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  • Jonathan:

    I am getting very frustrated with the mechanical way you are going through the changes in the templates. You are not checking to see if the changes do what you think they do. Previously, you put in non-existing templates and just left the red links. I will grant you that you have been more careful with that subsequently. However, you continue to make edits under the assumption that all templates have been changed to reflect the new format. At least two fictional character templates ("Fatherland" and BtB) have not yet been changed so they do not generate the story character category.

    While your intentions are good, this type of blitz changes do as much damage as deliberate vandalism. I am asking you to check your changes before you post them (there is a preview button for that purpose) to see if templates have been updated. If not, then stop doing template updates and do something else. ML4E (talk) 16:30, October 28, 2017 (UTC)

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  • TR

    Stop, stop RIGHT NOW.  We DO NOT HAVE minor pages for short story characters.  We have never discussed them, and frankly, given the small pool of characters in most stories, I don't think that we need Minor Characters pages for short works.  

    But we need to to reach consensus before moving forward.  

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    • TR

      We never finished up this conversation.  Do we want to go down the road of Minor Fictional Characters pages or not?  

      Short stories by definition don't have much room for inconsequential elements.  Even a character with a quick line of dialog is can wind up being pretty important to the overall arc of the story. Additionally, a "MFC in "Short Story" may be limited to a character or two, which would just lead to irrelevance on top of irrelevance.

      On the other hand, I do acknowledge that there are plenty of short story characters who don't do much beyond providing some "color" or "texture" to the piece, and so the articles aren't particularly interesting.  

      Further, there are some short works that are so short that I really don't know if do we need individual character pages.  A good example is "Half the Battle", which is just a series of vignettes set over a few generations, and takes only a few pages.  The characters are stock characters by design, so we have several articles that aren't terribly substantial, and I do wonder if it might be better to simply collect them onto a single page. Another example is that recent "The Mammyth" piece; I've read it, but I haven't written articles because I kind of feel that creating a bunch of articles that are going to be essentially identical is kind of a waste of time. (Well, that and it's really a joke that doesn't quite land.)

      Anyway, there's a way to address the minor short story character situation, but I don't think approach we take to novels and series is appropriate.


        

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    • "Half the Battle" is barely more than a page, so merging its characters into a list is pretty good.

      "In This Season" presents a similar problem, which could be solved the same way. It's a charming story, but most of its characters are interchangeable.

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  • My dear fellow:

    I do not object to what you wrote about William Shirer in the Literary Allusions article following my comments in Talk:Edward R. Murrow. What I do object to is your unilateral action without waiting for others to comment. Therefore I have rolled-back your changes and locked the article to Administrator level pending such comments.

    I remain, ML4E (talk) 19:38, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

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  • Quit mucking around with things as soon as someone starts working on it. Not only is that rude, you don't usually know as much as you think you do. ML4E (talk) 20:47, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

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  • I am going to ask you to stop adding band member names like "John Lennon" for the Beatles, etc. until this is decided by the moderators. Go do something else if you want. ML4E (talk) 22:37, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

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  • It occurs to me that some of the "Literary Comments" you have made and I rolled-back could fit in the Literary Allusions in Turtledove's Work article. For instance, the comment you made in the Samantha O'Neill article referring to the TV show Bewitched would be appropriate here. Something for you to consider. ML4E (talk) 20:30, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

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