TV Tropes Org

Forums

Deadlock Clock: 27th May '12 11:59 PM
search forum titles
google site search
Total posts: [29]  1
2

Unclear Description: Badass Native get usage counts

Well, I do. And I can't think of anything better in regards to moving away from snowclones.

 27 Star Valkyrie, Mon, 17th Sep '12 5:36:13 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Here's some problems I see with the description as it is...

So this trope about an individual character who is badass and tribal, right? If I wanted to figure out if a particular character qualified, the indicators would be what —- that they kick a lot of ass and that they display their tribal identity by 1)mentioning in universe that they grew up in the tribe/on the reservation, 2)talking a lot about the culture or 3)wearing the costume? If the story isn't set on Earth and doesn't have clear analogous cultures to ours, how do we tell if a fictional culture is "native" - should they come from a Proud Warrior Race or are we looking for other stereotypical clues like "ethnic" costumery and shamanic/animist religion?

And are we sure this only applies to the narrowly defined examples in the description? What about the Martial Races defined by the British Empire —- like the Gurkhas? It sounds from the current trope description about traditions of war that this is exactly what the British were trying to invoke. What about the mythic Scottish Highlanders - the WW1 Germans had stories about their terrifying badassery in battle... which they went into wearing kilts? Do these sorts of examples qualify and if not, what identifying traits could we mention in the description to help differentiate between these cultural types when dealing with entirely fictional cultures?

Also, is it really Always Male? There's already one female example in the Real Life section.

There's also still a big problem with examples - lots of Zero Content and some that may be misuse (like the Sioux as Aryans example). I can't be much help with that though since I'm not familiar with most of the zero contents but I'd be happy to work on the description, if I can make sure I understand the trope first.

edited 17th Sep '12 5:42:17 PM by StarValkyrie

 28 Septimus Heap, Tue, 15th Jan '13 1:18:53 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think the indicator would be that you are a stereotypically native group. I think it can also be expanded to Tough Natives in general.

Also bumping this, in order to get it resolved.

 29 lu 127, Thu, 24th Jan '13 10:24:43 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
In hindsight, TRS'ing the various badass tropes separately isn't working. We should use the general badass thread, like we use the appearance thread. Locking this.
小さく揺れた向日葵
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.
Total posts: 29
 1
2


TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1332075999003650100&page=2
tvtropes.org
crawl=CC-MAIN-2014-41
23512
application/http; msgtype=response
sha1:XGQW6HOFWTNG3G4LL4L3GNZR56NDVBJH
<urn:uuid:d35a76dd-c7ee-40e1-a6ef-9a7dd1bc8583>
2014-09-21T03:19:18Z
216.151.212.103
sha1:NG5XX7EJOMWOONEPTYQNOTXGNSTESXXT
<urn:uuid:053057bd-b6f7-44d9-a267-22dd4c87bae2>
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1332075999003650100&page=2
response
<urn:uuid:f3895171-636f-4964-a0cb-1ec544443c59>
robots: classic
hostname: ip-10-234-18-248.ec2.internal
software: Nutch 1.6 (CC)/CC WarcExport 1.0
isPartOf: CC-MAIN-2014-41
operator: CommonCrawl Admin
description: Wide crawl of the web with URLs provided by Blekko for September 2014
publisher: CommonCrawl
format: WARC File Format 1.0
conformsTo: http://bibnum.bnf.fr/WARC/WARC_ISO_28500_version1_latestdraft.pdf