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Discussion in 'WWII Forums News' started by Slipdigit, Nov 27, 2010.

  1. Mussolini

    Mussolini Gaming Guru WW2|ORG Editor

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    Its pretty simple really: if you post an off-site link, share the reason why you gave it and your thoughts on whatever the linked-website/article discusses.

    Also, fully support this thread. Can't find any damn smileys to use though >.<
     
  2. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

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    go advanced and find the smily list, if needed click on the "more" option to open and additionnal window. If not you can type codes (I can send you the list if needed)
     
  3. C.Evans

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    thanks guys. Ill be attempting to learn how to do these things especially if I can get the money together for a new laptop. My old puter is dead as we speak.
     
  4. macrusk

    macrusk Proud Daughter of a Canadian WWII Veteran

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    I assume that cutting and pasting of obituaries into the Roll of Honour sections with citations to sources is still okay?

    I don't have a PM, so am also assuming that when I answer specific questions and I provide clips and links for people to do additional research is also still okay.
     
  5. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Eminently so. Please continue to do so without fail.

    We are referring to those who regurlarly create large numbers of threads with little more than a pasted URL and no intent for discussion.
     
  6. kerrd5

    kerrd5 Ace

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    On the other hand, cutting and pasting the complete text of an obit or any story is a violation of copyright:

    http://www.ww2f.com/roll-honor-memo...-veteran-long-time-social-justice-worker.html


    Dave
     
  7. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    I had a discussion on this very subject on another forum, and one of the resident conspiracy freaks accused me of trying to "stifle his right to freedom of speech".
    Dear God Almighty.....:rolleyes:
     
  8. Martin Bull

    Martin Bull Acting Wg. Cdr

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    What - sort of, ' I'll give you my bottle of paste when you take it from my cold, dead hands...' ? :D
     
  9. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    kerrd5 Ace

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    Sorry. That is simply not true.

    "The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission."

    U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use

    The Boston Globe Policy:

    "In all cases, permission is granted for specific use and under no circumstances may Globe content be further re-distributed or reproduced. Any such use without prior written permission from The Boston Globe constitutes a violation of federal copyright law."

    Reprints, Rights & Permissions - The Boston Globe
     
  11. mikebatzel

    mikebatzel Dreadnaught

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    I think Otto himself summed this argument up in the guideline thread for the Roll of Honor section.
    http://www.ww2f.com/roll-honor-memo...-obituaries-forums-guidelines-read-first.html
     
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    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    I am going to answer that with this from my original post:
    and add:

    The key is personal or professional gain, the interweb is public domain and therefore there is no implied or inferred copyright protections unless the publisher of the original material puts such measures in place prior to publishing. Such as what the Boston Globe has done. There are several online publications that you simply are unable to copy material from due to the format wich it is presented in such as 'snopes'.
     
  13. Mussolini

    Mussolini Gaming Guru WW2|ORG Editor

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    I dont quite see why there is an argument over it. Posts on this forum need to include your own original words. Copy/Pasting entire articles is not approved. A lot of you will remember a guy named JCFalkenburg. The majority of his posts were Copy/Pastes from other websites and when confronted by staff over this he chose to leave the forum. This is the internet - everyone can find those articles. There is no need to Copy/Paste. Re-read the forum rules and guides on Postings if this confuses you - it expressed it in there and Skipper and Slipdigit have even had to make new announcements on it because it has become such a problem. A Forum is a place for discussion. Pasting articles does not create discussion. Its like reading the news - ok, its there, i read it, so what? What do you want to discuss in regards to the news/article?

    For instance....I could post a link to Michael Jacksons death. Just the link - not the entire article. Then I could say something like, "RIP MJ, the King of Pop. It will be interesting to see what they do in regards to the doctor who was on scene giving MJ the drugs that eventually killed him. Does anyone else think this was extremely poor judgement/manslaughter?" Thus, expressing my views, I have also posed a question or point of discussion to which other people can respond to. Now THAT is the purpose of this Forum. Copy/Pasting does not belong ANYWHERE other then the one specific place where it is simply a necessity to continue the fulfillment of that section (as previously mentioned by Macrusk).
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Oh, much worse, Martin; this was a guy in Wales quoting the American Constitution supposedly giving him a right to freedom of speech.:rolleyes:
     
  15. kerrd5

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    He obviously quoted our Constitution because he could not locate yours. :)


    Dave
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Ah, but we know ours off by heart!:p
     
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    kerrd5 Ace

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    Except in Wales.


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  18. macrusk

    macrusk Proud Daughter of a Canadian WWII Veteran

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    I know when I started on the Forum, particularly back when there were far fewer articles about the Canadians I was a little cut & paste happy with links probably without comment because I felt intimidated to add anything and wanted the article to speak for itself. It becomes tricky from the viewpoint of wanting to share information. Sometimes the Forum isn't just about "discussion." Sometimes it is about bringing information forward.

    I've found myself torn at times, as I usually paste the link and write out the source of the information, however I vary between copying only a portion of the text and referring others to the link location or copying the entire article or even typing exerpts from books. On occasion I've gone back to the source of something I pasted only the excerpt only to find that the original article or website is long gone (i.e. where the Veteran who had the site has since died and its been discontinued) - so the information it contained is now lost. I don't think of this site as just a place for sharing opinion, I see it as a place of learning and a place to disseminate information to expert and novice, gained from multiple media sources.

    I do think that if there is a category under which a thread could contain links for information is better, ie. the thread I started long ago with research websites when it is related specifically for researching various regiments etc. Perhaps we should encourage those who want to post links to news articles related to a specific topic to make just one topic thread and contain the posts there, rather than creating multiple threads. For example in the Honour and Valour section, instead of various threads related to news articles about Veterans perhaps there should be one thread appropriately named into which these threads could be combined. I realize this paragraph could perhaps best be suited to an Admin/Moderator/Trustee discussion, but thought it should also be thrown out there for the consideration and comment of the Forum members.
     
  19. Ron Goldstein

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    Thought you might like to receive comment from someone who has had to pull someone up for a copy & paste offence.

    I write as someone who has posted an obscene amount of"stuff" on the internet without bothering too much on claiming copyright. Working on the basis that once I have written and posted an article it is in the public domain and anyone can read it I am more than happy to see the info aired BUT only if the source is shown and due credit given.

    Recently a website run by a large company printed one of my articles without revealing the source. I wrote them a strong objection and they quickly removed the article. I rubbed their noses in it by stating that if they had written to me in the first place asking permission to publish I would have said yes without any qualification whatsoever.

    And can I wish you all a Happy New Year ?

    (Please publish this quoting the source) :)

    Ron
     
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