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How big is textboards/imageboards in japan?
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Unlike 4chan, they seem to have this internet culture where everyone may use an bulletin board to just anonymously discuss various things or use an imageboard to just post images anonymously, and have more users than western boards.
(;´Д`)
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Considering Japan only has liek 125 million of population, numbers there are impressive.
I sometimes wonder if they would be bigger in the west if not for the terrible reputaton of 4chan. But then 2ch didn't have the best reputation either...
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Japanese bulletin boards are significantly less popular than they were during their heyday of the late 90s - 00s, and most Japanese web users have opted to use SNS sites instead for the past decade or so. Bulletin boards are generally considered old-fashioned or "nostalgic", and imageboards in particular are often said to be the realm of "Showa ojisan" - middle-aged people who are now in their 40s and 50s. Sites like these have been gradually depopulating and dying off for a long time now, and site closures are sadly a regular occurance (;´Д`)

There's been many legal factors impacting them too - over the past 20 or so years, Japan has outlawed many forms of speech and imagery online, implemented heavy-handed protections of copyright, and made site owners responsible for the contents and links posted by users. This has caused the closure of hundreds (if not thousands) of bulletin boards and other Japanese sites that were once thriving, either due to the site owners getting scared of potential repercussions, or having actually faced them (;´Д`)

Regarding Japanese vs Western bulletin boards, only 5ch receives more posts per day than 4chan (roughly double). If you include bulletin board sites that require registration, then Reddit surpasses 5ch in size and activity by about 3x, and the Western landscape is larger overall
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well we actually need a website hosted in a place that does not give a damn about copyright issues in a lawless territory in our planet. like a pirate website in a pirate country
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>imageboards in particular are often said to be the realm of "Showa ojisan" - middle-aged people who are now in their 40s and 50s
I am not very sure if this is accurate. I once read some Japanese guys talking about how most textboard (or imageboard? probably doesn't really matter) users in Japan were very young. We need a well-versed Japanese guy's opinion on this (;´Д`)
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>I am not very sure if this is accurate. I once read some Japanese guys talking about how most textboard (or imageboard? probably doesn't really matter) users in Japan were very young
It is accurate, and the distinction does matter - Japanese imageboards haven't seen any major influx in users since the mid-00s, and they're a rapidly dying breed

"Textboards" (THEY'RE JUST FREAKIN BULLETIN BOARDS!!!11) are a similar story except for certain 5ch boards and their spinoffs where many of the users are teenage idiots, and most of the older users have moved to smaller boards or moved on entirely (kinda like 4chan)
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>>1470
>THEY'RE JUST FREAKIN BULLETIN BOARDS
So are PHPBB forums. The term's too general for this discussion.
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>So are PHPBB forums.
That's the point - look past the registration requirements and extra fluff, and they're the same thing at their core. Any perceived differences in culture or usage between Western bulletin boards and Japanese bulletin boards either has nothing to do with the format (the differences would still be present even when comparing Western 2ch-type boards VS Japanese registration-based boards), only applies to a select few specific sites/communities (and therefore has nothing to do with the format itself), or is entirely imagined

>The term's too general for this discussion
More general than "textboard", which is about as nondescript and redundant as you could possibly get!? I could textwrite a whole textessay about how dumb it is!

The push for "textboard" was manufactured around the late 00s-early 10s by wiki-abusing idiots from 4chan who had only ever known imageboards, but had read/misinterpreted a few of Shii's writings and deemed themselves experts on the matter (the irony is that even Shii called them "2ch-type forums" and "anonymous bulletin boards", and 4chan referred to its own 2ch-type boards as "discussion boards"). Things were made worse by crappy "journalists" and book authors using those same wiki pages as sources to write about "the origins of 4chan", and now those articles/books get treated as sources themselves -_-

The problem is that "textboard" hardly describes any Japanese board that actually exists - even 5ch supports image/oekaki uploads in some capacity, and you'll see those images (as well as tons of embedded images/videos) if you use a proper 5ch browser like the users do. Such a browser isn't even needed for many 5ch spinoffs and other similar sites, as they support automatic embedding and image uploads natively

If you want to specify that you're not talking about Western boards or registration-based forums (á la PHPBB, vBulletin, UBB, etc.), all you have to do is put "Japanese" or "anonymous" in front of "bulletin board", and you'll perfectly describe and encapsulate what it is we're talking about. If you want to refer to 2ch-type boards specifically, just call them 2ch-type boards, cuz that's what they are!
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>Regarding Japanese vs Western bulletin boards, only 5ch receives more posts per day than 4chan (roughly double). If you include bulletin board sites that require registration, then Reddit surpasses 5ch in size and activity by about 3x, and the Western landscape is larger overall
I remember the days when this was unimaginable.
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>I remember the days when this was unimaginable.
Putting the mass centralization of the web aside, 2ch's relevance declined massively during the 2010s (particularly over the last 5 years or so) to the point where many now consider it a relic of the past

Many of the older and more talented/celebrated former users moved to sites like Twitter fulltime, younger people go to Twitter by default, and the users who have no talent except for being retards and assholes are all that remains

The whole Jim Watkins takeover/name change to 5ch probably did the most damage (it's said that many former 2ch users don't even realize that 5ch exists), and now the site is just a decaying shell of its former self. Sasuga Jim Watkins!
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>>1467
>SNS sites
such as?

>>1470
>and they're a rapidly dying breed
Last growth spurt of western ibs are from people escaping social media purges over 6 years ago. Current userbase is basically people who get banned on Twitter. Even Reddit is becoming a "banned from social media" site.

I'd ask, are the young 5chers there for a similar reason?

Also

>but had read/misinterpreted a few of Shii's writings and deemed themselves experts on the matter (the irony is that even Shii called them "2ch-type forums" and "anonymous bulletin boards", and 4chan referred to its own 2ch-type boards as "discussion boards").
Ah, yes, 4chan old guard autism. Where's that screenshot of moot getting his panties in a twist because people said autosage instead of bump limit

Arguments over definitions are stupid when all terms used itt are colloquial and vary per culture and generation. 2ch-type forum has as much weight as textboard. If you are gonna be that technical, then you'll up saying shit like "bump-based threaded open forum".

The definition was always cultural. ib vs textboard vs forum in english net speak refer to specific aesthetics and types of content expected.

Wanna argue "but there were forums where cliques and mod ciclejerking wasn't a thing", well yes. but they were minuscule and weren't part of the near monopoly in internet culture forums like SA had. Japan had the same deal. most open forums were like 2ch in posting patterns. 2chan WAS different from 2ch and textboards were coined to reflect expected 2ch culture. NEWS4VIP vs. OS-tans. normie jap discussion vs. otaku-centric circlejerks

OP is asking how are these aesthetics faring. And sadly the answer leans towards "dead or full of schizos"

>push
calling it a push is foolish. the term arose organically because we had no single noun that could do the dual job of describe+identify them.

>but had read/misinterpreted a few of Shii's writings
nobody read shii.
nobody should read shii.
fat fuck wrote 10k words mythifying japanese shitposts into some grandiose philosophy when nobody in Japan gave a single fuck and merely used anonymity to escape shit like defamation lawsuits.

But some people did buy into that "chan culture is the saviour of the western eculture" myth.

And our idea of textboards was 90% informed by 4-ch and VIP QUALITY.
don't know what that is?
the fuck you are doing here? ヽ(`Д´)ノ
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>>1527
>The whole Jim Watkins takeover
The whole affair was fucking surreal.
What happened to the 2 4 and 8 ownership was a divinely ordained joke.


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