Wikinews talk:Credential verification

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Phone number [edit]

What is “+1-310-356-6217”. Are you then accredited by a voicemail number? --Blaite 12:51, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is the nmber to call to verify the credential's of a Wikinews user on this page. --Cspurrier 15:44, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

ID Numbers [edit]

Amgine, the ID numbers already appear on those member's Press Cards. They cannot be changed. NGerda 21:31, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

The ID numbers which should appear on Press Cards are as follows:

  1. Stafford, Brandon (Pingswept)
  2. Franklin, Alan J (Alan_J_Franklin - voluntary request to de-accredit)
  3. Gerda, Nicholas (NGerda)
  4. Spurrier, Craig (Cspurrier)
  5. Novak, Jake (MrMiscellanious)
  6. Koepke, Ross (RossKoepke)

ID numbers should not be re-used, to avoid possible identifying issues. - Amgine / talk 20:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Revised, they are now...
  1. Stafford, Brandon (Pingswept)
  2. Franklin, Alan J (Alan_J_Franklin - voluntary request to de-accredit)
  3. Gerda, Nicholas (NGerda)
  4. Spurrier, Craig (Cspurrier)
  5. Novak, Jake (MrMiscellanious)
  6. Koepke, Ross (RossKoepke)
  7. Moreau, Nicholas (Zanimum)

Credential links [edit]

I think it would be handy to include links to the accreditation policy and those pending accreditation, just for reference. --Mrmiscellanious 16:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Great idea. -- NGerda 16:47, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Changes to listing [edit]

Could my email just be transfered from nicholasmoreau((@))gmail.com to just plain nicholasmoreau@gmail.com. My spam filter's good, so it doesn't really matter if any more bots pick it up. Also, please add in that this is also my Google Talk account. Thx! -- user:zanimum

Done. --Chiacomo (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

can an admin update http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:CV#Stock.2C_Terin_.28Wikinews_user_Terinjokes.29 with the stuff from http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Terinjokes/ID_card

Thanks! terinjokes User Page / Talk 23:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Page protection [edit]

Could someone please change the Location listing for Brown, Ed so that it correctly reads: Prince George, Virginia, USA.

Also, if there is such a thing as a Press Pass, where does an accredited reporter find it? -Edbrown05 07:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You find it on your user page or an admin emails it to you. (I think). FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 14:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Messedrocker has a blank template, I've sent him a recent ID photo of myself and he sent me a beautiful press card... so you should be bothering him Smiley.png.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Accreditation [edit]

Is it possible to become accredited without having to make one's full name available on the Internet? Dev920 17:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes...but it is not a good idea. You get a press badge if you get voted in as accredited and it MUST have your full name printed on it as far as I know. It is possible, but I personally would not agree to an annymous user with credentials. DragonFire1024 17:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • As far as I'm concerned, accreditation cannot be given without revealing some details about your identity. That includes full name. You should end up with a press pass that has the same name on it as your driver's license. An accredited reporter using a false name would, in my opinion, be worse than what EssJay did. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
In some states it will also be considered fraud and that's a felony here. DragonFire1024 19:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
That may be the case in many other places too, but what should matter more than sticking to the law is getting the respect of your peers on the wiki. Being fairly honest about who you are is part of that. No? --Brian McNeil / talk 19:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking like the Arbitration Committee on Wikipedia, you can give your real name and details to whoever offline, but your name stays off the Internet. And I thought on WIkimedia you were judged by what you do, not who you are? Dev920 08:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

What you are is what you do. Either you stand by it, or you want to be some pseudonym that is accountable to what? Who is Dev920? HEY NOOOO BODY, how's that feel? Are you somebody? -Edbrown05 09:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Dev920 is a nobody. -Edbrown05 09:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Accreditation, unlike arbitration, is primarily used off-wiki - in the real world where screen-names are not common, to say the least. also, accredited reporters have to bear a certain responsibility for what they reports, and insisting on real names is one way of bringing that responsibiity home to those who seek accreditation. note that it is possible to do original reporting even without accreditation. and u can always take the help of an accredited member when you need it. –Doldrums(talk) 10:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Doldrums' remark is the most helpful on this (EdBrown05 takes some getting used to, but he doesn't mean to be nasty - he's just making a point a little cruelly). The point is that Accreditation is indeed for use in the real world. We don't have a requirement for real names for our Arbitration committee, the activity of that takes place entirely online and the candidates have been elected based on their online contributions. However, accreditation is - as stated - for use in the real world. It needs your real name as you can't turn up for an event and expect admission as Dev920. I'd go as far as saying that accredited reporters should all have an email address that identifies their real name posted on their talk page. I can be contacted on a variety of email addresses, and I don't have any which use a pseudonym associated with here. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This is somewhat irrelevant anyway, as everything I have seen on Wikinews so far had already turned me right off. You treat everyone who comes over from other projects with extreme hostility, are arrogant and aloof about Wikinews, despite the fact that no-one, including most Wikimedia projects, pays attention to you, and tolerate incivility in your administrators (Ed would have been reprimanded on Wikipedia for his nastiness, not have it dismissed as "Oh, that Ed, what is he like?" That, more than anything, tells me what Wikinews is like). Your project will fail miserably until you get your act together and start being civil to people who join you. I wasn't planning on doing much here, anyway, but your attitude towards people like DavidShankbone only hurts your cause and makes you look stupid in the eyes of the people who do bother to visit here. 82.34.242.138 21:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
When members from other projects come over, we treat them as nicely as we can, although we already have a lot of accredited reporters. Wikinewsies requesting accredidation will need to write a story about that, and we don't want to have to delete it for not following policy. For example, if Wikinews would give accredidation to John13 from Wikipedia, who feels that no original research should be included on Wikinews, it might be pointless to give him accredidation, since accredidation is original research.  Thunderhead  ►  21:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think wikimedians fully appreciate that wikinewsies work toward the goal of original news gathering. Acadamia stuff, which forms most of wikimedia content, is not what news is about. The challenge is to guard against hoax reports, and yet remain receptive. If that makes wikinews rude, then pardon yourself when your introduction to a news source is prefaced with, "I'm 82.34.242.138." -76.104.104.187 07:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
"You treat everyone who comes over from other projects with extreme hostility" ? I was welcomed nicely and decided to stay, eventually spending most of my time here, instead of Wikipedia, which I find less friendly.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm with Stevenfruitsmaak on this one, we are welcoming when you come in by the front door and say "Hey! I wanna write news". In those circumstances the red carpet will be laid out for you and people will do their best to help see your contributions published. If you say "Hey! I want credentials, but can't adequately say how I'll contribute to your wiki" then you should expect a response like Ed's. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Totally agree with "Steven" and Brianmc. I came here as an imigrant from Wikipedia and I decided to stay here because everyone was very nice. I don't even make contributations on Wikipedia anymore as they are less friendly. 82.34.242.138, who probably is DavidShankbone, you don't feel welcome here because you exept the credentials right away. Editors that are humble and try their best to edit here will reciveve the credentials a lot faster. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 14:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Inactive accredited reporters [edit]

First and foremost, can someone help clean up the list of active/inactive accredited reporters? If any of the people who are accredited and inactive have the AR template on their user or talk page I also think that should be removed.

Moving on from that to emails, as anyone who has emailed scoop recently will have discovered there are several people who aren't checking their Wikinewsie emails. For the last couple of emails I've sent to the list I got bounces from the following addresses:

  • frankie.roberto
  • kat.walsh
  • sean.heron
  • robert.lehrer

All these are @wikinewsie.org

How do people feel this should be dealt with? And, perhaps more importantly, how should we deal with those who are long-term inactive? Should we perhaps amend the accreditation policy to automatically de-accredit after a prolonged period of inactivity? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with de-accreditation. this is one place where inactivity leading to automatic loss of rights makes sense imho. However there's also some other issues. For example some of these people are active elsewhere in Wikimedia. For some of them, that was a given at accreditation time (GMaxwell was always a commoner first, some were from other languages). However some people were active at Wikinews then moved to other projects (like MessedRocker or Mindspillage). I'm uncertain how we should handle those. Bawolff 22:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't recall moving on to another project. You're welcome to rescind my credentials at any time, by the way. Also keep in mind my independent reconfirmation program in which I e-mailed each credentialed newsie and asked them if they still wanted their credentials. Those who say yes can be recalled by the community at any time, and those who say no (and those who don't respond by August 5, as the e-mail stipulates) will just have their credentials removed. MessedRocker (talk) 21:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I just haven't seen you around lately (and the whole resignation message thing...). Anyways, good to see you around. I think your reconfirm program is the way to go by the way. Bawolff 10:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Category addition [edit]

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"Category:Accreditation|Credential verification" should be added. Van der Hoorn (talk) 17:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Done --SVTCobra 21:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Ooops! [edit]

Methinks I've given out some wikinewsie email addresses and not listed people here. :S --Brian McNeil / talk 23:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Although I received accreditation after you have posted your message, I think I'm one of them. Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talk) 17:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Can you add me please? [edit]

{{editprotected}} Can you add me please-name: Tristan Thomas, contact info: wikinewsie email address, areas of coverage: all really. Cheers!   Tris   13:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

This was already done by Brian McNeil. --SVTCobra 22:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Email/contact details change [edit]

{{editprotected}} Could someone change my email address in the Contact Details bit to patrick.gillett@firstxvnews.com.au --RockerballAustralia (talk) 06:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Done--Brian McNeil / talk 08:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Please Re-Add [edit]

Wettach, Wolfgang G. (Wikinews user Gwyndon) [edit]

Location: Tuebingen, Germany
Areas of interest: EU, politics, literature, religion (see user page)
Contact information: AIM: Gwyndon, Skype: PeliCorn, Phone Voicebox: (US) 1-267-316-7537, (DE) 03212-9388224,.
More information: Wikinews user page | Contact reporter via Talk Page | Browse recent activity | Email this user
Accredited User No.: 3900

Received accreditation: 07:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Is there any particular reason I'm not on this list? [edit]

I'm sure I'm accredited, aren't I? Because I'm definitely not on this page... Dendodge T\C 00:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Please add [edit]

{{editprotected}}

Grez, Diego (Wikinews user Diego Grez) [edit]

Location: O'Higgins Region, Chile
Areas of coverage include: Chile, Computing, Earthquakes
Contact information:
More information: Wikinews user page | Contact reporter via Talk Page | Browse recent activity | Email this user
Accredited Reporter No.: 180829
Accreditation Expires: Unknown

Received accreditation on: 03:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

--Diego Grez let's talk 15:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Done Pmlineditor discuss 08:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
{{editprotected}} Oh. Could O'Higgins Region be replaced with Pichilemu? :p --Diego Grez let's talk 03:39, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Done --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 06:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

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Cotterell, Soleil (Wikinews user Bobby122) [edit]

Location: Kingston, Jamaica
Areas of coverage include: Disasters and Accidents, Meteorology, Crime and Law and Health
Contact information:
More information: Wikinews user page | Contact reporter via Talk Page | Browse recent activity | Email this user
Accredited Reporter No.: 219448
Accreditation Expires: Unknown

Received accreditation on: 18:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


Saturn, William (Wikinews user William S. Saturn) [edit]

Location: Texas, United States
Areas of coverage include: Politics
Contact information:
More information: Wikinews user page | Contact reporter via Talk Page | Browse recent activity | Email this user
Accredited Reporter No.: 21437
Accreditation Expires: Unknown

Received accreditation on: 00:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Help [edit]

I apologize for my bad English and if this request for help does not correspond to this section: In Spanish we are writing Wikinews Reporters policy Borrowers, however, we need help at some points such as: "Having a local chapter of the Foundation Wikimedia in the country where the user will be credited" and "Not having blocks in force in any of the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, under the user name or any puppet named." Given that this version of Wikinews is already in use, effective and remarkable success this feature request a little help in the Spanish version. Using common sense can not yet vote on policy to the community because we have these outstanding issues, so he appreciates the help and if anyone wants to can go to the talk page of "politics" in the Spanish version . Thanks in advance :) leave the link Wikinoticias Discusión:Acreditación de reporteros --MadriCR (talk) 03:09, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Um, honestly MadriCR, those rules are moronic. I lol'd at the [sock]puppets one, I'm not ever going to ask for accreditation there, I don't see the point, since I have been the only "sockpuppeeter" who has ever touched the Wikinoticias' interface and has done anything productive on it. Anyway, I posted like two months ago a suggestion there but nobody ever responded, so... Diego Grez return fire 15:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request [edit]

{{editprotected}} Hi, could someone remove the wikinewsie.org email from my contact details as I no longer use it. the wub "?!" 18:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Done --InfantGorilla (talk) 15:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Rklawton [edit]

I'd prefer to be on the active list. I'm a photographer and available in the St. Louis area to help illustrate stories. The problem is: I've received no requests from Wikinewsies. Also - it would help considerably if we had some sort of documentation we could carry with us like normal journalists. It's hard to get areas closed off to all but media (though I've had occasional success) when everyone else has ID and I don't. Disaster areas, for example, are closed due to fears of looting - but they aren't closed to photojournalists who authorities often view has helping get the word out. Anyone with thoughts or suggestions please share them or at least point me in the right direction. Rklawton (talk) 04:08, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Moved. — μchip08 10:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Credible ID costs. However, I've had reasonable success with a batch of business cards I had printed up. As to getting collab. requests,... Are there any other reporters in your area? --Brian McNeil / talk 07:57, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Full mailboxes [edit]

The following people have full wikinewsie.org mailboxes and are generating bounce messages.

Peter Coombe
Soleil Cotterell
Peter Coti
Jonathan-Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov

I know Jon is supposed to be taken off scoop. I'll remove the rest in two weeks if not resolved by contacting me for a password reset, or cleaning out their mailboxes and confirming that's done. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleared out my mailbox. the wub "?!" 02:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Borked [edit]

Page is hopelessly broken; edit links take you to a totally different page in another namespace. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 15:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I see why it's happening. I think the cleanest fix is to split the current {{cred}} template into two stages, an outer stage meant to be subst'd and an inner stage that hides most of the messy markup. Akin to the two-stage arrangement of {{aband}} and {{abandoned}}. --Pi zero (talk) 16:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
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