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Seed/Astray Information (Mostly Astray)

Post by E08 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:22 am

Recently i just finished reading several chinese translated Astray series novel/photnovel and also found some translated model kits booklet. Below are some new information for sharing and more will be posted later.

First off, Blue Frame Second and Red Frame Kai

Blue Frame 2nd

The shoulder amours and feet were designed by Gai. Armor under the ankles was thickened and the smaller feet gave better jumping power. Fin Thrusters allow Blue Frame 2nd to move sideways in an instant and they are of similar class as backpack thrusters. These upgrades were in construction when Gai first fought the Socius clones. Blue Frame’s head and back pack were damaged in the fight. Lowe saw the wreck and suggested using Red Frame’s upgrade parts to fix the damage. Blue Frame 2nd L’s head and Tactical Arms were thus originally built for Red Frame.

2nd L’s head armor allows better protection of electrical instruments inside. The antenna allows short range remote control of the Tactical Arms. “1” sign on the sides were done by Lowe. Gai designed the anti-beam coating Armor Schneider as he dislikes the shield’s additional weight but still needs defense against beam weapons. They allow him to block, even slice through beam sabers. He plans to use MS’s mobility to evade beam shots. He is also able to block beam shots with Armor Schneider.

Astray B claims that Tactical Arms have laminated armor. In Flight Form, by opening up the folded wings and changing the folding angle, 2nd L is able to move in an irregular manner, making it difficult for the enemy to aim. Doing this requires exceptional piloting skills. In Sword Form, even if it did not damage the enemy’s armor, impact due to its large size can damage internal components or even cause the pilot to faint. Compared to Sword Form, Sword Arms are more convenient and are often used against melee combat orientated enemy. Gatling gun has the highest accuracy when used in Gatling Form. The “legs” in this form allows stable shooting and can serve as shields, during prolong shooting; they also serve as heat sinks. Gai modified half of the barrels to fire solid shells while the other half fire beam shots, the type used depends on the situation. It is able to fire both together. Gatling Arm has lower accuracy but is easier to aim.

The PS armor around Blue frame 2nd’s cockpit were actually Strike Rogue’s left over PS armor. Lowe came up with the 2 layer armor as PS armor consumes too much energy and the new system also helps to reduce weight as very little PS armor material was used, maintaining blue frame’s mobility.

Source: Astray novel, Astray B photonovel, Vs Astray and MG booklet

Red Frame Kai

In Vs Astray chapter 1, it is revealed that Red Frame is equipped with new high output, high durability actuators developed by Jean Carry. Librarian Works’ replica Red Frame also has the new actuators, as when their katanas clashed during the fight, the impact is so massive that 8 warns that another clash will damage the actuators. As Lowe and Red Frame were involved in many historic events, a number of people start to emulate him. He is so popular that Junk Guild starts to sell conversion parts to make civilian Astray look like Red Frame.

While Lowe was building Blue Frame 2nd Revise’s Tactical Arms II, he built Tactical Arms IIL as well. Voiture Lumiere (VL) was incorporated when Ergnes visits Lowe to have his Turn Delta repaired. It was damaged by mysterious enemy and when he heard about Librarian Works’ attack on Lowe; he concludes that his attacker must also be them. Rather than having his unit repaired, he puts strengthening Red Frame as the priority and suggested using Turn Delta’s parts.

V Form is the basic form of Tactical Arms IIL when it is on the backpack. This form allows quick transformation into other forms. Work Form replicates the function of Power Loader. The “arms” are used in moving heavy weight materials and to cut them, it is also usable during battles. Tactical Arms IIL is equipped with the same type of actuators as Red Frame. Delta Form allows the use of VL for propulsion. A membrane made of light is formed within the upside down triangle, which converts solar wind or power beam into propulsion. In order for the system to perform at 100%, nuclear power is required. Arrow Form uses VL released from the “arms” of the bow to control the beam’s movement, allowing curved shots and can even change the direction of the beam after firing. Controling this system requires exceptional piloting skill and Lowe is unable to release its full potential. The VL field generated in this form can also be used to detect enemy’s movement. Lowe used it to confirm the existence of multiple Nebula Blitz Gundams during the battle. Tactical Arms IIL also contains “Maga no Ikutachi” Energy Absorption Claw (10X stronger) and DRAGOON system, even though Lowe cannot use it (Gundam Wiki got this right). Due to the many different functions, chances of Tactical Arms IIL malfunctioning increase, making its maintenance complex. Lowe wants to incorporate every thing he knows into this weapon.

Although the beam torch is usually used for cutting and welding, by adjusting the central beam generating device, it can be used as beam rifle. Tiger Pierce used to be on Un No’s Custom Ginn before Librarian Works acquire it. Correct cutting angle, combined with Gerbera Straight’s sharpness allows it to cut beam shot into 2 (Personally, I think Tiger Pierce should also be able to do it).

Source: Vs Astray and MG booklet
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Re: Seed/Astray Information (Mostly Astray)

Post by balofo » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:21 am

nice info! please continue

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Post by E08 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:30 am

Another round, focusing on Serpent Tail's equipment.

Blue Frame’s optional equipment

The data that was copied into Blue Frame contains Astray’s additional equipment design data as well as experimental equipment that are abandoned during development.

-The high speed booster is used when Serpent Tail is employed to recover data from a high speed spaceship that lost control during testing. It is unknown if the booster is built from data within the Blue Frame. After this mission, it is never used mention again.

-The Sensor unit is made from data within Blue Frame. A large enterprise offer to manufacture it so that Serpent Tail can complete the assignment (I suspect the enterprise to be Morgenroete. It is the enterprise that suggested that the Sensor unit can help with the mission). The Sensor unit increases Blue Frame’s communication ability greatly, even though it has no antenna. Sensing capability and information processing power also greatly increased. On the flipside, the various detectors are very energy draining and processing of the complex data place a heavy burden on the OS. The Sensor unit contains a dedicated computer to process these data.

-Full weapon form. In this form, Blue Frame is equipped with bazookas and missile launchers (I may be wrong but the missile seems to be short range guided weapon that can function under N-Jammer interference). The shield also contains chaff dispenser. This form seems to be created by Gai.

- Full Armor Phase Shift system is given to Serpent Tail by the employer so that Gai can complete the mission. This armor also provide the MS with ablative gel, thus it can be used for atmospheric re-entry. This equipment has its own battery and propellant. The white containers are actually laser cannons. In order to fit it on, some of Blue Frame 2nd’s armour has to be removed/changed.

-Equipped with Scale system, Blue Frame has better underwater mobility than ZAFT’s aquatic MS. Underwater booster together with the Scale system is able to achieve high movement speed underwater. Scale system can also be used as makeshift shield against phonon maser (something about vibrating to cancel out the phonon maser). This tactic has a limit as the area hit by the phonon maser will still be damaged.

-The "Lohengrin" launcher was built as the mission requires the destruction of Pergrande and the satellite factory that it guards. Destruction of the factory requires warship class weapons but the warships are easily destroyed by Pergrande. Gai dumped the equipment after the mission is completed. The launcher that appeared in Destiny Astray may be a newly made one.

Elijah’s ZAKU

This customised ZAKU, designed by Katie, is created after analysing Elijah’s attack style, weakness, habits, etc. Jess is also involved in its development. This ZAKU is equipped with PS armour (not TP) with some twists to save energy and cost. Unlike conventional PS armour that activates as the MS starts up, this ZAKU’s PS armour activates only when the pilot switch it on. The weird look when PS armour is on is due to the fact that PS armour is applied only on selected areas. These areas are decided after analysing Elijah’s combat data and are areas that have a higher chance of being hit. Custom Wizard grants the unit atmospheric flight capability. The shoulder equipment is changeable according to the mission’s needs. Where about of this unit is currently unknown, Goud Veia (carbon human) left the Vent Saviour to Elijah and escape with his ZAKU(Katie chased after him, but what happen after that is unknown).

Vent Saviour

This unit is left to Elijah after Goud Veia purposely has a small battle with him to warn him about Librarian Works. After belatedly realising this, Elijah tried to pilot it but is unable to do it well. He figures that this is due to him being used to piloting customised machine thus he went to Lowe to have it customised. Besides the customising of Vent Saviour to suite Elijah’s piloting style, Lowe suggested putting on the Maga no Ikutachi striker that he recovered from the damaged Nebula Blitz. He thinks that mirage colloid particles from the striker can be used to control air resistance. Librarian Works has done simulation tests on this and find this combination effective. Transformation is still possible after putting on the striker.

Guti

A powered suit that is roughly 2m tall, manufactured by Actaeon Industries. Unlike MS, it is not piloted but “worn”, although the user’s limbs are not inside of the suit’s limbs. Commonly used in battle before the appearance of MS. Currently; it is used only in specific mission E.g. mission where MS is too large or in places where the terrain is difficult for MS. The track on the leg can change its shape to fit the terrain. The long weapon on its back is not a cannon but a close combat weapon, the tip produces high heat to damage the enemy but it is not suitable for fighting against MS. Another weapon is the standard rifle. As its penetrating power has been increased, it can be used to fight against MS, but its main aim is to cause the MS to malfunction not to destroy it. The other weapon is the bendable rifle (cannot read the name or much about it as the text is too small). Its penetrating power is lower than the standard rifle. First appear in Astray novel but its lineart and profile is not released till Frame Astray. Favoured by Loretta and she has several units.

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Post by E08 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:40 am

New round.

Orb’s MS development.

Orb’s MS development began before EA’s, but the progress was slower due to the difference in resources. EA’s MS development gathers technology from many civilian enterprises and this cooperation is done in secret. To keep the secrecy, some of the developers received near imprisonment treatment. As Orb’s cooperation is through Morgenroete and not country to country, EA lets its guard down. First, Morgenroete provided the EA with battery technology. Using this as a start, Morgenroete managed to get the development of MS support equipment. Aile striker is produced at this point in time. After this, Morgenroete got involved in all of EA’s MS development.

OS development in Heliopolis is centred on mechanical engineering expert Prof Kato. Although he was able to get EA’s data, there was not much improvement. At this point in time, in the area of natural use OS, Orb is more advanced. Orb’s OS is a modified version of EA’s as the MS basic structure is based on theirs.

Both Astray gundams and M1 Astray are completed in the same month as they are developed in parallel. M1 (Model 1) is put into production immediately. As Ghina obtained the GAT-X data, he sent it to Onogoro Island. Feedback from the Astray gundams are sent back as well. Erica Simmons then uses these data to create the production model. The name “Astray” came up when Mina is visiting the production line and gave Erica the honor of naming the machine.

Similar to Strike gundam, the Astray gundams are supposed to be equipped with additional armaments, thus the sliding backpack. The developers also design the head components to be changeable; in fact, the whole head can be changed according to the mission’s needs. Unfortunately, these plans are abandoned before any of them is manufactured. Foam metal armor was already in design phase before Erica got involved in EA’s gundams development. Both Ghina and Gai modified/optimised the Astray’s OS after getting into the cockpit.

Erica later employed Gai to train the pilots, in return for P03’s underwater equipment and upgrade parts. Under Gai’s insistence, the training involves the use of real firearms but with low power to better simulate combat condition. Although the OS has been modified by Kira, there are still some bugs in it, causing M1 to make weird movement sometimes. Gai later help with the OS improvement

"Maga no Ikutachi" Energy Absorption Claws

A non-lethal weapon developed by Erica that symbolizes Orb’s neutrality. This weapon was supposed to be a non-contact weapon that releases colloid particles in the air/space around Gold Frame Amatsu and when enemy units enter this space, their energy will be drained. It utilizes the carrier ability of the colloid particles. Unfortunately, this non-contact method’s particles loss rate was too high when compared to having the particles fixed onto the armor. Thus, it was changed into a contact weapon. This equipment was sent in parts form to Ame-no-Mihashira where it was equipped onto Gold Frame Amatsu.

Ame-no-Mihashira

It was supposed to be a part of the orbital elevator (with the same name) proposed by Uzumi in CE 58. A man-made island was constructed to be the base. It was the first part of the elevator to be built and the large factory inside was supposed to manufacture other parts of the elevator using resources transported from the moon and asteroids. War between Plant and earth occurred as it was completed. Due to the war, Orb was forced to increase its military power and Ame-no-Mihashira was used as a weapons factory instead. As such, its management was handed over to the Sahakus, since they have close relations with the military. After the first war, Eurasian Federation carried out a failed attack on it with 30 strike daggers as the Alliance’s space facilities has become limited with the destruction of the lunar base. Before this, EA had treated it as ‘non-existent’.

Some weapon’s materials have to be manufactured in space as weightless or low weight condition is needed to achieve a stable quality. Examples include PS armor material and Astray’s foam metal.

M1A Astray & Ootsukigata

M1A’s antenna has been enlarged to allow better communication under N-Jammer interference. Its beam saber has been enhanced and even shield with anti-beam coating may not last long against it. Ootsukigata is a space use MS and is supposed to team up with M1A. It attacks the enemy units with its railgun before M1A move in.

Quantum computer AI

Erica works together with 20 large quantum computers; each has its own AI and she gave each of them a name. The AI system was developed by her Junk Guild friend, the Professor. When designing something, each AI will propose its own idea and the final product is the result of their agreement. Sometimes, they will argue with each other as each of them wants their idea to be adopted. When this happens, simulation is used to prove the usefulness of the idea. If the result is able to convince the other AIs, it will be adopted. Due to this system, Erica is able to design MS by herself. It is one of these AI that suggested lightening the MS to reduce the chance of it being hit. Although 8 is a quantum computer AI, it is unaffected by the Mirage Colloid Virus used by Gel Finieto. Lowe shut down the Red Frame’s computer, transferring the control of Red Frame to 8 so as to escape from Gel Finieto’s control. In the end, Gel Finieto was cut in half by Blue Frame 2nd L.

Mirage Colloid

The basic of colloid technology is well known but the use of it in cloaking surprise many. Although Mirage Colloid detector was developed, it can only tell the user that something using it is nearby. It is unable to detect the exact location. Mirage Colloid may also accidentally partially cloak other objects that are in close contact as it dissipates. This is how Blue Frame with the sensor unit is able to locate a Mirage Colloid using Moebius that was stolen. According to Destiny Astray, near the end of the 1st war, improvement in Mirage Colloid technology removes the restriction that MS using it must be colored black. Mirage Colloid particles seem to be used in Dom Trooper’s Jet Stream Attack.

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Post by Calubin_175 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:10 pm

Question about the modularity of the Astrays: Since the plans for the extra equipment was abandoned, did the Blue Frame original unique data only allowed it to be equipped with official Orb designed modules such as the Scale System and booster unit? Gai had Zaft missile pods attached to his and Lowe probably reprogrammed his Red Frame's OS to use parts such as Powered Red.

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Post by E08 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:37 am

The novel/photonovel did not say much about it, so im not sure. The booster unit may have been designed by Serpent Tail themselves.

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Post by E08 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:45 am

More information from Phantom Pain report, Vs Astray and MG Strike IWSP.

Phantom Pain Report

Nero Blitz is equipped with nuclear engine and it seems that this is done after Actaeon Industries hand the unit over to Phantom Pain. The larger antenna reflects improvement in communication ability under N-Jammer interference and in detection/sensing technology. It is equipped with mostly melee weapons as they are quieter and emit less or no light. After crystallizing, the grappling arms can reflect beam weapon in different direction by controlling the internal refractive index. Junk Guild discovers that the internal component will degrade as the refractive index changes, limiting the number of beam reflection. Rosso Aegis does not have a nuclear engine but Junk Guild discovers that preparation has been made for the installation of one after looking through its wreckage. Due to its transformation ability, its internal structure is very complex and when taken into account the different environment, the use of this machine has many troubling elements. Both units are taken in by Junk Guild after their defeat.

Both Another Trial Sword Striker and Launcher Striker are test units for the development of next generation machine. The doubling of rocket anchor and beam boomerang may have been done to compensate for the fact that they are easily lost during combat. Raigo gundam and its striker packs are derived from Strike E and the trial strikers.

Vs Astray

“Amenohabakili” & Wing Saw

Mirage Frame’s katana, "Amenohabakili", was made using data from "Gerbera Straight". It has VPS and is able to gather data about the object that it gets in contact with. If the katana is unable to cut through the object, VPS is turned on and its setting uses the data collected beforehand, allowing it to easily destroy the object in the next strike. Its color will change from purple to black when VPS is on. (In the story, this ability is used to destroy “Armor Schneider”, but should also work on other object.)

Gale Strike’s Wing Saw also has the same data gathering ability. The data is used to change the frequency at which the saw blade vibrate, increasing its cutting power. It can even cut through PS armor easily.

Nebula Blitz

As some already know, ‘Mirage Colloid Teleport’ involves multiple units taking turn to cloak and uncloak. Moving while cloaked and attacking when uncloaked. This trick has a restriction in that it cannot be used when a Nebula Blitz is surrounded. In order to carry it out effectively, the Lily clones are implanted with quantum communication device (or perhaps ability), allowing them to know the location of each other so as to coordinate their attack. This technology is the same as those used in DRAGOON system. 20 units are produced and similarly, there are 20 Lily clones. Approximately, 4 to 6 units are used each time. The clones are not assigned any specific unit. 6 units are destroyed in the battle against Mirage Frame 2nd Issue while 5 units, along with their pilot are recovered by Junk Guild.

Mirage Frame 2nd Issue

Librarian Works designed it before Ghina’s (carbon human) defeat but did not manufacture it as according to simulation, not even a coordinator can pilot it. Ghina ordered the upgrade despite the technician’s protest, saying that he will handle the piloting problem himself. It is unknown if the new head is part of the upgrade or that a new head is installed simply because Mirage Frame’s head was sliced off. In his 2nd battle against Gai, Mirage Frame 2nd Issue did not perform as expected and he is defeated in a manner worse than the first. The picture of Mirage Frame 2nd Issue piercing Blue Frame 2nd L’s head is simply Ghina’s imagination. After this defeat, he upgraded Mirage Frame into 3rd Issue form.

Carbon Human

Old cells are replaced by new cells every 90 days or so as part of the metabolic process, Carbon Human is created by controlling this process while injecting new genetic materials into specific cells using retrovirus. Memories of the original person are also copied into the Carbon Human’s mind and if required, hormonal adjustment and adjustment of micro substances controlling the brain’s activity will also be carried out. All these are done according to the data Librarian Works have about the original person. These processes take about 6 months to complete and are carried out inside a special capsule. During this time, the Carbon Human is immobile. The Carbon Human produced is not a 100% copy of the original person, especially in terms of memory and character. This is due to minute biological differences and in extreme case, can lead to a person with a very different character. Carbon Human of any age can be produced using this method. The age of the human body used must match the age that is needed; otherwise a very different person will be created (Eg. To make a Carbon Human of a person when he is 18, the age of the human body used must be 18). As such, the memories and data of the original person at the age required are very important.

The Carbon Humans do know that they are not the real person. Having memories that belongs to an older self does not produce a flawed Carbon Human; E.g. Un No’s Carbon Human is 20-30 years old but has all of Un No’s memories. A younger Un No is produced as Librarian Works only has physical data of his younger self. Even if they have the physical data of his older self, they may still use the stronger and younger data. ND HE is a younger Gai for the same reason; Librarian Works only have data about Gai when he was a part of EA. ND HE wears a mask to conceal the fact that he is a Carbon Human of a person still living and to prevent chaos within Librarian Works. Prayer’s Carbon Human is his older self as the original Prayer, who is a clone, has mitochondrial defects and this is reflected in his Carbon Human as accelerated aging. Librarian Works create carbon Humans as it wants to have the strongest pilot.

Ghina’s body upgrade

Although Librarian Works has the technology to enhance the human body, they seem to have trouble finding people for experimentation. Librarian Work’s body enhancement technology is a combination of technologies around the world, including from EA’s Extended program. Synthetic blood vessels are implanted and they can circulate perfluorocarbon, which can be classified as synthetic blood. This synthetic blood contains organic fluorine compound, which is able to transport more oxygen than normal blood, enhancing the nervous system, thereby increasing reaction speed, thinking speed, etc. The synthetic blood vessel can also control blood flow, helping the body withstand extreme Gs, prevent blackout, dizziness and other similar problems. Perfluorocarbon only circulates during combat as prolonged usage is bad for the body. During normal condition, the synthetic blood is stored inside an auxiliary artificial heart in concentrated form. The synthetic blood vessel pops up on the skin surface when the synthetic blood is in use. A device is implanted on the forehead to control the synthetic blood. Carbon skeleton is also implanted to strengthen the body. As the combat ends, the synthetic blood stop flowing, causing Ghina to feel extremely tired.

MG Strike IWSP booklet

Out of the 5 Gundams created in Heliopolis, Strike gundam is the most mobile. Due to the striker packs, Strike Gundam does not have much excess weight as it only carries equipment that is necessary for the mission. At the same time, Strike gundam’s reliance on the PS armour increases so as to lighten the armour. This also causes Strike’s energy usage to be higher and the danger of it powering down is high. Strike gundam is fitted with safety shutter so as to protect the cockpit during emergencies. This allows the pilot to be protected when the PS armour is damaged or when the MS power down. Sven's Strike gundam's PS armor is darken so as to balance energy consumption and armour strength.

Strike’s arm unit has the closest resemblance to the human arm. It is developed with the aim of fully recreating all the actions that a human arm can do. Such requirement is not present in other MS created by ZAFT or EA as MS arms are usually used only to hold weapons or other combat related objects, they are rarely used for other purposes. Weapons are usually created to complement the MS, every time a new MS is developed; its rifle is designed specifically for its use. Generally, one MS’s weapon can be easily used by another, but there is a big difference between ‘using it’ and ‘using it at its full capability’. In order to solve this problem, Strike’s arm is designed to be able to handle any weapon. Although the completed arm accomplished this aim, but its cost efficiency decrease due to its complex structure and high cost. Furthermore, complex weapon that require special arm unit did not appear. As a result, later units did not use similar arm units.

The Anti-ship Sword does not have a beam or laser edge so as reduce energy usage. Although the Combined Shield has defence, range and melee attack ability, it also causes the unit’s centre of gravity to tilt to the left greatly when it is equipped. Thus, it is rated lowly by the pilot and is not include when Strike is modified into Strike Noir.

2 thrusters and 3 pairs of wings are fitted onto IWSP so as compensate for its heavy weight. PMP created 3 IWSP units. IWSP unit 1 is a simulation model use for VR battle, unit 2 is the full size model and unit 3 is the prototype. Morgenroete managed to get unit 3 after PMP abandon the development due to energy issue, which is solved by Morgenroete due to their power pack technology. After the war, Actaeon Industries managed to build a new IWSP and data obtained from its usage is used to make Noir striker while some data is also used in developing Jet striker and Doppelhorn striker.

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I will write up a bit on the Noir Striker and my personal evaluation on how it compares with the IWSP.

The Noir Striker succeeds the IWSP as an all purpose weapon module which consitutes flight ability, long range bombardment and close range combat ability. This was designed to easily overhwelm Zaft's mainstay MS and when this weapon was simulated, it was up againist a Ginn with 40% specs up. However this simulation turned out to be meaningless.

While it is an all purpose module, it does specialise in close combat, giving this striker pack a unique characteristic. The striker unit itself utilises PS Armor and though the progression in power supply has realised this, the high cost of PS armor material made it not very mass productive. Therefore, there were hardly any of these striker packs built.

Like the IWSP pack, the Noir Striker demands high piloting skill to master and therefore, there were no records of this being provided to regular forces. At the end of the first war, Phantom Pain has switched their pilot contingent from Naturals to Extended. With that in mind, it has been considered that this striker pack would be given to Extendeds besides Sven. However with the collapse of Logos, the fate of this striker pack is unknown.

Weapons
MAU-M3E4 Twin Linear Gun
As its model number implies, it is a developed model of the Alliance's MAU-M3 series best seller. Commonly equipped on Mobile Armors(Moebius, Exass), the M3 boasts reliability and cost performance. With the E4 model, it is configured with rapid fire and shortened electric charge to specialise in close combat.

MR-Q10 Fragarach Beam Blade
Zaft officials have doubted the effectiveness of their military's solid edged anti vessel blades. With the combat records of Ginn, the anti ship blade, a weapon that doesn't consume energy or ammunition, proved to be quite effective and debunked the said doubt. Since then, various anti vessel blades have been developed and this Fragarach is the newest model which has both a solid edge and a beam edge for effectiveness againist PS Armor. Jpn Wiki says that it is based on Gaia's Griffin Blades and shares a similar model number.

Shorty beam rifle
Has 15% decreased in shooting range compared to standard rifles.

Duel Gundam Rifle
Has both beam and solid round elements(grenade) and is heavily supported by pilots that have a wealth of experience with both firearm types. Though this is a prototype model, its production numbers do rival that of mass production rifles. Starting from the GAT-105E, it has been used by many Mobile Suits. (Oddly, I think the limited production Duel Dagger tend to use the Strike Dagger rifle and shield, but in the PS2 game opening it uses the Deul rifle and shield.)

Lukas' Strike E
It is tuned with better limb posture control, hence granting it better performance. As a test machine for the FUJIYAMA's next generation model, it is equipped with the IWSP which provides the base figures for mobility, firepower and melee ability. I think the Raigo striker packs and the another trial packs were compared with these base figures.

Speaking of base figures, the IWSP seem to be a jack of all trades. Lets say the strength of the respective special attributes of the Aile, Launcher and Sword Striker are quantified as 5, then I would say the IWSP has 4 for each of them. It has been said that its anti ship blades faster than that of the Sword Strike, and its long range railguns has better precision than the Agni of the Launcher Strike. But don't forget, the anti ship blade being beamless wouldn't stand a chance during a sword clash with a beam saber wielding opponent.

Since the Noir Striker in conjunction with the 105E is also specialised for close combat(hence the anchors, beam shorties and added thrusters), I would say that its power level for the attributes of mobility, firepower and melee ability would be 4, 3 and 5 respectively. I don't think that the linear guns has the same range as the long range railguns of the IWSP, but it can still fire further than a beam rifle.

Lukas might have integrated all aspects of the IWSP in combat, starting with firing the railgun to bombard the enemy, and then charge in with the swords to attacked the disarrayed enemy.

All in all, I think the Noir Striker, much like the Divine Striker, is a striker pack that grants multiple abilities like the IWSP, but its attributes may not be balanced. I would consider the railgun and single cannons of the IWSP as pretty much of a deadweight and kind of defeats the Strike's purpose of minimising dead weight at the first place. The Noir Striker is definitely more efficient as it combines flight and melee specialties which are complementary with each other. Given that the base 105E has anchors already, there is really no need for the Another Trial Striker Sword pack.

The IWSP really just remained in the experiemental stage and was never officialy commissioned, but thankfully it did give rise to the Noir Striker, Jet Striker and Dopplehorn Pack. Though it was experiemental, a small number IWSPs were being used within the regular army.

Power Consumption
Another note, if you look at the PG Strike Rouge manual, the graph shows the striker packs in ascending order of consumption are Sword, Aile, Launcher and IWSP. With the power extender of the Strike Rouge and Replica Strike, the operation limit doubles and in this state, the IWSP's operation time is just a bit higher than the normal Strike with the Aile.

Source: MG, PG Manuals

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Post by E08 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:43 am

Haha, i was in the mist of translating the chinese version of MG Strike Noir maunal when i saw your post. Your translation is certainly better than mine.

More info regarding MS that appear in stargazer.

From HG Stargazer booklet

It has some kind of self-repair ability involving micro technology. The ring structure on its back function as power receiving antenna for Voiture Lumiere (VL) as well as movable thruster. The separable ring structure is able to change thrust axis according to situation, allowing Stargazer to have high mobility. Power receivers are also located all over the unit’s body. Black lines on the body are linked to the ring structure on the back; they serve as support system for VL and for correcting thrust balance. Special ring shaped luminescence around the MS is due to energy/environmental interference caused by the VL system.

From HG Verde Buster booklet

Actaeon Industries modified Buster Gundam into Verde Buster Gundam according to Phantom Pain’s instruction. These modifications allow the unit to engage in various form of combat, from long range to close combat. When the rifles combined, the beam produced is guided/induced (not sure which is more appropriate or correct) by the control system within the unfolded bayonets. The force field generator within the bayonet allows it to cut or penetrate any normal armor. The face guard is for protecting the sensors during close combat.

From HG Kerberos BuCue Hound booklet

To complement the “New Millennium” series of MS, ZAFT modified older MSes to extend their lifespan and Kerberos BuCue Hound is one such product. The head unit is modified to complement the Kerberos Wizard which is created for mobility close combat. Each head of the wizard has its own tracking, target capturing ability and due to their flexible structure, is able to attack the enemy from different directions. The aiming sensor is located in the center of each head. The beam cannon’s range is reduced but its rate of fire increases, its focus is on close range suppression capability. Due to the wizard’s unique structure and programming, it is most effective when fitted on the BuCue Hound compared to other MS.

From HG Civilian Astray DSSD Custom booklet

“UT” in the model code stands for “utility” and as the word suggests, this machine is a multipurpose MS, able to handle construction, relief work, combat, etc. As precision work in space requires fine movements, the propulsion system is designed so as to allow finer control of the MS and is a mix of conventional and electromagnetic propulsion system. The latter system has lower thrusting power but also cause less pollution. Thus, it does not affect DSSD’s equipment. This machine is created with the assistance of former Orb citizens.

The beam gun is designed by DSSD. It is equipped with a unique variable output system and focus more on rate of fire rather than effective range or power. Thus, it has excellent close range suppression capability. In an emergency, the laser torch which is usually used for work purposes can also be used as a self-defense weapon. By elongating the beam’s focus, it will become a weapon but the activation of this mode requires recognition code from DSSD equipment control center. The light weight shield is produced by DSSD weightless smelting facilities. It uses a modified form of a special light weight alloy and maintains Civilian Astray’s main feature, which is its high mobility in space. The shield’s sharp edge takes into account collision during close combat.

From HG & MG strike Noir booklet

The new GAT-X series are built by a joint venture lead by Actaeon Industries. Compared to X105, X105E has greatly improved control system and uses much less energy. These improvements together with the improved AI system allow naturals to pilot the machine very easily. Power extender is installed to increase the operational time while PS armor is extended to the Striker pack as it does not carry a shield. Strike Noir’s PS armor is mainly black due to the use of VPS and power extender. During the modification process, Phantom Pain requested for the unit to be specialized in close combat. This came about after analyzing Sven’s Strike IWSP’s combat data. Strike Noir team up with Blu Duel and Verde Buster so as to remedy the loss of general purpose capability due to the specialization and the team’s performance meets Phantom Pain’s expectation.

X105E’s head unit is specialized for close combat. The cooling vents at the center of the face are relocated to the sides due to the new vulcans’ ammo route (lack of better word) and the new layout of the enhanced sensor system. The ammo route is changed as the new vulcans’ higher rate of fire requires a faster supply of ammo. The cheek armor has also been redesigned for better cooling. Environmental sensors are installed to increase adaptability during combat. A new head antenna system is used as Phantom Pain’s communication system has been enhanced so as to increase the reliability of data communication with friendly units during close combat.

Significant changes are made to the internal designs of the arm unit due to the installation of the rocket anchor launcher. The anchor and its cable are stored inside a container, which also contains a special polymer solution, located in the far end of the forearm’s elbow region. The cable’s core is made from extremely tough, single molecule fiber and it is surrounded by a layer of polymer. The cable will pass through a layer of polymer solution when the anchor launches and this coating will harden instantly after the launch. At the same time, by modulating the molecules of the coating, one is able to control its thickness, hardness, softness and other properties. This in turn will also affect the cable’s properties, allowing it to adapt according to the different situation/uses. The coated cable is able to withstand ~100t in a 1G environment without breaking. The new arm unit did not sacrifice any of the X105 arm unit’s capabilities but as a result, the cost of the arm unit increases.

It is estimated that there are less than 10 completed Noir Striker and it is most effective when used together with X105E. Phantom Pain did not reveal itself when instructing Actaeon Industries to develop Noir Striker; it is done through underhand dealings with Logos members, who are major stake holders of the company. I suppose this applies to the all the newly built and modified GAT-X units.
Jpn Wiki says that it is based on Gaia's Griffin Blades and shares a similar model number.
This claim seems to have originated from the HG manual.

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Post by DoubleZero » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:43 pm

E08 wrote:Erica later employed Gai to train the pilots, in return for P03’s underwater equipment and upgrade parts. Under Gai’s insistence, the training involves the use of real firearms but with low power to better simulate combat condition. Although the OS has been modified by Kira, there are still some bugs in it, causing M1 to make weird movement sometimes. Gai later help with the OS improvement
I always thought Kira was the only one responsible for the Natural type OS, pretty interesting.
From HG Stargazer booklet
Anything about its A.I., though?

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I'm most interested about Nix Providence, though. I've heard that its DRAGOON system is superior to both the original and Legend's system.

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Post by E08 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:11 am

Kira's stay in Orb at that time may not be long enough for him to debug the OS.

Unfortunately, the HG manual did not state any thing new about stargazer's AI.

The photonovel did not mention much about Nix povidence's DRAGOON system. Although it is possible that its DRAGOON system is superior to Legend's, personally, i kind of doubt it.

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Post by Calubin_175 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:35 am

All we know is that the Nix's dragoons are controlled by the quantum brainwave system identical to that of the Providence Zaku, Legend and Strike Freedom. Its head antennas facilitates the quantum control system and even the Dragoon Striker itself can be remotely controlled, hence it sums up to 12 dragoons in total.

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Post by Gelgoog Jager » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:54 pm

E08, would you happen to have any new information regarding the background and capabilities of:

Regenerate Gundam
Testament Gundam (specially information regarding its original configuration, such as if the Divine Striker was already part of its equipment)
Proto Saviour (differences with Saviour Gundam)
Impulse Gundams (The 2(?) other units beside Shin's)
Hyperion Unit 3
Hyperion G

Also, I would like to ask you about information regarding the Socius clones that only appear on the Astray series, such as:

How many are there?
Which have been mentioned so far?
What units did they pilot?
What factions did they fought for?
How many have died so far?
Also, as I understand they can't attack naturals, but do they have some way of knowing this, or do they simply don't attack any non-ZAFT unit?

Thanks in advance for any information you can provide us regarding these topics.

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Post by E08 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:17 am

Regenerate Gundam
Testament Gundam (specially information regarding its original configuration, such as if the Divine Striker was already part of its equipment)
Proto Saviour (differences with Saviour Gundam)
Impulse Gundams (The 2(?) other units beside Shin's)
Hyperion Unit 3
Hyperion G
None for Regenerate, Hyperion G and Unit 3(unless you want its story), a bit for Testament and maybe destiny impulse (gotta check) coming up.

Proto Saviour has no differences with Saviour. It was meant for assessing the stress placed on the MS during flight and transformation. It seems to be built in Plant and later landed on earth for testing. Its VPS color was delibrate so that it can be easily observable during testing. Mirage Colloid Virus Spreader was installed on it by EA, or to be precise by a secret intelligence unit within EA connected to 'The Family' (testament also belongs to this group). In Proto Saviour+11 form (created by Ile), Regenerate's backpack can be seperated and controlled using the MC virus.

As for Socius Clones, there is quite an amount of info about them in the Astray novel. Maybe more suited for a new thread in the Anime section (?). They can attack non-ZAFT unit but if they know the pilot is a Natural, they will not kill them. E.g. the socius clones with mina fought against Eurasia Federation to protect Ame No Mihashira but the pilots all survived. Eleven and Seven have made their own plans and put it into action but the result is unknown. They did not break their mental control, their escape was temporary but made permanent due to suitation. Will post more after i get around to finishing mecha stuff(Free time is short at the moment but seed, destiny MSV coming up).

Edit: Corrected the part about proto saviour.

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Post by E08 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:50 am

The focus of the post is mainly on EA's MS.

Gunbarrel Dagger (From Astray B and Seed MSV)

105 Dagger’s vital areas are protected by laminated armor and 23 units are produced during the 1st war, including 1 system verification unit and 2 prototypes. After the war, production of 105 Dagger continues and it is improved numerous times. The latest production type is Block 7.

EA credits the performance of Strike Gundam as due to Naturals’ effort and the battles are publicized using Mu’s performance. Mu was supposed to pilot Strike Gundam after it was recovered from Archangel, and Gunbarrel striker was designed so that Strike can become his personal MS. As the plan did not materialize, the striker is mounted onto Morgan’s 105 Dagger after usability checks. The gunbarrel pod’s wire can be easily cut during battle, causing Morgan to radio for replacement. Thus, at least 2 Gunbarrel strikers will be prepared for each battle. After receiving the striker, Morgan will let the front portion return as he considers it a burden.

Slaughter Dagger (from HG manual)

A 105 Dagger slightly modified by Phantom Pain, Aile Striker is its standard equipment. By using the FCS automatic control system, the head vulcans will automatically engage incoming enemy units. 12.5mm anti-infantry guns are installed to avoid the criticism that against infantry, MS’s weapons are overkill. MX703G beam rifle is developed according to EA’s weapons transformation guideline 71D. Its aim is for shell –firing weapons and beam weapons to co-exist on a common platform. MX703G is the trial beam rifle build under this guideline and serves as proof of concept. The ES01 beam saber on this unit is of the 4th generation, Block 35F.

ES05A used by Blu Duel is a modified beam saber created by Phantom Pain for their own use, and has greatly increased reliability and durability.

Long Dagger

According to Astray B, Long dagger’s Fortrestra Armor is designed using data transferred from Archangel to the 8th fleet. When the armor is ejected, an intense flash will be released due to its design.

Dagger L

According to Destiny Astray photo novel, it was intended for attacking Plant after the battle of Jachin Due had been won by EA. It has the performance of 105 Dagger and the mass production capability of Strike Dagger.

N Dagger N (from destiny MSV)

The main purpose of this MS is to destroy enemy’s defensive positions and facilities at the rear of the frontline, recon, kidnapping, assassination, etc. It is developed mainly for unconventional warfare. It is commonly thought that as Blitz Gundam is stolen after its completion, EA is unable to obtain useful combat data regarding its system. Actually, there are other experimental units besides Blitz, thus EA do not have much difficulty in obtaining the data.

It is equipped with nuclear reactor and hence N-Jammer canceller, as controlling the magnetic field used to hold Mirage Colloid particles requires a lot of electrical energy. Compared to Blitz, it has an almost limitless operational time while cloaking. This is especially beneficial in special operations where energy resupply is severely restricted. Anti-armor penetrator is developed from Strike’s Armor Schneider. It shield contains a high energy plasma blaster. Before the signing of Junis Treaty, N Dagger N’s existence was already very secretive and this was further increased after the signing of the treaty. On the surface, its development was stopped and the team disbanded, in fact it continued in extreme secrecy. The team carried on the development in a spontaneous manner, resulting in the appearance that the military and other companies were not involved. As such, the developers self-ridiculed their shadow like existence and called themselves “Ninja Works”. For this reason, the second “N” in the name is deemed to be “Ninja”. Its existence is an open secret as its confidentiality has not been lifted and EA does not acknowledge its existence.

Wild Dagger (from destiny MSV)

In rugged terrain, EA forces often faced a tough battle against ZAFT forces due to the superb mobility of BuCUE and LaGOWE. Wild Dagger was developed to handle them, but due to its increasing development cost and the cease fire between both parties, the project was frozen. It was restarted after EA analysed Gaia Gundam’s structure and the design changed from 4 legged to its current form. As it is based on Dagger L and has many similar parts, its production cost is very low.

Wild Dagger’s focus is on counter insurgency and this also reflects EA’s change in focus. When its back is facing the enemy during MA form, the 175mm tail cannon’s angle can be controlled by adjusting its 4 legs. As the tail cannon can also shoot while moving, it is also used for attacking pursing enemies while retreating. As the arm hard point is retained, it can also be equipped with a shield. Although 72 units were ordered, only 70 are produced in the end. During counter insurgency battle, its psychological effect on its enemies is way higher than its mobility.

Sword Calamity

According to seed MSV, Sword Calamity is produced during the development of Calamity Gundam, as a part of “Rebuild 1416 Program”. This program aims to build all-purpose MS that can handle different tactical situations by changing its equipment.

"Scylla" energy cannon has its max output reduced to 30%, to increase the unit’s operational time. The profile also claims that Strike Gundam’s anti-ship sword has the laser gun’s outer appearance but its internal component was omitted. 2 Sword Calamity, each accompanied by 2 Strike Daggers, are involved in the attack on Victoria base. Unit 2 is piloted by Edward Harrelson while Four Socius pilots unit 3.

On the website that contains the MSV translation is a profile for Sword Calamity unit 1. Unit 1’s colour is partly due to the fact that it is modified directly from Calamity Gundam. After the war, a video showing Sword Calamity fighting Strike Gundam is well known, but this is actually a simulation. Unit 1 was created for data gathering. After this was done, it was supposed to be fitted with other equipment according to “Rebuild 1416 Program”. Its colour was not changed due to this reason. As the war progressed, the base unit for all-purpose MS was change to 105 Dagger. As such, Unit 1 was stored inside an underground factory in Detroit after completing its duty.

Raider Full Specs (From Seed MSV)

It was developed for long range aerial assault. The sub-wing extends its travel range and increases its flight capability. The hard points are on the top surface of the sub wing so as to maintain the MS’s aerial characteristics and to allow the weapons to be used by the MS’s arms. Other than weapons, the hard points can also be fitted with propellant tanks, auxiliary engines, etc. The sub wing also contains ramjet engines that are used after the MS enters the atmosphere with its re-entry pod. The 4 thrusters on Raider Gundam’s leg are omitted as the sub wing has similar function. Leading edge flaps, winglets are installed on the main wing and the main turbojet engine has a higher output. At the abdomen area, hooks are installed for an experimental project, involving an auxiliary system that uses Magnus effect to control the forces caused by high speed rotation of the cylinder. (This part may not be translated properly.)

On ground, it is usually launched in its MA form using dedicated catapults. It can be launched from water surfaces using separable float. In MS form, vertical take-off is possible but not recommend as it consumes too much fuel. Some pilots prefer to first let the sub wing take-off vertically using auxiliary engine, followed by vertical take-off of the MS and finally, they combine in mid-air.

According to Seed MSV Senki, “King Cobra” missile seems to have selectable tracking modes and an AI system that predicts enemy’s movement. Edward’s wingmen use the sub wing as ramming weapon by releasing it in close range while on collision course with the enemy. The attack sliced their targets in half and the wingmen named it “Ripper Attack”.

Forbidden Blue (From Seed MSV)

It has a speed of 100 knots and above. The developers intentionally/unintentionally ignored water pressure problem due to its test machine status. Head vulcans and the forearm machine guns are retained as they are usefully during surface combat; their muzzles are fitted with automatic waterproof cover. Early in its development stage, there was a plan to install motors on the tail extension so that it can move through water silently by using the tail movements, but this was soon dropped. It is also equipped with an imaging system that is capable of high speed information integration processing for maintaining good visual of the surrounding. 4 units are created in total.

M1A Astray (From Seed MSV)

This unit was developed to protect Ame-no-Mihashira and the 1st unit is completed in early June. Orb’s orbital elevator plan was terminated when the country falls, but the Sahakus refused to comply and continue to use it for M1A’s development, manufacture and deployment. Although the simplified leg structure can only support the MS’s own weight, its AMBAC capability was increased by 30%. Its propulsion system was enhanced; complementing this was new propellant and coolant tanks. The sniper beam rifle was developed specifically for long distance shooting on the earth’s orbit. It contains high precision sensor and an aiming rectification system to compensate for deviation caused by the earth’s magnetic field, giving it very high accuracy.

Barry Ho’s M1A was built from spare parts developed in parallel on earth. According to Seed MSV Senki, he managed to disable a GuAIZ Experimental Firearms Type with a single punch. M1A’s drive system was overloaded by the powerful punch, which is stronger than the developers had intended, and some safety devices stop functioning as their circuit breakers activate.

Out Frame

The beam rifle is developed by Katie specifically for Out Frame and can link up with its high performance sensor for accurate shooting. It also has a special launch system which is usually occupied by a single grenade. In the photo novel, Multi-pack is designed by 8, using data acquired from Regenerate Gundam when it tried to gain control of Red Frame. The dimension of its weapon connection point can be freely altered, thus allowing it to use different types of add on packs but they have to be controlled by 8 for the system to work. 8 may have been influenced by Raider Full Spec when designing G-Flight. G-Flight cannot be used by other MS as 8 design it specifically for Out Frame.

The secondary cockpit in the head was created by removing sensors that were originally there, they can be reinstalled if required. During the battle with Proto Saviour+11, Jess was in the main cockpit while Bernadette was in the secondary cockpit, serving as his ‘eyes’. Katie once commented that Out Frame’s movements are very similar to Strike Gundam and he was not surprised that it can utilize striker packs.

Testament & Regenerate Gundam

It was stolen from Genesis Alpha while Regenerate Gundam was away. 2 stealth MS and 1 Cosmo Grasper were involved in the theft which was masterminded by Matis. Sword Striker used in the getaway was actually recovered by ZAFT from the battlefields (other strikers seems to be present as well). As it spent 5 minutes to destroy MS troops guarding Genesis Alpha, Matis feels that its pilot needs to be a coordinator. She also suggested equipping it with Mirage Colloid Virus Spreader. Divine Striker and "Trikeros Kai" are most likely developed by EA as only the MS was stolen. Both are equipped with PS armor and Divine Striker’s flight capability is better than Aile’s. Jess asked Katie to aim for the armor seams near the cockpit door as it is the weakest part of the whole MS.

(I forgot about this while writing my previous post)Destiny Astray photo novel also claims that other than using Aegis Gundam’s transformation system, Regenerate Gundam also benefited from striker pack technology that ZAFT obtained by analyzing previous combat against Strike Gundam. ZAFT seems to have a plan that involves combining Testament and Regenerate Gundam, with the latter serving as striker pack for the former.

The photo novel also notes that the change in ZAFT’s ideology during the 1st war can be seen from the names of the nuclear powered Gundams. In the beginning, ZAFT see itself as representing justice and are fighting for freedom. Later a change (regenerate) in ideology occurs. Testament, a convent between god (coordinators) and man (naturals), as the unit uses EA’s striker pack system. Finally, providence, meaning ‘God’s Will’.
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Very interesting stuff. Know that your translation efforts are very much appreciated.
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Post by Gelgoog Jager » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:46 pm

Thanks for this very interesting information. I do have a couple of questions though:
E08 wrote:Slaughter Dagger (from HG manual)

A 105 Dagger slightly modified by Phantom Pain, Aile Striker is its standard equipment. By using the FCS automatic control system, the head vulcans will automatically engage incoming enemy units. 12.5mm anti-infantry guns are installed to avoid the criticism that against infantry, MS’s weapons are overkill. MX703G beam rifle is developed according to EA’s weapons transformation guideline 71D. Its aim is for shell –firing weapons and beam weapons to co-exist on a common platform. MX703G is the trial beam rifle build under this guideline and serves as proof of concept. The ES01 beam saber on this unit is of the 4th generation, Block 35F.
So, does this basically says that the beam rifle used by Slaughter Dagger:

A) Can also use physical machineguns rounds.
B) Is meant to look like the 105 Dagger's machiengun
C) Or the old mahcineguns are converted into beam weapons
E08 wrote:N Dagger N (from destiny MSV)

The main purpose of this MS is to destroy enemy’s defensive positions and facilities at the rear of the frontline, recon, kidnapping, assassination, etc. It is developed mainly for unconventional warfare. It is commonly thought that as Blitz Gundam is stolen after its completion, EA is unable to obtain useful combat data regarding its system. Actually, there are other experimental units besides Blitz, thus EA do not have much difficulty in obtaining the data.

It is equipped with nuclear reactor and hence N-Jammer canceller, as controlling the magnetic field used to hold Mirage Colloid particles requires a lot of electrical energy. Compared to Blitz, it has an almost limitless operational time while cloaking. This is especially beneficial in special operations where energy resupply is severely restricted. Anti-armor penetrator is developed from Strike’s Armor Schneider. It shield contains a high energy plasma blaster. Before the signing of Junis Treaty, N Dagger N’s existence was already very secretive and this was further increased after the signing of the treaty. On the surface, its development was stopped and the team disbanded, in fact it continued in extreme secrecy. The team carried on the development in a spontaneous manner, resulting in the appearance that the military and other companies were not involved. As such, the developers self-ridiculed their shadow like existence and called themselves “Ninja Works”. For this reason, the second “N” in the name is deemed to be “Ninja”. Its existence is an open secret as its confidentiality has not been lifted and EA does not acknowledge its existence.

Testament & Regenerate Gundam

It was stolen from Genesis Alpha while Regenerate Gundam was away. 2 N dagger N and 1 Cosmo Grasper were involved in the theft which was masterminded by Matis. Sword Striker used in the getaway was actually recovered by ZAFT from the battlefields (other strikers seems to be present as well). As it spent 5 minutes to destroy MS troops guarding Genesis Alpha, Matis feels that its pilot needs to be a coordinator. She also suggested equipping it with Mirage Colloid Virus Spreader. Divine Striker and "Trikeros Kai" are most likely developed by EA as only the MS was stolen. Both are equipped with PS armor and Divine Striker’s flight capability is better than Aile’s. Jess asked Katie to aim for the armor seams near the cockpit door as it is the weakest part of the whole MS.
I'm confused here, most likely because I don't know when was Genesis Alpha taken over by Serpent Trail and the Junk Guild. If the N Dagger N are completed after the Bloody Valentine War, does that mean that Ash Gray was still on possesion of Alpha Genesis after the end of the war? Or on the other hand does that mean that some of these Daggers were ready before the end of the war?

Finally, going back to the information regarding the N Dagger N, it says that the Alliance had other experimental units for gathering data about Mirage Colloid. Does this means that there were other Blitz Gundams (and therefore probably more units of the other 4 EA Gundams also existed), or were other types of units used for gathering the data?

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Post by AmuroNT1 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:22 pm

Gelgoog Jager wrote:Finally, going back to the information regarding the N Dagger N, it says that the Alliance had other experimental units for gathering data about Mirage Colloid. Does this means that there were other Blitz Gundams (and therefore probably more units of the other 4 EA Gundams also existed), or were other types of units used for gathering the data?
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Post by DeltasTaii » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:33 pm

Gelgoog Jager wrote:A) Can also use physical machineguns rounds.
B) Is meant to look like the 105 Dagger's machiengun
C) Or the old mahcineguns are converted into beam weapons
D) Shares parts, construction, and form factor with the machinegun.

Think of in current firearms terms things like the AUG Para which uses a different barrel, bolt, magazines, and mechanism from the standard 5.56mm AUG or various far flung relatives of the AR-15 that are different internally but have the same shape, controls, and/or attachments as the M16/M4.

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