Tuhia he whiti kōrero poto i runga i te kaupapa e whai ake nei:  He tohunga nui a PersonX
Ae ra, anei he rarangi poto: He tohunga a Ledger ki te mara hokohoko. Kua karangatia a Ledger ki te kōrero i tētahi hui e pā ana ki ngā rautaki hokohoko.