Tuhia he whiti kōrero poto i runga i te kaupapa e whai ake nei:  Ka whawhai te TangataX ki te TangataY
Ae ra, anei he rarangi poto: I tautohetohe a Kolbe rāua ko Heber nā te mea i hiahia a Kolbe ki te whakahaere i te āhuatanga. Kaore a Heber i hiahia ki te whakarere i te mana, no reira ka whawhai a Kolbe ki a ia.