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Subject:Re: [dita] DITA TC meeting tomorrow (Wednesday)?
From:Robert D Anderson (roba@us.ibm.com)
Date:Oct 5, 2010 1:12:53 pm
List:org.oasis-open.lists.dita

I can rearrange my schedule to show up at any point. I'm assuming the meeting will not be too long, since it is primarily just to go through the vote.

Robert D Anderson IBM Authoring Tools Development Chief Architect, DITA Open Toolkit

Eliot Kimber <ekim@reallysi.com> wrote on 10/05/2010 03:48:38 PM:

From: Eliot Kimber <ekim@reallysi.com> To: "Bruce Nevin (bnevin)" <bne@cisco.com>, dita <di@lists.oasis-open.org> Date: 10/05/2010 03:54 PM Subject: Re: [dita] DITA TC meeting tomorrow (Wednesday)?

I am free between 10 and noon CDT and after 1:30 CDT.

Cheers,

E.

On 10/5/10 2:22 PM, "Bruce Nevin (bnevin)" <bne@cisco.com> wrote:

Kris,

It seems plain that this is what we need to do.

If we need a meeting in order to rescind the 15-day review and make the request for a ballot, I can shift anything in my schedule tomorrowexcept one meeting 4-5pm ET, and another 7-9pm ET. The resolution for a 15- day review was in the 9/28 meeting.

/B

From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary@oasis-open.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:56 PM Cc: Michael Priestley; di@lists.oasis-open.org; Don Day (LbW) Subject:

Hi Kris,

The only other thing you need to have before we can start the CS ballot is the 3 statements of use. If you can garner those in the next few hours (I doubt there should be any problem other than people reading their email) then yes, your schedule works.

Just keep me posted so I can be on high alert :)

Regards,

On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Kristen Eberlein wrote:

Obviously, I made a finger fumble and typed November in the second list item; it should be ³Thursday, 7 October 2010 ­ Wednesday 13 October 2010.²

Best regards,

Kris

Kristen James Eberlein l DITA Architect and Technical Specialist l SDL Structured Content Technologies Division l (t) + 1 (919) 682-2290 l kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kdu@sdl.comI>

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From: Kristen Eberlein [mailto:kebe@sdl.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:54 PM To: Mary McRae; Michael Priestley Cc: di@lists.oasis-open.org; Don Day (LbW) Subject: RE: [dita] Changes in OASIS TC processes and when we can send the DITA 1.2 spec to OASIS for a vote

Mary, if we want to withdraw our request for a 15-day review and proceed with a CS approval and OS submission ballot, what would that entail? Is the following an accurate lists of necessary steps, and would you be available to help us meet those milestones?

· We rescind our motion for a 15-day review; request that OASIS sets up a ballot for us to approve a committee specification and submit the committee specification to OASIS for consideration as an OASIS standard. (We could set up an emergency meeting for tomorrow, Wednesday, 6 October to accomplish this, if necessary.)

· You expedite our request and set up the ballot to run Thursday, 7 November 2010 ­ Wednesday 13 November 2010.

· We have two days to get all supporting materials to you; you work with us to ensure that the submission is complete.

· DITA 1.2 submitted to OASIS on November 1, for vote November 16-31.

Best regards,

Kris

Kristen James Eberlein l DITA Architect and Technical Specialist l SDL Structured Content Technologies Division l (t) + 1 (919) 682-2290 l kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kdu@sdl.comI>

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From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary@oasis-open.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:50 PM To: Michael Priestley Cc: di@lists.oasis-open.org; Don Day (LbW); Kristen Eberlein Subject: Re: [dita] Changes in OASIS TC processes and when we can send the DITA 1.2 spec to OASIS for a vote

Hi Michael,

Package acceptance is one of the rules. All specifications must conform to those rules, again, ensuring all OASIS specifications are uniform in appearance and contain the required content. I am sorry that the new DITA toolkit processing prepared by the TC did not include the proper notices statement, but this cannot be taken as a fault of OASIS staff. I think a four-and-a-half day turnaround (including a weekend) to move an entire office, including a network, and get the new T1 connections up and running was almost as good as we could have possibly hoped for. We are just at the seven day mark with regard to the submission for a 15 day publicreview and that includes a reprocessing on the part of the TC.

I sincerely appreciate the desire of the TC to move this as quickly as possible, and we will do everything within our power, and our rules, to help you meet your goals. Unfortunately, that does not mean disregarding those rules.

I am still hoping to get the public review announced today, although time is now running short. If the TC wishes to withdraw that requestand feels that there were no substantive changes made and is instead ready to proceed with CS approval and OS submission ballot, please let me know asap.

All the best,

Mary

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On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Michael Priestley wrote:

Hi Mary,

We have rules to ensure that each and every Technical Committee

follows

the same process and there is no favoritism. "Bending" the rules in effect breaks them and renders them useless.

I can appreciate this, but it sucks when our spec is pushed outto another year (!) because of OASIS problems with servers and package acceptance. I feel like our TC is being penalized for OASIS process and technology problems.

Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM) Lead IBM DITA Architect mpri@ca.ibm.com http://dita.xml.org/blog/25 <http://dita.xml.org/blog/25>

From: Mary McRae <mary@oasis-open.org>

To: Michael Priestley/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA

Cc: di@lists.oasis-open.org, "Don Day (LbW)" <don@learningbywrote.com>, Kristen Eberlein <kebe@sdl.com>

Date: 10/05/2010 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: [dita] Changes in OASIS TC processes and when we can send the DITA 1.2 spec to OASIS for a vote

Hi Michael,

Answers inline.

Mary On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Michael Priestley wrote:

Hi Mary,

We missed the deadline by only a few days, which is really unfortunate since it pushes us over a full month.

There are still additional ballots to be held before the submission can take place. Post review, two ballots (which can run concurrently): approval as CS, and agreement to submit for OS ballot. Those are both 7 day ballots and again, like most TC Admin requests, have an SLA of 7 days. We shoot for less, but that needs to be built into your timetable.

Is there any room for expediting any of the following:

- the current 15-day public review - is it really required? That's up to the TC. The rule is that if substantive changes are made, an additional 15-day review is required. If no further review is required the TC can agree that no substantive changes were made and request the CS/OS ballots to be initiated. Depending on when the next TC meeting is that may still not be completed in time for a 15 Oct deadline. Don't forget you also need your statements of use.

- the submission for voting - does it need to wait till Nov 15th, or could it be submitted earlier, per the new process? to follow the new process you would need to instead have the 60-day Candidate OASIS Standard review.

- the 15-day familiarization period - is that absolutely required, or could it be waived, per the new process? see above.

I urge everyone to read the new TC Process. It's an either/or - current section 3.4 or new section 3.4. New section 3.4 includes statements of use explicitly referring to the Committee Specification, a 60-day review, and further confirmation before proceeding with OS ballot.

We have rules to ensure that each and every Technical Committee follows the same process and there is no favoritism. "Bending" the rules in effect breaks them and renders them useless.

Any of those options would get us back into a November timeframe for the vote.

Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM) Lead IBM DITA Architect mpri@ca.ibm.com <mailto:mpri@ca.ibm.com> http://dita.xml.org/blog/25 <http://dita.xml.org/blog/25>

From: Mary McRae <mary@oasis-open.org

<mailto:mary@oasis-open.org

To: Michael Priestley/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA

Cc: di@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:di@lists.oasis-open.org> , "Don Day (LbW)" <don@learningbywrote.com <mailto:don@learningbywrote.com> >, Kristen Eberlein <kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kebe@sdl.com> >

Date: 10/05/2010 11:52 AM

Subject: Re: [dita] Changes in OASIS TC processes and when we can send the DITA 1.2 spec to OASIS for a vote

Hi Michael,

You would need to submit by 15 Oct for a November vote; that can't happen since you'll still be out for public review. I agree and typically advise against December votes, however WebCGM has done it and passed so we know it's possible, and certainly DITA has a much larger following than WebCGM.

Regards,

Mary

On Oct 5, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Michael Priestley wrote:

Hi Mary,

I think we're really looking for a standard in 2010. My one concern is that a December vote would be hard to get numbers for.

Is there any way to move up the process to allow a vote in November?

Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM) Lead IBM DITA Architect mpri@ca.ibm.com <mailto:mpri@ca.ibm.com> http://dita.xml.org/blog/25 <http://dita.xml.org/blog/25>

From: Mary McRae <mary@oasis-open.org

<mailto:mary@oasis-open.org

To: Kristen Eberlein <kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kebe@sdl.com> >

Cc: "Don Day (LbW)" <don@learningbywrote.com <mailto:don@learningbywrote.com> >, <di@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:di@lists.oasis-open.org> >

Date: 10/05/2010 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [dita] Changes in OASIS TC processes and when we can send the DITA 1.2 spec to OASIS for a vote

Hi everyone,

Thanks, Kris, for drawing everyone's attention to the process changes about to take place. I think the TC is well within the timeline to get to ballot in Dec or Jan under the old rules unless another round of changes is anticipated after the public review that is about to be announced.

The one point to consider if it's delayed beyond that is that another 60 day public review will be required at the new Candidate OASIS Standard stage.

I am planning to come to each TC meeting for a quick review of the changes and to answer any questions and will be sending a message later in the week requesting a 15-min time slot.

Regards,

Mary

On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Kristen Eberlein wrote:

Hi, Don and the rest of the DITA TC.

I have an additional item that I think should move to the front of the agenda for today¹s meeting. It concerns changes in TC rules and when we anticipate being able to get the DITA 1.2 spec out for an OASIS vote. (I also think that we need to work on the items that must be submitted to Mary at the same time as the request for an OASIS vote; see items highlighted in red below.)

Will we potentially be able to send the DITA 1.2 spec out for a vote in 2010, or will it need to happen in 2011?

Under the old rules, the following conditions apply, which would mean that the earliest an OASIS vote could occur is December 16-31.

· The DITA TC can approve a committee specification no sooner than seven days after a public review ends. The vote is by ballot that OASIS administration sets up. The TC can simultaneously request to submit the Committee Specification to the Membership of OASIS for consideration as an OASIS Standard. · Upon resolution of the TC to submit the specification for consideration as an OASIS standard, the TC submits the following items (copied verbatim) to the TC Administrator:

· (a) Links to the approved Committee Specification in the TC¹s document repository, and any appropriate supplemental documentation for the specification, both of which must be written using the OASIS templates. The specification may not have been changed between its approval as a Committee Specification and its submission to OASIS for consideration as an OASIS Standard, except for the changes on the title page and running footer noting the approval status and date.

· (b) The editable version of all files that are part of the Committee Specification;

· (c) Certification by the TC that all schema and XML instances included in the specification, whether by inclusion or reference, including fragments of such, are well formed, and that all expressions are valid;

· (d) A clear English-language summary of the specification;

· (e) A statement regarding the relationship of this specification to similar work of other OASIS TCs or other standards developing organizations;

· (f) The Statements of Use presented above;

· (g) The beginning and ending dates of the public review (s), a pointer to the announcement of the public review(s), and a pointer to an account of each of the comments/issues raised during the public review period(s), along with its resolution;

· (h) An account of and results of the voting to approve the specification as a Committee Specification, including the date of the ballot and a pointer to the ballot;

· (i) An account of or pointer to votes and comments received in any earlier attempts to standardize substantially the same specification, together with the originating TC¹s response to each comment;

· (j) A pointer to the publicly visible comments archive for the originating TC;

· (k) A pointer to any minority reports delivered by one or more Members who did not vote in favor of approving the Committee Specification, which report may include statements regarding why the member voted against the specification or that the member believes that Substantive Changes were made which have not gone through public review; or certification by the Chair that no minority reports exist.

· The above submission must be made by the 15th of any month to the TC Administrator, who shall have until the end of the month to complete administrative processing and checking for completeness and correctness of the submission. If the submission is incomplete it shall be rejected but may be resubmitted at a later time.

· The TC Administrator shall submit the proposal to the OASIS Membership by the first day of the following month. The first 15 days of that month shall be used by the membership to familiarize themselves with the submission. Voting shall start on the 16th of the month. The voting representatives of those OASIS Organizational Members who were members at the beginning of the familiarization period are eligible to vote, and must cast their ballots by the end of the month.

The new rules introduce the following changes (as well as others):

· There is no longer a fixed timeline requiring submissions to be made by the 15th of the month; submissions may be made at any time.

· No familiarization period is required prior to a vote by OASIS membership. Best regards, Kris Kristen James Eberlein l DITA Architect and Technical Specialist l SDL Structured Content Technologies Division l (t) + 1 (919) 682-2290 l kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kdu@sdl.comI> <image001.jpg> <http://www.sdl.com/> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

From: Don Day (LbW) [mailto:don@learningbywrote.com <mailto:don@learningbywrote.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 8:48 AM To: mary@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary@oasis-open.org> ; kim.@oasis-open.org <mailto:kim.@oasis-open.org> Cc: di@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:di@lists.oasis-open.org>; Kristen Eberlein Subject: Re: [dita] When will the 15-day review be announced

Hi. I'm bumping this request in hopes that I can provide the DITA TC with an outlook at our meeting coming up later this morning. Given that the requested changes were timely effected due to prioritized turnaround on our end, I thought it would be considerate to get a sooner response.

-- Don Day Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee

On 9/30/2010 1:33 PM, Kristen Eberlein wrote: Hi, Mary and Kim.

When will the 15-day review be announced? Best regards, Kris Kristen James Eberlein l DITA Architect and Technical Specialist l SDL Structured Content Technologies Division l (t) + 1 (919) 682-2290 l kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kdu@sdl.comI> <image001.jpg> <http://www.sdl.com/> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

From: Kristen Eberlein [mailto:kebe@sdl.com

<mailto:kebe@sdl.com

] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:05 AM To: Kim Goolsby; Mary McRae Cc: di@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:di@lists.oasis-open.org> Subject: RE: [dita] Changes required to submitted document - Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) Version 1.2

Many thanks, Kim! Best regards, Kris Kristen James Eberlein l DITA Architect and Technical Specialist l SDL Structured Content Technologies Division l (t) + 1 (919) 682-2290 l kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kdu@sdl.comI> <image001.jpg> <http://www.sdl.com/> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

From: Kim Goolsby [mailto:kim.@oasis-open.org <mailto:kim.@oasis-open.org> ] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:26 AM To: Mary McRae Cc: Kristen Eberlein; di@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:di@lists.oasis-open.org> Subject: Re: [dita] Changes required to submitted document - Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) Version 1.2

Hi all,

I'll upload the spec this morning. I am so glad this is resolved!

Best, Kim On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Mary McRae <mary@oasis-open.org> wrote: (one more time, sorry)

And my apologies to Kim for trying to answer too many questions at once and not paying close attention to the matter at hand.

Mary

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mary McRae <mary@oasis-open.org> wrote: Hi Kristen,

Yes, that's fine since you have the separate change log; while the blank page isn't perfect, it doesn't harm or detract in any way.

Regards,

Mary

On Sep 29, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Kristen Eberlein wrote:

Hi, Kim.

1. Since the ³Revision history² was indicated as optional in the OASIS template, we decided to omit it from our committee drafts.Therefore we do not want to reintroduce it at this point. 2. I can delete page 1237 from the PDF output. However, all the pages will continue to be marked with ³Page x of 1237.² I think retaining the blank page is better.

Thoughts? I very much appreciate your help with this matter. Best regards, Kris Kristen James Eberlein l DITA Architect and Technical Specialist l SDL Structured Content Technologies Division l (t) + 1 (919) 682-2290 l kebe@sdl.com <mailto:kdu@sdl.comI> <image001.jpg> <http://www.sdl.com/> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

From: Kim Goolsby [mailto:kim.@oasis-open.org <mailto:kim.@oasis-open.org> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:42 PM To: di@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:di@lists.oasis-open.org> Cc: mary.mcrae Subject: [dita] Changes required to submitted document - Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) Version 1.2

TCADMIN-243 <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TCADMIN-243>

Please make the following change:

1. Please add a 'Revision History' appendix to this document. 2. Looking at the pdf, there is an empty page 1237 at the end of the document. I suggest removing this.

Thank you, Kim
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