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Re: A Modest Proposal

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Many thanks to all for such thoughtful answers to this somewhat thorny
issue.  It seems that the only thing that would help without having a down
side to it is to foster more of a relationship with the patrons who need
this technology.  Perhaps even having a quick conversation as to what use
the laptop would have (without appearing intrusive, of course).  Something
along the lines of, "We offer training in that and can suggest resources
for it."  I believe that would help quite a bit.

I also thought of something along the lines of Andrew's mention of Tech
Goes Home.  We have quite a few old laptops that wouldn't be able to
practically run any supported version of Windows, and I've been planning on
installing a minimalist version of Linux on them and giving them away.  We
could certainly offer one to a patron who's remiss in returning one of the
circulating laptops.

In late-breaking news, we decided upon the use of Hexnode UEM
<https://www.hexnode.com/> over Scalefusion <https://scalefusion.com/> to
remotely manage the laptops.  While Scalefusion could have done just as
well, we had a hard time with their responsiveness.  With Hexnode, we
successfully tested running a script that disables the user and logs the
user out.  Booting from a different device is also disabled, so this should
effectively disable the laptop.

Btw, I find it a tad amusing that staff have turned to me for a technical
solution for this.  God bless 'em, they do their utmost to accommodate
patrons, especially with circulating laptops, overriding ILS blocks and the
such.  This dialogue which I've been sharing with them has been fantastic
in raising awareness and so will hopefully result in a better handle on
this sort of circulation.

Many thanks once again.  Y'all are great.

John Lolis
Coordinator of Computer Systems

100 Martine Avenue
White Plains, NY  10601

tel: 1.914.422.1497
fax: 1.914.422.1452

https://whiteplainslibrary.org/

*“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that
can’t be questioned.”*
— Richard Feynman
<https://click.fourhourmail.com/5qure95xkf7hvvo93wh2/7qh7h8h05vr4zrtz/aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvUmljaGFyZF9GZXlubWFu>,
theoretical physicist and recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965


On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 12:57, Andrew Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> We are having a similar conversation at our library at the moment. We're
> seeing the number of items that "walk" increase year after year.[1] One of
> the factors we identified is that many of the patrons coming in to borrow
> our hotspots are not regular library users, and may not be familiar with
> the general operations of the library. So one solution we settled on was an
> "orientation" that we read with the patron every time they check out a
> hotspot, which they then sign.[2] The patron also provides us with a
> current address and phone number, so we know we're not relying on a
> potentially years old one in the ILS. (We shred this information on the
> item's return.) Having an up-to-date phone number and reaching out when the
> item is overdue has been fairly effective.
>
> To my mind, the biggest problem with our program is that it is a band-aid,
> and even as a band-aid it fails to cover many of our patrons' needs. I
> think a much better model is something like Tech Goes Home[3] where patrons
> receive personal technology training and once they have completed the
> course then they get to keep the hardware. Obviously, this is a much larger
> commitment, one that I have not undertaken myself.
>
> Ignoring all that messy human stuff and focusing on the technical side, if
> the laptops you lend have Intel AMT[4] (vPro) you can remotely
> shutdown/lock/wipe/lock at the firmware level. There is also Prey[5], which
> is an anti-theft software.
>
> Best of luck,
> Andrew
>
> [1] 2020 was actually one of the years we lost the fewest hotspots. Some of
> that might be we were closed for two months and then had a phased
> reopening, but it still surprised me.
> [2] Personally, this still feels somewhat lecture-y to me, and I remain to
> be convinced of its efficacy.
> [3] https://www.techgoeshome.org/
> [4]
>
> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/vpro/overview.html
> [5] https://preyproject.com
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 10:24 PM Anne Slaughter <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I completely agree with Natasha’s excellent response and points made by
> > others, and am glad that your library is having thorough conversations
> > about this before rolling anything out. As a former public librarian and
> > longtime public employee, I understand how challenging it is to
> responsibly
> > and transparently allocate limited resources to tools and services that
> > truly address the needs in your community and facilitate meaningful
> digital
> > inclusion.
> >
> > If you’re looking at collecting credit card or other sensitive personal
> or
> > financial information – what exactly would you then be doing with that
> > information, and how long would you keep it on file? Would it even be
> > useful in a loss scenario? What unintended consequences might arise? From
> > the IT budgeting perspective, IMO the cost of doing business involves
> > accepting and anticipating the inevitability of some loss or damage, and
> > having procedures for responding to it compassionately that don’t
> > unintentionally compromise the equity of access to services by assigning
> > moral values or restrictions based on socioeconomic status to
> higher-value
> > items in the collection. Anyone, regardless of socioeconomic status,
> could
> > lose or damage an item, but not everyone can easily absorb the impact of
> > the consequences for it. The scale here is admittedly a bit different
> than
> > late fees for traditional print or AV materials, but if you look at the
> > data around libraries going fine-free, there are considerable overhead
> > administrative costs and intangible costs for applying financial
> > consequences to patrons that ultimately end in no one coming out “ahead.”
> >
> > Finally, I echo the suggestion to look at grant opportunities. There are
> > currently historic levels of funding being appropriated at the federal
> and
> > state levels to support not just expansion of broadband availability, but
> > meaningful adoption of technology, with support for digital inclusion
> > concepts and tactics like device lending programs baked in to the overall
> > strategies. With the caveat that there can be a lot of process and
> > administrative red tape involved with securing and using said funding,
> > there may be opportunities out there for your library to use grant
> funding
> > for this, especially if you can partner with other libraries,
> > municipalities, or other agencies supporting this type of work. The
> > National Digital Inclusion Alliance (https://www.digitalinclusion.org/)
> > or New York state’s ConnectALL initiative (https://broadband.ny.gov/)
> > might be useful to you.
> >
> > Anne Slaughter
> > Director of Technology Services
> > Reaching Across Illinois Library System
> > Burr Ridge Office
> > Phone: 630-734-5127
> > Fax: 630.734.5050
> > [log in to unmask]<mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > https://www.railslibraries.info
> >
> > From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Natasha
> > Allen
> > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 2:11 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] A Modest Proposal
> >
> > Respectfully, I also agree with your colleague that it's not best to
> assume
> > what a person, regardless of their housing situation, uses an item for.
> As
> > you say, those who check out items like these may not even have a credit
> > card and requiring one would, more likely than not, put an additional
> > hardship on the folks most likely to take out higher value items. Even
> > folks who are housed frequently have issues with their credit.
> >
> > I agree with Lena and others, it sounds like some conversations should be
> > had with patrons and possibly their support networks, if possible, to
> > discover why items are not being returned. As they mention above, being
> > unhoused opens one up to any number of hardships, including theft,
> > violence, mental and physical health, and exposure to natural elements,
> not
> > to mention lack of transportation and other forms of support that can
> lead
> > to a device not being returned. Many times this isn't the person's fault
> > but they end up getting punished for it in the end, which continues the
> > frustrating cycle that many folks find themselves in.
> >
> > I can certainly empathize with your position of wanting the items to be
> > returned so other people can use them, and it's difficult to be put in
> the
> > position of social worker while handling situations like these,
> especially
> > when you didn't ask for it. I have been a public library employee for
> many
> > years in the past, and it is certainly exhausting work. Personally, I try
> > to lean toward assuming people's best intentions and having conversations
> > with them vs. more "punishment" based options like ransomware or sending
> > them to collections. And ultimately your library will need to figure out
> > how much loss it can take on a yearly basis since there will always be
> > instances beyond people's control that lead to a loss. Perhaps seeing if
> > there's a way shoulder the burden by applying for grants or utilizing
> other
> > areas of funding to cover the losses while you're figuring out ways to
> > prevent them from going missing could be another way forward.
> >
> > I appreciate you reaching out and asking the community about it and I am
> > glad that your library is working on more equitable approaches to lending
> > items. I hope you are able to find a workable solution for the issues
> > you're facing.
> >
> > Natasha
> >
> > --
> > *Natasha Allen *
> > *(She/Her)*
> > Library Services Platform Specialist
> > University of Michigan
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 1:10 PM Lolis, John <[log in to unmask]
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you so much to all for your thoughtful replies. It has certainly
> > > prompted quite a discussion (sometimes philosophical) among my
> > colleagues,
> > > and we'll be keeping them in mind as we go on. It appears that, at the
> > > very least, additional outreach in some way, shape or form is needed,
> > > especially at the local shelter here in town.
> > >
> > > Here the question has expanded beyond the issue of unreturned laptops
> > > because we're also considering a library of things circulation program
> in
> > > which there may be some high priced items included. One contentious
> issue
> > > has to do with possibly requiring a credit card number on record in
> case
> > of
> > > loss, damage or theft. Of course, we don't require a credit card when
> > > checking out a laptop, as we recognize that most who need a laptop are
> > > unlikely to have a credit card. But what if we were to loan out a $500
> > 360
> > > degree camera? I may be pig-headed, but I see no reason why we couldn't
> > > require a credit card for something like that; however, the question of
> > > fairness was raised, that we shouldn't presume that an impoverished or
> > > homeless person *wouldn't* need a 360 degree camera, and therefore we
> > > shouldn't require a credit card for such things as well. In an ideal
> > world
> > > I'd agree, but I think that practicality here demands otherwise.
> > >
> > > Getting back to the laptops, my solution would be to have them do a
> > > non-stop Rick Roll <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ<
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ>> after the
> > > due date. Then again, the words, "Never gonna give you up..." are not
> > what
> > > we want the patron to think in this case. ;-}
> > >
> > > Best wishes to all!
> > >
> > > John Lolis
> > > Coordinator of Computer Systems
> > >
> > > 100 Martine Avenue
> > > White Plains, NY 10601
> > >
> > > tel: 1.914.422.1497
> > > fax: 1.914.422.1452
> > >
> > > https://whiteplainslibrary.org/<https://whiteplainslibrary.org>
> > >
> > > *“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers
> that
> > > can’t be questioned.”*
> > > — Richard Feynman
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://click.fourhourmail.com/5qure95xkf7hvvo93wh2/7qh7h8h05vr4zrtz/aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvUmljaGFyZF9GZXlubWFu
> > <
> >
> https://click.fourhourmail.com/5qure95xkf7hvvo93wh2/7qh7h8h05vr4zrtz/aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvUmljaGFyZF9GZXlubWFu
> > >
> > > >,
> > > theoretical physicist and recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physics in
> 1965
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 11:56, Lena G. Bohman <[log in to unmask]
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You aren't going to like this answer, because it's very boring, but I
> > > > think you can't know if this would work without knowing *why* people
> > > > aren't returning laptops. I'm not a public librarian, but my mom was
> an
> > > > academic who spent her career working with a very poor population of
> > > > domestic violence victims, and I was often pressed into service as an
> > ad
> > > > hoc research assistant. One of the things I learned from the
> experience
> > > was
> > > > that people who are on the edge have very chaotic lives. Even if they
> > > > intend to return the laptop, they may not.
> > > >
> > > > I think you need to learn more about the population you are trying to
> > > > address. Alternate explanations:
> > > >
> > > > 1. People checking out the laptops tend to be transient and move out
> > > > of the area with short notice. Possible intervention: include a
> return
> > > > envelope with prepaid postage.
> > > > 2. People are selling the laptops to make quick money. Possible
> > > > intervention: talk to local pawn shop owners about returning the
> > > laptops
> > > > when they come into circulation.
> > > > 3. People in shelters struggle with transportation to return the
> > > > laptops. Possible intervention: talk to shelter workers about having
> > > them
> > > > help to hold laptops at end of circulation period until they can be
> > > picked
> > > > up.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think any of these issues would be solved by a ransomware
> like
> > > you
> > > > mention. But I think you need more data to decide what to do.
> Probably
> > > that
> > > > means talking to people who already work with your local homeless
> > > community
> > > > (if, indeed, homeless patrons are the source of most missing laptops
> --
> > > you
> > > > probably want to run some sort of analysis to figure this out), and,
> if
> > > you
> > > > can find the time to do so, interviewing patrons.
> > > > Lena
> > > >
> > > > Lena Bohman
> > > > Data and Research Impact Librarian
> > > > Long Island Jewish - Forest Hills Liaison
> > > > Donald and Barbara Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Lolis,
> > > > John <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > > *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2023 11:30 AM
> > > > *To:* [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <
> > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > > *Subject:* [CODE4LIB] A Modest Proposal
> > > >
> > > > EXTERNAL MESSAGE
> > > >
> > > > (apologies to Jonathan Swift)
> > > >
> > > > Please take this as only half-joking. While it is eminently do-able,
> > the
> > > > question is would it be ethical? Other than stirring things up on a
> > > Monday
> > > > morning, I'd also love to hear alternative solutions others have
> > brought
> > > to
> > > > bear on this problem.
> > > >
> > > > We circulate laptops bundled with hotspots, and as expected we've
> seen
> > > too
> > > > many of them fail to return. Of course, we disable the hotspot when
> it
> > > > fails to return, but that doesn't always result in the return of the
> > > > bundle. What makes matters worse is that in the spirit of combating
> > > > digital inequity, we do our best to accommodate those who are
> homeless,
> > > who
> > > > have no permanent address other than a shelter, who have no cellphone
> > and
> > > > have no credit card.
> > > >
> > > > Other than Scalefusion MDM software which we're evaluating, I had a
> > > > wonderful, deliciously evil thought: suppose, upon checkout, we
> > started a
> > > > clock ticking on the laptop. Three days after the due date, our very
> > own
> > > > branded ransomware kicks in. The patron sees a message: to recover
> your
> > > > files, return the laptop. It'd be like a prisoner exchange; they
> return
> > > > the laptop and we return their files. Of course, this only works with
> > > > those who actually create data files that they value.
> > > >
> > > > So who's in on this (he asks tongue in cheek)?
> > > >
> > > > John Lolis
> > > > Coordinator of Computer Systems
> > > >
> > > > 100 Martine Avenue
> > > > White Plains, NY 10601
> > > >
> > > > tel: 1.914.422.1497
> > > > fax: 1.914.422.1452
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > *“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers
> > that
> > > > can’t be questioned.”*
> > > > — Richard Feynman
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > > >,
> > > > theoretical physicist and recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physics in
> > 1965
> > > > **** CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Hofstra
> University.
> > > Do
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> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Andrew Ward (he/him/his)
> Digital Services Librarian
> Troy Public Library
>

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