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Blog P.D.

You guys do a great job policing yourself, but every once in a while, there is a need for someone here at BT to jump in and edit or delete. We've created the Blog Patrol, a duty shared by several of us. We'll chime in every once in a while to keep the trolls at bay or explain the rules. We've also set it up so that if you contact Blog Patrol by the contact form or by email at blogpatrol@blufftontoday.com three of us will receive the same message. Hopefully that means at least one of us will get it quickly and be able to chase down the suspect.

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MayRiverMudder
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MayRiverMudder 07/19/06 - 11:30 am
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LOVE it

it is a very good and much needed idea. I also like the fact that it is not one person in particular that will get the blame or be the nazi LOL LOL LOL

"Go in the water even if it's cold"

EDITED BY SI AT RB'S REQUEST

CheyenneMontana
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CheyenneMontana 07/05/08 - 03:40 pm
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Well,

sorry, mistake

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 11:47 am
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Ok, well why jump in every

Ok, well why jump in every once in awhile? How about giving us an explanation of the RULES right now. Specific and detailed.

Instead of one consistent Blog nazi, now we'll have a group of nazis all with different ideas as to what constitutes an inappropriate blog or response. I don't think I like this idea ... I would rather have one consistent standard applied and a detailed explanation of what that standard is.

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

BlogPatrol
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BlogPatrol 07/19/06 - 12:17 pm
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Chill OW

For the most part, you'll still be dealing with me, Steph. I'm not making new rules, I'll just be enforcing the same stuff as always. I think you guys know I have a sense of humor and am pretty darn lenient. I'll just chime in when necessary to say watch it, behave, don't advertise, no foul language, etc. You can call me if you have concerns at 815-0824 Monday through Friday.
Thanks for your input, but I'm not exactly asking your permission. (smile)
Sharing an identity simply means that those of us on the net side can have access to the same information all the time. If for whatever reason, it doesn't work out, we'll revisit the issue.

Steph "Don't be a moder-HATER" Ingersoll

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pilotguy71 07/19/06 - 12:33 pm
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We can NEVER hate you, Steph!

Good idea.

By the way, Steph, if you are in the office tomorrow morning, drop in and see me. I have a meeting with Robert at 10am. ;)

Ted H.
Aviation and Weather Blogger
www.tedwardsweathercenter.com

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 12:45 pm
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I'm very chill Steph, just

I'm very chill Steph, just like clearly defined rules and the consistent interpretation of them --- not 5 different views of what's inappropriate. I also think it would be a good idea to start a blog about the RULES (the standard) and what it is.

For example, here's a link Stefania Sandrelli to something which got "edited". It's not nudity and there are far racier pics on the covers of legitimate magazines which are available IN PLAIN VIEW (not covered) at newstands everywhere. Why was it edited? I'll admit it comes "close" to the line, but since when does close to the line cross the line? I don't debate the need for a "patrol" because we've all seen examples of the lines being crossed.

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

rachelhale
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rachelhale 07/19/06 - 12:49 pm
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Here are some of the "rules"

Right out of the User Policy:

Online behavior, posting rules

You agree not to post, email, or otherwise make available Content:

* that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, pornographic, libelous, or invasive of another's privacy, or harms minors in any way;

* that harasses, degrades, intimidates or is hateful toward an individual or group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability;

* that purports to be from any person or entity, including but not limited to a Provider employee, or falsely states or otherwise misrepresents your affiliation with a person or entity;

* that includes personal or identifying information about another person without that person's explicit consent;

* that is false, deceptive, misleading, deceitful, mis-informative, or constitutes "bait and switch";

* that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights of any party, or Content that you do not have a right to make available under any law or under contractual or fiduciary relationships.

* that constitutes or contains "affiliate marketing," "link referral code," "junk mail," "spam," "chain letters," "pyramid schemes," or unsolicited commercial advertisement.

* that constitutes or contains any form of advertising or solicitation if (1) posted in areas which are not designated for such purposes; or (2) emailed to BlufftonToday.com users who have requested not to be contacted about other services, products or commercial interests.

* that advertises any illegal services or the sale of any items the sale of which is prohibited or restricted by applicable law, including without limitation items the sale of which is prohibited or regulated by South Carolina or Georgia law;

* that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment;

* that disrupts the normal flow of dialogue with an excessive number of messages (flooding attack) to the Service, or that otherwise negatively affects other users' ability to use the Service; or

* that employs misleading email addresses, or forged headers or otherwise manipulated identifiers in order to disguise the origin of Content transmitted through the Service.

MattyBoy
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MattyBoy 07/19/06 - 12:51 pm
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Whew.

Sounds good to me.

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 01:00 pm
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Thanks RH ... so if you can,

Thanks RH ... so if you can, answer the question I posed above. That picture is NOT pornagraphic, so in what way does it violate the policy?

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

BlogPatrol
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BlogPatrol 07/19/06 - 01:15 pm
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Just for the record

A blog can be edited or pulled even if it doesn't violate one of those explicit policies. If someone reports a blog that makes them uncomfortable, we'll take a look at it and decide what to do. There will always be different interpretations. Sometimes even between moderators. We're individuals after all. A certain photo that I merely glanced out without a second thought was taken down by a different moderator after complaints. Either way, that is our right as moderators. When you blog here, you must realize that BT has discretion in what stays. We don't want to censor ideas that may differ from ours. We don't want to censor anyone, but must keep this a clean environment. You can all do your part to help us do that.
To report a post, send an email to blogpatrol@blufftontoday.com

rachelhale
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rachelhale 07/19/06 - 01:33 pm
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My opinion differs

I personally can't think of any good reason to post such a photo here. What does that accomplish other than getting a reaction of arousal or disgust?

I'm curious enough to listen if you think you can justify such photos and other suggestive comments and terms that objectify and degrade women (or men).

Does it build community? Does it uplift? In the "About BT" page, we ask that users "meet this character challenge: be a good citizen and exhibit community leadership qualities." Does seeing how close to the line you can get fall into those qualities?

jstrait
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jstrait 07/19/06 - 01:37 pm
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Thank you!

Thank you:)

Treat your pets as if they are the last ones on Earth!

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 02:32 pm
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SO THE TRUTH FINALLY COMES

SO THE TRUTH FINALLY COMES OUT. It isn't about the rules, it's about what you might feel regardless of the rules. I certainly beg to differ. The blog wherein that pic was located was an homage to pinups and beefcakes of a BY-GONE era. Everybody there was enjoying it until one prudish individual complained --- sorry jstrait, but I think you're being a bit of a prude here (actually like a reformed smoker, you've swung a little too far the other way). The objection was that the kids don't need to see this, well they see much worse outside. This BT today blogosphere isn't just for kids and if you're going to treat us all like kids, then maybe Russ has a point about leaving when "worlds collide".

By the way Rachel, I think you're being a prude also. This whole idea that every posting here needs to uplift or build the community is garbage. 90% of the posts here don't come close to that standard. As far as degrading, my how easily you must feel degraded. Instead of seeing beauty, you see exploitation. How will you feel when I put up a picture of Michelangelo's DAVID? Is that degrading to David? Do you know what leader went around and had fig leaves painted on all the nude paintings in Italy because it was offensive? Mussolini - fascist ... nazi ... basically the same thing.

Stephanie, there was NOTHING dirty about that picture. In fact that proves my point about the prudish values being hoisted by some here in the blogosphere (watch it, they may even infect you) --- the human body is NOT dirty and this has nothing to do with pornography --- that was an artistic shot, just like the Kinski one with the snake --- they are famous posters.

Lastly, will someone now complain about this posting? Will someone suggest that calling a person a prude is insulting and therefore you should remove this blog?

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

jstrait
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jstrait 07/19/06 - 02:35 pm
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I won't

I won't give you the satisfaction of a complaint! Have a very super day OW!!

Treat your pets as if they are the last ones on Earth!

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 02:40 pm
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You too jstrait, I love ya'

You too jstrait, I love ya' when you're not being too prudish! lol

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

spenceramber
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spenceramber 07/19/06 - 02:50 pm
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I agree with OW

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that picture. As OW stated, it was part and parcel to a blog about pinups of the past.

I know it is BT's perogative to delete what they feel is objectionable or bothers someone, but did you get receive many more, if any, complaints besides Jstrait's?

As far as I am concerned it you find that objectionable because a child might view it, you must have to put your child in a bubble and not let them out of the house to even go to the grocery store or the beach or local pool.

And is this going to be the case from now on in if something bothers one individual?

Kelly_Hero
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Kelly_Hero 07/19/06 - 02:52 pm
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Other Blogs

BT isn't the only blogosphere on the Internet. There are many, many others. If you don't like the rules, nobody's stopping you from exiting stage left. For quite a while now, people have been screaming for BT to take a stand on this or that. Now that they have, it's still not good enough for some folks.

We all have differing viewpoints of what is in good taste and what isn't. Some people objected to the Cheeburger Cheeburger blog. Others thought it was funny. Some people objected to some of the jokes that have been posted. Now someone is objecting to a semi-nude picture that others think is perfectly acceptable. It's hard to please everyone.

In the end, this is BT's site and it's their discretion to pass judgment on what belongs here and what doesn't. They have a whole lot more at stake than a bunch of whining, tantrum-throwing, anonymous bloggers do.

I, for one, am glad to see BT finally step up and put their collective foot down. Should have been done months ago. IMHO of course.

Kelly_Hero
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Kelly_Hero 07/19/06 - 03:02 pm
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On a Side Note

I've been wondering if BT's gonna say anything about the images and animations being posted in these blogs that are pulling from other people's servers?

Most website owners forbid hotlinking, which is what's being done here, because it uses that site's bandwidth. Bandwidth costs money. Unless a site specifically states that it's ok to hotlink to their images, it's best to just provide a link to that image or to download the images and upload them to your own webspace for linking.

MayRiverMudder
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MayRiverMudder 07/19/06 - 03:04 pm
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Double standards

cause problems. And that is exactly what has happened here. And Kelly I think you are wrong about whining and foot stomping. Actually you said the same thing when everyone questioned the lack of coverage on the referendum, but I understand your business had a lot at stake there. You have found very minor things offensive in the past yet thought the ORIGINAL CB CB blog was ok? Maybe you don't know what the initials of what he said the hostess reminded him of, you might want to google it and then take a stand. And it has nothing to do with fluff.

But here is the double standard:

OW's "semi-nude" picture was found offensive and removed.

Yet I post two pictures in the EXACT same mode of dress and pose, except for the angle, yet they are fine. And OW's snake pic stands.

Why? All of those pictures can be scrutinized to the point of calling all of them "semi" nude, as almost all have cleaveage, a good amount in some.

"Go in the water even if it's cold"

MayRiverMudder
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MayRiverMudder 07/19/06 - 03:07 pm
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On the side note

maybe they are downloading them. Which have hotlinks? I'm not sur eI know what that means?

"Go in the water even if it's cold"

Kelly_Hero
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Kelly_Hero 07/19/06 - 03:07 pm
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RB

Where did I say I approved of the CB CB blog? I never even commented on it. :o/

MayRiverMudder
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MayRiverMudder 07/19/06 - 03:12 pm
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About the side note

can you give an example of the hot link?

"Go in the water even if it's cold"

Kelly_Hero
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Kelly_Hero 07/19/06 - 03:15 pm
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RB Again

If you right click on an image and view it's properties, you'll see the URL for it and find out where it's being hosted. If an image is being pulled from someone else's website, that's called hotlinking. Everytime that image is viewed on this site, it's their bandwidth that's being used. They have to pay for that bandwidth.

That's why you will see on most free image sites that they ask you to download the images to your computer and upload them to your own server space instead of linking to the images on their server.

If you have an account with Hargray, most likely you have some server space too that you could use to store the images you want to post. There's also the Spotted gallery, although, there are probably some copyright issues with that. There are also some websites out there that offer free image storage too. I just can't think of their names right now.

ErnieSmith
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ErnieSmith 07/19/06 - 03:18 pm
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Other forums I've used...

...are much stricter than BT and much quicker to ban users. Other forums I've used will ban users for being annoying or posting "catchphrases," played-out jokes, idiocy, or minor infractions of the rules. Some will ban users for being offensive. Some, even, charge users to get inside.

This isn't strict, comparitively. And I don't think our blogs would be nearly as fun if it was.

LDG 07/19/06 - 03:19 pm
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Folks, this isn't a court of

Folks, this isn't a court of law. BT owns the blog and they can, if they wish to, pull any content they feel like pulling. The rules are a guidleine, not a legal contract.

As it happens, I saw nothing offensive about the picture in question. What's dirty about skin?
The only thing I found irritating about the whole thread was the size of the images, and the additional page opening time they caused, not to mention my pet hate.. horizontal scrollbars

MadHatter 07/19/06 - 03:20 pm
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Ambiguity

There

kyrali2002
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kyrali2002 07/19/06 - 03:20 pm
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Isn't it a shame!!!???!!!

Isn't it a shame that certain pictures, photos, or art, can cause such controversy and others go unnoticed.

I feel sad that we live in a world that is filled with enough "crudeness" that the human body is sometimes considered dirty or obscene - be you male OR female.

The pictures between Russ and OW were kind of a riot. To see all those chicks in their prime and some of them on the full-figured side looking GREAT gave me hope that maybe with the right clothes and hairstyle and a smidge of makeup - I could hottie up myself as well...LOL giggle giggle.
The only thing I found annoying was the size of the actual posted pictures and having to adjust my screen or arrow over to see the whole deal. In the big picture, (pun intended) not a major flaw for my eyes.

I am sure for the times when those photos circulated around that they probably caused a stir. I believe that the majority of those photos weren't even taken in the past 20 - 30 years!!! For them to cause a commotion now has really taken me aback.

(We are ALL entitled to our opinions and entitled to what feels right for us. Nor am I hoping to change anybody's mind - Some of you out there sound fairly firm in your thoughts so I know I have no sway in your decision making. I just had to put in my two cents is all.)

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 03:26 pm
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Quick, get a fig leaf!

Quick, get a fig leaf!

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

MadHatter 07/19/06 - 03:27 pm
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Host Sites

Photobucket, Photographica.org, Flickr, and Imageshack are a few host sites. I use BT a lot but only for original work I do myself that I don

Kelly_Hero
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Kelly_Hero 07/19/06 - 03:29 pm
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TY MH

I don't use the image hosting sites because we have our own server, but I was going to go and look up some of them and post them. Now I don't have to! TYVM

MayRiverMudder
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MayRiverMudder 07/19/06 - 03:31 pm
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I need the blog nazi

I made a spelling error in my original post. I should have typed: that it, but instead typed a potentially offensive word, the t from that got attached to it thus making it tha t, oh never mind. Can someone from the BT correct it for me so I don't throw my post out of order?

"Go in the water even if it's cold"

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 03:32 pm
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The few offensive SIZE pics

The few offensive SIZE pics were Russ'. I tried to keep my pics LONGER rather than wider ... I agree 100% that WIDE or high bandwidth pics are to be frowned upon.

RB, is that pic even semi-nude? If so everything is semi-nude in some sense. I thought Sandrelli's breasts were VERY well covered and she didn't have much cleavage to speak of anyway. ROFL ;)

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

tennhoneybee
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tennhoneybee 07/19/06 - 03:39 pm
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Are we talking about.....

the painting of Ann-Margaret that Russ painted?? What's the deal???????

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 03:40 pm
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I saw that RB! I wondered if

I saw that RB! I wondered if it would get through the blog nazi filter. ;)

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

kyrali2002
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kyrali2002 07/19/06 - 03:43 pm
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OW is trying to push the envelope...

...this is just too silly.

I love being able to escape work for a moment or two here and there and seeing all the antics going on with Bluffton Today. This is my favorite local website/blog page for sure!

Bluffton is definitely a melting pot and there are SOOOOO many different personalities out there.

I kind of got off track - I have to agree, since Bluffton Today owns this site, they can pretty much do whatever they want. They can edit or censor whatever they see fit or edit and censor due to whatever pressure they receive that helps to push that edit or censor button.

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 03:59 pm
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Oh it's certainly BT's right

Oh it's certainly BT's right to do whatever they wish, but it's our right to say what's on our minds and that's what I'm doing here --- as long as I don't "blaspheme or insult" anybody. If they want to delete what I feel are harmless references or pics, they have the power to do so. If I get tired of it, I have the right to leave the blogosphere.

Nobody has ever suggested here that it isn't BT's right to control their blogosphere as they please --- even if it means applying vague amorphous rules that aren't even listed in the USER agreement. Thanks so much KH and LDG for pointing this out, I might have made the tragic error of assuming I, the King (rofl), had all the power in a subsequent blog. ;)

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

MoodyMama
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MoodyMama 07/19/06 - 04:35 pm
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Glad to hear it!

Glad to hear it. Sounds Good.

Can't Dance and Too Fat to Fly

pilotguy71
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pilotguy71 07/19/06 - 04:46 pm
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It could be worse! :)

A British secretary working in Paris who says she was fired because her Paris employer objected to her Weblog has provoked an old and New Media storm.

To view the full story, click here.

Ted H.
Aviation and Weather Blogger
www.tedwardsweathercenter.com

CheyenneMontana
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CheyenneMontana 07/05/08 - 03:42 pm
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So

no comment

Mayetag
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Mayetag 07/19/06 - 05:15 pm
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I love...

Ragtime music! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 05:29 pm
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CM, I think that definitely

CM, I think that definitely falls under the second paragraph ... the "rag" is kind of degrading and gender specific, isn't it CM? ;)

Tennhoneybee, are you talking about the size of the picture or the content of it? There's nothing wrong with either. The issue here stems from the following picture I posted in the vain of pinups from the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's: Stefania Sandrelli

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

rachelhale
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rachelhale 07/19/06 - 05:42 pm
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Guess what

You guys spend more time on the blogs than I do, so if you see something that's as objectionable as something else we've taken down, you can always let us know! Until one of us starts spending every minute of every day looking at the blogs, we will miss stuff without your help.

And Cheyenne, like I've said, the other bloggers did an excellent job of putting the offending party in his place. He gave up and went away.

As you can tell by the insults I tolerate myself, I don't delete users for every insult they throw out. We just have to move on and not let someone else's opinion affect our day.

tennhoneybee
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tennhoneybee 07/19/06 - 05:45 pm
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OW.....

never mind, it's none of my business. Personally I see noting wrong with the pic. Backing slowly out of blog.........

tennhoneybee
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tennhoneybee 07/19/06 - 05:47 pm
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Hey OW.....

that is nothing more than Brittany beging on the cover of a national mag last week.

CheyenneMontana
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CheyenneMontana 07/05/08 - 03:43 pm
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Rachel

no comment

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 06:35 pm
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Rachel, I'm sorry but I

Rachel, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean by: "As you can tell by the insults I tolerate myself, I don't delete users for every insult they throw out. We just have to move on and not let someone else's opinion affect our day."

Who, what, where are you being insulted? I haven't seen any insults hurled your way anywhere here on the blogs --- I could be wrong. Are you insulted by the reference "blog nazi" or was it perhaps my "being prudish" comment? Is that a veiled reference to me at all? If so, I apologize. It was not my intent to insult, but to merely characterize your behavior as "I" see it --- at least in regard to this specific topic. Would "puritanical" sound better than "prude"? Would "blog content enforcer" ring truer than "blog nazi"?

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 07/19/06 - 06:46 pm
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Thanks Tennhoneybee, the

Thanks Tennhoneybee, the next thing you know someone might start banning passages from JD Salinger's "Catcher in the Rye" or Henry Miller's "Tropic of Cancer" and "Tropic of Capricorn". Oh wait, that's already been done. lol

ALEA IACTA EST - "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

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alexm 07/19/06 - 09:59 pm
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OW...

...somebody (can't remember his/her username) threw at least one insult Rachel's direction in a blog post about tennis, of all things. You could probably find it if you look around my recent posts but trust me, it's not that exciting.

Anyway, I don't think she was referring to you.

The first rule about Blog P.D. -- don't talk about Blog P.D.

Second rule: you know the drill.

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fishbowlsoul73 07/19/06 - 11:26 pm
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Nazi

Going OT a bit but.......long ago I blogged on a message board for mothers of multiples. When I said I'd stopped nursing my girls at 2 1/2 weeks the other moms ripped me to shreds on the board. I said they were (insert one syllable word for breast) nazis and that only made the situation worse. Not only did I deprive my girls but I also had no compassion for what happened to Jews.....blah blah blah.
I'm surprised no one has come forth yet with some sort of PC comment about using the word nazi in regards to blogging.

alljoygal
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alljoygal 07/19/06 - 11:56 pm
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This section, and some parts

This section, and some parts of others in "the rules" make me think that some of the things said about our local and not so local officials, and other things political, could fall under a few headings.

"* that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, pornographic, libelous, or invasive of another's privacy, or harms minors in any way;"

Maybe it's a stretch but what if someone makes a comment about the mayor or a council member that they or someone connected to them don't like? Could they claim it was defamatory if I said something like "I think the fact that Councilman BigBoy has invested in area developments with Senator CutiePie down on Olde Street is a conflict of interest". Is that OK? Or should I just say "a Councilman" and "a Senator"? Is it the wording? Should I be sure to add in things like "I think" or "IMO" ? or be more general and not even mention their office?

Also what about the part:
"that includes personal or identifying information about another person without that person's explicit consent".

I've never been sure if this refers only to identifying other bloggers or to anybody?

Should we leave out specific names, and so on. Would it refer to saying something like "Of course Knob Hill never has potholes because that's where Senator Hoo-Haa lives." ? Should I say ..."because a prominent public official lives nearby?

Even if it's not a court of law here I'm thinking most of our public officials are lawyers and the groups, developers and so on who we might comment on have lawyers, at least more lawyers than I do.... I don't want to end up in their court. lol!

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publisher: CommonCrawl
format: WARC File Format 1.0
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