I just heard on CNN that the Texas Rangers found an M60 machine gun
in the BD compound Rubble.  The newscaster called this a new hi-tech
military weapon!  HA HA!!  I would bet that it is that Rock Armory
M60 semi-auto, or that it was leagally owned and the tax was paid.

What year was the M60 patented?


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I'm using a QIC-compatible 250MB streamer, and I really like it.
But now a terrible typo in an archive description drives me mad ervery time.
Is there any software which can rename, or even better, delete such archives?
Any help really appreciated.


Why can't he record it legally?  It may not be admissable in court, but
recording for personal use is legal.  If he wants to play it for his ham
friend, that's legal too, as long as he doesn't charge admission.

Here, Here!

It doesn't actually have to be 1500 watts at 100 feet.  I've heard radio
transmissions from concert security over guitar amps with no guitar plugged
in, and security uses radios transmitting 2-5 watts into a rubber duck antenna,
which acts more like a dummy load than an antenna.

Hey Bill, where were you three weeks ago when all this stuff was posted
and dealt with?


Sounds a little odd but I sold an Amiga hand scanner to
an elementary school teacher in south Florida (Miami, I
think) but I have just recently found that I still have
the scanner manual.  The original shipment included the
software manual, disks, packaging, etc.

Basically, I have since lost the name & address of the
person I  sold it to...and I would like to get it to him.

If that person sees this, please send me an email to:

dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil

thanx, and sorry for taking up net space.


    Yes, so?  You still haven't explained why they
    can't be used to enforce Civil Law.  They certainly
    would have done a better job of Koresh.  Just call
    in an air strike.


It sorta depends on what you drive. I remember running a two channel
Motorola with a vibrator power supply and about 40 tubes in a 1958
Volkwagen. The poor little 6 V generator had a heck of a time, and if you
keyed the mic at night, you needed to be stationary, because your lights
got AWFUL DIM. Isn't progress wonderful?


The following statement was released
on February 27,1992 by the Science &
Environmental Policy Project

As independent scientists researching atmosphere and climate problems, we are
concerned by the agenda for UNCED, the United Nations Conference on
Environment and Development, being developed by environmental and  activists
groups and certain political leaders. This so called "Earth Summit" is
scheduled to convene in  Brazil in June 1992 and aims to impose a system of
global envionmental regulations, including onerous taxes on energy fuels, on
the population of the United States and other industrialized nations.
Such policy initiatives derive from highly uncetain scientific theories. They
are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming
follows from the burning of fossill fuels and requires immediate action. We
do not agree.
A survey of U.S. Atmospheric scientists, conducted in the summer of 1991,
confirms that there is  no consesensus about the cause of the slight warming
observed during the past century. A recently published research paper even
suggests sunspot variability (which is directly proportional to solar
activity),  rather  than a rise in greenhouse gases is responsible for the
global temperature increases and decreases recoded since about 1880.
Futhermore, the majority of scientific participants in the survey agreed that
the theoretical climate climate models used to predict a future warming
cannot be relied upon and are not validated by the existing climate record.
Yet all predictions are based on such theoretical models.
Finally, agriculturalits generally agree that any increase in carbon dioxide
levels from fossil fuels burning has beneficial effects on most crops and on
world food supply.
We are disturbed that activists, anxious to stop energy and economic growth,
are pushing ahead with drastic policies without taking notice of recent
changes in the underlying science. We fear that the rush to impose global
regulations will have catastrophic impacts on the world economy, on jobs,
standards of living, and health care, with the most severe consequences
falling on developing countries and the  poor.
David B. Aubrey, PhD, Senior Scintist, Woods  Hole Oceanographic Institute.
Nathaniel B. Guttman, PhD, Research Physical Scientist, National Climatic
Data Center. Hugh B. Ellsaesser, PhD, Meteorologist, Lawerence Livermore
National Laboratory. Richard Lindzen, PhD, Center for Meteorology and
Physical Meteorolgy, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Robert C.
Balling, PhD, Director, Laboratory of Climatology, Arizona State University.
Patrick Micheals, PhD, Assoc. Professor of Environmental Sciences,
Universityy of Virginia. Roger Pielke, PhD, Professor of Atmospheric Science,
Colorado State University. Micheal Garstang, PhD, Professor of Meteorology,
University of Virginia. Sherwood P. Idso, PhD, Research Physicist, U.S. Water
Conservation Laboratory.
Lev S. Gandin PhD, Visiting Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric
Research. John A. McGinley, Chief, Forecast Research group, Forecast Systems
Laboratory, NOAA. H. Jean Thiebaux, PhD, Research Scientist, National
Meterological Center, National Weather Service, NOAA. Kenneth V. Beard, PhD,
Professor of Atmospheric Physics, University of Illinois. Paul W. Mielke, Jr.
PhD, Professor, Department of Statistics, Colorado State University. Thomas
Lockhart, Meteorological Standards Institute.
Peter F. Giddings, Meterologist, Weather Service Director. Hazen A. bedke,
Meteoroligist, Former Regional Director, National Weather Service.

Gabriel T. Csanady, PhD, Eminent Professor, Old Dominion University. Roy
Leep, Executive Weather Director, Gillet Weather Data Services. Terrance J.
Clark, Meteorologist, U.S. Air Force. Neil L. Frank, PhD, Meteorologist,
National Weather service. Bruce A. Boe, PhD, Director, North Dakota
Atmospheric Resource Board. Andrew Detweiler, PhD, Assoc. Professor,
Institute of Atmospheric Sciences, South Dakota School of Mines And
Technology.
Robert M. Cunningham, Consulting Meteorologist, Fellow, American
Meteorological Society. Stephen R. Hanna, PhD, Sigma Research Corporation,
Elliot Abrams, Meteoroligist, Senior Vice President, AccuWeather, Inc.
William E. Reifsnyder, PhD, Consulting Meteorologist, professor Emeritus,
Forest Meteorology, Yale University. David W. Reylnolds, Research
meteorologist. Jerry A. Williams, Meteorologist, President, Ocean Routes,
Inc.
Lee W. Eddington, Meteorologist, Geophysics Division, Pacific Missile test
Center.Werner A Braum, PhD, Former Dean, College of Arts & Sciences, Florida
State University.David P. Rodgers, PhD, Assoc. Professor of Research
Oceanography, Scripps Institution of Oceanograghy. Brian Fiedler, PhD, Asst
professor of Meteorology, University of Oaklahoma.
Edward A. Brandes, Meterologist. Melvyn Shapiro, Chief of Meteorological
Research Wave Propagation Laboratory, NOAA. Joesph Zabransky, Jr., Associate
professor of Meteorology, Plymouth State College. James A. Moore, Project
Manager, Research Applications program, national Center for Atmospheric
Research. Daniel J McNaughton, ENSR Consultating and Engineering. Brian
Sussman, Meteorologist, Fellow, American Meteorologist, fellow, American
Meteorological Society. H Read McGrath, PhD, Meteorologist. Robert E.
Zabrecky, Meteorologist.
William  M. Porch, PhD, Atmospheric Physicist, Los Alamos national
Laboratory. Earle R. Williams, PhD, Associate Profesor of Meteorology, Dept.
of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of
Technology. S. Fred Singer, PhD, Atmospheric Physsicist, University of
Virginia, Director, Science & Environmental Policy Project. (Affilitions
listed are for identification purposes only).


It isn't that bad.  At least the Bugatti EB110 has compound curves compared
to the slab sides on the Consulier.  And the Bugatti has a quad turbo V-12
(thing of it as 4 three cylinder turbo engines tied together).  Also Ettore
Bugatti's nephew is on the board of directors and had a hand in the
development.  So that's about as much Bugatti as you are likely to get in
today's world.  Much like Enzo Ferrari's illegitamate son being allowed to
take over part of Ferrari as well...

That's funny.  I have motorcylclist friends who say the same about `cages'.
:-)

Most GP 500cc motorcycles are V-4s, and the VF line of Hondas were all V-4s
(from the VF-400F through the VF-1000F, including the RC30 race bike and
the present VFR-750F).  It should be noted that Lancia built a V-4 in
recent history in the Fulvia HF, a very pretty Italian coupe.


I am interested to know if there is know procedure/document to
configure an IBM Musci Feature (IMF) card to work as the sound device
with MS-Windows 3.1.  I believe the IMF uses the same FM synth chip as
the Soun Blaster, but didn't know what driver to use or how to
configure the MIDI-mapper.

Any help, past success, suggestions?

Thanks,

Don.


FILES=30
BUFFERS=30
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /DOUBLE_BUFFER
STACKS=9,256

and also my autoexec.bat

C:\vshield
C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /L
rem ***************** MouseWare 5.0 Setup ******************
PATH=C:\;c:\dos;C:\WINDOWS;C:\FAX;C:\MOUSE;C:\WP51\;
SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
MOUSE SER 2
rem ********************************************************
c:\dos\share

Have you seen this problem before? Please help me out...

thanks


A repost from talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.jewish:

From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Subject: Re: Who's next?  Mormons and Jews?
Date: 20 Apr 1993 19:15:13 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

All government claims.  If they were really stocking such weapons for
Armageddon, how come they never used them?

"The time is coming.  Those of you who have no sword, sell your shirt and
 buy one... And they told him, Master, we have two swords.  And he said, It
 is enough."  (LUKE ...)

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
 but the sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
 and the daugher against her mother..."  (MATT 10 34-35)

Just maybe you won't be home.  Then you can come home to something
like this:

    "Well, it's been a rough month," begins Johnnie Lawmaster.  "I
 just get laid off, and my divorce became final.  But I just wasn't
 ready for what happened this particular Monday."

    That particular Monday was was December 16, the first day of the
 Bill of Rights' third century, the day when federal agents and local
 law enforcement officer broke into the house in Tulsa that always flew
 the U.S. flag.  When Lawmaster drove into the driveway that bleak
 afternoon, one of his neighbors had some news.

    "'Ohmigod, John, you are in big trouble!' my neighbor tells me.
 'Sixty police, federal agents and the bomb squad busted in you house,
 kicked down the door, cut locks off your gun safe.'  I couldn't
 believe it.  Then I walked inside.  What a nightmare."

    It was no nightmare; it was horribly real life.  Apparently acting
 on information the Lawmaster possessed an illegal firearm, some thirty
 agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) teamed up
 with state and Tulsa police authorities, search warrant in hand, to
 search for a "Colt, AR-15, .223 caliber machine gun, unknown serial
 number."  The warrant, issued by U.S. Magistrate John Leo Wagner, also
 authorized agents to seize "any tools used in the alteration or
 modification of firearms, such as files or drills; documents, papers,
 books, records, and other tangible properties which identify occupants
 or owners of the property to be searched...."

    Reports vary, but according to neighbors, the joint task force
 operation aimed at the unemployed warehouseman from a nearby hospital
 involved some 60 agents and local law enforcement personnel against
 Lawmaster.  They cordoned off the street; took station with weapons
 drawn in the back yard; used a battering ram to break through the
 front door; kicked in the back door; broke into his gun safe; threw
 personal papers around the house; spilled boxes of ammunition on the
 floor; broke into a small, locked box that contained precious coins;
 stood on a table to peer through the ceiling tiles, breaking the table
 in the process.  Then, they left.  The doors were closed but not
 latched, much less locked.  The ammo and guns were left unsecured.

    "My front and back doors were pulled shut, but they were busted
 through and couldn't latch.  Anybody could have waltzed in there and
 stolen everything I own.  A child could have taken a gun.  The guns,
 the safe -- everything was open and laying around.  I keep all my
 magazines empty, but someone had loaded them.  While I was looking
 around in amazement, the gas, electric and water companies show up to
 turn the power off.  They said they were told to shut things down.
 Then I found the note.  "Nothing Found - ATF."

    "They didn't make any attempt to notify me.  I've lived in Tulsa
 all my life and never got more than a traffic ticket.  How come they
 can't look that up, realize I've been law-abiding my whole life, then
 come to the door when I'm home?  They didn't leave someone here to
 watch over my private property.  They didn't even come by to explain
 what happened.  They just raided my home, ransaked it, left it wide
 open and left."

    Lawmaster placed a phone call to the local BATF agent.  "I asked,
 'Are you gonna' arrest me?' and he said, 'No.'  I asken him, "Who is
 going to repair and clean up my house?'  And he said, "If you're going
 to talk to me, come down to my office.'

    "'I can't come down!' I said.  'My doors are broken!'  If I had
 been on vacation and I didn't have friendly neighbors, I would have
 lost everything I own.  Here I am a competent, responsible firearms
 owner, and the government leaves them open, unlocked, with ammo strewn
 around."

    Lawmaster said the agent advised him, "If you want your door to
 lock and your gun safe to lock, you're gonna' have to pay for it
 yourself."

    "'Oh, I'll come right down, alright,' I told him.  'I'll come
 down, but I'll bring my attorney.'  And he said, 'Well, you bring
 your attorney, and we won't talk to you.'"

So if you don't want your tea party to be held in awkward silence, make
sure your lawyer isn't there, there's a good chap.

What a repulsive outlook on society.  "Followers of unusual religions
may be killed by the government -- it simply can't be helped in a free
society."

You and I have two different concepts of "free."
--


I think it was - he went into town fairly often, and was known to go
jogging.  This was even during the 9 month period when he was being
watched.  One wonders why the BATF went ahead, when they had been warned
according to an interview with a BATF agent, that the BD were expecting
them, and why they had the media in tow.  Almost looks like they wanted
to have a romp and a nice show for the media, and it all went to hell...

He was also never known to act violently.  He has always surrendered
peacefully before (but of course, the warrants were served peacefully).
He has been tried on the allegations before and found NOT GUILTY.

The justification for this mess was he was alleged to have purchased
$200,000.00 worth of guns and stuff (over an undetermined time period).
Last I heard this is not a crime, or indication of one.  I know of an
INDIVIDUAL with that much value in guns.  SHould he get a fly-thru-the-door
shoot-first-talk-later raid?  (grenades are shooting first, nobody I
know of can say 'oh, thats only a stun grenade, thats OK...').  Can you?
I sure cannot.  Also, one cannot be sure that 200K figure is not calculated
like the Feds calculate the value of a drug siezure...  Even so, it
is a 'so what' issue...  He wasn't bothering anyone (besides the
BATF who doesn't like folks other than themselves or other govt
people having any effective guns)... and having an unapproved
religeous group.  Are we required to not offend the BATF these
days?  I sure hope it hasn't come to THAT...

MY point is, it DOES NOT ADD UP.  We need an independent investigation,
and NOW.  Assuming other than FBI/BATF are preserving the evidence.

They had the premisis bugged.  I am inclined to think a further wait
would have saved lives.  One wonders why they didn't have emergency
gear on hand when they moved, and why they didn't turn on the water
when a fire was observed, instead of saying "aw, gee, there is no water".

Why so long before the fire gear even SHOWED UP - like after the building
had pretty much finished burning?  Fireman safety?  Isn't that a decision
the firefighters should be allowed to make?  No water?  Why didn't
the Feds TURN IT BACK ON?  They sure could cut it off quickly enough...

One does wonder about the possibility of 'settling scores'...

What does 'taking responsibility' mean?  You think she is going to be
facing jail time if the acts were found to be criminal?  You think
she is going to face ANY repercussions if the FBI/BATF are found to
have acted wrongly?  I don't.  It is a nice PR gimmick, though.

I am not assured there will even be a serious independent investigation
for possible wrongdoing or criminal acts on the part of the BATF or FBI.
I expect to hear "they are our best law enforcement.  They wouldn't do
anything like that - NO WAY.  OUT of the QUESTION.  End of issue".

I want to see an INDEPENDENT investigation, with full prosecuting and
subpoena powers.  With felony prosecution where felony acts are found.
Fat chance, I bet.  I bet the Justice Dept will have an internal
investigation which will turn up at most 'poor judgement'.

I hope I am wrong, that this is gone over with a fine tooth comb.


Can anyone point me to a cross compiler and/or assembler for the Motorola
68008, hosted by a PC compatible.  Preferable Free or Shareware.

Also does anyone know of a GNU CC port to this chip.


First off, if I'm not mistaken, only hibernating animals have brown fat,
not humans.

Secondly, your description sounds just like 2,4-dinitrophenol.  This is an
uncoupler of respiratory chain oxidative phosphorylation.  Put in layman's
terms, it short-circuits the mitochondria, causing food energy to be
turned into heat.

2,4-DNP was popular in the 1930's for weight reduction.  In controlled
amounts, it raises body temperature as the body compensates for the
reduced amount of useful energy available.  It is very dangerous.
It would be wiser to adjust to your present body form, rather than
play around with 2,4-DNP.


Urgent help needed. Daughter has SE 30 and Imagewriter II. Worked well until
yesterday. Now when she tries to print from Macwrite II or Acta the printing
message comes on, but not printing! Bought new cable, still no printing. Moved
cable to modem port, still no printing! I'm a DOS person and don't know where
to begin. Are there diagnostics for a MAC?


:
: >move a little, the pain will be excrutiating. I was told by my doctor
: >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes,
: >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd
: >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who
: >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in.
:
: One more reason for men to learn the Lamaze breathing techniques, in order
: to be able to get some pain reduction instantly, wherever you are.
: --
: :-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    *****
: :-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  *********
: :-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  *
: :-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><

It would have been pretty difficult to practice my hee hee's while I was
keeled over pukeing my guts out though.

--


Ok, so I've heard about Comtrade, Gateway, TC, and various others.  What
about your impressions/dealings with Dell, Ariel Design, Austin, Insight,
Royal, and HD computers?

Responses by E-Mail are preferred because they reduce Usenet bandwidth.  I will
summarize the responses with another posting in a week.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Blake Buhlig                                        Colorado State University
 bb760597@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu            Electrical/Computer Engineering


Put up or shut up. Where is your evidence?
Show a study indicating a link between liking >>GROWN UPS<< of the same
sex and liking children. Saying that 30% of molested children are male
shows nothing since it tells you nothing of the molesters preference
in adults (if they have any at all).

The politicians will have plenty to be scared of in one week be it 1% or
90%.

I'm sure there will be a few non queers, but the vast majority are
queer.


	A few things about the University. It is more fun than some may
admit. Partying does go on and it has consistently been ranked
one of Playboy's top party schools. But we do study and more
importantly learn a lot. The overall UVa drug use is actually
lower than the average college in the U.S.
	There is no hate law on the books even though they (The
forces of PC) tried to have one last year( by the way a similar
law at the University of Wisconsin ? was found unconstitutional
last year). There is a law
against relationship of professors with their students or
advisees that just passed.
	Thomas Jefferson was the sole author of the Virginia
statute for religious freedom(the basis for the first ten
amendments), though he is not given full credit for righting
the bill of rights. So someone who picked on me for that is
right.
	By the way, we're the man in everything. Sports
academics and partying. I'm sure a lot of other schools are
good at what they do as well, so don't start mailing me junk.
I'm happy where I am and maybe I'll go to one of y'alls medical
schools in a couple of years.


1954 MG-TF with frame-up restoration in early '70's - a local show winner!
Driven very little and stored inside since then - mostly collected dirt &
dust.  Needs attention to brake cylinders (like all MG-T's) but otherwise
ready to run.  Chrome & paint not fancy but it is mechanically excellent.
The engine, a 1250cc, was completely overhauled by a machine shop.  It is
priced at $12,000.

1953 MG-TD Good shape but hasn't been run since '70's.  Needs engine work,
but no rust and everything is with it including a top, side curtains and
carpet that were new and haven't seen the outdoors since the '70's. $9,500.

1952 MG-TD Basket Case.  I'd call it a parts car, but it's too good
for that.  Everything seems to be there except the tach.  Would make
a good project car or parts car if you insist.  No apparent rust but the
upholstery is a disaster.  Stored inside since the '70's.  The top was
new but now soso.  This one has wire wheels!  Looking for $4,500.

All three cars will be sold "as they stand" with no hassles or haggles.
Time has passed by and it is time to part company.  Prices are negotiable.

Reply via matthews@Oswego.oswego.edu or   U.S. mail to: P. O. Box 1015
                                       315-341-3501   Oswego, NY 13126

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   Henry, if I read you correctly, you may be asking "If I put a blackbody
in interstellar space ('disregarding the Sun and nearby large warm objects'),
what termperature will it reach in thermal equilibrium with the ambient
radiation field?"

   If that's the case, let me point out that interstellar dust and
molecules provide many instances of things that are, well, not-too-far
from being blackbodies.  Many different observations, including IRAS
and COBE, have determined that interstellar dust grain temperatures
can range from 40K to 150K.  You might look in a conference proceedings
"Interstellar Processes", ed. D. J. Hollenbach and H. A. Thronson, Jr.,
published in 1987.  Try the articles by Tielens et al., Seab, and
Black.

   Inside the disk of the galaxy, the temperature varies quite a bit
from place to place (how close are you to the nearest OB association,
I would guess).  Outside the galaxy, of course, things aren't so
varied.

   I hope this is what you were looking for....


about
them on

Actually, I thought Macs were suppoused to be restarted once a day.
--
Jim Smyton  (smytonj@alleg.edu)


I sent a version of this post out a while ago, but it was swallowed by
the void.  My apologies if anyone ends up receiving it.

Oh no, I wasn't confused -- I understood that it was your personal
opinion.  But I thought we were discussing the need to shorten
games.  The arguments which declare this need seem to hinge on
the assertion that long games bore people and otherwise discourage
them from going to the ballpark.  I'd like to see if the increased
length of games has negatively affected attendance.  If it has, then
there *is* a problem, and something should be done about it.  If it
hasn't, then there *isn't* a problem, and there's no need to monkey
with things as they are.


I have this kit which includes the following :

1)	82c84a/82c84a-5
	CHMOS CLOCK GENERATOR AND DRIVER
	FOR 8086,80C88 PROCESSORS
2)	27C64/87C64
	64K(8Kx8) CHMOS UV ERASABLE PROM
3)	51C259L
	LOW POWER 64K x 4
	CHMOS DYNAMIC RAM
4)	82C59A-2
	CHMOS PROGRAMMABLE INTERRUPT CONTROLLER
5)	82C88
	CHMOS BUS CONTROLLER
	FRO 80C86,80C88 PROCESSORS
6)	80C88/80C88-2
	8-BIT CHMOS MICROPROCESSOR
7)	82C55A
	CHMOS PROGRAMMABLE PERIPHERAL INTERFACE
8)	82C54
	CHMOS PROGRAMMABLE INTERVAL TIMER
9)	82C08
	CHMOS DYNAMIC RAM CONTROLLER

All these are chips with complete manual in a box. I don't know whether they
still work or not, and I don't really know what they are.

So this is mainly for those who knows what this is and have use of it
(probably EE stuff since this used to belong to a EE student)

Anyone interested, please make me an offer.


Fine, but one of the points of this entire discussion is that "we"
(conservative, reformed christians - this could start an argument...
But isn't this idea that homosexuality is ok fairly "new" [this
century] ? Is there any support for this being a viable viewpoint
before this century? I don't know.) don't believe that homosexuality
is "acceptable to Him". So your scripture quotation doesn't work for
"us".