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BG music[edit]

The music you used for AW, is incompatible for Wikinews usage. We are technically commercial and the Commons do not accept any CC-xx-NC licenses. I'm sorry that I'll will have to nominate the file for deletion at the Commons. The license is at [1]. Maybe you can find a free use some free(er) music. --Mikemoral♪♫ 01:47, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I didn't realize we were commercial. I'll find something else. Thanks for the heads up. Turtlestack (talk) 02:13, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
My understanding is its not so much we are commercial as that there are idealogical issues (yay! free culture... everyone loves a good zealot). Basically you can't use any cc files that have nc or nd in the license name. If you're not sure, look at the license page. Licenses we can use, like for example http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ have a "Approved for free culture works" sticker on them. Also any audio file on this website is fine to use. Bawolff 18:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

message from talk page[edit]

>First of all, when I go to the news brief takes up the entire top of the page and everything else that is linked to that date is at the bottom (this is an issue for all dates starting on April 15)

I'm not sure if i know what you're referring to, but If you mean the category:April 18, 2010 pages have the briefs on them, thats ok - they're supposed to. The reason why older ones didn't is we stopped doing them for a while. However pages from a long time ago also have them - Category:April 20, 2006.

>..one is News briefs:April 19, 2010 and the other is News briefs:April, 19 2010...

Yeah, i made News briefs:April 19, 2010 into a redirect. Don't worry about it. Just in future make the files with the comma after the day, not the month. (btw if you do want to rename a page, there is a rename button from the drop down menu beside view history in the upper right. but don't worry about it for that page)

>If you have a few moments, if you could look at what I'm doing wrong then I'll fix it all up, but I'm just so confused now I don;t even know where to begin

Don't worry, You're doing fine. Trust me, if you screw something up very badly, we will notice and fix it ;). I'll fix up some minor things on Wikinews:Audio Wikinews/Releases/News Briefs/Archive, but overall, I actually don't think there is much here that needs fixing. If you're still confused let me know (You can also try on the chat channel - WN:IRC usually someone is on there). Cheers. Bawolff 18:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
p.s. before i forget, One other minor thing, on the news briefs page - at the bottom there is a part for categorization. You had it like:
[[Category:Wikinews audio]]
<noinclude>
[[Category:Audio Wikinews News Briefs]] 
[[Category:Brief]] 
[[Category:April 15, 2010]]
</noinclude>

It should be like:

<noinclude>
[[Category:Wikinews audio]]
[[Category:Audio Wikinews News Briefs]] 
[[Category:Brief]] 
[[Category:April 15, 2010]]
</noinclude>

Bawolff 18:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


Sorry, one other thing - when uploading audio file to commons, use the category [[category:Audio Wikinews News Briefs]] not [[category:Audio Wikinews News Brief]]. (This is just because the rss feed only recognizes it with the Briefs being plural). Bawolff 19:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

AW[edit]

I'm gonna go ahead and work on the news script for today. That's about all I have time to do today. I'm assuming the page is News brief: April 26, 2010. --Mikemoral♪♫ 16:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Yep, that's the page. Thanks for signing up, by the way! Lemme know if the workspace page descriptions are confusing and if they need work. I kinda just brainstormed everything but looking at it now, it seems like a lot of info. Turtlestack (talk) 17:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I just skimmed through, but all seems fine. --Mikemoral♪♫ 17:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work![edit]

I award Turtlestack the Audio Barnstar for all of the time and effort he has put in to revive the Audio Wikinews project!

Hi Turtlestack. I just wanted to let you know that your work with Audio Wikinews is very much appreciated. I therefore have chosen to give you a barnstar! :D Benny the mascot (talk) 19:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Just for the record, I fully second this barnstar. Great work. Smile.png Tempodivalse [talk] 19:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Turtlestack (talk) 20:26, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: News brief clean-up[edit]

Not a problem - glad you like it! --Thunderhead (t - e - c) 18:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Audio news[edit]

It's great to see new life in Audio WN. James Pain and I were going to set up a system whereby I wrote the briefs and he read them after the new year, but as you just might have noticed that never happened. I'll need to listen to some of the new material to learn exactly what's what under your system, but I'm willing to fill the role of Brief Writer - though I should warn you that fluctuating real world issues mean that I may be unable to do the work without notice on some occasions. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 18:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I contacted James a while back but when he never replied I just decided to re-launch it myself. I've rebuilt a lot of the infrastructure to make doing these easier and to spread out the responsibilities so that no one person feels like they need to do everything. Hopefully, in time, more people will want to take part. It would be great if you want to write briefs whenever you can. Don't worry if you can't do them all the time, just jump in whenever you want to and do as many or as few as you are comfortable doing. I have a Wikinews:Audio Wikinews/Workspace page set up for scheduling and on the discussion tab is where all the discussion takes place when making the show. Really, all that is needed is to sign up on the schedule and then as stories are posted on the discussion tab, just add "working" and your time stamp under the story. Once you have the brief written, just post the text under that. Thank you for your interest and I really look forward to having you on board! Turtlestack (talk) 19:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Congrats![edit]

Great job on Audio Wikinews! Keep it up! :-D Although you mispronounced Pichilemu :-P --Diego Grez return fire 00:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Uh-oh :( Sorry about that. How is it pronounced? --User:Turtlestack
I don't think it's too important :-P But IPA says [pitʃiˈlemu]. --Diego Grez return fire 23:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
So phonetically it would sound like pit-sh-lemu with a hard stop after pit followed by a hard sh sound? Turtlestack (talk) 23:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. --Diego Grez return fire 23:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm practicing right now :)

:) Hey. Chiguayante is pronounced "chee-wa-e-an-te" :P --Diego Grez return fire 23:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

And... why don't you ask for reviewer? That would really help you and to us :) Wikinews:Flagged revisions/Requests for permissions. Cheers. --Diego Grez return fire 23:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I've thought about being more active on wikinews, but I'm kind of nervous about over extending myself. The show takes up a fair amount of my time and I'm not sure I'd be all that useful in reviewing articles since I usually only look at them after they are published (though I do poke around the newsroom a little bit to see what's coming up). However, I will think about it and I appreciate you asking me. I would like to get more involved here in some capacity, I'm just not sure what the best way to do that is right now. Turtlestack (talk) 02:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't even see this thread up here, sorry for repeating down below. I should note though that reviewer is a technical thing, you don't neccesarily have to review stuff if you're a reviewer (as a volunteer project you don't have to do anything you don't want to, and you already do more than many others). Having reviewer rights though would allow you to make edits to flagged pages without having to wait for someone else to ok them. Bawolff
No problem. I'm still learning my way around how the wiki culture works, that's why I try to keep a low profile as I learn the ropes and do the show. I suppose I've been a bit cautious about coming in and stepping on anyone's toes, per se, but looking at the audio stuff, I have contributed quite a bit so I'd be happy to get a bit more involved. Maybe soon I'll even try to write an article :) Turtlestack (talk) 02:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Code shamelessly stolen from Mikemoral[edit]

[2] ... who stole it from me, I from Juliancolton, and Juliancolton from someone at Wikipedia. Smile.png Nice user page. Tempodivalse [talk] 18:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I stole it from Tempodivalse's :-P --Diego Grez return fire 18:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
LOL - well, I still wanted to make sure credit was given where it's due ... though I had no idea it had such a grand and complicated lineage :)

C.O.N.G.R.A.T.U.L.A.T.I.O.N.S.[edit]

Hello, you may know me as the previous main contributor of Audio Wikinews. I've been away for a few months getting work sorted out (I'm now working for myself, yey). I remember getting your email not too long ago, I wrote a draft reply and never sent it so apologies for that.

I do have to say, well done. The moment I saw the Audio Wikinews link on the front page, I perked up and instantly clicked on it with high hopes. I was not disappointed.

I love the effort you've put into each Brief and you've actually made a schedule in Audio Wikinews/Workspace. Also the fact you've posted your doings in talk pages is fantastic, yet to read it all though.

Anyway, just wanted to congratulate you. I appreciate all who contribute to Wikinews, especially Audio Wikinews because it's like my god son that I've worked so hard on.

I'm back from my real life stuff and active on Wikinews again. Hopefully we can work together. --James Pain (talk) 03:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I'm glad you like the show, thank you. No worries about the email, when I didn't hear back I just assumed you were on to other projects so I just decided to jump in and reinvigorate the show. I have tried to keep as much of the same format as you had set up but with a few tweaks of my own and I'd love to work with you on this project in whatever capacity you are comfortable with / have time for. Turtlestack (talk) 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Awesome stuff. I do like the way you've turned it into a mini show with the 'on this day' segment and a song at the end. A few things I do have to mention though. I've been looking through your talk page posts, which are very helpful, and you are going through everything I have.
The problem with having a iTunes podcast is that iTunes only takes a format that commons will not allow us to upload so we would need our own hosting outside of the wiki for that to work.
Exactly. It's too bad there isn't a decent alternative for free hosting, but I haven't followed up with an iTunes podcast since I first mentioned it. Maybe someday ... but not now.
The time it takes to build the recordings is quite long, especially with those darn foreign names, that's just a plain fact. Without more people, it'll stay that way. The disadvantage of a one man show (as if there was an advantage) is that if they're away, everything stops.
It can seem like a very thankless and disposable job because you're devoting an hour every day to something that would only be of interest for 24 hours until it's time to do another one. The reason I liked doing recorded articles more than briefs is because it promoted wikinews articles well, made them more popular and accessible. It befitted wikinews as a whole and people really appreciated it. It also gave me a good chance to proof read and fix any typo's or errors.
That's a good point, but for me the briefs are more fun since I enjoy the production side of making a show. True, it only lasts 24 hours, but then it's on to something new.
A good way I got round foreign names is to let a computer voice pronounce it for me and I just copy that. Failing that, I watch the 24 hour news channel and wait for them to say it :P
I've been using it extensively, however, I fudge some names now and then or just edit the brief to omit names that are not necessary to the story. Some articles will list off every proper noun the author can get their hands on and so I just trim them back out :)
I have kicked myself a few times when I've just posted a brief and a ton more stories come out. What I used to do it set a cut off time of 23:00 UTC and warn everyone in IRC so everyone can get their stories in and ready for the brief.
This is why I have the schedule page with the UTC cut-off time printed in bold. Often, I'll go past the cut-off, but that just depends on the time I have for me. Some days, I am very strict about the UTC cut off and will just do the newer stories the next day.
The Wikinews audio name space is a complete mess, no doubt about it. It took me about 6 months to get to know every nook and cranny about it. I was going through a revamp in December but I have to jump out of that thanks to real life stuff. I still have some work in progress in my user space. I may be continuing that.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'll talk more later. Get on IRC if you can. --James Pain (talk) 17:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Editorship[edit]

Do you mind if i nominate you for editorship/reviewership/whatever the permission is currently called. This allows you to flag revisions. You don't do very much involving articles, but you do edit template:MainPageMediaMenu. This would allow you to edit it without waiting for your edits to be approved. Do you accept the nomination? Bawolff 02:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the nomination. I was just replying to Diego Grez who was asking me if I'd like to be a reviewer and I was letting him know that while I would like to be more involved at wikinews, I'm cautious about over extending myself with added responsibilities. The show takes up a fair amount of my time and I'd hate to accept a responsibility that I may not utilize as much as I might be expected to. Still though, since I'd only be editing that 1 page, I think I can handle the "pressure" lol. I accept the nomination. Thank you very much. Turtlestack (talk) 02:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Glad to hear. Bawolff 02:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer flag granted[edit]

Reviewer Promotion[edit]

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