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2018-03-25 22:14:52 UTC

bell curve

2018-03-25 22:15:08 UTC
2018-03-25 22:15:37 UTC
2018-03-25 22:16:25 UTC

that is where all the refutations are

2018-03-25 22:16:46 UTC

@Deleted User and they're all terrible

2018-03-25 22:16:52 UTC

Nothing but progressive griping that totally misses the point

2018-03-25 22:17:09 UTC

but it's gross and racist

2018-03-25 22:17:11 UTC

And can be disproven with research that has been conducted since the publishing of the bell curve

2018-03-25 22:17:29 UTC

bad science!

2018-03-25 22:17:44 UTC

i.e., if you task computers to sort individuals into populations that maximize in-group similarity and minimize out-group similarity, you get standard racial classifications

2018-03-25 22:18:00 UTC

that many phenotypic clusters are associated with race

2018-03-25 22:18:05 UTC

that the whole idea that race is about skin color

2018-03-25 22:18:18 UTC

Nobody hates niggers because they have black skin.

2018-03-25 22:20:28 UTC

"1) They rely on traditional racial categories, but American definitions of “black” and “white” are social categories based on appearance, not genetics. The One Drop Rule is an American cultural custom, not a genetic finding." -- Different populations have different phenotypic clusters. As with all distinct populations, many phenotypes are associated with other phenotypes.

2018-03-25 22:21:27 UTC

"2) They insist that IQ testing proves blacks are genetically less intelligent, yet the study was vague in its assertion of which exact gene makes black Americans less intelligent. There was no examination of people with Sub-Saharan African heritage living outside of the United States." -- Because those results are even more abysmal. i.e., 10% of Sub-Saharan blacks have IQs under 50, that there are less Sub-Saharan blacks in the entirety of Africa with IQs over 100 than there are white Americans with IQs over 115+

2018-03-25 22:22:44 UTC

"3) They insist that IQ is a definitive measure of intelligence, yet IQ testing has been proven to be severely culturally biased - our ancestors would have done very poorly." -- And yet it seems that most Eurasians and even some Latinos can adapt to the test best able to measure g factor, aka innate intelligence, and Africans seem most poorly equipped to handle abstract reasoning because "it's dey culcha". Not a winning refutation.

2018-03-25 22:23:18 UTC

"4) Furthermore, IQ testing only measures math and verbal skills - it does not account for the vast majority of intelligences identified by multiple intelligences theory." -- "Jamal can throw a football really far, and Karim can spit bars. Where's da IQ test for dat???"

2018-03-25 22:24:46 UTC

"5) They insist IQ is passed on from parent to child, yet the heritability of IQ has yet to be proven since parents with high IQs usually have an easier time providing intellectually nurturing environments to their children thanks to the economic value our society places on having a high IQ." -- Which is why the conduct twin studies with control groups to account for that very factor. i.e., measuring IQs of identical twins put in the same environment vs. identical twins put in different environments of varying degrees. Heritability takes into consideration environmental differences by the very definition of its calculations.

2018-03-25 22:25:03 UTC

Verdict: scientifically illiterate progressives flipping backwards to deny reality.

2018-03-25 22:27:37 UTC

Thinking blacks are just as intelligent as whites is just a meme

2018-03-25 22:27:59 UTC

Another review thinks that race is a totally meaningless classification (even though you could quantify the social and economic consequences of population replacement based by race to the degree of trillions of dollars, identify genetic clusters by sorting that roughly line up with our understanding of race, etc.); and thinks that g factor doesn't exist (lol we're all the same intelligence)

2018-03-25 22:29:13 UTC

If you're comfortable with intro stats, intro genetics + evolutionary science, and intro psychology, if you have a few studies under your belt, if you practice your lines a bit, and if you've read the bell curve, then you can BTFO any liberal so hard that they'll combust in public and leave everybody feeling cheated by the mainstream narrative

2018-03-27 02:02:18 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/428010847508365312/image.jpg

2018-03-27 02:47:12 UTC

Fellas we gotta start road tripping around the US with our best friends

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/428022148104454154/image.jpg

2018-03-27 02:47:27 UTC

facts

2018-03-27 03:13:06 UTC

True

2018-03-27 03:13:17 UTC

Gonna be posting pdf dumps

2018-03-27 03:21:54 UTC

so much natsoc shit

2018-03-27 03:23:05 UTC

if my school checks this computer I'm going to be on several watchlists

2018-03-29 13:13:40 UTC

@Deleted User No decline and fall?

2018-03-29 13:31:52 UTC

@Hektor#9849 I didn't check the contents of the megas

2018-03-29 13:32:00 UTC
2018-03-29 13:32:10 UTC

I just copy and pasted from the /pol/ book club thread

2018-03-29 13:32:21 UTC
2018-03-29 14:05:19 UTC

Siege was bad would not recommend

2018-03-30 16:44:52 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/429320115549503501/20180330_124305-1.jpg

2018-03-31 00:02:07 UTC

look at the sample of reviews lmfao

2018-04-02 08:38:57 UTC

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2018-04-08 03:25:34 UTC

10/10 would recommend

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/432380457456500736/image.jpg

2018-04-08 03:40:57 UTC

Oof my book list is 100+ and I've barely been reading lately.

2018-04-08 03:41:18 UTC

I hope I get to around to Dostoevsky some day.

2018-04-08 04:47:15 UTC

Do that one it's quick

2018-04-08 15:26:22 UTC

Dostoevsky is the best writer ever @shinjitsu

2018-04-08 15:27:01 UTC

did you like Ginsburg translator? all the chepeast dostoevsky books are by Garnette, but other translators have been better to read imo

2018-04-10 00:35:54 UTC

Hey folks, thank you for the server invite. I make Reading Lists pretty regularly, hopefully you find them useful

2018-04-10 00:36:05 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/433062581448736788/National_Socialism.png

2018-04-10 01:11:44 UTC

@Callaghan I have never read the same book from two translators so I can't say I really know

2018-04-10 01:12:23 UTC

But that one was Ginsburg and was really good. I've heard everything from the translations change meaning completely, to they don't matter much.

2018-04-10 01:13:10 UTC

I have a mcduff translation of brothers karamazov I'm reading rn

2018-04-10 01:39:17 UTC

@Brook real federal agent shit

2018-04-10 04:09:25 UTC

Read the Bible too guys.

2018-04-10 20:45:03 UTC

This is the copy i got a while back. It was 6 bucks and doesn’t say who translated it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/433366828593446912/image.jpg

2018-04-10 20:45:13 UTC

Off Amazon

2018-04-10 21:06:48 UTC

@Simon Scola it has to, at the beginning

2018-04-10 21:08:22 UTC

This is all there is. Then the book starts. The end and back doesn’t day either. I’m sure it days on the listing on manzon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/433372695040622623/image.jpg

2018-04-10 21:08:56 UTC
2018-04-10 21:09:54 UTC

hmmm odd

2018-04-10 21:10:01 UTC

does it even have a publisher?

2018-04-10 21:12:15 UTC

No

2018-04-10 21:12:21 UTC

Has anyone read Bowling Alone?

2018-04-10 21:12:27 UTC

I’ll find the link on Amazon

2018-04-10 21:13:27 UTC

k

2018-04-10 21:15:18 UTC

Says publisher but no translator.

2018-04-10 21:16:10 UTC

A couple ones like this on Amazon. Really cheap and just the straight up book, nothing else

2018-04-10 21:19:00 UTC

bizarre

2018-04-10 21:19:02 UTC

have you read it?

2018-04-10 21:19:47 UTC

Not yet

2018-04-10 21:20:52 UTC

It’s a short read so I’ll probably sit down one day and read the whole thing.

2018-04-10 21:21:03 UTC

lol no page numbers even

2018-04-10 21:26:16 UTC

lol

2018-04-11 23:17:17 UTC

Jewish Question Reading List

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/433767525713707009/Jewish_Question_Reading_List.png

2018-04-11 23:27:18 UTC

While we're posting reading lists there's always this
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Charts

2018-04-11 23:27:53 UTC

the attached image isn't the only one, there's a couple dozen on there

2018-04-11 23:31:29 UTC

Great stuff, thank you @Mephisto

2018-04-11 23:36:36 UTC

Yeah sure thing, I'm currently doing the start with the greeks meme more or less. Going to start on the iliad tomorrow

2018-04-11 23:38:03 UTC

I've been meaning to read the Iliad, there was a pretty good one I saw on Amazon a few days ago that was a great quality hardback with both the Iliad and Odyssey for something like £10

2018-04-11 23:39:43 UTC

apparently the robert fagles translation is really good so i went with those, also because i like the way they look, even though the books are overpriced

I try to read books online unless I want them for long term use libgen.io

2018-04-11 23:40:15 UTC

^libgen is a good site for anyone looking for free pdfs

2018-04-11 23:40:58 UTC

Oh wait no, just found it, £17.16, 752 pages and bonded leather, there's something about having a physical copy and being able to collect them that appeals to me honestly

2018-04-11 23:42:08 UTC

oh yeah, the leather barnes and noble classics are nice, I have one thats the complete works of shakespeare and the same for edgar allan poe

2018-04-11 23:42:59 UTC

Ah nice, I have The Raven by Poe and I'm impressed with him so far, I'll have to take a look at the complete works at some point

2018-04-11 23:44:38 UTC

Yeah I'm not some big reader or something, I have yet to go through a lot of them. I only just started reading again last year, made a resolution to read regularly so I've only recently been getting big brained

2018-04-11 23:45:40 UTC

I've only actually read 2 works by Shakespeare but I'm planning on buying Holinshed's Chronicles of England which is apparently what Shakespeare got all his sources from. Being an Englishman I'd love to have a total knowledge of my country's history and it's Kings

2018-04-11 23:46:45 UTC

reading pdfs are boring

2018-04-11 23:46:52 UTC

i prefer to have it in my hand

2018-04-11 23:46:56 UTC

from paper

2018-04-11 23:48:20 UTC

oh I definitely prefer it, but online its free and quick. I split up how I read it @Sleightology

I'll add that one to my reading list, I know basically nothing about English history even though it seems fascinating

2018-04-11 23:49:19 UTC

It's a pretty damning statement of the modern school system that I know almost nothing about my own nation's history

2018-04-11 23:49:47 UTC

We spent all that time in history learning lies about the holocaust

2018-04-11 23:50:15 UTC

^^^^

2018-04-11 23:50:17 UTC

same

2018-04-11 23:50:43 UTC

i knew nothing about world history and geography when i left school but i knew all about the holocaust and ghandi and nelson mandela

2018-04-11 23:51:02 UTC

oh except for how nelson mandela was a murderer and a terrorist

2018-04-11 23:51:15 UTC

what a joke

2018-04-11 23:51:37 UTC

Pretty much yeah. We were reading To Kill a Mockingbird when we could have been reading the classics of the west

We did learn a good bit of real history at my school, but thats probably just because my teacher was a cool guy

2018-04-11 23:52:19 UTC

Almost all of my knowledge, except for the basic foundations, I pursued and found out myself. I made a point of learning about politics, WW2, National Socialism, the English Civil War and spirituality, all through books I bought and the internet

2018-04-11 23:52:43 UTC

same!

2018-04-11 23:52:50 UTC

I remember learning about Goethe for the first time and when I read Faust I was just dumbfounded because there was this work of art that some consider to be one of the greatest books of all time and I'd never even heard of it or had any contact with it

2018-04-11 23:53:02 UTC

i gained everything i know as soon as i left school

2018-04-11 23:53:12 UTC

I've never read Faust, or anything by Goethe sadly

2018-04-11 23:53:38 UTC

I went to a Grammar School which makes it all worst

2018-04-11 23:53:46 UTC

worse*

2018-04-11 23:54:38 UTC

Im still in uni but yeah most of the stuff ive learned ive taught myself

Schools are designed to produce worker units (if that) not intellectuals (or even just intelligent people)

Yeah you should read Faust, parts of it can be a bit difficult but overall its a very good book, I'd recommend the (((Kaufmann))) translation

2018-04-11 23:55:12 UTC

Kaufmann was the original Luke Ford, he was a goy who converted to judaism

2018-04-11 23:55:25 UTC

I heard somewhere that the second volume or part is essentially not worth reading, is that true?

2018-04-11 23:56:15 UTC

reason I know that is I always check if the translators are jewish

Its not, Kaufmann translates Act I scene I and all of Act 5 for you
just read a summary of the rest

2018-04-11 23:57:30 UTC

Part of why its not worth reading is its hard to translate as its more poetic and its so riddled with references and allusions that basically only scholars or megabrains can understand it

Part I came out long before it and is the really famous part. Read the ending though, it provides closure to it and its really good

2018-04-11 23:58:36 UTC

Thank you, I definitely will

2018-04-11 23:59:04 UTC

Today I ordered Hitler's Table Talk so I'm out of shekels, but that'll be my next read

2018-04-11 23:59:43 UTC

<:fed:402375322215120898>

2018-04-11 23:59:58 UTC

Nice. Yeah I've gotta read a lot of the natsoc stuff, there's a lot of overlap between the reading list you posted earlier and stuff on my list

2018-04-12 00:00:00 UTC

learning about hitler isnt fed behaviour

2018-04-12 00:00:07 UTC

shut up vin

2018-04-12 00:00:43 UTC

larping as nazis and doing roman salutes is though

2018-04-12 00:00:44 UTC

Yeah there's no feds here. Now let's talk about firearms, you guys carrying? How many weapons do you own?

2018-04-12 00:01:28 UTC

Thanks Sleight I appreciate it, I won;t bring up National Socialism if the folks running the server don't like it, I get it's not your thing, but I still maintain you've all been lied to

2018-04-12 00:01:55 UTC

nick knows whats up and has learnt about it

2018-04-12 00:02:02 UTC

have you seen the greatest story never told?

2018-04-12 00:02:50 UTC

ok this is epic

2018-04-12 00:02:56 UTC

Yeah I have, it's not quite as polished as David Irving's material and 'Hitler's War' (another great read), but it's still great

2018-04-12 00:02:57 UTC

Okay, this is epic*

2018-04-12 00:03:12 UTC

okay, i fucked your mom

2018-04-12 00:03:19 UTC

okay, this is gay

2018-04-12 00:03:22 UTC

ur mom gay

2018-04-12 00:03:26 UTC

i have so much shit i need to read

2018-04-12 00:03:34 UTC

That's Hitler's home videos, I compiled them and set it to sad music, brilliant for propaganda purposes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3dPOAzKYuM&t=246s

2018-04-12 00:04:08 UTC

My amazon wishlist never gets smaller, no matter how many I order

2018-04-12 00:04:09 UTC

"home videos"

2018-04-12 00:04:28 UTC

Well the ones filmed at the Berghof are

2018-04-12 00:04:37 UTC

huh apparently ive been on this video before, because im 4 minutes in

2018-04-12 00:04:54 UTC

its a timestamp

2018-04-12 00:05:30 UTC

Maybe I was 4 minutes in when I copied the link.. boomer tech

2018-04-12 00:06:20 UTC

oh haha, I thought it was on my end

2018-04-12 03:47:42 UTC

I've quite a few audio readings and text to voice stuff such as this one:

2018-04-12 17:08:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/434037071468953600/Third_Position_Reading_List.png

2018-04-12 23:54:53 UTC

The American reading list looks quite good

2018-04-13 00:05:00 UTC

^

2018-04-13 00:05:14 UTC

im not interested in the german or other ones

2018-04-13 00:05:23 UTC

but american third position looks interesting

2018-04-13 00:18:55 UTC

nazism is an old meme

2018-04-13 07:16:43 UTC

whats a good book on ww1 that is completely truthful and has no sneaky lies

2018-04-13 12:29:50 UTC

Storm of steel but I imagine you're looking for a historical analysis?

2018-04-13 14:34:02 UTC

Storm of Steel is good, can recommend

2018-04-13 14:34:32 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/434360747229970443/Race_Reading_List.png

2018-04-13 16:52:42 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/434395517036789770/20180412_160432.jpg

2018-04-13 16:52:50 UTC

From storm of steel

2018-04-13 18:28:58 UTC

Who else wants a Assad Cardboard cutout?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/434419747166355466/DanyVrOVAAA8m4S.jpg

2018-04-15 01:54:19 UTC

"Rage-Goddess, sing the rage of Peleus' son Achilles, murderous, doomed, that cost the Achaeans countless losses, hurling down to the House of Death so many sturdy souls..."

2018-04-15 23:21:38 UTC

Eco-Fascism Reading List

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/435218173965500416/Eco-Fascism_Reading_List.png

2018-04-15 23:43:45 UTC

no uncle ted?

2018-04-15 23:43:51 UTC

i guess he wasn't really a fascist

2018-04-15 23:49:18 UTC

Industrial Society and it's Future is on there

2018-04-15 23:49:50 UTC

Under 'Pollution'

2018-04-16 01:08:59 UTC

2018-04-16 01:09:10 UTC

2018-04-16 08:41:45 UTC

What version of storm of steel did you guys get? I hear the most popular one has a lot of revision

2018-04-16 10:01:28 UTC

Also anyone know any good books about colonization/imperialism?

2018-04-16 10:02:38 UTC

read siege

2018-04-16 16:41:37 UTC

@Hans Here's the link to the version I bought, generally reliable, no agenda. I always skip the translator's introduction however, I don't like people to interpret the book for me. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storm-Steel-Penguin-Modern-Classics/dp/0141186917

2018-04-16 16:42:30 UTC

As far as books on colonization go it kind of depends on what you're going for, if you want to read about colonial history then I can personally recommend "A History of New Sweden" by Israel Acrelius. It's a great book about the Swedish american colony on the Delaware river at the height of the Swedish Empire.

2018-04-16 16:58:07 UTC

I would also recommend taking a look at the 'Forgotten Books' website, they have a whole bunch of great publications, histories and ethnographical surveys during the times of Empire , as well as I think some East India Company records and publications

2018-04-16 17:25:51 UTC

Ill have to check that out. Thanks for the response brother

2018-04-16 18:13:43 UTC

Any time brother

2018-04-17 10:10:13 UTC

"Particles decay, molecules disintegrate, cells die, organisms perish, species become extinct, planets are destroyed and stars burn-out, galaxies explode… until the unfathomable thirst of the entire universe collapses into darkness and ruin. Death, glorious and harsh, sprawls vast beyond all suns, sheltered by the sharp flickerlip of flame and silence, cold mother of all gods, hers is the deep surrender. If we are to resent nothing-not even nothing-it is necessary that all resistance to death cease. We are made sick by our avidity to survive, and in our sickness is the thread that leads back and nowhere, because we belong to the end of the universe. The convulsion of dying stars is our syphilitic inheritance. The name ‘Bataille’ loosely congeals a message from the dead heart of the real, and anything human is quite incidental here. Matter signals to its lost voyagers, telling them that their quest is vain, and that their homeland already lies in ashes behind them. If there is a conclusion it is zero. Silence. Words continue as something else, as something in any case, or at most; the edge of something (of all things). Yet there is nothing but chaos, even if chaos (alone) is the repressed. Unilateral difference. That is why a revolution must be a zenith of competence nucleated upon burning insanity, since anarchy and utter surrender only connect in a religion of death. Thanocracy, anarchy are undifferentiable at zero, and a human being without desperation escapes my comprehension. Being created in the image of God, we mean nothing to ourselves, and want only the inhuman. They are right to say that in trafficking these words I correspond to a zone of Nietzsche’s maximum detestation; vermin, disease, madness, anarchy, and religion flow through me as through their own space."

2018-04-18 23:05:50 UTC
2018-04-18 23:07:31 UTC

2018-04-18 23:08:39 UTC

Some b-ok pdf are screwed up

2018-04-19 23:04:06 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/436663313695244298/image.jpg

2018-04-19 23:04:12 UTC

chad emojis only

2018-04-20 00:13:30 UTC
2018-04-20 03:58:39 UTC

where can i buy sam hydes book

2018-04-20 04:02:06 UTC

vapes.com

2018-04-20 04:03:20 UTC

you lied to me

2018-04-20 04:03:35 UTC

Thats actually where they used to sell it

2018-04-20 04:03:50 UTC

Its probably sold out

2018-04-20 04:04:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/436738870848126976/unknown.png

2018-04-20 04:04:23 UTC

so fucking expensive

2018-04-20 04:05:49 UTC

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2018-04-20 04:05:51 UTC

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2018-04-20 04:05:52 UTC

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2018-04-20 04:05:53 UTC

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2018-04-20 04:05:53 UTC

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2018-04-20 04:06:09 UTC

ive got the whole thing

2018-04-20 04:06:13 UTC

in photos

2018-04-20 04:06:19 UTC

i want the actual thing

2018-04-20 04:06:23 UTC

same

2018-04-20 04:06:27 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/436739399355727892/Dage5n5WsAIBfdP.jpg

2018-04-20 04:06:43 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/436739470335803409/society.jpg

2018-04-20 04:07:17 UTC

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2018-04-20 04:07:41 UTC

imagine how much theyll be worth in the ethnostate

2018-04-20 04:08:50 UTC

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2018-04-20 04:08:53 UTC

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

2018-04-20 04:08:56 UTC

😭

2018-04-20 04:10:20 UTC

<:bossbaby:412534147924361216> I wonder if anyone's actually paid 200-300 for it

2018-04-20 05:44:52 UTC

I wish i had gotten the first edition. I have the second

2018-04-20 16:15:15 UTC

i prefer the first edition cover

2018-04-20 21:41:53 UTC

A good book, something different

2018-04-21 01:06:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/437056465543626762/Theodore_J._Kaczynski_David_Skrbina_-_Technological_Slavery__The_Collected_Writings_of_Theodore_J._K.pdf

2018-04-21 15:46:05 UTC

There was one point where half of the people of Ireland were teetotal

2018-04-24 17:21:31 UTC

I can post sam Hyde book pdf if anyone wants it

2018-04-24 17:21:39 UTC

Can someone give me the rundown on esoteric/occult lit??

2018-04-24 17:56:45 UTC

@j0hn
Ashtavakra Gita (Indian)
Tao Te Ching
Zhuangzi
Lieh Tzu
Xing Yi Nei Gong
Falun Gong
Gurdjieff's 48 Exercises
Psychic Self Defense
The Doctrine of Awakening
Visual Magick
Kali Kaula
Practical Taoism
Secret Teachings of All Ages
Introduction to Magic
Revolt Against the Modern World
Ride the Tiger
A New Model of the Universe
Prometheus Rising
Low Magick
Corpus Hermeticum
Emerald Tablets of Thoth
Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson
The Fourth Way
Nag Hammadi
Astral Dynamics
Burst of Breath
Euclid's Window
Chicken Qabalah
Awakening Ground
Sefer Yetzirah
One Year Manual
Book 4 Part 1 - Mysticism
Book 4 Part 2 - Magick
Book 4 Part 3 - Magick in Theory and Practice
Book 4 Part 4 - The Law
The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic
Three Books of Occult Philosophy
The Psychick Bible
Liber Null
Condensed Chaos
Book of Lies
Book of Thoth
78 Degrees of Wisdom
The Way of the Crucible
Real Alchemy
Prime Chaos
Liber Kaos
Book of Abramelin (Dehn/Guth version *NOT* Mathers version)

2018-04-24 17:58:48 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358717539942420/438398420395360271/greenpill.jpg

2018-04-24 17:59:16 UTC

@j0hn there's everything you could possibly want on the occult/esoterica

2018-04-24 18:01:19 UTC

Thank you

2018-04-24 18:01:29 UTC

But I'm just wondering what it is exactly

2018-04-24 18:01:46 UTC

And idk if I'm allowed to study it I'll have to ask my priest @Mephisto

2018-04-24 18:03:18 UTC

Is it all based on perennialism

2018-04-24 18:03:37 UTC

its definitely against the Catholic Church teaching to believe it or practice any of the rituals
If you want a tldr on it its basically heretical shit that generally involves humanity ascending to the status of a god

it depends, some of it is perennial, some of it isnt

2018-04-24 18:03:44 UTC

im mostly familiar with gnosticism

2018-04-24 18:05:12 UTC

Ohhh

2018-04-24 18:05:38 UTC

which believes the material world was created by a Demiurge (craftsman) who was created by God. Its their equivalent of Satan.
They believe true Christianity is essentially achieving Gnosis and gaining communion with the real God (who Christ was an emanation of)

Then there's shit with demons and all of that which is common to a lot of it, and that stuff may or may not be real, I'm really not woke enough

2018-04-24 18:05:53 UTC

Is there anything worth learning to a catholic/orthodox

2018-04-24 18:06:09 UTC

Yea I know a little bit about Gnosticism

2018-04-24 18:06:13 UTC

I haven't read most of that stuff, only very basic intro level material

The way I see it, its something you should study for fun but take all of it with a grain of salt

2018-04-24 18:06:21 UTC

Its no substitute for real religion

2018-04-24 18:06:28 UTC

its kind of like larpy fan fiction

2018-04-24 18:07:24 UTC

I thought gnostics believe that the true god doesn't involve himself with the world or something

2018-04-24 18:09:35 UTC

I think the Bible sets a good example where it has a balance of dogma, stories and esoteric symbolism. You need a little bit of each, but the Gnostics I've met get autistically fixated on the big brained stuff esoteric stuff. A pinch of it is good, too much of it is heretical/gay

Well I believe Gnosticism predates Gnostic Christianity. I imagine there are several variants of it as well.
Gnostic Christians specifically believe that Christ was an emanation of the true God, the root of all things. Other Gnostics probably don't believe in that so they might believe that the true God doesn't intervene at all

2018-04-24 18:10:18 UTC

That makes sense

2018-04-24 18:10:54 UTC

What's up with p*gans like styx practicing occultism

2018-04-24 18:12:41 UTC

I'd be interesting to see the origins of the occult, because while a lot of it comes form Gnosticism and Kaballah and that sort of folk lore there's probably some derived from pagan elements as well and Styx would probably know about that

2018-04-24 18:13:27 UTC

theres also general stuff like alchemy and hermeticism which aren't explicitly Jewish or Christian in origin

2018-04-24 18:14:25 UTC

But a lot of seems to just basically be Satanism. That's what Anton Lavey the Church of Satan guy said, that basically he was the only honest new age person because he admitted it was satanism

2018-04-24 18:15:07 UTC

I know Styx literally used to study this stuff as part of his career so he's probably got a pretty deep understanding of it

2018-04-24 18:24:18 UTC

Yea that makes sense. Styx is a weirdo edge lord but it seems like he studies theology on an autistic level

2018-04-24 18:25:56 UTC

Gnosticism is Protestantism without the book

2018-04-24 18:32:25 UTC

Gnosticism is basically Christianity for hyper-individualistic edgelords who don't want to go to church

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