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Old 12-Nov-2007, 09:21 AM
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Posting and Moderation on the message board

We previously had a policy of pretty much being self moderating and the only exception to that rule was to insist that there was nothing, abusive, unlawful or pornographic being posted.

Last year the website rules were updated to clarify the situation and to give examples of what was unacceptable behaviour. It is clear that simply updating the rules has not worked as a few message board users continue to abuse the forum rules and test them to the limit to justify personal and abusive attacks on each other.

This will be stopped!


Anyone who incites this kind of behaviour in the future will be banned from this board and the thread / post removed. There is no doubt this will arouse cries and opinions that this is censorship. We can assure you this is not the case but we are not going to have a debate on this issue as there is no way everyone can be appeased by this.

Please be assured that everyone is welcome to participate on the message board in whatever capacity or level of membership you choose so long as you treat everyone else the way you would expect to be treated yourselves (i.e. with respect).

We are of the opinion that anyone wishing to defend their “freedom of speech” to the point of libelous, abusive or threatening posting is not the kind of person who would be welcome on this board anyway.

The role of the moderators is to restore what we all once enjoyed, a club full of likeminded people with a common interest of creating a community where members have a mutual respect of each other, sharing banter, knowledge and generally enjoying each other’s company...and bikes!

We will be deleting any kind of potentially abusive, inciting threads / posts or anything that could possibly descend us back to where we have just previously come from and if the offender persists, they will be banned.

Please note there will be no public justification for closing, deleting or banning a member, I’m afraid you are just going to have to trust our judgment on this which is why we are here so please do not PM the Webteam or start a thread based on this as this will be viewed as inciting behaviour

Anyone can report a bad post or thread by sending a PM to the Webteam – click on the small warning triangle icon next to the relevant posting.


During the course of 2007, the MT has had to review its legal position with regard to the website and its usage. It is quite clear that there is a duty of care upon the website owners and operators to ensure that no libelous and/or defamatory comments are held on the system. Just two cases that appeared in the press this year have vividly demonstrated this; see http://news.bbc.co.uk:80/1/hi/technology/7056659.stm and http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/aug/08/news.newmedia2 for more information. The MT are determined not to allow a few people to put at risk the operation of the club website and the above strengthening of the rules and moderation processes are designed to ensure all members can continue to benefit from the message board facilities.
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Old 12-Nov-2007, 09:53 AM
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The over zealous application of these rules and, sometimes hypocritical, enforcement of advertising guidelines has been putting some people off of reading the board, let alone posting on it any more. So we'll probably end up with only nice, polite, supportive people posting on here anyway
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Old 12-Nov-2007, 10:08 AM
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So we'll probably end up with only nice, polite, supportive people posting on here anyway

Excellent.

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Old 12-Nov-2007, 10:20 AM
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Old 12-Nov-2007, 10:27 AM
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So we'll probably end up with only nice, polite, supportive people posting on here anyway

Good.

It is entirely possible to disagree with other people's views, sometimes vehemently, without resorting to personal abuse or threat. That, to my mind at least, doesn't mean that people will not be allowed to express their views, or their disagreement with others, just that they will have to frame those views in a way that does not cause others to start running round to their solicitors.

None of us are perfect, when faced with something that gets the blood boiling we can all be a bit snappy at times, but it is surely not beyond people's wit to treat other posters with the same level of respect that they would apply if they were in the same room with them.

In my view, it's really simple. Obviously, there are laws of the land that quite rightly prevent people from inciting terrorism, inciting hatred of other races or religions. These laws apply to everyone. Other than that, on DSC related issues, say what you want, express any views that you want, but if you haven't got the bottle to say that to someone's face, then don't say it here.


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None of us are perfect,

Speak for yourself. I however know myself to be perfect in every way.
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Old 12-Nov-2007, 10:59 AM
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How are the MT going to differentiate between banter and personal attacks and who will decide? What if a particular person has an axe to grind with the alleged offender? I'm afraid to say it feels like the thin off the wedge.
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Old 12-Nov-2007, 11:25 AM
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How are the MT going to differentiate between banter and personal attacks and who will decide? What if a particular person has an axe to grind with the alleged offender? I'm afraid to say it feels like the thin off the wedge.

Common sense?

In spite of views expressed to the contrary, I think that the webteam does a fine job of making sure that this board doesn't descend into the gutter and that they have performed an extremely difficult job, under a great deal of pressure, for many years. I think that it would be very easy to underate the common sense they have shown to date and the level of judgement required.

Again, it's not rocket science here. The webteam do not have the time to watch over every post and scrutinise it for barbed comment. The individuals involved in the banter, or the people watching the banter from the sidelines, will take a view on when this banter steps over the line. If somebody then feels they've been insulted or libelled, or a 3rd party believes that a post is too near the knuckle, they can press the red triangle to report the post to the webteam as it says in the above statement.

Then it's down to the webteam to decide whether real offence has been caused or whether the complainer is just over-sensitive and take the required action from there.

I don't think it's the thin end of the wedge at all. Other Ducati forums have the 'advantage' of being owned and run by individuals as far as I can see. In that case, he who pays for it calls the shots and there is no arguement. Here, where the site is a resource - paid for by the paid up members of the club then everyone is a stakeholder so debate about what goes and what doesn't is bound to be up for more discussion.

At the end of the day there is no such thing as complete freedom of speech anywhere in the world. People are always held accountable for what they say in some way shape or form and as far as I can see a few simple rules doesn't make for a draconian site


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Old 12-Nov-2007, 11:30 AM
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Old 12-Nov-2007, 11:47 AM
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.............., sometimes hypocritical, enforcement of advertising guidelines has been putting some people off of reading the board, let alone posting on it any more............................

In what respect? I may be worng, but I think that on the whole we have been pretty even handed with regard to advertising.

I even went to the lengths of posting a poll soiliciting opinion to try to ensure I remained even handed.

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