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The Uncyclomedia Foundation domain http://uncyclomedia.org is currently just a redirect to UnMeta; the rest of this domain is empty. Would it be worth trying to find a use for the spare capacity (such as assigning your_name @ uncyclomedia.org e-mail address to known members of the cabal or using subdomains under uncyclomedia.org to host web content? --Carlb 11:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I dunno, but it could be used either as a redirect to a parody ( http://uncyclomediafoundation.org ) or as a parody itself of http://wikimediafoundation.org ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 11:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC) PS: On babel: are you sure that there are only 3 other wikis that use babel UnCommons? PPS: Make that 6.

There are four at the moment, fi: (hiki.pedia.ws), hu: (unciklo.pedia.ws), nl: (onziclo.pedie.info) and pt: (desciclo.pedia.ws). Those are all on the same server, the others are not.

Not sure what we could do with Uncylomedia foundation without overlapping meta. --Carlb 13:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it may be about as much of a success as UnMeta --Atomsk.gif Kaizer the Bjorn takkun Takkun (nya nya) (1961 model!) Check out T61! 23:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, it is just a redirect to UnMeta. If it were to remain that way, but were to beat out UnMeta by three points in the Nielsen ratings "sweeps", now that would be amusing.
Other than that? Unless we needed to host something other than a wiki, I can't see much use for it. A proper forum system where people can't edit other's posts? An auction site where we auction off all the useless substubs that normally end up on NRV? Dunno. --Carlb 23:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

whatever.uncyclopedia.org?

I don't see what can be done with uncyclomedia.org, we could make one of these, that would work for me, beyond that I'm drawing a blank. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 15:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, let's do that. And I still think we should group all of uncyc's language projects to whatever.uncyclopedia.org. Tompkinssig Smallturtle t o m p k i n s  blah. ﺞوﻦ וףה ՃՄ ண்ஸ ފއހ วอฏม +տ trade websites 17:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been saying that for a while. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 17:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
whatever.uncyclopedia.info will usually redirect you somewhere sensible (and is used by the search box on the babble mainpage to reach the individual-language search results for any selected language). The same is not true on whatever.uncyclopedia.org - which uses Wikia's nameservers and always lands right here on en: regardless of the subdomain requested. --Carlb 22:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Would it ever be possible for us to start moving foreign language uncyclopedia's to the whatever.uncyclopedia.org name? Because, if it's possible, I think we should push for it. Tompkinssig Smallturtle t o m p k i n s  blah. ﺞوﻦ וףה ՃՄ ண்ஸ ފއހ วอฏม +տ trade websites 19:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Technically? de.uncyclopedia.org and de.uncyclopedia.wikia.com already have the same IP address. It would just require a few lines be changed in the Apache web server config file, httpd.conf (eg: ServerName www.example.net and ServerAlias *.example.net). Unfortunately, if we're Wikia-hosted, only Wikia staff have access to configure anything.
Politically? Forget it. Ain't gonna happen. The uncyclopedia.org and chronarion.org names are the property of Chronarion, the *.wikia.com names are the property of Wikia Inc. With the encyclopædia pages themselves being under some sort of free license, Wikia's only means of obtaining ownership over the projects is to host them all under Wikia-owned domain names using Wikia's common user list. If the original community that started the project moves elsewhere, Wikia still owns the original domain name and can use it to operate the old project in direct competition with the original community's shiny-new external site and domain. Presumably, they can't do this to uncyclopedia.org itself because Chron still owns the name. They don't like that; they had tolerated it for en: because the project already had six thousand pages of content long before it had anything to do with Wikia, but as Babel projects split off as separate wikia you can be certain that Wikia will *not* allow them to be subdomains under any domain owned by Chronarion or anyone other than Wikia Inc. --Carlb 22:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... See, I figured there's be some problem like that... Couldn't we at least create redirects? I mean, we'd have the jurisdiction to do that, since it's chron's name, and I don't think anyone would really mind a redirect... I just think it'd be nice to be able to group all of the uncyckipedias together, beside just listing them all on the same page... Tompkinssig Smallturtle t o m p k i n s  blah. ﺞوﻦ וףה ՃՄ ண்ஸ ފއހ วอฏม +տ trade websites 01:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
That's what xx.uncyclopedia.info does.
The problem with trying to do this for *.uncyclopedia.org is that the domain name registration for uncyclopedia.org lists Wikia as the nameserver. Wikia's nameserver will return the same address (that of this wiki) for every subdomain in *.uncyclopedia.org. I doubt that Wikia would change that for us and asking Chron to change the domain registration to point to some other domain name server does seem a bit extreme. Theoretically, it could be done by changing the domain registration and having the new domain name servers return Wikia's IP address just for en.uncyclopedia.org, www.uncyclopedia.org or uncyclopedia.org.
Still, I don't think Wikia would like that one bit. It would look a little too much like a first step toward moving en: itself, something which we likely don't want to do unless en: itself were seriously broken here at Wikia. That could get ugly. Furthermore, it doesn't get us the German Uncyclopedia at http://de.uncyclopedia.org - all it gets us is a redirect at http://de.uncyclopedia.org which rather visibly sends the browser to http://de.uncyclopedia.wikia.com. Every link on every page once there would be pointing to the *.wikia.com addresses, not to the redirected de.uncyclopedia.org domain. Yuck. So not much point messing with this if the only reason for it is to fix babel page addresses. --Carlb 02:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

whatever.uncyclomedia.org as a mirror site?

Instead of creating a mess of redirects at uncyclomedia.org (redundant if we already have those at uncyclopedia.info) or messing with the domain registration for uncyclopedia.org (risky as if it goes wrong it breaks the main site), perhaps the only use for uncyclomedia.org would be to create a full set of mirrors on one server.

Rent a Linux rack-mount PC in a data centre. Dump any of our existing externally-hosted projects there, whether Uncyclopedia-related or not. Create a full set of two dozen wikis there (one for each of the twenty-two languages, plus commons and meta). Copy the existing databases for all of these scattered projects onto the one server, with pointers back from each page to the corresponding text on the original projects.

Set up the inter-language links so that they work for every language, not just a half-dozen or so. Create the links in projects which have none, such as German. Build a proper commons: that works for all the languages instead of just a tiny handful. Install a proper namespace editor and interwiki link editor. Use a consistent naming scheme (so that the Whateverpedia in xx language is whatever.pedia.ws and is mirrored to xx.uncyclomedia.org). Move existing external projects (where feasible) off shared hosting and dump the whole mess onto one solid server.

Fix the license terms to acknowledge that a translation from a non-GFDL page on en.uncyclopedia is *not* GFDL, unless the original author says otherwise. Remove the ads. Stop installing software that breaks the table codes. Create a user list which isn't shared with non-Uncyclomedia projects.

That way, we'd have one consistently-named and properly-configured full set of the pages and wikis from these various scattered projects in one place. It would still be only a mirror, but the chances of being able to turn the current mess that is uncyclopedia.org *.uncyclopedia.wikia.com *.wikia.com *.somerandomsite... into anything coherent seem to be pretty close to zero at the moment. --Carlb 15:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree with moving all the assorted language projects into on easy to digest area, whether it's at *.uncyclopedia.org, *.uncyclomedia.org, or *.uncylopedia.info, I don't care, as long as they're in the same place and a true commons is set up and all the rough edges are smoothed out. I'm more or less completely for the above proposal. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 17:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

There's probably a good reason for this, but why don't we stick UnMeta @ uncyclopmedia.org, instead of an ugly URL on chronarion.org? --The Rt. Hon. BarryC Icons-flag-gb MUN (Symposium!) Sigh. Double Sigh. 17:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Like http://meta.wikimedia.org but http://meta.uncyclomedia.org ? Good idea. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 17:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

meta.uncyclomedia.org

I've copied pretty much all of UnMeta (except for the userlist) onto http://meta.uncyclomedia.org --Carlb 11:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Good, but there's a little problem. Check out the Uncategorised pages - they all have categories, which are not listed in the category list and show up as unused. Needs to be fixed. ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 15:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Very cool this is. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 15:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
The sidebar needs to be changed, most of the links in the sidebar are broken, mainly "Community portal" needs to be changed to "Runnings-on" (part of the Main namespace), also current events needs to be changed to "Uncyclomedia News". - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 15:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Right now if you go to http://uncyclomedia.org it is a redirect to http://meta.uncyclopedia.info, which appears to be exactly the same as http://meta.uncyclomedia.org, but with a different user list, what's up with that? - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 15:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I see the same user list on meta.uncyclomedia.org and meta.uncyclopedia.info - is there any chance that your browser (or your ISP) has cached an outdated copy of one of these pages instead of the current version? Does hitting 'refresh' or 'reload' make this go away?
As for the uncategorised pages? It looks like, when a page is imported from XML using Special:Import, MediaWiki does not update the categories, page count, "what links here" or the list of which images are in use. This issue seems to go away as soon as the page is edited and saved (even if nothing is changed). One possible solution would be to have a 'bot "touch" every page in the wiki (edit/save with no change) to force an update of the category and image lists. --Carlb 17:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Good idea. But what'd we call it? ~ Ghelæ talkcontribs 18:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Someone just (accidentally I presume) overwrote Meta with the Netherlands Uncyclopedia, this needs to be undone! - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 19:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. Back to normal. meta:How to become a MediaWiki hacker is still a mess, but I presume that much was deliberate? --Carlb 21:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I can't seem to find a meta:image:Unsource.png anywhere - it doesn't exist on Chron's site or on the new site, and there is no file by that name on en:. Was there ever a logo for Unsource:? It's used by meta:unsource/demo --Carlb 22:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think there is an Unsource logo, or that there has ever been one. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 23:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Should there be an UnSource: namespace? --Carlb 01:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Sure, why not? Maybe it will get some real content then instead of floating as a never used Demo main page, I say make Unsource a namespace. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 02:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal

So, is someone with the ability to going to make one of these at http://uncyclomedia.org/, because I think it would be neat. If someone does do it, I think it should be HTML and not Wiki based, because the portal at http://wikimedia.org/ appears to be HTML and I see no reason ours can't (same thing goes for the Babel portal at http://uncyclopedia.info/). - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 23:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The http://uncyclomedia.org page as a collection of logos for various projects? The corresponding projects either exist or have been proposed in Uncyclomedia, however we do seem to be short a couple of logos. The page will need to be fixed up once we have the rest.
Should the Uncyclopedia logo contain a link to en: or a link to the list of all Uncyclopædias?
For http://uncyclopedia.info I'm not sure static HTML is the way to go, as that page need to be updated often to change page counts or add new wikiprojects. Importing the page counts automatically from Special:Statistics?action=raw won't work - even if we had an app to do that, it would break as soon as any of the projects are on Wikia (they replace Special:Statistics with some other nonsense page that only contains HTML links). --Carlb 05:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that the Uncyclopedia logo should link to uncyclopedia.info, though I think that it would be better to use the en. logo rather than the .info logo (different font and all, and seeing how the rest use en. logos).
That is a good point about .info and HTML, Wikipedia figured out a way to do it, so we probably could too, but I guess we really don't need to, though I do think there is a pain in the ass factor we could avoid by not updating the individual page count for every Uncyclopedia language project. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 16:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia creates the HTML on a protected page on meta.wikimedia.org, then has a programme copy it to their HTML main page. They omit article count for all but the top ten and round down the rest in order to keep the number of updates within reason. --Carlb 18:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Word, BTW, frikkin' love the UnSpecies logo, I literally clapped upon seeing it, though the hue is wrong, I'm glad to see that the orange badger is still getting use. - Sir Real Hamster {la} {talk} {contribs} 19:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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