The White House

                  Office of the Press Secretary

---------------------------------------------------------------
For Immediate Release                             April 23, 1993

                     Background Information:

                    Advancing U.S. Relations
        with Russia and the other New Independent States

                         April 23, 1993

At the Vancouver summit, President Clinton and President Yeltsin
agreed to pursue a number of measures designed to implement an
economic and strategic partnership between the U.S. and Russia.
Since then, President Clinton has directed that a number of steps
be taken to move this process forward.  The Administration is
announcing a number of steps today in order to underscore its
deep commitment to a new and closer partnership with Russia based
on its government's commitment to reform.

Executive Review of Cold War Laws

President Clinton and President Yeltsin discussed the
desirability of reviewing and updating U.S. laws and regulations
to reflect the end of the Cold War.  Congress has already acted
to revise many laws to reflect the fact that a communist Soviet
Union has been replaced by a democratic Russia and other
independent states.  However, many laws and regulations remain
that contain language and restrictions that fail to reflect the
end of the Cold War and that unnecessarily undermine relations
with Russia and the other new independent states.

The President today has ordered an Executive review of laws and
regulations so that, where appropriate and consistent with U.S.
security and other national interests, such provisions can be
revised or removed.  He has asked Ambassador-at-large Strobe
Talbott to coordinate this review on an expedited basis.  The
President has indicated that he will welcome congressional
efforts to help this review proceed as quickly as possible.

This review will weigh all considerations that pertain to
revision of such provisions, and the initiation of the review may
help to remedy some of the circumstances that have justified such
provisions in the past.  For example, because the Russians are
eager to have their status changed under the Jackson-Vanik
legislation, President Yeltsin personally assured President
Clinton in Vancouver that he would look into individual cases
involving continuing restrictions on emigration from Russia.  By
addressing such issues, this review can help strengthen the bonds
of trust and partnership between the U.S. and Russia, and between
the U.S. and the other new independent states.

Review of COCOM

It is also time to consider expeditiously with America's allies
the future of another Cold War institution -- the Coordinating
Committee for Multilateral Export Controls (COCOM).  The United
States has begun a thorough review of how to reorient export
controls to the post-Cold War world, in which Russia is no longer
viewed as a potential adversary, but as a potential ally in
combatting the proliferation of sensitive technology.

Steps to Improve the Security Relationship

The President also has taken steps to move ahead on a range of
efforts discussed in Vancouver that can strengthen U.S. security
and improve our security relationship with the Russians and the
other states.

Accelerated Deactivation of Nuclear Weapons

In Vancouver, the two Presidents discussed accelerating the
process of deactivating nuclear strategic systems scheduled for
elimination under the START I Treaty.  President Clinton has
directed the Department of Defense to complete this process well
in advance of the seven year reduction period outlined in START
I.  In addition, the United States, together with Russia and the
other relevant states of the former Soviet Union, will be
exploring programs under Nunn-Lugar to help them to accelerate
this process.

Multilateral Test Ban

The two Presidents agreed at Vancouver that negotiations on a
multilateral nuclear test ban should commence at an early date,
and that the two governments would consult with each other
accordingly.  The United States looks forward to beginning
consultations with Russia, our allies, and other states, on the
specific issues related to this negotiation.  The United States
expects to start this consultative process within the next two
months.

Detargeting

The two Presidents also began a dialogue on the issue of nuclear
targeting at Vancouver.  As the United States and Russia move
into a new relationship of strategic partnership, there is a need
to reexamine many of the assumptions and means employed in the
past to safeguard U.S. security against a nuclear adversary.  The
Administration is beginning a comprehensive review of measures
that could enhance strategic stability, including recent
proposals for detargeting nuclear missiles.

Other Measures to Create a New Security Relationship

In response to the incident involving a collision between US and
Russian submarines last month, Secretary Aspin will be ready to
discuss ways to avoid such incidents in the future with Russian
Defense Minister Grachev during his visit to the United States in
late May.

Secretary Aspin will also be prepared to move forward with
Defense Minister Grachev in May to develop a combined training
program between our two military forces and to prepare for joint
exercises in peacekeeping, such as that authorized by the UN
Security Council.  The United States looks forward to broadening
such training and exercises to include other peacekeeping
contributors, in order to improve inter-operability, readiness,
and planning for multilateral peacekeeping operations.  The US
and Russia are working together to convene a May Ministerial
Meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss proposals for
enhancing the UN's peacekeeping capability and to move
consideration of the Secretary-General's Agenda for Peace from
the discussion to the implementation phase.  The U.S. is also
working with the Russians to focus specifically on improvements
in the financing and management of UN operations.  The purpose of
these initiatives will be to cooperate on peacekeeping for our
participation in UN or CSCE sponsored actions.

Multilateral and Bilateral Partnership with Reform

Finally, the Administration continues to move ahead on a range of
initiatives aimed at striking a partnership with economic and
political reformers throughout Russia and the other states.  The
Administration is continuing work with our G-7 partners to
assemble the package of multilateral assistance that Secretaries
Bentsen and Christopher recently negotiated in Tokyo.  And the
Administration is continuing consultation with Congress over the
further efforts the U.S. will take to assist the process of
reform in Russia and the other states.

                           *    *    *

The Administration believes these steps can increase American
security while improving the relationship between the U.S. and
Russia, and between the U.S. and the other new independent
states.


Yes I have written something that creates meshed fractal terrain
surfaces for exactly the purpose you require, importing into 3D
modelling packages. Be warned, the data content is high and brings
many packages to their knees. We use it primarily for MicroStation
but it exports DXF, as well as other formats, so you should be OK.
You can get it from my FTP mirror site in the US.
It is
   wuarchive.wustl.edu
my stuff is located in the
   mirrors/architec
directory. Please FTP the README file first.

--
Paul D Bourke                       School of Architecture, Property, Planning
pdbourke@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz        The University of Auckland
Ph:   +64 -9 373 7999 x7367         Private Bag 92019
Fax:  +64 -9 373 7410               Auckland, New Zealand


It is 'Serdar', 'kocaoglan'.

Just say so.

 The SUNDAY TIMES 8 March 1992
 Morgues fill as Azeris head for all-out war
 -------------------------------------------
 Thomas Goltz, the first to report the massacre by Armenian soldiers in
 the worst violence since the breakup of the Soviet Union, reports from
 Agdam
 ------
 Khojaly used to be a barren town, with empty shops and treeless dirt
 roads. Yet it was still home to thousands of people who, in happier
 times, tended fields and flocks of geese. Last week it was wiped off
 the map.
 .......
 As sickening reports trickled in to the Azerbaijani border town of
 Agdam, and the bodies piled up in the morgues, there was little doubt
 that Khojaly and the stark foothills and gullies around it had been
 the site of the most terrible massacre since the Soviet Union broke
 apart.
 .......
 I was the last Westerner to visit Khojaly. That was in january and
 people were predicting their fate with grim resignation. Zumrut Ezoya,
 a mother of four on board the helicopter that ferried us into the
 town, called her community "sitting ducks, ready to get shot". She and
 her family were among the victims of the massacre on February 26.
 .......
 "The Armenians have taken all the outlying villages, one by one, and
 the government does nothing." Balakisi Sakikov, 55, a father of five,
 said. "Next they will drive us out or kill us all," said Dilbar, his
 wife. The couple, their three sons and three daughters were killed in
 the assault, as were many other people I had spoken to.
 ......
 "It was close to the Armenian lines we knew we would have to cross.
 There was a road, and the first units of the column ran across then
 all hell broke loose. Bullets were raining down from all sides. we had
 just entered their trap."
 The azeri defenders picked off one by one. Survivors say that Armenian
 forces then began a pitiless slaughter, firing at anything moved in
 the gullies. A video taken by an azeri cameraman, wailing and crying
 as he filmed body after body, showed a grizzly trail of death leading
 towards higher, forested ground where the villagers had sought refuge
 from the Armenians.
 "The Armenians just shot and shot and shot," said Omar Veyselov, lying
 in hospital in Agdam with sharapnel wounds. "I saw my wife and
 daughter fall right by me."
 People wandered through the hospital corridors looking for news of the
 loved ones. Some vented their fury on foreigners: " Where is my
 daughter, where is my son ?" wailed a mother. "Raped. Butchered. Lost."
 Azerbaijan has said as many as 1,000 refugees were killed as they
 tried to flee. The Armenians have denied this, saying the civilians
 were caught in "crossfire".
 .......

Are you idiot for real?

     'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?'
      (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy),
          "The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi", p. 213.)

You must be the only moronian left on the net to believe those
ASALA/SDPA/ARF forgeries. What a clown...

                    'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in
                     whatever circumstances you find them. Turkish children
                     also should be killed as they form a danger to the
                     Armenian nation.' (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)[1]

 [1] M. Varandian, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun," p. 85.

Serdar Argic


FULL 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
home team in CAPS		*=if necesary

FIRST ROUND
Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins
Gm 1:	Springfield 3	PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 2:	Springfield 5	PROVIDENCE 4
Gm 3:	Providence 3	SPRINGFIELD 2
Gm 4:	Providence 9	SPRINGFIELD 0
Gm 5:	Springfield 4	PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 6:	4/24	Providence at Springfield
Gm 7:	4/27	Springfield at Providence	*

CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings
Gm 1:	ADIRONDACK 6	CDI 2
Gm 2:	ADIRONDACK 5	CDI 3
Gm 3:	Adirondack 3	CDI 0
Gm 4:	Adirondack 3	CDI 1
(ADIRONDACK WINS SERIES, 4-0)

Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers
Gm 1:	Baltimore 4	BINGHAMTON 3
Gm 2:	BINGHAMTON 6	Baltimore 2
Gm 3:	Binghamton 8	BALTIMORE 3
Gm 4:	4/24	Binghamton at Baltimore
Gm 5:	4/26	Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 6:	4/28	Binghmaton at Baltimore	*
Gm 7:	4/30	Baltimore at Binghamton	*

Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans
Gm 1:	Utica 3		ROCHESTER 2	(OT)
Gm 2:	ROCHESTER 9	Utica 3
Gm 3:	Rochester 6	UTICA 4
Gm 4:	Rochester 4	UTICA 3		(OT)
Gm 5:	4/24	Utica at Rochester
Gm 6:	4/26	Rochester at Utica	*
Gm 7:	4/28	Utica at Rochester	*

Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs
Gm 1:	St JOHN'S 4	Moncton 2	(at Halifax)
Gm 2:	ST JOHN'S 3	Moncton 2	(at Halifax)
Gm 3:	St John's 6	MONCTON 5
Gm 4:	MONCTON 5	St John's 4	(OT)
Gm 5:	4/26	Moncton vs St John's at Halifax
Gm 6:	4/28	St John's at Moncton		*
Gm 7:	4/30	Moncton vs St John's at Halifax	*

Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens
Gm 1:	FREDERICTON 4	Cape Breton 3	(2OT)
Gm 2:	Cape Breton 5	FREDERICTON 2
Gm 3:	CAPE BRETON 3	Fredericton 0
Gm 4:	CAPE BRETON 6	Fredericton 5 	(OT)
Gm 5:	4/24	Cape Breton at Fredericton
Gm 6:	4/26	Fredericton at Cape Breton	*
Gm 7:	4/28	Cape Breton at Fredericton	*
(note about this series: the AP reports that CB has won this
 series 4-1, but in the original schedule, Game 5 wasn't supposed
 to be until tonight and I only have the Oilers as being up 3-1)


A friend of mine needs spec for a used hard drive he just got:
It is a Western Digital, IDE, 340 meg
with 1010 cylinders and 12 heads.  We believe the model number is
wd2340A, but we can't be sure.  It is a 12 ms, 3.5" model.

Any info would be appreciated, either from somone who knows, or maybe
western digitals phone number


+>[My problem] turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40
+>carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
+>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
+>on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
+>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
+
+Gee, I always figured that it was the loose screws on/in the _rider_
+that were most likely to cause any problems.  Did you check for that
+at the same time?

That is very true.  However, screws have been loose on this rider
for quite some time, so they had been taken into account.
____________________________________________________________________________
		Russian Roulette is fun 5 out of 6 times


Resinfo (research and information) is currently seeking contact
_IN_ the United Kingdom with researchers of 'phenylanine', or is
this amino acid uninspiring?


Now, almost 100 years later, we have the right words for the problem here.

Phone calls are "virtual visits".  Those experienced in virtual reality
would know from that title that phone calls need to have all the properties
of a walk in the park with your friend -- security from casual overhearing
and easy verification to see if anyone is listening secretively.  As designed,
they fail at that.

..trouble is, telephones were invented a long time ago and people didn't
realize the danger or the concept of virtual reality back then.


"Liberate" is the way an invader describes an invasion, including, if
I'm not mistaken, the Iraqi liberation of Kuwait.  Never invaded
Nicaragua?  Only with more word games: can you say "send in the
Marines?"

Oh, good: word games.  If you let the aggressor pick the words,
there's scarcely ever been a reprehensible military action.

That's a convenient technique, much seen on alt.atheism: define those
who disagree with you according to a straw-man extreme that matches
virtually nobody.

Very noble and patriotic.  I'm sure the fine young Americans who
carpet-bombed Iraqi infantry positions from over the horizon,
destroyed Iraq's sewer and water infrastructure from the safety of the
sky or further, or who bulldozed other Iraqi infantry into their
trenches [or more importantly the commanders who ordered them to] were
just thrilled to be risking death (if not risking it by much) in the
defense of the liberty of ... well, wealthy Kuwaitis.  Can't have
those oil-fields under a tyrant's heel if that tyrant is antagonistic
to US interests...

Having pigeon-holed "peace-niks" (in this context, "people who
disagree with me about the conduct of the Gulf War") into
"peace-at-all-cost-hitler-supporting-genocide-abetting-wimps", you can
now express righteous indignation when "they" refuse to fit this mold
and question the conduct of the war on legitimate terms.  HOW DARE
THEY!

Yes, hypocrisy indeed!  Those violent peace-niks!  (Care to list an
example here?)

Wow: instant '80's nostalgia!  [Of course, "peace-nik" itself is a
'50's Cold War derogatory term equating those who promote pacifism
with Godless Pinko Communists].  Yes indeed, I felt my freedoms
mightily threatened by Iraq...


Point 1:

I'm beginning to see that *part* of the disagreements about the whole
"yeast issue" is on differing perceptions and on differing meanings
of words.  Medical doctors have a very specific and specialized "jargon",
necessary for precise communication within their field (which I'm fully
cognizant of since I, too, speak "jargonese" when with my peers).  For the
situation in sci.med, many times the words or phrases used by doctors can
have a different and more specific meaning than the same word used in the
world at large, causing significant miscommunication.  One example word,
and very relevant to the yeast discussion, is the exact meaning of "systemic".
It is now obvious to me that the meaning of this word is very specific, much
more so than its meaning to a non-doctor.  There is also the observation of
this newsgroup that both doctors and non-doctors come together on essentially
equal terms, which, when combined with the jargon issue, can further fan
the flames.  This is probably the first time that practicing doctors get
really "beat up" by non-doctors for their views on medicine, which they
otherwise don't see much of in their practice except for the occasional
"difficult" patient.

Point 2:

I understand the viewpoint among many practicing doctors that they will not
prescribe any treatments/therapies for their patients unless such treatments
have been shown to be effective and the risks understood from well-constructed
clinical trials (usually double-blind), or that such treatments/therapies are
part of an approved and funded clinical trial.  To these doctors, to do any
differently would, in this belief system, be unethical practice.  And it
follows that any therapy not on the "accepted" list is therefore a non-
therapy - it does not even exist, nor does the underlying hypothesis or
theory have any validity, even if it sounds very plausible by extrapolation
of what is currently known.  Anecdotal evidence has no value, either, from
a treatment point-of-view.

And by and large, as a scientist myself, I am glad that medical practice/
science takes such a rigorous approach to medical treatment.  However, as
also being a human being (last I checked), and having been one of those people
that has been significantly helped by a currently unaccepted treatment, where
"standard" medicine was not able to help me, has caused me to sit back and
wonder if holding such an extreme and rigid "scientific" viewpoint is in
itself unethical from humanitarian considerations.  After all, the underlying
intent of the "scientific" approach to medicine is to protect the health of
the patient by providing the best possible care for the patient, so the
patient should come first when considering treatment.

What we need is a slightly modified approach to treatment that satisfies both
the "scientific" and the "humanitarian" viewpoints.  In an earlier post I
outlined a crazy idea for doing just that.  The gist of it was to give any
physician freedom and encouragement by the medical community to prescribe
alternate, not yet proven therapies (maybe supported by anecdotal evidence)
for patients who *all* avenues of accepted therapies have been exhausted
(and not until then).  The patient would be fully informed that such
therapies/treatments are not supported by the proper clinical trials and that
there are real potential risks with real possibilities of no benefit derived
from them.

This approach satisfies the need for scientific rigor.  It also satisfies
the humanitarian needs of the patient.  And the reality is that many patients
who have reached a dead-end in the treatment of their symptoms using accepted
medicine *will* go outside the orthodox medical community:  either to the
doctors who are brave enough to prescribe such treatments at the risk of losing
their license, or worse, to non-doctors who have not had the proper medical
training.  This approach also recognizes this reality and keeps the control
more within orthodox medicine, with the benefits that the information gleaned
could help focus limited resources towards future clinical trials in the most
productive way.  Everybody wins in this admittedly rose-colored approach - I'm
sure there are real problems with this approach as well - it is presented
more as a strawman to stimulate discussion.

Hopefully what I write here may give the sci.med doctors a better idea as to
why I am "open" to alternative therapies, as well as why I have real
difficulty (read "apparent hostility") with the "coldness" of the 99.9% pure
"scientific" approach to medicine.  I believe the best approach to medical
treatment is one where both the "humanitarian" aspects are balanced with and
by the "scientific" aspects.  Anything else is just not good medicine, imho.
Just my 'NF' leanings, I guess.  :^)

Comments?

Jon Noring

--

Charter Member --->>>  INFJ Club.


Sorry Charles...According to the National Safety Council, ACCIDENT FACTS,1991
"In 1990, gun accidents were the fifth-leading cause of accidental death
for children ages 14 and under."

 That thinking is so screwed up, I don't even know how to respond to it.
A rational person would concentrate on motor vehicle deaths, and not attempt
to affect childhood falls, drownings, gunshot injuries, etc.????????????????
So this so called rational person, (using your definition), if he or she
were attempting to affect the leading causes of deaths for adults aged 25
through 64 would only worry about cancer, and would not try to decrease
LESSER CAUSES such as heart disease, injuries, stroke, suicide, liver disease,
chronic lung disease, homicide, HIV infection, or diabetes.  Oh, okay Charles,
that makes a lot of sense.  I tell you what Charles, I'll call the Heart
Foundation and suicide hotlines and tell them that they are not acting rational
and that they can all go home because they are addressing the LESSER CAUSES
of death.  And you call your local police homicide department, liver foundation
and diabetes foundation and tell them to stop addressing these lesser causes.
Please, quit wasting my time with this silly shit Charles.

I've got an idea Charles, why don't you start a talk.politics.caraccidents
group or talk.politics.fall group?  This is talk.politics.guns.  Don't
confuse the issue.  Just because a social problem may not claim as many
victims as another, we should not try to address it?  I don't agree.
I'm not posting to t.p.g to debate the supposed severity of causes of
childhood deaths. I am really getting frigging sick of having to respond
to the irrational statements of people who assume that someone who
wants to discuss youth gun violence or unintentional youth gun deaths
is trying to make a political issue out of it.

 Again Charles, you tend to confuse the issue and take things out of context
for your own purposes.  The statement that you responded to above is actually
in reference to a previous post by another person who, like you, expressed
concern over making youth gun violence a priority.  I guess, maybe Humane
person and Rational person could be interchangeable huh? Both would be defined
as "a person who only addresses the social problem that causes the greatest
number of childhood deaths."  If that is the case, I'm extremely glad that I
am inhumane and irrational.

Sorry Charles, the FBI Uniform Crime Report is WELL known for misrepresenting
the facts.  But if you insist, according to the 1990 UCR, "Firearm murders
of youngsters 19 and under increased 125 percent between 1984 and 1990"

Is the National Center for Health Statistics good enough for you?  They state
that "Every day, 12 American children ages 19 and under are killed in gun
accidents, suicides, and homicides.  Many more are wounded".

Or how about the National Pediatric Trauma Registry?  They say "Gunshot
wounds to children ages 16 and under nearly doubled in major urban areas
between 1987 and 1990."

Do you also doubt the American Academy of Pediatrics Charles???  They state
that "Gunshot wounds among children in urban areas increased 300% from
1986 to 1988."

Charles, I hope you don't need to be convinced that youth are increasingly
victims of gun injuries and that they have easy access to guns.  If you don't
realize this fact, (I don't care if you go by CDC or FBI data, or if you go
into the homes, schools, and streets where these kids are and take a poll
by yourself), I'm not going to bother to try to convince you.  Its obvious
that you have ruled out any idea of discussing this issue in a sane fashion
and that you are so focused on trying to make this a gun control and political
discussion.  I really don't want to do that.

 Charles, it's obvious that you know nothing about the CDC.
They don't just study cancer and heart disease.  I've got news for you,
interpersonal gun violence IS an epidemic.  In 1984, Surgeon General
C. Everett Koop declared that gun violence is as much a public health
problem as cancer, heart disease, or auto accidents.

WHO THE F**K SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TEACHING CHILDREN TO SAFELY HANDLE
FIREARM CHARLES??? In the future, if you are going to post to t.p.g and jump
into a previous discussion, please read the entire posting, not just 1
sentence that you decide to respond to. What the hell are you saying here???
You're wasting time and space trying to make a political and gun control
issue out of a discussion that isn't.
Charles buddy, I'm getting really tired of this.  Do you live on the planet
Mars???  As a physicist, I realize that you probably don't come into contact
with many youth, but I REALLY think you need to make a trip to your local
urban high school and discover the joy of guns in schools.  In addition
spend a few minutes talking to these kids.  Ask them if they have ever heard
gunshots in their neighborhoods, whether they know anyone who has been shot,
whether they know anyone who has a gun, whether they have ever held a gun, and
whether they themselves have ever been shot.

Believe me Charles, THAT will be your *INDEPENDENT* VERIFICATION.


AHL PLAYOFF SCORES-- FIRST ROUND	(home team in CAPS)
================================

GAMES PLAYED ON TUES, 4/20
-------------------------
Rochester 6	UTICA 4
Fredericton at Cape Breton

SERIES STATI (plural of status? :)
----------------------------------
Adirondack leads CDI, 3-0
Providence tied w/Springfield, 2-2
Binghamton tied w/Baltimore, 1-1
Rochester leads Utica, 2-1
St John's leads Moncton, 2-0
Cape Breton tied w/Fredericton, 1-1


I am trying to setup two Seagate Tech. hard drives as
master and slave in the same system...
what i need to do such is the jumper schematics of the
two hard drives that i have...
my two Seagate HD:	ST3144A, 124MB
			ST3283A, 233MB

I need the jumpter setting schematics for these two Harddrives...
thanx for you help in advance...


Hi,

I have been told by a local sales that Asante has come out with this
LCIII PDS Ethernet adapter with an optional 68882 socket on the board.
My question is will the FPU performance degrade will I put the 68882
on the PDS card socket instead of on the motherboard itself? Intuitively,
the math co-processor should always be placed close to the CPU, but
I am not sure how good Apple's so-called processor-direct slot is when
it comes to throughout. Does anyone know the answer to this or have
any experience with the Asante LCIII Ethernet adapter? Thanks in advance.

Andy


We would like to keep it that way. Thats the point. By reacting
strongly and forcefully now, we will assure that we continue to remain
free. You cannot overreact to a threat like this. The worst that
happens if we overreact is that we waste time and effort. The worst that
happens if we underreact is tyranny. I prefer overreaction myself.

Doesn't that tell you how precious and hard to maintain freedom is?

Only through centuries of overreaction have we managed to maintain
ourselves in this state of even moderate freedom. I suggest that
overreacting now and in the future is a good thing.

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com


 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not unreasonable, since the SMARTDRV packaged with DOS 6 is version 4.1.
Make sure that all your drivers (HIMEM, EMM386, SMARTDRV) are being
executed from the DOS directory.

Loss of the cache provided by SMARTDRV could be your problem; if not,
I don't know what might cause the startup delay.  My testbed for DBLSPACE
(which has a *very* minimal amount of data on the disk so that I don't
eat up too much time as I install and uninstall DBLSPACE) boots in
about 20 seconds from the "Starting MS-DOS" herald to the end of the
AUTOEXEC.BAT execution.  I don't have handy a system with a more
realistic volume of data to time.


But it IS made false by your ridiculous leap of logic from "monogamous
homosexual male sex is so rare" (which is a load of horseshit--as
proportionately many queers are monogamous as hets, and the ones who aren't
use condoms, for the most part) to "for practical purposes, homosexuality
spreads AIDS."  No.  Unprotected sex with an infected partner spreads AIDS.
These "practical purposes" you speak of are obviously the purposes of
spreading homophobia, which leads me to an interesting truth: "Cramer
spreads hate."  Isn't that nice?

You mean, "Typical homosexual response to Clayton E. Cramer."  I think any
human being would react that way to someone as contemptibly hateful as you,
actually.  I seem to hear the same sort of thing coming from your posts, you
know....

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Planning to make this a complete sentence anytime soon?

Drewcifer


930425

Let's start with the name "Rosicrucian". I took me a long time to come
to the conclusion that there is a difference between a *member* of a
"rosicrucian" body and BEING *a* ROSICRUCIAN. So when you say that you met
some 'rosicrucians' you mean "members of a group that calls themselves
rosicrucian". At least that is what your observation suggests :-)

Response:

This makes much sense to me.  This is also true of most religions.
There is a difference between being a *member* of a group of people
who call themselves 'Hindus' or 'Christians' or 'Pagans' and actually
*BEING* any of these.  The social groups tend to make very important
requirements about not belonging to other 'religions'.  I find that
the ideal described by the holy texts of most religions can be
interpreted in very similar ways so that one could presume that
'mysticism' is the core of every religion and Huxley's 'Perennial
Philosophy' is the Great Secret Core of all mystical trads. :>

Tony:

I'd prefer if you would have stated up front that it was the Lectorium
Rosicrucianum, only because they may be confused, by some readers of this
newsgroup, with the Rosicrucian Order AMORC based (the USA Jurisdiction) in
San Jose, CA; this being the RC org with the most members (last time I
looked). Of course, "most members" does not *necessarily* mean "best".

Response:

Certainly true.  I didn't know there WERE any groups which called themselves
'Rosicrucians' that didn't associate with AMORC.  Sure, I've heard all the
hubbub about the Golden Dawn and Rosae Crucis in relation to all these
Western esoteric groups, but hadn't heard about other 'Rosicrucians'.
I'll admit my bias.  I live in San Jose. :>

Tony:

"You'll have to trust me" when I tell you that if that
lecture/class/whatever had been presented by AMORC, it is unlikely that you
would have had the same impression, i.e., you'd probably have had a
positive impression more likely than a negative one, IMHO.

Response:

This may be slightly off.  I've met some of these Rosicrucians and have
a couple friends in AMORC.  The stories I've heard and the slight contact
I've had with them does not give me the hope that I'd be received with
any kind of warm welcome.  I still like to think that most people who
are involved with stratified relationships (monogamy, religion, etc.)
are in DEEP pain and hope to heal it within such a 'cast'.

Tony:

It is curious to know that 3 other RC 'orders' (in the USA) claim to be *non-
sectarian*.

Response:

I'd like to know at least the addresses of the 'other orders' which call
themselves 'Rosicrucians' and especially those which are 'nonsectarian'.
Is this 'nonsectarian' like the Masons, who require that a member 'believe
in God by his/her definition'?

Tony:

I don't see nothing *fundamentally* wrong with "us containing
something divine"... And yes I don't like phrases like "eternal bliss"
either! :-)

Response:

Let alone us *BEING* something divine. ;>

Tony:

BTW, I have read the intro letters of the LRC which they will mail you free
of charge.

Response:

Addresses, phone numbers of groups?  I'm into networking.  Thanks.


JG> After this fall, I believe IBM no longer has any rights to
JG> view Microsoft code.  After that, the only way to maintain
JG> some sort of compatibility is to reverse-engineer.  Would
JG> you want to reverse-engineer an OLE2 application?

Don't they retain Windows NT OEM status? If so, that gives them NT
source code, and since Windows is headed toward NT... (Win32S, Win32C)

 * SLMR 2.1a * --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E--


On the news from radio station KANU (Lawrence, KS) about 6:15 this Monday
morning, I heard someone with a nasal-sounding voice (supposedly the Waco
coroner?) claim that he had found TWO persons killed with a single shot
to the forehead.
--Myron.


Of course, then there's the other side. An article in yesterday's Atlanta
Journal stated that there are many scientists who have misgivings that the
data being used to determine whether or not global warming is occuring is
faulty. The point that the article made is that all long term temperature
dataa collected has been in urban areas, and that any heat rise can be
attributed to the growth and urbanization of the area. They called it
the "asphalt temperature trend". We have no real long term data on remote
areas, such as the middle of the Amazon rain forest, or the top of Mt. Everest
or the Gobi desert, for that matter. An accompanying article mentioned that
a group of scientists at NASA had developed a method for using a satellite
to collect temperature data globally, and that preliminary results showed
a slight downward trend attributed to the Mt Pinatubo eruption. It went
on to say that even with the current downward trend, there appeared to be
*NO* change in global temperatures using trend prediction methods for at
least the next 50 years.

I can quote the article verbatim if you like..


I've heard that in California they ask you to swear without any
mention of a god.  What states actually include "god" in the
courtroom oath?


The simplest and cheapest soft UV bulb is an AR-1 argon bulb (or other argon
bulb).  It works like a neon bulb except it glows purple.  It will cause
stuff to fluoresce.  It requires very little power, just a battery, an
oscillator, and a step-up transformer to about 100 volts.


The Isles picked one hell-of-a-time to get their first win all year after being
down after 2 periods. The Caps seemed to have the game in hand playing steady
defense and getting great goaltending from Tabaracci. The Isles power play
philosophy continues to be dump-and-chase which, except for boardaholics like
Flatley, doesn't work against the Caps. I hope Al realizes this!! They have too
many talented finesse players, so why not carry the puck in and set-up??? If
last night's game is any omen, the Isles could be on their way to that ole
championship form; COMING from behind late in a game. My advice to the Caps is
to pounce on those Healy Rebounds. Flatley showed alot of heart by playing the
last period and overtime despite an almost swollen-shut left eye injury
suffered at the hands of Dale Hunter. Ray Ferraro has arrived just in time for
the playoffs showing the fiesty hustle that us Islander fans remember from an
Italian from the past; JOHN TONELLI!!! It was Tonelli who won a similar game
against the PENS in game 5 on the 82 playoffs. The Isles scored two late third
period goals to send the game into OT tied at 3. In OT, Tonelli scored the game
winner to send the Isles to the next round. The Isles have lacked this tenacity
for years, but perhaps its BACK! It was good to see the Coliseum packed just
like the ole days!!! Good luck to the Isles the rest of the way!!!!!

John Scialdone
SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV


On Tuesday, when it was raining in Chicago, ESPN provided
bonus hockey coverage.  Now it seems as though some fans are ticked off
that the NY-Wash OT was replaced with the Angels-?? game.  People must
realize that there are more baseball fans instead of hockey fans in the U.S
The baseball game was scheduled to air and advertisers money was paid so
they can't skip the baseball game.  Why don't you people CHILL OUT
and enjoy whatever coverage you can get.


So, you approve of the BATF launching a 100-person raid, complete
with flack jackets, men hidden in horse trailers, stun grenades,
semi-auto weapons on peaceful citizens?  who would also accept
a search authoried by a court?

There is still no proof that the Branch Davidians had illegal weapons.
Nothing else was in the jurisdiction of the BATF, unless they were
thought to have a still, or be smoking untaxed cigarettes.

The automatic firearms violation is a TAX matter !  You don't serve
no-knock warrants on someone with .50 CAL MGs.  It isn't necessary
(they can't flush a machine gun down a toilet, you know), and it isn't
smart (if you are right, you got a good chance of getting blown away.
if you are wrong, you shouldn't have done it.)

The stupidity was indeed related to this.  But the stupidity may have been to
attempt to serve the warrant by ludicrously over-armed, over-protected
and over-confident gestapo.  Escalation isn't automatically brilliant.

IT WAS A TAX MATTER !  YOU CAN"T FLUSH MGs DOWN THE TOILET !
YOU DON"T NEED NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR EVERYTHING.

Actually, IMHO nothing justifies them, but that is another argument .
There wasn't any murder of police officers.  There was probable cause
to arrest them for murder perhaps.  We US citizens are innocent until proven
guilty.

There also wasn't any killing until the BATF screwed up real bad.

Lew


Well, there were 27 outs in a row with no hits or walks in between, but
really, he only retired 26 batters in a row.  The first out of the game
was the front end of a double play.  Still counts as a back-end perfect
game in my book, though.

Congrats to Chris Bosio.  Too bad the Brewers couldn't hold on to him.


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no its not.

its due to the fact that there are two issues here: Religion and religion.

religion is personal belief system.
Religion is a memetic virus.

people loudly proclaiming their beliefs are crossing the border from
religion -> Religion.  people that want to "save" others are firmly
entrenched in Religion ("memoids").

rule #1 of not practicing Religion is to shut the fuck up, unless
you discuss it politely.  this means that the motive behind the conversation
is not only your self-gratifying wish to spread the word.

religion is something that ultimately comes from within a person, and
reflects their value judgements.  Religion is something that is
contracted from others and does not reflect the persons value judgements
(other than perhaps "i think i'll be brainwashed today").

Religion is a drug...

i believe you can discuss religion.  however, the post that started this
off was not intented as discussion, it was more a proclamation of
someones Religion.


SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!!  I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!

JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!

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Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu


Thanx Craig.... in addition to Craigs coments - and to clear up any
further confusion.... the 200SX (of USA) was reffered to as a Silvia Turbo
in the UK.... performance figures of UK 200SX are:


My sentiments exactly... which is why I'm unsubbing from this group.
This is the 3rd 'christian' discussion list I have ever belonged to
and once again I'm being chased away by the strife, anger, discontent,
lies, et al .

As Paul (Saul) said, 'I come to preach Christ, and Him crucified'
Don't let the simple beauty of faith in God get overshadowed by heady
theological discussions or thousands of lines of post-incarnation
trappings of some church.

As for the atheists/agnostics who read this list: if you aren't
christian and if you have no intention of ever becoming one why on
earth do you waste your time and mine by participating on a christian
discussion list ?

I will continue to search for christian discussion (prayerful, spirit-filled,
kind, humble, patient, etc.) in other circles.

--
  Sheila Patterson, CIT CR-Technical Support Group
  315 CCC - Cornell University
  Ithaca, NY  14853
  (607) 255-5388


(Peter White) writes

You've missed on very important passage.

2 Thess. 1:6-10
 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who
afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when
the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming
fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do
not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. And these will pay the penalty of
eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of
His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be
marveled at among all who have believed-- for our testimony to you was
believed.

Things to note from this passage.  Unbelievers are both those who openly reject
the gospel, and those who do not know God.  The eternal destruction is the same
as the eternal hope in 2:16.  This distructions primarily emphasize that it is
separation from the presence of God.  THe context is speaking of the 2nd advent
while 2:1 is speaking of the rapture.  Don't confuse the two.

Yet we have a far greater discription of hell that we do heaven.

 For instance,

If this was like earthly fire that requires a gas producing substance to
ignite.
However, there seems to be a different type of fire as expressed in the burning
bush that was not consumed.  Also, the Daniel acct. shows that the laws of
nature can be interupted even with earthly fire.

Maybe you don't understand.  There will be those who are alive at the end of
the millenium, who will walk straight into the GWTJ.  Even those who have died
in their sin will be resurrected, i.e. reunited with their physical body, to
receive condemnation.

This is contrary to the teaching of Scripture.

THis is conjecture at best if you are using it to support the "no physical
body" thesis.

The true awlfulness of hell, is that it is eternal separation from God, after
having seen the glory of His presence at the GWTJ.  But whether it was open
rebellion against the revealed gospel of Christ or if it is not having known
GOd (not saught Him as He is), then as Paul says, they are without excuss and
that every mouth will be stopped.  There will be no defense at the judgment
seat of God. THerefore we understand "it is appointed unto man once to die, and
then comes judgment" literally.

just because it is horrific, doesn't make it less of a reality.
it should compel those of us who have the riches of Christ to share it with
others


Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ???

bd


I know there's already a bmw mailing list, but since it's an R bike
only list (and limited to the R80* R100* bikes as well I believe)
I've decided to give this a go and see how much interest there is.
please read all of this post if you plan on subscribing to the list!

there is only one restriction for the discussion on this list, that it
be about BMW's. I don't care which BMW, any and all are welcome. I will
probably post articles that appear in the local BMW club newsletter, and
would incourage other club members to do the same, especially tech
articles.

to subscribe to the list, send a message to the list address:

                    bmw@rider.cactus.org

with the word SUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message. having
the word SUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to subscribe. if you
put the keyword in the message body, your message will go out to everyone
on the list and you will be ridiculed beyond belief.

       ** your From: line must have a valid return address    **
       ** the list sw will use the address in your From: line **

if you would like to use a return address _other_ than what is contained
in your From: line, do not send mail to the list! send a note directly to
me (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll take care of it manually.

the list sw will hack up the outgoing message From: line so that your
original full name in ()'s is preserved, but the return address is
replaced with the mailing list address (bmw@rider.cactus.org). this
allows you to simply reply to a message to keep it on the list (depending
on your mail interface natch. I use elm so that's what I wrote it for :-).
keep this in mind when you reply to a message and question the authors
parentage.

to remove your name from the list, send a message to the list address
with the word UNSUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message.
having the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to remove
your name from the list. if you put the keyword in the message body,
your message will go out to everyone on the list and you will be ridiculed
beyond belief.

the list is run from my home system, a poor little 286 box running a
very old version of something that smells somewhat like unix. the MTA
isn't the smartest around, but I've managed to hack it up enough to make
a decent list MTA. additions and removals are handled automatically by
scripts that intercept messages based on the subject (see below) and
may occassionally goof. the sw will send a response message back when you
subscribe. if you do not receive a response within a reasonable amount
of time (my link is via UUCP and sometimes runs in spurts), send me a
message (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll look into it.

if the list turns out to be too popular and the MTA groks over the number
of addresses, I'll have to freeze the list recipients until I can come up
with a better MTA.

good luck...


Using a Windows 3.1 printer driver, I would like to "print to a file", with
output as a Postscript file.  Later, I would like to take this Postscript file
to a machine with an attached Hewlett Packard 4M laser printer, and print the
document at 600 dots per inch resolution.

I would like to use this method to print from WordPerfect For Windows, and from
an image processing program that can output images in Postscript.

Here's the problem:  the Windows Postscript printer driver (pscript.drv)
doesn't allow me to specify 600 dpi.  In fact, the setup dialog for this driver
does have a pull-down menu for "resolution", but the only choice given in the
menu is 300!  Not a really useful menu.

Any ideas?


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1.  Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR
     [23 April 1993] Rates of Cesarean Delivery ...........................  1
     Malaria Among U.S. Embassy Personnel .................................  5
     FDA Approval of Hib Vaccine for Children/Infants .....................  8

2.  Dental News
     Workshop Explores Oral Manifestations of HIV Infection ............... 11

3.  Food & Drug Administration News
     FDA Approves Depo Provera, injectable contraceptive .................. 14
     New Rules Speed Approval of Drugs for Life-Threatening Illnesses ..... 16

4.  Articles
     Research Promises Preventing/Slowing Blindness from Retinal Disease .. 18
     Affluent Diet Increases Risk Of Heart Disease ........................ 20

5.  General Announcments
     Publications for Health Professionals from National Cancer Institute . 23
     Publications for Patients Available from National Cancer Institute ... 30

6.  AIDS News Summaries
     AIDS Daily Summary for April 19 to April 23, 1993 .................... 38

7.  AIDS Statistics
     Worldwide AIDS Statistics ............................................ 48

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               Rates of Cesarean Delivery -- United States, 1991
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                   SOURCE: MMWR 42(15)   DATE: Apr 23, 1993

     Cesarean deliveries have accounted for nearly 1 million of the
approximately 4 million annual deliveries in the United States since 1986
(Table 1). The cesarean rate in the United States is the third highest among
21 reporting countries, exceeded only by Brazil and Puerto Rico (1). This
report presents data on cesarean deliveries from CDC's National Hospital
Discharge Survey (NHDS) for 1991 and compares these data with previous years.
     Data on discharges from short-stay, nonfederal hospitals have been
collected annually since 1965 in the NHDS, conducted by CDC's National Center
for Health Statistics. For 1991, medical and demographic information were
abstracted from a sample of 274,000 inpatients discharged from 484
participating hospitals. The 1991 cesareans and vaginal births after a prior
cesarean (VBAC) presented in this report are based on weighted national
estimates from the NHDS sample of approximately 31,000 (11%) women discharged
after delivery. The estimated numbers of live births by type of delivery were
calculated by applying cesarean rates from the NHDS to live births from
national vital registration data. Therefore, estimates of the number of
cesareans in this report will not agree with previously published data based
solely on the NHDS (2). Stated differences in this analysis are significant at
the 95% confidence level, based on the two-tailed t-test with a critical value
of 1.96.
     In 1991, there were 23.5 cesareans per 100 deliveries, the same rate as
in 1990 and similar to rates during 1986-1989 (Table 1). The primary cesarean
rate (i.e., number of first cesareans per 100 deliveries to women who had no
previous cesareans) for 1986-1991 also was stable, ranging from 16.8 to 17.5.
In 1991, the cesarean rate in the South was 27.6, significantly (p<0.05)
higher than the rates for the West (19.8), Midwest (21.8), and Northeast
(22.6). Rates were higher for mothers aged greater than or equal to 30 years
than for younger women; in proprietary hospitals than in nonprofit or
government hospitals; in hospitals with fewer than 300 beds than in larger
hospitals; and for deliveries for which Blue Cross/Blue Shield * and other
private insurance is the expected source of payment than for other sources of
payment (Table 2). The same pattern characterized primary cesarean deliveries.
     Since the early 1970s, the number and percentage of births to older women
increased; however, if the age distribution of mothers in 1991 had remained
the same as in 1986, the overall cesarean rate in 1991 would have been 23.3,
essentially the same as the 23.5 observed.
     Based on the NHDS, of the approximately 4,111,000 live births in 1991, an

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estimated 966,000 (23.5%) were by cesarean delivery. Of these, an estimated
338,000 (35.0%) births were repeat cesareans, and 628,000 (65.0%) were primary
cesareans. Since 1986, approximately 600,000 primary cesareans have been
performed annually. In 1986, 8.5% of women who had a previous cesarean
delivered vaginally, compared with 24.2% in 1991. Of all cesareans in 1991,
35.0% were associated with a previous cesarean, 30.4% with dystocia (i.e.,
failure of labor to progress), 11.7% with breech presentation, 9.2% with fetal
distress, and 13.7% with all other specified complications.
     The average hospital stay for all deliveries in 1991 was 2.8 days. In
comparison, the hospital stay for a primary cesarean delivery was 4.5 days,
and for a repeat cesarean, 4.2 days -- nearly twice the duration for VBAC
deliveries (2.2 days) or for vaginal deliveries that were not VBACs (2.3
days). In 1986, the average hospital stay for all deliveries was 3.2 days, for
primary cesareans 5.2 days, for repeat cesareans 4.7 days, and for VBAC and
non-VBAC vaginal deliveries 2.7 and 2.6 days, respectively.

Reported by: Office of Vital and Health Statistics Systems, National Center
for Health Statistics, CDC.

Editorial Note: The cesarean rate in the United States steadily increased from
1965 through 1986; however, the findings in this report indicate that rates
have been stable since 1986 (3). Because there is little evidence that
maternal and child health status has improved during this time and because
cesareans are associated with an increased risk for complications of
childbirth, a national health objective for the year 2000 (4) is to reduce the
overall cesarean rate to 15 or fewer per 100 deliveries and the primary
cesarean rate to 12 or fewer per 100 deliveries (objective 14.8).
     Postpartum complications -- including urinary tract and wound infections
-- may account in part for the longer hospital stays for cesarean deliveries
than for vaginal births (5). Moreover, the prolonged hospital stays for
cesarean deliveries substantially increase health-care costs. For example, in
1991, the average costs for cesarean and vaginal deliveries were $7826 and
$4720, respectively. The additional cost for each cesarean delivery includes
$611 for physician fees and $2495 for hospital charges (6). If the cesarean
rate in 1991 had been 15 (the year 2000 objective) instead of 23.5, the number
of cesarean births would have decreased by 349,000 (617,000 versus 966,000),
resulting in a savings of more than $1 billion in physician fees and hospital
charges.
     Despite the steady increase in VBAC rates since 1986, several factors may
impede progress toward the year 2000 national health objectives for cesarean
delivery. For example, VBAC rates substantially reflect the number of women
offered trial of labor, which has been increasingly encouraged since 1982 (7).
Of women who are offered a trial of labor, 50%-70% could deliver vaginally (7)
--a level already achieved by many hospitals (8). Trial of labor was routinely
offered in 46% of hospitals surveyed in 1984 (the most recent year for which

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national data are available) (9) when the VBAC rate (according to NHDS data)
was 5.7%. The year 2000 objective specifies a VBAC rate of 35%, based on all
women who had a prior cesarean, regardless of whether a trial of labor was
attempted. To reach the overall cesarean rate goal, however, increases in the
VBAC rate will need to be combined with a substantial reduction in the primary
rate.
     One hospital succeeded in reducing the rate of cesarean delivery by
applying objective criteria for the four most common indications for cesarean
delivery, by requiring a second opinion, and by instituting a peer-review
process (10). Other recommendations for decreasing cesarean delivery rates
include eliminating incentives for physicians and hospitals by equalizing
reimbursement for vaginal and cesarean deliveries; public dissemination of
physician- and hospital-specific cesarean delivery rates to increase public
awareness of differences in practices; and addressing malpractice concerns,
which may be an important factor in maintaining the high rates of cesarean
delivery (4).

References

1. Notzon FC. International differences in the use of obstetric interventions.
JAMA 1990; 263:3286-91.

2. Graves EJ, NCHS. 1991 Summary: National Hospital Discharge Survey.
Hyattsville, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public
Health Service, CDC, 1993. (Advance data no. 227).

3. Taffel SM, Placek PJ, Kosary CL. U.S. cesarean section rates, 1990: an
update. Birth 1992;19:21-2.

4. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and
disease prevention objectives -- full report, with commentary. Washington, DC:
US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS
publication no. (PHS)91-50212.

5. Danforth DN. Cesarean section. JAMA 1985;253:811-8.

6. Hospital Insurance Association of America. Table 4.15: cost of maternity
care, physicians' fees, and hospital charges, by census region, based on
Consumer Price Index (1991). In: 1992 Source book of health insurance data.
Washington, DC: Hospital Insurance Association of America, 1992.

7. Committee on Obstetrics. ACOG committee opinion no. 64: guidelines for
vaginal delivery after a previous cesarean birth. Washington, DC: American
College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 1988.

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8. Rosen MG, Dickinson JC. Vaginal birth after cesarean: a meta-analysis of
indicators for success. Obstet Gynecol 1990;76:865-9.

9. Shiono PH, Fielden JG, McNellis D, Rhoads GG, Pearse WH. Recent trends in
cesarean birth and trial of labor rates in the United States. JAMA
1987;257:494-7.

10. Myers SA, Gleicher N. A successful program to lower cesarean-section
rates. N Engl J Med 1988;319:1511-6.

* Use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and
does not imply endorsement by the Public Health Service or the U.S. Department
of Health and Human Services.

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         Malaria Among U.S. Embassy Personnel -- Kampala, Uganda, 1992
         =============================================================
                   SOURCE: MMWR 42(15)   DATE: Apr 23, 1993

     The treatment and prevention of malaria in Africa has become a
challenging and complex problem because of increasing drug resistance.
Although the risk of acquiring malaria for U.S. citizens and their dependents
stationed overseas generally has been low, this risk varies substantially and
unpredictably. During May 1992, the Office of Medical Services, Department of
State (OMS/DOS), and CDC were notified of an increased number of malaria cases
among official U.S. personnel stationed in Kampala, Uganda. A review of the
health records from the Embassy Health Unit (EHU) in Kampala indicated that 27
cases of malaria were diagnosed in official personnel from March through June
1992 compared with two cases during the same period in 1991. EHU, OMS/DOS, and
CDC conducted an investigation to confirm all reported malaria cases and
identify potential risk factors for malaria among U.S. Embassy personnel. This
report summarizes the results of the investigation.
     Malaria blood smears from 25 of the 27 reported case-patients were
available for review by OMS/DOS and CDC. A case of malaria was confirmed if
the slide was positive for Plasmodium sp. Of the 25 persons, 17 were slide-
confirmed as having malaria.
     A questionnaire was distributed to all persons served by the EHU to
obtain information about residence, activities, use of malaria
chemoprophylaxis, and use of personal protection measures (i.e., using bednets
and insect repellents, having window and door screens, and wearing long
sleeves and pants in the evening). Of the 157 persons eligible for the survey,
128 (82%) responded.
     Risk for malaria was not associated with sex or location of residence in
Kampala. Although the risk for malaria was higher among children aged less
than or equal to 15 years (6/32 19%) than among persons greater than 15
years (11/94 12%), this difference was not significant (relative risk
RR=1.6; 95% confidence interval CI=0.6-4.0). Eighty-two percent of the
cases occurred among persons who had been living in Kampala for 1-5 years,
compared with those living there less than 1 year. Travel outside of the
Kampala area to more rural settings was not associated with increased risk for
malaria.
     Four malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens were used by persons who
participated in the survey: mefloquine, chloroquine and proguanil, chloroquine
alone, and proguanil alone. In addition, 23 (18%) persons who responded were
not using any malaria chemoprophylaxis. The risk for malaria was significantly
lower among persons using either mefloquine or chloroquine and proguanil (8/88
9%) than among persons using the other regimens or no prophylaxis (9/37
24%) (RR=0.4; 95% CI=0.2-0.9). Twelve persons not using prophylaxis reported
side effects or fear of possible side effects as a reason.
     The risk for malaria was lower among persons who reported using bednets

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all or most of the time (2/27 7%) than among persons who sometimes or rarely
used bednets (15/99 15%) (RR=0.5; 95% CI=0.1-2.0). The risk for malaria was
also lower among persons who consistently used insect repellent in the evening
(0/16), compared with those who rarely used repellent (17/110 15%) (RR=0;
upper 95% confidence limit=1.2). Risk for malaria was not associated with
failure to have window or door screens or wear long sleeves or pants in the
evening.
     As a result of this investigation, EHU staff reviewed with all personnel
the need to use and comply with the recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis
regimens. EHU staff also emphasized the need to use personal protection
measures and made plans to obtain insecticide-impregnated bednets and to
provide window and door screens for all personnel.

Reported by: U.S. Embassy Health Unit, Kampala, Uganda; Office of Medical
Svcs, Dept of State, Washington, D.C. Malaria Br, Div of Parasitic Diseases,
National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC.

Editorial Note: In Uganda, the increase in malaria among U.S. personnel was
attributed to poor adherence to both recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis
regimens and use of personal protection measures during a period of increased
malaria transmission and intensified chloroquine resistance in sub-Saharan
Africa. The findings in this report underscore the need to provide initial and
continued counseling regarding malaria prevention for persons living abroad in
malaria-endemic areas -- preventive measures that are also important for
short-term travelers to such areas.
     Mefloquine is an effective prophylaxis regimen in Africa and in most
other areas with chloroquine-resistant P. falciparum; however, in some areas
(e.g., Thailand), resistance to mefloquine may limit its effectiveness. In
Africa, the efficacy of mefloquine, compared with chloroquine alone, in
preventing infection with P. falciparum is 92% (1 ). Mefloquine is safe and
well tolerated when given at 250 mg per week over a 2-year period. The risk
for serious adverse reactions possibly associated with mefloquine prophylaxis
(e.g., psychosis and convulsions) is low (i.e., 1.3-1.9 episodes per 100,000
users 2), while the risk for less severe adverse reactions (e.g., dizziness,
gastrointestinal complaints, and sleep disturbances) is similar to that for
other antimalarial chemoprophylactics (1).
     Doxycycline has similar prophylactic efficacy to mefloquine, but the need
for daily dosing may reduce compliance with and effectiveness of this regimen
(3,4). Chloroquine alone is not effective as prophylaxis in areas of intense
chloroquine resistance (e.g., Southeast Asia and Africa). In Africa, for
persons who cannot take mefloquine or doxycycline, chloroquine and proguanil
is an alternative, although less effective, regimen. Chloroquine should be
used for malaria prevention in areas only where chloroquine-resistant P.
falciparum has not been reported.
     Country-specific recommendations for preventing malaria and information

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on the dosage and precautions for malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens are
available from Health Information for International Travel, 1992 (i.e.,
"yellow book") (5) or 24 hours a day by telephone or fax, (404) 332-4555.

References

1. Lobel HO, Miani M, Eng T, et al. Long-term malaria prophylaxis with weekly
mefloquine in Peace Corps volunteers: an effective and well tolerated regimen.
Lancet 1993;341:848-51.

2. World Health Organization. Review of central nervous system adverse events
related to the antimalarial drug, mefloquine (1985-1990). Geneva: World Health
Organization, 1991; publication no. WHO/MAL/91.1063.

3. Pang L, Limsomwong N, Singharaj P. Prophylactic treatment of vivax and
falciparum malaria with low-dose doxycycline. J Infect Dis 1988;158:1124-7.

4. Pang L, Limsomwong N, Boudreau EF, Singharaj P. Doxycycline prophylaxis for
falciparum malaria. Lancet 1987;1:1161-4.

5. CDC. Health information for international travel, 1992. Atlanta: US
Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1992:98; DHHS
publication no. (CDC)92-8280.

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      FDA Approval of Use of a New Haemophilus b Conjugate Vaccine and a
       Combined Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Haemophilus b Conjugate
                       Vaccine for Infants and Children
      ==================================================================
                   SOURCE: MMWR 42(15)   DATE: Apr 23, 1993

     Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) conjugate vaccines have been
recommended for use in infants since 1990, and their routine use in infant
vaccination has contributed to the substantial decline in the incidence of Hib
disease in the United States (1-3). Vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus, and
pertussis during infancy and childhood have been administered routinely in the
United States since the late 1940s and has been associated with a greater than
90% reduction in morbidity and mortality associated with infection by these
organisms. Because of the increasing number of vaccines now routinely
recommended for infants, a high priority is the development of combined
vaccines that allow simultaneous administration with fewer separate
injections.
     The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently licensed two new products
for vaccinating children against these diseases: 1) the Haemophilus b
conjugate vaccine (tetanus toxoid conjugate, ActHIB Trademark), * for
vaccination against Hib disease only and 2) a combined diphtheria and tetanus
toxoids and whole-cell pertussis vaccine (DTP) and Hib conjugate vaccine
(TETRAMUNE Trademark), a combination of vaccines formulated for use in
vaccinating children against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and Hib disease.

                               ActHIB Trademark

     On March 30, 1993, the FDA approved a new Haemophilus b conjugate
vaccine, polyribosylribitol phosphate-tetanus toxoid conjugate (PRP-T),
manufactured by Pasteur Merieux Serum et Vaccins and distributed as ActHIB
Trademark by Connaught Laboratories, Inc. (Swiftwater, Pennsylvania). This
vaccine has been licensed for use in infants in a three-dose primary
vaccination series administered at ages 2, 4, and 6 months. Previously
unvaccinated infants 7-11 months of age should receive two doses 2 months
apart. Previously unvaccinated children 12-14 months of age should receive one
dose. A booster dose administered at 15 months of age is recommended for all
children. Previously unvaccinated children 15-59 months of age should receive
a single dose and do not require a booster. More than 90% of infants receiving
a primary vaccination series of ActHIB Trademark (consecutive doses at 2, 4,
and 6 months of age) develop a geometric mean titer of anti-Haemophilus b
polysaccharide antibody greater than 1 ug/mL (4). This response is similar to
that of infants who receive recommended series of previously licensed
Haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for which efficacy has been demonstrated in
prospective trials. Two U.S. efficacy trials of PRP-T were terminated early
because of the concomitant licensure of other Haemophilus b conjugate vaccines

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for use in infants (4). In these studies, no cases of invasive Hib disease
were detected in approximately 6000 infants vaccinated with PRP-T. These and
other studies suggest that the efficacy of PRP-T vaccine will be similar to
that of the other licensed Hib vaccines. TETRAMUNE Trademark
     On March 30, 1993, the FDA approved a combined diphtheria and tetanus
toxoids and whole-cell pertussis vaccine (DTP) and Haemophilus b conjugate
vaccine. TETRAMUNE Trademark, available from Lederle-Praxis Biologicals (Pearl
River, New York), combines two previously licensed products, DTP (TRIIMMUNOL
Registered, manufactured by Lederle Laboratories Pearl River, New York) and
Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine (HibTITER Registered, manufactured by Praxis
Biologics, Inc. Rochester, New York).
     This vaccine has been licensed for use in children aged 2 months-5 years
for protection against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and Hib disease when
indications for vaccination with DTP vaccine and Haemophilus b conjugate
vaccine coincide. Based on demonstration of co mparable or higher antibody
responses to each of the components of the two vaccines, TETRAMUNE Trademark
is expected to provide protection against Hib, as well as diphtheria, tetanus,
and pertussis, equivalent to that of already licensed formulations of other
DTP and Haemophilus b vaccines.
     The Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommends that
all infants receive a primary series of one of the licensed Haemophilus b
conjugate vaccines beginning at 2 months of age and a booster dose at age 12-
15 months (5). The ACIP also recommends that all infants receive a four-dose
primary series of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine at 2,
4, 6, and 15-18 months of age, and a booster dose at 4-6 years (6-8). A
complete statement regarding recommendations for use of ActHIB Trademark and
TETRAMUNE Trademark is being developed.

Reported by: Office of Vaccines Research and Review, Center for Biologics
Evaluation and Research, Food and Drug Administration. Div of Immunization,
National Center for Prevention Svcs; Meningitis and Special Pathogens Br, Div
of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases,
CDC.

References

1. Adams WG, Deaver KA, Cochi SL, et al. Decline of childhood Haemophilus
influenzae type b (Hib) disease in the Hib vaccine era. JAMA 1993;269:221-6.

2. Broadhurst LE, Erickson RL, Kelley PW. Decrease in invasive Haemophilus
influenzae disease in U.S. Army children, 1984 through 1991. JAMA
1993;269:227-31.

3. Murphy TV, White KE, Pastor P, et al. Declining incidence of Haemophilus
influenzae type b disease since introduction of vaccination. JAMA

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1993;269:246-8.

4. Fritzell B, Plotkin S. Efficacy and safety of a Haemophilus influenzae type
b capsular polysaccharide-tetanus protein conjugate vaccine. J Pediatr
1992;121:355-62.

5. ACIP. Haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for prevention of Haemophilus
influenzae type b disease among infants and children two months of age and
older: recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee
(ACIP). MMWR 1991;40(no. RR-1).

6. ACIP. Diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis -- recommendations for vaccine use
and other preventive measures: recommendations of the Immunization Practices
Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR 1991;40(no. RR-10).

7. ACIP. Pertussis vaccination: acellular pertussis vaccine for reinforcing
and booster use -- supplementary ACIP statement: recommendations of the
Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR 1992;41(no. RR-1).

8. ACIP. Pertussis vaccination: acellular pertussis vaccine for the fourth and
fifth doses of the DTP series -- update to supplementary ACIP statement:
recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR
1992;41(no. RR-15).

* Use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and
does not imply endorsement by the Public Health Service or the U.S. Department
of Health and Human Services.

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                                  Dental News
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            International Workshop Explores Oral Manifestations of
                                 HIV Infection

                             NIDR Research Digest
                             written by Jody Dove
                                  March 1993
                     National Institute of Dental Research

     At the Second International Workshop on the Oral Manifestations of HIV
Infection, held January 31-February 3 in San Francisco, participants explored
issues related to the epidemiology, basic molecular virology, mucosal
immunology, and oral clinical presentations of HIV infection.
     The workshop was organized by Dr. John Greenspan and Dr. Deborah
Greenspan of the Department of Stomatology, School of Dentistry, University of
California, San Francisco.  An international steering committee and scientific
program committee provided guidance.
     The conference drew more than 260 scientists from 39 countries, including
Asia, Africa, Europe, Central America, South America, as well as the United
States and Canada.  Support tor the workshop was provided by the National
Institute of Dental Research, the National Cancer Institute, the National
Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the NIH Office of AIDS Research,
and the Procter and Gamble Company.
     Among the topics discussed were: the epidemiology of HIV lesions; ethics,
professional responsibility, and public policy; occupational issues; provision
of oral care to the HIV-positive population; salivary HIV transmission and
mucosal immunity; opportunistic infections; pediatric HIV infection; and
women's issues.

                                Recommendations

     Recommendations emerged from the workshop to define the association
between the appearance of oral lesions and rate of progression of HIV, to
establish a universal terminology for HIV-associated oral lesions, to look for
more effective treatments for oral manifestations, to expand molecular biology
studies to understand the relationship between HIV infection and common oral
lesions, and to study the effects of HIV therapy on oral lesions.

                                 Epidemiology

     Since the First International Workshop on Oral Manifestations of HIV
Infection was convened five years ago, the epidemiology of HIV infection has

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radically changed.  In 1988, HIV infection was detected and reported largely
in homosexual and bisexual males, intravenous drug users, and hemophiliacs.
Today, more HIV infection is seen in heterosexual males and females and in
children and adolescents.
     While the predominant impact of HIV infection has been felt in Africa, a
major increase in infection rate is being seen in Southeast Asia as well.
Five hundred thousand cases have been reported to date in this region and more
are appearing all the time.
     Researchers are continuing to document the epidemiology of oral lesions
such as hairy leukoplakia and candidiasis.  They also are beginning to explore
the relationships between specific oral lesions and HIV disease progression
and prognosis.

                            Social/political Issues

     Discussion on the social and political implications of HIV infection
focused on changing the public's attitude that AIDS is retribution for
indiscriminate sexual behavior and drug use.  Speakers also addressed health
care delivery for HIV-infected patients, and the need to educate the public
about what AIDS is, and how it is acquired.

                          Saliva and Salivary Glands

     Conference speakers described transmission issues and the HIV-inhibitory
activity of saliva, the strength of which varies among the different salivary
secretions.  Whole saliva has a greater inhibitory effect than submandibular
secretions, which in turn have a greater inhibitory effect than parotid
secretions.  Research has shown that at least two mechanisms are responsible
for salivary inhibitory activity.  They attributed the HIV-inhibitory effect
of saliva to the 1) aggregation/agglutination of HIV by saliva, which may both
promote clearance of virus and prevent it reaching a target cell, and 2)
direct effects on the virus or target cells.
     Other topics discussed were the manifestation of salivary gland disease
in HIV-infected persons and current research on oral mucosal immunity.

                               Pediatric Issues

     Pediatric AIDS recently has emerged as an area of intense interest.  With
early and accurate diagnosis and proper treatment, the life expectancy of HIV-
infected children has tripled.  The prevention of transmission of HIV from
mother to child may be possible in many cases, particularly if the mother's
sero-status is known prior to giving birth.

                    Periodontal and Gingival Tissue Disease

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     Oral health researchers continue to explore periodontal diseases and
gingivitis found in individuals with HIV infection.  Recommendations made at
the workshop include the standardization of terminology, refinement of
diagnostic markers, standardization of study design, and proper consideration
of confounding variables resulting from periodontal therapy.

                       Occupational and Treatment Issues

     Occupational issues surrounding the treatment of HIV-infected individuals
and treatment rendered by HIV-infected health care professionals still command
considerable attention.  Factors under consideration include the cost/benefit
of HIV testing, patient-to-health care provider transmission of HIV infection
and the reverse, and the use of mainstream versus dedicated facilities for the
treatment of HIV-infected patients.
     Conference participants anticipate that a third International Workshop on
the Oral Manifestations of HIV Infection will be held in five years or less.
Proceedings from the second workshop will be published by the Quintessence
Company in late 1993.

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[byteocide]

You take two copies with a different registration id, compare them byte for
byte and you know where they are located. Usually you will be able to
find out what is what after that.

And what keeps me form registering as John Doe from the company Public
Domain, Yellow Brick Road 1, Tinseltown or something???

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Guido Klemans

Internet: rcstage1@urc.tue.nl                  valid until 16 may 1993

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'Listen very carefully, I will say this only ones.'  Michelle of the resitance


Yup, that was quite contemptuous of the President to make a decision that
12% disagree with...


1989 Honda CRX DX, White w/Blue int.
	    Original owner,  59,500 miles, mostly highway.
	    Recent tune-up, new battery
	    Oil changed every 3000 miles
	    Kenwood high power cassette receiver, w/ 4 spkrs
	    $6800 or best reasonable offer


I just donwloaded a *.bin file from a unix machine which is
supposed to be converted to a MAC format. Does anyone know
what I need to do to this file to get it into any Dos, Mac
or Unix readable format. Someone mentioned fetch on the unix
machine - is this correct? Could someone explain the .bin
format a little?

Thanks,

Elizabeth
--


So, Mr. Salah is still claiming Stalin was a Jew?

This thread began on SCA, when he and another guy claimed both Stalin
and Lenin were Jews. When I posted evidence from books and the Britannica
showing they were Christians, someone made the (correct) remark that
Lenin's maternal grandfather was a Jew who converted to Christianity.

To counter the fact that Stalin was a Christian who, during his youth,
was trained to be a priest, Mr. Salah wrote "yes, it says he was trained
to be a priest, but not for what religion!" (BTW, Stalin developed
strong antisemitic feelings later in his life).

Mr. Salah seems intent on trying to spread hate against Jews by posting
antisemitic forgeries and trying to "prove" that certain notorious
people were Jews, even if they were not.


DJ was a popular player in San Diego, Derek Bell was not faring well in the
clubhouse at Toronto, so no matter how bad he looks now I still think it
was a steal for the Jays just from the perspective of team chemistry.
No statistic can describe it (sorry statheads) and since there are so many
new faces in the clubhouse I think the Jays are still trying to find it.

(Insert the same comment into the Jack Morris v. Clemens WS Ring string)

Yet at first I was sad to see Derek go, still anticipating all of the talent
they raved about at the beginning of last season.  I'm glad to see him
faring well for the Padres though.


        Yes, it is possible.  I'm making a 7 stepper controller board,
with 7 digital inputs, and (up to) 18 digital outputs from the // port.
   One main thing that will tell you whether the // port is
bi-directional or not is the bus tranceiver on it.  Look for a chip
numbered 74LS245.  If you don't have this, then it's probably a 74LS244,
which will do you NO good for reading in.

          Now, if you do have the '245 then do the following:
  First, find the address of the port, (decimal) either 888, or 632.
  In pascal, you would "Write(Port[xxx]);" where xxx is the address in
either hex or decimal.  The status lines, pins 14, 16, 17, as well as the
strobe, pin 1, are bi-directional lines, and are read by base address +2,
so for 888, to read from status, then read from 890.  You can also output
to these lines in the same fashion as to the data lines.  In pascal,
do "Port[xxx]:=value
".

                Hope this helps.
        Let me know if you need more help.

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-= PASTORTALK =-

  A weekly dialogue with a local pastor on the news of the day

                      by Carl (Gene) Wilkes

                       Startext: MC344578
                     CompuServe: 70423,600
                       Internet: 70423.600@compuserve.com

                   -= THIS WEEK'S THOUGHTS =-

Last week the Supreme Court refused without comment to hear an
appeal by Rensselaer, IN, school officials desiring the
distribution of Bibles in their public schools (REL65, 5/21). A
lower court had banned the local Gideons, an international Bible-
distribution group, from passing out Bibles to fifth-graders. The
ACLU's Barry Lynn was quoted as saying that the court's action
protected the "religious neutrality of our public schools." He also
said that schools must serve students of "all faiths and none."
Schools were not to be a "bazaar where rival religious groups
compete for converts," according to Lynn.

Several Gideons, men who are responsible for putting Bibles in
hospitals and hotels, are members of our church. They tell of
similar stories where they are only allowed to distribute Bibles on
sidewalks around the schools, but cannot go inside the schools.
They tell of mild harassment by parents who do not want their
children receiving a Bible from a stranger. They are willing to
continue their work at a distance, but find the school's position
somewhat disheartening.

I understand rationally and logically the court's position. And, I
can see the sense of fairness for all groups. But, on the other
hand, when does "neutrality" become "nihilism?" When does plurality
turn into no position at all?

I see a couple of ironies here. One is that we can pass out condoms
but not Bibles in our schools. Think on that one for a moment.

The other is that while we are seeking "religious neutrality" in
our schools, countries like Russia--who, by the way, practiced
"religious neutrality" for the past seventy years--are making the
Bible part of their public school curriculum. When I was in St.
Petersburg in March, the church we worked with had trained over 100
public school teachers to teach the Bible, and the government had
requested hundreds more! I recently heard a medical doctor who is
president of the Gideon chapter in Moscow tell how they are eagerly
invited to the University of Moscow to distribute Bibles to the
students and are given class time to explain its contents. I
remember seeing a photograph of this doctor holding a Bible and
speaking to the university students standing under a statue of
Lenin. Now, that's ironic!

I admit two things: 1) We are a pluralistic society, and all faiths
have equal footing. This is what our country was founded on. 2) To
allow every group on school grounds could create a bazaar-like
atmosphere. Each city must work to be inclusive of all religions
and provide a hearing for them. 3)--I know I said two--The vitality
of religious faith is not dependent upon whether or not the public
arena acknowledges it as valid.

However--and you knew this was coming--I believe, disallowing the
distribution of the Bible by law-abiding, caring adults in our
schools only signals once again our culture's movement away from a
singular base from which we as individuals and as a nation can make
moral and ethical decisions.

What do you think?

                         -= MAIL BOX =-
(Let me know if you do not want me to print your letter or your
name.)

Good column [re: TIME coverstory about teen sexuality]; I agree
with moral education from home, but some homes don't have the kinds
of morals I want taught.  One family I worked with smoked dope as
their primary family activity.  Another acted like incest was OK.
Families, no matter where they are, are often a lot sicker than
we'd like to believe.

From: John Hightower, MC 407602

John,

I agree that the "home" ain't what it used to be, and some homes
are NOT the place to learn value-based sexuality. I still believe
that this is where the church can come into play. I know, those
families you speak of may not come to a church to seek information,
but the help does not need to be in a church building...I believe
that the youth from the families you mentioned will probably
disregard the value-free information at school, too.


Wait a minute.  The story being pushed here is that the fire started
in ONE PLACE.  This is not consistent with the story that they were
TRAPPED by the fire (particularly in a building that all of a sudden
had many more exits).

Choose one, please.

Well, for everyone besides Koresh and his blood children, we can
assume independent choice: Ah, they chose to stay in the face of
an assault which clearly endangered their lives.  Or, alternatively,
they were not permitted to leave.  Choose one.


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Let me remind all of those Muslim-haters out there who like to
mention the Mufti's cooperation with Germany as a reason to let Muslims
be slaughtered everywhere in the world of the following facts:

1)Why blame the Muslims for what the Nazis did and FORGIVE ITALY, THE CROATS,
AND MANY OTHER EUROPEANS FOR BEING REAL ALLIES TO HITLER?

2)Why blame Muslims for supporting Germany the enemy of their enemy
at the time (Britain who colonized most of the middle east and was responsible
for most atrocities against Muslims in the region) and FORGIVE GERMANY ITSELF
EVENTHOUGH IT IS THE ONE WHO CREATED NAZISM?

3)As far as Muslims are concerned : THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
NAZI GERMANY, AND ANTIMUSLIM COLONIALIST BRITAIN/FRANCE IN 1940. They were
all racist, anti-arab, and full of arrogance and hate. WWII and the wars
in ALgeria, Sudan, and other places proved that very clearly. Even anti-
semitism was not more spread in Germany than in France or Britain, it just
happened to be official policy in Germany.

And we will forgive you, just set our countries free.


If by chance you answered my request for NEO Asteroids in the last two days
please send them to me directly. I by mistake deleted instead of read
all the space-request messages .

Thanks and sorry.

Harry G. Osoff
Science & Technology Editor
Access News Network


I just removed an IDE drive and reformated two SCSI disk to use as boot disk
in a system that did run Windows fine in 386 Enhanced Mode. Its a DX50 with 8
meg RAM, and an Adaptec 1542b with bios enabled. System runs fine and runs
Windows in standard mode fine, but it returns to the DOS prompt when trying
to run 386 mode. I've tried EMMExclude and SysROMBreakPoint. What gives??????

Thanks in advance, Hal


 ...

BadWindow is an X protocol error.  If you write a custom error handler
which does not do "exit(1);" the error handler will return and let
your program carry on.  So, using a XSetErrorHandler is the way to
go, but never mind the longjmp.


caching
drive
for?


Prove it.  I am an atheist.  It doesn't mean I am for or against abortion.

An obvious effect of homosexuality is non-procreation.  That, unlike your
statement, is a fact.  Please prove that (a) homosexuality is defended as
means of population control, (b) being atheist causes you to hold these
beliefs.  I defend homosexuality because (a) what people do with their
bodies is none of my business (b) I defend the equal rights of
all humans.  Do you?

Define values. Prove your statement.

Prove your statement.  Electrons are waves.  Electrons are particles.  I
believe in both.  I have physical proof of both.  I have no proof of god(tm)
only an ancient book.  That is not indicative of the existence of a being
with omnipotence or omnipresence.  And, by your own argument, christians
don't exist.

First of all, your earlier statements have absolutely nothing to do
with your question.  Why did you post them?  To show that athiests,
besides not existing (your view), are more humane than christians/other
religions?

Secondly I am very much for the control of population growth.

The logic that you cannot grasp indicates ignorance of contraception.
But of course, this is 'outlawed' (sometimes literally) by religion
since if it can't create more followers, it will die.

I


Can anyone out there tell me the difference between a "persistent" disease
and a "chronic" one? For example, persistent hepatitis vs chronic
hepatitis.


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Could someone please tell me the Best FTP'able viewer available for MSDOS
I am running a 486 33mhz with SVGA monitor.
I need to look at gifs mainly and it would be advantageous if it ran
under windows...........thanks


: In light of recent events, it may soon become a very good idea
: to include the ability to produce transparent, or at least non-obvious,
: cyphertext in upcoming revisions.

This won't help if the NSA/FBA axis requires all messages to
undergo textual analysis and reduction to canonical form to
eliminate concealed messages.

After reading several National Computer Security Center
documents, I'm convinced that they are already using this
filter.  DoubleplusgoodNOT.


For sale: Toshiba 3300SL notebook computer.

Specs:

	80386SL (64K cache) @ 25MHz, * 8MB * RAM, 80 meg 16ms IDE hard drive,
	1.44meg floppy, 5.9 lbs w/ Nickle Hydride battery installed, edgelit
	greyscale VGA display, PS/2 mouse port, external keyboard
        port, 1 PCMCIA port, external expansion port, external VGA port, 1
	serial, 1 parallel ports, socket for 80387SL numeric coprocessor
	(user-installable).   Memory is expandable to 18meg.

	Voted Editor's Choice by PC Magazine.   An expansion station is
	available from Toshiba; Axionics also makes one that is more
	economical.

Power conservation options:

	User definable hard drive powerdown period, screen dimming,
        auto stepdown of CPU speed (to 12.5, 6 MHz) after definable interval,
	etc.

Comments:

        Purchased locally at Micro Center in Columbus, OH 7 months ago.  All
	original packaging, receipts, and manuals are included.   Under
        warranty.   The keyboard on this machine is the best I've seen; I
	prefer it to the keyboard on most desktop units. I typically
        get 3-4 hours of battery life.  The battery recharges in 2 hours to
        full charge.   The machine is quite speedy; I run OS/2 2.1beta
	on it currently and will leave this operating system installed unless
	you prefer MS-DOS 5.0 (included).

        I'll include a padded carrying case, also made by Toshiba.

Price/terms:

	$1900 (semi-firm), certified check.    If outside of Columbus, I will
	pay for COD shipping.

Please respond with all queries to 'grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu' or
call 614-261-0902.