Tuhia he whiti kōrero poto i runga i te kaupapa e whai ake nei:  Ka matapakihia e PersonX me PersonY tētahi kaupapa
Ae ra, anei he rarangi poto: I kōrerorero a Carlyle rāua ko Ivon i tētahi kaupapa e hiahia ana a Carlyle ki te ako atu. I whakamārama a Ivon he rangahau rangahau te kaupapa mō ngā pānga o te ahotea ki te hauora. I hiahia a Carlyle ki te ako atu e pā ana ki te kaupapa, nā reira i kōrero atu a Ivon ki a ia.