RAPTURE - OCTOBER 28, 1992

		WHAT TO DO IN CASE YOU MISS THE RAPTURE

I. STAY CALM AND DO NOT PANIC

	Your natural reaction once you realize what has just occurred is to
panic.  But to do so is absolutely useless now.  If you had wanted to get right
with God before the rapture, you could have, but you chose to wait.  Now your
only chance is to stay on this earth and to endure to the end of the
Tribulation.  "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be
saved." - Matthew 24:13

II. REALIZE YOU ARE NOW LIVING DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION

	The Great Tribulation is a seven year period starting from the time of
the rapture until Christ's second coming.  Also know as "the time of Jacob's
(Israel's) trouble" (Jere 30:7) and "Daniel's Seventieth Week" (Dan 9), this
period will be unparalleled in trouble and horror.

III. GATHER AS MANY BIBLES AS YOU CAN AND HIDE THEM

	Soon after the Antichrist becomes the leader of the European Community
(the revived Roman Empire), Bibles will be confiscated and owning a Bible will
be tantamount to treason.  The Bible, however, will be your most valuable
possession during the Tribulation.

IV. READ THE BIBLE LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER READ IT BEFORE IN YOUR LIFE

	Since all of your Bibles may be confiscated, even if you are careful, it
is imperative that you read the Word until you memorize whole passages and can
quote them.  It is especially important to read Daniel, Luke 21, Matthew 24,
Revelation, and Amos, for these books describe the events you can expect to
unfold before you.

V. PRAY LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE IN YOUR LIFE

	Pray until the power of God comes strongly upon you - pray and pray
and pray.  Only by reading the Word and praying will you gain the spiritual
strength to be able to withstand the torture you may have to endure for the
sake of Christ.

VI. DO NOT TAKE THE MARK AT ANY COST - EVEN IN FIT MEANS YOU AND YOUR LOVED
ONES DIE AS MARTYRS

	After the Antichrist becomes the leader of the European Community, he
will institute a world economic system, designed so that you cannot buy, sell,
or eat unless you take his mark or the number of his name.  Money will be
useless.  "And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that
no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.  Here is wisdom.  Let him who has understanding
calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number
is 666" - Revelation 13:16-18.
	The Antichrist will implement the greatest slaughter in all of
humanity.  Think of the various ways people have been tortured and killed
in the past, such as the Holocaust.
[or maybe the crusades? -M]
You cannot even imagine the horror that will take place under the Antichrist's
rule; it will be much worse than anything in history (Matt 24:21) "...I saw
under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and
for the testimony which they held.  And a white robe was given to each of
them: and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer,
until both the number of the fellow servants and their brethren, who would be
killed as they were, was completed." Revelation 6:9, 11.
	His targets will be Jews and Christians who do not worship his image
or take the mark on their forehead or right hadn/ "...And I saw the souls of
those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of
God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark
on their foreheads or on the hands." - Revelation 20:4.  He will use every
form of torture and humiliation in order to force you to renounce Christ.  Nor
will he hesitate to use your loved ones against you, even your children,
torturing and killing them in front of you so that you will be tempted to take
the mark.
	If you take the mark or worship the Antichrist or his image, however,
you will be consigned to the second death, which is the Lake of Fire.
[Sung about so eloquently by Johnny Cash...-M]
You cannot be redeemed.  It is better to endure torture for a short while and
gain eternal life then [sic] to endure eternal torment in the Ring^H^H^H^H Lake
of Fire.  "...If anyone worships the Beast and his image, and receives his
mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink the wine of
the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His
indignation.  An [sic] he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the
presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." -Revelation
14:9-10

[and probably in the presence of season-ticket holders; special hats given to
the first 5,000 at the stadium --M]

VII. SET A PLAN IN MOTION FOR SURVIVAL

	Although you may not be able to hide from the Antichrist's government
until the end of the Tribulation, all of the time you gain in hiding is
important for your spiritual growth and strengthening, since only those who are
extremely strong in Christ can suffer and die for His sake.
	The first thing to do is move out of the city and into a rural or
mountainous area, for the Antichrist's control will come last to the least
populated areas.  Take a good radio or TV with you so that you can stay
attuned to events and discern the time schedule of the Tribulation.
["As you can see on the weather map, heavy currents of Tribulation will sweep
into our area by daybreak.  Expect delays on I-95 outbound, and perhaps school
closings" --M]
Store water and food, because you will not be able to purchase anything without
the mark.  Water in lakes and streams will be polluted by radioactive waste
from nuclear warfare and will eventually turn into blood.
[Get a good water filter. --M]
Bring different types of clothing for all seasons, as well as flashlights,
batteries, generators, and First Aid supplies.  In short, learn how to
survive and live off the land as the pioneers did.

VIII. TRUST NO ONE

	There will be secret agents everywhere, spying for the Antichrist's
government.  Be on the lookout.
[Perot supporters take note --M]

IX. WATCH FOR THE ANTICHRIST

	It is important to realize who the Antichrist is and what he is up to,
for he will deceive many into thinking that he is a great world leader who will
bring peace and prosperity to a world hungry for it.  We can infer from Daniel
11 certain characteristics of this man.  Popular during the first three and a
half years of the Tribulation, he will dominate the airwaves.  He will be
physically appealing, highly intelligent, with Christ-like charisma and
personality.  An international politician, military tactician and economic
expert, his word will be peace; he will make a treaty with the Jews, which
he will break after three and a half years.  He will have such supernatural
power that a mortal wound to his head will be healed.  Even the very elect will
be deceived.  If you do not pray and read the Bible, you too will be deceived.
[Dominate the airwaves?  Perhaps Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh...-M]
	The antichrist will have a companion, the False Prohphet [sic], who
will make an image in the likeness of the Antichrist and cause it to speak.
All who refuse to worhsip [sic] the image will be killed.  The final three and
a half years will be absolutely insane, with demonized spirits everywhere.

X. DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE!

	The seven years of Tribulation will end with the triumphant return of
Christ.  The Antichrist will be defeated.  Be steadfast and endure, and you
will be rewarded greatly in Heaven.
	Start reading the Bible and praying fervently now.  The salvation of
your sould depends upon it.  Determine that, come what may, you will not take
the mark or worship the Antichrist.  You still have a chance to be saved or
remain saved, but this time you will have to be "faithful unto death."

	May God find you ready in the hour of his glorious return!

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Mike Cluff				*  "Christianity is Stupid.
v22964qs@ubvms or mike%luick@ubvms	*   Give up." -Negativland
UB Language Perception Laboratory	*
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Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


You don't give the precise error message, but I assume that
the making of the target fails, because make can't find the rules.

We've seen this happen with SunOS 5.x make as well and aat this
point I'm not sure why it happens. It seems to happen
with large Makefiles. The entries near the end get lost.
Small changes in the makefile will remedy this problem,
as it does in your example.

In the MIT R5 distribution + R5.SunOS5.patch this can happen with
the target ``Makefiles'' in one of the doc directories.

This is really weird. Are your *really* sure that you were using GNU make?


Please explain the why of this. I have over 200k miles usage of clutchless
shift and no problems.


We are doing a research about a passive dynamic vision guided
vehicle.
Completed the first theoric part, we have to make the effective
realization of this vehicle.

We need the necessary hardware for image acquisition from a videocamera
and for their subsequent elaboration (tipically: edge detection).

We ask for informations about available products in the market for
this purpose (in real time, 20-25 frames/second).
Hence we need frame-grabber cards and/or DSP cards for SUN or PC platform.

We are also very interested in receiving comments and suggestions from users
of these cards, especially about programming tools.

Furthermore we are looking for the same kind of informations about
digital controlled Pan&Tilt devices.

Thanks in advance

Best regards
				Enrico Fedrigo


Hi. I would like to know if there is a seperate newgroup for
discussion of MS Test or Quality Assurance issues. Or, if not, what
newsgroup would be the appropriate one to use.

Does compuserve or microsoft themselves have a bbs people can call
for help on such?

Thanks.   Please email response to djw@wang.com

D


Because of the technology apple uses with their 800k disks, IBM PC cant read them without special hardware, 1.44M disks work more alike IBM's so we only can read 1.44 M disks on a PC
	/andy


WOULD WIRETAP CHIP BE COST-EFFECTIVE?

                        by Robin Hanson
                     Draft, April 21, 1993

  SUMMARY: Compared to an average monthly phone bill of sixty dollars,
  wiretaps are only worth two cents a month to police.  So the
  proposed wiretap chip must raise phone costs by less than one part
  in three thousand to be cost-effective.

BACKGROUND

Until now, phones have happened to allow the existence of "wiretaps",
detectors which could pick up conversations on a phone line.  And over
time, law enforcement agencies have come to rely on this capability to
aid in criminal investigations.  However, powerful new encryption
technologies threaten this status quo, by making possible truly
private communication.  A small chip in each phone could soon make it
literally impossible to overhear a conversation without physical
microphones at either end.

In order to preserve the ability of law enforcement agencies to tap
phone conversations, the U.S. government announced on April 16, 1993
that it had developed and begun manufacturing a special "wiretap" chip
to be placed in future phones, instead of the total privacy chips
which have been under private development.  The same day, AT&T
announced it would use these chips "in all its secure telephone
products".

Each chip would be created under government supervision, when it would
be given a fixed indentifier and encryption key.  Periodically during
each conversation, the chip would broadcast its identifier and other
info in a special "law enforcement block".  Law enforcement officers
with a court order could then obtain the key corresponding to the
indentifier from special trust agencies, and could thereby listen in
on any future or previously recorded conversations on that phone.

To date, most concerns voiced about this plan have been about its
security.  The government won't disclose the encryption algorithm, and
many suspect the government will not limit its access in the way it
has claimed.  The track record of previous governments does not
inspire confidence on this point [1].

However, this paper will neglect these concerns, and ask instead
whether this new wiretap chip is a cost-effective tool for police
investigation.  That is, which is a cheaper way for society to
investigate crime: force phone communications to support wiretaps, or
give police agencies more money to investigate crimes in other ways?
Or to put it another way, would police agencies be willing to pay for
each wiretap, if they had to pay their share of the full social cost
of forcing phones to support wiretaps?

To start to answer this question, we might compare the current
benefits wiretaps provide to law enforcement agencies with projected
costs of implementing the new wiretap chip plan.  And since current
benefits are easier to estimate, we begin there.

WIRETAP BENEFITS

1990 is the latest year for which wiretap statistics are available
[2].  In that year, 872 wiretap installations were requested, and no
requests were denied.  (This figure does not include wiretaps obtained
with the consent of a party to the conversation.)  2057 arrests
resulted from wiretaps started the same year, 1486 arrests came from
wiretaps in previous years, and 55% of arrests led to convictions.
76% of the wiretaps were for phones (vs pagers, email, etc.), 60% were
regarding drug offenses, and 40% were requested by federal
authorities.  Each wiretap installation heard an average of 1487
calls, 22% of them incriminating, among 131 people, and cost an
average of $45,125 (extrapolating from the 794 installations
reporting costs), mostly for labor.

Thus a total of about $40 Million was spent on wiretaps, to obtain
about 4000 arrests, at $10,000 per arrest.  Thus these arrests are at
least four times more expensive than the $2500 per arrest figure one
gets by dividing the $28 Billion spent by all police nationally by the
total 11 Million non-traffic arrests [3].  Thus the $30 Million per
year spent on phone taps is only one thousanth of the total police
expenditures.  And if we divide this by the 138 Million phone "access"
lines in the country [3], we get about 23 cents spent per year per
phone line, or about two cents a month.

In general, we deter a given class of criminals through a combination
of a perceived probability of being caught and convicted, and some
expected punishment level if convicted.  So the social value of having
wiretaps is no more than the amount that we would have to pay to get
the same criminal deterrence through other means.  If unable to
wiretap a particular suspect's phone, police might instead use hidden
microphones, or investigate that suspect in other ways.  Or police
might focus on suspects more easily investigated without wiretaps.  Or
we might raise the fine or prison time for certain types of crime.

If we generously assume that these substitutes for wiretaps would be
on average twice as expensive as wiretaps, then the annual social
benefit of phone wiretaps is about equal to the current spending level
of two cents a month per phone line.

WIRETAP COSTS

Let us for the moment optimistically assume that the US government
encryption scheme is as secure as whatever private enterprise would
have offered instead, protecting our conversations from the spying
ears of neighbors, corporations, and governments, both foreign and
domestic.  Even so, the need to support wiretaps would add many
additional costs to build and maintain our communication system.

Extra law enforcement blocks would be added to phone transmissions,
increasing traffic by some unknown percentage.  A special process must
be used to add encryption keys to chips, while securely distributing
these keys to special agencies, which must be funded and monitored.
The chips themselves are designed by a military contractor, whose
design is to remain secret, and are manufactured through a special
process so that the chip becomes nearly impossible to take apart.
(Chips are now offered at the relatively high price of $30 a peice in
lots of 10,000 [4].)  Private encryption systems not supporting
wiretaps would require none of these extra costs.

Perhaps most important, government degree would at least partially
replace private marketplace evolution of standards for how voice is to
be represented, encrypted, and exchanged in our future phones.  It is
widely believed that governments are less efficient than private
enterprise in procuring products and standards, though they may perhaps
perform a useful brokering role when we choose between competing private
standards.  How much less efficient is a matter of debate, some say
they pay twice as much, while others might say only 10% more.

Currently, a total of $96 Billion is spent as operating expenses of
U.S. phone companies [3], which comes out to about $60 per month per
access line.  If we compare this to the wiretap value of two cents per
month, we see that if wiretaps raise average operating costs by even
as much as one part in 3000, then wiretaps are not cost effective!
And this doesn't even include extra costs phone owners pay because
their encryption chips are more expensive.  Of course most phones
wouldn't have encryption chips for a while, but the wiretap benefit
per phone is still the same, so this argument still applies.

CONCLUSION

Given this dramatic difference between the total cost of running the
phone system and the value of wiretaps, we can justify only the
slightest modification of the phone system to accommodate wiretaps.
When the only modification required was to allow investigators in to
attach clips to phone wires, wiretap support may have been reasonable.
But when we consider substantial modification, the burden of proof is
clearly on those proposing such modification to show that the costs
would really be less than the benefits.

If consensus cannot be obtain on this cost/benefit estimate, a
compromise might be to tax phones which do not support wiretaps at a
rate of say five cents per month, a tax payable to police agencies
nationwide to compensate them for their loss of wiretap abilities.

[1] The Invisible Weapon, Oxford Press, ISBN 0-19-506273-6

[2] Report on Applications for Orders Authorizing or Approving the
    Interception of Wire, Oral, or Electronic Communications, 1990,
    Administrative Office of U.S. Courts, Washington, DC 20544.

[3] U.S. Statistical Abstracts, 1992.

[4] Dorothy Denning, "The Clipper Chip: A Technical Summary",
    distributed to sci.crypt newsgroup April 21, 1993.


Otherwise you get NO2 out the back.


genealogical
old

Well, since my wife is (in your gentle term) a "bastard", I can
probably speak with a bit of authority on this. Any "stigma"
associated with children conceived and/or born out of wedlock rests
solely upon the parents--they've committed a sexual transgression for
which they should repent. The child itself has no a priori limitations
on him or her; indeed, the concept of blaming the child for the
parents' sins is one most Mormons would find appalling; note that LDS
theology rejects original sin, as the term is usually defined, and the
subsequent need for infant baptism (cf. Moroni 8 in the Book of
Mormon).  Indeed, LDS doctrine goes one step further and in some cases
holds parents responsible for their children's sins if they have
failed to bring them up properly (cf. D&C 68:25-28; note that this
passage applies it only to members of the LDS Church).

Also note that there is no "big genealogical book in Salt Lake City".
The LDS Church has a massive storage facility in the nearby mountains
containing (on microfilm) vital statistic records (birth, christening,
baptism, marriage, death) gathered from all over the entire world. I
may be misremembering, but I believe they have records for some 2
billion people in that vault. At the same time, the LDS Church is
building up an on-line genealogical database. In neither case is there
some kind of "worthiness screening" as to whether someone can be
entered in. The only potential issue is that of establishing who the
parents were, and that would apply only in the case of the database.
..bruce..

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[The following arrived as a separate posting --clh]

A follow-up to my own follow-up--lest anyone misunderstand, the term
"bastard" is one which I have never in 25 years of LDS Church
membership heard applied, formally or informally, to a child born out
of wedlock, and indeed would (rightly) be considered a vulgar,
offensive term. I would not have echoed the expression in my reply,
except in hopes that the poster would recognize the offensive nature
of the word in the given context. Unfortunately, after posting my
reply, I remembered that subtle points are often lost on the 'net, and
figured I'd better spell it out.  ..bruce..


To avoid paperwork associated with re-certification as a brand new car,
etc. So for ad purposes it's a brand new nameplate, for paperwork it's
still a Stanza.

Spiros


Lori, the regular Penguins poster here on rec.sport.hockey, indicated to me
via e-mail that on the nights that Pirates baseball and Penguins playoff
games coincide, the Pens will be covered on WDVE FM (102.5).


a yes,  but the improvement in  boost orbit to the HST is Significant,
and  that means you can then carry EDO packs  and enough consumables
so the SHuttle mission can go on long enough to also fix the
array tilt motors,  and god knows what else  is going to wear out
on the HST in the next 9 months.


Make sure that the hard disk you want to boot from is set as active (using the
FDISK program that comes with DOS).


I suggest another name change:


Neigh on every day.  Most don't notice.

What do I win?


Just out of curiosity, what else was there to do in this situation?
Wait another 51 days/weeks/months/years???

Was there anything indicating that these children and the other
people were going to get out alive?


Oh yes, the good ol' deutsche Bundespost.  Shortly after moving to Germany,
someone told me that "POST" is an acronym for the "Public Organization for
the Suppression of Technology".  Stimmt, oder?

I miss a lot of things about Germany (yes, including the Bier vending
machines at work that were SUBSIDIZED by the firm), but the phone system
is not one of them.


Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with.
You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on
distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel
that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum
you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to
another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.

I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line,
lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan
to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is
nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in
x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship,
that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel
free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,
the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian
criminal organizations.

x-Soviet Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million
Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide.
You, and those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up.

During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920,
the Armenians through a premeditated and systematic genocide,
tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against
the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and
deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland.

The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance
of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government
and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark
Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford
Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian,
Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General
Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche,
Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis
Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa,
Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel
Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many
others.

J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.

Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
Princeton University.

Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.

Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.

Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
Los Angeles.

Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
Institute, University of Pennsylvania.

Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
University of Illinois.

Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.

Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
Science, City University Graduate School, New York.

John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History,
University of Chicago.

John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
California at Berkeley.

Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.

Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.

Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
at Los Angeles.

Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.

Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.

Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.

Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.

Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.

Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.

Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).

Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.

Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.

James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.

.......so the list goes on and on and on.....

Serdar Argic


I am both new to this news group and to the net.

        I am facinated by the things I have heard about the PGP
encryption program.  Does anybody out there know where I might get a
version of this program that runs under Windows 3.1, MS-Dos, Unix
w/source?  As of this writting I have no UNIX access and am running on a
nifty windows implamentation of uucico.
        Thanks in advance!


Does anyone have recommendations on whether a smart data I/O (print spooler,
digital sampling, etc.) would be better implemented with a DMA chip or a
dedicated microcontroller?  Essentially what I am trying to decide is the best
way to handle moving data from a port with automatic handshaking from or to a
memory area that will be accessible by a main system processor when not in use
by the smart data I/O.

Which DMA or microcontroller chip would be best to use?  Fast, cheap, and easy
to obtain would be nice, but I won't limit my choices to only those that fit
those characteristics.  Even an 8086/8088 (under $5) would do what I want,
but I am sure there is a better alternative -- like a microcontroller with
onchip (E)EPROM.

So I essentially want to hear about all DMA and microcontrollers that are simple
to interface and will move data from one place to another while monitoring a
few I/O lines.


GK>I hear that tires for this car can get really expensive.  I
GK>currently have Goodyear GT+4s that cost the previous owner $500
GK>for four.

Try Eagle GAs, wear better, cost less, lose little handling, and are
quieter.  I'm going to switch to 225s in my next set, with new rims
(Fitti Twists) if I can afford 'em by the time my GAs wear out.

GK>is a whole new ritual for me with that fangled pedal!  Also, I began
GK>to wonder how strong that brake really is.  (Today, I backed out of
GK>parking spot today and started to drive away before I noticed
GK>the glowing brake light.  Oops.)

Mine is strong enough to not let the car move when it's in, even if you're
giving it enough gas to normally move it in 1st.  You might need a brake
adjustment.

GK>The driver's power window creaks when closed all the way.  The same
GK>thing happens in my parents 1989 Mercury Sable.  Oddly, all the
GK>other windows work smoothly.

Watch it closely, the glass actually flexes from the torque in the motor, it
seems stronger in the drivers window then the others.

GK>I'm liking the interior amenities more and more each day.  The
GK>cupholders are great.

I've found the location (under the armrest in between the seats) to be a
pain, but like having them.  They moved it into the dash (pop out) in the
'91 model year, MUCH better.

GK>I really feel like I don't deserve this car.  I really can't
GK>believe that I could afford it.  I got this car ten years
GK>ahead of schedule.  :-)

I did the same thing.  Got a black '89 with 65.5k miles on it for $8k
in July '92.

GK>I've put together the responses to my questions about the cars, as
GK>well as other posts with useful information on these cars.  I'll be
GK>posting this in the form of a FAQ soon.

Grabbed it and archived it.  Thanks!

GK>If anyone is interested in starting a mailing list, please speak up!
GK>I don't know if I have the resources here at Purdue to start one, but
GK>maybe someone out there does.

I'll be starting one this summer, one way or the other (current software
I use dosen't support mailing lists, but is on the RSN list - if not, I'm
going to upgrade to another package that DOES have it), that is, if nobody
else beats me to it.  Will make an announcement here when it goes up.


It has been done, but the other companies don't have the marketing
budgets that MS do.  4DOS, for instance, is everything that
COMMAND.COM should have been (but never could be under MS).  Those who
use it usually find it more addictive than crack cocaine.  But they
have to rely on word of mouth for sales.  It seems to have worked
pretty good so far, but your corporate weenie manager type usually
likes to see a big glossy ad in PC Magazine.  That's okay, marketing
isn't a fundamental human right, but they've got a product that's
superior to the DOS command interpreter in every way.  They have a lot
more to be proud of than MS does.  If MS really gave a damn, they
could duplicate it, buy it outright (they've got the money), or even
use the old ruse of sending engineers out to help them with
compatability issues and absconding with the technology.

DOS is a mediocre product at a cheap price backed up by top notch
marketing and vendor agreements.  The "mediocre" was excusable in the
early days when it was someone else's hack, but they've had ten years
to play with it.

An interesting thought on that: Most MS products that I'm aware of in
the last few years allow you to access the names of the designers and
programmers through easter egg screens, including Windows, or at least
have the names buried in the files.  Is there such a thing in DOS 5.0
and 6.0, or are they too ashamed to have their names on it?


Does anyone know where I can access an online copy of the proposed "jobs"
or "stimulus" legislation?  Please E-mail me directly and if anyone else
is interested, I can post this information.

Thanks,

Mike Brooks

NOTE:  My E-mail address in the news header is NOT correct.  My correct
address is:


There are people who have adapted to high altitudes in the Andes and in
Tibet. I suspect that it took them several generations to make the
adaptation because Europeans had difficulty making the adaptation. They
had to send the women to a lower altitude when they were pregnant in order
to insure sucessful childbirth.

Another factor you should consider is the X-ray opacity of the atmosphere
in case of stellar flares, the uv opacity is also important because uv
radiation can kill or damage microbes, plants, and animals.


I sent a 2400 baud modem to a cousin in Greece from the U.S. and it is
working fine for him. It also worked for me in U.S.

-Jim.


The temp on my 486DX2/66 is over 96C (measured with a K-type thermocouple
and Fluke 55 dig thermometer).  This is an "idle" temp - not doing lots of
bus i/o, not doing floating point, not doing 32-bit protected mode etc.  This
is in a Micron computer, without heatsink.

I recently put a heatsink/fan on the chip, but I might take the fan off.  It
makes a horrible whine at times, and I wonder what the vibration is doing to
the pins on the cpu etc...


: One not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys...

: For our class project, we need to design and build a power supply
: to the following specs:

: Voltatge:  adjustable from 1-12V
: Current:   *limited* at 1A

: Voltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A
: AC ripple less than 5 mV (rms)

To decide which kind of circuit you must know the initialprecission of
the limiter-current and the allowed temp-drift.

In the first case, you can use a Ube of a transistor as a voltage-reference
of about 0.7 VDC with a temp-drift of 2mV/K. In the second case its better
you use a bandgap-ref and a opamp-circuit to detect the maximum-current.
The output of this opamp controlls the outputstage to limit the current.


In <1qvh8tINNsg6@citation.ksu.ksu.edu> yohan@citation.ksu.ksu.edu (Jonathan W

This doesn't seem right.  If I want to kill you, I can because that is what I
decide?

Not really.  If whatever a particular society mandates as ok is ok, there are
always some in the "society" who disagree with the mandates, so which
societal mandates make the standard for morality?
 >>

So what should be the basis? Unfortunately I have to admit to being tied at
least loosely to the "feeling", in that I think we intuitively know some things
to be wrong.  Awfully hard to defend, though.

I might agree here.  Just because certain actions are legal does not make them
"moral".
deficits.

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--- other stuff delete...
If you happen to be running the new msdos 6, you could use multi-
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------------ Temp at Intel, views are my own -----------------------


#|>
#|> #And in that area, what you care about is whether someone is sceptical,
#|> #critical and autonomous on the one hand, or gullible, excitable and
#|> #easily led on the other.
#|>
#|> Indeed I may.  And one may be an atheist and also be gullible, excitable
#|> and easily led.
#|>
#|> #I would say that a tendency to worship tyrants and ideologies indicates
#|> #that a person is easily led.   Whether they have a worship or belief
#|> #in a supernatural hero rather than an earthly one seems to me to be
#|> #beside the point.
#|>
#|> Sure.  But whether or not they are atheists is what we are discussing,
#|> not whether they are easily led.
#
#Not if you show that these hypothetical atheists are gullible, excitable
#and easily led from some concrete cause.   In that case we would also
#have to discuss if that concrete cause, rather than atheism, was the
#factor that caused their subsequent behaviour.

I'm not arguing that atheism causes such behaviour - merely that
it is not relevant to the definition of atheism, which is 'lack of belief in
gods'.


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[This is a response to a request for a Biblical reference about Satan
being a fallen angel.  --clh]

Isaiah 14:12


Are you for real?

People dumb enough to give their money and possessions to a guy who says he's
jesus deserve all they get

Anyway, he killed a few feds

He's not the goddam hero here

He's dead an' i'm happy!!!!!


Funny, the medical examiner today stated that there was no
evidence ONE WAY or ANOTHER that there were bullet wounds --
not a single autopsy has been performed, so all reports are
deemed speculative.  INCLUDING reports that there were NO
bullet wounds.

Before long, I think all the kneejerk conspiracy theorists
are going to start getting pretty pissed off at how easily
they mislead themselves.  Also, pretty disappointed at
being ignored by the coutnry.


 No, it appears he didn't. Well, I think he's on to something here. I
mean the post he responded to (not) did pretty much speak for itself.


Marhaba Nabil,

If we posit two minds in Christ, the mind of the logos and the mind of the
human Jesus, then we must admit two wills.  A mind is not a mind without a
will.  I know this has been dealt with in past Church prnouncements, but there
is a philosophical problem here that should examined.

T. V. Morris argued that the Incarnation can be seen like this:

      _____________
     (Mind of Logos)
     (	 _______   )
     (	(	)  )	Here, the mind of Jesus is circumsribed by God the
     (	( Human	)  )	Son.  God the Son has complete access to the human
     (  ( Mind	)  )	mind but the human mind only has access to the mind
     (	(	)  )	of God the Son when the Son allows access.  This
     (	(_______)  )	explains why Jesus said even he did not know the
     (_____________)	time of the kingdom.

The human will acted in accordance with the divine will according to free
human decision.  But if the human will would have decided differently than
what was intended the divine will would have interceded, but this was never
the case.

He employs some very interesting analogies to support the one person/two mind
theory.  The ideas of a completely healthy version of split personality from
the field of psychology, and the intriguing ideas of being in a dream, seeing
yourself acting, knowing that is you, but also being omniscient.

The one hypostasis would be the unity of the two minds.  Agreed.  But I am
still waiting for Morris and others to respond to the lingering problem of two
minds making two persons.  Christian analytic philosophers are breaking new
ground in explicating the rationality of Theism and the Incarnation.

====================================
Ted Kalivoda (tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu)
University of Georgia, Athens
Institute of Higher Ed.


Well, I got the scores for Sat's games...

AHL PLAYOFF SCORES-- FIRST ROUND	(home team in CAPS)
================================

GAMES PLAYED ON SAT, 4/24
-------------------------
BALTIMORE 3	Binghamton 1
ROCHESTER 3	Utica 2
SPRINGFIELD 4	Providence 3

===================================================================
SERIES STATI (plural of status? :)
----------------------------------
Adirondack defeated CDI, 4-0
Springfield defeated Providence, 4-2
Binghamton tied w/Baltimore, 2-2
Rochester defeated Utica, 4-1
St John's leads Moncton, 3-1
Cape Breton defeated Fredericton, 4-1


: It seems silly, but while I've located things like tgif that can  edit
: gif  files, and various tools to convert to/from gif format, I haven't
: been able to locate a program that just opens a window and displays  a
: gif file in it.  I've looked thru various faq files, also to no avail.
: Is there one lurking about in some  archive?   Nothing  sophisticated;
: just "show the pretty picture"?


No.

No.

No, but...

You can allocate real static data within code segments!
When you need more dynamic memory you can allocate data on the global heap.

You can forget most of what was written about memory management. Under 3.1
you have paged virtual memory. You can lock every block without hampering
the memory manager. You can use far pointer everytime without always Lock/
Unlocking the memory block.

An besides: DLL's are mostly just disguised EXE's, that happen to be called
by another task.

Karl.


	This seems appropriate, somehow...>:-)>
[....]
	Hah!  I have it on the very *best* authority (mine) that Koresh is
whooping it up in a time-share condo in Dallas with Elvis, JFK, and (of course)
J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, who also owns the place and everything else in Texas.
	Look for "koresh" sightings in the Weekly World News and National
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In a previous article, sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohamed.s.sa

Mohamed,

What has he got to say about the carnage and genocide in our own SUDAN?
The two scenarios must be viewed from the same perspective or don't you
think so? well, methinks. no flames intended!!!

oguocha


You forget the obvious! If it is an *authorised* tap then it can be done at
the exchange. If the exchange is *digital* then I suspect that you can
auto-monitor a line and pickup the full link. Therefore syncing a piggyback
modem on the line would not be impossible - I suspect.
--


   I did.  You're mistaken.  NSA's communications intelligence mission is
   strictly against foreign governments.  Here's an excerpt from the enabling
   charter (24 Oct 52, Truman) that should clarify this.  The charter was
   declassified in about Feb 1990 when an FOIA request made it public.
Interesting!  Where can I get the whole thing?

   NSA is not in the standard-setting business, though -- that's why this
   Clipper stuff came from NIST, which I believe is tasked with coming up
   with standards based on their best inputs from other government agencies,
   which would include NSA.

Several of the newspaper reports have made it fairly clear that the
NSA did all the real work.  You can't believe everything you read in
the papers :-), but the package of information the NIST is faxing out
has so little information beyond what's widely known that it sounds
like it's true.


Source: "Adventures in the Near East" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape,
30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages).
(Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

p. 178 (first paragraph)

"In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for
 arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such
 search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures
 had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where
 valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the
 existence, although they had been unable to find them."

Serdar Argic


On a cold, damp night last night at Tiger Stadium, Dave Wells, David Haas, Bob
MacDonald, and Mike Henneman combined for a 3-1 victory over the Texas
Rangers.  Here are the highlights:

            R     H     E
Texas       1     4     1
Detroit     3     5     0

Wells gets the win, he's now 3-0 with an ERA just under 1, and Henneman gets
his third save in three chances.  Ken Rogers started for the Rangers and
gets the loss.  He was relieved by Burns in the 7th.

The Rangers got their only run on a solo home run by Dean Palmer in the 7th.
The Tigers opened the scoring with an RBI single by Fryman in the 3rd, then
took the lead for good in the bottom of the seventh when Whitaker greeted
reliever Burns with an RBI double which scored Tettleton.  Whitaker in turn
crossed the plate on an RBI single by Phillips (who has been red hot) for
the third Tiger run.

This afternoon, it's another battle of southpaws, Bill Krueger for the Tigers
vs. Craig Lefferts for the Rangers.

--Randy


[unrelated text deleted]

I think that Phil needs to get out a ruler and see exactly how big 50mm rounds
are - roughly 2" diameter.  The type of stuff used in Anti-Aircraft gunnery.
.50 calibre is much smaller, but the 3000m effective range (~2mi) sounds about
right. Maybe he just got the two confused..... The FBI's reasoning was sound,
but the note from PH-B was factually wrong.

Tom H.

--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt                                  I'm a diehard Saints fan, so i've    thyat@sdf.lonestar.org                     suffered quite enough, thank you!    Arlington, TX                                                                                Help! I'm being repressed!  -M.Python                                          -------------------------------


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	Did I not hear that there maybe some ports of Real3D Version2
   	in the pipeline somewhere, Possibly Unix. Not too sure though
        please put me straight.


I really disagree with you. But maybe you know better. Here is the
issue at hand:

     'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?'
      (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy),
          "The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi", p. 213.)

 "The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination
  of the Muslim population in Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag,
  Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the
  extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government
  during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."
                  (Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992)

 "Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against
  Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic
  of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan,
  are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide
  perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the
  Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these
  lands."         (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992)

Serdar Argic


	Maryland and other states.

	To the original poster:

	Read the last 3-4 issues of Car And Driver about this.  It's
interesting and should be illegal...


It is also so easy to blame the West for their indiffernce to
real Bosnian suffering.  How about the moslem world, about 1 billion?
How about them ha?  What they are doing to stop this
massacre?  Why the oil rich Arab states make the Bosnian crises
a national interest of the West, especially for Europeans?  We all
know they can do it over night, don't we? Blaming West and asking
why they don't put their life into danger seems to be the choice of
muslims too.  I think who is sleeping is not the West.  They are wide
awake.  They are trying to save the face.


I agree that this should be added to some sort of FAQ list.  But we have
strayed from the original topic.  Our computer environment is pretty split
between Mac's and PC's... I am lucky and get to have both on my desk.  But
there are people who have PC's and need to share data with the Mac users
here.  The MAC users have no problems because of package called DOS Mounter
which AUTOMATICALLy lets the MAC read DOS disks natively.  For the PC there
is no equivilant... that I know of!  Both mac-ette and macsee have been
inconsistant under the dos platform, and requires you to perform the activity
in a DOS program to selectively transport the files.

The question originally posed was if there is such a program that hooks into
windows like a .DLL that will interpret the reading of a MAC disk when it is
in a PC, and allow access to it through the standard file dialogs.  It is quite
clear that this would only be available for the 1.44MB flopies.

-- T.J. Fiske


(Short reply to Kent Sandvik's post remarking how it is strange that
somehow Sufism is related to Islam, as [to him] they seem quite
different.)

If one really understands Islam, it is not strange that Sufism is
associated with it.  In fact, Sufism is (in general) seen as the "inner
dimension" of Islam.

One of the "roots" of the word "Islam" is "submission" -- "Islam"
denotes submission to God.  Sufism is the most complete submission to
God imaginable, in "annihilating" oneself in God.

(I am not a Sufi or on the Sufi path, but have read a lot and recently
have been discussing a number of things with others who are on the Sufi
path.)


I hope that there's somebody out there that can help us.

Some of our students change the AMI bios passwords on a few of our computers
and set it for always. What we'd like to know is if there is a way to bypass
or remove the password. We have tried switching bios, but to no avail. The
battery is soldered to the bord, an all three machines is still under
guarentee so if that would have help we can't remove the batteries.

Thanks Isak
Isak Venter                          ITBIJV@PUKNET.PUK.AC.ZA


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      since it is only a test.
      wow, Montreal just scored to go up
      1 - 0 in game 4 of their series, oh sorry
      I was supposed to ignore this message wasn't I

      bye for now.

      Steve


Well, Michael,  I don't know if clh has left them in the faq  (Maybe you should
post the "how to get there map again), but I posted two or three lengthy
exegetical paper on these verses.  They looked at the OT, NT and
intertestimental usages of terms in reference.  I would suggest you read those
before you talk about a "need" in exegetical studies.  If those aren't enough,
I could also provide "The source and NT Meaning of Apsevokoitai".  Dr James
DeYoung published it in THE MASTERS SEMINARY JOURNAL in fall of '92.  To read
any of these 4 papers shows that the shoe is on the other foot as far as a need
for honest exegesis.

Again, please refer to the faq file, or if you are unable to acess it, drop me
a line and I will enclose them to you.

Rexlex@fnal.fnal.gov


Why should anyone (check: let's restrict this to Christians, why do *we*)
want to find "commandments" in the books regarded as scripture?  What's
going on? I will pass on psychologizing answers (whether dismissive or more
open) as not the kind of issue to deal with here -- the question is what is
the *theological* point involved?  And it has been quoted "at" me often
enough by those who don't believe I take it seriously, that Jesus (is said
to have) said, "If you love me, you will obey my commands."  [John 14:15]

I am, like any Christian, the slave of Christ, and it is my will that I
should do as He wills me to do.  I am (also, or instead) His younger brother,
but still under His direction, though we both call God "Abba."  Christians,
therefore, will try to find what it is that their Lord commands them, and
discovering it will feel obligated to do it, or to confess their failure.
Readers here may set aside the theologizing jargon (such as "slaves of
Christ") -- the point is that adherents of a religion *will* read the texts
(whether classified as "inspired" or not) that are held up as models, in an
effort to find application to their own situations.  This practice ranges
from "devotional" reading of sermons and the like to the exegesis of canon-
ical scripture as "the Word of God."  And at the highest pitch, this leads
to a question of whether we *can* find in inspired scripture something that
can act as "absolute" guidance for our actions.

The problem is in finding out just *what* it is our Lord commands.  I am
going to set aside for this essay one major direction in which Christians
have looked for these commands, namely Christian tradition.  That is not
because *I* reject tradition, but because my primary audience in this essay
is Protestants, who deny tradition a determinative value, in favor of the
witness of Scripture.  The question I want to deal with is, WHAT commandments
can we find from our Lord in Scripture?  And that turns out to be a hard
question.  [ If any of my Protestant Inquisitors would *like* to turn the
discussion to the authority of tradition, I can accomodate them :-), unlike
*most* Protestants, Episcopalians admit claims from a) Scripture b) Reason
and c) Tradition on roughly equal standing. ]

Earlier in John than my quote above, we read [John 13:34] "I give you a new
commandment: love one another."  This is the ONLY place in the NT where
Christians are given an explicit commandment, with the context commenting
on its imperative mode pronouncement by Jesus.  At the same meal [so we
*readers* infer, since it is *not* in John, but in the Synoptics] Jesus
says, "Take this [bread]; this is my body."  [Mark 14:22, cf. Matthew 26:26,
Luke 22:19, 1 Corinthians 11:24]  The mode is imperative (Greek _labete_),
and hence this, too, is a "commandment."

In *both* cases we have to *infer* that the command is directed to a wider
circle than the immediate collocation of disciples -- because we judge the
evangelist's point in mentioning it (with the disciples by then mostly or
entirely dead) is that *we* are expected to follow this as a commandment
from our Lord.  In the case of communion, Paul's mention (at least; this
is probably true of the evangelists also) implies an ongoing ritual liturgy
in which these words operate to "bind" Christians to the original command
to his disciples, as a continuing commandment to the Christian community.

I am entirely comfortable with this inference, but I *must* point out that
it is THERE, between us and the occasion on which Jesus spoke the command.
I take it as a clear inference, at the very least the EVANGELIST'S notion,
that *all* Christians are called to love one another, in Jesus' command
directed at the disciples.  But I have to call attention to the inference.
The command CANNOT apply to me without the generalization from the specific
context of its statement to my own context as a "disciple" of Christ.

All reading of scripture has to make such inferences, to get any sense out
of the text whatsoever.  This is a general problem in reading these texts
-- we cannot read them at all without our *own* understanding of our native
languages in which we (normally) read the (translated) texts, and without
*some* appreciation of the original context (and at points, the original
languages, when English misleads us.) I am going to presume, in what follows,
that we have the *general* problem of how to read scripture under control
[ I don't *really* think this is true, but it will suffice for my current
purposes. ]  I will address ONLY the issues that arise when we have already
coped with the understanding of a 2000 year old text from another world
than the one we live in.  Questions at THAT level only introduce MORE reser-
vations about the commandments issue than will be found stipulating that we
can read the texts as the original audience might have done.

Among the reasons we have for seeing John's _agapate allelou_ as a *general*
commandment (not merely an instruction by Jesus to this disciples on that
one occasion), and one linking it to the Synoptic "Great Commandment" is
that we have criticism, from Jesus, about limiting our love to those whom
we congenially associate with.  In Matthew 5:43ff we read, "You have learnt
say to you: love your enemies."  In fact, the Leviticus context quoted
does NOT say 'hate your enemy' -- it is merely the common human presumption.
(And Leviticus is at pains to say that the "love" should extend to strangers
amongst the people of Israel.)  Luke, in expanding on this same Q context,
goes on to have Jesus say. "Even sinners love those who love them." [6:27]
All of this suggests [quite strongly, I'd say :-)] that *limiting* the
scope of the "new commandment" is not quite what Jesus has in mind.  In
short, inference *leads me* to generalizing the actual text to a command
that is "in force" on Christians, and with objects not limited to other
Christians.

Trickier than the _agapate allelou_ or Institution of communion, there is
the case of the "Great Commission" where (Matthew 10, Mark 6) the Twelve
are sent out to evangelize, "Proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is close
at hand."  The verb is imperative (_ke:russete_), but the context is rather
specific to the Twelve, and there are further specifiers (as in "Do not
turn your steps to pagan territory, and do not enter any Samaritan town"
-- the Lukan parallels are even more specific to Jesus' final journey to
Jerusalem) which make it harder to see this generalizing to all Christians
than the previous examples.  That hasn't prevented Christians from MAKING
such an inference; what I have to call attention to is that such inference
is NOT justified in the text, nor (unlike the first two cases I cite) by
the rhetoric of the evangelist urged on the reader.  Still, Paul seems to
have felt obliged to "proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is close at hand"
even (contrary to Jesus' instructions to the 12 :-)) to the gentiles, to
the ends of the earth.  So, Christians after him have also taken this as
a "commandment" in the sense of John 14:15.  Do I "accept" this?  I don't
know.  It is surely rather speculative.  But you see how the ripples of
inference spread out from the text that is the pretext -- Christians (may)
infer a general commandment, applicable to all, from what is presented in
the gospels as a specific occasion.  I do not (necessarily) object to this
kind of generalization -- but I *insist* that people who make it *must*
have an understanding that they are *reasoning* (at some considerable
length) from what we actually *have* in scripture.  There are *assumptions*
involved in this reasoning, and *these* are *not* themselves scriptural
(though people will do their best to "justify" their assumptions by OTHER
references to scripture -- which simply adds MORE inference into the mix!)

Let's move on to the "Great Commandment" -- that we should love God with
our whole hearts and minds and souls.  This is, perhaps, the Synoptic
"equivalent" of John's _agapate allelou_.  And yet,  it is not PRESENTED
as a commandment, in our texts.  Rather, the context is controversy with
the Pharisees.  To cite Matthew [22:34ff]

	"But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees
	they got together and, to disconcert him, one of them put a question,
	"Master, which is the greatest commandment of the Law?"

It is by no means obvious here (though I accept it as such) that Jesus'
answer is meant to be a commandment *to Christians*.  He is answering a
polemic from his enemies.  [ Mark's account, in  12:28-34 casts the answer
in a far more positive light as (so the "scribe" in this version says)
"far more important than any holocaust (I need to point out that this word
originates in the context of animal sacrifice; forget the Nazis for this)
or sacrifice."  Luke is intermediate -- he has a lawyer posing the question
"to disconcert" Jesus, and gets the Good Samarian parable for his pains
[ Luke 10:25-37 ].  The contexts here are so confusingly various that one
could be forgiven for drawing *no* inferences :-)  In *no* account is this
said as if it were obviously to be taken as a commandment binding on
Christians -- though I think it an entirely reasonable conclusion in each
case that Jesus thinks it to be so.  The point is that our mental gears
HAVE to grind a cycle or so to get to any conclusion from all of this about
what WE are commanded to do, by Jesus.  And all of this is contingent on
our understanding the point of Jesus' use of the Torah in the (all quite
different) gospel accounts, and the application of such a context to *us*.

The different contexts among the Synoptics are curious.  It should be noted
that ONLY in Luke do we get the "fixing" of this command by the parable of
the Good Samaritan.  We may look for an analogous *intent* in Matthew, where
7:12 gives the "Golden Rule" as "the meaning of the Law and the Prophets"
(and where we may also hear an echo of Hillel saying the same, a generation
before Jesus.)  If we make these associations (which I think are entirely
reasonable), we are -- again -- indulging in inference.  The texts do not
*explicitly* support us; rather, we *read* the texts as having this kind of
inter-relationship.  Current literary theory calls this "intertextuality."

My discussion of why the _agapate allelou_ "has" to apply beyond the
community of the disciples, and beyound the circle of Christian believers,
applies again here, to buttress a conclusion that this *is* (despite the
presentation not saying so explicitly) a "commandment" to Christians.
Few Christians would disagree with my conclusions -- but I *must* point
out that they *are* conclusions, they *depend* on rather elaborate chains
of reasoning that are simply NOT present in the texts, themselves.

The contextual problem keeps coming up, more and more severely as we look at
those sayings of Jesus that are NOT so universally taken by Christians as
commandments.  And we get some really hard cases.  Take divorce.  Mark is
pretty clear, "The man who divorces his wife and marries another is guilty
of adultery against her."  [ 10:11, cf. Luke 16:18 ] -- except that Matthew
has an escape clause [ "except in the case of fornication", 5:31 ]. This
seems to be a rather clear "commandment" (whether or not we take Matthew's
reservation); and some Christians, to this day, take it so.  But some don't,
at least in practice.  This is rather peculiar; it is not as if Jesus were
not explicit about this (whereas He says nothing at all about some of the
things people gnash their teeth over.)  How is it possible, if the commands
of Christ are clear, that Matthew can so disagree with the other evangelists
of the synoptic tradition?

I'm going to continue this examination, into ever-murkier waters, but this
is enough to start with.  The theme is: "finding commandments in scripture
is an exercise in inference; our inferences are informed by OUR assumptions,
that is, our own cultural biases."  I have, so far, identified a very few
"commandments" that are generally accepted by all Christians -- and yet in
these, already, some of the difficulties start to surface.  It is these
difficulties I want to discuss in my next essay on this topic.  The divorce
commandment already strikes at some of the difficulties: I see almost no
evidence that the people who are so eager to find commandments to condemn
*me* with, spend any time at all writing nasty screeds to soc.couples or
misc.legal about the horrors or viciousness of divorce, or demanding that
US law refuse to allow it, or refuse "unrepentant divorcees" places in
their churches.  [ That is not to say that divorce *doesn't* enter into
consideration in general -- it is most definitely a matter of concern, in
even the most "liberal" church circles.  For example, a (wildly) liberal
Episcopalian priest of my aqauintence, in a (wildly) liberal diocese, has
recommended to a couple who approached him to marry them that they have a
"private" secular ceremony before a judge, so that the "public" ceremony
he celebrated need not go through an agonizing "examination" by officials
who would just as soon NOT take on this role of interpreting the commands
we are faced with as Christians.  This, in a church that was effectively
CREATED by a famous divorce! ]


Much of the dispute about the origin of the fire that destroyed the
BD compound could be settled by examining the propane tank supposedly
crushed by one of the army tanks when they breached the walls of the
compound. If the the propane tank is flattened and has tread marks on it,
then the BD's version of the cause of the fire would seem to be
verified.

--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>


Finding a disk array that can do 180MB/sec. will be difficult. The fastest
ones I know about are from Maximum Strategy (IBM also sells these). They
can attach HiPPI at up to 144 MB/sec. (64 bit). For these kinds of data
rates you need more than SCSI for connections. Their latest model, the
RAID 5 model Gen 4 only does 90 MB/sec. but I think this may be a
limitation only of the HiPPI channel and that customer needs have not
exceeded that speed since their older model was faster. They are also not
idle (must be working on newer products that might be faster) and are a
small company so you might be able to ask about custom interfaces. They
still marketed the older, faster model as of a few mongths ago.

Maximum Strategy, Inc.
801 Buckeye Court
Milpitas, CA 95035-7408
sales@maxstrat.com

You might still want to look into compression as it will be very difficult
to keep the HiPPI bus fully working at all times - sustained throughput
might come close to maximum burst rate.

Interesting problem. Tell us more if you can?


There is a contradiction related to the moral issue of polygamy in the
Mormon writings.  In the book in the book of Mormon called the book of
Jacob, Joseph Smith wrote that it was an abomination to God for
David and Solomon to have many wives.  Later, when Joseph Smith wrote
the Doctrines and Covenants (possibly when polygamy was becoming an
issue in his personal life) he wrote that it was not an abomination for
David to have many wives.  How do Mormons answer this contradiction?


No, no, no!  The previous one was called "Smiley".  1992 QB1 = Smiley,
and 1993 FW = Karla.

Note that neither name is official.  It seems the discoverers have an
aversion to the designation scheme.


As long as we're bashing typography...

Yes, UNIX is case-dependent. :-)


If you were able to prove that morality is objective, then it would
be correct to do so. The problem is, by the very meaning of the
words in question, to do so is oxymoronic. Of course you could
redefine the words, but that would still not lend support to the
underlying concept.

This does not parse. How could you hardly be wrong without dragging
in the o-word?

I have no problem with objectivity at all. It is my objectivity that
has led me to conclude that morality is subjective.


..that's what I thought, that's why I never used emm386.exe before.


Are there any members of conservative, religious, politically active groups
(such as the Christian Coalition) out there?  I come from a very liberal
background, and I'd like to talk to some conservative people out there in a
public forum (such as this one.)  I frankly can't understand the rationale or
Christian basis for much of the conservative position, and I'd like to try and
learn more about this movement--after all, we're part of the same church.  Is
anyone interested in explaining a bit about the conservative viewpoint?
  Thanks.


AE is in Dallas...try 214/241-6060 or 214/241-0055.  Tech support may be on
their own line, but one of these should get you started.


Has he realised yet....or are you hoping to fix it before he does ?

If you're planning to use T-Cut...BE CAREFUL. Sunlight fades paint and T-Cut removes the surface layer, so if its a older bike or very sunny where
you live then the colour of the T-cut panel wont match the rest of the bike.

-Bob

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The clipper chip's User key is formed by:

           R1 = E[D[E[N1;S1];S2];S1]
           R2 = E[D[E[N2;S1];S2];S1]
           R3 = E[D[E[N3;S1];S2];S1]

   Why is the triple-encrytion used?  Is it just to gain an effective
increase in keyspace to defeat a potential keysearch?  (If so, why use
80 bit keys?)  Not knowing anything about the Skipjack algorithm, it's
not really possible to guess whether this makes it harder or easier to
guess S1,S2.

   Why are N1, N2, and N3 formed as they are?  It would be facinating to
see the Skipjack algorithm, to look for ways of attacking it that require
three ciphertext blocks formed in that odd way.

   Where do the 34-bit constant values that are concatenated with the
serial number to form N1,N2,N3 come from?  Are they changed from chip to
chip, or session to session?  (Even if they're published in the NY Times,
if SkipJack is resistant to known-plaintext attacks, when using triple-
encryption, then there's no break in security.  But why allow that kind
of weird format?  If those three 34-bit values are truly-random bits, then
maybe it's used to ensure that a known-plaintext attack on SkipJack, if
it exists, can't be easily used to derive S1 and S2 for a whole production
run of these chips....)

   Does Dorothy Denning read this group?  If not, is someone on the group
forwarding questions like these to her, or Martin Hellman, or anyone else
who's seen more details about the chip?


From mikefran Wed Apr 21 11:08:28 EDT 1993
Article: 56 of csc.general
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Path: wam.umd.edu!mikefran
From: mikefran@wam.umd.edu (Michael Francis)
Subject: Car for Sale
Message-ID: <1993Apr21.142729.7039@wam.umd.edu>
Keywords: 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco
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Distribution: csc,um,dc
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:27:29 GMT

1981 Volkswagon Scirocco

   Gold exterior and interior
   5 speed transmission
   AM/FM Stereo with cassette
   Sunroof
   Engine in good condition
   New Tires
   Needs $300 work on front left control arm because of damage caused by
     pothole.
   Runs well
   Asking $800.00  AS IS / OBO.


I suppose you don't know what about we have discussed.
We discussed about error(s) in XV 2.21 which shows images only as 8bit,
and my suggestion above works perfectly with it.

So far I have seen a colormap editing window in XV -- that is, there
must be a colormap anyway. The problems you present are exist anyway,
and I didn't tried to solve them at all, because I would not make such
problems to my programs in the first place.

Gamma and color corrections are easily done to 24bit image
as I presented. There's no need make tricks from 8bit/quantized image
back to 24 bit image.

Ok, you're writing about situation that user want edit images as 24bit
and user want edit individual colors -- your questions, by the way,
jumps off the discussion a bit.

My solution doesn't work, because there's no colormap withing real 24bit
image -- you see, user see 24bit image; going back to 8bit is silly.

About changing individual colors in 8bit/quantized/rasterized image:
changing individual colors in colormap is useless in most
cases if the image is quantized and rasterized -- small change may
make serious errors to anywhere in the image.
XV allows this feature, but I don't recommend to use it with the
mentioned type images.

Moreover, XV is not a paint program; you can only make those global
changes. In full 24bit XV, changing individual colors sounds like
paint program job.
If person have 8bit screen, there's need for tricks to get the
original 24bit image modified. Because user don't see full 24bit
image, there's need to make approximations and it is not possible to
modify individual colors but individual pixels or pixel groups (if
image is rasterized). To select indiavidual color, there could be 7x7
cursor window which shows true color image in cursor window area --
selecting individual color is possible from that.

Ok, I don't have thought very much 24bit painting programs, never seen
such in good view and are not planned to make such. Not to mention
24bit painting program in 8bit screen...

It saved 8bit/quantized/rasterized images as 24bit jpegs; jpeg is not
designed for that.
Also, human expect that 24bit will be saved as 24bit image; say,
person would like to crop part of the image and save it, then it is
expected that the image still is the same. So, XV were designed
without thinking about human interface and how human expect the
program work -- design error.

I have heard XV were designed first for 8bit images/files, but
it were not good idea to take full 24bit images without making
major change to the original design.

So, even all screen images are 8bit, the processed images and saved
images could have been 24bit very easily, instead of 8bit.

Before anybody will make a note: yes, I may as well make a lift where
'up' means that the lift goes down and 'down' means that the lift goes
up, and put a note on this design solution to the manuals -- however,
even the manuals tells the correct situation, it doesn't solve the problem.
(Americans: the lift is just an example :)

Well, my text may be a bit hard reading, hopefully you suggeeded to
read it.


I would gladly spend twice the money for insurance, rather than using
Geico.  Not only do they supply radar guns to the police they also want
to make radar detectors illegal.  They also ask if you have a detector
(probably to put you in a high risk group or just refuse to insure you).

I know a few people who were droped by geico due to an accident that
was not their fault.


Greetings,

	I am looking to upgrade my hard drive to a much bigger
one since I find myself kinda cramped on space, althuogh I have never filled
it I would like the extra comfort of 30 megs or so.  If anyone would like
to sell/trade a newish 80 meg or bigger hard drive for 125 straight and
75 with a trade please e-mail me back at johng2matt.ksu.ksu.edu
with an offer.  I would also sell my hard drive for about 60$ if you
really want it.  it's a 42MB western digital IDE.  Other than that I am not
sure what the transfer rate is, but it is pretty fast. faster than my
roommates teac drive.  I have addstor running on it now and have had it
for about 5 months.  I have *never* had a problem with it and would guarantee
it works upon deliveree.  Thanks

			John


NY Islanders                     1 1 2 0 1--5
Washington                       0 2 2 0 0--4
First period
     1, NY Islanders, Turgeon 1 (King, Thomas) 13:14.
Second period
     2, Washington, Hunter 3 (Johansson, Miller) 6:33.
     3, NY Islanders, Turgeon 2 (Thomas, Vaske) 12:36.
     4, Washington, Hunter 4 (Johansson, Carpenter) pp, 16:51.
Third period
     5, NY Islanders, Hogue 1 (unassisted) 3:31.
     6, Washington, Khristich 2 (Cavallini, Bondra) 7:16.
     7, NY Islanders, Ferraro 2 (Flatley, Hogue) 14:50.
     8, Washington, Hunter 5 (Johansson, Khristich) pp, 19:57.
First overtime
     No scoring.
Second overtime
     9, NY Islanders, Mullen 1 (Ferraro, Flatley) 14:50.

NY Islanders: 5    Power play: 5-0
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Ferraro            1    1    2
Flatley            0    2    2
Hogue              1    1    2
King               0    1    1
Mullen             1    0    1
Thomas             0    2    2
Turgeon            2    0    2
Vaske              0    1    1

Washington: 4    Power play: 5-2
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Bondra             0    1    1
Carpenter          0    1    1
Cavallini          0    1    1
Hunter             3    0    3
Johansson          0    3    3
Khristich          1    1    2
Miller             0    1    1

-----------------------------------------
Montreal                         0 0 1--1
Quebec                           3 0 1--4
First period
     1, Quebec, Leschyshyn 1 (Kamensky, Sakic) pp, 4:19.
     2, Quebec, Young 2 (Lapointe) 11:41.
     3, Quebec, Young 3 (Lapointe, Duchesne) 13:56.
Second period
     No scoring.
Third period
     4, Montreal, Bellows 2 (Odelein) 11:05.
     5, Quebec, Lapointe 1 (Ricci) en, 19:23.

Quebec: 4    Power play: 2-1   Special goals:  pp: 1  en: 1  Total: 2
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Duchesne           0    1    1
Kamensky           0    1    1
Lapointe           1    2    3
Leschyshyn         1    0    1
Ricci              0    1    1
Sakic              0    1    1
Young              2    0    2

Montreal: 1    Power play: 1-0
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Bellows            1    0    1
Odelein            0    1    1

-----------------------------------------
New Jersey                       0 0 0--0
Pittsburgh                       2 4 1--7
First period
     1, Pittsburgh, McEachern 1 (Francis, Taglianetti) 15:09.
     2, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 3 (Samuelsson, Barrasso) sh, 17:41.
Second period
     3, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 2 (Stevens, Samuelsson) 3:48.
     4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 2 (Francis, Ramsey) 12:39.
     5, Pittsburgh, Stevens 1 (Francis, Murphy) pp, 15:43.
     6, Pittsburgh, McEachern 2 (Daniels, Mullen) 16:56.
Third period
     7, Pittsburgh, Mullen 1 (Francis, Barrasso) 17:42.

Pittsburgh: 7    Power play: 4-1   Special goals:  pp: 1  sh: 1  Total: 2
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Barrasso           0    2    2
Daniels            0    1    1
Francis            0    4    4
Jagr               1    0    1
Lemieux            1    0    1
McEachern          2    0    2
Mullen             1    1    2
Murphy             0    1    1
Ramsey             0    1    1
Samuelsson         0    2    2
Stevens            1    1    2
Taglianetti        0    1    1
Tocchet            1    0    1

New Jersey: 0    Power play: 5-0
No scoring

-----------------------------------------
Buffalo                          2 1 1--4
Boston                           0 0 0--0
First period
     1, Buffalo, Presley 1 (unassisted) sh, 4:27.
     2, Buffalo, Wood 1 (Moller, Sweeney) pp, 8:07.
Second period
     3, Buffalo, Mogilny 3 (Lafontaine) 5:03.
Third period
     4, Buffalo, Hawerchuk 1 (Carney, Smehlik) pp, 14:48.

Buffalo: 4    Power play: 4-2   Special goals:  pp: 2  sh: 1  Total: 3
Scorer            G    A   Pts
---------------  ---  ---  ---
Carney             0    1    1
Hawerchuk          1    0    1
Lafontaine         0    1    1
Mogilny            1    0    1
Moller             0    1    1
Presley            1    0    1
Smehlik            0    1    1
Sweeney            0    1    1
Wood               1    0    1

Boston: 0    Power play: 5-0
No scoring


Which bus???

I think there are several reasons :-

50MHz motherboards are harder to get right
50MHz need a fast L2 cache - 12-15ns is a good idea
50MHz needs to be slowed down to make a compliant VESA bus
66MHz DX2 chips are faster for a lot of things

With a good, fast L2 cache a DX2/66 is going be be faster than a DX50...

What do I have?

A DX50 of course!

Guy


Hello.

  The last issue of Electronics world describes Ranger 2.0 a PCB CAD program.
According to the article there is a crippled version available as shareware,
does anybody know of any FTP sites/BBSes where this program may be found?

Thanks in advance.


Whoa!  Watch your terminology.  "Dealer invoice" is *not* "dealer cost".
You'll hear lots of ads screaming "two dollars over dealer invoice!!!"
Sounds like a real deal, huh?  No.  You know what the "dealer invoice"
(also called factory invoice) is?  It's a piece of paper with numbers
on it that the factory sends the dealer.  What do the numbers
signify?  Absolutely nothing.  It's a marketing gimmick that the
salesman can wave in your face to impress you.  Note that nowhere
on the "invoice" does it claim to be the real price of the car, and
most ads which mention dealer invoice will end with a very fast,
low voice saying something like "invoice may not reflect actual
dealer cost".  Actually, I *guarantee* it does not reflect actual
dealer cost.


From article <1993May15.091822.14174@lth.se>, by knut@tts.lth.se (Ake Knutsson):

  Put ProgMan (with the hotkey) in your StartUp -group. Should do it.


# ## Ahh, what's good for the goose is not necessarily what's good for
# ## the gander.  You don't want homosexuals to impose their moral codes
# ## (such diabolical ideas as equal rights) on you, yet you are willing
# ## to impose your moral codes on them.  Do I detect a double standard?
# ##
# ## -garison
#
# #What do you mean?  If adults want to get together for sodomy in
# #private, that's their business.
#
# And that's precisely what they do.  So what's your problem with the queer
# population, boyo?  The only difference between us is what we do in
# private--who we love.
#
# ----bi    Andrew D. Simchik					SCHNOPIA!

Do it in private, and it won't be a problem.  But the reason that
the homosexual activists are so hot on antidiscrimination laws is
that they want:

1. To be able to wear that lovely chiffon evening gown to work, and
not have people get disgusted;

2. To be able to wear their NAMBLA T-shirt and not worry about
getting fired;

3. To be able to have access to young boys, so that they start
making the next generation of homosexuals.

If your right to privacy is what makes sodomy laws unconstitutional
(a position that I agree with), then keep it private, and there
won't be a problem.


        I read on the BBS a while back thats a BBS may be started for
        Gateway2000. Did a BBS start, and if it did, would you let me
        know the newsgroup name. Please send information by e-mail.
        My e-mail address is joe_west@lds.loral.com. Thanks...joe west.


Appsoft Image is available for NeXTStep. It is a image processing program
similar to Adobe Photoshop. It is reviewed in the April '93 issue of
Publish! Magazine.


THe origional bit is missing but long/short follows:

    The origional poster asked if he/she could use any old vga/svga
monitor with a centris (hence title).

    The answer ot this question is an unqualified yes.  You can use any
old vga/svga monitor with a centris.  You do need an adaptor (I use a
Mac vga-q from james engineering (510) 525-7350) to run between the two
machines.  THe adaptor I have mentioned will convert a centris to a
three row vga/svga 25(?) pin adaptor for your monitor.

    NOW, the special interest disclaimer.
 The above answer is correct for using a vga monitor at 600x400
resolution.  IF your monitor will sync to 56Khz horizontal the above
adaptor will allow you to choose 800x600 resolution (I prefer this on my
1604s).

THen You have the question of matching adaptors and sync rates.  I would
advocate calling James engineering because they seem to have a clue.  As
to the comment by the person who said don't bother calling Apple because
they will treat you like an idiot this is totally untrue.
    APPLE WILL TREAT YOU LIKE A F**KING ASSANINE IDIOT FOR EVEN
CONSIDERING GOING THIRD PARTY AND IF YOU WANT THIS TREATMENT WANTS YOU
TO PAY FOR THEIR THECH SUPPORT LINE (the supposedly compitantly one) AND
THEN STILL HAS NO FU***** CLUE.

personal experience.  also the tech suppport for the vga monitor makers
doesn't see to extend to Macs (Sony, Magnavox).  In addition to this to
find out the info you will have to call dealers unless you can find the
sync rates elsewhere as ads like Hardware that fits
(*&^%&%^%$$(&**&^(%&%^$!) that rate monitor resolutions give the most
favorable rating (which usually means you can get this if you use a
specialized application video card).(i.e. "well you can get a resolution
1168x832 on this $5,  9" "super smelly sock" monitor that will let you
display TWO FULL PAGES side by side.  All you need is our reasonably
priced "oder eater" video board for $27,000 and it will give you an
ultra fast horizontal sync rate of SIX fast kilohertz and three Khz
vertical.")

Note:  with the sony 1604 at least on the centris 610 built in video
board using an 832x624 adaptor, there is a boarder of an inch + to the
sides of the image after adjusting the horizontal width as favorably as
possible.  Using a 800x600 adaptor this can be reduced to about half an
inch.


"Silver Dream Racer" -- Frustrated Brit club racer's buddy dies,
leaving him a built-in-garage "revolutionary, experimental" 500 GP bike.
Brit club racer uses machine to beat Bad American on Bad Japanese
Factory Bike at British GP.  Filmed at Silverstone, I believe.  Pretty
bad.

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	[...details of US built chemical plant at Al Alteer near Baghdad...]
: However, the plant's intended use was to aid the Iraqi infrastructure.
: It is not an example of selling a weapon.  May sound nitpicking,
: but are we going to refuse to sell valuable parts that build the
: infrastructure because of dual use technology?

	I am contending that in this case (and in the case of the sale
of pesticides by UK companies) that they knew full well that it was to
be used for the production of chemical weapons even if that was not its
officially stated purpose.

: I personally don't think that letting Iran conquer Iraq would have been a
: good thing.

	For that matter, neither do I (for the reasons you state). It is the
hypocrisy and claims the US did not help Iraq that make me angry, plus the
fact that the USA seems to believe it has the *right* to interfere where
is sees fit (i.e. has an interest) rather than a *duty* to intervene where
it is required. This is demonstrated by the failure of the US to do anything
about East Timor (and the region *is* becoming destabilised). The USA might
have done something approaching the right thing, given my reservations about
the uncessary number of civillian casualites, but for wholly the wrong reasons
and after having a hand in creating the situation.

: That in no way would affect the US later military action against Iraq.

	I did not suggest it would and it would be ridiculous to assert
otherwise. I was simply indicating the USA has previously aided Iraq.

: Intel on manufacturing techniques, or something of that nature?

	No, apparently data (orginally from satellites although I doubt
that Iraq would have been given the raw data) concerning troop concentrations.


Hi.

I'm wonderring if it is possible to replace a single module, as XKeybind.o
in a shared library, as libX11.so in Suns OpenWindows. I tried to RTFM, but
I didn't get any wiser that way. Also, can I do the same on an RS6000 machine
running 3.2.2 (if it is possible at all). I know how to do it with real
libraries (ar). I am trying to replace XLookupString in the delivered
libraries, with another that does a few special things.

/Per
--


i think you got it the other way round: the Ferrari flat 12 is a 180
degree v12 and not a "true" boxer, while the subaru and porsche are
true boxers.  don't know about the vw bug though, but i suspect that
it is also a true boxer.


Ah, those poor genocide apologists. Such quaintly charming habits of the
Armenian barbarism and fascism. No swinging of lies will be enough to cover
up the crimes of the x-Soviet Armenian Government. Not a chance. Now let
the Kurdish scholars speak for themselves.

Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.

 "When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster
  of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular
  Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of
  these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer.
  These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more
  than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in
  the eastern vilayets of Turkey."

Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918).
The French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens
sur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.
Turkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,
1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,
1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -
Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83
(December 1983), document numbered 1881.
"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....," Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document
 numbered 1869.

"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning
 with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken
 in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army
 withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian
 massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked
 in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places
 selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs
 were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after
 being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part
 of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the
 cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering
 from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived
 in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.
 Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not
 exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in
 Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything
 that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them
 in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting
 on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages
 left behind after their occupation of this area."

Source: "Adventures in the Near East" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape,
30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages).
(Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

p. 184 (second paragraph)

 "I had received further very definite information of horrors that
  had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as
  I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their
  treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from
  Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not
  be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their
  troops being without discipline and not under effective control,
  atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should
  with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."

p. 177 (third paragraph)

 "Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the
  Moslem villages in the plain...."

 "Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile constantly arriving from the
  plain, from which the whole Moslem population was fleeing with as much of
  their personal property as they could transport, seeking to obtain security
  and protection..."

p. 178 (first paragraph)

 "In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched
  for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of
  such search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible
  tortures had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as
  to where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware
  of the existence, although they had been unable to find them."

p. 181 (first paragraph)

 "the Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish line with
  artillery, with probably a large force in support."

p. 175 (first paragraph)

 "The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement
  that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the
  Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the
  British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation
  commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced
  the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the
  pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms.
  In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able
  to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will
  be referred to in due course."

Serdar Argic


The IBM XGA SVGA VESA driver is on the 2.02 reference diskette, available
from the IBM BBS.  It's also on Compu$erve, or you can bang on your sales
rep to get you a later version.


It seems that Egypt is only interested in fighting wars against its own
people, while objecting to any steps for Bosnia.. I am not surprised,
WHo said that Mubarak represents Egypt (Hell he does not even represent
all the criminals of Egypt)

....

Thanks Saudia for the pocket change.
Compare that to the "Liberation of Q8" and to what they gave to some
weird causes.. O.K at least they are paying.

Mr. Amr Moussa was not worried about International law when he tortured
to death  many of his citizens and when he shot people praying in a Mosque,
or when he is causing trouble to his neighbor just becasue the CIA says so.
Why doesn't he just shut up, he won't be involved in any Bosnian effort
anyway, or does the west have to be represented even in an Islamic conference?

The more I hear about the Egyptian regime, the more I understand the
existence of the "Jamaa Islamiyah" there. After all most of its members
and leaders are former and current victims of government torture, injustice,
or relatives of victims. In some other places they get psychiatric care AND
revenge in the COURTS. But all they got is more of the same resulting  in a
cycle of madness that is initiated by the government with the illicit support
of the west who is more concerned about the safety of half naked tourists in
conservative neighborhoods than the dignity, social justice, and safety of the
majority of the poor oppressed people of Egypt. Enough said.


o Kenwood Audiophile Cassette Tape Deck
  Asking $199.00 obo + shipping, (original price I paid - $450.00),
  excellent condition, well maintained, rarely used.

  - Model KX-900
  - Kenwood Audiophile Series (Kenwood highend stereo component)
  - Programmable playback with Memory System (used to program the playback
    order if selection.  Program is stored in RAM (Random Access Memory)
    System with digital display of the song # being played)
  - Counter Memory Index (when this mode is selected, count '000' of the
    Tape Counter can be stored in memory.  This function is useful when it
    is necessary to stop of restart the tape at '000' during fast forward
    or rewind.
  - Search Mode (Searching for a selection, skipping a selection or
    repeating a selection can be preformed at a touch.)
  - Time stand by switch (this is used along with an audio timer when an
    unattended timer-recording or timer-playback is performed.)
  - Dolby NR with MPX filter
  - Bias adjustment (used to obtain optimum bias that matches the type of
    type to be played)
  - Tape selector switch (CrO2, FeCr, Normal, Metal)
  - REC MUTE key (When recording, press this key to delete undesired portions
    between programs such as announcements and commercials. When this key
    is pressed, the tape runs forwards for 5 seconds to make an unrecorded
    section, then the PAUSE function automatically stops the tape.  To
    restart recording, press PAUSE key once.)
  - Flurescent PEAK PROGRAM METERS
  - Rec level controls
  - Phone Jack
  - Mic Jacks
  - Input Selector switch
  - SPECS: