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Species by region ideas

Galaxy mapEdit

This morning I took a map of the Star Wars galaxy, and, depending on FA or GA status, placed a star in each grid that contains one of our articles. Yellow obviously represents a FA, and green a GA (FAs taking priority). There are a number of species that don't have a homeworld identified, and others share a grid reference.

Maybe once the Alphabet Challenge is completed, we could work on the north-eastern quadrant... --Eyrezer 13:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

  • I was going to wait until the Alphabet Project was finished before floating the idea, but there ya go: Colonies species might be another idea for our next project. ~ SavageBob 18:18, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • It looks like about 14 FAs, 8 GAs, and a handful of CAs to me. --Eyrezer 01:34, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
      • I've added the Mikoans to your list. As of today, a GAN. --Eyrezer 11:21, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
        • Cool. Not sure how I missed them unless someone hadn't connected the species to the planet yet. ~ SavageBob 16:25, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
          • And the Doneer, but they are already a GA. --Eyrezer 02:28, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
          • Current nominations are in bold italic, per the Alphabet Challenge. Thanks for the updates, Ey. :) ~ SavageBob 15:28, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
            • I already have a queue of noms to go, but I'll be happy to try both these ideas, particularly if there are available RPG sources to check :P Surely there'll be a few available options.
About Colonies, Anointed People is waiting for my next FAN free slot. Some time ago, I took some notes for Khil, but I'm not following the KOTOR comics that feature a Khil guy. Still, I might improve that article too. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:24, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • Lemme see if I get it. H-19: Only one planet is seen in the map (Skye; species S'kytri) but the Atlas Companion mentions Barraken (no species). Say I want to FA or GA S'kytri (probably FA), and then we can add a star to the map. That's it, isn't it? Well, can I have H-19 coordinates, please? Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • That's a bingo! --Eyrezer 10:06, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • That's a bongo! ·:D Now, anyone familiar with the Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game and how to get information about S'kytri from the "Trispzest" card? I can't exactly go to the guy who added it to the sourcelist. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 10:11, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • I expect you'll probably find it in your inbox. --Eyrezer 10:40, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Coordnate ChallengeEdit

Eyrezer, above, were you suggesting a sort of grid-based challenge to replace the Alphabet Challenge? Try to FA or GA a species for every grid on the map (unless there are none, like in the dark corners)? That might be fun. I wonder if it'd be feasible, or if we'd end up with, say, Chiss as the only species somewhere and get stuck. ~ SavageBob 16:25, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • This is more what I had in mind, yes. It's just another way - like the Alphabet Challenge - to prompt people to consider writing up species that they otherwise would not. --Eyrezer 01:44, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
    • I like it. We'll have to iron out the details (is it either a GA or an FA for each coordinate, or is it both, for instance), but it would be a good, general replacement for the alphabet challenge in that it leaves the field quite wide open for folks to work on articles they are interested in while working toward a common goal. I'll probably pick off the Colonies species on my own if no one else wants to work on them, but the Coordinate Challenge might be the best bet for the next big thing for us to devote our attentions to (in addition to the Twi'lek thing). ~ SavageBob 02:21, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
    • Just noticed: H-16 (Endor) should get a yellow star for Dulok. ~ SavageBob 01:07, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
      • S'kye'll have to wait for its FA, but anyone wants a GAN for I-7 these days? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 12:30, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

A test caseEdit

Just as a test case, let's take a random coordinate from the map for which we have no species yet: P-19. Firing up the Essential Atlas Online Companion, I search its Appendices for this coordinate. This nets me the Alzoc system, Fallowan system, Karazak system, Pantora system, Parmic system, Piluvia system, Shownar system, Skynara system, Syni system, and Torch Nebula. I then check out these systems (or the planets in the case we don't have an article for the system) for native species. This nets me the Talz, Pantorans, and Shownarri to choose from. Pretty cool. ~ SavageBob 02:31, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

  • Exactly! I also plan to add my Completed articles to the map, once I can work out the Gimp. For the record, I don't think we can assume that is an image of the Shownarri... --Eyrezer 06:00, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Moving ahead?Edit

Skippy beat me to it, but congratulations are in order for completing the alphabet challenge! Before we rest on our laurels, though, there area couple of things to clear up. First of all, do we want to keep adding new articles to the main Alphabet Challenge page, or do we want to preserve it as is to represent the end of the challenge? Secondly, do we know how many new FAs and GAs the Alphabet Challenge netted us? Finally, I know Eyrezer is on board with the Coordinate Challenge (or whatever we want to call it) as our next one, but what about Skippy and other members? Shall we move ahead with our next major challenge, to get a star on every grid of the galactic map? ~ SavageBob 00:45, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

  • Hmm. Personally I like to have a page that lists all our articles. I have been using the Alphabet page to see current noms more than the FAN/GAN announcement page. However, an archive could be useful. Alternatively, one way to "preserve" could be to link to it as it was when completed on the Milestones page I started the other day. --Eyrezer 01:44, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
    • The snapshot (linking to the version that was current as of the end of the contest) would be a good addition to the milestones page, yes. :) In the meantime, we can keep adding new noms to the alphabetical page too. Why not? ~ SavageBob 15:24, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Squares with no speciesEdit

I think we need a symbol for those squares that have no species at all in them. When looking for something in the northeast quadrant, the first square I hit upon with a sentient species was the Tulvarees at T-4. U-1 through U-5 have no species, and T-1 through T-3 don't either. Is there any way to indicate "dead" squares? ~ SavageBob 05:35, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

  • Yes, I was thinking of a faded out X to eliminate them. I'll see what I can do next week. --Eyrezer 05:44, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
    • Map cross
      Perhaps something like this. --Eyrezer 12:24, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

<div style="height: 1146px; width: 829px;">[[File:MainGalaxy.jpg|link=]]<div style="margin-left: 0px; margin-top: -1146px;"></div> {{User:Lord Hydronium/Mappoint|325|260|}} {{User:Lord Hydronium/Mappoint|325|300||GA}} {{User:Lord Hydronium/Mappoint|365|465||GA}} {{User:Lord Hydronium/Mappoint|280|425||GA}} </div>

      • Is the idea to use it in conjunction with the map above? Or the map at the upper-right-hand corner of the page? Or perhaps something like what Wookieepedia:WookieeProject Astrography is doing? We should probably convert to either the map directly above this one (with some way to represent planets for which we don't know the precise position), or the WP:AST one, since otherwise you'll have to update things every time, Ey. ~ SavageBob 15:25, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
        • Lol, I'm working on it, I'm working on it. The "second" map here will be better as it is easier for anyone to update as it only needs another Mappoint, not a new image upload. However, I'd like to work out an easier way to add in the X or whatever we use to denote grids with no native species. I'm currently not sure how to do so. The map I have on my subpage giving exact locations is not so appropriate for a coordinate challenge. --Eyrezer 20:06, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
          • ) Good to know! I like the version you've got in your Sandpit. I don't know the ins and outs of the coding, but I'm assuming it will eventually make the map points hyperlinks to the articles? And will it be possible to represent squares for which we have more than one species? (Not trying to rush you at all! Just questions, just questions. :) ) ~ SavageBob 16:43, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
            • Well, I almost have two maps in mind. A grid one, solely for the purposes of this Coordinate Challenge (which only needs to convey the grids) and a more detailed one with the exact locations in as far as that is possible. I am not sure where to use the latter at the moment, but I think I have a workable version of the former, which I have now posted below this. It is a little bit trickier to get the images in the right place but with a little bit of trial and error, any of our members should be able to use it. I've added the articles for the top right quadrant of the galaxy, but if you have time, please feel free to work on the the other quadrants using the map at the top of this page as a starter. --Eyrezer 22:19, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • Currently, if there is only one species in a grid, we can link the icon to them. In squares with more than one species, we can make the caption a list of the species there at the expense of directly linking to them. That is the best I can currently manage. See K-9 as an example of multiple species. --Eyrezer 23:41, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • I cribbed from the Wookieepedia:WookieeProject Astrography map and filled in the duds. Assuming they got it right, the non-X'ed squares on the maps should all have planets, though not necessarily species. So folks should cross out any squares they find that have no species. ~ SavageBob 00:43, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • Here's one possibility for representing multiple species in a single square: [1]. Not sure I like it aesthetically, but thought I'd throw it on the table. ~ SavageBob 02:25, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • Out of curiosity, what species did you find corresponding to grids K-1, O-1 and P-1? Unless I'm missing something, the Atlas places nothing in those grids. --Imperialles 21:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, the map currently doesn't X out any of Row 1 as that would make the numbers unreadable. We may have to revisit this later, though. The same goes for Column C. ~ SavageBob 22:16, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
      • Ah, there we go. I mistook row 2 for for 1 for some reason. Carry on! --Imperialles 22:17, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

CAs and species with colonies onlyEdit

Just a couple of thoughts as our map increasingly starts to look like a fruit-flavored breakfast cereal:

  • Should we hold off on adding the CAs since it looks like an official site-wide CA system will be implemented in the next few weeks?
  • I added Morseerian and Tren to the map, even though these species are only known for colonies. We should probably decide what to do with species like these; include them at their colony? Don't include them at all? Include them at their colony but don't count them for the completion of the challenge? ~ SavageBob 22:30, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • I am happy to exclude CAs from this map. I think for the Challenge we should only count FAs and GAs. However, if a grid has a native species with only enough info to CA, do we then place a cross there?
    I am happy with having both Morseerian and Tren on the map, and counting them toward the Challenge. They are strongly associated with those planets and I certainly don't see it doing us any harm by including them.
    I will soon delete the map at the top of the page, and shift our more user-friendly map to the top. It's a shame forum pages don't have talk pages, as I'd then shift all this discussion off here and to a talk page. --Eyrezer 22:58, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm cool with including CAs, but I think we should wait to see if the official version gets set up. If it does, we can include the articles that are "officially" passed through that process, but if the CA system is rejected, we can maintain our own ad hoc version. I agree that CAs shouldn't count for the challenge; we should instead try to get one GA and FA for each square (where possible).
    • As for where to "officially" place the challenge, how about a page like Forum:Alphabet Challenge where all we have is the map? We could do Forum:Coordinate Challenge or something. Then we could preserve this page for discussion, since it has grown kind of wordy and talky. ~ SavageBob 23:19, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

It's live!Edit

I've made a challenge HQ: Forum:Coordinate Challenge. I'm not sure how to add it to the tabs on our main project page, so I'll leave that to the wizardry of Eyrezer. :) I say that we should preserve this page for discussion. Also, everyone feel free to tweak the challenge page to make it look all purty and stuff. ~ SavageBob 17:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

  • I was bored, so the tab is now added to every applicable header. :) -- 1358 (Talk) 17:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
    • As far as making it look all purty and stuff, I centered the GA and CA icons in their respective squares since you're using smaller sizes for those compared to the FA icon. From the basic pixel coordinates used for the 30px X or FA icons, add 2 pixels to center a 25px GA icon (this is not perfect—it actually should be 2.5 pixels to be picky) or 5 pixels to center a 20px CA icon. —Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 17:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
      • Wow! Thanks to both of you! It looks quite nice! :) ~ SavageBob 18:50, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
        • Thanks, Xd and Jon. Bob - both an FA and GA for each square? Ouch. That means we currently only have 10 grids covered... This is going to be a long term Challenge! --Eyrezer 21:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
          • Well, we can scale it back to one or the other, but why not aim high? :) The real trouble will be squares like those in the Unknown Regions where there's only a really difficult species available, like Chiss or Yuuzhan Vong . . . ~ SavageBob 22:14, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
          • On second thought, we can do it in two phases. I've elaborated on the main challenge page, but the general idea is complete coverage (with either GA or FA) first, then double coverage (with GA and FA per square) second. ~ SavageBob 22:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
            • Great job guys! I just came across this now. Is this in place for planet articles as well? -- Riffsyphon1024 10:11, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Good idea about listing the species below, Ey. Are those listings exhaustive? As in, is it only Avogwi and Nuiwit in that square, or are there potentially other (for example)? ~ SavageBob 06:04, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

  • I tried to be exhaustive. It is possible there could be a species on Dodz as I didn't check the comic firsthand, only our Wook article. --Eyrezer 06:35, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • I just checked; looks like nothing but a bunch of white male Humans and a Gamorrean ruler. Poor folks who have to live there! ~ SavageBob 07:10, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, the Online Companion seems to have just been updated, so we may need to check all our X's again... :/ ~ SavageBob 07:29, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

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A guide to identifying species in squaresEdit

I think this list is a great idea, but it's easier to use it if we put it on the main CC page. I move that we add any further square/species lists over there unless others disagree. ~ SavageBob 07:26, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

  • Cool. My goal was actually to find more squares with no species in them, but I just thought it pays to record the findings somewhere so as not to duplicate effort later. --Eyrezer 10:26, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
  • I've actually put a list of species in a grid on the other page - K-14 - that already has a GA for it. This is because I was thinking of the Phase II of the Challenge and whether any the other species could be made an FA. In this example, I don't think either the Pa Tho or the Yn (species) are FA-able, so this square is essentially sufficient for both phases of the Challenge. Should we be recording this somewhere? --Eyrezer 05:58, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'd say that if there are no FA-able species for that square, there are two choices: We deem it "finished" for both phases of the challenge, or we say that it needs two GAs for Phase II instead of one FA and one GA. I'd lean toward the second option, since other squares will require two articles. As for declaring a square "finished" (i.e., it has a GA and an FA), perhaps we should make a square graphic, the same size as a map coordinates square, with a thicker border. It could be placed on top of the other icon on that square to give it a thicker border and indicate that that square has met the requirements of the challenge? Or we could just require people to mouse over and see whether a square has both an FA and a GA. ~ SavageBob 06:53, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
    • Another thought is that two FAs on one square should count for Phase II as well; it doesn't have to be one FA and one GA, just at least one FA if possible. Any other ideas, gentles? ~ SavageBob 06:58, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Having slept on it, here are all the possibilities for a square, and thus the various circumstances we'll have to cope with. There are probably some other permutations I'm missing, but this is a start. ~ SavageBob 17:05, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

  • Square has at least two species, one of which can be made FA, one of which can be made GA (but not FA): Phase I: 1 FA or 1 GA. Phase II: 1 FA and 1 GA.
  • Square has two or more species, all of which can be made FA: Phase I: 1 FA. Phase II: ?.
  • Square has two or more species, at least two of which could be made GA, but none of which can be made FA: Phase I: 1 GA. Phase II: ?.
  • Square has only species that can be made CA: Phase I: ?. Phase II: ?.
  • Square has only one species, which can be made FA: Phase I: 1 FA. Phase II: N/A.
  • Square has only one species, which can be made GA but not FA: Phase I: 1 GA. Phase II: N/A.
  • Square has only one species that can be made FA, and the rest can only be made CA: Phase I: 1 FA. Phase II: ?.
  • Square has only one species that can be made GA, and the rest can only be made CA: Phase I: 1 GA. Phase II: ?.
  • Square has no sentience species whatsoever: Phase I: N/A. Phase II: N/A.

Another concern is redlinks. I think we've found most of the no-species squares, but there are some questionable ones where our lack of articles for what the Atlas Companion has listed has convince me not to X them out yet. In other words, when I've done a search through TEAOC for a particular set of coordinates, gotten a hit, and then found only redlinks for both "Hit" and "Hit system" here, I haven't been X'ing the square off because our data here at Wookieepedia is incomplete. In sum, if you get redlinks on a square that seems to otherwise be devoid of species, further research is probably warranted on those redlinked planets and systems just to be sure. ~ SavageBob 16:52, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

  • AN option for representing squares that have achieved Phase I and II is to superimpose the FA symbol over the GA symbol and adjust the sizes somewhat. As you can see from the map above, this provides a visual way of showing a square has both. It doesn't resolve all the permetations above, but it might be a start. --Eyrezer 02:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Works in progressEdit

Eyrezer recently added a few notations to the Forum:Coordinate Challenge page indicating which species he is currently working on. I've been doing this on my user page, and we've been indicating current noms on the Forum:Alphabet Challenge page, but it seems like a good idea to perhaps indicate our WIPs somewhere, and the CC page is as good as any. What were you thinking, Ey? Should we adopt this as a standard practice?

My only concern would be that if someone indicates they're working on a species at some set of coordinates, they should go ahead and research that square fully and list out all of its species, with the one they're working on set apart with a comment template. In other words, if I'm working on the Arkanians (which I am), I should not just list Arkanian on their square but all the species that share that square with them, indicating that it's only Arkanian that I'm working on. That way we avoid the risk that someone sees the list of species on each square and assumes that there's nothing but Arkanians living there. I hope this makes sense! :) ~ SavageBob 15:06, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

  • A couple of points: There are 1200 named species -- not counting unnamed species -- so I don't think we necessarily need to list all of them on your Coordinate Challenge page. The reason why I originally added that list is that I was checking for squares that might be empty of native species, even if they had planets. I found I could not remember which ones I'd checked so started adding that list. I then tagged a couple that I am working on as I know I am definitely starting to pick species from grids I know are currently empty.
    As for listing current noms, other projects have them all in one place. See WP:TCW#Promoted_Articles for an example. We currently have GA and FA noms on one page, but CA noms on another. I know I use the Alphabet Challenge page to keep an eye on current noms, more than our announcements page, but we could switch to a format that displays all three options. Updating the Alphabet page may be a bit redundant now. I was even toying with the idea of a master list that we could strike off all the species we have completed, but scratched it as part of our task is still excluding many undefined groups currently classed as species. --Eyrezer 23:54, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
    • I was thinking that it is getting kind of tedious when a new article is nominated. I think it's good to keep our FA, GA, and CA portfolios separated, but perhaps it would be a good idea to have a master page of current noms and a master page of current works in progress, à la WP:TCW. We could retool the "Announcements" page as a general discussion forum for subjects such as this one, perhaps. ~ SavageBob 01:45, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
    • It is particularly tedious when you are the one that does the FA archiving in addition to WP:AS paperwork! --Eyrezer 04:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
      • I've implemented the new system on our old announcements page, which has been renamed accordingly. I vote that listing current noms at the Alphabet Challenge and Coordinate Challenge pages be made optional, since the new table format should make it easy enough to see what's currently in some nomination process. ~ SavageBob 14:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

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