"CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS"
                                    by: Hank Hanegraaff

         "Controversy for the sake of controversy is a sin.
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The Christian Research Journal, which is a quarterly publication by CRI
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today.


I did.  You're mistaken.  NSA's communications intelligence mission is
strictly against foreign governments.  Here's an excerpt from the enabling
charter (24 Oct 52, Truman) that should clarify this.  The charter was
declassified in about Feb 1990 when an FOIA request made it public.  Mind
you, I don't know that they never collect anything they're not supposed
to... but spying on US citizens isn't in their charter.

    b. The COMINT  mission of the National  Security Agency
	(NSA) shall be to provide an effective,  unified organization
	and control of the communications  intelligence activities of
	the United States  conducted against foreign  governments, to
	provide for  integrated operational  policies and  procedures
	pertaining thereto.   As  used in  this directive,  the terms
	"communications intelligence"  or "COMINT" shall be construed
	to mean all  procedures and methods used in  the interception
	of communications  other  than foreign  press and  propaganda
	broadcasts  and  the  obtaining  of   information  from  such
	communications by other  than intended recipients,  but shall
	exclude censorship  and the  production and dissemination  of
	finished intelligence.

They're also tasked with protecting the US's communications, but I haven't
seen the specific enabling memo on that.  I assume that's the role under
which Skipjack was developed.

NSA is not in the standard-setting business, though -- that's why this
Clipper stuff came from NIST, which I believe is tasked with coming up
with standards based on their best inputs from other government agencies,
which would include NSA.


Baloney.  Either the programmer or the people who decided to let their
actions be governed by the program are clearly at fault.  If you neglect
to do maintenance on your car, and the steering goes out, you _are_
responsible for the death of all those kids on the sidewalk your car
subsequently drives over "on its own".


Though this will be addressed in the series of articles I'm posting now under
"ARESNOKOITIA", I can't wait.  This just really blew my socks off.  Read I Tim
1: 3-11.  Verses 3-8 speaks against those who have perverted the teachings of
the Mosaic Law.  In vv.9-10, we have, *IN ORDER*, the 5th thru the 9th
commandments and in the midst of this listing is "homosexuals."  The decalogue,
above everything else, is seen as God's absolute.  If you don't believe in
absolutes, then you have nothing do do with Jehovah of the OT, which Paul
reveals to be the Messiah of the NT. "Lord Christ Jesus" transliterates to read
"Jehovah's Anointed Savior."
  In I Cor5, we see the same emphasis of moral separation from the pagan
gentiles as we do in Lev 18-20.  In I Cor 6:9-10, only one notation (drunkards)
is not found in Lev 18-20.  Paul was not naive in his use of the LXX.  He knew
full well how he was using the Law of God that was given in the OT, for
application in the NT.  As I've said, the Law was fulfilled, not done away
with.

This understanding is thoroughly rebutted in DeYoungs article that is being
posted.  Please refer to it.

We can do better than "probably" which is not an adequate defense against the
statement that Paul's culture didn't have the same understanding of
homosexuality as ours.
Again read the article because it uses facts.

I think I do, because I have worked in the homosexual community by means of
working with AIDs patients.  The pastoral is merely the practical application
of the theological truth however.  Those who are working thru the issue of
homosexuality need to have our love and understanding just as with a friend who
is contiplating cheating on his wife or a friend who lives with his girlfriend,
yet you continue to witness to him.  But, once the choice is made, and there is
no remorse, then I feel that Paul's "pastoral" care, as presented in the
Corinthian Church, come to bear significance.  THe one in active rebellion
should be placed outside of the church if a believer, and if a non-believer,
then one wipes his sandels and leaves it in Gods hand.  If there was a member
in your youth group who was constantly pawing at the little girls, you wouldn't
hesitate to deal with the matter quickly and decisivly.  That, in part, betrays
the present "political correctness" of the issue.  Pederasty is not accepted at
the present, but some how we are to accept homosexuality because the latter is
politically correct, while the former is not -at least not yet.  THis is how
the morals decay.

I guess this would follow the liberal application in the political realm of
economics.  The liberals want to tax the rich in the federal, yet in their own
states, when they try to get businesses to settle there, they give tax
incentives to these same richies.  It comes down to a moral code of
relativeness, or to use the cultural thing, politically correct -at the moment.
--Rex


What about disks?  Won't it erase them if you're carrying them in the bag?


Jeremiah:
25:27 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of
hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and
fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among
you.
25:28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to
drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye
shall certainly drink.


hi netters,

	I'm doing a project which is about image analysis.  Firstly, I
have to find out any restrictions or limitations on the colour display
on various kind of workstations, they are DECstation, HP, Amiga, Apollo.

	Secondly, I read from some graphic texts that image is displayed
in 24 bites(please point out to me if I got it wrong).  But, the images
which I will deal with are displayed in 16 bites by the software they
are using currently.  So, will there be any problems to display them
under X-windows in the future? Because we are thinking to implement the
GUI by X-windows for our project

	Is there any person here can help me to solve the problem or
query above?  Or, give me some advice or suggestion where I can find
them out.

	Please send me an e-mail if there are any.  Thanks in advance.

						Yours

						Christine Chan


Have there ever been any other no-hitters in Mariner history?


This homeopathic remedies.  I tried the dander one for a month. 15 drops
three times a day.  I didn't notice any change whats so ever.  How long
were you using the drops before you noticed a difference?


I am planning on buying a modem and related software. What are some good
products out there that won't cost me a lot of money but will still do
the job?

Any help will be appreciated.  I am looking for something in the 2400 baud
area.

Kenneth

--


Pete--
That was uncalled for. I'm sure Andi Beyer or whatever his name is
was a product of his environment before he came to school, and is
enjoying the mantle of THE UNIVERSITY to make his viewpoint seem
legitimate (well-reasoned). I'm at Virginia, too, and I think
maligning UVA is in poor taste, even if Beyer did slip in here.


This is kind of interesting.  I always assumed that the 240SX was named
because of the 2.4 liter engine which it uses.  Likewise for the 200SX
which uses a 2.0 liter engine.  Isn't this true?


Seagate ST-212, HH, 10MB, $25

IBM, FH, 30MB, $70

They all are MFM type and in good working condition.

Buyers pay shipping.


'63 to '82 vettes had the same basic chassis. 1980 add aluminum (weaker)
rear 'axle' housing.  All these years used same brakes, similar springs etc
  Late 70's was a bad year for GM reliability.  Catastrophic converter was
added in 1975.

Cheapest corvette '78 to '79 low end about 4k tops out about $12k except
for those morooons that think there '78 indy / 25th aniversity vette is
special.  These guys have been known to ask 25K.  I don't think they get it
.

Best buy: convertables 69 - 74.  I got my 69 for 5K - needs body work but
I'm willing.

Parts for all are readily avail at swap meets and mail order etc.

V-8 reliability / looks / independant suspension / 4 wheel disk and all
under 10K.  And they thought a miata was a good deal.

My origional inquires to my insurance agent: I can drive my '69 convertable
for 3000 miles or less per year, I must keep it in a locked garage and it
will cost me 2% of the stated value per year (does this sound right?).

Get an appraiser to look at the car. He will check serial numbers and look
for origional equipe.  Depending on what mods have been done the car could
be worth only 10K.  Problems like wrong engine / trans.  Wrong paint type (
vetts used lacquer)  An modification would reduce tthe value.  But your
looking for a car to drive right?

This sounds like a ball park price for a small-block (327 cu in.) / manual
/ no air car.  A 427 would put it closer to $30K.


I have the following CD's for sale for $5 each plus shipping
Body Count - (without "Cop Killer")
Yo! MTV Raps (volume 1)
Skid Row (1st album)
Bryan Adams - Waking up the Neighbours
Temple of the Dog
C + C Music Factory - gonna make you sweat

IBM PC games -
Eye of the Beholder 2 with cluebook - $25
Pools of Darkness - $18
Jet Fighter 2 - $18

Books -
Ancient Egypt, a Social History (retail $26, will sell for $8)
Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt (hardcover, 283 pages) - $18
Encyclopedia of Physics (hardcover, 1371 pages, 1990) - $25

+ shipping also on books and games


Jonathan, interesting questions.  Some wonder whether or not the moon could
have ever supported an atmosphere.  I'd be interested in knowing what
our geology/environmental sciences friends think.

As for human tolerances, the best example of human endurance in terms
of altitude (i.e. low atmospheric pressure and lower oxygen partial pressure)
is in my opinion to the scaling of Mt. Everest without oxygen assistance.
This was accomplished by a team of mountaineers who trained at high
altitudes for quite awhile (I think a few months) and then were flown by
helicopter from that training altitude to the equivalent altitude on
Mount Everest, where they began the ascent of our planet's highest peak
without oxygen tanks.  This is quite a feat of physiological endurance, because
if you or I tried to go to 20,000 feet and exert ourselves, we would probably
pass out, get altitude sick, and could even die from cerebral edema. So
this is the limit of low pressure.  High pressure situations would be
limited by the duration of time which it takes to slowly acclimate to a higher
pressure.  Skin divers would know alot about high pressure situations and
could tell you about how they safely make deep dives without getting the
bends.  Some military experiments have put people under several atmospheres of
pressure (not sure what the high limit was because the papers aren't in
front of me).  Usually at a certain point, the nitrogen in the air becomes
toxic to the body and you start acting idiotic.  Divers call this nitrogen
narcosis.  Those afflicted can do very dangerous and irrational things, like
taking off a diving mask and oxygen tank in order to talk to fish at 100 feet
under water.  (Hope any diving folk can elaborate on this matter, as I
am not a diving expert).

Mars cannot support human life without pressurization because the atmosphere
is too thin (1/100 th  our Earth's atmospheric density).  In addition,
the Mars atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide.  Basically, you would need a
pressure suit there, or you'd die from the low pressure.  Interesting huh?


I'm sure there are many people who work with neural networks and
read this newsgroup. Please tell Kevin what you've achieved, and
what you expect.

Indeed. I think dualism is a non-solution, or, as Dennett recently
put it, a dead horse.

Petri


Dave,

	What i recall from air craft maintence.  Torqque  and safety
wires or cotters  were more important, then if some bolt
face were nicked up.  If it was in bad shape you replaced it
with another $30,  aircraft grade bolt.  I can see adjustable spanners
eating up profit,  but lives?


Well, let me see if I can explain it.  It's similar to collecting coins,
or stamps, or campaign buttons, or coke bottles, or juke boxes, or model
trains, or just about anything else that is collected (and just about
everything is collected).  In all cases, you might consider it something
of an aberration; I mean, what purpose does it serve?  Not much really;
it's just a hobby.  The collector yearns for diversity (not much use in
having TWO of the same thing, except for trading/selling it), historical
significance (this was the thingy used by so-and-so), technical significance
(this is the only one that does such-and-such like this; this is the first
one to do it this way), rarity, and so on.

Some people use their collections, other people do not.  As you state, you
use your collection.  In one sense, this diminishes the value of your
collection as the items suffer wear and exposure.  In another sense, it
can enhance your own enjoyment of your collection.  Some people collect
firearms that they do not use; other people use some or all of the firearms
they collect.  It's just personal preference.

Oops, 'personal preference' ... I guess we're not supposed to have that any
more, are we?


But of course it does.   It's certainly a legal matter.  If it's not a
legal matter that interest *you* you may simply put it in your kill
file.


HONDA ACCORD FOR SALE
                =====================

-       4 Dr, Steel Grey, 1984 Honda Accord.
-       ~ 139K miles
-       5 speed (manual)  gives  around 30mpg
-       Brand new clutch (installed last month)
-       Original owner
-       AM/FM (Cassette doesn't work), A/C, Cruise Control
-       $2500/b.o
-       Runs great. Reason for selling: Recently purchased a new car


I read about a SuperTrapp system called E.A.R that was supposed to be
quiet enough to pass some European standards.  Apparently it's not
on the market yet...

Yoshimura makes a few systems that are supposed to be "kind of" quiet.
They are also really light.  I'm planning on getting one of these
systems soon, and will post the results.

- Mark
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Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750


I'm sure you are not.   After the "San Francisco" Earthquake
a couple of years ago, there was a flurry of traffic on
talk.religion.misc about how this was the result of the
notorious homo- this that and t'other in the City.

The fact that the Earthquake was actually down the road in
Santa Cruz/Watsonville didn't seem to phase them any.


930425

Rome was under attack by barbarians, they sent for advice to some Oracle,
and she said Worship Cybele and you'll be saved. They did, they were.

Cybele was the quintessential wiccan goddess, there was Her and her son &
lover, Attis. Yucky idea if you ask me. OK the book says she was Phrygian,
from the neolithic matriarchal society Catal Huyuk (Turkey). Worshipped 1st
as Black Stone (that Kaaba in Mecca ring a bell maybe????) Carried to Rome
in 205BC to save them from Hannibal.

Response:

Is there some relation between the name 'Cybele' and the phenemenon of the
'sibyl'?  Your paragraph above seems to indicate there might be.

My understanding is that Islam was founded on the remains of a goddess
cult or two.  Many Muslims would not like to hear that. ;>

You:

It gets more interesting. Romans called her Great Mother (Magna Mater),
could be the reason why so many of those Mary statues in Europe are black,
prob. IS connected to that Ka'aba they've got in Mecca, 3rd cent. AD She was
supreme Goddess in Lyons, France . . . Attis was castrated and formed into
a pine tree . . . she should be worshiped on 25 Mar . . . in Rome it was
an ecstatic cult, her priests wore drag, worked themselves up in dance and
castrated themselves in order to initiate to her, lived their lives as women.
They wore make up and jewelry and the whole bit.

Only other such primitive transsexualism I know of goes on in India (where
else?) where they do that castration thing under some meditation maybe, I
forget by now...there's a book on that.)

Of course, that excepts that weird Russian / Romanian 18th cent. Xian cult
that did all kinds of self-castration too, I forget their name.

Response:

I'd love to get details or references on any of the above.  My own exploration
of this issue has only extended to a brief examination of the Zuni 'berdache'.
_The Zuni Man-Woman_, by Will Roscoe, University of New Mexico Press, 1991
probably has some interesting things to say about them.  I've yet to
procure it.

Any details or references on:

Ecstatic cults in Rome, India, Russia/Romania (Christian too?) which
exhibit any type of transsexualism or transvestitism, male OR female
(though I expect mostly the former will be found ;>).

Thanks for your interesting posts, Charles. :>


Hi there,

I'm looking for help on hi-rez CGA modes (hey, i know it sounds crazy but at
the moment it's got to do). My card's manual says it does something like
640 by 400 2 colour and 640 by 200 4 colour (the card has 64k memory). Could
anyone give me some help on how to implement these modes (Assembly language
is fine). Any other usefull tips on the CGA regs will also help.

Thanx in advance...

Frans.

My eMail is


It will be ironic in the extreme if Spector manages to uncover a
government conspiracy and cover-up in this case. Maybe he'll posit a
Magic Grenade that lit fires in three wings of the building at once.


Heh, someone mentioned Tommy Soderstrom (Flyers) for the besk mask poll
too (in the mentioned below part).  All he has is a plain white helmet
with a big cage.
I found this pretty amusing.

					-John Santore

Philadelphia Flyers in '93-'94!

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You don't, and never had to.  That's what enhanced shells are for.  Remember
4DOS and NDOS?  I mean, come on, you can't expect DOS to cover everything
from R1.0.  Microsoft has other projects to work on.

I don't think they deliberately crippled the project.  On the other hand, it
IS a technical achievement for what it does considering that it rides on
top of DOS.  I mean, you get a GUI with reasonable speed on a PC.  With
XWindows running on top of Linux or something similar you're still gonna
need a fast processor.

[Re: DOS's death]

Except for the people who use DOS programs, which means about 75% or more of
the business world.


Being a a BLUES fan I don't get to see much else from around the league
with the exception of Hockey Night on ESPN.  I can't get the BLUES games
where I go to school, thus I don't get to see a whole lot of other teams
play except for the Hawks.  But last night I got to catch a glimpse of
the Caps/Isles game.  It occurred to me that Turgeon is a stud on skates.
His moves are quick and brilliant.  You NY fans should be proud.
P.S. Who won the game (Caps/Isles)?


Jason - I've heard the people who are talking about this dismissed as
conspiracy nuts, but nobody seems to be talking about a conspiracy, at
least at the beginning.  There were a lot of bad decisions that went into
this tragedy, and some people may now be taking some serious evasive
action to avoid being held responsible for the unexpected results of
those bad decisions.  Actually, the only ones I see that are tied into
a conspiracy theory are the ones raving about deranged cultists with
stockpiles of weapons and suicide pacts.

I think there are a lot of us that have been following this pretty closely
from the beginning, and we woud probably agree that this tragedy was more
the result of stupidity than malice.


I think a few things are being missed overall here... First of all, anyone
with a DOS manual can copy a disk, or copy anything (hidden files dont
go far if you are dealing with anyone who is not comletely DOS ignorant) off
of a hard disk. 'Professional' crackers aren;t interested in copying disks.
They are programmers who get some thrill out of going through unassembly
listings of programs to disable copy protection such as serial number
dialog boxes, volume label checks, and who knows what when it comes to
computer games.

Those people are in the minority, however. In my experience with the world of
people and software, it seems that a good majority of people (say 80%) will
at some point copy a friend's program ("Gee, you really oughta try this") or
accept a copy. These are people who normally would buy a software package
or do without, but decided that just once it wouldn't matter.

The last thing is people who own or are responsible for more than one
computer; most people aren't going to spend $150 * X# of computers for the
same software package.. they will just install it x# of times, especially
things like DOS upgrades.


How about changing team names!
Post your choices!

Here I'll start:
How about the
Baltimore Baseblazers
San Francisco Quakes


Personally, I'll be blasphemous and say that if Microsoft keeps doing
what it does so well, I hope to see much harsher/stricter copyright
and patent laws for computer algorithms, concepts, interfaces, and
other intellectual properties to protect real innovators. I'd hate to
be one who actually does innovate, and then have Microsoft come in
like a huge vulture and use their brute mass (development staff,
marketing, etc) to get fat off of my innovation. I don't have all
that much sympathy for Apple's complaint against Microsoft, since
they just took the ideas from Xerox's PA Research Center when the
Federal government forced Xerox to disclose their patents over
antitrust fears. However, for other companies and individuals who
have a great idea, yet get it "borrowed" by larger corporations who
can afford to quickly bring it to market, without any licensing from
the original innovator, I feel much sympathy.

Larry


: I heard about the arms sale to Saudi Arabia.  Now, how is it such a grave
: mistake to sell Saudi Arabia weapons?  Or are you claiming that we shouldn't
: sell any weapons to other countries?  Straightforward answer please.

Saudi Arabia is an oppressive regime that has been recently interfering
in the politcs of newly renunified Yemen, including assasinations and
border incursions. It is entirely possible that they will soon invade.
Unluckily for Yemen it is not popular in the West as they managed to put
aside political differences during reunification and thus the West has
effectively lost one half (North?) as a client state.


  There was a guy around here who would do them on an early pre fairing
Wing with a Hannigan. He would get it right up and ride a ways. Pretty
intimidating sight.

  He was real good. He had to be. I guess you wouldn't get away with
chopping the throttle more than once.

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It will certainly *help* to be able to run Windows and Dos apps but
the only way that Solaris or OS/2 or any other scheme is going to
challenge Microsoft is if they can somehow get the prices for Solaris
or OS/2 or whatever apps, down to a DOS competitive level.  Everybody
would rather run a Solaris app on a Solaris system and an OS/2 app on
an OS/2 system, they usually just can't afford a Unix system because
of the high prices for good Unix software.


See xwd, xpr.  Even better, grab xdump from ftp.cs.uwm.edu.  It makes use
of these programs as well, but has a much nicer interface (and can do more).
You can dump to PostScript, bitmaps, etc.


As I recall from Kieth Hernandez' 'auto'biography, Rusty is a devout
Roman Catholic.  Kieth and Rusty would carpool to Shea everyday but
Sunday, when Rusty would go to mass.
SC


Try coming up with your own definition of any or all "self-hating" peoples.
To me, any who reject their culture to the point where they *only* see the
absolute negatives of that culture (generally, or regarding a particular
event) and accept *only* those views purely opposing aspects of that culture
(thus, selective belief in and use of historical facts and a complete ignoring
of "context" results) "hate" their culture. That certainly describes Elias,
since he has no intention of recognizing that, alongside the Palestinian
experience and perspective, there exists also that of Israelis.
And, this is precisely why Israeli society has been tremendously harmed
by the actions it (its government) has *felt it had to take* in response
to an "other" perceived as a threat. Just as with you, there has long
been a strident and emotional debate about the pain Israelis feel when
forced to "balance" desires for survival and moral beliefs. The trauma
of having to make that choice is made worse by the fact that neither
can be conveniently brushed aside (as a result of a reasoned political
debate) for the sake of the other, only reshaped.


If you want slow LED flash rates, adjustable by switches (or by a
4066/4016 digitally controlled switch), I suggest looking at a 555
oscillator chip. They cost ~$1 at Radio Shack (much cheaper in
quantity at quality places), and you will be able to find good info
about simple circuits in a 555 oscialltor notebook (I think Forest
Mims has one at Radio Shack). You'll have to toy with
resistor/capacitor values OR you can use your head with a little math
to get the right frequencies. Any engineer worth his salt, can make a
555 osciallator... It's in the book, and left up to you to see (I hate
doing ASCII circuit graphics). The 555 can accurately go from a few Hz
to about 500 KHz (I think).

About the Tape Recorder gizmo, you could alter a stereo tape deck to
use one channel as a DATA line (for flashing LED), and one as audio
line (for voice or music). This would eliminate a lot of noise.

The data line is probably most easily done
by some kind of PLL or bandpass filter (using just an op-amp). The 565
chip is a good PLL, and not hard to work with. However if you nothing
about how a PLL works, I suggest you don't try this. Op-Amp
information can also be found in the Forest Mims Radio Shack
info-booklets, and the popular 741 op-amp is a snap to work with.
Setting frequency and bandpass filter values are not so easy, so I
would suggest the 555 method firstmost... I have no idea what this is
going into, so I am really generalizing...

As for manufacturing techniques, if you're only goofing with it, I
suggest you breadboard the thing... No need to solder. Wire-wrap would
be the next, more permanent step. And lastly, soldering/PCB making.
Hope that clears things......


What does this bill do?

McD


I badly need a pair of SEGA 3D glasses for a cheap VR setup.  If you have
a set and want to part with it, I can arrange shipping, etc.., and duty
if necessary.

Leave e-mail to:
davecru@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

or call

(403) 459-2893
ask for DJ.


A friend and I have ATI Graphic Ultra display adaptors, and they have
been reasonably good performers, but we both have had irritating compatibility
problems with the ATI drivers and are ready to change to something faster
and more compatible with windows. I have heard rumblings that the new Orchid
9000 card is very fast. Anyone have experience with this card? What is
currently available that is fast, compatible, does 1280x1024x256 non-
interlaced and cost under $500?

Ken Keirnan
--


Like it or not stock prices and sales of a particular product ARE measures
of success. They can be measures of short term or long term success. I think
in MS case they are a good measure of their long term success. The original
post mentioned how it seems on this group that there are a large number
of people attacking MS and not willing to accept anything positive about MS.
I was trying to make a point that the attacks are over emphasized and to
look at the sales of MS products they definitely tell a different story.


Why bother with a new newsgroup?  If you want to discuss the subject,
*start discussing it*.  If there is enough traffic to annoy the rest of
us, we will let you know... and *then* it will be time for a new newsgroup.


Can I view JPEG files without special hardware?


This happens intermittently to Macs in our department, ranging from IIsi's
to a Quadra 950.

I can end the slowdown immediately by unplugging the Ethernet cable from
the Mac. It seems that something on the network puts out these packet
storms every few days. These storms have the effect of making our Macs
slow down to a crawl.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu


I'm told that I can replace the colorful windows logo that appears as
windows invokes with a graphic of my choosing.  The challange is that the
image must be in 'RLE' format.  I've got GIF's, PIC's, JPG's, TIF's, etc...
everything but RLE's!

What's the best route to converting these things?
What program should I download, and from where?
Has anybody else done this, and do you have the steps available?


Where did that idea come from?  It's news to me.


This is very curious being that they are both built by Mercury in the
very same factory.

Steve


I bought a 386DX-40 motherboard for 50$... no documentation at all. Everything
appears to work, except I'm having trouble getting a few of the LED connectors
working. I've looked at the manuals for 4 other motherboards, but the pin
configuration doesn't look anything like what is on this board. Does this
pin arrangement look familiar to anyone out there??? Any hints on where I
can find this information?

                 1                 10
      "speaker"  . . . . . . . . . .
      "keylock"  . . . . . . . . . .
                 11          ^     20
                       J23   |
                             |The board came with a jumper vertically across
                              these two pins.

I can get the power/keylock to work across pins 11-15, reset across pins 9 and
19, but would prefer not to blow something up by further experimentation.
The date on the board itself is 6/92, opti chips.

I would really appreciate any help, and thank you in advance.


Because, unlike the UK, passing the average driving test over here
usually only requires a pulse & a single digit IQ. Every state controls
their own licensing requirements, so it's possible that there's a test
out there that actually requires some driving skills, but I doubt it.


cheek.


My doc handed me 10mg samples of CLARITIN (brand of Ioratadine Tablet
from Schering Corp.)  I tried to find it in the PDR to no avail. I
do remember she mentioned this drug was relatively new to the US but
available overseas for quite some time.

Looking mostly for side-effect, contraindications, and mode of action
such that it differs from Seldane and Hismanal.

Email or newsgroup is fine. Thanx in advance.


Hello Netters

	I recenlty aquired enough money to purchase a laser printer.
The other day, I bought the COMPUTER SHOPPER mag.  I was looking through
printer review section and noticed the WINPRINTER800.  The machine is
incredibly low priced for all the features it has

			800 dpi!
			8Meg RAM
			Postscript compatable
			envelope printing

My question is does anyone have one of these or know why the price is so
cheap?  I would appricaiate it if someone would pass on their knowledge
on this subject.  Thanks alot!

					Dave
------------------------------
Donuts are a girls best friend


 >in the field who might be able to find out haven't yet done their
 >review of the chip design, and there's been a lot of wild speculation
 >and guesswork from those with little information that it might be
 >Swiss cheese.

  Oh, that puts the debate on -excellent- terms for our side:

  FEDS:  You people saying that Clipper is insecure don't have any real
information to support that judgment.
  ME:  Fine -- show me this "information" that would prove me wrong.
  FEDS:  That's secret!


   On the other hand, Rush made an interesting point: The Democrats ran
   one of their best campaigns in years against a pathetic Republican and
   a paranoiac and still only pulled 43% of the vote, lost 10 seats in
   the House, and gained 0 seats in the Senate.  1994 might be pretty
   interesting.

Clueless of the world, take heart!  57% of the electorate is willing
to vote for "a pathetic Republican and a paranoiac"!!


I'm replying to someone who asked for information on space camp.
I have a brochure that has all different schedules. What age, what
level and what program do you want to know the schedule of? Most of the
missions are 5 to 8 days long. The address for Huntsville is:

Alabama Space Science
Exhibit Commission
U.S. Space and Rocket Center
One Tranquility Base, Huntsville, AL 35807

- Jennifer


I recently made the mistake of purchasing a SONY CPD-1320 monitor for my
Mac IIci.  The monitor is very good, however it seems that the IIci does not
support VGA (then why did you buy it you ask?  I am stupid I reply).  What I
am looking for is a video card, preferably 8 bit, which supports VGA.  I am
interested in any information I can get.  Offers for the sale of applicable
cards will also be considered.

Thanks in advance.


And unless I am mistaken (I screwed up my borrowed VCR and got the first 2
minutes :-), the Corrado SLC was awarded AJAC's Sports (Sporty?) Car of the
Year..

Mattias


=========================
commodore 128
1571 d/s disk drive
2 joysticks
1 mouse
lotsa software, both games and apps.
rapid fire joystick adapter
ALL necessary cables
==========================
about a year old

$95 OBO


Hello,

Our application requires us to capture keypad presses for all windows
in a number of applications.  We are trying to use action translation
tables to implement this.  We have only succeeded by assigning the
translation table to every individual widget in all windows in a single
application.  The Xt calls we make are included below.

It would be much more convenient if we could assign the translation
table to a class of widgets rather than individual widget instantiations,
and also accomplish it for MULTIPLE applications.  If someone could
describe how do this it would be greatly appreciated.

Platform: Sun Sparc w/ X11R4 & Motif 1.1.4

***********************************************************************

static XtActionsRec actionsTable[] = {
        {"up", do_up},
        {"right", do_right},
        {"middle", do_middle},
        {"left", do_left},
        {"down", do_down},
	{"bye", quit},
};

static char defaultTranslations[] =
		"<Key>KP_8: up() \n\
		 <Key>KP_6: right() \n\
		 <Key>KP_5: middle() \n\
		 <Key>KP_4: left() \n\
		 <Key>KP_2: down() \n\
		 <Key>KP_1: bye()";

XtTranslations	trans_table, trans_table2;

(. . .)

    XtAddActions(actionsTable, XtNumber(actionsTable));
    trans_table = XtParseTranslationTable(defaultTranslations);

    widget = XtCreateManagedWidget("msg", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,
		form, wargs, n);

    XtOverrideTranslations(widget, trans_table);


I think you would need a DOS macro program.  Superkey (by Borland?)
comes to mind.  I don't think Windows is capable of sending
keystrokes to a DOS window.

What you want to do sounds like a security problem to me, though.


GCC and other big programs seemed to crash about 15% of the time for me.
gcc gave something like "program as got fatal signal 11" and when doing
anything past the complexity of elvis, kermit, etc, I got kernel general
protection faults at *least* once a session.

I disabled my cache as suggested, and bingo, Linux is as stable as a rock
(it hasn't given me a core dump or kernel error yet).

Does any one know why the cache would do something like this?

Aldy
--
hernandz@andrews.edu


We have Suns running SunOS 4.1.3 and Openwindows 3.0 (X11R4). We have
used Xvision on a PC, setup to broadcast query to the UNIX xdm servers and
allow a user to choose a UNIX client in which to login: xdm will then
manage that display. I would like to do the same thing with xfree86
running under Linux, but I don't know how. I don't want to hardwire the UNIX
xdm to manage the PC displays as the PC's are not always running Linux
(let alone xfree86). I would like the same setup as provided by Xvision.

Can anybody help?
Thanks,


It varies. You may get a catalog or price list from the advertiser, or
if the ad was a specific product - a slec sheet on that product or line.


For those of you who complain about Don Cherry, and wonder why he is
popular...

the reply is Dick Vitale and John Madden and Bobby Knight and
Joe Garagiola and Howard Cosell.

John Madden picks Gary Clark of the Redskins for his All-Madden team
a lot, over much better receivers...for much the same reasons Cherry
sings the praises of Doug Gilmour...a little guy with heart...yet one
doesn't see a string of American posts saying that John Madden has
lost his marbles.

Dick Vitale is always promoting this kid from this high school or
that college with outrageous statements.

Why should Americans expect that Canada would not have such characters
in relation to our greatest passion...which is hockey?   Canadians
are very similar to Americans...culturally our sports are just hockey
and curling, whereas with Americans it is football/basketball/baseball
and bowling.


"This is your god" (from John Carpenter's "They Live," natch)


Can anyone figure out what kind of deranged parent was stupid enough to
bring their infant on a rock throwing crusade (or jihad, sorry)?  18-month
old infants certainly don't walk around the streets on their own.  That would
lead me to believe that some nimrod of a "parent" brought them along for a
little terrorism.

thats what happened.

Uhm, last I heard, the territories were disputed.  Israel's occupation is not
illegal.  They are legally allowed to remain there until a settlement is reached
with the arabs which, from the behavior of the Palestinian negotitating team,
will probably be never.

huh?  they were buying vegetables.


I am looking at buying a Dual Sport type motorcycle. This is my first
cycle as well. I am interested in any experiences people have with
the following motorcycles, good or bad.

	Honda XR250L
	Suzuki DR350S
	Suzuki DR250ES
	Yamaha XT350

Most XXX vs. YYY articles I have seen in magazines pit the Honda XR650L
against another cycle, and the 650 always comes out shining. Is it safe
to assume that the 250 would be of equal quality ?


...

If we are indeed talking about CS, then this is not quite accurate. CS is
"just" tear gas--albeit the worst kind. It isn't a nausea gas, and doesn't
have direct CNS effects. However, it's quite bad--much worse than CN gas. I
was briefly exposed to it once (during an engagement in Berkeley circa 1968
8^) and it's not the kind of thing you forget. It seems to be
moisture-activated--it not only made my eyes sting and water, but attacked
my breathing passages and lungs. Breathing was painful, and my entire face
felt as if it was on fire. These effects persisted for hours after
exposure, and I was coughing for days afterwards.  If I was exposed to a
dense concentration of this stuff in a closed space for several hours, I
doubt whether I could find the exit. Indeed, I can't imagine living through
it.


Yeah... and BMW 525e has 2.7 litres
		535      3.4

BTW - can someone out there please tell me how to put someone else's file
on and then reply to that so the other person's file and my own 'reply' go
to the newgroups together? (ps: just mail me personally)


This is a phenomenon known around work as ready-fire-aim. I am astounded at
the number of times people post strong opinions about things they not only
don't understand but publicly admit to not understanding. In fact, there's a
plausible argument that saves are a more rational stat than wins.

For the record, there are two ways that a reliever can get a save:
He must finish the game and either
1. have entered the game with the tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.
2. have pitched at least three innings effectively.
A pitcher may not get a win and a save in the same game.

But this is an argument that *wins* is a dumb stat, not saves.

This again doesn't support your claim about saves at the beginning of your
post.

 Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com


I've been using Final from CODA for some time, but suddenly it stopped using
my fonts. I have a 386 PC with lots of disk space and memory, a Postscript
laser, Win3.1, Finale 2.0.1 and I recently installed ATM 2.0. I've been
fiddling around with the Windows setup for some time, and when I needed to do
some work with Finale things didn't print properly. It might - and it might
not - have anything to do with the installation of ATM from 1.something to
2.0, but I don't have the old ATM lying around anomore.

The most annoying problem was that the Petrucci font didn't print, which is a
rather important font :-)

I managed to get direct printing to work if I included OwnPS=0 in the
[Finale] section of WIN.INI, but Compile PostScript Listing still doesn't
work; and it's those .EPS files I need. When I look at the .eps files
generated the only font which appears there is Courier. I found out that if I
manually changed the Courier 24-point to Petrucci 24-point in the .EPS file
everything worked ok, but I'd rather avoid that since I have a lot of songs
to work with.

And yes, in the Special/Font/Font names dialog box all the fonts I need are
listed, with the correct mapping between Finale, Screen and Printer fonts.
Finale is obviously aware of the fonts since direct printing of a score works
well (that is, after I included OwnPS=0), and all my other Windows
applications print Petrucci and the other fonts well.

Has anyone encountered problems like this?

What is the current version of Finale from Coda Music Software? I have 2.0.1

Are the people at Coda available on Internet or X.400?

I'd be grateful for all hints and help.                                -mats


How about the GNU people, handing out very good, free software?  I've also
distributed two decent-sized programs myself, the Go player Fumiko (at
ftp.u.washington.edu) and the Genetic Neural Network Programmer CEREBRUM
(somewhere out there).

I've only had time to write these programs because of scholarships and
grants.  The intended benefit to society, or a loophole in the system?


I am looking for info on products that can take
Windows source on a Unix box (such as Sparc), and produce a
Motif executable.  Another requirement is that MFC 2.0 should
be supported.  I already know of:

        Wind/U  by Bristol Technologies
        Hunter SDK
        MainWin by MainSoft

        Are there any others?

	I will post a summary if it's wanted.

				Daniel


Hi,
  I need to know if there is a 256 color graphics mode that allows multiple
pages.  I want something like mode 0x10 (640x350x16 2 pages).  I have been
experimenting with graphics by calling the BIOS with borland turbo c.  I
feel like I am flying blind in this area, and could use all the help that
you can give.

  Thanks,
	Ivan......


Well, let's delve one level deeper. Why is democracy better than tribalism or
other means of Govt.? The President of Georgia was elected with a thumping
majority and booted out later, w/ no objections from the UN. Similarly, the
people of Algeria elected an Islamic Fundemantalist Party into power but the
junta declared it illegal. In both cases, I personally have _no_ problems with
the outcome, but if the voice of the people is that hallowed thing that the
world community claims to revere so, why isn't it interfering there?

.
Exactly. My point is that it will inevitably turn out that way, and we can save
ourselves a lot of pain and trouble by simply letting people sort out their
problems on their own. Colonial interventions, even in Haiti, haven't worked
in the past. They had a 102 coups from 1845-1915. The US invaded in 1915. And left
in 1933, almost 17 years after they had intended to. Was it a success? Well,
look at Haiti today and of the past 40 years and decide for yourself. It _was_
a success so long as the US was in, from what I remember. But it didn't last
long, obviously.

Nobody did. People should have a right to self-defense. If the UN wants to arm
the Bosnians or Haitian revolutionaries or whoever, I have no problems with
that. I do when they cross that line and attempt to re-arrange boundaries, govts.
etc., the Vance-Owen plan being one such piece of insanity.

We finally have a clearly-stated point of difference. Colonialism can
have its good side, which is as you stated above - removing thugs from being
able to lord it over powerless people. I am worried that the bad side is what
will assert itself, and I am prepared to let natural forces take their course
if that will mean we can avoid the bad side of colonialism.

--
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If The University of Illinois shares these views, I'd be surprised.
They aren't that smart generally -:).


From article <C5wDMK.Jrn@hawk.cs.ukans.edu>, by 3s737abg@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Unknown Class User):
Saying things like that incline one to believe that you can't get it (SCSI)
to work for your setup (too bad). I've daisy-chained 4 SCSI devices off my
mac without a problem (limit is 7 SCSI devices in the daisy-chain). If it
isn't working for you, it's really better to state the problem (unless all
you really intend to do is try to get nasty e-mail, in that case perhaps you
would be better off posting to alt.masochistic type of newsgroup).
  /`-_                   callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 {     }/ Joel E Callan             Hey, why do you think I have the answer?
  \   ./  2909 N. 44th Street         May you sit on the tack of success
   |___|  Milwaukee, WI  53210        and rise to the occasion!


Last night, Boston Red Sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating Seattle
5-2.  Roger Clemson pitch not so dominate.  He walked at least 6 man in
first 6 inns.  But Valetin and Greenwell hit homeruns and Red Sox prevail.


I wonder why you say that?  I don't see why having a spouse and/or
kids would have anything to do with it.  It might if you brought
your kids to the game and wanted them to get home in time to get
to bed at a reasonable hour (in which case I'd probably decide
to take my kids to games on weekends, as many people do, or else
be prepared to leave the game early), but from what you say later
on, you don't bring your kids *or* your spouse to the game.
As it happens, I have a husband but no kids, and my husband usually
attends games with me.

I can see it's a problem if you don't bring your wife to the ballgame,
but that's a problem even if the game goes a trim 2 1/2 hours.  As far
as bagging work the next day, I don't really understand why that's
necessary, unless going to a game also means that you consume vast
quantities of beer (I note that this is the case for many guys).
If you don't think you can get up to go to work after a long evening
out, then don't have long evenings out during the week.

Look: if I pay between $8.00 and $20.00 apiece for tickets, plus $10.00
for parking, plus spending my time and energy driving to and from Boston,
plus spending additional money on concessions etc. at the ballpark, then
I see going to a game as a considerable investment of time and money.
I can't afford to go to a lot of games.  Hence, going to a game is a
big deal, like going to a play or an opera.  Maybe you have more money than
I do and can go to games all year long, so it's not such a big deal for you.
But I'm not interested in having games "sped up", any more than I want to
have _Die Walkure_ cut down to a convenient "weeknight version" of two
hours.  If I felt that going to a night game during the week would interfere
with my family life or my work life, then I'd choose to go to a weekend game.

IMPO.


** Talaris Lazer printer, 16pg/min **

I have a lazer printer from Talaris that suppose to printer 16 pg / min.

I have never set it up to use because I did not expect it to be any bigger than
a lazerJet IIp, but I', wrong.  It was purshase used when a company
liquidated it.

I will sale it for $350 + shipping.

Reply if interested/obo.


What is your reaction to people who claim they were abducted by space aliens?

Some of these people say, "I was abducted, experimented on, etc."
If we insist that these aliens don't exist is the burden of proof placed on
us. These people can give no hard facts but can give a lot of testimony to
back up their beliefs.

Replace <space aliens> with <elvis>, <big foot>, <blue unicorns>,
and we have a larger percentage of the population than I like to think
about.


Shhh--coke drinkers haven't found out about Phosphoric Acid yet.

:-)

David


Highway 12 is a great road.  Be sure to stop by the Anasazi (sp) village
museum near Boulder Creek.  Interesting lifestyle :-).  The views of Dixie
National Forest are stunning.


wrote in response to article <30975@galaxy.ucr.edu>, raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu

[IC] There are some Armenians here, in the USA.
[IC] In fact, there are some areas where Armenians are majority.
[IC] Suppose, a large group of people of one of such area decides,
[IC] that the US "government is not representing their interests, and vote for
[IC] seperation" from the USA.

The Armenians you refer to have chosen to come to the United States lawfully
and peacefully. However, if Armenians invade the United States and force
Americans to either flee or become Armenians, it will not succeed. Similarly,
the Armenians of Karabakh are being forced by Azerbaijan to either become
Azeris or leave, and it also will not succeed, as has been demonstrated.

Karabakh, irrespective of its geographic position situated technically within
the Stalin-prepared borders of Azerbaijan, has been long oppressed and
eventually was invaded in 1991 by Azeri OMON and Soviet forces, resulting in
the northern third of this Armenian area being depopulated of Armenians. The
Armenians have been fighting back ever since.

Clearly, you feel it rather ridiculous for Armenians, of let's say Glendale,
California, to engage in an independence movement for a free and independent
Glendale. Similarly, the Azerbaijanis are engaging in a losing attempt at
claiming sovereignty over the land and people of Karabakh, who have lived
continuously in Karabakh a thousand years before the first Central Asian
invaders ever stepped foot in the Caucasus.

[IC] Should they get it?
[IC] And should the UN enforce their will?
[IC] And is it a simple, beautiful concept, indeed?

Your analogy has broken down because you have switched positions of the victim
and invader. A better analogy would be the direct parallel between Armenians
of Karabakh and Native Americans. Now, if you wish, we can discuss the tenets
of might versus right and the policies of settler nations!


	In what way David?  Our government is totally out of control,
	whether you realize it or not.  I know you find it painful to
	think of your old buddy Uncle Sam as evil but it's true.  Other
	democracies have fallen before.  Ours is on its way and knee-jerk
	sheep that instinctively trust government are helping it slide.
	Power corrupts David, why is that so hard to understand?


[...]

I think you are mistaken in thinking Tom Scharle to be a atheist.
You will find both atheists and Christians among your opponents on t.o.
Calling your opponents them "Branch Athiests zealots" does nothing for
your credibility.

Oh yes, do.

Dear me. This is taken _so_ out of context that it's hard to know where
to start... The quote starts with material from p 78, and ends with material
from page 81!

On page 78, there's the bit that says (the parts left out in John King's
"quote" are marked by <>):
"<...> the doubt that has infiltrated the previous, smugly confident certitude
of evolutionary biology<'s last twenty years> has inflamed passions <and
provoked some very interesting thought and research>."

Eldridge goes on immediately following the butchered quote:
"In short, evolutionary biology has entered a phase of creativity that is
the hallmark of good, active science."

The material that is on page 81 that is "quoted" by John King has been
butchered even more severely:

"<I mention this only to illustrate the> **There is**[these words not
in the original text-prl] lack of agreement even within warring camps
<: things are really in uproar these days, and each of the "basic" ways
of looking at evolutionary biology has its minor variants.> Sometimes
it seems as if there are as many variations on each evolutionary theme
as there are individual biologists."

Eldridge goes on:
"But that's the way it should be; this is how science is supposed to operate."

And just a few sentences down:

"When they [creationists] misrepresent the exuberant, creative doubt and
controversy permeating evolutionary biology these days, they are actively
promoting scientific illiteracy."

And that, John E. King, is precisely what you have done with Eldridge's
article. Are you personally responsible for the butchery of the text or
have you pulled it out of some creationist propaganda? You owe the people
reading t.o an apology for posting such misrepresentation.


Hi,

   Could someone explain to me what exactly the Xlib functions

XCreateRegion, XPolygonRegion, XPointInRegion do, or to

suggest a ftp site where I can find programs using these functions.

PS: The man pages does not explain much ......

Thank you,
Leo.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonidas Nikidis : ln@doc.ic.ac.uk	Imperial College, London,UK
					Dept. of Computing


  [excellent and helpful list deleted]

  Wes's list is of "do"s and "don't"s for writing your Congressional
representatives is a fine one but I'd like to encourage people to pay
extra attention to the point above.  As cliched as the saying may be
it's nevertheless true that you can catch more flies with honey than
with vinegar.

  While the writing styles prevalent on the net possess a certain charm
please remember that the person reading your letter is likely to be
uninfluenced or negatively influenced if you express your concerns in
a way that makes you sound like a flake or a paranoid crackpot.  Wild
and unsupported accusations about the menace from the NSA will not
carry much weight, nor are overblown conclusions about the inevitable
consequences of the proposal likely to convince (especially not ones
that attempt strained analogies to the rise of the Nazi party.  Please
save the Niemoller quote for another letter..)

  If you want your opinions to be taken seriously it is *very* important
that you state those opinions in a manner that is understandable and
seems reasonable to a layman.  Don't overburden your reader with technical
details or expect them to know the history of various encryption
technologies.  Before you mail it, hand your letter to a non-technical
friend and ask them to sanity-check it.

  Above all, realize that legislators are often motivated as much by
self-interest as by anything else.  Try to point out risks in terms that
will be meaningful and motivating to them such as the loss of individual
privacy rights or the damage restrictive export regulations do to American
businesses' ability to compete in the global marketplace.  Pull the
strings that you think will work with your legislator -- if your
legislator is unlikely to be swayed by civil-rights concerns then point out
how a government-granted monopoly for Mycotronx damages the competitiveness
of businesses in your district that manufacture or market phone or crypto
technology.


Good question.  It's my impression, not backed by evidence, that general
south-of-the-borderness seems to exempt one from the hiring-firing effect
I was talking about.

Back in the 20's there were some attempts to hire black Cuban ballplayers;
they were rejected by the commissioner and others.

Well, what *did* I mean to say?  Aside from some short-lived exceptions
such as Japanese internment in WW II, only blacks were affected by laws
regarding: slavery, Jim Crow, miscegenation, military service, etc.  If
my claim of exclusivity is not 100% airtight, that is, if you can come
up with this or that exception, fine -- have a cookie.  But compared to
this list, no other racial group put up with a legal onslaught worth
discussing at length.


Quoting dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com in article <1993Apr26.150434.227@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>:


	Viola has only played in the NL with the Mets -- not possible for him
to have defeated or lost to every team.  Ditto for Tanana who was mentioned
in a previous post.

	I don't remember if Seaver managed to get a win against the White Sox
in his brief sojourn with Boston so I'd say the other pitcher to defeat every
team is either Mike Torrez (he bounced around enough for a long enough period
of time) or Koosman as mentioned.  I would also guess that if one of these
two did not manage to beat every team he did manage to lose to every team.

Tom


I'll post my guesses to some of these and other trivia questions posted.

For most career K's with one team, if it's not Ryan, perhaps Steve Carlton.
With the Rangers, Hough was there for a long time.

In the 100 saves department...Maybe Lee Smith(he should have at least
a hundred with the Cubbies, maybe enough with either the RSox or Cards.)
Then maybe, Gossage?(NYY and SD), Fingers (MIL, OAK)

Don't know about the homers/steals dept.

In some other article,(Mets trivia), it could be Tim Leary in at least
the losing to all teams, maybe beating all of 'em too.  Probably Seaver
and Koosman fit too.

And in Randy Johnson's no-hitter, I think it was Scott Bradley, the
other half of the old Mariner catching platoon, who was behind the plate
that night.


(Peter > > Simple logic arguments are folly.  If you read the Bible you
will see

I can't. It seems Jesus used logic to make people using logic
look like fools? No, that does not sound right, he maybe just
told they were fools, and that's it, and people believed that...
Hmm, does not sound reasonable either...

I find it always very intriguing to see people stating that
transcendental values can't be explained, and then in the
next sentence they try to explain these unexplained values.
Highly strange.

Cheers,
Kent


You can configure devices for the same IRQ as long as you don't use them
*simultaneously*, under Dos at least. Both LPT1: and SB just sit there until
you tell them to do something. You can't configure a SoundBlaster for IRQ7
if you got an Ethernet Card which hits that IRQ a thousand times or so per
second.


I'm interested in this from the other angle: what antihistamine can I
take at bedtime for relief of allergies, with the assurance that its
sedative effect will have completely worn off by the next morning, but
preferably with the anti-allergy effect lasting longer?

I'm thinking mainly of OTC products. Which has the least duration of
sedative action: Benadryl, Chlor-Trimeton, or what?
Note that I'm asking about duration, not intensity.


The problem is that QuinZip is very very slow.  So I think that WinZip 4.0
is still the best choice to use pkzip in Windows!


:	I'd really like to see such a thing developed so that interactive
:internet talk radio could be done. Ideally, though, it should be a general
:purpose device. It should be a general purpose enough device that nobody
:should be able to balk at its widespread use. Obviously, to make it easy
:for homebrewers, it should use pretty common hardware.

I suggest we start with the ubiquitous Sun, to get a lot of momentum
going.  Custom hardware isn't going to go anywhere until there's a
user base.

:	Anyone interested? I'll start a provisional mailing list. Let
:me know if you want on.

Count me in.  I need someone at the US end to experiment on the
protocols with, and I like the way you code.  Give me 3 weeks to
move house and settle in then we'll go for it seriously...


That is the result of watching anti-Muslim 'SDPA' Nazis/crooks/idiots
too much. Still covering up the crimes of your fascist Armenian grandparents
and Nazi Armenian parents? Not a chance. As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian
asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that the Armenians

        'lean toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]

At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would
actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World
War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of the Muslim
population of Eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological
tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before
the outbreak of the Second World War.

In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted
in the 'Hairenik Weekly:'

"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall
 see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
 and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
 the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
 strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
 On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
 bereft of social sanctities."[2]

[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
   1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
   Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.

In April 1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus.
A number of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German
officials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian
Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku.
Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his
Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the
creation of an Armenian SS formation in order

"to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the
 spirit of the Nazi ideas."

He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories
of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish
homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels
Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language
radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were
produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2]

[1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106.
[2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129.

The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored
by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the
establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any
official position. His views were represented by his men in the
respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro
and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942.
Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after
a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to
Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1]

A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not
'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy.
As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians
were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August
1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of
Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs.

[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113.

Need I go on?

Serdar Argic


A word of warning for those of you registering for SIGGRAPH '93.
I just received my registration form back in the mail with the
envelope marked "Return to sender. Moved - Left No Address.
Closed PO Box". The address I used to register for SIGGRAPH '93
is the one printed on the registration form:

     ACM SIGGRAPH '93
     PO Box 95316,
     Chicago, IL 60694-5316

I printed the envelope in my best printing, honest but evidently
SIGGRAPH '93 has skipped town or moved?

I ended up faxing my registration to: 312-321-6876. I hope that
number is real!


It should be noted that the US benefitted not only from German science and
technology after WW2 but also from British science and technology. From the
discovery and manufacture of penicillin to jet engines, swing wing aircraft,
the hovercraft etc etc. all were shipped lock-stick-and-barel across the
Atlantic. We still are suffering from this sort of thing because of some of the
more parochial aspects of US procurement policy. Meiko, a British
parallel computer company, for example, has now moved most of its facilities to
the US since that was the only way it could sell stuff over there.


I still have about 70 records left on hand, all in pristine condition
(except where noted), quite a few out-of-print and more than a few
imports in the bunch.

Rather than selling the majority for $3-4 each, I'm looking to barter
packages for stuff that you might be selling over USENET.  I'll also
trade for other records in very good condition that you've replaced
with CD, as well as pre-recorded videos on Beta or VHS.  In the past,
I've been able to make deals based on the equivalent list/store price
(e.g., 1 CD = 1 movie in Beta format*) to get around what you or I
might have originally paid (as if we can even remember!  (-;) **

[At this time, I'm looking for a set of working AA NiCad rechargable
batteries ... if you have some lying around, and they're sound, RSVP!]

So if you're curious, RSVP for my list and if you see anything that
you like, send back a proposal for a record package and a copy of
your ad for the stuff you're selling ... thanks!

gld

* i.e., the imports and out-of-prints are also valued at 1 used CD;

** I once got a 2400 baud external modem for 10 records (list $81);
Anybody got a nice, unused blender for making frozen margaritas? (-;

PS: There have been NO additions since the last posting in February;
        the list has only shrunk as I've made a few deals since.


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Research Positions in 3D Graphics

ECRC is currently expanding its research staff in three-dimensional
graphics. We are looking for highly qualified researchers with a PhD in
computer science and a proven ability to conduct highly innovative
research. Preference will be given to candidates who have strong
experience in developing and implementing algorithms for
three-dimensional graphics, visualization and user interaction. We
presently have positions available for both experienced researchers and
recent graduates.  Candidates with especially strong backgrounds may be
considered for positions as visiting scientists or for Ph.D. student
research positions.

The European Computer-Industry Research Centre is located in Munich,
Germany with English as the working language. The centre is funded by a
consortium of major computer companies, with a mission to pursue
research in fundamental areas of computer science. Active areas of
research include visualization and user interfaces, distributed
computing, parallelism, deductive systems and databases. The center
employs 45 researchers of 21 different nationalities.

The small but rapidly growing graphics group is currently investigating
new methods for three-dimensional human-computer interaction and the
integration of computer vision and computer graphics technology. The
center has extensive computing facilities which includes Sun
workstations, Apple Macintoshes, a well equipped graphics laboratory and
network access to super-computer facilities.


Sega Genesis Games For Sale:  (All these games just $25 each!)

Galaxy Force II
Jordan vs. Bird (One on One, shoot-outs, etc.)
Powerball
Test Drive II: The Duel (comes in box)
Valis III by Renovation

Also for sale:
Sportstalk Football '93 starring Joe Montana	$35

All games include manual and case.  Shipping is $4 per order (2nd day priority).


]Furthermore, in response to an earlier message, the 1992 U.S. est. output of
]sulfur dioxide (20 mill. tons) was equivalent to the entire output by the recent
]eruption of Mt. Pinautubo(Sp.).  Currently world carbon dioxide levels set at approx.
]360 ppm, in the past 120,000 years it has never gone above 280 (this info
]was found using ice core samples from the joint French/Russian/U.S. Vostok
]project).  Furthermore,  the background emmisions of chlorine compounds into
]the atmoshpere is about 0.6 ppb annually, it now sits at 3.5.  This OVERWHELMING
]data/info is found in the World Resources doc. published by Oxford University.

Good evidence.

]The ozone hole in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres keeps getting bigger
]and stickin' around longer whilst skeptics ponder how wrong or corrupt all this
]data from government and international scientific institutions is.  It is a pity, that,
]if the skeptics are wrong and we base our complacency on their Limbaugh
]psycho babble, then we will find ourselves strapped by limited options with
]which to rectify the primal engineering of our industrial age.

What ozone hole in the northern hemisphere?

What exactly will happen if we get an ozone hole in the upper atmosphere?
According to the senior chicken-little at NASA, as much more UV radiation
as if one moved 100 miles south.  Certainly not the calamity that is being
imagined by eco-lunatics.

CO2 is going up.  So what.  There's no evidence that the increase is
due to burning fossil fuels, no evidence that increasing CO2 will increase
temperatures, and no evidience that raising temperatures will do anything
but good--ie make millions of acres of tundra into productive life-bearing
land.


I hate to disagree, but I will. :)
(note: I don't pirate software, nor do I trade it. I simply have met and
talked extensively with those who have. that's it. the FBI can tap someone
else's phone :)
Most pirating is done by people who don't use the programs they pirate.
A cracked program tends to get passed on, resplendant in the various graphics
and animations that advertise whoever performed the modification(s).

I admit that a large portion of the business world is involved in 'giving'
copies of programs to one's fellow workers, maybe taking it home for use
on one's own PC, but such trading tends to be interdepartmental or at most
spread throughout the business as a whole- how many times have you had
someone walking from business to business letting people copy disks?

It's mostly a matter of convenience: a person sees a program they want to
use and they feel justified in making a copy since "someone's already paid
for it", etc., etc. (A note: this is starting to change a bit. not much
though.)

what about commercially available copy programs? CopyII?
how about programs like teledisk, that can do things diskcopy can't?
and before anyone disputes this because they feel that those who would copy
wouldn't know about this:
  after working with people around computers, one comes to realize that
the 'average' user doesn't know much. Any computer enthusiast is at least
200x better at pre-guessing commands and how to use them (can *you* sit down
and use something without reading the manual?) and it is these people who
are doing the '20% pirating', not Joe Windows User who can't remember a few
arguments to the dir command.

really? I find it evens out- the online stuff can be read through faster,
but you're stuck reading it in linear flow: start to finish, unless you
jump ahead with a search or such. A book, though, you can flip through
faster than you can read text on a screen and they usually have a nifty
index too!

But I partially agree: I often wish I could grep something that was written
down.

what if they need to re-install? The idea of a backup still holds- if
the original disk goes bad, they're out of luck for about 1-2 weeks, which
is the usual turn around time for a company to send a new set of disks-
if they'll do it without a charge.


   I guess I would react rather strongly to this line of thinking carried
out!  When you think "your army" is stronger than "mine", you would
"righteously" take my children and baptize them, doing what you know is
really "best" for them.
   You cannot possibly put this kind of action, nor the crusades into the
context of the teachings of Jesus/God.  I think he advocated a different
approach that was *by design* made to be appealing, to those called by him,
not chosen by a church practice.
   It seems to me you have the cause and effect switched, the change comes
and then you get baptized.


i also noticed this was out.  the readme that comes with it
doesn't tell you squat, except to warn you that bad things may
happen.  anyone have any idea what these can do for me in terms
of, say, performance ?


The peaceful attempt to serve the warrant was met with gunfire. Due process
was not served because the Branch Davidians wanted it that way.

*You* think on that.

--
"Milk is for babies; when you're a man, you drink beer" - Arnold


+>
+> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going,
+>nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
+>
+> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when
+>you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing.
+
+Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
+but I've never actually done it.

I've had people in cages wave at me or give me the thumbs up on
occassion.  (I always return the wave or thumbs up).  That never
happened to me until I started riding Harleys, so that may have
something to do with it.

Why not try waving?  What bad could happen?
____________________________________________________________________________
		Russian Roulette is fun 5 times out of 6


Well, I agree.  I hope others chime in with suggestions on specific
technologies which could be applied towards the maintenance of an
Earth like atmosphere on a long-duration spacecraft.

Tim et al:
I think we should try looking at atmosphere first.
This seems to be the single most fundamental issue in keeping anyone alive.
We're all taught that when supporting a patient
you look for maintaining airway. So, in keeping with my trauma training
(and keeping my emergency medicine professor happy), I suggest that
we look at the issues surrounding a regenerable atmospheric circuit.

Howz that Tim?


Well, I think you might want to visit a doctor who is familiar with
sleep disturbances, because antihistamines only help induce sleep when
they're used intermittently; they lose their sedative effect if they're
used on a nightly basis.  Their anticholinergic effects (drying of secretions,
relaxing effects on smooth muscle) can be problematic in some people, such as
those with glaucoma or prostate enlargement.

Antihistamines like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or doxylamine (Unisom)
are potent sedatives which are useful occasionally.  Chlorpheniramine
(Chlor-Trimeton) is said to be less sedative, but 8mg seems to work
well in some people.  Both chlorpheniramine and doxylamine have long
half-lives compared to diphenhydramine, and so may produce a residual
hangover or "drugged" feeling the next morning.


   >
   > Bull shit. There is no reason in the world why we can't say that
   > taking views analogous to the KKK's or some such organization is
   > wrong. There is no reason why some morality may not be legislated. As
   > it is we do not allow theft, or murder, or rape. Why should we allow
   > hateful sppech whose only purpose is to stir anger and violence.
   >
   > Harry.

	   Actually, You're wrong as well. The KKK is allowed to
   march and any attempts to curtail their freedom is rejected
   (Actually I believe the ACLU won a case for them last year).
	   Morality should not be legilated in a free country like
   the U.S.

Yes. That seems to be the problem. Even Germany now has laws for its
military where soldiers are *required* to disobey orders if they
believe the orders are morally incorrect.

Naziism is prohibited in Canada, Germany (others?). How pray tell is
Canda any less free than the US?

	   I'll post something on TJ and Uva under Uva for those
   Hoos bashers.


psionic@wam.umd.edu, whose parenthesized name is either an unfortunate
coincidence or casts serious doubt on his bona fides, posts a message in
which he seems willing to take the word of a private firm about which he
knows little that their new encryption algorithm is secure and contains no
trapdoors, while seemingly distrusting that of the government about clipper.

I suppose it depends on how paranoid one wishes to be, but how does the
writer know the firm isn't, for example, an NSA front? For purposes of this
message, how do we know "psionic" isn't?

I don't suggest that, but post this to point out that there is a class of
speculation that has no more truth value, without lots of hard evidence,
than the contrary one.

By the way, if "psionic" had said, in lower case letters, that the firm
CLAIMS there was no back door, I'd have no problem with that phrasing.

David


Hi folks,

I'm trying to compile xfig 2.1.7 on a SS1+ running SunOS 4.1.1 and OW 2.0,
and I'm having a little trouble with make/imake.  Specifically, make bombs
when it needs to use any Xaw file.  This isn't surprising since X11 files
on Suns with the standard OW 2.0 distribution are in various places under
/usr/openwin (Xaw files are in /usr/openwin/share/include/X11/Xaw !!)
Actually, the real problem is that I know squat about imake, and I don't
know how to tell imake where the X11 files are.  I can see from the
Makefile that it's looking in the wrong places, but the first line of the
Makefile reads

   # Makefile generated by imake - do not edit!

Help!  Is there some way I can edit the Imakefile to tell it where to
look?  (I have set DEFINES = -DOPENWIN_BUG, as it said to in the README
file.)

Email and post are both fine.

Thanks in advance,


Interesting delema for all those out there.
My school is discussing installing a Mac lab of 10 to 15 stations for our Bio
100 to 103 classes to do a study with pig disections.  (no joke)  Here is the
deal. We can get this grant to do a study on if it is more feasible to do a
disection via the computer or via the real thing.  My problem is I was somehow
drawn into this project (being done by students who want to go Mac but know
NADA about them, being the man mac man on campus, guess who they came to?) so I
wnt to know what would probably be the best hardware to fill the follwoing
list?  Right now we are looking at the C650 8/80 and the 2vx 5/80 platforms.
Ok here it goes:

	We are using cd-rom, so ought we go with the internal Apple Cd-roms
offered as options in the 650 and vx or go external. It is a matter of price
and reliability, the second being VERY important.
	How much RAM?  I was thinking 5-8 more leaning towards 8?  What do you
think?
	Ok, called apple educational discounts and they said their keyboard
(extended) is 160.30. Is it better to go with the Apple and their long time
great wear and tear record, or is there a 3rd party extended keyboard that is
just a reliable?  Price?
	Printers:  One color printer we are presently leaning towrds the
Thermal Wax Tektronic 200e or 200i (Probably the e as we are going to limit
access so we don't needed the i's networkability)  So, what do you think in
terms of color printers?  Different brand?  Kind (Dye Sublimation?  Ink Jet?)
Price? Companies?  1800 #s?  Also, we are looking to get a laser printer or
such to network into the whole lab for noraml printing.  The fornt runner is
the Apple Pro650 (is that right don't have my notes here?) at 1650.
Suggestions?  We have kids using these things all day if this lab goes through
and they know nothing about it for the most part. It has to be reliable, easy
to maintain, and economical (ie, not high priced paper cartidges, etc).
	Finally, and this is my little dig into the Project. What about netting
these things?  We have ether nearby and I would like to slap the macs on the
net, but, server?  Individual ether?  Forget about it it is going to be
astronomically priced and the school is going to laugh at you when you ask
them?
	Little more info, I am a Poli Sci major who just happens to know alot
about macs but this is a bit out of my league, not to mention I don't have the
time to go and look for all of this stuff. So I am hoping the collective
resources and intelect of the net can help (Has before) [Shameless plug: BUY
EMPOWER!!! Great Security Program!!!]
	Disclaimer:  This post is not and will never be supported by my
University.  They do not condone in any way my using this media to illict info.
This is a proj by bio majors so they re the real persons.
	Anyinfo please send to the email above or to make it real clear
rmwbb@wittenberg.edu  And damn I hope my editor is alive when I get done typing
s there is not another stupid blank post.
	I reserve the right to claim all this info as mine and use it to get
everything I want form my Universities red taped administration.  This info may
be used for blackmail purposes and for obtaining undo amounts of praise and god
like status. This info may also be used to get credits I probaly really don't
deserve.
	That is the ned of it. Any questions?  And thanks ahead of time!!

Once again taping the collective genius of the internet,


I have the following CD's that I'd like to sell:

	M.O.D.  	Gross Misconduct
	Metal Giants	(at early metal compilation including Aerosmith,				Mountain, Blue Oyster Cult, Judus Priest, etc.)
	Metal Church 	Blessings in Disguise (excellent)
	Slayer 		Hell Awaits
	Anthrax 	Among the Living
	Whiplash	Power and Pain
	Dream Theater	Images and Words (Pull me under)
	Exodus		Fabulous Disaster (Heavy)
	Death Angel 	The Ultra Violence  (hard to find)

All CD's are in excellent condition (no scratches or skips).   After
checking several similar articles, it seems the going rate is $8.  Hence
CD's are $8.00 postage paid.  Please e-mail me if you are interested,
as I rarely read these groups.  I'll ship asap after receiving cash, check
or money order.  e-mail me for my snail-mail address.


I wouldn't think so.  Asking people to trust a secret algorithm seems
unsound to me.


For some time I've been thinking about the possiblity of starting a group
where scientific articles can be published (or perhaps just summaries).
Possible advantages would be:
* Free disribution
* Fast acceptance
* Online discussion between authers and readers

This would be possible with one group with a moderator for publishing the
articles and one perhaps without for discussion.

The best thing would be if all the articles would be in a standard format which
would make it possible to print or view the documents camera ready. Perhaps
Postscript or Rich Text Format?

But how do you start a new group? Anyone interrested?


   I would also be interested in the application here.  I work with a Dance and
   Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot
   wide stage from 50 feet away.

Could make for some interesting choreography... light and sound could be
controlled directly by the position of a dancer on stage, or by the number
of dancers on stage. Neat.

You could even build a spotlight that follows the dancer around on stage!

Can you tell us more about what you're doing? Sounds like a very cool program.


I have a Powerbook 170 4/40 that is over 1 year old with no warranty but, in
perfect condition (with original Apple fax/modem), that I would consider
selling you for around a $1000.  Get back to me with what you think would be
equitable arrangements (sp?).  Have all manuals and system disks, some software
in boxes and loaded, but threw out the Mac packaging.
-ts-

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Can anyone around here point me to information regarding STEREOSCOPIC images?
I believe I saw some at a show room in Texas (Lone Star Illusions)  and
they were amazing.  I've now heard that they were created with a simple
graphic program.  Does anyone have any of these images digitized??
I really want to find a out as much as I can..


1) Lucas film
2) Pixar
3) 3D/Eye Inc.
4) Light & Magic


Tell me are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending.

A fire insurance is not an offensive weapon.

A spare tire is not an offensive weapon.

		 	How should one deal with a man who is convinced that
		 	he is acting according to God's will, and who there-
     Jokke		fore believes that he is doing you a favour by
		 	stabbing you in the back?


BIOLOGICAL ALCHEMY

                        ( ANOTHER Form of COLD FUSION )

               ( ALTERNATIVE Heavy Element Creation in Universe )

               A very simple experiment can demonstrate (PROVE) the
          FACT of "BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS" (reactions like Mg + O
          --> Ca, Si + C --> Ca, K + H --> Ca, N2 --> CO, etc.), as
          described in the BOOK "Biological Transmutations" by Louis
          Kervran, [1972 Edition is BEST.], and in Chapter 17 of the
          book "THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS" by Peter Tompkins and
          Christopher Bird, 1973:

               (1) Obtain a good sample of plant seeds, all of the same
                   kind.  [Some kinds might work better that others.]

               (2) Divide the sample into two groups of equal weight
                   and number.

               (3) Sprout one group in distilled water on filter paper
                   for three or four weeks.

               (4) Separately incinerate both groups.

               (5) Weigh the residue from each group.  [The residue of
                   the sprouted group will usually weigh at least
                   SEVERAL PERCENT MORE than the other group.]

               (6) Analyze quantitatively the residue of each group for
                   mineral content.  [Some of the mineral atoms of the
                   sprouted group have been TRANSMUTED into heavier
                   mineral elements by FUSING with atoms of oxygen,
                   hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, etc..]

               BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS occur ROUTINELY, even in our
          own bodies.

               Ingesting a source of organic silicon (silicon with
          carbon, such as "horsetail" extract, or radishes) can SPEED
          HEALING OF BROKEN BONES via the reaction Si + C --> Ca, (much
          faster than by merely ingesting the calcium directly).

               Some MINERAL DEPOSITS in the ground are formed by micro-
          organisms FUSING together atoms of silicon, carbon, nitrogen,
          oxygen, hydrogen, etc..

               The two reactions Si + C <--> Ca, by micro-organisms,
          cause "STONE SICKNESS" in statues, building bricks, etc..

               The reaction N2 --> CO, catalysed by very hot iron,
          creates a CARBON-MONOXIDE POISON HAZARD for welder operators
          and people near woodstoves (even properly sealed ones).

               Some bacteria can even NEUTRALIZE RADIOACTIVITY!

               ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE HAPPEN, IN SPITE OF the
          currently accepted "laws" of physics, (including the law
          which says that atomic fusion requires EXTREMELY HIGH
          temperatures and pressures.)

          "BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS, And Their Applications In
               CHEMISTRY, PHYSICS, BIOLOGY, ECOLOGY, MEDICINE,
               NUTRITION, AGRIGULTURE, GEOLOGY",
          1st Edition,
          by C. Louis Kervran, Active Member of New York Academy of
               Science,
          1972,
          163 Pages, Illustrated,
          Swan House Publishing Co.,
               P.O. Box 638,
               Binghamton, NY  13902

          "THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS",
          by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird,
          1973,
          402 Pages,
          Harper & Row,
               New York
          [Chapters 19 and 20 are about "RADIONICS".  Entire book is
               FASCINATING! ]

               For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
          please consult my CITED SOURCES (the two books).

               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


Someone please help me. I am searching to find out (as many others may)
an absolute 'cure' to removing all detectable traces of marijuana from
a persons body. Is there a chemical or natural substance that can be
ingested or added to urine to make it undetectable in urine analysis.
If so where can these substances be found.

            If you know this information, please Email me directly

                Thank You Kindly for your support,


I just got a copy of spice 5.2. I would like to know if there are
any published books on the market yet and where I could get one. I would
appreciate any help. Thank You


	Remember me, Tom?  I hope you'll respond, and I seem to
be a Voice of Reason or some such (I've been recieving fan mail,
so naturally my ego is somehwat inflated of late), and hope to
make a few points here.

	And our argument is that you cannot remove them from the people
who need restricting and not remove them from the people who don't.  A
fairly simple problem, given our size and numbers.  Do you agree?  We
all believe criminals, particularly violent criminals, should not have
firearms.  The problem is making a law that does this without trodding
upon the rights of the vast majority.  Nobody here seems to be able to
do it, and I doubt anybody in Norway can either.  Thus, we are left with
a philosophical difference: does the safety of a few justify restricting
the many?  We say "no," while others say "yes."

	Can you provide a method that cannot be abused?  I doubt it.

	Of course.  This is not in contention.  What is in contention
is how much one has to pay.

	It is this "giving a little" that makes Americans wary...
We have seen this argument before.  You might remember how a
Chamberlain "gave a little" to a particular fascist/short asshole,
and how such "appeasement" worked.  While it might work in some
instances, it doesn't work in others, and since we cannot predict
the future we must be cautious in using actions that have a
history of failure.

	Cars are not essential in Norway any more than they are in
the USA.  I'm willing to bet that you have neighbors that would be
willing to drive you anywhere you wanted to go for a price.  Thus,
cars are not essential for your transportation.  However, the
arguments presented show that, since cars are used to kill far more
people than guns in the USA, it makes much more sense to restrict
cars than it does guns.  How one defines "essential" often depends
upon what one is willing to go through for that service.  When we
look at the raw data, such comparisons are not individually weighed.

	This depends upon what the populace was willing to do.  As
Desert Storm proved, even an armed populace won't just revolt even
when given a chance.  Still, would Hitler have done all that he did
with an armed populace?  We have to wonder, as some of his first
acts were to confiscate firearms.  Other points in history show
that dictators were overthrown by arms in the hands of the populace.
Thus, we're left wondering if Hitler would have been overthrown
or if King George was just unlucky in keeping the USA as a colony.
One can argue both sides; one also has to live with each action.

	It is about #2, but so far all proposals to curtail #2 have
wound up enforcing #1 as well.  I only wish that "or" was so logical.

	That was, on my part, purely in jest.  I merely pointed out
how we were from similar backgrounds racially, but of wholly different
backgrounds politically.  I thought this would underscore my point on
how our cultures were so different despite similar heritage.

	BATF can *only* enforce gun/tobaccco/alcohol violations.  Child
abuse is a matter for the individual states and local authorities.

	That hierarchy is a paid-for feed at many sites.  Most people do
not get it for this reason, and I suspect money, not censorship, is the
main reason.  Do you get alt.sex* at your site?  I can't read it here
because of censorship and legal fears, so again our differences show.
You have topless sunbathing, and in the USA we can watch a murder every
fifteen seconds and yet breasts are forbidden on television.


Sorry if this is a FAQ but :

    "Where can I get a 286 (16 bit) version of POV-Ray ? "

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I need the 286 version since Turbo Pascal won't let me run a 32 bit
program from within my program.  Any info on this would also be a
great help.

                                Thanks,

                                    Byron.

bkidd@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au
B.Kidd@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au
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I'm trying to compile xftp which uses the Xw widget set and I'm having
problems.  We're using Motif and X11R5 and it seems that my version of the
Xw stuff was only ported to R3.  Are there patches out to port this to R5
(or a newer port altogether)??

Or perhaps a newer port of xftp for use with R5??
Thanks in advance.