lso don't agree with the notion
    that truth is an idealized limit.  I think we can experience aspects
    of truth directly.  Also with other values.  Nonetheless, I believe we
    can also be very, very wrong in any situation that involves judgement.
    Even in the ideal limit.

We seem to be using the root words &quot;limit&quot; and &quot;norm&quot;
at variance from each other -- surprise, surprise.

When I say that &quot;X is a normative science of the form of conduct Y whose object is Z&quot;,
I me