Hubber Quality Index - Do Empty Vessels Make the Most Noise?

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  1. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 9 years ago

    I've been spending too much time in the forums lately, and have noticed an amazing relationship between the number of posts made by a person, and the quality of their contributions to the forum.

    I therefore reveal my theory about "Hubber Quality Index (or HQI) to everyone.

    Here's my theory:
    1. 10 posts per day is the baseline.

    2. If a hubber has more than 10 posts per day, its more likely the hubber is an empty vessel, and just contributes noise on the forums.

    3. If a hubber has less than 10 posts per day, the more likely the hubber is a sensible person whose posts are valuable.

    4. The results gained by this method are 90% reliable.

    ====================

    Number of posts per week are easily calculated from the forum statistics for the hubber concerned. I've taken a month to be 30 days, and a year to be 365 days. (A week is 7 days, if you need that information as well)

    So - Go to it. Work out the HQI for some of the hubbers you think are worthwile members of the community, and those who you think are just empty vessels.
    Post your results here, and help prove or disprove my theory.

    Have fun,
    Eric G. smile

    (EDIT: post corrected, because originally I said 10 posts per week when it should have been 10 per day.)

    1. anjalichugh profile image74
      anjalichughposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Wow! You really took some time to draw those statistics. You may be right in your assessment. Speaking of the 'noise in the forums'....I'm reminded of an old saying.."Unripe knowledge speaks, ripe one listens'.  smile

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I've had a team of 4 working on it for weeks lol

        1. anjalichugh profile image74
          anjalichughposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Really ? No kidding ?

    2. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think you should blame it on the weed.

    3. Rochelle Frank profile image96
      Rochelle Frankposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      So the 90% reliability is just your opinion. Right?

      There are some people who mostly comment in forums to give "worthwhile" advice and promote other people-- and some who mostly come in to enjoy the silly games. Both are fine.

      Now, this is just what we need: A quantitative system to judge the worthiness of others, by average number of their forum postings. smile

      Empty vessels  can be useful. They are ready to be filled.
      Drums (empty vessels) make a lot of noise, too. They add to the rhythm  and mood of the overall composition.

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Absolutely.


        Yep. It makes all those boring old traditional measures like quality of content, personality, entertainment value, etc. totally obsolete.



        Totally agree. I play Taiko, and use some huge drums. Which sound great.

        regards,
        Eric G.

  2. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 9 years ago

    We seem to go through phases when people post question after question after question in the Hubber's Hangout. Then it dies off again until someone else discovers the forums for the first time...

  3. enderw1ggins profile image57
    enderw1gginsposted 9 years ago

    Repented sinner right here!

  4. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 9 years ago

    Shhh...that is supposed to be top secret!

  5. Lady_E profile image67
    Lady_Eposted 9 years ago

    Interesting Theory Eric

    Re: Theory 2.

    Some people start a thread and have to respond to other people.  E.g People who reach a Hubscore of 100. When they get contratulatory messages, its just normal to reply  and thank people which could result in 10 posts in just an hour.

    Also, some, people's responses to a post is  just "Lol". (thats one posting even though its 3 letters).  So, these can't be the empty vessels.

    I think your probably thinking of people who write about 5 - 6 paragraphs in one posting to each other and carry on like that with their responses - each person trying to prove the other wrong?

    Regards, E.  smile

    1. profile image0
      fierycjposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Here's my quality input, Lady_E - this is the phoniest thread EVER!

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Thanks for dropping in and helping to prove the accuracy of my theory.
        Your score is 12.5
        Definitely empty vessel material!

        But can you please make more posts? I think you're a lot emptier than your score would indicate. lol

        1. profile image0
          fierycjposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            yeah, post some quality threads on how Africans eat people up, and jump from tree to tree. You're so full of wisdom and light, Sir 'redneck' Eric. Please honor thy little subject - be it only with thy most valued opinions! More grease to your royal elbows.

          1. Jewels profile image82
            Jewelsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Doesn't that happen in Papua New Guinea. You're wanting Africa to hog all the attention.

        2. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          You do realize that your own score is now 11 for today? wink

          I, of course, am the exception that proves the rule...........

          1. Eric Graudins profile image60
            Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            That's fine - it's worked out over the total time a person has been on hub pages. Not on an individual day. Everyone has a day when they do a lot of ranting.

            But the empty vessels get the award for continual ranting, day after day, week after week.

            (Hey - I invented the scoring. Do you reckon I'm so silly as to be caught by the theory lol )

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              Of course not, I was just making an observation.......

  6. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 9 years ago

    Thanks Lady E.

    You're being WAY too serious smile. This thread is just for a bit of fun.
    (It  actually took me less than 10 minutes to do the "research" for this post smile )

    But to answer your question seriously,

    The cases you mention of 10 thanks in an hour would be have no effect on the longer term index. Unless they started lots of threads, and the majority of their postings were "thank you" replies.

    And If someone's only contribution to the forums was meaningless one liners like LOL, then they are definitely empty vessels smile

    And back and forth arguments would not necessarily be empty vessels, depending on the content.

    And don't forget that quality of content is open to individual interpretation. Your opinion of worthwile content could be mindless babble in someone else's opinion. smile

    1. Lady_E profile image67
      Lady_Eposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah.  I do tend to read these threads with a serious mind. I should lighten up. smile Anyway, Nite nite. (Its nearly 2am on my side of the planet)

  7. lrohner profile image80
    lrohnerposted 9 years ago

    Some days I cross your threshold, and some days I don't. It all depends on whether I'm more focused on writing a hub or procrastinating about it!  smile

  8. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 9 years ago

    Here's a few examples of the HQI for some hubbers.

    Misha 8.9
    Mark Knowles 11.6
    Endersw1ggins 21
    Inspirepub 3.7
    TKSensei 27.6
    Blondepoet 9.1
    usmanali81 13.8
    Paraglider 2.3
    Mohitmisra 6.2
    Maddie Ruud 1.9
    Eric G. (me) 2.4

    How well do you think my theory stands up:
    Less than 10 - more likely to be sensible.
    Over 10 - More likely to be noisy, empty vessel ???

    lol lol

    Feel free to submit your own examples to prove or disprove this theory.

    1. darkside profile image79
      darksideposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think you need to add into the equation the weight of the number of published hubs, length of time registered, average hubscore of all hubs, and hubberscore.

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah.
        Right.
        Go for it lol

  9. cindyvine profile image84
    cindyvineposted 9 years ago

    Spot on theory!

    1. enderw1ggins profile image57
      enderw1gginsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      My show has got the ratings! American Idol...what's that?

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Although the score indicates that you're an empty vessel, it's a skewed result because of your athiests thread, which would have to be the most popular thread of hubPages, given the number of responses in the shortest time.

        But quantity ain't quality, and some would argue that posting on that thread automatically qualifies one as an empty vessel lol

        1. Rochelle Frank profile image96
          Rochelle Frankposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Eric, I think you are onto something. Since you have about 50% more posts than I-- in the same amount of time, I think I am safe for now. Maybe a half full or half empty vessel.

          On the other hand some people like Uninvited W. and Relashe and Marissa and others -- uh, and you-- should not be judged on a strictly statistical basis. Quality counts.

          1. Eric Graudins profile image60
            Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            No need to get too serious about this - after all, it's just a bit of fun.

            But it seems to work out right in most cases.
            cheers, Eric G.

  10. Mighty Mom profile image82
    Mighty Momposted 9 years ago

    Love the concept! Especially love that a higher number is actually a bad thing (well, I shouldn't presume -- some people may actually aspire to being empty vessels).

    Think we can get HP admin to factor in the HQI into hubbers' overall Hub Score?

    1. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That would be good! lol lol

      1. my-success-guru profile image61
        my-success-guruposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Hmmm interesting!

  11. LondonGirl profile image85
    LondonGirlposted 9 years ago

    Seems a pretty good theory to me! I'm on 5.97, so I'm safe (-:

  12. 2patricias profile image61
    2patriciasposted 9 years ago

    I haven't done the stats, but know that I tend to post to Forums when feeling brain dead (this moment is an exception!)  So, I think this sounds like a good theory.
    Also I've just seen LondonGirl's score above, and I always think of her as a sensible person.
    I KNOW this is not scientific before anyone tells me so.

  13. Shil1978 profile image92
    Shil1978posted 9 years ago

    Well, well - calculate my Hubber Quality Index. By that logic, guess, I am unbeatable. Anyone close smile

    1. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I reckon you're Gold Standard :-)

      @jewels: don't feed the troll smile

  14. LondonGirl profile image85
    LondonGirlposted 9 years ago

    thanks pat squared!

  15. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 9 years ago

    Our friend Pamda Man is getting right up there too, with around 22 posts a day.
    The only person with a higher HQI is TKSensei.

    I think that my theory is pretty well proved lol

  16. Lisa HW profile image65
    Lisa HWposted 9 years ago

    Oh.....    I feel better now.  I counted my posts over the last few days, and I was feeling like a big, empty, vessel.  I guess it turns out that I wasn't an empty vessel but have recently turned into one (and that pretty much matches what I've noticed about myself recently  smile  ).  Better to be a recently converted empty vessel than a life-long one.

  17. Pamda Man profile image49
    Pamda Manposted 9 years ago

    I don't think this is a good idea.

    This is similar to the post ranking method, which ended in epic failure in most forums. But this one is doing the opposite, limiting people not to post. By the way, I do agree with you that HQI is a good idea but 10 posts is a little too little. Maybe 30-50 posts? Because those who post one post "Lol" weekly would have very high HQI? You need a lower bound and upper bound for this to work. But you need to show on your profile also.

    Hey, what's the HQI for Squidward?? lol

    1. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      200 or so. About the same as yours.

      1. blondepoet profile image64
        blondepoetposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Eric I started reading your book last night. Holy smoke you are one heck of a smart man as well as a superb writer and of course a dear friend.
        I love the way you have mapped out your book, very easy to follow, it is fantastic. Will finish reading soon. I hope it is a best seller. (hugs)

  18. ethel smith profile image84
    ethel smithposted 9 years ago

    Better leave this as the last post before I become a empty vessel lol

  19. candice5 profile image57
    candice5posted 9 years ago

    Well after being determined to rid Hello my name is Squidward, by answereing everything he was on last night to just stop his name being on every Post there was . Hello to you all I am one hell of any empty vessel.

  20. Candie V profile image64
    Candie Vposted 9 years ago

    Well shoot Eric!!
    Someone threw me a party in here for my birthday, and a party for 100 posts, then there was a big fight in here today.. those 3 have boosted my score above your average.. I'm afraid!!! Please calculate it with these "handicaps" and let me know where I stand.. minus this one for the purpose of research.

    Thank you soooo much!

    1. profile image0
      china manposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I noticed this post from 14 months ago - someone butting into a private party just to cause a fight - nothing changes then big_smile

      1. mega1 profile image78
        mega1posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Private party on HubPages?  No! Really!  You're serious?

  21. Elena. profile image87
    Elena.posted 9 years ago

    OK, I'm just posting here to calculate my score smile  HAve no clue as to how many posts I've got under my belt, let's just submit and see.

    Edited to add: 219 posts in 9 months, so 0.8

    Dude, who beats that?  Laugh!

    1. blondepoet profile image64
      blondepoetposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Candie and Elena and MM are you three hot chicks on a girls night out or something you are pooping I mean popping in everywhere together. I want in ladies. !!!

  22. profile image0
    mtsi1098posted 9 years ago

    i am posting with no intention of calculating my score...but if i do not post 10 then i am good to go

  23. Cris A profile image56
    Cris Aposted 9 years ago

    7.83 for me. Not too much and not too little either. I'd say not bad! LOL cool

  24. profile image0
    pgrundyposted 9 years ago

    Eric, cool math-ro-batics. Love your new photo-photo. Two Erics are better than one? (Cool hat!) smile

  25. Pamda Man profile image49
    Pamda Manposted 9 years ago

    Isn't post number one of the milestones on HubPages? Then what you are applying is preventing that. You might as well ask HubPages to remove all milestones to prevent people spamming then.

  26. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 9 years ago

    @ pgrundy:
    Thanks.

    Just an update:
    My  theory has certainly received another boost by the activities of hubber ElElyone.

    ElElyone has been here all of 7 days, and made over 200 postings.
    His/her Hubber Quality Index is around 30.
    Which pretty well makes this hubber the biggest empty vessel on hubpages.
    Looking at the quality of their posts would certainly confirm this rating, as it would be difficult to find anyone else who makes the most noise in the forums (mostly with cut and pasted religious texts) while saying virtually nothing.

    If you've got any other contenders, please post them here.

    Remember that hubber quality index is calculated by the number of forum posts, divided by the number of days that a person has been on hubpages.
    Use 30 days for a month, 365 days for a year)

    If you get a number over 10, my theory says that the person is most likely an empty vessel.

    Have fun lol

  27. Davinagirl3 profile image58
    Davinagirl3posted 9 years ago

    I will get back to you on this one... I have to do some math!

  28. Davinagirl3 profile image58
    Davinagirl3posted 9 years ago

    Well you got me!  I won't even calculate how many posts are comments.  Empty Vessel in da house!!!!

    1. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Nah. you're one of the people who are an exception to the theory.  (It's not 100% accurate, as I've said before smile )
      cheers, Eric G.

  29. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 7 years ago

    I haven't been here much for a while.

    Anyone want to add an update to my theory using more recent observations?

    regards,
    Eric G.

    1. profile image0
      china manposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You have to also factor in how much spare time a hubber has to while away smile  perhaps divided by the number of words big_smile

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        good point.

        Care to come up with a hypothesis?
        Or is it covered in the 10% "fudge factor" ? lol

        1. profile image0
          china manposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          AND it should maybe be divided by two - to account for defence -if the hubber is the target of constant attacks big_smile

          But the fudge factor would probably do it.

  30. mega1 profile image78
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    WTF, Eric? I don't know why I didn't see this thread before.  You obviously have your way of having fun and I have mine.  I don't like to tell people how many times they should or should not post on the forums - I don't think its anybody's business. Whoever has that kind of time to monitor how many times other hubbers are posting and average it and publish the stats, is well, filling up empty time.

    That kind of judgmental thinking is exactly the same thing you are unhappy about, or so I thought, BUT, turns out, you just want to be able to make the rules to suit yourself and have the control.  So no thanks to your Sin Bin - and as for empty vessels - what could be a better example than a Facebook Page for people who are disgruntled about HubPages!  now, this is getting funny!  never been called an "empty vessel" before, in such an underhanded manner!  A LOUD EMPTY VESSEL!! HAA!

    WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!  RAAAAAWWWWWWWRRRRRRR! IS THIS LOUD ENOUGH FOR YA!  HAHAHAHA    :LOL:

    1. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'm making an observastion, and having a bit of fun. Not telling anyone how to do anything.


      Wow. You've uncovered my top secret master plan for world domination. lol



      If you look again, you'll see that that is not the purpose of the group at all. Anyway, glad you're finding some amusement.

      regards,
      Eric G.

  31. Mighty Mom profile image82
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    It's true. Some of us have way too much time on our hands.
    Unfortunately, posting in forums is not like writing hubs.
    Writing hubs requires some semblance of research and a logical progression of thought.
    Forum posting requires neither.
    Too bad there isn't a category of banning for empty-headedness lol

    1. Rochelle Frank profile image96
      Rochelle Frankposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      OH no! I would be out of the loop.

      and Cags-- I was thinking of you, too as a notable exception and the number one encourager here.

    2. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. but forum posting can also involve a lot of wit and spontaneity.
      Good to see you again MM.

      regards,
      Eric G.

      1. profile image0
        china manposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        You forgot the snake drums - and the tambourines - and the tin drum - and the kettle (black of course) -  Your metaphor for Hubbers is apt - it seems to cover most categories big_smile

    3. RedElf profile image89
      RedElfposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      big_smilebig_smilebig_smilebig_smilebig_smile

  32. Cagsil profile image82
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hey Eric, then how do "I" fit your scheme? hmm

    1. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      To keep with the taiko theme, you'd be an Odaiko!

      The biggest, baddest, loudest most powerful drum of all. lol

      1. Cagsil profile image82
        Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        lol lol lol

  33. Cagsil profile image82
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Thank you Rochelle. smile

  34. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 7 years ago

    Here's Art Lee, who has given workshops to our Taiko group.
    he's playing a Cagsil lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lldj_lESr6Y


    regards,
    Eric G.

    1. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That was pretty cool. Thank you. smile

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I've played with Art on stage.
        Scary experience! He's a machine!
        I really thought my arms were gunna dropp off!

        1. Cagsil profile image82
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          I don't doubt that feeling. Thank you again. smile

  35. Pearldiver profile image81
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Hi there Eric and Eric... smile
    Your 15 month old thread still kicks butt!! hmm
    But...
    Sorry
    I was only just watching a BumbleTown guy beating his head with a stick.. in an amazing demonstration of your Empty Vessel Theory! hmm
    You should have seen what he used to work his high hat.... I'm sure he was the record holder of the BiAnnual BumbleTown solo 3 legged race series big_smile

    Hope all is well with you and yours E & E
    Take Care mate.

    1. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks PD.
      Yes, we're still bumbling  along.
      Yes, no much has changed here in 15 months lol

      regards,
      Eric G.

 
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