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Regarding the localisation[edit]

How could I start a page like the Russian one please? I couldn't find the entry. — Unsigned, by: Police / talk / contribs

@Police There are a few pages already in Chinese and you can use them for starting points: Category:Chinese. You can find help on creating a page here: Help:New Article ("The easiest way to create the page is to 'search' for the title using 'Go' and click on 'create this page'. (Make sure your title's pretty though.") Making a page in Chinese shouldn't be any different than any other language. Before you save the page, make sure to add this at the bottom of the page, "[[Category:Chinese]]" so that it gets listed along with the other pages in the Chinese category. If we ever get to having a largish number of pages in Chinese then we'll consider making a domain for them like Russian. Bongolian (talk) 06:47, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bongolian Thanks for the reply, but I still have some uncertain things to figure out. For example, how could I create a translated page for http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/wiki/Josh_Axe? Could you give me a hand? I find the structure here is quite different from normal Wikipedia website, and I don't want to make a mess here. Police (talk) 08:13, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Police I suggest you start by creating a draft like this one. Just type rationalwiki.nom.pw/wiki/Draft: followed by whatever Josh Axe's Chinese name is. Then click on "Create" and start writing. You can then take as long as you like to do the translation and it can be moved out of draft space and into main space when you've finished it. Even though I can't read or write Chinese my experience here in general, and my experience creating translations in particular, probably means I will be able to help you a little. Spud (talk) 11:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spud Thanks. I have created a draft here: http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/w/index.php?title=Draft:Josh_Axe_(Simplified_Chinese), but I still find the edit page is quite difficult for translation because it uses so many tags/marks and while sometimes the order of words have to be adjusted. It there a more user-friendly way to edit it in a "preview" mode? Police (talk) 07:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Police You know, you really should rename that draft so that its title is Josh Axe's Chinese name written in Chinese characters.
I didn't copypaste the English text for any translation I did. I wrote my translation on paper first, a few paragraphs at a time, and then copied those few paragraphs onto the draft page. I usually added the notes and references after I'd completed a section. I found it easier that way. But that's just me.
So to answer your question, no, I don't think there's really any easier way of doing it. Like I said before, take your time. There's no hurry. And maybe you could edit the pages that are already in our Chinese category a little. That might help you get more of a feel for wiki editing. Spud (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
And @Police, in response to what you asked me on Discord, it's really already been said. It's really not a good idea to create another separate wiki like the Russian one in Chinese, or any other language, at the moment. After a lot of articles in Chinese are created, then we can consider it. Spud (talk) 11:42, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spud Thanks again for your tips. Speaking of the localisation of his name, I believe it's better to keep his name in English, because many who introduced him to Chinese readers didn't translate his name either. And if I translated his name in Chinese, Chinese readers may have no idea who we describe here. Police (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Spud A new question please. How could I translate the banner on the right side? Like "Against allopathy Alternative medicine Icon alt med alt.svg Clinically unproven" Police (talk) 07:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Police OK, I can understand your reason for not transliterating his name. But you should translate the name of the language in parentheses after it. You will see other articles with titles like that in the Chinese category.
So, you're asking about translating the alternative medicine nav template. Again, I don't think that's a good idea just yet. The point of those templates is that point readers towards other articles. And since there aren't any other articles on alternative medicine in Chinese yet, there's nothing to point them towards. However, if you really want a template<, I suggest that you make a request in the Saloon bar. I don't know how to make one. But I'm sure that somebody else could create a template for you with text in English that you could translate into Chinese. But I'd really wait until there are more articles that could go into a Chinese-language alternative medicine category before asking for that. Spud (talk) 11:28, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Concern trolling template[edit]

Rough storm pirate.png Ahoy, matey!
Beware, for there be a great sea of
Concern Troll Bullshit ahead!

At last, she be finished! Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 15:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini Lovely jubbly! You know, I think I will use that AND alter the headings of any future Unlicensed Thinker posts in the "Surprise, sur-fucking-prise" way I mentioned earlier. Spud (talk) 16:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Christophobia vs Islamophobia comparison[edit]

According to you "Be aware that Christophobia and persecution of Christians are not the same thing". How is Christophobia not the same as Islamophobia when they can both lead to the same outcome. What persecution does a Christian have to suffer before it can be termed "Christophobia"? There is a clear double standard between the two articles, so why do you object to those examples I added? BirdWord

"Islamophobia" is a widely used and understood term. "Christophobia" is not. The term "Christophobia" appears to be mainly used by people who have no idea what it means to live in constant fear of your life simply because of your religion. You are doing no favours to people who were murdered because of their religion by lumping them in with a bunch of arseholes whining on the internet about how they are being persecuted by the secular liberals. Spud (talk) 05:59, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
And new threads on a user talk page go at the bottom, not at the top. Spud (talk) 06:04, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining how the threads work on Talk Pages. About the term "Christophobia" if, for example, the survivors of the Sri Lanka Easter Bombings or Christians living in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia started using that term, would their plights? Also, please explain how persecution of Christians isn't Christophobia when Christophobia can lead to those things just like Muslims and Islamophobia. I understand what you're saying about use of the term, but things are changing and the term is starting to gain in usage and these sort of incidents are on the rise; it's less often people with a persecution complex or anti-left-wing paranoia using that term. For example, why didn't the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting count but the Christchurch shooting did? So what examples do you think would be appropriate to add to the Christophobia page? Especially since the Islamophobia page has the courtesy to distinguish between Muslims genuinely suffering for their religious beliefs and people using the term out of paranoia or a political agenda; just please give Christianity the same standards Islam is given. BirdWord (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2019)
Also, why does the article say Christophobia is a real thing if it's a term used by people you claim are conspiracy theorists looking to blame everything on "evil liberals"? If you're going to acknowledge it's a real thing, there should be examples. Besides, even atheists like Richard Dawkins (who, iirc, was once considered a hero by this site) and Sargon of Akkad (in this video with the similar title "Christianophobia", as seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNhC5gq8AQ0&t=1s ) have acknowledged anti-Christian double standards and discrimination are on the rise. BirdWord (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2019)

AD vs CE[edit]

When S.H. DeLong wrote the article, he began with the AD method of dating, so I just kept it like that for consistency's sake (and at that point, the dating was the least of our problems). I think we started it like that because a lot of the historiography surrounding Rome and Byzantium uses AD/BC. Just letting you know. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I really think we should always use BCE and CE here. Except, of course, when it's part of a quote, a book title or something like that. On Wikipedia, I have sometimes reluctantly changed BCE and CE to BC and AD for consistency. But I much prefer making the change the other way round. Spud (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I mean, I'm certainly not going to stop you. But I don't seem to remember us having a consistent policy on BC/AD vs. BCE/CE. Perhaps we should make one if we don't? RoninMacbeth (talk) 06:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I think you're right. I don't think we have an official policy about using BCE and CE. Maybe we should. Anyway, for now, every time I see BC and AD used, I will change them. Spud (talk) 06:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
BCE/CE is widely considered to be the more secular and religiously-neutral dating system, so I think we should go with that. Considering, y'know, what website we're on. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 06:51, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Exactly! Especially considering that Conservapedia got started after Andy Schlafly was shocked when one of his home-schooled students used BCE/CE and he found out she'dd learned it from Wikipedia. If it wasn't for that nasty secular BCE/CE, there would have been no Conservapedia, and consequently, no RationalWiki either. Spud (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
And there was me always using AD/BC because i'm dumb. :) — Dysk (contribs) 10:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Messages[edit]

I sent you a message on Discord. Cheers! Dr. Ox quack specialist 07:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I think I'm too late now, right? Anyway, I'm really not the least bit interested in Discord. That's why I didn't add the Discord userbox to my user page or add myself to the list of RatWikians on Discord. I never had a clue what was going on there and I stopped looking at it altogether a couple of weeks ago. Spud (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

翻译[edit]

你从来没有告诉我你翻译的名字。Oxyaena Harass 09:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Oxyaena I'm sorry, although I've lived in Taiwan for more than 16 years, I only know about 20 words of Chinese (and half of those are the numbers one to ten) and I cannot read or write it at all. So I'm afraid I haven't got a clue what you just said. Spud (talk) 11:49, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Use Google Translate. Oxyaena Harass 11:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Ceci est un dialogue de sourds. Spud (talk) 11:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
الصم هم الناس أيضًا. Oxyaena Harass 12:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

"Twat" is not an appropriate block message[edit]

New user, trying to argue with an article in the article instead of on the talk page, obviously wrong, but maybe not familiar with wiki etiquette. 9 hours is a perfectly reasonable block time, but I think you could have pushed them to discussing their thoughts on the talk page instead of saying "twat". In short, don't be so black, kettle. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 12:45, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

That time of year again[edit]

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. — Dysk (contribs) 17:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Just remembered that you're a Board member, so I'm copy pasting what I asked LGM[edit]

What's it like being on the Board of Trustees? Is it demanding? I'm trying to decide whether I should throw my name in for the election. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 07:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini It's not really very demanding. In order to accommodate me in my UTC+8 time zone, you would have to attend a meeting via Skype at what would probably be quite early on a Saturday or Sunday morning for you. I hope that's not a problem. (That's a question I will be asking all the candidates). Spud (talk) 08:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@DuceMoosolini I've just remembered that I'm up for re-election and might not get voted in this time. So accommodating my time zone might not be an issue any more. Mind you, a meeting time will probably need to be set that will suit people in the US and Europe. Spud (talk) 10:07, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
I think you and Human both ought to be reelected, so I'm gonna wait to see how competitive things get before I throw my hat in the ring. I want to scoop up the empty seat, not bump you out of yours. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 19:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Board election[edit]

Since you are one of the people that accepted their nomination to the 2019 RationalMedia board of trustees election, you should go to the campaigning page and post your best propaganda post-haste. Good luck! — Dysk (contribs) 12:15, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Why does he get to be listed at the top of the sociology category page?[edit]

The first line of each article sums up pretty well the foundational value these guys had in the field of sociology. Whether that really warrants special categorization is a more subjective matter, of course. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:A522:4425:C33D:25EF (talk) 11:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it does. Spud (talk) 11:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations[edit]

Per the results, you have won a seat on the RMF board. Have fun. — Dysk (contribs) 09:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

thanks...[edit]

...for deleting the Gandhi article. I thought maybe it would be down to me as I started the process, but wasn't sure just how that was done. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@AMassiveGay No problem and you're welcome. Spud (talk) 12:07, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

New Portuguese articles[edit]

What do you think of the two new Portuguese articles (9/11 (português) and ‎USA PATRIOT Act (português))? They seem to be close to, but not exact, Google translations. Delete? Bongolian (talk) 17:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Bongolian
English for DeepL Translator: These articles were translated by an Internet translator and revised by a Brazilian: Me! I don't think it's necessary to write that my native language is Portuguese. Therefore, there is no danger with me!
Português por mim mesmo: Esses artigos foram traduzidos por um tradutor da Internet e revisados por um brasileiro: Eu! Acho que não é necessário escrever que minha língua nativa é o português. Portanto, comigo não há perigo!
JPLSilva (talk) 21:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@Bongolian I have deleted them. The user who posted them has just admitted to them being proofread machine translations. That's exactly the same as the Italian translations that I deleted a little over a year ago. And at least they were posted by people who could speak English and could compare the machine translation to the original. (Although I don't think they did a very good job of that.)
@JPLSilva I'm very sorry, but if you don't speak English, I really don't think you have anything to contribute here. You won't be able to communicate with other users, which is an important part of editing a wiki like this one. And you cannot translate articles if you do not understand the language they are written in. You might think you can correct mistakes in the machine translation. But if you can't understand the original article, you can't compare it to the machine translation. How can you be sure the translation is right? Besides, I feel that relying on machine translations is just lazy. I have done translations here that I have spent days and weeks doing. I don't think it's right that someone else can create a translation with just a few clicks. Spud (talk) 06:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I translated it from my English skills, and I turned to Google Translate for help when needed. Be aware that those articles are under construction, which means I didn't abandon them. The links are in red because I always add "Português" to their end, but don't worry, I know what I'm doing.DabUnicorn.png SmalkadeContribsSandboxEC 12:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@Smalkade Since they're unfinished, I have moved your translations to Draft:Apocalipse and Draft:RationalWiki (português). You can move them back to mainspace when you've finished them. Occasionally referring to Google Translate while doing a translation, in the same way that you'd refer to a dictionary or grammar book, is fine. It's relying mostly or entirely on it to create a page that's bad. And can you please do something about your signature? Why does it need to create two big white gaps in the text? Spud (talk) 12:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Man, you should have warned me and JPLSilva in advance that incomplete articles should be created within this namespace. Anyway, thank you for clarifying some doubts. Glad to see RationalWiki's QA is tight, so the articles here are well-written. DabUnicorn.png SmalkadeContribsSandboxEC 13:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

English for DeepL Translator: If that were the case, I wouldn't even have created an account on this wiki. I guess I'll have to ask a bureaucrat to delete my account and contributions. I was so excited about the goals of RationalWiki... I warn you, the administrators of this wiki, that this discourages users from all over the world who are really interested in the ideals of RationalWiki, but do not have an advanced knowledge of English. The fact that I have to know your language unfortunately reminds me of Conservapedia.
Português por mim mesmo: Se fosse por isso, nem teria criado conta nesta wiki. Acho que vou ter que pedir para que um burocrata apague minha conta e contribuições. Estava tão empolgado com os objetivos da RationalWiki... Aviso a vocês, administradores desta wiki, que isso desestimula usuários do mundo todo que realmente estão interessados com os ideais da RationalWiki, mas não tem um conhecimento avançado de inglês. Essa de eu ser obrigado a saber a língua de vocês, infelizmente me faz lembrar a Conservapedia.
JPLSilva (talk) 18:50, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

New translation templates[edit]

I just edited the old ones. Here's a preview of what they look like:

Flag of Esperanto.svg
Haloveno estas versio de ĉi tiu artikolo en Esperanton.

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Halloween (español) es la versión en español de este artículo.

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Si vous voulez cet article en français, il peut être trouvé à Halloween (français).

You might have to go into the articles in which they're used to move them around. I already did that to Halloween. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 21:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Ninja[edit]

Jesus fucking Christ you're filling up recent changes, you have Ninja for a reason, use it. Oxyaena Harass 06:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Can you contribute to the 'Traditional Korean medicine' document?[edit]

I curse and hate oriental medicine very much, but many Koreans don't seem to think TKM so badly. But I don't know much about TKM. Can you contribute if you know any information? sorry..--BluePink (talk) 08:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@BluePink Sorry. I don't think I can. I think you might have made the mistake of taking what's written about me in Fun:The truth about Rationalwiki too seriously. I have no particular interest in debunking alternative medicine and promoting real medicine. I really don't no why DuceMoosolini wrote that I did. But, yeah I know that traditional Chinese medicine is utter crap from the stupid "medical" advice my Taiwanese boss has given me. She actually said I had too much blood in me! That's the same kind of nonsense that you'd have heard if you'd gone to see a doctor in England 700 years ago. Spud (talk)
You can edit your entry in the funspace article if you want to. But BluePink also approached me about this, so I doubt it played a role in anything. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 13:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
@DuceMoosolini Yeah. I see a few users have been sent the same message. A few of the most capable users, you might say. And I like what you wrote about me in The truth about Rationalwiki because it is so completely and utterly untrue. Which I think was your intention. There's a slight danger that other new users will think I have a special interest in alternative medicine. But I can always just tell them that I don't. Like I just did. Spud (talk) 13:30, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 moderator nomination[edit]

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. -- Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 01:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

It was an accident.[edit]

s/he. Acei9 05:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

why remove my post[edit]

I was asking an honest question, what is the problem? Dasnahmynay (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

On this occasion, I was blindly following what GrammarCommie had done. I wouldn't have removed the post if I'd seen it first. I think references to teenage schoolgirls might have raised alarm bells. Spud (talk) 05:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I was about to jump in here and ask the same myself. AceMcWicked 05:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Can you please supplement the document?[edit]

Curebie

I live in a conservative Asian country and don't know much of a progressive or social justice perspective on autistic issues.

You're probably American, can you supplement?

I think you know more about this than I do.--BluePink (talk) 05:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@BluePink I'm English! Don't ever call me American again! Spud (talk) 05:24, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
There was no malice. I'm so sorry.--BluePink (talk) 05:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
@BluePink Don't worry. I wasn't really offended. Spud (talk) 06:27, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I need a favor[edit]

I can't read much of any language outside of English, and a supposed alt-right cartoonist (I say supposed because we've had people just post random people there, so background checking their content is important) has their content in either Spanish or Portuguese. Would you mind taking a crack at it and letting me know if they belong on the page? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:33, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

The content is in Spanish. I think he just about qualifies as alt-right. The art style is obviously influenced by online alt-right cartoons. None of the content appears to be racist or antisemitic But the cartoonist is obviously an anti-feminist and I'd say most of the carttons are downright misogynistic. Spud (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Kept him. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Okay, two favors, since this one has most of his content in Spanish as well. Just to be forewarned, there's a ton of sexism and some homophobia in there as well. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:45, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
There's definitely a lot of objectification of women there. But this seems more like the work of a teenage wanker who gets off on drawing dirty manga than a real woman-hater. Spud (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Removed him. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Poor old Mustafa[edit]

I don't understand the odd animus some other editors have against Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, but I find it very odd and disturbing that some folks want to impose their tribal orthodoxy about the fellow on other users' user pages. As to the tribal conflict itself, I don't have a position and am wholly indifferent to the underlying opinions.

I would have closed that AFD as no consensus. Policing other users' personal pages ought to be unacceptable. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱs. 17:10, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Kemal was a murderer and a genocidal fanatic, I doubt you'd be in favor of supporting shrines to Hitler. Oxyaena Harass 17:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Mike Godwin would doubtless be proud. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Let's just start venerating genocidalists. Oxyaena Harass 23:48, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
A userbox isn't a form of veneration, as far as I know, and I'm pretty sure that's the thrust of the argument here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:17, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Userboxe templates (emphasis on template) are just easy means of expressing little bites of information, a template. As it's been stated, you can make your own userboxes but I don't think we should hold easy-to-use templates for more, let's say, controversial ones. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 04:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced statements in "James Burke"[edit]

I'm a bit of an expert on the topic since James and I were colleagues at the Beeb. I've done what I can but I don't see how we can provide sources for the more discursive material here. Delete some of it? Ithaca8 (talk) 16:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ithaca8 Sure. Go ahead and remove whatever you think needs to be removed. Spud (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Can I then also remove the "sources needed" caution? Ithaca8 (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

For the record...[edit]

the worlds greatest writer was born in west Yorkshire. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@AMassiveGay Since you're talking about Roger Hargreaves, I am quite inclined to admit that you're right and I was wrong. He had a huge impact on my life. If it weren't for Roger Hargreaves, I might never have got into books in the first place. Spud (talk) 13:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey there[edit]

I know it’s been a while, and I’m new etc, so please let me know if I’m out of line but. I’m really sorry to hear about your sister, and while I cannot eat chocolate, I will absolutely have a pack of chips in her honour. Hope you’re doing okay (or at least as okay as possible) and yeah. Meth Right’s Activist (talk) 08:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry. You're not out of line. And I appreciate the message. My sister died at the start of November 2018. I think about her every single day. But obviously, I can't wallow in grief all the time. I'm trying to live the rest of my life the best I can for both of us. Spud (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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