Why imageboards are so underground? They are basically standalone sites managed by enthusiasts...

Why imageboards are so underground? They are basically standalone sites managed by enthusiasts, while virtually any other method of online communication (blogs, video hostings, social networks, streaming, games, dating) has been taken over by big business guys?

tranny porn

it's our special internet club :^)

Fucking bastions of free speech....wasted on Euroshits and Asians

There are "worksafe" boards.

This. It's like using AIDS to defend yourself from cancer.

this hahahaha
only reason why i keep coming to biz is cause
i feel like you’re all me

Sorry? I didn't understand you.

imageboards are not very useful from a business perspective
interpersonal connections are at the heart of the human experience, that's how you engage most users and that's how you sell them shit
the people gravitating towards imageboards are terrible consumers

>the people gravitating towards imageboards are terrible consumers
Why!?

This mode of communication isn't for everyone. The content isn't for everyone either, nor are the lax moderation practices. Some people seem fine with accepting widespread censorship and moralfagging like you see on traditional internet fora and reddit, they even desire it, but I don't. Don't get me wrong, mods are fags on Veeky Forums and the janitor does it for free, but it's still a lot fucking better than any other kind of website.

t. 2005

Except if you're sergey selling link

Dating sites or blogs are not for everyone also. Does that change anything?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

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Let’s put Veeky Forums on the Blockchain

What the OP of that thread is describing is called Reddit.

>virtually any other method of online communication (blogs, video hostings, social networks, streaming, games, dating) has been taken over by big business guys?
There's usually only space for one large platform with one purpose - there's one reddit, one twitter, one instagram, and one Veeky Forums.

OK, boards are not for everyone, but why doesn't big business develop them anyway?

Facebook doesn't sell merchandise but is still very profitable.

What to do with CP?

Reddit is essential the big business of imageboards,
I'm 100% convinced the 'wholesome posts' meme is heavily pumped by (((them))) to create a more politically correct cyberspace.
Moot had enormous trouble monetizing Veeky Forums due to high bandwidth cost and aversion from any decent business that didn't want to be associated with 4chans anti-gaynigger attitude.

Does reddit sell merchandise?
Yep, but Veeky Forums is STILL underground. It's not a "social network" yet or however you call it. In the same meaning youtube is a social network.

That is true, but what if moot only monetized worksafe boards?

Just because it's the smaller one doesn't mean it's underground. And it is social it's just social with a blank face. The main reasons why it's smaller than others is the non-gratification of anonymity, the doubtful content, the inaccessibility of the lingo, and the disinterested structure of the site

There are lots of other imageboards besides Veeky Forums. Some are quite popular.

All successful imageboards are run and function or roughly the same principles of letting anonymous users as loose as possible and not trying to control, restrict, or shape content beyond setting the topics for certain boards (the demand for which comes from the users in the first place) or possibly keeping illegal stuff out. That is not very conducive to big business. They need to be able to ensure that content can be controlled and shaped to some degree, as is possible with Reddit. They are responsible to shareholders and others and therefore there are many interests at play that will end up conflicting with the interests of the users at some point. That kills the value of an imageboard for the users eventually and what you get is something that isn't an imageboard anymore.

There are only a couple of ways to monetize this as well, such as Veeky Forums's model with advertisers (which I remember moot saying were hard to acquire and retain due to the content of this website) and "gold accounts". Due to the nature of the content here, if you tried Facebook's model of selling your personal data to advertisers and others (in a semi-transparent way), it's very likely that this place would be dead within just a few days of users catching on.

>Does reddit sell merchandise?

I think so. Or they have at some point anyway.

>There are lots of other imageboards besides Veeky Forums. Some are quite popular.
Like there's vimeo to youtube. Or rather, even worse, since most are regional imageboards

>non-gratification of anonymity
What's that?

Under this thread is some ICO AD for example.

There are no surface level egoboosts. Hence why we joke with the (you's)

Hiro's the polar opposite of an enthusiast, he bought Veeky Forums for one particular reason and he's certainly succeed.

It's somewhat ironic that Veeky Forums's radicalized so much in its most monetized and datamined phase. The site's not up and running because of goodwill exactly.

I see. Why not to control an imageboard and not to moderate it properly, wiping off anything controversial?

Without moderation any board turns into trash anyway.

moot looks like andy warhol

>There are no surface level egoboosts
You can attentionwhore here. Or create popular threads. Or get replies to your replies. You feel needed here.

Heavily moderated imageboard is basically a leddit.

You can find ways but the site isn't built for that and the users rarely care about it - e.g. almost zero tripfags. You feel needed much more because you think you belong than because you get attention. Also, there's no history of cred accumulated in a username

Heavily moderated by real mods, not some shitty up/down-voting.

When I first came here it wasnt tranny porn that kept people out, it was c.p. 8ch still has echoes of it with threads like "ped os must go" or shilling of the thought that girls are sexually aware and active by 12

Yes, Veeky Forums is the largest by far. But there are others that are nearly as influential culture wise, but not nearly as well known. KC /int/, for example, has been a major innovation engine of meme culture (that sounds incredibly ridiculous, I know) for many years. KC is ground zero for half of the memes currently in the Veeky Forums catalog (Wojak, smug pepe, etc), and most people have no idea of what it is unless they're Bernds themselves. Content wise, KC ranges from harmless memes like that to Mexican torture videos and even a bit of CP here and there. It's much more "underground" than Veeky Forums for a reason, and in some sense much more valuable therefore.

>I see. Why not to control an imageboard and not to moderate it properly, wiping off anything controversial?

Because the value of imageboards lies mainly in their chaotic nature. If you impose too much control on this chaos, you're cannibalizing their value to the users. If you run an imageboard and start "cleaning it up" like that, you'll soon end up with either a dead imageboard or something that is no longer an imageboard.

That's a whole other discussion: we're talking about popularity, not creativity. Otherwise we must downgrade facebook et al. because it lacks creativity.
infinite was also relevant at one point, and chon when /pol/ and /r9k/ got deleted, and wizard.

but you still feel like you belong

I just wanted to point out that Veeky Forums would not be anything like it is today without the smaller imageboards feeding it with culture (which I suppose could be said of many other kinds of websites as well). It would be a radically different and probably duller place if it wasn't for the smaller imagebaords. I wasn't really saying anything to refute your point.

I agree

I honestly can't rmb any old-skool forum as old and lively as 4ch

Like 90% of memes come from Ylilauta

>Implying this isn't true
Back to Pinterest you go

When's the last time we all liked anything?

>unless they're Bernds themselves
You mean about the memes?

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I mean most Veeky Forums browsers don't know that there are other significant boards besides Veeky Forums unless they browse them themselves. KC posters are called Bernds.

What is the main difference between facebook and Veeky Forums? Facebook is also not tightly moderated.

So anons will most certainly not but the merchandise unlike hipster girls and facebook people?

Yeah but the mods dont do their jobs and we have like 50 "braaap" threads a day thanks to all the underage faggots and neet virgins asking "what does a vagina feel like"

Are you seriously asking or just trying to be critic? I'd say the big difference is that we don't have to post our names here, unlike with Faceberg

the dankest ones at least

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We’re all one here, user, thats the wonder of Veeky Forums
Just remember you can never leave

it's significantly harder to influence people without an identity
anonymous environments have the positive property to make approval increasingly reliant on the strength of your ideas; this attracts people who want to discuss ideas over people, creating a virtuous loop of users harder to sway through marketing
on the negative side, anonymous environments allow for expression without social stigma. which means you get low quality posts, bait, scams, porn, a whole lot of noise. this shitflinging as well as the extreme political opinions expressed scare away a significant part of the population
both pros and cons of imageboards work directly against the art of selling things

>tfw can't speak german to hang on KC

>if you tried Facebook's model of selling your personal data to advertisers and others
but gookmoot does this and people don't give a fuck because 'they've got no other place to go'
quit lying

somewhat ironic, but unsurprising if you understand the cycles of successful "companies" (which can apply to Veeky Forums, strange as it sounds)
there is nothing else filling the niche of large-scale loosely censored communication, so it was inevitable from the start Veeky Forums userbase would trend towards a greater share of the population

They have an English language board.

Maybe, maybe not. I said semi-transparent for this reason. Captchas aren't enough tok convince anyone of anything.

a history can imply a pattern of behavior

It's not profitable enough, and the core userbase values freedom of speech so google buying it out would just kill it. There are still corporate interests here, they push products, or political messages, but the fact imageboards are still alive is a complete anomaly. It's kind of like with those free mobile phone games where you start playing it and think it's really stupid, but eventually you put a lot of time into it, so you're now willing to put out some money because it's "worth your time just like any other website." Of course imageboards, these days, have so much traffic that the owners make their money from datamining rather than donations/passes.

Faggots asking what does a vagina feels like and some other faggots replying like bags of sand

this shit is why we need an actual forumboard cryptocurrency and not some waves knockoff coin

Make it into dCPoS

>underground
not since 2006, user.

Difficult to make money from autistic communities

Could PRL save Veeky Forums from going under?

I've been waiting for so long for a truly distributed uncensorable imageboard.
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