IRC log for #koha, 2009-12-11

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00:02 chris back
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00:03 chris_n2 g'evening
00:05 chris heya chris_n2
00:05 chris_n2 tired, but fine otherwise
00:06 * chris_n2 catches up on the mail
00:06 chris theres been tons of it lately
00:08 chris_n2 chris: nice response to andrea's post
00:08 chris i couldnt really think of any other way to say it
00:09 chris_n2 yeah, I think she sort of missed the point of my response
00:10 chris_n2 wow... nice feature by michael hafen
00:11 chris oh, i mighta missed that one, what was it?
00:11 chris_n2 patron sync tool
00:11 chris hmmm lemme look
00:12 chris oh yeah, that is sweet
00:12 chris_n2 it allows sync of patrons with another db
00:17 chris very cool
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00:53 chris_n2 I've some weirdness with koha on win32 as a dev install which did not occur when installed in a single directory
00:53 chris_n2 I can log into the staff interface fine
00:54 chris_n2 once at the home page, clicking on any link results in a 500 error
00:54 chris_n2 the 500 error is *not* the koha 500 error page
00:54 chris_n2 there are no helpful lines in any of the logs
00:55 chris_n2 it appears that foo.pl is not being reached
00:55 imp chris: can't we just ban the cgi script? (at least the default names, CGI*, guess the ones who setup a name there, behave much better :)
00:55 chris_n2 and it may be a file permission problem
00:55 chris_n2 any thoughts?
00:55 imp (but it might be mistaken if somebody can not join)
00:56 chris we could but they'd still be on the server then
00:56 chris id rather just remove the script
00:57 chris having one that you cant use, seems pointless
00:57 imp yeah, but maybe it can speedup the removal of the script
00:57 chris i doubt it
00:57 chris LL don't care
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00:59 imp do they use the host for their own irc stuff too?
01:00 chris probably not, but even they did, they havent been on here for months anyway
01:01 imp k
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01:23 Genji liblime-- # No communication.
01:24 Genji Wish we could edit liblimes wiki.. but we don't have any independant, non-original research.
01:26 chris 276 days
01:27 Genji Hmm?
01:27 chris since joshua was last on here
01:27 Genji Ah
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02:00 brendan so mdhafen's patch is consider a new enhancement - so it doesn't get into 3.2?
02:00 brendan silly question - who keeps track of that?
02:01 brendan obviously (I'll make a note of it so it gets put somewhere)
02:11 chris galen
02:11 chris and i
02:11 chris as soon as a 3.2.x branch is made, then it can go into master
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02:33 pennmanor test
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03:35 Amit heya chris, chris_n2
03:35 Amit good morning @koha
03:59 pianohacker hi, Amit
04:01 Amit hi pianohacker
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04:14 brendan hi Amit
04:14 brendan hi pianohacker
04:14 pianohacker Hi brendan
04:14 brendan got it right that time :)
04:14 Amit heya brendan
04:15 Amit brendan: i m getting this error http://old.nabble.com/Amazon-j[…]2-td24169316.html
04:15 brendan yeah that's a bug in the current HEAD
04:15 brendan Amit are you on HEAD
04:15 Amit no i m using 3.0.2 one of our customer
04:16 Amit so amazon cover is not appear on normal view
04:16 brendan sorry Amit - just read your post right now
04:16 Amit k
04:17 brendan you need to get a See: http://aws.amazon.com. Note that this is required after 2009/08/15 in order to retrieve any enhanced content other than book covers from Amazon.
04:17 brendan you need to get a - AWSPrivateKey
04:17 Amit ok
04:17 Amit i m also seeing http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]bebf3e05a08830235
04:18 brendan yup -- After 2009-08-15
04:18 brendan is the important part
04:18 brendan pianohacker fill in if I'm wrong
04:18 brendan or if you have a more graceful way of saying it
04:18 brendan :)
04:19 brendan bbias
04:19 Amit bbias means
04:19 Amit brendan
04:21 pianohacker be back in a second
04:24 brendan back
04:28 Amit brendan: so i should apply this patch on 3.02
04:29 brendan Amit - in your system preferences do you see a spot for AWSPrivateKey
04:29 Amit no
04:35 brendan it looks like you'll need an update to get that to work again
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06:49 pianohacker night
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06:57 Genji Wow, the private library im working for, is installing koha on a dedicated quad core. its going to rock.
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07:28 Ropuch Morning #koha
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08:54 Genji omg, hi rach!
08:54 Genji rach++
08:54 kf good morning :)
08:55 Genji Good to see katipo back in koha action... and in #koha.
08:56 Ropuch >
08:56 Ropuch Guten Morgen kf, hi Genji
08:57 kf Guten Morgen Ropuch
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09:43 |Lupin| hi
09:44 kf Guten morgen Lupin
09:47 |Lupin| guten tag kf :)
09:52 |Lupin| bbl
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10:02 CGI285 when I want to configure zebra by 'sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml'
10:02 CGI285 it show fatal http://pastebin.org/63465
10:03 CGI285 how can I fix it? I have completed web installer
10:04 Genji CGI285: one way to possiblly fix your irc disconnecting problem. http://www.mibbit.com
10:05 Genji Ajax based web client
10:08 CGI285 Genji: ok,
10:08 CGI285 Genji:
10:08 CGI285 how can I fix this error of zebra
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11:22 CGI285 any one there to help me??
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12:01 Amit happy weekend to all
12:02 imp think there are still some hours of work left ;)
12:02 imp thanks Amit :)
12:02 Amit hi imp
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12:06 CGI285 I have problem in zebra configuration
12:06 CGI285 I have prob
12:06 CGI285 'sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml'
12:07 CGI285 above command is not working it show fatal http://pastebin.org/63456
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12:19 CGI639 when I want to run sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
12:19 CGI639 It show fatal http://pastebin.org/63465
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12:37 CGI639 is there any one to help me
12:37 CGI639 ??
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12:41 imp CGI639: check if it's already running, if not -> try to delete the files (the ones it's complaining about) and try again
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12:43 hdl_laptop CGI639: either zebra is already launched, or you have socket files already polluting your var/run/zebradb/ directory
12:43 hdl_laptop CGI639: or you have permission problems on this directory
12:44 CGI639 hdl_laptop: so wht should I do?
12:44 CGI639 I have run and completed web installer also
12:45 CGI639 imp>>how can I check plz tell me commands
12:45 hdl_laptop ps ax |grep zebra
12:46 imp CGI639: see the one hdl_laptop posted, and please do not use coloured text for messages here
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13:03 CGI639 imp:ok
13:10 CGI639 hdl_laptop: I have tried this happen. Im unable to understand it. http://pastebin.org/63500
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13:24 imp CGI639: you've got already a zebraserv running
13:25 imp (that's the reason why you cannot start another one)
13:27 CGI639 imp: could u with me as I can complete the koha
13:30 imp CGI639: maybe. describe your problem
13:30 CGI639 http://pastebin.org/63507
13:32 imp the variable $koha is not set, so your shell uses the path as username (which is bad)
13:32 CGI639 how can I set it?
13:32 imp guess you need to replace ${koha} with the actual koha username
13:33 imp or put infront of the command: koha=theusernamehere sudo -u ...
13:35 CGI639 I tried but not working these commands
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13:37 owen Hi #koha
13:38 imp heyho owen
13:39 CGI639 imp: http://pastebin.org/63511
13:41 imp CGI639: you have to replace "theusernamehere" with the username you gave koha....
13:43 imp and your prompt says, you are inside your home directory - did you extract the koha installationfiles right there, not inside a subfolder?
13:45 nengard you can always tell what part of the manual I'm working on by reading the bug reports I'm putting in :)  today it's serials
13:55 CGI639 imp: i also replaced 'the usernamehere' with koha but same thing appear
13:55 CGI639 'koha' is the username of  my koha
13:55 owen nengard++ # for bug reports!
13:56 owen jransom++ # for bug reports!
13:56 nicomo @wunder lyon france
13:56 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 8.6ï¿½C (2:00 PM CET on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 4.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 7.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady).
13:56 CGI639 my home directory is /home/nouman
13:56 CGI639 and I extract there koha installation files
13:57 imp CGI639: what does "ls | grep koha" print?
13:58 CGI639 imp: nothing
13:58 imp and "ls misc" ?
14:00 CGI639 ls: cannot access misc: no such file or directory
14:00 imp no big surprise that you cannot run the commands
14:01 imp use "cd /path/to/your/kohainstall" and then try it again...
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14:05 nengard owen wish i could fix more of these bugs that i'm reporting - goal for 2010 - both of us (you and me) save up enough for Perl classes ;)
14:05 owen That goal conflicts with a trip to KohaCon 2010 (unless I consider that my Perl class!)
14:07 CGI639 'imp: ls | grep koha'
14:07 CGI639 return: 'koha'
14:08 CGI639 and 'ls misc' return 'magic magic.mgc magic.mime pci.ids usb.ids'
14:10 hdl_laptop nengard++ and jransom++ too
14:10 nengard owen - yeah .. hmmm okay - by 2011 :) hehe
14:12 imp CGI639: and "pwd" returns /usr/share/ ? don't think you got the right folder.... but i dont know what you've done so far
14:12 CGI639 yeah pwd return /usr/share
14:13 CGI639 I have intalled koha in default location and did not change it
14:19 CGI639 imp: wht shoud I do?
14:20 CGI639 Im now in usr/share/koha
14:21 CGI639 'ls misc' return  'koha-install-log   translator'
14:21 CGI639 and 'ls|grep koha' return nothing
14:22 imp the command you try to use is still from the installation part, or?
14:23 CGI639 yeah installaion part. I m insallation koha-3.00.04_fixed on debian-lenny
14:25 imp so, if it's the installation part, go into your koha-3.00.04_fixed folder
14:25 imp and issue the command there again
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14:31 CGI639 imp: same thing occur..  http://pastebin.org/63524
14:33 CGI639 actually this command is written in the part of 'configure and start zebra -> Zebraqueue Daemon'  in documentation
14:33 imp CGI639: ... ${koha} is still not set.... just replace it with koha (you said some time before, your kohauser ist just koha)
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14:35 eiro hello all
14:35 owen Hi eiro
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14:54 CGI639 imp: i issue commands but it show no progress but hanged
15:03 imp CGI639: ok, i don't know what happens there (have no experience with zebra so far), maybe someone else can help you
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15:18 jdavidb g'mornin', wizzyrea_. :)
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15:21 veryinky :|
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15:25 owen wizzyrea__'s reception is getting better: she's up to 2 bars.
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15:25 veryinky Is there an easy way to delete a vendor? I've found a lot of ways to delete patrons or users, but can't seem to find where vendors can be deleted or removed.
15:26 veryinky (can edit vendors, but I want to delete one entirely)
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15:35 * jdavidb velcroes wizzerea_ in place.
15:36 wizzyrea_ lol sorry I've been working on our new WAP
15:36 wizzyrea_ lots of connecting/disconnecting
15:36 wizzyrea_ :P
15:36 jdavidb :P
15:38 veryinky At least you got your _ back.
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15:41 wizzyrea_ heh
15:43 veryinky Damn it. Koha crashed.
15:43 owen :|
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15:44 veryinky Empty String at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cg​i-bin/catalogue/showmarc.pl line 74
15:44 veryinky When viewing a marc record.
15:45 owen nengard: On the subscription add form, is the "Location" field mean to be "Shelving location?"
15:45 nengard that's what I think we figured
15:45 nengard there is a chat transcript on that bug that says that
15:47 owen Oh I see, Bug 3285?
15:47 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3285 critical, P5, ---, paul.poulain@biblibre.com, NEW, Location on Add Subscription should be pull down
15:48 owen Hmmm... Can't delete a subscription.
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15:50 owen Undefined subroutine &main::HasItems
15:51 veryinky hrm
15:51 veryinky The following fatal error has occurred: Can't call method "as_formatted" on an undefined value
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16:02 nengard sorry owen - didn't see the other question - yes, that's the bug
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16:20 schuster I know this is beyond Koha - but I'm trying to fileshare with a windows server I have looked at this page http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/[…]-under-linux.html but
16:20 schuster The other server seems to be rejecting my request?
16:21 schuster Open for suggestions...  My debian box isn't running a windows client so I'm doing it from command line - I've read a few other pages, but they all talk about the GUI Debian.
16:21 owen nengard: I notice that when I edit a subscription the "manual history" block is open. Is that to be expected, or a bug?
16:21 nengard owen - hang on - let me try to edit and see what you mean
16:22 * indradg is looking for an easy answer about Koha and CAS, is there any examples out there?
16:22 * indradg is looking towards BibLibre stuff
16:23 nengard Hmm - what do you call the manual history box?
16:23 nengard everything I see open is supposed to be open
16:23 owen nengard: The block that appears when you check the "manual history" checkbox.
16:23 nengard hey look at that :)
16:24 nengard I've never clicked manual history
16:24 owen When I edit my subscription that block is open, but the manual history checkbox is unchecked. In this case checking the box hides the block
16:24 nengard that's wrong ...
16:24 nengard I think
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16:29 slef should bug 3848 be reassigned to chris?
16:29 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3848 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Suggestions - Reasons not showing
16:33 hdl_laptop slef: he sent a patch for that.
16:33 slef hdl_laptop: yes, so should it be assigned to him or you?  Also, where is the patch?
16:33 hdl_laptop slef: sent on list.
16:34 slef hdl_laptop: I searched http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]es/2009-December/ for the bug number without finding it.
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16:34 hdl_laptop slef: I thought the assignee was meant to be the one who actually copes with the bug.
16:35 slef hdl_laptop: I think so too, but we've two bugs which are unassigned but patched, which seems wrong.
16:35 hdl_laptop Fixing suggestions management page,Authorised values werent being passed through
16:35 slef I can't think of a situation where PATCH-Sent NEW bugs should exist
16:36 slef http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]ember/004975.html
16:36 owen slef: Sounds like we all need a reminder. I'm sure I'm guilty of it too..Probably today :)
16:36 slef pasting link into bug
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16:37 slef owen: sure, everyone makes mistakes. I just had some time to browse the bugs (first time in ages)
16:37 owen hdl_laptop: Are you the person to ask about subscription-add.pl?
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16:38 hdl_laptop yes
16:39 owen hdl_laptop: I notice when you edit a subscription the "manual history" block is visible, even if you did not create the subscription with "manual history" checked
16:39 wizzyrea nahuel: about?
16:40 owen The template checks for "history": <!--TMPL_IF Name="history"--> $("#subscription_form_history").show()
16:40 wizzyrea bug 3987 what were the symptoms of this?
16:40 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3987 was not found.
16:40 wizzyrea bug 3897
16:40 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3897 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Holds policies and CircControl
16:40 owen hdl_laptop: ...and in subscription_add.pl: history => ($op eq 'mod'),
16:41 wizzyrea bah
16:44 hdl_laptop nahuel went
16:44 slef can anyone explain bug 2332 to me more clearly?
16:44 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2332 blocker, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, holds queue script should target as many items as are available
16:44 wizzyrea yea, I consulted the list. I was sad.
16:45 wizzyrea slef: there has been a lot of work in this area, I wonder if this bug is still valid
16:45 wizzyrea ...not sure how you'd test it :(
16:46 hdl_laptop owen: is there a bug for it ?
16:46 hdl_laptop I will have someone see that.
16:46 wizzyrea slef: maybe he means that if there are multiple holds on an item, the holds pick list will only target one per run?
16:47 wizzyrea even if there are multiple items available to fill multiple holds at the same time
16:47 owen hdl_laptop: No, I was about to file one.
16:47 slef per run of what?
16:47 wizzyrea of the holds queue
16:47 wizzyrea (sorry, we call the holds queue the pick list, I'll try to be more accurate)
16:47 hdl_laptop owen: please do
16:47 slef wizzyrea: the cronjob or something else?
16:47 wizzyrea yes the cronjob
16:47 slef oic
16:48 slef wizzyrea: thanks
16:48 wizzyrea if we were on more current code I'd volunteer to test this as we have lots of holds/items
16:48 wizzyrea :(
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16:49 slef yes, I think I need to set up a copy of one of our libraries and try upgrading it to 3.2 instead of using toy examples that have simple holds and so on
16:50 sekjal wizzyrea: I've been looking at turnkeylinux.org and how to make a Koha appliance.  If I have any success, perhaps that would help with the testing
16:51 wizzyrea sekjal: definitely
16:51 wizzyrea I love turnkeylinux
16:52 sekjal after you mentioned it, it got me on a whole "make it easier to install and test Koha" kick
16:52 sekjal messing with it will be part of my Monday
16:52 Ropuch Woo, new pootle
16:52 owen hdl_laptop: Reported. Bug 3908
16:52 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3908 normal, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Edit subscription page shows manual history block by default
16:53 wizzyrea sekjal: :D yes, it should be easier, and it can be, I know it can
16:53 wizzyrea sekjal: I'm kind of on about this idea of the iPhone interface/iphone app/backpack barcode scanners for iPod touches
16:54 wizzyrea seems like such an elegant solution
16:54 wizzyrea or using the cam
16:54 wizzyrea well
16:54 wizzyrea some won't like it because it's not android :P
16:54 sekjal it would be nice to be able to work with a handheld device in the stacks
16:55 sekjal and if that device can be something staff members already have on them, all the better
17:01 owen "sorry boss, the next Koha upgrade will require all staff to carry iPhones"
17:01 owen Boss "Oh no!"
17:01 owen Staff: "Yay!"
17:01 wizzyrea staff "Cheer!"
17:02 jdavidb lol
17:02 owen nengard: You're a Blackberry user aren't you?
17:02 nengard owen yes
17:02 nengard wish i was a droid user instead though ...
17:03 * jdavidb cobbles up a Koha interface for Windows Mobile in his copious free time.
17:03 nengard LOL
17:03 owen I'm curious about whether your Blackberry gets served mobile sites designed for the iPhone
17:03 wizzyrea you know, I adore my iPhone, but the droid kind of gets my gadget lust going
17:05 Ropuch If only n900 wasn't so expensive... ;>
17:05 jdavidb If I didn't have an early cancel penalty, I'd flush mine down the commode, and not get another one.
17:07 Ropuch jdavidb: speaking of N900?
17:07 Ropuch I haven't got an opportunity to lay my hands on it yet
17:07 jdavidb No, I have a Motorola Q9c, running WinMo.  It works *fine*, and makes a dandy mobile web browser.
17:08 Ropuch '?
17:08 jdavidb I don't place five calls a month on it, though.
17:08 Ropuch ;>
17:08 jdavidb Definitely *not* worth what I'm paying for it.  It's nice getting email in my pocket and all, but I'd give that up to get back the cash.
17:09 slef iphones seem a bit of a pig to code for - lots of special CSS and meta tags
17:09 slef but you know, some designers will mess about for it because it's apple
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17:10 slef the beret brigate effect
17:18 schuster Has anyone seen a scanner that could be attached to an iphone or ipod touch?
17:19 owen schuster: There are iphone apps which use the built-in camera as a scanner, I think
17:20 owen Otherwise I don't think you can "attach" anything to an iPhone or iPod touch
17:28 owen hdl_laptop: When I do a search for a subscription the search results page includes the heading "Search for Serial Routing List"
17:30 owen hdl_laptop: I'm curious what circumstances would require that heading to be shown
17:32 wizzyrea owen actually at the apple store they have barcode/card scanners backpacked to ipod touches as POS devices
17:32 wizzyrea (POS = point of sale)
17:32 owen The other interpretation would be all wrong for an Apple store right? ;)
17:33 wizzyrea lol
17:33 wizzyrea owen: of course (she says, typing on her 21in iMac)
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17:46 sekjal idea: for each of the <module>-home pages in the staff interface, enable a widgetizable Dashboard.  The system could be configured to display certain blocks with useful, realtime stats, work queues and important messages.
17:53 nengard sekjal - love it - you gonna do it :) ?
17:53 nengard owen - sorry had a conference call - I don't know - what's the URL for a page that is designed for the iphone that i can visit?
17:54 sekjal nengard:  thinking about the data structure required right now.
17:54 sekjal unfortunately, it's probably a lower priority on my institution's development list than other things
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17:55 owen nengard: How about http://app.showtime-app.com
17:56 nengard trying now
17:56 nengard yup
17:57 nengard it's a red page with a watchlist and a weekly schedule
17:57 nengard etc
17:57 nengard but clicking the links doesn't work
18:00 * owen doesn't like that some Bugzilla components are still by default assigned to people who won't fix them
18:04 sekjal oh dear.  thinking about widgets in the staff client has spun into a complete redesign with AJAX and a whole new template/plugin system.
18:04 * sekjal brings his mind back to reality, and contemplates lunch
18:05 owen Lunch is a much more manageable project
18:06 sekjal thing is, I know I could do it.... I just don't have enough time.
18:06 veryinky :|
18:06 sekjal not lunch, the other thing.
18:06 sekjal I'll make time for lunch
18:07 sekjal like right now!
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18:11 schuster nengard - target.com - checks browser evidently ...
18:11 nengard owne - i'm with you on that - kind of annoying - but we need people to volunteer to take them over :(
18:11 wizzyrea heh
18:11 wizzyrea wpmu.test.nekls.org/iphone
18:11 wizzyrea i'm working on this atm :P
18:12 wizzyrea I think the very hard part will be formatting/using the results/detail pages
18:12 wizzyrea landing page is ez
18:13 wizzyrea flip your phone, it honors your orientation :P
18:13 veryinky I showed my boss the koha setup I did, he checked out some marc21 records. Asked if I could make it so they're entirely in french... "000 -LEADER " "020 ## - INTERNATIONAL STANDARD BOOK NUMBER " is that actually possible?
18:19 owen What information should display under the "serial data" column in the OPAC view of a serial title?
18:22 veryinky Was that for me?
18:24 owen veryinky: No, I'm just asking anyone who might know
18:25 veryinky Ah, sorry. Only been using koha for 2 weeks no, so it'd be surprising if I knew.
18:31 wizzyrea um.. you would have to visit that link with your iphone or ipod touch :P
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18:45 owen Is there a difference, in Koha terminology, between a supplier, a vendor, and a bookseller?
18:48 * owen will have to take his answer off the air
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18:55 collum wizzyrea: Until my boss gets me the iphone I have to use an emulator.  I'm using one at http://www.testiphone.com/
18:55 collum Should I be seeing more?
18:56 collum I evidently don't trust emulators.
18:59 wizzyrea no, there's just a search box and login/logout boxes
18:59 collum Cool. Thanks.
18:59 wizzyrea yea, that emulator doesn't show what's actually there
18:59 wizzyrea :(
18:59 collum Not Cool.  Maybe I'll try another one.
19:00 wizzyrea that's interesting, I will fix the "no display" thing when I get back from lunch :)
19:00 wizzyrea |
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19:03 cait hi #koha
19:04 chris hiya cait
19:04 brendan heya cait
19:04 cait hiya chris :)
19:05 brendan morning chris
19:05 chris cait: our friend ben is back
19:05 chris http://www.coloradolibraries.o[…]-libraries-unite/
19:06 cait uh
19:06 * cait goes reading
19:09 cait 2 minutes betwen yours and nicoles comment :)
19:11 chris hehe, so there is
19:12 chris i blame google reader :)
19:13 cait had to look up derogatory
19:14 chris i think ben uses that word, because he is so familiar with it, I can't think of a comment he has made that hasn't been derogatory
19:15 cait but I think he gave up on the mailing lists
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19:17 chris oh man .. a koha express question ...
19:17 chris ill leave that for someone else to answer
19:18 chris hmm i wonder if sekjal would be interested in the koha preconferene
19:19 chris +c
19:19 nengard what koha preconf?
19:19 chris email just hit the mailing list
19:19 cait chris: which mail?
19:19 chris from jodi schneider .. code4lib conference
19:19 cait ah found it
19:20 nengard ah - email
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19:30 brendan sekjal - you about?
19:31 sekjal brendan: yes
19:31 brendan hi
19:31 sekjal hey
19:31 brendan yeah let's say that we do a hackfest at code4lib
19:31 sekjal sounds good to me.
19:31 brendan you can talk about your ideas and roadmap for course reserves or something
19:32 brendan gmcharlt you about?
19:32 brendan would be good to get galen there and have him do a session on coding or on 3.2 roadmap release
19:32 sekjal yes, yes it would
19:33 sekjal so, we could do presentations in the first half of the day, discuss ideas and such, then tackle bugs/draft code in the second?
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19:35 chris sounds good to me
19:36 chris maybe make up some certificates, every bug fixed earns you one :)
19:36 nengard hehe
19:39 brendan sounds good -- let me write up some notes - I send them to you sekjal and then you can submit it to jodi
19:39 sekjal brendan:  agreed.
19:40 brendan anyone else that is on the channel going to code4lib?
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19:45 brendan sekjal - mail on it's way
19:46 wizzyrea is this still a problem bug 2331
19:46 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2331 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, holds queue report not working with item-level holds
19:47 sekjal brendan:  received
19:47 wizzyrea I *think* it's working on our install, if I understand correctly the problem is that if you item level hold, that item won't show on the hold queue?
19:47 wizzyrea (sorry I was looking at slef's wonderful but analysis)
19:48 wizzyrea s/but/bug
19:48 wizzyrea (and if that's true it's hell and gone fixed... heh)
19:49 nengard iono but i can try it ...
19:50 wizzyrea i've missed my hold queue opportunities for today
19:50 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]eedd46ca749d026d1
19:51 chris there was a patch sent to fix it, and it was applied, id mark it patch sent and resolved fix wizzyrea
19:52 wizzyrea ohh, thank you for that chris
19:53 nengard oh - guess i don't need to try :)
19:53 nengard still finding little things here and there with acq & serials
19:53 nengard most of which I have been able to fix myself
19:56 wizzyrea done :)
19:56 wizzyrea slef: did you test bug 2332?
19:56 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2332 blocker, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, holds queue script should target as many items as are available
19:56 wizzyrea that commit chris just linked claims to resolve it
20:00 chris lol now we have people confusing express and evegreen, this is madness
20:00 nengard well - i'm sorry - it's stupid name - just call it what it is - Koha
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20:03 wizzyrea yes, it's a stupid name
20:04 wizzyrea I think (hope) I cleared that one up
20:04 wizzyrea that line of questioning
20:04 wizzyrea that is
20:04 * wizzyrea runs around in circles yelling "that! that! that!"
20:05 chris thanks wizzyrea
20:05 wizzyrea Yep. :)
20:06 wizzyrea I hope it was clear enough >.<
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20:08 wizzyrea Is this still really a blocker? Did anyone follow through on the suggestions or is it "working enough for now" that it's really not blocking anything? bug 2340
20:08 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2340 blocker, P3, ---, rch@liblime.com, NEW, Conflict with ability to place holds for notforloan status == -1 (item On Order)
20:10 jdavidb chris, we'd need a whole case of paper to print all the certificates you'd get.
20:10 * chris looks
20:10 * jdavidb is catching up with scrollback.
20:10 chris brendan: http://www.wotzon.com/eventlis[…]?event_id=5024713
20:10 jdavidb you suggested a certificate for a bug fixed...  :P
20:11 chris ahhh
20:11 chris heh
20:11 chris wizzyrea: lemme look at the commits, do we have a separate column for not for hold now?
20:14 chris ah yes
20:14 chris in the  /cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl
20:15 chris you can set reserves allowed count
20:15 chris set that to 0 for your itemtype, and no reserves allowed, no longer a blocker, resolved fixed by work done with issuing and fine rules
20:18 wizzyrea I like this game!
20:20 chris :)
20:22 sekjal brendan:  got held up on the email when a coworker came in asking for a brief serials tutorial
20:22 sekjal almost there...
20:23 chris :)
20:23 brendan sekjal++   no sorries
20:24 brendan no worries either
20:24 brendan ok need to turn the heat on here -- fingers are miss-typing all over the place
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20:53 slef wizzyrea: not yet
20:53 wizzyrea kk ty
20:54 wizzyrea I got additional info that leads me to believe that it is fixed, not the least of which is that it works for us, and we are running on June code.
20:56 slef RESOLVED FIXED :) wizzyrea++
20:56 wizzyrea ^.^
20:57 * wizzyrea faints... that's two in one week!
20:58 sekjal cheers, all; time for a retirement party upstairs
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21:00 |Lupin| hello folks !
21:02 brendan @wunder 93117
21:02 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.7ï¿½C (12:58 PM PST on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 10.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch for the recent burn areas until 2 PM PST...
21:03 brendan flash flood - oh joy munin
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21:15 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:15 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 3.0ï¿½C (10:00 PM CET on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
21:16 imp @wunder hannover germany
21:16 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 3.0ï¿½C (9:50 PM CET on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 1.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
21:16 imp same ;)
21:16 pianohackr|work @wunder 81212
21:17 munin pianohackr|work: The current temperature in Franklin Ave - Downtown, Canon City, Colorado is 6.5ï¿½C (2:10 PM MST on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -9.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 5.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling).
21:17 pianohackr|work woohoo, balmy weather, t-shirts and shorts weather at last
21:20 |Lupin| has anyone a clue re:the indexin problem I mentionned on the Koha list earlier today, pls ?
21:21 pianohackr|work not any obvious tips, unfortunately, zebra indexing is... touchy :/
21:21 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: yeah this is something I noticed, too... :)
21:22 pianohackr|work You might try running the rebuild_zebra and zebrasrv with the -v flag
21:22 pianohackr|work lots of output, but some of it's occasionally helpful
21:22 |Lupin| what Koha tries to search for is "mc-ccode:24"
21:22 |Lupin| does that look correct ?
21:23 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: yep, I may try this, thanks
21:23 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: do you perhaps know what the mc- in front of ccode means ?
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21:25 cait lupin: is it possible that it does not work because you use numbers as codes?
21:26 cait I think i saw patches dealing with numbers in codes in other places, where this caused problems
21:26 |Lupin| cait: oh ! I didn't realise using numbers could cuse a problem !
21:27 cait im not sure about it - but perhaps its worth a try
21:27 |Lupin| cait: I may try to add an alphabetic ccode, then an item with that ccode and see if it works...
21:27 |Lupin| cait: it would be rather strange, IMO
21:28 cait i doubt I will find the patch I have in mind, but trying to
21:29 wizzyrea nengard: bug 3864 ouch, really?
21:29 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Cannot place holds in staff client
21:29 |Lupin| hey liz :)
21:30 |Lupin| cait: well, don't try too hard... :o)
21:30 wizzyrea hello |Lupin| :)
21:30 |Lupin| 22:24:06-11/12 zebraidx(15203) [warn] Index 'mc-ccode' not found in attset(s)
21:30 |Lupin| is this a serious warning o can it be safely ignored ?
21:30 chris wizzyrea: yep thats a real one, there is a bug in CanBookBeReserved
21:30 chris its on my list
21:31 |Lupin| hello chris :)
21:32 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: That's probably your error right there
21:34 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: erm... but what should I change to the configuration files ?
21:34 wizzyrea bleh that sucks lol
21:34 chris wizzyrea: or it may just be a settings thing
21:35 wizzyrea it kind of has that settings thing look to it, to me
21:36 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: Try removing the mc-ccode ccode line from ccl.properties, then changing ccode to mc-ccode in ccl.properties and bib1.att, then reindexing from scratch with the -r flag
21:36 chris yeah, the bug is actually that i cant set a rule for it :)
21:36 wizzyrea heehee
21:37 wizzyrea yea, that'd break it, for sure
21:39 nelsonf Anyone willing to field a question or two about getting e-mail notifications to run?  I believe postfix is installed.  When I type crontab -l, I see the  following line: perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t
21:39 pianohackr|work nelsonf: You also have to run the process_message_queue.pl cronjob
21:40 chris ah ha, that was upgradedatabase not fully working
21:40 nelsonf yes, this line follows: perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjob​s/process_message_queue.pl
21:41 pianohackr|work nelsonf: can you send an email using mail?
21:41 wizzyrea hmm, is there supposed to be a checkbox under renew? http://screencast.com/t/ODhmNzAwMz
21:41 wizzyrea OH OH, wait
21:41 wizzyrea scratch that
21:41 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: bib1.att does not contain any occurrence of ccode... is hat okay or is it a problem ?
21:41 wizzyrea i know what happened there.
21:41 wizzyrea false alarm!
21:42 chris ok found the bug in updatedatabase
21:42 nelsonf pianohackr|work: it's been suggested that I've got an incorrect setting in the GUI.  Using 3.0  I've looked and looked in the admin settings, though.  piano: yes I've received mail.
21:42 chris sending a patch
21:42 wizzyrea chris++
21:42 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: it did as of your email this morning...
21:42 pianohackr|work nelsonf: You can see what it's trying to send by running overdue_notices.pl with the -v and -n flags
21:44 nelsonf sorry for the *very* newbie question, but do I simply type this on the command line?  # overdue-notices.pl -v -n
21:44 nelsonf oops, overdue_notices -v -n
21:44 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: ohoh... strange I didn't se this file although I copy/pasted line by line...
21:44 pianohackr|work nelsonf: How did you install koha? (standard,dev, or single)
21:45 nelsonf not sure, how do I find out?
21:46 |Lupin| nelsonf: perhaps in misc/install_log ?
21:46 nelsonf how about About Koha in the GUI?
21:47 pianohackr|work okay, nvm, I see from your crontab output above it's standard
21:47 pianohackr|work So you would run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t -n -v
21:47 wizzyrea actually, http://screencast.com/t/ODhmNzAwMz stands, that looks weird to me
21:48 wizzyrea and what I thought caused it didn't :/
21:48 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: ?
21:48 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: bingo !! it works now ! so good intuition, thanks !!!
21:48 pianohackr|work Cool! Glad it's working
21:48 wizzyrea well, the renew column has a 0 in it? and the tablesorter can sort Previous checkouts?
21:49 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: yeah me too ! may I ask what gave you the idea to do that ?
21:50 pianohackr|work I noticed that some of the files in your email had ccode, and others mc-ccode. Most importantly, given the error message zebraidx gave you, bib1.att (presumably the bib1 attset) did not have mc-ccode
21:50 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: Something's very strange there. Have you updated recently?
21:51 wizzyrea yea, a couple of days ago... let me delete all of my intranet jquery (though none of the rest of it even goes close to this page)
21:52 wizzyrea no, it's still the same
21:52 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: I see... a vry good intuition !
21:53 nelsonf pianohackr|work: I ran the perl script.  last line: returns 0 rows at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 370.
21:53 pianohackr|work I think the added HTML/JS/CSS prefs really ought to have their own page, on a slightly related topic, the sysprefs page is a weird place for them
21:53 wizzyrea yea, I agree PHW
21:53 chris fixinated
21:54 pianohackr|work Maybe Tools -> Customize OPAC/Staff Interface
21:54 pianohackr|work ?
21:55 wizzyrea PHW: Customize Interface?
21:56 pianohackr|work Wanted to emphasize that it was for both the staff and OPAC, but that could probably go in the description on the tools page
21:56 wizzyrea I mean, why be wordy if you don't need to be
21:56 pianohackr|work right
21:56 pianohackr|work now, re: your actual problem :)
21:56 wizzyrea lol
21:56 pianohackr|work What version are you on?
21:57 wizzyrea looooking
21:57 wizzyrea 3.01.00.100
21:57 pianohackr|work Ahh, so you're on the latest broken cart button version. Let me see if I can find that problem elsewhere
21:59 pianohackr|work Uh-oh: http://demo-staff.bywatersolut[…]rrowernumber=2642 (demo/demo)
22:00 * pianohackr|work wonders if this is due to the recent database updates
22:01 brendan yup that demo is on 3.01.00.100
22:01 pianohackr|work nelsonf: Sorry for the delay; what is your overdues setup like?
22:02 wizzyrea ohhh should I file a bug?
22:02 wizzyrea maybe it's fixed in the stuff owen did...
22:03 nelsonf overdues setup - i.e. rules for various itemtypes at various branches?
22:03 pianohackr|work Yes
22:04 pianohackr|work Specifically, whether you have multiple rules for a given itemtype/branch
22:04 pianohackr|work I think I might have fixed that bug for my site and never submitted it
22:05 wizzyrea PHW: naughty!
22:05 pianohackr|work I know, 30 lashes and all that
22:05 chris owen fixed the cart thing too, there is a patch in the queue
22:05 wizzyrea phw: but I still love you
22:05 wizzyrea ok I won't bother with it then
22:05 pianohackr|work thanks wizzy :)
22:06 * brendan feeling happy hour is coming early today
22:06 wizzyrea BUT why I was really looking at that page was for  bug 3299
22:06 munin Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3299 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Sticky calendar renew date doesn't work
22:07 wizzyrea which says it was fixed, can anyone confirm?
22:08 chris says it was patched, no one has tested and marked it fixed yet
22:08 chris lemme try it
22:08 wizzyrea yea, I was hoping to do that :(
22:09 |Lupin| anyone knows whether Galen could aleady catch up with all the patches ?
22:09 pianohackr|work Oh, goodness. $ git-status # Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, # and have 47 and 734 different commit(s) each, respectively.
22:10 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: oooooooh...
22:10 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: what's themethod in these situations ?
22:11 chris rebase and fix any conflicts
22:11 |Lupin| chris: ok
22:11 pianohackr|work Well, you can either shoot yourself in the head, or rebase, test, what you can, and get ready to fix the tiny errors you've created; the first method is faster
22:11 nelsonf pianohackr|work: I have one itemtype BK for multiple branches.
22:12 pianohackr|work nelsonf: OK. Does that have multiple notices set up for it at the same branch? (like 15 days, 30, and 45, for example)
22:12 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: hmm perhaps try the second method first !!!
22:13 pianohackr|work if you insist
22:14 chris what i do
22:14 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: I do
22:15 chris is branch, get rid of master
22:15 chris checkout -b master --track origin/master
22:15 chris then you can merge from your branch, cherry-pick
22:15 chris or cherry-pick even
22:16 chris (if i think there are going to be lots of conflicts)
22:16 |Lupin| ah the famour remote-tracking branches...
22:16 pianohackr|work any particular advantages for that over a simple rebase?
22:16 |Lupin| chris: when you clone a repo, arent the branches you get set-up to track the remote ones by default ?
22:16 chris yes
22:16 chris but we are killing master
22:17 chris first
22:17 chris ie branch
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22:17 chris git branch -D master (after you have branched it)
22:17 nelsonf pianohackr|work: Im testing with one patron category, superlibrarian LIB-S.  At Home | Tools | Notice Triggers I have First : Delay 1 (Overdue Notice), then Second : Delay 2(Overdue Notice) to make testing easier...  Today I added Third: Delay 3 (Overdue Notice).  There is a second patron type that is above the LIB-S.
22:17 chris pianohackr|work: it depends if you want all your changes and/or you have fears of tons of conflicts
22:18 pianohackr|work Assuming I do want all the changes?
22:18 chris then just rebase
22:18 pianohackr|work cool. thanks for your best practices, they are appreciated :)
22:18 |Lupin| yeah
22:18 |Lupin| chris++
22:19 chris ok gotta go finish building bunk beds
22:19 chris bbiab
22:20 nelsonf I have settings on both DEFAULT and branch CFCE.  Originally I had just CFCE.
22:20 wizzyrea I keep forgetting today is friday
22:21 pianohackr|work nelsonf: try cutting it down to just the First at CFCE
22:22 nelsonf In Default should I just clear everything out, an set each of the three triggers to Delay : null and No Notice?
22:22 pianohackr|work Yup
22:22 pianohackr|work Same for second and third at cfce, for now
22:23 nelsonf done. now I check out a book due tomorrow, then wait until sunday (Delay 1) to see if it works?
22:24 pianohackr|work yup
22:26 nelsonf excellent, thanks.  have a swell weekend everyone  ...
22:26 pianohackr|work nelsonf: Good luck, feel free to bug me again if that doesn't help :)
22:27 nelsonf wildew
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22:29 |Lupin| ok, time for me to go sleeping
22:30 pianohackr|work Good night
22:30 |Lupin| tomorrow, one-person-hackfest, I'll be allowed to cooooode !
22:30 pianohackr|work Hehe
22:31 |Lupin| good end of day jese, take care
22:31 pianohackr|work you too, sÃ©bastien
22:31 |Lupin| :)
22:31 |Lupin| this name will soon be out of use :)
22:32 |Lupin| there will be a tibetan name to replace it :)
22:32 |Lupin| ok, enough chatting for today, bye all.
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22:35 wizzyrea man, chris is on fire today
22:35 wizzyrea fixing stuff all over the place
22:35 brendan you chris++
22:35 brendan yup
22:35 brendan not you
22:36 Genji chris++
22:36 Genji katipo++
22:36 Genji catalyst++
22:36 wizzyrea @karma chris
22:36 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "chris" has been increased 91 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 91.
22:36 Genji liblime--
22:36 wizzyrea ooh 9 short of 100 ;)
22:36 wizzyrea @karma liblime
22:36 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 7 times for a total karma of -7.
22:36 wizzyrea yikes
22:36 wizzyrea @karma LibLime
22:36 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "LibLime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 7 times for a total karma of -7.
22:37 wizzyrea aha, it's case insensitive, nice
22:42 wizzyrea @karma
22:42 munin wizzyrea: Highest karma: "chris" (91), "owen" (67), and "gmcharlt" (67).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-27), "failed" (-20), and "-" (-11).  You (wizzyrea) are ranked 10 out of 612.
22:42 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
22:42 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 2.0ï¿½C (4:41 PM CST on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -3.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 2.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady).
22:43 wizzyrea brr.
22:43 brendan @wunder 93317
22:43 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
22:43 brendan @wunder 93117
22:43 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.4ï¿½C (2:38 PM PST on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 10.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Falling).
22:45 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: Has it been insanely cold in kansas lately? We've been getting sub-0Â°F temps at night lately
22:46 wizzyrea PHW: yes, it has been crazy cold
22:46 wizzyrea we got an arctic screamer early this week, so cold they closed school in a lot of places
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23:08 joetho @karma joetho
23:08 munin joetho: joetho has neutral karma.
23:09 joetho well I guess it could be worse
23:09 joetho @karma johnindy
23:09 munin joetho: johnindy has neutral karma.
23:09 joetho @karma madeupnamecouldbeanyone
23:09 munin joetho: madeupnamecouldbeanyone has neutral karma.
23:09 chris_n2 @wunder 28334
23:09 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Moore Farm, Four Oaks, North Carolina is -0.3ï¿½C (6:07 PM EST on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -8.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 0.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Falling).
23:10 * chris_n2 throws more logs on the fire
23:10 joetho @karma cmon_nobody_REALLY
23:10 munin joetho: cmon_nobody_REALLY has neutral karma.
23:10 joetho ha ha ha
23:11 pianohackr|work @karma buddha
23:11 munin pianohackr|work: buddha has neutral karma.
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23:33 brendan buddha++
23:33 brendan @karma buddha
23:33 munin brendan: Karma for "buddha" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
23:34 brendan that's how it should be :)
23:35 brendan @wunder brisbane, australia
23:35 munin brendan: The current temperature in Brisbane Airport M. O, Queensland is 27.0ï¿½C (9:00 AM EST on December 12, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 20.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
23:35 brendan hey pianohacker - did you ever think about going to kohacon10 ?
23:36 brendan whoops pianohackr|work
23:36 brendan most likely that would be in the middle of your first semester in college - so I wasn't sure
23:47 pianohackr|work that's the thing
23:47 pianohackr|work Am waiting to figure that out until I have a better idea where I'm going and how that would work
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