tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post8147103686577843586..comments2018-01-12T14:43:26.851+00:00Comments on Open and Shut?: The OA Interviews: Michaël Bon, Founder of the Self-Journal of ScienceRichard Poynderhttps://plus.google.com/109680188903316748168noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-37186724092997962442016-05-31T20:25:20.278+00:002016-05-31T20:25:20.278+00:00(2/2) Having a chip on your shoulder is insuffici...(2/2)<br /><br /><i>Having a chip on your shoulder is insufficient qualification for operating as a scholarly publisher. I have documented that pseudoscientists use the &gt;automatic acceptance in schemes such as Bon&#39;s to publish their papers that quality journals reject, and I wish the interviewer had asked how Bon plans to deal with the junk science that is surely to be submitted to his new service. </i><br /><br />I think your vertical definition of scholarly publication is quite different from mine, and &quot;I&quot; am certainly not a publisher in your sense. There is no accept or reject decision in SJS, so your comparison needs some elaboration.<br /> <br />Please point me to any junk science you have seen on SJS. To me, the top-down certification logic that is implicit in the current obeisance to the IF is the reason why we see junk science. This has created a system that is akin to putting “pyromaniac firemen” in charge of putting out fires. It is a system in which value is created by a confidential “yes” from two anonymous people in a short space of time. As such, there is a good statistical chance that any “junk” work can find a publisher willing to provide a stamp of approval. As a result, authors of junk are incentivised to try and get it published.<br /> <br />With SJS, value is recognised and rewarded when authors can openly convince the majority of the community that their work is valid and valuable, so there is absolutely nothing an author can gain by uploading junk, only shame and embarrassment, or at best indifference.<br /> <br />Consequently, a natural self-selection takes place, with authors only posting papers that they believe can withstand global scrutiny. So there is no junk, only a decision over time as to whether a paper is deemed to be correct or wrong.Michael Bonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07469026203952896261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-9327954497844098492016-05-31T20:24:42.856+00:002016-05-31T20:24:42.856+00:00(1/2) Dear Jeffrey, Thank you for your interest...(1/2)<br /><br />Dear Jeffrey,<br /> <br />Thank you for your interest in SJS and for the strong opinions you have shared!<br /> <br /><i>I find it unbelievable that Bon “... was not aware of the open access movement when he conceived SJS.” I suspect he&#39;s either dissembling or being disingenuous. His rhetoric, as well as his hackneyed disdain for the impact factor, closely matches that employed by OA advocates. His ideas are not new. </i><br /> <br />I want to fix scholarly communication and restore the positive collective spirit between scientists that was always implicit in the scientific mission. The main problem today is the use of the impact factor as a way of trying to evaluate articles. This has a terrible feedback effect on the way science is practised and produced. To me, the correct way to evaluate science is through open processes, and these trigger OA collaterally. In that sense I can definitely be viewed as an OA advocate.<br /> <br /><i>In the interview, Bon declares that “science can only be governed by the scientific community,” yet both he and Mr. Poynder use the term “oligarchic editorial boards” pejoratively. </i><br /> <br />Really?<br /> <br /><i>The members of these boards are the scientific community. </i><br /> <br />No, they are members of the scientific community. They are the tiny subset that has power over the rest of the community. This creates an unhealthy and unproductive asymmetry.<br /> <br /><i>The use of this term is offensive to the many conscientious scientists who volunteer on these editorial boards, scientists who guard against pseudo-science from entering the academic record and who make suggestions that correct errors in and improve the science of manuscripts submitted for publication in journals.</i><br /> <br />Please read the interview again, especially p.20. There is no criticism of editors, who may indeed be conscientious scientists. I blame academia itself, which has taken control of science away from the community and given it to journals through the use of the impact factor.<br /> <br />The power exerted by editors on science is a consequence of that poor choice. But this is not a choice that has been requested by the editors, but by their institutions, who have outsourced responsibility for evaluation to journals.<br /> <br />The problem is that the evaluation of science is such a complex task that it cannot be performed by any subset of the scientific community. By its nature the current evaluation system generates multiple problems, independently of the dedication and commitment of editors wanting to do a good job.<br /> <br />For instance, scientists start to behave as competitors, who have to jostle with one another to publish in the highest IF journals. Many editors have themselves complained that this “publish or perish” culture is terrible for science. But they cannot avoid it, since their mere existence in a world dominated by the IF creates this distortion, whether they like it or not.<br /> <br />Please review again the way the self-journal works. The assumption behind the self-journal is that every scientist is effectively an editor! My point (see <a href="http://www.sjscience.org/memberPage?uId=1&amp;jId=14#journal" rel="nofollow"> here </a>) is that I do not blame editors themselves but the impossible task that the academic system imposes on them.Michael Bonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07469026203952896261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-29601009913056049522016-05-31T17:00:07.396+00:002016-05-31T17:00:07.396+00:00I find it unbelievable that Bon &quot;... was not ...I find it unbelievable that Bon &quot;... was not aware of the open access movement when he conceived SJS.&quot; I suspect he&#39;s either dissembling or being disingenuous. His rhetoric, as well as his hackneyed disdain for the impact factor, closely matches that employed by OA advocates. His ideas are not new.<br /><br />In the interview, Bon declares that &quot;science can only be governed by the scientific community,&quot; yet both he and Mr. Poynder use the term &quot;oligarchic editorial boards&quot; pejoratively. The members of these boards are the scientific community.<br /><br />The use of this term is offensive to the many conscientious scientists who volunteer on these editorial boards, scientists who guard against pseudo-science from entering the academic record and who make suggestions that correct errors in and improve the science of manuscripts submitted for publication in journals. <br /><br />Having a chip on your shoulder is insufficient qualification for operating as a scholarly publisher. I have documented that pseudoscientists use the automatic acceptance in schemes such as Bon&#39;s to publish their papers that quality journals reject, and I wish the interviewer had asked how Bon plans to deal with the junk science that is surely to be submitted to his new service.<br />Jeffrey Beallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11892507846112379242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-16727183560143570412016-05-31T14:49:01.419+00:002016-05-31T14:49:01.419+00:00I appreciate that Michael sees his SJS as a kind o...I appreciate that Michael sees his SJS as a kind of preprint server, which allows authors to submit their work for &quot;proper&quot; publication afterwards. As aside, a name change might be in order, to avoid such &quot;proper&quot; journals rejecting a SJS publication for being a journal article and not a preprint. There is currently no chance to win against the current system of impact factor and journal-Prestige-based publishing, I guess one just has to wait till traditional academic publishing (never mind if subscription or OA) has sufficiently discredited itself, before new approach to academic evaluation manifests. <br />To speed the process up, science needs transparency. Currently, anyone can dump anything on a preprint server, and with the good will towards it, it is taken seriously, hence the current scare about mobile phones causing cancer.<br />Any publication is potentially worthless if its original data is kept private. Data sharing should become standard, not an exception, so the wider community can build their own opinion, instead of blindly relying on honesty and competence of the paper&#39;s authors. Therefore I suggest SJS invites its authors per default to always make raw data available. <br />Leonid Schneiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12737541382560079721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-75226037844843352902016-05-31T11:57:36.077+00:002016-05-31T11:57:36.077+00:00Good one Richard. Glad to see you demote the IF, w...Good one Richard. Glad to see you demote the IF, which, IMO, has been continuously debased in the OA developments. IF, as originally conceived, was never intended as a publication rating, but as an indicator, mathematical, to the number of other authors who perceived that there existed a relationship between their article and others.<br /><br />Barry MahonUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07016818910080500516noreply@blogger.com
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