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Bill, you seem to have erroneously assumed that this board has as its
sole purpose the validation of atheism.  It doesn't.  This board is
used to discuss atheism as a philosophy, to share posters' experiences
regarding atheism, to debunk various theisms and theism as a whole, to
share resources relating to atheism, and even to socialize with others
with similar views.  And of course with the number of theists who come
here to preach, it is also used to argue the case for atheism.

If you want to accuse people of lying, please do so directly.  The
phrase "deliberately mistaken" is rather oxymoronic.

The two forms of theism most often discussed here these days are
Christianity and Islam.  Both of these claim to make their followers
into good people, and claim that much of benefit to humanity has been
accomplished through their faiths.  IMHO they are right.  The American
Friends Service Committee (Quaker), Catholic Relief Services, Bread
For The World, Salvation Army soup kitchens, and Mother Theresa spring
to mind.  (Can someone with more knowledge of Islam supply the names
of some analagous Islamic groups?)

When Mother Theresa claims that her work is an outgrowth of her
Christianity, I believe her.  Her form of theism ascribes to her deity
such a benevolence toward humanity that it would be wrong not to care
for those in need.  The point is that such a philosophy does have the
power to change the behavior of individuals;  if it is widespread
enough, it can change societies.

The same works for the horrors of history.  To claim that Christianity
had little to do with the Crusades or the Inquisition is to deny the
awesome power that comes from faith in an absolute.  What it seems you
are doing twisting the reasonable statement that religion was never
the solitary cause of any evil into the unreasonable statement that
religion has had no evil impacts on history.  That is absurd.


If we can't avoid throwing out gut-reactions to what we see as "extremist"
views here in the newsgroup, we're certainly not going to be any better at
it in the real world. Hey, it easy here. After reading the offending post,
we can step back, take some deep breathing exercises, have a gallon of
ice cream (or sex, whichever calmsus), and reply in something other
than the usual king-of-the-hill mentality.

Perhaps, starting here with an immediate "accusation" is not a particularly
good way to generate open responses? How about explaining what you see as
being Israel's *real worries* and how they *need* to be addressed? Since
the "other side" sees Israel's "gestures" in a completely different light
than you do, perhaps "they" also have *real worries*. From their point
of view, what are they? How can those worries be addressed?

It is certainly much harder to "reach compromise" (or, even sit down
and talk with...) an other side which is fractured into several
different ideologies, each with its own set of "demands". While it is
up to "them" to generate unity on their side, is there anything that
Israel can do (without sacrificing its security, its position) to
encourage that unification along lines that Israel prefers?


Stephen A. Creps writes to All:

[...]

 SAC> Also, we know that
 SAC> the Bible says that _everyone_ must be baptized to enter Heaven.

Where exactly does it say that?

 SAC> _Everyone_ includes infants, unless there is other Scripture to the
 SAC> contrary, i.e. an exception.  Since there is no exception listed in the
 SAC> Bible, we must assume (to be on the safe side) that the Bible means what
 SAC> it says, that _everyone_ must be baptized to enter Heaven.

I think we do see an exception in the case of Cornelius and his
household, mentioned in Acts. Of course, they were baptised, but only
after "God showed that He accepted them by giving them the Holy
Spirit". This means they were already acceptable to God before their
baptism, and had they suddenly died they would have gone to heaven.

In case that seems far-fetched - an ancestor of mine was a missionary
who worked among the Hereros in Namibia. Some of the tribesmen were
jealous of Christianity, and they poisoned the first convert before he
could be baptised. Surely he still went to heaven? I'm inclined to
agree with a comment recorded at the time: "It is not the neglect of
baptism, but its contempt, that condemns."

Mike


Some women might say, "Death".  How about "life, with no hope of parole"?


	Greg, no flame intended, but you have no discernible sense of
humor.  What Bill wrote was intended to be funny.  It's called a
"joke", Greg.  Look into it.
	Besides, Kirilian photography is actually photography of my
friend's two-year-old son Kiril.  Perhaps you meant "Kirlian"?


Funny, Brent, but so far we have heard two versions of the "facts:"

1) What the government says.  This includes what the government says that
   two survivors have said.

2) What Koresh's lawyer (who was actually inside the compound) says,
   including what he says that most of the survivors have said.

Strange, but they seem to disagree in most important particulars.

If anyone has actually seen news reports of any of the survivors
speaking first-hand, feel free ot pitch in.  I may have missed it.
But my money is that their story will sound a hell of a lot like
case 2, and not at all like case 1.
--


Talk to Philip Greenspun. He took Ford to court recently and, despite much
manouvering and trickery on Ford's part, he won! Well, actually I think
Ford settled out of court on the provision he shut his mouth and stopped
causing them trouble. I love it when the little guy wins. I don't have
Philip's address anymore, but a "Philip, where are you" call may bring him
out of hiding.

Cheers,
Paul.


: |>You might visit some congregations of Christians, who happen to be homosexuals,
: |>that are spirit-filled believers, not MCC'rs; before you go lumping us all
: |>together with Troy Perry.
: |>

: Gee, I think there are some real criminals (robbers, muderers, drug
: addicts) who appear to be fun loving caring people too.  So what's
: your point?  Is it OK. just because the people are nice?

The point is not about being "nice."  "Nice" is not a christian virtue.  The
point is that the gifts and fruits of the spirit (by their fruits you shall
know them- Mt 7:20) are manifested by and among prayerful, spirit-filled
GAY christians.  It was the manifestation of the spirit among the gentiles
that convinced Peter (Acts 10) that his prejudice against them (based on
scripture, I might add) was not in accordance with God's intentions.

: I think the old saying " hate the sin and not the sinner" is
: appropriate here.  Many who belive homosexuality is wrong probably
: don't hate the people.  I don't.  I don't hate my kids when they do
: wrong either.  But I tell them what is right, and if they lie or don't
: admit they are wrong, or just don't make an effort to improve or
: repent, they get punished.  I think this is quite appropriate.  You
: may want to be careful about how you think satan is working here.
: Maybe he is trying to destroy our sense of right and wrong through
: feel goodism.  Maybe he is trying to convince you that you know more
: than God.  Kind of like the Adam and Eve story.  Read it and compare
: it to today's mentality.  You may be suprised.

Of course the whole issue is one of discernment.  It may be that Satan
is trying to convince us that we know more than God.  Or it may be that
God is trying (as God did with Peter) to teach us something we don't
know- that "God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears
him and does what is right is acceptable to him." (Acts 10:34-35).


I leave the anti-semitism to anti-gun types like Holly Silva.  I have in
fact been calling for the disbanding of the BATF for quite some time.
It is an outlaw agency run by incompetants who only have contempt for
the laws which they supposedly enforce.

I attribute the acts of the FBI to stupidity.  I attribute the acts of
the BATF to malice.  So did Senator Dennis DeConcini when he held
hearings about their misconduct.


Yes, the IIci has 32-bit clean ROMs.


Hi all,

I think the subject says it all - does anyone know how to take the rgb/h/vsync from a standard vga connector and record them on video tape??

Any help is appreciated!

Mark J Cargill


[re. Conner's questioning of the blissful afterlife as a reason why many
joined the early Xian church]

Do you mean Hyam Maccoby's _The Mythmaker_?


University of Toronto
              Instructional and Research Computing

             is sponsoring a technical presentation
                    on Visualization Software

             _A_d_v_a_n_c_e_d _V_i_s_u_a_l _S_y_s_t_e_m_s (_A_V_S) _S_o_f_t_w_a_r_e

                        2:10 PM - 4:00 PM
                      Thursday, May 6, 1993
                    Sandford Fleming Building
                            Room 1105

"Advanced Visual Systems will present this technical seminar on
AVS, the world's leading visualization software package.  AVS is
a point and click, module driven, easy-to-use product that
produces full color, two or three dimensional rendered scenes for
interactive observation.  It is supported on all current Unix
RISC platforms from Sun, SGI, IBM, H-P, DG, and DEC.  It also
runs under DEC VMS.

"AVS is in its fourth year on the street and is very mature.  All
fields of science, engineering, medicine, and even business
applications now use AVS.  This seminar will focus on its many
features in technical detail during a half hour slide
presentation.  Following a question period there will be a live
demonstration using a Sun SPARCstation.  In addition, a new AVS
program called CAMPUS will be introduced at this meeting.

"Also discussed will be the International AVS Center, which
provides an on-line repository of over 1000 graphics modules at
the North Carolina Supercomputer Center in Raliegh, NC.  AVS has
imbedded tools to write one's own customized modules should these
not be available with AVS or from AVS International."

                            _S_p_e_a_k_e_r_s

     The scheduled speaker for this presentation is Mr. Paul
Ecklund of Ecklund Associates, the distributor of AVS in
Canada.


pmy> ...Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ
pmy> would have with weapons.

fc> Didn't Christ tell his disciples to arm them selves, shortly
fc> before his crusifiction? (I believe the exact quote was along the
fc> lines of, "If you have [something] sell it and buy a sword.")

  "If you have a purse" it was.

fc> Certainly, Christ said,

fc> "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
fc> send peace but the sword.  For I am come to set a man at variance
fc> against his father, and the daugher against her mother..."

fc> [Matthew 10 34-35]

  Yes, He said this, but the sword that Jesus brought was the sword of
the Word of God, which divides between those that believe, and those
who do not, even right down a family.

Mark
--
Mark TOWFIQ | Business/Urgent: towfiq@Microdyne.COM  +1 508 392 9953 (fax 9962)
	      Other:   towfiq@Justice.Medford.MA.US  +1 617 488 2818


First you find a congenial member of the opposite sex ...
--
Thomas Clarke
Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu


    What paper is that? It's been on the price list here at Dartmouth
since they released it and it has never been called the "DuoDock Plus."


Don't worry about this -- they'll drop you like a hot potato after you do
  make a claim. They'll just make filing the claim a pain, but it will end
  when they leave you in the lurch.

More than that. GEICO funded the company that developed LIDAR. When locals
  showed a reluctance to BUY the units, GEICO started giving them away. I
  know they've given units to the Florida Highway Patrol, County Sheriff's a
  and some local governments.
The real question is why? This is the hook. GEICO, and other Ins. Co.s can
  tell which drivers represent risk. This is a determination they can make
  AFTER YOU receive a speeding ticket from one of GEICO's LIDAR units. Most
  drivers do not represent increased risk even after a ticket or two, but
  this gives them the opportunity to RAISE RATES FOR EQUAL RISK. It's called
  extra profits. They also know how silly the NSL is, and how it is almost
  universally ignored. Driving in excess of the NSL gets you a ticket, an
  increase in your rates, points on your license --- but it doesn't make you
  a riskier driver to insure.
Like the sound of this? Like the people who thought up the scheme? Go GEICO!


                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Most fellow Diamond video board owners with whom I've corresponded may
or may not share your opinion about the proprietary clocking scheme, but
all of those with whom I've chatted have NOT been thrilled with the
Window's drivers, either.  Some modes work fine, but others cause
strange misdrawn objects, trails, etc.  Many have also voiced their
strong discontent to Diamond's ambivalent attitude toward OS/2 drivers.

Come to think of it, though, I hear and see a lot of complaints about
the ATI boards too, though recent word looks like the build 59 code looks
much better.

Does ANYONE have an accelerated video board with drivers for Windows
(OS/2?) where ALL the modes function properly?  Anyone?  Anyone?

Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
               Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.


The point about its being real or not is that one does not waste time with
what reality might be when one wants predictions. The questions if the
atoms are there or if something else is there making measurements indicate
atoms is not necessary in such a system.

And one does not have to write a new theory of existence everytime new
models are used in Physics.


this is a bad idea. my machine is on 24 hours a day, but it's actually
_doing_ things 24 hours a day. i use it as an all purpose alarm clock,
scheduler, i've got routines that run in the middle of the night, phone
calls it makes during the day when i'm out. if your machine is _on_ 24 hours
a day, then you can count on it to be _working_ 24 hours a day. i could call
it from work and download a file that i might need, i could call it from
work and have it turn the lights on if i'm going to be late (oops, more
wasted electricity -- but conversely, i could have it turn the lights
_off_). heck, i suppose i could even connect the microwave and have dinner
ready when i get there.


JUst use xloadimage instead (or xli).


Corel Draw 4 will be able to do this as it will include the Photopaint stuff that
the PC version got with version 3. Don't hold your breath though.

--
Chris Lilley
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Manchester, UK.  M13 9PL                        Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk
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I am applying for an NSF grant to buy equipment for a laboratory...

The lab will need to support C (or Pascal) with graphics tools...

We can run the lab either on PC's or  DEC equipment ---

If you are familiar with appropriate products (software/hardware) and precise
prices. Please contact

shai@lcc.stonehill.edu

We are interested in any available acadmic discounts....

Also, if anyone runs a lab using similar software/hardware, I would be very
interested in hearing your opinions of its success

Thanks


I just ordered my subscription today.  Call MacWeek's Customer Service
Dept. at (609) 461-2100 and quote some plastic.  If you forget the number,
it's included in the statement of ownership, which is on the contents
page of the copy I have.  A one year subscription costs $99.00 in the U.S,
Canada, or Mexico.  I was told my first issue would arrive in 4-6 weeks.


if you want to annoy geico, call them up...give fake name...but real car
specs..get a quote and then tell them they are more expensive than your
current state farm/allstate insurance.  they will still send you quote etc.
then you can tear up their quote and stuff it in the prepaid return
envelope and mail it back to them.  actually they were $12 more than my current
state farm rates.


Is there a way to connect a PowerBook 145, Mac IIsi, and Personal LaserWriter
LS so that I can (not necessarily silmultaneoulsy) print from either the IIsi,
or PB, and file share between the IIsi and PB?
I know I can get the ($expensive$) LW NT upgrade for my LS, but I can't afford
that...


: >Hello DoD'ers et al.,

: >I need some advice on inner tubes in tubeless tyres.
: >       Barry Manor DoD# 620

: Spend the bucks and get a new tire.

:  ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

I second the commend from Dr. Speed, get a new tire.  It's like your
brakes, something you don't want to take chances with.  I waited too long
to take care of my front tire once and it went flat on me, doing 70 MPH
going down the grapevine towards Bakersfield.  At that instance, I would
of given any amount of money for a new tire.  I'm lucky to be here.


When I needed heated grips I made them from pieces of an old bicycle
inner tube and a cheap electric heating pad from the drugstore, on top
of foam grips: soft *and* warm.  Cheaper by about a factor of 5, too.


Jason Lee asks:

You must have heard wrong.  His arm is still sore.  He hasn't gone on the DL,
but he may.  Managmenet is treating him as a day-to-day situation.

His doctors thought that he was ready, and they had him throw in
Colorado, but his arm wasn't up to the strain.  He is throwing every day,
but he's just not quite ready to pitch full strength yet.

(This is based on an interview that he gave on WFAN NY radio on Thursday,
4/23)


Corel Draw will do it; version 2 onwards. If you have version 1 perhaps an
upgrade is in order.

Another alternative would be to use a different bureau that can take PostScript.

--
Chris Lilley
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Manchester, UK.  M13 9PL                        Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk
Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045  Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc


Wow! You got me thinking now!

This is an interesting question in that recently there has been a
move in society to classify previously "socially unacceptable" yet legal
activities as OK.  In the past it seems to me there were always two
coexisting methods of social control.

First (and most explicit) is legal control.  That is the set of
actions we define as currently illegal and having a specifically defined set
of punishments.

Secondly (and somewhat more hidden) is social control.  These are
the actions which are considered socially unacceptable and while not covered
by legal control, are scrictly controled by social censure. Ideally (if
socialization is working as it should) legal control is hardly ever needed
since most people voluntarilly control their actions due to the pressure of
social censure.

The control manifests itself in day-to-day life as "guilt" and
"morality".  I've heard it said (and fully believe) that if it weren't for
the VAST majority of people policing themselves, legal control would be
absolutely impossible.

Lately (last 50, 100 years?) however there has been a move to
attempt to dissengage the individual from societal control (ie. if it ain't
illegal, then don't pick on me).  I'm not saying this is wrong, merely
that it is a byproduct of a society which has:

	1) A high education level,
	2) A high exposure to alternative ideas via the popular media,
	3) A high level of institutionalized individual rights, and
	4) A "me" oriented culture.

I guess what I'm saying is that we appear to be in a state of transition,
here in the western world in that we still have many ideas about what we can\
can't allow people to do based entirely on personal squeamishness, yet we
are fully bent on maximizing individual freedoms to the max as long as
those freedoms don't impinge on another's.

IMHO society is trying to persue two mutually exclusive ends here.  While we
appreciate and persue individual rights (these satisfy the old
territoriality and dominance instincts), the removal of socialized,
inherent fears based on ignorance will result in the
continued destabilization of society.

I got no quick fix.  I have no idea how we can get ourselves out of this
mess.  I know I would never consent to the roll-back of personal freedoms
in order to "stabilize" society.  Yet I believe development of societies
follow a Darwinian process which selects for stability.  Can we find a
social model which maximizes indiv. freed.'s yet is stable?  Perhaps it is
possible to live with a "non-stable" society?

Anybody see a way out?  Comments?

PS.  Therefore answer to question #3:  We don't.  Do we want to?

Phil Trodwell


I understand the when one is in orbit, the inward force of gravity at
one's center of mass is exactly balanced by the outward centrifugal
force from the orbiting motion, resulting in weightlessness.

 I want to know what weightlessness actually FEELS like. For example, is
there a constant sensation of falling? And what is the motion sickness
that some astronauts occasionally experience?

 Please reply only if you are either a former or current astronaut, or
someone who has had this discussion first-hand with an astronaut.
Thanks!


I am, at long last, going to replace my beloved 512ke.
I am looking at a new LC III and a used IIci.  Prices
have yet to be worked out, so I'm just thinking right now
about their merits and drawbacks.

Here's what I've thought of:

The IIci has much greater potential for expansion, a la NuBus and
greater memory capacity.

The LC III would be new, under warranty, newer ROMs (is the IIci
"32-bit clean"?), and would have sound input.  I also like the
"pizza-box" case.

Performance-wise, I have read that they are almost identical, the
LC III being a little slower.

So, which should I get?


I have a Turbo Grafx 16 game system with the add on CD-ROM system forsale.  I want to sell the Turbo grafx, Turbo CD, Turbo pad, and Y's Book I and II  (CD) for $100.  I'll split the S&H charges.  Please reply by e-mail to jth@bach.udel.edu.


Please don't post uuencoded bitmaps here.  If you want to do so, put them
in the alt.binaries.* areas.  These files are very large and may crash
some users newsfeeds.  It's also a waste of band width.  Also, we all
know how to convert .gif to .bmp with many programs so it'd really not
worth posting all of these .bmp files.
 - thanks


CCW's are issued at the discretion of the police chief, so it varies
town by town.

In my town, forget about anything more than "target and sport" (carry to
and from the gun club / hunting area only) unless you're Mr. Moneybags
with Large Daily Deposits.  ("Your life isn't worth shit, but your money --
now, that's important.")  In other towns, they treat law abiding citizens
like adults.

Secret game hint: you never know when the rules will be changed -- a change
in police chief can throw a town from either side of the board to the other
-- fun for the whole family!

Some chiefs will grant you a "personal protection" permit if you have been
attacked or threatened.  Some other blue-suited assholes have been known to
count this as a NEGATIVE against applicants.

It's a crap shoot, and your rights are the stakes.
--


    THe bowler is John Burkett, who went to 4-0 last night.  He is
a bargain pickup on my roto team, I got him at a minimum of $5.

     This is not really true.  Excluding last season, the Giants
has been a better 2nd half team.  In 1991, they had a hot August
to pull to within a few games of the Braves and Dodgers before
fading in September.
     The Giants may go back to earth, but not as fast as last
season for two reasons:
(1)   Barry Bonds
(2)   Roger Craig is no longer the manager.  Dusty can manage
      his pitching staffs much better than Craig.


    ESPN never committed (and I never saw advertised) to a particular
Thursday game.  They had originally scheduled Bos-Buf, and that was
somehow leaked on this net, but to my knowledge ESPN never publicly
released a schedule until Monday when they announced Pitt-NJ Thursday
and Boston-Buffalo Saturday.


Ah, but the illusion in football is that there is always lots of action and
a sense of urgency because of the game clock (not all the time, but it happens
when there's less than 5 minutes to go quite often).  This sense creates
drama, even when there may not necessarily be any and that holds a viewer's
attention.  In baseball, only 3 players are involved in the action for about
(here comes a wild guess) 70% of the time?  And they're just playing a
sophisticated game of catch/hold-the-ball/step-out-of-the-box/adjust-chains/
touch-self-in-interesting-locations.  There's a lot of "dead time" with the
players warming up between innings or the manager visiting the pitcher at the
mound or the manager removing the pitcher and bringing in a relief pitcher
who then takes (8? 10?) pitches or Helen Dell playing the organ (Dodger fans
will appreciate that one).  To the non baseball junkie this is boring.
At any rate, I'm not putting baseball down for this - I've been an avid
fan since I can remember - it's just that watching a baseball game on
T.V. at home can be tedious for the non baseball junkie.  That's what Major
League Baseball and the networks are trying to address when they talk of
shortening the game.  It's because of T.V. not because "football has more
action than baseball".


-| In article <C65oIL.436@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
-| Okay.  Name one single effect that Kirlian photography gives that
-| can't be explained by corona discharge.

Dozens of very funny postings to sci.image.processing
[of which this may not be one :-].


What is wrong with "the Spirit talking to Himself."  Jesus intercedes
for us, and Romans 8:26-27 tell of how the Spirit intercedes for
us before God.  That is no theological problem.  Tounges as a prayer
language finds support in I Corinthians 14:14-18.

Its true that this could be (and has been) used as a rug to sweep
any difficulties under.  But it is a valid point.  Paul does mention
angelic tounges in the verse.

If the languages we sepak are the result of Babel, then it stands to
reason that angels would speak a different language from us.  You do
have a valid point about multiple angelic languages.  But angelic
beings maybe of different species so to speak.  maybe different species
communicate differently.

I have heard an eyewitness account, myself.  Such things are hard to prove.
They don't lend themselves to a laboratory thing very well.  I don';t
know if it is a very holy thing to take gifts into a laboratory anyway.

That's an unprovable statement.  How can you prove if somethings been proved?
There is no way to know that you've seen all the evidence.  Once I
saw an orthodontists records complete with photographs showing how one of
his patients severe underbite was cured by constant prayer.

John G. Lakes once prayed for someone and saw them healed in a laboratory,
according to "Adventures in God."  Its an interesting book.


I've come across a circuit from Integrated Circuit Systems Inc
called a GSP500.   This chip genlocks a VGA card to a dual input
NTSC signal.
The output from this chip is basicly a pixel clock, and has various
speeds.  I notice that it outputs a 28mhz clock..  can this output be
used on an Amiga system?
And must it be NTSC/VGA  or can it be NTSC/NTSC  ?

Any simple circuits to boost an NTSC to a VGA signal?
Need to genlock a laser disc to my 31khz video.
-John


My apologies for the typo - I meant the Wings had 5 power plays in the
first period and the Leafs none.

As well, my point isn't that the refs were biased, just that they were
calling a lot of penalties, which works to the benefit of the Wings.

Having the ref call a whole bunch of penalties against one team then
calling a bunch against the other to "make up for it" takes a lot away
from what could have been a great game.


I have osteoarthritis, and my huband has just been diagnosed with diabetes
(type II, I guess--no insulin).

I've been trying to read up on these two conditions, and what really
surprises me is how few experiments have been done and how little is known.
Losing weight appears to be imperative for diabetes and advisable for
arthritis (at least, for -women- with arthritis), but, of course, the very
conditions that make weight loss advisable are part of the reason for the
weight gain.

For myself, I'm almost afraid to lose weight, because no matter how gentle
and sensible a diet I use (the last one was 1800-2000 calories, in about
eight small meals), the weight won't go off gradually and stay off.
Instead, it drops off precipitously, and then comes back on with much
interest, like bread on the waters.

With this experience, it's hard to be encouraging to my husband.  All I can
suggest is to make it as gradual as possible.

Meanwhile, some experts recommend no sugar, others, no fat, others, just a
balanced diet.  It's almost impossible to tell from their writings -which-
parts of their recommendations are supposed to help the condition, and
which are merely ideas the expert thinks are nifty.

Is it my imagination, or are these very old conditions very poorly
understood?  Is it just that I'm used to pediatrician-talk ("It's strep;
give him this and he'll get well.") and so my expectations are too high?


You wouldn't have to put my name at the bottom if you simply appended a
standard disclaimer that the opinions expressed in your petition in no
way claim to represent the views of either rec.sport.hockey or the internet
as a whole.  You have surely seen these disclaimers appended to the postings
of many who work for companies and post on the net.  The disclaimers, clever
though some of them may be, are there for a reason.

--


From article <ardie.313.736188058@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by ardie@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ardie Mack):

EMM386 is NOT reqired to load the DOS kernal high (or else you couldn't
do it on a 286).  In a mail message I recommended that he remove it
since he only runs ProcomPlus frequently in DOS, and I suspect
EMM386 will slow down windows.


                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Which is a helluva lot more than any Republican attorney general ever did!

 BTW, why all the crocodile tears over wasting a few religious nuts, who
 wanted to be wasted anyway?  We just got back from wasting a few hundred
 thousand religious nuts over in the Middle East, and everybody cheered!!


How is it that placebos are legal?  It would seem to me that if, as a patient,
you purchase a drug you've been prescribed and it's just sugar (or whatever),
there's a few legal complications that arise:

	1.
If you have been diagnosed with a condition and you aren't given accepted
treatment for it, it seems like intentional medical malpractice.

	2.
A placebo should fall, legally, under the label of quackery (why not?)

	3.
Getting what you pay for.  (Deceptive "bait and switch" to an extreme...).  False
advertising  (what if McDonalds didn't put 100% pure beef in their hamburgers?)

	So I'm mystified.  Are these assumptions erred?  If they aren't, why the
hell can a doctor knowingly or unknowingly prescribe a placebo?


From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Zionists reject non-Jews. News

Ethiopian Jews and not-quite Jews

The Israeli press has published items about Ethiopian
Jews waiting in camps in Addis Ababa for immigration to
Israel, who are dying of starvation. The following are
excerpts from an interview with the former general
director of the JDC project for development and welfare
of Ethiopian Jews, Kobi Friedman (Hadashot, 21 April
1993), who has stated that "there are people dying in
Addis Ababa, but they are converts to Christianity":

"Hadashor published the item about the dying Jews after
viewing a video tape filmed last week in Adis Ababa.
How do you know that they are actually converts to
Chritianity ?

"If there are Jews on the tape, then I don't know what to
say. I am speaking from experience when I say that those
who remained in Ethiopia are Christians. I know that
there have previously been things published in the press
by interesting parties, and there is no connection
between them and reality."

"What interested parties ?"

"Ethiopian immigrants who want their Christian relatives
to come here."

"What to you recommend that Ethiopian children in Israel
do, when their parents and the rest of their relatives
remain in Ethiopia ?"

"I ask if it is the job of the State of Israel to bring in the
40 relatives who stayed in Ethiopia. Well, my answer is
that it is not. It would be a better solution, economically
as well, for that young man to buy a one-way ticket to
Ethiopia and reunite with his family there."


 Let me get this right - sorry, try again.  Let me get this straight -
well maybe that too is a poor choice of words - someone might think
I'm pushing a gay agenda.  How about:  let me try to understand this
by re-phrasing it as an extreme.  I, as a minority of one, have no right
to a beautiful world.  You, on the other hand have the right to make an
ugly one because you presume to speak for all the rest.  And I cannot
complain.  Curious.

..

And do you want everyone to do as you wish (insist on putting something
up that will impact everyone for selfish reasons) _without_ any legislation?
And no one else can even object?  Somehow I think this whole shoving
contest has gotten way off the track.  I'm ready to let this thread
die a quick and merciful death.


I understand that Adobe is working on making Photoshop available for
the SGI Indigo, but that is just "rumor" and I wouldn't bet on it
until I see it. But they >are< going to release Illustrator for the SGI
"real soon now."


Greetings netters,
	I have the following items for IMMEDIATE sale.  I need the money and
if you need the stuff, we can work out a deal.  :)

Sharp single disk cd player
	Originally paid oodles, but that was a couple of years ago.  It works
	well, has all the standards...(remote sensor[remote not included];
	20 track pragrammable memory; etc.)  I got a new one and need to sell
	this one.  Please email me an offer!!  (it's the standard black
	component style cd player)

3.5" 1.44 meg floppy drive
	A real IBM floppy drive with cable and mounting case.  I paid $40
	a couple of months ago.  The drive works (as last time in).  I
	would like to get the $40 back for it, but OBO applies.

5.25" 360K floppy drive
	I'm sure someone out there needs an extra 360K.  It works great and
	is nice and quiet.  Again, please email offer.

RC10 remote control car
	4 time world leader design.  It was just overhauled.  It runs great,
	even though the body if not all that pretty.  Has new engine in it
	as well as racing pinion.  The chassis is nicked up from hard running,
	but it's still a great car.  Does not include electronics.  Comes
	with monster truck conversion kit (wheel arms already installed)-virgin
	truck body and bumper etc.  Car+kit=$100+20=$120 OBO...make an offer!

D&D stuff...you name it, I probably have it.  Please send email regarding what
	you want...or a request for sale list.  I hate to part with any of it,
	but needs are needs, eh?

Misc CD's
	Alice in Chains - Facelift    $8
	Skid Row (self titled)  $8  both obo...really.

Box of computer printer paper...paid $20 for it, make offer.

I might have 4 1*9 meg **60** ns SIMMS forsale if I get a new motherboard...
	if you interested, the price is $40 a piece sold as a set.


(I presume you are quoting John 3:3-7.)

1.  My King James Bible says "Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"
(John 3:5).  (Here "man" == "adult").
(However, this could be a quibble between translations.)

2.  We can also analyze to whom the Lord is addressing:
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again"
(John 3:7).  Here Jesus is clearly directing his remarks
to Nicodemus -- a ruler of the Jews (not a child).

3.  We can ask ourselves why the Lord would even
introduce the concept of spiritual re-birth through
baptism if newborn babies weren't free from sin?

A IDLER


Just opened up the distribution.


i    of course car safety is important.. I for one used to think that these
guys are going way OTT with their airtbags (sorry del button dont work) and
side impact bars and crash zones and (the list goes on) just tpo make the
car heavbier (and all its penalties) ... bur recently I had a little accident (on
my bike) and not as bad as John's ..... but after the accident - it made me
realizer I should have worn a helmet (my mom always insistede I should... I was
more concerned about my hair style).....


I'm running xterm under X11R5, Motif 1.1, mwm and UNIX SVR4 on a UNISYS
386 based machine. My default shell is /bin/csh or the C shell. Whenever
I run xterm, I get the following message before the first C shell prompt:

Warning: no access to tty; thus no job control in this shell...

After this, I can't run any job control commands like fg, bg etc. Also,
I can't run another xterm from the command line of this xterm (I can only
launch additional xterms from a .mwmrc menu).

I'd appreciate some help with this problem, or pointers to where I can get
some help. By the way, my environment variable TERM is set to xterm.

----------------------------
Saad Mufti
Personal Library Software


        Batse alone isn't always used to determine position.  WHen a
particularly bright burst occurs, There are a couple of other detectors that
catch it going off.  Pioneer 10 or 11 is the one I'm getting at here.  This
puppy is far enough away, that if a bright burst happens nearby, the huge
annulus created by it will hopefully intersect the line or general circle given
by BATSE, and we can get a moderately accurate position. Say oh, 2 or 3
degrees. That is the closest anyone has ever gotten with it.
        Actually, my advisor, another classmate of mine, and me were talking
the other day about putting just one detector on one of the Pluto satellites.
THen we realized that the satellite alone is only carrying something like 200
pounds of eq.  Well, a BATSE detector needs lead shielding to protect it, and 1
alone weighs about 200 pounds itself.


Looking for a TIFF/EPS of a DNA Helix.  E-mail any auggestions, please.


From the May Computer Shopper magazine:

				Nanao F550i		Nanao T560i
Tube Manufacturer		Mitsubishi		Sony Trinitron
Active Screen Size (diag)	15.5"			16.25"
Maximum Resolution		1280x1024		1280x1024
Video Bandwidth (Mhz)		80			120
Min/Max Vertcl scan rate (KHz)	55/90			55/90
Min/Max Horiz scan rate (KHz)	30/65			30/80
Dot Pitch (mm)			0.28			0.26
Sugg. List Price		$1749			$2699
Street Price			$1059			$1690


I'm sure all of you have heard of the extraordiary start by  rookie
J.T. Snow of the California Angeles.  Other than the fact that his
father was a star receiver with the L.A. Rams and is now a radio
personality in Los Angeles and J.T. came from the Yankees organization
I don't know much about J.T.  If anyone has info and background on
the young fenom....please post.

By the way, for those of you not following his exploits he has hit
four home runs in three days.  Two last night.  He has also delivered
the winning hit a couple of times for the Angeles in this young season.

Thanks...


Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2

Last week I went to see a gastroenterologist. I had never met this
doctor before, and she did not know what I was there for. As soon as I
arrived, somebody showed me to an examining room and handed me a gown.
They told me to undress (from the waist down, to be exact) and wait for the
doctor. Is this the usual drill when you go to a doctor for the first
time? I don't have much experience going to doctors (knock on wood), but
on the couple of occasions when I've gone to a new doctor, I met him
with my clothes on. First, he introduced himself, asked what I was there
for and took a history, all before I undressed.

Are patients usually expected to get naked before meeting a doctor
for the first time? Personally, I'd prefer to meet the doctor on
something remotely resembling a condition of parity and to establish an
identity as a person who wears clothes before dropping my drawers. If
nothing else, it minimizes the time that I have to spend in the self
conscious, ill at ease and vulnerable condition of a person with a bare
bottom talking to somebody who is fully clothed.

Does anybody besides me regard this get-naked-first-and-then-we-can-talk
attitude as insensitive? Also, is it unusual?


Bill Coleman writes...

(responding to a discussion about a mosque in Jerusalem allegedly
having been destroyed by Israel)

BC> In today's Jerusalem Post Magazine there is a feature story about the
BC> ongoing restoration of synagogues in the Jewish Quarter.  The author,
BC> Leah Abramowitz, writes that there were FIFTY-SEVEN synagogues in the
BC> quarter in 1948, ALL of which were destroyed, some, she says, used as
BC> donkey stables.  The building shells, that is.
BC>
BC> I still find it really, really hard to understand why the demolition
BC> of the buildings in front of the Kotel continues to evoke more outrage
BC> than this.  Everything is so much cheaper when it happens to the Jews.
BC>
BC> Why?

    The double standard of human behavior regarding the Jews must
    be manitained.

    A perfect example is the outcry over the temporary removal of
    400 men who advocated murdering Jews and destroying the State
    of Israel, compared to the deafening silence over the abusive
    treatment of Jews in Arab countries during the past 50 years.

    Compare the tacit appoval that the world gives to Muslims who
    randomly murder Jewish civilians to the righteous indignation
    expressed if people in the occupied territories are kept from
    working in Israel in an effort to reduce these random murders
    from occuring, while everyone knows that no country is at all
    required to accept foreign workers, except Israel, of course.

    Jewish blood has always been cheap.  The non-Jewish world ha
    never regarded any form of Jewish suffering important, except
    when the Jews were the models of the powerless victim holding
    the high moral ground, as it had been just after World War 2.
    However, as soon as the Jewish people started to take care of
    themselves, the ancient hatred of Jews was unleashed again.

    I doubt if the non-Jewish world is even capable of having any
    compassion towards Jews as anti-semitism is so ancient and so
    basic to both Christianity and Islam.

    Golda Meir said that there would be peace when the Arabs love
    their own children more than they hate the Jews.  And while I
    know that there are more Arab parents who love their children
    than those who would send their children out into the streets
    to throw rocks at men trained to defend themselves with guns,
    the world is so obsessed by a hatred of Jews trying to defend
    themselves that they have yet to even question the actions of
    those parents who not simply allow their children to do this,
    but encourage them to throw themselves into harm's way.  Even
    Arab children are expendable, if their tragic deaths are used
    in the neverending propoganda battle to blame Israel, and the
    Jews, for any misfortune befalling Arabs in the middle east.


Hi:

I went to the orthopedist on Tuesday. He diagnosed me as having
"intersection syndrome". He prescribed Feldene for me. I want
to know more about the disease and the drug.

Thanks


US House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515


Hello all,

          There is a small problem a friend of mine is experiencing and I
would appreciate any help at all with it.

My friend has been diagnosed as having a severe case of depression requiring
antidepressants for a cure. The main problem is the side effects of these.
So far she has been prescribed Prozac, Aurorix, and tryptanol all with
different but unbearable side effects.

The Prozac gave very bad anxiety/jitters and insomina, it was impossible to
sit still for more than a minute or so.

The Aurorix whilst having a calming effect, all feelings were lost and the
body co-ordination was similar to a drunken person. Her brain was clouded
over.

The tryptanol gave tremors in the legs and panic attacks along with unco-
ordination occurred. She did not know what she was doing as her brain was
"closed down".

Has anyone had similar problems and/or have any suggestions as to the next
step?

Thankyou in advance.


Wrong newsgroup or no, What did Syd mean when he wrote that line?


Forgive me if this is stupid, but didn't I see a rumor somewhere that Apple
was working on an Intel platform OS.  Say like system 7 for 80X86's?


Can anyone offer a suggestion on a problem I am having?
I have several boards whose sole purpose is to decode DTMF tones and send
the resultant in ASCII to a PC.  These boards run on the serial interface.
I need to run * of the boards somwehat simultaneously.  I need to be able to ho
ok them up to a PC>  The problem is, how do I hook up 8+ serial devices to one
PC inexpensivley, so that all can send data simulataneously (or close to it)?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Abhin Singla


im interseted in buing some of those....I am a student at R.I.T. please reply saying how to contact you.....Ed


Hi all.

I've been installing a new hard drive recently and have run into several
terms that I'm not sure about.

1.) Hard Sectored/Soft Sectored -- What's the difference?  How do I know
which to use?

2.) Head Skew & Cylinder Skew -- I understand that these are related to
performance... How do I know what's optimal?

My drive is an ESDI drive, if that makes a difference in discussing
these terms.

		Any info/help is greatly appreciated!


I went there too.  All I can say is

"TOO MUCH TRASH".


Re: Methods for attaching heat sink to processor.

Go to Radio Shack and buy a tube of heat sink compound. It comes
in a little blue and white tube with a black screw on cap.  At
Radio Shack, it's catalog number 276-1372.  It's a mix of
silicone and zinc oxide, and conducts heat very well.  Plus, it's
tacky.


I would argue Gerald, that Bowman is the first "modern" coach.
Bowman's Canadiens were the first NHL team to have a weight-room
in the 70s.  He is the first coach I have seen, that manipulates
the press into spreading false game plan rumours.  (During important games
listen to the pre-game interview will Bowman and compare that to
what is on the ice!)  I agree Bowman is a master of the lineups.
Remember last year in the SC when he benched Jagr only to set him free
in OT.  When Jagr banged in the winning goal I thought this was
trademark Bowman and also a sign of a modern coach!

I am left asking "What is a modern coach if not Bowman?"


...

I'm in Japan.
(Michael, could you give me more info about where Akita is: nearest city
would be good)

If I find it, I'll get pictures and post a digitised version if enough
people are interested.


I don't think mr. Clinton can even understand the technical details of
the clipper encryption scheme. So, his "assurances" are of no value at
al, if he gives them he just says what a panel of experts(?) told him.
If I lived in the USA, I would hope those experts were not paid by the
<fill here you favorite 3-letter combination>.


That would be the Opel GT, sold in this country from '69 to '73.  It originally
had a 1100 cc engine, which was later replaced by the 1900 cc.  It was based
on the old Kadett drive train and suspension, with leaf springs in the rear
and a single transverse leaf spring in the front.  It looked good, but was
limited as a performer.

There has also been some discussion in this thread about the Manta and other
models.  In 1971 Opel introduced a new line of models, the 1900 series, that
were also known as model numbers 51, 57, etc.  These cars had the newer
1900cc engine and were available as two and four-door coupes, a station wagon,
and a "sport coupe", known in Europe as the Manta.  At the same time, there
were two 30-series cars, which sold very few numbers, that also had the 1900
engine but the Kadett suspension.  The sport coupe, (model 57) was also
available as the Rallye, (57R), with a blacked out hood, tach, and fog lights,
but was mechanically the same except for a numerically higher rear end ratio.

In 1973 the sport coupe was also named the Manta in the US.  1973 was the last
year for the GT in any country, both because of the US bumper height regulations
and the fact that FIAT exercised an option on the factory that Opel was leasing
to build the GTs.

The 1900 series continued in 1974 with minor body differences.  In 1975, the
Manta, 1900 sedan (also called the Ascona) and the wagon were available with
Bosch electronic fuel injection.  These cars also had larger brakes and
wider wheels.  These cars were starting to compete with the 1975 Buick Century
low price leader of the time, and were the last Opels imported into the US.

From 1976 to 1979, cars that sported Buick/Opel badges were still sold by
the Buick dealers, but were rebadged Isuzu I-marks.  The idea was to call them
Opels instead of changing the dealers' neon signs.

Various models of the 50-series cars dominated the Showroom Stock racing of the
70's in their class, and were known as serious 2002-competition.

Parts are still available from a number of sources.

(I still have a '73 manta and two '75 sedans and all the trick parts I could
collect in 20 years).


It's basement cleaning time.  This stuff has got to go.

I have two boxes of 9 track 2400' tapes, around 20 tapes/box.  They are
free to anyone who wants to come by and pick them up.  They've seen
very little use.  If anyone wants these bad enough to ship, they're yours
for the cost of shipping, the cod charge and a $10 nusiance fee.

I have a lot of serial cables.  I have all kinds, ribbon, shielded, long,
short M-M, M-F whatever you want.  Most appear to work well with PC serial
ports, but I will not gaurantee that.  Tell me what you want and I'll do
the best I can to match.  1.50 ea or 10/$10.  Shipping included.  No CODs
under $20.  (You want to pay a $5 COD charge for a $1.50 cable?  Go buy
the cable at your local computer store instead, it'll be cheaper.)  I believe
these cables were removed from service at a computer center.  They appear
to be in good condition and the ones I have used have worked well.

I also have a 15 KVA Exide UPS with batteries that needs minor repair, probably
a logic board.  It weighs about 280 pounds and is 36 inches high.  I think
they used to run a Prime system off of it.  Best offer over $75, but you
need to come pick it up.  Use this to run your house from your solar panels.

I will consider reasonable offers on any of this stuff.


the owners are whining about baseball not being popular among a
large enough portion of the population, and have suggested various
"remedies", such as shortening the game or trying to convince us that
"smoke'embake'emdominatebysheerintimidation" is an accurate description
of what is, essentially, a laid-back game.

forget those lame ideas.  here is my new and exciting two-point plan to
generate interest in baseball among the masses.

point one: sex.
point two: violence.

let's face it, sex and violence are the only things that sell in
america.  here's how we can implement them in the game:

sex: cheerleaders, cheerleaders, and more cheerleaders.  dancing on top
     of the dugouts.  bringing hot dogs to the umps during the seventh
     inning stretch.  running up and down the stands.  (the south bend
     white sox actually do this).

violence: baseball players are such utter wuss boys.  the pitcher beans
     the batter, and both benches empty in what is called a "bench-clearing
     brawl".  EVERYBODY JUST STANDS THERE AND LOOKS AT EACH OTHER. stand,
     stand, stand.  look, look, look.  ho, hum.  then, the bullpens
     come running in.  when they reach the "fight", they just stand
     there, too.

     anybody coming off the bench who does not throw at least one punch
     should be suspended and fined.  further, the bullpens should fight
     it out in the outfield, so as not to waste time and energy running
     to the infield.

football: sex, violence.
basketball: sex, violence.
hockey: violence.
baseball: "da pastime of da nayshun!" - yawn.


	The War on some drugs has already turned alot of police into
	criminals.  This is yet another nail in the constitution's coffin.


Regardless, they'd have to sparkle from the pressbox.  Errey's been
out a couple games with a hip injury.


I know this is the wrong place to post this, but I couldn't find any
relevant newsgroups in my area.

For those of you who are from PA, where is VASCAR (where the cops
measure your speed from the time it takes you to cross the distance
between two white lines on the road, right?) most commonly used?  I'm
especially interested in the Pittsburgh area (specific locations, prior
experiences, if possible).  For those PA and non-PA, if they use VASCAR
in your state, is it most common in rural, city, highway areas, etc.
What I'm interested in mainly is where I can speed with the least risk
of being caught.  You can always detect radar, but there's no way to
fight VASCAR unless you know where all the white lines are.

Thanks a lot,


[ stuff deleted ]

The French SPOT is an example that comes to mind.  Although the
company (name escapes me at the moment) sells images world-wide, you
can bet your last dollar (franc??) that the French gov't gets first
dibs.

I remember a few years ago (about the time SPOT was launched), I
was speaking to my Dad (an USAF officer) about this and that, and I
happend to mention SPOT (I think we were talking about technology
utilization).  He just about went ballistic.  He wanted to know how I
knew about SPOT and just what I knew.  I guess that space surveillance
is such a sensitive topic in the Air Force that he couldn't believe
that I would read about such a system in the popular press (ie. AV week).

mark,


Hey,guess what's coming to ESPN for a change? A playoff which doesn't
involve the Pens. Not that there is anything wrong with that...

ESPN games :

Thursday  Game3 Pens at Devils at 7:30(Gary Thorne and Bill Clement)
Saturday  Game4 Caps at NY Isles at 7:30(Tom Mees and John Davidson)

ABC game :

Sunday    Game4 Pens at Devils at 1:00 (Gary Thorne and Bill Clement)

ESPN named its #2 broadcast team on Tuesday. It paired Tom Mees(play by
play) with John Davidson(analyst).


To all the Braves doubters:

Don't worry.  The bats will come alive, and the Braves will come around.
The pitching is solid, and as long the Braves don't have serious injuries
to the starting rotation, they'll continue to pitch well.  Heck, with
the five starters on the Braves rotation, they could even sustain an
injury to one of the five (I hope this doesn't happen, though).

The bats are there... Pendleton will certainly bat over .280, Justice
is catching fire, Bream, Nixon, Sanders, Gant... well, there's too
much offense there to be kept quiet for much longer.  Right now, the
Cleveland Indians have 7 players batting over .300!  But I certainly
wouldn't their seven for our respective seven (though wouldn't the
Braves be something right now with their pitching and 7 players batting
over .300?).

The bullpen... well, it IS suspect.  But when the bats come alive, the
guys in the bullpen will be of less concern.

So anyway, I believe the Braves will be tough to beat this season.  I'm
not saying the Braves have automatically won the division, but I'm optim-
istic about their season (though it's awful painful to watch them at
times right now).

Go Braves!!!


1528.98
                         ^^^^^^^^

Hmm, new Duo machines to be released 07/13/93 ?

Sincerely,
Lars


Oops...small mistake.  Thanks for mentioning it.  I just read on
the.Israel.line that a village just got shelled by terrorists last week
and some children were killed.  I guess the terrorists must have gotten by
the security zone.  Just think at how much more shelling would be
happening if the security zone weren't there.
L8r...

   Steve
--


Hello,

I want a little network for 3 users. All users want to run Windows.
The most important things I want for the network are: file-sharing,
mail utility, two printers on one of the computers and a fax/modem
card on one of the computers. We all want to use each others harddisk.

My idea was to buy three computers (one 486DX and two 386DX). All
three have a 40Mb local harddisk, the 486 also has a very large
harddisk. All three also have a network card. The 486 is connected to
the printers and contains the fax/modem card. And last but not least:
Workgroups for Windows.

My questions:
- Is this possible?
- What exactly are the possibilities and advantages of Workgroups
  for Windows?
- Will all the computers be fast enough? Behind all three, someone
  is working.


If your distance calc is correct for an "on the road distance" (and not
as the crow flies), this is 900km a day for 5 days.  If you spend the
entire time on interstates, which would be a total waste of time, that's
at least 8 hours on the road every day not including eating/peeing/
sight-seeing etc.

I was contemplating a similar trip, but from Ottawa to LA, or
maybe Ottawa to Austin Tx.

I figured if I wanna do a trip of this magnitude and enjoy it, I'd
have to get my ass off the major Interstates and spend LOTS of
time enjoying the country around me; i.e. stopping with a camera,
meeting towns-people, going to a few bars.  No sense spending 2 weeks
looking out a helmet with the closest human contact found at the gas
pump.

I estimated I'd need at least 4-5 weeks to make the trip worthwhile.

In question 8:)

Try and stay off the interstates!!!

Depending on your route and my plans, I may be heading that way as far
as at least Detroit.

Call the Whithorse Pess.  They're a book distributer catering to
Motorcyclists.  They have a large number of books highlighting
the best roads FOR MOTORCYCLISTS along the general route
you're looking at.  They carry listings of bed and breakfasts
all through the States which accept motorcyclists.  Order their free
catalog and within you'll probably find books covering absolutely
all you needs for this trip.  Their #'s in the Motorcyclist and/or
Cycle World classifieds.

O.K.


Ken:

Your arguments are thoughtful but you are going up against the Big
Boys if you're tackling Henry.  Allen Sherzer will doubtless chime in
on the subject of staggering operational costs, too.  Good luck, son.

Ahem.  The Russians are in the Free World now, or at least it would be
Politically Correct to contend so.

It will be tough to make DC-X succeed, and to turn it into an
operational orbital vehicle.  Doubtless it will fail to meet some of
the promised goals.  The reason people are so fond of it is that it's
the *only* chance we have now, or will have for a *long* time to come,
to develop a launch vehicle with radically lower costs.

There is no Shuttle successor in funded development, NASP is dwindling
away, and ALS/NLS/Spacelifter sure as hell aren't gonna knock any
zeroes off that $2000-$3000 per pound cost.   Part of the blame for
this must be placed on a Shuttle program that consumes many annual
billions of the, er, Free World's available space cash.  As you will
no doubt hear from many correspondents in the days to come. (-:

DC-X is an attempt to break out of the vicious cycle by keeping
development costs low and flying incremental "X-plane" hardware.
It's been, to my mind, incredibly successful already-- they've built a
complex prototype in under 600 days for under 60 megabucks.  I would
have been extremely skeptical that this could be accomplished in 1990s
America, never mind flying the thing, getting a successor funded, or
building the DC-Y.

I'm sure you know well that launch costs are THE basic problem for any
expansion of astronautics.  I don't see a realistic  prospect for
beating down those costs, for multi-ton payloads, anywhere else.  If
the DC flops, it'll be business as usual in space.  The Nineties and
the Double-Oughts will look just like the Seventies and Eighties, a
prospect too depressing to bear.

(Pegasus represents another assault on the problem from a different
direction.  It doesn't lower cost-per-pound but it offers an orbital
launch for under ten megabucks.  It's creating its own market for
small payloads.)

I read the magazines and I've attended the last two IAFs. There are
plenty of engineers with paper ideas for cheaper launch systems, some
of them as good as or better than SSTO.  There is no sign in today's
world that any of these designs will be allowed anywhere near an
assembly line.

[...deleting some things I'm not going to prove tonight...]

Strawman.  Is anybody seriously proposing this?  References, please.
The DC must be developed in the real-world funding climate, which
includes a NASA ferociously committed to continuing Shuttle
operations, as well as the "bird in the hand" argument your common
sense tells you.   If DC-Y flies at all, it flies alongside the
Shuttle, not instead of it.

Also, of course, DC-Y and its operational descendants will be useful
for a wide variety of jobs even if they are *not* man-rated.

If a DC-X successor can fly a 10,000-kg payload for $1M, or even $5M,
rather than the $40M it now costs, more people will be able to afford
more payloads... for the same money, you can fly several satellites
instead of one.  Big outfits can fly multi-satellite series.  Little
outfits will be able to fly spacecraft of their own, instead of
begging a ride.  This is just supply and demand.  You should be able
to convince *yourself* that point 4 will be true, assuming DC makes a
big difference in costs.  Do you have some reason to think not?


[...]

OK Steve, here's a sketch of an alternative that I believe addresses
most of the objections to the Clipper scheme.

Notation:
	+	concatenation
	^	exclusive or
	E(M,K)	message M encrypted by key K
	D(M,K)	message M decrypted by key K
	H(M)	hash (digest/signature) of message M

Important Values:
	U0[X]		local chip unit key from escrow agency X
	U1[X]		remote chip unit key from escrow agency X
	N[0]		serial number of the local chip
	N[1]		serial number of the remote chip
	A		number of escrow agencies
	K[0],K[1]	"session keys" agreed upon external to this protocol
	F		"family key", need not be secret

Protocol:
	Choose K0[1],...K0[A] such that K[0] = K0[1]^...^K0[A]
	Remote chip does same for K[1],K1[1],...,K1[A].

	Compute the following:

		L0[1] = E(K0[1], U0[1])
		...
		L0[A] = E(K0[A], U0[A])

		L[0] = N[0] + E(N[0] + L0[1] + ... + L0[A], F)

		Remote chip does the same for L1[1],...,L1[A],L[1]

	Send L[0] to remote chip and receive L[1] from remote chip

	Compute:

		KE[0] = H(K[0] + N[0] + L0[1] + ... + L0[A]
			+ K[1] + D(L[1], F)

		KD[0] = H(K[1] + D(L[1], F)
			+ K[0] + N[0] + L0[1] + ... + L0[A]

		Note that D(L[1], F) = N[1] + L1[1] + ... + L1[A]

		Remote chip does the same for KE[1] and KD[1]

	User data is encrypted (decrypted) with keys KE[0], KE[1]
		(KD[0], KD[1])

Assumptions:
	No trap doors in E(), D() and H(). H() is not invertible.

	Algorithms for E(), D() and H() are secret. Otherwise a software
	implementation (bogus chip) could communicate with a real chip.

	The chip only supports the following operation:

		1)  Return N[0]
		2)  Load K0[x]
		3)  Return E(K0[x], U0[x])
		4)  Return E(N[0] + L0[1] + ... + L0[A], F)
		5)  Given E(N[1] + L1[1] + ... + L1[A], F),
			return N[1],L1[1],...,L1[A]
		6)  Load K[1]
		7)  Given E(N[1] + L1[1] + ... + L1[A], F),
			compute KE[0], KD[0]
		8)  Given M, return E(M, KE[0])
		9)  Given M, return D(M, KD[0])

	Anything programmed into the chip can be determined by destroying
	the chip (U[1],...,U[A],F,N[0]).

	U[1],...,U[A] can not be determined except by destroying the chip.
	(Unfortunately this may not be true in reality. I suppose it's
	possible to determine how a chip has been programmed with a
	sophisticated[sp?] x-ray machine to look for blown fuses.)

	The U's are programmed independantly by the escrow agencies.

Notes:
	For tapping escrow agency Y is given N[0], E(K0[Y], U0[Y]), N[1],
	E(K1[Y], U1[Y]) and returns K0[Y], K1[Y].

	LEA's must contact all escrow agencies with the serial numbers from
	both chips and the encrypted partial keys. This allows the agencies
	to record that both chips were tapped.

	LEA's only get the session key, not the key to all conversations
	of a particular chip. This precludes real-time decrypting of a
	conversation but that isn't one of the STATED requirements.

Observation:
	In order for any secure by "tap-able" communication scheme to work,
	the active parts need to share a secret. And if this secret is
	revealed, communications by those that know the secret can be made
	"un-tap-able". Obvious candidates are the cryptographic algorithm
	and the master (family) key. Relative size and complexity suggests
	that the key can be obtained from a silicon implementation of the
	scheme a LOT easier and faster than the algorithm.

						rsbx

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Raymond S. Brand					rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil


I am looking for the specs for the .mpg files that are floating around
the alt.binaries.pictures.* groups on the net.  Please lemme know where
I can obtain the spec or email it to me.

Thanks much.


Here is a press release from the American Federation of Teachers.

 HHS Secretary Shalala to Address AFT's Paraprofessional and
School-Related Personnel Conference
 To: National and Assignment desks, Education Writer
 Contact: Jamie Horwitz of American Federation of Teachers,
          202-879-4447

   News Advisory:

   Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala will speak
to the 16th annual AFT Paraprofessional and School-Related
Personnel Conference at 8 p.m., Friday, April 23, at the
Washington Hilton.  Shalala will discuss HHS's agenda for helping
children over the next four years.
   AFT's Paraprofessional and School-Related Personnel Division
includes school workers such as paraprofessionals and teacher
aides, school bus drivers, school secretaries, school custodians
and maintenance workers and school food service workers.  More
than a thousand school employees will attend the conference which
is being held at the Washington Hilton, April 23-25.  Most of the
school workers attending the conference come from urban school
districts where child health and nutrition, welfare reform and the
availability of Head Start and other preschool programs are major
issues.
   Workshops scheduled for the conference include sessions
addressing issues around reauthorization of Chapter 1; how
paraprofessionals and school-related personnel, especially
minority men, can serve as student role models; the increasing
problem of school violence; dealing with abused children; and
assisting children with serious health problems.
   For a complete conference schedule, contact Jamie Horwitz
at 202-879-4447.
   The American Federation of Teachers represents 805,000
elementary and secondary teachers, paraprofessionals and
school-related personnel, higher education faculty, nurses, state
and municipal workers.
 -30-


You have yet to answer any or all of my questions and challenges to your
statements.  By this am I to assume that you are unable to do so?  Or just
plain unwilling due to your lack of proof/intelligence?  So what next?  I
prove you wrong so you just put me in your killfile?

Your lack of reasoned response seems to be a typical Clayton response.


No.  It is very relevant.  Homosexual acts and acts of beastiality are
topically aranged together in the law.  This is very important.
Anyone who would want to say that this command against homosexuality
deals with temple prostitution (and I think you would agree that there
is no proof for this.)  If the Law reveals the character of God, and
is "holy, just, and good" as is written in the New Testament, then
those who consider we who are against commiting homosexuals acts
to be biggots have to address this passage of Scripture.

Why must we only discuss Scriptures that involve consensual human
adult relationships?  Isn't that bordering on sophistry?  The point
we are making is that God did not ordain certain kinds of sex acts.
Not everyone who brings up these Scriptures is just trying to use and emotional
argument that compares homosexuals to beastophiles and child molestors.
The issue we are dealing with is that some sex acts are ungodly.

I do not have problem with a loving, nonlustful relationship with a member
of the same sex.  I have them, and we all do.  The issue at hand is
the sinfulness having sex with members of the same sex, or lusting after.
So other forbidden sex acts are a valid topic for conversation.

And the idea that these relationships may be  emotional  relationships
between adult humans is red herring.  We all agree that it is okay
for adults to  have caring relationships with one another.


	[ ... Useful info about the Maxtor drive deleted ... ]

	However, Thad, you should note that he said that he would like to
use it on a 'PC', not 'UNIX-PC'.  Also note the strange cross-posting (as he
probably did not), so it is not sure exactly what sort of machine he intends
to mount it on.  If it *is* a PC (or clone), then the "2C" jumper would be
the correct choice.

	I've left the cross-posting in effect, since I'm not sure which
newsgroup he would really be reading this in. :-)

	DoN.


As far as I can tell, he was right next to Bassen!

Don't you guys love it when people like me come out of the woodwork...8^)


I have a copy.  It isn't in there.  Microsoft says it will not be in
the release version, either.  He just asked if it did or not.  I told
him.

You're welcome.

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


I am looking of information regarding UIMX. I believe this is an application
front end generator tool for Motif (among others). Whould someone given me a
contact? I need to get hold of the programmers' guide, or something like it.


Hi! I've just installed the new XArchie 2.0.1 and it all works
fine, except:

on our grayscale xterm the custom icons compiled into the
program don't work at all, but on the BW terminal it works fine.
I can set the icon to an xbm file with .twmrc, but that doesn't
give the neat-o change when busy action. (Other programs with
similar actions, e.g. xmail, xbiff, work fine.)

The X-interface author, George Ferguson, suggests it might be a
problem with the X intrinsics, but isn't willing to hack around
to fix it himself. But I know zero about X programming, so I
don't think I can find it.

Does anyone out there know an obvious fix for the problem?

Andrew


Back in January and February there were several articles (Wash Post, Time...)
saying that NASA was "considering" the option just as it is now "considering"
a followup mission 6-12 months after the servicing mission.  However, the
down time was estimated to be a year+ (servicing, checkout, sceheduling
and training another shuttle, orbit verification...) and to be quite
expensive.  I think it may have been more a mental exercise than a
real plan.  Don't know.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Dempsey                                 (410) 338-1334
STScI/PODPS

"He which hath no stomach for this fight, Let him depart; his passport
shall be made, and crowns for convoy put into his purse: We would not die
in this man's company that fears his fellowship to die with us." -Shakespeare


Well, I don't normally like to quote myself, but I just got some
additional information.  I called my state rep (to express my support),
and the person there informed me that it's actually just a second
reading of the bill (three are required) for further consideration.
I'm not 100% sure what *that* means, and I'm also not sure why
there's a discrepancy between what the two offices are telling me.

Still researching....

Daryl


Actually, I've got an entire list of books written by various atheist
authors and I went to the largest bookstore in my area (Pittsburgh) and
couldn't find _any_ of them.  What section of the bookstore do you find
these kinds of books in?  Do you have to look in an "alternative" bookstore
for most of them?  Any help would be appreciated (I can send you the list
if you want).


Mr. Oguocha,
  "Muslims" in the Bosnian context are in fact "Turks"... In fact, correct
  me if I am wrong, Serbs are attacking Bosnians with their battle cries
  "Death to the Turks!".

  Is this so shocking? Years of communism apparently suppressed their
  hatred and anger towards the Turks. But such hatred is obviously one that
  dies hard.

  Serbs must understand, Turks are no longer the good old barbarians world
  has come to know by propaganda after propaganda.

  Serbs must further understand that barbarism does not work.

  Serbs must even further understand that barbarism would one day have
  to face counter-barbarism. So, I urge those people [Serbs] to stop
  killing Bosnian women and children. And they must never forget that
  Turks in the motherland are watching...patiently.

 Cordially,


From article <1993Apr25.201129.1239@Princeton.EDU>, by fuchs@tsar.princeton.edu (Ira H. Fuchs):
 generally,  the corrosion is a signal that it's time to send them
 of to the recyclers, but if you're that desperate or cheap try
baking soda and a wire brush. use gloves and goggles, please!


A dealer will make money off you in three ways, if you let him:

	1)  New car markup over his cost (remember his hold-back),
	2)  Arranging financing through the dealership, and
	3)  Screwing you on the trade.

Keep the deal with the dealer simple by eliminating 2 & 3.  Buying a car at
"dealer's cost" is meaningless if he makes $1000 on the trade and/or gets a
kickback from the bank.

Blue book (you need to know if you're talking average wholesale or average
retail) is a good guide to value for a car.  If you are selling it yourself,
try to get average retail, and chances are you'll have done ok.

Be careful selling to acquaintances if you ever want them to become friends.


I don't remember the article that you removed so I can't comment on it.
What I can comment on though is your response.

Do you really believe that what you wrote is sufficient to refute the article?
Do have any facts in addition to your opinion?


I'm a fellow applicant and my situation is not too much better.  I applied
to about 20 schools, got two interviews, got one offer, and am waiting to
hear from the other school.

Let me be honest about my experiences and impressions about the medical
school admissions process.  Numbers (GPA, MCATs) are not everything,
but they are probably more important than anything else.  In fact, some
schools screen out applicants based on these numbers and never even look
at your other qualities.  Of course, when this happens, don't expect a refund
on your $50 application fee.

But, the fact that you got four interviews tells me that you have the numbers
and are very well qualified academically.  You mentioned one response, was it
an acceptance, denial, or wait-list?  If I assume the worst, that it was a
denial, then you still have a great probability of acceptance somewhere.  How
did your interviews go?

As for how long you have to wait, I've called a few schools who never contacted
me for anything.  Many of them told me that the interview season for them was
over and that if I haven't heard by now, I can assume a denial.  Many rejection
letters are not sent out until May or as late as June.  But some schools are
still interviewing. I really don't think you should worry.  Don't become
fixated on the mailbox, go out, have fun, be very proud of yourself.

What do people think of the medical school admissions process?  I had a very
mediocre GPA, but high MCAT scores, and I have been working as a software
engineer for two years.  I majored in Computer Science at Stanford.  Still,
I think the profile of the person who has the best chance of getting admitted
is something like this:

VERY IMPORTANT
--------------
GPA:	3.5 or better
MCAT:   top 15% in all subject

MEDIUM IMPORTANCE
-----------------
Writing/Speaking ability
Maturity
Motivation for going into medicine
Activities

LESS IMPORTANT
--------------
College or University
Major
Work experience
Anything else you want them to know

Anyway, you are in good shape.  I think admissions committees are bound in
many ways by the numbers, but would like very much to understand each
person as an individual.  Sometimes thats just not practical.  But getting
four interviews is an indicator that you have the numbers.  Hopefully, you
were able to impress them with your character.


I can see it now emblazened across the evening sky --


Wrong, the CD300 (external) is just a plain ol' SCSI device.

No, multisession capability and double speed are two different thing.  Its just
that the newer CD ROM drives have both capability.  Multisession means that
when you put more pictures on a photo CD after the first session, the drive can
read and display them.  Double speeds just transfer ANY type of data (excluding
sound) at around double the speed.

CD150 is not multisession capable.  This means that you lose the ability to add
any more pictures after the first time (must buy a new CD).  Finally, since the
CD150 is not a double speed drive, it will require twice as long to transfer
data (excluding sound).


It seems silly, but while I've located things like tgif that can  edit
gif  files, and various tools to convert to/from gif format, I haven't
been able to locate a program that just opens a window and displays  a
gif file in it.  I've looked thru various faq files, also to no avail.
Is there one lurking about in some  archive?   Nothing  sophisticated;
just "show the pretty picture"?

Alternatively, if I could locate the specs for gif, I don't suppose it
would be too hard to write it myself, but I have no idea where to even
start looking for the spec.  (Well, actually, I do have an idea - this
newsgroup.  ;-)


PUFF is sold by CalTech, although very inexpensively for the quality.
Source was also available for the earlier releases for a nominal charge,
but I'm not sure if this practise is continued.

Regards, Stu Beal, VE3MWM, U009@CSX.CCIW.CA,
National Water Research Institute, Burlington, Ontario, Canada.


It is not just you.  I have been aggravated many times by the mouse making
hay of my maladroitness, and would be _ever_ grateful to everyone who would
make keyboard alternatives for ALL mouse actions.


I cant get through to the author of rtrace. His site is inaccessible
can he upload the new version somewhere else please?


I never advocated not saying what you believe in.  I'm advocating second
thought, and calm.

"A smart warrior defeats the enemy in ambush on the battlefield"
"A smarter warrior defeats the enemy in open warfare on the battlefield"
"The smartest warrior defeats the enemy without using the battlefield"

Think about it.


If what was being discussed could be established or disproven by
experiment and observation, then I would agree with you, Chris.
The burden of proof would belong to Bill. But the source
document for Christianity, the Bible, simply assumes God exists
and makes it clear (to us Calvinists, anyway :-)) that when a person
is in fellowship with God, it is because God has taken the initiative
in revealing Himself to that person. So from a Christian point of
view, the burden of proof belongs to God. Bill is being consistent
with what the Bible teaches in relating his own experience with God,
but it would be an error on his part to assume that there is a direct,
causal relationship between his testimony and someone else becoming
convinced that God exists and that he needs to be reconciled to God.

Please excuse me if I missed an earlier part of this thread
in which Bill came across like an egotist. What I saw was simply
obedience to the scriptural command to "always be ready
to give a reason for the joy that is in you".


As the owner of a V65 Sabre (shaftie), I can answer from personal experience:

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


Does anyone know if MSG will televise any of the Binghampton Rangers playoff
games.  Even taped replays would be nice?


God never changes.  He still loves us.  Sending Jesus was one of His
attempts to reconcile with mankind.  The nature of God has not changed.

Sinning in the face of God was punishable by immediate death.  There are
several OT passages to back this up.  God is God.  He cannot tolerate
the prescence of sin in His midst.  And the Israelites knew this!  And
still, some of them chose to disobey and were destroyed.  Were these
people KIND and LOVing themselves?  God gave them every break He could
but in the end, He really had no choice in the matter.  Seeing as how
we were failing to achieve salvation on our own, He sent His Son to die
for us - to be the ultimate sin offering.  Now we live in the age of
grace.

He sent His Son as a consolation to us, out of love.

Hey, let's be fair for a moment here.  KIND and LOVING does not mean
a free ride.  There is an amount of give and take as in any relationship.
Parents are supposed to be kind and loving but does that mean that
children can do whatever they want?  NOT!  Part of being a parent means
administering punishment when the child is at fault.  Part of being a
parent means giving instruction.  God tests us through the trial of
life such that we may grow stronger.  He teaches what is right and
what is wrong.  The consequences of our actions are made clear to us,
be it Heaven or be it Hell.  If God did not follow through with what
He has warned us about, He would not be a very good parent.

In parenting, if a parent issues a warning but does not follow through
with it, the children will not take that parent's words very seriously.
God does the same by telling us who have ears to hear what to do and
what not to do.  By life's trials, we see the folly of doing our own
will rather than His.  He warns us about the consequences of rejecting
Him when it comes time for Judgement.  Do we follow Him?

I will.

Peace be with you,

Malcolm Lee  :)


Wow, is that custom made?

I wish I could get chain drive for my slashfive so
I _too_ can do wheelies and be real squiddly.


The VRAM SIMMs go in the slots at the back - closest to the power supply.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu


But after you have taken antihistamines for a few nights, doesn't it start
to have a paradoxical effect?  I used to take one every night for
allergies and couldn't figure out why I developed bad insomnia.  Finally
figured out it was the antihistamines.  I would fall asleep for a few
minutes but would awaken at the drop of a pin a little later and could not
get back to sleep.  I don't have that problem since I stopped the
antihistamines at bedtime.  ?


In your menu definition, put:

    "Quit TWM" f.function "Execute and Quit"

Then define:

Function "Execute and Quit" {
    !"some_program"
    f.quit
}

--
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.


I guess I'm delving into a religious language area.  What exactly is morality
or morals?  I never thought of eating meat to be moral or immoral, but I think
it could be.  How do we differentiate between not doing something because it is
a personal choice or preference and not doing something because we see it as
immoral?  Do we fall to what the basis of these morals are?

Also, consensus positions fall to a might makes right.  Or, as you brought out,
if whatever is right is what is societally mandated then whoever is in control
at the time makes what is right

MC
MAC
--
****************************************************************
                                                    Michael A. Cobb
 "...and I won't raise taxes on the middle     University of Illinois
    class to pay for my programs."                 Champaign-Urbana
          -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate             cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu


I am a student from San Leandro High school.  I am doing a research
project for physics and I would like information on Edward Jenner and the
vaccination for small pox.  Any information at all would be greatly
apprectiated.  Thank you.


[Discussion on Piracy Deleted]
My own practice with new software :

make a copy of the original floppies to a second set of floppies.

install to hard drive from second set of floppies.

put originals in a box in room number one.

put copies in box in room number two.

1) Accidents DO happen to original floppies.
2) Accidents CAN happen to the installation floppy.
3) Sometimes software goes out on floppies that are JUST marginally good.  Or
   gets too close to a magnet in shipping or storage.

I've had experience with SOMETHING like the last.  I purchased a compiler from
a reputable vendor.  THe debugger in the package just would NOT install to the
hard drive. NO WAY.  Repeated floppy-to-floppy copies FINALLY got a clean read
of the disk.  I DON'T recall if I used "diskcopy", "copy/b", or "xcopy".

I made a second copy of the marginal floppy and installed from that.  No problenms ( except with my typing :-)  ) since.

I regard backup floppies as CHEAP insurance.

Just my side of the question...


THIS IS WHAT I CAME UP WITH USING THE FINAL REGULAR SEASON STATS FOR THE
92/93, WHICH YOU CAN FIND IN THE APRIL 22, 1993 EDITION OF THE USA TODAY!
TRY IT OUT AND SEE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH.....

 1. ADAM OATES           C    BRUINS     145 PTS
 2. TEEMU SELANNE       RW    JETS       136 PTS
 3. ALEXANDER MOGILNY   RW    SABRES     131 PTS
 4. PAVEL BURE          RW    CANUCKS    116 PTS
 5. VINCENT DAMPHOUSSE  LW    CANADIANS  106 PTS
 6. DAVE ANDREYCHUK     LW    MAPLELEAFS 104 PTS
 7. PHIL HOUSLEY        RD    JETS       103 PTS
 8. PAUL COFFEY         RD    REDWINGS    94 PTS
 9. SERGEI FEDOROV       C    REDWINGS    94 PTS
10. ANDY MOOG            G    BRUINS      86 PTS
11. AL INFRATE          RD    CAPITIALS   82 PTS
12. PATRICK ROY          G    CANADIANS   76 PTS
13. AL MACINNIS         LD    FLAMES      60 PTS
14. DENNIS SAVARD        C    CANADIANS   59 PTS
15. CALLE JOHANSSON     LD    CAPITALS    50 PTS
16. YURI KHMYLEV        LW    SABRES      41 PTS
17. RICHARD SMEHLIK     LD    SABRES      36 PTS
------------------------------------------------
    TOTAL POINTS                        1519 PTS


Does anyone know of research done on the use of haldol in the elderly?  Does
short-term use of the drug ever produce long-term side-effects after
the use of the drug?  My grandmother recently had to be hospitalized
and was given large doses of haldol for several weeks.  Although the
drug has been terminated, she has changed from a perky, slightly
senile woman into a virtual vegetable who does not talk to anyone
and who cannot even eat or brush her teeth without assistance.  It
seems incredible to me that such changes could take place in the
course of just one and one-half months.  I have to believe that the
combination of the hospital stay and some drug(s) are in part
catalysts for this.  Any comments?


     Well, almost. It turns out that clever orbital mechanics can
engineer things so that resonant interactions with the higher order
harmonics of the Earth's gravitational field can pump energy into a
satellite, and keep it from experiencing drag effects for periods of
months to years.

     My favorite example of this is the Soviet/Russian heavy ELINT
satellites of the Cosmos 1603 class, which are in 14:1 resonance. In
particular, C1833 has undergone two periods of prolonged *gain* in
altitude, the current one having started in June 1991; the mean altitude
of the satellite is now as high as it has ever been since launch on 18
March 1987. (Looking at the elements for C1833 also shows the
limitations of NORAD's software -- but that's another story.)

    This probably has little relevance to space stations, since the 71
degree orbits of the C1603 satellites are at 850 km, which is
unacceptably far into the inner van Allen belt for manned platforms. But
it's kind of interesting from the point of view of the physics of the
situation.

    (Orbital elements for these satellites are available on request.)

Allen Thomson                  SAIC                       McLean, VA


Lou Gehrig, IRONMAN


Before more bandwidth gets wasted on this:

I APOLOGIZE for my flame.

First, because I distributed the message to so many newsgroups; I did
       not check the crosspostings of the article I followed up on.

Second, for not making my argument clear enough. I reacted to the tone
        of many of the anti-Kirlian posts, not to their content. Right
        or wrong, I found the arguments set in arrogant and sneering words
        (that includes "jokes"), which I still think is unwarranted.

And, obviously, I should not have done the same.


On Sunday 9 May 1993, Kenneth Engel writes (in substance):

  We are told that the penalty for sin is an eternity in Hell.
  We are told that Jesus paid the penalty, suffering in our stead.
  But Jesus did not spend an eternity in Hell.

This objection presupposes the "forensic substitution" theory of the
Atonement. Not everyone who believes in the Atonement understands it
in those terms. For an expansion of this statement, send the
messages
   GET GEN04 RUFF
   GET GEN05 RUFF
   GET GEN06 RUFF
   GET GEN07 RUFF
  to LISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU

Note that the character after the "GEN" is a zero. If you want to
read my opun from the beginning, start with GEN01.


I've heard *unconfirmed* rumours that there is a new Integra being released
for '94.

Does anybody have any info on this?

The local sales people know as much as I can throw them.

--Parms.


Minnesota Lumberjacks (thought of Bunyons - as in Paul, not sore feet or Babes
			as in Big Blue Ox)
Seattle Rainiers (I think this was considered by the new ownership -- harkening
                  back to AAA glory days -- and placating at least one local
                  brewer :-)


  I was referring to their propensity to dent during a spill. Prespill
they are of course a work of art.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am.
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous


Tsiel,

I would contend that there was shelling from both sides of the border,
starting from the early 70's.  Certainly the PLO did shell Northern
Israel from the Arqoub region, but Israel did much more shelling
destroying several South Lebanese villages.  At the very least
we can say that both sides exchanged shelling, with occasional
aerial raids by Israel on Lebanese villages.
In any case Steve's characterization that the 1982 invasion was only in
response to years of shelling from Lebanon is false.  Israel had
many reasons for invading but mainly it did so to install a government
in Lebanon favorable to Israel, and it nearly achieved this aim
with the election of Basheer El Gemayel, and his brother, Amin
El Gemayel, but the internal situation in Lebanon was too hard
to control and predict so Israel had to withdraw, and Amin El Gemayel
had to abrogate the 17 th of May Agreement.


So, you'd sell your bike, and let her
ride around while you have to stay home with
the kids?

Geez, that's a tough choice.


This image is copyrighted. Early in another news group it was being
used as a texture map in a planet orbiting simulation. That program
was being freely distributed but the texture map picture for the
earth had to be pulled because of copyright infringement issues.

mp....


*** On 04-19-93  04:09, John Bongiovanni had the unmitigated gall to say this:

 >>Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over.  The time is (reasonably) accurate
 >>allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning.  This involves
 >>exiting the menu system to get to DOS.

 JB> Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like
 JB> a  clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock
 JB> hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance)
 JB> automatically. The Get Date call notices that a "midnight reset" flag
 JB> has been set, and then then advances the date.

When a program uses a DOS call to get the system, it resets the flag that
tells the BIOS that it has passed midnight.  It then uses this flag to
increment the date.  If the menu does a call to the system to get the time
before midnight, before the BIOS sees the midnight flag, then BIOS will not
know that the day passed and the date will not get updated.

I might have some DOS's and BIOS's mixed up (darned cold messed up my
brains) but this has been a well documented problem for years.  I don't know
of a workaround.  Hope this helps!

... Two most common elements in the universe: Hydrogen & Stupidity.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


In the past few years I have owned 3 Mustang GTs and now own a 91 T-Bird SC.
They all have had this problem. There was a recall on the T-bird for the brake
problem. The Ford dealer replaced the rotors and pads but the rotors warp
after about 10K miles. Between this problem and the fit and finish problems on
the T-Bird I'll never buy a Ford again.


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I've seen people in their forties and fifties become disoriented and
demented during hospital stays. In the examples I've seen, drugs were
definitely involved.

My own father turned into a vegetable for a short time while in the
hospital. He was fifty-three at the time, and he was on 21 separate
medications. The family protested, but the doctors were adamant, telling
us that none of the drugs interact. They even took the attitude that, if
he was disoriented, they should put him on something else as well! With
the help of an MD friend of the family, we had all his medication
discontinued. He had a seizure that night, and was put back on one drug.
Two days later, he was his old self again. I guess there aren't many
medical texts that address the subject of 21-way interactions.

I don't mean this as a cheap shot at the medical profession. It is an
aspect of hospitals that is very frightening to me. Docs seem to believe
that, because they have close control of you, it's quite all right to
take your bodily equilibria into their own hands. That control reduces
the chance that the patient will make a mistake, but health care
providers can make mistakes too, and mistakes can be deadly under those
circumstances.

I grant you that sometimes there's no choice. Nevertheless, I suggest
you procure a list of the drugs your grandmother is getting, and discuss
it with an independent doc. Her problems may not be the effect of HALDOL
at all. HALDOL may have been used validly, or it may have been
prescribed because OTHER medication confused her, and because the
hospital normally prescribes HALDOL for the confused elderly.

Just my opinion,