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[[Image:The Queens Arms pub Charlotte Street Birmingham 2005-10-14.jpg|thumb|The Travellers' pub - your watering hole on Wikitravel]]
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The '''Travellers' pub''' is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the [[Wikitravel Shared:FAQ|FAQ]] and [[Wikitravel Shared:Help|Help]] page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.
 
The '''Travellers' pub''' is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the [[Wikitravel Shared:FAQ|FAQ]] and [[Wikitravel Shared:Help|Help]] page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.
  
If you have question '''about travel''', not the website, try the '''[http://extra.wikitravel.org/forum Wikitravel Extra Forum]'''.
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If you have question '''about travel''', not the website, try the Travellers' pubs in your language edition of Wikitravel.
  
 
If you are having a problem that you think has to do with the [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ Mediawiki software], please post that on the [[Wikitravel Shared:technical requests|technical requests]] page instead.
 
If you are having a problem that you think has to do with the [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ Mediawiki software], please post that on the [[Wikitravel Shared:technical requests|technical requests]] page instead.
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== Icons for Train Lines ==
 
 
In the routebox template page there are two examples of Icons for Japanese train lines, ([[Image:JR_Kansai_icon.png]] and [[Image:Joetsu_Shinkansen_icon.png]]) and several more can be found on the pages for other Japanese cities. I want to add one to a page that doesn't have one yet, but I can't find the one I need. Is there centralized repository or some sort of search I can do to locate all of the existing ones? [[User:Chazchaz101|Chazchaz101]] 19:09, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
: There is, please see [[:en:Wikitravel:Route icons]].  -- [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 19:12, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::I think we should also organize our icons by category on Shared itself. I'll try to work on that now—we'll see if the site speed allows this endeavor!  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:25, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
== German Wikitravel ==
 
 
I just want to inform you that there are no active admins on the German version of Wikitravel anymore. I left the project 9 months ago and the last remaining admin left two months ago. I don't want to go into too much detail, but the lack of support by both Shared and IB was a major factor in our decisions to abandon the project. As you can imagine, Wikitravel de: is in a pretty poor state now after two months without any admin activity (and only sporadic admin edits in the months prior) and, in my opinion, IB should consider closing it down for good, if they cannot find any new admins. --[[User:Albion|Albion]] 17:12, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:Hi Albion. I'm Paul, the Community Manager for Wikitravel from IB. As this is the first I've heard from the German site in the year that I've been here, I'd love to chat with you and any other current/former admins of that site about what it is you need and are not getting from IB. You can feel free to contact me on my Talk page, here, or at paul.obrien at internetbrands.com. Thank you, --[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 14:41, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::Hi Paul, it seems you started your job here shortly before I left the project last year, so I must have missed that. I'm glad to read that there now is somebody to contact at IB, because that always was a major issue during my time as an admin. Whenever we had a problem (not matter if technical or otherwise) at Wikitravel de:, no one really seemed to care, neither at Shared nor at IB. It often took months to fix even the tiniest problems, if they got fixed at all. I hope it works better now. What killed Wikitravel de: in the end was a similar project started by former Wikitravel admins who were unhappy about the sale of the website to IB. Unfortunately has become far more popular with German Users than Wikitravel ever was and therefore it has been like fighting windmills to keep the German Wikitravel alive over the past few years.
 
 
::Anyway, I left Wikitravel last July for the reasons mentioned above and have dedicated my spare time to other projects since then. I have no desire to resume my "job" as an admin. After my departure, the last remaining admin on de: was [[User:Geisterfahrer|Geisterfahrer]], but he left the project earlier this year. So, as much as I appreciate your offer, I will not get involved in Wikitravel again. I'm afraid you will have to find some other users (although there are very few active ones left) at Wikitravel de: to fill the admin positions, if IB wants to keep the German version alive. --[[User:Albion|Albion]] 12:36, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:::Thank you, Albion. I'd like to ask if you might help in the search for new admins for the German site. We are currently getting over 750,000 unique visitors per month to wikitravel.org/de/ (compared to around 750 visitors/month for -- both German and Italian combined), so any contributions here would be invaluable to our German-speaking visitors. Can you help?--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 18:53, 3 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
Hi Paul, I have my doubts about those numbers, but that doesn't really matter. I've noticed that you have already contacted some admins and users on WT/de. The only other "old" user I can think of, who still contributes to WT/de on a regular basis, is [http://wikitravel.org/de/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Volksparker Volksparker]. I think he would be well suited to be an admin. I've left him a message on [http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer_Diskussion:Volksparker his discussion page] and told him to contact you, if he is interested.
 
 
Looking through the recent changes there seem to be four other active users (who are not spammers) at the moment: [http://wikitravel.org/de/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Knut Knut], [http://wikitravel.org/de/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Basta Basta], [http://wikitravel.org/de/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Atze Atze] and [http://wikitravel.org/de/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Knautschke Knautschke]. They are all doing a good job, but seem to be relatively new to Wikitravel. I don't really know and therefore can't vouch for any of them, but of course you can contact them, if you like. Hope that helps. --[[User:Albion|Albion]] 13:02, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::That's very helpful and much appreciated Albion -- thank you.
 
 
::As to the traffic figures, I know ours are accurate, because I retrieved them from Google Analytics myself. Last month we got 750,000 unique visitors to wikitravel.org/de/ alone, and well over a million page views. Wikitravel has just huge readership. That's a tiny fraction of what we see at the site as a whole.
 
 
::I'd love to see some other numbers for WV -- all I am able to view is the number provided by 3rd party traffic sites like compete.com, which lists less than 1000 visits per month for WV.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 15:07, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:::I can't provide any data regarding WV other than their own statistics, so I will try to trust you numbers. Anyway, the important thing with websites like these should be the quality of the site (i.e. number of useful edits), not the quantity of visitors (although of course I can understand that the numbers of visitors is important for IB as a business because of AdSense).
 
 
:::I have now changed the box, that appears on top of each WT/de page, to inform all visitors that we are looking for new admins and that anyone interested shall add their name on WT/de's [http://wikitravel.org/de/Wikitravel:Nominierungen_zum_Administrator administrator nominations page]. Maybe this helps finding some new admins. I will supervise the election process, in case we find any nominees, but this will definitely be my last and final act for WT. --[[User:Albion|Albion]] 08:39, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::::Thank you, Albion. That is extremely generous and gracious of you to do that.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 15:40, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::::Those numbers are interesting. I have no reason to doubt them. They show between 100,000 and 300,000 total visits per month, over the entire site (German and Italian). If you take away the Italian (since for the moment we are only taking about German WT versus German WV), and then account for a much lower number of UNIQUE visitors (those numbers are TOTAL visits, remember), it's clear how much smaller WV/de's readership is than WT/de's. Which makes it all the more sensible for German speakers to write and edit at WT instead of WV. We just need to show some WT/de readers that this is the place to be.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 19:04, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:One user asked this question in WT/de's Travellers' Pub, so I thought I'd forward it to you: would it be possible to automatically protect all WT/de articles in a way, that only registered users can edit them? Of course, I know we could do that by protecting each article individually, but with 5278+ articles, that would take a lot of time. This measure could stop the recurring IP vandalism and would give new admins more time to focus on repairing the damage that has been done over the past few months. --[[User:Albion|Albion]] 11:08, 7 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::That's a great question, and in fact an excellent suggestion; we were just discussing what to do about spam until we have an active admin crew on /de/ again, so this is very timely. What are your thoughts? I believe this is technically feasible.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 13:51, 9 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:::In my opinion, it is the only viable option right now. Spam and vandalism are major problems at WT/de and blocking IP-edits would help a lot (as an interim measure, of course). Regarding the admin search: so far we have to candidates. Knut (fomerly know as Volksparker) is an experienced editor on WT/de, but he is not 100% sure, if he really wants to take on that job, yet. The other one is user Tomitsch. Although I'm sure he means well, he is new to WT and does not seem to have much experience with Wikis of any kind. --[[User:Albion|Albion]] 17:03, 12 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
It's been three weeks now since we started the search for new admins on WT/de, but so far this has produced no results. As already mentioned above, there were two nominations, but neither received the required number of positive votes by current admins. Therefore, in accordance with our rules, neither candidate will be made an admin. As I had already anounced before, overseeing the admin election was my final contribution to Wikitravel. As there have been no new nominations since 12 April, and I do not expect that to change any time soon, my work here is done and I will now retire from Wikitravel for good. Good luck for the future. --[[User:Albion|Albion]] 15:12, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
 
 
== Mediawiki upgrade will start 06-June-2012 ==
 
 
Site will be READ-ONLY for up to 2 days while the upgrade is occurring.
 
 
If there are edits you'd like to make, please do so asap.
 
 
When the new site comes online, it will be on new hardware as well. Bug reporting is available here:
 
 
http://wikitravel.org/shared/Tech:Upgrade_to_MediaWiki_1.17#1.17_UPGRADE_BUG_REPORTS
 
 
If for any reason you need to contact me, I can be reached on my Talk page or my email address paul.obrien at internetbrands.com. Thanks!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 14:10, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:Delayed until Wednesday 06-June-2012--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 19:10, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::Upgrade complete. Please report issues at http://wikitravel.org/shared/Tech:Upgrade_to_MediaWiki_1.17#1.17_UPGRADE_BUG_REPORTS--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 19:04, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:::Please see the notice of completion posted at the Travelers' pub here: http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Travellers%27_pub#Upgrade_to_1.17_complete --[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 21:37, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::::Since Shared is the joint area for all language versions, why post it there instead of here... and a link from each Pub to Shared? [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 09:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:::::Bugs from the upgrade now have their own ticket, see [[Tech:Bugs from the MediaWiki 1.17 upgrade]]. The upgrade ''feature'' request has therefor been closed. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 23:23, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
 
 
==Closure of the open bugs category?==
 
We have a number of [[:Category:Open bug reports|open bug reports]], assumably related to the old MediaWiki version. How about closing them all (many of them are ''really'' old anyway) and starting all over now that we have a new software version? The feature requests are a different issue though and I do not know what the new s/w version actually supports in that category. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 17:23, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
 
:They should only be closed if the bug is confirmed to be fixed.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 07:24, 19 June 2012 (EDT)
 
::Since most of the bugs are '''O L D''' and seem to lack any update as to whether they still exist or not, it is not much point in keeping them open now that the software has been updated. But OK, it might be an idea to contact the person who reported the bug and ask them if it stil exists. If so, it stays open. If not, or if no answer is given in a reasonable amount of time, they can be closed. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 15:07, 20 June 2012 (EDT)
 
:::I have started to go through the open bug tickets, making sure they are signed and timestamped. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 16:25, 20 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
::::I closed the few you edited that were indeed fixed. Looks like the diacritics issue has been solved for images, which is very good.
 
 
::::Might it be worthwhile to start categorizing the open bugs? There are a ton of OpenID login tickets, which are probably all more or less about the same problem (I don't use OpenID, so I don't really know what's going on). It might simplify things to create a simple "OpenID Bugs" page with links to the various individual bugs. That way we could take them off the main "open bugs category" to keep things a bit cleaner.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 22:52, 20 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:::::I will continue to check the open tickets and make sure they are signed and timestamped. During that job, I try to match thedifferent tickets to see if there are any crossreferences. My next idea was to create a sub page and stick all remaining open tickets in a table with the bug headline and report date, thus making it easier to follow up. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 09:11, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:::::: There's an old proposal I made for duplicate and misreported bugs at [[Category talk:Tech requests]], which never received comments.  It's not always easy to decide what to do with bug reports where the best response is "it ''seems'' to work now", particularly when the reporter has not given enough information to easily re-check their specific error -- but (admittedly without rechecking) I don't think we have too many of those.  -- [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 14:56, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:::::::All open tickets are now timestamped. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 14:44, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
 
 
== Blacklist not working on ar: ==
 
  
Since the upgrade the spam blacklist on Arabic Wikitravel doesn't seem to be working - spammers are creating multiple copies of the same spam content each day with patterns that should be blocked.  [[:ar:MediaWiki:Spamblacklist]] is set to "Local spam blacklist" - is there anything else that needs to be done to make this work? -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 16:21, 19 June 2012 (EDT)
 
  
:It appears functional—I was unable to add patterns to my test page.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 18:29, 19 June 2012 (EDT)
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== My eddition is being deleted ==
  
:: Thanks for testing.  I may have gotten mixed up with the patterns being reversed on the edit page due to the left-to-right language - I've updated the blacklist and will see if the spam (finally) comes to an end. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 18:51, 19 June 2012 (EDT)
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How can i save my information?
  
==Recent changes==
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Please send me the instraction
Hm, all of a sudden, the diff links (cur/prev) on the far left of each line on recent changes are gone. Has it been done intentionally, or is it just me who suffers from a temporary memory loss? It is really important that one can access the latest change to check if it is vandalism or a serious contribution. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 10:32, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
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:Reported this. I'll let you know when I hear something back -- thanks.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 13:45, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
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The Callan school is offers Russian classes with native speakers 240/KG.Contact details : url=http://www.callanschool.in.kg/  Skype: callanschool1, callanschool@mail.ru  Cell phone: +996707890405
  
::Great! [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 16:05, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
 
  
:::Do you see them now? I see a slightly different format that what we used to see... those dropdown arrows are new...--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 17:40, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
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The Callan school  employs European  teachers for teaching English language and may have free accommodation. traveling please visit url="http://www.tuk.kg/"  Contact details : url=http://www.callanschool.in.kg/ Skype: callanschool1, callanschool@mail.ru                                        Cell phone:+996707890405
  
::::Works fine - thanks! :-) [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 13:44, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
 
  
==Today's performance==
 
  
As announced last week, today we are implementing a new cacheing system. It is expected to result in an overall increase in performance, as well as resolve the login issues and most other reported bugs from the recent upgrade to 1.17. You may have seen intermittent errors today, and initially some performance slow-down as the cache builds back up with every page load. Not to worry -- this will be alleviated with time, and overall there will be a bump in read/edit speed.
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:'''Touting''' See here: http://wikitravel.org/ru/Wikitravel:%D0%9D%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B5 [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:23, 30 March 2015 (EDT)
  
If you discover longterm problems (i.e. beyond today) or bugs resulting from this change, please report them as usual. We do not anticipate any issues. Thank you!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 18:47, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
 
  
==1.17 upgrade bugs addressed==
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Hi! I've added a listing and hit save, I see it listed on the page, but when I go back the next day, it's gone. It shows in my user contribution, it shows in the revision history, but after adding when I reload the page, it does not show as a listing any longer. I've tried to add the listing several times now and it's still not showing on the page after refreshing. I'm concerned that I'm either doing something wrong or will be touting. Thanks for any help in resolving this!
We believe we have addressed and fixed all bugs reported since the 1.17 upgrade. Please review any you have reported and if they are still occurring, report them on the upgrade page (and unmark them as "resolved" or "fixed") and we'll readress them.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 19:42, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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:'''Please provide a link''' Where are you editing exactly? Which page? I'd be happy to help but I need something more precise, please. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
  
: Please thank your team for their work - while things have likely been frustrating on both sides lately, the effort shown is still appreciated. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 20:08, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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== User name + password not accepted, OpenID disabled - how to get my user back? ==
  
::That's great to hear Ryan, thanks. I will let them know.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 20:14, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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Dear all, I did not log in for quite a while but edited as anonymous. Mea culpa. Now, when I wanted to log in again. I used to do that via OpenID, but that function seems to be disabled?! When I try to log in via user name + password, which I saved 7 years ago in KeePass so they shall be correct, these credentials are not accepted. I tried to let me send a new password, but that does not work (error message: There is no email address recorded for user "Schoschi"). I do would like to continue to use ''my user'' and not create a new user "schoschi2" or the like. How can I solve that problem? Thank you, http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Schoschi --[[Special:Contributions/85.212.79.184|85.212.79.184]] 07:43, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
  
:::Bugs from the upgrade now have their own ticket, see [[Tech:Bugs from the MediaWiki 1.17 upgrade]]. The upgrade ''feature'' request has therefor been closed. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 23:24, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
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:Hi, did you try to just create user "schoschi" again? I looked through all the logs and this name does not appear anywhere, so maybe it has been deleted by the system as it was not used for so long. Give it a try and let us know. Thanks! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 10:05, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
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:: I tried to log-in as well as to get a new password as well as to create a user with my old name. The latter was denied because that username is already in use, and my user page http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Schoschi still exists - so ''I guess'' my user sill exists. --Schoschi 2015-04-13 22:07
  
==Bugs, feature requests, and the future of Wikitravel==
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:Likely you never registered the username at WT Shared, but just at WT English. Just register it here at Shared and you're good to go. [[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 17:09, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
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:: <del>OK, and where do I find the "register at WT shared" page? The link on the top right always leads me to http://wikitravel.org/wiki/de/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden&type=signup (Firefox) or http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup (Opera) and on both pages I get the error message "Username entered already in use." --Schoschi 2015-04-13 22:07</del> I found out that the target of the link "Create account" on the top right differs depending on the currently visited page; here in the pub page, it leads to http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup where I could successfully create a new user http://wikitravel.org/shared/User:Schoschi  with my old name :) Sadly, I can't login with that user to the EN and DE pages/guides; what do I have to do for that? And how do I merge that one with my existing one http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Schoschi so my old edits, watchpages,... are available. Thank you for hints :) --[[User:Schoschi|Schoschi]] ([[User talk:Schoschi|talk]]) 16:48, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
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:::Hi again. There is no merged account -- you simply make an account with the same username) if available) at each of the sites you wish to edit. If at some point you run into a site where your preferred username is taken, just contact me or another admin and we'll help you get the same username across all sites you wish to edit. [[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 19:07, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
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:::: <del>Hi IBobi, thank you for the offer :) I want to edit in DE and EN sites, and would like to do so with one user name, preferable "Schoschi", and if that's impossible, "GeorgD".</del>  --[[User:Schoschi|Schoschi]] ([[User talk:Schoschi|talk]]) 17:52, 14 April 2015 (EDT)
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:::: BTW, when I click "email" in your signature, I get "You cannot send email to other users on this wiki". --[[User:Schoschi|Schoschi]] ([[User talk:Schoschi|talk]]) 17:52, 14 April 2015 (EDT)
  
We're rapidly closing in on a completed and bug-free MW 1.17. We began this unprecedented update in November, when 1.17 was the most current version of Mediawiki. Clearly at some point in the near future we will upgrade to 1.19, or 1.20 when it is fully released and stable. But this is not where we stop.
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== Editing Zipolite ==
  
There are a number of open bug reports [[:Category:Open bug reports]] and open feature requests [[:Category:Open feature requests]] -- some of which are collected on the very useful [[Roadmap]] -- that are no longer relevant in the post-1.17 world. The first task will be for the community members who requested those features and fixes to sift through them (we'll be doing the same) and remove anything that is now just clutter, so that we can address any that are still relevant and desired by the community. Many requests will be *much* easier to address now -- or only now possible -- since the upgrade.
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Hello,  
  
Next, we will ask for recommendations (and votes) on new feature requests, and begin to prioritize them among the existing requests, and send them off to the development team to hammer them out.
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I have been adding to the "Zipolite" page for several days now. I tried to post a picture of the sunset in the SEE section. Im not an expert with codes, so I still havent been able to add the picture properly. This is kind of annoying, but not the big issue.  
  
Please help us in this next step toward making Wikitravel better.
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The problem is that when Zipolite page is opened, the formatting has been changed. The "Sleep" and "Eat" sections have been combined with each other, and the page looks awful.
--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] 20:46, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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:You often note that the upgrade to MediaWiki 1.17 is "unprecedented".  What do you mean by that?  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 21:48, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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I then go back to the edit screen to try and fix the mess, and the formatting on the editing screen is correct, it should look perfect when opened up.
::Is that spin-speak for "extraordinarily long overdue"? [[User:Texugo|texugo]] 22:46, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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:::It's to highlight the huge undertaking of upgrading the software on a Wiki this size, and yes, it includes the big jump from 1.11 to 1.17. This is by far the biggest technical achievement ever accomplished on Wikitravel, largely due to the increase in size of the database and user base of WT since the last upgrade.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:22, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
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:::::So, unprecedented but for the WMF upgrades that happen, well, regularly?  on wikis much bigger? 
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::::::There are a few wikis that are bigger than WT. Not many! Fortunately, now we're over the big gap and can upgrade more or less at will, much more easily.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 00:56, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
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:I'm not sure how to add to the Open feature requests page, but I've [http://wikitravel.org/en/Template_talk:Warningbox#Review_Dates proposed changes to the WT warningbox] that I think may need a little work on the IT side if consensus is to add this. Similar to the "What links here", the page would need a bot to list all the warningboxes on WT and their date added/updated and proposed "review date", with all columns able to be sorted alphabetically or by date up/down. Basically an auto-generated version of tables found on Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population#List like this one]. [[User:AHeneen|AHeneen]] 02:43, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
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:Recently, I went through all the current bugs in the open bugs category and made sure they were stamped with the date and time when they were first reported, in order to make it easier to evaluate them. Personally, I'd suggest we close all bugs prior to the upgrade and, if they still occur, reopen them. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 11:48, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
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Any ideas...am I going to have to copy the whole page, then start over and paste it all together to make the page look correct again?
  
::That's pretty much what tech is recommending as well; there are so many changes it'll be more work to run through each of them than it would be to just wait & see if they pop up now. Many things were resolved with that update, and feature requests are possible now that were not before. We'd love to have a fresh start with bugs & feature requests so we can prioritize according to what the community wants most. Obviously at the moment that means fixing the 1.17 security hole & deletion errors, which we should be able to do Monday at the latest. But new features available should be added (such as email notifications which I suggested).--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:00, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
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Help please!!!
  
:::Bugs from the upgrade now have their own ticket, see [[Tech:Bugs from the MediaWiki 1.17 upgrade]]. The upgrade ''feature'' request has therefor been closed. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 23:25, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
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:Hi Mike -- please see IBcaldera's notes to you on your talk page: http://wikitravel.org/en/User_talk:Themikebrown78. You may want to set up your preferences there and here, so that you are alerted when someone writes to you. I'm sure IBcaldera can help you format! Welcome! [[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 20:41, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
  
I have now gone through all the open bugs again, and there are still quite a few tickets that need to be checked by IB; among the most important ones are tickets related to non-ASCII characters, diacritics or "local" letters, such as Å, Ä and Ö, and tickets related to the caching thingy you implemented on July 9. Also, following that, the [[top bugs]] list needs to be revised. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 00:43, 21 July 2012 (EDT)
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== Cleveland Ohio Climate ==
  
:::: I strongly disagree with just closing bugs because they're old -- as of yesterday, there were only about fifty bugs remaining, some of which were obvious duplicates (and could of course be merged), but by no means all. The [http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html CADT Model] is a lousy way to run things, especially when there is so little effort involved in verifying most of them. -- [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 13:45, 21 July 2012 (EDT)
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I don't know why, but the Climate by Month information for Cleveland Ohio is very wrong for the summer months. It lists the Daily highs for July as 113 degrees Farenheit. That's absurd. It's not Palm Springs it's Cleveland.... I would say May-August are all very wrong and off by 20-30 degrees.  
  
:::::Well, a bug that is not checked, not verified, and not bumped for 6 years is no longer a problem in my book. I am fully aware that people have different opinions on this, but as long as we - all wikitravellers - do not help IB to check if the bug still exists, well... attention has to be given from both sides. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 12:32, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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I'm not sure what weather source is typically used by WikiTravel. But Intellicast backs up my assertions that the values for Cleveland are our of whack.
  
::::::For myself, I'd much rather follow Riggwelter's model and get a fresh take. A bug that old can always be reported again; it's just very likely that with no evidence of it, given all the changes made to the site (all new software and hardware) that it no longer affects the site. Riggwelter, your diligence on this is greatly appreciated. I think it will allow us a truer window on what needs to be done to the site.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:10, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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I wanted to bring this to someone's attention. Hopefully someone who is more aware of the editing policies can eventually apply an update.
  
::::::: We have bugs that have not been bumped for years because ''IB never responded to them'', and there's little point continuing to shout into the wind. In this most recent case, I reopened about six bugs that Riggwelter had summarily closed after personally verifying each one of them was still relevant, which in most cases took no more than a few seconds.  These are not situations where there is "no evidence of it".  -- [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 15:57, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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:Thank you for the heads up! The [http://wikitravel.org/en/Cleveland#Climate numbers] are now up-to-date! [[User:IBcaldera|IBcaldera]] ([[User talk:IBcaldera|talk]]) 20:19, 14 April 2015 (EDT)
  
::::::::It is quite right that we have bugs that have not been bumped for years, but in my opinion, a bug that the reporting part does not keep bumping, is not a bug that can be considered very important (compare to an IT support department in any major company...). Of course, the same goes for any bug that isn't attended/replied to by IB, which is something we wikitravellers expect. There has been a significantly increased interest by IB in bug handling (many thanks to IBobi) and I think that is worth all praise. We expect them to keep up that interest. Now, that was slightly off-topic... but fact remains: if the reporting part does not show any interest in the ticket, the fixing part will not do it either. Wiki is about cooperation, and Dguillaime reopening the tickets after checking them is an excellent example of exactly that: checking and rebumping. The best thing is of course if the ticket gets a timestamp in the ticket itself, so it is apparent that it has been bumped. A number of tickets on a list (or in a category) is not very helpful. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 16:23, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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== Authenticated - sometimes ==
  
I have found the Roadmap to be a very useful place for bugs to be reported and prioritized; if all bugs that are checked could be linked there, that would help tremendously in determining which should be addressed and in what order. I see that many already are there.
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I'm logged in OK here but when I go to the main Wikitravel page or to a town page I'm not, and when I try and log in I get permission error. What gives?
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[[User:Owen|Owen]] ([[User talk:Owen|talk]]) 05:53, 23 April 2015 (EDT)Owen
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:'''Logging in''' There is no [https://mediawiki.org/wiki/SUL single-user login] at Wikitravel: you must create accounts at each language edition you wish to edit and login separately there. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 10:22, 23 April 2015 (EDT)
  
A combination of Roadmap for feature requests and [http://wikitravel.org/shared/Top_bugs Top Bugs] for bugs would be ideal, as it would allow us to check two locations that are fully community-vetted and know exactly what to work on next. I want to keep our new dev resources constantly busy.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 21:02, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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==Untitled==
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Hello I just wanted to say that there is a mistake in your webpage,the house Mugarretenea in Hondarribia is  in Calle San Nicolas Number 2 and not 13
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:'''Plunge forward''' Anyone can edit the site, so we'd be happy to have you fix any errors you find. Do you need help with editing? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 16:49, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
  
== Lack of really interesting info on WT ==
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== SPOT AN ADVERTISING LINK AT George Town travel guide - Wikitravel ==
  
To the site founders and owners : I wrote that :
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Have a check...
  
[http://wikitravel.org/en/Talk:Paris/18th_arrondissement#Lack_of_interesting_info_on_the_18th_arrt_Paris_page.2C_especially_on_restaurants.2C_and_generally_on_80.25_of_this_site Lack of interesting info on the 18th arrt Paris page, especially on restaurants, and generally on 80% of this site]
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(Under Section: '''SEE'''. Both links to a private tours agent selling website: http://www.penangtourchannel.com/ )
  
My point is that only some 20% of the pages can compete with a basic paper travel guide. And I'm being optimistic.
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[[User:Laywiki|Laywiki]] ([[User talk:Laywiki|talk]]) 06:24, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
  
Sorry to say it, guys, but this is *partly* a MFA site. Which means, of course, as I said, that there are good, useful pages (such as the one on hospitality exchange). But overall the service to the community is dubious to me.
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:Hi, thanks for letting us know. The information has been removed from the article. In future if you see something like that please feel free to remove it yourself and just explain in the summary field why you removed it. We appreciate your help and are looking forward to further edits from you. Thanks! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 07:09, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
  
In case you care about the future of this web site.
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== jodokusinn no Spam!!!!!!!!! ==
  
Emmanuel B. 7/15/2012
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Hello dear team I recently put on a post of my place in Montezuma as I am new I did not totally understood how I worked and created a post but afterwards did not see it so I created the post 4 times and when I finally figured out how to put me on the page I put me down 4 times in no way I was able to delete my posts as i tried to do that..  as it stated It did not recognize my log in the day after I had been deleted and blocked for being a spammer that is absolutely not correct and all I wanted it to put my space on the map
  
== Wikitravel has some alarming problems aka. WTF!?==
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Bin bin in China without any help or explanation besides I am a spammer blocked me.
First I noted that WT seems damn slow this morning (European time). As I tried to login on en I found myself logged in as someone named Prabjot that Dguillaime recently has blocked as a spambot. Logged out again to write about it on English's Travellers pub - and found out that I could not edit anything nor as anonymous nor as Ypsilon as my IP seems to be blocked. To "complain about the IP block" I'm supposed to email Dguillame if I've specified an email address in my preferences - well, I have, but I cannot do that. I cannot do anything. I can just say WHAT THE F**K!? How is this possible? Has someone else experienced something similar? I have to write it over here as I cannot do anything over there and hope someone sees it.  [[User:Ypsilonatshared|Ypsilonatshared]] 01:04, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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: Best guess is that a spambot is exploiting a security hole in 1.17.0 - see the last part of [[Talk:Roadmap#MW upgrades]] for a discussion and some pointers.  IB was supposedly going to implement a patch to the latest 1.17 bugfix release, but at the moment that doesn't seem to have happened. Clearing your browser cookies may fix the login issues, but won't address the spambot session hijacking. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 01:15, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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what to do to get back on the map in a good way As an innkeeper of Jodokus Inn
  
:: Now I see, this looks a bit similar to what [[http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Travellers%27_pub#Spam_Page|AHeneen has experienced]]. When I saw that I was logged in as someone else I logged out and logged in again. Now I was logged in on my own name but got one of those warning boxes. My IP address has apparently been blocked on en for 24h, because I was logged in as that spambot. :|| I think I'll follow the situation as an anonymous spectator until IB has sorted out those security issues. [[User:Ypsilonatshared|Ypsilonatshared]] 07:44, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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I do not understand how to talk to BinBin to explain as I do not see that option how to create that conversation
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please help.
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:'''Which edition?''' Wikitravel is published in over 20 languages: which one was the one where you had this problem? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:36, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
  
::: Ugh. Yes, it looks like you're inadvertently hitting the same severe security flaw that was seen on AHeenan's account, but this is the first time (that I know of) where blocking the ''fake'' account hurt the ''real'' user, rather than fake/fake. I will stop blocking spammers for the time being until IB gets their act together.  Meanwhile, I've just cleared out the last six autoblocked IPs that were supposedly from the Prabjot account, so I hope I unblocked you as one of them! -- [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 12:20, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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::Hi, I checked the [http://wikitravel.org/en/Montezuma Montezuma] article, and the reason your edit was reverted was because you added your listing four times in the same article, which is against our policies. I don´t see your IP address blocked though, so have a look through our guidelines and try again. Any questions, please let us know. Thanks! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 10:59, 20 August 2015 (EDT)
  
::::The MW 1.17.2 patch was deployed early this morning Pacific time. Please let me know as soon as possible if it has not addressed the spambot issue and the deletion problem.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:12, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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== Photo not allowed ==
  
::::: Well, now I am at least not logged in as someone else, and my IP isn't blocked. However, most pages load as blank screens the first time and I have to reload them up to 2-3 times until I get the page. [[User:Ypsilonatshared|Ypsilonatshared]] 07:17, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
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Hi,
::::::Ypsilon: The caching issue is an unsolved technical issue IB claims to work on since 2009... See [[Top_bugs]] for technical issues that are ignored for years. [[User:Jc8136|Jc8136]] 09:44, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
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This photo is mine :
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http://wikitravel.org/fr/Fichier:Salar_challviri_sud.jpg
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I never give any authorization to use it.
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Please, don't use this picture without mention of my name.
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All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. All violation will be procecuted by law.
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Best regards
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Patrick Chatelier
  
The cacheing issue he's referring to is likely just the slowness of the entire site's cache reloading since the upgrade yesterday; any legacy cacheing issues were likely resolved with the MW upgrade last month, along with many other longstanding bugs and some feature requests. We're in the process of defining which pre-upgrade bugs, if any, are still relevant. Cacheing should not be one of them.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 14:15, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
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*'''Attribution''' I'm confused: are you saying to not use it at all or are you saying that you want attribution with use? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:50, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
  
: Yes. It's just the last few days that I've had to reload virtually every single new page (had the same problem when I tried to log in here on shared a minute ago).  [[User:Ypsilonatshared|Ypsilonatshared]] 02:09, 26 July 2012 (EDT)
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== Template for displaying non-latin languages ==
  
::I don't think I have experienced the old caching issue where you see an outdated version of a page or file, but as it has been a long-standing and somewhat irregularly occurring problem, I would like to see us let some significant time go by before closing the bug report.
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I'm currently editing the article about Bangkok and have made the experience that there is no template that allows users to display words in Thai script in an appropriate way. At least I haven't found it yet.
  
::As for site slowness, it remains a disaster (I've also been getting 503 errors, possibly for this reason). I still can't perform my basic admin function of patrolling, because opening multiple diffs at a time in tabs just gives me dozens of either eternally loading pages or 503 errors. The session failures are even more of a problem right now, though.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 14:18, 26 July 2012 (EDT)
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Voyage has a good template for displaying non-latin scripts by using the following markup (Thai example):
  
:::And there we go. I added the rdf tag for breadcrumbs to [[:en:Monegros]] today, but they did not show up until I purged the cache and reloaded the page. It's a pain to have to click history, purge, then click the filename (since rdf breaks until I use the clean url), then reload. Given that it can take minutes to perform each and any of these steps, this is... a pain and a waste of a productive Wikitraveller's time. But, as everyone knows, it's worse when a new contributor tries to edit, and the edit does not show!  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:21, 26 July 2012 (EDT)
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<nowiki>{{ThS|กรุงเทพๆ|w=Krung Thep|b=Bangkok|a=grung teep|i=IPA}}</nowiki>
  
IBobi, [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Wikitravel:Travellers%27_pub&curid=76403&diff=1904308&oldid=1904132 reports are] that the spambot/account-hijacking problem persists.  -- [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 02:50, 30 July 2012 (EDT)
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Parameter 1 is the template ID, parameter 2 is the text in its original script, ''w'' parameter is the official transcription into latin alphabet, ''b'' the translation, ''a'' the pronunciation (if it differs from the official transcription). ''i'' shows the characters in IPA.
  
:It appears that the 1.17.5 patch did not have the intended effect of stopping spambots from spawning new accounts. We will continue to investigate a solution.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 18:57, 30 July 2012 (EDT)
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It'd be really helpful.
::Cache was fully cleared yesterday to propagate the effect of the new patch (1.17.5). Please report if you observe spambot spooling issue or deletion problems persist.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 18:11, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
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<small>—The [[Project:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User: Thaikolja|Thaikolja]] ([[User_talk: Thaikolja|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Thaikolja|contribs]]) </small>
  
::: One particularly worrisome effect seen today is that a great many contributions came in from what were clearly different editors, but the same IP address:  [[Special:Contributions/10.17.32.138]] and [[:en:Special:Contributions/10.17.32.138]].  What makes this worrisome is that the entire 10.x.x.x block is a [[:wikipedia:Private_network#Private_IPv4_address_spaces|private IP range]]: it cannot be routed across the wider Internet, and so those contributions are all appearing to come from within IB's own internal network!  Perhaps something very badly wrong with a caching server?  -- [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 01:36, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
 
  
::::D. Guillaume, you should not be seeing that IP issue any longer; it was not related to cacheing, but is now fixed, thank you for reporting.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 16:11, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
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==Problem with Pictures==
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"Housten we have a problem! Images of Commons will not be displayed. Please help!--[[User:Geisterfahrer|Gf]] ([[User talk:Geisterfahrer|talk]]) 06:09, 9 November 2015 (EST)
  
== Slow to unusable ==
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== My Italian profile has been blocked ==
  
For at least the past 24 hours the site has been slow-to-unusable - reloading the recent changes page consistently takes 30-60 seconds, loading diffs takes anywhere from 15-60 seconds, etc.  Perhaps ten percent of the time the page returns with a server error saying "Guru meditation". In general it feels like performance has degraded steadily over the past week. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 10:53, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
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My IP is 88.49.22.25, and the block number is #383. The User Gobbler blocked my IP address for the italian page and there is no way for me to contact him, since the only way people can write to him is by using the discussion page which is now unaccessable to me because of my block. So I will write here hoping to get heeded or for instruction on who to speak with.  
  
: Note that things have improved somewhat since this morning - I haven't seen the "guru" error in at least an hour - but the site is definitely still sluggish. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 13:16, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
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The reason for my blocking would be "link spamming", but the only thing I did was inserting in the apposite section for "dove alloggiare", that would be "where to sleep", the names and links to the hotels I manage, since I work for many accomodation facilities. I would say that a link to the hotel main page is not spamming, but information, which, I recon, is the whole purpose of this wiki. If I am doing something wrong, at least I would like to know.
  
:Thank you I will look into this.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:38, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
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Thanks for you help
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[[User:SaraJones|SaraJones]] ([[User talk:SaraJones|talk]]) 05:07, 30 November 2015 (EST)SaraJones
  
:: I'm getting the guru errors again regularly now. Here's the full text:
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:Hi, thanks for your message. I have asked our Italian [[User:GiulioC|admin]] to have a look at this, and he just unblocked your account. If any further questions or issues, just let us know. Thanks! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 10:47, 1 December 2015 (EST)
  
<pre>
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== Sarasota, FL, Travel Guide ==
Error 503 Service Unavailable
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Service Unavailable
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There is a section in this Travel Guide to Sarasota, named “Stay Safe,” to which I had an extremely negative reaction.  My wife and I have tutored at Emma E. Booker Elementary in Newtown for many years, and I presently have two “Little Brothers” who live in Newtown.  To hear this neighborhood described as “notorious for drug related crime” to me is outrageously racist.  None of the many men and women whom I have come to know has anything to do with drug related crime, and I’m sure this is true of the vast majority of Newtown residents.  To label this neighborhood “notorious” is beyond the pale, and betrays a profound ignorance of the real Sarasota. <small>—The [[Project:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:71.99.139.42|71.99.139.42]] ([[User_talk:71.99.139.42|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.99.139.42|contribs]]) </small>
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:Sorry about that, but this is Wikitravel Shared, our '''central coordination point''' and shared repository for '''images and other media''' for all language versions of [[:en:|Wikitravel]]. If you want to discuss the issue you can use the actual [http://wikitravel.org/en/Talk:Sarasota Sarasota talkpage]. Regards, [[User:GiulioC|GiulioC]] ([[User talk:GiulioC|talk]]) 04:52, 30 December 2015 (EST)
  
Guru Meditation:
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== Commons pictures not displaying ==
  
XID: 1848039164
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When I look up Ottawa, the pictures from the Wikimedia Commons are missing. Can you fix it as soon as possible? [[Special:Contributions/174.113.214.250|174.113.214.250]] 21:25, 3 February 2016 (EST)
  
Varnish cache server
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:http://wikitravel.org/en/Ottawa looks fine to me... [[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]]
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:: -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 16:22, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
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== Tuvalu ==
  
:::I think that's helpful.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 17:25, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
 
  
: The site seemed to be down for about the past twenty minutes.  If a page returned it was with the message:
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The map shows Tuvalu as being in the South Atlantic Ocean
  
<pre>
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== CAPITAL OF GREECE ==
This wiki has a problem
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Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
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Capital of Greece before Nafplion was Aegina (Egina).
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
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(Cannot contact the database server: Too many connections)
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== St. Augustine Page Issues ==
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: While it's functional for now, it took 30-45 seconds for the preview of this edit to appear. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 13:05, 30 July 2012 (EDT)
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I am trying to add a hotel listing but the normal add a listing feature is not working. When I try to add it manually, it does not format correctly. I don't know what to do without the correct add a listing feature being offered. <small>—The [[Project:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User: BayfrontMarinHouse|BayfrontMarinHouse]] ([[User_talk: BayfrontMarinHouse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BayfrontMarinHouse|contribs]]) </small>
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:Hi, I see a listing added by you on the St. Augustine page so I assume all is ok now? If you are trying to add a different listing, please let us know. Thanks! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 18:22, 20 March 2016 (EDT)
  
::We have deployed a code update that will require the site's cache to rebuild today, slowing performance until the cache is again whole. Usually this takes a day, give or take, with performance steadily increasing to pre-update levels. Early in this process, it's possible you will see a 503 error. Thank you--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 14:19, 30 July 2012 (EDT)
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== Monastery Taxiarchis Michail ==
  
:What about this problem?
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Hi
  
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This Monastery Taxiarchis Michail of Panormitis is stuated in Symi island close to Rhodes and not in the Rhodes island near Laerma. <small>—The [[Project:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:85.76.81.179|85.76.81.179]] ([[User_talk:85.76.81.179|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/85.76.81.179|contribs]]) </small>
Internal error
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Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
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:Hi, thanks for the info, but you should use the article's talkpage. This is Wikitravel Shared. [[User:GiulioC|GiulioC]] ([[User talk:GiulioC|talk]]) 04:26, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
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:This occurs when I try to edit a talk page, such as a heretofore empty user talk page. In my opinion, this renders Wikitravel non-functional, and it's been like this for days now. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 22:05, 2 August 2012 (EDT)
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the prices listed in the centro Mexico city section - and I assume some other sections - are perhaps misleading: the $ should be identified as pesos, not US dollars.[[Special:Contributions/98.113.163.248|98.113.163.248]] 10:04, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
  
== Email notifications ==
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:Hello, thanks for sharing the info but you should use the article's talkpage. This is Wikitravel Shared. [[User:GiulioC|GiulioC]] ([[User talk:GiulioC|talk]]) 10:27, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
  
Today, email notifications have been enabled. The feature defaults to "off" so you will not receive any until you switch it on and confirm your email in your User Profile.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:43, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
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== Problem with edit summary since software upgrade ==
:Seems to work fine for me. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 16:40, 21 August 2012 (EDT)
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==Site notice==
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Since the software upgrade on the English WT a month ago, sometimes when I do an edit, click "Show changes", write an edit summary, and try to save it, a pop-up asks me to write another, separate edit summary. The heading of the pop-up is <nowiki>"Publish to {{SITENAME}}"</nowiki>. I reported this at [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Travellers'_pub#New_Update_Today.21 WT EN pub] a week after the upgrade. The problem is still happening. [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 05:52, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
I have added a new bug report, [[Tech:Admin rights missing for MediaWiki message]]. For some reason, I cannot change the site notice on sv: and the one we have now is a bit silly, since it says that summer of 2012 is here... well, the summer is soon gone, so it would be nice to change it into something else. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 16:40, 21 August 2012 (EDT)
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:'''Same here''' I am--of course--experiencing the same issue but I ''can'' save if I hit Enter again. Is that true for you as well, Nurg? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:23, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
  
:Hi. I asked the same question and '''"[[:en:User talk:IBobi#Regarding "ja:MediaWiki:Sitenotice"|here]]"''' seems to be the answer.--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 09:52, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
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::The edit summary is to be added in the pop-up only, once you hit publish, all will show up in the summary field then. As [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] says, you can hit enter and it will save it anyway but then no summary will show. It would probably help to de-activate the old summary field, which I shared with tech already. [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 06:11, 10 July 2016 (EDT)
  
== Database work this weekend ==
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== Illegal page ==
As we are experiencing some latent edit errors, our DB team will be working this weekend to track the issue. As a result there may be periodic short or longterm outages to edits this weekend. Reading Wikitravel should not be interrupted at any time; if you are unable to reach Wikitravel at all, please contact me at paul (dot) obrien (at) internetbrands (dot com). Thank you,--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 20:34, 24 August 2012 (EDT)
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:Hi all, again this week our staff is hard at work on some changes to the site, to continue to optimize the user experience. This resulted in a short read-only window earlier today, but the site is now fully editable. So Plunge Forward! Thank you,--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 20:37, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
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::Why did the site become read-only to all users except yourself and the "bureacraut" group? Sounds like an awful attempt at censoring the changes that are going on. [[Special:Contributions/118.209.240.222|118.209.240.222]] 02:32, 4 September 2012 (EDT)
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I suggest that you delete the following page as it is illegal to offer fake official documents:
  
==Right to vanish policy==
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http://wikitravel.org/es/Usuario_discusi%C3%B3n:Marcusmoore1
I feel that we lack a right to vanish policy. The meatball version is to be found [http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToVanish here]. The Wikipedia version is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Courtesy_vanishing here]. Suggestion: import the current Wikipedia version. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 09:46, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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==:ja Thumbnail error?==
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:Looks like this was taken care of. [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 09:44, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
  
It seems that we cannot display the shared image when we want to use them as thumbnail images. See [[:ja:クアラルンプール#列車で]]. I tried several times and it doesn't work, unfortunately. It happens so frequently these days.--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 17:14, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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== Request photo change on Avebury page ==
:Thank you -- I have reported this to Tech.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 17:49, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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::It still doesn't work (it seems that the system or database is very much unstable.). When I try to use the image, it often displays the error messages such as "サムネイルの作成中にエラーが発生しました：convert: unable to open image `/var/www/wikitravel/upload/shared/thumb/e/ec/Gondola_cable,_Langkawi,_Kedah,_Malaysia.JPG/160px-Gondola_cable,_Langkawi,_Kedah,_Malaysia.JPG': Permission denied @ blob.c/OpenBlob/2480.", instead ('''see also [[:ja:ランカウイ島#遊ぶ|here]]'''). 'Seems not always happens, but happens so frequently.
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::Anyway, I am very much in trouble for about a week and I think this is an urgent matter.--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 12:55, 15 September 2012 (EDT)
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The photo captioned Avebury on the page about Avebury is not Avebury and is misleading and should be replacved by one that actually is of Avebury
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http://wikitravel.org/en/Avebury
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[[User:Slartibartfast|Slartibartfast]] ([[User talk:Slartibartfast|talk]]) 03:23, 26 August 2016 (EDT)
  
:::Edit: Of the two reports, the latter has fixed automatically and the display is now back to its normal. --[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 09:10, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
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Thanks for pointing that out. Would you be able to find a picture yourself for this article? If not, I will have a look and change it soonest. [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 11:46, 29 August 2016 (EDT)

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My eddition is being deleted[edit]

How can i save my information?

Please send me the instraction

Learn= The Callan school is offers Russian classes with native speakers 240/KG.Contact details : url=http://www.callanschool.in.kg/ Skype: callanschool1, callanschool@mail.ru Cell phone: +996707890405


Work= The Callan school employs European teachers for teaching English language and may have free accommodation. traveling please visit url="http://www.tuk.kg/" Contact details : url=http://www.callanschool.in.kg/ Skype: callanschool1, callanschool@mail.ru Cell phone:+996707890405


Thanks, Sabrina

Touting See here: http://wikitravel.org/ru/Wikitravel:%D0%9D%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B5 Koavf (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2015 (EDT)


Hi! I've added a listing and hit save, I see it listed on the page, but when I go back the next day, it's gone. It shows in my user contribution, it shows in the revision history, but after adding when I reload the page, it does not show as a listing any longer. I've tried to add the listing several times now and it's still not showing on the page after refreshing. I'm concerned that I'm either doing something wrong or will be touting. Thanks for any help in resolving this!

Please provide a link Where are you editing exactly? Which page? I'd be happy to help but I need something more precise, please. Koavf (talk) 23:40, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

User name + password not accepted, OpenID disabled - how to get my user back?[edit]

Dear all, I did not log in for quite a while but edited as anonymous. Mea culpa. Now, when I wanted to log in again. I used to do that via OpenID, but that function seems to be disabled?! When I try to log in via user name + password, which I saved 7 years ago in KeePass so they shall be correct, these credentials are not accepted. I tried to let me send a new password, but that does not work (error message: There is no email address recorded for user "Schoschi"). I do would like to continue to use my user and not create a new user "schoschi2" or the like. How can I solve that problem? Thank you, http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Schoschi --85.212.79.184 07:43, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

Hi, did you try to just create user "schoschi" again? I looked through all the logs and this name does not appear anywhere, so maybe it has been deleted by the system as it was not used for so long. Give it a try and let us know. Thanks! Adzas (talk) 10:05, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
I tried to log-in as well as to get a new password as well as to create a user with my old name. The latter was denied because that username is already in use, and my user page http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Schoschi still exists - so I guess my user sill exists. --Schoschi 2015-04-13 22:07
Likely you never registered the username at WT Shared, but just at WT English. Just register it here at Shared and you're good to go. IBobi talk email 17:09, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
OK, and where do I find the "register at WT shared" page? The link on the top right always leads me to http://wikitravel.org/wiki/de/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden&type=signup (Firefox) or http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup (Opera) and on both pages I get the error message "Username entered already in use." --Schoschi 2015-04-13 22:07 I found out that the target of the link "Create account" on the top right differs depending on the currently visited page; here in the pub page, it leads to http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup where I could successfully create a new user http://wikitravel.org/shared/User:Schoschi with my old name :) Sadly, I can't login with that user to the EN and DE pages/guides; what do I have to do for that? And how do I merge that one with my existing one http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Schoschi so my old edits, watchpages,... are available. Thank you for hints :) --Schoschi (talk) 16:48, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
Hi again. There is no merged account -- you simply make an account with the same username) if available) at each of the sites you wish to edit. If at some point you run into a site where your preferred username is taken, just contact me or another admin and we'll help you get the same username across all sites you wish to edit. IBobi talk email 19:07, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
Hi IBobi, thank you for the offer :) I want to edit in DE and EN sites, and would like to do so with one user name, preferable "Schoschi", and if that's impossible, "GeorgD". --Schoschi (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2015 (EDT)
BTW, when I click "email" in your signature, I get "You cannot send email to other users on this wiki". --Schoschi (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2015 (EDT)

Editing Zipolite[edit]

Hello,

I have been adding to the "Zipolite" page for several days now. I tried to post a picture of the sunset in the SEE section. Im not an expert with codes, so I still havent been able to add the picture properly. This is kind of annoying, but not the big issue.

The problem is that when Zipolite page is opened, the formatting has been changed. The "Sleep" and "Eat" sections have been combined with each other, and the page looks awful.

I then go back to the edit screen to try and fix the mess, and the formatting on the editing screen is correct, it should look perfect when opened up.

Any ideas...am I going to have to copy the whole page, then start over and paste it all together to make the page look correct again?

Help please!!!

Hi Mike -- please see IBcaldera's notes to you on your talk page: http://wikitravel.org/en/User_talk:Themikebrown78. You may want to set up your preferences there and here, so that you are alerted when someone writes to you. I'm sure IBcaldera can help you format! Welcome! IBobi talk email 20:41, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

Cleveland Ohio Climate[edit]

I don't know why, but the Climate by Month information for Cleveland Ohio is very wrong for the summer months. It lists the Daily highs for July as 113 degrees Farenheit. That's absurd. It's not Palm Springs it's Cleveland.... I would say May-August are all very wrong and off by 20-30 degrees.

I'm not sure what weather source is typically used by WikiTravel. But Intellicast backs up my assertions that the values for Cleveland are our of whack.

I wanted to bring this to someone's attention. Hopefully someone who is more aware of the editing policies can eventually apply an update.

Thank you for the heads up! The numbers are now up-to-date! IBcaldera (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2015 (EDT)

Authenticated - sometimes[edit]

I'm logged in OK here but when I go to the main Wikitravel page or to a town page I'm not, and when I try and log in I get permission error. What gives? Owen (talk) 05:53, 23 April 2015 (EDT)Owen

Logging in There is no single-user login at Wikitravel: you must create accounts at each language edition you wish to edit and login separately there. Koavf (talk) 10:22, 23 April 2015 (EDT)

Untitled[edit]

Hello I just wanted to say that there is a mistake in your webpage,the house Mugarretenea in Hondarribia is in Calle San Nicolas Number 2 and not 13

Plunge forward Anyone can edit the site, so we'd be happy to have you fix any errors you find. Do you need help with editing? Koavf (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

SPOT AN ADVERTISING LINK AT George Town travel guide - Wikitravel[edit]

Have a check...

(Under Section: SEE. Both links to a private tours agent selling website: http://www.penangtourchannel.com/ )

Laywiki (talk) 06:24, 2 July 2015 (EDT)

Hi, thanks for letting us know. The information has been removed from the article. In future if you see something like that please feel free to remove it yourself and just explain in the summary field why you removed it. We appreciate your help and are looking forward to further edits from you. Thanks! Adzas (talk) 07:09, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

jodokusinn no Spam!!!!!!!!![edit]

Hello dear team I recently put on a post of my place in Montezuma as I am new I did not totally understood how I worked and created a post but afterwards did not see it so I created the post 4 times and when I finally figured out how to put me on the page I put me down 4 times in no way I was able to delete my posts as i tried to do that.. as it stated It did not recognize my log in the day after I had been deleted and blocked for being a spammer that is absolutely not correct and all I wanted it to put my space on the map

Bin bin in China without any help or explanation besides I am a spammer blocked me.

what to do to get back on the map in a good way As an innkeeper of Jodokus Inn

I do not understand how to talk to BinBin to explain as I do not see that option how to create that conversation please help.

Which edition? Wikitravel is published in over 20 languages: which one was the one where you had this problem? Koavf (talk) 00:36, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hi, I checked the Montezuma article, and the reason your edit was reverted was because you added your listing four times in the same article, which is against our policies. I don´t see your IP address blocked though, so have a look through our guidelines and try again. Any questions, please let us know. Thanks! Adzas (talk) 10:59, 20 August 2015 (EDT)

Photo not allowed[edit]

Hi, This photo is mine : http://wikitravel.org/fr/Fichier:Salar_challviri_sud.jpg I never give any authorization to use it. Please, don't use this picture without mention of my name. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. All violation will be procecuted by law. Best regards Patrick Chatelier

  • Attribution I'm confused: are you saying to not use it at all or are you saying that you want attribution with use? Koavf (talk) 11:50, 19 August 2015 (EDT)

Template for displaying non-latin languages[edit]

I'm currently editing the article about Bangkok and have made the experience that there is no template that allows users to display words in Thai script in an appropriate way. At least I haven't found it yet.

Voyage has a good template for displaying non-latin scripts by using the following markup (Thai example):

{{ThS|กรุงเทพๆ|w=Krung Thep|b=Bangkok|a=grung teep|i=IPA}}

Parameter 1 is the template ID, parameter 2 is the text in its original script, w parameter is the official transcription into latin alphabet, b the translation, a the pronunciation (if it differs from the official transcription). i shows the characters in IPA.

It'd be really helpful. —The preceding comment was added by Thaikolja (talkcontribs)


Problem with Pictures[edit]

"Housten we have a problem! Images of Commons will not be displayed. Please help!--Gf (talk) 06:09, 9 November 2015 (EST)

My Italian profile has been blocked[edit]

My IP is 88.49.22.25, and the block number is #383. The User Gobbler blocked my IP address for the italian page and there is no way for me to contact him, since the only way people can write to him is by using the discussion page which is now unaccessable to me because of my block. So I will write here hoping to get heeded or for instruction on who to speak with.

The reason for my blocking would be "link spamming", but the only thing I did was inserting in the apposite section for "dove alloggiare", that would be "where to sleep", the names and links to the hotels I manage, since I work for many accomodation facilities. I would say that a link to the hotel main page is not spamming, but information, which, I recon, is the whole purpose of this wiki. If I am doing something wrong, at least I would like to know.

Thanks for you help SaraJones (talk) 05:07, 30 November 2015 (EST)SaraJones

Hi, thanks for your message. I have asked our Italian admin to have a look at this, and he just unblocked your account. If any further questions or issues, just let us know. Thanks! Adzas (talk) 10:47, 1 December 2015 (EST)

Sarasota, FL, Travel Guide[edit]

There is a section in this Travel Guide to Sarasota, named “Stay Safe,” to which I had an extremely negative reaction. My wife and I have tutored at Emma E. Booker Elementary in Newtown for many years, and I presently have two “Little Brothers” who live in Newtown. To hear this neighborhood described as “notorious for drug related crime” to me is outrageously racist. None of the many men and women whom I have come to know has anything to do with drug related crime, and I’m sure this is true of the vast majority of Newtown residents. To label this neighborhood “notorious” is beyond the pale, and betrays a profound ignorance of the real Sarasota. —The preceding comment was added by 71.99.139.42 (talkcontribs)

Sorry about that, but this is Wikitravel Shared, our central coordination point and shared repository for images and other media for all language versions of Wikitravel. If you want to discuss the issue you can use the actual Sarasota talkpage. Regards, GiulioC (talk) 04:52, 30 December 2015 (EST)

Commons pictures not displaying[edit]

When I look up Ottawa, the pictures from the Wikimedia Commons are missing. Can you fix it as soon as possible? 174.113.214.250 21:25, 3 February 2016 (EST)

http://wikitravel.org/en/Ottawa looks fine to me... IBobi talk email

Tuvalu[edit]

The map shows Tuvalu as being in the South Atlantic Ocean

CAPITAL OF GREECE[edit]

Capital of Greece before Nafplion was Aegina (Egina).

St. Augustine Page Issues[edit]

I am trying to add a hotel listing but the normal add a listing feature is not working. When I try to add it manually, it does not format correctly. I don't know what to do without the correct add a listing feature being offered. —The preceding comment was added by BayfrontMarinHouse (talkcontribs)

Hi, I see a listing added by you on the St. Augustine page so I assume all is ok now? If you are trying to add a different listing, please let us know. Thanks! Adzas (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2016 (EDT)

Monastery Taxiarchis Michail[edit]

Hi

This Monastery Taxiarchis Michail of Panormitis is stuated in Symi island close to Rhodes and not in the Rhodes island near Laerma. —The preceding comment was added by 85.76.81.179 (talkcontribs)

Hi, thanks for the info, but you should use the article's talkpage. This is Wikitravel Shared. GiulioC (talk) 04:26, 13 May 2016 (EDT)

the prices listed in the centro Mexico city section - and I assume some other sections - are perhaps misleading: the $ should be identified as pesos, not US dollars.98.113.163.248 10:04, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Hello, thanks for sharing the info but you should use the article's talkpage. This is Wikitravel Shared. GiulioC (talk) 10:27, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Problem with edit summary since software upgrade[edit]

Since the software upgrade on the English WT a month ago, sometimes when I do an edit, click "Show changes", write an edit summary, and try to save it, a pop-up asks me to write another, separate edit summary. The heading of the pop-up is "Publish to {{SITENAME}}". I reported this at WT EN pub a week after the upgrade. The problem is still happening. Nurg (talk) 05:52, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

Same here I am--of course--experiencing the same issue but I can save if I hit Enter again. Is that true for you as well, Nurg? Koavf (talk) 09:23, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
The edit summary is to be added in the pop-up only, once you hit publish, all will show up in the summary field then. As Koavf says, you can hit enter and it will save it anyway but then no summary will show. It would probably help to de-activate the old summary field, which I shared with tech already. Adzas (talk) 06:11, 10 July 2016 (EDT)

Illegal page[edit]

I suggest that you delete the following page as it is illegal to offer fake official documents:

http://wikitravel.org/es/Usuario_discusi%C3%B3n:Marcusmoore1

Looks like this was taken care of. Adzas (talk) 09:44, 28 July 2016 (EDT)

Request photo change on Avebury page[edit]

The photo captioned Avebury on the page about Avebury is not Avebury and is misleading and should be replacved by one that actually is of Avebury http://wikitravel.org/en/Avebury Slartibartfast (talk) 03:23, 26 August 2016 (EDT)

Thanks for pointing that out. Would you be able to find a picture yourself for this article? If not, I will have a look and change it soonest. Adzas (talk) 11:46, 29 August 2016 (EDT)
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