After scouting for the Cardinals during the late 1980s through the mid-1990s, he joined the Phillies in 1996 as a bullpen coach, working on the staff of manager Jim Fregosi. He spent 1997 in the same role under new skipper Terry Francona but in 1998 he returned to the Redbirds as a minor-league coach. In he was listed as a member of the Cardinals' professional scouting staff, based in Parsippany, New Jersey.
