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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Also, what the heck is the point of DH threads and DH moderation of such threads if a non-DH can go to a forum moderator to undo the DH moderation?

No dog in this hunt but this is an excellent point. Why empower someone only to undermine them? This is about the worse thing that can happen in an organization for chain of command, and without chain of command, we're a mob.
post #12662 of 13887
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

DH thread or not, if someone crosses a line with what they say, a moderator has every right to delete it. no different than any other area of the forum. for example, if a DH in GC were to start a thread, and in it say something over the line and derogatory about someone else, they dont get a free pass. bad behavior is bad behavior, across the forum. so if m thinks something you and SB said aught to be deleted for offensive content, well, that should be that. i think that is pretty fair.

Emptym didn't delete offensive content. He deleted my comment because he decided I had said enough on the subject--but as DH, it's exactly my prerogative to determine when enough is enough in a DH thread I'm empowered to moderate. Thus, his deletion of my comments crosses the line.
post #12663 of 13887
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

DH thread or not, if someone crosses a line with what they say, a moderator has every right to delete it. no different than any other area of the forum. for example, if a DH in GC were to start a thread, and in it say something over the line and derogatory about someone else, they dont get a free pass. bad behavior is bad behavior, across the forum. so if m thinks something you and SB said aught to be deleted for offensive content, well, that should be that. i think that is pretty fair.

Think of parenting. If at any time your kids could appeal to your wife, and no matter what you had decided she could change at a whim, how much respect would your kids have for you? What is happening here is managing managers. Toughest thing to do in front of line employees is manage a manager and not have them lose the respect of those they must manage. Do you thing Sugar Butch will ever listen to Foo's DH'ing again? I sure as hell don't.
post #12664 of 13887
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Do you thing Sugar Butch will ever listen to Foo's DH'ing again? I sure as hell don't.

Not sure he listened to begin with. And as far as Foo's actions as a DH (which are to keep a thread on topic, yes?), it seems like emptym let those stand, not undermining them...instead deleting some of the non-relevant semi-offensive content, right?

 

Perhaps I don't understand the intent behind the DH (well before my time), but I'd always assumed they were there to both create and moderate (for the purpose of keeping the discussion on track) content heavy threads. Anything outside of this realm, regardless of whether it is in a DH thread or not, would risk overstepping bounds (much like an HM zapping something which might deserve to be zapped, but isn't spam or obviously offensive).

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It's not like that at all. The Dubiously honored are not moderators. They are like "the oldest regulars" in the bar. They are allowed to hold court at their tables. They are actually only supposed to moderate threads which they start themselves, but if there is a tacit agreement between two dubiously honored members to moderate each other's threads, that doesn't bother me at all. However, outside of their own threads, they don't have any special rights. And honestly, within their own threads, they are supposed to use discretion and to hold themselves to a higher standard.

However, Dubiously honored members are not moderators. Moderators are bartenders, and their charge is to keep the peace, and the Dubiously Honored are not above moderation. The qualities we look for in moderators are not the same qualities we look for when we appoint someone as people "Dubiously Honored". Unless the moderator is egregiously in the wrong, (which has happened a handful of times over 11 years), we will stand by their moderation decisions.

And for the record, the moderators are given the broadest of mandates - keep the peace, keep things smooth, keep things friendly and relatively civil. Be even tempered in judgement. They aren't asked to participate in the business aspects of the forum at all.
post #12666 of 13887
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

Perhaps I don't understand the intent behind the DH (well before my time), but I'd always assumed they were there to both create and moderate (for the purpose of keeping the discussion on track) content heavy threads. Anything outside of this realm, regardless of whether it is in a DH thread or not, would risk overstepping bounds (much like an HM zapping something which might deserve to be zapped, but isn't spam or obviously offensive).

This is it in a nutshell. It's also an honor to recognize contributions to the forum. Though, like all honors bestowed on Styleforum, it's dubious at best.
post #12667 of 13887
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Emptym didn't delete offensive content. He deleted my comment because he decided I had said enough on the subject--but as DH, it's exactly my prerogative to determine when enough is enough in a DH thread I'm empowered to moderate. Thus, his deletion of my comments crosses the line.

well then, i was mistaken. i assumed the deleted posts were ones that were not topic related, but mere name calling and the such. sorry about that.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Think of parenting. If at any time your kids could appeal to your wife, and no matter what you had decided she could change at a whim, how much respect would your kids have for you? What is happening here is managing managers. Toughest thing to do in front of line employees is manage a manager and not have them lose the respect of those they must manage. Do you thing Sugar Butch will ever listen to Foo's DH'ing again? I sure as hell don't.

thats all well and good, and apparently i misunderstood what was deleted, according to what foo says above. but in the example i gave, i hold firm. im not talking about an upper manager whimsically undoing the decisions of a lower manager just because they feel like it.

if a parent goes beyond the line with how they treat their kids, and the other parent feels that their spouse has crossed the line, they may, and sometimes must, take action.

same with a manager. if i make someone a manager, and then they go around abusing the line employees, the manager is in the wrong, and needs to be dealt with. not the line employees.

in either case, its an issue of a person abusing their power at that point, it is the job of the managers manager, to take proper action.

so, although this is not the case, if say poster A is made DH, and in his DH thread, he says to poster B, "you are a fucking idiot and your genitals should be removed to prevent you from procreating more fucking idiots", well, they are abusing their power, and such power should be "undermined," as it is not being used properly. and at that point, its not that the upper manager has caused them to lose respect, its that they no longer deserve respect because of their own actions.

again, apparently that is not what actually happened here, but that is what i was talking about.
post #12668 of 13887
Also, we are going to let it go and move on. More than enough has been said by all parties. It's done.
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For the record, I didn't ask for anything to be deleted. Foo went to emptym to complain about my reposting the comment I pasted above. I still think that Foo's deletion of my comment was weaksauce, but he is DH, and I'm not. I don't understand why he's complaining about getting his way, though.
post #12670 of 13887
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

...keep the peace, keep things smooth, keep things friendly and relatively civil. Be even tempered in judgement.

This describes me to a "T." Just saying.
post #12671 of 13887
Okay, seriously, it's done. No more comments on the matter.

Unless you want a timeout, of course.
post #12672 of 13887
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This describes me to a "T." Just saying.

Next thing we know, they are going to make Tie Domi a ref.
post #12673 of 13887
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Next thing we know, they are going to make Tie Domi a ref.

laugh.gif I'll tell you this weekend how I bumped into an OPP recently and we were talking about old times with Tie (OPP would destroy Tie).

Oh, and look who's dishing out discipline for the league these days...the big man himself.
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At least 2/3 of the posts flagged as spam have the phrase "cvv" in them. I'm not even sure what this phrase means, but its overuse must make it easy for Huddler.
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

At least 2/3 of the posts flagged as spam have the phrase "cvv" in them. I'm not even sure what this phrase means, but its overuse must make it easy for Huddler.

It's the credit card verification code.
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