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Copyright notice should mention the surrender of the photographers copyrights to uploaded photo.[edit]

Can we keep this going, even after September?[edit]

This is a very worthwhile project, and I would hate to see it die simply because October 1st rolled around.

  • As some have mentioned, certain items may not be visible during the summer months.
  • Some items may be more interesting, or may have a greater visual/historical impact at different times of the year. (i.e. During the summer the place being photographed may be thronged with crowds of visitors making any attempt at a decent photograph an exercise in frustration.)

Can we:

  • Allow this to remain open, even if no prizes are awarded, so that those of us who wish to contribute after the end of September can continue to do so?
  • Continue mapping "needed pictures"?
  • Make it year-long? Or perhaps a "Winter of Monuments"? (laughing!)

What say yes? --Jharris1993 (talk) 22:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Jharris, thanks for the comment. I would say that yes, we can. We will keep this page up and do our best to support people working to document history: photographing monuments, finding public domain images, researching, and more. We do have to call the contest, but everything else can go on. Maybe we do need to "rebrand" to something less seasonal . . . Monumenteer2014 (talk) 21:26, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

How can I dismiss the Summer of Monuments banner?[edit]

I would very much not like to see the "Summer of Monuments" banner at the top of every Wikipedia page I consult. However, I don't find a "Dismiss" button or the like. How can I make this banner go away? — Ammodramus (talk) 03:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The banner has just become more annoying. It was gone for a while; then, just this evening, it re-appeared with a circled "X". When I click on the circled "X", it goes away—for about one second. It then reappears.
May I suggest that banners not be placed on Wikipedia pages until they've been thoroughly tested to eliminate bugs such as this one? I suspect that for every photographer recruited by this irritating non-dismissable banner, twenty people are going to get a negative impression of Wikipedia and Wikimedia. Ammodramus (talk) 01:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but the *America* you are referring to is a *Continent*, and NOT a *Country*[edit]

Please check the wording, and be sensitive to the rest of real true Americans that do not live in the US. Please stop saying America when you mean US ... There are exactly 55 countries in America. Please do not disregard them all in a single blow ..

Try to refrain from being such a 'smarty pants' .. very unbecoming. America or US is all the same.

Selection criteria[edit]

Hi. I am planning for grant to have similar contest next year in Slovenia. Do you have any page with detailed explanataion of procedure for selecting 1st, 2nd and 3rd picture? brg. --ModriDirkac (talk) 21:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Who is this person trying to explain America? The United States of America was occupied over 4000 years ago, as the water raised and lowered, a nation of Blacks that were already here before the so called Columbus discovered it. It became racially mixed, thus you see the so called Indians, who are not, of today. We as American people must realize where the cultures come from. Because of the medias we as Black People have no chance in the true story telling. So what the people of the world see and hear are lies about how great the European is and has been, when all the Europeans did was go around continent to continent robbing, stealing, killing, murdering, raping, Black People because they were everywhere first! If you want to speak on what is true tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!

Monuments and copyright[edit]

Please ensure that the people working on this project understand that photographs of actual monuments that are still under copyright may not be uploaded to Commons or WP:EN, except as WP:EN might accept them under fair use. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:27, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand. How can I possibly know if the photographs I snapped are of "actual monuments that are still under copyright" ? --DavidCary (talk) 13:42, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Certain statues, etc., may be under copyright (with the rights belonging to the person who designed the statue) and thus photographs would be considered derivative works of that statue. I think that's more an exception than the rule, though—most of these historic sites are very old. Harej (talk) 18:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
The US rules are, unfortunately, complicated. Buildings are not a problem. Monuments, statues, gravestones, and other created works can be a problem, as can historical plaques. A few general rules:
  • Anything from before 1923 is OK
  • Anything from 1923-1989 is OK if it does not have both (a) the word "Copyright" or the © symbol and (b) the creator's name. The date is not required on sculptures, but is on text.
  • Anything from after 1989 is not OK
  • Anything created by an employee of the Federal government or the governments of Florida and California is OK. Thus plaques erected by the National Park Service and other Federal agencies are OK, but those erected by private groups are not. However, plaques are usually a problem only if they have a sentence or more of descriptive text
  • Works commissioned and paid for by the Federal government are not OK unless the creator was an actual employee of the government. Works by independent artists are not OK, even if paid for with government funds.
.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
a monuments list is that it is heavy on buildings and light on sculpture. just direct them to Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US and SIRIS; NC government is also possible. there will be a certain amount of cleanup, just as there is from wikiloves monuments. nothing new here. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 00:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I see a contradiction here. "Monuments" do not qualify as architecture and therefore are not covered by FOP in the USA. In order to be architecture as defined for copyright purposes, the structure must be habitable -- a residence, office, school, factory, building used for religious purposes, etc. As an example, the Lincoln Memorial could not be shown on Commons if it were not pre-1923.
Also, while SIRIS can be useful for dates, it is not always good for the question of notice. Photographers relying on the absence of notice should be prepared to declare that they looked carefully while photographing the work and did not see any notice. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
you have an idiosyncratic view of monuments. the lincoln memorial is clearly architecture, with sculptural elements. habitability is not the criteria, rather "utilitarian". see also Category:Vietnam Veterans Memorial, but not w:The Three Soldiers. "A special situation is presented by architectural works. An architect’s plans and drawings would, of course, be protected by copyright, but the extent to which that protection would extend to the structure depicted would depend on the circumstances. Purely nonfunctional or monumental structures would be subject to full copyright protection under the bill, and the same would be true of artistic sculpture or decorative ornamentation or embellishment added to a structure. On the other hand, where the only elements of shape in an architectural design are conceptually inseparable from the utilitarian aspects of the structure, copyright protection for the design would not be available."[1] however, you can comb through http://wikilovesmonuments.us/ and nominate for deletion those sculptures, that i did not fix the license.
declaring that you looked carefully, or even FoP Germany is no help against a DMCA takedown such as for [2]. it's an unrealistic standard. if you are so concerned, what is the process that you will use to flag and curate and fix licenses? Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 15:39, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but my view is not "idiosyncratic" -- it is supported both by the legislative history, Copyright Office rulings, and recent legal decisions. See:
  • Wikilegal/Copyright of Images of Memorials in the US
  • 37 CFR 202.11 "The term building means humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions." The Lincoln Memorial and most other memorials and monuments are not "habitable".
.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
it is unhelpful to come around a project and issue commands, which you have done no work on. this project is following the same process as WLM 2012 and WLM 2013.
it is unhelpful to pontificate and hair split for cases that have not occurred here.
you are misreading the code and precedent. what part of "including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions." and what part of "The structures used in the definition of “building” by the Copyright Office are intended to house individuals; either for the sake of providing shelter or for another purpose such as religious services." don't you understand? this was a case where they found that a statue, "the column" was not a building: very relevant to your statement. if you are so sure of your interpretation of the code, why don't you go to the village pump drama board, and get a consensus. alternatively, let the mass deletions begin: Category:Gateway Arch; Vietnam Veterans Memorial; United States Air Force Memorial, Category:Marine Corps War Memorial
but stop wasting everyone else's time here. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 01:24, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

How does File:Bank Block Description Ohio Historical Society description, north facing.jpg, which is featured on the main Summer of Monuments page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikipedia_Summer_of_Monuments meet the copyright criteria listed above?--agr (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't -- it is a clear violation of the literary copyright for the text and I have tagged it accordingly. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
I guess that answers my question.
The Summer of Monuments project, through its choice of prominent cover image, is encouraging people to take photos which we'll then simply delete. This is very bad. ╠╣uw [talk] 13:47, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Why is it bad? You guys love to delete stuff. Maybe this whole Summer of Monuments thing will one day be deleted and a couple of paragraphs merged into Monument. 184.57.129.13 16:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
That's absolutely true. I started this thread in order to avoid this very problem. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately the problem wasn't avoided. We've still been running a photo drive whose cover image was (apparently) a disallowed photo, and that's highly misleading. I've removed the photo.
Our policy disallowing such images seems unintuitive and poorly understood, particularly given that we have a whole project set up specifically to encourage people to take pictures of monuments (which as you say can "be a problem" particularly in the US). That the project page gives visitors no indication whatsoever of these pretty significant "problems" and restrictions is very unfortunate and need to be corrected. ╠╣uw [talk] 15:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest turning Jim's "A few general rules..." summary, above, into a "Monuments and copyright" help page, with a link to our page on right of panorama. Than add a link from this Wikipedia Summer of Monuments page, perhaps changing "However, all pictures of U.S. historic sites will be accepted" into "However, all pictures of U.S. historic sites that meet our [ [Monuments and Copyright|copyright requirements] ] will be accepted."--agr (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would help. I very strongly support doing this ASAP, since it looks our current unqualified "all pictures are accepted" invitation may have already netted a few problematic submissions. :-( ╠╣uw [talk] 09:56, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
...or (sadly) more than few, as I look more closely: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and that's just the potentially problematic historical marker texts I noticed. Very unfortunate that some who volunteered time and energy to participate may have some of their work deleted.
Given how problematic and unclear this is, I wonder if further clarifying text might be in order; something like (to paraphrase Jim), "please be aware that photos of some monuments, statues, gravestones, historical plaques, and other created works may be disallowed." ╠╣uw [talk] 10:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Two of your ten are PD-no notice, so I have marked them appropriately. Several are definite copyvios and I have tagged them with {{Delete}}. The rest are probably OK, as they look to be pre-1989 and have no notice, but don't be surprised if someone else puts a {{Delete}} tag on them. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:45, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I took a stab at creating Monuments and copyright. I'd like a few more eyes on it before linking it in.--agr (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Very helpful; thanks for putting that together so quickly. ╠╣uw [talk] 17:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I have moved it to Commons:Monuments and copyright. Gallery space -- pages without a prefix -- is reserved for galleries of images. Instructional text goes in Commons: space. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I've added a link from this page.--agr (talk) 02:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Everytime (three times)[edit]

I try to use your map tool and zoom in close enough to actually see sites in my area (west Phoenix, AZ, USA) I get the "spin of death" icon and even waiting 5 or 10 minutes does not allow it to clear up, or what ever. I don't thank that this a shortcoming of my MAC or internet connection, but I am not sure how to proceed. Anyone with an idea? For example, can I find a list of site, and addresses for, say Glendale, AZ, USA, because I am headed there this afternoon. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Carptrash, you can find a list of historic places in Maricopa County here. Harej (talk) 18:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi Carptrash, hope you had a good time in Glendale. Here is a map zoomed in on Glendale in case you ever return. Maybe the direct link will work better. (BTW, the search button on the map seems to be pretty effective). Not sure why you got the spin of death -- sorry about that. Monumenteer2014 (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks everyone. but it looks as if the whole Maricopa county has been pretty well shot, with only "historical District"s being blank. Tho i could try and locate some of those archeological sites and get something. Carptrash (talk) 05:30, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Source of Map info[edit]

What's the source of info for the linked map from the opening page about this project? When I scroll in and check out any other area, there are lots and lots of green puzzle piece icons that I think represent National Register spots with existing photos. Then, there are the red markers for those still in need. But, both appear on the map. HOWEVER, when I scroll in on Charleston, SC, there are only five of the green icons shown. In fact, there are over 90 entries just in downtown Charleston that ought to be popping up. (They show up on the site-by-site list of entries.) Any thoughts on why this one (maybe others) spot seems to be so far off?

Hello ProfReader, how far in do you zoom in Charleston? More icons should be appearing as you zoom in, especially in dense urban areas. Harej (talk) 18:45, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I can zoom in as far as permitted, but there are never more than the five green icons. On the Wikipedia list of National Register properties within Charleston, there are 90 entries on the peninsula, almost all of which have photos associated with them (although the map seems to be flagging both those that do and do not have photos using either green or red icons). With the exception of the five that have green flags on their locations (and which seem to be a totally random five entries out of that list as far as I can tell), there are no other icons. If you pick any of the other several dozen and zoom in to the point that you can see the individual buildings' footprints, there are still no icons at all. I've poked around at several other cities and towns both in and out of South Carolina, and I can't see any other location that has just mysteriously left of a random 90% of the National Register sites.ProfReader (talk) 22:10, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Good catch, ProfReader, I'm not sure why that's happening. For reference: NRHP listings in listings in Charleston, South Carolina and listings in Charleston County. The lists do have upload buttons, too, but I realize they lack some of the usefulness of the map. Monumenteer2014 (talk) 17:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Fairfield Avenue Historic District[edit]

What exactly is wanted as far as a photograph for the Fairfield Avenue Historic District in Bellevue, KY? This is less than 10 minutes from where I work so it will be quite easy for me to get photos of anything in that area, but the historic district stretches for several blocks, so I'd like to know exactly what I should focus on, especially since there's a lot of traffic in that area. Oldiesmann (talk) 20:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that anything specific is needed. Unlike most of the listings on the National Register, a district is a whole collection of sometimes very different buildings that all related to some historical theme. For those, I think the photos that get used on the Wikipedia entries tend to be of some really prominent building in the district or a nice streetscape or something. For example, in the entry for my neighborhood, Hampton Park Terrace in Charleston, SC, the main photo shows a nice view of five front porches in a row since the defining characteristic of the National Register district was its collection of similarly styled houses from about 1912-1927. I'd suggest reading the National Register nomination form (which is usually one of the cited sources for a Wikipedia entry about a National Register district). One of the entries is a description of the unifying theme for the district. Then, if there is a church or factory or landscape or whatever that really captures that trait, that would be perfect.ProfReader (talk) 22:18, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Salutations, Oldiesmann. I'd say you can be creative with how you illustrate a District. (Of course, multiple photos are OK, too!) There's no way you can capture every building in a single shot, so just excercise good judgment as an artist and new-millenium encyclopedist. I like the above suggestions from ProfReader as well. Monumenteer2014 (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Clarifications[edit]

Buen día como están??? Hoy quiero aclarar unos puntos muy desfavorables que hacen que cualquier persona se incomode con su forma de actuar......soy gloria y estoy en Estados Unidos ...y estamos cansados de tanta injusticia de su parte ...att: gloria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Familia hernandez (talk • contribs) 14:27, 21 July 2014‎ (UTC)

  • Rough translation of the above comment:
“Good day, how are you all? Today I want to clarify some very unfavorable points that make anyone uncomfortable with your way of acting... I am Gloria, and I'm in the United States... and we're tired of so much injustice on your part... att: Gloria”
Unfortunately, I don't know to whom Gloria is speaking, nor who she means by "we". — Jaydiem (talk) 21:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Strange anomalies in mapped data points[edit]

Where does the data that gets plotted on the map come from? I opened the map to central Houston and began looking at some red icons, and half of them were placed miles away from the actual locations of the places described. Also, clicking on what appeared to be links to the articles needing photos of those places simply went to "create a new article" pages. What's going on here? — Jaydiem (talk) 21:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

These come from a series of list articles on the English Wikipedia, with titles mostly of the form "National Register of Historic Places listings in (County) County, (State)". The pictures mostly get added there, as well as to the site's individual article, if it exists. A lot of them still don't, but Commons has no way to automatically tell which ones. The standard disclaimer used on these lists about the coordinates goes like this:

The latitude and longitude information provided in this table was derived originally from the National Register Information System, which has been found to be fairly accurate for about 99% of listings. For about 1% of NRIS original coordinates, experience has shown that one or both coordinates are typos or otherwise extremely far off; some corrections may have been made. A more subtle problem causes many locations to be off by up to 150 yards, depending on location in the country: most NRIS coordinates were derived from tracing out latitude and longitudes off of USGS topographical quadrant maps created under the North American Datum of 1927, which differs from the current, highly accurate WGS84 GPS system used by most on-line maps. Chicago is about right, but NRIS longitudes in Washington are higher by about 4.5 seconds, and are lower by about 2.0 seconds in Maine. Latitudes differ by about 1.0 second in Florida. Some locations in this table may have been corrected to current GPS standards.

So if you can get better coordinates, you're welcome to correct them on Wikipedia's tables. Ntsimp (talk) 14:04, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, thank you, Ntsimp! In the case of Houston, the "list article" is here. Is the content of that article the best place for me to place corrected coordinates, or is there an "upstream" data source to which I should submit the corrections? Or both? Also, does the Wikidata project have any role to play here? — Jaydiem (talk) 05:01, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for not answering for a while, Jaydiem. Besides fixing the coords on the list (and articles if they exist), the NRHP WikiProject does have a page for recording information issues that come from the federal database. Project members are encouraged to contact National Register staff and state historic preservation offices to get the data corrected, but I don't know whether or not anyone ever does that. You might want to ask about that on the WikiProject talk page. As far as Wikidata goes, I don't know whether there's enough cross-project interest in the NRHP, or if it makes sense to just keep the data local to enwiki. Ntsimp (talk) 14:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

images added earlier this month[edit]

Earlier this month, I uploaded several photos of historic Anglican parishes in Maryland. Frankly, they seem appropriate for the Summer of Monuments project, but I used the ordinary upload form.Jweaver28 (talk) 11:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

@Jweaver28: You can submit them for Summer of Monuments by adding it to Category:Images from Wikipedia Summer of Monuments with the following code: [[Category:Images from Wikipedia Summer of Monuments]]. Harej (talk) 23:33, 2 September 2014

Perhaps, you should take into thought, include the axis tilt(UTC)

phone app[edit]

I loved the Wikipedia Loves Monuments app a few years ago, but it doesn't seem to be working on my new phone (keeps giving a wait message, though sometimes nearby monuments show). I don't know whether it's not supported anymore, or whether it's a phone issue (tho of course new android phones are more powerful than old). Unfortunately, the map on my laptop (which was working the last couple of days tho not last week), isn't really accessible in rural areas where I need the location help. Plus, some areas just don't have mobile data service. Early in the month I was looking for a particular NRHP farmhouse (White House Farm) which didn't include any address. Clicking on the geographic coordinates in the wikipedia article, gave me some crazy and contradictory directions, as well as a somewhat embarassing moment when approached by a homeowner when I stopped miles away because my navigation directions changed completely. I never found it, so the article's still missing a photo, as are many others in that Kent County, Maryland/Sussex County Delaware area that I plan to return to in August (perhaps bringing a physical map and scheduling a stop at the local library first).Jweaver28 (talk) 11:36, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

white house farm appears on MHT [3], Galena Massey Road (MD 313); NRHP says kent co. "MD 213 SW of jct. with MD 292" (could be a typo?) Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 18:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Maryland registry[edit]

This morning I uploaded a couple of images of St. James Episcopal Church on Baltimore's Lafayette Square, about which I will be writing an article shortly (and link it to two biographical articles I recently completed). Workers in the parish office said it was on Maryland's historic registry, but a google search doesn't pick that up. Frankly, I was surprised that wikipedia doesn't have an article about Baltimore's Lafayette square, which seems surrounded by historic churches, two of which are on the NRHP (although the neighborhood's had severe deterioration problems for many decades.....) Does Wikipedia/GLAM have a contact at the Maryland archives?Jweaver28 (talk) 12:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I can probably help you out ... what are you looking for from the archives? Any material on Lafayette Square? Or is there some information specific to the Maryland Registry that you're looking for? Monumenteer2014 (talk) 18:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The Maryland Historical Trust's inventory of historic properties is here[4], but unfortunately the Baltimore properties aren't part of the database. Acroterion (talk) 20:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
i see a list here, [5] but it dosn't appear on it. hmm. still could make article as notable church building. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 18:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

SoM and WLM[edit]

Since Summer of Monuments runs through September, does this imply that the U.S. won't be participating in Wiki Loves Monuments? -McGhiever (talk) 05:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd really like to know this too. — Ipoellet (talkf.k.a. Werewombat 04:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure how SoM limits WLM participation. If people want to contribute to WLM, can't we make sure it is available? What are the requirements for getting the US competition setup? --Another Believer (talk) 13:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, it looks like there were no volunteers this year to either set it up or to instruct someone else how to do so. Too bad! Maybe someone shoulld add the US to the WLM non-participants list. As for SOM, I can't see any rules for participation anywhere and just assumed it was over since the summer is over. Jane023 (talk) 10:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I just read the page on Meta concerning the SoM grant. The PM was only hired June 1st for fifteen bucks an hour, and only ten states are represented. If others would like to hustle a team together for the other states, they could probably do so, but you need some prizes I guess (or barn stars maybe?) 12:42, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

NRHP contest in WLM format as alternate for other states[edit]

Found it! See en:Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest Jane023 (talk) 13:22, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

To clarify, photos throughout the United States are eligible for Summer of Monuments. Harej (talk) 23:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Harmony Hall[edit]

Hello

There is a historical site in White Oak, North Carolina that gets little public recognition. It is called Harmony Hall Plantation, as is of particular importance to the outcome of the Revolutionary War. I would love to create/add to a page about this historical site, and I have a great many photos to add, as it was less than 15 minutes from the small town of Tar Heel, North Carolina where I grew up. I have photographs of the outside of the structure, as well as of the small outlying buildings and the artifacts found within.

Nothing could bring me more pleasure than to bring notoriety and support for preserving and presenting this site to the global office. Please let me know how I can do this!

Many thanks, Miranda Crenshaw

Summer of Monuments?[edit]

To whom it may concern,

I have a more than a several photos from a trip I took through the South earlier this year that I think I would like to share. I am not familiar with how Wikis work so I would like to talk to some one about how this would work... ie... me giving them to you.

-Nathan Lyons

A MONUMENT THAT NEEDS EXPOSURE[edit]

There is a small town--I believe it may be in Alabama and on the Gulf Coast--that was devastated economically by the boll weevil cotton disaster of 1915. Thereafter, George Washington Carver introduced his peanut inventions to the town and thereby saved it from ruin as the town switched from an economy based on growing cotton to one based on peanut farming and manufacture of its products. The grateful town erected a monument--not to G.W. Carver--but to the boll weevil ! I read this outrageous but true story in the Newport News Daily Press in about 1995. They printed a picture of the monument to prove it. This bit of historic bigotry should be documented and made known. Thank you.

previously submitted photos[edit]

How about previously submitted photos of such sites? Can they be entered in to the contest as well? --Mactographer (talk) 09:50, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

@Mactographer: Yes, they can. Harej (talk) 23:28, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Historical markers[edit]

It's very confusing to see that the Summer of Monuments page shows a historical marker as (apparently) an example of the kind of thing that should be photographed.

Why confusing? Because in years past I've taken time and energy to do exactly that — photograph historical markers — only to have them deleted from Commons on the grounds that such photos violate copyright. (Examples: File:Dan Patch home 2007.png, File:Lafayette Ninth Street Hill marker.png, File:Lafayette Perrin marker.png, etc.)

Has there been a shift in policy? Is photographing historical markers something we're now encouraged to do? ╠╣uw [talk] 10:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

good question, and I will second it! Jane023 (talk) 11:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Jane023. FYI, here's a sample discussion on the subject that might be useful.

Can someone please clarify this? Are photos of historical markers now acceptable? If not, then why is one being used as the cover image for a project that solicits photos? ╠╣uw [talk] 15:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Apparently the answer (above) is that such photos are not permissible in Commons. Yet for some reason we've chosen just such a photo to be the cover image for this whole project. Good grief. ╠╣uw [talk] 13:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
it's a funny thing, when you go to the state archive, they think they're in the public domain, and no copyright enforcement; commons thinks otherwise. (this is an artifact of the old system of burden on copyright holder to renew or register to get protection) some states have started to formalize this release of state funded works into public domain, i.e. Florda. apparantly not Ohio yet, maybe an OTRS is in order. if you go searching the WLM uploads, you will find many more markers and statues to delete. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 19:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

[edit]

this heat map from the SoM grants page on Meta shows that this is not for all of the US states, only a small number of southern ones. The banner cannot be tailored to those specific states. For other monuments, no volunteers are available to do the necessary contest work

I noticed a banner invitation to participate, but where is the upload link with the rules of play? Also, the NHRP map is only showing the places on commons already, not the the ones we need photos of. Jane023 (talk) 11:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

@Jane023:, the map should include red boxes which refer to places not yet on Commons. If for some reason that does not, we also have lists on Wikipedia with upload links; see w:United States National Register of Historic Places listings. We will accept submissions for NRHP sites throughout the United States. Harej (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

monuments@wikimediadc.org[edit]

Why do I have to create an account to upload images for your Summer of Monuments? I live in El Paso and am a semi-professional photographer who could supply all the images you need for El Paso. But I have no wish to create yet another account with a password which I'll only use this once or to have my name on the internet.

the answer is pretty basic: without an account, it is impossible for the jury to contact you should your submissions ever actually win something. I believe the upload will work however, so you can upload anonymously through the form, but your submission will not be judged. BTW, you need to fill in an email address that you can receive emails from for the same reason, only then your submissions will be judged, but you won't be contacted. Jane023 (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
also, you cannot upload to commons without being logged in. you could upload to flickr, and email an editor to use flickr to commons, but it's even more indirect. the days of ip's uploading and creating new articles are long in the past. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 12:45, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I am sorry to hear that, but thanks for the clarification, since I had no idea Commons was becoming so insulated from potential contributors. You learn something new every day, I suppose. Sigh. Jane023 (talk) 12:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Creating an account is really quick and simple, probably quicker than the amount of time it took to type out this question. As for the password, use a password manager. (Your web browser probably has one built in.) And you don't need to have your name on the Internet; the username you pick to identify yourself on Wikimedia projects doesn't have to have any relationship to your real name. --Ppelleti (talk) 15:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Photos of things other people own[edit]

Good morning, all!

I know a few people that own some ridiculously awesome things - and I was wondering if we could photograph them and send those photos in? A lot of these objects/photos/etc are valuable (not just financially) and these people would prefer if they didn't get taken away from them. Some of these objects are coins, arrowheads, statues, etc. They're small, so I wouldn't want them getting damaged or anything.

But that's not the problem, really. The problem is I don't know who to cite/reference for the photos, if they're taken. Some of these things have been bought, some auctioned, some are family owned.

To whom are they cited/referenced, depending on where they're from?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tenkarasu (talk • contribs) 14:30, 2 September 2014‎ (UTC)

The only thing that might be a problem is if the work has a copyright -- that would include most recent coins and statues. See Commons:Monuments and copyright for more information.

For items that do not have a copyright, you can simply photograph them and upload the photograph here with an appropriate license. As for the cite, it is not legally required, Some people would like it if you gave their name as the source of the object. Others will want to be anonymous, particularly if the object is valuable. For works of art where you know the name of the creator, of course that should be included, generally as a two part Author line:

Author = Tenkarasu (photo) <br> John Doe (sculpture)
You can do the same for the source
Source = {{own}} (photo) <br> Collection of John Doe (object)
If Mr. Doe wants to remain anonymous, you can say "Private Collection" or "anonymous" there.
.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

"We need your help documenting history" header needs fixing for higher zoom[edit]

Hi there! As you can see in this screenshot, the end of the line runs off when my browser (Chrome) is zoomed in to 110%. It is fine when I set the page too 100%. I'm also on 125% DPI, Windows 7 if that is relevant.

Contest[edit]

When is the contest over?

@Renelibrary: the contest ends on September 30 at 11:59 PM EDT. Harej (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Painting by Jean Antoine Theodore GIROUST[edit]

I have a painting by Giroust, which is similar to those on your site. Would you like me to e-mail you a photograph and details?

D.M. Mitchell ddmitchell113@comcast.net

Map tool needs a legend[edit]

I clicked "Map tool" and concluded it needs a legend. What is the green puzzle piece logo? Tarcil (talk) 00:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Tarcil: Green refers to places that already have pictures; those places without pictures have red boxes. Harej (talk) 14:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hope the Wikimedia Labs Map tool stays around after the contest ends[edit]

Just discovered your Summer of Monuments. Being from Silicon Valley and the Summer of Code -- what a wonderful expansion of the idea. Two things about this project are key. The map tool to visually see your local area needs and the simple request / need for photos. With maybe expanded work to add text (research, description, summary) to a page. This is a perfect way to introduce middle school kids to helping out and properly understanding and using Wikipedia/Wikimedia/etc. Simple enough for them to go get it done on their own. And, if page editing is added, teaches them how to research and document with references their summary.

Spent years with my daughter in middle / high school being told by professors (yes, many of her teachers in the public school were Stanford PhD's!) that they could not use nor reference Wikipedia. So she learned how to use it is a hint / starting point and then to follow the references and other leads to create a wider, likely more correct and researched result. And, if needed, to go back and add the references and corrections to the Wikipedia page to make it better for the next student coming after her. So with this project (map, photo request), can start my niece and nephew down the same path in a simpler, easy-to-find and contribute way. Keep it around and maybe schools / teachers can pick up on this and use it as a classroom / field exercise for their students. You hit a nice sweet spot -- especially by picking up the National Register data that is woefully missing on Wikipedia. --SurplusGadgets (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Deadlines and submission details[edit]

I'm excited to see several friends on Facebook talking about the contest, but they have a few questions that I don't see answered on the project page. Can you add the deadlines for submission and a link to submit photos to the project page? Cheers!--KHarold (WMF) (talk) 00:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@KHarold (WMF): The deadline is September 30 at 11:59 PM EDT. The upload links are on the page, listed under "find sites to photograph". Harej (talk) 14:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Butler county ohio[edit]

I may be able to help with some photos of historic sites here but the reason you do not have photos is these sites are not visible in summer spring or fall.

How to upload[edit]

How do I upload photos of places on the National Register to the Summer of Monuments project?

Thanks.

Renelibrary

@Renelibrary: You can upload pictures through the map tool (search for a place name) or through upload links on the various Wikipedia lists. Harej (talk) 14:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

VIRGINIA MARYKLAND AND DC[edit]

IS THERE ANY ARWEAS YOU NEED TO HAVE PHOTOGRAPHED THIS ARFEEA IM RWTIRED BUT PREFFER TO STAY IN THESE ARESA S IF POSSIBLE IM A PHOTOGRAPHER . JULIE C CATLLADY1821@ccox.net

Red icon still showing after picture contributed?[edit]

I added an image of a monument location and updated the wiki page to include the photo. But the S.O.M. maps still shows as red with no photo. Do i have to edit something somewhere for the map?

--- I have the same issue- for some monuments I sent in pictures of *last year* ..tried uploading a second time, but wiki says the files are already uploaded. So why is the icon for these still red, not green? - @Sandylwilson

Hello folks. The map data is based on these listings on Wikipedia, so the image must be plugged in there before it shows up on the map. (After adding the image to the index on Wikipedia it takes a day or so.) If the prospect of editing the listing seems daunting, I can help out; just link me to the photo and I'll make sure it gets to the right place. Aloha, Monumenteer2014 (talk) 12:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Just photographs?[edit]

Hi,

Is this just a collection of photography, or should I include a write-up about the site, with historical information, etc?

Thank you!

I was wondering about this as well--should we make pages for these monuments? I fear that many would end up as stubs, perhaps creating needless bloat. Plumleaff (talk) 03:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The focus is on the American South?[edit]

Does that include Texas (probably so, right?) (But did it mean the Southeast?)

Incorrect Caption[edit]

The description associated with the photo File:Yalta Conference (Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin) (B&W).jpg" states "Yalta Conference, February 1945. Original caption: "Conference of the Big Three at Yalta makes final plans for the defeat of Germany. Here the "Big Three" sit on the patio together, Prime Minister Winston S. Churchill, President Harry S. Truman, and Premier Josef Stalin. Behind them stand, from the left, Field Marshal Sir Alan Brooke, Fleet Admiral Ernest King, Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, General of the Army George Marshall, Major General Laurence S. Kuter, General Aleksei Antonov, Vice Admiral Stepan Kucherov, and Admiral of the Fleet Nikolay Kuznetsov. February 1945. (Army) Exact Date Shot Unknown NARA FILE #: 111-SC-260486 WAR & CONFLICT BOOK #: 750"

Either the author of the description mis-quoted the caption, or the caption is just incorrect. Should be Roosevelt, not Truman.

yes, thanks for the metadata correction; there are a lot of NARA images that have wound their way here. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 00:09, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Marked places[edit]

Old things like bases with H,c info on it

Why did Napoleon invade Egypt? Another crusader?

I was walking just across the bridge from rock meadow into Waltham beaverbrook and I ran across a bright yellow or golden frog laying in the middle of the path. It had jet black diamonds that ran a little into its golden skin across the eyes. It may have been a tree frog but I did not stop to observe for any cups on the feet. It may have been stunned from falling as it did not jump when I touched its nose with my shoe. What kind of frog is this? If there was this one there must be more nearby. James Bowles 617-599-6508.

Abraham Lincoln Statue–Laramie[edit]

Good pictures available online.

summer of monuments[edit]

Are you including Hawaii, in this?

Yes! Zoom in on this map to see the locations. Monumenteer2014 (talk) 21:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

How do I upload pictures for the 'Summer of Monuments' program?[edit]

How do I upload pictures for the 'Summer of Monuments' program? Do I have to use a special subject line/ caption/ file name?

NHRP Map Upload Tool - License restrictedǃ[edit]

For some reason, the UploadWizard linked to from the "Maps of Monuments" (NHRP map) here, for example restricts the upload license to CC-By-SA 3.0, and there's no link for "use a different license". Normally I upload things under CC-0, so it's annoying to have to change the license after upload. Can this be fixed? 0x0077BE (talk) 20:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

SallyReedSCOTUSMemorial.jpg[edit]

I've just uploaded, SallyReedSCOTUSMemorial.jpg to Reed v. Reed, and I would like it to be included in Summer of Monuments. This is the only memorial to a SCOTUS case I've ever come across, incidentally. Are there any others? Kencf0618 (talk) 23:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Hispanic Civil Rights[edit]

Hello, are you interested in pictures concerning the History of the Hispanic Civil Rights Movement from the year 2000 to 2011 based here in the U.S. I have photos that I own the Rights to, and taken in cities like Chicago, Illinois, Batavia Illinois, Rockford, Illinois, Washington D.C. and possibly others. These are pictures of Marches, Gatherings, of 200,000 people, sometimes more, sometimes less. If you are not interested, do you have ideas of entities that would be? It is so important that our Civil Rights struggles in this country be documented, in whatever form it takes. Most of the photos are already owned by the press or Media and cannot easily be accessed, or the newspapers that own them have closed its doors. The pictures, and stories, blocked and lost forever. Please respond. My Email is marimbamabb@yahoo.com Sincerely, Marreen Buntaine Freelance Photo-Journalist

Sailor diary- documents from 1944-45[edit]

These maybe, worth nothing to others, but they are gold to me. I rescued a file folder with many items from the estate of Herbert Puffer; sailor who served on the USS Benjamin Franklin June 1st 1944-?. Includes: memories, diaries, Pacifican newspaper from key dates Large maps of that era of WW II. A map that traveled with him and is marked. copies of War correspondances of Aug of 1945. more. I would like to share it with anyone interested.

I do not want to make entries into wikipedia. They get erased. You can enter them yourself under your own name. I made an entry once that got removed promptly. Since it was true, years later it was re-written by another. Look up "homato hokhto hovarasht" hoorazar@yahoo.com

you will want to find a local library or archives to house the documents. en:Wikisource will be interested in transcribing the public domain documents, that you may upload to wikicommons here. you might want to get a release from the estate if possible, and email through com:OTRS. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 20:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

National Monument with restricted access[edit]

The Port Chicago Naval Magazine in Concord, CA, USA was the site of the famous Port Chicago blast during WWII. The National Monument erected as a memorial to the casualties of that disaster is located within the boundaries of the secure area of the former Concord Naval Weapons Station, now administered by the US Army as Military Ocean Terminal Concord (MOTCO).

There are very few pictures of this site available online. Should this be listed in the Summer of Monuments list? GPS coordinates are probably available from the National Parks website.

Have a filter for pictures taken vs pictures needed[edit]

Right now the maps show all the pictures whether they are needed/missing or not, and only differentiate by having a red square or a green square. It would be helpful if there was a way to filter out the taken pictures and only see the pictures needed. This is especially in regards to the map. Also, I understand that tables can just be resorted on the pages with lists.

Mobile friendlyness[edit]

Also as an aside, the map program is really unfriendly for mobile use. It would be fun to base an NRHP hunting-type app off the data to encourage people to track down monuments and historic places that haven't had a picture taken yet, or that were marked as being a lesser quality image with an improved photograph desired. Right now the map is pretty data intensive, and its pretty hard to try to zoom in.

Spam[edit]

In English Wikipedia, a banner linking to this page (Commons:Wikipedia Summer of Monuments) shows up on top of every page. If you click on the ⨷ to close it it will still not only on any page you subsequenlty open (annoying enough) but the page will also reload, showing the banner again — that’s outright spamming. -- Tuválkin 01:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Tuvalkin—I've complained about this above, as I complained when the banner showed up with no dismissal link at all. I've just used the nuclear option: in "Preferences", go to the "Gadgets" tab; under the head "Browsing", check the third-to-last box: "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner".
I hate to do this, because it means I'm cutting myself off from potentially useful information; but it seems like the only way to get rid of that irksome banner. — Ammodramus (talk) 01:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

This banner is broken[edit]

I click the 'x', but it just reloads...please fix, thanks. Smarkflea (talk) 02:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

How many money prizes and how are the prizes distributed ?

I was about to come here and say the same thing. Wikimedia Foundation, you're being out of line by shoving this banner down our throats. As a registered editor, if I click X, that should be the end of it. Wholeheartedly agree with the spam comment above. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree that this needs to be fixed. Not sure where the problem lies, but I don't think it is intentional. -Another Believer (talk) 18:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

CONCERNING THE PICTURES THAT ARE INSIDE FOLSOM DAM OF THE MEN THAT HELP BUILD IT IN 1955[edit]

What happened to all the pictures inside Folsom Dam of the men who helped build it, like my father Jack Lester Clark SR. in 1955? He also helped moved the grave yards from Mormon Island. Ofter told us stories of this. Please respond. Thank you Mrs. Collier at noraclarkl@yahoo.com

Message pop up[edit]

I can't get the Action center off of my screen at all, I want it removed or hidden, I can't see what I am even typing. Please get rid of it for me.

Roger Butler house Wethersfield Ct[edit]

When George Washinton was in town in the 1700's is it possible he visited the Roger butler home?

devyska v Polshe xochet vostanovut karty pamyatu u zvanut na Ykrainy eto vozmozhno?vasha karta pamyatu?

summer of monuments[edit]

I want know if there is a certain age you have to be to win the prizes and upload the pictures???

View from the Brooklyn Mirador[edit]

Hello,

What is the best way to contact Wikipedia in order for a technically challenged senior (myself) to communicate with a human about an undocumented historic alignment which is based on the plans of Frederick Law Olmsted and Calvert Vaux (Central and Prospect Parks)? Local public officials show no interest in discussing this alignment, which has existed since the Civil War, as it has never previously been documented. It is threatened.

Richard Kessler

Submitting photographs for the cash prize.[edit]

So I'm just curious do we receive money for each site that we submit good photographs for? or am I just entering to win a prize with each photograph I submit? Thanks!

Can you make this an international event.[edit]

Hello team.

Just wanted you to know how interesting this project is and shouldn't be just a local or national event. 

I'm writing from the Dominican Republic and I work in a Call Center and trust me when I tell you (Wikipedia) is our main search engine...We gain knowledge and read beautiful stories.

Thank you for making our job less stressful and enjoyable.


Sincerely Rossemary Bonifacio rossemary.bonifacio@gmail.com

Map used to find historic places[edit]

Mapquest is NOT a reliable mapping source. Google would be better, at least U.S. Hwy 60 would not dead end after the overpass intersection with U.S. 41 in Henderson, KY....there is no telling how many other "mistakes" there are on the map...that is just a major one that I found when looking for historic places to photograph. If I don't have reliable mapping information, how can I be sure that the locations mapped are in the correct place on the map??

Please check your map(s) and make sure that the locations are correct in their positions on the map otherwise I'm gonna use a great deal of gasoline trying to find them...thanks!

Isn't the goal here basically original research?[edit]

Maybe I have missed something but going out and writing about things you see and perhaps even taking pictures of same is Original Research in the most classic sense. If THAT'S not allowed in regular articles, only what can be linked to, then what's the justification for making a project to do exactly that? Please somebody tell me I am missing something. --Challenger94 (talk) 11:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Jean Raymons Exilus( Ramon) Profile.[edit]

Jean Raymons Exilus was born in Dessalines Artibonite,Haiti on December 10/1975.At four (4 )years old,he left the village in which he was born to live in Saint Marc,(Department of lower of Artibonite.He had spent all his youth in the city where he has some friends,classmates and families. At 16 years old,he left Saint Marc to live in Port Au Prince to pursue his high school. At the same year,he graduated college,he moved legally to America to pursue his education and had a better life.In 2002,he graduated as a computer Networking and data communications at Chubb institute in Jersey City NJ. After 9 years experiences working in the computer field,Jean had realized with the technological revolution,there is a marriage between computer and Accounting. Jean emphasized by the accounting field,he went to Kean university in Union New Jersey where he hold a master degree in Accounting. Summary of his education and work experiences. His profile describes about his educational backgrounds and experiences ,He has several experiences in companies that he had worked for . He had a bachelor's degree in accounting at G.O C University Port Au Prince, Haiti graduated in 1999(He has an US Equivalent Bachelor degree from WES=World Education Services) and then a master degree in accounting at Kean University, Union New Jersey graduated in 2010.He has a minor in computer networking and data communications from Chubb Institute New Jersey in 2001.

He had worked for : Vonage Holding Corp Inc. EATS-LL C Sub Office of :Tax Technology Inc, Hope lawn New Jersey . Century 21 Atlantic Realtors, Inc. Roselle Park NJ. Optimum Financial and Tax Services,Inc. Elizabeth New Jersey,Bristol Myers Squibb,Skillman NJ,Credit Suisse,New York NY and Mind Shift New York NY. Now he is currently working for Verizon In Basking Ridge as a Senior Tax Accountant. Beside all of the above experiences, he has also worked seasonally at his office as a tax preparer and accountant for compensation .(Owner of EATS LLC/ExiLus Accounting & Tax Services since 2009.

Jean Raymons Exilus( Ramon) Profile.[edit]

Jean Raymons Exilus was born in Dessalines Artibonite,Haiti on December 10/1975.At four (4 )years old,he left the village in which he was born to live in Saint Marc,(Department of lower of Artibonite.He had spent all his youth in the city where he has some friends,classmates and families. At 16 years old,he left Saint Marc to live in Port Au Prince to pursue his high school. At the same year,he graduated college,he moved legally to America to pursue his education and had a better life.In 2002,he graduated as a computer Networking and data communications at Chubb institute in Jersey City NJ. After 9 years experiences working in the computer field,Jean had realized with the technological revolution,there is a marriage between computer and Accounting. Jean emphasized by the accounting field,he went to Kean university in Union New Jersey where he hold a master degree in Accounting. Summary of his education and work experiences. His profile describes about his educational backgrounds and experiences ,He has several experiences in companies that he had worked for . He had a bachelor's degree in accounting at G.O C University Port Au Prince, Haiti graduated in 1999(He has an US Equivalent Bachelor degree from WES=World Education Services) and then a master degree in accounting at Kean University, Union New Jersey graduated in 2010.He has a minor in computer networking and data communications from Chubb Institute New Jersey in 2001.

He had worked for : Vonage Holding Corp Inc. EATS-LL C Sub Office of :Tax Technology Inc, Hope lawn New Jersey . Century 21 Atlantic Realtors, Inc. Roselle Park NJ. Optimum Financial and Tax Services,Inc. Elizabeth New Jersey,Bristol Myers Squibb,Skillman NJ,Credit Suisse,New York NY and Mind Shift New York NY. Now he is currently working for Verizon In Basking Ridge as a Senior Tax Accountant. Beside all of the above experiences, he has also worked seasonally at his office as a tax preparer and accountant for compensation .(Owner of EATS LLC/ExiLus Accounting & Tax Services since 2009.

New info on "Galusha House" (built 1790) in Jericho Vermont, listed on Natl. Register in late seventies. I am former owner of the house, and we had it restored completely in 1980-81. It was built in 1790, and was approved for listing on the National Register by the authority in Montpelier based on "exceptional architectural quality." The house is at the intersection of Rt. 15 and Lee River Road in the village of Jericho Corners. (Wikipedia map is slightly incorrect in 2014.) It was built by the owner of Jericho's Old Red Mill (also on listing, and across highway intersection from the house, and is mentioned in many Vermont histories. It is variously called "The Galusha House," "The Truman Galusha House," "The Truman Galusha Mansion," and it appears in Beer's Atlas of Chittenden County as an illustration in one corner of a wall map. On those maps, the house is named "Fairview," which must have been a name give it by the Galushas. Truman Galusha was the son of Vermont's Second Governor, Jonas Galusha, and moved to Jericho in 1824 with his second wife, Hannah Chittenden Galusha, who was the granddaughter of Thos. Chittenden, Vermont's first Governor. They and their descendants lived in the house for several generations into the 1930's as two of Truman's daughters married into the Howe family. (See Jericho History.) The house features fine features for one built in such unsettled territory. Architecturally, the dentils along the eves are rare in Vermont, and the woodwork in the front parlor is extremely elaborate for the time and place. The house has four Rumford fireplaces, and two stairways. A modern addition at the back added some modern rooms, but did not detract from the house's historic rooms and beautiful facade facing Rt. 15 across a long, sloping lawn. The house is privately owned.

What constitutes a "monument", especially one modified by the adjective, "historical"; changes in how our natural monuments are cared for.[edit]

Hello Wikipedians and Fellow Wikipedia Lovers:

I've been to some of our most valuable national monuments over the course of fourty years. I've even, with the help of an aunt, rediscovered ancient natural American monuments, such as the burial mounds in Sheyboygan, Wisconsin and with her help, we were able to have those mounds protected beginning in the 1960s and later returned to the proper custodianship of the original american peoples.

With my daughter, we discovered the true location of an abandoned lumber town call "Wolf Trap" on the shores of Lake Superior and again, with proper reporting, that town was able to be marked with a small plaque, some preservation and display of domestic remains and a few photographs of the town and it's residents taken during that period.

Hardly finds of life-shaking significance, but indeed, they went from being missing to restored pieces of the puzzle that makes up the history of the North American Continent. I'm a bit proud of it, and I hope my aunt and daughter are, as well.

My biggest query regarding your project regards whether or not Wikipedia wants to know what some national monuments, such as Taquemenon Falls, were like before the different park management agencies barricaded off most of the monument itself. Many of our state and national monuments were much more fully accessible to the public before they were fenced off, sealed or protected in other ways. Sometimes, these "protective" measures were necessary in order to protect the monument from damage by the environment, the curious or acts of vandalism. Sometimes, actions were done in order to protect the public from mishap or harm while exploring. Agencies may have been sued, or held legally responsibly for injuries, some bound to happen, as is the human condition, others due to over-zealous exploration. There must be many other reasons.

As a child and as a young teen; later, occasionally as a scoff-law, I've walked behind the falls at Taquamenon and explored areas no longer legally accessible. I've explored many other monuments and locations and seen the sides to these monuments most vistors will never get to see again. It is a bit unfortunate our state and federal park services can't afford to lead "expeditions" into these areas. Perhaps there is a market for this that could become a revenue stream for them.

However, my questions are really this simple:

Would Wikipedia really want help from simple "explorers" like me?

Do you want to know anything about the history of the management of these monuments? Is there a way I can be of help with this? I could at least edit and fact check as I have some professional background as a technical and science writer.

Is there any interest in the development of some of these monuments, which went from forgotten, grassy mounds hidden n the undergrowth at the edge of abandoned farms and orchards, to national treasures. This journey may have often started with something as simple as a curious youth exploring while holding her aunt's hand.

Another question I have is: this country had beautiful urban monuments, such as the famous "Brewster Projects" where one of the Supremes grew up and "Crystal Mines", where half of south-east Michigan's road salt came from and were subsequently abandoned, sold to organized crime groups in Detroit, used to store toxic waste and then razed. I documented the grass-roots memorial site marking Malice Greenes murder in Detroit. I have photos of these places, albeit in a state of decay, in a locker. I used thousands of rolls of film to photograph and document these places as they decayed. Is anyone interested in this?

Finally, I admit to some verbosity, but am interested in helping. There are far too many places out west that I've never seen, but were used to add much color this continent's history and would love to see many more of them written about them.

Thank you so much for your time,

Marais (a Wiki-phile)

admiral William s benson[edit]

I am the great granddaughter of William s benson. I have in my possession many old archival pictures and memorabilia. would you be interested? ASH

When will uploaded photos appear?[edit]

Hi uploaded a photo for a site which had none. How long does it take to appear? Also, wrote a description, since I used to own the building...will that appear soon as well?

I've added your photo to National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Chittenden_County. Someone or you can create an article for it. --Mjrmtg (talk) 16:38, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Structure gone[edit]

There are several images requested of historic East Austin structures - but they've been destroyed. I've documented what is there now (empty lots or new structures). How do I indicate that the original structure is not there? Should I bother uploading what is there now?

i did for w:Rhodes' Tavern. also look for HABS or historic photos. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 13:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Summer of Monuments[edit]

Is each place that needs a picture a separate contest where you can win money or is it an overall of all pictures taken everywhere.

Overall --Mjrmtg (talk) 22:37, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

ships and captains[edit]

I may have many old pictures of ships and other pictures of the Navy during the 2nd world war and the Korean war too. My uncle was captain Otto John Stein whom I was named after. If these photos are of any value I will look for them.

When will we find out results?[edit]

If we have uploaded a photo for the Summer of Monuments, how and when would we find out if our picture has been chosen?

Can we include US on the global map of WLM2014?[edit]

Please see Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014/Participating_countries#USA_not_in.3F. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:48, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Summer of Monuments winners?[edit]

When and where will winners be posted?

Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 winners Jim.henderson (talk) 09:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

It is 2015-where are the US winners?2601:C:6783:8416:D58:4BDD:1584:DEDA 18:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC) See the discussion on that page lol. Something about calling attention to the poor quality of entries by naming winners would subject them to a fuss or some such nonsense. The banner RAN ALL SUMMER lol. Now where are the US Summer of Monuments 2014 winners? (US was excluded from International and had a separate category dealing with the National Register of Historic....2601:C:6783:8416:D58:4BDD:1584:DEDA 18:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Who won the prize $$?[edit]

Well-who won in the US?

Wikipedia Summer of Monuments is a campaign to improve coverage of U.S. historic sites on Wikipedia. We want to encourage more people and groups to get involved with Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. There are many different ways you can participate.

Part of "Summer of Monuments" is a contest to see who can take the best picture of a Nationally Registered Historic Place. There are prizes for the best pictures! The best individual photographers will win cash prizes of $500, $300, and $150. Institutions can also donate their photos; the best institutional collection contributed will win a prize of $1,000! The deadline is September 30 at 11:59 PM EDT. Happy October, everybody! The contest is over but you are still more than welcome to submit photographs, in the spirit of improving Wikipedia. Stay tuned as we review the 10,000+ wonderful submissions.-still waiting! 2601:C:6783:8416:D58:4BDD:1584:DEDA 18:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
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