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Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 06:30:15


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Join the OT Watch! Our mission:
  • Upvote every non-spam thread
  • Oppose Tabby's attempts to destroy freedom of speech
  • Prevent thread hijacking by Tabby and Karl
  • Remedy the harm caused by the Felidae Downvoting Army (FDA)


Edited 9/15/2016 06:30:30
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 06:38:42


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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EDIT: (Comment Removed)

Edited 9/15/2016 06:39:04
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 06:39:58


Bane 
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I think there's quite a few that already do that :)
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 06:47:36


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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They can join then, and make it organised.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 07:05:52


Gen. NumbNuts
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Mhm, mhm. Tell me about group benefits. What is the political standing of the OT Watch? You got me snagged here but you need to reel me in.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 07:20:30


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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The OT Watch's principles are based on the principles of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch. We have no political standing, because politicians are fools - except for Vetinari of course, but he is not on WL.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 07:28:27


Gen. NumbNuts
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Mhm, mhm, mhm. Well Mr.Vimes I have to say I'm not really sold on the idea of a OT Watch. Although you have given an example of what the OT Watch is modeled off of, I can't really say I know what we stand for. For starters I've never read the book series of which the Ankh-Morpork City Watch originates from. Furthermore you avoided my question in regards to benifits for group members. I'm going to need more information before I commit to this cause.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 07:34:26


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Benefits for group members? Warm fuzzy feelings.

It's 'Commander Vimes' to you.

Edited 9/15/2016 07:35:04
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 07:44:03


Gen. NumbNuts
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Mhm, mhm. What about travelers comp? Is there any health benefits besides warm fuzzy feelings? Will my dental be covered by the OT Watch?
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 07:45:27


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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There is the widows and orphans fund, but that is it.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 07:57:06


Gen. NumbNuts
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Well Mr. Vimes....Gonna have to say no to this one. This opportunity doesn't provide financial stability for me or my family of 3. What if I'm injured on the job? Who will provide for my family while I'm paying my own medical bills? Medical bills or insurance aren't cheap here in America.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 08:42:33


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Igor can fix up all of your medical issues.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 08:58:12


Gen. NumbNuts
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I don't know how I feel about the man who helped make a monster. Sorry Mr.Vime but it's still a no.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 09:09:18


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Helped make a monster? I don't want anti-Uberwald prejudice in the Watch.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 11:32:26


Палач из Империй
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Ill join
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 13:05:26

Lukku
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I agree that tabby has gone too far. But we don't need an organisation to stop obvious BS.

:P
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 13:35:39


Major General Smedley Butler
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Do I have toooo?
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 14:00:05


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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I don't care about fascism. All I care about is that people are able to make threads without fear of them being hidden for no reason other than Tabby doesn't agree with them.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 14:05:15


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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I'm willing to back down.:-)

Really? Is that why there is now 44 hidden threads in OT?
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 17:41:24

wct
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I support the goals stated in the OP. Unfortunately, I won't be monitoring the forums, I'm just back briefly for a short visit to see how WL is doing (and waiting for my last game to start).

I'll repost a recommendation I made in another wrongly buried thread, https://www.warlight.net/Forum/184394-downvoters-want-ban-discussions-warlight:

I've seen so many hidden threads in warlight since the new update has been implemented. What do you think of the people that downvote threads which are based on politics, race and other subjects?


I just spent a chunk of time going through some of the hidden threads, finding ones that have been wrongfully downvoted, and upvoting them. E.g. I just upvoted this thread and downvoted Speng's and a couple other flamey comments. The topic of the thread itself is legit, even if you don't like the OP poster or some of the comments/commenters below it.

Here's a few tips for people who really want to help the forums and avoid pointless voting wars:

- Only downvote a thread if the OP itself is junk. If you're just sick of trolling and flaming in the comments then downvote the trolling and flaming comments, not the whole thread.

- If you downvote whole threads just because of some annoying bickering in the comments, you'll end up fostering a vote-war culture in the forums.

- Take the time to make your downvotes *accurate*. This way, you'll foster a culture where people put more thought into their comments, and the overall quality of the forums will improve. Invest in this strategy *now*, and you'll have a lot less downvoting to do in the future.



Tabby, just for the record, I've been downvoting all your comments that call for banning, suppressing, or deleting political/controversial speech. I really think you should re-think your stance on how to address the *real* problem of political extremism. You are resorting to the authoritarian measure of attempting to silence speech you don't agree with. That is one of the worst reactions possible.

The way to fight bad ideas is with good ideas. The way to fight speech you don't like is with *more* speech, not the suppression of speech. (There are a few exceptions to this, such as defamation, etc., but political/controversial speech does not fall under these exceptions.) In other words, use your speech to counter others' BS; don't try to shut them up.

You may want to explore other options than just logical argumentation. For example, I would recommend trying to respond with satire and humour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire. It's one of the best ways to critique truly terrible ideas. Show the public the absurdity of what you call 'Nazism' (which is an inaccurate label, btw).

PS: Am I being a hypocrite by downvoting your comments? No. Because I am not trying to suppress your ability to speak, I'm only using downvoting as a mechanism to improve the quality of the forums, as Fizzer intended. I believe that, if your efforts were to continue and grow 'successful', it would drastically reduce the quality of the forums. You can express and explore the idea of censorship without outright advocating that it be implemented.

Your efforts to censor others is currently promoting -- and will only result in -- a culture and atmosphere of voting wars. And if Fizzer were to acquiesce to your demands (I severely doubt he would, frankly), the forums would degenerate quickly and end up an authoritarian wasteland of ideas. I've personally witnessed this happen on several occasions over the years.

Edited 9/15/2016 17:43:41
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 19:18:50


Fan the Apostle
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I join, but don't call me an Apostate
Join the OT Watch!: 9/15/2016 19:39:03


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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We accept those who do not follow the teachings of the great prophets of bat and ball, Fan the Apostat- sorry, Fan the Apostle.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 03:24:22


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Current member list:
Commander Vimes
Палач из Империй
Fan the Apostle
wct (maybe)
First mission: Upvote every non-spam thread.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 06:12:39

wct
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You can just call me an honorary member. I seriously won't be on the forums for long. But while I'm here, I have been going through the hidden threads and uv'ing. It's a bit frustrating, though, as many of the threads that managed to get resurrected were just dv'd again.

I think it might be worth your while to write down some tips-n-tricks for people so more people will know the best/quickest ways to tackle the problem. Also, a kind of 'strategy guide' for how to determine if a post is actually non-spam or non-troll.

For example, Fissel makes many threads with seemingly innocuous questions. If they were just one-off threads, I wouldn't call them spam, but since it's the same person just posting inane questions over and over again, I think there's a good case to be made that in order to curtail the spammer him/herself, you will probably need to treat seemingly-innocuous posts by said spammer as spam, until the spammer stops spamming them.

Having this kind of strategy collected together in some document (or a post, possibly) would help to keep everyone playing the same strategy together, making this project more effective.

You might want to think of making this into a clan, just to be able to post about it and collect info/strategies into posts without polluting the general forums. If you can't afford it yourself (I think it's only like $15 or something), you might ask a member to sponsor it. Unfortunately, I'm not able to sponsor it myself, though. Also, I'm good for brainstorming like in this comment, but I won't be able to put these kinds of documents/posts together myself. These are just my brainstorming suggestions for your consideration. (BTW: You can allow people to join a clan with alts in case their main account already has a clan associated to it.)

Edited 9/17/2016 06:18:06
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 06:54:25


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Thank you for the suggestions. However, I do not want to commit this to a clan right now. If the problem continues, I will incorporate it into another one of my plans: a Discworld clan. I would only do this if I found enough Discworld fans, and if I got round to making a decent Discworld map.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 09:31:41


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Our mission is to upvote every nonspam thread. However, there is one thread which I believe is more urgent than others, and it is https://www.warlight.net/Forum/185308-received-vulgar-ad
Whoever downvoted this thread, shame on you! I literally can't see any reason why anyone would think it is bad.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 09:33:08


Jamal
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''Join the leftwing deathsquad''
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 09:46:23


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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''Join the leftwing deathsquad''

We are not left wing. We simply do not like good threads being hidden. I, personally, am capitalist, but the Watch is not about me.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 09:56:20


Jamal
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''am capitalist''

That doesn't exclude you from being a leftist.
Join the OT Watch!: 9/17/2016 09:58:20


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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''am capitalist''

That doesn't exclude you from being a leftist.

What brand of paint thinners are you high on?
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