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    "Forum" profile vs. "contributor" profil


    I find when I read through the forum posts, some comments are so insightful that I want to immediately go and look at the samples contributed by the poster.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be easy to do that. Clicking on a poster's name takes you to their forum profile, which is different from the profile that lists their samples. It's possible to convert one into the other with some creative URL editing, but that's kind of cumbersome to do every time.

    Would it be possible and easy to include a link to the poster's contribution along with each post or unify the forum profile with the contribution profile? Or perhaps that feature is already there and I've again missed it.

    Thanks

    mab

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    Hello Mab,

    Bram may give you a fuller answer, but apparently this link from the forum to the database is not possible, as the forum code was some kind of imported system and not written by Bram.

    What I do is probably what you have discovered. Click on the contributor's handle to go to his forum page, and extract the user id from the end of the url. Then click on your own name to switch to the database section, and paste the userid over your own id= in the url.

    Cumbersome, as you say.

    Mike

    Freesound Moderator "Close your eyes, and you're almost there!"
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    You could probably write a small PHPbb hack/add-on to do the cut-and-paste for you and create a link somewhere on the profile page...

    Although I personally just set my homepage as my sample profile.

    Freesound Admin Official Acclivity Fan Club - Member | Stuck with FLAC? Check the FAQ.
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    a quicker way would be to copy the username, go to search on the left hand side and uncheck everything except usernames!

    "Sound is just experience without sight." Official Acclivity Fan Club - Founder and Member. Flac? Ogg? Aiff? Click Here For Help!
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    alternatively, click the small freesound icon below the user's name.

    wink

    - bram

    Admin | Moderator | Ex-Freesound-Coder | Freesound Benevolent Dictator For Life.
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    Bram
    alternatively, click the small freesound icon below the user's name.

    wink

    - bram

    excellent! thanks

    mab

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    Awesome! Thanks bram.

    Freesound Admin Official Acclivity Fan Club - Member | Stuck with FLAC? Check the FAQ.
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    While I was at it I also added the "Sounds added: XX" on the left. Plagasul and me think I could probably throw away the "Joined: date" entry as it's not that useful. Sounds added + number of posts should be more than a "believability rating", right?

    what d'u guys think?

    - bram

    Admin | Moderator | Ex-Freesound-Coder | Freesound Benevolent Dictator For Life.
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    I like that idea. It's true that "community standing" has nothing to do with join date around here, and everything to do with the quantity and quality of uploads (and post count to a lesser extent.)

    If the ratings database was a little bit more consistent (i.e. had more ratings in it) you could even have an "average rating" figure, though that might be a bit unfair to some for various reasons...

    Instead of that, what about a download counter?

    These probably wouldn't be appropriate for the forums, but might make an interesting addition to the profile page.

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    I actually regularly look at "Joined date" - I find it interesting to see who are the "old hands", who have joined recently but have made a big impact already, and who has taken a short or long time to discover Freesound, tho' being perhaps a professional sound engineer etc.

    By the way, the freesound icon below the user name only appears as a small square with a red cross, on two out of three PC's, all running windoze xp and IE6. The avatars appear on all PC's.

    Freesound Moderator "Close your eyes, and you're almost there!"
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    cracking idea bram, although mine looks a bit shamefull, with 0 uploads sad

    i must start recording.....talking of me recording, a couple of replies to this would be handy

    "Sound is just experience without sight." Official Acclivity Fan Club - Founder and Member. Flac? Ogg? Aiff? Click Here For Help!
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    Halleck
    It's true that "community standing" has ... everything to do with the quantity and quality of uploads (and post count to a lesser extent.)

    If the ratings database was a little bit more consistent (i.e. had more ratings in it) you could even have an "average rating" figure, though that might be a bit unfair to some for various reasons...

    As it is said that the number of downloads of a sample is a better measure of usefulness than rating, how about a user's total sample usefulness rating something like the total number of downloads that user's samples have had in the last 7 days ... and a second figure: the number of d/l in total for that user's contributions over the last 7 days, divided by the total number of samples they have contributed. This latter being a user's average sample usefulness rating. That should keep the computational side of FS busy!

    Edit: If such computations were done weekly, 'twould probably suffice.

    Freesound Moderator "Close your eyes, and you're almost there!"
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    I'd say that's more of a "popularity" rating than a "usefulness" rating... there's lots of undiscovered gems on the site that don't get downloaded often.

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    Halleck
    I'd say that's more of a "popularity" rating than a "usefulness" rating... there's lots of undiscovered gems on the site that don't get downloaded often.

    You are absolutely right. Recently I've been toying with the 'random sample' feature, and virtually anything can come out! This random feature is a great source of information on the kind, length,quality, format of sounds... That's cool, I can easily imagine someone doing a Ph D on it in the near future. A 20000 item database is a piece of cake for an statician (which I'm not). Best of all, with some programming one could resample the database as many times as needed. This way you don't have to assume anything about the distributions being normal or not (they call this Monte-Carlo methods).

    Mike, I dont' think that usefulness can be quantified. It depends on the subject that uses the sound so it's subjective by definition, I guess. Just like the beauty of a sound, the mood that it conveys, or any other subject-specific trait. As for popularity, the number of downloads looks like a fairly good index.

    I must confess, what's intriguing for me is that 'popular' samples tend to be downloaded again and again as time passes, whereas 'undiscovered gems' (to quote Halleck) remain forgotten. Can this behaviour be explained on the basis of sample quality only? I think not. I would rather say that the average user is not fond of discovering, but of following others. Could we call this gregariousness? So, our behaviour as users is another valuable source of information we are all building for the future (besides the database itself). Marketing guys, here it is. For free!

    Everything about FS is so damn COOL! smile

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    dobroide
    I must confess, what's intriguing for me is that 'popular' samples tend to be downloaded again and again as time passes, whereas 'undiscovered gems' (to quote Halleck) remain forgotten. Can this behaviour be explained on the basis of sample quality only? I think not. I would rather say that the average user is not fond of discovering, but of following others. Could we call this gregariousness? So, our behaviour as users is another valuable source of information we are all building for the future (besides the database itself). Marketing guys, here it is. For free!

    First I thought that users mainly download stuff that's on the front page, but:

    searched nr_times
    wind 1320
    thunder 1200
    rain 1200
    scream 1090
    bell 1081
    explosion 1076
    gun 1014
    car 906
    crowd 834
    piano 807
    water 788
    bass 772
    sex 743
    fart 701
    phone 700
    guitar 698
    drum 669
    fire 669
    alarm 665
    Siren 646
    beep 646
    telephone 633
    train 625
    dog 591
    voice 579
    horror 574
    door 572
    snare 569
    birds 569
    crash 564
    radio 559
    scratch 555
    record scratch 520
    kick 516
    laugh 494
    applause 493
    drums 484
    footsteps 483
    storm 482
    cat 463
    horn 452
    bird 448
    ring 447
    click 445
    heartbeat 431
    violin 430
    trumpet 430
    music 405
    ambient 404
    forest 402
    Camera 400
    sonar 400
    clock 384
    glass 380
    bells 378
    gong 374
    sea 374
    scary 370
    ocean 364
    horse 362
    bomb 362
    space 358
    vocal 352
    traffic 351
    static 349
    nature 345
    heart 344
    loop 332
    war 331
    police 325
    thunderstorm 321
    punch 320
    chant 319
    whistle 315
    city 314
    metal 306
    techno 305

    ...

    These are the searches people do. As you can see, thunder really is popular smile

    - bram

    Admin | Moderator | Ex-Freesound-Coder | Freesound Benevolent Dictator For Life.
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    Bram

    First I thought that users mainly download stuff that's on the front page, but:

    searched nr_times
    wind 1320
    thunder 1200
    rain 1200
    scream 1090

    ...

    These are the searches people do. As you can see, thunder really is popular smile
    - bram

    Don't take me wrong, I by no means meant that Humphries' thunder isn't worth thousand downloads. But I think there is (perhaps) a general 'pioneer' effect, which renders much-downloaded files appealing to more people. Sort of "if all these guys downloaded that then it can't be bad". Just like in pop music: once a band gets a large audience it's very likely that their next album will be a hit. Well, music is just a type of sound, and FS consumers (downloaders) could well behave in a similar way.

    So there are themes clearly 'preferred'... Bram, I'm thinking you have access to lots of info potentially interesting about lots of people... Not as much as Google, but hey... grin

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    f*** man, sex is only 13th in the list, something has *Got* to be done about that.

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    Anton
    f*** man, sex is only 13th in the list, something has *Got* to be done about that.

    glad to see i'm not the only one who only noticed sex in the rank

    "Sound is just experience without sight." Official Acclivity Fan Club - Founder and Member. Flac? Ogg? Aiff? Click Here For Help!
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    I'm getting a bit lost as to where this thread is going ...

    A couple of points. So folk think my suggested scoring system is a measure of popularity rather than usefulness - OK - (rather splitting hairs in my book, but never mind, I mean presumably a user downloads a sample because they can see a use for it) - so my question is:- would folk like to see contributors rated in such a way?

    Secondly, when I upload a new sample which obtains a reasonable number of downloads in a short time, I find that apart from the faithful downloaders like Schulze (thankyou my friend), the big majority of the downloaders have only joined FS in the last few days. This suggests to me that users join FS, grab what they need at the time, and disappear without trace. Why can't we hold on to more users for longer? Why don't they come back again and again for new stuff?

    Mike

    Freesound Moderator "Close your eyes, and you're almost there!"
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    I believe that the main reason of Bram's post was to delete the Joined part of the text block below the user picture, because it looks big. We are trying to determinate if Sounds Added + Post is enough as a hint to trust someone, and i believe it is.

    Let's delete the "joined" one

    Jaume Ferrete www.jaumeferrete.net
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