Not totally true.  For the past year or two, the AP has been getting box
scores from STATS, Inc.  The AP representative in the press box is actually
a STATS reporter ($25 dollars a game, but free parking.  And anybody can
do it.)  The box is downloaded to STATS in Chicago, some quick error
checking is done, and then STATS sends it to the AP.  I'm not sure where
the appreveiations come in hear.  I don't think it is at STATS's.  It may
just be a space correction by the AP sports editor that day.

While I'm mentioning STATS reporters, they are always looking for new
people.  Especially if you live in Cleveland or Pittsburgh, you're road
to getting into the press box may be real short.  For more info, call
STATS (708) 676-3322, and ask about the reporter network.  It's a fun
way to get paid for watching baseball games.

End of public service announcement.


#|> #|>
#|> #|> #This is quite different from saying "Employing force on other people
#|> #|> #is immoral, period.   Unfortunately, from time to time we are obliged
#|> #|> #to do this immoral thing for reasons of self-preservation, and so
#|> #|> #we have to bear the moral consequences of that.
#|> #|>
#|> #|> Since both statements, to all intents and purposes, say effectively
#|> #|> the same thing,
#|> #
#|> #Are you serious?  Two statements, one of which says that use of force
#|> #in the given situation is moral, and the other of which says it is
#|> #not moral "say effectively the same thing?"
#|>
#|> Yes, when you tag on the "Unfortunately, ...", then to all intents and
#|> purposes you are saying the same thing.
#
#Then delete the "unfortunately".   Now tell me that the two statement
#say effectively the same thing.
#
#And to save everyone a couple of trips round this loop, please notice
#that we are only obliged to use force to preserve self.   We can choose
#*not* to preserve self, which is the point of pacifism.

O.K., got you.  I concede your point, though the word "obliged" strongly
implies that one must sometimes use force.  A further rephrasing would
give you the distinction you mention, however.  If I have you right, a pacifist
would not even go on to say, "unfortunately,etc."

#|> #Would you say this of any two statements, one saying "X is moral" and
#|> #the other saying "X is immoral?"   How would you decided when two
#|> #statements "X is moral" "X is immoral" actually conflict, and when
#|> #they "say effectively the same thing".
#|>
#|> What they prescribe that one should do is a pretty good indicator.
#
#And in this case they don't prescribe the same things, so.....

Yes, fair enough, though why confuse things by saying that "one is
somtimes obliged" if the real meaning is that "one is never obliged".

#|> #|>                  and lead one to do precisely the same thing, then
#|> #|> either both statements are doublespeak, or none.
#|> #
#|> #They might lead you to do the same thing, but the difference is what
#|> #motivates pacifism so they obviously don't lead pacifists to to the
#|> #same thing.
#|>
#|> That's not true.  You could formulate a pragmatic belief in minimum
#|> force and still be a pacifist.  If the minimum is 0, great  - but one is
#|> always trying to get as close to 0 force as possible under that belief.
#|> Not the same as 'force is immoral, period', but still tending to pacifism.
#
#If you don't think the use of force is immoral, why minimise its use?

If you don't think that it is "immoral, period.".


It depends on the mode you're using.  For a single 64-bit input block, a
one-bit error will have a 50 percent chance of corrupting each of the 64
output bits - in other words, it essentially turns the output block into
a random number.  If you're encrypting data in CBC mode, however, only the
one 64-bit block will be affected.  The next block, and all that follow it
will be decrypted properly.

It's a good idea to have some kind of error correction in your system if
corrupted bits are likely.


: But how do we know that you're representing the REAL Christians?
: ;-)

: Bill, you're an asshole.  Get lost.

Maddi,

I see that you still can't grasp the obvious, is it because your are devious
by nature, or can you only find fault with an argument by
misrepresenting it?

I plainly said that I was stating the Christian position as I
understand it, I did not say whether I agree with it since my point
was that the only flaws in that position are those atheists invent.
I have never claimed to be an expert on anything and especially
Christianity, but I have made it an object of pretty intense study
over the years, so I feel qualified to discuss what its general
propositions are.

What offends you is that I have exposed the distortions and
misrepresentations of Christianity you contrive and then rail against,
(which seems more like the classical strawman dodge than what I said)
This leaves you with nothing but to attack but me. As usual, you
avoid the larger issues by picking away at the insignificant stuff, why not
find one particular thing in my post that we can discuss, or can you
even tell me what the issues are?


I am looking for some fast polygon routines (Shaded or Texture
Mapped) in ASM (compile with MASM) or in Turbo Pascal (compile with
TP6). It has to be able to run on a 286, but does not have to look
super fast on a 286, but must look good on a 386.

If anyone has any such code could you please mail it to me. Or tell
me where it can be got.

Thanks in advance.

--


			      ^^
			      ||
		           New Technology

			       ||
			  Cycle eXperimental

Got this from a mechanic at Al Lamb's Honda!

AT


I believe I have the same monitor problem.  I have a system from Micron
Computers with the 15" Mag 1564 (the same monitor as the gateway) and am having
the same symptoms.

What's this with removing the monitor extension cable?


Is there a way I can save a snapshot of my screen to a file, under
Windows?  (Similar to the way one can press CMD-SHIFT-3 on a Mac.)

Please email rather than posting.


Is (was? :-( ) your HG zipper the nylon-coil type or the kind with
molded plastic teeth? I've only tried it on the coiled nylon type, and
it doesn't take much squish to fix the problem. I found I was overdoing
it (no broken parts, but the zipper was too hard to pull) so after
spreading the zipper pull jaws again, I tried with Vice-Grips. No, not
the usual Grip Of Death technique, I adjusted the closed Vice-Grips so
they were snug on the zipper jaws, then released them and tightened the
adjusting screw a bit. A couple of iterations and I had just the right
amount of Zipper Squish (TM).

I've had two zipper pulls fail on my Aerostich suit (actually on the
Accessory Ellipse), and they sent me a few replacement pulls free of
charge. I don't know what brand of zippers HG uses, but parts ARE
available for YKK's plastic zippers. Replacement was pretty simple, just
break and remove the plastic knob at the top of the zipper that keeps
the pull from coming off the top end. Slide on the new zipper pull. Then
crimp on (Vice-Grips again!) a replacement zipper stop.

You might try fabric stores & such and see if they sell replacement
parts.

Oh, for what it's worth, the coil-type zippers on the Eclipse tankbag
are also YKK.


What would be a good platform for some fairly basic video work of the
following nature:

Reading real video in for playbak in various app's 5-10 Minnutes in length
Basic editing features for said video - rearange sequences, adding grapic
slides from something like power point etc...

I'm not to familiar with this stuff but would like a good system with crisp
performance.  It's for educational/promotional things so the video quality
should be decent.

I'm thinking Tempest or cyclone, Big drive,loads o ram, Floptical or 128Mb
optical ?? - however, I'm not to sure of the various cards and software
thats out there.

Please email any responses,

Thanks


I am *almost* done porting XFree86 1.2 to a new piece of display
hardware, but have run into a snag I think may be somewhat
commonplace, so I'm sending a net-feeler.

I have a display that is a non-interlaced, memory mapped, 1-bit
720x280 display.  The server's view of the world, (obtained via xwd |
xwud), seems to be exactly what it should be.  However, the displayed
version of the framebuffer gives the impression that the server is
using scanlines that are too long.  After a bit of experimentation, it
seems that the problem was that the server was padding the line out to
a word boundry, but the scanline size in the buffer is 90 bytes, which
isn't exactly divisible by four.  Changing the following defines in
mit/server/include/servermd.h:

----

#define BITMAP_SCANLINE_PAD  32
#define LOG2_BITMAP_PAD		5
#define LOG2_BYTES_PER_SCANLINE_PAD	2

---

to:

---

#define BITMAP_SCANLINE_PAD  16
#define LOG2_BITMAP_PAD		4
#define LOG2_BYTES_PER_SCANLINE_PAD	2

---

Was not exactly the right solution.  How do I tell the server either
(a) don't pad the scan lines at all ('cause this server is only being
built to run on this particular display), or to pad only to byte
boundries?

I'm using a customized version of XFree86v1.2, under Mach 3.0.


I was at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum the other day and one of
their VERY early winners was 4 valves per cylinder (and either front
wheel drive or all wheel drive, I think front wheel drive) and that
was in 1914!

Spiros


I've seen it as "Colmn" also.

Blame the Associated Press.  After the official scorer balances the
official score card, they copy it and give it to several diffent people.
One of those is a person from AP whose job it is to type it up (using a
template on a laptop) and transmit it to the AP offices in New York
(Rockefeller Center) via the telephone.  The box scores are not checked
and just rebroadcasted over AP's news delivery services.  If there are
corrections, those are issued later.  It is the person sitting in front
of a laptop at Shea (or whereever) whose fault that is.  [NOTE: The AP
puts out boxscores in three different formats with the one you see in
most newspapers being the first one]

Last week they were in Denver.  Maybe the AP person in Denver did this
(remember, they just started with MLB out there).  Check tomorrow's
paper (4/21) and see if the person who is doing it from Shea does the
same thing.


Are there any Montreal Canadiens fans out there who can let me the radio
station(s) which are playing the playoff series (including short wave radio
frequencies)?  Lewisburg, PA (home of Bucknell University) is definitely
not a hockey town!

Please send responses to malinich@bucknell.edu


(message posted by/for roomate)

Bike is in good condition, is black, has 23000 miles, mag wheels,

front disk, rear drum, good front tire, new back tire, o-ring chain,

new battery, new starter and has that laid back look.  Bike runs

real strong with all four carbs giving their best.  Buyer gets a

cover (all weather, lockable & heatproof), tank bag (non-magnetic -

can't take disks along otherwise!), cargo net & manual.  Bike has

origional tool kit & matching Yamaha lock.

Asking $1700 or Best Offer.  I would like to sell this soon, so please

CALL (voice!)(ack!) with any questions!


I have a few small cans of self defense spray for sale. I'm
asking $12 for one can. It's about the size of a pen marker
and works pretty good. (so I hear).
                                    Thanks,


If I may offer a constructive criticism, perhaps you should decide if you
love vehicles or the use they are put to. I, myself, think the F-86 is
a beautiful aircraft, but rest assured, I wouldn't even think of flying
it in combat today. Most of us want access to space and judge vehicles
on how they perform.

Not to this degree.

Why?

Your wrong. The DC approach is very tollerent of failure. It also has
the advantage of far greater reliability do to its reusable nature (Shuttle
isn't reusable, it's salvagable).

The flip over happens at a very low speed, not supersonic. If the DC-X
shows the flip over works, it will work unless the laws of physics change.

The final DC-1 will have fully intact abort throughout the entire flight
envelop. Upon re-entry for example, it can loose about 80% of available
thrust and still land safely.

Everything can suffer from catastrophic failure but that's not the same
thing. Shuttle simply isn't a fault tolerent design, SSTO is.

You don't put your patients in conditions where there is no way out. You
wouldn't for example, give a patient a drug and not monitor them for
harmful side effects would you?

You are very much in the minority. If the DC series fails to make orbit, it
will still be a very worthwhile effort. It will show us EXACTLY what we do
need to do to build SSTO.

Again, refering to the DC-1, it will provide fully intact abort theroughout
the flight envelop. Shuttle doesn't. DC is fault tollerent, Shuttle isn't.

Not true. Build a passenger pallet (a fairly easy thing to do) and it will
carry passengers.

I would suggest you talk to the DC-X crew themselves. Their original
schedule had an operational DC-1 flying in 96.

Your ignoring the dammage it does. Mannes space has a reputation for being
unreliable and hugely expensive. Shuttle supporters only make it easy for
opponents of manned space to kill it.

The only way to prove those things is to build it.

  Allen


OK. It varies from state to state. It has to do with operating a vehicle
while there is greater than a given percentage of alcohol in your
bloodstream. Can we drop this now, and get back to asking Ed Green to
getabike?

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil


Note that the two tables don't talk about the same population.  One is
Fortune 1000 companies favoring the platform as their primary
application platform, the other is sales (to everyone, not just
Fortune 1000).  Fortune 1000 companies don't do a lot of development
with the Mac as their top platform.  I would expect that that would
explain the discrepancy.

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


         The BATF warrant was unsealed yesterday.

         The entire operation was illegal from day ONE.

       No authority for a "no-knock" raid.
       No authority to use the Texas helicopters.
       No authority to search for a "drug lab".  More ATF lies.


I am wondering if anyone has any opinions about the 2theMAX 4000S
SVGA card.  I just purchased one due to a great price on it.  It boasts 16.7
million "true" colors, with 1MB onboard.  If you know anything about this
card, please respond via mail, as this group tends to be overwhelming at
times with posts.  Thanks in advance!!!


The biblical arguments against homosexuality are weak at best, yet
Christ is quite clear about our obligations to the poor. How as
Christians can we demand celibacy from homosexuals when we walk
by homeless people and ignore the pleas for help?
Christ is quite clear on our obligations to the poor.

Thought for the day:

MAT 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to
thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam
is in thine own eye?


I don't think Michael's response was anti-party but rather pro-environmental.
I agree that you gotta let us Hogs out to roam every once in awhile.  Let's
hope that next year Oatman will be better prepared and that we all pick up
after ourselves.

Well, I for one thought you told a good story, even if you say you are an
a**hole!:-) We need more biker experiances written to news.  It's unfortunate
that you got flamed for telling it, but we all know this is a controversial
group.

At any rate, keep up the good work and continue to post stories.


A friend had a Ford Taunus (era early 60's) that *did* have a V4 in it.

I lost a bet on it. I find it hard to believe there are no *recent* cars
with a V4 in them. Any *recent* ones?

Spiros


It has also apparently been excised from the second edition.


There are basically three alternatives for Gaza:

1.  To throw the Jews to the sea. that is basically to make them leave
   the Middle-East and go back to where they came from (russia, Europe, USA, etc)
2.  To throw the Gazans into the sea, in accordance with Yitzhak Rabin's
     wish and that of many Zionists.
3.  For Israelis and Palestinians to come to an honorable and fair (I
   don't attempt to say just) settlement, which would allow each person
   to live in dignity in his country in freedom and equality.

I personnaly opt for the third alternative. How about you folks ?


(formerly Maya computer) advertised a DayStar 33 MHz PowerCache WITH
68882 for $295!  Can you believe it?  I know prices would be falling,
but geeze!

Thought you might be interested...

Chuck

--
Chuck Williams ==> CS Intern ==> Pacific Northwest Laboratories


Give the new Viewsonic 17 a good look.  I have seen it side by side with
an old Viewsonic 7, a MAG 17, a Nanao 17" (not the Trinitron one), and
a Sony OEM 17" (which does have a Trinitron tube).  The new Viewsonic
beat all of them easily in terms of picture quality, and I think it is
far superior to the 16" Sun that I am staring at now.  The place asks
$1178 for it; I would have bought it if I had not just bought a 15"
Nanao F340iw a week earlier :(


[many lines deleted]

Ah, here Freeman is being prejudiced (look it up and see what I mean Freeman).
Here Freeman is pre-judging someone before he knows all of the facts.  Guess
it can happen to the best (and in his case the worst) of us.

Freeman thinks I am behind when actually I am quite on top of things.  The
point he seems to be missing now is that after a certain point accuracy can be
very tedious and ridiculous.  See Freeman's next post for an explanation.


Sounds pretty familiar.  I posted similar cries about last September when
Caroline just entered daycare.  She was two, then, and have been with
continuous colds since until last March.  As spring approaches, her colds
slowed down.  Meanwhile we grew more and more relaxed about her colds.
Only once did the doctor diagnosed an ear infection and only twice she
had antibiotics.  (The other time was due to sinus infection, and I wished
that I did not give her that awful Septra.)

There are the 'net studies' -- that is, if you read this newsgroup often,
there will be a round of questions like this every month.  There might
be formal studies like that, but bear with my not so academic experience.
Okay?

Gee, I bet 50/50 you'll hear cases in all these catagories.

I am pretty sure, an insulated child at home sicks less.  But, that child
still will face the world one day.

That's what I believe and comfort myself with.  Caroline will get more
and more colds for sure before she learned not to stick her hand in other
kid's mouth nor let other kids do the same.  Cold virus mutate easily.
However, I hope that her immune system will be stronger to fight these
diseases, so she would be less severely affected.  Everytime she has a cold,
we make sure she blow her nose frequently and give her Dorcol or Dimetapp
at night so she can have good rest (thanks to some suggestions from the net).
That's about all the care she needs from us.  I try very hard to keep her
off antibiotics.  Twice her ped. gave me choice to decide whether she would
have antibiotics.  I waited just long enough (3-4 days) to see that she
fought the illness off.  I do understand that you don't have much choice if
the child is in pain and/or high fever.

If the child doesn't rely on antibiotics to fight off the sickness everytime,
then the child should be stronger.

I'll leave this to expert.

If your child just entered daycare, I'm pretty sure the first 6 months will be
the hardest.  (Then, you get more used to it.  Boy, do I hate to see me typing
this sentence.  I recall when I read something like this last September, I said
to myself, 'oh, sure.'  But, I do get used to it, now.)  However, I do hear
people say that it does get better after a year or two.  I am looking forward
to a healthier next winter.  As it gets warmer, I hope you do get some break
soon.

Eat well, sleep well.  Try not to use antibiotics if not absolutely necessary.

Good luck.

Wen-lin


You want to speed up ballgames?

1.  Enforce the two minutes between innings.  As it is, many fields are
    allowing THREE minutes between them.  Fifteen seconds before
    TV commercials are gone to, Thirty or so before action begins upon
    the return to the game.  Two minutes, last out to first pitch, or
    a ball is called.

2.  Don't grant time to batters just because they want it.  They may get
    pissed at first, but they'll get in line, once anything the pitcher
    throws while they're adjusting their wristbands is a strike.

3.  Mandate a rule permitting only N seconds between pitches (the current
    rule is too lenient), and then enforce it.  Fifteen seconds is more
    than enough time.  If the pitch isn't released in 15, call it a ball,
    and restart the clock.

Baseball games take about 2:51 in the NL, and just a shade under 3 hours
in the AL.  That's just too damn long.  I don't like to PLAY in 3 hour
games, much less WATCH a game for that long.  My butt falls asleep, and
if I'm watching on TV, I'll channel surf between pitches, catching
colorized versions of Mr. Ed, Leave it to Beaver, and "Those Wacky
Nieporents" on Nick at Nite.


If re-boosting the HST by carrying it with a shuttle would not damage it,
then why couldn't HST be brought back to earth and the repair job done
here?

Is it because two shuttle flights would be required, adding to the alredy
horrendous expense?

Gruss,
Dr Bruce Scott                             The deadliest bullshit is
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik       odorless and transparent
bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de                 -- W Gibson


Looking for ORGANIZER program for Windows.
Currently have Lotus Organizer, not bad, but looking for better.
Should have a calender / scheduler.
Should have a to do list.
Nice additions : Address / Phone Book
		 Diary
Please, any suggestions?  Shareware/Public/or Copyrighted...
Please EMAIL sthong@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
--

 -------------------------------------------
 Steven Hong
 Email Address : sthong@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
 University of Pennsylvania
 Engineering Class of 1996


this is an interesting point.  some people are not really buying the coverage,
they are buying 'peace of mind', marketing folks love selling that.  i suggest
that people *choose* to not engage their minds in peaceless worry rather than
buying that 'peace of mind'.


Please post your results, a close friend has this condition and
has asked these same questions.


Does anyone know of a source (book, file, etc.) of ALL the standard
resource names in X11R5? A small description of what the resource
IS would also be helpful, but not vital. Any help in which direction
to go would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Robin Kinzy

 =================================================================
 =================================================================


[Anyway, your argument seems to be saying, "If _I_ were
God, I certainly wouldn't do things that way; therefore, God doesn't do
things that way."]


In an attempt to do animation with POV I have created two little
programs. One is a C program that will perform a "morph" between
any two points given the amount of frames for the morph. And then
it will write the points, and the function (translate, rotate, etc.) out
to a file. Then I have a Perl script that will read the list of functions
and insert them into a .pov file at a given line. I had hoped this would
let me do simple animation. However, I have discovered that simply
performing incremental rotations on an object will not spin a stationary
object but will actually rotate the object about the axis. Now I know
an easy way around this would be to first translate the object to the
origin perform the rotation and then move it back but I know there
must be another way around this. I had thought perhaps it was because
I had created objects at the origin and then translated them to a new
point and then done the rotation, which could cause this behavior. However
this occurs on objects that are not translated at all. Any help is
appreciated.


Has anybody had a chance to find out how the new HP Laser Jet 4L behaves
with Windows ?


I'd use a secret (nope, obscure) cryptographic encoding to expand the
30 bit serial number to a 64 bit block. The redundancy hereby introduced
can be used to detect tampered Clipper signals where some public enemy
replaced the L.E. block by random data.

And of course the L.E. block would be used to initialise the encryption
of the user data so that at the receiving end the correct L.E. block must
be processed in order to have any chance of getting the plaintext back.

For those of you who might want to mangle the L.E. block (e.g. by xor-ing
a constant pattern) on the transmission line and restore it before feeding
it into the receiving Crippler Chip I would add further encrypted copies
of this block (perhaps created by repeated application of the encryption
algorithm or so) at regular intervals during the transmission. If the
receiving chip detects a mismatch it must assume that the line is bad and
it will cease to work; in your own interest you are protected from getting
faulty plaintext, you know -- it's just like a checksum for your own
safety ;-(.

The `monitoring agencies' won't have the famous black box which is needed
for actual decryption and will be kept by the FBI; but nothing prevents
them from using special boxes which will do the redundancy check for the
serial number block and consistency checks on the embedded L.E. blocks
within the transmission. These boxes will turn a red light on as soon as
they detect a bitstream that violates the correct protocol.

So don't anyone think that you can use the chip and fool L.E. about the
tapping key -- I bet the developpers have provided much better checks
than those suggested above. Of course it's absolutely crucial that the
algorithms (and protocols) remain secret. Personally I doubt they will.


There is?  Then why does the documentation say:

}Commercial, government, and institutional users MUST register their
}copies of XV, for the exceedingly REASONABLE price of just $25 per
}workstation/X terminal.

It doesn't sound like a "voluntary donation" to me.

--Dave


There are no MiniDocks with math coprocessors available right now and I am not
aware of any in development. Demand appears low for such a device right now,
but I'm sure some enterprising vendor would create one if there were sufficient
demand.

Lynn


They certainly never CALLED themselves "Palestinians"

Coming from a soldier that can't surprise you.  Eitan is now in
charge of Tsomet, and there's a reason why he only gets a few votes
every year:  They only elect him because he is squeaky clean, no
corruption.

I'm ignorant.  What's New Statesman?

Oh, those Crafty Jews again!  When will you learn, anti-Semite from
Iceland.
Let's face it, in 1967, what other view was there?

The penniless could mean anyone, big guy.  Grow up.  I hate
your brackets.

They gave them advance warning.  Not like the PLO, eh?

Yeah, yeah.  More brackets.  Am I too picky?

Bracket man.
That was the truth.  Were you there, Elias?

So the Holocaust never happened, eh Naziman Elias?

Lehi always warned in advance.  Not the PLO, buddy boy.
It was true!  Why should Jews be unemployed?  We say that in
America, Jerky.

I firmly believe that today.

You don't understand metaphor, Naziman.
And your quotes lead nowhere.  Not only do I doubt there actuality,
but I guarantee they were compiled by some neo-Nazi group.

But I love your pseudo-intellectual approach.  It makes you
sound even dumber than your conclusions.

Echad medinot leshtai amim.


     (Eric Roush) writes...

Funny.  I didn't realize Mr. Tanner brought up Bob Knepper v. Pam Postema
in the first place.  Thought it was someone named Jacobs.

Why?  If a statement is truly idiotic, and is universally thought so,
the challenge is a waste of panting.  Further, challenges that have
nothing (yes, nothing) to do with *baseball* are wasting others' time.

You got a problem with what Bob Knepper thinks?  Let's hear it, in
some sort of categorical manner.  (Actually, I question whether either
Knepper or Postema aren't "old news" at this point, although what I
have read of Postema's book is interesting.)

I agree this far.

Sez you.

That does not come out in what you say down the road, here.

Yo.  Even elementary school children have had access to our postings,
albeit in an edited form.  You want them to hear you talk like this?
Don't you want people who come to this group to talk baseball to think
you like to do the same?  Or do you want them to think you're some
politically correct demagogue who's oh-so sensitive?  (Ho-hum.)

Plus, you're here limiting free speech to "some obscure newsgroup that
I don't read."  What BS.  You got a problem with what Jacobs says, what
Knepper thinks, all you have to do is defeat it with better ideas, more
and better speech.  Yours is the easy way out.

As for Knepper: ever notice how sometimes these guys will say just about
any darn thing that pops in their heads when a mike is shoved in front of
them?  You know that often the best copy for the news is the one that isn't
pre-prepared.  They know Knepper has controversial ideas about women, they
pop some question about Postema.  (An interesting related question would
be whether the two ever appeared in the same game.  Off the top of my head,
I guess "no."  If my guess is right, Knepper popped off about something that
had nothing to do with him -- and Postema gets a book for it, and he doesn't.)

Now, why didn't *I* think of that?  :-)  :-)  :-)

RG


Whoa, dude I don't see the jump you made.
		She was blessed, I'll give you that much.
		What do you mean, she was placed "beyond"

the sanctification of normal humanity.


I have a following ACAPULCO/CANCUN mini-vacation voucher for sale:

Voucher  entitles the holder  to ONE  ROUNDTRIP airfare  and THREE DAYS/TWO
NIGHTS lodging for ONE or TWO adults  in ACAPULCO or CANCUN (your choice!),
Mexico. You have 15 MONTHS to use the voucher.

All reservations must be made 60  days in advance. Holiday and peak periods
are excluded. Flights  generally depart mid-week,  usually on Tuesdays from
more than 70 major  airports. Additional air  transportation for additional
person will be made available.

$50.00 FULLY REFUNDABLE  deposit is required. It  should be sent along with
the voucher to Casablanca Express by June 12, 1993. After that you will get
the reservation request form in which you have ONE YEAR to travel.

This package doesn't include meals, hotel taxes and gratuities.

The voucher is offered by Casablanca  Express, 6345 Balboa Blvd., Ste. 130,
Encino, CA 91316.

Approximate  retail  value of  the  voucher is cited  to be  $1,100.00. The
voucher is fully transferable.

Best offer takes it!


Two URGENT requests:

1. I need the latest update and description of MA bill S-897.  From
   what I gather this bill takes the Hunter Safety Courses from
   Law Enforcement and places them under Fish & Game control.

2. Has someone out there compiled a list of all MA Senate & House
   Bills under consideration?  If they have, please e-mail me
   the list.  If not, is there a database I can access?

	Thanx,
		Yours in the fight,
		Mike P.

P.S. My wife and I thought Nancy B. was great on Street Stories.


Hi, friends,

Our SPARC workstation is now equippied with a GT-accelerator. we want to use
it to display stereo images. The accelerator has double buffers. How can we
access the buffers and switch between them ? With which functions can we do
that ? with functions from XGL, Phigs, Xlib or Xlib-extension ?

Your help will be highly appreciated.

Yonglong Xu

Uni. of Hannover


        Looking at it from up here in the Frozen North, it looks like
        you could do worse than get the NRA involved. They have a
        kindred problem, a large number of voters, the right attitude,
        and lots of funds.

        From an ethical _or_ constitutional viewpoint, I haven't seen
        a good argument for cryptographic rights that doesn't also
        support the NRA position on guns (and vice-versa).

        Cheers,
                Marc

---
 Marc Thibault                             | marc@tanda.isis.org
 Automation Architect                      | CIS:71441,2226
 R.R.1, Oxford Mills, Ontario, Canada      | NC FreeNet: aa185


I need to add to your message.
I have a major problem on my hands.  I have a Rodime 60+ (series
RO3000T) external hard drive.  Rodime is out of business,
and not writing any more drivers.  In particular, drivers
compatable with system 7.1.  After talking to Rodime,
they recommended the following Hard drive manufacturers
and their driver software that were compatable:

SCSI Hard drive manufacturer            Driver Software
----------------------------            ----------------
FWB                                     Hard disk tool kit
FWB                                     Hard disk tool kit - personal
La Cie                                  Silverlining 5.2 or higher
Casa Blanca Driver Software             Drive7

If anybody has experience with these driver software packages, please reply.
If there is shareware out there, I would like to get my hands on it.  I would
much rather send a good developer the $25 or so, because most of the software
I mentioned, if purchased, would cost $125, $49, $149, and $49 respectively.

Thanks in advance.
Bob Dohr, the Association

_______________________________________________________________________________
   Bringing a kind word and a helpful Spirit wherever we can, we are...
-+- THE ASSOCIATION - a multi-line Macintosh BBS in Grand Blanc, Michigan!
   Echoes from Fido, InterNet, FamilyNet, ICDMnet, K-12 - PLUS 2Gb files
   at 313-695-6955 HST/v.32bis.
___________________________________________________________________ Testify 2.0


X/Motif Gurus,

	How do you handling scaling of X text while performing zooming
operations  on figures? Is restricting user to select scalable fonts too
restrictive and  a absolute NO NO?
Any books that have discussion on this topic?  Should have really taken more
of those Computer Graphics courses but, now its too late -:( )

	I will summarize response.
Thanks in advance.


lightly off track, but still relevant: why all the crying
over the children?  I know we are hardwired to consider
the future of the race, and comapssionate people are concerned
for all children; but so what?

For the Branch Davidians, the options were to die or
submit to Evil[tm] - and have their children's very
souls lost due to the brain washing of the Ungodly
State.  (to put this in terms the 'average' netter might
	grasp: they considered it the equivalent of putting
	Jesse Helms in charge of NEA _and_ MTV.)

And remembering that in 1983 the Supreme Court Struck Down
Freedom of Conscience (IRS vs Bob Jones et al.):

Who's next?

Is your religion / belief system Government Approved?

Jim JOnes had won numerous awards from the state before
he moved to Guiana?  Obviously state regulation would have
stopped that tragedy too.

chus
pyotr

p.s. The Mormons weren't always Saints, but they did go a long
way to be left alone. Always a ThoughtCrime in any ProperState.


Hi,
I have a lots of problems using XView (libraries Release 3.2) in order to
do the following:
+ I want to create a MODAL Dialog which block the program flow
  (a syncronous dialog, ala Macintosh) , as the Notice Panel
  does, but with Text Item, List Item, and other XView objects.
+ The MODAL Dialog also must allows the Timer to be called (why
  Notice doesn't do that?).

The problems are:
- Using the "xv_window_loop" functions most XView objects dont work
  (as the List Item), and the timers aren't called.

- With the "notify_dispatch" explicit I have problem because:
  "...never attempt to do direct dispaching from within a callback
  routine..." as say the "XView Programming Manual (Third Edition)"
  on page 486 (uhm... I know this number!!! :->).
  But I need to do dispatching just inside a callback routine!

Help me, please!!!

Thanks in advance,
--- Giovanni

P.S. Please, send replay directly to my address belove (I haven't
direct access to Internet).


After reading this story about St. Maria Goretti (posted two weeks
ago), I am a bit confused.  While it is clear that her daily
life is one of probity and sanctity, I am afraid I don't quite
understand the final episode of her life.  I am reading it
correctly, she (and the Church apparently) felt that being raped
was a sin on _her_ part, one so perfidious that she would rather
die than commit it.  If this is the case I'm afraid that I
disagree rather strongly.

Can anyone out there explain this one to me?

Yours in Christ,


You obviously haven't read his postings clearly.

Israelophiles?  Is this anything like Israelists?  You're treading on
thin ice here.

Now, you're falling through the ice.  Barfie!  We have a playmate for
you!

There is a difference between guerrilla warfare and terrorism.
The former primarily targets enemy soldiers.  The latter primarily
targets civilians, and not necessarily enemy civilans, at that.

Innocent British soldiers?  Like innocent Iraqi soldiers?
THe British were EXECUTING Jewish fighters in what was soon to become
the recognized Jewish homeland.  The British - to their eternal shame
and damnation - were sending shiploads of Jewish refugees, civilians,
back to Europe to be taken care of by Hitler.

By comparison, Palestinean "fighters" primarily target tourists,
schoolchildren, babies, worshippers, shoppers, movie-goers and other
such threatening people.  Early Zionist fighters did no such things.

Your comparison is ignorant and odious.

Does it bug you that the "Israelites" (they used to be
Israelophiles...) happen to be right?

Are you kidding?  Palestinean Arabs - who comprise a tiny proportion
of the world's refugee population, who have almost no justifiable
claim to the territory that they desire, who have acted as criminals
in the international community for decades - are being treated like
the most aggrieved and deserving minority in existence, even after
their ignominious support for Saddam in Desert Storm.  How many other
world "leaders" have addressed the UN with a machine-gun in hand,
receiving a standing ovation?

You are now parrotting some of the weakest arguments of the
terrorists' apologists.  Congratulations.

Gee, that's a nice name.  Can I call you Pissed?


This is an interesting point.  As a VERY COARSE rule of thumb, you can
figure that the final price of a product is 3 to 5 times the Cost Of Goods.
(The exact multiplier depends largely on economies of scale: Products that
sell tens of millions of units/year will be at the low end, those that sell
thousands of units/year will be at the high end.  I suspect cellular phones
are in the middle).  This implies that adding a $25 chip would increase the
cost of the phone by approx $100, or about 25% - 30%.

I don't think you'll get a lot of consumer support for this.

-tony


         ...........   more deleted

You need to start the X-server with -indirect its_name.

If you start it with -indirect localhost, it use the loopback adress as
it's adress. So when it try to contact another host, this one try to answer
on its loopback adress. Not good.

Remember that every machine has the adress 127.0.0.1 on the loopback network.


Does anyone have any information or better, first-hand experience,
of the new Epson bubblejet printer - Stylus 800??

I'm particularly interested in hearing how well it works under Windows;
I presume that a special printer driver is required - is it supplied
as standard? Is it able to print everything that a standard Postscript
laserprinter could??

Many thanks for any replies - George


I was a bit surprised that the manual for my Fluke-87 multimeter
suggests applying WD-40 to the test lead sockets, especially the
current range socket.  The intention is to prevent the
test-lead-is-in-the-wrong-scocket beeper from going off when there
is no test lead in that socket.

The manual is a bit vague, but I think I'd apply the WD-40 to a
swab, then wipe the socket instead of spaying the stuff directly
from the can.

Speaking of said meters:  I compared the 87 against the 8060A that
I've had on my bench for almost 11 years.  It has been five years
since the 8060A has been calibrated.  On the DC scale, they agree
within .01 mV.  AC scale is within about .1 mV.  The 87 would be
just about the perfect portable meter if it had the dB scale; I
didn't feel it was worth the extra $100 for a second 8060 since I
don't use dB all that much in my work.


My recollection of History/Documentary books is slitely different.
It is my understanding that Croats were allies of Germany during
WWII, while Serbs had sided with Russia.  As a result Serbs did
take a beating from Croats (NOT Bosnian Moslems) while Germany
had the upper hand.

Even today, Russians consider/call Serbs as their Slovac brothers.
This is one of the issues involved in the U.N.'s lack of active
intervention against Serbs.

As for the Bosnian Moslems, I have not heard of any alliance with
Germany or Russia in recent history.  Therefore, I am curious
if they did or were able to treat other parties in this conflict
with same brutallity (as they are getting it today) in the past
history.


You can call MacUser magazine number, i guess they will give you the info!


Does anyone know if any of Currier and Ives etchings have been digitized for
use in desktop publishing?  I am particularly interested in their riverboat
scenes.  Does anyone know who can get me (for a fee) a good, digitized river-
boat image?

Thank you,

David Dumas
--
David Dumas
dmd2@Isis.MsState.Edu


Isn't he the guy who took shots at Jagr and Ulf in a recent Sports
Illustrated? I'm not familiar with Cherry's work, and maybe he's known
for sarcasm, but I'd have to wonder about him doing commentary for the Pens.


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Contents:
	Subject: Applications: Application Builders
	Subject: Applications: Graphing Tools
	Subject: Applications: Utilities
	Subject: Applications: Other
	Subject: Tools: Terminal Emulators
	Subject: Other Commercial Applications
	Subject: Applications: toolkit Extensions
	Subject: OpenWindows 3 Ports
	Subject: XView 3 Ports
	Subject: XView 2 Ports
	Subject: Games (free and commercial)

Subject: Applications: Application Builders

Commercial: DevGuide 3.0
Contact: SunPICS
    lets you use Drag and Drop to create an OPEN LOOK application with
    XView, OLIT, UIT or TNT.  Very easy to use.

Free: dirt
    there _might_ be an OLIT port of this UI builder.

Commercial: ExoCode
Contact: Expert Object
    one of the first third-party GUI builders to support OPEN LOOK,
    using the XView toolkit.  It was reviewed in SunExpert magazine
    in 1990.

Commercial: ObjectBuilder
Contact: ParcPlace, Debra Frances debra@ParcPlace.COM, +1 303 440 9991
    uib is a user interface builder which supports building applications
    that support both OPEN LOOK and Motif.	It generates code for
    ParcPlace's OI C++ toolkit and can make use of user created
    subclasses.  Note: `OI' can also display an OSF/Motif GUI at runtime.

Free: wcl
    Uses X resources to specify an Xt widget hierarchy and actions to
    user-defined callbacks.  uses OLIT, Xt or Motif.

Commercial: XVT
Contact: XVT Systems (+1 303-443-4223)
    Lets you write code to a common subset of OPEN LOOK, Motif, Microsoft
    Windows, the Macintosh GUI, and even terminals (using curses).  You buy
    an XVT toolkit for each environment.

Subject: Applications: Graphing Tools

Free: dstool
    XView-based program that plots Lorenz Attractors and other chaotic things
    in real time.  Also includes a mathematical expression interpreter.
    ftp: macomb.tn.cornell.edu

Free: ACE/gr --  graph and analysis program, xvgr
Ftp: ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34]; xvgr-2.09.tar.Z in /CCALMR/pub/acegr
    Handles x-y scatterplots, lineplots, bargraphs, FFT analysis, running
    averages, polynomial fits, etc.

Free: robot - a scientific graph plotting and data analysis tool
Contact: Robin Corbet <corbet@astro.psu.edu>
Description:
    Graph plotting in various styles & axes; Data manipulation - arithmetic,
    functions, smoothing, folding, sorting; Fitting to data using Gaussians,
    polynomials, Lorentzians, and/or user defined functions; Annotation of
    graphs; log files;  Commands with loops etc.; Colour; PostScript output.
Ftp: astrod.astro.psu.edu (128.118.147.28) in pub/astrod
Ftp: files: robotx0.35.tar.Z - everything
Ftp: files: RobotManual.ps.Z - just the documentation.
Ftp: files: robot.sun4.Z  - binary built on a SPARCstation.
Requirements:
    Robot is XView based. User interface portions of code are written in
    'C'. Data manipulation code is written in FORTRAN. Hence a FORTRAN
    compiler is also required or the public domain f2c package.
    Alternatively, a SPARC binary is available by anonymous ftp.

Subject: Applications: Utilities

Free: boss
Description:
    An OPEN LOOK UI to the Casio BOSS scheduler

Free: props
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu /pub/R5untarred/contrib/lib/xview3/clients/props/*
Description:
    This is the OpenWindows properties editor, that appears when you choose
    the Properties... item from the WorkSpace menu.

Free: contool
Ftp: from export.lcs.mit.edu
Description:
    a special-purpose console-window that can filter out or take special
    action on specified console messages; written by Chuck Musciano.
Requirements: XView

Free: faces
Description:
    displays pictures of people who have sent you electronic mail.
    Violates the Data Protection Act in the U.K.

Subject: Applications: Other

Commercial: Bimail 400
Contact: BIM (+32-2-759.59.25) pge@sunbim.be
X.400-address: C=be;A=RTT;P=BIM;O=Horizon;S=Geurts;G=Patrick
Notes:
    Bimail is a complete X.400 electronic mail system.  It consists
    in a user interface which gives access to all X.400 services
    with a consistent look and feel, a message transfer agent (MTA) system
    which can transfer messages over X.25, TP.4 and TCP/IP (using RFC 1006).
    A gateway to SMTP mail is also available.

Free: calentool
Description:
    a day/week/month/year at-a-glance calendar and almanac.
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/calentool2.2Xp1.tar.Z
Contact: Bill Randle, Tektronix, Inc. <billr@saab.CNA.TEK.COM>

Free: emacstool
Description:
    a SunView program that was converted to XView, and is included with the
GNU emacs distribution.

Free: Genix
Contact: Ian Darwin <ian@sq.com>
    A genealogy program, written in C using Guide.
    Incomplete as of Jan '93; inquire for details.

Free: WorkMan - Audio CD player for X11 (Sun, Ultrix)
Requirements: XView libraries
Ftp: Ultrix binary: ftp.hyperion.com in /WorkMan
Ftp: ftp.ucsc.edu in "incoming" - database of over 750 CDs
Contact: koreth@hyperion.com (Steven Grimm)

Free: pan - Postit notes

Free: WAIS
Ftp: sunsite.unc.edu
Description:
    Networked, distributed text-retrieval system.  OLIT-based front end.
Notes:
    You might to need to add -lce to the Makefile.

Free: xrolo - Rolodex card index/address book

Free: xv_display
Description:
    An XView program for showing a text file, like more(1).

Commercial:  SearchIt 1.0
Contact: SunSoft or SunExpress
    US: 1-800-873-7869;  UK: 0800 89 88 88
    Germany: 01 30 81 61 91;  France: 05 90 61 57
Platforms: SPARC, Solaris 1.x
Price: $249
Notes:
    SearchIt is a full text search and retrieval application designed to
    improve individual and group productivity.  It makes an index to files
    and can later retrieve documents by words or phrases, ranking the results
    in relevance order.

Commercial: ShowMe
Contact: SunSoft
Notes:
    Conferencing software that lets multiple connected users share the same
    drawing screen, with bitmap capture and moveable pointer.
Requirements:
    You can only run one ShowMe per computer, so you have to have a CPU per
    conference member.

Free: xvman - Man Pages viewer

Free: xvtdl - ToDo List manager
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu /contrib/xvtdl-4.0.tar.Z, /contrib/xvtdl-4.0-README
Requirements: XView libraries
Contact: Mike Jipping jipping@cs.hope.edu  (BITNET: JIPPING@HOPE)
Organisation: Hope College Department of Computer Science

Free: name_finder
Contact: richard.elling@eng.auburn.edu     +1 (205) 844-2280
Ftp: ftp.eng.auburn.edu [131.204.10.91] pub/name_finder1.2.tar.Z.
Patches: pub/name_finder1.2.compile.patch1.
Requirements: OpenWindows 3.0, C++ 2.1 or greater to recompile
Description:
    name_finder was orginally designed as a replacement for the name finder
    missing from the OpenWindows Version 3.0 mailtool.  It has since grown
    into a tool for several electronic mail related activities including:
    interaction with local ListServ robots for handling mail lists,
    requesting Full.Name style mail aliases from your local PostMaster, and
    providing mailbox status information ala finger(1).

    name_finder is written in C++ (cfront 2.1) using gxv++ version 1.1.
    If you don't have access to a C++ compiler, a precompiled sparc
    executable is included in the distribution.

Free: bibcard	interface for BiBTeX databases
Requirements: XView
Ftp: iamsun.unibe.ch [130.92.64.10] in /X11/Bibcard-1.11.tar.Z
Ftp: 	includes source and SPARC binary for SunOS 4.1.1.
Version: 1.11
Description:
    GUI for mantaining bibliography databases which can be used with
    LaTeX, TeX and FrameMaker

Free: moxftp -- interface to ftp.
Ftp: ftp.chpc.utexas.edu as file /packages/X/xftp.1.1.tar.Z.
Contact: Bill Jones jones@chpc.utexas.edu
Requirements: X11, OLIT or Motif or Athena widgets
Notes:
    formerly called xftp.
    compiles under (at least) Ultrix, AIX 3.1.5, AIX 3.2, Convex OS, SunOS,
    Unicos 6.1.4, and IRIX.  Uses OLIT.
    BUG: can also use OSF/Motif and Athena widgets.

Free: olvwm -- OPEN LOOK Virtual Window Manager
contact: Scott Oaks
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu in the contrib directory
Patches: there are two patches
Requirements: XView 3
Description:
    Olvwm is a version of olwm that manages a `virtual desktop' (hence the
    `v' in its name).  It shows a little map on the screen, with the
    currently displayed area represented by a little rectangle.	 You can
    move around by dragging the rectangle or with the arrow keys.  This
    lets you run several clients (applications) and move the display around
    from one to the other.  Olvwm was derived from the OpenWindows 3.0 olwm.

Free: ftptool -- OPEN LOOK front-end to ftp
Requirements: XView
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib

Free: Hyperlook
Contact: The Turing Institute
Requirements: OpenWindows 3 (running the xnews server, not X11)
    Hypertext package written entirely in NeWS.  Runtime from turing.com
    in /pub or ftp.uu.net (graphics/NeWS/HyperLook1.5-runtime.tar.Z)

Maestro (ftp from sioux.stanford.edu)
    Multimedia authoring tools, including support for sound, text & video.
xvnews (ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu)
    An xview-based newsreader for netnews.

Free: xvttool
Ftp: cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives
Ftp: nuri.inria.fr:/X/contrib/clients
Ftp: lth.se:/pub/netnews/alt.sources/volume92/dec/xvttool*.Z
Ftp: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/usenet/comp.archives/x11/terminal/xvttool
Description:
    A vt100/102 emulator, in both XView and SunView versions.  Includes
    buttons for the PF keys, etc.

Subject: PostScript and Graphics Viewers

Commercial: pageview - PostScript previewer
Contact: Included in OpenWindows as part of DeskSet.
Notes:
    Type 1 support only in OpenWindows 3.0.1 under Solaris 2.1.
    Antialiasing support - with colour OpenWindows 3 try pageview -aa -dpi 150
    Note that pageview uses the X11/NeWS server to interpret the PostScript,
    and thus won't run on an X terminal or other non-OpenWindows server.
    It's *not* enough to be runing an OPEN LOOK UI [tm] window manager such
    as olwm.

Commercial: xps - PostScript program editor and previewer
Contact: included with OpenWindows 2.0 under demo and share/src
Notes:
    Only runs under OpenWindows 2.

Commercial: psh
Contact: included with OpenWindows
	simple interface to NeWS and the OpenWindows server

Free: ralpage
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/clients
Notes:
    Crispin Goswell's PostScript interpreter, much hacked.
    Not OPEN LOOK compliant.  No Type 1 font support.
    There are other versions of this called `xps', `postscript', etc.;
    don't confuse this `xps' with the one mentioned above.

Free: ghostscript
(from the Free Software Foundation)
    Supports Type 1 fonts.  Not OPEN LOOK based.

Subject: Tools: Terminal Emulators

Free: cmdtool, shelltool
Requirements: XView 3 toolkit
Notes:
    These are included in the XView source distribution from
    export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib; they're also included with Sun's
    OpenWindows.

Commercial: SwitchTerm
Contact: Micro Resources Inc., Columnbus, Ohio, USA, +1 614 766-2335
Notes:
    A version of Xterm with an OPEN LOOK UI, print interface,
    ANSI X3.64 colour escape sequences, etc.

Commercial: IsoTerm
Contact: The Bristol Group Ltd., +1 415 925-9250 and (49) 6105-2945 (Germany)
Requirements: OpenWindows 3 (??)
Other Products: IsoTeX, IsoFax, Power Base
Notes:
    An OLIT-based terminal emulator.  I couldn't get the demo version to
    give me a shell prompt, although it did look like it was a pretty fll
    vt340 emulation, with double-height characters, colour, fonts, grahics
    and so forth.
    With the Union Flag (the British flag) as their logo I somehow expected
    an English address, perhaps in Bristol...

Subject: Other Commercial Applications

    Contact SunSoft (or Sun) and ask for the Catalyst OPEN LOOK guide,
    which lists over 200 pages of applications.

    You can also get the free CDWare CD/ROM, which contains demo versions
    of several popular OPEN LOOK UI applications.  Once you've done this,
    you can often simply contact the vendor concerned to have the license
    upgraded from demo, and receive the full product documentation.

Product Name: Author/Editor - SGML-based text editor/word processor
Company Name: SoftQuad Inc., +1 416 239 4801, mail@sq.com
Description:
    Word processor or text editor that manipulates ISO 8879 SGML documents.
Interfaces: OPEN LOOK UI (XView), OSF/Motif, Mac, MS/Windows

Subject: Applications: toolkit Extensions

Product Name:     Xtra XWidgets
Company Name:     Graphical Software Technology
E-Mail:           info@gst.com
Phone:            310-328-9338;    Fax: 310-376-6224
Keywords:         graphics, library, widgets, spreadsheet, help
Interfaces:       OPEN LOOK, Motif
Platforms:        SPARC, HP9000s300/400/700, IBM RS6000, Interactive 386
Requirements:     X11, Xt, Xol (or Xm) libraries and headers; X11
Price:            $795/single user, $3000/network, $5000/source
Support-Price:    $400/30 calls
Source-Available: yes
Description:
    The Xtra XWidget library contains a set of widgets that are subclassed
    from and compatible with either OLIT or Motif widgets.  The library
    includes widgets that implement the following: Spreadsheet, Bar Graph,
    Stacked Bar Graph, Line Graph, Pie Chart, XY Plot, Hypertext, Hypertext
    based Help System, and Data Entry Form.  Widgets have been successfully
    integrated with both TeleUSE from Telesoft and Builder Xcessory from
    ICS.  A free demo is available for any of the supported platforms.

Product Name:     XRT/Graph
Company Name:     KL Group
E-mail: sun.com!suncan!klg!info, info@klg.com
Phone: +1 416 594-1026
Description:
    XRT/graph is a graph object that extends the XView toolkit;  There are
    also Xt versions for OLIT and Motif.  XRT/graph supports line plots,
    scatter-plots, strip-charts, bar charts, stacking bar charts, pie charts
    and filled-area charts, singly and in combination.  It supports real-time
    updates, true Postscript output, and intelligent user feedback.  It comes
    with Builder, a graph prototyping tool, which supports code & resource
    file generation.  A free demo (vmgraph) is available.
    There are free integration kits for UIM/X, TeleUSE, and Builder Xcessory
    (others in progress).
Availability:
    XRT/graph for XView and OLIT are only available on SPARC.
    XRT/graph for Motif is available on a dozen or so platforms.

Free: Slingshot XView extension

    Slingshot provides rectangles (like the Xt Intrinsics' RectObj gadget),
    drag-and-drop support, images, icons and text, trees, lines, arrows...

    Get it by ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu, in /contrib/SlingShot2.0.tar.Z
    (remember to use binary mode in ftp!).
    You can also get it by sending mail to archive-server@gazooch.eng.sun.com
    with the body of each message containing a line like
	send sspkg2.0 Part01 Part02
    going up to
	send sspkg2.0 Part17 Part18
	send sspkg2.0 DocPart01 DocPart02 DocPart03
	send sspkg2.0 DocPart04 DocPart05 DocPart06
    You can ask for one file at a time to reduce the impact on intermediate
    mail sites.	 Ask the mail server for help with the Subject line: "help".
    A human can be reached at archive-manager@gazooch.eng.sun.com.
    Add a line in the message
	path <your-mail-address>
    if you think the normal automatic reply address might not work.

Ada bindings for XView
    Sun Ada 1.1 includes among other things an Ada Source Code Generator
    for Devguide.  It uses the Verdix XView Ada bindings.
    It does not yet [July 1992] support gfm (the guide file manager).

C++ Bindings for XView

Qualix's XV++.

UIT

Subject: OpenWindows 3 Ports

    Sun: SPARC, SunOS 4.1
    Sun: SPARC, Solaris 2 (actually 3.0.1?)
    others: none so far...

There are said (by Sun) to be two or three ports of OpenWindows either
available now or in progress.  Contact Anthony Flynn at Open Vistas
International (anthony@ovi.com) for more information.  (originally they
said 35, but perhaps they meant 3.5)

OpenWindows source is available - commercially, it costs about $5,000 for
the server, including TypeScaler and the toolkits; deskset (filemgr etc) is
another $25,000; ToolTalk is $40,000 or so.

Subject: XView 3 Ports

What: XView 3
System: Apple A/UX
Porter: lmj@uncompaghre.jax.org (Lou Jones)
Ftp: encyclo.jax.org
Notes:
    The libraries and utilities (olwm, cmdtool, etc) are available for
    anonymous ftp from encyclo.jax.org. I used gcc 2.1 to compile the
    sources. If there is enough interest, I can make the diffs
    available.

System: Concurrent 7000 (68040 based)
Porter: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)

System: DECStation/Ultrix
Porter: dscott@ittc.wec.com (Dave Scott)
Ftp: media-lab.media.mit.edu:~ftp/xview3-ultrix.4.2-mips.tar.Z
Notes:
    Let me stress that this is *not* fully tested, but seems to work
    pretty well.  Please let me know about any problems you find.
    Problems I already know about:
	Large buttons under *any* non-Sun X server (non-xnews; i.e. any
	standard MIT X11R[45] server) have the bottom of the button
	chopped off.  We're working on this one. :-)
    XView 3 is also available on the DEC Freeware CD, from DECUS.
[actually this seems *not* to be Dave Scott's port; please accept my apologies
 for listing this incorrectly.  A correct entry will appear as soon as I get
 the necessary information.  -- Lee]

System: HP 720
Porter: (?)
Ftp: tesla.ucd.ie [137.43.24.44], /pub
Notes:
    Includes HP 720 build, HP XView patch file, Xvgr.

System: HP9000/300 series
Porter: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)

System: HP9000/7XX series
Ftp: ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk (138.253.42.172) hpux/X11/xview-3.part[123].tar.Z

System: Intel (SysVR4/i386)
Porter: dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Dawes)
Ftp: ftp.physics.su.oz.au, suphys.physics.su.oz.au  /Esix_4/x11r5 hierarchy
Notes:
    His patches were for Esix 4.0.3 but should work on DELL, ISC and Intel
    SVR4 with no worries. The files are README.xview3 and xview3.diff.Z.
See Also: linux

System: IBM RS/6000
Porter: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell)
Compiler: bsdcc
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/xview3/Fixes/xview3_rs6k_unofficial.patch.Z
Notes:
    There is still a problem with tty support for the RS/6000. For
    instance, the cmdtool will not work. Still, most everything else works.
    For those of you who have already installed my previous patch, I have
    put a separate patch for just the shared library problem. This file is
    contrib/xview3/Fixes/xview3_rs6k_XView_lib.patch.Z.

System: linux
Porter: Kenneth Osterberg <lmfken@lmf.ericsson.se>
ICompiler: gcc 2.3.3, libc4.2
Ftp: tsx-11.mit.edu /pub/linux/binaries/usr.bin.X11/xview3L2
Ftp: sunsite.unc.edu
Notes:
    Inlcudes olvwm, UIT

System: SGI
Porter: Rainer Sinkwitz <sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch>
Ftp: export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/xview3/Fixes/xview3_sgi_unofficial.patch.tar.Z
Notes:

System: Solbourne Series 5
Porter: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell)

Subject: XView 2 Ports

In general, there is no point in using XView 2 if you have XView 3 available;
it's a good idea to look for an XView 3 port first.  Moving from XView 2 to
XView 3 is usually simply a matter of recompiling, unless you've done
"dirty tricks" or used undocumented calls.

System: Stellar GS100 (Stardent 1000) and Stardent 1500 & 3000
Porter: arvai@scripps.edu (Andy Arvai)
Ftp: perutz.scripps.edu (137.131.152.27) in the pub/xview directory
Notes:
    Stardent is now Kubota Pacific (KPC)

System: Harris Nighthawk 4000 system (CX/UX Unix)
Porter: andy@harris.nl (Andy Warner)
Status: Commercial

System: SGI/Iris
Porter: (?)
Ftp: wuarchive.wustl.edu:graphics/graphics/sgi-stuff/XView/xview2

System: VAX/VMS
Porter: TGV Inc (?)
Notes:
    A company called TGV makes a product called "XView for VMS".
    They made XView 2.0 libraries.  I haven't seen them advertising
    XView 3.0 libraries yet.

Subject: Games (free and commercial)

Commercial: Aviator - flight simulator for GX-equipped SPARCStations
Contact: Artificial Horizons Inc, aviator-interest@ahi.com;  +1 415 367 5029
Requirements: OpenWindows (2 or 3), SunOS 4.1 or later, SPARC GX or GXplus

Free: hexsweeper - minesweeper game based on hexagons
Contact: lee@sq.com, include HexSweeper in Subject
Requirements: OpenWindows 3.0 or later
Toolkit: TNT 3

Free:

Free: sidtool - PacMan game
Ftp: ftp.uu.net /usenet/comp.sources.games/volume1/sidtool/*

    an OPEN LOOK PacMan(tm) surrogate that
    appears as a debugger - the bad guys are code bugs that
    move around your screen; you (the good guy) chase them
    with a 19" monitor that eats bugs.

Commercial: SimCity
Contact: Dux Software, Los Altos, CA
Price: US$89
Requirements: OpenWindows 3 (uses NeWS).  Doesn't run on a 4/110 with cg4 :-(

Free: Spider (Included in OpenWindows under `demo' and `share/src')
    A patience-style card game with two packs of cards and
    excellent bitmap cards.
    I suggest recompiling to allow the cards to have rounded edges.

Free: Xblackjack (ftp from export.lcs.mi.edu as contrib/xblackjack-2.1.tar.Z)
    A MOTIF/OLIT based tool constructed to get you ready for the casino.


Who holds the record for most career strikeouts while playing for one team?
Who holds the record for most career strikeouts for the Rangers?
(Hint: Nolan Ryan isn't either)

What two pitchers have over 100 career saves for two different teams?

Who is the only player to hit 300 or more career home runs and steal 300 or
more career bases for the same team?

No fair peeking at your baseball stats....


It is a data aquisition board for the Mac II series.  It is called
the DMA Board with GPIB Interface.  You may call NI at 800-IEEE-488
to find out more about it.

Hope this helps.

Saiid Paryavi


And for the Commodore CDTV.


While I will first congratulate the Blues for their victory, I think it must
be realized that the primary reason the Blues were able to win was Curtis
Joseph.  When a goalkeeper gets hot, there is little an opposing team can do.
Joseph should be given the entire city of St. Louis, because otherwise there
would probably be a game 6 scheduled.

As for the game on Sunday.  The Blues caught a few breaks, without a doubt.
One was the Referee constantly watching the Blackhawks, looking for reasons to
give them penalties.  Second, The Blues first goal resulted because the puck
hit the linesman as the Blackhawks attempted to clear.  No linesman, no shot
for Brett(I can redirect anything)Hull to redirect.  On another of St. Louis'
goals, Belfour was tripped from behind as he went to make the save by someone
who didn't belong in the crease, which means it was a St. Louis player.
Finally, the overtime goal was caused because someone kept Belfour from getting back to the crease.  No goalie, no way to stop the shot.

I congratulate St. Louis for beating the Hawks.  It will be a shame to see
Bryan Murray finally advance to the Campbell Conference Finals because Joseph
won't be able to stop the powerful Red Wing attack.

____________________________________________________________________________


Anyone have any idea how to get Japanese League stats regularly in the US?

- matt

wall@cc.swarthmore.edu

Matt Wall * wall@cc.swarthmore.edu * Hey, I gotta job here, OK?


:>... Also, as implied by other posters, why
:>do you need to boost the orbit on this mission anyway? ...
:You don't *need* to, but it's desirable.  HST, like all satellites in
:low Earth orbit, is gradually losing altitude due to air drag.  It was
:deployed in the highest orbit the shuttle could reach, for that reason.
:It needs occasional reboosting or it will eventually reenter.  (It has
:no propulsion system of its own.)

Has any thought been given as to how they are going to boost the HST yet?
Give it a push?  I can see the push start cartoons now :-).


Hi!

I want to change the default paper cassette on our LaserWriter Pro 630
from the 250-sheet cassette to the 500-sheet cassette. Right now, we all
have to change it manually on the Print dialog each time we print. If we
forget, the document is printed on the letterhead paper we have in the
250-sheet cassette.

Any ideas?
--Michael


Not only is benzene a carcinogen, it is adsorbed through the skin and cause
cumulative damage to the bone marrow which is essential to the production of
your blood cells.  It is highly toxic. One exposure is unlikely to kill you,
but it will likely do hidden damage.  Benzene is one compound that chemists
try like hell to avoid using!
Acetone is much less toxic, but is highly flammable and volatile.
It also dissolves lots of things so handle with great care!


"broken"

Again, as the original poster of the article, I apologize if it
implied that atheism = brokenness.  Such was not my intent and
I apologize for any hurt feelings in the process.


The Bricklin was a car manufactured by a company started by Malcolm
Bricklin, who, I believe, was Canadian.  He was the first one to import
Subarus, and later was responsible for importing Yugos, I believe.
Anyway, he had this idea that what would really sell would be a sports
car, but one incorporating a bunch of innovative safety features.  The
Bricklin was built to be that queerest of beasts, the safety sports car.
 If any of you remember the early 70s movement among car makers to
design "experimental" safety cars, you will recognize the general
appearance of the Bricklin - big 'ol bumpers, etc.  Anyone recall other
safety features?  The engine was an american v-8, Ford I think is right.

Personally, I kinda like the way they look, and if I remember from the
old magazine articles, the performance was only half-bad.  The choice of
colors, though, tended towards the 1970s lime green - yech - but highly
visible, I suppose.

The Delorean, on the other hand, was a dog - nice looking (IMO) but no
motor at all.
Dan
dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Applied History


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 {|_|_|__|   jcs@sage.cc.purdue.edu
 //oo--OO    ...!pur-ee!sage.cc!jcs


Phototransistor-> X100 -> X100 -> NE567
with 330Kohm              Limiter
feedback to base
to control operating point (I expect this really hurts Noise Figure! Any
comments from Phototransistor experts?)

We intended to use this atop a stepper motor, to provide headings to the
beacons. The plan was to have 3 or 4 beacons, of different frequencies, in
each room, and tell the 567 what frequency to phase-lock to. We did not do so.
One challenge was that the available stepper had 8 degree steps!
Knowing the headings to each beacon, we would have used the surveyor
technique of RESECTION to determine robot location. (No, I ain't going to
explain resection over the net.)


I do not know if I am hitting the right news groups or not, any help in
the right direction is more than welcome.  I need help finding a company
that will take photographic images scanned in and modified by Adobe Photoshop
and turn them into thermal prints or negatives.  I am looking for a place
as close to North Carolina as possible.  The images will be created on
a Macintosh Quadra 800 running Adobe Photoshop and will then be stored in
whatever format the vendor requires, perhaps 88M cartridges?

    The images will be black and white photographs scanned in with a 1200 dpi
scanner then modified/corrected by Adobe Photoshop.  If anyone could help me
or even give me phone numbers to people who could I would be very grateful.

    Also if anyone else is doing what I am planning I would be happy to hear
from you with any advice you might provide as to the computer system you
use and/or any peripherals or software.  It seemed the Quadra 800 would be
my best bet to modify photographic images.  I am planning on buying a Quadra
800 with 32Megs of RAM, a 510Meg Hard Drive, a 1200 dpi scanner, 17" Sony
monitor and a 88Meg cartridge drive and perhaps a CD ROM.  I am new to
computers and any advice would be great.


  [pseudo-letterhead deleted -- dcs]

# While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they
# repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and
# attempt to starve the Gazans.

  Why do I detect the faint scent of bias here?  Could it be because
  the Israelis aren't feasting?  Perhaps because the Gazans aren't
  starving?

# The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population
# density in the world,

  Oh, oh.  I hadn't realized that the Chinese had wiped out Hong
  Kong, or that Singapore had sunk into the sea, or that several
  other cities had vanished.  Either that, or this is a taste of
  the quality of 'Research' we're about to see.

#                       has been cut off from the world for weeks.

  So I suppose that the footage on CNN last night was archival,
  and Ted Turner was faking it after the NBC style?  Or is this
  another wee little exaggeration for the sake of a Greater Truth?

# The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of
# Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the
# strip and seek work in Israel.

  Hey!  You forgot that Israel has also denied Syrians the same
  'right'.  Come to think of it, Mexico is denying me that 'right'
  evan as I write this!  Or are you ever so gently suggesting that
  Israel, unlike every other country on Earth, shouldn't be allowed
  to control traffic across its borders?

# While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the
# Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help
# the Gazan resistance.  The only help given to Gazans by Israeli
# Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance.

  This sounds like a parallel, but it isn't.  Tell us how many Poles
  went into the Ghetto to join the Jews there.  Oops!  For a moment
  there I forgot that in Poland, 'humanitarian assistance" could
  get you killed.  Come to think of it, humanitarian assistance to
  the Gazans can get Israelis killed, too.  Except that in Gaza,
  it's likely to be by a Gazan death squad in your own office.

  So let's keep the parallel.  Since the gross numbers aren't the
  same, we'll need a proportionality value.  Should we use:
    * Gazan vs Jewish initial population?
    * Gazan vs Jewish death rates?
    * Gazans vs Jews who survived five years of occupation?
    * Israelis vs Nazis attacked by the 'resistance'?
    * Israelis vs Poles charged with aiding the victims?
  Since the two cases are so comparable, it shouldn't matter
  which we pick, they'll all be about the same, right?

------------

Contrary to popular hyperbole, the IDF *could* quite easily kill
off the entire population of Gaza in hours if they wanted to.
(No, I'm not exaggerating.  And I really don't want to discuss how.)
Note that a million dead Gazans don't get much more headline
space than a dozen, and are just as soon forgotten -- and once
exterminated, they can't keep popping up as headlines.

So if a "Final Solution" for Gaza would be so much better from
a *Realpolitik* standpoint, why doesn't Israel go for it?  A
difficult question to answer for those who can't believe anything
good about Jews, and probably why they keep trying to force-fit
the facts into the theory.


We used to have a tax in Greece named after the Queen's Mother. The Queen
left (Monarchy was abolished) but the tax stuck...

Similar single purpose taxes have stuck (i.e. to help the victims of
the earthquake of 19XX, build the Metro)

ObMoralConclusion: next time someone proposes a car tax or gasoline tax
promising it's temporary, it AIN'T.

Spiros


Ditto. Great post.


useless
which of
and
a

But ingnoring putouts is biased in yet another way. Range is
not the only thing that makes a good firstbaseman. The ability
to field all sorts of balls thrown to him: digging some out of the
dirt, stretching for others, and so forth is important. Thus,
putouts do provide some information.  Maybe what we need is a
comparision of how many balls were thrown to the area of the
first baseman vs. how many he actually got.


Relay of coverage seen:
----------------------
There was a press conference by authorities at the compound on CNN earlier
today (Wednesday).  It was explained that two news photographers were found
on the compound earlier this morning without permission.  It was explained
to the press corps. that this is dangerous and that an unknown photographer
turning around with a long lens camera could be mistaken for someone dangerous
by a Texas Ranger surveying the site. (!)

The two photographers were said to be currently in jail and
the press were warned to follow the authorities' guidelines.
It was also emphasized that the survey of the "crime" scene at this
point was crucial and that the press could not be allowed to interfere.
The press will not be allowed in until the bodies are removed and the
site has been completely surveyed for evidence for a court case.

That is the gist of the beginning of the conference to the best of my
memory.  I bring this up because I haven't seen anyone else note it
and I haven't seen the regular newscasts mention it.  It will
probably be mentioned in the papers tomorrow.

My opinions:
-----------
I find this disturbing.  While I believe that Koresh is largely
responsible for not ending this standoff in a peacable manner during the
last 51 days of patient opportunity, I find the secrecy surrounding the
aftermath more damaging to the authorities' position than they realize.

Since the vast majority of potential defendents in a court case are
already dead, the emphasis on the importance of building the court
case seems overblown to me.

It will be interesting to see the hearings on this affair.  I have also
heard congressional calls for a review and possible overhaul of government
enforcement agencies which you will recall I have stated would be a good
idea in previous months.

Please also note that I by no means endorse  or agree with the many
conspiracy-type theories I have read here and in other groups.  As usual,
I am basing my opinions on info gathered from various media and filtered
by my own common sense and consideration of plausibility, IMHO.  As such,
my opinion is subject to change as more information is made available.

Scott Roby                                                Standard Disclaimer


Sure ... because it's a non-market phenomenom and the free market
can't solve it.  Even our private insurance says that ....

.... and wants no part of it.

Canada is saturated by American media.  While pundits come on cable
and talk about how awful our health care is supposed to be, what
people experience up north ends up not differing from what they see
portrayed on American television in movies (i.e., same infrastructure,
different insurance make-up).  Yet they know not of any insurance
problems, and have no idea of what an HMO is ... but having lots of
British TV as well, they know that they don't like NHS.

The polls that you refer to, for the Canadian data, are from the
annual July 1st polls conducted for Macleans (our major English
newsmagazine) by Decima Research ... Decima president Allen Gregg is
considered one of the world's top poll researchers, and Mulroney's
Conservatives have relied on him to keep in power in the face of
impossible election situations.  The American polls are Harris polls,
and have been reposted on USENET a few times and probably will again.
I'm sorta suspicious myself, 'cos maybe Americans want universal
coverage like Canada --- I honestly doubt that most Americans realize
that we have private doctors and public and private hospitals (i.e.,
similiar health care infrastructure) and our "system" is basically
pure insurance without HMO's.

Until the idea of managed competition arose, there was no direct
threat to stand-alone private practice.  In the 1960's, the AMA
fought HMO's as corporatized socialist medicine ... part of the
reason why we have only insurance, and no HMO's in Canada 'cos
that was part of the deal cut with the CMA.

But each site is probably compact, and the clientele are creamed.
And don't forget that HMO's place caps on your coverage, and often
won't tell you about additional procedures you could get otherwise
(despite that you might be willing to pay for it).

gld


.

re.

own.

s.

Will do! I appreciate the thoughtfullness of the Post to not be an
intermediary for such sales. The "Right to bear arms" is one of the most
misapplied rights in our Constitution, and assault weapons go way beyond
what is, or rather should be (imho), a "natural" right in America. Just
ask the family of that boy shot back in September - the papers are full of
stories about a child with an assult weapon with a "angelic face" (Post)
who committed the murder without ever thinking.

This has all got to get under control. I applaud the Post for their bravery


I believe that there's a 10 year period from time of death until
a person can be on a commemorative stamp.  It was broken once
for Lyndon Johnson (I think) but other than that it has held for
awhile.  Of course, we can still start now -- the Elvis stamp
was petitioned for ages and things really moved once it got
past the 10 year anniversary of his death.


Hi All

I have a Korg DVP-1 for sale for $300.00 + shipping.  For those who've not
had the pleasure:

It is a MIDI controlled (no keyboard of it's own) rackmountable digital voice
processor.  What can it do with your voice?  It can pitch-shift it (change the
notes you sing).  It can add harmonies to your singing (up to 5 parts at one
time).  It can change your voice into a synthesizer's voice but leave what
you say alone and intelligible.  This works well for a "computerized" sounding
singer, or robot voice.  For those of you who just thought about that, yes -
you can do the voices from Robo-Cop, and the old ELO lead-ins with it, and yes -
I'm a little red-faced to say that I tried those specifically.  For an input,
it takes both: XLR (3-prong mic) and 1/4" cables.  For output, you can have
a combination of the original-input-only, and your choice of mix between the
original signal and the effect (can be effect only if desired).  It has preset
setups, which you can edit and save for your own preferences.  It has a couple
of light scratches, but does not look bad, and works flawlessly.  Even when we
don't use it in my music, it's been good for after-hours fun in the studio.
The manual is included.  I never got around to getting rack-ears for it, but
it has only gotten studio use from me - no roading, so it's not beaten.


IT'S BACK!!!!!!

Congratulations, you've just discovered a very nasty, and very frequently
ecountered, bug in the Word Setup program. Once you know what is wrong, it
is quite easy to fix. Go into the Fonts dialog under Control Panel, and select
the two fonts MT Extra and Fences. Delete them, but only delete the list
entries, not the disk files. Now select Add, and add the fonts MT Extra Plain
and Fences Plain. Close the Font box, close Control Panel, and restart Word.
Everything should be alright now.

Does anyone know if Microsoft has fixed this thing yet? They HAVE to know
about it by now, it's been so frequently reported.


	1) They are religious parodies, NOT atheistic paradies.

	2) Please substantiate that they are parodies, and are outrageous.
	   Specifically, why is the IUP any more outrageous than many
	   religions?

---

Private note to Jennifer Fakult.

        "This post may contain one or more of the following:
         sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware
         of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be
         confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume
         all of the above.


[REMAINDER DELETED]

I don't have my copy of the manual with me right now, but I can offer the
following in the interim:

   1)  The card uses port addresses 0x2E0 and 0x2E8 (which are NOT
       configurable).  These addresses, incidentally, were inadvertantly
       omitted from my version of the manual.

   2)  I believe there is a dip that controls whether or not to enable
       IRQ 2 (for CGA or EGA support??!?).

Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
               Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.


$># Item number 1:  in a previous posting, you stated that you had found
$># "overwhelming support for child molestation" in soc.motss:

$># You have (finally) responded to this one.  I have read your complete file
$># of postings to soc.motss and to put it bluntly, it does not support your
$># assertion.  In short, this claim is bogus.  Thank you for confirming this.

Clayton, are you really an idiot, or do you just play one on USENET?

You claimed you had postings from a dozen (i.e. 12) soc.motss posters that
"supported child molestation". (Point aside that they were really defending
abolishing or modifying the age of consent laws, or the right to be ATTRACTED
but don't act upon desires for children).

so 12 out of thousands is an "overwhelming majority".

You never cease to amaze me.

And you still haven't told me why my relationship with my partner is immoral.

Brian D. Kane


In the list you mentioned, tgif handles everything except rotation and
any size text.  It only supports 90 degrees rotation.  Currently, it
supports 11 (X11R4 standard) font sizes.  However, it allows arbitrary
scaling of the entire drawing.  Effectively, it allows any font sizes, but
you can only have 11 different sizes per drawing.

Tgif takes up 850K (compiled with -O option) on a SPARCstation.  I was told
that it compiles under Linux, but I haven't tried it yet.  It works with
both color and monochrome X.


Timbo, Israel has not been recognized as a state by the Arabs, except for
Egypt, of course.  Isn't that  a gesture?  What has Israel offered?
Well, it has been calling for peace talks for 45 years, asked for
economic relations, and asked for diplomatic ties.  What else is there?
Would you have Israel sacrifice its security?  Nay, I think not.


Hmmmmn...don't you ride with your sweetheart?

--
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)


	No, it is the stock setup.  Someone really ought to put an end
	to the confusion regarding BMW's chain drive boxers.  Didn't
	someone post the FAQ on this some time ago?  In essence, it
	describes the problem BMW is having with their decision to
	settle down to a shaft drive as a standard.  They vacilate
	and persist in reintroducing the chain drive in various
	models.  (R/C)  Gosh.  Well, on with the crusade!


89' Toyota Camry LE 4 dr sedan
AC AT power windows and locks
53k miles, asking $9000.
Pls call 510-526-8248 or send e-mail to this account.


/ hpcc01:comp.dcom.modems / bourman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bob Bourman) /  8:59 am  Apr 27, 1993 /
/ hpcc01:comp.dcom.modems / bourman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bob Bourman) /  8:51 am  Apr 27, 1993 /
For Sale
12KBps
Microcom MicroPorte 1042 pocket modem
New List Price $895

Rechargeable battery pack (in modem)
Auto logon, Password security, UUCP and Kermit support, remote access
DTLA cellular connection, MNP2-4, V.42 & MNP10 error correction
MNP5 & V.42bis data compression
Bell 103,212A,V.22,V.22bis & Microcom Turbo Mode
19,200 DTE & 12,000bps DCE speed
9 & 25 pin adapter cable & AC power transformer

Make Offer (>$200)
Bob Bourman
(415) 857-8409
E-Mail bourman@corp.hp.com

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I have some questions about this subject.  I like to leave my
computer on if I think I'm going to be using it withing the next 2 or
3 hours, but I get sick of my Dad constantly coming up to me and
asking "Why is the computer on if you're not using it?"  I also
wonder about my computer being harmed by fluctuations in voltage from
other things (garbage disposal, etc.)  Here are my questions:

How much harm do voltage fluctuations cause?  My computer does not
share a circuit with anything big but our my light dims when a
refrigerator comes on or the garbage disposal is turned on (whose
doesn't?), and also when the washing machine does anything.  All
these things cause a drop in voltage which is harmful to a computer,
right?  I also notice the fan in my System Saver turning at different
speeds.  Is it safer to turn it off and back on when I want to use it
or to leave it on?

How much electricity does my computer use?  I have an Apple IIgs (ne
flames), with a Kensington System saver GS (1 electric fan inside),
an AppleColor RGB monitor, and an EXTERNAL 3.5" HD (1 fan and its own
P/S).  How do I translate this into Kilowatt-Hours?  Also, how much
of this is used by the monitor?

Does the monitor use considerably less juice when the screen is
totally black but still on?

Many computers spin the HD up and down constantly to save power.  I
always thought this was harmful to the HD and defeats the purpose of
leaving the computer on in the first place (except portables).  Is
this true?

Thanks for the Info.  I think this will help lots of people.


%
%   Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce  myself.
%   Yes, I'm the enemy.
%

   Sorry Allan,  but unless  you happen  to be  the guy  who watches  T.V.
   while he's  driving a  white Toyota  on route  129 between  Atsugi  and
   Hiratsuka, you're not even -close- to being "the enemy"!!

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  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan |


Hi out there!

Every command-line-shell-favourating user: Close your ears, ehm, eyes...

I'm looking for a X file-manager which can be driven under TWM.
Somebody told me last night, there is one under OpenWindows
(and there certainly is one under MS-Windows :-#).

But I'd like an X-one, you know, with icon's, click-and-drag, directory-structures
shown in a graphic-layout, a paper-basket etc. ...

Anybody got an idea?

Please reply.

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     _/   _/    _/                    Chiquita (Denn nur Chiquita ist Banane!)
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   _/   _/  _/      _/ _/   _/           e-mail: sommer@ips.cs.tu-bs.de
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 Transform ... and roll out! (BigTruck - Transformers)


True.. but what about showing the missing part of a leaf?  Is this
"corona discharge"?


I am very serious about the purchase of a 486dx-33 that uses the Orchid VLB
mother board, The system also has the VLB IDE and Fahrenheit video board in
it. I haven't seen or heard ANY bad comments about this board! Does anyone
out there have any comments good or bad about this board? I am considering
this board primarily because of Orchid's reputation and long standing in
the field. Thanks for any and all comments.


I have a couple reasons why I would be more likely to trust this algorithm:
	1. The algorithm will be made totally public, once it is patented.
	2. The keys will NOT be escrowed.
Of course if either of these is not true, I will not use this new algorithm.
Since I have never seen this new algorithm, I have no idea how secure it is
yet.

I can't make any judgements about the algorithm itself yet, but I do notice
that the creators of this algorithm are being more open about how the
thing works, and is willing to make it public, showing that after a bit
of scrutiny, any weaknesses will probably be revealed, while we don't know
about Clipper.

Doug Holland


   >Some< of?

  Yes, I think so and it has been reported as such.  Seems like a cowboy
movie-style attack was needed for some reason....

  The answer is probably YES. But consider; what was the WORST thing that
could have happened if they waited?  Hint: whatever it was it could not have
been any worse that what DID happen.

  But that statement of taking full responsibility is totally meaningless.
What are the consequences for being fully responsible for this disaster?
A note in your personnell file??  Slick already called these people a bunch
of crazy people and dismissed the idea she should resign.  Doesn't take
ANY balls at all to take the responsibility.  Hell, at that rate >I< will
take full responsibility for it.  No skin off my nose....
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I've been playing with a centris 610 (8/230) for the last couple weeks.  The only
problem that I have seen is that a couple of the applications I run are
incompatible with the 040's processor cache, so I have to run with it turned off.
Actually, the main thing I don't like it is that it doesn't have a software
powerup/powerdown, and the power switch is DIRECTLY UNDER THE FLOPPY DRIVE!  (I
haven't hit it thinking it would eject the disk, but some tired night I'm going
to be really upset with that design decision.....)

In all, no problems with it. floppy and printing have been just fine.  (printing
is done across a localtalk net, not a directly connected printer)


Build 59 causes 2 exceptions when I exit Windows. In fact, I have had
this happen on all builds after 44, which shipped with my Gateway
system.  Am I doing something wrong, or is this problem commonly
overlooked?


I don't know either.  Truth be known, so little is known of angels
to even guess.  All we really know is that angels ALWAYS speak in
the nativ tongue of the person they're talking to, so perhaps they
don't have ANY language of their own.

Well, we are told to test the spirits.  While you could do this
scripturally, to see if someones claims are backed by the bible,
I see nothing wrong with making sure that that guy Lazarus really
was dead and now he's alive.

It's a common fallacy you commit.  The non-falsifiability trick.  How
can I prove it when not all the evidence may be seen?  Answer:  I
can't.  The fallacy is in assuming that it is up to me to prove
anything.

When I say it has never been proven, I'm talking about the ones
making the claims, not the skeptics, who are doing the proving.

The burden of proof rest with the claimant.  Unfortunately,
(pontification warning) our legal system seems to be headed in
the dangerous realm of making people prove their innocence (end
pontification).

But truthfully, Corinthians was so poorly written (or maybe just
so poorly translated into English) that much remains unknown
about just what Paul really intended (despite claims of hard
proof one way or another).  Some will see his writings in
1 cor 12-14 as saying don't do this don't do this and using
sarcasm, metaphor, etc. while yet others take what he says literally
sarcasms and metaphors notwithstanding.


Nah... I figure most people would be so busy reading that they wouldn't
have *time* to post. :-) :-) :-)

							spl


     You'll find that in Allen, C.W., "Astrophysical Quantities", Athlone
Press, Dover, NH, 3rd edition, pp. 268-269 (1973).  To the accuracy it can
be calculated (see specific references in Allen about how it is
calculated), the temperature is 3 degrees K.

     Lots of people have remarked on this temperature.  The first may have
been in Eddington's book, "Internal Constitution of Stars", Ch. 13 (1926;
reprinted 1986), where he gives the "temperature of space" as 3 degrees.

     The source of this temperature is the radiation of starlight.

     To the accuracy of measurement, it's the same temperature.  Some of us
think this may not be a coincidence.  -|Tom|-


Don't forget little girls!  My not-quite-2 year old daughter now
excitedly points and says "motorcycle" every time she sees one go
past.  I've done my work.  (Of course, it helps that one of her
books shows Sir Topham Hatt in a chaffeured side car rig...)

Can you think of a better way to convince the kid that "someday, I'll
ride one of those things"?

No, it's a genetic thing with little humans...

Just don't let them touch hot pipes.


It also works great to put under your kickstand on those really hot
days when the tar gets really soft.....

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Jim "rags" Rye                    Senior Technical Support Analyst
86 Harley Davidson                     rye@crayamid.cray.com
                                    Cray Research Inc, Mpls, MN.

"If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for
 tomorrow morning, sleep late."
              -Henny Youngman


No comparison. The BEL is just a hooped up wideband Escort like detector.
No directional indicators, no Bogey counter, no radar signature analysis, no
remote display option, not as sensitive, not as well built.
Had it, sent it back!