ar me now, and believe me later, as I think the line goes.
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&gt; JS: Standards groups start with a document and improve it.
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&gt; MW: No they don't, or at least not where I come from.
&gt;     For exmaple, in developing ISO18876 we spent 3 years
&gt;     making sure we understood what we were doing before we
&gt;     started developing the standard itself, in response
&gt;     to a requirement set that initiated the work.
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&gt; JS: It helps little to just criticize it.  You should help to imp