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Old 03-08-2018, 01:37 PM
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They showed in the trailer for BfA the alliance taking over the plaguelands, home of the Argents, though that could be hyperbole on Blizzard's part.
That doesn't mean the Alliance is going to force the Argents to join, or kick the Horde races out.
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Old 03-09-2018, 02:56 AM
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They would if they acted like a capable coalition. But they don't.
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Old 03-09-2018, 11:39 AM
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How were the plaguelands called before the plague?
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:30 PM
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How were the plaguelands called before the plague?
The Eastweald, according to Chronicle Volume 1, 2, and 3.

EDIT: I wonder what the origins of the virmen are. At BlizzCon 2011 they were called "akin to kobolds"; obviously that could just mean they're similar to kobolds (small, annoying, rodent-like humanoids with a distinctive catch phrase), but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they were an offshoot of kobolds. While they're mainly rabbit-like, they do also have rat-like features (the tail, mainly), and weirder things have happened when it comes to Azerothian evolution (Cenarius' family tree, for one). I suppose they could also just be rabbits that drank from the Vale of Eternal Blossoms' waters, specificially the runoff that ended up in the Valley of the Four Winds, but I would personally find that to be a pretty boring explanation.
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:50 PM
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I hereby repeat my expert opinion that Bloodthistle ought be considered a plant with literal thistles that are applied to one's tongue, entering the bloodstream as it interacts with taste buds.

Having it ground up and smoked, as depicted in the draft to Shadow of the Sun? Boo! Lousy!

EDIT: This random thought inspired by Jessica Jones Season 2 and the "combat enhancer" subplot.

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Old 04-14-2018, 04:30 PM
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I was just thinking, does chronicles ever describe the climate of Kalimdor pre-sundering? I noticed looking at the map, that with no large bodies of water in the interior, it should be mostly desert:https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20160316000142

EDIT: I wanted to post the map here, but the file is too big

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Old 04-14-2018, 06:43 PM
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I think it was mostly temperate. The area around the Well of Eternity wasn't a desert at all.

Do remember that there was Mystical Titan Blood flowing around everywhere, so...
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:20 AM
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Azeroth was terraformed by the titans and the titan description of nature seems to be synonymous with forest, so most likely it was all forest

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The titans built their forges on top of a flesh-layered Azeroth

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Rackenfracken...

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Iron_Horde
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The orcs of main-universe Draenor were said to not have been seafarers, as most of the superstitious clans feared the open sea... [citation Chronicle Volume 2]

...like how the Iron Horde has several fleets when the orcs were supposed to fear the seas.
Volume 2 really says that several clans feared the open sea? So angryfaced, yet strangely resigned.

You know, I'd flirted with the idea of buying Volume 2 after all this time. But bleh!

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Rackenfracken...

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Iron_Horde


Volume 2 really says that several clans feared the open sea? So angryfaced, yet strangely resigned.

You know, I'd flirted with the idea of buying Volume 2 after all this time. But bleh!
Doesn't mean all clans were like that. Plus, it shows ogres were great seafaterws. The Gorian Empire had land on other continents of Dawgar beyond the main one, for example.
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I'm not sure why the Iron Horde's fleet makes for a disparity. They probably both started out predominantly fearing the sea, which stands to reason, since on Draenor the sea is basically inhabited by a fungal hivemind that's always trying to spread onto the continent and consume everything. Honestly it'd make sense if every native race on Draenor were pretty terrified of the sea; it's a nightmarish expanse of waters infested by an infectious fungal ecosystem that routinely vomits horrors onto the coastlines and aggressively strives to spread its contagions inland. Unlike Azeroth, being inland may not even be a surefire defense against the terrors of Draenor's seas, as the Crimson Fen in Gorgrond is treated like some unknown, recent thing and its layout suggests it may have spread inland along a river to infect the surrounding area.

We saw with both Draenors that once you unify the orcs with a bunch of fancy stuff that lets them handily murder everything they've ever been afraid of, they tend to lose their fear. So when they got fel magic in the MU depleting and killing off the environment, or powerful technology in the AU that let them blast the crap out of anything that threatened them, they got over their fear and built a bunch of ships.

Because that Wowpedia citation also omits that according to Chronicle 2, the MU orcs did build a fleet at the height of their power on Draenor. By that time the draenei, arakkoa and ogres were already beaten, but the orcs built a bunch of ships to travel to Farahlon and exterminate the Primals living there.

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Because that Wowpedia citation also omits that according to Chronicle 2, the MU orcs did build a fleet at the height of their power on Draenor. By that time the draenei, arakkoa and ogres were already beaten, but the orcs built a bunch of ships to travel to Farahlon and exterminate the Primals living there.
Actually, the book says that because the orcs weren't seafarers, the Bleeding Hollow relied on ogre shipwrights to build vessels capable of crossing the ocean in order to get to Farahlon (page 97), which is consistent with what is stated later when the Horde constructs their fleet prior to the Second War (page 151).
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Actually, the book says that because the orcs weren't seafarers, the Bleeding Hollow relied on ogre shipwrights to build vessels capable of crossing the ocean in order to get to Farahlon (page 97), which is consistent with what is stated later when the Horde constructs their fleet prior to the Second War (page 151).
Well right, they had the ogres do it because they weren't previously seafarers themselves.

Draenor's orcs probably weren't either, until Garrosh and his Blackfuse allies showed them how to build warships. Which would stand to reason, as the ogres were completely blindsided by the orcs sinking their fleet, so they probably never even conceived of the possibility that the orcs could build warships of their own.

Moreover, once their ogre-built ships were finished, the MU orcs were willing to sail them to Farahlon, so they'd apparently gotten over their fear of the seas. Perhaps because by then they were under the effects of the demonic blood haze and the planet's widlife was beginning to die off from the fel, so along with the orcs being more recklessly aggressive and bold the oceans could have also become less dangerous than they'd been before.
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