THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary
___________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                                  April 23, 1993

                            PRESS BRIEFING
                           BY DEE DEE MYERS

                          The Briefing Room

10:35 A.M. EDT

	     MS. MYERS:  At 1:00 p.m., we're having a press
conference, Bill, in the East Room.  And then Saturday the President
will leave here at roughly 8:00 a.m. and fly down to Jamestown.  He
will spend the day there, overnight at Camp David.

	     On Sunday, it's unclear exactly what time he'll leave
Camp David and fly to Boston.  He'll leave from Hagerstown. The press
plane will leave from Washington.

	     He will meet with some --

	     Q	  What kind of a plane is that he's taking?

	     MS. MYERS:  That he's taking?  He'll probably take a C-
20.

	     Q	  From Hagerstown?

	     MS. MYERS:  From Hagerstown.  Air Force One doesn't fly
out of Hagerstown, apparently.

	     Q	  How will the pool travel?

	     MS. MYERS:  The pool will have to meet him ahead of
time.  So I guess the pool will travel with the press plane and wait
for him at the airport.  There is currently no provision -- and I'll
double-check, because there's currently no provision -- I think
that's standard operating practice.

	     Q	  The pool is not going to meet him and watch him get
on the plane at Hagerstown?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't believe so.

	     Q	  What time does he have to be in Boston?

	     MS. MYERS:  He's going to meet there with a group of
citizens, mostly people who supported us during the campaign, at
around 1:30 p.m.  We're still working out the final times.

	     Q	  At the airport?

	     MS. MYERS:  No, it will be at the Boston Harbor Hotel.
	     And then he will also meet with some -- a youth group
that authored something called Project 21.  The speech to the
publishers is actually at 3:15 p.m.  It will be followed by Q&A.  And
then after the speech and Q&A, he'll attend a reception with the
publishers, and then return to Washington from Boston.  And that's it
for the weekend.

	     Q	  Has the President seen the report from -- or the
letter, communication from the foreign service officers; also,
obviously, the communication from Madeleine Albright?  And what is
his reaction to their call on him?

	     MS. MYERS:  Well, obviously, the letter was written to
Secretary Christopher.  I believe Secretary Christopher received the
letter on Saturday.  He reviewed it and met with the authors on
Monday to discuss their views.  He believes it's an important part of
the policy-making process and is taking their views into account as
we go forward in the development of the Bosnia policy.

	     Q	  What is the President's reaction?

	     MS. MYERS:  The President hasn't seen the letter.  It
was something that was directed towards Secretary Christopher.  In
terms of -- he hasn't seen specifically the letter, but in terms of
their concerns generally, what the President has said is that there
are a lot of options on the table now, including ones that weren't
there before.  And I think he's, as is everybody, gravely concerned
about the situation in Bosnia.

	     Q	  Is he influenced by that?  I mean, how does he feel
about the fact that all of the specialists in that area -- those desk
officers --

	     MS. MYERS:  Many of the specialists in that area -- I
think that that is clearly part of the process.  It's something --
their views will clearly be considered.  I think Secretary
Christopher met with the group immediately to discuss their views.  I
think he believes that there ought to be room for opinions and that
those opinions ought to be considered, particularly from people who
work closely on the issues.

	     Q	  What do you mean, there are options on the table
that weren't there before?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think the President said last week that
there were options, such as lifting the arms embargo to the Bosnian
Muslims, that had been previously off the table that are now being
considered.

	     Q	  Dee Dee, in terms of those options, Madeleine
Albright is saying that potentially there could be unilateral action
by the U.S. if the Europeans did not go along.  Is that on the table?

	     MS. MYERS:  Well, I can't discuss anything that would --
any conversations that would have happened between Ambassador
Albright and the President.  But I think the President has said he
would certainly -- is working with our European allies.  He's had a
number of conversations with European leaders and is trying to build
some consensus there.

	     Q	  Will he reach a decision -- will he have anything
specific to say today?

	     MS. MYERS:  No.  I mean, in term of there will be no new
announcement of policy today.

	     Q	  Does your statement mean he has ruled out
unilateral action?

	     MS. MYERS:  He's continuing to consult with our allies
at this point.  He has said -- I think he's been fairly clear about
it, that the he believes that the U.S. needs to act in concert with
its allies on this.

	     Q	  On that point, does he believe that the U.S.,
though, does have built-in authority from the United Nations already
to take unilateral action?

	     MS. MYERS:  Well, I think the U.N. Resolution 770 makes
it clear that you can act unilaterally in support of any humanitarian
relief effort.  I think the broader point is that anything we do, any
options that we decide to pursue we will make sure that it is
consistent with U.N. authority, and if it's not, we'll work with our
allies to make sure that we get it.

	     Q	  Dee Dee, then how does the White House someone as
distinguished as Elie Wiesel, who says that not enough is being done
to stop the atrocities going on in Bosnia?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think that that's why we're considering
additional options.  I think that Mr. Wiesel's comments yesterday
were quite compelling.  The situation in Bosnia is tragic.  The
President is very concerned about it.  He has -- I think President
Clinton has worked very hard  to take further actions to continue to
isolate Serbia in the world community.  Clearly, we're considering
other options because the President is concerned that perhaps it's
not enough.

	     Q	  In terms of what you were just talking about, it
sounds like Resolution 770 justifies unilateral action by the U.S. to
protect humanitarian --

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't think it -- I wouldn't use the word
justify.  It permits unilateral action by any country in protecting
the delivery of humanitarian relief.  But I think that's just an
explanation of the resolution.  I think any action that we take will
be consistent with U.N. resolutions or we'll work with our allies to
make sure that it is permissible or we'll get further action.

	     Q	  The President and other officials have ruled out
unilateral U.S. action in Bosnia in the past.  You're declining to do
that this morning.

	     MS. MYERS:  No, I said the President has said repeatedly
that he wants to act in concert with our allies on this.

	     Q	  That doesn't mean that he won't act alone, which
has been said before explicitly.

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't mean to imply a change in policy.
The President has said all along that he wants to act in concert with
our allies on this.

	     Q	  One other little question.  Did he know about this
letter from the foreign service officers before it hit the papers?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't believe so.  Secretary Christopher
-- they may have had a private conversation about it.  The President
has not seen it.

	     Q	  They met on Monday, right?  Christopher met --
surely, he must have brought that up --

	     MS. MYERS:  Again, they may have talked privately about
it, but --

	     Q	  Dee Dee, what you're saying is that the Albright
recommendation has been rejected, is that correct?

	     MS. MYERS:  No, I didn't say that at all.  I said I
won't -- I said I wouldn't comment on any conversations or
communications.

	     Q	  She's advocating unilateral action and you're
saying, in effect, that we will not take unilateral action.

	     MS. MYERS:  I am not confirming anything that Madeleine
Albright may or may not have recommended.

	     Q	  Given the sometimes delicate, complicated and
frustrating nature of negotiations with the allies on this issue,
does the President find this kind of letter from 12 foreign service
officers of the State Department helpful to that process, hurtful to
that?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think that their views are obviously being
considered.  The Secretary received that memo on Saturday and two
days later he met with them in order to have a more thorough airing
of their views, of the basis for their views, to discuss in greater
detail the options that they had presented in the letter.

	     Q	  Doesn't it put some kind of pressure on --
additional pressure on him now from within his own administration to
act regardless of what the allies may or may not do?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think clearly there's a broad policy
review underway now.  And the President and his advisors are
considering a number of options, including some of those outlined in
the letter from the folks over at the State Department.  Now, no
decisions have been made on that yet, but I think that there is a
through review underway, and that their opinions are being very
seriously considered.

	     Q	  If I can just follow up, I guess what I'm looking
for is what was his reaction to this letter?  Did he say, good, this
bolsters my position?  Or did he say, damn, this is just what I don't
need right now?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think he said this helps contribute
substantively to the debate.  It's important that all views be
considered and aired thoroughly, that before he makes a decision he
wants to have the best possible advice and information possible, and
this, I think in many ways, furthers that goal.

	     Q	  So internal advice to a Cabinet official or the
President -- it's all open now, and you wouldn't take any umbrage or
say that they were out of line?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think that the fact that Secretary
Christopher met with them to discuss their views and make sure they
had an opportunity to have a more complete conversation about it is
conclusive evidence that their views are welcome.

	     Q	  Does the policy review include what Madeleine
Albright has suggested, and what Joe Biden and others have suggested,
which is that the previous U.N. resolutions authorize unilateral
action -- military action -- for the delivery of humanitarian --

	     MS. MYERS:  I think all options are on the table.

	     Q	  The unilateral option is on the table?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think all options are on the table.

	     Q	  We've had two different --

	     Q	  Isn't that a change, Dee Dee?

	     Q	  That would be a change of policy.

	     Q	  Particularly if it includes ground troops, which
has been specifically ruled out.

	     MS. MYERS:  I think the President has been -- well, no.
I don't -- that is not --

	     Q	  Are you talking about all options?

	     MS. MYERS:  All options -- I think the President has
been fairly clear about that.  So let me just review again what he
has said.  He has said that -- the President has said all options are
on the table, with the exception of the introduction of ground
troops, which he has never suggested.  He has ruled that out from the
beginning.

	     Q	  Hasn't he ruled out unilateral action of any sort?

	     MS. MYERS:  He has said that he doesn't believe the U.S.
can solve the problems in the former Yugoslavia by itself.  I think
that there are a number of very complicated options on the table
right now.  I don't think that -- again, I don't want to comment on
specific options that are being considered other than in the broad
categories that we've already said -- things like lifting the arms
embargo against the Bosnian Muslims, things that I think we've talked
about in broad terms.  This is a very complicated situation.  The
options being presented and considered are very complicated.

	     Q	  Air strikes on the table?

	     MS. MYERS:  Again, I think that's been fairly clearly
pointed out that that's something that's being discussed.

	     Q	  Dee Dee, are ground troops on the --

	     MS. MYERS:  No, ground troops are not being considered.

	     Q	  You said there was not going to be -- you said you
were not announcing a change of policy.  Then you said everything is
on the table.  We're confused.  Are unilateral actions on the table?

	     MS. MYERS:  All I can tell you is what the President has
said -- that he doesn't believe -- that he wants to act in concert
with the allies on this.

	     Q	  Wants to, but he's willing to -- I mean, if they
don't go along --

	     MS. MYERS:  He's continuing to consult with our allies
on this.  He's continuing to have discussions.  He's continuing to
press them for further action.  And I think that's clear.  The
conversation is ongoing.  We're going to continue to work with them
to find the best possible solution and next step on this.

	     Q	  Dee Dee, the allies have taken the position that to
conduct any kind of air strikes in Bosnia would have the opposite
effect of ensuring the delivery of humanitarian aid; that they feel
that their troops on the ground monitoring the delivery of that aid
would become vulnerable and the Bosnians --

	     MS. MYERS:  I'm not sure that's the consistent -- I
mean, I'm not sure who you're referring to.

	     Q	  The British and the French.

	     Q	  Yes, the British and French.  They've taken the
position that the delivery of humanitarian aid would be jeopardized
by any kind of air strikes against the Bosnian military.  Does the
U.S. believe differently from that?

	     MS. MYERS:  The President has had conversations with
both Mitterrand and Major, as you know.  I think that there is a
thorough review of policy going on in those countries as well.  And I
don't want to comment on the nature of the President's discussions
other than to say that he's continuing to consult with our allies as
we move forward and he's continuing to press them for further action.
And I think that process is ongoing.

	     Q	     the other day voted against any military
intervention yesterday.  Does the President regard that as the end of
the line or does he does still hold out some possibility of
unilateral action?  The allies have been very, very plain that they
do not want to do anything.

	     MS. MYERS:  The consultations are ongoing.  That's all I
can tell you at this point.

	     Q	  Are you saying that there won't be any announcement
on Bosnia today in the press conference?

	     MS. MYERS:  No, that is not the intention of the press
conference.

	     Q	  What is the intention?

	     MS. MYERS:  It's an opportunity to take questions.  He
may have a brief -- I'm sure he'll have a brief opening statement,
but it is not an opportunity to outline a new policy on Bosnia.  That
will not happen.

	     Q	  Can you tell us what the subject of the opening
statement is?

	     MS. MYERS:  It's sort of a general statement of where we
are.

	     Q	  After the first hundred days, you mean?

	     MS. MYERS:  It's not a long statement.  I mean, this is
just generally.  Don't look for any major policy pronouncements.

	     Q	  Do you know what the opening statement is?

	     MS. MYERS:  But it's -- perhaps later today I'll be able
to tell you with more certainty -- I think that's still under review.
But the overriding purpose of this -- it's not a mystery; it's not
meant to be.  It's just to take questions.

	     Q	  It would be helpful to know whether -- what the
opening statement is on.

	     MS. MYERS:  Since the major purpose here is just to take
questions, it's not completely resolved yet.

	     Q	  Dee Dee, one policy that was expected last week and
that the White House, you and George seemed to indicate we might get,
would be an AIDS czar.  Will he announce that today?  And what's the
delay on that?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't think we meant to imply -- I think
we said it would happen soon.  I don't think we meant to imply with
any certainty that it would be this week.  It is coming soon.  I
don't anticipate that happening today.

	     Q	  What's the delay?  Isn't this the perfect time to
announce an AIDS czar?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't know that it's a delay.  I think the
process is ongoing to find the best possible person and to go through
the necessary background checks, and to make sure that we've crossed
the t's and dotted the i's before we make an announcement.

	     Q	  Dee Dee, what are Zoe Baird's qualifications for
the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board?  And why wasn't her
appointment announced here?

	     MS. MYERS:  The qualifications -- I don't know if
there's a specific list; I'll have to check and see.  I think there
are a number of people there on the board with different backgrounds.
Many of them have long histories in intelligence or other government
service.  I think there's a broad variety of views across political
spectrum and across backgrounds that are represented there.  We never
made a formal announcement other than the Chairman of the Board,
which is Admiral William Crowe.

	     Q	  Why would he appoint her, though, if the American
people and many in the Senate rejected her for another government
job?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't believe that the American people
ever had -- voted on her.  And I certainly -- she was never rejected
in the Senate.  She never went up there for a hearing.  But the
President believes she's a very competent person.  He's said that --
Zoe Baird -- do you understand what the question is?  Zoe Baird is on
the President's Foreign Intelligence --

	     Q	  You said she never went up there for a hearing?

	     Q	  Her nomination was withdrawn after public outrage
over violating federal laws?

	     MS. MYERS:  Right, she never -- she was never -- but you
said she was rejected by the Senate.  I was just simply trying to
point out that she was never voted on by the Senate.

	     Q	  So you don't think that is any problem?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't think there's any problem.

	     Q	  She has been appointed to this board, is that a
fact?

	     MS. MYERS:  Yes.

	     Q	  Does she need confirmation for this?  Does she need
confirmation to be a member of the --

	     MS. MYERS:  No.  It's a presidential appointment.

	     Q	  Usually, announcements are made here at the White
House.  Was there a decision not to announce her publicly?

	     MS. MYERS:  We didn't make an announcement.  People who
asked were told who  the members of the board were.  We didn't make
an official announcement.  If anybody's interested in that we can
certainly put out the list of names.

	     Q	  I'd like to know.

	     Q	  Don't such board members -- don't you normally as a
matter of -- routinely put out releases on all these boards and
presidential appointment regardless of their dimension?

	     MS. MYERS:  Not always.  But, again, I'm happy to put
this out.

	     Q	  Isn't that the standard practice?

	     Q	  That was past practice.

	     MS. MYERS:  Again, I'm happy to put it out.  We'll put
out a list of the members of the board today.

	     Q	  Dee Dee, I don't want to try to fail to let you get
out of this swamp but -- (laughter) -- all I really want to know is
hasn't it been the practice in this administration for such
announcements to be made routinely?

	     MS. MYERS:  I think generally but not always.  And we're
happy to put that out today.

	     Q	  What is the board, what is her title, what is the
size of the board?

	     MS. MYERS:  There is roughly a dozen members on the
board.  It is a civilian board, although their are some, obviously,
retired military personnel on the board that provide input into
intelligence policy for the President.  Again, the chairman of that
board is Admiral William Crowe.

	     Q	  And did he recommend Baird?

	     Q	  What's the name of the board?

	     MS. MYERS:  It's the President's Foreign Intelligence
Advisory Board, PFIAB.

	     Q	  What's her qualification -- that she had employed
an illegal alien?  Is that -- (laughter) --

	     MS. MYERS:  Do you want an answer to the question or you
just want to make a joke?

	     Q	  Let me phrase it another way.  Why shouldn't this
appointment be viewed as a pay-back for the difficulty she had a
couple of months ago?

	     MS. MYERS:  Because it's not.

	     Q	  What's her experience in foreign intelligence?

	     MS. MYERS:  She's an experienced attorney, someone who
the President believes is very competent and qualified.  And I think
part of the mission of this board is to provide civilian input.  Not
everybody on the board is supposed to be an intelligence expert; that
is not the board's mission.  It is to provide civilian input for the
President as he makes decisions regarding intelligence matters.  He
believes she's very qualified, very competent person, enormously
talented and has said that throughout.

	     Q	  Is this just a figment of my overactive
imagination, or was there discussion early on about abolishing the
President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't think so.  On December 24th, when he
announced all of his foreign policy advisors he announced that he
would -- had appointed Admiral Crowe as the head of the board.  So I
don't believe there's ever been any --

	     Q	  Earlier than that, during the transition.

	     MS. MYERS:  No, I don't believe so.  It was announced,
again, on December 24th.  Admiral Crowe couldn't be there, but it was
announced.

	     Q	  Are members paid?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't believe so, but I'll double-check.

	     Q	  On another subject, on Waco, how do you explain the
discrepancy between the federal reports of the autopsies of the
bodies that are coming out of Waco and the state?  I guess it's the
Texas Ranger reports.

	     MS. MYERS:  Most of the information is coming -- the
federal information is coming from the site.  Clearly, there's been
some discrepancies and the Justice Department is looking into it.
Officials in the Justice Department were told, I believe the day
before yesterday, that there were several bodies found with bullet
holes.  I think there's some discrepancy about that, and the Justice
Department is looking into it.

	     Q	  Is the President going to get involved in trying to
sort out what seems to be becoming a jurisdictional morass down
there, with some people withdrawing, others saying they're in charge,
but others -- Justice, FBI, Texas Rangers -- all grabbing a piece of
this?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't know that he's going to try to
mediate the dispute.  I mean, I'll let you know if there's anything
he intends to do about it.  But as you know, there are several levels
of investigation ongoing, and we're hopeful that they can work
together.

	     Q	  Is there any one agency or official down there in
charge of everything?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't know.  I'll have to get back to you
on that.

	     Q	  What is the subject matter of Sunday's speech?

	     MS. MYERS:  It's going to be fairly general.  I don't
think it's going to be any specific announcements.  I think it's
going to be sort of a --

	     Q	  Does he have a topic that he's going to talk about?

	     MS. MYERS:  We're still working on it.  But I wouldn't
look for any announcements of, like, the drug czar or something like
that.

	     Q	  Is it sort of a 100 days speech, sort of "my
excellent adventure for 100 days"?  (Laughter.)

	     MS. MYERS:  Not exactly, but I think he'll take a little
bit broader look about what's happened in the last --

	     Q	  Foreign, domestic?

	     MS. MYERS:  A little bit of both, but I think a lot of
domestic.

	     Q	  And overview.

	     MS. MYERS:  Yes, more of an overview than a specific
policy announcement.

	     Q	  Has there been an agreement yet on a forum by which
the President will address the gay rights march on Sunday?

	     MS. MYERS:  It will be a letter read to the crowd by
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.

	     Q	  Is that available?

	     MS. MYERS:  Not yet, but it will be.  Sure.

	     Q	  Are you going to put it out here or --

	     MS. MYERS:  We'll probably put it out here on Sunday.

	     Q	  Travel next week?

	     MS. MYERS:  Unclear.

	     Q	  What was the question?

	     Q	  Likely?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't --

	     Q	  Likely?  Possible?

	     MS. MYERS:  Possible.

	     Q	  What's possible?

	     MS. MYERS:  Travel.

	     Q	  George mentioned yesterday campaign finance reform
and national service legislative proposals next week.  Do you have
days yet for them?

	     MS. MYERS:  Not yet.

	     Q	  Can you tell us which order?

	     MS. MYERS:  Campaign finance reform first; national
service later in the week.

	     Q	  Is there any coverage tomorrow in Williamsburg?

	     MS. MYERS:  No.

	     Q	  And any report in the aftermath of the day?

	     MS. MYERS:  Any readout from the day?

	     Q	  Readout.

	     MS. MYERS:  It's possible.  Jeff Eller will be down
there.  I think he can go through what the President did during the
day.  We don't expect any photo op or anything, other than departure
here in the morning.

	     Q	   Dee Dee, the President has not made a regular
practice, as some of his predecessors have, of going to Camp David.
In fact, he's been there -- what -- once or twice?

	     MS. MYERS:  Twice.

	     Q	  Why this weekend?

	     MS. MYERS:  He went two weekends ago, as you know, on
the way home from his father-in-law's funeral.  I think that they
found it to be a good experience and a nice way for them to spend
some time together as a family.  And this is just an opportunity to
do the same.

	     Q	  There's no march there.

	     Q	  It has nothing to do with the march here?

	     MS. MYERS:  No.

	     Q	  Since he's going to be in town Sunday morning now
instead of in Jamestown, have you thought about him making a quick
pass-by, fly-over -- (laughter) --

	     MS. MYERS:  He'll fly straight to Boston.

	     Q	  Flying straight did you say?  (Laughter.)

	     Q	  George took a question yesterday on Waco.  The
President had said on Tuesday in the Rose Garden that there was a
minor disagreement on tactics between the military advisors and the
FBI.  And the question was whether you knew exactly what that was and
whether it related to the use of the particular kind of tear gas.  Do
you have an answer on that?

	     MS. MYERS:  I don't.  I'll check.

	     THE PRESS:  Thank you.


No wonder you 'wieneramus' are in such a mess. Following the Greek
Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with the aid of the Greek
army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right given by two international
agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently and conveniently forgotten
people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For those Turkish Cypriots whose
grandparents have been living on the island since 1571. And the next is
'Karabag'.

The people of Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek
Cypriots will never abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will
remain eternally hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever
the cost to the parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece
was the sole perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent
its troops on July 15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate
government of Archibishop Makarios.

The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization
of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the
'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not
forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks
in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to
destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of
course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences
for this irresponsible conduct.

             THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM

2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus

It is the  house of Dr. Nihat  Ilhan, a major who  was serving at
the Cyprus  Turkish Army Contingent. During  the attacks launched
against the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat
Ilhan's  wife and  three  children were  ruthlessly and  brutally
killed in the  bathroom, where they had tried to  hide, by savage
Greeks. Dr.  Nihat Ilhan happened to  be on duty that  night, the
24th   December  1963.   Pictures  reflecting   Greek  atrocities
committed during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which
has been converted into a museum.

AN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT  OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY  WAS BUTCHERED BY
GREEK TERRORISTS

The date  is the 24th of  December, 1963... The onslaught  of the
Greeks against the Turks, which  started three days ago, has been
going on  with all its  ferocity; and defenseless women,  old men
and children are being brutally  killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal
Area of Nicosia witnesses the  worst example of the Greeks savage
bloodshed...

The wife  and the  three infant  children of  Dr. Nihat  Ilhan, a
major on duty at the camp  of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent,
are  mercilessly and  dastardly  shot dead  while  hiding in  the
bathroom of their house, by  maddened Greeks who broke into their
home. A glaring example of Greek barbarism.

Let us  now listen to the  relating of the said  incident told by
Mr. Hasan  Yusuf Gudum, an  eye witness, who himself  was wounded
during the same terrible event.

"On the night of the 24th  of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan
and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan.
Our neighbours  Mrs. Ayshe of  Mora, her daughter Ishin  and Mrs.
Ayshe's  sister Novber  were also  with us.  We were  all sitting
having supper.  All of  a sudden bullets  from the  Pedieos River
direction started to riddle the  house, sounding like heavy rain.
Thinking  that   the  dining-room  where  we   were  sitting  was
dangerous, we  ran to  the bathroom and  toilet which  we thought
would be  safer. Altogether we were  nine persons. We all  hid in
the bathroom  except my wife  who took  refuge in the  toilet. We
waited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing
in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her
arms. Suddenly with  a great noise we heard the  front door open.
Greeks had  come in and were  combing, every corner of  the house
with  their machine  gun bullets.  During these  moments I  heard
voices saying, in  Greek, "You want Taksim eh!"  and then bullets
started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children
fell into  the bath. They were  shot. At this moment  the Greeks,
who broke  into the bathroom, emptied  their guns on us  again. I
heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted.

When I came  to myself 2 or  3 hours later, I saw  Mrs. Ilhan and
her three children lying dead in the  bath. I and the rest of the
neighbours in the  bathroom were all seriously  wounded. But what
had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to
the  toilet, where,  in  the doorway,  I saw  her  body. She  was
brutally murdered.

In the  street admist the  sound of  shots I heard  voices crying
"Help, help. Is  there no one to save us?"  I became terrified. I
thought that  if the Greeks came  again and found that  I was not
dead they would kill  me. So I ran to the  bedroom and hid myself
under the double-bed.

An our  passed by. In the  distance I could still  hear shots. My
mouth was dry,  so I came out  from under the bed  and drank some
water. Then I put  some sweets in my pocket and  went back to the
bathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I
offered sweets  to Mrs. Ayshe,  her daughter and Mrs.  Novber who
were all wounded.

We  waited in  the bathroom  until 5  o'clock in  the morning.  I
thought morning would never come.  We were all wounded and needed
to be taken  to hospital. Finally, as we could  walk, Mrs. Novber
and I, went  out into the street hoping to  find help, and walked
as far as Koshklu Chiftlik.

There, we met  some people who took us to  hospital where we were
operated on. When  I regained my consciousness I  said that there
were more  wounded in the  house and  they went and  brought Mrs.
Ayshe and her daughter.

After staying three  days in the hospital I was  sent by plane to
Ankara  for  further treatment.  There  I  have had  four  months
treatment but still I cannot use  my arm. On my return to Cyprus,
Greeks arrested me at the Airport.

All  I have  related to  you above  I told  the Greeks  during my
detention. They then released me."

ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER

We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in
which 200  to 300 people have  been slaughtered in the  last five
days.

We  were the  first  Western  reporters there,  and  we saw  some
terrible sights.

In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way
into  a house  whose floors  were  covered with  broken glass.  A
child's bicycle lay in a corner.

In the  bathroom, looking  like a group  of waxworks,  were three
children piled on top of their murdered mother.

In a room next to it we glimpsed  the body of a woman shot in the
head.

This, we  were told, was the  home of a Turkish  Army major whose
family had been killed by the mob in the first violence.

Today was five days later, and still they lay there.

Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the "DAILY EXPRESS")

"...I saw in  a bathroom the bodies of a  mother and three infant
children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."

Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964

Serdar Argic


Review of 1989 Ford Taurus SHO -- By Gene Kim
=============================================

Background:

    Last week, I bought a 1989 Ford Taurus SHO, moving up from driving
a 1987 Toyota Celica ST and a 1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass.  I have been
interested in buying a SHO for about five months and have been combing
the classifieds in Denver and Chicago every week.  I bought a
remarkably clean maroon/red SHO with 92K miles on it for $6800.
As far as I can tell, this is about $2000 under Blue Book and I still
have another 8000 miles before the Extended Service Plan runs out.

    As one should with any pre-1991 SHOs, I made sure that the car was
already refit with the upgraded clutch and pressure plate, as well as
having been recalled for upgraded rotors and seatbelt attachments.
However, my SHO does not have the newer rod shifter -- I understand I
can get this for $230 from any Ford service center.  In addition, the
car received the full tune-up at 60K miles, receiving new platinum
plugs and valve adjustment.

    For a car with 92K miles on it, the car was virtually immaculate.
The clearcoat paint job was devoid of any large chips or dents,
although the front air-dam/molding was covered with lots of small
scratches -- not surprising since most of the miles were spent on the
highway.

    Having driven a smaller two-door coupe for so long, I was a bit
concerned about whether I could get used to driving a larger car.  To
my surprise, the size of the car doesn't bother me at all -- it seems
just as nimble as my Celica!  (No comparisons with my Oldsmobile.  :-)
Visibility from the driver's seat is excellent, helped mostly by of
the small the quarter-windows, aft of the back-seat door windows and
in front of the C-pillar and rear window.  Parallel parking is a bit
more difficult, but other than that, I love the size.

    In fact, I'm starting to appreciate the large trunk as I pack up
for a 14-hour drive to Washington, DC for the summer.  More on the
ride later in this review.

Engine:

    As with anyone even slightly interested in SHOs, I was very
interested in the 24-valve 3.0L Yamaha "Shogun" engine.  I was not
disappointed.  Base performance of the engine under 4000 rpms is
good.  You can even do reasonable launches from second gear, although
I don't make a practice of this.  The engine revs smoothly and eagerly
-- tooling around town does not require many shifts.  This is good
since the shifter is definitely one of the weakest points of the car.
(More on this later.)

    While the performance of the engine under 4000 rpms may be
unremarkable, it undergoes a Jekyll/Hyde transformation once you hit
higher revs.  At 4500 rpms, a butterfly valve opens and you can
literally hear and feel the geometry of the engine changing as twelve
more valves open up.  The engine soars to its 7000 rpm redline, and
you are treated to, in my opinion, the sweetest sounding V6 around.
The engine inexplicably sounds OVERJOYED to be at 6500 rpm!

    I've noticed that when I drive around town, I constantly watch the
tach to see how far below 4000 rpm I am.  To go from 2000 rpm to 4000,
you may have to punch the accelerator -- while torque is more than
adequate, it doesn't come fully online until those other 12 valves
are used.

Transmission:

    When _Car and Driver_ first reviewed the car in 1988, they
marvelled at how Ford had put such a wimpy clutch and balky shifter
into the car.  I remember driving a friend's parent's SHO in 1990, and
remember thinking about whether I had the leg strength to drive the
car in traffic -- the clutch was that stiff.  That was back then.

    The entire clutch assembly on my SHO has been replaced under a
Ford recall in 1991.  The clutch on the SHO feels no stiffer than the
one on my Toyota Celica.  In fact, the friction point seems a bit
larger and more forgiving.

    When playing with the shifter with the car parked, the shifter
felt very reasonable.  The 1-2 and 3-4 gates were where you'd expect
it to be, and the shifting action was smooth.  On the road, it's
much the same -- but you have to shift SLOWLY!  Make no mistake, it's
a clumsy shifter.

    When hurrying shifts, like when I was initially trying to impress
friends, I consistently miss the 1-2 shift, often grope clumsily for
the 2-3 shift, and sometimes even muff the 3-4 shift.  I find this
pretty amazing in a car like this.

    It also took me several days to realize that you get the smoothest
shifts when you take your time.  Seems obvious, but compared to my
Toyota and my friend's Honda, this seems atrocious and clumsy.
Someone on rec.autos noted that CRXs should blow SHOs off-the-line
because of the incredibly clumsy shifter.

    I now shift much more sedately, and the shifter seems more
reasonable.  When you play within these bounds, the shifter works
smoothly with no surprises.  I don't know whether the rod shifter
upgrade would help at all.

    Along these same lines, I initially had trouble shifting gears
smoothly.  Again, slowing down the shifts and taking more care to
match revs when letting out the clutch helped immensely.  This took
several days for me to get the hang of.  (I think some of my problems
were because I've never had a car with enough power to balk at bad
shifts in higher gears.)

    Occasionally, I have trouble shifting into reverse.  The shifter
refuses to enter the gate, and I often grind the synchros trying to
get it into gear.  I'll be watching this carefully in the next couple
of months.

    A quirk:  When I upshift and the engine drops back to 1000-2500
rpm, I hear a whirring and then a grinding noise coming from the the
engine compartment.  Not terribly loud, but the passenger can
definitely hear it.  I asked about it when I was looking at the car,
as do all my passengers.  Apparently, this is a definitely a "SHO
sound" and is the gearbox -- apparently called "gear rollover".
Replies to my queries on rec.autos are at the end of this review.

Exterior:

    As I mentioned before, I am astounded by how well the body of this
SHO has stood up.  Paint chipping on the front bumper and grille are
virtually non-existent.  Looking at how older Tauri sometimes
don't age so gracefully, I wonder what the guys at Ford did
differently to the SHO bodies.

    The body, in my opinion, is extremely attractive with matching
color body moldings than the stock Tauri.  For some odd reason, the
SHO seems different enough from vanilla Tauri to get stares at
stoplights -- of course, this could be my overactive imagination.
:-)  SHOs get fog lights, a more open grille, a completely
monochromatic exterior, and a deeper ground skirt in the back with
"SHO" stenciled in relief.  I've seen a couple SHOs whose owners have
colored these in with florescent colors or in black.  Yuck.

    I don't think the car is flashy.  I like it that way.  I feel
almost anonymous with all those Tauri out there, but different and
distinctive enough to those of us who care.  :-)

Interior:

    The interior is what really makes me feel like I don't deserve the
car.  The seats are grey leather, the steering wheel and shifter are
covered with black leather, and the entire instrument panel is done in
a black/grey/metallic scheme.

    The instrumentation is stock Taurus, except for the 140 mph speedo
and 8000 rpm tach.  You get a center console with two cupholders, a
large compartment under the radio (great for a CD player), an armrest
that contains yet another compartment, three appropriately sized coin
holders for tollways (I think), and a compartment for holding
cassette tapes.  There's map-holders in the doors, and an oddly small
glove compartment.

    I spilled a whole can of Coke in the cupholder and was delighted
to find that the entire rubber holder can be removed and washed in a
sink.  Hey, I'm really impressed with the ergonomics and
thoughtfulness that went into its design.  And it's a 1989, before the
interior was upgraded!

    The backseat is bigger than any car I've had.  Why do they need so
much space?  :-)  (No smart-ass comments, please.  :-)

    The driver and passenger seat have lumbar and side bolsters.  From
what I hear, it's not uncommon for the side bolsters to show wear.
Mine is no exception.  The left side bolster on the driver's has
cracked and I'm not convinced the right bolster is inflating all the
way.

    A big surprise for me:  I forgot that SHOs don't have a normal
hand parking brake.  Instead, they have the regular parking brake that
you press with your left foot.  Too bad.  Again, I'm getting used to
it, but it seems a bit anachronistic to me.

Ride:

    The suspension is nice and stiff.  Too stiff?  It's stiffer than
any car I've had.  A friend's new 1993 Toyota Celica ST seems tauter
and is still able to soak up bumps better.  The SHO seems stiffer with
less ability to soak up bumps.  Driving over railroad tracks is a
noisy and jarring affair.  On the other hand, taking turns feels
wonderful because the body is so rigid and doesn't flex at all -- I
listened for that before I bought the car.

    On the highway, the ride is great.  When I drove the car from
Chicago back to Purdue, I had trouble keeping under 85 mph, let alone
from trying to see what 100 mph really feels like.  It's a relatively
quiet ride, but the sunroof rattles.  I've tried to find out what
exactly makes all the noise up there, but it seems to be the window
that rests on the rails.  No easy way to get rid of it, I think.

    Over the past three days, I've oscillated between thinking the
suspension is wonderful and perfect and thinking that the ride is way
too rough.  (Not for me, mind you.  But I wonder whether I would
advise my dad to buy one for himself.)  But, I've discovered, as with
the shifter, if you take your time with shifts, you'll have no reason
to complain.  Let me explain...

    The ride is worst when turning and applying lots of power to the
wheels.  I feel the wheels scrabbling for traction and torque steer
making the car skitter left and right.  After I understood this, I
avoid the limits of traction -- and I'm a happy camper again.

    It's not body rigidity, but the composure of the car.

    As if matching the suspension, the steering feel is quite heavy.
My first impression of driving my SHO was how hard you had to turn the
wheel at highway speeds.  It tracks straight as an arrow, but when
driving around a parking lot, the high-effort steering didn't seem so
useful.  However, it's reasonable, but it doesn't communicate the road
to the driver as well as a 1993 Ford Probe GT.  IMHO, it's much better
than the steering on my Celica ST.

    I wonder how bad this car is during winter?

Miscellaneous notes:

    GRIPES:

    The rattles from the sunroof is intermittent -- some days it rattles
        loudly, other days I look up wondering where all the noise went.

    Activating the sunroof is sometimes very noisy -- loud squealing as
	it retracts on its rails.  I wonder if there is a quick fix for this.
	Again, other days it completely disappears.  (Function of humidity?)

    Once I made the connection between the sometimes awful feeling suspension
	and torque steer, I've never complained about ride.

    I wish the seats had more support under the thighs.  Also, I wish the
	side bolsters would close more tightly.

    I hear that tires for this car can get really expensive.  I
	currently have Goodyear GT+4s that cost the previous owner $500
	for four.

    I used to hate the Ford stereo systems -- whose idea was it
	to use a volume *paddle*?  Now, to my amazement, I don't
	really mind...  and sometimes think it's an okay idea!!!
	Pretty ridiculous, though.

    Getting up to 4000 rpm sometimes seems to be a chore.  But,
	this is no big deal.  There is more than enough torque
	down low.

    I often goof up the shifting when driving with friends.  It
	took me a couple of days before I could really shift
	smoothly from 2nd to 3rd gear.  (Hard to believe, isn't it?)

    My car has almost 93,000 miles on it.  My parents noted that
	it is almost impossible to find a low-mileage SHO.
	Astute observation, IMHO.  I wonder how long I can make
	my SHO last -- I just bought a book titled "Drive It Forever"
	for tips in this department.  :-)

    The goofy parking brake pedal still throws me for a loop.  I once
	parked the car in gear, and then accidentally let out the clutch
	after I started it.  The car jolted forward, and bounced off
	the car in front of me -- no paint damage at all, but starting the car
	is a whole new ritual for me with that fangled pedal!  Also, I began
	to wonder how strong that brake really is.  (Today, I backed out of
	parking spot today and started to drive away before I noticed
	the glowing brake light.  Oops.)

    The driver's power window creaks when closed all the way.  The same
    	thing happens in my parents 1989 Mercury Sable.  Oddly, all the
	other windows work smoothly.

    LIKES:

    I'm liking the interior amenities more and more each day.  The
    	cupholders are great.

    I didn't expect to use the keyless entry buttons so much, but
	it really is handy.  You can lock all the doors by
	pressing the 7/8 and 9/10 buttons together!  Neat!  And
	you can never lock yourself out of the car.

    I really feel like I don't deserve this car.  I really can't
	believe that I could afford it.  I got this car ten years
	ahead of schedule.  :-)

    I love this car so much that I've been telling my parents to
	look into buying one.  I love this car so much that I
	wrote this 13K file -- I meant to write a couple of lines
	and ended up with this.

    If there were a J.D. Powers Survey for used car owners, I would have
	an opportunity to express my incredible satisfaction of owning this
	car.  I don't like thinking about getting another car, but at this
	point in time, I'm sure I'd buy another SHO.  For under $7000, you
	can't beat it.  (Next time with an airbag and ABS, though.)

    Insurance-wise, this car is also a big win.  I pay the same premiums
	as on my 1987 Toyota Celica -- despite that it has nearly twice
	the horsepower.

Other Odds and Ends:

    Much to my amazement, there is no SHO mailing list anywhere.
Maybe because the _SHO Registry_ publication has filled this void.  I
haven't joined yet, but I've noticed that queries about SHOs still
appear on rec.autos about once a month.  Owners of SHOs are always
quick to respond, and are very vocal fans of the cars.  (Maybe some
of the most vocal on rec.autos.  :-)

    I've put together the responses to my questions about the cars, as
well as other posts with useful information on these cars.  I'll be
posting this in the form of a FAQ soon.

    If anyone is interested in starting a mailing list, please speak up!
I don't know if I have the resources here at Purdue to start one, but
maybe someone out there does.


I am happy to announce the first public release of the bit program,
   an INTERACTIVE, FULL COLOR image viewer and editor based on SGI GL.
   Besides typical touchup tasks, such as crop, rotate, smooth, etc,
   bit offers some unique features not available in similar programs,
   such as text and vector support and the separation of text and image.

   The following is the relevant sections from the man page.
   -----------------------------------------------------------------

Pre-Release of May, 1993                                       BIT(1L)

NAME
   bit - Bitmap Image Touchup for SGI Workstations

DESCRIPTION
  bit is an interactive full color image viewer and editor based on
  Silicon Graphics GL. As a full color program, bit handles images of both
  24bits and color index in a natural and efficient manner.

  As an image viewer, bit allows list of images to be displayed in their
  original type (24bits or color index) in any order and in any of the
  many built-in styles of display. You can walk up and down the list using
  mouse and keyboard, or you can let bit do the walk for you (The
  SlideShow).  With the pan and zoom features, large images can be viewed
  in full without being limited by the window or screen size.

  As an image editor, bit performs a large number of image editing and
  processing tasks accurately and efficiently. It keeps information loss
  at any stage of the editing process at an absolute minimum by performing
  subpixel sampling automatically while conserving the input image type
  whenever possible to avoid unnecessary promotion and/or quantization of
  input images. You can also cut a piece of an image and paste it into
  another.  In addition, arbitrarily colored and sized text and simple
  geometric figures can be rendered on top of an image for annotation with
  the option to make them part of the bitmap or output separately to take
  advantage of the higher printer resolutions (e.g. PostScript).

  Bit can also be used as a graphical user interface to many existing
  image processing programs by defining external bindings which in essence
  turn command line oriented programs into bit subfunctions and can be
  accessed by a press of a button, and best of all, the processed image
  will be read back and displayed immediately. Convolution using exter-
  nally defined matrices of arbitrary order can be performed dynamically
  giving great flexibility in processing an image.

FEATURES

  Bit performs all of its image manipulations interactively with a
  continuous progress report, and once the processing is complete,
  the processed image will be displayed.

  Current features include

  o Rotates an image by an arbitrary angle with the option of anti-aliasing
    and filling the "rotated out" region with an arbitrary color.

  o Scales an image by arbitrary factors in x- and/or y-directions with
    the option of subpixel sampling.

  o Renders text of arbitrary color, size or orientation on top of an
    image with the option of rendering directly into the raster or saving
    the text and raster separately, such as into a PostScript file, to
    take advantage of a higher printer resolution. Besides normal text
    strings, many predefined special symbols can be input conveniently as
    in TeX(1), e.g., $\alpha$\small$\beta$ produces Greek alphabet alpha
    followed by a slightly smaller Greek alphabet beta.

  o Presents graphically the histogram of an image.

  o Performs arbitrary 1-to-1 pixel transformation.  The transformation
    function can be specified interactively and can be of arbitrary
    forms. Further, the transformation can be applied to RGB channels
    separately or simultaneously and to the entire image or a portion of
    it. Many difficult tasks, such as thresholding, can be accomplished
    rather easily by 1-to-1 transformation in combination with the avai-
    lability of graphical histograms of the image.

  o Places simple geometric figures (SGFs), e.g., arrows, circles, trian-
    gles etc., of arbitrary color, size and orientation into an image at
    arbitrary locations addressed either in absolute pixels or in some
    user definable coordinate system units, with the option of rendering
    directly into the raster or save the sgfs and raster separately (e.g,
    PostScript file). All SGFs can be scaled in x- and y-directions
    independently or simultaneously (this is how to get an ellipse from a
    circle).

  o Performs edge detection. In combination with image histograms and 1-
    to-1 transformation, very accurate result can be obtained.

  o Performs histogram equalization.

  o Performs convolution with externally defined (square) matrices of
    arbitrary order.

  o Crops a rectangular portion of an image.

  o Cuts and pastes across images.

  o Magnifies any portion of an image by any amount.

  o Displays a list of images in sequence with a user specifiable pause
    interval between images. (SlideShow)

  o Measures RGB intensities of a pixel at any location or all pixels
    along an arbitrary line with the result presented as RGB intensities
    or as an intensity vs. distance plot.

  o Performs image type conversions.

  o Converts image formats.

  o Smoothes an image (Special convolution).

  o Filters an image by external programs and read the filtered image
    back and display it.

  o Modify an individual pixel's RGB values.

  o Performs FFT on the entire image or a portion of it and display the
    resulting power spectra.

  o Spray and brush paint in full color (unavailable in this pre-release).

 SUPPORTED FORMATS
      o  IRIS RGB, native to SGI IRIS
      o  JPEG(JFIF) format
      o  CompuServ GIF
      o  PNM(Portable Any Map), including PPM, PGM and PBM.
      o  XBM (X Window Bitmap)
      o  TIFF
      o  PostScript(Write only)

Hardware requirements:
---------------------------------------------------------------
   Any SGI workstation that supports RGBmode(), including indigoes.

Where to get it:
---------------------------------------------------------------
   anonymous ftp to monte.svec.uh.edu   /pub/bit/bitxxx.tar.Z
   where xxx is the version number. Current version is 0.73

   Read src/01Readme for installation instructions after unpacking

Acknowledgement:
---------------------------------------------------------------
   JPEG support is based on the Independent JPEG groups's library Version 4.
   FORMS library, developed by Mark Overmars, is used for GUI.
   Both JPEG and FORMS library are included in this release.

---------------------------------------------------------------
  Bit is the program you will ever need to view and annotate
  images; The built-in editing features will satisfy most of
  your editing needs. In addition, the external filter and dynamical
  kernel will utilize any program you already have. So try it
  (and you will like it).


That was probably me.
I meant only that nobody has overreacted yet.  It seemed to me that
Jerry was suggesting that people are currently overreacting, and I
vehemently disagree.  I see a lot of talk, but not much action.
I see now that I misunderstood Jerry's position.

Not this bunch.  They'll just bitch on the Net for a while, and
then go back to lurking.

Actually, it's not quite that bad, but it's close.

Look, we (collectively) have the power to throw the bums out, but we
don't use it.  We clearly don't need to go burning things down, but we
clearly do need to throw at least some of the bums out.
Unfortunately, the bums have learned to target only small groups of
people at a single time, so the masses won't react and throw them out.
Eventually, the masses will react, unless the bums cease their
relentless encroachment on liberty and despoilment of the economy.
The sooner it happens, the less the damages will be.  I don't want to
live in a war zone, either -- I want to see the bums thrown out before
they do some *real* damage.


Robert McElwaine is the authoritative source of scientific data on Internet.
He can be reached alt.fan.mc-elwaine...

Spiros


I need to sell two pairs of BladeRunner in-line skates (we don't use them).
One is size 9 and one is size 12.  They are less than a year old and were
used very little, generally in the Corridor.  They are in very good
condition.

They sell at Lechmere for $99.98 (we still have the boxes, if you want
them) and we'd like to get $85/OBO for them.  Please respond by
e-mail.


If that's the ONLY reason, I'd be inclined to doubt whether or not what
they profess is Christianity.  The relationship of faith is based upon
trust.  Fear and trust are generally incompatible.  If my only motivation
is fear, is there room for trust?  If so, there's room for faith.
If fear precludes trust, then there can't be faith.

Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com)
--


Hello,
I heard that a certain disease (toxoplasmosys?) is transmitted by cats which
can harm the unborn fetus. Does anybody know about it? Is it a problem to
have a cat in the same apartment?

Thanks


This comes indirectly from Al Morgani who works in the studio
for ESPN hockey.

	The management of ESPN was reluctant to leave the Pitt-NJ game
(even though the outcome was certain) because of fear of the Wash-Ny game
going to overtime.  When the Caps scored with :02 left to tie the game, Al said
he heard many people say f**K .!#$%.
	ESPN is under contractual obligation to show baseball and COULD NOT
broadcast the OT of the hockey game.  Next year, ESPN2 will be introduced so
baseball fans can watch baseball and hockey fans can watch hockey.

	GET OFF ESPN'S BACK AND STOP POSTING ARTICLES ON THIS SUBJECT!!!
There have been to many f****n complainers about this game that it's making me
sick.


Well, I'm not going to quote the message, but anyhow...

                Mail fraud is a FEDERAL OFFENCE!  PUNNISHABLE BY TIME AND
                        >>> BIG <<<
                    > > >  B I G  < < <
                         F I N E S
                          ! ! ! !
          What you can do is contact the local authorities in Arizona
where this scammer resides, inform them of the situation (if you have
proof of the transaction, that would also help), and they should be able
to take it from there.

        Yeah, this guy CAN get heavily penalized for this.  Don't think
that just because you have never met he cannot be prosecuted.

                !!! TAKE HIM  > D O W N < !!!

    ... hope I'm not being too foreward?...

  _________________________________________________
  Inspiration  |   ___                             |
  comes to     |  \   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |
  those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |
  seek the     |   /-\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |
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That was Clint Malarchuk.  That was a very dangerous accident.  He could he
died right there on the ice.  However, he has played since
but I don't know where he is now.  I think he is still playing but I'm
not positive.  He was a Sabre at the time.
I don't know who skated into him though.

I remember a couple of seasons before the Malarchuk incident Borje
Salming of Toronto fell down in the crease and someone skated into
his face.  That took a lot of stiches to fix.


   It was implied in the first technical posting by Dorothy Denning that the
FBI would do the decryption *for* the law enforcement agencies.  It wasn't
clear to me from the post whether this would be done in realtime or not, or
whether the FBI would just decrypt the session keys for the locals, or would
do the whole message.

   One thing I'm a bit puzzled by:  Why aren't they doing this with a public
key scheme of some sort?  You could generate two uniqe public/private pairsor
for each chip.  Then, escrow the private keys with the escrow agencies.  Set
the protocol up to encrypt the session key with both public keys.  To decrypt
a message, both escrow agencies (in the right order, for most PK schemes)
have to decrypt with the escrowed private key.  This way, there wouldn't be
thecconcern that, once the police had asked fo  a warrant/wiretap, they
would have your key forver.


A really sad op-ed appeared in my school's newpaper today.  It
claimed that full-auto weapons are illegal in the U.S.
I understand that full-auto weapons made and registered before
May 19, 1986 are still legal in 40 of the 50 states.  Is
Texas one of those states?

Can anyone point me to a source for info on how many people have been
killed by legal full-auto weapons in the U.S.?

And finally, I think it would be great if anyone was keeping a digest
of facts on the Waco incident.  In particular, I would like a source
for the FBI/BATF mentioning the supposed methamphetamine lab, and
information on the beginning of the raid, specifically BATF
lies.

I am also interested in past BATF no-knock warrents which have lead
to personal and property damage against innocent citizens.

I intend to put together a reply to this op-ed very soon.  The author
of the piece states he wants to work for the BATF.  gack!


	The Libertarians believe in getting the government off the
backs of the people, so that the free market can solve problems.

	Libertarians believe in an end to the welfare state, an end to
government subsidies of all sorts.  The basic idea is that the
government is way too big and way too expensive, and should be shrunk
down to a reasonable size.

	They also believe in a complete end to foreign aid, including
the stationing of American troops overseas.  We can not and should not
be policing the world.

	I agree that the people who come into this group and describe
themselves as Libertarians seem to posses the charictaristics you
describe, but heck, we're not all like this.  I'm a libertarian, and
I've got a great sense of humor! :)

Adam

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


I don't know.  I think Phil Plantier has the ugliest stance.  He looks like
he's sitting on the toilet.


CALL FOR VOTES

This is the official 2nd Call For Votes for this newsgroup.

NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP:
==========================

     soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya

CHARTER:
=======

     A religious newsgroup, which would mainly be devoted to
fostering an understanding and appraisal of the Ahmadiyya Muslim
Community, its beliefs, ideology and philosophy. It will also
discuss the distinction between Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and
other branches of Islam.

     In addition this newsgroup will also discuss the beliefs,
teachings, and philosophy of all the other major religions to pro-
mote universal religious appreciation, awareness, and tolerance.

     The newsgroup may also be used to post important religious
events within the world wide Ahmadiyya Islamic Community.

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====================

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PURPOSE OF THE NEWSGROUP:
========================

    The following are the main purposes this group shall achieve:

    i)    To highlight the common beliefs of all major religions
          and philosophical traditions as they relate to Ahmadiyya
          Muslim Community.

    ii)   To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings the Ahmad-
          iyya Muslim Community, a dynamic world-wide movement.

    iii)  To expound Islamic teachings and beliefs in the Holy
          Quran and Islamic traditions from the Ahmadiyya Islamic
          perspective.

    iv)   To emphasize and discuss the similarities between Ahmadi
          Muslims and followers of other religions of the world and
          to explore how understanding and respect for each other's
          faith can be brought about to eliminate religious intol-
          erance and malice among people of all religious and phil-
          osophical traditions.

    v)    To look into the origin and teachings of all religions in
          general and of Islam and Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement in par-
          ticular, and to use the commonality of origin to foster
          better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and other people
          and to promote an acceptance of universality of fundamental
          rights to the freedom of conscience.

    vi)   To point out current world problems and suggest solutions
          to these problems, as offered by different religions and
          systems of ethical philosophies.

    vii)  To investigate the implications of science on religion
          with particular emphasis on the Ahmadi Muslim perspective,
          but with openness to dialogue with people of all religions
          and philosophical traditions with reasoned positions as to
          the relationship between religion and empirical science,
          logic, and scientific ethics.

    viii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya
          Muslim Community and of other religions.

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          sent on Usenet in the interest of promoting a forum for
          decorous dialogue.

    x)    To inquire why religious persecution is on the rise in the
          world and suggest solutions to remedy the ever deterior-
          ating situation in the world in general and in the Islamic
          world in particular.

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          world peace made by the founders and followers of all
          religions in general and by the International Ahmadiyya
          Muslim community in particular.

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A  BRIEF  DESCRIPTION  ABOUT  AHMADIYYA  ISLAM:
===============================================

        The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi-
sation, was found in 1889 in Qadian, India. The founder of this
movement, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), was proclaimed to
be the Promised Reformer of this age as foretold in the Scriptures
of almost all major religions of the world. He claimed to be the
fulfillment of the long awaited second comming of Jesus Christ
(metaphorically), the Muslim Mahdi, and the Promised Messiah.

        The claims of Hazrat Ahmad raised storms of hostility and
extreme opposition, which are often witnessed in the history of
divine reformers. Even today this sect is being persecuted especial-
ly in some of the Muslim regimes. The right of Ahmadi Muslims to
openly practice their religion and to define themselves as Muslims
has been severely restricted in many Muslim Countries. The United
Nations, human rights organizations such as Amnesty International
and top leaderships of some countries have voiced their concerns
against this denial of basic human and civil liberaties to the
members of this movement, but so far to no avail.

        Despite the opposition and persecution, the movement cont-
inues to grow with a current membership of millions from around the
world in over 130 countries, who come from diverse ethnic and cul-
tural backgrounds.

        The movement is devoted to world peace and strives towards
developing a better understanding of all religions. Ahmadi Muslims
have always been opposed to all forms of violence, bigotry, reli-
gious intolerance and fundamentalism.

        Among its many philanthropic activities, the sect has es-
tablished a network of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and clinics
in many third world countries. These institutions are staffed by
volunteer professionals and are fully financed by the movement's
internal resources. The movement stresses the importance of educa-
tion and leadership. Its members have included a high number of
professionals as well as world class individuals.

        The Ahmadiyya mission is to bring about a universal moral
reform, establish peace and justice, and to unite mankind under
one universal brotherhood.

NEWSGROUP CREATION:
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=====================

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     Nabeel A. Rana  <rana@rintintin.colorado.edu>


	What you are trying to describe is that transition point where
	the front wheel actually reverses direction; turns backwards.


Not to mention that Lankford had been hurt two nights before running
into the outfield wall. This being the reason he was available to pinch-
anything.  His ribs were the problem so he could run but not hit.
Torre is no white rat but give him credit for what he is , a pretty darn
good manager. with the exception of the Felix fiasco, but i'm not sure
who's brainchild that was.
                       -BIL


After hearing endless debate (READ: name-calling) over which os is better, dos
and windows or OS/2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple
of different operating systems, I have decided to put the two products to a
head to head test, as so many fellow newsposters have suggested.  I have,
however, no desire whatsoever to use a version of os/2 which wont REALLY
do what it says (i.e. run windows apps)  OS/2 2.0-2.1 will not run windows
apps in 386 enhansed mode, something that most larger windows apps require, but
OS/2 2.2, which is supposed to be in beta test, is supposed to.  I have heard
that os/2 2.2 beta is available via ftp, and I was wondering if anyone knew
where to obtain a copy.  I would appreciate any information, as I would like,
once and for all, to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs.


I couldn't agree more.  The Jays have a lot of power in their line-up.
So far pitching has been the biggest problem.  Maybe we can get Acker back? :-)

One incident that sticks out in my mind was when Derek Bell ran back out on
to the feild after the Jays had won the division and all the players were
back in the clubhouse.  Bell ran around the field with his arms in the air,
waving a big towel over his head.  He looked like a big jerk, especially
when you consider he did not contribute much to the team over the whole
season.  The next day, Winfield and Carter somehow got the keys to Bell's
Jeep and brought it out on to the feild before the game started.  The stadium
announcer said that there was going to be a draw later in the game for Bell's
jeep.  Bell really freaked out. I don't think Bell was to popular after that.

I think that Jackson might be trying a little too hard right now.  He's known
for being a great outfielder,  and he's not the only Blue Jay who has been
booting balls and playing generally awful.

andrew


WARNING WARNING MAY CAUSE UNPLEASANTNESS!

It's a "make before break" type of switch.  If not required, it ought to be
for high-low beams.

There might be a wee problem with this.  If you use both filaments at the
same time, the bulb is tossing out a great deal more heat than normal.
Possibly enough to shorten it's life span.  My Honda CRX cage [a cage that
really wanted to be a bike] had wimpy stock lights.  So we used to run
around with both beams on.  Made a mucho big difference - until both low
beam filaments died nearly simultaneously!  This was two weeks after
finding out how nice it was to use both beams.  I replaced the lights with
quartz-halogen lights and that ended the problem.


I'm curious to know if Christians ever read books based on critique
on the religion, classical text such as "Age of Reason" by Paine,
or "The Myth Maker" by Jacobi. Sometimes it is good to know your
enemy, and if you want to do serious research you have to understand
both sides, and not solely the one and only right one.

Cheers,
Kent


Here are the NHL's alltime leaders in goals and points at the end of
the 1992-3 season. Again, much thanks to Joseph Achkar.

Carl

Notes: An active player is a player that has scored at least one
point the past season.  The points leaders follow the goal leaders.
If you find any mistakes, please send me email.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

All time NHL leading goal scorers (* denotes active player):

  1.  Gordie Howe          Det-Hfd                            801
  2. *Wayne Gretzky        Edm-LA                             765
  3.  Marcel Dionne        Det-LA-NYR                         731
  4.  Phil Esposito        Chi-Bos-NYR                        717
  5.  Bobby Hull           Chi-Wpg-Hfd                        610
  6. *Mike Gartner         Wsh-Min-NYR                        583
  7.  Mike Bossy           NYI                                573
  8.  Guy Lafleur          Mtl-NYR-Que                        560
  9.  Johnny Bucyk         Det-Bos                            556
 10.  Maurice Richard      Mtl                                544
 11.  Stan Mikita          Chi                                541
 12.  Frank Mahovlich      Tor-Det-Mtl                        533
 13. *Michel Goulet        Que-Chi                            532
 14. *Jari Kurri           Edm-LA                             524
 15.  Bryan Trottier       NYI-Pit                            520
 16.  Gilbert Perreault    Buf                                512
 17.  Jean Beliveau        Mtl                                507
 18.  Lanny McDonald       Tor-Col-Cgy                        500
 19.  Jean Ratelle         NYR-Bos                            491
 20.  Norm Ullman          Det-Tor                            490
 21. *Dino Ciccarelli      Min-Wsh-Det                        485
 22.  Darryl Sittler       Tor-Phi-Det                        484
 23. *Mario Lemieux        Pit                                477
 24. *Glenn Anderson       Edm-Tor                            459
 25.  Alex Delvecchio      Det                                456
 26. *Mark Messier         Edm-NYR                            452
 27. *Dale Hawerchuk       Wpg-Buf                            449
 28.  Rick Middleton       NYR-Bos                            448
 29. *Steve Yzerman        Det                                445
 30. *Peter Stastny        Que-NJ                             444
 31.  Rick Vaive           Van-Tor-Chi-Buf                    441
 32. *Joe Mullen           StL-Cgy-Pit                        433
 33.  Yvan Cournoyer       Mtl                                428
 34. *Dave Taylor          LA                                 427
 35.  Steve Shutt          Mtl-LA                             424
 36. *Denis Savard         Chi-Mtl                            423
 37.  Bill Barber          Phi                                420
 38. *Brian Propp          Phi-Bos-Min                        413
 39.  Gary Unger           Tor-Det-StL-Atl-LA-Edm             413
 40.  Rod Gilbert          NYR                                406
 41. *Steve Larmer         Chi                                406
 42. *John Ogrodnick       Det-Que-NYR                        402
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Other active players:
     *Bernie Nicholls      LA-NYR-Edm-NJ                      397
     *Pat LaFontaine       NYI-Buf                            386
     *Brian Bellows        Min-Mtl                            382
     *Dave Andreychuk      Buf-Tor                            373
     *Tim Kerr             Phi-NYR-Hfd                        370
     *Bobby Smith          Min-Mtl                            357
     *Brett Hull           Cgy-StL                            356
     *Luc Robitaille       LA                                 353
     *Mike Foligno         Det-Buf-Tor                        351
     *Dave Christian       Wpg-Wsh-Bos-StL-Chi                340
     *Paul Coffey          Edm-Pit-LA-Det                     330
     *Brent Sutter         NYI-Chi                            325
     *Pat Verbeek          NJ-Hfd                             318
     *Ron Francis          Hfd-Pit                            311
     *Cam Neely            Van-Bos                            292
     *Ray Bourque          Bos                                291
     *Bob Carpenter        Wsh-NYR-LA-Bos-Tor                 285
     *Brent Ashton         Van-Col-NJ-Min-Que-Det-Wpg-Bos-Cgy 284
     *Doug Gilmour         Stl-Cgy-Tor                        277
     *Rick Tocchet         Phi-Pit                            277
     *Kevin Dineen         Hfd-Phi                            275
     *Tomas Sandstrom      NYR-LA                             273
     *Dale Hunter          Que-Wsh                            269
     *Ryan Walter          Wsh-Mtl-Van                        264
     *Brian Mullen         Wpg-NYR-SJ-NYI                     260
     *Ed Olczyk            Chi-Tor-Wpg-NYR                    260
     *Kirk Muller          NJ-Mtl                             258
     *Joe Nieuwendyk       Cgy                                257
     *Jimmy Carson         LA-Edm-Det                         254

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All time NHL scoring leaders (* denotes active player):

  1. *Wayne Gretzky        Edm-LA                             765 1563 2328
  2.  Gordie Howe          Det-Hfd                            801 1049 1850
  3.  Marcel Dionne        Det-LA-NYR                         731 1040 1771
  4.  Phil Esposito        Chi-Bos-NYR                        717  873 1590
  5.  Stan Mikita          Chi                                541  926 1467
  6.  Bryan Trottier       NYI-Pit                            520  890 1410
  7.  Johnny Bucyk         Det-Bos                            556  813 1369
  8.  Guy Lafleur          Mtl-NYR-Que                        560  793 1353
  9.  Gilbert Perreault    Buf                                512  814 1326
 10.  Alex Delvecchio      Det                                456  825 1281
 11.  Jean Ratelle         NYR-Bos                            491  776 1267
 12. *Mark Messier         Edm-NYR                            452  780 1232
 13.  Norm Ullman          Det-Tor                            490  739 1229
 14. *Peter Stastny        Que-NJ                             444  777 1221
 15.  Jean Beliveau        Mtl                                507  712 1219
 16. *Dale Hawerchuk       Wpg-Buf                            449  763 1212
 17.  Bobby Clarke         Phi                                358  852 1210
 18. *Paul Coffey          Edm-Pit-LA-Det                     330  871 1201
 19. *Denis Savard         Chi-Mtl                            423  769 1192
 20. *Jari Kurri           Edm-LA                             524  666 1190
 21. *Mario Lemieux        Pit                                477  697 1174
 22.  Bobby Hull           Chi-Wpg-Hfd                        610  560 1170
 23.  Bernie Federko       StL                                369  761 1130
 24.  Mike Bossy           NYI                                573  553 1126
 25. *Michel Goulet        Que-Chi                            532  590 1122
 26.  Darryl Sittler       Tor-Phi-Det                        484  637 1121
 27. *Mike Gartner         Wsh-Min-NYR                        583  524 1107
 28.  Frank Mahovlich      Tor-Det-Mtl                        533  570 1103
 29. *Ray Bourque          Bos                                291  806 1099
 30. *Dave Taylor          LA                                 427  635 1062
 31.  Denis Potvin         NYI                                310  742 1052
 32.  Henri Richard        Mtl                                358  688 1046
 33. *Steve Yzerman        Det                                445  595 1040
 34. *Bobby Smith          Min-Mtl                            357  679 1036
 35.  Rod Gilbert          NYR                                406  615 1021
 36. *Glenn Anderson       Edm-Tor                            459  559 1018
 37.  Lanny McDonald       Tor-Col-Cgy                        500  506 1006
 38.  Rick Middleton       NYR-Bos                            448  540  988
 39.  Dave Keon            Tor-Hfd                            396  590  986
 40. *Ron Francis          Hfd-Pit                            311  675  986
 41. *Bernie Nicholls      LA-NYR-Edm-NJ                      397  580  977
 42. *Brian Propp          Phi-Bos-Min                        413  561  974
 43.  Andy Bathgate        NYR-Tor-Det-Pit                    349  624  973
 44.  Maurice Richard      Mtl                                544  421  965
 45.  Larry Robinson       Mtl-LA                             208  750  958
 46. *Dino Ciccarelli      Min-Wsh-Det                        485  472  957
 47. *Steve Larmer         Chi                                406  517  923
 48. *Joe Mullen           StL-Cgy-Pit                        433  486  919
 49.  Bobby Orr            Bos-Chi                            270  645  915
 50.  Brad Park            NYR-Bos-Det                        213  683  896
 51.  Butch Goring         LA-NYI-Bos                         375  513  888
 52.  Bill Barber          Phi                                420  463  883
 53.  Dennis Maruk         Cal-Cle-Wsh-Min                    356  521  877
 54.  Ivan Boldirev        Bos-Cal-Chi-Atl-Van-Det            361  505  866
 55.  Yvan Cournoyer       Mtl                                428  435  863
 56.  Dean Prentice        NYR-Bos-Det-Pit-Min                391  469  860
 57.  Ted Lindsay          Det-Chi                            379  472  851
 58.  Tom Lysiak           Atl-Chi                            292  551  843
 59. *Dale Hunter          Que-Wsh                            269  570  839
 60.  John Tonelli         NYI-Cgy-LA-Chi-Que                 325  511  836
 61.  Jacques Lemaire      Mtl                                366  469  835
 62. *Larry Murphy         LA-Wsh-Min-Pit                     203  631  834
 63. *John Ogrodnick       Det-Que-NYR                        402  425  827
 64. *Doug Wilson          Chi-SJ                             237  590  827
 65. *Doug Gilmour         Stl-Cgy-Tor                        277  548  825
 66.  Red Kelly            Det-Tor                            281  542  823
 67.  Pierre Larouche      Pit-Mtl-Hfd-NYR                    395  427  822
 68.  Bernie Geoffrion     Mtl-NYR                            393  429  822
 69.  Steve Shutt          Mtl-LA                             424  393  817
 70. *Phil Housley         Buf-Wpg                            242  575  817
 71.  Wilf Paiment         KC-Col-Tor-Que-NYR-Buf-Pit         356  458  814
 72.  Peter McNab          Buf-Bos-Van-NJ                     363  450  813
 73. *Brian Bellows        Min-Mtl                            382  428  810
 74. *Dave Andreychuk      Buf-Tor                            373  436  809
 75.  Pit Martin           Det-Bos-Chi-Van                    324  485  809
 76. *Pat LaFontaine       NYI-Buf                            386  421  807
 77.  Ken Linesman         Phi-Edm-Bos                        256  551  807
 78.  Gary Unger           Tor-Det-StL-Atl-LA-Edm             413  391  804
 79.  Ken Hodge,Sr         Chi-Bos-NYR                        328  472  800
 80. *Neal Broten          Min                                249  547  796
 81.  Wayne Cashman        Bos                                277  516  793
 82.  Rick Vaive           Van-Tor-Chi-Buf                    441  347  788
 83.  Borje Salming        Tor-Det                            150  637  787
 84.  Jean Pronovost       Pit-Atl-Wsh                        391  383  774
 85.  Peter Mahovlich      Det-Mtl-Pit                        288  485  773
 86. *Dave Christian       Wpg-Wsh-Bos-StL-Chi                340  430  770
 87.  Rick Kehoe           Tor-Pit                            371  396  767
 88.  Rick MacLeish        Phi-Hfd-Pit-Det                    349  410  759
 89. *Thomas Steen         Wpg                                240  511  751
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Other active players:
     *Al MacInnis          Cgy                                185  555  740
     *Luc Robitaille       LA                                 353  371  724
     *Mike Foligno         Det-Buf-Tor                        351  367  718
     *Brent Sutter         NYI-Chi                            325  389  714
     *Mark Howe            Hfd-Phi-Det                        192  520  712
     *Kirk Muller          NJ-Mtl                             258  433  691
     *Tim Kerr             Phi-NYR-Hfd                        370  304  674
     *Adam Oates           Det-StL-Bos                        167  490  657
     *Randy Carlyle        Tor-Pit-Wpg                        148  499  647
     *Ryan Walter          Wsh-Mtl-Van                        264  382  646
     *Pat Verbeek          NJ-Hfd                             318  313  631
     *Brent Ashton         Van-Col-NJ-Min-Que-Det-Wpg-Bos-Cgy 284  345  629
     *Bob Carpenter        Wsh-NYR-LA-Bos-Tor                 285  337  622
     *Brian Mullen         Wpg-NYR-SJ-NYI                     260  362  622
     *Ed Olczyk            Chi-Tor-Wpg-NYR                    260  358  618
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Of course not. I would think that would be great _fun_, not having ever
felt the joy and peace the Christians speak of with a longing gaze.
This is not what I got when I believed - I just tried to hide my fear
of getting punished for something I never was sure of. The Bible is
hopelessly confusing for someone who wants to know for sure. God did
not answer. In the end, I found I had been following a mass delusion,
a lie. I can't believe in a being who refuses to give a slightest hint
of her existence.

I suggest they should honestly reconsider the reasons why they believe
and analyse their position. In fact, it is amusing to note in this
context that many fundamentalist publications tell us exactly the
opposite - one should not examine one's belief critically.

I'll tell you something I left out of my 'testimony' I posted to this
group two months ago. A day after I finally found out my faith is over,
I decided to try just one more time. The same cycle of emotional
responses fired once again, but this time the delusion lasted only
a couple of hours. I told my friend in a phone that it really works,
thank god, just to think about it again when I hung up. I had to admit
that I had lied, and fallen prey to the same illusion.

I used to believe what I read in books when I was younger, or what
other people told me, but I grew more and more skeptical the more I
read. I learned what it means to use _reason_.

As a student of chemistry, I had to perform a qualitative analysis
of a mixture of two organic compounds in the lab. I _hated_ experiments
like this - they are old-fashioned and increase the student's workload
considerably. Besides, I had to do it twice, since I failed in my first
attempt. However, I think I'll never forget the lesson:

No matter how strongly you believe the structure of the unknown is X,
it may still be Y. It is _very_ tempting to jump into conclusions, take
a leap of faith, assure oneself, ignore the data which is inconsistent.
But it can still be wrong.

I found out that I was, after all, using exactly the same mechanism
to believe in god - mental self-assurance, suspension of fear,
filtering of information. In other words, it was only me, no god
playing any part.

Oh? And I had better believe this? Dan, many UFO stories are much better
documented than the resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection is documented
quite haphazardly in the Bible - it seems the authors did not pay too
much attention to which wild rumour to leave out. Besides, the ends of
the gospels probably contain later additions and insertions; for instance,
the end of Mark (16:9-20) is missing from many early texts, says my Bible.

Jesus may have lived and died, but he was probably misunderstood.

This is easy. I believe that the world exists independent of my mind,
and that logic and reason can be used to interpret and analyse what I
observe. Nothing else need to be taken on faith, I will go by the
evidence.

It makes no difference whether I believe George Washington existed or not.
I assume that he did, considering the vast amount of evidence presented.

A liar, how do you know what my attitude was? Try reading your Bible
again.

I was willing to die for my faith. Those who do are usually remembered
as heroes, at least among those who believe. Dan, do you think I'm
lying when I say I believed firmly for 15 years? It seems it is
very difficult to admit that someone who has really believed does not
do so anymore. But I can't go on lying to myself.

Blind trust is dangerous, and I was just another blind led by the blind.
But if god really wants me, she'll know what to do. I'm willing. I just
don't know whether she exists - looking at the available evidence,
it looks like she doesn't.

Petri


Greetings. I've recently decided to chuck the linear regulators
	and learn the "black magic" art of switching power supplies...
	(before anyone flames me, I KNOW, both have their place :-)

	Anyways, I've built the basic up & down converters with pretty
	good results (>80% efficiency) but I'm running into problems
	when I try to design & build anything that puts out serious
	amps... I know it can be done (I have some 5V@200A guts on my
	bench) but something puzzles me: I'm using a simple choke as
	the storage element (basicly a toroid with a single winding)
	but ALL commercial models use transformers with MANY windings.
	I traced a few and they seem to use some of the winding for
	the usual error/feedback but some of the others seem to loose
	me... What are they for? Better than that, anyone have a full
	schematic for one of these that I could get a copy of? I'd
	love to see how they manage to squeeze out so much from such
	low volume :-)

	My other problems (in getting high amps & good efficiency) are
	1) Lack of sources of ideal components (calculated) and 2)
	Limited knowledge of the whole topic... I'm doing this on my
	own (not school) mind you (in fact, I have yet to take any
	course that covers transistors ;-)

	So, is the answer to #1 the accumulation of dead commercial
	models and truning into a scavanger (not that it's not what
	I'm doing now...) and #2 getting & understanding schematics
	and a bit more of the [mind-boggling] theory?

	Take care.

	P.S. My goal is 12V @ ~25A in (car battery) -> 250VAC out and
	(on the other end) 250V -> +5VDC @ 5A, -5V @ 1A, +12VDC @8A
	and -12VDC @1A... the distance between the two will be
	more than 100 feet (of 14-16 gauge) but less than 300 feet.
	Would like to have a working model in a year or so... :-)
	(Do I have a chance to make it?)


So when they took the time to *copy* *the* *text* correctly, that includes
"obvious corruptions?"

So when they took the time to *copy* *the* *text* correctly, that does not
exclude "variant readings from the masoretic text" which are "of little
theological import"

Hey, you're the expert.


	I keep hearing people say this.  It assumes that we, at some point,
	had a choice at the ballot box: "Vote yes or no I want the FBI
	and BATF to become latter-day Gestapos".  That just isn't so.
	The process is far more complex.  We do not have direct control over
	the bureaucracy.  When we evaluate our representatives we don't often
	know what their contribution is to the wayward direction of the
	federal law enforcement bureacracy.  To assert that we got what
	we wanted is absurd.

	Oh, good I feel much better now. ;-)


	Why sell them at a low price to poor people immediately?  The NRA
is an educational organization too, after all, and it would be a shame
to pay all that money for new guns when these cheap guns would allow a
lot of money thus saved to be used in opening more classes.  Mention
that the NRA trains our boys in blue and you've got the media between
a rock and a hard place.

	"City pays $50 per gun to reduce crime."
			or
	"NRA to pay $50 per gun to provide training guns for police
	 and citizens.  Classes expanded with money saved."


Count me in for $1000.00.

Allan Lockridge

My Opinions are my own and are not for sale.


I have the following Macintosh software for sale.  Email me if interested, or
for complete descriptions.  All prices are negotiable, but first offer at
asking price gets it.

Prices include First Class, 2-day shipping!!! (Outside U.S. extra)

OIDS                     $20
Expert Color Paint       $20
RoboSport                $25
Harpoon                  $25
Stratego                 $30 (Accolade version, authorized by Milton Bradley)
One-on-One (Dr. J/Bird)  $15 (Original version, 68000 machines only)
MacFoxes                 $25 (Adult game)
Strip Poker & Blackjack  $25 (Adult game)

-Justin (jslauson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

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