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Toma RNK
01-23-2012, 06:11 PM
This was going to be a PM, but as no one else wants to address you on this, I will.

This post is also to air out my personal feelings of the whole BG situation which I have remained relatively unbiased on.

As a matter of my general "full disclosure" policy when taking any moderator action, this is the PM you sent me. Actually you sent me two which I am combining together for readability.



I apparently you and other mods like be biased. You guys stress following the rules yet you don't apply them to anyone except people you don't like.

Seemly you guys are mad because I'm following the rules. The rules say no spam, and I'm simply following those rules.

Please don't make rules if you're only going to establish them against posters you don't like.

Instead of complaining about reports shouldn't you guys actually take note and apply your precious rules to them.

But anyway, I not wrong for reported something wrong, am I? No. Stop trying to make it as if I'm doing something wrong, when in fact it you guys.

I also didn't flame in that thread, go read it for yourself. I was the only one having an actual argument until mr. biased and some other guy started flaming and spamming me. Which I addressed but mr. biased didn't care.



The biggest issue with you is that you are too stupid, or blinded, to see the issue.

Whether you flamed in the thread or not is irrelevant to all of my attacks on you. My attacks were based on the fact that you reported 15 times in 2 hours and directly caused most people volunteering to turn off their email alerts. Now bigger issues than your relatively small issue aren't going to be read or responded to.

As to people being biased. The battlegrounds collectively has 3 very broad groups of people.

Generally decent people who get frustrated when debating people who have limited talent for debate, or those who use false assumptions.

Stupid people who are not smart enough to realize they are annoying the crap out of everyone else. They think they make good points but just get everyone stirred up.

In both of these groups are well intentioned users, and in both are mean spirited fanboys/elitists. Both groups are asses, and both are the reason there is so much conflict and drama.

The third group is the newer people, and the older people who just don't care that much anymore because the life is sucked out of them.


The first two groups get in a constant circlejerk and things start simmering and eventually start boiling over.

The result of this is always the same, two or more people get butthurt and complain. This then makes the mods look into it. we find that most of the people involved crossed lines.

Now my take on this is to just punish everyone until people learn how to behave and act. Equal and as unbiased punishment as possible. I in fact did this in the beginning. The result was EVERYONE was miserable and I defended myself for weeks. Not worth it.

So what happened, a few mods decided to run the BG, they tried to be in with the "BG culture" and inevitably there was a bias. People complained, I stepped in, those mods stopped being in the BG. Then what happened you ask? Then no one was in the BG, 60% of the BG members left because they were too butthurt or annoyed. People screamed for order and gave the mods crap for "not doing your jobs."

Thus began the TBC era, as he was the only person inclined to take that area, because members of the BG equivalent to teenagers who never had real parents who are up for adoption. The BG users pushed him too far, he lashed back, and crossed a lot of lines. No one in power cared. You know why? Because no one wants to deal with the BG people. then it got so bad martial law was declared and the BG became moderated posts only. Why? Because people couldn't address each other like human beings, or take rough words against them on the internet. People complained even more about their rights to be morons being violated and Wooster stepped in saying he would help out, so the BG could stay.

The BG should be around, it is the most relevant Naruto based section with the most activity, but honestly, no one wants to deal with it.

The BG doesn't get to have nice things. No one is going to look into anything Wooster does, because no one wants to deal with it, because you (meaning those who bring the BG to everyone's attention with this silly drama) are annoying as hell, and we are volunteers.

I think you mistake apathy for bias. Most of us are completely apathetic to your plights.

But again, the BG is dead to me, and many in power. We have given all the f$cks we have to give, and there are just no more f$cks in circulation.

I think you personally suck because you did something that makes the already limited volunteer staff even less likely to help out. That is the only thing you have ever done that I have noticed. Nothing useful or positive, just undermining the efforts of others. That makes you dumb at best, and actively disruptive at worse.

My biggest issue is that I actually believe you don't see the problem with reporting my post I made of you every hour. This is a huge problem because it means you are unlikely to change your behavior. It needs to change. Now I COULD spend an hour coding something up to render your reports useless, so as to not bother everyone, but I don't care about you enough to do that. So if I'm not going to fix the system, this means we are in a place where either you are deliberately trying to undermine all the volunteers because you are an ass, or that you are too dumb to ever realize what you are doing is hurting everyone.

Either way, the relationship isn't working out, and so you should leave before someone makes you leave.

I'm not going to ban you, mainly because I dislike you, and I'll never ban someone I can't be unbiased against. Someone else may if you keep acting like a 6 year old, but that's on them, not me.

This is the one and only time you may get some honesty. It's coming because I'm not around often enough to be in a political position over this, and because everyone else doesn't want to waste hours trying to fix this. I can't blame them.

Move on, and stop being an asshat, your not impressing anyone, and there is no victory condition.

I know I'm not being the perfect mod by being frank, but subtle doesn't seem to be working. This is done publicly so I don't get 20 PM's about what you claim I said in a PM.

Lastly, please don't mistake this for a conversation. I had something to say and said it, and I'll likely not respond.

I may respond to people filling in my woefully inadequate knowledge of BG politics and events. I'll admit straight out I avoid the place since I was asked to leave and never come back.

I miss most of you, and read things here often but rarely post anymore. Mainly cause if people thought I was back, I'd go back to 400+ emails like the one I quoted above every day.

TheBlackChidori
01-23-2012, 06:28 PM
o/

I'll ban him. Biased is my specialty. I'll wait for him to read this first. But consider this your last couple hours on the website. My pork roast has 2 hours left in the oven so I'll give him that.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-23-2012, 07:41 PM
I think Roma made the highest echelon of the sections views abundantly clear and I can't say I fully agree but I can understand his sentimentality and reasons for feeling that way. I have no desire to see a return to the 2010 era of pure and utter madness.

But Herokings you were and are completely and absolutely out of line. I took my family on vacation to Disney come back and am inundated by OCDesque report spams on conduct that was not even remotely worth reporting.

You are dense, you are at times dishonest. Your a fanboy and worse of all(well dishonesty aside)? You do not have a thick skin you cannot take it. Now you made a threat of physical violence towards a poster and quickly deleted it count yourself lucky.

Simply put your antics are preposterous you have pushed these big bosses one step closer to giving the section a gigantic middle finger..and your own hypocrisy is painfully transparent.

You've heard Toma what goes on in the BG's stays there people are sick and tired of us we're all walking on an edge as it is stop tossing gas on the fire

Kreegah!!!
01-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Things like this make me happy I'm not a moderator, not that anyone would be inclined to offer me a position. :lol:

I figure if I get pissed at seeing half a bag of Cheetos spilled on the same floor spot every $%$%^$@ day in the building I clean, vowing to burn alive the unprofessional asshat responsible, then moderation of any level where such crap as this level of harassment happens is likely going to incite my wrathful side--whereby I hunt the $%$%%#&#% down in real life and pry his teeth out tooth by tooth. After that is when I take my frustration out on him.


Basically, I'm saying the situation's well-handled. Thanks, and good day.

Wooster
01-23-2012, 08:13 PM
I could explain this situation, but I really don't think anyone cares.

I will apologize to all mods that I didn't nip hereoking antics in the bud before he sent you all email, spam barrage.

Cyl
01-23-2012, 08:20 PM
"your not impressing anyone"
Toma made a grammatical error!

megabbaut
01-23-2012, 08:31 PM
This is why banned users don't deserve a second chance. They make no use of it. Heroeking was example #1. [Shikamaru] is example #2.

TheBlackChidori
01-23-2012, 08:55 PM
We all have our words? Cool? Cool.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-23-2012, 09:32 PM
This is why banned users don't deserve a second chance. They make no use of it. Heroeking was example #1. [Shikamaru] is example #2.

Bracket Shikamaru is a bit worse than this guy and the punishment he got only reinforces that.

I am sure HK will be back when he does he needs to realize things will be different and I doubt his antics will be tolerated any more

tsuki
01-24-2012, 07:10 AM
Maybe you could do a thing where Heroking is still able to post, but every single other user on the forum is unable to see his posts. Basically everyone has their ignore button turned on for Heroking (Or any other user who does this sort of crap). Just a suggestion.

megabbaut
01-24-2012, 01:20 PM
Maybe you could do a thing where Heroking is still able to post, but every single other user on the forum is unable to see his posts. Basically everyone has their ignore button turned on for Heroking (Or any other user who does this sort of crap). Just a suggestion.
But then there wouldn't be any point in posting.

tsuki
01-24-2012, 01:44 PM
But then there wouldn't be any point in posting.

Exactly.

Shikamaru Nara
01-24-2012, 02:40 PM
We have that done for another user, but it's the same thing as basically banning them. Plus I get the impression people don't like this guy. :lol:

He's personally never done anything wrong to me, except he sent me over 250 emails.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-24-2012, 04:08 PM
We have that done for another user, but it's the same thing as basically banning them. Plus I get the impression people don't like this guy. :lol:

He's personally never done anything wrong to me, except he sent me over 250 emails.

to be honest with you there should be a "man up and stop report spamming" sticky because at times I'm genuinely amazed at the type of posts that are reported.

megabbaut
01-24-2012, 04:11 PM
To be fair when a post gets reported you should look into it the first time they press the report button. That way, your inboxes won't be spammed. See, the reason why they do this stuff is because they are ignored and they have to spam the report button to catch your attention.

Maikeru D. Shinigami
01-24-2012, 04:20 PM
To be fair when a post gets reported you should look into it the first time they press the report button. That way, your inboxes won't be spammed. See, the reason why they do this stuff is because they are ignored and they have to spam the report button to catch your attention.

We would get like three PMs from the same post before even actually getting a chance to receive the first one.

The cases weren't even really serious enough to report more than once.

321zigzag3
01-24-2012, 04:22 PM
The most hilarious thing is that these problems stem from few posters in actuality or in vast most cases.

Anyway I have nothing personally against Heroking. Although I was not aware of his "rampant policing"

Wooster
01-24-2012, 04:29 PM
To be fair when a post gets reported you should look into it the first time they press the report button. That way, your inboxes won't be spammed. See, the reason why they do this stuff is because they are ignored and they have to spam the report button to catch your attention.
I am sorry, but that is silly. We don't have time to spend ever minute of the every hour scouring our email for reported posts. We will get to it when we get to it.

Also note, 80% of the reported posts in the BG are people complaining that they lost a debate. :lol:

Nick Tasogare
01-24-2012, 04:31 PM
"Get a life, bro. Do something not on the internet, nerd lol"

"OMG DO YOUR JOBS MODERATORS :roll:"

PS Toma I love you you're awesome lol

321zigzag3
01-24-2012, 04:33 PM
Also note, 80% of the reported posts in the BG are people complaining that they lost a debate. :lol:

http://i37.tinypic.com/ehv6o.jpg

What the heck. Seriously? I am not aware of this problem on other boards or that such of a thing.

I suppose VIZ forums having a younger populations of users makes a difference?

Maybe I am making assumptions now.

megabbaut
01-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Also note, 80% of the reported posts in the BG are people complaining that they lost a debate.
Maybe that's why in every debate I get trolled. They can't stand my overwhelming debating ability that is so superior that even the top tier debaters cannot comprehend it.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/avatar_6feb8634e3d0_128.png

Rasen_Chidori
01-24-2012, 05:10 PM
After I volunteered to help out in the BGs I very quickly lost patience and regretted offering in the first place, too much immature bickering and resistance against the people who try to help. You all want everything both ways, when someone else acts up you want the mods to keep order but if it's you that's the problem, you moan and complain that you're being unfairly treated.

It's this kind of thing exactly that reminds me to always repect authority no matter if it's police, teachers or umpires because this is the kind of crap they deal with every day.

NBT
01-24-2012, 05:16 PM
So let me get this straight.Whatshisface was butthurt and started spamming the report button and the mods are mad?

Toma RNK
01-24-2012, 05:44 PM
So let me get this straight.Whatshisface was butthurt and started spamming the report button and the mods are mad?

Not mad, but after the spamming came the massive PM's demanding justification.

This thread is made so that the NEXT time this EXACT thing happens, I can refer people to the thread.

It's like my RIGHTS vs PRIVILEGES (http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47097) thread. This thread is to air out some dirty laundry, which is needed as usually users like this tend to start making up stories about what happened.

It also allowed me to publicly vent my own personal frustration with the BG, which in turn allows the active BG users to review how they work, and continue to improve, which is a good thing for everyone.

NBT
01-24-2012, 05:48 PM
Whatever.I don't really need improvement,though.

Toma RNK
01-24-2012, 05:57 PM
Allow my to flick that dirt off of your shoulder.

megabbaut
01-24-2012, 05:59 PM
Let's try not to get dirty with the people spreading the dirt, k?

NBT
01-24-2012, 06:06 PM
Allow my to flick that dirt off of your shoulder.
Eh?..

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2012, 06:13 PM
I was going to ignore this thread. Mainly because I kinda wanna amp it up. I know it's bad trait. Blame it on the education system. But anyways I just have a question.

Since when has the bg been active enough to even be considered a problem? It's usually the same individuals debating the same debates. I don't know why we do it we just do. Half the time the debates turn into a different subject altogether. If you can even call our sh!tty events debates.

Shikamaru Nara
01-24-2012, 06:56 PM
since a while. You do realize that the archive itself is one of the most popular sections on the forum right? If the BG was not split into pieces it would definitely be one if the most populated, post wise forums in this board.

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2012, 07:08 PM
I mean you can't be talking about recently. Lately I only see the same individuals, the same individuals with dupes, and some random newbies.

Miss Kitty
01-24-2012, 07:13 PM
I can see you and Wooster doing this constantly. :lol: I wouldn't blame you...

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u489/roseofsharon33/GIF%20Response/impatience.gif

321zigzag3
01-24-2012, 07:13 PM
Well Toma I apologize for all the additional crap.

since a while. You do realize that the archive itself is one of the most popular sections on the forum right? If the BG was not split into pieces it would definitely be one if the most populated, post wise forums in this board.

Wasn't it always the top 3 most active areas? Combined at least?

I mean you can't be talking about recently. Lately I only see the same individuals, the same individuals with dupes, and some random newbies.

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ancient-aliens-it-was-aliens.jpg

Ashen
01-24-2012, 07:26 PM
I was going to ignore this thread. Mainly because I kinda wanna amp it up. I know it's bad trait. Blame it on the education system. But anyways I just have a question.

Since when has the bg been active enough to even be considered a problem? It's usually the same individuals debating the same debates. I don't know why we do it we just do. Half the time the debates turn into a different subject altogether. If you can even call our sh!tty events debates.I'm surprised you can say that since the BG lockdown was only a few months ago, and it wasn't exactly brimming with life then either. It only takes 1 "I'm right, you're wrong" troll to make the BG's a miserable place to be. And god forbid any of the kids who visit the BG and get all butthurt over another users PoV or a user pointing out the flaws in their argument, granted the butthurt party even made an argument that was more than 1 line long and wasn't just "Neji wins". :lol:

321zigzag3
01-24-2012, 07:29 PM
granted the butthurt even made an argument that was more than 1 line long and wasn't just "Neji wins". :lol:

You must be referring to that very infamous Nagato > Naruto poster who single handidly nearly threw most of VIZ into a turmoil.

I wonder how old he was in real life.

Super Sanin 3
01-24-2012, 07:36 PM
You could have threads designed for judges to decide the "victor".

321zigzag3
01-24-2012, 07:38 PM
Thats too much of a hassle. Requires much dedication and well known tendency to impartiality.

Super Sanin 3
01-24-2012, 07:41 PM
I'd still find it better than "lol proof of speedblitz?" >.>

It could be a separate section all together, victors won't get any special awards or anything, people may actually decide to pose an argument for the better. Personal insults = lose your case etc.

A good stance now can also carry onto the regular BG, and thus create a better aura all together. A more "professional" stance if you will

Well since the dice disagrees with me ...http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/kruemelmonster.gif

Ashen
01-24-2012, 07:46 PM
You could have threads designed for judges to decide the "victor".:lol: Totally up to Wooster and his minions. Sounds like a lot of work that too few would actually be qualified to do and capable of handling properly.

But lets stay on topic shall we?

321zigzag3
01-24-2012, 07:47 PM
OBD sort of tried that and failed. MF don't do it.

MS is too small.

Naruto base doesn't seem to need it.

NBD sort has it in the form of Konoha Colosseum except that section is like VIZ's defunct UNS System.

MVC? Forget about them doing that.

Super Sanin 3
01-24-2012, 07:47 PM
Alright >.> well there could just be a big crack-down on BGers like TBC once did but I predict large sums of dupes

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-24-2012, 09:50 PM
I'd still find it better than "lol proof of speedblitz?" >.>

It could be a separate section all together, victors won't get any special awards or anything, people may actually decide to pose an argument for the better. Personal insults = lose your case etc.


that would be terrible you know when you've won an argument I mean Sanin how many people have I obviously destroyed but have walked away claiming they've won out of butthurt? How many people have you ripped apart that have done the same?

arbitration wont solve anything..what will solve the problems is a mix of us taking it to the tards and you debaters continuing to shred said tards

SRhyse
01-25-2012, 11:11 AM
I'm sorry to everyone that was inconvenienced by all this, myself included :lol:, but I am glad Toma and everyone else remained level headed and spoke up enough about it that it didn't bring anyone's spirits down like some of these things have in the past. As others have already stated, these things always tend to be like 1-3 users posing as 20, whining about a problem which they can't seem to solve because it's them :lol:.

To remove any further ambiguity from future situations like these -

-Within the BG, if you detract from the site more than you contribute, you may be removed from the BG, the site, or both.

The above has always applied generally on the site as I've said many times in specific reference to the rules. Within the BG, however, since it's centered around debate and argument to begin with, if you thoroughly abuse that leeway on the line of flaming and whining, you can and will be let go. We'll wish you well in your academic and professional careers, but you won't be here to tell us about 'em in the future :lol:.

As to any potential changes to the BG to help mitigate this kind of thing and make it better, you're always welcome and encouraged to write up and submit 'em. Be mindful in doing so, however, that careful planning in the design of it is one that allows alot to go on with very little man hours to support it. This is doubly true when the man hours at times can turn into your 'thank you' for helping being hundreds of flaming PM poops from a single user posing as many on your door step :lol:.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2012, 01:12 AM
Srhyse ya bring up something I've been talking about for awhile now and that's the alt infestation.

i was brought up as a newb to see that is the lowest sumiest move a poster could make. Sock puppeting/duping/alting was considered a cardinal sin.

I'd ask for permission to just eradicate any Alt that steps out of line once without any clemency or forewarning in the BG's only if you think it will help stem the tide of BS

Sajuuk
01-26-2012, 05:31 AM
Srhyse ya bring up something I've been talking about for awhile now and that's the alt infestation.

i was brought up as a newb to see that is the lowest sumiest move a poster could make. Sock puppeting/duping/alting was considered a cardinal sin.

I'd ask for permission to just eradicate any Alt that steps out of line once without any clemency or forewarning in the BG's only if you think it will help stem the tide of BS

IMO, Sock Puppetry/Multi Accounting/Dupes should be forbidden. Anyone making an alt should be banned (their alt permabanned and the main account given a ban). If people are trying to evade a ban, it means they are trying to cause trouble for the staff.

All the forums I've been on forbid users making duplicate accounts to evade a ban.

321zigzag3
01-26-2012, 10:41 AM
Srhyse ya bring up something I've been talking about for awhile now and that's the alt infestation.

Well professor, how bad you think the rate of alt infestation is? ANy estimations of possible?


I'd ask for permission to just eradicate any Alt that steps out of line once without any clemency or forewarning in the BG's only if you think it will help stem the tide of BS

Moderators, WAtchdog is a diligent and dutiful man, you have my clear vouch.

IMO, Sock Puppetry/Multi Accounting/Dupes should be forbidden. Anyone making an alt should be banned (their alt permabanned and the main account given a ban). If people are trying to evade a ban, it means they are trying to cause trouble for the staff.

Well this is technically my 2nd alt account only because my original 321zigzag1 account doesn't work. And 2nd 321zigzag2 failed soon after.



All the forums I've been on forbid users making duplicate accounts to evade a ban.

Vs forum lounge is hilarious because you can post as anonymous guest.

It's one thing if they create an alt to try to repair their previous account due to freezes or technical issues (Like I had to, to try to get my Eagle125 account fixed).
And if the problem is resolved delete the alt.

For me been at this over a year but I never really tried minus nearly two years ago to get it fixed. I only tried once really.

So I cannot complain.

However creating alts to get around a ban is plain inconsiderate and troublesome.
OBD had that occasional problem and vs lounge is just a different thing all together.

Sajuuk
01-26-2012, 11:18 AM
Well this is technically my 2nd alt account only because my original 321zigzag1 account doesn't work. And 2nd 321zigzag2 failed soon after.

It's one thing if they create an alt to try to repair their previous account due to freezes or technical issues (Like I had to, to try to get my Eagle125 account fixed).
And if the problem is resolved delete the alt.

However creating alts to get around a ban is plain inconsiderate and troublesome.
I think in some cases, making a new account is needed if your account does stop working. But that should be the ONLY reason to make multiple accounts IMO. Accounts made for other reasons, such as ban evasion or inflating the number of registered users, shouldn't be allowed.

321zigzag3
01-26-2012, 11:23 AM
Accounts made for other reasons, such as ban evasion or inflating the number of registered users, shouldn't be allowed.

I agree with the bolded especially.

Grant Watchdog at least with some limited tryout, he will do it well.

megabbaut
01-26-2012, 12:33 PM
How can you tell whether or not a profile is an alt or not?

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2012, 12:38 PM
Well professor, how bad you think the rate of alt infestation is? ANy estimations of possible?

my aren't we in a sarcastic mood today? Oh I can think of a few, mind you what I consider stepping out of line..is more along the lines of what a vs debater would consider out of line and not a traditional mod..but all the same if accepted this request is all alts should be put on notice of course..the best way to act is blindly indiscriminate in ones enforcing the rules :LOS

being a neutral hard ass kinda eliminates ones ability to accuse said person of biased after all :maybe




Moderators, WAtchdog is a diligent and dutiful man, you have my clear vouch.

one day..you may end up my section boss



Well this is technically my 2nd alt account only because my original 321zigzag1 account doesn't work. And 2nd 321zigzag2 failed soon after.

that sucks..why the hell does this happen?





OBD had that occasional problem and vs lounge is just a different thing all together.

OBD likely has the worse dupe issue of any major league vs site..

CBr and SHC and KMC don't have that problem and Space Battles has the problem of the moderators creating dupes and pretending to be trolls for the lulz
How can you tell whether or not a profile is an alt or not?

posters have unique writing styles..or debate styles they use, certain quirks and mannerisms that translate online. An experience debater can spot these traits...so I would imagine if it's easy for regulars to call dupes dobvious..it should be easy for the staff..dontcha think?

we can also see your IP adresses and stuff but considering there are ways to get around that is better to rely on your ability to sniff out a dupe by his style

IMO, Sock Puppetry/Multi Accounting/Dupes should be forbidden. Anyone making an alt should be banned (their alt permabanned and the main account given a ban). If people are trying to evade a ban, it means they are trying to cause trouble for the staff.

All the forums I've been on forbid users making duplicate accounts to evade a ban.

if your account freezes (I'm lucky I guess because this has never happened to me and hopefully never will) or other technical screw ups I sorta see the point. But ban evasion is unforgivable I agree

Danielle
01-26-2012, 12:40 PM
How can you tell whether or not a profile is an alt or not?
IP addresses sometimes.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2012, 12:50 PM
I agree with the bolded especially.

Grant Watchdog at least with some limited tryout, he will do it well.

I'll be dogmatic in my approach to this..at the very least

IP addresses sometimes.

ehh proxy's make it hard

it's better to watch their posting style..personality bleeds out allot of the internet and you become familiar with people

321zigzag3
01-26-2012, 01:44 PM
one day..you may end up my section boss

*drums his fingers*



that sucks..why the hell does this happen?

One day in late May 2010.

Dudemeister and few others were the first ones to experience this problem.

When he logged on he got redirected to another VIZ main site.

His problem disappeared a week later as most did. But for very few or including me. It just continued so I gave up and made 321zigzag2 and appealed for help. Apparently I was promised to help but they didn't know what to do or something like that? Then that account had the redirectional problem.

This one thankfully didn't. [SHikamaru] believes its a mod playing around with my account well for his original thats what occured apparently.


CBr and SHC and KMC don't have that problem and Space Battles has the problem of the moderators creating dupes and pretending to be trolls for the lulz

MF doesn't either?

Moderators trolling. Well I guess that could be in a sense worse than having no mods in vs forum. Oh well who knows.


posters have unique writing styles..or debate styles they use, certain quirks and mannerisms that translate online. An experience debater can spot these traits...so I would imagine if it's easy for regulars to call dupes dobvious..it should be easy for the staff..dontcha think?

Oh yeah most aren't too hard to figure out then or even now.

we can also see your IP adresses and stuff but considering there are ways to get around that is better to rely on your ability to sniff out a dupe by his style

That Nagato > Naruto poster I told you about, he got around because his IP apparently resets itself or some crap.


I'll be dogmatic in my approach to this..at the very least


Caution though just like when we debate. Debating soley in a singleverse matchup vs multiverse requires a bit different approaches at many times.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2012, 02:31 PM
MF has no dupes because the Staff besides two mods..are a bunch of hypersensative morons..who allow raging narutards and subhuman Otaku filth to infest their forum - trolls have free reign

and they consider anyone with an aggressive or cold analyst debate style to be a public health menace responsible for multiple attempted suicides.


The staff are with said exceptions idiotic cowards and clowns who would rather have a thousand posters like Herokings (he's got the consistency of the average Arena and Naruto vs section poster) then a good team of regs and other debaters.

People like Vashe, Green Shikamaru and Wooster would be considered bad guys over there..and I'm considered a quasi satanic force of evil that destroys peoples sanity..for some reason.

in short..the sites problem is that it's run by clueless idiots and fantards and really nothing short of a mass promotion of Arena regs to Admin would save that site

As opposed to Sb who have vs debate mods who have been modding since the late 90's and are bored out of their skulls so they create their own dupes of massive fantards of fictions that site doesn't like..just to enrage the members and get them into unified multi page debates

not very professional..but then again SB is a relic of vs debatings ancient past and no longer very relevant they're all senile basically

321zigzag3
01-26-2012, 02:53 PM
and they consider anyone with an aggressive or cold analyst debate style to be a public health menace responsible for multiple attempted suicides.

I hope they don't mean that literally.


People like Vashe, Green Shikamaru and Wooster would be considered bad guys over there..and I'm considered a quasi satanic force of evil that destroys peoples sanity..for some reason.


Bracket Shikamaru would be disliked there quite much then.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2012, 03:02 PM
well a couple people claimed to take a knife to their wrists because we proved Sasuke couldn't beat Zeus from Greek mythology

but it was a complete lie and every one knew it certain elements of the staff however latched onto it and used it as a rallying cry to screw over arena members they happened to dislike.

it wasn't like the KY fiasco on NF where she sent pictures of herself burning herself with an iron because someone negged a stupid post she made..or any of the other really insane mentally unbalance crap she did because people negged her or disagreed with her opinions

mind you since two arena regs got promoted to mod..things have relaxed somewhat but I doubt they can do much without coming under fire from the PC debate brigade

those people wanna turn vs debating into an episode of sesame street

edit- lol Brackets wouldn't last a week Dandy would insult him until he exploded then he'd get a year long ban from the arena for being "a meanie"

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2012, 03:14 PM
I'm surprised you can say that since the BG lockdown was only a few months ago, and it wasn't exactly brimming with life then either. It only takes 1 "I'm right, you're wrong" troll to make the BG's a miserable place to be. And god forbid any of the kids who visit the BG and get all butthurt over another users PoV or a user pointing out the flaws in their argument, granted the butthurt party even made an argument that was more than 1 line long and wasn't just "Neji wins". :lol:

My fault I actually forgot about this thread. Anyways the section has been like that for a minute. You can layer it with more rules but the result will come about again. Not saying it's right. But people will be people. Best thing you can tell them is stfu or threaten to ban them like you are doing. That being said I will be probably one the first to go.:lol:

321zigzag3
01-26-2012, 03:46 PM
well a couple people claimed to take a knife to their wrists because we proved Sasuke couldn't beat Zeus from Greek mythology

but it was a complete lie and every one knew it certain elements of the staff however latched onto it and used it as a rallying cry to screw over arena members they happened to dislike.

Why would you knife yourself in the first place because of that?

it wasn't like the KY fiasco on NF where she sent pictures of herself burning herself with an iron because someone negged a stupid post she made..or any of the other really insane mentally unbalance crap she did because people negged her or disagreed with her opinions

So KY did really do it. Freaky.

I don't really know the situation behind it though.

mind you since two arena regs got promoted to mod..things have relaxed somewhat but I doubt they can do much without coming under fire from the PC debate brigade

Hmmmm.

those people wanna turn vs debating into an episode of sesame street


Hey I liked Sesame Street.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

megabbaut
01-26-2012, 04:18 PM
I think Heroeking is back under an alt....
What's the name of the alt?

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2012, 07:20 PM
Why would you knife yourself in the first place because of that?[

because people are that stupid



So KY did really do it. Freaky.

I don't really know the situation behind it though.

she's just absolutely crazy from what I understand the mods banned her until she could show proof she was getting medication and therapy

@ Giants we'll look into it

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2012, 07:49 PM
Ok thanks Immortal. *gives you a look like a father proud of his son*

a father...to..a proud..son

deidara330
01-26-2012, 07:52 PM
...*Sigh*

That's all I have to say.

Bacon
01-26-2012, 08:04 PM
This situation looks soul crushing, to say the least.
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