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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 30 2009 5:42 AM

How often does Logos add book to the community pricing ? When one starts getting produced do they just replace it, keeping a certain amount ?

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 7:28 AM

In the past it has kind of come in spurts. I think Logos has been a bit disappointed by the response to Community Pricing. Several years ago Logos was looking at ways of bringing more public domain works into Logos and they originally proposed dumbed down version of Logos for these works. This was not met with much support in the old newsgroup. People made it clear they wanted full versions, not dumbed down versions. So Logos came out this the idea of Community Pricing. In theory it should work great. If large numbers in the Logos community bid on works we would be getting public domain works in full Logos format for just a few dollars per work. No one quite knows why more people have not participated in Community Pricing. I hope as new users come into the community because of L4, Community Pricing will take off.

What is really odd is I think I can recall someone from Logos saying that on one occasion more people purchase a former Community Pricing Worked at the higher Pre-Pub price than those that purchased it at the low Community Pricing price. (Once a work leaves Community Pricing, it moves to the Pre-Pub page.) This really shows that people are seriously misunderstanding this program.

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 7:33 AM

I've never been particularly interested in anything on Community Pricing; I wish more of the popular Pre-Pubs went there first, perhaps we'd get them cheaper... Zondervan collection on community pricing anyone? Smile

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 7:34 AM

Barnes Notes is a good example of how this programme is not working sadly. It has been languishing forever.

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 7:35 AM

I think it boils down to people not understanding how community pricing really works.  The pricing model is confusing.  Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???

I'd also say the graphs they use add to the confustion.

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 8:07 AM

Jon Rumble:

I've never been particularly interested in anything on Community Pricing; I wish more of the popular Pre-Pubs went there first, perhaps we'd get them cheaper... Zondervan collection on community pricing anyone? Smile

 

Joe,

This is part of the misunderstanding. Community Pricing was never intended for newer, copyrighted books, but only public domain. Sure most public domain stuff can be found on the internet for free, but I enjoy reading it so much more in Logos and to have it intergrated in your Logos library is worth the it to me.

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 8:12 AM

P. Keith Larson:
Community Pricing was never intended for newer, copyrighted books, but only public domain. Sure most public domain stuff can be found on the internet for free

Fair enough; I guess that explains my experience then...

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 9:10 AM

I also wonder how many users even know about the community pricing page?

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Stephen Thorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 9:31 AM

I haven't used the Community Pricing Page because:

1. There just hasn't been anything there that I have particularly felt the need to bid for and:

2. it doesn't seem particularly easy to use, or more importantly to understand. It would be helpful if there were some clearer examples about using it, and if good books could be advertised more prominently. 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 9:55 AM

Stephen Thorp:
2. it doesn't seem particularly easy to use, or more importantly to understand.
Here are the instructions.

1. Find something you want.

2. Click on the price you are willing to pay.

3. When the little dots go above the line, the book goes into production.

4. You will get an email saying letting you know when this happens.

Does that help?  I am curious to know, which part do you find particularly hard and difficult to comprehend?

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T MacLeod | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 10:18 AM

Jeremiah Daniel Morris:

I think it boils down to people not understanding how community pricing really works.  The pricing model is confusing.  Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???

I'd also say the graphs they use add to the confustion.

I also find the graphs are unnecessarily confusing.  If $8 is closer to the line than $10, will I push it closer to the line by clicking on $8 than $10?  I wondered that for a while.  I'm assuming that what happens is that each price point up to and including my bid rises when I bid, so that if one more $8 bid was required, and I bid $10, my $10 bid would cover it and be counted as an $8 bid.  It took me a while to figure that out, though.

It hasn't stopped me from bidding on a couple of things, though, including Bible Studies by Adolph Deissman, which has appeared to be on the verge of reaching 100% for a while now.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 10:36 AM

Jeremiah Daniel Morris:
Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???
Not everyone has had coursework in basic economics, so I can see why you might be confused.  Here is the Wikipedia article on Supply and Demand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

You may want to read on the section on Demand Curve Shifts.

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William Dirr | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 1:20 PM

I am also disappointed at the repsonse to CP. There are so many good public domain resources that this could be a major blessing. I got Anselm for 4 bucks, fully intergrated in L3, and now L4. The Aquinas stuff should be flying off the shelves. They could have Pascal, Paley, Raymond Lull, all kinds of Classical Christian stuff for cheap. I really hope this thing takes off in '10. Also, I think it is about time to add C.S. Lewis to Logos.  

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 1:39 PM

Joe Miller:

Jeremiah Daniel Morris:
Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???
Not everyone has had coursework in basic economics, so I can see why you might be confused.  Here is the Wikipedia article on Supply and Demand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

You may want to read on the section on Demand Curve Shifts.

Happy New Year!

Thank you Joe! Your reply posts to those of us who are not as wise as you are always most edifing...

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 1:53 PM

William Dirr:

 I think it is about time to add C.S. Lewis to Logos.  

I agree... Yes

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 2:06 PM

Here are links to Logos blog explaining how the community pricing works

   

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Jeremy White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 2:09 PM

I think the single best way to get people more interested in the Community Pricing section is to significantly increase the titles listed. Because we talking mainly about public domain works (so no licensing issues) and (if I understand the process properly) no actual out of pocket expenses upfront except to have someone calculate how much they need to accumulate to pay for production and then add it to the page then why don't we have much more options to vote on? (essentially that is what we're doing)

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 2:36 PM

Jeremiah Daniel Morris:

Joe Miller:

Jeremiah Daniel Morris:
Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???
Not everyone has had coursework in basic economics, so I can see why you might be confused.  Here is the Wikipedia article on Supply and Demand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

You may want to read on the section on Demand Curve Shifts.

Happy New Year!

Thank you Joe! Your reply posts to those of us who are not as wise as you are always most edifing...

I feel there is a bit of sarcasm in your response (and maybe I am wrong), if so I am sorry you felt slighted by my post.  There are 10,000 users on this forum and Logos has 700,000 users worldwide.  With all those people, there are obviously some people who are not familiar with the American form of Capitalistic Economics and how demand influences price.  I also have friends who went to Bible school, but never had the opportunity to study basic Econ. What we all share in common is love of learning (and Jesus too).  You stated your confusion about how a bid for $30 would turn into a price of $10 and I thought the link might help satisfy your natural curiosity.  

It has nothing to do with "wisdom", just background and in some cases culture.  I hope I am misreading the sarcasm in your reply, but if not... once again, my apologies if my comment made you feel foolish or unwise.  

 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 2:37 PM

Ted Hans:
Here are links to Logos blog explaining how the community pricing works
Those links are much better than mine Ted, thanks for finding them on the blog. Yes

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 2:41 PM

Thanks Joe, for thanking me. Happy New year.

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