Tuhia he whiti kōrero poto i runga i te kaupapa e whai ake nei:  Ka whakahuatia e te tangata X te kaupapa o te marenatanga o te tangata Y
Ae ra, anei he rarangi poto: Ka korerotia e te Tangata Y ki te Tangata X, kua roa rāua e pouri ana i roto i to rātau marenatanga, ā, e whakaaro ana rātau ki te whakarere. Ka whakarongo te tangata X, ka tuku tautoko, ka korero ki te tangata Y kei reira tonu ratou ki te korero ki te hiahiatia.