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Well, this comment got me thinking about Uncyc and it's attitude to ED again. Firstly, let me point out this isn't about an against vote on an image of mine; it's about this blanket denial that anything that ED might have done could ever be funny. ^  And that's bullshit. My confession to you is this: In addition to having been here on Uncyc for over three years, I am also an EDiot and a /b/tard. I like some elements of the humour that I find on both (and frankly, both have elicited larger laughs from me than Uncyclopedia has managed to recently). I'm not into their trolling or the more puerile stuff I find on either, but occasionally there's something so immediately hilarious that I just can't help myself. It's been a while since Uncyc actually caused that kind of involuntary reaction.

Anyway, it seems that this false polarisation still continues; if a joke is seen to have "originated" on ED or on "one of the other sites that we're so very much better than" (or even to have *gasp* something in common with them), it is dismissed out of hand. This is akin to sitting stone-faced through a performance by a comedian that you've decided that you don't like and supressing the amusement that an occasional joke makes you feel. I can't stand Little Britain for example, but there have been times where it's been on, and it managed to make me laugh - against my will, sure, but they just did something funny. I'd feel like a right prick if I tried to deny that to myself.

"But ED is full of trolls, shock images, racism and retarded humour", you cry. Yeah. But you know what? It doesn't pretend any different, and that's somewhere where it wholly trumps Uncyclopedia. When you visit ED you know exactly what you're getting. Here, we're just painting a quasi-intellectual inclusive veneer over everything, while at the same time sniping, gossiping and caballing behind each others' backs; and then acting surprised when the result of any community initiative is either inaction or drama.

I'm not sure why I started writing this anymore. I guess at first it was to point out the hypocrisy of criticising sites that we see as "beneath us" when we're incapable of keeping our own house in order. All I know is that these days it's much more fun to be an anon with no responsibilities than to have people bugging me about shit all the time. This isn't a "goodbye" message, I'm still here. I just don't really care as much anymore. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 11:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I discovered the medieval image creator from /b/, not ED, not that it even matters

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Just as a reply, I have never worked on the assumption that we were somehow comparible. Although I've often heard you say we are. Thats not a dig, its just that I don't get ED - and I have to say I could feel no pride in contibuiting to such a site. I hope you will come to Embrace Mediocrity and feel part a part of our Global Village again:)--Sycamore (Talk) 11:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

"This isn't a "goodbye" message, I'm still here." Too right. You ain't goin' nowhere, sugar (said in frightening 'large black man in prison' voice). RabbiTechno 11:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Codeine - I'm sure there's a vast user base that doesn't care if you contribute to ED or not. I don't even know what ED is, and I'm always in the majority. Think of all us who are completely ignorant of bitching and gossiping, and start caring again. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 11:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

...ok? I don't really know what I'm supposed to say to this, Codeine... I thought everyone on the internet at least lurked 4chan occasionally. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 11:59, Dec 15

I've been guilty of the occasional "sub-ED crap" comment on VFD, so I guess I'm one of the ones in the Codeine sights here. Thing is, I think partly because of the trolling, ED is pretty much lazy shorthand round here for certain types of memey, listy, shock unfunny stuff. I don't actually feel that strongly about it myself, being of the opinion that the two sites have somewhat different aims, and if people prefer one or the other, that's their decision, and they're welcome to make it. I've chuckled at maybe one or two things on ED, although the shock and so forth keeps me from frequenting it regularly. I also happily chuckle at ?pedia, although it's not the kind of stuff I feel comfortable writing. I agree we can't criticise other sites for being beneath us - maybe we need to fall out of that shorthand. And just as Codeine wasn't sure what his point was, I'm not sure what the point of this response is, except that we need to remember to enjoy this place, and not take it too seriously, or we'll end up with nothing happening. Incidentally, I'm definitely not here this week. Nuh huh. Nope. --UU - natter UU Manhole 12:18, Dec 15

I don't care about ED. If I was an EDite, I probably would. Then, I wouldn't be here. Instead, I'd be there not caring about here. I would, however, still be naked, but that's a given. Lastly, they aren't "beneath us". Uncyclopedia is the worst. Uncyclopedia! They're just different, like slashdot to boingboing. Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 13:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Ive been saying this for years. Nobody ever listens to me...--Nytrospawn 17:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Also: Frankly, Codeine, if you found something at /b/ and thought to make a jew joke, didn't it cross your mind that maybe someone had already made the same joke? If there's something antisemitic to be said, chances are that Anon has said it. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 19:41, Dec 15

Golly, maybe you could give me internet lessons in your spare time? After you've finished going and fucking yourself, that is. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 13:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Are you two brothers? 'Cause you sound like you're brothers. LED is Wyatt and Codeine is Chet. Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 23:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
You know, Codeine, you may not realize it, but when you're sarcastic like that to me, it hurts, you know? In here. It hurts me, man, and I'm crying inside. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 01:37, Dec 17

For a second I thought Codeine was going to admit he actually supports Southampton FC. --Nachlader 20:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

And that joke right went over my head. Maybe an American version is that he supports the Cubs. --Mr. Monkey Sockmonkey Pant-hoot here. 02:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I want my own heading

So I guess this is something I'm guilty of so I'll put my two peneth worth in... And funnily enough, Little Britain is a good analogy for me too. It's very possible that some things on that show would make me laugh. But the first time I watched it I was nearly sick during a particularly gross joke (I'm not good with the idea of bodily fluids in food, even typing this I'm feeling nauseous). So I've not ever watched it again... it's just not my thing, and I don't want to go there.

ED is similar. I've had good relationships with admins there, and with people I know are users there, but there are some things on that site that I find so offensive that I don't want to have anything to do with the site. In one case I was literally brought to tears over a page where site members documented their horrific bullying and (imo) sexual assault of a man with a serious disability (God, this makes me sound like a right pansy, throwing up and crying over everything I see.... but this was my genuine reaction)

That's not to say I'm not sometimes offended by things on Uncyc, and I'm not saying there is nothing funny on ED. I'm sure there is. But I don't like shock humour. I don't like that some groups and individuals online are unable to see that those on the other side of the screen are real and can be seriously hurt. I'll laugh at someone slipping on a banana, I won't laugh at someone losing their job and marriage because they fell for a fake advert on Craig's List.

So... I'm not sure how well connected all that is with what Codeine said. I agree that it's silly to dismiss a joke because it originated at ED or /b/ (which I haven't mentioned much, because I hardly know the site). I don't want to go anywhere near the extremes of their humour, but I don't dismiss everything they do by any means. But the harm that they can do at their worst is certainly something I want to think of myself as "above". It's certainly something I hope I am above. And it's something I know that Codeine is way above. -- sannse@fandom (talk) 12:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with Codeine and Sannse (partly to avoid bannination if I don't toe the party line). I personally dislike ED - there's some funny stuff there, but there's also a lot of very unpleasant articles, racism, bullying, trolling and no end of other rot. As a result of which, I don't visit it. On the other hand, there's no need to dismiss the image as unworthy simply because something similar exists there. RabbiTechno 12:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
It's true. On the whole I hate ED because it's just plain mean, a really bad school bully. I will admit that some stuff on there is quite funny (I found the article on 'Illogicopedia' humorous) but it's trumped by the other crud that goes on there (promoting bullying, general arsing about with peoples' minds) which is really not to my taste. That's-a my two penneth, for all it's not worth. -- Hindleyite Converse 15:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
The attacking ED is more of a meme/ in-joke than an actual statement about ED's quality. It's similar to our mocking of wikipedia because our articles sometimes are less indecent than their articles on the same subject. ED is funny at times, and is mildly useful when you want to find out about an internet meme. That is, when your not overwhelmed by the child pr0n and the cyber bullying. Oh, the pr0n ads are really annoying too.
There is some stuff on this site that I do find offensive, like blasphemous articles (and by blasphemy, I mean blasphemy against my God, blasphemy against other gods is freaking hilarious). I avoid being offended constantly by not clicking on links to the various Jesii. (I find that much more effective than the more common method of having hissy fits in the talk page of said articles) There is also some other stuff where I think uncyclopedia holds back too much, like on racism. And I sure everybody else can find areas where the uncyclopedia policy is either too offensive or not offensive enough.--Mnbvcxz 17:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Right - if someone explains to me convincingly what's supposed to be funny about racism. Unless you were making some kind of joke there. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 07:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Er, that was ambiguous. Of course racists are comical all on their own, no joke needed. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 07:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
What about honkeys? Humour about honkeys is funny, right? Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 08:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't see anything particularly funny about someone's failure to be colored, either. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 12:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Erm... if any of this has to do with Codeine's 9/11 image, I don't see what that has to do with racism and anti-semitism. It's simply a continuation to that Borat joke. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 14:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
All humor about stereotypes of certain races, nationalities, or sub-nationalities is actually racism. I just don't believe we should pull punches more when dealing with "certain groups".--Mnbvcxz 15:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Mnbvcxz - this site is not a place for a torrent of racial abuse and nonsense, although at some level this will go on, I do not think that should be our aim (it has not been). It is possible to be funny and not just stupid.--Sycamore (Talk) 15:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
And its possible to be funny and racist without being stupid too. And if youre gonna make fun of anyone then you gotta make fun of everyone, equally. otherwise its favoritism, which is just prejudice doing a handstand. Byronkawalski 01:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Let's make it clear then: when Sasha Baron Cohen, acting as Borat, made us think he believed "Jews" were responsible for the 9/11 attack, it was a racist joke? Or if it wasn't, continuing the joke is? There seems to be more to being politically correct than I ever knew. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 15:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Then can we get rid of the blasphemy, and the making fun of people's religious opinions, and making fun of people's political opinions, and making fun of physical and mental handicaps, and making fun of people who hold to outdated scientific theories, or emotionally fragile persons, or people who choose not to get a username when editing this. Thinking about, we should all be ashamed of ourselves for our prejudice in assuming that all persons who choose to edit this wiki as an ip address are vandals, cyber-bullies, or retards. Again, I'm an advocate of turning this into a racism wiki, but all humor based on race, ethnicity, or nationality is racism, to one extend or another.--Mnbvcxz 18:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
That certainly is true - but in the case of the Borat joke, the humour is not based on race, but on people's prejudices - twice over. So then? -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 18:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but people didn't choose to be raised to be racist and/or prejudiced, or be born too stupid to learn not be racist. You guys need to learn to stop making fun of stupid rednecks :)--Mnbvcxz 19:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
You almost win - but "redneck" can be of any persuasion, and to be prejudiced, a person doesn't have to be stupid (otherwise). If you can come up with something now, I resign. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 19:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Racism is hilarious when you make fun of the racist (like in Borat). Otherwise, though, it's just racism, and not really funny unless it's on Conservapedia. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 22:10, Dec 16
Ok, I give, up, I guess I just have a demented sense of humor :)--Mnbvcxz 05:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
No, it was good - now that you gave up I can confess you already had me discriminating myself for discriminating myself. -- Style Oranssiviiva Guide 07:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia:About, HTBFANJS.--Sycamore (Talk) 11:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

ED and Uncyc are different beasts and should never be mixed. Ever. quite. --Sir DJ ~ Irreverent Icons-flag-au Noobaward Wotm Unbooks mousepad GUN 05:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I MUST confess

Sometimes I feel so VERY gay. --Nachlader 20:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Here, have a rainbow. - RougethebatAdmiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate SonicLivesPicture 21:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Why come I can't see this whole forum?--74.75.42.47 04:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, never mind. Carry on.--74.75.42.47 04:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I must CONFESS

I pulled the wings off crane fly when I was a child -- sannse@fandom (talk) 16:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

You monster! Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 16:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I use clay to make little figures of what I think other Uncyc users look like. Then, late at night, I play games with them and arrange them so they're in sexual poses. RabbiTechno 16:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Whew, so I'm not the only one. Wanna hang out some time and play the game I invented? It's called 'lube up the action figures, take off all their clothes, feed them viagra, and see where it goes from there.' - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 22:01, Dec 16
We should invite Olipro, he plays it for real. RabbiTechno 13:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I make them out of pipe cleaners. Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 03:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

i must cFONESSS

ki am probaly the most drunk i have ever been at the moment in my short life tifght now so id'd priobably go and confess it. it's easier texting than typing on a loatptop for somewher erw reasons i';ll regret this in the moring i know because there's a little sanity in my me that knows THAT I AM drunkp0a and now i must hit the three or FICVE tiles --Nachlader 22:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC) which i've dones BYE

Good God, man! You are absolutely hammered! Well done! RabbiTechno 13:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
He's completely flamingoed -- sannse@fandom (talk) 15:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Isn't there a rule against editing this wiki drunk?--Mnbvcxz 17:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Lolz (as I believe the 'yoof' say) at flamingoed. I bloody hope not, Mnbvcxz, because I'd only be able to edit for about the first half an hour after I wake up. RabbiTechno 17:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
You wake up sober? Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 17:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I try to, so as to be able to enjoy getting drunk. RabbiTechno 17:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

You Must Confess!

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Confess, confess! Into the Comfy Chair with you. Confess, confess! :) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Modus is slacking!

... :P -- Hindleyite Converse 21:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

? I would've posted that template, but Codeine's confession was so genuine that it moved me to...not. Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 21:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

This comment isn't targeted to you, Codeine

...but to the people who post about ED all over this site... Why do we insist on being the greatest advertiser for ED on the internet?--<<Bradmonogram.png>> 11:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, we should stop advertising ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA --Nachlader 12:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
No, that site makes us look very high brow and witty.--Mnbvcxz 17:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Nuh uh! YOU'RE high brow and witty!--<<Bradmonogram.png>> 18:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I resent that remark; I am as low brow and unfunny as anyone else here; I just complain about the lack of wit because being a hypocrite is funny.--Mnbvcxz 01:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, while I don't like hypocrites, I respect the fact that you at least ADMIT to hypocrisy. That way, I know what I'm getting.--<<Bradmonogram.png>> 02:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

This comment is targeted to you, Codeine

...dude, your name is a pill! A pill, dude! - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 17:18, Dec 20

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