Comments on: Fish to politicians: eff off http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:48:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: The bookless library : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-483001 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:43:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=417#comment-483001 [...] these bookless libraries are violating Stanley Fish’s good advice to university faculty:  “[d]o your job, don’t try to do someone else’s job and don’t let anyone else do your job…  If libraries cede their historic function as a repository of human knowledge and become more [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-32569 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:12:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=417#comment-32569 “You’re like a parent who spent his youth in an opium den telling his kids just say no.”

Excellent line! But, isn’t that always the way with the Baby Boomer generation: dissipation for me in my youth, but you Gen Xers and Gen Yers still have to respect my authoriTAY now that I’m an old coot! Thanks for the up-close and personal look at Fish. (BTW, I wasn’t going to spend money on the book–I just liked the advice about dealing with state legislators!) His advice to faculty seems to run counter to what we’re told by everyone else–that we need to make our research “relevant” and “broader.” Oh well, Fish is nothing if not a contrarian, as well as someone who’s never taken the brand of home cure he’s peddling now.

As for the bullying stuff: if Fish (or anyone) behaved that way to his colleagues, then it’s bullying. But if he slapped around some state legislators in an effort to get them to respect his professional expertise, then I’m OK with that. I think it’s just fine to take it to The Man–but never to those near you or especially not below you on the hierarchy of the Great Chain of Academic Being.

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By: Rad readr http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-32413 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:42:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=417#comment-32413 NY Times columnist Fish came to town last year and proceeded to berate a large roomful of us on how important it is to focus on limited research agendas rather than take up political questions. It was a highly charged political diatribe, and thus the title of his book — not so much a publisher-induced attention-grabber as an over-the-hill Fish wagging his finger at the likes of you, historiann. So I’m surprised that you give him a pass. The book is part distillation of his vapid Chronicle columns and the ruminations of a retiree. And we brought him only because he has old friends in my department. Yes, they’re old. He’s old. And they have bully tendencies too. “If you embarrass them and make them afraid of you” you are a bully, right?

I kept waiving my arm during his lecture but he didn’t call on me — because what I wanted to say was, you’re like a parent who spent his youth in an opium den telling his kids just say no. If he had followed his own advice, we’d have at least one more great book on Milton or reader-response theory and a lot fewer third-rate newspaper columns.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-32136 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:52:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=417#comment-32136 Or sell the rights to the name “Colorado” to, say, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which could jettison another literal but local and obscure name for a state university (like Edinboro or Bloomsburg), and add to its curious collection of exotic names, viz. “Colorado University of Pennsylvania.” Maybe we could do some sort of mutual in-state tuition swaps arrangement to seal the deal?

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