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[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 6 points7 points ago

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How long should I let it run? Would 1 week or until answers slow down (whatever comes first) be a good timeframe?

[–]derpy_lurkerDerpy Hooves 2 points3 points ago

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Probably just if it slows down, like only a couple answers a day.

[–]Oldchap226 0 points1 point ago

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I think this might be a good calculator: http://www.raosoft.com/samplesize.html

too tired... can't be sure X_X

edit: the stupid part is guessing what your distribution will be... but looking at this... ~1000 should cover all your bases. Judging from your last survey, this will be easy. As always in stats, the more the better!

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not the one who did the last survey.

And right now we have a bit over 300 responses.

[–]Oldchap226 0 points1 point ago

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cool

that should be good enough for a 95% confidence with a 5% margin of error. I'm sure you'll get more though.

[–]paranoidkiwieVinyl Scratch 1 point2 points ago

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Are you posting this elsewhere for more diverse polling?

[–]DarthSatoris 1 point2 points ago

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Oh please post on EQD, 4chan, and various image boards as well if they have off topic forums. :)

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I don't have accounts for any of that. Can someone else spread it?

[–]DarthSatoris 1 point2 points ago

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pretty sure image boards don't require users and you can just email EQD.

At least that's how I think they're getting news.

[–]Nuhvok01 0 points1 point ago

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4chan does not require any type of registration. You can email Seth at EQD and give a write up explaining your survey and what you are looking to find from it.

[–]Oldchap226 0 points1 point ago

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idk if it's too late, but if you can have a "where do you go for ponies?" or "Where did you find this survey" question. This will divide the populations and maybe show if some communities are more likely to pirate than others, etc.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, I'd rather not have everypony retake it...

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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EQD contacted.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Not yet. Where should I post it?

You're also free to share it.

[–]DarthSatoris 1 point2 points ago

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Just finished. I love small surveys like these.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks, I'm very curious about the answers. Mainly about how much people would pay and what price point would make the most money.

[–]niennaz 1 point2 points ago

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"Have you watched it?" No "Please rate it" But I haven't seeeennn ittt!

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 3 points4 points ago

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That's why some questions are optional. :)

[–]niennaz 0 points1 point ago

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Not those ones. They weren't squares. They were circles.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 1 point2 points ago

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It means you can't select many. You aren't forced to give an answer though.

[–]niennaz 0 points1 point ago

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THE FOUNDATIONS OF LIFE AS I KNEW IT HAVE BEEN DESTROYED!

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 1 point2 points ago

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No worries, I'll just ignore ratings from people who didn't watch it. :)

[–]steamruler 1 point2 points ago

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Male/Female/It's complicated.

For some reason I found that funny.

[–]Ectoplasmic_Paws 1 point2 points ago

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The first time I heard anything about this documentary was in that thread with the guy who lost his job. I was not at all surprised that this thing didn't go well. The only people whom I can fathom wanting to pay money to watch this documentary on "bronies" are the ones who kick started this, and the ones that wanted to kick start it but didn't have the cash at the time. Making this doc. was akin to making one about a neighborhood bowling team in Nebraska. (No sane person cares about Nebraska. Not since the war at least... ಠ╭╮ಠ Never forget the brave sacrifice of battalion five.) An average person does not care enough about the hobbies of some adults to pay money to watch them do that hobby. If they even felt a tinge of curiosity, they would Google that shit for free.

tl;dr - The documentary was doomed from the start due to the everyday persons lack of interest in adults buying all of the my little pony sleeping bags ToysЯUs has.

When I hit the save button, there will be no going back. I have steeled myself for the retaliation that will soon come in response. I have spoke my opinion. How many of you can say the same?

I felt it would be inappropriate if I didn't end with something melodramatic.

[–]Nuhvok01 4 points5 points ago

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It felt way too one-sided and did not really give an impartial view of us. It was all sunshine and Rainbow Dash. No drama, no darker elements of the fandom, and no acknowledgement to the existence to the part of the fandom that is not all touchy-feely Love and Tolerance. And who would pay for a documentary for themselves? I already know how I became a Brony and the fandom's roots.

[–]Rnway 3 points4 points ago

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[–]OliveBranchMLPVinyl Scratch -2 points-1 points ago

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I fail to see how this is relevant to the thread at hand.

Regardless, it's been argued half to death already.

From http://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/183swa/iam_nicholas_ha_i_just_found_out_today_on/

Why is the film so positive? Because from what I can tell, the producers saw almost nothing but positivity. It's hard to not be biased when all you're constantly exposed to is the good. They went to it, they saw it, they captured it, and they explained it. That's why the doc was so positive: because that's all they saw. Something unique, something amazing, something magical. Because BronyCon had a sense of spirit that John de Lancie had never felt at any other convention he had ever gone to. You guys see us explaining that positivity as a circlejerk. But to us, it was fact. Plain and simple. They truly believed it. You could see it in their eyes, in their devotion to making this film as good as they possibly could.

Late in the game, we were challenged with the notion that clop should be explored. I ask: Why? R34 is a minor part of EVERY fandom. It does not define those fandoms, and it certainly doesn't define ours. We wanted to cover the essence of bronyism; would you say R34 represents the essence of bronyism? It certainly doesn't represent me. I may not disagree with it, but I certainly don't associate myself with it.

Besides, bronies got more than enough negative coverage. The point of this doc is to offset the negative coverage, to compensate for it, and to reveal the real reason why we exist and who we are.

Also: To those who say "You charged for something that no non-brony will watch", documentaries are EDUCATIONAL. I had NO interest in the food industry, yet I bought Food, Inc. I had NO interest in the film rating system, yet I bought This Film Has Not Been Rated. You don't NEED to have an intrinsic understanding of a documentary's subject matter to buy a documentary on it. That's kind of the POINT.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 1 point2 points ago

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You don't NEED to have an intrinsic understanding of a documentary's subject matter to buy a documentary on it. That's kind of the POINT.

It need to at least be marketed in a way that peaks your curiosity or (as happened with My Little Pony itself), a few people have to discover it, rave about it and start the snowball effect.

But I really think that your biggest problem is your price point. It's more expensive than Louis C.K.'s show ($5) and more expensive than the average donation to Radiohead's pay-as-you-wish download of In Rainbows ($8). In fact, it compares to the price of theater and most of us hesitate before going because we aren't quite sure to get our money's worth.

Well... That's my hypothesis, I'll crunch the number with the survey's results to see what's the price point that makes the largest profit so stay tuned!

[–]rolin11Pinkie Pie 1 point2 points ago

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So don't bother answering if we already have?

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 4 points5 points ago

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Do answer, there's more choices (I added options people said were missing last time) and some more info like age (so we can see if pirates are mostly college aged or all across the board).

Also, you can pick who's Best Pony.

[–]WeGotOpportunity 1 point2 points ago

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You don't want to double-count the responses, that would be even worse statistics (the first issue it that this is a voluntary response survey).

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 6 points7 points ago

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I'm not going to mash both surveys together. Each stands on its own.

[–]Oldchap226 0 points1 point ago

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I can't really put my finger on it or cite anything, but I feel like multiple answers aren't good. Specially for questions like "How did you acquire the documentary?" Too many options spreads your data much too thin. You want to generalize in order to find some sort of correlation.

This question: Do you have any criticism of the documentary? is really badly done. There are way too many answers, and you won't really get any solid statistical data, because most people (like me) are too lazy and won't read through all the options. Maybe a couple of things will pop out, but this is very subjective and leaves it up to "chance."

Solid statistics that you will find for your population out of this survey will be:

age, gender, brony since, did you watch the documentary, and enthusiasm. You might be able to get good stuff out of the "If you watched it but didn't pay for it question," but the multiple choice thing might muddy the issue. Same thing for the "how did you acquire it." Maybe reword that to "watched it through legal means" and "pirated." (I know you could just group up similar answer, but what if a group intends to both pirate and purchase it. classifying them as "pirates" would be subjective at this point).

it's late, i might just be spouting bullshit. Maybe check with another brony that has majored in math or harder stats. either way, good luck!

edit: here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_hypothesis_testing) run one of these. Make sure to define you populations and hypothesis before starting it (good stats practice).

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I want to know if people bought and pirated it. That's why it's not mutually exclusive in the form.

[–]Oldchap226 0 points1 point ago

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oh man, then you get into the realm of not independent variables X_X

what kind of stat tests were you planning on running btw?

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I think I get your concern. I do not intend to simply show the number of votes for each item as if the questions were independent. I'm a programmer by trade so I have no problem with running computations on the results.

what kind of stat tests were you planning on running btw?

The one I'm most interested in is what would be the optimum price. My hypothesis is "pay-as-you-like" is best but I'll try all possible price points to see which one would work the best.

I want to check how much overlap there is between pirates and buyers. I want to see if there's a correlation with age (do we see a big spike in broke college aged students?). I want to know how many people would be unwilling to buy it at any price point, how many people pirated it but would buy it if it was cheaper, etc.

Also, it seems to me people read the list of grievances (it's mostly taken from the comments people wrote in the first survey) because lots of people check lots of them. I wonder if there's a correlation between any specific complaint and piracy.

I'd like to know how many people just didn't get around to watch it yet (many people didn't know about it before the drama broke out)

Edit: I also wanted to test if people truly didn't get they were expected to pay because it was on kickstarter (spoiler: it's an incredibly rare belief).

[–]bandgeekjim 0 points1 point ago

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I know I for one bought it, downloaded it, then torrented to get it faster.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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It will be properly accounted for.

[–]Kyderra 0 points1 point ago

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definitely could have gone more into the art.

I recall them asking on this sub what the deal was with Moe, but it never touched on any artists.

[–]Ectoplasmic_Paws -2 points-1 points ago

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[–]Castaras 0 points1 point ago

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Some people don't want to give a gender, some might not feel they fit in a binary gender, some people would put "it's complicated" because they're in the wrong body for their brain.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I didn't tally yet but at first glance it seems at least as popular an answer as female.

[–]Castaras 0 points1 point ago

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not entirely surprised to be honest. Reddit mostly seems to attract cis-guys. Trans* and girls look to be a smaller percentage, and about the same as each other.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I just did the computation by curiosity. Females outnumber gender ambiguous 8:1. So my initial impression was wrong.

Only two persons didn't answer (unlike age which is not answered by 64).

I have 379 answers so far.

[–]Castaras 0 points1 point ago

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Interesting. Thanks for the information. :)

[–]Ectoplasmic_Paws 0 points1 point ago

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I can understand picking that if you don't want to give your gender, due to the lack of a "prefer not to answer" answer (slowly tuns head to redalastor). Though for sake of accuracy, it doesn't matter if you would prefer to be a guy or gal. I'd prefer to be a Bengal tiger with a 40 foot shlong, but I still have to check the "are you a human" box on my tax forms.

[–]Castaras 0 points1 point ago

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It's not preference, that implies it's a choice. Many Trans* have a female brain in a male body, or vice versa. For all intents and purposes, they are female, because that is what their brain says - there have been tests on now deceased trans* that have proven this. It wouldn't matter if you had a penis or not, you'd still be whatever your brain tells you.

For "accuracy", you could ask for "Biological sex", but that isn't necessary for this sort of survey. What has relevance is what gender you are in your head.

[–]redalastorRainbow Dash[S] 0 points1 point ago

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If you prefer not to answer, you just don't pick anything. It's not a required question.
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