Rejected keyword: social-justice-warrior

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Is the keyword social-justice-warrior no longer acceptable? I submitted it to a half-dozen titles recently, but it appears to have been declined on all of them. However, the keyword currently remains on 137 other titles: https://archive.fo/SKd4H

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Hi, 'J' I feel good too. Thanks for telling us.
I read end credits too!
I looked at those 137 credits.
They are all News and Documentary.
The full keyword is rather subjective.
The word 'Warrior' is rather extreme
Warrior? No. Advocate? or Advocacy? Yes.
Justice? No. Injustice? Most definitely.
Social Justice Warrior, IS a phrase used to describe A PERSON, it's not a keyword.
I dont see this keyword on any serious titles. Malcom X for example.
The whole keyword should be considered for removal completely.
It is only being used on very small titles.
47 or so of the 137 titles are from just a small handful of hosts (6) I believe.
So the keyword in its use is an attempt to prop up someones own self importance.
In essence an abuse of the database.
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Lots of keywords are subjective descriptions of a person or a group of persons, and lots of them appear in documentaries and news videos. Other such terms used as keywords are racist, sexist, far right, far left, alt-right, zealot, hypocrite, illegal immigrant, etc. There are also keywords for hotly contested concepts like hate speech, craptivismmanspreading﻿, ﻿and gender-queer.

When I'm keywording an opinion video, I take the point of view of the host. If the host discusses Donald Trump and calls him a racist, I add racist. If the host talks about Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and calls her a social justice warrior, I add social-justice-warrior. Keywords like this reflect the videos, not the contributor.
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Debate is wonderful.

I disagree.
They should only have content keywords, not self aggrandizing descriptions of the moderator or the narrator. Many of the 137 refer to the maker of the video. If the keyword was referring to Martin Luther King Jr, I would not say that it's use was incorrect.  It refers too many times to the host or the maker of the video. Self Aggrandizing and subjectively inappropriate in the extreme.
Just because one calls oneself something, does not make it so, or true.
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Some social justice warriors use the term for themselves, but usually the term is used to mock a certain kind of social activist. That's the case in the top video, SEXY CONSERVATIVES, in which Paul Joseph Watson is mocking SJWs.

But in THE GREAT WHITE HOAX, the filmmakers describe anti-Trump protesters with the same phrase, and it is meant to be approbation.

In neither case is the term used for self-aggrandizement.
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I already agreed. Some are acceptable. The majority of the 137 are not.
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I'm not familiar with all of the entries, but judging from the titles, I'd say most of them are using the term in a mocking way. The ones that stand out as likely self-aggrandizement include WHITE LIKE ME and BEFORE MY FEET TOUCH THE GROUND. But even if these cases, I'm inclined to be indulgent. If the filmmakers consider themselves to be social justice warriors, and call themselves social justice warriors in their own movies, I'd vote for keeping the keyword.
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Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.
The Keywords should be left up to contributors. The maker should not be allowed to keyword their own work. Reviews of your own work should be taboo also.
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What persons (real or fictitious) is the term "social justice warrior" being used to describe in the context of the IMDb title pages to which it is (or to be, or desired to be, or ought to be) applied? The keyword should only apply to works that do in fact show or depict at least one social justice warrior, as opposed to somebody whom the makers of a work merely opine or accuse of being such. The problem is that the term supposedly, for nearly a decade's time, has mainly only ever used for accusing people of doing the following thing: advocating social "justice" (or variation thereof) purely out of pretension rather than out of having heart and soul in a particular collection of social issues.
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Yep!
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I'd like to see the keyword applied to any title in which a social justice warrior (as defined by the host or a panelist) is a significant topic of discussion. An obvious example would be the episode of THE SAAD TRUTH called "Social Justice Warrior Loses Her Bid to Get Me Fired." Like most episodes of the show, it is nothing more than the host talking into the camera. Any keywords would have to refer only to what the host is talking about.
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Hi J. -

Jeorj's comment above summarizes the usage of this keyword very well.  The keyword "Social Justice Warrior" is acceptable given the context that it is being used, such as if an individual is portraying themselves verses using the term in an accusatory way.

If you feel that your keyword submissions were incorrectly rejected and the keyword does apply to the title given the context, please re-submit and our editors will take another look.
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I'll abide by the staff's decision, of course; but I disagree with it. There are many keywords with subjective descriptions of people, e.g.; racist, liar, weakling, hypocrite, alcoholic, braggart, brat, internet-troll, etc. Usually the subjects of these labels would dispute them, but they are still acceptable as keywords.

If social-justice-warrior can only be used when self-applied, then it is unique among all these subjective epithets. Social-justice-warrior should be treated like the rest of them, in my opinion.
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How about modifying the keyword to clarify the intention? Keywords like these are already prevalent.

reference-to-a-nazi
calling-someone-a-racist
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That's a good workaround. We also have a lot of -as-epithet keywords, so I'll try social-justice-warrior-as-epithet.
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