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MrRadarOne of my favorite Youtubers just put up a video about a film that attempts to reconstruct lost films: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fxJ79qED0Y
At the end he meditates on how art becomes lost over the ages, and how it's a tragedy film is not immune even though it's a medium that's only 100 years old
Then he asks: what will happen to today's digital streaming content?
I think that's why a lot of us are here
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ndiddyola_norsk: can't wait for html-libre [01:18]
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joepie91_from another channel: "in case we have people connected to Puerto Rico: Puerto Rico is 100% without Electricity. The Emergency Management Antenna and the NOAA NWS National Hurricane Center have collapsed. Some cell towers have fallen and many radio stations are off the air. If anyone knows of any person who needs help, they can call (787) 777-0940 WIPR radio, they are receiving emergency calls." [13:30]
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godaneSketchCow: alot of Club Nintendo magazine in other languages: https://archive.org/details/@xellos
mostly argentiana
this guy scanned issues of Practical Computing : https://archive.org/details/@cosycorp
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ola_norski am quite new to IA..I notice the title "Practical Computing 1983 Decemberr" probably is a typo. Is there some way to suggest correction of such, without necessarily hassling the uploader? [16:26]
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I guess what i'm imagining is a version control system of sorts. Where e.g changes to *_meta.xml file, on an item can be suggested without it inevitably relying on the uploader. [16:44]
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ola_norske.g I've uploaded some srt subtitles to my items. If other people were able to add, or especially correct my srt files. That would be awesome. [16:49]
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astridthat would be, yes
no such mechanism exists
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ola_norski have uploaded those same srt files to github. but..Imagine the following: Person A uploads an item, and goes away, never to come back. The metadata is seemingly lacking a lot of e.g "subject" tags. Person B comes along, adds some tags. The tags do no yet become added to the item though. A week later however, Person C adds some subject tags; Of which some of tags are identical to Person B's tag suggestions..Then a "Wait for admi
n" alert goes off, if need be; And the matching tags could be decided to become added.
ola_norsk just broke his own brain
democratic "pull requests", i guess is what i mean.
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ola_norskthe admin would just need to review the "diff" of changes proposed, for any naughtiness . And choose to either accept the "pull", implementing the changes, vote "nay", or leave it as undecided for some other admin to review. [17:41]
JAACertainly nobody would ever think of abusing this to annoy the admins. Noone would ever do something like that on the internet. [17:43]
ola_norskor, in case of many Admins..vote "Yes, this change is OK by me"..and then another Admin also gets to review it
@JAA of course not
@JAA people are never sarcastic or snarky on the internet
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JAAOf course not. [17:45]
ola_norsk@JAA how could it be used to "annoy admins" though? Are you suggesting a case where people would sign up for multiple accounts, spamming changes, just for the heck of it?
i don't know how IA's "Admin alert" works in the backend though. But i can't really imagine they phone is ringing off the hook and alarm bells ringing off above their beds.
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JAAYeah, exactly that. The real changes would get buried in spam, and someone would have to got through all of it manually to find those that aren't spam. [17:52]
astridadmin alert? [17:52]
JAAI don't know how much of a problem it would really be, but it just seems like a feature that would beg for abuse by idiots... [17:53]
ola_norski mean "Wait for Admin" status on an item [17:53]
astridohhh
that's called a "redrow" because it shows up in the job list as a red ... row
there are thousands of them
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ola_norskI can imagine that is the case. But who's expecting metadata changes to be instant? [17:54]
JAA"there are thousands of them" == "We don't have time to go through them at all"? [17:56]
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ola_norsk@JAA i had one on one of my items, simply beeing a noob and trying to add a zip file of related images
It sparked "Wait for Admin", for "added files to end of item"
so it's understandable
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However, what i'm talking about would really be in the "when we/someone gets to it" in priority.
the world doesnt catch fire from a simple Title typo, after all
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@JAA while i do see your point perfectly, i ask you to consider that even just the Upload button is just as begging for abuse [18:12]
hook54321Fun fact: You can modify the HTML on the edit item details page and attempt to change things that had read only fields. It'll wait for review by an admin though. [18:13]
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JAAola_norsk: True. I'm not sure how much abuse IA sees from that, but I guess there's certainly some. However, that doesn't really affect anything. It'll "just" create an unnecessary item and waste some storage, but it doesn't alter the data uploaded by other people, possibly listed in popular collections, etc. [18:14]
ola_norskhook54321, well that answers that :) [18:15]
hook54321This might be a little relevant to this conversation, but I've heard I think in one Jason's videos that IA would love wikification of metadata and stuff in some way, but they just don't have that ability yet, I think it was related to their budget. [18:16]
ola_norsk@JAA Neither am i. I'm sure there's some abuse though. But, i'm not talking about a complete item copy, THAT would indeed waste space. I'm talking just metadata additions/changes. [18:17]
JAAola_norsk: I was talking about the upload button abuse; that wastes storage because the stuff that is uploaded to spam items would generally be garbage. A metadata change obviously wouldn't waste much storage (if any).
(Actually, a metadata change wouldn't really "waste" anything. It would use a tiny bit of storage, but that's really negligible.)
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ola_norskyeah
It would be cool if someone other than me, some day, was able to suggest corrections to my srt subtitles though..I'm pretty sure they have numerous flaws, and i'm not immortal
hook54321, would you happen to have link to that video? Either way, sounds like that would be what i'm currently fantazing about.
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hook54321It might have been somewhere in this video... I'm not completely sure though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_WPK-xFoQ [18:29]
ola_norskty
it would be scary if i was the first coming up with such an idea :d
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hook54321, "files burning out of windows" hahaha [18:46]
Anyway, i hope to see that wiki/diff ability,some day, on IA. One doesn't need to adhere to politics to adhere to the importance of preserving history and knowledge of the past :) [18:51]
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ola_norskthere's now a canadia IA mirror? right?
canadian*
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Have there been any serious petitions made to place a mirror on another quadrant of the globe? E.g.. https://greenmountain.no/ or http://worldstopdatacenters.com/google-hamina-finland/ and so on? ..If only for the publicity [22:19]
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ola_norskola_norsk doesn't live very far away from "green mountain"..And doubt they wouldn't shove in some mirror, if asked by enough people [22:28]
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secondCan someone mirror this wiki? http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page if its not mirrored already [22:38]
ola_norsksecond, capture the whole wiki?
(without the rest of the uesp.net domain)
second, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Exporting_all_the_files_of_a_wiki
second, e.g http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:Export
second, mirroring would mean hosting a copy of it. That i couldn't do, sorry.
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second, I doubt the maintainer of that wiki, would hestitate much to export you an entire copy, if you asked them
second, that's the easiest route, after all
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ola_norsksecond, https://forum.httrack.com/readmsg/26705/index.html [23:09]
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ola_norsksecond, https://web.archive.org/web/20170820210149/http://en.uesp.net/wiki/All_Content [23:10]
secondWhat do you guys think about golang? [23:12]
ola_norski've never heard of that beer
ola_norsk realizes he's gone above and beyond..Please forgive!
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secondJAA: chfoo what do you guys think about go / golang? [23:15]
JAA can you archive this https://www.pizzahut.com/#/home its javascript so it might be a bit harder to do [23:20]
Froggingin what context? [23:20]
secondFrogging: I'm thinking of creating a command line app which will at some point have servers and I'm considering either go or python [23:33]
FroggingI couldn't give a recommendation since I've only used Python and not Go [23:35]
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