Comments on: Barry Eisler on NPR: ‘Publishing is a Business Not an Ideology’ http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/ News, Politics, Culture, Art, Style, Real Estate, Movie Reviews, TV recaps Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:18:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: bumper stickers http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8146 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 06:20:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8146  I recently came across your article and have been reading along.

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By: nickb http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8144 Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:34:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8144 Have to say, not being familiar with Mr. Eisler’s work, his response to this story comes across as better researched and — more importantly — more convincing than the original post. If his writing is as persuasive, I may just pick up a copy of his latest work.

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By: M Zornado http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8143 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 22:46:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8143 I wish everyone had the skill for debunking misunderstandings quite so eloquently.~ Namaste

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By: Passive Guy http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8142 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:27:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8142 Sorry, Emily, you lose.

It wasn’t even much of a contest.

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By: Paul William Tenny http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8141 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:05:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8141 Amazon won’t be able to change the terms of contracts it has already signed, so that will only be an issue (if it ever is) for future negotiations. If Amazon does pull something like that, Barry and everyone else will be free to do what they did to arrive at Amazon in the first place: take their business elsewhere.

Moreover, the Kindle isn’t the only ereader and Amazon isn’t the only digital bookstore. If Amazon false into the traps of legacy publishing, their competitors are going to look at what Amazon did to succeed and do *that* while Amazon falls on its face, just like legacy publishing is falling on its face right now because of its poor choices.

But I don’t think Amazon will do that. It’s not in their best interests to alienate authors the way legacy publishing has because eventually, someone else will come along and give authors (and by extension, their readers) exactly what they want.

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By: Paolo Bailey http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8140 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:59:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8140 Has it occurred to you that once Amazon become the dominant force in publishing they will be in a position to charge what they like for books and pay you, the author what they like? It is the imperative of every business to push for a monopolistic position in the market. Amazon is no different. They are more successful at it because they beguile people like Barry Eisler and the commentators here into thinking that their drive for price cutting is an altruistic offer. It is not.

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By: Marilyn Peake http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8139 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:53:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8139 Barry, I love how informed you are about the publishing industry and how it really works. Kudos to you for your very informed comment! 

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By: Billie Hinton http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8138 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 00:26:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8138 Love your response. Every point nailed, imo.

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By: Geoffrey Young Haney http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8137 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 00:07:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8137 And that’s why I love Barry – he sees everything and beats everyone to commenting on it, lol. A larger question here is can’t a single person just write an article without spin? No one needs a journalistic aside or comment. [“(to which we add, readers who buy e-books exclusively through Amazon.)”] Is that necessary? If you’ve already made up your mind about self-publishing, the scourge of Amazon, and the hypocrite Eisler (note my sarcasm on the last two) than why bother writing up anything at all? You certainly didn’t bother to speak with him yourself. I guess every article these days needs to be filed in the “opinion” section. Eisler, Konrath, etc can be polarizing figures in this new self-pub/Amazon pub/legacy pub landscape and debate, but if you personally have a dog in the fight (your comments make it sound that way), maybe share that or just keep the opinion out. You can address the debate or the flare-up when these self-pub heroes sign back on with a big-time publisher (or directly with Amazon.) That’s legit. What isn’t is two slanted parenthetical statements in an article that’s four paragraphs long.

Of course, this comment is just my opinion…

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By: Barry Eisler http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8145 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:23:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8145 Hi Emily, thanks for covering my interview with NPR this morning.
 Here are a few thoughts in response.
 

You describe me as a “self-publishing advocate turned Amazon
publishing advocate.”

 

This kind of either/or logical fallacy reflex is common in
publishing right now, but if you pause to think about it, why wouldn’t I be an
advocate of both?  I have self-published works that were a joy to write
and publish, that were selling well even before I decided to publish The
Detachment with Amazon, and that, as a result of Amazon’s marketing efforts,
are now doing even better.  So it’s not hard to understand why in fact I’m
both a self-publishing advocate and an Amazon publishing advocate.  For
more, have a look at my (free) self-published book, “Be The Monkey: A
Conversation About The New World Of Publishing,” co-authored with novelist
Joe Konrath.  It’s too late to use it for basic research or fact-checking,
but I think you might still enjoy it.

 

http://www.barryeisler.com/ebooks.php#monkey

 

You say I arrived at my realization about how publishers put their
own interests ahead of the wider good “somewhat belatedly, after
putting everybody through the hassle of lining up a book deal for him.”

 

That’s one way to look at it, and it certainly might have been kind
of the people involved to put themselves through so much hassle just for me.
 Another way of looking at it, though, would be to note that St. Martin’s
took almost four months following our discussion of high-level deal points to
get me a draft contract.  As you know, during those months, the publishing
industry continued to change with astonishing speed, with Amazon coming to sell
more digital books than paper, and more and more brick and mortar stores
closing.  When the draft contract finally arrived, it contained provisions
that might have been acceptable four months earlier, but that four months later
no longer were.

 

In fairness, I should add that I think highly of St. Martin’s and I
want to note that their delay was not at all atypical among legacy publishers,
who, by slowing down the provision of contract and royalty paperwork, earn a
great deal of interest on money they otherwise would have to pay authors
immediately.  But these delays, from which publishers typically profit,
are also undertaken at the publisher’s risk.  If legacy publishers want to
sign more authors, I recommend they adopt as a sensible 21st-century business
practice faster turnaround times for their paperwork.

 

You say, “Also we should note here that the digital version
of The Detachment is not available for the Nook or Kobo.”

 

Not exactly.  The Detachment is not DRM-protected, and Nook and
Kobo owners can buy it easily enough from the Kindle Store.  Among those
things you felt you should note, that might have been a relevant one.  I
wonder how many Nook or Kobo owners read your piece, took it at face value, and
assumed they would have to buy the book in paper from wherever books are sold,
buy a $79 Kindle, or download a free Kindle app, rather than reading the book
on their Nook or Kobo as they might prefer.  I think you owe them a
correction, along with an apology.

 

http://www.barryeisler.com/faq-digital.php

 

You say, “‘What I care about is readers,’ said Mr. Eisler (to
which we add, readers who buy e-books exclusively through Amazon.)”

 

Well, again, this is one way you might look at it, and you
might know my mind better than I do.  Another way, though, is to note that
if I had gone with a legacy publisher, no reader would be able to read The
Detachment until spring 2012, which is the earliest any legacy publisher would
have made it available in any format, and all readers would have to choose
between a $24.99 hardback and a $12.99 digital copy.  Availability six
months earlier and at half the price seems like a pretty good deal for readers
to me.  If you want to castigate authors for not adequately caring about
readers, why have you not gone after all those self-serving authors who sign
deals with legacy publishers and thereby ensure that their works will be
available only at inflated prices and after considerable delay?  The
selfishness!  The hypocrisy!  Where’s the outrage, Emily?

 

In an attempt to debunk my claim that I want to offer lower-priced
books to readers, you say, “the paperback version of his Amazon book, at
$9.47, is more expensive than the paperback version of his other books, which
are also $7.99).”  That’s true, but those backlist titles are mass
market paperbacks, while the paper version of The Detachment is trade paper.
 Either you don’t know that trade paper typically costs a few bucks more
than mass market, or you didn’t bother to check on whether you were comparing apples
to oranges.  Either way, the outcome is misleading to your readers.

 

It’s also true that with Amazon, I receive “a significantly
bigger cut of the revenues.”  But what does this have to do with the
fact that Amazon and I are offering The Detachment to readers at a
significantly lower price in digital (less than half the price my previous
publisher, Ballantine, charged for the digital title of my previous novel,
Inside Out)?  The beauty of eliminating an unnecessary middleman is
precisely that you can make more money while charging lower prices.  This
is a win for authors *and* readers, and I don’t know why you would present it
as something nefarious.

 

Anyway, thanks again for the coverage and I hope you’ll enjoy the
book.

 

Best,

Barry

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By: AlexanderG http://observer.com/2011/10/barry-eisler-on-npr-publishing-is-a-business-not-an-ideology/#comment-8136 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:53:00 +0000 http://www.observer.com/?p=189450#comment-8136 Geeze–pretty snippy aren’t you guys? Eisler’s right, like it or not.

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