Tuhia he tomokanga mō tēnei wāhanga - I muri i te matenga o te pāpā (1937) ka tīmata te wā uaua mō Enriko Josif me tōna whānau. I mua noa i te tīmatanga o te whakaeke i a Belgrade (1941)
, ka haere rātou ki Sarajevo, kātahi ka neke ki Itari, puta noa i Dubrovnik, Split me Korčula. I te mea kaore i whakatoia, i noho ratou ki Itari tae noa ki te 1943, i te wa i neke ai ratou ki Switzerland.