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# 241
10-12-2013, 07:41 AM
I said it once i say it again fire Geko and replace him with someone who has an idea about Star Trek and know something about MMO's.

Mr Stahl the shame is alos on your side, why are working there if you allow such things to happen.
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# 242
10-12-2013, 07:43 AM
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The Voth on the ship weren't the only Voth in the galaxy. That's like saying the Borg in the first cube the Enterprise D encountered were all the Borg in the galaxy.

The Romulans and Vulcans had major divergences in only a couple of millennia. Over 65 million years Voth on different ships could have huge evolutionary divergences. The Voth in the Dyson Sphere could be quite socially different then the Voth the Voyager met.
Goes without saying in 65 million years that the once encountered in Voyager wouldn't be the only ones in the galaxy. But you have a point. There must have been some kind of split off at some time in the past.

I'm just curious to see how Cryptic will explain this; Why the Voth are in the Dyson Sphere?
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# 243
10-12-2013, 07:49 AM
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What explanation do you think is necessary? The scientists were basically outcasts. The ones in power were pretty much the Space Taliban. Exactly the types the Federation wouldn't get along with.
The Space Taliban? Now that is a harsh description of the Voth. Yeah the scientists were probably outcasts, but I just want to know why they are inside of the Dyson Sphere in the first place. Is it their home or are they looking for something there? That's why I want some kind of an explanation.
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# 244
10-12-2013, 08:13 AM
Give me one second...

The Voth where established in canon as scientists.
Now, Cap.Gecko says "let's make them soldiers because that's cool.

Now you guys are trying to justify that decision?

Have you ever come the conclusion that Cap.Gecko could be just wrong and just lacking enough sense and feeling for Star Trek?
We have seen many decisions of that man being at least questionable, and yet some of Cryptics fans are loyaly trying to defend it by twisting everything so it could make a bit sense.

I'm not blaming the fans for being loyal to Cryptic, we all are (to a certain degree) or we wouldn't have this discussion. I blame the people in possion of the IP to allow Cryptic to alienate Star Trek so much from its basis.


I wonder what the Lord of the Rings fans would have done if Peter Jackson would have been so careless with their IP, as Cryptic is with Star Trek.
I am not completely against changes, when done right.
But in my opinion Cryptics devs (and especially Cap.Gecko) shows a totally lack of feeling and understanding of what Star Trek is about.
Things are getting bend and twisted just for the sake of Capt.Geckos understanding of "cool", no matter if it does still feel like Star Trek or not. Cryptic shouldn't be surprised if people getting displeased. But i am sure if the money still keeps flowing they don't care, lol.

If decisions are always made like this (Capt Gecko says "no", everyone gratefully agrees ) then its no wonder why STO is so un- Star Trek at all.
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# 245
10-12-2013, 08:18 AM
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Why stick guns on animals to fight? Use the damn mechs or antigravity vehicles or just render the technology of your foe useless with your imba technology and be done with it.
The cold war era Soviet Army, one of the most heavily mechanized armies ever had a mortar designed specifically to be carried by mules. Because animals like horses, mules and donkeys can go places vehicles can't.

The Siamese used Elephants with cannons and machine guns mounted on them in their 1893 war with the French. The Arabs used camels with weapons. Some of this stuff stuck around though the World Wars, horses are still used; cavalry was used in Afghanistan.

One major thing to consider with using Dinosaurs as weapons; terror. Most species would probably be terrified of them. There is a PsyOps benefit of using them.
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# 246
10-12-2013, 08:31 AM
If we've got T-Rex enemies, can we have an Argo buggy to run away from them in? NOW IS THE TIME.
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# 247
10-12-2013, 08:35 AM
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The cold war era Soviet Army, one of the most heavily mechanized armies ever had a mortar designed specifically to be carried by mules. Because animals like horses, mules and donkeys can go places vehicles can't.

The Siamese used Elephants with cannons and machine guns mounted on them in their 1893 war with the French. The Arabs used camels with weapons. Some of this stuff stuck around though the World Wars, horses are still used; cavalry was used in Afghanistan.

One major thing to consider with using Dinosaurs as weapons; terror. Most species would probably be terrified of them. There is a PsyOps benefit of using them.
We all get the history lesson type posts but give one example where humans used less evolved humans as a tool of war. I suppose the irony and satire of dinosaurs using dinosaurs and perhaps riding dinosaurs is lost on you are others here? It would be the equivalent of us cloning Neanderthals and mounting machine guns on their shoulders before sending them into Fallujah. It's a bad and stupid idea that would never happen.
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# 248
10-12-2013, 08:55 AM
Assimilated BORG armored T-Rex.........could be interesting
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# 249
10-12-2013, 08:57 AM
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Should we talk about TNG and being possessed by ancient "gods" while the crew wore their masks? How about all the lighthearted episodes Q was in? They were all done for comedy. How about the episode where all the crew de-evolved and Worf was essentially an ogre? The crew in Sherwood Forest?

The point is each series had wacky things in them. Trek wasn't always all serious. It used humor, drama, angst, guilt, and so on just like most other TV shows.
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# 250
10-12-2013, 09:03 AM
I'm just curious to see how Cryptic will explain this; Why the Voth are in the Dyson Sphere?[/quote]

Perhaps having the resources and technology to build city ships to go from A to B then perhaps they would have the technology to build the dyson spheres in the first place to protect themselves, Possibly from the Iconians.
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