homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.227.215.139
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member
Home / Forums Index / Google / Google SEO News and Discussion
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: Robert Charlton & aakk9999 & brotherhood of lan & goodroi

Google SEO News and Discussion Forum

    
Italian Wikipedia temporarily gone
seoholic



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 11:00 am on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

"Dear reader,
at this time, the Italian language Wikipedia may be no longer able to continue providing the service that over the years was useful to you, and that you expected to have right now. As things stand, the page you want still exists and is only hidden, but the risk is that soon we will be forced to actually delete it."

Please discuss the politics somewhere else.

My point is, that this is a completely irrelevant search result and google.it still ranks wikipedia.it for high volume search terms e.g. "Berlusconi".

Does it even matter which content Wikipedia shows? Can we learn something from it? Is anybody watching the italian SERPs?

Your opinion?

 

Sgt_Kickaxe

WebmasterWorld Senior Member sgt_kickaxe us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 3:25 pm on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

Wikipedia.it traffic is down a good deal.

I don't watch the Italian serps but this sounds like a warning shot from Wikipedia to google. Google has a VERY real issue on their hands in which GOOD CONTENT may disappear from the internet as a DIRECT result of their incessant tinkering and extreme downgrading without an obvious cause. Perhaps 500+ changes a year isn't a sign of innovation but a sign that they got it wrong 499 times?

All I know is that it's not only Wikipedia considering either blocking Google or removing content in bulk. Will Google wake up in time?

[edited by: Sgt_Kickaxe at 3:27 pm (utc) on Oct 5, 2011]

rlange



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 3:27 pm on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

seoholic wrote:
My point is, that this is a completely irrelevant search result and google.it still ranks wikipedia.it for high volume search terms e.g. "Berlusconi".

Understandable. This all just happened today (or yesterday), apparently. [EDIT]: Wait... I don't think I understand what your complaint is. Is that specific message coming up for searches for "Berlusconi", or just the Italian Wikipedia site in general? [EDIT #2]: I see. They display it for all articles on the Italian Wikipedia. My original comment still applies, then. This only happened recently.

Sgt_Kickaxe wrote:
I don't watch the Italian serps but this sounds like a warning shot from Wikipedia to google.

Good lord, man. Google Derangement Syndrome. This has nothing to do with Google. The above is in response to legislation being debated in Italy. Here's the complete message: [it.wikipedia.org...]

--
Ryan

[edited by: rlange at 3:38 pm (utc) on Oct 5, 2011]

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 3:32 pm on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

Ok, my Italian is not as good as it used to be:

[it.wikipedia.org...]

rischiano di essere fortemente compromessi dal comma 29 del cosiddetto DDL intercettazioni.


I'll re-read this however this is an Italian Parliament legal thing...let me get my grey cells around it.

Leosghost

WebmasterWorld Senior Member leosghost us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 3:33 pm on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

Sgt ..I suggest you try the berlusconi search and read the English translation of the page presented ..nothing to do with google ..nor traffic numbers..every thing to do with berlusconi and his wish to silence critics

English translation
[it.wikipedia.org...]

just realised Ryan already posted it ( sorry R ;-) ..couldn't tell from the link that shows here..

Having spent 10 minutes testing ..all searches on Italian wikipedia are being redirected today to this page..

Google and any other search engine cannot be expected to "adjust" it's SERPS to allow for such an occurence ..and is IMO acting in everyones interest if by leaving serps pointing to Italian wikipedia this brings berlusconi's attempted censorship to light.

[edited by: Leosghost at 3:48 pm (utc) on Oct 5, 2011]

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 3:43 pm on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

Doh...just noticed there is a translation! Me? I'm just not up to speed:-)

HuskyPup



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 3:46 pm on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

This is the important paragraph to which they are referring:

This proposal, which the Italian Parliament is currently debating, provides, among other things, a requirement to all websites to publish, within 48 hours of the request and without any comment, a correction of any content that the applicant deems detrimental to his/her image.

Unfortunately, the law does not require an evaluation of the claim by an impartial third judge - the opinion of the person allegedly injured is all that is required, in order to impose such correction to any website.

rlange



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 4:07 pm on Oct 5, 2011 (gmt 0)

I wrote:
Understandable. This all just happened today (or yesterday), apparently.

Actually, this could be an "issue" for as long as the notice is in place. They seem to be using JavaScript to redirect to the notice. The actual content is still there, but hidden using CSS (display: none). If Google ignores the JavaScript-triggered redirect I suspect the Italian Wikipedia pages will eventually fall. If Google, for some reason, actually indexes the hidden content, then maybe not...

But the point is, it's probably too soon to be complaining about the redirected page being an irrelevant result and blaming Google.

--
Ryan

Alex_TJ

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4370988 posted 11:27 pm on Oct 21, 2011 (gmt 0)

We don't compete with Wikipedia in the Italian serps, but now that things are back to normal has anyone seen any detrimental effects or otherwise with regards to Wikipedia's ranking in g.it?
It would be interesting to see if the traffic changes or on-page changes lead to any ranking changes.

Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Google / Google SEO News and Discussion
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved
http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4370988.htm
www.webmasterworld.com
crawl=CC-MAIN-2014-52
26765
application/http; msgtype=response
sha1:EJCDNYEGEHAUXNCXVFTEIDQP3A43ARAV
<urn:uuid:9f561a00-1c14-41f9-990b-f0f08e628794>
2014-12-23T01:39:30Z
209.59.188.141
sha1:UYDEXV7772YJEQBWIZANKLCQ5PZHZ6OZ
<urn:uuid:7790608a-7bfd-41e4-b2c5-54a95786b85d>
http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4370988.htm
response
<urn:uuid:dac5b4cd-9074-4840-ab52-b72d1fcce43e>
robots: classic
hostname: ip-10-231-17-201.ec2.internal
software: Nutch 1.6 (CC)/CC WarcExport 1.0
isPartOf: CC-MAIN-2014-52
operator: CommonCrawl Admin
description: Wide crawl of the web with URLs provided by Blekko for December 2014
publisher: CommonCrawl
format: WARC File Format 1.0
conformsTo: http://bibnum.bnf.fr/WARC/WARC_ISO_28500_version1_latestdraft.pdf