Since I don't think Tom always gets time to read this group, I'll take the
liberty of responding to some of this.  If you really want Tom to reply
you should send mail to support@qdeck.com.

A 64k line is certainly going to restrict you far more than the 10mbps
ethernet that we typically run.  How restrictive it will be depends on
what you run and how you run it.  I would think that a couple of instances
of some really nasty program like "Smoking Clover" would make the link
useless for anyone else.  On the other hand, probably 50 xclocks quietly
updating every 10 seconds or so wouldn't impact it too much.  In the real
world, you will be somewhere in between these two extremes.

Going by the way I personally use X on a daily basis, I wouldn't want to have
to share that 64k link with more than 3-4 other people.

Our corporate WAN is as unique as any other.  The usage patterns are not very
good predictors of how yours will behave.  The only one of our low bandwidth
links that normally get used in this way is a 56k link to Ireland that they
often use to run a DOS text based client end of a client-server database
remotely from the DVX machine behind me. Since the server end is (or was) always
at this end (California) it is faster to remotely run the client via DESQview
X and have a short hop to the server than running the client locally and having
a long hop to the server.  As I warned you, this tells us very little about
how you usage pattern will fill a 64k ISDN link.

Running Word for Windows remotely is going to itself be very usage dependent.
Let's break it into pieces and look at it.  Tracking the mouse pointer is easy
and efficient to translate from Windows calls into X. Popping up a menu is a
little more involved and will generate some traffic.  Restoring the screen
that was covered by that menu may be easy and may not be.  Does the server
that it's displaying on have backing store?  If so and the server had enough
memory the display can be updated locally and will generate little network
traffic. If no backing store, then what was being covered up?  If it was a
solid colored rectangle of space we can tell your xserver to draw that quite
easily.  If it was a full color backdrop of Ren & Stimpy we may have to send
it back to the X server bit by bit.  DVX will do its level best to only redraw
that small area, but in some unusual cases the entire screen may need to be
repainted.  Assuning a 1024x768 screen with 4 bits per pixel that's 3145728 bits
that has to be sent.  Worst possible case you're looking at about 50 seconds.
In reality it would never be this bad since the screen will always have parts
that will be tranlatable into higher level X calls.

X was designed from the ground up to be efficient across a network.  It's
pretty good for this.  X programs are best, DOS text programs are almost
as good (since we conert them to X easily).  Something like WinX is a hybrid.
We intercept the calls Windows makes to it's graphics driver/ mouse driver
keyboard driver and convert them to X.  The calls Windows is making are in
no way designed to be efficient on a packet switched network.  We go to a
lot of trouble to convert them to the highes level Xlib calls we can, but
we are somewhat limited because we only know what Windows and its applications
tell us.


-*----

I believe that Maharishi is titular.  (Someone please correct me if
I am wrong.)  Thus, Maharishi Rajneesh is a different person from
Maharishi Mahesh, but they are both Maharishis.


The new Cruisers DO NOT have independent suspension in the front.  They
still
run a straight axle, but with coils.  The 4Runner is the one with
independent
front.  The Cruisers have incredible wheel travel with this system.

The 91-up Cruiser does have full time 4WD, but the center diff locks in
low range.  My brother has a 91 and is an incredibly sturdy vehicle which
has done all the 4+ trails in Moab without a tow.  The 93 and later is even
better with the bigger engine and locking diffs.


BIOLOGICAL ALCHEMY

                        ( ANOTHER Form of COLD FUSION )

               ( ALTERNATIVE Heavy Element Creation in Universe )

               A very simple experiment can demonstrate (PROVE) the
          FACT of "BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS" (reactions like Mg + O
          --> Ca, Si + C --> Ca, K + H --> Ca, N2 --> CO, etc.), as
          described in the BOOK "Biological Transmutations" by Louis
          Kervran, [1972 Edition is BEST.], and in Chapter 17 of the
          book "THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS" by Peter Tompkins and
          Christopher Bird, 1973:

               (1) Obtain a good sample of plant seeds, all of the same
                   kind.  [Some kinds might work better that others.]

               (2) Divide the sample into two groups of equal weight
                   and number.

               (3) Sprout one group in distilled water on filter paper
                   for three or four weeks.

               (4) Separately incinerate both groups.

               (5) Weigh the residue from each group.  [The residue of
                   the sprouted group will usually weigh at least
                   SEVERAL PERCENT MORE than the other group.]

               (6) Analyze quantitatively the residue of each group for
                   mineral content.  [Some of the mineral atoms of the
                   sprouted group have been TRANSMUTED into heavier
                   mineral elements by FUSING with atoms of oxygen,
                   hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, etc..]

               BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS occur ROUTINELY, even in our
          own bodies.

               Ingesting a source of organic silicon (silicon with
          carbon, such as "horsetail" extract, or radishes) can SPEED
          HEALING OF BROKEN BONES via the reaction Si + C --> Ca, (much
          faster than by merely ingesting the calcium directly).

               Some MINERAL DEPOSITS in the ground are formed by micro-
          organisms FUSING together atoms of silicon, carbon, nitrogen,
          oxygen, hydrogen, etc..

               The two reactions Si + C <--> Ca, by micro-organisms,
          cause "STONE SICKNESS" in statues, building bricks, etc..

               The reaction N2 --> CO, catalysed by very hot iron,
          creates a CARBON-MONOXIDE POISON HAZARD for welder operators
          and people near woodstoves (even properly sealed ones).

               Some bacteria can even NEUTRALIZE RADIOACTIVITY!

               ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE HAPPEN, IN SPITE OF the
          currently accepted "laws" of physics, (including the law
          which says that atomic fusion requires EXTREMELY HIGH
          temperatures and pressures.)

          "BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS, And Their Applications In
               CHEMISTRY, PHYSICS, BIOLOGY, ECOLOGY, MEDICINE,
               NUTRITION, AGRIGULTURE, GEOLOGY",
          1st Edition,
          by C. Louis Kervran, Active Member of New York Academy of
               Science,
          1972,
          163 Pages, Illustrated,
          Swan House Publishing Co.,
               P.O. Box 638,
               Binghamton, NY  13902

          "THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS",
          by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird,
          1973,
          402 Pages,
          Harper & Row,
               New York
          [Chapters 19 and 20 are about "RADIONICS".  Entire book is
               FASCINATING! ]

               For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
          please consult my CITED SOURCES (the two books).

               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


Well, apparently once you get past about 6 inches, all the luggage shifts back in the panniers, the passenger slides back, and the dog ends up hanging onto the top rack,
and they go all the way over until it's flat on it's ass, with the front wheel
straight up in the sky.  Impressive, but hard on the tail lights. :)


Is this newsgroup archived anywhere beyond the normal expiration
dates, say for the last 6 months or more?


If I'm going to drive on a public road then I need a
speedometer, and an odometer helps for navigation.

My 1965 Chevy has a bare minimum:  Engine-temp and
Oil-press warning lights and a fuel gauge.

My 1983 VW has tach, water-temp, voltmeter
and oil-temp gauges.

If I had a turbo car, I'd want a vacuum manifold/boost
gauge.  An oil pressure gauge is a nice, reassuring
gauge to look at.  If my car was air cooled, then I
would substitute a cyl-head-temp gauge for the water-temp
gauge.

A few years ago, I looked at the Audi Quattro Si Coupe
that Bobby Unser used to win the 1986 Pikes Peak Hill Climb.
The gauge layout, from left to right, top to bottom was:

----------------------------------

speedometer

----------------------------------

fuel                  tranny
press                 temp

----------------------------------

differential           water
temp                   temp

----------------------------------

big orange             tach
oil-press
warning light

----------------------------------

oil-temp               boost

----------------------------------

oil-press

----------------------------------


I can see that some of the above verses do not clearly address the issues,
however, a couple of them seem as though they do not require "incredibly
perverse interpretations" in order to be seen as condemning homosexuality.

"... Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers,
nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards,
nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom  of God.  And such were
some of you..."  I Cor. 6:9-11.

Would someone care to comment on the fact that the above seems to say
fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God?  How does this apply
to homosexuals?  I understand "fornication" to be sex outside of
marriage.  Is this an accurate definition?  Is there any such thing as
same-sex marriage in the Bible?  My understanding has always been that
the New Testament blesses sexual intercourse only between a husband
and his wife.  I am, however, willing to listen to Scriptural evidence
to the contrary.

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an
abomination.  Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to
be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate
with it; it is a perversion."  Lev. 18:22-23.

I notice that the verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows the
verse prohibiting what appears to be homosexual intercourse.  I know
of no New Testament passages that clearly condemn, or even mention,
intercourse with animals.  Do those who argue for the legitimacy of
homosexual intercourse believe that the Bible condemns bestiality as a
perversion, and if so, why?  That is, what verses would you cite to
prove that bestiality was perverted and sinful?  Could the verses you
cite be refuted by interpreting them differently?  Can one be a
Christian zoophile?

By the way, I myself am subject to sexual desires that I did not
choose to have and that many people would regard as perverted and
sinful, so please understand that I am not asking these questions out
of an antipathy towards my fellow "people of alternative
orientations".  I do believe, however, that one should read the Bible
with an attitude of "what is the Bible trying to say" and not "what do
I WANT the Bible to say."  I choose not to give in to my "perverted"
sexual desires because I believe the Bible tries to tell me, whether I
like it or not, that such things are sin.  It is frustrating at times,
and I have had days where it really got me down, but I don't blame God
for this, I blame the sin itself.

- Mark

[There's some ambiguity about the meaning of the words in the passage
you quote.  Both liberal and conservative sources seem to agree that
"homosexual" is not the general term for homosexuals, but is likely to
have a meaning like homosexual prostitute.  That doesn't meant that I
think all the Biblical evidence vanishes, but the nature of the
evidence is such that you can't just quote one verse and solve things.

I think your argument from fornication is circular.  Why is
homosexuality wrong?  Because it's fornication.  Why is it
fornication?  Because they're not married.  Why aren't they married?
Because the church refuses to do a marriage ceremony.  Why does the
church refuse to do a marriage ceremony?  Because homosexuality is
wrong.  In order to break the circle there's got to be some other
reason to think homosexuality is wrong.


Damn, you're dead right! That pretty much settles it. Not to worry.

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Hesse           |          A man,
jhesse@netcom.com    |                 a plan,
Moss Beach, Calif    |                         a canal, Bob.


Does anyone know how to decode the color information of a NTSC signal ?

I need to convert this data to RGB for a Video Capture Utility I am
writing for use with an IBM M-MOTION Video adapter card...

I need to know the how the V and U signals work in the color process.

Thanks in advance for any information or algorythms etc.


:
: >What kind of power must he be putting out to cause the effects?
: >The affected equipment is about 100 feet from the road...
:
: Might be a couple of hundred watts, from the sound of it.  Kicking sound
: out of the TV and stereo speakers by direct RF rectification requires a
: mighty strong carrier!  [I've heard of linears so powerful that
: triggering them while the car was idling, would stall the engine by
: pulling down the battery voltage.]

It would take a lot more than that. It sounds like the radio equipment is
actually not shut completely off - but just goes to a standby situation.

I suspect that the stories are just that, stories.  The voltage can only
be sucked down so far instantaneously. When you try to jumpstart someones
car, when your vehicle is at idle, does your car stall? No, the other car
just does not crank well.  Now, the engine might stall because the idle
was too low to start with. When the extra current is drawn, the idle speed
will drop - as the alternator loads down the engine to compensate for the
increased amperage requirement.

: >Is resolution of this problem a matter for the power company, the fcc, or both?
:
: Ultimately it's likely to be your problem to resolve, I'm afraid.  The
: FCC is so understaffed that they don't pay much attention to citizen
: complains about RFI (or so I've heard)... they'll just send you a
: pamphlet describing how you can apply corrective measures.
:
: Talking to the power company might help - they might be able to install
: filtering devices at your service panel (or recommend a type which you
: could have installed by a licensed electrician).

A transmitter is not going to be affecting house power. If surges are
occurring there, it is due to another cause - not a transmitter.

: Unfortunately, there's a fair chance that enough signal is being picked
: up by your house wiring that a simple service-panel filter won't
: suffice.  You may need to install heavy-duty RFI filters at the power
: connections of your affected equipment.

It is probably not that much of a problem. Often - toroid coils on the
power leads will solve that part of the interference problem. It will
not solve internal equipment deficiencies.

: If the problem occurs regularly, you may need to "stake out" the street
: in question, and watch for trucks or cars with big antennae driving by
: at the time interference occurs.  If you can identify the vehicle which
: is transmitting, you may be able to contact its owner and complain.

It is probably not the transmitter that is at fault. If the person is an
amateur, then he/she will probably be willing to help - if you explain
that the person is causing interference.


to take this to its, er, "logical" conclusion, it is impossible to
ascertain whether or not i am a better hitter than roberto alomar,
or a better pitcher than juan guzman, or a better center fielder than
devon white.  after all, if i were on the blue jays, can you really
prove that they wouldn't have won the world series in both 1991 AND
1992?

while i thank you, mister maynard, for your faith in my atheletic
prowess, i can assure you that your faith is misplaced.


One way to make cheap trimmable resistors is to use a high-wattage carbon
composition resistor, and saw a notch in it with a triangular file.
Of course, you can only increase the resistance, not decrease it.


I need 3 tickets to the cleveland showing of phantom of the opera.
I will pay face value for tickets in the 50 dollar and lower range
preferably a matinee show but any in middle to late may will be bought.
please leave mail.


[This was crossposted to a zillion groups.  I don't intend to
carry an entire discussion crossposted from alt.sex, particularly
one whose motivation seems to be having a fun argument.  However
I thought readers might be interested to know about the
discussion there.  --clh]

I intend to endeavor to make the argument that homosexuality is an
immoral practice or lifestyle or whatever you call it.  I intend to
show that there is a basis for a rational declaration of this
statement.  I intend to also show that such a declaration can be
made without there being a religious justification for morality,
in fact to show that such a standard can be made if one is an atheist.

Anyone who wants to join in on the fun in taking the other side,
i.e. that they can make the claim that homosexuality is not immoral,
or that, collaterally, it is a morally valid practice, is free to do
so.  I think there are a lot of people who don't believe one can have
a rational based morality without having a religion attached to it.

This should be fun to try and figure this out, and I want to try and
expose (no pun intended) my ideas and see other people's and see where
their ideas are standing.  As I'm not sure what groups would be interested
in this discussion, I will be posting an announcement of it to several,
and if someone thinks of appropriate groups, let me know.

If someone on here doesn't receive alt.sex, let me know and I'll make
an exception to my usual policy and set up a mailing list to automatically
distribute it in digest format to anyone who wants to receive it as I'll
use that as the main forum for this.  By "exception to usual policy" is
that I normally charge for this, but for the duration the service will be
available at no charge to anyone who has an address reachable on Internet
or Bitnet.

I decided to start this dialog when I realized there was a much larger
audience on usenet / internet than on the smaller BBS networks.

To give the other side time to work up to a screaming anger, this will
begin on Monday, May 24, to give people who want to make the response
time to identify themselves.  Anonymous postings are acceptable, since
some people may not wish to identify themselves.  Also, if someone else
wants to get in on my side, they are free to do so.


From: dhammers@pacific.? (David Hammerslag)

	How do you (Mormons) reconcile the idea of eternal marriage with
	Christ's statement that in the resurrection people will neither
	marry nor be given in marriage (Luke, chapt. 20)?

Footnotes in some bibles reference this verse to the Book of Tobit.
Tobit is in the Septuagint. Goodspeed published it in a book called
"The Apocrypha". Most any bookstore will have this. At any rate, the Jews
of Christ's day had this book. It is a story mostly centered around the
son of Tobit who was named Tobias. There was a young lady, Sarah, who had
entered the bridal chamber with seven brothers in succession. The brothers
all died in the chamber before consumating the marriage.

Tobias was entitled to have Sarah for his wife (3:17) because Tobias was
her only relative and "...she was destined for [Tobias] from the beginning"
(6:17).

Tobias took her to wife and was able to consumate the marriage. The
seven husbands would not have her as a partner in heaven. That does not
eliminate Tobias, her eighth husband. Tobit is a fun and interesting
story to read. It's kind of a mythical romance. It's a little shorter
than Esther.

The LDS also have scriptures that parallel and amplify Luke 20. Most
notably Doctrines and Covenants 132:15-16.

	"Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry
	her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as
	he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage
	are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of
	the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they
	are out of the world.

	"Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor
	are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which
	angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are
	worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of
	glory."


I have tried that with one font, if your xterm terminfos/termcaps are set up
to NOT remap bold (which they are be default) to reverse, then nothing happens
when bold is displayed.  It would appear (at least in X11R4) than you cannot
display bold in an xterm without specifying two fonts; a normal and a bold.
I wish someone would prove that incorrect.


I heard about the arms sale to Saudi Arabia.  Now, how is it such a grave
mistake to sell Saudi Arabia weapons?  Or are you claiming that we shouldn't
sell any weapons to other countries?  Straightforward answer please.

Who benefits from arms sales?  Hint, it isn't normally the gov't.  It is
the contractor that builds that piece of equipment.  Believe it or not,
the US and UK don't export the huge quantities of arms that you have
just accused them of doing.  Arms exports are rare enough, that it
requires an act of congress for non-small arms to most countries, if
not all.  Do you believe in telling everyone who can do what, and who
can sell their goods to whom?


Alright, that's enough. I've suffered with all kinds of insults (as
typical for the net), but give me a break. Galarraga is currently
batting over .400 and you guys are complaining that he isn't drawing
enough walks.  What would he have to do to please you guys, bat 1.000?
You can hardly claim that he is "hurting his team".

If it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches
and he starts making lots of outs (as someone speculated might happen),
*THEN* I would agree with you that he isn't taking enough pitches. My comment
that "he isn't paid to walk" doesn't mean that he should have a license
to swing at bad pitches and make outs; it's more along the lines of: he's
batting .400 and leading the league in RBI's so what bloody difference
does it make if he isn't drawing  a lot of walks? Sheesh.


a 286 upgrade would probably cost about $50, 386 about $150 or so.
Coprocessors or accelerator cards would cost at least that much.


Hi there again...
I still have a few tapes left...

As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid) - Or Best Offer...
Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary...
Package deals welcome...

Thanks...
Chris Bray

Lewis, Huey|Sports
	Contains "Heart of Rock and Roll", "Heart and Soul", "Want a New
	Drug", "Walking on a Thin Line", "If This is It", and more!!!

Hooters: Nervous Night
	Contains: And We Danced, Day By Day, All You Zombies, Nervous Night...

Poison|Look What the Cat Dragged In
	Their 1st tape. Contains "Cry Tough", "I Wont Forget You",
	"Talk Dirty to Me", and more!

Hall & Oates|Big Bam Boom
	Contains: "Out of Touch", "Possession Obsession", and more!

Ratt|Out of the Cellar
	Contains: Wanted Man, Round and Round, and more!

Quiet Riot|Condition Critical
	Contains: Mama Weer All Krazy Now

Outfield|Play Deep
	Contains: Say It Isn't So, Your Love, All the Love in the World,
	and more!

Plant, Robert|Shaken n' Stirred
	Contains: Little By Little

Journey|Raised on Radio
	Contains: Girl Cant Help It, Suzanne, Be Good to Yourself, Ill Be
	Alright Without You, Why Cant This Night Go On Forever...

Monkees|Then and Now - The Best of the Monkees
	Contains: All their big hits plus some...

INXS|Kick
	Contains: Mediate, New Sensation, Devil Inside, Need You Tonight,
	Never Tear Us Apart, Mystify, and more! GREAT TAPE....


  There was at least one blast consistent with petroleum products that I
saw, however propane is interesting stuff.  It doesn't explode on contact with
air.  It is *possible* for a tank to rupture without exploding.  Far more
likely, however, is that the compound was equipped with NG outlets running to
the tank.  Damage from the CEV's could have ruptured the gas lines, allowing
the gas to spread, unnoticed in the CS fumes and general excitement (propane
typically has a distinctive odor added to it for just this reason -- to smell
leaks), until reaching a flame or spark, and then Whooosh!  Fire everywhere,
and maybe an explosion.  Use of NG is pretty common in Texas, especially
semi-rural areas.

  This is true, but so far the FBI/BATF track record on this incident is very
bad.

  I think it would have disarmed many people if the FBI followed this same
policy.  They have not.  They are making claims without evidence, and what
evidence we have so far tends to refute their story.

semper fi,


 Stay away from GEICO.

 A recent CAR & DRIVER issue has an article about GEICO giving free
 laser guns to police departments to increase they're speed limit
 enforcement.  The article also said that if you get a speeding ticket
 your premium will increase dramatically based on how much "over the
 limit" you were.  If I remember correctly, at "more than 20 over",
 you'll get something like a 65% increase.

 If you have a radar detector, you will be denied coverage or dropped
 immediately.

 One accident claim and you will be dropped.
 After many years with GEICO, my father who had 0 tickets and had made
 0 claims, had an accident and filed an $800 claim.  He was dropped
 immediately.  Since then he has been with State Farm for years with
 no complaints.

 I have been with State Farm for about 20 years - no complaints.


I add my congratulations as well. To all those who survive the gauntlet,
cheers.


Habital planets are also dependent on what kind of plant life can be grown..
and such.. Length of growing season (that is if you want something more than
VAT food, argh, Id ratehr eat an MRE for  along period of time).

I know in Fairbanks (Furbanks to some) the winter can get to -60 or so F, but
in the summer can get to +90 and such.. I know of worse places..

Incans and Sherpa and other low pressure atmosphere and such are a limit in
human adaptability(someone mentioend that Incan woman must come to lower
elevations to have babies brought to term? true?) I remember a book by
Pourrnelle I think that delt with a planet was lower density air..

I wonder what the limit on the other end of atmospheres?

I am limiting to human needs and stresses and not alien possibilties..
Thou aliens might be more adapted to a totally alien to human environment, such
as the upper atmosphere of Jupiter or??

Almost makes bio-engineered life easy...


Antonio,you weren't alone.

ABC ratings were very good. I was schocked to hear that ABC's telecast
was the fifth most watched sporting event over the weekend. National
rating came out to a very respectable 3.3. Top-29 Nielsen markets were
at 2.9. In Boston,the game scored lower at 2.4 but it had some competion
from local sports teams.
Quite frankly, I expected ABC's ratings to be under 2.0. But I'm happy
to be proven wrong!

Well,well...Sometimes it pays off clicking away on your cable-tv remote
control.:-) And if you happen to be a hockey fan,you could just stumble
upon a playoff hockey game...

ESPN picked up Detroit-Toronto game on Monday night because the only
night game in MLB was being rained out in Chicago. You have to give
ESPN credit for switching to Detroit's FOX-50 coverage and having Bill
Clement at a Pittsburgh's TV station(WATE?) for intermission analysis.
Maybe,ESPN people were giddy over perliminary over-night ABC ratings
for Sunday's telecast and thought it was a good idea to feature the
Norris division showdown rather than a monster truck competion.
Good move,ESPN!


All Muslims knew that the whole thing was set up to destroy Iraq, not
to "Liberate Kuwait", The people who were killed by the invasion are
more (many many more), than the ones that were killed by the Iraqis
in their smaller invasion. I lived in the west, and I have seen how
your media prepared you (helpless naive Americans) for a war against
Iraq even before the artificial conflict between Iraq and Kuwait that
led to the invasion, as the CIA correctly predicted (and pretended to
be surprised not to know).
It just happened that Saddam was so predictible and so arrogant and stupid.

What would I have done: Most Muslims would choose 300 dead Kuwaitis over
200,000 dead Iraqis and 1000 dead Kuwaitis. The first case would happen
if no western intervention happened, and the second case was a direct
or indirect result of western envolvement.

Human rights in Kuwait? what about human rights in Iraq? why the west
gave Saddam a green light to slaughter his own people? I will give my
reason: because the rich Kuwaitis do not mind to be your salves, so
they deserve some democracy, but Iraqis might not, so they don't.

As simple as that, whether or not you want to admit it.

Not necessarily the best solution, my view of an Islamic state (and
that of Turabi that your media made you hate) includes all the benefits
of a secular state minus the injustices. Did you ever read a book by
Rashid Al-Ghannoushi (Tunisia), Hassan Turabi (Sudan)? You only know
about them from your Self-censured, self-controlled media.

If they make this kind of campaign against such a moderate thinker as
Turabi is, and keep quite about such an extremist Muslim scholar as Bin
Bez of Saudi Arabia is, it just does not encourage any moderation in
our ARab world.

No it was not that, it was just some irrelevent stuff that I took out
to go around the copyright (;-))

I ceased to take the Newyork times seriously. In issues concerning Islam
it has become one of the biggest enemies (although less than the other
NewYork daily since Mortimer took it over). It lies, selects facts that
fits its agenda and even prints racist and open anti-Muslim editorials.

What they claimed in that articles is a bunch of lies because while
the selected facts are true about some of those persons, the other members
are actually defence lawyers and University science professors who wanted
to fight corruption, uncover atrocities against opposition activists and
Shia minority, and generally increase awareness about the rights of all
citizens. The only thing that is common between those people is their concern
for the deterioration of human rights since the Saudi clan took a green
light from AMerica (after the gulf) to do whatever is necessary to stay
in power.

Do you know that ALL OF THE SAUDI ULEMA have been taught the same things?
the ones in the official Iftaa are as conservative as the ones that are
opposing it. SOme of the members of the human rights committe are MORE
PRO-WOMEN and wanted to defend them, and that is precisely one reason that
Bin Bez's Fatwah  implied for the "Illegality " of this committee
and  for his claim that it represents "Outside interests"

There is a human rights issue in Saudi ARabia, and YOU and NY times chose
to ignore the main issue and select some of the members of that committee
and actually defend the actions done against them (including banning them
from their Jobs.

What a hypocricy. I am not surprised really, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME.

The official Ulema are the most extremist anti-women meat-heads in Saudi
Arabia, the west continues on its campaign to discredit itself in the
Muslim community, by supporting them. Well after Bosnia, I guess it has
ZERO credibility to begin with, so what the heck.


Hi

I would like to know if there is any software, PD or not, who
could produce X11 output of HPGL file on RS/6000. And same kind of
software who could produce hardcopy on postscript and lasetjet.

Thank You


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Perhaps you have a different understanding of what "physics" is.  If we
can't measure anything objectively, then the answers we get from physics
aren't objective either.  That's what I mean when I say there's no objective
physics.

Sure, we can all agree that (say) F = GMm/r^2, but that's maths.  It's only
physics when you relate it to the real world, and if we can't do that
objectively, we're stuck.  (Of course, this displays my blatant bias towards
applied science; but even theoretical physics gets applied to models of real
world situations, based on real world observations.)

It's an axiom that it's invariant.  But if the two of us measure it, we'll
get different answers.  Yes, we call that experimental error, but it's not
really "error" in the conventional sense; in fact, if you don't get any,
that's an error :-)

You could argue that the value of c is "objective, to within +/- <some
value>".  But I'd call that a rather odd usage of the word "objective", and
it opens the way for statements like "Murder is objectively wrong for all
people, to within 1% of the total population."


[DD] Not taking sides leaves one in a state of perpetual indecision because
[DD] both sides in this issue have their own logic at any given time. As an
[DD] Armenian I am partisan -- by definition. However, this does give me the
                                                                ^
                                                                |
                                   obviously a "not" goes here--+ as
                                   evidenced by the context.

[DD] license to lie, cover-up, or revise events under question as we have read
[DD] on UseNet in postings by agents of the Turkish government. I understand
[DD] both sides of the issue, but this does not mean I will advocate both sides
[DD] when it suits me. Such a position would make me a hypocrite. I am also not
[DD] being paid by agents of Turkey nor Azerbaijan as are many proponents of
[DD] the Azeri side. I refer to agents such as Captioline International Group,
[DD] Ltd., being paid in excess of $30,000/month by Azerbaijan. I state my case
[DD] unencumbered by such advocacy or prostitution.

Thanks to Mr. CG.


Here is something crossposted from the AHL mailing list:

In a discussion between me and Chris Lerch, the subject of Springfield's
1st round upset of the Providence Bruins
came up. Chris basically raised the possibility that the AHL
hierarchy is biased in favor of the Indians. He noted that the offices
for the league are in Spring. and many ex-Indians are working for the AHL.
Furthermore, he also informed me that back a few years ago in the Cup
finals between Roch and Spring, that the Amerks charged favoritism by the office
and that:

"...there were little questionable things liket he AHL president and
staff attending all games with the Springfield brass, including sitting
in their box for the game in Springfield and, according to the Rochester
media, openly cheering for Springfield."

Certainly this is something that is quite serious if any of this
is true. I don't know if this is anything more than whining on the
part of the Amerks (they have pulled this sort of crap against the
Wings before) but if true, this is somthing that seriously raises
questions about President Jack Butterfield's leadership.

BTW- This was posted with the permission of Chris


If you want parallels the best source is probably the book _Temple
and Cosmos_ by Hugh Nibley.  It is not light reading however.

As to why these early practices "only parallel" and do not exactly
duplicate the modern LDS ceremony, there are a couple of reasons:

1.  Quite likely we do not have the exact original from ancient
times.  This stuff was not commonly known but bits and pieces
undoubtedly spread.  (Much as bits and pieces of the modern ceremony
get known.)  What we have in the 40 day literature, the Egyptian
ceremonies, and certain Native American ceremonies is almost
certainly not exactly what Jesus taught.


If companies compressed their executables with LZW andd did some kind of
encryption in the process, this "change two bytes here" thing would go right
out the window.


Hi,

I'm working on a project that involves storing an application's rendering
to an X display and then playing it back again.  Rather than
"reinvent the wheel", it like to find:
	* a file format for saving X protocol.
	* software that saves and replays such a session.

Any ideas out there?  I've heard that there is a version of Xscope
that will save and replay sessions.

I'd be willing to share much of the code I develop back to the X community.

Axel............


Posted on behalf of Craig Southeren who does not have access to
a net account:
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Can anyone provide me with a colour space transform that would
emulate the effects of red/green colour blindness? I have had
a quick look in the computer graphics literature with no results.
Perhaps someone who has access to medical information could help?

I would like to write a program (probably a PPM filter) to allow
previewing of images to check for sufficient contract for colour
blind users. Not being colour blind myself, this is a bit difficult!

Please email replies - I will summarise and repost if there is
sufficient interest

    Craig

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Craig Southeren                      |  "You can have it good, cheap,
Chief Engineer,                      |   or fast. Any two."
Picture Start Productions            |      Arthur C. Clarke
email: c/- geoffw@ucc.su.OZ.AU       |
phone: +61 2 959 5550                |  "Educate - don't legislate"


I need to duplicate a bunch of floppy disks (3.5") and ideally would like to
be able to keep 2 to 4 floppies busy simultaneously on a single PC.
[Yes, I know that services to do this exist.]

I know that standard ISA bus floppy controllers can only have one drive active
at a time. I know that some controllers are available that can handle 4
floppies with serialized access. I know that microchannel machines can keep
more than one floppy active simultaneously. But does anyone have a controller
for an ISA bus PC that can simultaneously keep 2 to 4 floppies going?
How about for an EISA machine?

If the limitation is a software limitation, I can work around that by using
OS/2 1.3 on my PC-286.

New or used, I'm interested.

orville


Compared to the Second Amendment?  I think it's worse.

The problem is, the devil is in the details.  You know, the Brady Bill
sounds like a "good idea" too, until you discover that there is NO check,
and that the police DON'T have to allow your purchase even if you check
out, and that you have NO recourse if they don't.

Are there any loopholes here?  I'm no lawyer, I can't be sure.  I
would have never noticed the second one mentioned above in the Brady
Bill, for example.

The more words involved, the more details.  What was that saying about
Abraham Lincoln requiring 200 words to free the slaves, and the modern
Congress requiring 3,000,000 words to describe price controls on rice?

That only works with bad laws.  Good laws are like good computer programs.
Quality has to be written in from the start, not added on later.
--


{>
{>
{> >What is the difference between the US Robotics Courier v32bis external and t
{> >Sportster 14400 external? I see that the price of a Sportster has dramatical
{> >dropped to below $200 but the price of the Courier remains above $400.
{> >
{> >Anyone with knowledge of both of these modems or anyone that owns a Courier?
{>
{> The Sportster at 14.4 has v.42 error control and v.42 bis data compression.
{> This is becoming standard on all these high speed modems.  The difference
{> with the Courier, is that it can run at 16.8 and only in the HST mode.

The courrier will not run at 16800 only the Dual Standard HST (the USR
modem over $600)  my courrier will do up to 14,400 and with compression
error correction, much more. it will do v.32 v.32bis v.42 v.42bis
v.22 etc. etc and ASL too. (whatever asl is)

                                                       -David

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


The experience you describe is why I don't like to sit with my bike in
gear - I figure there's a chance that I'll be startled in some way and
stall my bike.  And I figure this is more likely than the chance that
I'll be unable to escape some situation because of the extra time
needed to put the bike in gear.

So I concentrate on avoiding situations rather than making split-second
evasive manuvers.  I split lanes so I'm not at the end of the line.
(Unfortunately this is not legal in most of the country)  If I can't
split (perhaps there isn't room) then I will stop near one side of the
lane so I have an easy escape, and leave my bike in gear until the next
car has stopped.  I watch in my mirrors in the mean time to make sure
it will!  Whether I really would have time to move should a car fail to
stop, I haven't had to find out yet.  Some cars have an annoying habbit
of racing up behind you before braking heavilly, so it can be hard to
tell if they are planning to brake or not!

So in summary, position yourself for an easy exit, and then watch your
mirrors until it's all clear.


I have a few the original IBM 10Mb harddisks for sale. They are actually
Seagate's ST412, MFM, full height,  has the IBM logo and black face plate.

  Each disk is checked and formatted with DOS 6.0. It can be doubled to
20Mb or so with dblspace or stacker if you so desire.  Have the original IBM
foam fitted boxies and anti-static bags. I am not sure if they were ever
used, but each drive that is sent out will be quarenteed in good working order.

 $30 each plus shipping cost, (about $5),


Hello,
        my name is John and I have the following comic books for sale - please
feel free to make a bid if you'd like.  Add one dollar for shipping (USA).
Remember to e-mail your replies to OETH6050@iscsvax.uni.edu - as I am not a
regular on this group.  thank you.

Marvel---------
Silver Surfer (current series) #1 (3 copies)
X-factor #1 (2 copies)
Excalibur #1 (the first square bound )
The Punisher #1 (2 copies)

DC Comics--------------
Watchmen #1-12 (one copy each)
The Omega Men #1,2,3 (#3 is the first Lobo appearance]
Green Arrow the longbow hunters #1 (3 copies - all autographed by Mike Grell)
                                #2 (2 copies)
                                #3 (only one copy :(   )

Alternate Comic Companies -------------------
Get this......
        Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (not reprints!)
                #2 (auto graphed by Kevin Eastman)
                #3, and #4
Michaelangelo #1
Donatello #1

Aliens (by DarkHorse Press)  #1 (2 copies)

Whitman Comics (1978) ----------------
Star Trek #54 (autographed by James Doohan - you know "Scotty")


Updated April 27, 1993.

Most comics here are priced at 40% below the Overstreet Price Guide, all
comics are in near mint to mint condition.

TITLE                                                   PRICE
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 13 (Wolverine appears)                   	$ 7.20
	     50 (Double Size)				$ 1.00
	     51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel)	$ 5.40
Amazing Spider-Man 267 (Peter David script, Human Torch)$ 2.10
                275 (r/origin Spiderman, Hobgoblin)     $ 7.20
                276 (Hobgoblin appears)                 $ 5.40
                284 (Punisher, Hobgoblin appear)        $ 5.40
                293 (Kraven appears)                    $ 4.80
                294 (Kraven appears)                    $ 4.80
                306 (Todd McFarlane)                    $ 6.00
                312 (Hobgoblin vs Green Goblin)         $10.80
                315 (Venom appears)                     $ 9.00
		320 (Todd McFarlane art)		$ 4.20
		321 (Todd McFarlane art)		$ 4.20
                323 (Silver Sable, Paladin, C. America) $ 4.20
		324 (Sabretooth appears)		$ 7.20
                325 (Red Skull, Captain America)        $ 4.20
                328 (Hulk appears, last McFarlane)      $ 4.40
                330 (Punisher appears)                  $ 2.40
                331 (Punisher appears)                  $ 2.40
                337 (Hobgoblin appears)                 $ 2.10
		338					$ 1.40
		342					$ 1.40
		343					$ 1.40
                344 (Intro Cletus Kassady - Carnage)    $ 4.20
		346 (Venom appears)			$ 4.20
		347 (Venom appears)			$ 4.20
		348					$ 1.20
		349					$ 1.20
		350 (52 pages)				$ 1.80
		351					$ 1.20
		352					$ 1.20
		353					$ 1.20
		354					$ 1.20
		355 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.20
		356 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.20
		357 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.20
		358 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.20
		365 (1st App Spider-Man 2099, Holo-c)	$ 3.60
        Annual 24                                       $ 2.10
        Annual 25 (1st solo Venom story)                $ 4.20
        Annual 26 (New Warriors, Venom)                 $ 3.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton)	$ 9.00
		     9 					$ 2.50
		     10					$ 2.50
Avengers 272 (Alpha Flight appears)			$ 1.00
	 300 (68 Pages, new team)			$ 1.50
	 306						$ 1.00
	 324 (Alpha Flight appears)			$ 1.00
	 329 (New team)					$ 1.00
	 Annual 15					$ 2.10
	 Annual 18					$ 1.80
	 Annual 19					$ 1.50
Batman Legends of the Dark Knight 1 (blue cover)        $ 3.30
				  3 			$ 1.30
Batman Shadow of the Bat 1 (still in polybag)           $ 5.00
Batman Versus Predator 1 (Prestige edition, Predator)	$ 4.20
		       1 (Prestige edition, Batman)	$ 4.20
Batman Year One (trade paperback, 1st printing)         $ 8.40
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster)	$ 7.00
	  3						$ 2.50
	  4						$ 2.50
	  5						$ 2.50
Daredevil 131 (Origin Bullseye)                         $16.00
          138 (Ghost Rider, Death's Head early app)     $11.00
          158 (Frank Miller art begins)                 $40.00
          159 (Deathstalker appears, Frank Miller art)  $20.00
          169 (Elektra 2nd appearance, Bullseye)        $ 4.50
          170 (Bullseye, Kingpin appear)                $ 3.00
          182 (Punnisher appears, Frank Miller art)     $ 6.60
          183 (Punnisher appears, Frank Miller art)     $ 6.60
          184 (Punnisher appears, Frank Miller art)     $ 6.60
          196 (Wolverine appears)                       $ 7.20
Darkhawk 2 (Spider-Man and Hobgoblin appear)            $ 6.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing)	$ 7.20
		    5 (Concrete appears)		$ 2.40
		    25 					$ 1.80
		    32 (Annual)				$ 2.40
		    37 					$ 1.20
		    42 (Aliens appear)			$ 3.00
Dazzler 1 (X-Men appear)				$ 1.20
	40						$ 1.00
	41						$ 1.00
	42 (Beast appears)				$ 1.00
Deathlok 1                                              $ 2.40
Deathstroke the Terminator 1 (1st printing)             $ 4.80
                           2                            $ 3.00
Defenders 125 (Intro New Defenders)                     $ 1.80
	  152 (Double size, X-Factor appears)		$ 2.00
Demon 13 (Lobo appears)					$ 1.00
      14 (Lobo appears)					$ 1.00
      15 (Lobo appears)					$ 1.00
Eternal Warrior 1 (Miller cover)			$11.00
		2 					$ 7.00
		9					$ 2.50
		10					$ 2.50
		11					$ 2.50
Fantastic Four 112 (Hulk vs. The Thing)                 $25.00
	       337 (Simonson art begins)		$ 1.00
	       338 (Simonson art)			$ 1.00
	       339 (Simonsom art)			$ 1.00
	       344 (Simonson art)			$ 1.00
	       345 (Simonson art)			$ 1.00
               347 (Art Adams cover art, Wolverine)     $ 3.00
               348 (Ghost Rider/Wolverine appear)       $ 1.80
               349 (Ghost Rider/Wolverine appear)       $ 1.80
               350 (52 pages)                           $ 1.50
	       351 					$ 1.00
	       352 (Simonson art)			$ 1.00
	       353 (Simonson art)			$ 1.00
	       354 (Simonson art)			$ 1.00
	       355 					$ 1.00
	       356 (Fantastic Four vs New Warriors)	$ 1.00
               358 (80 page 30th anniversary issue)     $ 2.00
	       359					$ 1.00
	       360					$ 1.00
	       361					$ 1.00
	       362					$ 1.00
	       Annual 24				$ 1.20
Flash 27						$ 1.00
      28						$ 1.00
      48						$ 1.00
      50						$ 1.00
      53 (Superman/Flash race)				$ 1.00
Ghost Rider 1 (May 1990, Origin, Double Size)		$15.00
	    15 (Glow in the dark cover, 1st print)	$ 5.40
	    16 (Spider-man/Hobgoblin cover and story)   $ 2.10
            17 (Spider-man/Hobgoblin cover and story)   $ 2.10
Ghost Rider and Cable 1	(Sam Keith cover)		$ 4.00
Ghost Rider and Captain America: Fear			$ 5.00
Guardians of the Galaxy 25 (Prism foil cover)           $ 2.50
Harbinger 10 (1st Appearance H.A.R.D. Corps)		$ 7.00
	  16						$ 3.00
	  17						$ 2.50
	  18						$ 2.50
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 					$ 5.00
	       6 					$ 2.50
	       7					$ 2.50
Havok and Wolvreine: Meltdown 1				$ 3.00
Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962)	$ 6.00
                327                                     $ 1.20
		330 (1st McFarlane issue)		$15.00
		331 (Grey Hulk series begins)		$ 9.60
                376 (Keown art, Grey vs Green Hulk)     $ 3.60
                377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $12.00
                385 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.40
                388 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.40
                389 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.40
                390 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.40
		392 (Keown c/a)				$ 2.40
		393 (Green foil stamped cover, Keown)	$ 4.80
Infinity Gauntlet 1 (Perez painted cover. Thanos)       $ 6.00
                  2 (Thanos)                            $ 3.60
                  3 (Thanos)                            $ 2.40
Justice League America 46				$ 1.00
		       47				$ 1.00
		       50				$ 1.00
		       52				$ 1.00
Justice League Quarterly 1				$ 2.10
Justice Society of America 1  (April 1991)		$ 1.00
Kamandi 1 (Origin Kamandi, Kirby art)                   $25.00
        2 (Kirby art)                                   $15.00
        3 (Kirby art)                                   $ 9.00
        7 (Kirby art)                                   $ 5.00
Last Generation 1                                       $ 2.10
Magnus Robot Fighter 21 (New direction & logo begins)	$ 5.00
		     23					$ 3.00
		     24					$ 2.50
Marc Spector Moon Knight 25 (Ghost Rider appears)	$ 2.10
Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer)     $ 6.00
		       2 (Wolverine, Master of KungFu)	$ 3.00
		       3 (Wolverine, Master of KungFu)	$ 3.00
		       4 (Wolverine, Master of KungFu)	$ 3.00
		       5 (Wolverine, Daredevil)		$ 3.00
		       6 (Wolverine, Hulk)		$ 2.40
		       7 (Wolverine, Submariner)	$ 2.40
		       10 (Wolverine, Man-Thing)	$ 2.40
		       11 (Man-Thing, Ant-Man)		$ 1.20
		       12 (Man-Thing, Colossus)		$ 1.20
		       13 (Black Panther, Shanna)	$ 1.20
                       14 (Black Panther, Nomad)        $ 1.20
		       17 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.20
		       18 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.20
		       19 (Rob Liefeld art, Cyclops)	$ 1.20
		       20 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.20
		       21 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.20
		       22 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.20
                       25 (Nth Man, Havok, Blk Panther) $ 1.20
		       26 (Black Panther, Havok, Hulk)	$ 1.20
		       27 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.20
		       28 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.20
		       29 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.20
		       30 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.20
		       31 (Erik Larsen, Excalibur)	$ 1.20
		       42 (Wolverine)			$ 1.80
                       52 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine)      $ 1.80
                       60 (Wolverine, Hulk)             $ 3.60
                       62 (Jackson Guice, Deathlok)     $ 4.80
                       63 (Poison, Thor, Scarlet Witch) $ 2.40
                       64 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 2.70
                       65 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 2.70
                       66 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 2.70
                       67 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 2.70
                       72 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)         $ 4.80
		       73 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 2.40
		       75 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 1.80
		       76 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 1.80
                       77 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X,Dracula) $ 1.80
		       80 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 1.80
		       81 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 1.50
                       82 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)         $ 1.50
                       83 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)         $ 1.50
                       84 (B.W. Smith, Weapon X)        $ 1.50
                       85 (1st Keith art and Jae Lee)   $ 3.60
		       88 (Keith, Wolverine, Beast)	$ 2.40
		       97 (Ghost Rider, Cable)		$ 1.20
		       104 (Wolverine, Ghost Rider)	$ 1.00
                       106 (Wolverine, Ghost Rider)     $ 1.00
Maxx 1 (Sam Keith)                                      $ 3.00
Metropol 1 (Ted McKeever)                               $ 3.00
Mighty Mouse 2						$ 1.00
	     4						$ 1.00
	     5						$ 1.00
	     6						$ 1.00
	     10						$ 1.00
Moon Knight 1 (1980)					$ 2.60
'Nam 6                                                  $ 1.50
     7                                                  $ 1.50
     52 (Frank Castle (Punisher))                       $ 2.70
New Mutants 18 (Intro new Warlock, Magus)               $ 5.40
            88 (Rob Liefeld, 2nd Cable)                 $12.00
            89 (Rob Liefeld, 3rd Cable)                 $ 9.00
            90 (Rob Liefeld, Sabretooth appears)        $ 7.20
            91 (Rob Liefeld, Sabretooth appears)        $ 7.20
            93 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine vs Cable)        $ 9.00
            94 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine vs Cable)        $ 9.00
            98 (1st app Deadpool, Gideon, Domino)       $ 7.20
            100 (1st app X-Force)                       $ 5.40
	    Annual 4 (Evolutionary War)			$ 1.80
	    Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants)	$10.80
	    Annual 6					$ 1.20
            Annual 7 (2nd app X-Force)                  $ 7.20
	    Summer Special 1 (Art Adams art)		$ 1.80
Olympians 1 (McFarlane)                                 $ 2.40
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo)                       $ 6.00
          10 (1st full Lobo story)                      $ 6.00
          Annual 1                                      $ 1.00
                 2                                      $ 1.00
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth)    $25.00
                      84 (4th appearance Sabretooth)    $20.00
Power Pack 27 (Wolverine and Sabretooth appear)         $ 6.00
Predator: Big Game 3 (Contains trading cards)           $ 1.80
Punisher 9 (Wilce Portacio)                             $ 6.60
Punisher and Captain America: Blood and Glory 1		$ 5.00
					      2 	$ 5.00
					      3		$ 5.00
Punisher P.O.V 1 (Starlin script, Wrightson art)        $ 5.00
               2 (Starlin script, Wrightson art)        $ 5.00
               3 (Starlin script, Wrightson art)        $ 5.00
Punisher War Journal 16 (Jim Lee art)			$ 3.00
                     29 (Ghost Rider appears)           $ 1.50
                     30 (Ghost Rider appears)           $ 1.50
                     31                                 $ 1.10
                     32                                 $ 1.10
                     35                                 $ 1.10
                     36                                 $ 1.10
                     38                                 $ 1.10
                     39                                 $ 1.10
                     40                                 $ 1.10
Punisher War Zone 1 (Die-cut cover)                     $ 2.50
                  2                                     $ 1.50
Ragman 1 (Pat Broderick, Origin Ragman)                 $ 3.00
Rocketeer Special Edition (Dave Stevens art, 1984)	$ 6.00
Shadowman 13						$ 2.50
	  14						$ 2.50
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.)	$ 7.50
Solar Man of the Atom 18				$ 3.00
		      19				$ 2.75
		      20				$ 2.75
		      21				$ 2.50
		      22				$ 2.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 81 (Punisher appears)            $ 8.40
                       93 (Answer appears)              $ 1.80
                       94 (Cloak and Dagger appear)     $ 1.80
                       95 (Cloak and Dagger appear)     $ 1.80
                       99 (Spot appears)                $ 1.80
                       116 (Sabretooth appears)         $ 3.00
                       117 (Sabretooth appears)         $ 3.00
                       119 (Sabretooth appears)         $ 3.00
                       124 (Dr. Octopus appears)        $ 1.50
                       130 (Hobgoblin appears)          $ 2.40
                       131 (Kraven appears)             $ 3.60
                       132 (Kraven appears)             $ 3.00
                       140 (Punisher appears)           $ 1.80
                       142 (Punisher appears)           $ 3.00
                       143 (Punisher appears)           $ 3.00
                       147 (1st app New Hobgoblin)      $12.00
                       152 (Origin Lobo Bros, Punisher) $ 1.20
		       157				$ 1.20
		       158 (Spider-Man gets new powers)	$ 7.20
		       159 (Cosmic Spider-Man appears)	$ 4.80
		       160				$ 1.00
                       189 (1st ed Hologram, Hobgoblin) $ 4.80
                       Annual 10 (McFarlane story)      $ 1.50
Spider-Man 1 (Gold edition, direct sale)                $ 3.00
           1 (Regular edition, green, unbagged)         $ 3.00
           5 (Lizard, Calypso appear, McFarlane)        $ 2.40
           6 (Hobgoblin, Ghost Rider appear)            $ 3.60
           7 (Hobgoblin, Ghost Rider appear)            $ 3.60
           13 (Black costume returns)                   $ 3.00
           14 (Black costume, Morbius appear)           $ 2.00
           18 (Sinister Six, Hulk appear)               $ 2.00
           19 (Hulk, Deathlok appear)                   $ 2.00
	   20 						$ 2.00
	   26 (Origin retold, hologram cover)		$ 3.00
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini)     $ 6.00
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics)   $ 5.40
                              2                         $ 3.60
Strange Adventures (dozens, but in varying high grades) ASK
Swamp Thing 72                                          $ 1.00
            73 (John Constantine appears)               $ 1.00
            Annual 3                                    $ 1.20
Tales of the Teen Titans 44 (Deathstroke app/orogin)    $ 4.80
Terminator 1 (Dark Horse)                               $ 3.60
Terminator: Secondary Objectives 1                      $ 1.80
Terminator 2 Judgement Day 1                            $ 1.00
Thor 374 (Mutant Massacre, X-Factor, Sabretooth app)    $ 4.80
     429 (Ghost Rider appears)				$ 1.80
     430 (Ghost Rider appears)				$ 1.80
Warlock and the Infinity Watch 2 (Starlin scripts)	$ 2.40
			       3			$ 1.50
                               4                        $ 1.40
			       5 			$ 1.40
			       6			$ 1.40
                               7                        $ 1.10
                               8                        $ 1.10
                               9 (Gamora vs Thanos)     $ 1.10
Web of Spider-Man 2					$ 4.20
		  3					$ 4.20
		  4					$ 3.00
		  5					$ 3.00
		  8 (Thunder appears)                   $ 2.70
                  16 (Magma appears)                    $ 2.00
                  18                                    $ 2.00
                  20                                    $ 2.00
                  21                                    $ 2.00
                  30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears)   $ 7.20
		  47 (Hobgoblin appears)		$ 1.00
		  52					$ 1.00
		  66 (Green Goblin as super-hero)	$ 1.20
		  67 (Green Goblin as super-hero)	$ 1.20
		  68 					$ 1.00
		  71 					$ 1.00
		  72 					$ 1.00
		  73					$ 1.00
		  74					$ 1.00
		  75					$ 1.00
		  76					$ 1.00
		  77					$ 1.00
		  78					$ 1.00
		  79					$ 1.00
		  80					$ 1.00
		  81					$ 1.00
		  82					$ 1.00
		  83					$ 1.00
		  84 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
		  85 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
		  86 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
		  87 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
		  90 (Hologram cover, polybagged)	$ 3.60
		  91					$ 1.00
		  Annual 3				$ 1.75
Werewolf by Night 33 (2nd appearance Moon Knight)       $20.00
                  37 (Moon Knight appears)              $ 5.00
Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth)	$14.40
	  41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad)	$ 6.00
	  42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad)	$ 3.00
	  43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes)	$ 2.40
Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art)		$18.00
Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man)                 $13.00
             Annual 1                                   $ 1.75
                    2                                   $ 1.75
X-Factor 47                                             $ 1.00
         51 (Sabretooth appears)                        $ 3.00
         52 (Sabretooth appears)                        $ 3.00
         53 (Sabretooth appears)                        $ 3.00
	 57 						$ 1.00
	 62 (X-Tinction Agenda, Jim Lee cover)		$ 3.60
	 63 (Whilce Portacio art begins)		$ 3.60
         69 (Whilce Portacio art)                       $ 1.20
         70 (Last "Old Team" issue)                     $ 1.20
         Annual 6 (New Warriors, X-Force appear)        $ 1.30
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card)     $25.00
        1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $15.00
        1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card)    $15.00
        1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon)   $15.00
        1 (Bagged, Cable card)                          $ 3.60
X-O Manowar 13						$ 3.00
            15						$ 3.00
	    16						$ 3.00

All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards.  Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff.  I am willing to haggle.

I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help.  Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.

I am willing to trade for other comics, computer equipment, video
equipment, audio equipment, etc...  Let me know what you want to trade!


Yes.  Here's what you should do.

Keep the vertices in an array, and have the polygons (triangles are okay,
but n-sided polygons are slightly more efficient) store the indices into
the array of the vertices that comprise them.  You set a flag for each
vertex when you transform it, so you don't have to transform any vertex
more than once; you also do backface elimination before processing the
polygon, so that vertices that belong only to bacfacing polys don't have
to be transformed at all.

Whenever you transform a vertex, check if it's on the far side of the hither
plane; if it is, you can project it right away and store the result.

Then do your Z clip; any vertices that get produced will have to have their
projection done at that stage.


netnews.upenn.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.se
ervice.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!btree!terry
	Will they name Lindros captain next year or Recchi.
Geoff


Nikkor 70-210 AF for immediate sale. Excellent condition.


(Ali's letter deleted for brevity)

Roger,
Your responses might just exclude you from sharing your opinions,
then.  You see, the same rights Ali has to mail her letter to the NHL
are the same ones that let you post replies that mow her down like
wheat at harvest-time.  She never said she represented the entire
internet or the entire group rec.sport.hockey.  She has every right to
state her opinion along with those of the fifty or sixty or
hundred-odd folk who've agreed to allow her to list their names on the
bottom of it.  You may not agree with it.  Fine.  I really don't care
enough about the name change to care.  Your name isn't attached to it,
so why moan and complain?  If you felt her words were leading, well,
you're free to feel that way and take exception, but manners never
hurt.  I personally disagree and feel her generalizations were fine
(I have the right to think and say that, too).  Ali's under no
compunction to change a single word.  Now, while you're free to
disagree with every word she wrote, to tear apart her character is
uncalled for.  I'm posting this as a form of public reprimand.  If you
tear down Ali's integrity and character publicly, you'll get chastised
publicly in return.  Would it have been so hard to say, "Ali, please
be a bit more specific in your description, the way I've read it
indicates you're stating my view also, and that's simply not true.
I'd really like to see a disclaimer noting that you don't mean the
entire internet or the entire r.s.h. group attached to it, despite
your intent to list names at the bottom.  Thanks.  Cordially as
always," &c.  Calling her a moron and an asshole just reduces the
weight of your words and the opinions of their author in the eyes of
myself, and possibly others.

Oh, and Ali, nice to see someone standing up for something, even if
it's not something I personally advocate.  :-)


Original to: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM
G'day wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM

20 Apr 93 18:17, wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM wrote to All:

 wAC> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson), via Kralizec 3:713/602

 wAC> The Apollo program cost something like $25 billion at a time when
 wAC> the value of a dollar was worth more than it is now. No one would
 wAC> take the offer.

If we assume 6% inflation since 1969, that $25B would be worth about $100B
GD reckon a moon mission today could cost only $10B. Thats a factor of ten
reduction in cost. It might be possible to reduce that number futher by
using a few shortcuts ( Russian rockets?).   Asuming it gets built, I think
the Delta Clipper could very well achive the goal.

ta

Ralph


I heard yesterday that Pocklington was talking with folks at Copps
that afternoon (yesterday).


what does that make me for showing up with an old interceptor with worse
brakes and handling (due to bent frame) than a VMAX?  and i didn't even...
uh....  well, i was more than semi-coherent when the ambulance....  uh....

nevermind.

axel


I recently got a document describing the JPEG FIF (JFIF) file
format. I was looking thru it, but I didn't get the idea how
to determine the size of a pic in pixel without decoding the
whole image.

How do you get the height and width of a JPEG in a JFIF?

How do you determine wether it is a color or a greyscale
picture?

I wrote a small tool (lsgif) for GIF that returns the
filesize, picture size and color resolution by analizing
the header chunks. The output looks like this:

  157605  bla.gif                                  640x 480  248C24

I use this lsgif to create index files of my archive and since
JPEG are getting more and more popular I would like to have a
similar tool for JFIF, with an output like this:

   57605  bla.jpg                                  640x 480     C24

Please respond by email, because I don't read this news
group very often. I'll post a summary if it is useful.

Thanx in advance,
								Larry


You should post his/her email request, with proper attributes, of course, to
the newsgroup.  The request then becomes a matter of rec.moto public record
and warrants the ceremonial gang-FAQing.

Glad to help,
Ride safe,
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


As David Veal points out, this sort of "promotion" would be used
against gun owners by the mass media.

However, here is my proposal: offer gun safety classes in your area,
free, as a community service.  Such a class would normally cost $40
or $50, so offering it free is a good promotion.

Our Gun Club has organized several of these (we just finished
teaching another one last night, in fact) and they have been
very well received.  We get a lot of people who are novices
interested in guns.  We even get a few who are anti-gun, but
feel they should know something about "gun safety" since members
of their family keep guns at home.

Teaching such a course gives us many desirable benefits:

(1) We have the chance to teach gun safety rules; this increases
    firearm awareness and may help to reduce gun accident stats.

(2) A "gun safety" class is Politically Correct, and likely to
    be viewed positively by the public and the media.

(3) Most of the students are 'normal people' (not gun enthusiasts)
    and this kind of class gives us the chance to give them a
    gentle introduction to firearms.

(4) Some of the students are enthusiastic, and will purchase a gun
    and become more involved in shooting or personal defense.

(5) It improves the public perception of our club and gun owners
    in general.  Our students see that we are all reasonable,
    non-aggressive, soft-spoken people, which helps to mitigate
    the standard image of a hardcore gun owner.  Even anti-gun
    students sometimes tell us they have "something new to think
    about" with regards to personal gun ownership.

(6) Sharing our experience with others is a lot of fun.

Our course is the standard NRA-certified "Home Firearm Safety"
class, and our students pay only $5 for materials.  We also
teach the NRA's "Personal Protection" class, although the cost
is higher for that one since we have to purchase range time.

I think firearms safety classes are an excellent response to
gun buy-backs.


I have the following games for sale/trade. Make an offer.

Trouble Shooter
Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?

--
brian
oplinger@ra.crd.ge.com


Hi

I am looking for an algorithm or pointers to any papers on how to convert
Quadratic Splines to Cubic Splines or Beizeirs. If source is available
in the public domain, please let me know.

Thanks very much

-ks


!: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
!: doing this.  I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
!: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms.  I just think making 5
!: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
!: a week per group.  I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
!: for discussing all aspects of graphics.  Anyone else feel this way?
!: Just curious.
!
!Yes. I also like knowing where to go to ask a question without getting
!hell for putting it in the wrong newsgroup.

I am also against splitting the group. The traffic will decrease
on any given subject but the required net bandwidth will INCREASE
because of multiply cross-postings.

I just went through this with another group I continuously read.
It is now almost at the point where it is no longer worth reading.

Strongly suggest NOT doing this.


:Hello,
:I heard that a certain disease (toxoplasmosys?) is transmitted by cats which
:can harm the unborn fetus. Does anybody know about it? Is it a problem to
:have a cat in the same apartment?
:

Having the cat around is not a problem, but the pregnant woman should not
change the litter box.  Toxoplasmosis can be transmitted from the stool of
some cats.


	This will not, of course, deter the several die-hard Koreshies on
this net, who will probably claim that the Tarrant County medical examiner
(Dr. Peerwani) was coerced by the FBI into faking this evidence.  Either that,
or they'll claim the FBI shot them.
	The rest of us might contemplate the difficulty of determining the
cause of death from a corpse that has been reduced to a Krispy Kritter.
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I like to know how effective ProHibit is to prevent spiral meningitis
for a child who is five years old.  I heard it's from Canada.
What sort of side effects , etc.


All gimmicks!  Stick with plain 'ol carnauba wax that's non-abrasive.
Eagle 1, Meguiars, Turtle Wax, and a few others are good examples.
The colored waxes just color in the scratches so they're not so
apparent.  The better approach is to buff minor scratches completely
off with a cleaner/mild abrasive.

Never tried Liquid Glass, although I still have this sample they sent
me a few years back.


This definately gets the car going, but... WD-40 is highly flammable. Explosive
even in the right conditions, like a vapour sealed inside a distributor for
eg. And contact points tend to arc a tiny bit :)


Then by your logic, the Jews in Europe in the 1930's were the cause for
the Holocaust.  Hitler told them to leave and because they didn't they
brought the whole thing on themselves.  Because as you say, they could
have COME OUT of Germany.

Same for the Jews in Europe 1930's.

You don't see any evidence of the abuse -- therefore it must be taking place?
As you point out everwhere but here, it is irrelevant to this case.  The
ATF is not in charge of investigating child abuse.

In obvious contradiction to the statements made by the F. B. I.

And just what are those actions that you are judging them by?
Their refusal to let the government control their lives? Their refusal
to submit to unconstitutional laws?  Their refusal to behave like
cowards?  Some of Texas' heros could have taken the cowardly way
out too and surrendered the Alamo.  After all, all they had to do was
COME OUT.  They stayed as you say by their "OWN CHOICE".  Problem
is not everyone chooses to act like a groveling dog in the face of
insurmountable odds.  But as you point out, they certainly do have
that right.

Bull.  They did, in fact, live a quiet, religious life -- as they claimed.
The warrant was not issued because they "stockpiled weapons".  It is
not against the law to own as many guns as you want -- yet (Except in
Virginia).The warrant was issued for some "gun parts" that are about the size
of a half-dollar.  Certainly worth the lives of so many people, don't you
think?

You can forget that WE business.  I certainly do blame them.


Price reduced: asking $165 only!


I thought I'd share a good experience, too.  I bought the APS Quantum 240 zero
footprint drive in May '92 (back when they still used two separate LEDs on the
front panel and the case was metal).  While traveling with it (it was in my
SE/30 Mac bag, on top of the Mac) this past winter, one of the plastic tabs
holding the front panel on broke, so that the right side of the front panel
was coming forward away from the rest of the drive.  I lived with this situation
until it became completely intolerable (which more or less coincided with a
network shutdown at school and a trip out of town I had to take, which gave me
some dead time during which to have the drive sent out).

I called APS for an RMA # and got one, with no questions asked about how the
tab got broken (it was handled a little roughly by airline baggage handlers --
though nothing else was damaged [well, except for the internal speaker in my
modem, which wasn't that well glued down to begin with] -- yeah, yeah, I'm
never flying with my SE/30 again).  And when I called back to ask whether I
could send it in a little later rather than right away, they had no problem
with that -- even when I exceeded the normal valid period for an RMA # by a
day (they're usually good for 10 days).  The front panel was replaced under
warranty, and the drive was shipped back quickly (I mailed it first class
insured on a Saturday by noon from L.A. to Missouri, and it came back by Fed
Ex by Friday [I don't know exactly what day it came back because I was
traveling that week from Wednesday afternoon to Sunday afternoon]).

The only thing that could've been bad was that the first service rep I talked
to, in an attempt to prevent jeopardizing my data, suggested that I take the
drive mechanism out and send just the case.  Unfortunately, I discovered the
day I was mailing the thing, that would necessitate breaking the little
seal and thus voiding the warranty!  Oh, well.


+>1.  There is no such thing as non-toxic tear gas.  Tear gas is non-breathable
+>    remaining in it's presence will cause nausea and vomiting, followed eventually
+>    by siezures and death.  Did the FBI know the physical health of all the people
+>    they exposed??  Any potential heart problems among the B-D's??

	They certainly knew that there were pregnant women in there plus
children.  I could not believe when they said that the gassing was
an attempt to "save the children" yesterday.  I can't think of a much
worse sort of child abuse that pouring tear gas into a building.

+>2.  Have you ever seen a tear gas canister??  Tear gas is produced by burning a
+>    chemical in the can.  The fumes produced are tear gas.  The canister has a
+>    warning printed on the side of it.  "Contact with flamable material can result
+>    in fire."  Now, how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building
+>    they admited was a fire-trap??

	I have heard two things recently explaining this:

	1. They pumped the gas into the building from outside via some
	sort of pipe rather than by canister.

	2. The sort of tear gas they are using was described as some
	sort of powdery material that sticks to things.  Kind of
	like a powder cloud.

	And once again, these are government lacky explainations and
	since government stories always change, none or all of the
	information might not be true.

+>This whole thing was a case of over-reaction by the officials at every step.
+>I hope it is thoroughly investigated and the responsible parties are held
+>accountable.  But that is highly unlikely when you figure they are going to
+>be investigating themselves.


For Sale 1989 Kawasaki TS (650) Tandum seating
Color: White with Blue and Red.
Jet Ski runs great and looks good.

Ziemans Trailer with locking Utility Box.
Color: Black
Ziemans Trailer is less than a year old.

Both have been garaged kept and well maintained.
$4200.00 for both
(To be sold as a set only)


Does anyone have any experience or is familiar with the Cardinal P9000
VL-Bus graphics card?  Would appreciate knowing what you think of its
capabilities.  Thanks.


A 180 degree V   Ya gotta love it !>


I dont know about Saabs but whenever there is a 'long temr tset' in a magazine
they always say that tehy're are little annoying niggles which keep on occuring
every so often... I wouldn't expect that from such a 'quality' car.... why
doesn't anything like this ever happen on BMWs? Maybe coz they're 'quality'
cars ;-)


Don't forget Robert Blake in "Electra Glide in Blue" (where else do
you get to see a full-dress Harley playing with dirt bikes?).
And if you're going to count Smokey and the Bandit, then you darn
well better include "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure".


I'm trying to connect a Mac SE modem port to a PC 25 way serial port,
can someone provide me with a wiring diagram for a null modem lead for
this setup.

Please use Email since my news feed is a bit quirky.

Thanks in advance

Sean Gordon


There are several programs on sumex that allow Macs with superdrives to
read and write unix tar diskettes.
---
--


NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/22/93.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                  CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS        BEST OF SEVEN
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE

 NJ                  BUF   (leads 3-0)   STL   (leads 2-0)   WIN
 PIT   (leads 3-0)   BOS                 CHI                 VAN   (leads 2-0)

 NYI   (leads 2-1)   MON                 TOR                 LA    (tied  1-1)
 WAS                 QUE   (leads 2-1)   DET   (leads 2-0)   CAL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quebec Nordiques    (leads series 2-1)    1   0   0   0   -   1
Montreal Canadiens                        0   1   0   1   -   2

1st period: QUE, Sundin 1 - (Gusarov) 1:17

2nd period: MON, Muller 1 - (Damphousse, Bellows) (pp) 1:30

3rd period: NONE

1 Overtime: MON, Damphousse 1 - (Bellows, Desjardins) (pp) 10:30

Powerplay Opportunities-Nordiques 0 of 4
			Canadiens 2 of 6

Shots on Goal-	Nordiques  12   4  14   5  -  35
		Canadiens  11  14  13  12  -  50

Quebec Nordiques--Hextall (2-1) (50 shots - 48 saves)
Montreal Canadiens--Roy (1-2) (35 shots - 34 saves)

ATT-17,679

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pittsburgh Penguins  (leads series 3-0)   1   0   3   -   4
New Jersey Devils                         1   1   1   -   3

1st period: NJD, Guerin 1 - 1:03
	    PIT, McEachern 3 - (Straka) 9:36

2nd period: NJD, Holik 1 - (S.Stevens) 16:32

3rd period: PIT, M.Lemieux 4 - (Murphy, Ramsey) 1:07
	    PIT, Taglianetti 1 - (Loney, Tippett) 7:05
	    PIT, Murphy 1 - (Francis, Tocchet) (pp) 9:31
	    NJD, Semak 1 - (Zelepukin) 9:44

Powerplay Opportunities-Penguins 1 of 4
			Devils   0 of 5

Shots on Goal-	Penguins   7  16  12  -  35
		Devils    16  11   5  -  32

Pittsburgh Penguins--Barrasso (3-0) (32 shots - 29 saves)
New Jersey Devils--Billington (0-1) (35 shots - 31 saves)

ATT-14,974

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Boston Bruins                        1   0   2   0   -   3
Buffalo Sabres  (leads series 3-0)   2   0   1   1   -   4

1st period: BUF, Mogilny 4 - (LaFontaine, Hawerchuk) (pp) 1:33
	    BUF, Khmylev 1 - (Smehlik, Hannan) 4:42
	    BOS, Bourque 1 - (Oates, Donato) (pp) 17;33

2nd period: NONE

3rd period: BOS, Smolinski 1 - (Oates) 13:28
	    BUF, B.Sweeney 2 - (Khmylev, Carney) 14:56
	    BOS, Neely 3 - (Oates, Shaw) 15:57

1 Overtime: BUF, Khmylev 2 - (Hawerchuk, LaFontaine) (pp) 1:05

Powerplay Opportunities-Bruins 1 of 5
			Sabres 2 of 7

Shots on Goal-	Bruins  11   8  15   0  -  34
		Sabres  12  11   8   3  -  34

Boston Bruins--Blue (0-1) (34 shots - 30 saves)
Buffalo Sabres--Fuhr (3-0) (34 shots - 31 saves)

ATT-16,325

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Washington Capitals                       1   1   1   0   -   3
New York Islanders   (leads series 2-1)   1   0   2   1   -   4

1st period: NYI, Thomas 1 - 16:37
	    WAS, Burridge 1 - (May, Cavallini) 18:58

2nd period: WAS, Carpenter 1 - (Ridley, Bondra) 6:18

3rd period: WAS, Elynuik 1 - (Carpenter, Ridley) 6:15
	    NYI, Thomas 2 - (Turgeon, King) 11:11
	    NYI, Turgeon 3 - (Thomas, Hogue) 19:17

1 Overtime: NYI, Ferraro 3 - (Hogue, Flatley) 4:46

Powerplay Opportunities-Capitals  0 of 2
			Islanders 0 of 4

Shots on Goal-	Capitals   10   8   6   1  -  25
		Islanders  10   6   8   6  -  30

Washington Capitals--Tabaracci (1-2) (25 shots - 21 saves)
New York Islanders--Healy (2-1) (30 shots - 27 saves)

ATT-14,180

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Qualcomm had spare cycles in the DSPs for their new CDMA digital
cellular phones. They wanted to put strong crypto into them since they
had the capacity. The government decided to "discourage" them.

Really, none of this stuff is especially hard. All you need for a true
private phone is an ISDN codec, a vocoder (either a chip or
software), an encryptor (a chip is fine, but software is more than
fast enough), a V.32 or V.32bis modem module, and maybe a
microcontroller to run the whole thing. Its easy to do, its cheap. And
any "normal" company trying to put one out will likely get a visit
from the boys in the dark suits from Washington, just like Qualcomm
did. I suspect that companies like Cylink are tolerated because their
products are too expensive.

However, no law yet stops one from building really private phones, in
spite of the hints the administration has made when discussing the new
"crime bill" and in connection with the Clipper/Skipjack Big Brother
chip. Someone out there WILL build a unit to do all this. Better yet,
prehaps someone will produce a package that turns any 486 box with a
sound card into a secure phone.

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com


I remember a post from last year indicating that a "pitch clock" was tried
in one of the minor leagues some time back and did not work.  I don't remember
why they said that it did not work.  Anyone remember this?

Jody McDonnel on WIP in Phil. has been saying that a pitch clock was
inevitable.  How would a pitch clock work on throws to first?

Another pair of suggestions:
1. Remove the Balk rule.  It is the runners responsibility to stay "safe"
   no matter what the pitcher does.

2. If a pitcher throws to an occupied base more than X time (X = 3 to 5)
   without successfully picking off the runner, the runner advances a base
   as if walked.

The no-balk seems to give the pitcher the advantage.  The base-walk allows
the runner to "challenge" pitcher to throw over to the base.

I too, find myself surfing when I know that it will be enough time between
each pitch to allow the batter to adjust his "jewlery".