# #    A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough
# #    examination of American men's sexual practices published since
# #    the Kinsey report more than four decades ago,
#
# Right off the bat this information is flawed.  "Most throrough"?  I'm
# sorry, but Masters & Johnson put out a report within the past few
# years.  The Kinsey Institute has been quite active since it was
# founded oh-so-many years ago.  They, too, recently put out a new
# report on sexuality.

I was quoting a news story.  I have no idea why they claim this was
the most "through examination."

# #    shows about 2
# #    percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and
# #    1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
#
# I hate to be picky, but let's do the math.  If we take the cities of
# New York City and Los Angeles alone, we can find approximately 3.5
# million gay people...making about 1.75 million gay men.

WHAT?  Even in San Francisco, the Dept. of Public Health estimates
that only 11% of the male population is gay.  What you are claiming
is that of the 16 million people in the NYC and LA areas, that more
than 10% are gay.  What is the source of your numbers?  Keep in
mind that attempts by CDC to determine homosexual percentage in
American cities have given numbers <3%.

# 1% of the American male population is about 1.25 million.
#
# So what this study says is that all gay males live in New York City or
# Los Angeles, and about half-a-million people are lying about being gay.
#
# Something smells funny....

Yes, your 1.75 million number smells funny.

# Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!


ites:
I realized that my generalizations would probably have problems
under scrutiny from various  Asian points of view.  They need to be
discussed in detail, indeed. But for the purposes of this newsgroup
and thread  thus far and in this newsgroup, I risked oversimpli-
fication.  My main purpose was to emphasize that I was not coming
from a Buddhist or Hindu point of view.  As you observed, the
main context is that of Christianity.  But by all means, add comments
and corrections as you find them.

I wrote a longer reply addressing some of your points, but decided
to not post it. Perhaps it would be more appropriate for soc.religion.
eastern. Instead I just add the following couple of items about karma
and reincarnation as I see the matter from an anthroposophical and
a Christian point of view.

1. Karma is not simple reward and punishment dealt out by a "judging
   deity".

2. Reincarnation is not the same as being born again.

3. Reincarnation is not the same as the resurrection of the body.

4. Reincarnation and karma do not contradict the fundamental teachings
   of Christianity about God, the fall, the being. incarnation, death,
   and resurrection of Christ, his coming again, sin, grace, forgiveness,
   salvation, and the last judgement.

Origen's work was mostly lost. He was not anathematized, to my knowledge,
but his writing comes down largely in fragments and quotations from enemies.
Perhaps someone else can comment on Origen.  I don't know if there
is a specific statement about reincarnation from him, but from what I do
know about him he probably did hold to the teaching in one form or another.

I don't know too much about the history of the idea of reincarnation in
the Church. However, I heard an interesting story about Pope John Paul II
from an astronomer who teaches at the University of Cracow.  The Pope likes
to go to Poland for a scientific conference every couple of years so he
can relax and talk Polish to friends and fellow countrymen.  My acquaintance,
an anthroposophist, related the fact that Woitila knew about Steiner and
Anthroposophy from his early days.  Before he became a priest he was an
actor in a dramatic company in Cracow whose leader was a pupil of Steiner
and based his acting and directing methods on Steiner's indications.  Part
of the work was the study of the basic works of anthroposophy.  Well,
going to this conference with him a few years ago, the astronomer and another
Polish anthroposophist thought they would ask the Pope what he thought about
Anthroposophy.  They chickened out at the last minute, but one of them did ask
him what he thought about reincarnation.  The Pope smiled and said,
"Actually there have been quite a few good Catholics who believed in
reincarnation," and he proceeded to name several from the earliest times
to modern times.  Then he changed the subject. My Polish friend did not
say whether Origen was among those he mentioned.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)


Same engine, different state of tune (less hp and maybe more torque). My
friend at work regularly takes 6 people in his and it seems to haul around
just fine.


I don't buy this at all.  I think things are colored to a very large
degree of preconceived notions of who the players involved are.  Try
this exercise:

XXX is pitching today.  His team scores 4 in the first inning, and 3
in the fourth.  XXX gives up 0 in the 1st through 4th.  In the fifth,
he gives up 3 runs.  In the 6th, he gives up 2 more.  The score is now
7-5, with XXX's team still on top.

I contend that if XXX were Jack Morris, the assessment would be "he is
a gutty veteran who pitches only as well as he has to to win."

If XXX were Mike Trmbley, the assessment would be "he is an
inexperienced rookie who doesn't know how to pitch.  Needs more
seasoning.  Send him to AAA.  Or to the spice rack."


Iff the phones transmit their serial nos. as part of the message then what
is to say that each phone can take that serial number and use it to generate
the required key....


See if Radio Shack has a National Semiconductor Adjustable Voltage
Regulator, (National) part number: LM350T or LM350K.  These devices are
rated for an input to output differential of up to 35 Volts @ 3 Amps.

Digi-Key Corp. has these parts, as well as several other useful regulators.
If you don't have their catalog, their phone number is: 1-800-344-4539.

I can only guess that you may intend to recharge a 7.5 VDC nicad battery
with this device, and if I'm right, you may want to look through some of the
hobbiest books to get various ideas for battery charging circuits, first.

If you get stuck, e-mail me your FAX number, if you have one, and I'll send
you some suggestions or schematics.


I'm no defender of the AEC, but it is worth noting that it is unfair to tar
that organization with the decidedly minority scientific views of its
former chairperson and one term Washington governor, Dr. Dixie Lee Ray.
Dr. Ray's political agenda is well-known and documented.  Likewise, her
lack of objectivity in analysing scientific data is well-known.

jsh


Hi! I recently got hold of an old/obsolete PC. First thing I am trying to do
with it, is making it work. Seems the switches in the back have been toggled
since last it was used, and I do not have the manual.
Can anybody help me to identify this beast, and mail me the prober switch-settings?
All I know is that is is a Bondwell 38, made in 1986, most likely a 286,
can be toggled between 4.77 and 8 mHz, and looks like no changes have been made.
Any information would be appreciated.

--
Terje Johansen at Trondheim College of Engineering, Norway.


Okay, okay.  I forgot about that.  Sheeesh.


We use it as starting fluid for jet ski's. The fact that its a lubricant
works very well since jet ski's are 2 cycle. It also helps when a ski
floods with water because we clean the spark plus with the stuff.

OB sci.electronics:

I have an office/studio in my garage with a phone in it. Our wireless phone
has a page feature where you can make the phone or hand set ring to get
the attention of the other person. Is there a simple circuit that I can use
over the second pair of wires (or the first pair) to emulate this effect
with the phone in the garage? (ie push a button to make the phone ring in the
house or push a button to make it ring in the garage.)

Thanks

Xavier


I'm in need of a videotaped copy of a pc (pd) program.  Please let me know if
you can do this.


(Re: the newsgroup -- followups set to talk.politics.mideast where this
belongs.)

This may make the term 'civil war' dubious, but it does nothing to the
phrase 'destroy the government'. An occupying government is still a govern-
ment, and the Palestinians have made it quite clear that their goal is
not simply to prevent it from occupying the territories that don't con-
fer citizenship (which is your own determination of the distinction) but
to wipe it out entirely (and, not incidentally, the entire Jewish population
it rules with it). This is an intent to 'destroy the government', no
matter where the government happens to be from.

Wasn't a requirement for democracy in Athens. For that matter, isn't
a requirement for the term democracy in the United States, which doesn't
let non-citizens vote either. Both the United States and Israel have
processes whereby it is possible to acquire citizenship, with a great
deal of effort and a modicum of screening -- it's just that it isn't
automatic for living in the territories. It isn't automatic for living
in New York, either.

That said, suit yourself. Having never considered democracy the ultimate
in Good In This World, I could care less if you feel like calling Israel,
or America, or anywhere else, a democracy. Personally, I withhold the
term from Israel for the same reason I withhold it from Britain... the
parliamentary system is a serious handicap.

Again, suit yourself. In which case Israel is *not* attacking its own
people, it is fighting a war on foreign soil, in which case the residents
are entitled to play rough, yes -- but Israel's allowed to get just as
rough, within the bare limits of the rules of war. This includes, among
other things, the right to shoot or bomb *anyone* a national of the coun-
try in question who is fighting them (which permits mass frontal assault
on all rock-throwers), along with the right to take out any installation
of military importance (certain villages with too-good fortifications can
be handled by aerial bombing, as can waterways since they count as supply
lines to the enemy), and the right to do anything whatsoever to whatever
constitutes a government that they can lay hands on (if Hamas is trying
to set up as the ruling party, let them beware).

If this is not the scenario you want, I recommend you go back to calling
it a civil war. Civil wars have to be handled nicer. You cannot say the
Palestinians are a nation fighting a resistance war against a foreign
nation and still call Israel a government who is treating its own people
cruelly. If the Palestinians are fighting a war against a foreign country,
so is Israel, and the gloves come *off*.

	-Naomi


For those of you still unsure whether this is satire, the jury is still out:

    "Also yesterday, even though the compound no longer exists, the
     US attorney's office here released formerly sealed documents,
     including a search warrant and related affidavits, that authorities
     planned to use when the siege was over.

    "These documents did not include the original warrants the Bureau of
     Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had in late February, which to this
     day have never been released.

    "...one of the documents indicated the agency planned to seek
     samples of Koresh's handwriting not only to verify that he had
     signed for some gun purchases, but also that he espoused
     'certain doctrines hostile to law enforcement and particularly
     the ATF.'"

So, one of the charges against Koresh seems to be Contempt of Cop -- he
expressed hostility to the BATF.  That chilly feeling in your gonads is
perfectly normal, folks... it should go away in about 51 days.

        The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
        ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
        abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

That should save them the trouble of subpoena-ing samples.  Heavens knows
I want to cooperate fully, meinherren.
--


I am looking for a printer utility which stay in Window 3.1 as an icon and
let you drag a file to it to issue the printing.


(1)

   You know ed,...  You're right!  Andi shouldn't be comparing
   Israel to the Nazis.  The Israelis are much worse than the
   Nazis ever were anyway.  The Nazis did a lot of good for
   Germany, and they would have succeeded if it weren't for the
   damn Jews.  The Holocaust never happened anyway.  Ample
   evidence given by George Schafer at Harvard, Dept. of History,
   and even by Randolph Higgins at NYU, have shown that the
   Holocaust was just a semitic conspiracy created to obtain
   sympathy to piush for the creation of Israel.

(2)

   Just kidding.

Be careful rj3s. When people start finding humour in the Holocaust
they often run the danger of exposing themselves for the hateful
refuse that they really are.


Serdar, I have been told that you are not real, your account is fake (which I
confirmed by trying to E-mail you) and advised not to waste my time writing to
"you".  But, I get pleasure from watching you make a fool of yourself.

So you stand by the statement that all Armenians are barbarians.  OK, I see.
Lets not even act as if there is a chance they are human.  See Serdar, when you
judge people because of their race this is called racism.  I tend to frown on
this sort of thing.  Obviously you don't.  When you label an entire race the
way you do, it is easy to stop thinking of them as human beings, and this can
make GENOCIDE possible.  But I guess (and this is where Serdar will fill the
page with quotes taken out of context) you know that, huh?
Don't you find it weak that all of Serdars enemies are
Fascist/NAZI/barbarian/_________fill in the blank with any catch all bad term.

Public knowlege?  I was not aware of that.  NOW I see, the ARMENIANS decide to
kill the Israeli athletes in 1972 as PRACTICE.  I was confused, but thanks for
clearing that up.

Wow, you are on a roll with the accusations today Serdar, so how did the
Armenians steal from the Turkish children?  Was it their lunch money?  This is
very cute how you inserted children in this fill in the blank accusation sheet
you fill out every day.  It really touches my heart.  Oh and thank you for
letting me know that Kurds and Armenians hate each other.  I was not aware of
this.  The only time I have ever talked about Kurds it was about the WONDERFUL
treatment they were recieving in Turkey.  They must have a high incedence of
insanity because there sure are a lot of them fighting against the
non-oppresive Turkish government that has let their culture flower over the
past 70 years.

Thanks for the unbiased TURKISH MEDIA SOURCE.  I am sure the Milliyet is rated
number one for accuracy and truth.

Innocent?  Is that what terrorists call their victims?  I have never heard of
terrorists calling their victims innocent.  "Yes, folks in other news the IRA
public relations department reported that it had killed 20 innocent victims in
a car bombing...  "  Nope Serdar, I don't think so.

Oops you almost forgot to fill in the "Say something about Turks being killed
by Armenians here" section of your note.


I have the following games for sale/trade. Make an offer.

Hu-Cards:
R-Type
Sidearms
Alien Crush
Neutopia
Tricky Kick
Ninja Spirit
Somer Assault

CD:
Lords of the Rising Sun
Sherlock Holmes

--
brian
oplinger@ra.crd.ge.com


I have an 8000S I'd like to sell.  Now that I'm finished with my TAing,
I don't have nearly as many appoints to miss, and I'd like to put the
money toward a laptop.

Asking $200.  I bought it last Christmas.  It's in great shape and
includes (as an added bonus!) a nice, padded leather carrying case.
--
Blair MacIntyre --- bm@cs.columbia.edu --- CS Department, Columbia University


Pennicillin if i have everything correct,  was a highly valuable
Myco-toxin,  discovered during WW2.  It proved to have an amazing
Bacterio-cidal effect without human toxicity.   It's immediate
administration  showed immediate dramatic results  solving
problems  that previously were fatal.  Although initially
enormously expensive to culture,  within 3 years,
the price had fallen at least two orders of magnitude,
and within 10 years,  was  not much more expensive then
aspirin.  Penicillin was also usable for an amazingly wide
class of infections.

Centoxin is a drug that is not passing FDA approval.  It promised
amazing results for Toxic shock, a rapidly fatal disease.
It consumed enormous amounts of funding  in testing and
developement,  However it works  less then 1 in 5 times
of administration  and costs $2,000 per administration
with no promise of any reduction in manufacturing cost.
The drug thus costs $10,000 per useful case,  and is
implicated in a slight increase in mortality for some
patients.

I would not dare to compare the shuttle to Pennicillin,
but to centoxin.


Arab citizens have the all the same rights as Jews.  Arabs are
exempt from military service, but that is about it.  Arabs have a
full voice in Israeli politics, to the degree that they choose to
get involved.  They may vote.  There are Arabs in the Cabinet.


Were.

In urban areas.


i heard a news report indicating research showing improved
hearing in people taking vitamin A. the research showed that new
growth replaced damaged "hairlike" nerves. has anyone heard about
this?

thanks,
claude


THE WHITE HOUSE

                    Office of the Press Secretary

______________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release                             April 20, 1993

                       REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
           DURING PRESENTATION OF TEACHER OF THE YEAR AWARD

                           The Rose Garden

1:25 P.M. EDT

	     THE PRESIDENT:  Good afternoon.  Please be seated.  I
want to say, first, how delighted I am to be here with Secretary
Riley and with Senator Graham.  The three of us served as governors
together during the 1980s when we worked constantly on strategies to
improve our schools, when we led often difficult and long efforts to
upgrade the standards in American education and to improve the
quality of instruction our children were receiving.

	     There were no two governors whom I admired more during
that period than the two who now stand on this stage with the Teacher
of the Year.  And I think both of them would join me in saying that,
after all the testimony has been heard and all the bills have been
passed and the funds have been raised and allocated, it all comes
down to what happens between the teacher and the students in the
classroom.

	     That's why today's ceremony honoring the National
Teacher of the Year is so important.  Tracey Leon Bailey is one
recognition all across our country for highly advanced and innovative
science programs.  He's developed and introduced into Florida's
classrooms cutting-edge programs in molecular biology and DNA
fingerprinting -- subjects usually taught only in college and, I
might add, probably only dimly understood here in the Nation's
Capital.  (Laughter.)

	     Within three years of being hired by a satellite high
school, Mr. Bailey's institution had one of the strongest science
programs in the entire state of Florida, and it won numerous national
and international awards.  These advanced programs aren't just for a
favored few.  Tracey Bailey has inspired all kinds of students,
including those previously known as low-achieving or at-risk to reach
for excellence and to attain it.  This is what our students need and
what our country needs.

	     Today, we know that a good future with high wages and
rich opportunities rests on the foundation of quality education for a
lifetime.  The basics aren't enough anymore.  All our kids need
competence in math and science and advanced problem-solving.  That's
why Tracey Bailey's accomplishments are so important and why I am so
pleased and proud to participate in recognizing and honoring these
accomplishments.

	     Tracey, you represent the best in the United States.
I'm glad to recognize you today and to formally present you with this
Apple Award as the Teacher of the Year for 1993.  (Applause.)

	     MR. BAILEY:  Thank you, Mr. President.  It is indeed a
great honor and a tremendous responsibility to represent the nation's
2.5 million teachers.  And we appreciate the support that you have
shown for education, and we're looking forward to working with you to
help redesign and improve our nation's schools.

	     We know that the quality of our children's education
will directly impact the future of our economic and social landscape
in the years to come.  And we thank you so much for your continued
support and commitment to our children's education.  Thank you again.
(Applause.)

	     THE PRESIDENT:  In closing, I would like to also welcome
the education leaders in Florida who are here, those representing the
national education groups who have also come.  I'd like to recognize
Tracey's congressman, Representative Jim Bacchus in the back, himself
a great advocate of education.  And I'd like to remind all of you
that the ultimate purpose of the National Teacher of the Year Award
is to find a way for the rest of us to express our appreciation to
people all across this country who give their lives to our children,
all of the teachers of this country who get up every day and do their
best to try to advance the cause of learning for all the children of
America.  They are, in so many ways, our most important public
servants.

	     Thank you very much.  (Applause.)


Sells for $570 here (Southern California) almost everywhere.


I don't want to attack anyone's personal opinions and thus have not
included any articles - but it seems to me incredibly ridiculous
and pompous for someone to sit back with the benefit of hindsight
and point fingers at Clinton, Reno, the FBI, or whomever.

First of all, it is a knee-jerk judgement.  The facts are quite
muddled at this point and will likely be for quite a while.

Secondly, things do not improve by pointing blame and accusatory
fingers.  Pointing fingers is a destructive action.  If everyone
sat around pointing fingers all the time, nothing would get done
and nothing would ever get any better.  And despite the tragedy,
we can learn something from this - if it is approached in a
constructive manner.  Doesn't it seem that working together is
more productive than working against one another?

Thirdly, it seems incredibly hypocritical to place blame given
the benefit of hindsight - something that those who made the
decisions did not have the benefit of.  Why not give them the courtesy
of acknowledging that they did the best they could with the
data they had - in a very, very difficult situation.  Some
responses have gone so far to suggest that the actions were done
without regard for the lives of the people in the compound - give
me a break.

Be part of the solution - not the problem.

And that's MY opinion -


You haven't been facing major league pitching.

  Maybe more... you have to be good at the plate, and most

STATS did a little study in the 1993 Scoreboard book entitled "Can
you hit sacrifice flies on purpose?"  A summary of the findings:

Over the 5 year period, sac-fly type fly balls were produced 17.6
percent of the time in situations where a sac fly was useful, and
17.7 percent of the time when a sac fly wasn't useful.

They looked at the leaders in sac flies, and found that the leaders
in sac flies - in other words, the guys you would expect to be good
at it it - hit sac fly type fly balls only 3% more often when they
needed to - a difference way too small to be the result of a skill.
Essentially, the players who hit a lot of sac flies seem to do
so because they hit hit sac fly type flies often, with and without
a runner on third.

STATS concludes "So it appears conclusive that hitters cannot hit
sacrifice flies on purpose - even if they practice in the bATTING
cage."


I prefer InfoSelect myself, but it is a strange kind of PIM.

Well, a few things might help you like the 3.1 File Manager better.

1) To get more than one window simply double click on a drive icon.
   That it only gives you one window to work with is a fallacy. You
   can drag files between windows, to any icon on the tree on the left
   side of the window, and to any drive icon. This beats your "left
   and right window" as you can have as many open as you wish instead
   of just two.

2) You can launch any app from within File Manager by double clicking
   on the executable's icon.

3) You can launch any application and open a document file by double
   clicking on the document file's icon, provided you have
   associations set correctly. This is easily done with the menus. The
   "browse" capability adds a lot of functionality to 3.1. So if you
   name all your text files with .txt and point all GIF, TIFF, etc.
   files towards Paintshop or WinGIF, this takes care of your
   requirement for "text reading and graphics viewing".

I know someone who prefers using File Manager as his shell. Setting up
all the associations you need is the way to do it.

If Directory Opus is half as good as File Manager then it must be
pretty good indeed! File Manager just needs you to understand how
some things are done.

--


   Uh oh, Michael; you typed "hell" and capitalized it to boot! Now
Peter Nyikos will explain that you're not a real Christian!

BZZT! Sorry Michael--the Nyikos Inquisition pointed out that I was
hell-bound after one mildly scurrilous pun on "revealing oneself."
Admitting to masturbation--well, I'm just shocked!


Um, I think you and the Bible are the ones inside the wall.  There's a
really wonderful world out here.  You really should peek out at it sometime.

The silly things you keep saying only reinforce the fact that we *are*
on opposite sides of a very high wall.  I see how incredibly beautiful
things are on my side, and I only keep telling you about it because
I'd like to you come join me here.

I never said that.  I said that I would PREFER to cease to exist than
to be tossed into any god's version of Hell.

You say to me, "Brian, come up here and take a look from this vantage
point."  But you're in a valley, looking at a crayon drawing of a sun
and a tree, and I can't for the life of me figure out why you're so
immersed in it.  *I*'m the one trying to get you to come up HERE,
don't you see?


application
comp
Indeed,
of
and

Well, I thought that highmem.sys would do that too. I just took out emm386
of my config.sys, and I'm still loading my other drivers high (mouse, vga
shadow bios, dos-key etc.) I haven't checked mem/c, but I believe I have
managed to load them high (ie between 640KB and 1024KB).

Also, ever since I took out emm386, windows loads slightly faster, I get
about 3 extra meg of freemem in windows (I'm running 386 enhanced with 4
Meg RAM, 7 Meg swap) and I got rid of my ctrl-alt del reboot problem
(before, the computer would not reboot using ctrl-alt-del after exiting
windows).

I would really like to keep emm386 out of my config.sys. Anybody else have
info on this???


These are perfectly valid points and I agree. I'm glad we (MS) are starting
to remedy this situation with DOS 6 (and it will get better in future
releases). You do need to be aware of some history, however. In the
mid-late 80's, MS's point of view was that OS/2 was going to take over
the world and DOS would be phased out. As such, resources for DOS
(and windows, for that matter) development were mostly redirected to OS/2.
The theory was to keep just enough resources on DOS to support people
until they started using OS/2, so utilities and such for DOS fell by the
wayside.

Then Windows 3.0 hit the market, OS/2 flopped (1.x, at least...2.x seems to
be doing a little better, but its future is still cloudy), and people either
stayed with their DOS (3.x and 4.x) apps or moved to Windows. About that
point in time, MS made its decision to drop OS/2 for DOS/Windows in the
short term and Windows/NT in the long term. DOS 5, much improved over DOS
3.x and 4.x, was the first result of MS's refocussing on DOS and Windows.
Version 6 takes things somewhat further and I suspect future versions will
offer even more in terms of "real" OS features (I work on NT and have no
real clue about what my coworkers over in DOSland are doing, but I do
know that there are a heck of a lot more of them than there were a
few years ago).

	...Dave


I don't know what you mean by 'edged', but surely there are two other
possibilities for an isotropic distribution: near interstellar (up to
~100 pc, i.e. within the disc), or the Galaxy's corona?


Back in high school I used to work for a detailing company, and one of the
services we offered was an engine cleaning (remove all that oil BEFORE you
sell the car...  ;-}). Unfortunately, we did not have a high pressure
washer so we would use one several miles from the shop. On more than one
occasion after washing the engine, it would not start as water would have
gotten under the distributor (I would put a plastic bag around it to try and
minimize this), around the spark plug wires, etc and it would be nearly
IMPOSSIBLE to try and wipe all these areas down with a dry rag. The usual
solution was to carry a can of WD-40, and when the car wouldn't start to spray
all the likely areas and it would then start on the very first time.

It may be a myth, but it certainly kept me from being stranded at a car wash...

--


It is 'Serdar', 'kocaoglan'.

Just love it. Well, it could be your head wasn't screwed on just right.
If that does ever happen, look out the window and see if there is a
non-fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East.

 "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
  It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
  create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
  life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
  falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats
  in this alien land."
            (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity")

You sound like ASALA/SDPA/ARF idiots/clowns/crooks. If you prefer to
imagine that U.S. Ambassador Bristol and Armenian/Jewish scholars were
trying to mislead 'Arromdians', be my guest. A typical Armenian clown.

Source: "U.S. Library of Congress": 'Bristol Papers' - General
         Correspondence Container #34.

 "While the Dashnaks [x-Soviet Armenian Government] were in power they
  did everything in the world to keep the pot boiling by attacking Kurds,
  Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages against the Moslems; by
  massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying their homes. During
  the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus have shown no
  ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to govern or
  handle other races under their power."

Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24,
        1921 issue of the newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung:"

"Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army,
 it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against
 defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the
 sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the
 Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well."

Source: John Dewey, "The Turkish Tragedy", The New Republic, Volume 40,
        November 12, 1928, pp. 268-269.

 "They [Armenians] boasted of having raised an army of one hundred
  and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at
  least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."

What a clown...Let us ask Armenian scholars - shall we?

Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.
University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.

"The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the
 area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population
 of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were
 Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.
 Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third
 of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the
 Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan
 uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians
 as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,
 however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the
 guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000
 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character
 notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian
 Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the
 southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."
 (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of
 Transcaucasia).

In 1920, '0' percent Turk.

"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
 ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
 of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
 Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
 into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
 and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
 completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
 found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
 into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
 length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
 Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
 plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
 Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
 howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
 scattered bones of the dead."

                             Ohanus Appressian
                            "Men Are Like That"
                                   p. 202.

Just say so.

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
 million Muslim people)

"Foreword:"

"For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque,
 the most habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border
 of Persia and Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked
 Ohanus if he could tell me anything of the history of the village and
 the cause of its destruction. In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes,
 I assisted in its sack and destruction, and witnessed the slaying of
 those whose bones you saw to-day scattered among its ruins."

p. 202 (first and second paragraphs).

"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
 ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
 of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
 Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
 into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
 and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
 completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
 found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
 into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
 length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
 Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
 plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
 Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
 howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
 scattered bones of the dead."

p. 15 (second paragraph).

"The Tartars were, for the most part, poor. Some of them lived in villages
 and cultivated small farms; many of them continued in the way of life of
 their nomadic forefathers. They drove their flocks and herds from valley
 to valley, from plain to mountain, and from mountain to plain, following
 the pasturage as it changed with the seasons. They ranged from the salt
 desert shores of the Caspian Sea far into the mighty Caucasus Mountains.
 Even the village Tartars are a primitive people, only semicivilized."

"I can see now that we Armenians frankly despised the Tartars, and, while
 holding a disproportionate share of the wealth of the country, regarded and
 treated them as inferiors. The fact that the Russians looked down upon all
 Armenians in much the same way as Armenians regarded Tartars, far from proving
 a bond between ourselves and our racially different neighbors, intensified
 an attitude and conduct on our part that served only to exacerbate hostility."

p. 20 (second paragraph).

"Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar
 section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors
 were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great
 fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they
 smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last
 Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror,
 unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and
 the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."

p. 109 (second paragraph).

"As things were, the members of the Dashnack Party were without administrative
 experience; consequently the government they instituted quickly proved itself
 incompetent to rule by legitimate means.

 The members of the government had been revolutionists working in secret and
 outside the law. When they became a legally instituted, recognized governing
 body with the destiny of Armenia in their hands, they proved incompetent to
 do better than resume the terrorist tactics that had characterized their
 fight against the Russian and Turkish Governments in their outlaw days.

 The outstanding feature of their rule, now that they were in power, was,
 as in the old days, trial and execution without hearing. A man evoking
 the displeasure of the government or of some official would be tried and
 condemned without arrest or preference of charges against him. The method
 of execution was for a government 'mauserist' to walk up behind the
 condemned man in his home or on the street, place a pistol to the back
 of his head and blow out his brains. This simple way of getting rid of
 those who were undesirable in the view of the government and soon became
 a common way of paying debts."

p. 203 (first paragraph).

"A soldier succeeded in driving his bayonet through the Tartar. I saw the
 point of the weapon emerge through his back. ...Another soldier seized a rock
 and pounded the Tartar's head with it... The Armenian who had bayoneted him
 sprang to his feet, wrested the weapon from the Tartar's body, and, raising
 it to his lips, licked it clean of blood, exclaiming in Russian, 'Slodkey!
 Slodkey!' (Sweet.)"

p. 203 (second paragraph).

"One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among the
 ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about
 it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children.
 The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed
 sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils and
 other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies of the
 dead."

p. 204 (first paragraph).

"I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of
 a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make
 my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy
 that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of
 a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a
 Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her
 throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a
 year old."

p. 118.

"Slowly the train of oxcarts lumbered along through the snow, the cart
 jolting and the loads swaying. Boys ran along the line of oxen, encouraging
 them with shrill Tartar cries, and belaboring the beasts with sticks. In the
 carts, the women, veiled as is the Tartar way, held children in their arms.
 Wrapped in blankets and huddled among the goods that burdened the carts they
 sought protection from the wind and cold. A few old men plodded along on foot.

 Across the road through the ravine a barrier had been thrown. The leading
 oxteam reached this barrier and halted. The gunmen and other ruffians
 concealed among the rocks opened fire. Women and children leaped and
 scrambled from the carts, screamed, ran and sought vainly for safety.

 This massacre was not complete. The Armenian soldiers in the near-by
 barracks, hearing the firing and the turmoil, hurried to the scene....
 That same day the abandoned Tartar quarter of Alexandropol was looted
 and completely destroyed."

p. 192.

"Great swarms of peasants who had come out of their hiding-places on the
 retreat of the Turks followed our army as it advanced.... They entered
 into the city with the army and immediately began plundering the stores
 that had been left by the Turks."

p. 193.

"Terrible vengeance was taken upon Tartars, Kurds and Turks. Their villages
 were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country."

p. 195.

"The fanatical Dashnacks hated the Turks above all others and then in order
 of diminishing intensity: Tartars, Kurds and Russians."

p. 218. (First and second paragraphs)

"Russian troops did terrible things in the Turkish villages...We Armenians
 did not spare the Tartars....If persisted in, the slaughtering of prisoners,
 the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become commonplace
 actions expected and accepted as a matter of course.

 I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground,
 in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless
 and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the
 heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands,
 and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with
 their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."

p. 133 (first paragraph)

"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
 had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
 abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
 these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
 brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
 mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
 employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
 crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."

p. 19 (first paragraph)

"The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of
 ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same
 fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."

p. 22 (second paragraph)

"Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers.
 We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received
 military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives.
 ...Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution
 in Russia was suppressed."

p. 97 (third paragraph)

"Within a few years, following the beginning of the movement, an invisible
 government of Armenians by Armenians had been established in Turkish
 Armenia in armed opposition to the Turkish Government. This secret
 government had its own courts and laws and an army of assassins called
 'Mauserists' (professional killers) to enforce its decrees."

p. 98 (first paragraph)

"The Dashnacks were in continual open rebellion against the Turkish
 Government."

p. 98 (third paragraph)

"...the Dashnacks engineered a general revolt of Armenians in Turkish
 Armenia under the mistaken belief that European nations would intervene
 and secure independence for Turkish Armenia."

p. 99 (second paragraph)

"The Dashnacks were fanatics."

p. 99 (third paragraph)

"The Dashnacks took advantage of this situation and extended their
 revolutionary activities into the Russian province. They instituted
 a campaign of terrorism and employed threats and force in securing
 contributions to the party funds from rich Armenians. A wealthy
 man would be assessed a stipulated sum. Refusal to pay brought upon
 him a sentence of death.

 Every member of the party was pledged to carry out orders without
 question. If a man were to be assassinated, lots might be drawn to
 select an executioner or the job might be assigned to one of the
 'mauserists' of the party."

p. 130 (first paragraph)

"...in moments of victory against Turks and Kurds or Tartars, they
 [Armenians] have been remorseless in seeking vengeance."

p. 130 (third paragraph)

"The city was a scene of confusion and terror. During the early days of
 the war, when the Russian troops invaded Turkey, large numbers of the
 Turkish population abandoned their homes and fled before the Russian
 advance."

p. 159 (second paragraph)

"I made a cannon, a huge gun to lift which required four men. I made balls
 for it. With my cannon the Armenians could knock down any of the Tartar
 houses and so they were able to drive the Tartars out."

p. 181 (first paragraph)

"The Tartar villages were in ruins."

p. 189 (third paragraph)

"The dead Tartar lay with his head in a pool of mud and blood, his
 beard still setaceous and now crimsoned."

Need I go on?

Serdar Argic


Is it not also an abomination that somebody would spend money on "space
advertising" when those children are starving? Perhaps some redistribution
of wealth would help them ...


It seems I'm in the fortunate position to desire what many people want to sell-
a miniature color tv.  I require color and input for cable or vcr.  I would
prefer a 5inch diagonal and a tube television (not lcd).

Get paid the first, make an offer by email.


Larry -

Thanks for the reply, but this isn't quite the same thing.  Like I said before,
I can understand why non-Christians would be denied *access* to holy
ceremonies, but the ceremony itself (communion) was not secret.  In fact, all
four gospels record the first "breaking of the bread" in some detail.
Communion was a fellowship meal, and it was (and still should be, in my
opinion) inappropriate to invite those who did not share in the fellowship of
the Body of Christ.  The fact that unbelievers, denied access to these communal
meals, began to imagine all sorts of secret and debased rituals during
communion does not by any means imply that the early Christians were in fact
hiding shameful things from the general public.  In fact, I think if you read
some of the early church fathers, you will find that they were not at all
bashful about describing what went on during communion.  That's why it seems
funny to me when Mormons, who claim to be the only true restoration of 1st
century Christianity, insist on hiding certain rituals on the grounds that they
are "too sacred."

- Mark


The following is a juxtaposition of part of an ancient text known as
"de Sacramentis", usually attributed to St. Ambrose of Milan, and the
canon of the traditional Catholic Mass of the Roman rite.  The
conclusion from this comparison is that the central part of the
traditional Roman canon was already fairly well in place by sometime
in the late 4th century.

Taken from "The Mass of the Western Rites", by the Right Reverend Dom
Fernand Cabrol, Abbot of Farnborough, 1934, without permission.
Excerpted from Chapter VI: THE MASS AT ROME, FROM THE FIFTH TO THE
SEVENTH CENTURIES.  The paragraph at the end is from the book, not me.

Sorry about the long lines.

Joe Buehler

-----

TEXT OF DE SACRAMENTIS          ROMAN CANON                     ROMAN CANON
(about 400 AD)                  (1962 AD)                       (English translation)

                                Te igitur ...                   (omitted here)
                                Memento Domine ...
                                Communicantes ...
                                Hanc igitur oblationem ...

Fac nobis (inquit sacerdos),    Quam oblationem tu Deus, in     Do thou, O God, deign to
hanc oblationem ascriptam,      omnibus, quaesumus,             bless what we offer, and
ratam, rationabilem,            benedictam, adscriptam,         make it approved,
acceptabilem, quod figura       ratam, rationabilem,            effective, right, and
est corporis et sanguinis       acceptabilemque facere          wholly pleasing in every
Jesu Christi.                   digneris: ut nobis corpus et    way, that it may become
                                sanguis fiat dilectissimi       for our good, the Body
                                Filii tui Domini nostri Jesu    and Blood of Thy dearly
                                Christi.                        beloved Son, Jesus Christ
                                                                our Lord.

Qui pridie quam pateretur,      Qui pridie quam pateretur,      Who, the day before He
in sanctis manibus suis         accepit panem in sanctas ac     suffered, took bread into
accepit panem, respexit in      venerabiles manus suas: et      His holy and venerable
caelum ad te, sancte Pater      elevatis oculis in ccelum,      hands, and having raised
omnipotens, aeterne Deus,       ad Te Deum Patrem suum          His eyes to Heaven, unto
Gratias agens, benedixit,       omnipotentem, tibi gratias      Thee, O God, His Almighty
fregit, fractum quae            agens, benedixit, fregit,       Father, giving thanks to
apostolis suis et discipulis    deditque discipulis suis        Thee, He blessed it, broke
suis tradidit dicens:           dicens: accipite et             it, and gave it to His
accipite et edite ex hoc        manducate ex hoc omnes: hoc     disciples, saying: Take ye
omnes: hoc est enim corpus      est enim corpus meum.           all and eat of this:
meum, quod pro multis                                           For this is my Body.
confringetur.

Similiter etiam calicem         Simili modo postquam            In like manner, when the
postquam caenatum est,          caenatum est, accipiens et      supper was done, taking
pridie quam pateretur,          hunc praeclarum calicem in      also this goodly chalice
accepit, respexit in            sanctas ac venerabiles manus    into His holy and
caelum ad te, sancte pater      suas item tibi gratias          venerable hands, again
omnipotens, aeterne Deus,       agens, benedixit deditque       giving thanks to Thee,
gratias agens, benedixit,       discipulis suis, dicens:        He blessed it, and gave it
apostolis suis et discipulis    accipite et bibite ex eo        to His disciples, saying:
suis tradidit, dicens:          omnes: Hic est enim calix       Take ye all, and drink of
accipite et bibite ex hoc       sanguinis mei, novi et          this: For this is the
omnes: hic est enim sanguis     aeterni testamenti:             Chalice of my Blood of the
meus.                           mysterium fidei; qui pro        new and eternal covenant;
                                vobis et pro multis             the mystery of faith,
                                effundetur in remissionem       which shall be shed for
                                peccatorum.                     you and for many unto the
                                                                forgiveness of sins.

                                Haec quotiescumque feceritis    As often as you shall do
                                in mei memoriam facietis.       these things, in memory of
                                                                Me shall you do them.

Ergo memores gloriosissimae     Unde et memores, Domine, nos    Mindful, therefore, O
ejus passionis et ab inferis    servi tui, sed et plebs tua     Lord, not only of the
resurrectionis, in caelum       sancta, ejusdem Christi         blessed Passion of the
ascensionis, offerimus tibi     Filii tui Domini nostri, tam    same Christ, Thy Son, our
hanc immaculatam hostiam,       beatae passionis necnon et      Lord, but also of His
hunc panem sanctum et           ab inferis resurrectionis,      resurrection from the
calicem vitae aeternae;         sed et in caelos gloriosae      dead, and finally His
                                ascensionis: offerimus          glorious ascension into
                                praeclarae majestati tuae de    Heaven, we, Thy ministers,
                                tuis donis ac datis, hostiam    as also Thy holy people,
                                puram, hostiam sanctam,         offer unto Thy supreme
                                hostiam immaculatam, Panem      majesty, of the gifts
                                sanctum vitae aeternae, et      bestowed upon us, the
                                Calicem salutis perpetuae.      pure Victim, the holy
                                                                Victim, the all-perfect
                                                                Victim: the holy Bread of
                                                                life eternal and the
                                                                Chalice of unending
                                                                salvation.

et petimus et precamur, ut      Supra quae propitio ac          And this do Thou deign to
hanc oblationem suscipias in    sereno vultu respicere          regard with gracious and
sublimi altari tuo per manus    digneris: et accepta habere,    kindly attention and hold
angelorum tuorum sicut          sicuti accepta, habere          acceptable, as Thou didst
suscipere dignatus es munera    dignatus es munera pueri tui    deign to accept the
pueri tui justi Abel et         justi Abel, et sacrificium      offerings of Abel, Thy
sacrificium patriarchae         patriarchae nostri Abrahae,     just servant, and the
nostri Abrahae et quod tibi     et quod tibi obtulit summus     sacrifice of Abraham our
obtulit summus sacerdos         sacerdos tuus Melchisedech      patriarch, and that which
Melchisedech.                   sanctum sacrificium,            Thy chief priest
                                immaculatam hostiam.            Melchisedech offered unto
                                                                Thee, a holy sacrifice and
                                                                a spotless victim.

                                Supplices te rogamus,           Most humbly we implore
                                omnipotens Deus: jube haec      Thee, almighty God, bid
                                perferri per manus sancti       these offerings to be
                                Angeli tui in sublime altare    brought by the hands of
                                tuum in conspectu divinae       Thy holy angel unto Thy
                                majestatis tuae: etc.           altar above; before the
                                                                face of Thy Divine
                                                                Majesty; etc.


(Sorry about double posting, but I forgot something.)

"make, use or sell" in this context have non-standard meanings:

"Make" means making an encrypted message.  "Use" may mean using PGP, or
using an encrypted message.  "Sell" would probably mean selling an
encrypted message.  It is the message created by a "patented" process
incorporated in PGP, which infringes.


This would be dumb move of the nineties...Lindros is big and strong...
but why give him a ball and chain on one leg and an anchor on the
other to drag along.

Not if Pocklington gets there first! (-...actually, if Pocklington
doesn't get a better deal, he would probably go to Hamilton...taking
the team out of Canada would get the whole country mad at him...
taking the team to Hamilton wouldn't get anybody mad at him that
isn't mad at him already...and would make him a lot of friends
in Southern Ontario...so many that the whining of the stupid politicians in
Edmonton and the fickle spoiled fans wouldn't be noticed at all.
Edmonton would wallow in anonymnity.


Doug Holland claims Tom Clancy has provided the recipe for nuclear bombs.
Clancy himself says he has omitted certain crucial steps. Further, how do we
know Clancy knows, rather than repeating what he's read or been told in the
unclassified domain?


In <1993Apr21.175443.5338@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (John Bell) dribbles
in his nappies and manages to splutter:

	You know, John, if you had kept the follow-up to line here on talk
politics guns, we might have taken you a bit more seriously.  It would have
at least implied that you had some backbone, perhaps a modicum of willingness
to present your views and support them.  I guess we all know better now.

	Really?  That's interesting, as I was always of the opinion that
people dumb enough to keep a monarchy around and support them with tax
funds when said monarchy is merely a figurehead deserve all that
they get.  Dunkirk, for example.  What?  That has nothing to do with it?
Then enjoy your helping of foot.

	And they killed a few people of their own, including one child
at last report.  So what?  Being a federal agent is not license to kill.
Then there's CNN indicating that the ATF/FBI actually *DID* start the
fires which would mean feds killed just under 100 people.  If you're
so hot to assign blame, make sure you don't overlook the obvious.

	Montgomery isn't much of a hero here, either.  Amazing how
different things look on the other side of the pond, isn't it?  Not
that what you think makes much of a difference in the USA, though, and
for good reason.  When you can vote I'll take your rhetoric a bit more
seriously.  Right now, you're merely a waste of trans-atlantic bandwidth.

	Proof positive that ignorance really is bliss.


Not exactly correct, but nice try.  The Catholic doctrine of infallibility
refers to freedom from error in teaching of the universal Church in
matters of faith or MORALS.  It is this teaching which is taken as
doctrine.


Oh, yea, and Chris Bosio pitched a NO-HITTER.  One over the minimum, two
bases on ball in the first inning, one runner left, 95 pitches.  I listened
to the game on radio and listening to Dave Niehaus call the game was a
real treat (as long as they keep Ron Fairly quite, I doubt if anyone is
better than Niehaus -- but that Fairly guy is really annoying me).

But, I guess if Clemens or Viola had been pitching, it would have
been a different story :-)

Two shutouts in two nights against the hottest, best hitting team in
Major League baseball ....  Pretty impressive in any league.

Man, if Johnson, Bosio and Hanson keep going the Mariners could be a
really interesting team to follow this year.  Also, John Cummings (rookie)
has had three solid outings with no support.  If Fleming comes back
this may be the best starting staff in the American League this year
(relief is another story, though - grimace).

Too cool.  The first no-hitter that I have been able to follow from
start to end.  And again, I think Niehaus will win some kind of award
for the way he called the game.  The guy is truly a joy to listen to --
he deserves a pennant race ...


Hi!

I need a Windows 3.1 driver for the Matrox PG-1281 CV
SVGA card.
At the moment Windows runs only in the 640x480 mode.
If you have a driver for this card, please send it
with the OEMSETUP.INF to

bockamp@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE

Thanks!


I hope someone can help me with the following problem - I'm sure there
must be a known solution.

Given a rectangle defined by

-X <= x <= X  and -Y <= y <= Y  where X and Y are constant

and a parallelogram defined by

-C1 <= a*x + b*y <= C1  and -C2 <= c*x + d*y <= C2

where C1, C2, a, b, c, d are constants and b/a != d/c (i.e. not
parallel lines)                                ^^
                                          not equal to

what is the area of their intersection?

   What I'm after is some general algorithm suitable for ALL rectangles
and parallelograms that can be described by the above equations.  At the
moment it looks like I'm going to have to look at all possible cases
and examine each seperately e.g.

1) rectangle encloses parallelogram.

2) parallelogram encloses rectangle.

3) two corners of parallelogram inside rectangle

                          ^
                         / \
                        /   \
                       /     \
           Y -------------------------------  Y
             |       /         \           |
             |       \          \          |
             |        \     .    \         |       . origin
             |         \          \        |
             |          \         /        |
          -Y ------------------------------- -Y
            -X            \     /           X
                           \   /
                            \ /
                             "

4) two corners of parallelogram outside rectangle

   I hope someone can help.

Many thanks in advance,

Dave Nettleton.

e-mail:  D.J.Nettleton@durham.ac.uk


	If the Leaf's play like they did in game one they're going to need
these!  Watching that game _really_ hurt!

					Cheers!
						i.
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Did you watch the games????


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No.  Zeno's paradox is resolved by showing that integration or an infinite
series of decreasing terms can sum to a finite result.

Well, suppose a probe emitting radiation at a constant frequency was
sent towards a black hole.  As it got closer to the event horizon, the
red shift would keep increasing.  The period would get longer and longer,
but it would never stop.  An observer would not observe the probe actually
reaching the event horizon.  The detected energy from the probe would keep
decreasing, but it wouldn't vanish.  Exp(-t) never quite reaches zero.

I guess the above probably doesn't make things any more clear, but hopefully
you will get the general idea maybe.


I have written a server program which makes socket connections to many nodes
and collects data from that nodes periodically. I need to display this data on
my X Application. I tried
to invoke this server using XtAddAppTimeout which works ok. But the
problem here is some time there is delay in collecting data. So I doesn't
returns to EventLoop during that time and my application remains busy and
It doesn't respond to users input. I button press events are queued and
exected after server finished its task. Now I am going to try AppAddInput
call. So that It reads pipe only when there is something to read in pipe.

I am thinking of creating one pipe in which server will write and client
which is my X application will read. Now I have some doubts which you may
be able to clarify.

1) When I fork a process. It will create to copy of my process. Right !!
   Now what does this two copies mean? Two Shells. Where should I fork
   my application. What are the responsibilities of this processes. How
   should I call this processes.?

2) Can I fork more than one processes. So that I can read from more
   than one servers input.

Thanks

Samir Patel

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

spatel@cs.tamu.edu


Okay, I think we all agree that singles hitters should take a
strike or two and try to get on base any way they can.

So the "No Power/Impatient" guys have no excuse.
The "No Power/Patient" guys are doing the right thing.

Now the "Impatient/Power" guys (how could you leave out the Big Cat?).
Would these guys have a better slugging percentage if they took
more pitches?   Perhaps, but I doubt it.  If you tell Joe Carter
to go up there and take a few pitches, he will draw more walks, but
he also won't hit as many frozen ropes into the bleachers because
he is more likely to hold back on a pitch that he used to drive.

The "Patient/Power" guys?   Joe Morgan had a small strike zone and
Rickey Henderson has "a strike zone the size of Hitler's heart"
so they get their walks based on the small zone.

Look at the other 5 guys: Thomas, Bonds, McGwire, Ruth and Williams.  Wow!
A lot of pitchers would rather nibble at the corners and maybe
walk these guys that to throw a clear strike to them.
The pitchers would do better (in my opinion) by just coming after
them with a good fastball for a strike on the first pitch, but pitchers
would rather nibble, go 2-0 or 3-1 and then get hurt.


What's the best lease quote that anyone has seen on a Toyota Previa DX or DX
All-trac for a two-year lease?  If you know where I can get a better
rate than $330/month, please contact me with the name and phone of
the dealership.


I know that Apple is working on an active matrix color powerbook.  When
is it going to come out.  I heard on rumor that it will be in two months
and another that it will be seen at the MacWorld Expo in Boston?  What's
the word?


I saw a 3 hour show on PBS the other day about the history of the
Jews. Appearently, the Cursades(a religious war agianst the muslilams
in 'the holy land') sparked the widespread persecution of muslilams
and jews in europe. Among the supporters of the persiecution, were none
other than Martin Luther, and the Vatican.

Later, Hitler would use Luthers writings to justify his own treatment
of the jews.


Yes, where commodities are concerned. Imagining that capitalist
theorists had software in mind when they wrote their grand treatises
on "the main point of capitalism" is non-productive.


< rest deleted >

As a followup to my post let me add that:

I'm not really a Windows or Windows NT user, so please excuse my ignorance.
However, I'm a developer at SAS Institute, and one component of the
application that I support is the ability to submit a (SAS) batch job from
within an interactive SAS session.  The user site can enter their
site-specific "batch profile" into a dataset within our product, specifying
the pathname to the SAS executable, specifying site specific SAS options,
etc.  At run time certain variables are resolved, and the resolved file is
written to an external ascii file.  Then I exit to the operating system and
run the job asynchronously, returning to the interactive session as soon as
the job is submitted.  The batch job then runs concurrently with the
interactive session.

As currently designed, the internal dataset has a record length of 80
characters.  But, to run the batch job, the command to reinvoke SAS in
batch mode requires more than 80 characters.  Up til NT this has not been a
problem, since every job control/shell language up til NT (eg.
MVS/CMS/VMS/UNIX/OS2) had a way to escape the CR/LF and enter a single
command across multiple lines (OS/2 via their REXX language, which is
*STANDARD* with OS/2).

The gist of all this is, since this application is for end-users, not
within my company, I have to try to develop this process using native NT.
Since my first posting I've learned that there are several third party
companies that provide alternative script languages for Windows/Windows NT.
And I'm sure a company that licenses our product would use that alternative
script language if they had it, but I can't develop under the assumption
that they have anything other than what comes with NT.

I saw another post on this list (the subject was something like "Is vi
available for Windows?") in which someone said that vi, make, awk, and
***ksh*** was available with Microsoft TOOLKIT.  What is that product?  Is
it a separate product or part of Windows?  ksh would do what I need if I
could count on it at all NT sites.

One last question:  I've heard that NT has remote processing capabilities,
i.e. I could shove this batch job off to a server machine and have it run
there.  If these are native NT commands rather than network specific
commands, this would also help me improve this process.  If you can comment
on these commands, I would appreciate it.

Thanks again for the help,

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He appears to have believed that.  He had a view which was condemned by conciliar
action, which is often taken to be condemnation of the idea of reincarnation.
What was actually condemned was the doctrine of the pre-existence of the soul
before birth.  Similar, but not exactly the same thing.

Larry Overacker (ll@shell.com)
--


I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
Bastards.

Dean


I am planning on buying a repair manual for my ford taurus. (92).
Is the $53 Ford shop manual comprehensive  enough , covering repairs
in all aspects of the car ?

how about the haynes manual for tarus ?

please email replies if possible.


I have used a product called "Goof-off" it comes in a little yellow
can (about the size of a deck of playing cards).

It has worked well for removing all kinds of sticker and tape residues.

NOTE: always test a small area in an inconspicuous place before using.

Good luck,


I think there is another formula for ERA.  I heard something about it last
year.  Im not sure what it is, but im gonna give it a stab.  It allows for
a pitcher to pitch more than 9 innings at a time and not benefit, cuz it
uses outs recorded instead of innings pitched...

        ERA = (ER*27)/outs recorded

Like i said, im not sure this is exactly it, but im pretty sure they changed
it to something of the sort.


I have a group of GIF images that each contain 6 small images in
the same place on all the images. I need a program to crop out the
small images to a new GIF file. All the programs I can find make me
use the mouse or keyboard to define the cropping coordinates. Is there
a program out there for a PC that can take the crop coordinates on
the command line?


I hope David isn't going to be too upset with me for sticking my nose
in here again, but here goes......:-)

It isn't the average temperature that is the key factor here, but rather
which is better at transferring the heat out of the (presumably warmer
than ground temperature) battery.  Call it a question of thermal
conductivity, or of insulating ability, or "thermal mass" - whatever you
like.  Question - why does a concrete floor feel cooler than the
surrounding dirt when you place your hand on it?


	Hahahahahaha.  *gasp*  *pant*  Hm, I'm not sure whether the above
was just a silly remark or a serious remark.  But in case there are
some misconceptions, I think Henry Robertson hasn't updated his data
file on Korea since...mid 1970s.  Owning a car in Korea is no longer
a luxury.  Most middle class people in Korea can afford a car and do
have at least one car.  The problem in Korea, especially in Seoul, is
that there are just so many privately-owned cars, as well as taxis and
buses, the rush-hour has become a 24 hour phenomenon and that there is
no place to park.  Last time I heard, back in January, the Kim Administration
wanted to legislate a law requireing a potential car owner to provide
his or her own parking area, just like they do in Japan.

	Also, Henry would be glad to know that Hyundai isn't the only
car manufacturer in Korea.  Daewoo has always manufactured cars and
I believe Kia is back in business as well.  Imported cars, such as
Mercury Sable are becoming quite popular as well, though they are still
quite expensive.

	Finally, please ignore Henry's posting about Korean politics
and bureaucracy.  He's quite uninformed.


You are forced everyday to associate with people that you do not
wish to, and there isn't even a law that makes you do it.  But
you do, becuase you want to go shopping, or go to work, or go to
a public park, or go to a baseball game, etc.


Usually, you apply

[R]    [ 1     0        1.402   ][Y]
[G] =  [ 1  -0.34414   -0.71414 ][U]
[B]    [ 1    1.772     0       ][V]

after unlevelshifting U and V (subtracting 128 from them).

This matrix multiplication may give results out of RGB space, so you
have to clamp the resulting bytes to [0..255].
The conversion should be done with arbitrary big integers, not floats :)

This applies to YUV data whereas NTSC may have YIQ where a 33 degree
rotation to U/V is buid in.


marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) <1r2eba$hsq@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>

Faith and dogma are dangerous because they cause people to act on
faith alone, which by its nature is without justification.  That
is what I mean by the word ``faith'': belief without justification, or
belief with arbitrary justification, or with emotional (irrational)
justification.

For example, when someone says that God exists, that they don't know
why they believe God exists, they can just feel it, that's faith.

Dogma is bad because it precludes positive change in belief based
on new information, or increased mental faculty.

Faith and dogma are irrational.  The faith and dogma part of any religion
are responsible for the irrationality of the individuals.  I claim that
faith and dogma are the quintessential part of any religion.  If that
makes (the much overused in this context) Buddism a philosophy rather
than a religion, I can live with that.  Science is not a religion,
because there is no faith nor dogma.

Have you noticed that philosophers tend to be atheists?  If a philosopher
is not an atheist, s/he tends to be called a theologian.

A Christian tends to consider Christianity sacred.  Christianity is
a special set of beliefs, sanctioned by God himself, and therefore,
to conceive of changing those beliefs is to question the existence
of That Being Who Makes No Mistakes.  Faith comes into play.  Dogma
comes into play.  ``The lord works in mysterious ways'' is an example
of faith being used to reconcile evidence that the beliefs are flawed.
Sure, interpretations of what ``God said'' are changed to satisfy the
needs of society, but when God says something, that's it.  It was said,
and that's that.  Since God said it, it is unflawed, even if the
interpretations are flawed.

Science, (as would be practiced by atheists) in contrast, has a
BUILT IN defence against faith and dogma.
A scientist holds sacred the idea that beliefs should change to
suit whatever is the best information available at the time, AND,
*AND*, ****AND***, a scientist understands that any current beliefs
are deficient in some way.  The goal is to keep improving
the beliefs.  The goal is to keep changing the beliefs to reflect
the best information currently available.  That's the only rational
thing to do.  That's good philosophy.

Can you see the difference?  Science views beliefs as being flawed,
and new information can be obtained to improve them.  (How many
scientists would claim to have complete and perfect understanding
of everything?  None---it would put them out of a job!)  Religion
views its beliefs as being perfect, and the interpretations of
those beliefs must be changed as new information is acquired which
conflicts with them.

It's easier for someone to kill a person when s/he doesn't require
a good rational justification of the killing.  I don't consider
``he's Jewish'', or ``he was born of Jewish parents'', or
``this document says he's Jewish'' to be good rational justification.

Clinton and the FBI would love for you to convince them of this.
It would save the US taxpayer a lot of money if you could.


It is all so changed by now. but in case any of you is
interested in what I actually said, I never compared the
Israeli treatment of the palestinians with the Holocaust.
Anyway that is the truth if it matters. I was about to forget
about it myself since everyone started calling me anti-semitic
for making the comparison that I never made. What I did say was
that the Nazis didn't start with the Holocaust and their
initial actions were similar to what the Israelis are doing now.
	The Jews that were stranded on the polish border since
no country accepted them are like the arabs stranded on the
lebenese border. No trials, no hearing, just expulsion based on
guilt due to race.


How about tell everyone what the hell they were doing there in the first place?

If we knew that, we'd be in a much better position to judge their actions.
Until then, we can only speculate and develop nice conspiracy and/or police
state stories.


(sci.space readers can skip the first paragraph)

  Yesterday, in response to Henry Spencer's question about the
temperature of a blackbody in interstellar space, I said "Dust grains
acts as blackbodies, and they're at 40-150 K."  Well, I was dead
wrong.  Our local interstellar dust expert, Bruce Draine, has
informed me that dust grains _aren't_ good radiators in the far IR,
which is why they are so warm; actually, the ambient radiation field
from distant stars can bring a true blackbody to only 3 or 4 Kelvin.
Sorry, Henry, and anyone else I misled.  Obviously, time for me to
take another ISM class :-(

  In other news, Alan Stern of the Southwest Research Institute gave
a talk on the Pluto-Charon binary system yesterday.  He gave a brief
overview of the currently-accepted system parameters (volume ratio of
about 8:1, mass ratio about 15:1 or so, plus lots more...) and then
gave his thoughts on the formation of Pluto-Charon.  His idea is
that there were lots and lots of small planetesimals in the outer
solar system, with masses distributed as a power law of some kind;
over time, the planetesimals accreted into larger bodies.  Most got
scattered out of the solar system by close encounters with Jupiter
and Saturn, but many accreted into the gas giants, especially
Uranus and Neptune.  A large planetesimal was captured by Neptune -
we call it Triton [captured how?  Perhaps by a collision with a smaller,
already-existing Neptunian moon, perhaps by a very close passage through
Neptune's atmosphere - mondo aerobraking!].

  He notes that the two recently discovered "Kuiper Belt" objects,
1992 QB1 and 1993 FW, plus Chiron and Pholus, are all about the same
mass, and he identifies this group as one-accretion-down from the
larger bodies of Triton and Pluto/Charon.  Pluto/Charon, he thinks,
formed when an impacting body hit proto-Pluto, knocking some material
into a ring around Pluto which later accreted in Charon; similar to
ideas about the formation of Earth's moon.  There is good evidence
from spectra that the surfaces of Pluto and Charon are very different
(Pluto has methane frost, Charon doesn't), which can be used as evidence
for the impact theory.

  He believes that there may be around 1000 Pluto-to-Chiron-sized objects
remaining in a relatively stable dynamical zone just outside Neptune's
orbit, beyond 35 AU or so.  1992 QB1 and 1993 FW are the first members
of this population to be found, in his model.  Note that such bodies
will be very dark, since if their surfaces are covered with methane
frost, it will have photolyzed into very dark, long-chain hydrocarbons
by now.  The reason that Pluto has such a high albedo (around 0.5, I think)
is that its surface warms up JUST enough around perihelion to sublimate,
and when the atmosphere freezes out again, thirty years later, it forms
bright, new frost.  So any bodies much farther away than 30 AU are going
to be very hard to see.

  I hope I haven't made any errors in the transcription; if you see
a howling mistake, it's undoubtedly mine, not his.

  By the way, he's one of the top guns behind the Pluto Fast Flyby
mission (I think), and said that the current plans are to use a
Titan 4 to send the probe on "just about a rectilinear trajectory"
to Pluto (we were speaking loosely at the time...).  He'd like
to use a Proton, which gives a slightly smaller velocity but costs
MUCH less.  His figures: $500 Million for 2 Titan 4 launches (there
will be two separate probes, launched separately), or $120 Million
for 2 Proton launches.  He told a story about how the Soviets originally
offered to sell Proton launches for $30 Million each, but were forced
to increase their prices in the US in order to be allowed in the
marketplace.

  I'm just telling you what he said.

                          Michael


If he says he knows for a fact, what more do you have to gain if he gives
his word?  Do you think he's lying right now?

Anyway, how about this: I give you my word, without naming sources, that IBM
paid companies to write applications for OS/2.  Satisfied?


Sorry if this is late for the thread, but...

I thought God was supposed to be constant and never-changing.  How do
you reconcile this common Christian view with the paragraph above?

Also, while we're at it:

1. How do you reconcile "A KIND and LOVING God!!" with the
Judeo-Christian view that sin was at one time "immediately punishable
by death"?  Was killing people for sinning God's way of showing
KINDness and LOVE?

2. Is the fact the He no longer does this an admission on His part of
having made a mistake?

3. Now that we are "living in the age of grace", does this mean that
for our sins, God now damns us to eternal hell after we die, rather
than killing us immediately?  If so, is this eternal damnation an
example of "A KIND and LOVING God!!"?

Just curious.


Black ones look better.  None are truely indiginous to America,
although some of the finest are produced here.  Gear is expensive, and
you never seem have enough of it.  Volvos hit them.  Only idiots
intentionally rear up the front half off the ground just to look cool.
Posers don't ride them in the rain.  They are dangerous on ice.  Loud
ones are annoying, and too much chrome looks dumb.

Yep, sounds familiar!


-=> Quoting Greg Rogers to All <=-
 GR> Hi all,
 GR> Due to living in the Bay Area, I as unable to see Vancouver's victory
 GR> over the Jets last night.  I know the score, but that rarely describes
 GR> the game. Could someone please post a brief sonapsis (sp?) of waht
 GR> happened.  How well did each team play?  Were the cannucks deserving of
 GR> the victory?
 GR> Also, could some kind soul please email me the end of season,
 GR> individual player stats?

 GR> Greg

 GR> -- Vancouver for the cup (in a virtual reality)--

            I am sorry to tell you this Greg, but in all
            reality, we cannot see Vancouver winning the
            cup.  They have a rrally good chance to come
            out of the Smythe Division, and a chance to make
            it to the finals, but no one is capable this year
            of beating the Penguins, they have too many
            scoring threats. I would love to be proven wrong, but
            I must conclude that the Pens will win cup 3 this year.

            Steve


I've never ridden pillion very much but recently had an excellent
experience passengering with Dave Edmondson at pilot while in London.

I found that it upset the bike much less if I rode with the pilot, that
is, if I looked over his shoulder and anticipated when I should hold on
hard for braking or acceleration. I tried to always look over the
inside shoulder on corners and move as little as possible, leaving
Dave to manage me and the bike as he normally would the bike and
luggage.

Hard acceleration can be quite unnerving as the feeling of being spit
off the back is hard to fight. Similarly, I held on to the grab handles
tightly when Dave needed to brake so as not to mash him to a pulp (I'm
a lot bigger than he is...). Reaching around him and pushing off the
tank seemed like it would be very awkward and make it even harder for
him to manage.

On the rare occasions when I carry a passenger myself, I absolutely
refuse to carry anyone who is not properly accoutered for riding. That's
helmet, jacket, gloves, stout pants and shoes/boots as a minimum. It's
not my responsibility to provide this gear, but it's my responsibility
to require it if they want to ride.

And I agree with an earlier poster: if you've not had much experience
carrying a particular passenger and especially if you've not carried
many passengers before, take a few gentler rides of some duration before
you head off to a difficult road like Mines/Mt. Hamilton. That's a
nasty place to find yourself in trouble.


HPGL does not support raster primitives, so a formatter would have to
punt on most popular image formats.  This probably explains the lack of
translators out there.  What do you need to plot ?


    The first thing I would do would be to disband Medicare and Medicade!  They
are a primary reason why health care costs are going up.  To cover the people
that are currently on these programs, I would sell their coverage in blocks
to insurance companies.  The private companies would bid to get these large
blocks of people, and prices would go down.

    To get away from strong federal control on health care, I would pass off
more control to the states.  Everyone is always spewing forth about how
wonderful Hawaii is doing.  Well, how about giving some other STATES incentive
to try their own plans

    What I would NOT do is try to implement some far reaching federal program
program to cover all Americans, because this is the surest way to fail!

   One sure way to stop throwing money away is to stop giving so much to the
federal government.  Our FEDERAL taxes should be slashed, and our STATE taxes
increased.  A strong central government always fails.  Give power back to the
states/counties/cities, where it belongs.


For those of you who read TV Guide, there's an article in next week's
SPORTSVIEW concerning the NHL and major network broadcasting. Pretty
interesting.


Now I have a couple raytracing questions.
Just so you know I'm using PovRay 1.0 (both MS-dos and Unix) and I'm generating Targa files of varying size.

1) ok, so I can view these wonderful pictures on my screen.  What's the best way  to get them on to paper?  Would it be possible to take it to Kinko's and have   them make an actual picture on paper from it?

2) I was thinking about making a small animation bit with different raytraced
frames.  Is this a bad idea?  Any tricks to it?

3


	I don't think the question is:
		"will OS/2 X.X run Windows Y.Y apps now?"

	A more important question is:
		"will subsequent OS/2 versions continue to run apps
		from subsequent Windows versions in the future?"

	Can it keep up?  Will a future OS/2 3.0 run Windows 4 apps?
	OLE2 is very complex and is the sign of things to come.
	After this fall, I believe IBM no longer has any rights to
	view Microsoft code.  After that, the only way to maintain
	some sort of compatibility is to reverse-engineer.  Would
	you want to reverse-engineer an OLE2 application?


But you already can go at the speed limit at 4000 rpm.  All you need
to do is to find a road with a 35 mph speed limit.

This isn't quite as silly as it sounds.  If you take a nice day trip
over back roads (*not* highways full of people trying seriously to get
from here to there) then you might be able to hold 35 mph comfortably.
You could easily do 500 miles over three different weekends.  You
might even get to enjoy some of the scenery.  Yes, I know this is
probably not why you bought a 250 called "Ninja."


I heard that MAGIC has been transported to the Macintosh environment.  Does
anybody know where I can get a hold of this?  Thanks in advance for any
responses.


Well, I agree that if you're going to stand in front of the net,
that you should expect to get hit and hacked at. In general, you
should expect to finish the game with some bruises. However,
there is a fine line between hacking at a guy (causing some pain
and discomfort) and blatantly attempting to injure another
player. Felix Potvin, IMO, crossed that line on Wednesday. That
two hander on Ciccarelli was way out of line. I lost a lot of
respect for Potvin because of that. It showed an immaturity. He
did not slash at Ciccarelli to simply try to remove him from the
slot area (a legal position for Dino to be in). Instead, he
slashed in an attempt to injure. It was out of shear frustration. As a
Leaf supporter (just a supporter, I'm not a Leaf fan really), I
was very disappointed.

You're right in mentioning Billy Smith and Ron Hextall (at least
in his Philly days). They both crossed that same line at times and
for that reason, many fans (and players) disliked them (that's
why their names always comes up as examples when we talk about
these issues). Let's hope that Felix doesn't do that again. I'd
hate to see anyone (even Dino --- although I admit I don't like
him very much) get seriously hurt from such careless (but
intentional) use of the stick.


Have I mailed this to the correct newsgroup(s)? Are there other newsgroup(s)
which cover the following topic?
--------

Has anyone with myopia (short-sightedness) ever done the Bates eye-exercises?

If so, could you please e-mail me the following information:

	- age and state of sight before exercises were commenced;

	- type, frequency, and length of time spent on exercises performed;

	- improvements noticed immediately after performing exercises;

	- length of period before any improved sight deteriorates;

Thanks in advance for any replies. I'll summarise and post results if there's
enough interest.

 - Jonathan Goldstein


What's this?  Another idiot from McRCIM.McGill.EDU?  Or are these all
the same dope using different accounts?


Please explain how the removal of Israel from the eqation is going to
ease the situation in Iran, Iran/Iraq, Iraq, Iraq/Kuwait, Syria,
Lebanon, Libya, Algeria, Egypt, Sudan ...  Human rights, freedom of
press and religion, slavery, government oppression in authoritarian
societies  --  how are these going to be solved by removing Israel
from the Middle East?


The compressed image format used for the Voyager disks is not (yet)
supported by any Macintosh display software that I know of. However,
there does exist a program that can convert the images to a format that
is recognized by recent versions of both Pixel Pusher and NIH/Image. It
is called "PDS Decompress" and is available via anonymous ftp from the
"pub" directory on "delcano.mit.edu" [18.75.0.80]. This is a Binhex/
Stuffit archive and contains the application itself, Think-C source,
and a very brief description.

The most recent version of NIH/Image (1.48) may be down-loaded from
"starhawk.jpl.nasa.gov", where it is located in "image148.hqx" in the
"pub" directory. This archive also contains source code, but not the
documentation, which is located in the "image1455.hqx" archive in the
same directory.


In the last two weeks I have the following problem on two 160's

1 has a 8Mb Simm and the other a 6 Mb simm
Both are about 2 -3 months old, bought from different vendors and installed
by different people.

Both computers begin crashing frequently, locking up and ultimately the
Memory Chimes.  Crashes would almost always occur if you moved the screen
and sometimes would occur when you weren't even touching the computer.  In
both cases, taking the machine apart, taking the memory out and putting it
back in solved the problem for awhile but then it would comeback,  my
marginally educated guess as to what's happening is that larger SIMMS are
"lopsided" in that the insertion point is sort of a pivot point and after
time they begin to move about - possible because of pressure on the
keyboard or something?

Anyway, has anyone else had such a problem or solution - If somehow you
could support the other end of the simm to prevent it from moving.

I've had no problem for the past 3 weeks by replacing my 8Mb simm with a
2Mbsimm -although this is NOT desireble solution.

Please email any resp - and/or post if usefull to the rest of the world.

Ted


    That's the current rumor that was started by MacWEEK last month.

    How else would you accomplish this kind of an upgrade?

    Of course. This is Apple we are talking about here.


  BUT...  Suppose they had waited.  The WORST outcome would have been the
one that actually did.  But with the FBI/ATF just standing there watching
instead of being a part of the problem.  It then would have been very clear
exactly who was at fault then, rather than the way it turned out.

  AND, that would have been the WORST case.  The best would have been, they
finally get hungry and come out.  Possible/likely?  Well, the alternative was
worse...

  But what does it matter?  Why say "I don't remember...." when it doesn't
make any difference?  Altho the clintonettes have been pretty good at lying
when it wasn't necessary, they didn't do it this time.  But it wasn't
necessary - claiming full responsibility is a totall meaningless gesture.
Symbolism over substance - again!

  I've offered to take full responsibility.  When do they pay me the big
bucks the AG is making...????   ;^)
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I'm looking for a printer driver for the Apple Imagewriter II. (This printer
is actually the same as a Citoh 8510.

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In Article: 106628 of rec.sport.baseball,
<HEALEY@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> (Roger Healey)  wrote >>

Yes, the stance is new.  Don Baylor was his batting coach at St. Louis last
year, and now, as his manager, is continuing to work with him.  Maybe Andres
has a "weak" left eye and the open stance gives him a better look at the
ball.  Or maybe it is simply improving his mechanics - I dunno.  But the
change seems to have enabled him to hit the ball as well as 5 years ago.  His
selectivity has not changed.


I can certainly see opposing the "Amen" -- but that doesn't require
opposing a moment of silence.

Does anybody else besides me see a vicious circle here?  I guarantee
you the people who want school prayer aren't going to back off when
they can't even manage to get a quiet moment for their kids to pray
silently.


I would expect the EISA board to be more than twice as fast as the ISA
board.  Not only are you moving data on a path twice as wide (at
least), but there is a difference in the number of clocks required for
bus transactions between the two busses.  Most ISA boards require
multiple clocks per bus transaction -- typically this is around 3-4.
EISA boards are suppose to be able to 'burst' at a 1:1 rate, so I
would expect performance to be 6x-8x that of an ISA card.

So I guess, for me, the question is unanswered still.  I would expect
him to be able to see a 6x speed difference, and he apparently does
not.

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"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


I'm afraid I was not able to find the GIFs... is the list
updated weekly, perhaps, or am I just missing something?


If you are planning on using this on a regular basis, conncting the printer
to file can become bothersome because Windows then asks you for the filename
that you want to create. I've found that putting a line in system.ini in the
ports section with just a path and filename works. The only problem is that
if you send more than one job, the second one deletes the first.

Chris


Hi! This is my first time to post on this news group. Now a days , I have stucked at a certain problem. I have '88 mazda mx-6, non  turbo fuel injection.
   There is a engine warning signal on the dash board. While driving, this signal turns on, but not always. What does this mean? In the manual, they say "Go to authorized mazda dealer.". It is really good idea. Don't you think so?
  I wanna know how the engine warning signal comes. Is anybody out there who can give me same advice as "authorized mazda dealer" can give ?

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The best reason to abolishing the ATF is that they don't have enough
to do.  If the organization were disbanded and its duties assigned to
the FBI (firearms) and IRS (tobacco and alcohol).  Both of these
organizations have enough to do.  The FBI is probably not going to try
to get a criminal charge of illegal machine gun for having a broken
gun.

There have been postings stating that law enforcement should be
divided and and weak.  But there is nothing more dangerous to
liberties than a law enforcement agency without enough criminals to
chase.  The ATF is one and look at the trouble it started in
Waco.