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[–]Here_For_Now123twitch.tv/corklops Affiliate 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Can we have something in writing against all the pseudo-self-advertising posts like "I just got affiliated last night and x happened!" "I just got affiliated after streaming for 3 weeks/months/years" etc. and similar? I feel like it's nearly all I see in this subreddit.

Also, I'll never use new reddit so long as old reddit exists. I've tried and it's just so ... bad. I think the influx of people using new reddit is only because people don't know you can replace "www" with "old" in the URL to get a 100% better user experience.

[–]oDIVINEWRAITHoSubreddit Moderator[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

To reiterate on what Z said, this type of thread has already existed in the past, but it's getting a rebranding. If I had to guess, I'd say only a fraction of the experience posts that get posted make it past automod or the moderation team. Please report rule breaking posts when you see them. That's the best way to bring them to the moderation team's attention.

I do want to add that the people who do not like the "I just got affiliate or experience threads" are in the minority (by a BIG % difference, it's literally not even close.), according to this survey. It's important to understand that you are not the only people on this subreddit; there's nearly 700k members of this community (That's literally over 10 professional football stadiums with every seat filled) and the vast majority of them like these posts. The members who don't like them seem to be the most vocal or negative on this subreddit. They seem to assume the intent of everyone sharing an experience is self promotion; that's like saying the intent of everyone driving is to speed. I've discussed it in the past, understanding someone's intent is not an easy thing to do, but it is extremely easy to guess someone's intent and be wrong.

With that said, we do not have plans to make these threads acceptable as posts anytime soon. It would become very redundant like many topics that are forwarded to community event thread.

Again, if you see something that breaks the subreddit rules, please take the time to report it.

Thank you for the feedback!

[–]Here_For_Now123twitch.tv/corklops Affiliate 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm not saying this is what's going on, just adding this as a "food for thought" kind of question. Is it possible that survivorship bias or something similar is playing a role in the poll results? For example, I for one have never voted on any of the polls, but I also do not enjoy the constant posts I outlined and the frequent self advertising hidden in many of those posts. Is it possible that a large portion of the people with similar views to mine are also just not voting on polls? Perhaps people with a negative opinion just choose not to share it as often as people with positive ones.

Either way I think what's outlined in the OP is for the most part all a step in the right direction. I'm a little curious how the "Stream Team" will play out and hope it doesn't just become a zerg of people trying to get in for follow-4-follow type content, but I'll stay optimistic and wait to see how that plays out.

[–]oDIVINEWRAITHoSubreddit Moderator[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not impossible. The problem is that the same argument could be made about any of the results. Instead of assuming a survivorship bias, we are focusing on the data that we do have. I want to stress, I wasn't pointing this out for any reason other than to show that people have different opinions; not everyone is going to agree on the same topic, there is a great number of people on this subreddit, and it's not going to be possible to 100% please everyone.

The stream team will have a set of guidelines and there will be an application process. We are not interested in follow for follow, or anything similair. Unfortunately, that's all the info I can share on the topic at the moment, because that all I have. We really wanted to see what the community thought about this, before we started putting time and effort into it.

[–]ZcotticusZcottic.us 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"I just got affiliated last night and x happened!" "I just got affiliated after streaming for 3 weeks/months/years"

The survey showed that the majority of people like these posts, however it's also probably the post type we get the most actual feedback on overall that people don't like. We're still navigating this and the Stream Experiences & Stories Thread mentioned in the post should bring these to one place.

There will be ongoing evaluation of this topic and the thread.

[–]Here_For_Now123twitch.tv/corklops Affiliate 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a good plan to me. Having one "I got affiliated" type of megathread would likely cut down on the flood of those types of posts while still allowing people to share their experiences. I get it, people are excited, but I feel like it's nearly all I ever see posted here.

[–]IBlank7 4 points5 points  (2 children)

A common thing I see around here are help posts that don't include stuff like PC specs, OBS settings, internet speeds, audio equipment, or other relevant info depending on their issues.

I know some people aren't the most tech savvy so I'm wondering if we can add a link to some sort of template of stuff to include to the submission guidelines. That way /new could be cleaned up a bit if they didn't post specs, and people could hopefully get their help sooner than they would if they didn't post relevant info and have to wait for someone to ask them.

[–]oDIVINEWRAITHoSubreddit Moderator[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hey,

Sorry I missed this response. Reddit inbox has been immense lately.

Generally we try to remove posts that do not include relevant information within them. We've had a template for tech support posts, but we removed it because people were butchering it. We did introduce a new wiki page for High quality posts.

Thank you for the feedback.

Edit: grammar

[–]IBlank7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries, thanks for the heads up! I’m sure there’s a lot going on especially with the increased traffic.

[–]TheAcenomadtwitch.tv/acenomad 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I certainly agree with the sentiment that there's a lot of humblebragging and pseudo-advertising on the front page.

Sad to hear about Purple+, while I did have a profile I don't think I ever used it to it's fullest extent. I appreciated that it was around, especially since initiatives like it are solely community-run efforts.

I vehemently dislike 'new' reddit, two of my go-to extensions on a new FF install is 'Old reddit redirector' and RES.

Overall I very much appreciate the work r/Twitch mods put in. It's obvious there's a solid moderation base here :)

[–]oDIVINEWRAITHoSubreddit Moderator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey,

We talked a lot about your first paragraph in the above comments.

Purple+ will be missed, forsure.

Like you, I prefer old reddit. According to the traffic stats that we have, the majority of user's use new reddit. It does have some nice features that aren't possible with old reddit. Such as including tweets on a side bar. I can see New Reddit being the successor in the future.

Thank you for the feedback!

[–]Gamereflection 2 points3 points  (1 child)

State of the Subreddit:

"Welcome to /r/twitch, the place for all the lazy people who dont want to put in the "effort" and google stuff"

There must be a way to stop this low quality post.

Just some examples:

"How to create a overlay?"

"Where to get free overlays?"

"How much upload do i need?"

You get the point....

Btw i got a video from one of those people here

[–]oDIVINEWRAITHoSubreddit Moderator[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gamereflection,

Please keep posts and comments constructive on this subreddit. Not a single example that you posted above is permitted per the rules of this subreddit, if it's a low quality post & doesn't have unique information in it.

We remove a great number of rule breaking post on this subreddit that the community will never see and a great deal more that do make it past automod.

If you see something that breaks the subreddit rules, please report it.

[–]KuhjaKnighttwitch.tv/kuhjaknight 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I am going to be super lame and quote out the sections I responded to. Ha. This was a good read, though!


Purple+

I didn’t really get a chance to utilize this feature because I just found out about it recently and had to wait for my profile to be approved and then realized I needed to change it, again. Lol. I’m sure lots of people had good success with it.

Sad to see it go, but glad it happened for those it helped!


/r/Twitch Twitch Stream Team

No comments here


/r/Twitch Moderators

One New Moderator Joined the Team

/u/draco1200

Congratulations and looking forward to the work you do!

Retired Moderators

/u/SaaiTV

/u/LiamOLaoghaire

So long and thanks for all the fish!!!!


Community Helpers

One New Community Helper Joined The Team

/u/vicky135246

Congratulations to /u/vicky135246. She definitely is active here and helps a lot. She’s been a blast to talk to love, too.


Subreddit Wiki

Nothing to add to this. Good stuff!


Community Events Moving the events to a Friday is a good idea. The majority of the people work M-F and will have the weekend to participate. I like this change!


New Reddit and Old Reddit

I have no idea what the differences are. I use the official Reddit iPhone app. But, if the changes help drive the community forward, let’s do it. Change can be hard, but it usually good!


Regarding Repetitive / Commonly Discussed Topics.

When things change, I think we all expect an influx of questions and that is fine. I think the problem comes in with the number of posts about: - Can people say racist things and I get in trouble? - Can I play copyright music on stream? I would be willing to write up a good Q&A for the betterment of the community that answers these questions. Then we can refer the posters to it and/or copypasta the post!


YouTube / Blog Guideposts Policy

Good information. Hopefully people will refer to the updates and changes before posting and/or commenting!


Third Party Advertisements

Nothing really to add here


Results from the recent survey and the clips survey

This is always good to see. It’s interesting to see what the community values and will always help everyone develop better!

[–]oDIVINEWRAITHoSubreddit Moderator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey,

We already remove a LOT of threads that break rule 4. If we don't count rule 2 violations, we definitely have more rule 4 violations than anything. It is important to search before posting, and we do our best to remove duplicate posts at any given time. A good example of that from recently is: cannot connect Twitch to Riot. We're removed a ton of these recently from people who aren't taking the time to search before posting.

The thing about a Q&A is people who don't search before posting commonly asked questions, aren't going to take the time to find and read a community Q&A.

We are working on something similair to have stuck to the top of the subreddit in the upcoming weeks.

Thank you for the feedback!

[–]TheDarkestShadotwitch.tv/TheDarkestShado 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Now that there’s such a strong amount of people who don’t want people advertising, are the mods doing something about it?

I subbed when I was in the early days of trying to figure stuff out for streaming and thought this would be a great place to go for advice, general twitch stuff, or changes to the site, but 90% of the posts I see on my front page are actually veiled advertisements for a stream. I know now that I can speak for a decent few in saying that it’s ruining this sub and it’s cancelling the upsides of being here.

[–]ZcotticusZcottic.us 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You see it as veiled advertisements, many other users see it as people sharing their experiences and the majority of people taking the survey liked these kinds of posts. I've responded in more depth about what we're doing in response to another comment.

[–]TheDarkestShadotwitch.tv/TheDarkestShado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, alright thanks

[–]TheBlueEagleTwitch.tv/Blu3Eagle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. So many times I see a post here and it's just clearly a thinly veiled advertisement for people to come to their streams. I guess if the community as a whole likes these types of posts, then that's fine, but people are gullible if they say they don't like ads, yet don't realize these types of posts are ads themselves.

[–]Balancer92_TTVtwitch.tv/balancer92 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I thought Purple+ was a neat idea, but yeah overall it didn't catch on.

I definitely feel that there are a LOT of new posters with repetitive tech issues. I understand plenty of more experienced people enjoy helping out with that, but it wouldn't hurt to have a sticky for these posts. Then we could remove any new posts with a message directing the user to the sticky. These posts often hover around 0-2 votes, so it's pretty clear that they aren't the reason people come here.

[–]ZcotticusZcottic.us 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We remove WAY more than you see, but I've also been working on a solution to this that we should be implementing in the near future. BE sure to report any thread you think may be rulebreaking, posts about well-covered tech issues come under that umbrella!
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