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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 04 Oct 2013 :  06:30:15  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's about as good as it gets. Great read, George.

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Gary Dallison
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Awesome as usual. Out of interest where did you get the mythallar idea and Jeriah Chronos from?

In some brief reading for the Neverwinter campaign setting it mentions Gauntlgrym being the home of a primordial that is kept imprisoned or asleep (i forget which) by the magic in the host tower of the arcane. This lore i note doesnt mention it but seems to fit in nicely with it.

Could the mythallar be a piece of the primordial itself that Jeriah Chronos enchanted to be a mythallar, therefore giving it a measure of control over the primordial.

I only ask because although i dont go for the later versions of the realms i do like the primordials and intend to include them where it makes sense and adds to realms history.

Also i love the explanation that there were two cities of gauntlgrym, and the explanation for how the humans came to be the sole inhabitants and why the lower levels havent yet been explored is inspired.

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George Krashos
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Jeriah Chronos (aka the Chronomancer) has been a Realmslore fixture for years now, dating back to the "Netheril" boxed set. I gave him a name as I really disliked the use of "Chronomancer", "Terraseer" etc. to describe famous Netherese arcanists.

I implied (but didn't state straight out) that the mythallar provided the power for the elven "control mechanism" used to bind Maegara the primordial beneath Gauntlgrym. I chose a mythallar as the lore never explained why the Chronomancer took such an interest in ancient Illusk and similarly, I had to reconcile Salvatore's prose which stated that the dwarves helped build a tower for the elves at the site of Illusk and in return they agreed to bind the primordial. I thought that there had to be something more than payback for building a tower involved, and came up with the idea that the dwarves helped them properly house the discovered mythallar and also exacted a price for keeping its existence a secret.

Glad you enjoyed it.

-- George Krashos

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Gary Dallison
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Brilliant as always.

I never really understood why the chronomancer was mentioned in the netheril book and in the history of the realms as he didnt really seem to achieve much.

This now fleshes him out a bit more and kind of gives me an idea into an important part of his background, namely his death.

I realise that all the arcanists of Netheril were anti gods since they believed themselves all powerful, but it takes a special kind of insane to refuse magical healing when you are at deaths door.

What if Jeriah Chronos found the primordial, bound him with the mythal and used that to communicate with him. Over time could the primordial not twist him into a rapid god hater in the extreme and likewise grant him power beyond imagining in return for his release.

At some point the primordial must have realised he was never going to be released and so when Jeriah was fighting the orcs maybe he surrepticiously reduced the flow on that power allowing him to be injured, and then although promising repeatedly to heal him, that healing never came, and so the chronomancer died.

Anyway, as always, wonderful lore, this will get added to my realms like everything else you write.

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Wooly Rupert
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Superb lore, friend Krash.

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Derulbaskul
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That was outstanding, George, and so useful to my current Neverwinter campaign.

Thanks, mate. ;)

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Eilserus
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This is really great stuff. Love new dwarf lore! :)
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Thieran
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Posted - 07 Oct 2013 :  12:03:54  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very good read, thanks a lot!
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Dewaint
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Hello George,

first of all I would like to genuinely thank you about your time and commitment to the realms, and all valuable lore you provide us :-)
not sure if it falls in your sandbox, but may I ask the following:

Probably I missed some lore but am wondering how the relationship
(commercial, political and/or military) between the free cities of the Vast, the backland settlements of the High Country at one side and Impiltur on the other side could be.
Or any threats that forced both regions to combine forces (i.e. Orcs from the Earthspur Mountains, etc.) in the pre-spellplague era (ca. DR 1370).

If I undestood it correctly some centuries ago The Earthfast Mountains were home to a Dwarven Kingdom led by Deep King Tuir Stonebeard. I belive the Kingdom was called Roldilar

Am just wondering if you possibly could have any thoughts or notes you can share?

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WOW

Many thanks George for that fantastic post

Will we see another revision of the North timeline now?

Cheers

Damian

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Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 Oct 2013 :  01:49:49  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

WOW

Many thanks George for that fantastic post

Will we see another revision of the North timeline now?

Cheers

Damian



Hi Damian

Yeah, it probably needs some further tweaking now. RA Salvatore's novels have changed Delzoun significantly in the context of just what kind of a kingdom it was. To my view, the Northkingdom has now has transcended geography and become a network of citadels/settlements spread across the North. That's why my preamble above dealt with the creation of Ironmaster and an earlier refounding of Mirabar.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 Oct 2013 :  06:24:24  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dewaint

Hello George,

first of all I would like to genuinely thank you about your time and commitment to the realms, and all valuable lore you provide us :-)
not sure if it falls in your sandbox, but may I ask the following:



Oh, I've got a bigger sandbox than most people think. Ask away.

quote:

Probably I missed some lore but am wondering how the relationship
(commercial, political and/or military) between the free cities of the Vast, the backland settlements of the High Country at one side and Impiltur on the other side could be.
Or any threats that forced both regions to combine forces (i.e. Orcs from the Earthspur Mountains, etc.) in the pre-spellplague era (ca. DR 1370).

If I undestood it correctly some centuries ago The Earthfast Mountains were home to a Dwarven Kingdom led by Deep King Tuir Stonebeard. I belive the Kingdom was called Roldilar

Am just wondering if you possibly could have any thoughts or notes you can share?



Drawing from my "Unapproachable East" timeline, we see that the orcs ruled the Vast (the realm was called Vastar) from the -700s DR. This humanoid realm ruled for a long time and in 512 DR, many orc hordes rampaged out of it - one flooding into the Uplands of Impiltur and leading to the end of the Mirandor Dynasty of Old Impiltur.

This was the situation north of the Earthfasts. The situation south of that mountain range was starkly different. I've named this region the Easting Coast and it can best be divided geographically by the Grey Forest, with everything east of that part of Impiltur for many centuries, and everything west of it up for grabs during that same period. It is also known as the North Coast in other writings.

The Earthfasts had stood as a natural barrier between the Easting Coast and the Vast proper for centuries with only a few passes allowing direct travel. The dwarves of Earthfast also made the passage by orcs and other humanoids south over the mountains perilous to them. As such the southern areas saw significant settlement from the earliest days of human presence in the lands of the Inner Sea. To facilitate trade, the dwarves of Earthfast built the first settlement at Proeskampalar (Modern: Procampur) in -153 DR and it experienced a sudden influx of refugees from fallen Jhaamdath (who had been 'island hopping' across the Sea of Fallen Stars for decades) as well as those individuals fleeing the hegemony of Narfell, which was in the throes of the Great Conflagration.

A toehold in place, Lyrabar and Chessagol (Modern: Tsurlagol) were founded in that order as independent city-states by the human racial stock that would in time coalesce in to the people we now know as Damarans. In those couple of centuries either side of the raising of the Standing Stone, it was the dwarves of Earthfast who acted as a buffer between the burgeoning human settlements and the orcs of Vastar.

The Mirandor Dynasty of Impiltur was ambitious and warlike and soon spread east and west across the Easting Coast. Chessagol was conquered early on but like Arabel in Cormyr would rebel at the drop of a hat and assert independence. Depending on the strength of the particular reigning monarch of Impiltur it was either quickly brought to heel or allowed to go its own way until a more warlike king would conquer it anew. Impiltur reached its high water mark in terms of territory controlled in the reign of King Meldath I "the Mighty" (although arguably the march of Bellodar I "the Conqueror" to Ashanath technically claimed more territory). He was the first to exert real control over the Uplands and also conquered Altumbel, Chessagol and Proeskampalar. Impilturian rule over these places lasted for only as long as he sat on the throne.

Another power in the region from time to time were the elves. The Grey Forest had a significant moon elven presence for a considerable period. As Larlotha before the founding of Impiltur and then from 75 DR as the kingdom of Vedrymmell, founded by moon elves of the North fleeing the fall of Rilithar via Myth Drannor and using portals. These moon elves allied with Crown Prince Baranth Mirandor of Impiltur and helped him regain his throne after it was taken from him by his uncle Morlorn, the Usurper. It was King Baranth who exiled the Obarskyrs from Impiltur.

In 572 DR Vastar fell into chaos with the death of King Ologh the Overking at the claws of Iyauroth the black wyrm. We don't know the dragon's fate but in 580 DR, the orc Grimmerfang claimed the throne of Vastar after defeating his rivals.

The defeat of several hordes in 512 DR coupled with vicious infighting made the orcs of Vastar vulnerable and in 610 DR, the dwarves of the Earthfasts conquered Vastar and founded Roldilar, the Realm of Glimmering Swords (sometimes stated as the Realm of Glittering Swords by some shoddy sagecraft - i.e. me in my "Soargar's Legacy" article ...). The first permanent humans settlements in the Vast were founded from 645 DR with the establishment of Maskyr's Vale. Roldilar fell a short time later in 649 DR but in doing so weakened the orcs to the extent that human footholds north of the Earthfasts were able to survive and prosper.

Following the fall of the Durlarven Dynasty in 726 DR after the attack of the Scaled Horde, Impiltur abandoned its expansionistic tendencies and became ever more insular. The city-states of Calaunt, Procampur, Raven's Bluff and Tsurlagol blossomed in this time and the threat of the orcs receded, thanks to the power of coin. Mercenaries shipped in from the Vilhon were the order of the day in terms of security and there was no reliance upon Impiltur for matters of security. In fact, other than general trade, Impiltur has for the most part ignored the goings on west of the Grey Forest and focused its attentions east - playing a rule in the settlement of Uthmere, forming ties with Telflamm, Milvarn, Velprin and Aglarond and on at least one occasion riding to war against Thay to protect Thesk.

Hope this has been helpful.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 27 Jan 2015 23:13:12
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Gary Dallison
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Well thats decided, after i have finished my Vaasa rewrite and collated all the lore i can find on Impiltur, the Vast is getting looked at next.

I love lore like this that ties history in different locales together, helps make sense of the imaginary world of Toril.

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Derulbaskul
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Awesome stuff again, George.

I've been prepping a beginner's campaign set in the foothills of the Earthfasts near the northeastern corner of the Grey Forest. It's essentially Keep on the Borderlands redux but I've been using your posts about Impiltur to flesh out the history a bit. I've even made the "Royal Baron" of the keep a Mirandor and a descendant of Impil Mirandor. (As my game is set in the 4E Realms and Impiltur is in major decline - as it also has been several times in its pre-Spellplague history - he can call himself a Royal Baron without risking the opprobrium of the High Heralds, but I digress....)

I just realised that last paragraph is probably as annoying as someone coming up to you and saying, "Can I tell you about my character?"

TL;DR: (1) Was the Realm of Glimmering Swords called Rodilar or Roldilar? I've seen both spellings used and was hoping you might be able to clarify. (2) What was the sign of the realm?

Thanks in advance.

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D

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Dewaint
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Awesome how seamless you merged both timelines and added more details Hoped to get some hints on the region you named Easting Coast. The Grey Forest stuff is perfectly helping my newstarter campaign starting in High Haspur then moving south and east to Sevenecho. Great Thanks George!


Would like to catch the Roldilar chunk :-)
Apparently from the realm of Glimmering Swords is no much left of nowadays, guess due the fact it doesn't last long. How are the odds Roldilar being some sort of successor, possibly claiming southern stretches, of Sarphil? Beside the hamlet of Sarbreenar, are there any legacies, sites of interest within the mountains you can tell of? As far as I remember from olde 2e City of Ravens Bluff extension, they were known and esteemed artificers throughout the Vast. Same for western Impiltur, or do the gnomes takes that role?


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George Krashos
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Posted - 09 Oct 2013 :  04:36:23  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Derulbaskul


TL;DR: (1) Was the Realm of Glimmering Swords called Rodilar or Roldilar? I've seen both spellings used and was hoping you might be able to clarify. (2) What was the sign of the realm?

Thanks in advance.



It is definitely Roldilar. The reference to Rodilar is a mistake in "Races of Faerun".

The sign of the realm is not noted in any realmslore that I am aware of. If I had to make one up, it would be two swords standing upright with three stars between them (on a vertical axis) above an anvil.

The real symbol is likely only something Ed could tell you.

-- George Krashos

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Dewaint


Apparently from the realm of Glimmering Swords is no much left of nowadays, guess due the fact it doesn't last long. How are the odds Roldilar being some sort of successor, possibly claiming southern stretches, of Sarphil?



Given that there is 5,000 years between the fall of Sarphil and the founding of Roldilar, I would say that there would be historical and blood links, but nothing concrete. Some of the regalia of Sarphil may have found its way to Roldilar, or may yet sit inside a secret dwarven clanhold in the Dragonspine Mountains.

quote:

Beside the hamlet of Sarbreenar, are there any legacies, sites of interest within the mountains you can tell of? As far as I remember from olde 2e City of Ravens Bluff extension, they were known and esteemed artificers throughout the Vast. Same for western Impiltur, or do the gnomes takes that role?



The survivors of the fall of Roldilar fled to a few places, but the majority went to Earthfast which was the capital and survived the fall of the kingdom proper. The dwarves of Earthfast have had strong ties with Impiltur for centuries due to trade ties and occasional armed forays by the armsmen of Impiltur into the Earthfasts to clean out giant and humanoid raiders. The craftmasters of Earthfast remain probably the pre-eminent armourers and weaponsmiths east of Cormyr but their products are rarely seen outside the city in any great numbers. They do a good trade in two special oils that they created centuries ago: "torbol" (known to some as "coldslake") which when rubbed onto metal makes it warm to touch for up to 24 hours - very useful for metalworking in cold climes and for armoured warriors trekking through snow and other icy weather - and "corfin" which removes electrical conductivity from metal it is rubbed on for up to 72 hours. Metalwork treated with "corfin" provides a +1 save to electrical effects to any individual wearing items or in contact with metal so treated (for the oil to work, the treated surface must be at least the size of a breastplate or medium shield).

As for other sites in the mountains, check out my write-up of Ouranalathra "the Mistmaiden" earlier in this thread.

-- George Krashos

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Derulbaskul
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Thanks for the reply, George.

I'll stick with your sign of the realm. After all, Ed will probably defer to you anyway! :)

Cheers
D

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Dewaint
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Thanks a lot for the answer George!


The Roldilar Sign sugegsted sounds perfect to me, will start using it for the realm. In case there will be a more "canon" one in the future I can still use it as Sign/Rune for one of the Roldilar Clans or viceversa

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What do you think the numbers of Hobgoblins in the Mountains around the Vast would be in the time of the Old Grey Box publication?

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

What do you think the numbers of Hobgoblins in the Mountains around the Vast would be in the time of the Old Grey Box publication?



Hmm, good question. "Not huge" would be my imprecise answer. Less than 5,000 would be my slightly more precise answer and of that total, most would be in the Earthspurs rather than the Earthfasts. There's also a couple of hundred in the Grey Forest.

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Hey George, I thought for sure I had responded to your last reply to my inquiry, but apparently I made that up, ha.

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

The Energy did indeed come from Soneillon, but also - through a dark ritual powered by a Narfelli artifact known as the talon of Gurlas in her keeping - through Eltab, her master.


I got mixed up by what you had mentioned along with the rest of the information regarding the Talon of Gurlas,but I am quite sure I understand now who's allegiance is to whom.

It's quite late for me currently, so I haven't poured through all the sources I have, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Eltab could move between the demoncysts as a form of limited teleportation. If this is true, Eltab wouldn't be confined to just the Citadel of Conjurer's, would he? This question isn't nearly as important to me as the next however:

I don't mean to be so confused by Impiltur's means of governing, but I still have some hold-ups. I know Tower Pureheart is the demesne of the Lords of Imphras II and whatnot, but they're obviously not always there just sitting around. I've read in a few different sources (one I recall being one of the last pages of "Unapproachable East) that individual Lords act essentially as governors for the various major holdings (Dilpur, Hlammach, et al). Is this true? If it isn't, then I don't fully understand their roles outside of taking care of major legal issues and running various facets of the nation. I believe some of the more "martially-minded" Lords are frequently out scouting, training, or running maneuvers with the Warblades as per your article in Dragon, but I'm otherwise confused.

Lastly, I realize I've already asked about the whole "duke and baron" thing, but I'm just curious if, for instance, the "county" of Moranay (from Dungeon 137) is a fairly typical example of such a locale?

I very much appreciate all of the insight, George. It's all very incredible and helpful.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain
It's quite late for me currently, so I haven't poured through all the sources I have, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Eltab could move between the demoncysts as a form of limited teleportation. If this is true, Eltab wouldn't be confined to just the Citadel of Conjurer's, would he?



The lore on demoncysts is found in Champions of Ruin. Eltab can't move from demoncyst to demoncyst. He was trapped in the one beneath Thaymount from 202 DR and the Hall of the Hidden Throne in the Citadel of Conjurers from 1373 DR. His consciousness was released from the demoncyst beneath Thaymount in 684 DR but returned in around 725 DR when the mortal vessel that contained him was burnt away by his power. His machinations during that time set the stage for the Fiend Wars however and the fall of Impiltur to the Scaled Horde.

quote:

This question isn't nearly as important to me as the next however:

I don't mean to be so confused by Impiltur's means of governing, but I still have some hold-ups. I know Tower Pureheart is the demesne of the Lords of Imphras II and whatnot, but they're obviously not always there just sitting around. I've read in a few different sources (one I recall being one of the last pages of "Unapproachable East) that individual Lords act essentially as governors for the various major holdings (Dilpur, Hlammach, et al). Is this true? If it isn't, then I don't fully understand their roles outside of taking care of major legal issues and running various facets of the nation. I believe some of the more "martially-minded" Lords are frequently out scouting, training, or running maneuvers with the Warblades as per your article in Dragon, but I'm otherwise confused.



How much more of a role than "taking care of major legal issues and running various facets of the nation" do they need? They are not administrators, hate it when they have to act as politicians and not at all concerned with the day to day running of the realm. Impiltur has a "civil service" that deals with taxation, trade, laws and security and all of the day to day stuff. The Lords kick in on broad policy issues, major hiccups in the status quo or events involving the Crown, some of the more powerful noblemen or anything external of significance (i.e. a delegation from a Zulkir of Thay). Otherwise they just "get around" and talk to the movers and shakers of the realm, a bit like people who are on a bunch of different boards in the modern corporate world. I'm not sure exactly what you find confusing about this picture but am happy to amplify if you can clarify exactly what your concerns are.

quote:

Lastly, I realize I've already asked about the whole "duke and baron" thing, but I'm just curious if, for instance, the "county" of Moranay (from Dungeon 137) is a fairly typical example of such a locale?



Ahh yes, the adventure from Dungeon #137. I'm not the best lateral thinker and didn't see what the author had done here until other, more perceptive people wrote in about it afterward. The author basically did a Batman/Dark Knight rip-off and indulged in a huge, private joke. Yay for him.

Eric Boyd and I saw the adventure before it was published and changed some names to make it sound more Realmsian but we didn't twig to the joke in the offing. If I had, I would have told them to pull it or changed it lock stock. So, is the "county" of Moranay a fairly typical example? Not by a long shot. Self-indulgent rubbish like that is what I abhor in shared world writing.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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Derulbaskul
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos(snip) Self-indulgent rubbish like that is what I abhor in shared world writing.

-- George Krashos



I could not agree more. It's been the bane of many a Realms product (yes, Netheril boxed set, I am looking at you).

On a more positive note, I just wanted to ask you about Eltab.

What do you think is(are) his "portfolio(s)"? From everything I have read - which may or may not be exhaustive - I have never seen any sort of hint as to what he might be the demon prince of.

I've come up with my own 4E version of what suits IMC but I was wondering, George, if you had given any thought to this? Further, and this may be a related question, why is his realm called the Hidden Layer?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers
D

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Lukas Kain
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I don't mean to step on any toes, but I might be able to answer part of one of your questions. In the "Fiendish Codex 1: Hordes of the Abyss" page 155 is an appendix of Abyssal Lords. For Eltab it states his concerns are hatred and retribution. I've been curious why it's called the Hidden Layer as well, though I always assumed it had to do with some sort of difficulty the original pioneers had in locating the layer. I figure it's layer 248 because it was the 248th discovered or recorded, which I've always interpreted as meaning it must not have as many portals or other means of arrival pointing to it. These are just thoughts though, so take them with several grains of salt.
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Derulbaskul
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quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain

I don't mean to step on any toes, but I might be able to answer part of one of your questions. In the "Fiendish Codex 1: Hordes of the Abyss" page 155 is an appendix of Abyssal Lords. For Eltab it states his concerns are hatred and retribution. I've been curious why it's called the Hidden Layer as well, though I always assumed it had to do with some sort of difficulty the original pioneers had in locating the layer. I figure it's layer 248 because it was the 248th discovered or recorded, which I've always interpreted as meaning it must not have as many portals or other means of arrival pointing to it. These are just thoughts though, so take them with several grains of salt.



Thanks, Lukas.

I suppose I should have mentioned that.

I found that to be so generic that I assumed it was a placeholder until the designers came up with a better idea... but they didnt and so they published it with the placeholder.

Cheers
D

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Gary Dallison
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Hi George, im working on gathering together a timeline of Impiltur to make it as comprehensive as i can and since you are the lord and master of Impiltur i thought i would come to you for the blanks.

I have pretty much gathered everything i can from what sources i have (GHoTR, the sourcebooks and Candlekeep of course), i was just wondering if you had anything that you might be able to add to it that i might be missing (a big ask i know).

The only problem is it includes dates from GHoTR and everywhere else and is quite large so i dont know if i'm even allowed to post it here for you to see and let me know of any things i have wrong or that might be missing.

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Markustay
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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George, im working on gathering together a timeline of Impiltur to make it as comprehensive as i can and since you are the lord and master of Impiltur i thought i would come to you for the blanks.
There is an excellent Impiltur timeline in Dragon Mgazine #346, written by Krash.

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Ahh yes, the adventure from Dungeon #137. I'm not the best lateral thinker and didn't see what the author had done here until other, more perceptive people wrote in about it afterward. The author basically did a Batman/Dark Knight rip-off and indulged in a huge, private joke. Yay for him.

Eric Boyd and I saw the adventure before it was published and changed some names to make it sound more Realmsian but we didn't twig to the joke in the offing. If I had, I would have told them to pull it or changed it lock stock. So, is the "county" of Moranay a fairly typical example? Not by a long shot. Self-indulgent rubbish like that is what I abhor in shared world writing.
I finally took a look at that.

Wow... I'd hate to see what the names were before you were able to change it up.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 22 Nov 2013 13:43:08
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Gary Dallison
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Im pretty sure i included all of those timeline entries, the really juicy ones are in this thread though, especially the ones about Bellodar's March, Agrosh, Soneillon, and Eltab

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George, im working on gathering together a timeline of Impiltur to make it as comprehensive as i can and since you are the lord and master of Impiltur i thought i would come to you for the blanks.

I have pretty much gathered everything i can from what sources i have (GHoTR, the sourcebooks and Candlekeep of course), i was just wondering if you had anything that you might be able to add to it that i might be missing (a big ask i know).

The only problem is it includes dates from GHoTR and everywhere else and is quite large so i dont know if i'm even allowed to post it here for you to see and let me know of any things i have wrong or that might be missing.



I have one, but it hasn't been updated for a while. My "Unapproachable East Timeline" has more Impiltur stuff in it than my "Impiltur Timeline". Go figure.

Why don't you e-mail me what you've got and I'll see if I've got extra stuff. Send it to: krashos@bigpond.com

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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