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cannot save new translations512:38, 20 May 2020
Using "Handbook" translations for "userbase"218:26, 12 April 2020
syntaxhighlight tag in manuals115:41, 31 March 2020
help: cannot save the FR translations 520:00, 5 August 2019
Problem on Kdenlive/Manual/Effects And Transitions307:59, 2 August 2019
not resizable square to put translated text314:23, 25 July 2019
Testing wikisandbox.kde.org211:07, 13 July 2019
Дякую…116:03, 7 June 2019
merging Typographical_guidelines & Toolbox into Userbase014:14, 20 May 2019
FAQ translation of TechBase deleted by Fuzzybot 208:33, 17 May 2019
System Settings118:22, 24 January 2019
Unused files222:01, 16 January 2019
Marking for Translation106:25, 26 December 2018
Manually added translation unit tags?106:34, 2 March 2018
DocBook conversion doesn't work009:51, 25 July 2017
One of our translators is enthusiastic, maybe a bit too enthusiastic.111:34, 15 January 2016
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cannot save new translations

Hello Yuri, I am translating Dolphin/File_Management and new translate sections cannot be saved. Who can we contact since new translation items once translated cannot be saved ? (known problem). Thanks.

08:24, 17 May 2020

Carl Schwan <carl AT carlschwan.eu> (ognarb)

08:33, 17 May 2020

thanks , request sent.

08:46, 17 May 2020
 

Hi Yuri, situation remains unchanged because there is no activity on Carl's side. Is there a super user to call, for applying the corresponding corrrections / updrading the wiki according to last patches known for Maniphest T221119  ?

10:01, 20 May 2020

Our old admin (Ingo Malchow (neverendingo)), but he seems to be inactive too.

I think the only option now is Ben Cooksley (can be reached through our sysadmin tickets).

https://go.kde.org/systickets

Sorry for not being too helpful this time. :'(

10:24, 20 May 2020

...translation system is dying.

Let us track the response for and admin => https://phabricator.kde.org/T13179

And what to do from Nikerabbit =>https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221119#

10:37, 20 May 2020
 
 
 

Using "Handbook" translations for "userbase"

Hi Yuri,

I hope it is OK to contact you in that matter. Since yesterday I am working on some German translations - starting with the "K3b" article. However, I have noticed that the text given in the "Handbook" of K3b under "Help" is a (at least) 90% German translation of the English text here in "userbase". I have checked the same for "Spectacle".

It seems that for "Handbook" translations are made independently from "userbase". Copying these translations into "userbase" would make translations for "userbase" much faster than translating it from scratch. (After checking that translation is still identical to English text, of cause).

It seems so logical to me, that I am wondering why this has not been done already. Is there any reason not to do so? Any objections?

I assume that license is the same on every KDE wiki, so this should not be an issue. Giving the name of the original author (translator) could be handled by the "summary" line of translation box.

Looking foreward to hearing your advise.

Regards Ikoch (talk) 17:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

17:36, 12 April 2020

Yes. You are quite right.

This incoherence is a result of the fact that we failed to implement the general unity of all KDE help sources a few years ago.

The idea was that

1. We have wiki and translation extension that should provide us fast documentation writing and sustainable translations.

2. We have a very fast and efficient translation system that allows maintenance of the huge catalog with minimal human efforts.

This should work as follows

1. The authors write documentation on wiki.

2. Our scripts convert it to offline docs and put in the translation repo for translation.

3. Translations are automatically synced here and there and the results can be packaged for distribution.

This was never implemented for several reasons

1. It was found that wiki does not have crucial advantages in the under-powered projects. Some handbooks were converted into docbooks and are now more up-to-date than wiki pages (K3b), some projects were transferred into other platforms (Krita), some projects are just stale (Amarok), some projects are not suitable as a whole for offline docs (Kdenlive).

2. We have several bot attacks on wiki and lost most of handbook authors. Nobody updates most of the handbooks here.

3. The whole unity scripts to do the synchronization reliably were never written.

Thus, no objections, for sure, for porting translations, but it cannot be easily automated now. Sorry.

18:04, 12 April 2020

Hi Yuri,

Thanks for your quick and exhaustive answer. I understand the situation and will try to make the best of it.

Again, thanks a lot. Very much appreciated!

Regards

Ikoch (talk) 18:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

18:26, 12 April 2020
 
 

syntaxhighlight tag in manuals

Hi Yuri

I noticed that in the KDevelop5 manual some occurences of the Input template has been replaced by the syntaxhighlight tag (see fx Kdevelop5/Manual/Meet_KDevelop). Does this work well with the wiki2docbook program or should we advice the author against using it in a documentation contex?

15:32, 31 March 2020

Hi Claus,

It was discussed in kde-doc-english ML earlier. I will correct the script when converting this manual. Not a real problem for me.

Best regards,

15:41, 31 March 2020
 

help: cannot save the FR translations

Hi Yuri After your last validation of https://userbase.kde.org/Konsole, I tried to translate in FR the new elements starting at '===Per Konsole tab Bash history ===' but I cannot save. I know I have met the same problem on Mediawiki () but generally submitting twice the EN modified page is sussisant. Here it doest not work. Cannot save nothing. See Maniphest T221119 : dummy update. Help

10:39, 4 August 2019

Yes. It is a known problem of the current version of the Translate extension. Please wait until the database will be updated (it seems we can do it only manually now). There is nothing I can do now. It is Carl's pet.

Meanwhile, you can translate something else. Sorry for this trouble.

10:44, 4 August 2019

Sorry for the trouble. :(

For now there is a script that will do this automatically, but will need to be restarted after each server restart and I created a sysadmin request to make it works after each restart.

12:13, 4 August 2019

No problems. Thanks for your help. Face-smile.png

12:16, 4 August 2019

The script should now always work. And restart itself after each server reboot. If the issue is still here, let me know and I will try to troubleshoot it with sysadmin.

20:00, 5 August 2019
 

ok works now. Thank you.

15:51, 4 August 2019
 
 
 

Problem on Kdenlive/Manual/Effects And Transitions

Hi Yuri

I am afraid I have made something of a mess out of your translation of Kdenlive/Manual/Effects And Transitions. All your translated text should be in place but the page displays nothing. I suggest we wait a couple of days to see if this is just fuzzybot playing up. I still have your original text so nothing is lost.

09:05, 1 August 2019

No need to worry. I will revise the translation by myself. Thanks anyway.

09:55, 1 August 2019

Everything is back to normal - your existing translations are back (I didn't touch your recent edits, of course). Silly mistake on my part - I simply forgot to close a brace matching comment.

07:57, 2 August 2019

Thanks. Yes, it works as expected now. Everything is in its right place. :)

07:59, 2 August 2019
 
 
 

not resizable square to put translated text

Hi Yuri Waow new skin, more items on the screen super! But I am on laptop and try to make the translations EN -> FR and Im surprised to see the field 'Your translation' reduced to a fixed square not resisable and anchored on the left under the EN text.We agree it will be corrected ?

square not resizable
19:35, 24 July 2019

Added as an issue here. Thanks.

19:58, 24 July 2019
 

Should be fixed now.

12:37, 25 July 2019

much better ! similar back to previous behaviour and extendable to the right on the complete screen. Thank you.

14:23, 25 July 2019
 
 

Testing wikisandbox.kde.org

Hello Yurchor,

I started a few days ago an update to the wikis and you can try it at wikisandbox.kde.org. More details are available at https://phabricator.kde.org/T2442. Could you take a look and provide feedback?

Cheers,

Carl

08:17, 7 July 2019

Just a note: translations are impossible after the update. Any change cannot be saved wit an error message:

This namespace is reserved for content page translations. The page you are trying to edit does not seem to correspond any page marked for translation.

Thanks in advance for fixing this issue.

09:40, 13 July 2019

Sorry for the trouble, this should now be fixed. Let me know if you still have problems.

11:07, 13 July 2019
 
 

Дякую…

…за всю вашу українську документацію. Приходжу я, випадкова людина, читати про Kdenlive, а тут уже (майже) все є. Дякую Smiley.png

16:01, 7 June 2019

Будь ласка. Хоча... Kdenlive у цьому перекладі — найслабше місце. Face-smile.png

16:03, 7 June 2019
 

merging Typographical_guidelines & Toolbox into Userbase

Hi Yuri, I ve open this subjet on Jucato's page. Do you have objections ?

https://techbase.kde.org/User_talk:Jucato#merging_Typographical_guidelines__.26_Toolbox_into_Userbase_461
14:14, 20 May 2019

FAQ translation of TechBase deleted by Fuzzybot

Hi Youri,

do you agree that each FAQ translation of TechBase was being deleted ?

Christian.


Dear ChristianW,

The KDE TechBase page Translations:Development/FAQs/General FAQ/55/fr has been deleted on 16 May 2019 by FuzzyBot, see https://techbase.kde.org/Translations:Development/FAQs/General_FAQ/55/fr.

.... and so on

Editor's su

12:18, 16 May 2019

Hi,

Long story short: Yes.

Full-sized story:

KDE e. V. (or rather its Board of Directors) has decided to hire a professional documentation writer to improve our technical documentation. Now we should see what Jucato will do to reach his goal. That's all I can say.

13:39, 16 May 2019
 

System Settings

I read in phabricator, that there is a System Settings reorganization planed for Plasma 5.16, so I think that we should wait for 5.16 to be released, before we continue working on the system settings wiki pages (and relevant translation).

18:15, 24 January 2019

Ok. Our target is constantly moving. Documentation is a process. ;)

18:22, 24 January 2019
 

Unused files

Hi Yuri,

I just saw that this wiki has more than 1000 unused images: https://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Special:UnusedFiles&limit=5000 That should we do about this? Delete them, or just ignore them?

I wanted to use https://userbase.kde.org/Special:ListFiles to track the remaining screenshots to update, but it's difficult to find old screenshots that are used somewhere.

15:46, 16 January 2019

I think it is safe to delete icons and screenshots for English locale. Localized screenshots with some low probability level can be reused. Do you need some help to do this?

16:48, 16 January 2019

Thanks I will start cleaning :D. If you want to help you are welcome. But I could also try to write a script to detect old screenshots that are still used, will probably be faster ;)

22:01, 16 January 2019
 
 

Marking for Translation

Hey,

I noticed you marked some of the pages I edited for translation. I'm new to this, but I remember reading new content was automatically marked. Is there something I can do to help you out, perhaps making it myself after editing and adding content, so that you don't have to?

20:27, 25 December 2018

Yes, the breaking into translation units and providing them to the translators is automatic. But somebody has to trigger the process for every translatable page. Moreover, there are things that should be taken into account when doing so (fine granularity of the messages, bracket balance, using consistent numbering of the units). It also needs some additional wiki permissions.

Do you really want to mark the pages for translation? ;)

06:25, 26 December 2018
 

Manually added translation unit tags?

Hi Yuri

Firef has added to the pages Okular and KDE Wallet Manager. The content seems ok (I have only looked at it superficially); however, he seems to have added translation unit tags manually. Can you confirm this?

06:22, 2 March 2018

Sure. I have fixed this. Thanks.

06:34, 2 March 2018
 

DocBook conversion doesn't work

Hi Yuri

We have a problem with the DocBook conversion program - it doesn't work currently. I have filed a ticket with the sysadmins (and added you as subscriber to that ticket). Hopefully the problem can be solve on the server side.

09:51, 25 July 2017

One of our translators is enthusiastic, maybe a bit too enthusiastic.

Hey, I am one of the Krita manual writers.

We are moving our manual to docs.krita.org, which is a mediawiki on kde servers. The benefit of this for us is that we have a bit more flexibility. We will of course be using the excellent translate extension.

Now, one of our translators is a bit confused about the relationship between Krita and KDE, being that Krita is part of KDE, and has put up the majority of our translation pages onto the 'ready for translation' todo, even though we told him not to.

I am not sure what is best now. We will not be updating the pages outside of 'our new docs are at docs.kde.org' on top of each page. And I wouldn't want to give you too much work, but at the same time, I also don't want to confuse you in regards to huge amount of pages that appear and dissapear suddenly from the 'ready for translation' todo.

The topic where this is discussed is here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=130557&p=349474 and I am online at #krita during european daylight.

What do you suggest?

11:28, 15 January 2016

I have no problems with any of your solutions. And no confusions for sure. Everything's under strict control (RSS feed). ;)

Just ask if you want delete/move/do something else with your pages.

Many thanks for documenting Krita.

11:34, 15 January 2016
 
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