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[–]ademnusLieutenant 3 points4 points ago

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I could definitely see the "god of shakaree" as a cytherian, but Id expect he would be some sort of criminal with a serious social problem ;)

However, our part of the gaalxy has many beings very similar to one another. To a multi-dimensional life form humans and romulans might seem virtually identical. Its possible the shakaree entity and cytherians are merely galactic neighbors and share similarities.

[–]GregOttawa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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That's what I thought. Given the date gap between the two encounters, it's possible that the more peaceful Cytherian society we see in TNG did not exist yet in that form at the time of TFF.

[–]ademnusLieutenant 0 points1 point ago

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of course, I also sort of like to pretend TFF never happened lol

[–]KiggsworthyChief Engineer | Second Officer 2 points3 points ago

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I'm glad you posted this, I think I've kind of unconsciously made the connection before but I haven't really thought about it (mostly because I don't spend very much time thinking about TFF, lol).

My first thought upon reading this was to wonder if either of these folks have been explored in the extended universe in novels, etc. From what I can tell on Memory Beta, the Cytherians have never come up outside of the Nth Degree episode. Sha-Ka-Ree though, aka "The One", was fleshed out quite a bit in a TNG novel:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/The_One

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Q-Strike

(actually sounds like a kinda cool book...)

There isn't much of a summary there but it's possible the events and information in that book would make theorizing a connection between the two feasible?

[–]GregOttawa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Well at least in the extended universe, then, they are clearly not the same. According to that Memory Beta article you linked, the origins of "the one" are pretty clear.

I suppose that leaves open the canon possibility that they may yet be the same species.

[–]KiggsworthyChief Engineer | Second Officer 1 point2 points ago

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I mean even if they're not the same species they are clearly in the same class of species, right? Could be interesting relationships there regardless. A follow up on the Cytherians regardless would make a cool piece of extended universe material...

[–]GregOttawa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I'd like to hear more about the Cytherians for sure. Do they have contact with the Romulans, or the Dominion? Are the Borg aware of their existence and vice versa?

And what did Picard learn in "The Nth Degree"? They had an "information exchange" in that episode... but we never get to find out what the Cytherians are actually like.

[–]angrymacfaceChief Petty Officer 0 points1 point ago

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Not necessarily. The Cytherians could just be another technologically advanced bipedal species and that big head was some kind of holographic transmission.

[–]dbold 2 points3 points ago

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I wondered about this too. I would answer why they could travel to the center of the galaxy (some form of transforming similar to Barclay, but perhaps on a smaller level since he wasn't working with his civilization.)

[–]GregOttawa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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There's a continuity issue with reaching the core. In TFF they talk about the barrier, but they don't even mention the distance! The core was far away. I always assumed that the spatial transformation Barclay executed was more to help with speed than crossing the barrier.

[–]BrooklynKnightCrewman 0 points1 point ago

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If I'm not mistaken doesn't the original Daystrom Institute website make an argument for "space lanes" that allow "faster" warp travel or some jargon?

[–]GregOttawa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I don't know. Do you have a link for source?

[–]BrooklynKnightCrewman 1 point2 points ago

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http://www.ditl.org/pagarticle.php?ArticleID=17

I can't find the other article i was thinking about that discussed temporary warp highways but it was there somewhere.

It's in here http://www.ditl.org/pagscitech.php?ScitechID=17&ListID=Scitech

[–]GregOttawa[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Fascinating. It's the first I've heard of these highways.

[–]CorganaKHAAAAAAN! 1 point2 points ago

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Wow. And here I sit, feeling curmudgeonly, mumbling to myself "Bah! There are no new ideas in Trek, only unintended interpretations."

I applaud you, Greg! This is really interesting.

[–]GregOttawa[S] 2 points3 points ago

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This is what comes from daring to watch TFF a second time. I may be the only one.

[–]Flatlander81Lieutenant j.g. 3 points4 points ago

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No connection, after it got it's ass kicked by Kirk the God of Shakaree reformed , took human form, and joined Starfleet (leading a quite successful career), until he died bravely at Wolf 359.

[–]GregOttawa[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I think you may be looking in the wrong universe for an explanation. Additionally, how do we know that JP Hanson was not assimilated at Wolf 359 and killed later when the cube exploded in sector 001?

[–]Flatlander81Lieutenant j.g. 1 point2 points ago

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Either way the JP Hanson personality died at 359 or soon after, whatever would have died at 001 would not have been Him.

Also because I'm not sure if you got the joke, the two are played by the same actor.

[–]GregOttawa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I got it. That's what I meant when I said the "wrong universe". That is, the two are connected only in our universe, and have no connection whatsoever in star trek itself.

[–]KiggsworthyChief Engineer | Second Officer 1 point2 points ago

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Ha! Had me going for a second there :P

[–]TEG24601Ensign 0 points1 point ago

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It was my thought that the Cytherians lived near the center of the Galaxy, not actually at the center. It is possible that the "God of Sha-Ka-Ree" is one of their kind, banished to beyond the great barrier.

Then again, the whole great barrier at the center of the galaxy is so odd, and out of the blue, it hurts to really think about too long.

[–]FistMissileReturns 0 points1 point ago

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Perhaps in some wayward manner, a Cytherian probe may explain Sybok as well.

EDIT: ...or I'm just reaching because he boxed with God.

[–]discolando 0 points1 point ago

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I just watched "The Nth Degree" again on Netflix and had the same exact idea you did. My guess is that the writers were aware of the tie-in to the Final Frontier and the galactic core and threw in the visual reference to the Cytherians as a bit of a wink.

[–]irving47 0 points1 point ago

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To be blunt, I think they just chose to ignore STV altogether. They basically de-canonized it. But, speaking of... What if "John Harrison" is really Sybok, somehow altered, and that's why we see Spock and Harrison doing the hand thing through the glass?
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