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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:54:52 +1200
Danyl Mclauchlan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122604#post122604 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122604#post122604 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:54:52 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122606#post122606 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122606#post122606

Lance's complaints seem a bit trivial – and so is mine! I don't like it that in Public Address System you can't see who the author of the original post was

That's actually a very good complaint — especially in the case of Speaker guest posts. It just turned out…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:58:25 +1200
Grace Dalley https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122608#post122608 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122608#post122608 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:02:32 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122609#post122609 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122609#post122609 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:08:51 +1200 Danyl Mclauchlan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122610#post122610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122610#post122610 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:10:35 +1200 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122611#post122611 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122611#post122611 Re twitter – never joined, but I've always preferred the concept of Tumblr. Still a "stream o thought" thing that can be followed by friends, but goes beyond short text only and includes sharing video, images, quotes and links that you find and like.

www.tumblr.com

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:15:09 +1200
Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122612#post122612 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122612#post122612 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:17:16 +1200 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122613#post122613 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122613#post122613 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:17:17 +1200 Peter Calder https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122614#post122614 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122614#post122614 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:21:22 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122615#post122615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122615#post122615

Lance's complaints seem a bit trivial – and so is mine!

Well, I thought the thread was, shall we say, stimulating and provocative in the best senses of the word — with the proviso that I don't speak geek.

But one thing that slightly gnawed on my last nerve was…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:21:50 +1200
Roger Lacey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122616#post122616 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122616#post122616

I have one tiny complaint, and that is: the text-size widget doesn't go big enough for me. It needs a few more notches.

Try pressing Command and + or ++ or +++. Oh that's right, you need a Mac first.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:22:54 +1200
Peter Martin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122617#post122617 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122617#post122617

Try pressing Command and + or ++ or +++. Oh that's right, you need a Mac first.

Or Ctrl and + if your are using Firefox.

I think there is a market for lengthy topics. The difference between a newspaper and a magazine.I have never had a problem when the…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:29:33 +1200
David Ritchie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122618#post122618 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122618#post122618

Try pressing Command and + or ++ or +++. Oh that's right, you need a Mac first.

Or not — CTRL+, CTRL- and CTRL-0 work in IE and Firefox on Windows for myself.

Having a whinge about font sizes on the web (nowadays) is like complaining about the loudness of…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:29:40 +1200
Glenn Pearce https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122619#post122619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122619#post122619

Try pressing Command and + or ++ or +++. Oh that's right, you need a Mac first.

Or the Ctrl key and the mouse wheel...

They've thought of everything those Microsoft people ;-)

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:30:08 +1200
Karen White https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122620#post122620 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122620#post122620 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:33:44 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122621#post122621 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122621#post122621 I suspect various people use PA/S in different ways.

I use an RSS feeder, and that picks up new PA posts, but I don't read them in my feeder. I visit the site frequently and look for new posts and newly updated threads.

I never go to the classic page,…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:37:33 +1200
Caleb D'Anvers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122622#post122622 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122622#post122622 Having user profile pages with links to individual comments (a la, say, Metafilter) would be awesome as well. I don't know how technically feasible that is.

But one thing that slightly gnawed on my last nerve was the bitching about PA's more discursive essay-style posts.

Yeah. That irritated me as…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:38:53 +1200
Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122623#post122623 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122623#post122623 Some things I'd like to be improved:

– When I get the daily PA email, all the authors have a little tagline, eg "Hadyn Green yells. A lot." But these don't seem to show up online anywhere – a pity, cos some Mr Slacks are quite funny.

– In PA…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:40:53 +1200
Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122624#post122624 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122624#post122624 And on Twitter and teens, I've heard one really good theory for why Twitter doesn't appeal to teens.

Twitter suits people who are sitting in front of a computer all day and/or have mobile internet on their cellphones. Teens don't have this. They're at school/uni during the day, and most…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:45:54 +1200
Glenn Pearce https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122625#post122625 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122625#post122625 Haven't you just got yourself into the classic buy COTS vs build argument with computer systems.

You've invested so much intellectual capital and $$ into building your bespoke CMS and it fits like a glove to your requirements that it becomes difficult to make the leap to a COTS solution…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:46:59 +1200
David Slack https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122626#post122626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122626#post122626

I've essentially grown up with Hard News (I started listening as a high school kid in '91 or '92), but there's a sense of continuity and history implied in the format — a smooth line of transition from radio broadcast to email bulletin to community blog.

I find myself looking…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:50:08 +1200
3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122627#post122627 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122627#post122627

I'm hoping to have a redesign that better integrates PA "classic" and System in place by the end of the year. And that much-desired edit button will be introduced as part of a revamp of the forums functionality within the month.

Surely you'll be having a thread where the actual…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:50:42 +1200
3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122628#post122628 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122628#post122628

Surely you'll be having a thread where the actual users, ie us, can suggest improvements.

Or is that this thread?

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:54:02 +1200
Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122629#post122629 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122629#post122629

Surely you'll be having a thread where the actual users, ie us, can suggest improvements. That's how it works these days, right?

I have about 5 little things I'd like to see fixed.

Consider this that thread. But I can't promise to do everything ...

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:54:44 +1200
wasabicube https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122630#post122630 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122630#post122630 The Twitter-bashing in the mainstream media is more than a little perverse especially when, as you point out, the criticisms often come from pundits who've never used the service.

I've been a Twitterer since November 2006 and in thrall of the tweets since around August of that year and, in…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:06:04 +1200
81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122631#post122631 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122631#post122631 I don't doubt that I am in a minority here, but I will be quite sad to see the introduction of an edit button to PAS discussion.

Firstly the lack of an edit function pauses my pinkie above enter for just that littlle bit longer; which for me, is no…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:06:45 +1200
Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122632#post122632 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122632#post122632

Promise not to nag about your lack of an edit button ;-)

Classic coming from you Russ. ;-)
Take no notice of Lance and Bryan, they're just too lazy to read quality stuff and need to be spoon fed. RSS feed? pah!.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:07:06 +1200
Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122634#post122634 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122634#post122634

Question – Will the edit functionality be time sensitive ?

Yes.

But I haven't decided what time window is appropriate.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:08:47 +1200
Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122635#post122635 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122635#post122635

Whether it be water-cooler chat, public service announcements, news, argument, discussion, pithy repartee, customer research or a fantastic source of crowd-sourced wisdom, the bottom line is that Twitter is, foremost, a fantastic medium for communication.

That's what I've decided, as a relative newbie. It's now the first icon I click…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:10:13 +1200
Hadyn Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122636#post122636 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122636#post122636

- When I get the daily PA email, all the authors have a little tagline, eg "Hadyn Green yells. A lot." But these don't seem to show up online anywhere – a pity, cos some Mr Slacks are quite funny.

They are on the front page aren't they? I feel…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:10:36 +1200
Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122637#post122637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122637#post122637

what time window is appropriate.

Ten seconds. Oh how I love to watch people panic.
;-)

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:12:03 +1200
3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122638#post122638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122638#post122638

But I can't promise to do everything ...

Well, obviously, but you've got to al least be aware of the problems before you can consider them. Other than those mentioned above, here's a couple.

Italics doesn't work very well. It tilts forward instead of on the spot. Further, you can't…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:12:12 +1200
Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122639#post122639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122639#post122639 And Wordpress! I <3 Wordpress and I'm going to WordCamp (nothing sinister – more like a conference/workshop/love-in).

WP is flexible and really friendly to use. I would absolutely recommend it as a blogging tool, especially to people who aren't confident with HTML.

I've heard that Supermodel is a bit complicated to use, but that side of things doesn't affect me. I don't see any pressing need for PA to switch to WP.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:13:44 +1200
3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122640#post122640 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122640#post122640 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:15:43 +1200 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122641#post122641 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122641#post122641

They are on the front page aren't they? I feel bad for not changing mine.

Oh, they are too. And in different colours for each blogger. Nice.

They don't make it to PAS, though, which is where I spend most of my time.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:20:58 +1200
Tony Parker https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122642#post122642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122642#post122642 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:24:48 +1200 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122643#post122643 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122643#post122643 If you use Firefox as a browser (and why anyone would use IE is beyond me), you increase or decrease text size on web pages (and emails and docs and everything) by holding down control (or apple on a mac) and rolling your scroll wheel. Try it once and you… ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:25:34 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122644#post122644 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122644#post122644 Oh, and something I missed from the original post.

Nielsen has released a split of sites by the % of online forum readers who actually contribute to the forums they're reading.

Public Address came in second, with 50.5% (Real Groove was top with 56% but half our audience, Gameplanet was…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:26:04 +1200
John Fouhy https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122645#post122645 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122645#post122645 I thought some of the complains had merit. I recall having trouble navigating the site for a while. I don't have those troubles now, but that's because I've learnt it — whereas with much of the internet, I'm a native. ^O^

Also, when I signed up here, I posted [[http://repton-infinity.livejournal.com/66600.html|this…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:42:26 +1200
Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122646#post122646 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122646#post122646

(I started listening as a high school kid in '91 or '92

Me too.

I say 'no!' to threaded conversations. They drive me bonkers in other places and I imagine they would here too. But Robyn is way more jazzy than me at this internet lark, so it could just…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:44:58 +1200
Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122647#post122647 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122647#post122647

I say 'no!' to threaded conversations. They drive me bonkers in other places and I imagine they would here too.

I'm the same. So that request is almost certainly going to fall afoul of my personal preferences ...

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:46:24 +1200
Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122648#post122648 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122648#post122648 My suggestion about bold, italic, etc:

You're already committed to Javascript with the preview button. So add some buttons for the formatting and linking. That'll remove all chance of error and deal with a frequent and irritating problem. Chances are that people with Javascript turned off are old-skool paranoid types…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:48:25 +1200
Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122649#post122649 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122649#post122649 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:49:14 +1200 John Fouhy https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122650#post122650 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122650#post122650 Incidentally, I'm not a twitter user (yet..?), but the impression I get of it is that it's for:

  1. Talking to people you know, and
  2. Reading short thoughts from people you don't know.

(I suppose there is also

  1. Sending short thoughts to people following you.

but I don't…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:49:48 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122651#post122651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122651#post122651 I wrote elsewhere that Facebook is Twitter for plonkers, and I stand by that. Being a plonker myself, I appreciate the pace of Facebook very much. I joined for the most ridiculous reason thinking I'd never actually use it but imn fact I use it a lot.

Twitter is something…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:55:21 +1200
Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122652#post122652 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122652#post122652 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:02:19 +1200 Paul Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122653#post122653 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122653#post122653

Lance's post just made me go all 'really? You're complaining about that? REALLY?'

Ditto but then I found myself seriously pissed off at some of the comments Lance's piece illicited. Bryan Spondre's particularly. I resent the conclusion that somehow PAS is difficient becuase it doesn't cohere to some standardised concept…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:02:26 +1200
Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122654#post122654 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122654#post122654

In the model I like (yes, Metafilter, AGAIN) preview does a fresh fetch back from the server so you see your potential comment in the context of the very latest version of the page, allowing you to abort or rewrite.

Word up. I often open a whole other PAS and…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:04:22 +1200
Steve Parks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122655#post122655 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122655#post122655

A feature I'd love to have (which wordpress would provide) is 'new posts since your last visit' highlighted. Then when I revisit the site I can just click the highlighted links to update myself on what people have said, instead of trying to remember when I last checked.

Yep, good…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:04:37 +1200
Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122656#post122656 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122656#post122656 Just to add: these are graduate students.

My attitude to Twitter: I tried it for a couple of months but gave it away when it seemed too much like small talk. I can't do small talk and much prefer the medium-size or big talk that happens here.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:05:47 +1200
3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122657#post122657 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122657#post122657

I started listening as a high school kid in '91 or '92

Me too.

Me too. That's half our lives.

threaded conversations

Please, no. My day is confusing enough already.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:06:16 +1200
Steve Parks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122658#post122658 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122658#post122658

Lance's post just made me go all 'really? You're complaining about that? REALLY?'

In some cases, yeah. Especially the complaint about the '.net address. What's that about??

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:07:33 +1200
Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122659#post122659 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122659#post122659 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:13:16 +1200 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122661#post122661 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122661#post122661 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:16:17 +1200 Phil Lyth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122662#post122662 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122662#post122662 If you use Firefox as a browser (and why anyone would use IE is beyond me), you increase or decrease text size on web pages (and emails and docs and everything) by holding down control (or apple on a mac) and rolling your scroll wheel. Try it once and you… ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:17:10 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122663#post122663 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122663#post122663

It would be nice if the Radio podcasts were a little more prominent, and, yes, I'm being entirely self-interested. :)

You're right though. The mock-up Matt's done for me makes them more prominent.

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Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122664#post122664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122664#post122664 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:19:38 +1200 Phil Bilbrough https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122665#post122665 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122665#post122665 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:24:16 +1200 Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122666#post122666 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122666#post122666 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:25:05 +1200 Paul Litterick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122667#post122667 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122667#post122667 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:25:28 +1200 Idiot Savant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122668#post122668 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122668#post122668

PA posts are "far too long for the internet media"

What, do they have ADD or something?

There's a place for short posts, and a place for long ones. But either way, the length of a post should be determined by what you have to say, not by arbitrary restrictions…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:26:35 +1200
Jamie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122669#post122669 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122669#post122669 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:26:43 +1200 Peter Darlington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122670#post122670 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122670#post122670 Don't take away the long posts on PA. I really like the way several subjects can create a sort of thematic feel and I think it also helps broaden the general conversation with threads meandering off on tangents, finding esoteric links and ambling back again.

One subject posts and the…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:28:51 +1200
Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122671#post122671 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122671#post122671 Just looked at Analytics for Wednesday: 20,000 page impressions!

Thank you Clayton Weatherston and Don Brash.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:30:42 +1200
Paul Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122672#post122672 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122672#post122672

There's a place for short posts, and a place for long ones. But either way, the length of a post should be determined by what you have to say, not by arbitrary restrictions based on the short attention span of business consultants.

Precisely.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:33:57 +1200
Luke Williamson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122674#post122674 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122674#post122674 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:40:28 +1200 Paul Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122675#post122675 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122675#post122675

Thank you Clayton Weatherston and Don Brash.

Ummm, really...

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:40:36 +1200
andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122678#post122678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122678#post122678 Pfft to edit button – what's done is deno. Neevr loko bcka.

gobfrey shrdlu

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:57:58 +1200
Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122679#post122679 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122679#post122679

There's a place for short posts, and a place for long ones. But either way, the length of a post should be determined by what you have to say, not by arbitrary restrictions based on the short attention span of business consultants.

In keeping with National Poetry Day: There's a…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:59:41 +1200
ScottY https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122680#post122680 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122680#post122680 I find complaints about the length of posts on PAS ridiculous. PAS is not just another blogsite, thank god. It's okay to be different.

And for all that I sometimes wonder about the zeal of WordPress afficiandos (it's content platform, not a religion)

Agree. I'm not on Wordpress and my…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:00:55 +1200
Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122681#post122681 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122681#post122681

You're right though. The mock-up Matt's done for me makes them more prominent.

Point out Matt so I don't sexually harass or otherwise harangue him at the Christmas party.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:01:50 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122682#post122682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122682#post122682

In keeping with National Poetry Day: There's a reason why The Illiad, Dante's Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost are very long, and 'There once was a girl from Nantucket' is... not.

Let's not get carried away there big guy. Best single poem in the Italian language, Carducci's M'illumino d'immenso. It's…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:02:02 +1200
Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122683#post122683 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122683#post122683

There's a place for short posts, and a place for long ones. But either way, the length of a post should be determined by what you have to say, not by arbitrary restrictions based on the short attention span of business consultants.

Too long, didn't read.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:05:29 +1200
Peter Darlington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122684#post122684 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122684#post122684

M'illumino d'immenso.

Which Harry Potter spell was that one?

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:05:45 +1200
Jannene Allwood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122685#post122685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122685#post122685 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:07:04 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122687#post122687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122687#post122687

One subject posts and the attendant one note comments day after day after day would be so depressing

I don't think it's a zero sum game, Peter and that's equally missing the point by fixating on form over content. Andrew Sullivan says his blog is often him "thinking out loud"…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:08:48 +1200
Phil Lyth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122688#post122688 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122688#post122688 brief thoughts: Russ, whatever did you do to Drinnan in a previous life?

Could the Ian Dalziel who won the Wordsworth competition (not online) in the Listener this week be anyone known to PAS? An "aviary of knavery" indeed. (Ian might add the rest of his entry if he is nice.)…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:14:02 +1200
Steve Parks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122689#post122689 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122689#post122689

I'm not on Wordpress and my shabby little blog does just fine.

Quite.

And what did Lance mean by this: "...and it [wordpress] makes it trivial to buy and host the site on a personal domain name"?

You can do that with Blogger really easily. Well, I did it, and…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:15:39 +1200
uroskin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122691#post122691 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122691#post122691 My gripe with PA: the multiple subjects in the blog posts (I don't mind their length) make it impossible in the comment sections to react meaningfully. The commentary is on a million different issues and there is no threading possible.
Also, I doubt anyone reads much past page 3 of…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:23:13 +1200
Steve Parks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122692#post122692 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122692#post122692 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:24:15 +1200 Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122694#post122694 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122694#post122694 I read 'em all. Yep. All of them. I read the entire copyright thread. I am insane.

The commentary is on a million different issues and there is no threading possible.

Which is rad. I don't like my commentary in tidy little thread-type packages. (This might just be a question…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:26:50 +1200
Jo S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122696#post122696 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122696#post122696

Public Address came in second, with 50.5% (Real Groove was top with 56% but half our audience, Gameplanet was third with 49% of more than twice our audience).

I think it's great that such a high percentage of the people registered here actually contribute, although I think the moderator may…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:31:18 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122697#post122697 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122697#post122697 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:37 +1200 RaggedJoe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122698#post122698 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122698#post122698 Russell, I don't tweet or Facebook or MySpace cos I can't be bothered. But I do religiously follow Hard News. That's because I've been listening to you since you started on BFM and I have followed you to PA. I have shortcut straight into Hard News and have no problem… ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:43 +1200 Public Servant on a tea-break. https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122699#post122699 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122699#post122699 "... although I think the moderator may have to take some credit for that too ...."

I agree. The tone of discussion here really makes it worthwhile to read the comments. Good work Public Address.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:44:30 +1200
Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122700#post122700 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122700#post122700

gobfrey shrdlu

Etaoin to that.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:48:13 +1200
Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122701#post122701 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122701#post122701

Also, I doubt anyone reads much past page 3 of the commentaries, so I doubt anyone reads this!

Lol

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:50:37 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122703#post122703 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122703#post122703

Also, I doubt anyone reads much past page 3 of the commentaries, so I doubt anyone reads this!

Lol

No, I think Uroskin is spot on there: the copyright thread was 110 pages of writing but really only 3 pages of reading tops.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:52:51 +1200
andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122704#post122704 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122704#post122704

M'illumino d'immenso.

Which Harry Potter spell was that one?

Isn't she is the adult film actress who entered Italian politics?

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:01:35 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122705#post122705 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122705#post122705

Isn't she is the adult film actress who entered Italian politics?

Don't make me get out the Italian stereotype bingo card, 'kay?

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:03:20 +1200
Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122706#post122706 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122706#post122706

I read the entire copyright thread. I am insane.

Cause & effect?

I read pretty much all of every thread & comment where/when I feel like it; but I stopped reading the copyright thread and went back to pushing needles into my eyes. (Purely because it doesn't interest or have an immediate…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:07:25 +1200
Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122708#post122708 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122708#post122708

brief thoughts: Russ, whatever did you do to Drinnan in a previous life?

I really don't know. Honestly.

But I wish he hadn't given senior people at TVNZ the impression this week that I had personally told him things — he'd made a meal out of a couple of comments…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:10:40 +1200
Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122710#post122710 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122710#post122710

I agree. The tone of discussion here really makes it worthwhile to read the comments. Good work Public Address.

Thanks.

One of the things I tried to point out in the discussion on Lance's blog was that spending a lot of time here in the forums was at least as…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:14:07 +1200
Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122711#post122711 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122711#post122711

brief thoughts: Russ, whatever did you do to Drinnan in a previous life?

Wow... that's more than usually snide — you'd think Tony Astle had been handed a blank cheque and invited to bring along the five figure end of the wine list...

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:17:55 +1200
Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122713#post122713 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122713#post122713 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:21:56 +1200 Jonathan Ibell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122714#post122714 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122714#post122714 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:24:08 +1200 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122717#post122717 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122717#post122717 NO THREADING!
I love the way the conversation meanders back and forth between two or three or more themes. I would read LESS on PAS with threaded comments. This is because I am a simple soul, and threading that goes more than one or two deep just confuses me.

Just…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:36:17 +1200
Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122718#post122718 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122718#post122718 Late getting to this, but I have a really good excuse.

Let me see if I can paraphrase this argument:

Lance: I never ever use your cow because it sucks, but let me tell you what your cow is like. Problem #1, it doesn't give enough milk.

People who actually…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:40:45 +1200
Phil Lyth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122719#post122719 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122719#post122719

Nielsen has released a split of sites

Um, I read that as saying there is only one lurker (registered or not) for each person who is commenting. That few? Russ, you've obviously got a truckload of info from Nielsen – care to share more over the next week or too?…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:41:56 +1200
Ben Gracewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122720#post122720 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122720#post122720 Ditto – flag the threading. I'm a proponent of complete RSS feeds, but then again as a budding online publisher, I can see the attraction of partial feeds.

Just looked at Analytics for Wednesday: 20,000 page impressions!

Did I mention that when you linked to me regarding the Karl and…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:42:08 +1200
Tom Beard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122722#post122722 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122722#post122722 Re: the difference between Twitter & Facebook. The distinction seems to be gradually collapsing, but it seems that Twitter is generally favoured by erm, how shall I put it? Early adopters? Techonology enthusiasts? Oh, all right, geeks.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But I can't do what some of…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:42:54 +1200
3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122723#post122723 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122723#post122723

That's a horse.

Usually, we just tape a buncha cats together.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:43:34 +1200
Ian Fish https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122724#post122724 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122724#post122724 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:45:23 +1200 Ben Gracewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122725#post122725 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122725#post122725 Ugh, just Karl, although "the Karl" is probably more correct nomenclature.

And @nzben, while we're doing that.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:46:49 +1200
Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122726#post122726 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122726#post122726

Did I mention that when you linked to me regarding the Karl and the painted ladies, I got more hits than NBR, Computerworld, and NZHerald Technology combined?

I've had various things linked in Hard News posts and seen a spike in my web stats, but a few weeks ago Giovanni…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:49:12 +1200
James Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122727#post122727 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122727#post122727 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:50:03 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122728#post122728 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122728#post122728 Oh, yeah. It's not immediately obvious:
@Ghetsuhm

I LOVE twitter. It's always one of the first tabs I open. It does social calendar, banal personal trivia, poetry, word-games with British comedians – whatever you want it to do.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:50:12 +1200
andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122729#post122729 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122729#post122729

Isn't she is the adult film actress who entered Italian politics?

Don't make me get out the Italian stereotype bingo card, 'kay?

Noted. I'll refrain from mentioning the Italian politician who entered... etc.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:51:45 +1200
Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122730#post122730 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122730#post122730

Lance: I never ever use your cow because it sucks, but let me tell you what your cow is like. Problem #1, it doesn't give enough milk.

People who actually use PA: Um dude? That's a horse.

Furthermore, that's not a teat you're pulling on.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:59:35 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122731#post122731 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122731#post122731

I've had various things linked in Hard News posts and seen a spike in my web stats, but a few weeks ago Giovanni made a comment here with a link to something I'd written and it gave me a similarly big jump in numbers. Really cool!

Let's try this again.…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:02:26 +1200
jeff constable https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122732#post122732 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122732#post122732 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:02:52 +1200 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122733#post122733 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122733#post122733 Can't say I would be a fan of threaded discussions either – but I am desperately trying to think of a way of making replies self tagging somehow.

I also can't remember the last time I went to PA rather than PAS.

Facebook is quickly falling into the category of…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:08:38 +1200
Paul Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122734#post122734 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122734#post122734

Lance: I never ever use your cow because it sucks, but let me tell you what your cow is like. Problem #1, it doesn't give enough milk.

People who actually use PA: Um dude? That's a horse.

Oh f*ck it! I was over at Lance's blog wanking on about incommensurability…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:08:42 +1200
st ephen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122735#post122735 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122735#post122735

Don't make me get out the Italian stereotype bingo card, 'kay?

How could you, what with your arms waving around like that and all...

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:09:01 +1200
Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122736#post122736 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122736#post122736

Craig, I hope that clean shirt/one sock invite is for Drinnan rather than me.

Hey, if you've got the time I be waaay slutty. But, seriously, who hasn't faced a blank screen and a deadline while not having anything worth saying? I can forgive that, but Drinnan seems to have…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:12:26 +1200
Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122737#post122737 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122737#post122737 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:14:32 +1200 Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122738#post122738 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122738#post122738 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:14:34 +1200 Peter Darlington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122739#post122739 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122739#post122739

but Twitter in NZ still seem to appeal more to people who are interested in technology for its own sake. As strange as it may seem, there are people out there who don't know what Webstock or Foo Camp are, think that CSS is a Brazilian electro band,

Weird, I'm…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:15:50 +1200
Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122740#post122740 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122740#post122740 the multiple subjects in the blog posts (I don't mind their length) make it impossible in the comment sections to react meaningfully. The commentary is on a million different issues and there is no threading possible. Hmm. I'm not entirely sure what threading is. Is that when there are different… ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:22:00 +1200 FletcherB https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122741#post122741 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122741#post122741 My suggestion....

At the top of each page, you have links for "System > Public Address Cafe >" and a little below that, "Page 1 2 3 4 5 6" of the topic I'm in.....

Then at the bottom, you have the "Page 1 2 3 4 5 6" repeated,…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:24:54 +1200
David Hamilton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122742#post122742 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122742#post122742 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:24:54 +1200 FletcherB https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122743#post122743 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122743#post122743 And yes, I'd also support the requests of others for a "skip to where I was up to last" feature (not that I know how you'd do that?).

If you don't consciously remember what page number you're up to in a quickly moving thread, (I'm getting better at it), it…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:29:38 +1200
David Hamilton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122744#post122744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122744#post122744 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:32:54 +1200 Tim Michie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122745#post122745 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122745#post122745 I too like the length of the Public Address blogs but hey, if it's haiku you want, haiku is here...

The Community of Weblogs aspect of Public Address may seem foreign to others as it is one of the points of difference. Even the OED defines a weblog as "typically…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:35:13 +1200
Morgan Nichol https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122746#post122746 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122746#post122746 Will the new version of the site give me the ability to go back in time and slap my cursor away from the Post Reply button?

That'd come in really handy.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:35:55 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122748#post122748 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122748#post122748

Will the new version of the site give me the ability to go back in time and slap my cursor away from the Post Reply button?

That'd come in really handy.

Heh... You don't know how many times I have longed retroactively for that feature. Also regarding an email I…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:39:33 +1200
Morgan Nichol https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122750#post122750 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122750#post122750

Point out Matt so I don't sexually harass or otherwise harangue him at the Christmas party.

He's the handsome one with a super lovely wife and adorable little children. Actually that doesn't really narrow it down with the CactusLads does it?

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:41:31 +1200
3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122751#post122751 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122751#post122751

Will the new version of the site give me the ability to go back in time and slap my cursor away from the Post Reply button?

Consider the 'What was I thinking?!' comment a rite of passage. We've all done it. :)

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:43:47 +1200
James Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122752#post122752 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122752#post122752

Stupid SMTP should have filters for that kind of thing.

gmail has a cancel feature that works for a short period of time. But the ability to unsend before the email has been POP'ed on the other end would be handy. OTOH hand, if SMTP had functionality like that, would…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:43:50 +1200
David Hamilton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122753#post122753 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122753#post122753 drunken messages. Surely some adaptive text analysis could catch most of the conscious but regrettable ones too. ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:52:45 +1200 Phil Lyth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122754#post122754 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122754#post122754 Mail Goggles ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:53:19 +1200 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122756#post122756 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122756#post122756 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:04:54 +1200 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122757#post122757 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122757#post122757

Mail Goggles

Enabled.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:07:55 +1200
Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122758#post122758 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122758#post122758

I'm not entirely sure what threading is

Judging by what people are writing, I think threading can mean two different things.

1. messages grouped by a category. Like your classic bulletin board or forum software. So here at PAS, there's one thread per blog post, but maybe people would like…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:11:15 +1200
Kong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122759#post122759 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122759#post122759 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:16:19 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122760#post122760 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122760#post122760

I would have replied to your insensitive slur sooner but it's Friday so I was busy voting in a new government.

Ka-boom tissch!

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:20:39 +1200
James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122761#post122761 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122761#post122761

Judging by what people are writing, I think threading can mean two different things.

...

The multithreadedness of PA debates gives it much more of a community feel.

There's a third for you :-)

If I may mix my metaphors, the tradeoff is between locality of reference, and narrative flow.…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:22:49 +1200
Josh Addison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122763#post122763 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122763#post122763 Twitter and Facebook seem like apples and oranges to me – one's a community site, one's a blogging format. That said, when people used to ask me what Twitter was, I'd say "you know the little status bit on your Facebook page? Twitter is basically just that by itself."

For…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:26:11 +1200
Mark Harris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122765#post122765 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122765#post122765 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:33:17 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122766#post122766 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122766#post122766 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:34:07 +1200 Kong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122767#post122767 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122767#post122767 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:39:42 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122768#post122768 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122768#post122768

Russ, one improvement could be to allow people to add their Twitter (or identi.ca) name to their profile, like we do with email and websites.

Good idea. We can add that field.

I was also thinking of an automatically-populated list of all the websites people enter in their profiles.

But…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:44:33 +1200
Kong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122769#post122769 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122769#post122769 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:56:19 +1200 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122770#post122770 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122770#post122770

I say 'no!' to threaded conversations. They drive me bonkers in other places and I imagine they would here too.

I'm the same. So that request is almost certainly going to fall afoul of my personal preferences ...

I've seen one place where it worked really well: The old Sir…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:58:56 +1200
Ben Gracewood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122771#post122771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122771#post122771

A whole page of links to (mostly) low-traffic sites would pretty much nuke our Google ranking

If true, that's really interesting. I had no idea that outbound links counted against one's pagerank. I thought nofollow was just to stop spam commenters from
gaining any of your Google juice.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:33:25 +1200
Kong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122772#post122772 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122772#post122772 My understanding was that the true pagerank formula was one of Google's best kept secrets, for perfectly understandable competitive advantage reasons. Also if people don't know the exact system, they can't find the loopholes so easily.

I'd guess that dropping pagerank for lots of outbound links to low pagerank sites…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:46:04 +1200
Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122773#post122773 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122773#post122773

My understanding was that the true pagerank formula was one of Google's best kept secrets

I believe this explains it.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:51:27 +1200
Kong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122774#post122774 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122774#post122774 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:56:25 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122775#post122775 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122775#post122775 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:58:09 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122776#post122776 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122776#post122776 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:58:17 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122777#post122777 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122777#post122777 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:04:46 +1200 Michael Homer https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122778#post122778 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122778#post122778 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:42:05 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122779#post122779 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122779#post122779

We can add that field.

I hate harping on about Metafilter, but another rather nice feature it has goes like this. Members have profile pages, and when you create your profile, there is a large list of "social" sites (Librarything, LastFM, Linkedin, whatever) and you can add all the ones…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:49:26 +1200
Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122780#post122780 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122780#post122780 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:00 +1200 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122781#post122781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122781#post122781

Consider the 'What was I thinking?!' comment a rite of passage. We've all done it. :)

I just worry when I get that feeling again and again and again......

Is there any point in beefing up the search tool ?

For me a good PAS thread is like a big…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:51:01 +1200
Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122783#post122783 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122783#post122783

OMG. You are joe's spleen!

Actually, Danielle, that's Stephen's tongue, prominently displayed on his Metafilter page.

I really think Stephen ought to have warned us before he posted that link.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:17:39 +1200
Evan Yates https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122784#post122784 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122784#post122784 PA (and PAS) has been so popular for me that my workplace has now blocked the whole domain.

I have to wait until I get home to read it now. My commenting (while never hugely frequent or insightful) has dropped right off. I never seem to have anything new to…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:29:36 +1200
Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122785#post122785 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122785#post122785 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:33:10 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122786#post122786 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122786#post122786 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:34:42 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122788#post122788 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122788#post122788 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:45:38 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122789#post122789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122789#post122789 Ooo Jackie – I'm with the Shambols too!
(O, also the shrdlus...has anyone got a recording of the encounter between the last desert shrdlu & and the laaaast desert kumquat?)

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:54:42 +1200
Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122790#post122790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122790#post122790

CTRL+, CTRL- and CTRL-0 work in IE and Firefox on Windows for myself.

It works, wonderful thanks, nice big font. Good, I'll be able to keep reading PA till I'm 100.

But I'm not so sure about the party analogy – I'm one of those people who has to find…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:58:33 +1200
mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122791#post122791 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122791#post122791 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:02:22 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122792#post122792 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122792#post122792 Hilary, that's when we go out of the kitchen into the garden & have a good old natter under the moon (or the evening sun...)

mark taslov- 'nother thread, 'nother comment from you: response: nah, not doing jury duty, just being south...it was the kind of trial (of Clayton W.) that…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:17:52 +1200
Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122793#post122793 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122793#post122793

Don't make me get out the Italian stereotype bingo card, 'kay?

You'll be telling us you don't like techno next..

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:19:44 +1200
giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122794#post122794 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122794#post122794

Lance's complaint is blocked in China.

Yeah, sorry, I did that.

On a different topic: earlier today on this very thread I unaccountably attributed the poem M'illumino d'immenso to Giosuè Carducci, whereas of course it's by Giuseppe Ungaretti. The shame! But it's a testimony to the class of the PAS…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:21:32 +1200
Caleb D'Anvers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122795#post122795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122795#post122795 I hate harping on about Metafilter, but another rather nice feature it has goes like this. Members have profile pages, and when you create your profile, there is a large list of "social" sites (Librarything, LastFM, Linkedin, whatever) and you can add all the ones that you belong to if… ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:24 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122796#post122796 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122796#post122796

Stupid SMTP should have filters for that kind of thing.

I hate to point out an advantage of MS proprietary stuff over Internet standards, but Exchange has done "recall" for several years now. It even works, sometimes.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:03:27 +1200
Paul Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122797#post122797 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122797#post122797

The shame! But it's a testimony to the class of the PAS readership that somebody pointed this out to me discreetly via email rather than exposing me to the public humiliation that I most assuredly deserved.

You're lucky pal, I was sooo going to tell the whole group... then where'd…

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:08:52 +1200
mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122798#post122798 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122798#post122798

You're lucky pal, I was sooo going to tell the whole group... then where'd you be aye?

I sense an element of duress contributed to Mr Tiso's admission.

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Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:50:17 +1200
Mark Harris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122800#post122800 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122800#post122800 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:39:42 +1200 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122802#post122802 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122802#post122802

just being south...

I hope you had a nice time, probably not such a bad time to not have internet access.

re: the site, could I suggest ever so slightly larger avatars or would that take up too much space?

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:11:54 +1200
Ben Austin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122804#post122804 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122804#post122804 What I don't get is why anyone would think it necessary or worthwhile to make a complaint about the use of .net in a domain. Or was that a point about marketing/ SEO that I just don't get?

Also, I add my vote to keeping your posts in the current…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:07:13 +1200
Peter Ashby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122805#post122805 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122805#post122805 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:12:26 +1200 Peter Ashby https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122806#post122806 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122806#post122806 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:13:44 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122807#post122807 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122807#post122807 Giovanni, you go up even more in my estimation.

Whatever the attribution It still sounds like a Harry Potter spell, as some astute Potterphile noted upthread.

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:14:32 +1200
Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122810#post122810 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122810#post122810 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:52:44 +1200 Isabel Hitchings https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122812#post122812 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122812#post122812 Top of my list would be something to indicate which comments have and haven't been read – I've sometimes given up on longer, fast moving, threads because I just can't figure out where I'm up to.

No to threading but a way to directly reply to posts and maybe to…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:53:11 +1200
Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122814#post122814 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122814#post122814 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:31:32 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122816#post122816 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122816#post122816

One thing though, I keep being logged out of PAS after a few minutes of not posting. Doesn't happen in other sites. Is that a feature or a bug?

Tick the box below login that says "Stay logged on to this computer?"

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:42:16 +1200
Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122817#post122817 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122817#post122817 Jackie – Jackie Sturm is a wonderful writer – and woman. Yer best kind of librarian, and sharp as-

Spiral collective #5 (Iri Ramsden, Marian Evans, and Miriama Evans) was formed to publish 3 books. among them an excellent collection of short stories entitled "The House of the Talking Cat",…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:54:35 +1200
Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122818#post122818 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122818#post122818 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:59:43 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122820#post122820 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122820#post122820 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:47:16 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122821#post122821 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122821#post122821 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:03:02 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122822#post122822 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122822#post122822 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:15:17 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122823#post122823 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122823#post122823

3410, I have the same problem, and I have ticked that box *many* times.

I should've realised it wouldn't be quite that easy. :)

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:16:41 +1200
Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122824#post122824 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122824#post122824 I have long had the same problem with log in, apparently something to do with the history memory cache?
These are just words and don't really mean anything to me but I do note that I don't have this problem on other sites
I, as others have noted would like…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:47:38 +1200
Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122825#post122825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122825#post122825 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:50:31 +1200 James Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122826#post122826 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122826#post122826 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:21:26 +1200 Kong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122827#post122827 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122827#post122827 Isabel

No to threading but a way to directly reply to posts and maybe to notify people when they have been directly replied to would be good.

That one's easy: Address them by name as the first thing in your post. If necessary, quote a snippet of what it is…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:13:51 +1200
Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122830#post122830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122830#post122830 I have just spent a good while trying to find out when and where I can hear Public Address Radio. No help from this site at all apart from being able to hear some extracts from earlier programmes.

So please, in the upgrade could you tell us when and where…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:05:28 +1200
Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122831#post122831 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122831#post122831 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:06:38 +1200 steven crawford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122832#post122832 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122832#post122832

LOL James, plugging GB English. Much tho I disagree with American Imperialism, I think they have the best spelling.

I just use what ever spelling, the spellchecker I happen to have at hand suggests. If Public Address System had a built in dictionary, that was open to modification, I would…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:42:39 +1200
Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122833#post122833 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122833#post122833 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:49:03 +1200 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122834#post122834 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122834#post122834 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:50:53 +1200 Isabel Hitchings https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122835#post122835 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122835#post122835 Kong

That one's easy: Address them by name as the first thing in your post. If necessary, quote a snippet of what it is you're replying to. It's a good habit anyway, for disambiguation, and other-reader convenience.

I do that. I even do that on sites where you reply to…

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:52:13 +1200
Heather W. https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122836#post122836 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122836#post122836 So please, in the upgrade could you tell us when and where it is aired and provide a link. I have no idea where Radio Live is on the dial – this is a Radio NZ house, and I strenuously avoid radio with ads – but I see you can… ]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:06:41 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122837#post122837 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122837#post122837 land of the free, I just install dictionaries for whatever language I like, and when I'm composing email (using Evolution) I tell… ]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:22:57 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122838#post122838 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-short-and-long-of-it/?p=122838#post122838 Stephen Judd – great news!
Ngata dictionary- and if that isnt free-but-for-acknowledgment, Kia Tahu would work on't- cheers!

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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:40:29 +1200
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