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The Duchess of Richmond ([info]charlottelennox) wrote in [info]bad_penny,
@ 2006-06-17 12:01:00


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The Msscribe Story, Chapter Five
for [info]ingrid ;)






The Ms.Scribe Story

An Unauthorized Fandom Biography




June 2003 - Msscribe and the IP Evidence
On June 4, 2003 -- five days after [info]carissa_lynn's post about Clarabella -- GT released the results of their investigations. They posted all the evidence against Msscribe on the [info]gryffindortower LJ in a spirit of great hope and anticipation, although some of them were rightly cynical (though, as it turned out, not quite cynical enough). Here is the post (scroll down to June 4), by GT admin [info]tartanboxers:
Update on the PottersGinny Situation
The following is an announcement, not a discussion. If you want to discuss this, you are free to link to this post and discuss it in your own Live Journals.

Unfortunately it is my duty to bring more to light in the recent PottersGinny mess. Previously we posted proof that [info]clarabella21 and [info]sarahkjames were caught posing as Fermatojam and posting from msscribe's computer. We had IP evidence and an admission on Clarabella's part.

The plot just thickened.

We've received more IP evidence based on posts [info]pottersginny made on the [info]harry_and_ginny. It seems that these IP numbers match with posts made as Clarabella, Sarah K James and msscribe.

Screencaps of various posts are located at this url:
http://www.gryffindortower.net/screencaps.htm

Combined with the urls and admissions that Carissa posted about previously, it seems evident to me that all these posts were made from msscribe's computer. Yes, the horrible racial slurs that she complained about (rightly) were made on her own computer.

Here is a summary of the different IP numbers we found (copied from the screen shots we have):

PottersGinny:
209.234.157.104
68.82.67.208
130.94.107.137
209.234.157.44
168.143.123.83
209.234.157.106

msscribe:
130.94.107.137
130.94.123.171
168.143.113.142
168.143.123.88
209.234.160.75

Clarabella:
209.234.160.75
209.234.166.213

Sarah K James:
209.234.157.106
209.234.157.68
209.234.160.75

Fermatojam:
167.21.1.230
68.82.67.208

MelodyAnnSings:
209.234.157.228
167.21.1.228

"Kellie" (posted anonymously in the GTLJ in support of PottersGinny)
167.21.1.228
167.21.1.230

I point to Fermatojam's second IP number in particular. This was the IP from which he registered on the GT message boards. It traces to an ISP known as Comcast which is where a good many of the posts made in msscribe's name trace to. But we know from Clarabella's admission that she was posting using Fermatojam's name on GT.

Notice how MelodyAnnSing's IPs (one from her post in the GTLJ and the other from her registration on the GT boards) match Sarah K James' IP numbers on one hand, and Kellie's on the other, as well as one of Fermatojam's. We know that MelodyAnn was made up by Clarabella, and that she was also posting as Fermatojam. So here we have evidence of "Clara" posing as someone who's backing up a racist. Interesting friend.

I would also point out that many of PottersGinny's posts trace to an ISP knows as Verio. This is also the ISP to which many of msscribe's posts trace. Other of PottersGinny's posts trace to the Comcast ISP, and GST Telecom, where the majority of the Clarabella and Sarah K James posts originated.

So how many actual people posted? It seems certain that Fermatojam (in this instance anyway) and PottersGinnty were not real. The IP evidence points to it. As to who actually made the PottersGinny posts, I have my suspicions, but I'll leave it up to my readers here to make up their own minds in the matter.

EDIT: Yes, I'm editing in something here. I have not changed anything in the foregoing, as those of you who have no doubt taken screen caps can surely attest. I didn't think it was necessary, but obviously people have forgotten that this is an update to info previously posted to this community. I will therefore remind you all that we have a confession from [info]clarabella21 where she states that she used msscribe's computer, logged into [info]sarahkjames' account, and posted on GT as fermatojam. Please take this information into account when drawing your conclusions.

The post was so long and so detailed -- and contained such unwelcome information -- that most of the fandom immediately declared it tl;dr (the term didn't yet exist then, but the concept did) and were unwilling, or unable, to detangle the confusing threads of Msscribe's handiwork. But it's not THAT complicated:

Apparently Msscribe had three different sources of access to the internet: a Comcast account, a GST/Time Warner Telecom account, and a State of Delaware "eduproxy" account. She also used a service called "Anonymizer," which assigns you a proxy IP to cover up your own. With all of these resources available to her -- aspiring puppetmasters, learn from this! -- she should have been able to put up a good facade by using certain accounts only for certain puppets, etc. But apparently she didn't have the time or patience to do this, because she used the accounts seemingly indiscriminately. And, of course, with nine puppets actively posting in "enemy territory" where their IPs could be logged, she didn't have enough accounts for all of them, anyway. So what the GT admins posted was a confusing list of IPs in four different series, with all the identities randomly sprinkled around among them (plus a large number of corroborating screencaps and downloads).

Seeing that the fandom was confused, [info]ladymaidmarian helpfully posted this simplifying recap where she highlighted all the exact matches:
The Who's Who of IPgate
I guess it can be awfully confusing when trying to figure out who's who among all these IP numbers IPgate. Which was a comment to Our Story.

As I was having problems falling asleep last night, nothing new since this hate campaign started a few weeks back, I decided to see where these numbers led to. Now [info]tartanboxers had some ideas.

This is what I found, mind you THESE ARE MY FINDINGS. I am not speaking for any group or organization, since I am not on the board of directors of any group or organzation.

I am not trying to infer anything with this. I picked a random name from that list of IP numbers tracked by us and other groups and decided to see where the numbers went. This is what I came up with. I'm sure you can move these names around and come to your own conclusion.

msscribe was [info]pottersginny 130.94.107.137
[info]pottersginny was [info]fermatojam 68.82.67.208

msscribe was [info]sarahkjames 209.234.160.75
[info]sarahkjames was [info]pottersginny 209.234.157.106

msscribe was [info]clarabella21 209.234.160.75
[info]clarabella21 admitted to being [info]fermatojam
[info]fermatojam was Kellie(annoymous poster) 167.21.1.230
Kellie(annoymous poster) was [info]melodyannsings 167.21.1.228

If this is confusing, I'm sorry, but the whole entire ordeal is confusing. Each line contains TWO names, and an IP code that was matched to them. As I said, this was my view, play around and see if you can come up with another.

An Edit: Just to clarify things. We have a confession from [info]clarabella21 where she states that she used msscribe's computer, logged into [info]sarahkjames's account, and posted on GT as fermatojam. Please take this information into account when drawing your conclusions.

Other people analyzed the same information in a different way. One particularly influential analysis was done by a young techie guy named [info]zorac:
Inspired by this statement by msscribe, this is a response of sorts to this posting on [info]gryffindortower which is claiming proof that two individuals are the same based on lists of IP addresses. I’ve looked up all the addresses mentioned using DNS (matching forward and reverse) and WHOIS (using whois.arin.net initially and rwhois.verio.net for more specific information on Verio addresses).

68.82.0.0-68.82.255.255 = Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
68.82.67.208 = pcp01484347pcs.frncht01.de.comcast.net

130.94.107.128-130.94.107.255 = Anonymizer
130.94.107.137 = (No reverse DNS)

130.94.123.160-130.94.123.191 = Anonymizer
130.94.123.171 = (No reverse DNS)

167.21.0.0-167.21.255.255 = STATE OF DELAWARE
167.21.1.228 = eduproxy2.k12.de.us.
167.21.1.230 = eduproxy3.k12.de.us.

168.143.113.0-168.143.113.255 = Anonymizer
168.143.113.142 = (No reverse DNS)

168.143.123.64-168.143.123.127 = Anonymizer
168.143.123.83 = (No reverse DNS)
168.143.123.88 = (No reverse DNS)

209.234.128.0-209.234.223.255 = GST Telecom / Time Warner Telecom
209.234.157.44 = 209-234-157-44.gen.twtelecom.net
209.234.157.68 = 209-234-157-68.gen.twtelecom.net
209.234.157.104 = 209-234-157-104.gen.twtelecom.net
209.234.157.106 = 209-234-157-106.gen.twtelecom.net
209.234.157.228 = 209-234-157-228.gen.twtelecom.net
209.234.160.75 = 209-234-160-75.gen.twtelecom.net

OK, so we have a whole bunch of addresses mapping to Anonymizer - clearly traffic coming from these addresses could be anyone. The various similar GST Telecom addresses (usually multiple for one person) are highly suggestive of dialup - in which case you could justify pointing fingers if two identities were seen on that address at virtually identical times - but equally they could be some form of proxy or cache servers. The "State of Delaware" addresses map to "eduproxy..." which it seems clear to me are proxy servers, most likely for (some of) the state's schools - again, any number of people could be behind those proxies.

The only address which may well map to a single location if the Comcast one (but that is merely speculation). This is apparently the address that was used by [info]fermatojam to sign up at Gryffindor Tower - but wasn't Fermatojam originally a real Stalker whose accounts were only later misused by others (as described in this post on the GT LJ, which would surely mean that that address is associated with the *real* Fermatojam - and this address is only seen on one other person in that list, [info]pottersginny.

* To summarise: PottersGinny and msscribe have both used Anonymizer
* PottersGinny, msscribe, [info]clarabella21, [info]sarahkjames and [info]melodyannsings have all used (most likely) dialup connections through GST Telecom.
* Fermatojam (unknown whether real or impersonated), MelodyAnnSings and "Kellie" have all used (most likely) an educational establishment in Delaware
* Fermatojam (presumably real) and PottersGinny have both used the same Comcast IP address (possibly a cable modem)

The only remotely convincing connection I can draw from this evidence alone is between the real Fermatojam and PottersGinny - and even that relies on a couple of assumptions. The claim that "all these posts were made from msscribe's computer" seems ludicrous.

Msscribe's many friends interpreted this post of [info]zorac's as a complete exoneration of Msscribe. A typical response, from [info]picklepuss in the comments to the post:
I assume if someone pointed GT to this post they would act as though it didn't exist.

That's what quality research and real intelligence will get you.

Good work.

Actually, if you follow this logic through, Zorac's post is extremely damaging to Msscribe, but following the logic through wasn't very popular that day. If you combine the two analyses, you get this:

All posts admitted to by Clarabella and Msscribe are plain text; all posts they *denied* making are *starred*:

*[info]fermatojam* (the early "real" one), *[info]pottersginny* 68.82.67.208 Comcast Cable


msscribe, *[info]pottersginny* 130.94.107.137 Anonymizer
msscribe 130.94.123.171 Anonymizer
msscribe 168.143.113.142 Anonymizer
*[info]pottersginny* 168.143.123.83 Anonymizer
msscribe 168.143.123.88 Anonymizer


[info]sarahkjames, *[info]pottersginny* 209.234.157.106 GST/Time Warner
msscribe, [info]sarahkjames, [info]clarabella21 209.234.160.75 GST/Time Warner
*[info]pottersginny* 209.234.157.44 GST/Time Warner
[info]sarahkjames 209.234.157.68 GST/Time Warner
*[info]pottersginny* 209.234.157.104 GST/Time Warner
[info]melodyannsings 209.234.157.228 GST/Time Warner
[info]clarabella21 209.234.166.213 GST/Time Warner


[info]fermatojam (the later "fake" one), Kellie (anonymous poster) 167.21.1.230 Delaware
Kellie (anonymous poster), [info]melodyannsings 167.21.1.228 Delaware

The most damaging thing, to my mind, is that both Msscribe and her racist attacker used an anonymizing service (why?) -- the same anonymizing service -- and were assigned the exact same number (and only three hours apart). What an ironic coincidence, huh? We also have to remember that both Clarabella and Msscribe had publicly acknowledged on their LJ's (though both posts were soon deleted or made private) that the Fermatojam post 167.21.1.230 was made on Msscribe's computer, as were the Msscribe, SarahKJames, and Clarabella posts 209.234.160.75 and all others in the GST/Time Warner series except the three Pottersginny posts. Apparently, Msscribe had a GST/Time Warner dial-up account at her home and she either had access to a Delaware state educational account at her home or she and Clarabella were lying about where those posts were made (a school, perhaps?). Pottersginny, who really gets around, had a Comcast account (like Msscribe) with the same IP as the original, "real" Fermatojam (even though he supposedly lived in Ohio and she in Texas) and a GST/Time Warner dial-up account (like Msscribe) with the same IP as SarahKJames, plus she used Anonymizer (like Msscribe) and happened to get assigned the same Anonymizer IP as Msscribe. Remember, Msscribe and "Clarabella" absolutely denied making any of Pottersginny's posts.

I have more evidence to contribute, evidence which GT had at the time, but for some reason didn't include in their announcement post. I have screencaps of three emails "Clarabella" wrote to Carissa on May 30, 2003 and three emails Msscribe wrote to Carissa on May 31, 2003, with copies to Praetorianguard. Here are the times and IPs from those emails:
Clarabella email 1: Fri May 30 06:23:59 2003 - 167.21.1.230.
Clarabella email 2: Fri May 30 07:00:56 2003 - 167.21.1.227.
Clarabella email 3: Fri May 30 07:55:37 2003 - 167.21.1.228.
Clearly, "Clarabella" was using the Delaware eduproxy K12 account with rolling IPs to send her emails, and she was assigned identical IPs as Fermatojam (the later one), "Kellie," and Melodyannsings.
Msscribe email 1: Sat May 31 04:04:30 2003 - 68.82.67.208.
Msscribe email 2: Sat May 31 06:05:24 2003 - 68.82.67.208.
Msscribe email 3: Sat May 31 06:47:42 2003 - 68.82.67.208.
Clearly, Msscribe was using the Comcast Cable account with the fixed 68.82.67.208 IP to send her emails, and she had the same IP as Fermatojam in April and Pottersginny on May 7th.


And I have yet another piece of evidence to contribute. At the time GT released their evidence, both [info]angua9 and [info]dianora were mods at the Sugar Quill. Even though the SQ admins had refused to search their database for IP evidence, they looked to satisfy their own curiosity and discovered that Clarabella had made one post at SQ on Jan. 18, 2003 -- pimping Msscribe's fic, naturally. Because that one post was in a forum Angua modded, she could see the IP. At a later time, Dianora became a mod for that same forum and could see the IP as well. It was 68.82.67.208, the fixed Comcast address used by Pottersginny, by the "real" Fermatojam, and (though Angua, Dianora, and the rest of the general public didn't know this at the time) by Msscribe in her emails to Carissa. Because she was not an admin, Angua did not give GT a screencap or release that information publicly, but from that time forward both she and Dianora were fully convinced of Msscribe's guilt.


As am I. To me, it seems completely clear: Msscribe, who could easily afford it, had both a dial-up GST/Time Warner account and a cable Comcast account. She also had access to the Delaware school account -- a person with her real name is listed as having an employee computer account with the vocational and technical school district in _____ County, Delaware -- either at her home or elsewhere. The Comcast cable account had a fixed IP over that four-month time period, and she was captured as Clarabella in January, as Fermatojam in April, and as Pottersginny and Msscribe in May. The dialup account had rolling IPs, but identical IPs were captured for Msscribe, Clarabella, and SarahKJames, and also for SarahKJames and Pottersginny. The State of Delaware account also had rolling IPs, but identical ones were captured for two different pairs of sockpuppets, and Clarabella. She also used an Anonymizer service that gave her five different numbers, one of which was identical for Msscribe and her troll Pottersginny. All IPs ever captured for Msscribe and all of her alleged sockpuppets (including Hgempress) come from one of these four sources. NONE of these supposedly independent entities EVER was logged from anywhere else, notably including Fermatojam and Clarabella, who were never logged from the universities they were supposedly attending.

What are the odds?

What really boggles my mind is that at the time, nearly every single one of the people defending Msscribe had access to evidence that could have either supported or contradicted GT's claims. The admins and many of the mods at FA and Portkey could see logged IPs for Msscribe, Clarabella, and SarahKJames. Dozens of people had LJs with comments from Msscribe, SarahKJames, Clarabella, and Infinitus. Praetorianguard definitely had emails showing Msscribe's IP as 68.82.67.208, and other people most likely did as well. Any one of these people could have come forward and said that Msscribe either did, or did not, post with the fixed Comcast IP 68.82.67.208, which would strongly tie her to both the "real" Fermatojam and to Pottersginny. Even today, many people could still do this. If Msscribe did NOT post with that Comcast IP and the other IPs claimed by GT, that would have been a strong indication the GTers had faked their evidence. But as far as I can tell, everyone was so sure that Msscribe was the good guy and the GTers were the bad guys that they didn't even bother to check.



June 2003 -- Msscribe Strikes Back
What was Msscribe's response to the GT charges? The next day, June 5, 2003, she made a post on her LJ. Here is a screencap of the post and here it is in downloaded form, without the graphics:
Current mood: annoyed, sort of like when you see a cockroach

A Statement
[info]gryffindortower just ranted about how they wanted to be left alone, but I guess they changed their mind.

Everyone knows that you can spoof IP addresses, and if you use IP addresses to claim that someone is committing all sorts of crimes, that is considered reckless disregard for the truth. Read more about that from [info]praetorianguard's post here

My friend [info]quecojones was kind enough to give me an example: Learn about it here and here. I believe because what Clara actually posted wasn't enough to get people to feel sorry for you (and frankly, wasn't anything even remotely close to harrassing or threatening), you have begun accusing she, myself and by third party Sarah of posting messages that we did not.

And just so you know, this IS libel.

1) the statement made was false. Anything I have posted at GT, I did in my own name (with the exception of I believe one anon post that was certainly not harrassing).
2) the statement was published, meaning it was communicated to someone other than the subject of the statement
3) the statement tends to defame the person and lower his or her regard by the community and
4) the actor has a reckless disregard for the truth of the statement knows it is false

Also, they probably don't know this, but one of the times they claimed a post came from my PC, Clara was at school and I was lying in the hospital, unconcious. Lovely little admission form sits in a file now, in case I ever need to whip it out. I'm pretty good about posting, but even I'm not that good. And another one, I was attending the funeral I posted about going to at the same time.

I'm hurt and saddened that what was supposed to be fun for me, my only release from the stress of RL, has turned into this. If you want to comment on this, you'll have to go to individual LJ's because they've conveniently disabled the comments from the post they made. Thank you.

She starts out on the offensive, linking to a post by [info]praetorianguard, an attorney for both FictionAlley and Nimbus, stating that "everybody knows" you can't use IP evidence to accuse someone of crimes (this would be news to Cassandra Claire and Jeff, I think), and using the words "reckless disregard for truth" and "libel." Then she offers an alibi, and closes with an appeal for sympathy. Let us look at the alibi more closely:
Also, they probably don't know this, but one of the times they claimed a post came from my PC, Clara was at school and I was lying in the hospital, unconcious. Lovely little admission form sits in a file now, in case I ever need to whip it out. I'm pretty good about posting, but even I'm not that good. And another one, I was attending the funeral I posted about going to at the same time.
I have studied all Msscribe's LJ and Portkey posts from that time and I must confess that this statement completely baffles me. I know that Clarabella posted that Msscribe was unconscious in the hospital for several hours on March 21st, and conscious in the hospital, posting from her laptop, from March 22nd through 24th. "Fermatojam" didn't show up on LJ until March 26th, and he didn't post at GT until April. "Pottersginny" didn't post anywhere until May 7th. Either this is the worst alibi in history, or I am misunderstanding what Msscribe was trying to say. Did she mean that Fermatojam had made an anonymous comment on her LJ on March 21st, while she was unconscious? Or did she mean that she had made another hospital visit (not mentioned on her LJ) sometime in April or May while Fermatojam or Potterginny was posting at GT or the H/G LJs? But, if so, how is that an alibi -- "lovely little admission form" or not -- when she had already posted from the hospital using her laptop?

As to the "funeral" alibi (assuming she is referring to the funeral of the friend she said had died of AIDS on May 4th, three days before Pottersginny appeared), she never said on her LJ when or where the funeral was. We have only Msscribe's word that she attended a funeral at all, and even if she did, funerals generally only last an hour or two. I can only suppose that Msscribe hasn't read many murder mysteries and doesn't know that the person who comes forward with an alibi immediately becomes the detective's hottest suspect.


But, of course, Msscribe's friends responded with support, not suspicion. Her first commenter was [info]morgaina, offering this icon...

made by morgaina, taken from morgaina

... and saying:
This is seriously ridiculous. You've handled this whole situation amazingly well, good on you. I hope you like the new icon, anyone feel free to borrow it. I just wanted to let you know there are sane people out there concerned about you and supporting you through this.
[info]lizardlaugh helpfully offered that in her experience IP evidence was unreliable, to which Msscribe replied:
I use Comcast (covers all of Met Philadelphia and DC area) and AOL. LOL. And thank you for explaining that, although I believe they know those posts didn't come from here. I think they damn well know it, and are just rying to save face.

And then [info]zorac commented with a link to his analysis:
Hi, I've posted an analysis on what their list of IP addresses does (or does not) prove over on my LJ. Summary: You and PottersGinny both used Anonymizer, a whole load of people used the same dialup ISP, and three of them used a Delaware school.

The most interesting link is the [info]fermatojam/[info]pottersginny one. If the *real* Fermatojam was the one who signed up for GT (I'm inferring this from various postings, but it's not entirely clear), then GT's "evidence" does an excellent job of tying him to PottersGinny.

This must have been an interesting moment for Msscribe. Of course she latched gratefully onto the authoritative-sounding defence -- she either edited her post or made a new post linking to Zorac's post and saying essentially "See! Cleared!" -- but she probably wasn't happy with Zorac announcing to everyone that she had used Anonymizer, that some of the IPs traced to her home state of Delaware, or that GT had done "an excellent job" of tying Pottersginny to Fermatojam, when her story required that they be different people. That may be one reason she soon hid this post. She responded as follows:
Thanks for doing that, but I think they may be fabricating a few things. Isn't it easy to create this so-called "evidence" I wouldn't assume the IP's they are giving are correct. Because here is the IP that Infinitus (I called her)and I have for Pottersginny: 217.155.36.210. Could you look that up? I don't know how. Also the real fermatojam was at University of Dayton, so the IP they are giving for him is clearly a lie to point the finger back at me.

I've been testing [info]quecojones IP spoofing thing and it actually worked on my LJ. I'm just confused, and angry, and trying not to lose my temper.

:hugs: but thanks for taking the time to do that.
and
Uh oh. The spouse has asked me to friend's protect your evidence, and perhaps mail us a hard copy of the evidence, just in case there really IS a link between the two. This guy is on probation, so if he's broken it, we need to know that.

She was definitely pushing the idea that the GT admins faked the IPs, either by using a spoofing device or by photoshopping, probably because she knew that people all over the fandom (Praetorianguard for one!) had captured her using the fixed IP 68.82.67.208 on her comments, emails, and forum posts. The suggestion that Pottersginny and Fermatojam were the same person worked fine for Zorac (and she played along with it a little for him), but it could do Msscribe no good at all with any of the many people who might have logged her using that same number.

In support of the photoshopping or spoofing hypothesis, she offered a different IP for Pottersginny than the six different IPs GT had announced: 217.155.36.210. This IP traces to Zen Internet Ltd of Lancashire, Great Britain, a preposterous offering for the supposedly Texas cracker Pottersginny, but perhaps Msscribe was making another play at RunechildUK or Imogen (and, if so, she missed them by a good distance). Zorac responded, telling her so...
OK, now that's just weird.

217.155.32.0 - 217.155.47.255 is a range of DSL addresses belonging to Zen Internet - a ISP here in England!
...and she replied enigmatically...
Never heard of it, but I'm not shocked, to say the least. Of course, it's only an IP...
Not shocked because... what? She'd always suspected "Darlene" was secretly British?

Msscribe also made vaguely legal-type gestures by claiming that her lawyer husband had asked for a "hard copy" of Zorac's "evidence" -- which was no more than the simple IP tracing that anyone can do! -- and for her to "friends protect" Zorac's comment (even though his own post was still fully public). Then she repeated the claim that Clarabella made in her emails to the GT admins, a claim that contradicted her other accounts on her own LJ, including one from just eight days earlier -- that she had pressed charges against Fermatojam and that now he might have "broken his probation" (if Pottersginny was actually him in disguise, as Zorac suggested). By the way, if Fermatojam had already been prosecuted and received probation, I wonder why Clarabella thought the police weren't "doing enough" -- what more did she think they could do?

But, as I have said, my current skeptical and analytical mood was not the mood that prevailed on Msscribe's LJ when she made her post. This comment from [info]cygnusfap (now [info]malachan) in response to Zorac's comment sums up the general mood:
Big thumbs up to Mark for that post. Now that he's shown that they don't have a case, I am convinced, so I am right behind you Msscribe. :)
[info]ari_o's comment sums up the rest:
Gryffindor Tower = "Worm"
Msscribe's friend [info]muffinbutt stated the same sentiment a bit more forcefully:
Already said this on your other post, but just wanted to be public -- these people are truly mad. Like, creepy, keep a knife under your pillow nuts man. I am so incredibly sorry that you got roped into this ongoing wankery. I don't even know what to say. At this point, I just want to tell the world to fuck off and go curl up in my bed. But say the word, and I'll fucking fight for you, Dionne. I'll fight for all of you. Because this isn't right.

Msscribe's defense was fully sufficient for most people. One person even concluded (demonstrating less-than-total mastery of both IP tracing and logic) that GT must have faked all of the IPs. One wonders why, if they were going to fake IPs, they chose to make it so complicated.

Over at Fandom Wank, the discussion was dominated by Msscribe supporters like Cygnus, but there were plenty of people willing to consider the hypothesis that Msscribe was her own nanny, and her own stalker. Fandom_Wank regulars seemed willing to point and laugh without assigning a hero and a villain, but Msscribe's friends and FictionAlley insiders in general were not nearly so laid back.

Msscribe went on the offensive, insulting and taunting the GT people in new posts on her own LJ and in comments to the many posts that people made defending her. Her description of the GTers as "cockroaches" spread like wildfire. flourish (a young girl who was one of the founders of FA) made a GT cockroach icon, and quite a few people adopted and used it:


snagged from [info]professorjewels, created by flourish


Here is a typical post from a Msscribe supporter, [info]nmalfoy (one of those honored as Big Name Sinners by Fermatojam):
The magic of Harry Potter...
...has entered the muggle world. That's right, kids! Now, thanks to the magic of Harry Potter, you can do things never before possible! You can post from your computer while lying unconscious in a hospital bed! You can attend funerals and still be able to post on Livejournal at the same time!

But that's not all! You, too, can use PhotoWizard and manipulate images and destroy reputations! You can lie and stalk and hurt people!

See here for full details! Don't wait! Act now while you still can! This offer is not available in stores so contact [info]gryffindortower if you too would like to be transformed into a petty, lying, hateful, mean, malicious excuse for a human being!

Hang in there, msscribe.

[info]irinaauthor said this:
My friend msscribe has just been publicly accused of committing a crime. You can read the accusations here and here. They say that she committed cyber-fraud and cyber-identity theft, both of which are against the law. This accusation is false, and it is defamation. You can read [info]praetorianguard's excellent explanation of why right here.

IP addresses can easily be faked and fabricated, as the people who made this accusation are well aware. Read their acknowledgement of the fact here. Apparently screencaps showing incriminating IP addresses are unreliable and easily faked when one's friends are implicated, but are perfectly valid, reliable pieces of evidence when it comes to accusing msscribe. For a technical analysis of why the IP evidence in question does not support the accusations made against msscribe, see [info]zorac's entry here.

Frankly, I find the behavior of some members of this fandom absolutely appalling.
And in the comments to this post, [info]epicyclical (Cassandra Claire) said this:
Thank you for pointing this all out, Irina. Not to mention that the evidence they are waving around here is a great deal shoddier than the evidence that I had. I'd like to think they are just stupid, but the unhappy fact is that these are not just extremely stupid people (as evidenced by the fact that they are too stupid, apparently, to tell the difference between "defamantion" and opinion". For instance, I can say, "In my opinion, the GT.net admins are the most two-faced, backstabbing, inherently nasty, paranoid, delusional psychopaths that I have ever had the displeasure of meeting in this or any other fandom" and that's not defamatory, because it's my opinion. Just for reference.) In addition, they are also are people who have adopted such a cultish, clique mindset that they are no longer able to distinguish reality from demented paranoid fantasy. Fortunately nobody in the fandom pays them the slightest respect or attention. Huge as this fandom is, as scattered and as divided as it is, we have one thing that unites us - we all despise GT.

So... it's fair to say the whole thing didn't work out exactly as GT had hoped. Far from being vindicated and exonerated, they were despised and reviled even more fiercely than ever before. And I'm afraid that the thought of being the factor that brought together the scattered and divided fandom as it united in despising them did not provide much solace.


The GTers expressed themselves with all they wry humor they could muster, proudly adopted Flourish's icon, created and displayed their own cockroach icons...


snagged from [info]professorjewels and [info]carissa_lynn, created by a GT member

...and resigned themselves to being hated. This was posted on the GT LJ community on June 6th:
A brand new trend has hit GT. No, it's not our latest theme, although you might want to check that out. It seems that the ever lovely and mature flourish appreciates us all so much she designed a new avatar for us all to use at GT. So we've adopted it. You know, because we've got a hive mentality and all that. I was just looking down my friends page earlier, and it was wall to wall icons from flourish. So if you haven't got in on the new trend I urge you to do so now. Here's the link to the avatar. Just plug that url into your LJ avatar, make it your default and you're ready to roll.

Oh, and just so you all know, I'm not making this post in any sort of official capacity.

Anne for Anne
It must have been surreal for the GTers to confirm just how much they were hated -- and how widely -- by people they didn't even know. And the people running the FictionAlley website soon made that even clearer.



June 2003 -- Msscribe and FictionAlley
We have seen that Msscribe's defenders included Cygnus, Irina, Nancy Malfoy, Ari_O, and Cassandra Claire. The powers-that-be at FictionAlley rallied to Msscribe's defense in a more formal way, as well. You have already seen several posters allude to the fact that [info]praetorianguard, an attorney representing both FictionAlley and Nimbus, made this post (which I can't see anymore, but some people may be able to) with a bunch of legal sounding stuff about what constitutes defamation, seemingly intended to warn the Gryffindor Tower people that they could be sued or prosecuted if they continued to persecute msscribe. Simon (then SJBranford, now [info]owlman, on LJ) made an "official statement" in the name of FictionAlley (Heidi, the usual spokesperson, was out on maternity leave) both on his own LJ and on the FA site saying basically that the FA corporation wasn't the same as people-who-happened-to-be-members (in response to complaints like this one about FA mods at [info]gt_hidden_room), and linking to and agreeing with Praetorianguard's post about defamation.

The next thing that happened was that on June 9, 2003 -- five days after GT published their IP evidence -- Msscribe was made a mod at FictionAlley. SCUSA mod [info]aome (known as Plumeria) was stepping down, and Msscribe was chosen to replace her. This appeared to be a particularly pointed slap in the face to the GTers because Msscribe had never been active at FA -- she had made only 31 posts at that point, of which 21 were pimping her own fics or responding to reviews, and only ten were "normal" posts. This was also at a time when becoming a mod at FA was considered a particularly coveted honor, something that hundreds of members aspired to in vain (they were told to post actively and responsibly and hope that they would get noticed), and something that was considered to imply membership in what was still being called "The Inner Circle." It would have been the bitter pinnacle of irony if Msscribe had been put in charge of the H/G thread at SCUSA, but that didn't quite happen -- instead she was in charge of the R/Hr thread (among others). As far as I know, she did a fine job.

[info]tartanboxers made this friendslocked post in response, which she has given me permission to copy here:
How to Become a FA Mod in Eight Easy Steps
1. Get a Live journal.

2. Friend as many of the FA in crowd as you can.

3. Post all sorts of hip and cool things. For example tell everyone how your toddler is experimenting with her sexuality by snogging other girls. You get extra points if you manage to insult conservative Christians in the process. Another thing you can post about is your lovely interest in esoteric things like Art History.

4. If this fails to get everyone's attention, try inventing a pseud or two to cheer you on. They can tell everyone what a wonderful person you are, how you took them in when they were down to their last dime. Or get your other internet friends to post what a wonderful and modest person you are.

5. If this still doesn't work, invent a few more pseuds to harrass you in the name of nutty Christians everywhere. Have them make a list of big name sinners in the fandom. Make sure the list includes you, and all the names of the FA in-crowd.

6. Start something to make GT look bad. You're just the coolest in their eyes if you get into it with GT. Extra points if you can somehow bring stalking into it.

7. By now everyone should know your name. You have got the undivided attention of those whose friendship you wanted to cultivate. Now it's time to whine about how horrible those H/G shippers are. How they're always starting trouble. It doesn't matter who really did start it because no one cares. They just want an excuse to bash GT.

8. Sit back and wait. Relax. Do a little shopping. Make peace with your ass. Take a nice hot bath. You should become an FA mod any day now.
To which Angua9 made the following comment (which she has also given me permission to copy here):
Heh. And people used to think it was hard breaking into the FA Inner Circle! But now we know their weakness -- as long as you flatter them constantly and carefully confirm their prejudices, they'll swallow anything!

It was also at this juncture, on June 6, 2003, that Angua and Dianora became alarmed at the rate that posts were disappearing from Msscribe's LJ, not to mention the complete disappearance of Pottersginny's and Infinitus's LJs. All their lovely evidence was vanishing! Dianora immediately downloaded and saved all the posts from Msscribe's LJ that still remained public at that time, and some other information that she considered particularly important. She has very kindly shared those downloads with me, and this account is heavily dependent on that information.


At this point, I think the GTers gave up. Msscribe was impregnable. She had lawyers on her side -- Heidi, Praetorianguard, and her own husband. She had money. She had the support of the fandom. She had the stomach, which they mostly lacked, to relish public confrontation and vicious invective. And -- apparently -- she had the ability and willingness to make and use malicious sockpuppets to manipulate public opinion. Msscribe had won. Now it was time for her to party!



CHAPTER SIX - MSSCRIBE IN THE AFTERMATH



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[info]la_beste
2006-06-17 05:15 pm UTC (link)
There's nothing that says "Not an ounce of life to call my own" quite like creating sockpuppets to get in bed with Harry Potter forum admins.

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[info]topaz
2006-06-17 05:20 pm UTC (link)
This woman is a pathlogical liar and a fraud. What she did to the GT and the HP fandom as a whole is nothing short of appalling. How anyone can defend this person is beyond my comprehension.

I hope all her so called defenders are ashamed of their actions back then, though I highly doubt it. Apparently being a BNF in the HP fandom gives you a pass on having a conscience

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(no subject) - [info]fpb, 2006-06-18 02:31 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-06-17 05:24 pm UTC (link)
Yay! Was very excited that this part came up. I think it's crazy that not many people believed GT even in the face of all this evidence, but I guess the anti-H/G and anti-GT mentality was so strong. It boggles my mind anyway, but thanks for the fascinating read! I'm looking forward to the next installment...

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[info]white_serpent
2006-06-17 05:32 pm UTC (link)
I'd say that it boggled the mind, but, sadly, I'm not surprised.

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[info]lulinda
2006-06-17 05:35 pm UTC (link)
All to be in with the BNFs! Gah! It's just such a LAMEASS goal for all this trouble. Fuck, did she even get an iPod out of it?

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(no subject) - [info]dreamworld, 2006-06-18 04:23 am UTC
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[info]peachespig
2006-06-17 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Wow.

I'm much too new in fandom to have been around for any of this. I thought the recent ship wars were bad, but they had absolutely nothing on this nightmare. And at least in the ship wars, both sides were honestly arguing their point of view. All this only used ships and politics and religion as a pretext for crushing some people and raising up others. I'm willing to hear another side to the story, of course, but this all seems pretty damning, and at the moment I'm just revolted.

Here are the bits that amaze me the most from [info]charlottelennox's account:
The most damaging thing, to my mind, is that both Msscribe and her racist attacker used an anonymizing service (why?) -- the same anonymizing service -- and were assigned the exact same number (and only three hours apart). What an ironic coincidence, huh?

Because that one post was in a forum Angua modded, she could see the IP [for Clarabella]. At a later time, Dianora became a mod for that same forum and could see the IP as well. It was 68.82.67.208, the fixed Comcast address used by Pottersginny, by the "real" Fermatojam, and (though Angua, Dianora, and the rest of the general public didn't know this at the time) by Msscribe in her emails to Carissa.

All IPs ever captured for Msscribe and all of her alleged sockpuppets (including Hgempress) come from one of these four sources. NONE of these supposedly independent entities EVER was logged from anywhere else, notably including Fermatojam and Clarabella, who were never logged from the universities they were supposedly attending.
Absolutely unreal. If anyone wants to argue Msscribe's innocence, explaining these points would be a good place to start.

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(no subject) - [info]la_beste, 2006-06-17 06:16 pm UTC
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[info]flyingphoenix
2006-06-17 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Alright...I was curious and I got there some help on this one but...anyway:

Registered at Portkey with following IP are:
Babygrrl 12.234.156.66
Msscribe 68.82.67.208
Clarabella 68.82.67.208


And Msscribe wasn't in hospital 2002 December, now was she?
I hope that helps.

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[info]azazello
2006-06-17 06:13 pm UTC (link)
the statement made was false

That is indeed the cornerstone of a libel action, but of course, with the rider that the person who calls libel bears the onus of proving that what has been said is false...

I'd be intrigued to see the case for the prosecution after this episode. It can't have ALL been the bloody nanny. And besides, aren't nannies employed to look after the kids? Not to spend 24/7 on their employer's PC.

I note someone said at the time that IP tracking is not conclusive. It may not be, but it was IP tracking got the disgraced seventies pop singer, Gary Glitter a three year stretch for downloading child pornography. The police trap went like this:

1. Set up website with faked and digitally manipulated pictures.

2. Logged hits, tracked IPs, found locations of IPs. ISPs do not mind helping the police find paedophiles or indeed other criminals.

3. Impound hard drive of suspect, examine, bring charges. They were able to find and shut down other sites Glitter had used (which was much of the point of the exercise, for the british police)

Glitter got three years (or thereabouts), and was eventually released. He's currently in the midst of a more riughteous bust over young girls in Thailand. He's going to be locked up for a lot longer. But it was IP tracking that nailed him.

Now, right, sockpuppetry is not of the same magnitude for a moment as downloading kiddie porn, and I'm not trying to equate the two for a moment. But that's not why I cited that example. At the same time, it seems to me that this nonsense charted above caused a lot of hurt to enough people to make it the sort of behaviour that does harm the fun of fandom. A site was lost. Presumably some of the fics hosted were also lost. That's sad and also harsh for the people who made the site - which was, when all is said and done, a favour done by a few fans for many.

This is an enthralling saga: Vanity Fair for the Potter fandom, with our young Becky ruthlessly climbing the social ladder, to be rewarded with a booth at Vanity Fair in the form of BNFness and a seat above the salt at the high table.

And the research is awesome. Investigative journalism!

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[info]rhiannonmr
2006-06-17 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Okay so the evidence is here. And there is plenty of it. So where the hell is msscribe and company to defend themselves? Oh right, they're creating the sock accts they will use to do that, since they don't want to get their pristine clean hands dirty rolling in the so called mud with all this evidence.

I don't buy a word of anyone saying it's easy to fabricate IP addresses or IP evidence. It's used in court all the damned time to bust kiddie pornographers so it's pretty freaking ironclad.

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[info]rotten_fish
2006-06-17 06:21 pm UTC (link)
I guess it's like that old platitude, 'Evil will always win because Good doesn't have Sockpuppets.'

Grim, miss. Very grim.

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(no subject) - [info]underyourspell, 2006-06-17 07:06 pm UTC

[info]alpheratz
2006-06-17 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Wow, it's like reading the great American novel. This is monumental, and thank you, oh kind author, for doing this.

I actually left fandom for f_w around that time, so while I was aware of the GT and pottersginny goings-on, it's amazing now to realise how all the major fandom debacles connect to this one person. I'm not particularly shocked, just stunned at the sheer size of the thing.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-17 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Ugh. Why did the one Anon have to be a "Kellie?" I hate it when people make my name look bad. *disapproves*

-themorningstarr on LJ

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[info]flyingphoenix
2006-06-17 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Apparently Infinitus was real. I guess she left soonly after she got that "PotterGinny" and "Msscribe" got the same IP. Heck, that explains why it was suddenly so very quite around her before she left in June.

But mind you the damage Msscribe left upon the fandom. And nobody had the guts to stand up against her from her inner circle? Hell...I can't believe that. I didn't need so long posts and explainations by GT admins to get that Msscribe created all this sockpuppets.

No...I don't want to think about that. It just makes me angry on behalf of GT. They called them names and in the end got the whole site down. Great job...idiot.

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[info]kezya
2006-06-17 06:51 pm UTC (link)
My God. This is 100% addictive. I'm reading it like a good suspense novel. I can't wait for the next part!

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The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208
[info]peachespig
2006-06-17 07:04 pm UTC (link)
So I'm trying to put this all together from the last two entries, including the new information in the comments above from [info]flyingphoenix. Forget for the moment the "Anonymizer" IP addresses, and focus just on this one, 68.82.67.208, apparently just an ordinary address registered to Comcast Cable. It seems we have all of the following from that one address:
Fermatojam joined GT using it - reported by Carissa of GT, part 4, screencap here

pottersginny posted at [info]harry_and_ginny using it - reported by [info]bohemianvixen, part 4, screencap here

Msscribe emailed Carissa using it, part 5, screencap here

Clarabella posted at Sugarquill using it, seen by Angua and Dionora, part 5

And now: Both Msscribe and Clarabella JOINED PORTKEY using that address, reported in the comments to part 5 by [info]flyingphoenix here.
Sugarquill, Gryffindor Tower, private email, the harry_and_ginny community, and now Portkey too. Confirmed by people in multiple communities and with multiple shipping preferences.

Wow!

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Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - [info]eviloperative, 2006-06-17 07:08 pm UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - [info]azazello, 2006-06-17 07:11 pm UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - [info]eviloperative, 2006-06-17 07:16 pm UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - (Anonymous), 2006-06-17 07:34 pm UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - [info]mrs_bombastic, 2006-06-17 07:42 pm UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - (Anonymous), 2006-06-17 10:49 pm UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - (Anonymous), 2006-06-18 02:11 am UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - [info]the_cabal, 2006-06-17 07:56 pm UTC
Re: The saga of IP address 68.82.67.208 - [info]alphabet26, 2006-06-17 08:37 pm UTC

[info]esclaramonde
2006-06-17 07:15 pm UTC (link)
I think this chapter is the most sickening, at least so far. Maybe it's because there are more quotes from real people who were supporting MsScribe. *shudders*

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[info]ingrid
2006-06-17 07:19 pm UTC (link)
*does wild fangirl dance*

Just got home from a boring party and IT'S PRESENT TIME FOR ME!

*runs off to read*

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sockpuppet_rat
2006-06-17 07:20 pm UTC (link)
This whole story is...wow. And the best part is that it reads like a great 'True Crime' novel.

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[info]ingrid
2006-06-17 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Fantastic. Just ... a fantastic and soul-destroyingly shameful tale with an ending that's going to break my heart, I just know it.

There *is* no justice in the face of such mindless emotionalism. That's the way fandom's always been and will be it seems.

This tale needed to be told and how skillfully told it is. I sent people here from my LJ and they are rightly boggling ... and, I hope, learning from it.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-17 07:37 pm UTC (link)
I think what's equally as disgusting as defaming GA is msscribe's shameless and ugly stereotyping of conservative Christians, not only to boost her ego/popularity, but just for her own amusement, I would suspect.

Oh, snap, and then you take into consideration that poor, abused Muslim woman that walked right out of Ye Olde Muslim Stereotype Handbook...fuck. Just...fuck.

- buongiornodaisy @ LJ

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-17 07:52 pm UTC (link)
All this is so rivetting. I think Charlottelennox should publish this in a book format. I know I'd buy it!

penny_sieve@LJ

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-17 07:52 pm UTC (link)
Good Lord. I've been in the fandom since 2002 and I was only vaguely aware of this -- didn't even bother to check after seeing posts about this on my FL.

Fantastic work, you all. Heartbreaking, really, especially that part where Msscribe's friends were all in support of her. I'm no techie but Zorac's post was more incriminating than anything. What are the odds, indeed.

Of course this only makes me miss GT the more.


ladyofthesnitch @ LJ

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Guh. - (Anonymous), 2006-06-17 08:07 pm UTC
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[info]alphabet26
2006-06-17 08:05 pm UTC (link)
How--how did this just...happen? GT had everything and all Msscribe had were a few BNFs on her side, and it was enough to get people to ignore the evidence?

You know, if somehow there is an explanation, why haven't they hurried over to provide it?

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There's only one explanation - [info]lasultrix, 2006-06-19 03:46 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-06-17 08:41 pm UTC (link)
What I'm finding most fascinating is that people are now criticizing Charlottelennox (in comments (http://camillabloom.livejournal.com/243792.html)), claiming she's obviously someone with too much time on her. OMG it BURNS. MsScribe set out to systematically destroy the reputations of a very specific group of people, all to be popular on the INTERNET. Um, maybe she's the one with too much time on her hands? Maybe she's the one you should be calling batshit insane? Ya think.

People will do anything to avoid admitting they made a mistake.

By the way, whoever you are, miss lennox, you are teh awesome.

jenadamson on lJ

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[info]telesilla
2006-06-17 08:42 pm UTC (link)
Frankly I think this is a very interesting look at the cult of personality on the internet and in fandom.

And I'm not just talking about misscribe here, although if she even did half this stuff just to get attention, she pretty much loses at life. I'm talking about this account of it too, because, damn, but this has "big flaming grudge" written all over it, what with the thanking of the GT people for their proof and the JF and LJs that were created just to bring this story to the public's attention.

I suspect that a lot of what's being said here IS true. For me it's not the IP addresses that nail it, but the stylistic similarities between the various socks, the almost improbable coincidences, the alibis that won't match up and the whole thing with details like people's bios changing.

However, I think that you, [info]charlottelennox, might want to pay a little bit of attention to the whole VB/OB Tent Moot wank. If you're a fandom historian, you might find it interesting to note that over zealous pursuit of a fannish grudge, no matter how justified, can make you look like a real wanker.

And either way, I find the whole thing entertaining as fuck, so it's kind of win-win for me.

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I spell gud - [info]oulangi, 2006-06-18 01:17 am UTC
Re: I spell gud - [info]carlanime, 2006-06-18 01:28 am UTC
Re: I spell gud - [info]waltraute, 2006-06-18 01:31 am UTC
Re: I spell gud - [info]fuzzytowers, 2006-06-18 03:30 am UTC
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