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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Anisovaya » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:14 am

tinalt wrote:I absolutely need to recommend The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson for any high fantasy fans. It's a great read, the biggest problem I have with it is that it's Sandersons entry into long series fantasy, so I'll be forced to deal with waiting for each new book for the next decade or two.



DEFINITELY recommend reading The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson !!!!!! It truly was an excellent read and the way Sanderson develops the characters into individuals that you care about and are intrigued by is what makes the book such a great read. I too was disappointed that it will be a long wait until the second book in this series comes out. Sanderson was the author that was brought in to finish Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series so that was what got me started on reading The Wheel of Time books. I have to say that while I do find that they initially seemed like a similar version of the characters in the LOTR (can we say bumbling Merry & Pippin who constantly get themselves and everyone else in trouble??!! ugh), I have enjoyed them so far.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Paxen » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:19 am

A note about the Way of Kings: it's very different from other Sanderson fare. Those are mostly pretty short (for fantasy books...) and contain a lot of action and events. The Way of Kings is...slower, in a way. More like the Wheel of Time (but better).
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Ironshield » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:52 am

My wife recently stumbled upon a real gem of a series, and we've both blown through all 6 books and are worried about what we're going to do waiting for any future books.

Temeraire - by Naomi Novik. Basically an alternate history where dragons are just part of the world. Set during the Napoleonic wars. Very well done and thought through.

Don't want to get into the whole competing tech discussion any more than to wholeheartedly endorse my Kindle - LOVE IT, as does the missus, especially as she's currently breast feeding so having a light book with which you can do everything with one hand is a God send.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby benebarba » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:43 am

Ironshield wrote:My wife recently stumbled upon a real gem of a series, and we've both blown through all 6 books and are worried about what we're going to do waiting for any future books.

Temeraire - by Naomi Novik. Basically an alternate history where dragons are just part of the world. Set during the Napoleonic wars. Very well done and thought through.


Yep. A great 'historical fantasy' series.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:06 pm

Skye1013 wrote:Wish there was a way to (legally) transfer all of my current paper copies onto my nook without having to repurchase them all. Would allow me to save a TON of shelf space and probably knock out at least 100 lbs of shipping weight...

Not sure how the copyright for books works, but if you own a piece of music (CD, record, tape), you can make copies of it for personal use, and even obtain copies of superior quality for personal use.

If books are similar, then if you have the paper, you should legally be allowed to download and enjoy the electronic version and copies thereof for personal use.

At least that's the way I look at it - we have thousands of books around the house - buying electronic copies of all of them would be horrendously expensive. I don't mind downloading books that I already own.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Paxen » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:31 am

Koatanga wrote:then if you have the paper, you should legally be allowed to download and enjoy the electronic version and copies thereof for personal use.

At least that's the way I look at it - we have thousands of books around the house - buying electronic copies of all of them would be horrendously expensive. I don't mind downloading books that I already own.


Two issues with that: Is downloading somebody else's copy legally the same as copying your own?

And if you torrent it, you will share it with somebody else, which is definetly illegal.

Morally however, I see no problems downloading books you already own.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Cogglamp » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:35 am

Due to copious amounts of time sitting in airports, trains, and commuter rails, I was able to get through Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power.

Was a fantastic read. Anyone interested in political science studies would enjoy it.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Koatanga » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:23 pm

Paxen wrote:And if you torrent it, you will share it with somebody else, which is definetly illegal.

If anyone can get the whole thing from me in the time I torrent it, they'd be pretty lucky. I have a data-capped internet plan, so I am an extremely bad torrent sharer. I download, then remove the torrent. I may share 1% of what I downloaded, but that doesn't bother me - they would have got the 1% from the source I was downloading from anyway.

Until they get rid of this DRM garbage, my heart isn't going to bleed for publishers one bit.

I bought a book from Amazon that my wife wanted. She has a Kindle Touch, but has never eneabled the wifi on it because she likes not having the adverts on it. So everything gets downloaded from her PC. Well, it turns out there really isn't a way to get the book on her Touch without hooking her up to the net and putting adverts on her idle screen. So I downloaded a pirated copy of the book and put it on her kindle. Doesn't bother me, because I bought the electronic book. But the whole thing was an exercise in frustration that illustrated quite clearly to me how much DRM sucks.

We're buyers. We like to support people who produce what we like. We buy books, music, and movies. But when it's made too hard for us to go through legal channels, we will go elsewhere.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:10 pm

Otoh, the whole reason I'd be downloading the books would be to get rid of the hard copy... at that point I'd no longer own the hard copy, putting me into a gray area.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:05 pm

Skye1013 wrote:Otoh, the whole reason I'd be downloading the books would be to get rid of the hard copy... at that point I'd no longer own the hard copy, putting me into a gray area.

That's not gray, it's fine. Otherwise the concept of having a backup would be utterly useless.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Koatanga » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:51 pm

Fridmarr wrote:That's not gray, it's fine. Otherwise the concept of having a backup would be utterly useless.


Actually, I think it depends on the displosal method of the original books. If the books are sold, then the right to own the work is sold along with it, so keeping the electronic copies would not be legal. I believe even donating the books would constitute a transfer of rights to hold copies of them.

If they were destroyed, then I believe it would be legal, since the right to have a copy of the book never transferred. However, it would also be nearly impossible to prove you once owned the destroyed book and didn't in fact sell it.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:39 pm

Koatanga wrote:Actually, I think it depends on the displosal method of the original books. If the books are sold, then the right to own the work is sold along with it, so keeping the electronic copies would not be legal. I believe even donating the books would constitute a transfer of rights to hold copies of them.
Yes, obviously selling the book would transfer your right to the copy as well.

Koatanga wrote:If they were destroyed, then I believe it would be legal, since the right to have a copy of the book never transferred. However, it would also be nearly impossible to prove you once owned the destroyed book and didn't in fact sell it.

Right, but that's the rub in this whole thing, even when you have a paper copy in hand. There's no reason why a publisher needs to provide anyone access to digital copy of something that they have on paper (after all you have always been able to copy paper text manually) anyhow, so it's kind of moot.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Koatanga » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:07 pm

Fridmarr wrote:Right, but that's the rub in this whole thing, even when you have a paper copy in hand. There's no reason why a publisher needs to provide anyone access to digital copy of something that they have on paper (after all you have always been able to copy paper text manually) anyhow, so it's kind of moot.

The publisher is under no obligation to provide them, but they are readily available online through torrent sites and other places. I am of the opinion it would/should be legal to possess the electronic copies if you own the paper, regardless of where you obtain the electronic copies.

It's the legality of possessing the electronic copies once the original paper is disposed of that is in question, as I believe Skye would actually like to recover some bookshelf space.

That's where I have the problem, because the only legal way to dispose of the books while maintaining a legal right to the electronic version would be to destroy the books, which is a something I am vehemently against.

I suppose I will have to get over that, as the future of books has got to be in the digital medium, but I don't forsee a day in which I will throw away or destroy any of the thousands of books I have. They'll probably live in boxes at some point.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Arnock » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:23 pm

I used to be of a similar mindset, until I got a job at a public library. Throwing away dozens or even hundreds of books on a daily basis help one get over any aversions to throwing books away.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:58 pm

I'd more than likely donate them (most likely option) or sell them, as I personally don't prefer to destroy books. Used to work in a bookstore that would allow us one "free" book every so often, but we'd have to rip the front cover off to get it... I never opted for this route, instead choosing to read them in the store or purchase them outright.

Regardless of how I disposed of them, I would no longer have proof of ownership. This, of course, all comes down to if anyone ever checked up on it or not, but in the event that it did happen, I'd have no way to prove it, unless I kept the receipts for every book I've ever purchased (which I haven't...)
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:41 pm

Whenever the school libraries would throw out books, I'd grab some -- they would normally put them in a shelf and it was labeled "free book". But district administrators changed the policy latter on the books, the libraries had to send the books to fixed assets first for disposal, and if you wanted a book, you basically had to go dumpster diving for them...

Before that, I managed to salvage several books on WW2, Theology, and compilation works of Borges, Poe and Lovecraft, oh... and And the Band played On, possibly one of the most depressing books ever.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:08 pm

I'm wouldn't think that you would have to prove ownership after the fact, but I'm not 100% sure.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:06 pm

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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Lieris » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:04 pm

I would love to hear from anyone who has moved their book collection and buying habits to Kindle. Any regrets, advice, stuff to watch out for, that sort of thing. You can't easily take your book collection with you if you move abroad, most paperbacks have next to no resell value and I hate the way the pages discolour with age so like with music, going digital seems really convenient. More importantly I think I would read a lot more.

I would as suggested previously in this topic just download my existing books instead of buying them again so my only start up cost would be for the Kindle itself.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:17 pm

A friend of mine has the kindle and she loves it, I use my work-issued ipad as my ebook reader (hey, free ipad, I aint gonna complain) but it took me a while to get used to it -- at first, I'd get easily tired from reading on it, now i'm used to it.

I'd say in the last 40 days, I've read about 10-12 books or so.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Koatanga » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:07 pm

We have 3 kindles in the house: Original, Touch, and Fire. My daighter has the original that was passed down from my wife when she got her Touch. I have the Fire.

My wife loves her Touch and uses it all the time. I love my Fire and use it all the time. She thinks the Touch is nice to read, while I like the convenience of being able to read without a light on. I also like that my Fire can view the video content I stream on my network, and that I can play android games on it.

Since becoming a Kindle family, my reading has gone WAY up. My reading time is at night mainly, before I go to sleep. Having a backlit device means I don't bother my wife when I read, I don't nod off and lose my place, I don't have a stack of books on my nightstand, and I feel free to read just a few pages and put it down if I am particularly tired.

The kindle is also convenient to toss into my laptop bag, so I can read when I am between clients.

I use the Calibre program (open source book manager) on my PC to organise my library. It can download metadata (series, reviews, synopsis, ratings, etc.) and store it with the books. It's also good for searching.

My only complaint is DRM-protected books when sharing them around the family. It's a pain, so we avoid them.

I like my Kindle enough to say I believe that printed books will go the way of vynil records in the not-so-distant future. It's a better experience for me than reading a real book. The ability to change font and size alone makes the Kindle superior to printed counterparts, particularly for those of us without perfect vision.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby benebarba » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:48 am

Klaudandus wrote:Whenever the school libraries would throw out books, I'd grab some -- they would normally put them in a shelf and it was labeled "free book". But district administrators changed the policy latter on the books, the libraries had to send the books to fixed assets first for disposal, and if you wanted a book, you basically had to go dumpster diving for them...

Before that, I managed to salvage several books on WW2, Theology, and compilation works of Borges, Poe and Lovecraft, oh... and And the Band played On, possibly one of the most depressing books ever.



apparently this occurs similarly in libraries and at least some bookstores: the publishers give them a break on stuff, but they need to prove it's not being 'given away' or sold by destroying it in an approved manner.

I have some friends who work in libraries who've also told me about how they periodically destroy donations because apparently they have restrictions on the ability to sell them and someone decided that setting up a box o books for free wasn't a good use of resources.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:39 pm

The very idea of destroying books makes me so angry...
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby Passionario » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:30 am

Recently discovered Matthew Swift series by Kate Griffin. Best urban fantasy I've read in a long while.
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Re: All About Books/Periodicals

Postby benebarba » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:29 am

Picked up Edgar Rice Burrough's Barsoom series after seeing John Carter. I splurged and paid .99 USD for an indexed version of the first seven books with illustrations that were made for the series back in 1915-1920 (IIRC).

Seriously enjoying the heck out of it. Apparently there are some decent free versions out there (yay public domain), but most of the ones I found were pretty much garbage (no index, bad formatting, missing pages, packing it with random pictures that they pulled from who-knows-where, etc). Though many of the pay ones weren't much better.
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