speaking of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin:

Yes.  For examples of this in the writings of the early fathers, consider:

    You alone and your Mother
        are more beautiful than any others;
    For there is no blemish in you,
        nor any stains upon your Mother.
    Who of my children
        can compare in beauty to these?
                -- St. Ephrem the Syrian, Nisibene Hymns, 27:8, around
                   A.D. 370

    Lift me up not from Sara but from Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled
    but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin.
                -- St. Ambrose, "Commentary on Psalm 118", 22:30, ca. A.D. 388

There are many others.

No.  We have, for instance:

    Was there ever anyone of any breeding who dared to speak the name of
    Holy Mary, and being questioned, did not immediately add, "the Virgin"?
    ... And to Holy Mary, Virgin is invariably added, for that Holy Woman
    remains undefiled.
                -- St. Epiphanus of Salamis, "Panacea against all heresies",
                   between A.D. 374-377.

    We surely cannot deny that you were right in correcting the doctrine
    about children of Mary ... For the Lord Jesus would not have chosen
    to be born of a virgin if He had judged that she would be so incontinent
    as to taint the birthplace of the Body of the Lord, home of the Eternal
    King, with the seed of human intercourse.  Anyone who proposes this is
    merely proposing ... that Christ could not be born of a virgin.
                -- Pope St. Siricius, Letter to Anysius, Bishop of
                   Thessalonica, A.D. 392

Note that St. Augustine's conversion to Christianity was in A.D. 387.  I
don't know offhand when his election as bishop of Hippo was, but I'm quite
sure it was after 392.  The belief in Mary's perpetual virginity originated
long before Augustine's time.  We hold that it originated with the
Apostles.

Strictly speaking, however, Mary's perpetual virginity is independent
of her Immaculate Conception.  Mary could have been Immaculately
Conceived and not remained a virgin; she could have remained a virgin
and not been Immaculately Conceived.

No.  It has been held in the Church since ancient times that original
sin was transmitted at conception, when a person's life begins.
Biology had nothing to do with it.  Prayerfully reflecting on the
truth of Mary's sinlessness, and the means by which God could have
achieved this, the Church arrived at the truth of the Immaculate
Conception.  Thus, the Immaculate Conception is not a new doctrine,
but the logical result of our understanding of two old ones.

The celebration of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception itself was
given by Pope Sixtus IV (1471-84) and the Feast was made a precept
feast of the Church by Pope Clement XI (1700-21).

No.  First of all, Lourdes is private revelation, and doctrine is not
based on private revelation.  The most that private revelation can do
is enhance and deepen our understanding of existing public revelation,
which ended with the death of St. John the Apostle.

Second, the "case for the doctrine" was irreformably sealed in 1854
with the ex cathedra promulgation of the Bull "Ineffabilis Deus" by
Pope Pius IX.  This meant that the doctrine was formally recognized as
a dogma; a dogma, by definition, cannot change and is required to be
believed by the faithful.

The apparition at Lourdes happened in 1858, four years later.  The most
that might be claimed is that Lourdes gave the infallible proclamation
of 1854 a sort of heavenly stamp of approval, but the Church has never
claimed that, nor shall she.

In Christ's Peace,

Brad Kaiser
(bradk@isdgsm.eurpd.csg.mot.com)


jsn104 is jeremy scott noonan


Recently I got a case of Hot Shots '93 cards.  Unfortunately I had
not planned on keeping all of them.  I sort of got stuck with the
case.  (I'm not going to mention any names, though.)

So, I am trying to sell off most or all (minus a set for myself).

If you have any interest in a set, a box, or any singles, please let
me know.

The set has 250 cards.  Each card features a great looking woman in
various stages of dress.  Some nude, semi-nude, lingerie, dressed.
99 percent are gorgeous, I feel.

There are 4 subsets:

Girl, Girl, Girls   1 through 9
Promo cards   251 through 259 (also numbered 1 of 9 through 9 of 9)
Emperor's All-Stars   269 through 277
Stripping Empress   260 through 268

Also, I am supposed to be getting some holograms soon as well.

Oh, and lastly, I have a very few error cards and a few cards
that were originally intended to be used as card #1, but the
company changed their mind.  None of these cards are easy to get.

Anyway, if you have some interest in any of these cards, please
drop me a line, as I am most eager to sell a bunch off.

Oh, and if you are interested, I also have 1 set of Hot Shots '92
left, and about 2 sets of California Dreaming cards as well.

And lastly, I have promo cards for all of the cards I have
mentioned, and holograms as well.  Not a lot, though.

John Heiden
al166@cleveland.freenet.edu


  Steve Tuttle was traded from the Blues to TB in the before the start of this
season along with Pat Jablonski, for future considerations. He played for
Milwaukee of the IHL, then got traded from TB to QUE along with Michel Mongeau.
He's currently playing with Halifax of the AHL.


Now where did I put my little red book?  Or was that green?

Jim


	Yep! I did one yesterday on my shaftie Vision... I should mention
that I had a pillon that helped rotate the bike over :-) . The wheelie was
the result of a necessarily agressive acceleration manouver through an
intersection (damn San Antonio cagers tend to be REALLY bad drivers).

	However, I have done one by myself, it just takes a lot of
pre-clutch dump rev action.


HI

I`m looking for some assistance in locating information on how to run
win 3.1 on a CGA monitor. The setup suggests you look at the manual, but
the guy I`m helping is part of a large office and computer assistance
must be booked in advance, therefore he cant get windows onto his CGA
system.

Thanx in anticipation


Hello,

Below I have the copy of some source I am using to setup a user-specified color-
map for X R11 V4. I am attempting to create user defined colors in terms of
RGB color ranges. The calls to XAllocColor prove ineffective.

Variables are defined are as follows:

    int                 i, j, k, lut_index
    color_type          min_image, max_image;
    color_type          image Pixel_Value_Range, last_image, start, end, jump,
                        lut [ 512 ];
    unsigned long       pixel;
    double              red, green, blue;

/*
 * Data structure used by color operations
 *
typedef struct {
        unsigned long pixel;
        unsigned short red, green, blue;
        char flags;  /-* do_red, do_green, do_blue *-/
        char pad;
} XColor;
***************/
    XColor              rgbcolor, hardwarecolor;

With color_type defined as { double red, double green, double blue }.

What I need to know is how to set [is it possible] the values in hardwarecolor
to work within the call to XAllocColor:

    start.red = (int) 255 * min_image.red;	/* 0..255 */
    end.red   = (int) 255 * max_image.red;	/* 0..255 */
    jump.red  = (int) (( end.red - start.red ) / 7);

    start.green = (int) 255 * min_image.green;  /* 0..255 */
    end.green   = (int) 255 * max_image.green;  /* 0..255 */
    jump.green  = (int) (( end.green - start.green ) / 7);

    start.blue = (int) 255 * min_image.blue;    /* 0..255 */
    end.blue   = (int) 255 * max_image.blue;    /* 0..255 */
    jump.blue  = (int) (( end.blue - start.blue ) / 7);

    lut_index = 0;
    for (i=0; i<8; i++)
        for (j=0; j<8; j++)
            for (k=0; k<8; k++)
                {
                if ( i == 0 || jump.red < 1 )
                    lut [ lut_index ].red = start.red;
                else
                    lut [ lut_index ].red = jump.red * i - 1;

                if ( j == 0 || jump.green < 1 )
                    lut [ lut_index ].green = start.green;
                else
                    lut [ lut_index ].green = jump.green * j - 1;

                if ( k == 0 || jump.blue < 1 )
                    lut [ lut_index ].blue = start.blue;
                else
                    lut [ lut_index ].blue = jump.blue* k - 1;

                hardwarecolor.red   = (short) lut [ lut_index ].red;
                hardwarecolor.green = (short) lut [ lut_index ].green;
                hardwarecolor.blue  = (short) lut [ lut_index ].blue;
                hardwarecolor.pixel = lut_index;

printf("HW1: i = %d :  %d %d %d: pixel = %d \n", lut_index, hardwarecolor.red,
                hardwarecolor.green, hardwarecolor.blue, hardwarecolor.pixel );

                status = XAllocColor ( dpy, colormap, &hardwarecolor );
printf("HW2: i = %d: %d %d %d: pixel = %d \n", lut_index, hardwarecolor.red,
                hardwarecolor.green, hardwarecolor.blue, hardwarecolor.pixel );
                if ( status != 0 )
                    {
                    XSetForeground ( dpy, gc, hardwarecolor.pixel );
                    XFillRectangle ( dpy, win, gc, 1, 1, MAXCOLUMN, MAXROW );
                    XFlush ( dpy );
                    sleep (10);
                printf("%d: %f %f %f at %d \n", lut_index, lut [ lut_index ].re
                            lut [ lut_index ].green, lut [ lut_index ].blue,
                            hardwarecolor.pixel );
                    }
                lut_index = lut_index + 1;
                }

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with this problem.

Sincerely,

	John F. Duggan


You deliberately deleted a line! I don't remember how wrote it, but I remember
what he wrote. He wrote

Happy 45 birth day of Israel!

and I worte:

Is this means that  the number of the people have been killed by Israel are so
high that you can not keep the track of, or this is also a part of Zionism
ideology that you don't need to keep  the track of the people you kill?
Just kill!

Hamid


--> A humble response to a letter by G. Scott Braley written 04-21-93  20:43.

 GSB> a 286 upgrade would probably cost about $50, 386 about $150 or so.
 GSB> Coprocessors or accelerator cards would cost at least that much.

'Tis true!  I just saw an add for 286/20 motherboards for $80.  I have seen
whole 286/12 systems, complete with case, power supply, keyboard, floppy,
and mono card/monitor going for $250.

... "He was a man, all and all, I shall not look upon his like again."
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


Development of what?  In-house apps?  Maybe, but  certainly not apps
to be sold on an open market.  Statistics like that are laughable,
because they may simply mean that there are not enough shrink-wrapped
usable apps for UNIX and they have to be developed disproportionately
often as compared to the installed UNIX base.


*retching noises*  Talk about "out of the frying pan and into the fire" :)

I'm pretty sure SCSI is faster.  Along with a lot better compatability.


I just called them and they said the order went out on the 13th.  They're
putting a UPS tracer on it.  Watch, it'll be waiting for me at home
tonight. :-)

Dean


I came across the following notice in the Denver Post classified secction
this morning (April 26, 1993):

\begin{quote}

NOTICE:

The Denver Post will no longer knowingly accept any advertisement to buy
or sell assault weapons.  The Denver Post finds that the use of assault
weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of its readers.

\end{quote}

Now I suppose the Post is within its rights to refuse such ads.  However,
the second sentence is so noxious, I feel compelled to bring it to the
attention of the t.p.g/c.g readership.

I called the Post classified number (825-2525) and expressed my displeasure.
According to the supervisor I spoke to, the Post was reacting to public
complaints regarding the running of assult weapon ads.  However, she said
the paper was keeping track of the reaction to the change in policy.  I
strongly encourage Denver Post readers to call and make their feelings known.


It already happened as far as I know... I got some email about three
weeks ago saying it was coming, and sure enough, a week after that the
Duos dropped in price.  I think the Duo 210 4/80 is now around
US$1,8xx.

The educational prices have dropped, and I imagine others as well, but
I haven't really checked around since I boycott the local NecroCenter
for reasons that extend over the past 13 years.


mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes,
(missing the entire point of my post):

No joke.

No,_you_jumped to_that_conclusion.  It's actually an argument as
to how to accomplish the societal good of discouraging drug use
without violating individual rights.

No. _You_missed the point.  The point is, the "War On Drugs"
is a failure, and is counterproductive.

But, they are not free to be stupid and injure other people.
Admittedly, the fetal right-to-life is outside the scope of
this discussion.  However, it's ridiculous to assert, as you
apparently do, that cocaine has_no effect_on the developing
fetal nervous system.  Caffiene and nicotine have fetal effects
too, why should cocaine be any exception?

If you had read my article before writing your knee-jerk response
you would have seen that this is exactly what I advocated.

No shit, Sherlock.

[...]

Thank you.  How could you have missed the point so utterly?
What_have_you been smoking?

Obviously, importers will not be buying drugs in the U.S., under
U.S. jurisdiction.  Use your remaining brain cells.

O.K., I'll spell it out for you.  "Barter economy" means that
drug users will be permitted to grow or synthesize chemically
anything they choose, or to buy it outside the U.S. and bring
it in, if it won't grow here.  They will also be permitted to
trade with other drug users for drugs other than the ones they
themselves grow or manufacture.  They will not, however be able
to legally sell their drugs for money.  Both manufacture and
importation of noncommercial drugs will be taxed, to discourage
their use. "This is your brain on drugs. Any questions?"

Pardon me, but possession/use of these drugs is still a crime!
You cannot analogize the rates at which drug users would seek
treatment, and the comparative ease with which it could be
made available today, when these drugs are illegal to possess/use,
with what it would be were they_not_illegal to possess/use.
Decriminalizing possession and use makes treatment_much_easier.
Drug dealers are exploiting the weaknesses of those persons who
are prone to addiction, and as such, the drug users should be
left alone, not thrown in prison along with their victimizers.
Drug_dealers_are the criminals, and should be treated as such.
Drug addiction does not absolve you of responsiblity for your
criminal actions, however.

The drug test of an arrested suspect is voluntary, not coerced,
and does not therefore constitute violation of Amendment V.
Those convicted who are drug users, as evidenced by the test,
are in need of treatment for their problem.  Institutionalization
of these adddicted criminals is, I would argue, the best way to
help them straighten out.  If they refuse the test and are convicted,
their sentence can be appropriately harsher, since they, unlike the
addict, have no "excuse" for their crimes.

Why not?  My objective is to discourage drug use_and_criminal
behavior.  If fewer criminals do drugs out of fear of getting a
harsher sentence if they are convicted, why is that not a good
thing?  If fewer drug dealers (who are still criminals, BTW)
can find victims, why is that not a good thing?  If fewer drug
users, such as drunks, 'potheads,' etc., commit crimes out of
fear of being cut off from their sources of supply, why is that
not a good thing?

I'm certainly willing to debate my position.
You have to read it carefully though.


HELLO,
New to this area so....
I have read about some upgrades for the LC II, Doing some modification
to make the thing run faster!
Is the Performa 400 about the same as an lc and if so would the homemade
speed upgrade work??
Thanks
Brad


I want All-Star Tickets does anyone know how I can get
some?

Are they for public sale or are they sold out?

Or do you just have to work for a company with some

Anyway any answers would be appreciated.

Please E-mail me.


     And you're the guy that doesn't know that illiterate people can't write
coherent sentences. Does that make you superior somehow?

                                        Steve
[]


This question derives from the Waco incident:
	Could CS ("gas") particles create an allergic response which would
result in laryngospasm and asphyxiation?- especially in children.


Williams does not like hitting cleanup!!
Secondly, Bonds and Clark (in that order) are a lot more productive with
runners in scoring position than Matt "I am streaky, free swinger" Williams.


	Hmmm... what about the genocide conducted by the Ottoman Empire
aganist the Armenians living in Turkey.


You should be aware that the US Army was called to "fight"
(and did) WW I veterans (bonus marchers) who marched on
DC demanding bonuses they were promised for service.
Becaues of the depression, they wanted them early.


Could some please refer me to someone who can perform PRK (Photo Refractive
Keratostomy) in Canada (preferably eastern portion).  I've looked in
the yellow pages with little success, and if someone has had a good (or
bad, for that matter) experience, that would be especially helpful if you
could please let me know.


To: All

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Have you checked Foley's book? The solutions are in chapter 13.


Hello,
a friend a mine has a commodore 386sx and we've put in that machine
a second harddisk, he now has 100+200 MB. But the problem is that
the 200MB harddisk isn't supported in the bios. Alas there's no user type
47 in the setup. At the moment we use it as a 193MB type but there are
getting bad blocks on the harddisk :-<. Question: who knows a solution to this?
I've seen a small program for this once in the BYTE, but I haven't been able
to find this. Would speedstor or diskmanager work for this, I used these
programs quite a lot in the XT-days, but I don't have these anymore, Seagate
used to ship diskmanager with each drive they sold.

Help will be greatly appreciated.


Perhaps you should change your name to Clayton "Mr Logic(NOT!)" Cramer!
Please give evidence of the above statement or shut up.  I believe that I
may have answered that elsewhere, amongst your other ravings.


Hey,

collection.  I am interested in buying any in good condition.  I am
particularly interested in any of the older, exotic models (eg five ]
transformers into one etc...  I am looking at paying around $20-$40 depending
upon the model, size and original cost etc.  I will also pay airmail postage
and packing.  I am also happy to buy any old sci-fi related toys eg robots,
rocketships, micronauts etc... There is only one catch.  I live in New
Zealand so you have to be willing to post the items there.  I hop that
someone can help me out.

Cheers


Bad system disk.  (possibly too new a version for your historical
curiosity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HFat Mac)


What about the land mines which have already been mentioned?

Oh, very neat.  Dismiss everything I say unless I can prove beyond a shadow
of a doubt something which you yourself admit I can never prove to your
satisfaction.  Thanks, I'll stick to squaring circles.


The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 55
1 22640U 93 27  A 93117.91666666  .00044808  00000-0  13489-3 0    63
2 22640  28.4614 259.3429 0005169 259.6342  61.8074 15.90673799   201


: While it's possible that it's a ham radio transmitter that you're
: hearing, it isn't likely - every bit of signal that doesn't go out the
: antenna is wasted, as far as a ham is concerned, and most hams are

It is the radiated signal that would cause the problem.

: technically competent to ensure that they don't waste any signal if they
: can possibly avoid it.  To get their ham license, they had to pass a
: government exam that tests them on that point, among others.
:
: However, you could be hearing a radio transmitter for sure - there are
: lots of other services where the operators AREN'T required to be
: technically competent - Citizens Band ("CB"), for example.

There is nothing in the Amateur Radio Tests that requires an technical
competence at all. It is a simple matter to memorize all the questions
and answers.  However, that said, most Hams that I know do spend quite
a bit of time gaining some technical skill.

: Listen to the interference.  If you hear voices clearly, it almost
: certainly ISN'T ham radio, and might well be CB.  If you can record a

Don't count on that.

: bit of it, you could take the tape over to a local ham operator's house
: and ask him for his opinion of what you're hearing.  Most communities

You cannot do that legally. However, you can ask a ham over to listen.
If the interference occurs at a specific time each day, then it would
be possible to do such scheduling.  If nothing else, you could invite
the ham over to transmit from your driveway, to see if he interferes.
If he does, then you probably need to have your equipment worked on to
make it immune to rf interference.

: have a ham radio interference committee whose members are most willing
: to help you resolve interference complaints.  Look in the phone book, or
: ask at the local ham radio store, or call the FCC for contact info.

The FCC may, or may not, have such information. They have enough to do
without getting calls for such information. If nothing else, call your
city offices or police department (general business number). They should
have the name of a local ham contact.

: If it's a ham, he's more than likely willing to help get rid of the
: problem.  After all, it would be his signal he's wasting.  If it isn't,
: the interference committee or the FCC may be able to suggest solutions.

See above - your concept of wasted signal is erroneous. If his rig is
transmitting properly, then the chance of interference (with the exception
of harmonic television interference) is the greatest - since he is putting
out the strongest signal.

: It is unfortunately the case that a transmitting station that is
: operating perfectly legally could possibly cause intereference to a
: piece of consumer audio or TV equipment just because the manufacturer of
: the consumer equipment cut corners on one little section of the device
: that wouldn't affect one person in a thousand, but which bites you.
: Often that can be remedied for just a few pennies by a knowledgeable
: person, perhaps even the person operating the transmitter you're
: hearing.

Unfortunately, most consumer equipment is succeptable - it is all poorly
designed.

: (BTW: hams are ALLOWED amplifiers; CB isn't.  "illegal ham amplifier"
: doesn't compute.)

It does, but not for a mobile radio. There are very few mobile rigs that
could power a 1500 watt amplifier.


Enough, already. Let's take this discussion to some other newsgroup
that's more appropriate. Most of us are tired of it and would like to
get back to old cars, IMHO.


I would like to see his reasoning behind this.  You may have gotten
"burned" by natural disaster prophecies down there, but that
does not mean that every natural disaster/judgement prophecy is
false.  Take a quick look at the book of Jeremiah and it is obvious
that judgement prophecies can be valid.  here in the US, it seems like
we might have more of a problem with positive prophecies, though I
am sure there may be a few people who are too into judgement.

Sometimes God does give words that are difficult to swallow.  The
relative positiveness of a prophecy is not necesarily grounds to
dismiss it.  Much of the OT is not happy stuff.


I need the jumper settings for the achieve io card...usually found in
xt's.  It is affecting my video card and forcing the machine into 40 col
mode.  Any help?

                -The Ghoul Hath Spoken


Broadcasting amplified sounds of tortured rabbits?

Burning alive men, women, and children?

We have on our hands here some truly sick puppies.


Regarding the horror stories about DOS6/DOUBLEDISK and STACKER 2.?
killing hard drives:


Have anyone dealt with "Hardware that Fits" before.  I  have seen
their ad in both MacWorld and MacUser and  decided  to  try  them
when I needed a new disk. The  result  was  not satisfactory  and
I was just wondering if I was just an isolated case.

I like to send a letter to the president of "Hardware that Fits".
Do  anyone  know the address? Is it the same address as the one I
return the products to?

--
Mei-Mei Su
===========================================================================
Software Engineer                             email : mms@ltx_tr.portal.com
LTX Corporation                                       meisu@netcom.com


You would be arrested as an international arms trafficker.


Buffalo is up 2-0 is the series with Boston, and the reason....Grant Fuhr ?
  Fuhr is playoff hungry, and he's proving once again why they call him
  money goaltender. Fuhr might not be one of the best goaltenders in the
  league anymore (Statistically at least), but he's proving that he can
  make the big save at the right time.

  The Leafs should have kept Fuhr, and probably would have had a chance
  against powerhouse Detroit. But again.......where was Andreychoke in game 1 ?

  I can see the huge smile on Gerald's face after Fuhr's performance.


I have been using the JOIN command for many years now, mostly with good
success in duplicating unix-style file mounts.  You will hear lots of
people cursing JOIN because they confuse it with the dos APPEND command
(a truely gnarly hack), but don't believe them.  You also will hear
people saying that Microsoft recommends that you not use JOIN.  But, in
Microsoft's Windows 4 Workgroups Resource toolkit, the following appears:

  "JOIN, an MS-DOS utility, works fine with Windows for Workgroups 3.1 if
  you do not change the state of the joined drives during a Windows for
  Workgroups 3.1 session. This includes adding or removing joined drives
  from within Windows for Workgroups. We recommend that you do not use
  JOIN when running Windows Setup or Windows for Workgroups 3.1."

Within this caveat, JOIN appears to be valid under windows.  However, I
have found a couple of applications that don't deal well with filesystems
that have been "mounted" using join.

In particular, the worst offender is Word for Windows 2.0x.  It gets very
confused when you edit and then try to save a file on a joined drive. It
wants to create the saved file as ~NNNNN.tmp in the current dir, then
delete the old file and rename the ~NNNNN.tmp file to the *.doc file.

Unfortunately, WfW usually writes the ~NNNNN.tmp file in some idiotic
place other than the current directory (often in the root dir of the
joined filesystem, but not always).  Then, after deleting the original
*.doc file, it can't find the ~NNNNN.tmp file to rename it.  Unless you
search your disk systems, the document is gone.

I have also found subtle problems using the MKS toolkit from a DOS box
when JOINed filesystems are present.  I used to join c:\temp with a 4meg
ramdisk, but MKS sometimes gets confused when doing an "ls" on the c:\temp
dir, and misses some files in the temp dir.  (This is difficult to
reproduce, but it goes away totally when JOIN is not used.)  I think
this is a Windows problem, rather than MKS's, since it works OK under raw
DOS.

So, I would suggest that you can use JOIN, but be aware that it may not
be as robust you would like.

Wouldn't it be real great to "mount" network drives (i.e. Z:) under the main
file tree, rather than having all those darned drive letters? Unfortunately,
JOIN won't let you do it.  There was talk on the net about a simple patch
to let JOIN work on network drives, but I don't remember the source.

It's too bad the JOIN command is not better implemented, since it would
avoid using all those stupid drive letters.  I realize that MessDos was
meant for casual, even ignorant users, so "mounting" all the drives in
one file tree might be confusing. But, it looks like MS is going to carry
this over into windows NT (another OS meant for casual, even igorant
users -- NOT!).  With all it's old family system baggage, maybe MS needs
a recovery group so they can get on with life :-(.


    But no one (or at least, not many people) are trying to pass off God
as a scientific fact.  Not so with Kirlian photography.  I'll admit that
it is possible that some superior intelligence exists elsewhere, and if
people want to label that intelligence "God", I'm not going to stop
them.  Anyway, let's _not_ turn this into a theological debate.  ;-)

    Read alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine sometime.  I've never been so
closed-minded before subscribing to that group.  :)


How about the following scholarly source?

Source: Pierre Oberling, "The Road to Bellapais: The Turkish Cypriot
        Exodus to Northern Cyprus", Social Science Monographs, Boulder,
        1982, ISBN 88033-000-7.

Well, I am forced to disagree with you. The Greeks started massacring
the Turkish population on Cyprus in 1974. In 1974, Turkiye stepped into
Cyprus to preserve the lives of the Turkish population there. This is
nothing but a simple historical fact. Unfortunately, the intervention
was too late at least for some of the victims. Mass graves containing
numerous bodies of women and children already showed what fate had been
planned for a peaceful minority.

The people of Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots
will never abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain
eternally hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the
cost to the parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was
the sole perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops
on July 15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of
Archibishop Makarios.

The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization
of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the
'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not
forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks
in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to
destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of
course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences
for this irresponsible conduct.

Turkish Cypriots are simply seeking guarantees that will preclude a
repeat performance by the fanatical cadres of the Greeks' EOKA. If
such assurances are not perfectly implemented, there is every reason
to expect that the local Greeks will be misguided enough to perpetrate
their past mistakes. On such an occasion, the Turkish side may not find
it satisfactory to act with reluctance to go any further than before,
for it is unacceptable to remain always defensive against cyclical
vicious attacks. Therefore it would be better to have a true federation
of two separate sections living in obligatory peace, rather than another
armed confrontation that would be started by the Greeks and obligatorily
but decisively terminated by the Turks.

The present Greek government is trying to tyrannize the Turkish population
in western Thrace by forbidding it its ethnic and religious rights, which
were established through international treaties. One might be better
advised to remember that misadventures against Turkiye do not serve
Greece well.

An offer of membership in the European Common Market as bait for concessions
that may doom the Turks in Cyprus to extinction is not a viable course for
Greece or her friends. Neither Turkish lives nor Turkish honor has been
placed on the bidding block to be sold for commercial gain.

Serdar Argic


O.K.  It would be a shame for Cards fans on the net
to go through the 1993 championship season without a
mailing list to talk on so I would be willing to look
at starting one.

Except there's one little problem...

I don't know the first thing about how to do it or
what it requires in terms of resources or time.  So
if some kind soul could e-mail me the particulars of
getting starting and managing a mail list, I'd see
if it would be feasible for me to start a Cards mailing
list.

Thanks in advance,

Dick Detweiler


I have a project in mind that requires an array of LEDs that can be addressed
individually by a microprocessor (say, 16x16 or so).  Is there an LSI that
is designed to drive an LED array (including RAM to hold the array state),
or failing that, some way of multiplexing the display so I don't have to
latch a bit for each LED using a discrete latch?  (I want to avoid having
a huge board covered with 373s if possible!)  Thanks in advance...


Adobe Streamline has been out four a couple of years. It does a much better
job than the autotracing functions which are built into illustration
programs. Of course, a higher resolution bitmap will produce a more
accurate trace. The problem that I've run into though, is that when it
creates a detailed trace, it produces WAY more points than are necessary.
If I trace something manually, I use many less es points. The problem
with this is it produces BIG files which slow everything down, especially
printing.

Chuck


Hi all,

I've read the FAQ, I've fiddled around, but I am still having problems getting
my poor old HP9000/300 to let me input/display characters above 127.  I have
the following in my .Xdefaults:

XTerm*Font     :   -adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1

So I believe that I have the correct font selected to use in xterm.  I have NOT
set my LC_CTYPE environment variable because whatever I put it, it tells me that
that locale is not supported (apparently we have no additional locales defined,
or at least, /lib/locale doesn't exist).  I can get some of the characters
above 127 to print out, but they are not where I'd expect them -- for example,
Alt-v does not produce a u umlaut.  This leads me to believe that the fault
lies with the stty settings, which are as follows:

speed 9600 baud; line = 0; susp <undef>; dsusp <undef>
intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^H; kill = ^K; swtch = ^@
eof = ^D; eol = ^@; min = 4; time = 0; stop = ^S; start = ^Q
-parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb hupcl cread -clocal -loblk -crts
-ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc
ixon -ixany ixoff -ienqak
isig icanon iexten -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel -tostop

Anyway, I've struggled with this off and on for a couple of weeks, and any help
anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated.

					Thanks!


(Please note followup)
In <1993Apr27.012045.8543@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi

Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is name-calling of the lowest kind.
Please don't be disingenuous.

Do civil libertarians make no distinction between the Nazis and
Israel?  Would you say that the Iraqis are like the Nazis?

If you do not make such distinctions, then all injustices are
equally evil, and the world is a completely evil place.  In that
case, we may as well give up right now.


Cambridge  Audio  Integrated  Amp  P70  -  60W stereo solid
     state, w/box  List $600 want $340

     Cambridge Audio Tuner T50 - 8 presets list $350 want $200

     Cambridge  Audio  PreAmp  C70  - list $500 want $290

     Klipschorns  -  The Klipschorns Speakers...legends in there
     own  time  list   ~$3k   want   $950...very   big,   corner
     loaded..will play to unbelieveable volumes with very little
     power.


The phone number for GCC is 617-275-5800, I believe.  I don't have the
number for Tech Support handy...


	I disagree.  By converting to another religion, you certainly
do change your cultural identity, and lose that part of you which was
Jewish.

	No, there is a serious cultural and religios difference
between renouncing the jewish god and accepting a new one.  "Thou
shall have no other gods before me."  Conversion is a violation of
this, atheism you might be able to wiggle around with.

Adam

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


Grant Fuhr rules! -).


Radiating from someone who is incapable of providing a single scholarly
source on his 'genocide apology program', it is rather amusing. Again,
where is your non-existent list of scholars and scholarly sources?
Here is mine:

"An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
 systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of
 the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at
 least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The
 memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and
 eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."
     (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990)

 "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
  It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
  create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
  life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
  falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats
  in this alien land."
            (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity")

 "The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination
  of the Muslim population in Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag,
  Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the
  extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government
  during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."
                  (Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992)

 "Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against
  Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic
  of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan,
  are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide
  perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the
  Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these
  lands."         (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992)

SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN
HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS

1. "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement" by Louise Nalbandian,
   University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975

2. "Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902" by William I. Lenger, Professor
   of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951

3. "Turkey in Europe" by Sir Charles Elliot,
   Edward & Arnold, London, 1900

4. "The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies" by
   Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972

5. "The Rising Crescent" by Ernest Jackh,
   Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944

6. "Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam" by Felix Valyi,
   Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925

7. "The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia" by E. Alexander Powell,
   The Century Co., New York, London, 1924

8. "Struggle for Transcaucasia" by Feruz Kazemzadeh,
   Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951

9. "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey" (2 volumes) by
   Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York,
   Melbourne, 1977

10."The Western Question in Greece and Turkey" by Arnold J. Toynbee,
   Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922

11."The Caliph's Last Heritage" by Sir Mark Sykes,
   Macmillan & Co., London, 1915

12."Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill,
   Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928

13."Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22" by A. Rawlinson,
   Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925

14."World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn,
   Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952

15."From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne" by Avetis Aharonian,
   The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17
   (Spring 1964)

16."Armenia on the Road to Independence" by Richard G. Hovanessian,
   University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967

17."The Rebirth of Turkey" by Clair Price,
   Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923

18."Caucasian Battlefields" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff,
   Cambridge, 1953

19."Partition of Turkey" by Harry N. Howard,
   H. Fertig, New York, 1966

20."The King-Crane Commission" by Harry N. Howard,
   Beirut, 1963

21."United States Policy and Partition of Turkey" by Laurence Evans,
   John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965

22."British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence" by Gothard
   Jaeschke

1. Neside Kerem Demir, "Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri:
   Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi," Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S.,
   Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, "The Armenian
   Question in Turkey")

2. Veysel Eroglu, "Ermeni Mezalimi," Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978.

3. A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni
   Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.

4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, "Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"
   Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970.

T.C. Basbakanlik Osmanli Arsivi, Babiali, Istanbul:

a) Yildiz Esas Evraki
b) Yildiz Perakende
c) Irade Defterleri
d) Cemaat-i Gayr-i Muslime Defterleri
e) Meclisi Vukela Mazbatalari
f) Dahiliye Nezareti, Kalem-i Mahsus Dosyalari
g) Dahiliye Nezareti, Sifre Defterleri
h) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Siyasi Kartonlar
i) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Muhimme Kartonlari

T.C. Disisleri Bakanligi, Hazine-i Evrak, Defterdarlik

a) Harb-i Umumi
b) Muteferrik Kartonlar

British Archives:

a) Parliamentary Papers (Hansard): Commons/Lords
b) Foreign Office: Confidential Print: Various Collections
c) Foreign Office: 424/239-253: Turkey: Correspondence - Annual Reports
d) Foreign Office: 608
e) Foreign Office: 371, Political Intelligence: General Correspondence
f) Foreign Office: 800/240, Ryan Papers
g) Foreign Office: 800/151, Curzon Papers
h) Foreign Office: 839: The Eastern Conference: Lausanne. 53 files

India Office Records and Library, Blackfriars Road, London.

a) L/Political and Security/10/851-855 (five boxes), "Turkey: Treaty of
   Peace: 1918-1923"
b) L/P & S/10/1031, "Near East: Turkey and Greece: Lausanne Conference,
   1921-1923"
c) L/P & S/11/154
d) L/P & S/11/1031

French Archives

Archives du ministere des Affaires entrangeres, Quai d'Orsay, Paris.

a) Documents Diplomatiques: Affaires Armeniens: 1895-1914 Collections
b) Guerre: 1914-1918: Turquie: Legion d'Orient.
c) Levant, 1918-1929: Armenie.

Official Publications, Published Documents, Diplomatic Correspondence,
Agreements, Minutes and Others

A. Turkey (The Ottoman Empire and The Republic of Turkey)

Akarli, E. (ed.); "Belgelerle Tanzimat," (istanbul, 1978).
(Gn. Kur., ATASE); "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi," V. XXXI (81),
(Dec. 1982).
----; "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi," V. XXXII (83),
(Dec. 1983).
Hocaoglu, M. (ed.); "Ittihad-i Anasir-i Osmaniye Heyeti Nizamnamesi,"
(Istanbul, 1912).
Meray, S. L. (trans./ed.) "Lozan Baris Konferansi: Tutanaklar-Belgeler,"
(Ankara, 1978), 2 vols.
Meray, S. L./O. Olcay (ed.); "Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Cokus Belgeleri;
Mondros Birakismasi, Sevr Andlasmasi, Ilgili Belgeler," (Ankara, 1977).
(Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); "Aspirations et Agissements
Revolutionnaires des Comites Armeniens avant et apres la proclamation
de la Constitution Ottomane," (Istanbul, 1917).
----; "Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve Hareket-i Ihtilaliyesi: Ilan-i
Mesrutiyetten Evvel ve Sonra," (Istanbul, 1916).
----; "Idare-i Umumiye ve Vilayet Kanunu," (Istanbul, 1913).
----; "Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. I (Istanbul, 1914).
----; "Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. II (Istanbul, 1915).
----; "Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. III (Istanbul, 1916).
----; "Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. IV (Istanbul, 1917).
(Osmanli Devleti, Hariciye Nezareti); "Imtiyazat-i Ecnebiyye'nin
Lagvindan Dolayi Memurine Teblig Olunacak Talimatname," (Istanbul, 1915).
(Osmanli Devleti, Harbiye Nezareti); "Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari
Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1919).
----; (IV. Ordu) "Aliye Divan-i Harbi Orfisinde Tedkik Olunan Mesele-yi
Siyasiye Hakkinda Izahat," (Istanbul, 1916).
Turkozu, H. K. (ed.); "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"
(Ankara, 1982).
----; "Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi Gizli Celse Zabitlari," (Ankara, 1985),
4 vols.

Russia

Adamof, E. E. (ed.); "Sovyet Devlet Arsivi Belgeleriyle Anadolu'nun
Taksimi Plani," (tran. H. Rahmi, ed. H. Mutlucag), (Istanbul, 1972).

Altinay, A. R.; "Iki Komite - Iki Kital," (Istanbul, 1919).
----; "Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler," (Istanbul, 1919).
----; "Turkiye'de Katolik Propagandasi," Turk tarihi Encumeni Mecmuasi,
V. XIV/82-5 (Sept. 1924).
Asaf Muammer; "Harb ve Mesulleri," (Istanbul, 1918).
Akboy, C.; "Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi, V. I: Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun
Siyasi ve Askeri Hazirliklari ve Harbe Girisi," (Gn. Kur., Ankara, 1970).
Akgun, S.; "General Harbord'un Anadolu Gezisi ve (Ermeni Meselesi'ne Dair)
Raporu: Kurtulus Savasi Baslangicinda," (Istanbul, 1981).
Akin, I.; "Turk Devrim Tarihi," (Istanbul, 1983).
Aksin, S.; "Jon Turkler ve Ittihad ve Terakki," (Istanbul, 1976).
Basar, Z. (ed.);"Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara, 1974).
----; "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978).
Belen, F.; "Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi," (Ankara, 1964).
Deliorman, A.; "Turklere Karsi Ermeni Komitecileri," (Istanbul, 1980).
Ege, N. N. (ed.); "Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"
(Istanbul, 1977).
Ercikan, A.; "Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"
(Ankara, 1949).
Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', "Turk Tarihinde
Ermeniler Sempozyumu," (Izmir, 1983).
Hocaoglu, M.; "Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"
(Istanbul, 1976).
Karal, E. S.; "Osmanli Tarihi," V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.);
V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara.
Kurat, Y. T.; "Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi," (Ankara, 1976).
Orel, S./S. Yuca; "Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin
Icyuzu," (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.]
Ahmad, F.; "The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in
Turkish Politics," (Oxford, 1969).

Serdar Argic


But, but, but... How does buying an external modem solve the problem
of wanting more than 2 serial devices at once?  And since the PC
only supports two, why are you blaming a modem vendor for the
problem?  I don't see how your experience could have been different
with any internal modem.


at least be honest.  velcro (tm) dates from the 40's.  i have doubts
about everything listed above.  just because it was developed in the
space age, doesn't mean it was a space spin-off.


I have a friend with an original HP LaserJet.  The nameplate does not
specify a number, but since the LJ II followed later, one assumes that he
has a LJ I.   His problem is a tax program which requires a 17 cpi font to
print the forms properly.

This unit came to market in 2 versions.  The plus version supported
dowloadable fonts.  You can guess which one my friend has - the plain, not
the plus.  The printer does though have a slot and he has a small selction
of cartridges including a 16.6 cpi - but none with a 17 cpi font.

Can anyone suggest a source for a cartridge with a 17 (or 18?) cpi font?
Alternatively, is an upgrade to the plus version available at reasonable
cost?

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks

---
 * WinQwk 2.0b#943 * Seattle Rain Festival - Jan. 1 to Dec. 31


Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and into reality?  First off, what
is the deal with your subject lines? Do you think that you are being funny?
Ha ha.  What a developed sense of humor you have, I'm surprised they let you
out of the cage.  Why don't we not talk about the "official" definition of
foreign aid and talk about where money is really spent.  More money is spent
stationing troops in Germany (ie paying the troops, maintaining bases and equip,
etc) than in Israel.  Plus, Israel does not ask the US to send troops to fight
her battles.  If you look at the amount of money spent defending Korean
shipping lanes, Norway, and other trouble spots in the world, you will see that
aid to Israel - from a practical standpoint - is not that much.  And so what -
so what if Israel gets the most (assuming I buy your feeble argument)?  What
is your point?  Do you not want to subsidize Israel?  Well, you have two options
1) Start your own campaign, get elected as president, and then force congress
to cut all aid to Israel or 2) get the fuck out!  If  you don't like how this
country operates and can't change it then move to Iran or something.


       While I wouldn't be too terribly impressed with anybody who got
to be paranoid based on either Usenet in general or Phill Hallam-Baker's
comments in general, you'd be surprised.

       For most people, if you accuse them of something long enough and
loud enough, to enough people, they start to ask why they're bothering
to fight it.

       If nothing you do will be considered right, why bother to do right?
It's pretty basic human nature.

       What an amazing thing.  I didn't realize that over a hundred million
gun owners all posted to tpg.

       Even if *all* the posts in talk.politics.guns illustrated what
you say they illustrate, it would still only reflect the written
personas (which is often different from face-to-face) of a very, very
small and select group.

       Anybody who seriously generalizes any attitudes or positions on
Usenet to the general population of any country either doesn't care
about accuracy or needs to have a few realities explained to them.

        Speaking of which...

      Most of the "readership" posts I've seen put the most read
newsgroups at about 160,000 readers, a number I have a feeling is
fairly inflated.  The posters, rare and regular, are themseleves a
very tiny minority of that group.  And the whole of Usenet readers
are themselves a very distorted sample of humanity.

       If anything, the only real thing you can get out of the relative
sample of Usenet readers is that we've got too much equipment and too
much time available to us.

        Proof that guns don't make you safer is that if you buy one the
government will show up and kill you?

        Tell me, if the government took away the voting rights of
everybody who exercised their free speech, would that then be proof
that free speech squelches political activity?

        You are equating two things with each other that don't.

        Phill, if you really believe that the various posts on
computer nets represents *either* most of the poster's in person
personalities *or* the general public's general opinions, then
I have some serious reservations about your grasp on reality.

        But don't expect you really do believe that.  It's simply
a convenient way to make your point, and hopefully make those
people you don't like look bad.

        Have a nice day, Phill.


Having in mind the size of the images, my opinion is to go with VLB.
It has _much_ more bandwith that EISA, which in fact can be utilized
by the craphics card. (I have not made measures, so someone else may
share experience on that.)

Also, the DX2/66 is faster in the operations, that run off internal
cache, slightly slower off the external and about the same off memory.
So my advice is the 66/VLB.

Have You tried running Photostyler without the cache? No need to have
paging and cache both. (Well, you might argue, that the paging is
cached). My belief (no measurements) is that apps left with more
memory will manage it better than smartdrv.exe(sys).

The bandwidth (theoretical) of ISA is over 5MB/s, which is far from
0.15MB/s. I tried my ISA IDE hard drive (Maxtor 213MB) and got the
same results - 0.65MB/s - regardless of the ISA bus speed
(5.5-8.25MHz). So I guess, that just the card/drivers combination is
lousy.

The rumors are that DX3-99 (if any) is the most likely chip to come
out. But note, that IBM is closest to the technology an it will only
sell whole motherboards, so you'll have to upgrade the MB.

Just some view, not much figures.

--
Penio Penev  x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu


I dont know about the story but it comes from the fact that in most stadiums, the batter faces northeast and so when
a pitcher is on the mound, his left arm is to the south, hence the term.


Condensers, Kimble Modern Liebig West #18003.
Jacket length 500 mm.
All glass, straight tubes.
Plastic/gasketed end caps.
Exactly like Central Scientific's 14459 series condensers.
Being sold in American Science & Surplus's April catalog for ~$20 each.
In original (old) packaging.

I have 13 of these.  $15 each.  Volume discounts:

 Buy  Discount Bonus
-------------------------------------------
3 - 8   10%    Free insurance.
9 +     30%    Free shipping and insurance.

For quality control, all have been opened and inspected for damage.  :)
Buyer must pay for shipping/insurance unless otherwise noted.
Shipping should be about $2.00 for one or two; $3.00 for three or four; etc.
Insurance should be about $0.75 per tube.


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It's noteworthy that the posts about the west being
evil etc are made not in some Islamic hellhole but from
the west. If the west is so bad, why do they come here?
Notice how they comfortably exercise their rights to
free expression, something completely absent in their
own countries.

Vasudev


        Please replay yxy4145@usl.edu
                             Thanks a lot


The forces and accelerations involved in doing a little bit of orbital
maneuvering with HST aboard are much smaller than those involved in
reentry, landing, and re-launch.  The OMS engines aren't very powerful;
they don't have to be.


Could someone explain how to make sense of drag coefficients (i.e Cd) mentioned in magazines.  I understand that lower numbers signify better aerodynamics but
what does this mean in the real world.  Is there a way to calculate new top speeds(assuming the car is not rev limited at top speed) or mileage benefits if a identical car had the Cd reduced from .34 to .33.


What jetting do you recommend for a ZX-11 (with standard mufflers) instead of
the standard one (idle-38, main-155).
Cheers.


<:
<: As a private citizen, I would feel much more "secure in my person and
<: papers" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil
<: liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of
<: my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure
<: by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or
<: overtly controlled by the government.
<: --------------------------
<Thats one problem that has so far been overlooked. These two escrow
<agencies will have to create a secure database and service the
<input and output of Keys. Who pays for this? If they refuse an
<illegal request from some congressman to deliver a key can their
<budget by cut to punish them? Will congress be forced to fund
<them forever?

Congress isn't forced to do ANYTHING.  Not even follow their own rules,
if it isn't expedient.  If caught with their collective pants down,
they make some funny noises, perhaps crucify a skapegoat or two, then
continue business as usual.  I notice those senators involved with
the S&L Scandal weren't hurt too much, if at all.  DeConcini's personal
stake in suppliers to those big Aerostats hasn't affected his credibility
at all, inside Congress, at least.  He is still pushing his police state
agenda...

<The problem is that laws can change. Congress may pass a law setting
<up an escrow agency with instructions that keys are private. Some
<future congress may change that law. Suppose pre-nazi Germany had
<a clipper system. Do you think the escrow agencies would have
<told Hitler that he could not have the keys without a valid
<court order?

It will be like the old saw in New Jersey and New York, Chicago, etc
when the politicians PROMISED that this spiffy new gun registration law
will NOT be used for future confiscation purposes.  Sure enough, a few
years later, when they WERE used JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE, and folks
complained, the response was "Well, *I* didn't make that promise..."
Some politicians may not even wait a few years...  Escrowed keys would
have the same assurances of security.  Besides, if someone wants to
snoop, how are YOU to know - you don't think they will send you a letter
saying "We are now snooping on your private conversations...", do you?
What are the assurances the escrow people will not be FORBIDDEN to
report any access attempts for one's keys?

So much for government assurances of privacy.

<In effect you must set up escrow agencies as a fourth branch of
<the goverment and isolate them from any outside interferance.
<They will be able to directly tap into Federal funds with no
<accountability to anyone except through a court challenge.

How?  The Feds will just change the law, or just ignore it.  Nothing
new here...  They got the muscle, the resources, the guns...

As an aside, since export of crypto is verboten because of ITAR,
shouldn't the Second Amendment also come into play here?

<John Eaton
<!hp-vcd!johne


Hello,

Could someone tell me if and where i could find faceoff stats for the
91/92 season and later on the 92/93 (i think its to early to get it now).

Thanks a lot


My girlfriend just started taking this drug for her migranes.  It really
helped her get through the rebound withdrawl when she got off analgesics.
She doesn't have a mail account, but asked me to forward this:

"Glaxo is the distributor; Imitrex is the drug's brand name.  It works.
She can call her pharmacy for more info. The "miracle" drug has been used
for years in Europe and for some time in Canada.  Trials in the U.S. were
completed and the drug hit the US market at the end of March.  Some
pharmacies don't stock it yet.  Presently it needs to be injected
subcutaneously; although testing is starting with a nasal spray form.  It
mimics serotonin (its molecular structure that fits onto pain receptors
looks identical to serotonin on a model I saw)"


Oh horse puckey.  Without their cop partner in attendance, they are less likely
to be controllable *without* the use of force which would kill the dog.

O.k.  so you've disabled the dog's mouth, and given up use of your arm to do
so.  How `bout them front and read paws, and the fact that to plug up that
mouth you've given the dog the advantage of balance...

Have you ever tried to snap leg or crush the skull of a dog without use of
hardened instruments such as a baseball bat?  Without the use of both arms and
full cooperation of the beastie involved, it's not *that* easy.  Oh, but wait,
you've got your arm shoved in the dogs mouth.  You lose....

Oh *now* you qualify you earlier statement by saying a *trained* human.

Most people here have not been trained to deal with a dog that wants to maul
you.  get a clue.


Does anybody have a data-sheet handly for the above-mentioned card?  I
bought one, sans manual at a local surplus shop, and want to try it out
with the Crywyr packet driver suite.

The IRQ and interface-select jumpers are pretty straightforward, but I
don't grok the settings of W10-W18 (also labelled A15 through A18).
Could somebody tell me which settings of these four jumpers correspond
to what I/O addresses?

Is there anything else about this card I should know, before I
plug&play?


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Markus, what is that we are noting about the spelling?  That you aren't good at it? :^)
That Peugeot is OUT of N. America?  What does this mean?


-
- I heard a story on the local sports news broadcast in Edmonton.
- Oiler owner Peter Pocklington will be holding a press conference
- next week. While the exact details are not known, it is believed
- to concern the Oiler's future.
-
- Rumour has it that Pocklington signed a tentative lease arrangement
- with Copps Collesium in Hamilton. During the press conference,
- Pocklington may announce the deal. It is quite possible that
- the deal may simply be a way to force Edmonton Northlands to
- renegotiate the Oiler lease on the stadium.
-
- Northlands has offered to buy the Oilers for $65 million earlier,
- but the offer was rejected immediately by Pocklington.
-
- As for me, my opinion is divided... Edmonton has been fairly
- supportive of the Oilers. Even though they're a small market
- team, they had many sellouts in the 80s. Even with the problems
- that the team had this year, they still brought in more fans
- than many teams in larger cities did. On the other hand, if
- the team does move, there is no place more deserving than
- Hamilton. Of course, how would that affect the grand
- realignment scheme of Bettman?
-

  Following up on this, the provincial government has been asked by the
Opposition to block any deal that Pocklington is offering to Hamilton.  The
government said that Pock is going nowhere!

  Why don't I believe the government?  Wasn't it Pocklington who wanted to be
Tory leader 9 years ago?


It's called PC-XWare.  It is based on NCD-Ware, their X-terminal
software (which , IMHO, is excellent).  PC-XWare will include
X-Remote and be optimized for 32 bit machines. It's X11R5 based.
It will support remote management, etc.

Not an NCD employee, just a fan :)

--

---------------------------------
Edward J. Gallant III
37213 Georgia Tech Station
Atlanta, Georgia 30332


Silly boy! You read the rest of that jibberish! go back and read rule
#1.

OK, for the record, Spike is jointly owned. The registration says -or-
(Uhhh, what _does_ the title say, Beth?) Beth brought the ad to my
attention, I'd been half heartedly lusting after an SR500 for years. I
had successfully avioded buying it by rationalizing that I didn't need
to spend the $$ on it. Then Beth piped up with "I'll pay for half of
it!" I was beaten.

Watch it buddy! Both of those are fine rides! Beth loves riding
pillion on the Connie, true, the 'Ol Sport isn't her cup of tea (she
can't get it off of the side stand) but she agrees that it's a very
fine ride.

                                              ^^^^^^^
I'll buy that. I'll even loan you a quarter to buy a clue.


Hey Larry,
        How can you be a comp sci major and never crash a damn computer.
What does your CS dept teach you...or are you just that good of a programmer
that not one of your assembly programs have ever downed your machine.

Why do you bother putting up such stupid posts...or are you that ignorant.


Seeing all these questions about uart types, their availability, and their
relative merits, wouldn't it be fine, if for internal highspeed modems there
were a mode of operation bypassing the dull and stupid uart interface and
instead accessing directly the relatively large send/receive buffers of the
modem, thus eliminating all problems with interrupt latencies ?
Just an idea,
Wolfgang R. Mueller <dvs@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de>,
Computing Centre, Heinrich-Heine-University, Duesseldorf, Germany.


Sharp brand "Pocket Computer" model PC-1246

   Dimensions;  3.5 x 5 x 0.5 inches.

        Has 15-digit LCD display
        53 rubber keys (w/alphabet)
        built-in BASIC prog.language
        an 11-pin-socketed interface for optional cassette drive. (Don't have)
        slide-over/reversable plastic cover.

        Sorry, no owners manual.
        A program or two still in memory.

        Asking $15 + shipping (about $2 in U.S.)


G'day all!

Does anyone know anything about front end for POVRay (X11 version)?
I mean are there things like user friendly modeller for POVRay, or any
modellers which will let me design a scene and produce a file which POVRay
can then read?
Cheers,
Tomek

+------------------------------------------------------+
+------------------------------------------------------+


the
unuseable)
motorcycle

What happens is that (I heard this discussed on "Northern Exposure") there
is a molecular juxtaposition of the molecules in the battery and the
molecules in the concrete.  This acts as an attractant to UFOs (actually
their crew members) and they arrive at the scene of the battery/concrete
combination.

Then they proceed to SUCK ALL THE ENERGY OUT OF THE BATTERIES!

Remedy:  Set the battery on a nonconcrete floor.


It wasn't "invented", but was supposed by the writers of the Constitution
to be a universal, pre-existing right. Howsomever...

Hmmm.  You need to spend some time in a library, son.

When the Bill of Rights was written, in addition to the (muzzleloading)
shotgun and pistol you mention we had:

 - rifles in calibers ranging from around .30 to .69 caliber and up.
 - cannon with various different projectiles to choose from (and owned
   by civilians).
 - breech-loading rifles

In addition, semiautomatic and full-automatic firearms had been patented
and/or demonstrated by several people in various places during the preceding
century or so.

Sounds good.  Any refererences to this actually happening, or is it
just exaggeration for effect following one or more incidents of someone
firing a handful of shots from something that may or may not be an
Uzi, semi- or full-auto?

Until the root conditions that justified it go away (criminal behavior,
either private or government, which should be defended against), there's
no reason it should go away.

--


[snip]....

	Excellent point, Mark.  We should all remember that if Nixon
	hadn't tried to cover up the misguided actions of some of his
	subordinates in the Watergate burglary, the scandal would
	never have brought down his presidency.  So far, Klinton seems
	to be stonewalling this the same way Tricky Dick did.  His whole
	case seems to be "we didn't do anything wrong".  However, if
	in the course of the investigation it turns out that the
	gov't DID do something wrong, and he tried to cover it up,
	then that's an impeachable crime, I believe...

	Perhaps he is inadvertently cooking up his own scandal...  Can you
	say "Wacogate", little neighbor?...   ;-)


Then again, maybe $2445 for the gateway system isn't too cheap.

I have a system from Micron computers:


An advertisement in MicroTimes (a bay area mini-Computer Shopper) from
ENCY systems in Fremont has a graphic for the P24T performance based
on MIPS (power meter v1.7):  the 486DX-33 raked in about 14-15, the
486DX2-66 got about 24, and the P24T-66 got about 44-45.

Tom


OK, Andrew, I'll provide some evidence. A friend of mine worked for an
electronics manufacturer on with a west-coast office. They routinely sold
equipment to the Japanese. One day, the Japanese started showing up with
discount demands that were amazingly close to the cost to manufacture the
products.

This company routinely sent most of the manufacturing data to the field
offices. The Japanese had simply intercepted it. So my friend, the computer
systems admin, came up with a solution. He started sending the data out
double-block-encrypted with DES.

Two days after this new distribution plan was implemented, the president of
the company got a visit from a pair of government agents. They told him to
"knock it off". The president gave in, since his company did a considerable
business with the federal government.

Now, if the government wasn't monitoring the communications, how would they
even know that the encryption system was installed? Further, since encryp-
tion isn't illegal, and DES certainly isn't, what is the basis of the
government's cease-and-desist demand?

The spooks do whatever they think is necessary, with or without the blessings
of the law. I'll say "no thanks" to Clipper, or anything else the government
produces. For the moment, double or triple DES is probably adequate. And when
the line is idle, send random garbage, just to keep 'em busy.


Nope.  I keep my Mac running all the time since it also acts as a
usenet node and exchanges mail and news every half hour (I run uAccess)
and receives all my faxes.

I do turn off the monitors hooked up to it.  They produce more heat
than I want - it can be warm in my garage office in the summer.  I've
got one of those handy power control centers ($25 at Fry's) to I just
flip the switch in front when I start or stop working.

By the way, this strategy seems to be somewhat endorsed by Apple since
their new Color Classic will turn off its own monitor after a certain
length of idle time.


If in said situation. I would, reviewing other cases I've seen reported
on in the articles I've read etc.., suggest the safest legal course of action
is as follows. Warn your assailant loudly and in clear tones that you have a
weapon(Yes!Even though it's blatantly obvious now that you have it out!)
and that you will shoot him if he advances/does not cease whatever hostile
action he is currently involved in.( ie: Drop the knife or I'll shoot!)
Repeat this process three times,if you can!(not if he's pointing a freaking
gun at you himself!That's kinda impractical.) (There are variables here and
I will try to address them in turn) After said warning (considering it's
 ignored) Aim center mass and fire until he drops! This is not sadism, it's
practicality.If he hasn't gone down he's still a threat!(Why I support .45)
IF HE TURNS AND RUNS DO NOT PURSUE OR FIRE AT HIS BACK! SHOT'S FIRED IN ANGER
WILL BURN YOU LATER! (Though in some cases the I can see where that might not
bother me all that much!) If you do drop him! REMAIN WHERE YOU ARE! Have a
Bystander or witness(Or Create one by yelling at the top of your lungs!)
call the police, and wait! Reholster your weapon VISIBLY! Or place it on
the ground nearby. Do not attempt to recollect your brass.The police will
use it's location to piece together the scene along with your testimony and
that of any witnesses. Mentally mark witnesses! If the police say that none
came forward let them know who you saw! Attempt to keep your weapon loaded
with the minimum required(how the hell can I phrase this?) Try to avoid special
purpose ammunition. Hollow points and Hydrashock rounds give the opposing
lawyer the type of loaded phrasing he will need to sawy the jury that you
fully intended to kill someone! The only special purpose rounds that I can
think of that would actually help your case (as it has in several) is the
Glaser Safety Slug (oh what a lovely name SAFETY SLUG) The stated purpose
and stated design parameters of the round are life savers in court.
(ie. Attempting to create a bullet which will not overpenetrate, not
ricochette, and which is designed to STOP (Not Kill (Gee, to bad the two often
cross, damn I'm real sorry that rapist is dead! NOT!) an assailant with
one shot. This, again, can be a real life saver in a hostile court.
Be as cooperative with the police as possible! Show them where you were.
Repeat your information as often as requested. They will often ask you the
same questions over and over to verify facts, and ,unfortunately, to see
if your lying. Fill out all statements and show all required identification
and weapon permits (BOOO! Down with registered citizens!Register your
 politicians as deadly tax weapons needing to be confiscated!) If they are
required in your state. Contact a lawyer immediately if they decide to
hold you or that further questioning is needed. If you cannot afford one,
contact the NRA. They have a legal assistance fund.(Or at least they used to)
I DO HOPE YOUR A MEMBER! (Not my business either way though..) If I was
vague on anything, or I left some questions unanswered, you can E-MAIL
me or post here. (Preferebly E-MAIL. I don't have a load of time to review
the news)
								Kane


It is interesting, sometimes, to listen to U.S. news as seen through
the eyes of another country.......

B.B.C. world news service, on short-wave, originating out of London,
reports that a survivor of the Waco massacre states that a tank, when
making a hole in the wall of the building, knocked over a kerosene
lamp and that is how the fire started.  Attempts were made by the
people inside to put out the fire, but it spread too quickly.

Has anyone in U.S. heard anything similar or are U.S. government
spin-doctors censoring such information?


In the wake of the Waco denouement, I had email discussions with
people from this group.  In particular, we discussed how cults
operate, why the FBI might be motivated to black out news or behave
the way it did, and what kinds of problems are involved in dealing
with cults and similar organizations.

I include an edited account of what I wrote.  The identity of my
correspondents have (I hope) been erased.  The editing process makes
the text choppy - sorry about that.  I've tried to retain the
information content.

Ellipses (...) indicate where text was removed.  A few of the comments
in parentheses are new, intended to make it easier for outsiders to
understand.

These notes are preliminary - feel free to criticize.

Cheers(?),
Oded

------------------------ (begin included text) -----------------------

I took a course called the MADNESS OF CROWDS, ...  The course included
cults and briefly mentioned/analyzed Jonestown.  (Did some external
reading too).

William Adorno ... edited a series of books on the psychology of
"evil" mass movements...  starting with THE AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY,
University of Chicago Press, 1948 ... an attempt to figure out what
would motivate people to support fascism or be the bad guys in WWII,
and by extension in other wars, in racial lynchings ...  I don't think
the books are perfect, and the study of psychopathology has advanced
..., but you can elicit Koresh types from even the first volume.  So I
think they're onto something.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
		How cult psychology works...
	[I'm an amateur.  Hope I'm not hopelessly naive.]

So long as Koresh could "own" his people, he made sure they didn't
believe there was any life out there for them, away from him.
Otherwise, he'd (Koresh) be nothing.  During the siege, ex-Davidians
recounted how he convinced the people in the compound they survived
only through his intercession with God to spare their worthless souls.
Absolutely classic brainwashing technique. ...  As long as they
believed him, they'd ignore BATF/FBI/Child Protective Services or even
the Red Cross asking them to come out.  After all, if they ever left
him, God would catapult them straight to Hell, and the combined forces
of the US gummint, with all the goodwill in the world (doubtful)
couldn't save them for a second.  If I believed it, I'd stay and die
too, like the folks in Jonestown.

For a prosaic analogy, replace a cult leader with an estranged wife
(or husband), and notice how many folks show up, kill the ex and then
themselves.  That's the consequence of shattered "cultism."  It really
does happen all the time.  [By the way, the treasured ideal in such
cases, without which life is meaningless, is the relationship, no
matter how abusive, rather than the individual's partner.]

...

----------------------------------------------------------------------
    [Why No News, Don't The Feds Owe The World An Explanation?]

I agree that official explanations are in order.  I can also see good
(?)  reasons for news blackouts.

 ... that no matter what, those people would have died, because Koresh
made sure they believed they had no lives outside his influence.
Hence it would make little difference when or how the FBI acted.  He
held them hostage, as his trump against going to jail, but nothing
would really stop him from offing them.  Even if the FBI went away!

Look at history.  Rep Leo Ryan (and some staffers) visited Jonestown,
at the request of constituents who had relatives there.  Once
Jonestown was discovered, and even though they killed Ryan and his
entourage ... they all killed themselves, because Jim Jones knew he'd
be busted.  Internal arguments asking to spare the children, brought
up by some of the women in the cult, were shouted down.  There are
tapes...  The "logic" of saying that no matter how bad the gummint is, it
wouldn't kill the kids, was shouted down as blasphemy, and the people
who brought it up were threatened with ostracism by people who by
THEIR OWN AVOWAL would be dead within the hour.  I suspect it's the
same with the Branch Davidians.
(There's a book on Jonestown by James Reston Jr., titled OUR FATHER
WHO ART IN HELL.  I don't know whether it's good - never read it.)

...
The only way to prevent such a problem would be never to investigate
reports of child abuse or sexual mistreatment, or organizations buying
full-auto conversion kits or shipping hand grenades via UPS, on the
off chance of stumbling across cults that would kill themselves. ...

So, the only way the BATF/FBI could "save" those people, and future
cults, is by ignoring such signs.

I suppose there's another way - outsmarting Koresh and tricking him
into letting them go, or somehow influencing "his" people to abandon
him while he owns most of their means of communication with the world.
... a mighty tough row to hoe. ...  I suspect the FBI tried to do that
with blackouts, noise and other sensory insults.  However, maybe
they're not very sophisticated, or maybe the job is impossible.  It's
certainly possible the guy running the show was a jerk.

...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
	[Why the FBI might want to blackout during and coverup after]

    ... - if they were doing a poor job of weaning the BD's from
Koresh, they'd want to keep it quiet so they wouldn't be embarrassed.

    ... - if they were trying to wean the BD's from Koresh, they'd
want to keep it quiet so he couldn't outflank them, or well-meaning
boneheads from ANY point of view wouldn't screw it up. ...  I _hate_
playing chess when the world screams in my face, especially if at
checkmate time people really die, and I could be blamed.

...

I don't think ignoring such incidents is a workable policy, unless you
deny the FBI, BATF, Child Protective Services (of whatever stripe) and
the rest of the gummint should exist at all.

		(the end)
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