[NAFEX] NAFEX list & Google+ opportunity.

Natelson, Ethan, M.D. ENatelson at tmhs.org
Mon Oct 10 07:47:44 EDT 2011


Dear Larry, et al.

At the risk of introducing controversy, where none exists, I would have to remind the correspondents that this "Nafex List" is not an official function of Nafex and many who use it are not members of Nafex.  Therefore, putting something on Google or anywhere else and representing it as a Nafex-sponsored function would be, in my view, inappropriate.

                                                Regards, Ethan

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence F. London, Jr.
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:03 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] NAFEX list & Google+ opportunity.

On 10/10/2011 12:22 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote:

> On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>> That is limited to what you put in your profile and where you want
>> your profile to be made accessible . . .

> There are some concerns with Google+ and privacy, but they mostly are
> an issue for people who don't use their legal name on at least some
> of their internet activity. Google+'s implementation of it's "real
> name" policy leaves something to be desired.

In my opinion that is how it should be, i.e. use your real name. I will 
not add anyone to any of my circles unless their profile displays their 
real name. There are too many spammers using cutesy fake names that I 
actually don't want reading my posts or comments. I, of course, will 
make exceptions for anyone using a nick who contacts me privately to let 
me know who they are or if I already know them. I help run this list, 
gardenwriters, marketfarming and permaculture and I must say I hate not 
knowing who people are when they only use a silly nick and want to 
subscribe. I can't afford to have spammers or crackers (malicious 
hackers) in my lists.

> I know of at least one
> person who had tried to use a nickname. Google+ somehow guessed at
> his "real name", got it wrong, but then put that name not only on his
> Google+ account but also on some other Google services he used,
> (which were already published to other people) without warning him it
> would do so.

That wouldn't have bothered me. I am sold on anything and everything 
Google does and really appreciate being able to use their excellent 
resources for free; they are so reliable and fast and allow real work to 
happen (big file size posts, attachments, etc. - you won't find that 
anywhere else...and Google docs offers a world class resource for 
document collaboration.

> That being said, I use Google+, and agree that it is in many ways
> better than Facebook. If you create a Google+ presence for NAFEX, I
> would like to join. You will have an awkward issue that few NAFEX
> users use a gmail account on NAFEX, so all these people (including
> me) will need to subscribe to the NAFEX group with a different email
> account than they use for the mailing list. But I'm sure the details
> can be worked out.

The recent file attachment issue reminded me of an excellent reason to 
use GMail. If someone attaches a 1.1 megabyte picture think how long it 
will take to download the mail feed from this list that contains it; 
unthinkable if a user is on 56kb dialup. With GMail they store the file 
on the server size and when you read your mail you only have to load a 
little thumbnail of the actual file but can download the whole file at 
will. GMail is so portable; you can log into it from any computer 
anywhere. That is a small price to pay to be able to use Google+ which 
is something I think lots of folks are going to use all the time for 
many years to come.  Just start out right, configure your profile and 
security right and create circles and add people to them sparingly.

I just created a G+ NAFEX circle:
https://plus.google.com/stream/circles/pe69a1450e231a9a?hl=en

North American Fruit Explorers
Google+ companion to the NAFEX list at ibiblio:
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex


>
> Ginda Fisher Eastern MA, zone 6, where the unusual weather has
> convinced some plants that it is spring. Oh - and on a fruit note - I
> roto-tilled and re-seeded part of my lawn this fall. Lots of weeds
> are sprouting among the grass seeds. The most peculiar "weed" is
> tomatoes. I have tomato seedlings everywhere. I guess the chipmunks
> that have eaten my entire crop have been spreading seeds, and some of
> those seeds were even ripe enough to sprout. Who knew?
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