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HP = Howard Pattee
JA = Jon Awbrey
JC = John Collier

Modeling SIG,

I am going to pick up on the following exchange:

JC: It's a dumb system, but if math (or logic)
    is just a meaningless formalism, then I
    don't see a good rea