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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2013, 03:45:52 PM »

I can understand some of the confusion in this case. The author is an excellent writer that has written a piece of biblically based historical fiction. While the author has worked hard to market the book to "publishers" he decided to put his trust in a higher power and self-published. I simply think this is a case of the venues not sure how to handle self-publishing. Personally, I would error on the side of supporting a fine local writer but then, I'm not in charge. In discussions with the author I think the difficulty has more to do with self-publishing than to do with religious discrimination.

Donnie - While the book was self-published it was done extremely well. I agree with you point though.
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 03:48:55 PM »

Those are NOT the only two choices. Many totally legitimate sources might print a scholarly work, that are not considered standard publishers. I would prefer a scholarly work or even a work approved by a legitimate source for my belief system, even if not exactly concurrent, than one that only prints what they think will make them the most money. I have no interest in buying porn, etc....
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2013, 04:11:38 PM »

I have no idea what you just said Chrhsndbro - if you don't have me blocked could you please clarify.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2013, 05:33:40 PM »


As someone who works in a bookstore, I will tell you book signings can be tricky. The first issue is that it is really hard to predict how many copies will sell, so typically we only order books if we know the publisher will take returns for full credit on leftovers. Then there is placing and receiving the book orders, packing and shipping back the overstock, and marketing and advertising, all which involve spending payroll, tying up cash flow in inventory, and paying for shipping, often both ways. Sometimes you also need extra staff on hand during the reading. All this is more work and expense than people often realize.  So while I'm still not clear on why this particular bookstore declined to hold a reading, I can understand their hesitation if the book is self-published or not being promoted by the publisher itself, (most presses have their marketing people contact the bookstore, not the author himself), because those readings typically don't bring in much of an audience, which means a lot of work for nothing. We love to support our local authors, but we also have to look at these things from a business standpoint.

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As someone who works in a bookstore, I will tell you book signings can be tricky. The first issue is that it is really hard to predict how many copies will sell, so typically we only order books if we know the publisher will take returns for full credit on leftovers. Then there is placing and receiving the book orders, packing and shipping back the overstock, and marketing and advertising, all which involve spending payroll, tying up cash flow in inventory, and paying for shipping, often both ways. Sometimes you also need extra staff on hand during the reading. All this is more work and expense than people often realize.  So while I'm still not clear on why this particular bookstore declined to hold a reading, I can understand their hesitation if the book is self-published or not being promoted by the publisher itself, (most presses have their marketing people contact the bookstore, not the author himself), because those readings typically don't bring in much of an audience, which means a lot of work for nothing. We love to support our local authors, but we also have to look at these things from a business standpoint.



Thanks for posting an experienced perspective - makes sense!

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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2013, 06:18:50 PM »

A store at Fearrington Village.

What happened to your concern regarding the library vs. selected bookstores?
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2013, 09:47:48 PM »

A store at Fearrington Village.

What happened to your concern regarding the library vs. selected bookstores?

Please rephrase, I cannot understand your question.

CCCoach obviously knows the author, I know he is trying to market the book everywhere he can, it is tough to do. He is working on a second book. '

Stephanie, thank you for the explanation.
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2013, 05:08:57 AM »

I have no idea what you just said Chrhsndbro - if you don't have me blocked could you please clarify.

I was trying to express that the term "vanity press" implies something that may not be true. There are many valuable works that would not be published by for profit publishers, that may be paid for by authors, colleges, churches, etc...., so disparaging someone for self-publishing is not reasonable in my opinion. 

And, just because it is profitable to publish something does not mean it gets my support either. 
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2013, 08:00:33 AM »

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"vanity press" implies something that may not be true. 

I couldn't agree more - The term "vanity press" came about when self publishing was just for the rich and unpublishable. These days there are a lot of great things that are self published. I don't anyone was disparaging for self-publishing but it does create some new difficulties in terms of marketing.

The author has a humorous story about marketing his book as "fiction" and a Christian book store said it wouldn't fit. He couldn't understand why and then visited the fiction section and realized it was mostly Christian romance novels. He quickly realized he was "historical fiction...."

I don't mean any of this to be contrary. It's just that marketing in general is difficult for all artists and I think the author is running into the barriers that many artists do for various reasons. To his credit though he is far more tenacious than many I know and it serves him well. Not just in his writing but also in other projects he his involved with. He is truly a Chatham County asset that should be supported. 

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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2013, 08:31:50 PM »

I think you need to see the book (well the website) http://www.bruecketoheaven.com/
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2013, 09:38:13 PM »

Thanks for the link Silk Hope - An publicity he receives is well deserved.
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2013, 09:00:03 PM »

Ok, now where is the actual evidence for the original claim of discrimination? That is a pretty heavy charge to level at a local business, especially when it can be shown that the store in question does, in fact, already carry many Christian books and authors. I can post some pictures of the section if anyone is in doubt. I think the author has a responsibility to clarify what actually took place. So perhaps it was all a misunderstanding, or whatever you want to call it, but since the evidence can be shown that the claim of them not carrying Christian authors is completely and totally without a doubt false, the other claim should be dismissed. It is only fair.

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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2013, 12:03:42 PM »

Ok, let's try this again - there was a claim made here, which now does not seem to be backed up by the known facts.

If you are going to take the time to post such a thread, at least have the courtesy to present some facts or apologize.

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2013, 12:12:22 PM »

If my information was not correct than I am issuing an apology.

See I am man enough to admit I was mistaken. Are you man enough to admit mistakes? You think you are better than everybody else yet try to rub things in people faces when they are wrong.

Buy and read the book.
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2013, 02:38:43 PM »

Yippie,

What ever in the world is the deal, man? Silk Hope disclosed information that can easily be inferred he got from another source than his personal experience with the matter. Further, and more importantly, he didn't specifically incriminate the local business until you dragged it out of him. It doesn't make sense that you should be so critical of him, particularly if you are the one responsible for subsequently bringing forth the incriminating evidence. For goodness sakes, so what if he made a mistake, it isn't as vital as you make it out to be, unless of course, you have other agendas to tend to! You, of all people, should realize we all make mistakes, if in fact, this is what happened in Silk Hope's instance. Ease up a little, please.
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