 At this stage, I can't see what is
gained by rolling the direct &amp; indirect objects up with the verb. Did you
get an intelligible version of the hierarchy I was proposing? I see
considerable advantage with keeping the "noun" parts, with their adjectives,
etc., separate from the "verb" parts with their adverbs, etc. 

&gt;agree on some core terms and syntax (in CE) for "exists" "forall" "and"
"or"... and then play with it a little.  My experience suggests that it is
really useful to play with some simple