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We've put up with board deterioration for too long...it's time to act...or is it?

Discussion in 'Legend of Zelda' started by legendarylugi, Dec 4, 2007.

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  1. Grave_The_Ninja

    Grave_The_Ninja Certified Narutard

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    Honestly, these are the kinds of debates that we shouldn't be having.

    I honestly agree with missy and I also agree that shadow had that coming. Users who have posted here for a year or so have no right to complain about older users posting habits lately if they do nothing to hurt the community, and even more so, if they do nothing themselves. To be even more honest with you, the posting habits of almost, if not, everybody has been pretty lackluster over the past 6 months and alot of us older users are starting to run out of ideas to keep the dim existence of this board alive.

    Instead of posting an OFF-TOPIC thread talking about it. You should DO something about it instead of calling out to others to do some of the dirty work. You can't just ask people to make a good thread. It takes a strong idea and a strong basis behind it. If you want activity, post some good threads and show me that my work won't go to waste. Do something that will INSPIRE ideas instead of trying to choke it out of us with threads that are better left to the Off-Topic Thread.

    Nothing against you, LL, as I've known you to be a good user yourself, but this was definitely not what you would call a contribution to this board.
  2. ShutUpNavi

    ShutUpNavi No Longer a Noob

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    LL you need to grow up and relies that Missies posts are filled with cursing and arguments aimed at you and other people. And guess what? That is not a personal attack against you. He will go all out against you and fight you to the death in an argument, but understand that beneath all that shouting and flaiming that he is only trying to argue with you and dose not mean ill will against you. He is simply discussing his thoughts and opinion with you passionately, not trying to hurt you or anyone else. In fact you fail to relies that he is here to help you if you can possibly understand that.

    And before you post back saying that he or I need to post more kindly relies that despite all the yelling and *****ing we do that never once did we mean to offend you or anyone else. We are simply trying to address the point and get it across. Sorry if it comes out sounding mean but that’s the truth.
  3. missypissy

    missypissy No One Loves Me And Neither Do I

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    No, no. It's ok. Let him walk out the same way he came in. With the air of unearned confidence and the unwarranted satisfaction that he did no wrong. I'm the bad guy here, just remember that.

    This is a joke. Not haha funny, maybe not even lol funny. More of a mood lightener.
  4. GTA3AVCASA

    GTA3AVCASA I give you a five minute window.

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    I know, after all being difficult is truly what makes games good. Speaking of which, what exactly is your favourite game?
  5. Grave_The_Ninja

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    "Honestly, these are the kinds of debates that we shouldn't be having.

    I honestly agree with missy and I also agree that shadow had that coming. Users who have posted here for a year or so have no right to complain about older users posting habits lately if they do nothing to hurt the community, and even more so, if they do nothing themselves. To be even more honest with you, the posting habits of almost, if not, everybody has been pretty lackluster over the past 6 months and alot of us older users are starting to run out of ideas to keep the dim existence of this board alive.

    Instead of posting an OFF-TOPIC thread talking about it. You should DO something about it instead of calling out to others to do some of the dirty work. You can't just ask people to make a good thread. It takes a strong idea and a strong basis behind it. If you want activity, post some good threads and show me that my work won't go to waste. Do something that will INSPIRE ideas instead of trying to choke it out of us with threads that are better left to the Off-Topic Thread.

    Nothing against you, LL, as I've known you to be a good user yourself, but this was definitely not what you would call a contribution to this board."

    I felt the need to repost this with the knowledge that it will be ignored being the bottom post and don't worry. I'm adding to it.

    LL, I saw nothing that Missy said to be considered too far. Hell, I even believe that "**** off" was still in line. As far as I could tell, shadow hasn't made any good contributions, either. Missy has posted many good threads. Hell, Missy even posted an adoption contest in the past to inspire board activity. So, no one person really has the right to tell MP that he isn't a key user or that he hasn't done his part in this board. Many users around here act like one person can make a difference when they themselves don't act.
  6. legendarylugi

    legendarylugi Almost Not a Noob

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    ^^^ShadowDeku has made consistently good posts, and was adopted by PDarkLink for it. He has contributed a LOT. I think he has just as much a right as MP to talk about these things.
  7. missypissy

    missypissy No One Loves Me And Neither Do I

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    Except he has done nothing for us in this thread other than call me out on something I already admitted to before he called me out on (and the subsequent "you have no room to complain" zinger right before the end). Which you've basically continued to ignore this entire time [face_plain]

    I never said he doesn't have the right to post, no-one has. I'm saying he doesn't have the right to shut down opinions on the subject. Which is what he did, since apparently I now have no room to complain because the Great Lord Shadowdeku hath decreeded it.

    I suggest you go back and read that post and then see where the others are coming from. If he had said something more worthwhile than "the board has been the same as long as I've been here" or my favorite "I can't seem to make a point without getting it turned into ramble" then I wouldn't really care. But since he decided to use up my time by telling me I have absolutely no room to complain I kind of went for it.
  8. Grave_The_Ninja

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    Knitpicking, are we?

    Don't just address one point. How about speaking on all or even a few of the points that I made? Hell, for that matter, address many of the points MP has made.

    This is one reason many good threads go to waste. People pick out one point and attack just that one.
  9. Evil_User

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    Well, Missypissy's name sure is fitting, judging from thhe posts she's made in this thread. But she wouldn't have had to if it didn't exist. [face_thinking]
  10. missypissy

    missypissy No One Loves Me And Neither Do I

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    I think you messed that post up, let me clean it up for you.

    Well, Miss Piss sure is fitting, judging from the posts she's made in this thread. I understand the slight drop of the ball, but that was just unacceptable son!
  11. Fhqwhgads.

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    I think that we should all calm the **** down.

    I think that we're overreacting, and this isn't really a worthwhile debate, both sides. I'm not only talking about the state of the board, but the now Missy vs. Lugi thing.

    Missy, the way you take things in a debate is almost like trying to make the other person ashamed in being wrong. I don't think this is that is necessary for this kind of argument,.

    Lugi, Missy has many valid points, please stop complaining at his complaints, valid or invalid. If you think that you're right, then try to be above it all by not getting this more out of hand than Missy could have done.

    This thread is getting useless by now. I think that we can all agree that we should work a bit more on our own to make good topics and good replies, to help spread it through the board by allowing good replies and good topics to happen. We shouldn't be discussing this or getting into specific little annoying arguments. Maybe this should be locked or ignored, I don't think this is really serving much of a purpose anymore than becoming flame bait as we get into this.

    Waffles > Pancakes
  12. DallasJR

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    If we take this any farther, it will become a riot...

    I'm sure that would wake up the board...
  13. ZIG-ZAG3

    ZIG-ZAG3 Zig.

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    You guys are just all proving all the points that Missy has made. No one knows real "internet etiquette" not to mention that there are "clicks" on this board of people staying together. What really needs to be done is people stop blaming each other for the "deterioration" on this board, and just start posting better. Take action yourself, do something.

    If everyone was just confident in themselves, they could just let the "**** off" go and, continue with the subject at hand. The words are not the problem, it's people dealing with it. Deal with it, or GTFO. Unfortunately, many chose the latter.

    -Ziggy
  14. missypissy

    missypissy No One Loves Me And Neither Do I

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    Missy, the way you take things in a debate is almost like trying to make the other person ashamed in being wrong. I don't think this is that is necessary for this kind of argument,.

    Should you not feel a certain feeling if you are wrong? If a person calls me out for something that is wrong but believes it is right and takes me to task on that, should I not feel the need to embarrass them like they have done me? I'm not one to idly side back and watch people destroy my posts without taking a little bit of them down with them.

    The only time that this "debate" turned into me trying to make they feel anything is when a certain variable was thrown into the equation. Up until then, I was level headed, offered up "at the time" solid advice and that was all I did. I never responded to Charles or Jim for being wrong. I said my peace, corrected what I thought was a point we shouldn't go down (old v new users) and then left it at that.

    Don't confuse my posts today with my posts from the other day. They are not entirely of the same subject.
  15. Sertith

    Sertith Khajiit Plenipotentiary

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    I'm going to start posting one line posts [face_mischief]
  16. Grave_The_Ninja

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    "This thread is getting useless by now. I think that we can all agree that we should work a bit more on our own to make good topics and good replies, to help spread it through the board by allowing good replies and good topics to happen. We shouldn't be discussing this or getting into specific little annoying arguments. Maybe this should be locked or ignored, I don't think this is really serving much of a purpose anymore than becoming flame bait as we get into this."

    Flame-bait is all this thread was, had the potential to be, and what it is, whether LL realized it or not.

    It was off-topic and therefore should have been left to the off-topic thread.

    These are all things that LL should've been aware of.
  17. Fhqwhgads.

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    Missy, What you're doing isn't trying to get people to accept that they're wrong, you're tying to get them all worked up and then get them to overreact, all because you overreact, and then it gets out of hand. Sure, you can do that, sometimes it's needed with certain topics, but this was a pretty useless one to do it in that manner in my opinion, whether you were right or not. But that's my opinion, there's nothing to do about this whole mess now (except not continuing it)


    Anyways, let's all just do what we want. If that doesn't please some people, then they won't be pleased. And, if I were a mod, I think that I would want to lock this thread, for it has now become burnt flame bait. I don't know if that would please everyone or not, but that's what I would do.


    Edit: Foshi, I did not say that's what this thread's has been all along, I'm saying that's what it has turned into. I believe this was on topic (to a point).
  18. Foshi_Etock

    Foshi_Etock Effy

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    Concerning this "argument", I'm really not seeing anything here. I've been looking through this thread and all I can see is that missypissy got upset at shadowdeku's post directed at him and replied to it; to which lugi said "could you rephrase that please?", to which missypissy said "I'll say it however I want, pansy".

    Fine, I admit that last bit was exaggerated, it was funny, sue me.

    Outside of that, lugi assumed that missy claimed to be part of the solution while everyone else was the problem, and missy assumed that lugi wanted to return the boards to the so-called "golden ages". Seriously, that evens out why not?

    And that's it, I have no freaking clue why missy's so freaking pissed at lugi for. (pissed, upset, mildly unhapy, I'm currently using those interchangeably) Seriously, it doesn't even look like the two are even arguing, just getting mad at eachothers posts.

    I'm not even joking, what the crap are they arguing about? Are they even arguing? I haven't seen any real disagreements between them.


    What could be more on-topic to the board then talking about the board? This thread wasn't meant for the fires of flamebait, just because that's what it allegedly turned into (seriously, what the crap?) doesn't mean that's all it was meant for. The real problem I have here here is some people's distinguishment between conversations.

    A debate is always pointless. (I say that because I mean a formal debate, an argument is much better.(nitpicking, I know, bite me.)) There is nothing that cannot be solved with a good discussion, no need for caps lock. (metaphorically speaking)


    As for the problem with the board, I have to ask, what problem? It's slower? Less good threads? All of that is circumstantial, not really something you can change in the grand scheme of things. I've heard here that the problem here is the people, well, that's nothing new. Most, if not all of the problems with anything is because of people, i'm sure there are some things that aren't but not a significant enough portion to matter.

    Basically, post a thread if you want, don't if you do not want to, have fun. (within the TOS of course) Crap advice but whatever.

    Edit: typo, and I wouldn't lock this myself, Fhqwhgads.. That would not resolve whatever is wrong here (someone tell me, dangit) This thread will die when it dies but I'm always one for closure. (Not locking the thread, that's like chopping out the last 15 minutes of a movie)

    Edit....again: Fhqwhgads., that comment was directed at grave, not you.
  19. ShutUpNavi

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    Alrigh I am just going to post this now rather than later.


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    If anyone wants to seriously revitalize this board read everything of what I am about to say. And when I say this understand that I am not talking to Missy or LL or anyone else, I am talking about YOU who are reading these words on there computer screen right now whoever you are.
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    If you really want to revive the board then what you need to do is come up with a good thread that evokes discussion and inspires other users.

    And not just a standard “what’s your opinion on the mater” kind of thread that can be summed up with a one reply response. It needs to be something that requires other users to argue against you, or corporate with you in addition to them replying what they think. Go post a thread about some obscure theory that you have or come up with a thread discussing the lour in a game from a different perspective, or a thread that makes you come up with ideas with other users and continually discuss and improve upon these ideas, or something else unconventional like this.

    It doesn’t have to be perfect or flawless to make it happen just put all your effort into making this kind of a thread and post it.

    And when you do this don’t worry about other people calling out your thoughts as ridiculous or worry about if no one is going to agree with you and instead flame you. Even if people totally disagree with you the thread will still bring about discussion that this board seriously needs. That’s why this board exists, to discuss things with other people.

    You probably just stopped there and are thinking “do you relies how hard it is to come up with a thread like that?”. Yes I do. I relies that coming up with such ideas can and almost always are extremely difficult to come up with. But guess what? It’s going to be hard to do, but nothing is ever going to improve if we take the easy route.

    The fact that we have done nothing of this magnitude is the reason the boards are the way they are now. And if all you can say to this is “But I just can’t do that” then stop complaining and except that the boards are going to keep deteriorating and nothing will ever change this because you aren’t willing to put up enough effort into the boards to stop this.


    So basically this thread has served its purpose in addressing the problem and finding a solution for it. There are only two things you can do now. You can…

    1. Do nothing; let the boards continue to deteriorate, stop complaining about it and except that things will never change because you are not willing to put up enough effort to save them.

    Or…

    2. Do something: come up with a thread that encourages discussion, inspire other people to do the same via your threads, make a difference and bring to board back to the so called “Golden Ages”.

    Realize that you can’t force other people to do this for you. You are the cause of this whole thing and only you can change it.

    I also know that I am the cause of this too as I haven’t been putting my effort into making worthwhile threads on the boards. And normally I won’t have written this long of a response and even if I had the time to I wouldn’t because of being afraid of being called out and flamed. But you know what? I am sick of just letting this board continue to go down hill and I am not going to take it any longer.

    This board has always had the ability to revive itself and these kind of threads have reveled to us both the reason why it is happening, and has even given a solution on how to fix it. But the problem is that no one is willing to put enough work and effort into it to make it happen.

    From now on I am not going to let this happen and am going to take the risk in coming up with a dumb thread and put all my effort into making discussion evoking threads that can in turn inspire other people to make these kinds of threads. If you want things to get better you should do the same thing.
  20. bruno192

    bruno192 Noob

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    How can something that brings us together (i.e. The Legend of Zelda) be the cause of everybody dissin' and fighting and attacking each other? You have lost sight as to why we are here. If people learned to accept other point of views, respect other users and simply talk about the games we love, this boards would be a much better place. Remember we are all here because of our love of Zelda.
  21. missypissy

    missypissy No One Loves Me And Neither Do I

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    Ugh, please stop with the sweeping it under the rug bureaucratic bull. I'm sorry that this is getting a little "to real" for a few of you here that you feel the need to just completely cover it up. I'm sorry, but your reasoning is asinine. Only because you assume I care enough about you people to plan my posting style around getting you worked up. I post the way I do because that is how I feel. I don't plan four or five posts down the line where I finally get them to step into the next realm to flame me, I do so in the manner that the people I'm talking to actually read, and to a certain extent understand, what I'm saying and that I need not repeat myself. If people focus on one or two points per posts when I make about twenty, I become a little irked because it's all for waste. Picking and choosing points to argue is worthless for how we are going to fix this, as it becomes nothing but nitpicking in the end. Where you split hairs not because you want to get information, but because you can't stand to be wrong.

    I "overreacted" because you guys seem almost hellbent on making it seem like I did this unprovoked and went into a tizzy of flames. I was completely level headed, threw out some reasons that seemed to be agreed on, and then some guy completely shuts me down under the web of lies. You've somewhat talked about it, but legendarylugi seems like he would rather bury his head in the sand than accept it. I decided to take it on myself to say, hey, you know what, **** off for telling me I don't have room to complain about the state of the board and that I shouldn't offer up suggestions. I guess that was a bad move on my part, it seems like it really was.

    I guess you guys are better "me"s than I am. I didn't even know I was all about getting people worked up just so they overreact. Here, I was always under the impression that while I could never get a single point across straight I was always a master of the unspoken bashing. I guess I'm a lot of things to a lot of different people. Instead of trying to break down my mental state and then sweeping the discussion under the rug you could always...how you say...not get involved and just sit back and watch? Maybe...like...not bother replying?

    The ending sounds pretty harsh. Take it with a little less serious tone to it. This post isn't meant to be read like the maniac cries of a future serial killer. It's some serious, some tongue-in-check, and a little bit of added HMPH to push it to where I need the message to go.
  22. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    Testicles......That is all.

    Hopefully that helped to ease the mood. If not, well...*activates Flame Sheild*
  23. Foshi_Etock

    Foshi_Etock Effy

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    I think I just got it. when lugi said "Missypissy, please stop." you took it as "stop posting" when he meant "stop taking it so personally".

    I guess it goes to however you interpret it but still, the implication he made was pretty strong as to what he meant.

    I'm just saying, this comment...

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    was uncalled for. You are assuming that everyone (not everyone but a number of people) is against you, I know that I certainly have nothing against you. I really just think that shadowdeku's comment set you off and you took lugi's comment as as offensive as well and ran with it.

    Seriously, I don't see anything either of you could have against eachother that isn't in your head.

    Edit: What do you mean by "continued on"? The only thing I've seen him say after that is that you don't have to be so frank to get your point across. could you please point out specifically what he said. I am really, REALLY not trying to come off as a jerk, I just want some clarification.

    Edit: You know what? Just screw it, this thread just reminds me why I just lurk. I'll drop it, no need to continue, and I'm watching Bleach soon anyway.
  24. missypissy

    missypissy No One Loves Me And Neither Do I

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    If you bothered to quote the entire post you would have found This is a joke. Not haha funny, maybe not even lol funny. More of a mood lightener. I'm not saying everyone is against me, I'm just saying there is some selective quoting going on that makes it hard to take you guys "seriously".

    And no, I never took his "please stop" differently than what it was. I even mentioned how he wanted me to stop yet continued on until he took the high road out.
  25. Foshi_Etock

    Foshi_Etock Effy

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    I left that out because I assumed that you were calling the thread a joke, not that comment. I apologize, the error was mine.

    Fine, mock me all you will, I admitted my fault and claim responsibility.
    I have no regrets.
  26. supernintendocharmrs

    supernintendocharmrs Region Lock Hater

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    Obviously we have to be 100% direct and serious at all times otherwise everyone takes offense. It's in the unwritten ToS, didn't you read it, Missy? [face_plain]
  27. Fhqwhgads.

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    I'm not entirely sure if you're just talking to me or if you're talking to both me and Lugi, or a bunch of us. I'm saying What they said actually deserved a reaction, but I think both you and Lugi overreacted. I feel that it's not just your doing, and I think both of you contributed to each other in this.

    That's what I thought of both of your posts, and that it was pretty useless on both sides. You may think otherwise, but that doesn't require a lecture for me, these are simply my opinions about the whole thing. 'The whole thing' not being the on topic discussion before, but the topic of discussing your discussion. I'm not talking about your suggestions from before, I think that your suggestions were quite true and honest.

    I don't think you did this "unprovoked", I just think this whole thing is now useless, that it's just boring and annoying now. That, and I'm now done talking about it. All I'm doing is lengthening the discussion of the discussion of your discussion. So those were my opinions, wrong or not, and it's getting more and more useless the more we nitpick. We're summarizing summarizations of summarizations, and adding more and more crap to it. I, not being the only one, now think that this thread isn't worthwhile anymore, and what we're currently talking about has been beaten to death by now.

    Adieu.
  28. Grave_The_Ninja

    Grave_The_Ninja Certified Narutard

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    "What could be more on-topic to the board then talking about the board? This thread wasn't meant for the fires of flamebait, just because that's what it allegedly turned into (seriously, what the crap?) doesn't mean that's all it was meant for. The real problem I have here here is some people's distinguishment between conversations."

    Allow me to correct you on this matter.

    The term On-Topic is referring to discussion of the game that the board was made for.

    The board itself is not included in this. If you would read the ToS and probably the little sticky thread at the top of the board, you would know that. This thread was a terrible idea and I'm pretty sure that LL was aware of it being off-topic.
  29. zelmarkirbtroid

    zelmarkirbtroid Noob

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    Well, I'm not a reg of this board, or any really. I almost never post, but I lurk like crazy. I have lurked here for a few months, as well as numerous other boards. But it doesn't really seem to me like this board is in bad shape at all. In most of the boards I go to, there is a daily flood of noobs, tons of spam, and pointless threads containing information that everyone already knows about. I don't really see any of that here. You should see my home place, the Smash bros. board.[face_plain]. The zelda board has some excellent posters, and most other places don't have any. I like to think that this is one of the better places I lurk at. However, seeing as how I only recently started reading topics here, I have no other "ages" to compare it against, so I can't really tell if the quality of the board has gone up or down. I can compare places in the present, and this board is one of the few elite.

    Long story short: For the current quality of all boards, this one is at the top.
  30. DreamyRessurected

    DreamyRessurected Zelda, I love you!!!

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    This thread can outweigh seven fanfics combined.[face_tongue]

    J/K. But I mean that I'm glad that Luigi asked this. It showed exactly how much we all had to say and how much we were all feeling. Had he not brought this up, this would probably either have never been addressed or have been in the OT, and not everyone may visit that place since it is off-topic. And for those surprised by the arguments, I wouldn't be. Many times in life, with every revival comes struggle and clashing.[face_tongue] No big mess gets in order or w/o being made an even bigger mess first. Anyone ever sorted out a desk?[face_raised_brow] Very messy. Papers everywhere. You try to sort them out. EVEN MORE PAPERS, IT SEEMS. But look at what you see when you finish cleaning. It's as good as new.:D

    This board, if we can come to form of agreement, will be that desk. [face_peace]

    OOH, SUCH WISDOM. Zelda's my third cousin. It runs in the family.[face_tongue]
  31. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    I think that this board is a high ranking board compared to others when it comes to quality posts and users.

    My proof and some examples for this are:


    Volvagia_slayer- knows almost everything there is to know about Zelda. Arguably the head of intelligence of the Zelda Board.

    legendaryluigi- another user who's intelligence of Zelda is almost second to none, and he can write a damn good fanfic. (Still waiting for Minora)

    DallasJr- A user who will help someone when they need help. Not shy about showing his true feelings and will be brutally truthful.

    lizalfos- an all around kind of person. Can be serious or act stupid when the need presents itself. And posts top quality posts.

    Zig-Zag- One of the most creative people on the Zelda Board. Acts stupid most of the time, but will get serious if he wants to.


    And I could go on, but that should be enough to get my point across. With users like these, the quality of the Zelda Boards will stay high. End of story.
  32. Cellius_18

    Cellius_18 Noob

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    Man you forgot somebody.

    Cellius_18- a user who is universally loved not only by the members of the IGN boards, but everyone. He's probably the most intelligent user this board has ever had. His quality opinions add much to discussion. A known enemy of the cactus.
  33. DreamyRessurected

    DreamyRessurected Zelda, I love you!!!

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    ^^^ Pointing out our positive points and using them to our advantage. That is what I believe will play a strong factor in whether or not we can get this board together. One user may not be the fic writer. Okay, fine, so let me, Zig, and the others fill that spot, while that user focuses on threads and topics that he's interested in and go from there. [face_peace]

    And speaking of fic writers, where's Master Zoda?[face_confused]
  34. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    Well like I said, I didn't have to do eveybody. But there is a few more I could toss out:

    Master Zoda- A top quality poster and a great fanfic writer.

    Dreamy(both)- makes some very interesting threads and is one of the higher authorities on the Zelda Board.

    Missy- Generally, a good poster and one of the most creative people I've seen.

    Cellius- the total n00bcake of the Zelda Boards[face_tongue]


    Edit: And the funny thing is that there are still more users I could name.
  35. GTA3AVCASA

    GTA3AVCASA I give you a five minute window.

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    No you couldn't.

    Anyway... I too was wondering where Master-Zoda was.
  36. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    To prove you wrong:

    Sertith: A user whos is pretty much the definition of nice. And guess what? Sertith is a girl[face_shock] .
  37. Sertith

    Sertith Khajiit Plenipotentiary

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    EDIT: Lols.

    That's better [face_tongue]
  38. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    Someone named Sertith needs to read the whole page before she posts[face_shame_on_you] .

    Edit: lol a little too quick to reply huh? It's ok....n00b [face_tongue]

    Edit#2: I just realized, I stopped the debate/war/evilpostsofdeath lol
  39. Sertith

    Sertith Khajiit Plenipotentiary

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    I did read the whole page. When I hit quote was a good 2-3 minutes before you posted what you posted. Only one minute before I hit post did you post it.

    And I doubt you've stopped the war. Sean's not online anymore, and everyone else was just blowing crap out of proportion. It'll start back up tomorrow, once someone reads how I wrote "crap", and then they'll get all pissy again.

    I think the whole thing is funny. Certain people blow everything out of proportion, and then get all upset when they're called on it.

    And I R not a n00b, foolish human [face_not_talking] ... [face_tongue]
  40. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    It's sad really. They all could help us out, but they would rather go after each other than contribute to the Board.

    Foolish human? Now thats a new low of insults. Especially when it comes from Sertith[face_tongue]. And Sertith, I'm gonna Wul you.
  41. supernintendocharmrs

    supernintendocharmrs Region Lock Hater

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    You're pretty much correct. I've been here for about 3 and a half years now and I do remember a thread exactly like this when I first started posting here. All the users mentioned above didn't even have accounts back then (minus Zoda, Liz and Cellius) and even then people were complaining about the flood of n00bs and the board's average IQ declining.

    In all the time that I've been posting, the board's changed a lot, but it's quality is still about the same. This board seems to frequently go through a cycle of new users chasing off the old, establishing themselves as regs only to be invaded by the next wave of newcomers. We get people saying the board's been going downhill just about every season and yet when I look at the way the vets of '01 and '02 post, it seems like they're just the same as a lot of the newer regs. Heck, Liz is actually a vet and I bet no one even noticed. Since he returned he seemed to just slip right into the current generation of regs.

    Bottom line is that this is just another thread complaining about n00bs and yet we forget that everyone starts off as a new user before they become one of the many regs that make the Zelda board one of the better boards around.
  42. shadowdeku

    shadowdeku Lurks in Shadows

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    Missypissy, you came in here complaining about how the new users have no balls. You said no user will call out another user's BS when they hear it. That's exactly what I did. I did just what you wanted. And now you prove to me that the only way you know how to handle it is like a little immature spoiled brat. You act like you are above all blame because of what? I really don't know. In your posts in this thread so far, you have put the blame on everybody but yourself. That's what I was calling you out on. Everybody is to blame, including you, including me too. You may have contributed a lot in the past; I don't care. So have I. Maybe you just chose to not notice it, but I have tried to contribute in this thread. In my first post I even acknowledged that I myself have a lot of the blame.
    The thing is that people get busy in life and get bored with these forums. So what? They are just stupid forums. Sure they can be a lot of fun, and I'll always like coming here, and I like to see the community growing. But it's not the end of the world if things don't go well for a while. Just look at Zig's riddle thread. He hasn't had much of a chance to update it in a couple months. It kind of sucks for the community since those add a lot here. But I can't blame him if he gets bored with it or is just too busy to keep up with it sometimes.

    Missypissy posted:
    "Jesus, you are lecturing ME? He's the one who twisted the entire situation to hell and back, omfg. He has offered up ZERO HELP in this thread and then tells me I have absolute NO ROOM TO TALK? Seriously, nothing I said has had any tone of irony, sarcasm, or even a hint of being a hypocrite. I've thrown out REAL suggestions here and instead I get told to sit on the ****ing sidelines by a guy who can't get a point across and has offered up no help."


    I twisted the entire situation?! Why, because I tried to show that you were to blame also, and you just can't handle that. I never meant that you can't complain about the state of the board at all, but you can't complain about the lack of good threads lately because you haven't posted a single good thread in the last couple of months. How am I wrong about that? And you also have no place to talk about blaming everybody else for this board's problems. Why don't you grow some balls and take some of the blame if you really think this is such a huge deal? I take some of the blame for not posting good threads lately. But like I said, these are just forums. There are many more factors that change the state of this board. Not just the lack of will of the posters. Why can't you see that? Whether you see it or not, the liveliness of the board does depend on how much things have already been discussed, what new info is out about the games, and whether people don't have enough time to post on the boards a lot.

    Missy, I know just from reading random posts of yours over the past year that you can be an @$$. But I also know that your posting style and your posts can be invaluable to the boards. But don't act like you're perfect and above all blame.

    Do you even understand that you don't have to be a total @$$ to have good debates? You can disagree with people and stand strongly behind your opinion and even get in the other person's face and have great debates without being so serious and cut-throat all the time. Debates are for learning about the views of other people and trying to gain a better understanding of the subject of debate. They aren't for a bunch of @$$holes that just want to waste their lives flaming each other. Contrary to your belief, that actually gets you nowhere. Why don't we just try to start good debates instead of a flame war?
  43. drizzlefizzle

    drizzlefizzle Noob

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    Since we want an answer, I'll get one. *Runs off to get Volvagia in here.*
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    Dependency and lack of individual thought is helping the demise of the board. See above quote
  44. legendarylugi

    legendarylugi Almost Not a Noob

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    I disagree with you Grave. Yes, this thread HAS become useless, but to say that it was flamebait from the beginning, and only had the potential to be flamebait, doesn't hold true for me, considering that this thread had already reached roughly 60-70 posts with people actually truly discussing things before this argument even began to spark.

    Yes, this thread may, in a strict sense, be off-topic. [face_peace] So what? Surely there are exceptions based on context.

    And just so you know, as Fhqwhgads said, until this argument started, this had been the liveliest discussion on the boards in quite some time. I don't see any problem with the Off-topicness in this case, because it is entirely pertinent, whether you see it that way or not.

    I think you somewhat missed the purpose of this thread. It wasn't to "choke out" a few threads from people to try and help the board. ;) No, it was for discussion and suggestions as how we can improve the overall state. And it seemed to be pretty productive, until Missy and I got into our little tussle.


    And you say that rather than posting an off-topic thread, I should post threads that inspire Zelda-based discussion? I agree, and as I already said, I have numerous board projects already in the works, namely a group of content creation contests with various prizes that I plan to carry out soon. Also, a team of people and I are working on a fan-video based on the Legend of Zelda, in 3D Animation (using various applications), and plan to update the board on our progress very soon. It's called T-Zap (The Zelda Animation Project).
  45. missypissy

    missypissy No One Loves Me And Neither Do I

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    It's only BS if I don't admit to it in every post in this thread. Which you fail to understand, which is why I'm getting a little bit irked because you even tried to justify it with a highly selective quote.

    Why don't we just try to start good debates instead of a flame war?
    Why don't we just try to read the posts missy types instead of making things up and telling missy what he really typed?

    This isn't a debate anymore. When you decided to not read my post you killed any hopes of debate. If you want to continue to think this is a debate, you're going to count me out. I'm tried of trying to tell you guys that you either don't read my posts, or just can't understand them, so I'm not going to bother listening to you back up you bull**** claims when I already know they are wrong.
  46. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    Since we want an answer, I'll get one. *Runs off to get Volvagia in here.*
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    Dependency and lack of individual thought is helping the demise of the board. See above quote

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    You shouldn't ever speak of individual thinking, or any other thinking for that matter since you obviously didn't understand that I was making a joke.

    And it's trying to undermine people like you just tried to do that deteriorates the Board's quality.


    Edit: Shadow and missy, can you please try to get along? Your both too intelligent for such nonsense.
  47. supernintendocharmrs

    supernintendocharmrs Region Lock Hater

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    In their case, getting along means debating until they understand each other. It makes little sense to pretend to agree when you clearly disagree.
  48. Falcor007

    Falcor007 Mr. Minish

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    Edit: Shadow and missy, can you please try to get along? Your both too intelligent for such nonsense.

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    I guess you would know them better than me, so I'll take your word for it.
  49. drizzlefizzle

    drizzlefizzle Noob

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    You shouldn't ever speak of individual thinking, or any other thinking for that matter since you obviously didn't understand that I was making a joke.

    And it's trying to undermine people like you just tried to do that deteriorates the Board's quality.


    Edit: Shadow and missy, can you please try to get along? Your both too intelligent for such nonsense.
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    I don't you can comprehend what I was saying. Whether it was joke or not is no applicable at all, the point is that many here, sorry to use you as an example, have no ability to post for themselves and hang on the bumper of others on matters regarding Zelda lore or plots. Everyone has jumped on the VS bandwagon, and perhaps I can be blamed for that but his theories, while agree with them, are not bullet proof. Eh has evolved as user and become less stubborn in ideals, but still clings to them a little too often. How can I blame you for this though, I can't as you have not been around long enough to notice these patterns and haven't acquired the ability see reason on a higher level, which will come with time, after many bad and good experiences I've learned how to judge people, and reason better than when I first started posting.

    Also correct punctuation would allow me to correctly respond to the second part of your post. But let me take a stab at what you are saying. So you are saying that I'm trying to undermine the board by pointing out its flaws. Or perhaps you are saying your original post is trying undermine people like me for the destruction for the board, which makes you a hypocrite for what you stated in your edit.(I doubt you will be able to understand but if you keep trying you just might be able to find out what I mean[face_peace] )

    My post was in no way a direct attack on you but rather a complaint about the posting habits of the board in general[face_peace]

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    This is very true despite it being a heated debate.
  50. DreamyRessurected

    DreamyRessurected Zelda, I love you!!!

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    Since no one has posted in a while, I thought to ask have we come to a conclusion? Our final plans?:)
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