Unclear Description (new crowner 9/17/13): Fatherland get usage counts
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1 SantosLHalper19th Jun 2013 05:00:08 AM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
What exactly is this trope? Is this a Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany, or is it a misrepresentation of the actual Kaiserreich, on par with Eagleland or Glorious Mother Russia?

Also, I think we should rename this trope to something like "Der Kaiserreich", given that "Fatherland" is the name of several works.

edited 19th Jun '13 5:03:12 AM by SantosLHalper

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2 SeptimusHeap19th Jun 2013 05:05:08 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
First thing, easily. I'll try to make a better description for that.
3 SeptimusHeap20th Jun 2013 05:42:06 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
OK, revised description:

The Fantasy Counterpart Culture version of Prussia and Imperial Germany, Fatherland usually includes:

Of course, there might be an example which is a well-done historical allegory full of accurate representations of the Imperial period, but hey, why bother?

Compare Glorious Mother Russia for similar parent-country symbolism.
4 SantosLHalper20th Jun 2013 02:25:20 PM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
But why must it be a Fantasy Counterpart Culture? If we see its Russian and American equivalents, both of them are simply about exaggerated versions of the countries in question. Why must the Imperial German version be different?
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5 SeptimusHeap20th Jun 2013 02:27:39 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Because that is the description. A redefinition may be an option there.

edited 20th Jun '13 2:28:32 PM by SeptimusHeap

6 SantosLHalper21st Jun 2013 08:29:00 AM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
I myself advocate changing the description to 'exaggerated Imperial Germany'. Anyone else agree?
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7 SeptimusHeap21st Jun 2013 08:32:28 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
I am not sure if "The Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany" and "Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany" are something that ought to be lumped.
8 SantosLHalper22nd Jun 2013 08:21:58 AM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
Why not? Also, can we get feedback from more people?
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9 StarSword22nd Jun 2013 12:53:57 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
@Septimus: You're right, they shouldn't be lumped. They should be swapped and the FCC examples put on FCC.
10 Spark923rd Jun 2013 01:02:01 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
So why is this called Father Land? That sounds not even remotely German, and is an established term for something much broader (the same as Motherland, really; several dozen countries use either term), and is the name of a 1992 novel, 1994 movie, a BBC radio play, and a street in Nashville.
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11 SeptimusHeap23rd Jun 2013 01:44:26 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
I do not know. It was started in 2008.
12 Larkmarn23rd Jun 2013 08:24:22 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, needs a new name.

... the first thing that comes to mind for me is Iron Eagle Land.
13 SantosLHalper23rd Jun 2013 04:02:44 PM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
As noted in the OP, I'm rather fond of "The Kaiserreich".
"They may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!"
14 AnotherDuck23rd Jun 2013 05:59:02 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]That just sounds wrong with an English article.
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15 SeptimusHeap26th Jun 2013 04:39:10 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
As well as sounding like The Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany instead of a Fantasy Counterpart Culture.
16 SantosLHalper26th Jun 2013 09:17:31 AM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
Why do we need "Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany" when there already ''is'' a Fantasy Counterpart Culture trope? I'm in favour of re-defining it to "Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany" and renaming it.

edited 26th Jun '13 9:17:55 AM by SantosLHalper

"They may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!"
17 SeptimusHeap26th Jun 2013 09:23:03 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Flip The Theme Park Version and Fantasy Counterpart Culture around in that post and you'll see why.
18 SantosLHalper26th Jun 2013 09:52:14 AM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
[up]

There are also tropes for the Theme Park Version of America, the Soviet Union, Japan, Scotland, and Ireland as well. Hell, there an entire index of Theme Park Version tropes that apply for regions, while there are almost no Fantasy Counterpart Culture sub-tropes, and the one major one only seems to be when it sticks out of the rest of the setting.

edited 26th Jun '13 9:54:20 AM by SantosLHalper

"They may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!"
19 SeptimusHeap26th Jun 2013 10:06:05 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Also, what you are proposing is a complete description shift. I am not seeing a good reason for it and "because these other articles are like this, this article should be like these too" is too weak a reason.
20 Willbyr26th Jul 2013 06:08:24 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set.
21 Spark926th Jul 2013 07:09:04 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Special trousers. Very heroic.
22 Willbyr30th Jul 2013 03:52:45 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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23 SantosLHalper31st Jul 2013 07:02:50 PM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
...so, any ideas for new names for this trope?
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24 SantosLHalper8th Aug 2013 07:49:27 AM from The Canterlot of the North
A Gentlecolt and a Bard
Bumping...
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25 Spark98th Aug 2013 08:17:30 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
"Kaiser Reich" was suggested above, I think that works.
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Alternative Titles: Fatherland
9th Sep '13 4:58:28 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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