Hi,
    Can somebody tell me step by step how to add a 40Mb IDE Kalok?
HD to an existing 120Mb IDE Maxtor HD with Stacker 3.0 and DOS 5?
I know how to set the jumpers on the 40M to be slave and the settings
for heads, wpcom, sectors, etc. I also know that I have to do some
CMOS settings and fdisk. The problem is: what letter will the CMOS
give the new drive? If it's D:, what will happen when Stacker creates
D: and swap? Can I tell CMOS to make it E:? So that if I Stack it, I
will have C, D, E and F?
    I know this could be an FAQ or in a readme somewhere, but I want
to hear from somebody who've actually done it. Thanks!
							     Romy


(I have been having trouble posting this article from within tin for over
a week. If you do get multiple copies, my apologies.)

Here is a challenge to Microsoft or Microsort Supporters to defend the
pathetic state of DOS 6 as an upgrade distribution -- it is a long story
but would make good reading for those who are interested in knowing the
potential pitfalls of "upgrading" to DOS 6 that I have been able to
notice after only about a week of playing around with it.

My envorinment
==============

TI TravelMate 4000 WinSX (486SX/25) 4M Ram 120M Disk
System BIOS version 1.03 05/21/92 by Texas Instruments
CL-GD6420 VGA BIOS v 1.03 a1 by Cirrus Logic & Quadtel
Advance Power Manager BATTERY.PRO v b6.00 by Texas Instruments
Smart Drive Cache (WIN3.1/DOS6) Parameters: 2048 1024 a- b-
Windows Benchmark WinBench(tm) v 3.11 02/11/93 by ZD Labs

After "updgrading" to DOS 6, I could not understand why certain things
became so slow, especially after I decided to try 'dblspace'.  In the
process of finding out why, I discovered some interesting things.

Disk Performance with Double Space and Smart Drive
==================================================

While most things did not appear to slow down most of the time, certain
applications appeared to run very much slower.  What was interesting is
that commands like 'chkdsk' and 'defrag' were running far too slowly to
consider them useful by any standards.  I suspected Double Space (DS)
and decided to measure its impact on my system using WinBench(tm).

The Real Disk WINMARK of 20350 for the original system (as shipped from
factory with DOS 5 and Windowws 3.1) became 10718 when "upgraded" to
DOS 6 with DS.  Thus there is an effective performance degradation of
more than 50 percent which did not really surprise me because I knew
that DS compression must cost something.

Specifically, for short sequential reads up to 512 bytes, DS actually
*improves* transfer rates by about 10% (because CPU being faster than
I/O, more CPU cycles needed for DS is more than compensated by savings
in I/O cycles).  However, for all other cases, particularly large
random writes, the transfers take up to three times as long.

While the performance depends on the type of access (i.e random or
sequential, small or large transfer units), on the average (based on
WinBench's assumptions), the disk slows down to half its speed.

The tests alone, done in 'real mode' (see WinBench) and with smartdrv
on, do not say much except that it helps to put into those subjective
statements like 'there is no noticable difference in performance' or
even that 'it will speed up disk access when you have a fast CPU and
slow disk I/O'.

This explained why some applications ran markedly slower, but not why
'chkdsk' and 'defrag' (the latter especially) too so long.

Double Space and Windows
========================

DBLSPACE will not run at all from within windows, not even if you
wanted to only to get information, not modify anything, or for that
matter even check on its usage -- try "fasthelp dblspace" in a dos box
within windows and you will see what I mean from the error message you
get.  How narrow minded can a programer get, I wonder.

Yes, this information can be obtained through the mstools.dd add-on to
file manager, but this 'mstools' dll does not understand a compressed
floppy!  (Use the DOS 6 supplement utility to create a compressed
floppy if you dont know how to.)

DOS 6 Defragmenter is incompatible with TI APM
==============================================

Defragmentation seemed to take too much time.  Even so, I waited
patiently till it finished and then ran it again to just to confirm.
This confirmation 'dblspace /def' command for the 120M drive should take
no more than 30 seconds (much faster on other defragmenters I have used)
but it took 12 minutes.

I discovered that if I moved the mouse, defragmentation checking ran
faster (the % figure ticked more rapidly).  It dawned on me that this
had to do with TI's battery saver Advanced Power Management (APM)
module which slows the clock down when it thinks that the CPU is idle,
and it obviously thought DS defragmentation was an idle process!  After
disabling the TI's power saver, this operation took only 20 seconds.

Microsft programmers think TI4000 and Gateway NOMAD users are idiots
====================================================================

In the readme.txt file, you can find the the following

	Running Microsoft Backup with TI4000 and Gateway NOMAD computers
	----------------------------------------------------------------
	To avoid a conflict between the Turbo feature and Microsoft Backup
	for Windows or MS-DOS, add a /L0 switch to the DEVICE command in
	your CONFIG.SYS that loads the BATTERY.PRO file. Or, before you
	run Microsoft Backup, type SETPOWER /L0 at the command prompt.

If you checked TI's manual on the /L0 option, you will realise that it
means "disable all power saving features of your notebook".  Why would
anyone want to run a driver disabled!  As I have found out, not only
does TI's power management interfere with Microsoft Backup as the
readme.txt claims, but 'chkdsk' and 'dblspace' (and who knows what
else) are crippled by the TI's power saver.

It is obvious that there is not such thing as APM specifications.  If
there indeed is such a thing, then either Microsoft programmers or TI
programmers dont know how to read these specifications.  You dont have
to guess as to who are the idiots.

By the way, if you run the advance power management utility, POWER.EXE

	Power Management Status
	-----------------------
	Setting =  ADV: MAX
	CPU: idle 60% of time.

This figure of 60% seems to be the steady state value on my notebook
when I am running nothing (windows with only program manager in
iconised form).  Does that mean that Windows takes up 40% of my CPU all
for itself, and that I have at best only 60% left for useful work?  Is
such an overhead justified  (whether or not Windows is an operating
system or just another user interface)?  (In DOS alone, it reports 99%
idle time.)  Looks like Windows is a good example of busy waiting type
of package that I like my students to study as the classical 'negative'
example of our times!

Microsoft programmers do not know batch programming
===================================================

I like to structure my startup script and thus have the equivalent of
addpath statements like this:

	set PATH=C:\DOS
	...
	set PATH=C:\ETC\BIN;%PATH%;C:\BIN
	...
	set PATH=C:\ETC\WINDOWS;%PATH%;C:\WINDOWS
	...
	set PATH=%PATH%;C:\BCC\BIN
	...
	set PATH=%PATH%;%MOUSE%

Even though the new dos was installed in the same directory as the old
one (i.e. c:\dos), DOS 6 installation program modifes each and every
path statement, and prepends C:\DOS to its value.  As a result, my
resultant path has so many DOS's.

If the installation program wanted to remove the old DOS path, and add
the new DOS path, clearly it has to only scan for the path statement
containg the old DOS directory and replace it by the new DOS path.
(Even this should only be done if the new DOS is installed in a
directory different from the old one being 'upgraded'.)

Instead, the Microsoft programmer (if you can call this person one)
decided to meddle every path statement I had in the autoexec and
prepend DOS to the value.  I wonder if Microsoft is so desparate that it
would not fire programmers who are incapable of the thought process.

I started a thread on this when DOS 4 came up, and the Microsoft
representative in Singapore called me about this poster.  In fact he
specifically said his US counterparts saw the poster and relayed the
information to him as he did not have access to internet.

Now that has not changed one bit.  In fact, if you have a PATH statement
with %PATH% already in it, is it not obvious that the this statement
should not be touched for any reason?

As another example of the inability of Microsoft programmers to
understand batch programming -- I had the mouse driver invoked as:

	set MOUSE=C:\ETC\MOUSE
	set PATH=%PATH%;%MOUSE%
	loadhigh %MOUSE%\MOUSE.COM

Guess what MEMMAKER did?  It replaced the last statement with

	LH ... C:\ETC\MOUSE\MOUSE.COM

Why is it so difficult just to replace loadhigh with LH and its
parameters, without touching the rest of the line, I do not understand.

DOS 6 Software Quality
======================

DOS 6 is the only operating system I know, in which, under normal usage,
you end up creating a file that you cannot get rid of using of the
commands that come with it.

I am deliberately being cryptic about this:  I challenge Microsoft to
use all its programmers to catch this bug and publish it.  If they dont
within a week, I will post how you can create this "ghost" file.

Surely if I can pick this bug without even looking for it after using a
particular command only twice, I am sure two dozen Microsoft (idiot)
programmers randomly banging on their keyboards over a week could find
it -- that is what I was told how Microsoft "tests the quality" of
their products.

I think it is funny that Microsoft has found ways to "test quality"
when it is accepted in the industry that quality cannot be tested, but
can only be built into the product.  No wonder they cannot provide any
form of guarantees on their products, not even a decent list of bugs
that will prevent scores of user from destroying their disks beyond
repair!

Also, if you run 'dblspace /def' often enough, repeatedly when the disk
is fully defragmented, you may get errors, that was created by the
defragmenters.  I got my IO.SYS file size error and it got truncated
when I did the chkdsk.  This happend only after five successive
defragmentation efforst after the first one supposedly did its job and
with no new file creation since.

Microsft, dont you dare reply to this poster on the network until you
admit that your DS has bugs, and are willing to let us know what we
should watch out for if we have already used DS.

Jaya


There seems to be a P
PDS slot in the above printers. What is it ?


Drivel.  I received delivery of my '93 Trans Am 7 weeks after I
ordered (promised 6-8 weeks), and paid $400 over dealer invoice,
which is a $1425 discount off of MSRP.  I only have about 370
miles on it, but so far no problems, and it seems very well put
together.  By the way, first year production will be about 60,000
cars.  Dealers would like you to think there is a shortage, but
considering they only sold about 90,000 F bodies last year and the
new model was introduced mid-year, that is not going to create a
shortage.  GM planning on ramping to about 160,000 F bodies next
year (according to a WSJ article).

Several people have mentioned seeing a photo of the '94 Mustang in
Popular Mechanics.  I saw a photo of it in Motor Trend January
1993 issue (p30).  Direct side on view.  Although they described
it as a "seriously handsome car with broad shoulders," I thought
it looked pretty boring in that view.  Roofline reminded me of a
Toyota Celica (yuch!).  Description of mechanicals same as has
been reported from the PM article.


How about going to a doctor to get some minor surgery done. Doctor
refuses to do it because it's ``to risky'' (still charges me $50!).
I go home and do it myself. No problem.

The ``surgery'' involved digging out a pine needle that had buried
itself under my tongue.


You have to do the same sorts of things that Xt does with its main loop.
That is, you have to rig up a timer queue, and you have to put a
select(2) or poll(2) call in your main loop.  You can obtain the
file descriptor of the X display connection using
    fd = ConnectionNumber (display);


I have a clone almost with no name generating 91k xstones on a 486/33Mhz
system.

Excuse me, but with a 486/50 256k cache, S3 928 ISA card, 8Mb XS3 (X11R5) running 386bsd  you can get 100k+ xstones at 1024x768 65Mhz which I doubt
that your XP10 series gets. Commerical verions X servers for S3 928 cards
can get 136k xstones. So the performance is there and additionally since
is running unix multiple users can use the system which I have done in
my home setup.

Maintenance is minimal if you can read README files for the X servers and
for 386bsd.

Amancio Hasty


1988 Toyota Supra, Fully loaded automatic.
Maroon color with leather interior.
Alpine stereo system with CD changer.
Alpine car alarm
90,000 miles, great condition, one owner.

Have to leave country in June.

Asking $9,000 o.b.o.

Please call (310) 212 - 5376 and ask for Cary.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bernard Lin				    Departmental Research Assistant
Computing and Information Services		Columbia Business School


Need Diet for Diverticular Disease
and ideas for gastrointestinal distress


This is hell.  Hasn't anyone noticed?


ram.page, n.: To move about wildly or violently.  A course of frenzied,
violent action.

Who assaulted who here, Phill?  Do you remember exactly which side came
out looking for trouble?

So if it turns out that the fire WAS caused by a tank knocking over a
Coleman lantern, you'll support punishing the "responsible" people, Phill?
Or will you find then find a different reason to hang it all on Koresh?
--


	If the FBI started the fire, why didn`t people flee the
burning building?


I'm wondering if I can tote my American touch tone phone around with me
to Sweden and Germany.  It's DC powered, and I can buy a special adapter
for that in Europe.  The question is if the general electronics work
the same.  I can buy a different wall plug and refit it (I'm sure I'd
have to), but would that do the trick?


  Hello, I hope this is the right group to post this in.
  I've got a little problem.  I finally managed to get a REAL operating
system (Linux, as opposed to MS-Dos) and I like it alot.  But, when I
try to run 'startx', I get a strange response: My monitor goes into
graphics mode and I get this big white rectangle on the screen - that's
all! Nothing else!  Now, I've collected almost every FAQ in the world to
help me but either it's too confusing or I must be missing something.
  My setup:
	386DX (about 20Mhz)
	Trident 8900C SVGA (w/1 Meg)
	4 MB RAM
	Plenty of HD space
Any help is appreciated.
Thanx.


Does antone know the ftp address for the Smithsonian Institution
where one can get digitized photographs, etc ?
Please reply by email to
pbenson@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Thanks


I would have appreciated an announcement of the policy change -
Dartmouth will not be able to run xv 3.0, and I'm probably going
to have to take v2 off line (I somehow missed the "shareware"
designation in the README of v2, and didn't realize that we were
supposed to register).

I also debate whether this, with the new "institutions must pay"
policy belongs in the contrib directory on export - to me, "contrib"
means "contributed" (i.e. no strings, except copyright) attached.


  Your source is wrong.  The double speed CD300 is still slow compared to a
typical hard disk.  The LC can easily handle the SCSI transfer rate of the
CD300.  None of the current Macs, even the Quadras, support SCSI-2 unless
you get a SCSI-2 Nubus Card.

  You don't have to have double speed to use PhotoCD.  It's just faster
reading images off of a disk.  I think that the CD150 can handle PhotoCD,
but only single session.  The CD300 can do multisession PhotoCD.


We were told that the resolution on the 5FGe could only go to 1024x768.

And that the 5 FG could go to 1152x870.

Has anybody tried running these higher resolutions??

Somewhere I thought I read that the 1152x870 on a 17" monitor may make the
type too small to read.

Any help would be appreciated.
Steve


The Christian Reformed Church does not allow people to belong to lodges,
the Reformed Church in America does.  The conservatives in both churches
are very similar, as are the "progressives".  The RCA currently ordains
women; the CRC is fighting over the issue.


Sorry Mike! What defensemen would the Wings be willing to give up for Beezer?


While I agree that Lemieux deserves the Hart, it is far from a "no-brainer".
The Hart trophy goes to the player most valuable to his team, not to the best
player in the league. So your above arguement is really worthless.

The Pens without Mario are still a damn good hockey team. The Leafs without
Gilmour would have been fighting Tampa Bay for the 3rd pick.

Like I said, Mario deserves it, IMHO. But it is a very close race and a
Gilmour victory would not surprise me. I dislike Doug Gilmour with a passion,
but I must concede that he is extremely valuable to the Leafs.


Umpires are not required to call time out just because a player
asks for time. Only in extreme cases, like dust in the pitcher's
or hitter's eyes, should an umpire call time.

The batter has 20 seconds to get situated in the box and receive
a pitch. I'm against putting a giant clock (or any size clock
for that matter) up to count down 20 seconds between pitches and
the minute for warm-ups. But I think umpires should tell hitters
to go to hell if they step out to get the sign or whatever, and
instruct the pitcher to pitch. The same goes for pitchers. Umps
should tell them to pitch or feint within 20 seconds or a ball
will be called. That's the way it should be.

Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine


I get the feeling that we are debating at cross-purposes--that we
do not see the same fundamental assumptions, and this perhaps makes
my answers orthogonal to your questions.  I will try again.

Perhaps you believe that nothing exists aside from objectively
observable and provable things.  In that case, I cannot show you
that there is such thing as a spirit or a spiritual need--these
things do not exist in the realm of the objective, but in the
realm of the subjective.

(By a.a., I assume you mean Alcoholics Anonymous, and not alt.atheism ;)
I would not say that AA "handles" spiritual needs.  Rather I would say
that AA (and other 12-step programs) help people come to terms with their
needs--ie that AA is facilitating the recovery, and that as part of the
recovery, they recognize their spiritual needs, and begin to rely on a "higher
power" (12-step's term) to fill them instead of whatever substance abuse
they had been accustomed to.  (Sorry, there is no objective proof here
either--no way to take 2 identical alcoholics and try to have one recover
by fulfilling spiritual needs, and one without and externally compare the
difference--we are talking about the virtually infinite complexity of
*people* here.)

Spiritual needs could be defined as things that people need in addition to
physical requirements like air, food, sleep, etc.  These are things like
the need for love and acceptance, and the need for meaning in life.  If
one denies the existence of spiritual things, one would presumably call
these "emotional needs". The reason Christians call them spiritual needs
is that they have aspects that are not fulfillable except by spiritual
means--ie a person could be loved and accepted by many people, and do
many meaningful things, but still have a need for love, which can only be
satisfied by the love of God.  Now the problem is that there are people who
accept the existence of these needs, and people who reject them.  Since I
believe in absolute truth, some of these people are right, and the others
are wrong.  So here are the 2 possibilities:

1) If Christians are right, then we all have spiritual needs--ie
we all need God.  Those who do not realize that they need God are
deluded--they just haven't recognized it yet.

2) If Christians are wrong, spiritual needs are an artefact of our brain
chemicals.  Well-adjusted and properly-integrated personalities do not
have such things.  Christians are simply using the concept of God and
spiritual needs to mask their own inadequacies.

I hate to belabour the point, but the existence of spirits and spiritual
needs cannot be objectively demonstrated or proven, just like the existence
of God cannot.  And yes, this means that there is a risk that all my subjective
evidence is manufactured by my brain chemicals.  But on the other hand, I
could venture into solipsism and say that there is a risk that everything that
I appear to objectively know is really manufactured by my brain chemicals.

I suspect this is an unsatisfactory answer to a request for evidence and
demonstration of the existence of spirits and spiritual needs, but my assertion
is that such things are not objectively demonstrable.  As I have said before,
I myself am on the Christian side of agnosticism, having been pushed off the
fence by subjective evidence.  (And no, I was not raised a Christian, so it
is not a case of simply accepting what I was indoctrinated with.)


...

Update:

	No, I or my friends with me now have not delt with him, but we
did try to call him, and there's no answer at his phone.

	The call was made at midnight EST; God knows what time that is
in Arizona.

	We'll try again later.

	Anybody want to saturate his mail box?


Only because you are apparently easy to fool.  In other words, your
remark is obviously from someone who wouldn't know the difference.

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


--

My wife is a physiotherapist and she is looking for some cliparts of
skeleton and male/female body.  We're currently using Windows Draw
which can import all kind of graphic formats.  Therefore, anything
will do.

Please advise of the existance of any freeware or commerical source
that we can turn to.  Since I don't normally read this newsgroup,
please responds via e-mail.

Thanks in advance.


completed

Why would you dispose a channel if you are going to play more
sounds soon? If you are trying to write a game, you shouldn't
be using SndPlay. Instead, make a channel and use BufferCmds
to play sounds on it. It works great. You can add CallBacks to
the channel also to let you know when the channel is getting
empty. Before it gets empty.

7.1,

Callbacks are very reliable, I found them 100% reliable, even
under System 4.1. I was doing continuous background sound with
interrupting sound effects on System 6.0 with the IM-V
documentation.

You probably were cancelling your callback commands out of
your channels, of course you didn't get called. In general, if
you have problems with sounds working when you play one per
channel and then close the channel (with the related
slowdown), but then when you play more than one you don't
work, then you are adding more than one synthesizer to a
channel, possibly the same one multiple times. This might be
because you are calling SndPlay on a preexisting channel with
a sound resource which adds the sampled sound synthesizer to
the channel first thing before it plays. Most sampled sounds
have this command at the start of them. You need to resedit
the sound and remove that command, then when you create your
channel, specify the sampled sound synthesizer to be the
channel's synth. Then you can use asynch sndplay's all you
want. You'll probably want to switch to BufferCmd's, since you
are going to have to use SndDoCommand anyway to add callbacks.

Now before you go ahead and tell me I am full of it, and the
sound manager doesn't work for games, remember, Spectre uses
it. And it works great. If Spectre can spare the CPU time, you
can too.

One little disclaimer: There are some out there who say the
Sound Manager in the IIsi can't be made to work right. I'm not
sure either way, but I know for sure that you can make your
sounds work 100% correctly on every other machine using the
Sound Manager.


It was a classy move.  But it looks like ESPN is going to devote most of
the coverage to the Pens.  On Tuesday night, they continued to broadcast
the Pen-Devil game even though Pittsburgh had the game well in control.
Granted they did show some "bonus" coverage of the Caps and Isles but
they cut away from the close game, which went into double ot, to update
us on the fifth goal of the rout.
Thursday was a good game even if it was the second straight game between
the pens and devils.  IMHO they should program some variety into the
telecasts.(Yes I know the game shown on saturday is between the B's and
Sabres, probably throwing a bone to us Bruin fans.)
And what about the Cambell conference?  I'd like to see a game in the
Norris or Smythe.  Why not have back to back nights of National
Hockey Night?

Just a thought.


Anyone have experiences, good or bad, with replacing the MFM controller
and drive with an IDE controller and drive in a Zenith 386/16? I had
heard some rumors about bus mastering problems on some CPU board
revisions.


I'd have to agree with you there Joe.


Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature
Coolant Temperature
Manifold Vacuum
Ammeter, Voltmeter

Fuel Pressure [maybe] (Problematic, since you either need an electronic
sensor/gauge pair or you have to mount the damn thing outside the car)

In addition, it'd be nice to have a big red idiot light 'Check Guages'
connected to Oil pressure, Oil Temp, Coolant Temp, Ammeter &
Voltmeter.  With heaps of guages, it's hard to look at them all all
the time.  In the case of oil pressure, for example, you want to know
right away if your oil pump goes bad, unlike coolant temperature, a
minute or two of 0 oil pressure would be A Very Bad Thing(tm).

Adam


Hello out there!

My Mac IIsi runs a Radius Pivot LE monitor, with the PDS card.

As I wanted to try to switch to 32 bit adressing, i couldn't startup my Mac
anymore.

1.	What is the trick to zap the PRAM (so I won't have to take out the
battery next time)

2.	Is there any trick that could allow me to switch to 32bit?

3.	What does 32bit adressing bring to me as an user? faster work?

4.	Any chance to have more than 8Mb of adressable memory with 24bit
adressing?

Thank you a lot for your answers (via mail or reply)


I have a '72 CL350 which I stopped riding about 2 years ago (I upgraded
to an '84 Sabre 750).  I parked it in the corner of my parking lot, and planned
on draining the gas, spraying oil in the tank, etc. to get it ready to store.
Well, after a lot of procrastination, all I ended up doing was throwing a
tarp on it.

Well, now I have to move and want to clean up the 350.  I tried starting it
(with someone else's battery) and had no luck.  My first guess is that it is
the gas and so I plan on draining it and replacing it with new gas (I can only
pray that I didn't trash the carbeurators).  The question is, what do I do
with this old gas?  I am not going to run it in my Sabre, and I think that
there is enough that I don't want to burn it (campus police don't think
too kindly about bonfires).  Dumping it isn't a great idea.

Thanks for any ideas,
George Heinz

----
Win the $1,000,000 question -- what does this C code do? (No fair compiling it)


Yup, I bought the darn thing cause it was sturdy. I carry it around in
an unpadded (unless you consider all the papers and files and folders)
bookbag (shoulder strap little job from Eddie Bauer). I've travelled
cross country several times with Walkman, DiscMan and tapes, books and
computer all piled in their. My PB100 works happily, and I'm typing on
it right now... It has a Global Village Teleport 9600 V.32 internal
send/receive fax-modem, and I just love it.

Unfortunately, I have seen a new Duo 230 that a friend bought as a
primary computer (I have a Mac IIsi and SE30 as primary home
computers, and Quadra and IIci at work in the lab). And while amazed
at the lightness of it, I was kinda shocked at the flimsiness of the
screen. I'm sure it'd break real easy....
Geez, we are a Sony familly. Our neighbor works for Zeinth and hates
it (always asks why we didn't buy Zeinth products). Nice guy
nevertheless. We still have two working Sony Color Trinitrons from
1972 and 1974. Older one is on it's second picture tube, but both
work. Now they're relegated to the old 8-bit atari computer and atari
2600 game machinces, as well as our not-that-old younger sister's
Nintendo game machine. Sony doesn't make TV's like they used to
though, the newer Mexican assembly-line TV's are not that reliable or
sharp anymore... Dad also just got a 35" direct-view Sony (god, the
thing weighs a ton!). :)  Still, where would we be without Trinitrons,
CD players, or the veritable Walkman????


If you wanted to send your own letter to the NHL where would you send it?
Brett E. Ball


[Joe, why don't you put your username on your account?]

Or claims to have discovered so...  It would hardly be the first time
they raided someone based on incorrect evidence.

It was a "no-knock", according to the Associated Press report.
Here's something I found in my collection:

    Excerpts from an article in the Knoxville News-Sentinel Final
    Edition Monday, March 1, 1993 (the byline is associated press):

    WACO, Texas - Fierce gun battles erupted Sunday as more than 100
    law officers tried to arrest the leader of a heavily armed
    religious cult.  At least four federal agents and two cult members
    were reported killed.  [...]

    The gun battles began when federal agents hidden in livestock
    trailers stormed the sect's head-quarters Sunday morning,
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    witnesses said.  The agents had warrants to search for guns and
    explosives and to arrest Howell, said Les Stanford of the ATF in
    Washington.  [...]

    Witnesses said the law officers stormed the compound's main home,
    throwing concussion grenades and screaming "Come out," while three
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    National Guard helicopters approached.  For a moment, there was no
    response.  Then the shooting began.

I think "storming the sect's head-quaters" and "throwing concussion
grenades" qualifies as a no-knock (or perhaps an illegal assault).

                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Probably not.  But then again, neither are you.

                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And just what is "his background"?  What prior crimes had he been
CONVICTED of?

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry, BATF are "Federal TAX Enforcement officials".  They're not
police, nor do they have police powers.

--
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931


Actually, I was hoping for Barry Bonds.  Oh well.

First off, Jeff has had like 5 hits in the last two games, and walked
*yet again*.  Sorry Ken, but Jeff King does have some power, which
means his SLG won't be below .300, and his walks are *way* up.  If
that increase is real, Jeff King will be an above average NL third
baseman in 1993.  Jose Lind, on the other hand, *still* doesn't walk,
and clearly isn't a .320 hitter.  My bet is that he won't be getting
any extra bases either once everybody starts pulling the "Lind Shift"
we were seeing in the NL.

No, although since the Lavalliere weirdness, nothing would really
surprise me.  Jeff King is currently in the top 10 in the league in
*walks*.  Something is up...


There is no reason to believe that Paul's thorn in the flesh was
a sin in his life.  That makes little sense in the light of Paul'
writings taken in totality.  He writes of how he presses for the
mark, and keeps his body submitted.  No doubt Paul had to struggle
with the flesh just like every Christian.  Paul does associate his
thorn with a Satanic messenger, and with physical infirmities and tribulation,
but not with a sin in his life.


 I have a copy of 'The Earth-From Space' on my wall that I purchased
from Space Shots, Inc. (LA, CA  (800) 272-2779).  As printed on the
poster, the image was created by Tom Van Sant and the GeoSphere Project.
The image IS copyrighted, so I doubt that you'll find it legally in
the public domain.  Part of the proceeds from the sale of the image go to the
GeoSphere Project (an environmental education thing), and the cost is
nominal, so crack a 20 and buy one!  Also, I don't think it's always
safe to assume that just because the government 'funded' a project, any
products will be provided for free.  Many government agencies (NASA, NOAA)
and some private groups (National Geographic) provided assistance to the
GeoSphere Project.  This collaboration seems to be mostly oriented to
educating the public, rather than pure research.


NOTE: Saturday, April 20th's scores should be sent out by this coming Friday.

	     MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 20th, 1993
	                   (including yesterday's games)

NATIONAL WEST	      Won  Lost   Pct.    GB   Last 10  Streak    Home   Road
San Francisco Giants   08   05    .615    --     7-3     Won 1   05-02  03-03
Houston Astros         07   05    .583   0.5     7-3     Won 1   02-04  05-01
Atlanta Braves         07   07    .500   1.5     4-6    Lost 1   04-03  03-04
Los Angeles Dodgers    06   07    .462   2.0     4-6     Won 3   03-03  03-04
San Diego Padres       05   07    .417   2.5     5-5     Won 3   03-04  02-03
Colorado Rockies       04   07    .364   3.0     4-6    Lost 1   03-03  01-04
Cincinnati Reds        03   09    .250   4.5     2-8     Won 1   02-04  01-05

NATIONAL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies  09   03    .750    --     7-3     Won 1   05-01  04-02
Pittsburgh Pirates     07   05    .583   2.0     5-5    Lost 3   03-02  04-03
St. Louis Cardinals    07   05    .583   2.0     6-4    Lost 3   04-02  03-03
New York Mets          06   05    .545   2.5     5-5    Lost 1   02-03  04-02
Chicago Cubs           06   06    .500   3.0     5-5    Lost 1   03-03  03-03
Montreal Expos         06   06    .500   3.0     5-5     Won 1   03-03  03-03
Florida Marlins        04   08    .333   5.0     3-7    Lost 1   02-04  02-04

AMERICAN WEST         Won  Lost   Pct.    GB   Last 10  Streak    Home   Road
Texas Rangers          08   03    .727    --     7-3     Won 2   04-02  04-01
California Angels      06   04    .600   1.5     6-4    Lost 1   03-02  03-02
Minnesota Twins        06   05    .545   2.0     6-4    Lost 1   03-03  03-02
Chicago White Sox      05   07    .417   3.5     4-6    Lost 3   02-03  03-04
Seattle Mariners       05   07    .417   3.5     4-6     Won 1   03-02  02-05
Oakland Athletics      04   06    .400   3.5     4-6    Lost 4   04-02  00-04
Kansas City Royals     03   09    .250   5.5     3-7     Won 1   01-05  02-04

AMERICAN EAST
Boston Red Sox         10   03    .769    --     7-3     Won 3   06-01  04-02
Detroit Tigers         07   05    .583   2.5     7-3    Lost 1   05-01  02-04
Toronto Blue Jays      07   05    .583   2.5     6-4     Won 1   04-02  03-03
New York Yankees       06   06    .500   3.5     5-5    Lost 2   03-03  03-03
Milwaukee Brewers      04   05    .444   4.0     4-5     Won 2   02-02  02-03
Cleveland Indians      05   08    .385   5.0     3-7    Lost 1   04-03  01-05
Baltimore Orioles      04   07    .364   5.0     4-6     Won 1   02-03  02-04

			     YESTERDAY'S SCORES
                  (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order)

NATIONAL LEAGUE				AMERICAN LEAGUE

Houston Astros	      PPD		Chicago White Sox	0
Chicago Cubs	     RAIN		Boston Red Sox		6

Atlanta Braves       IDLE		Toronto Blue Jays	7
Cincinnati Reds      IDLE		Cleveland Indians	1

Colorado Rockies     IDLE		Seattle Mariners       10
Florida Marlins      IDLE		Detroit Tigers		6

Los Angeles Dodgers  IDLE		Baltimore Orioles    IDLE
Montreal Expos       IDLE		California Angels    IDLE

New York Mets        IDLE		Kansas City Royals   IDLE
Philadelphia PhilliesIDLE		Milwaukee Brewers    IDLE

Pittsburgh Pirates   IDLE		Minnesota Twins      IDLE
St. Louis Cardinals  IDLE		New York Yankees     IDLE

San Francisco Giants IDLE		Oakland Athletics    IDLE
San Diego Padres     IDLE		Texas Rangers        IDLE
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: At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was
: des encryped
: and the person that had sent it, went on vaction.  Rather than wait
: two weeks
: I set up a straight frontal attack with one key at a time.  It only
: took two(2)
: days to crack the file.  No, I don't have any faith in DES.

Then it was either _really_ good luck or you had some _very_ fast
machine.  DES has 2^56 possible keys, each two of which are simply
to convert into each other, so you have to expect 2^54 trial encryptions
in the mean case, assuming known plaintext.
2^54 / 2 / (24*60*60) / 1000000 is ca. 104250.
So you must have managed to do 104250 encryptions per microsecond.
CE Infosys builds a very fast DES chip that manages 2 (!) encryptions
per microsecond.

Yes, I'm not very seriously bothered about the security of DES yet;
though you might prefer to use triple DES or IDEA, both of which
use more key bits.

joerg

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I wrote that I thought that 2 Peter 1:20 meant, "no prophecy of
Scripture (or, as one reader suggests, no written prophecy) is
merely the private opinion of the writer."

Tony Zamora replies (Sat 8 May 1993) that this in turn implies that
it is not subject to the private interpretation of the reader
either. I am not sure that I understand this.
     In one sense, no statement by another is subject to my private
interpretation. If reliable historians tell me that the Athenians
lost the Pelopennesian War, I cannot simply interpret this away
because I wanted the Athenians to win. Facts are facts and do not go
away because I want them to be otherwise.
     In another sense, every statement is subject to private
interpretation, in that I have to depend on my brains and
expereience to decide what it means, and whether it is sufficiently
well attested to merit my assent. Even if the statement occurs in an
inspired writing, I still have to decide, using my own best
judgement, whether it is in fact inspired. This is not arrogance --
it is just an inescapable fact.


Just create the window in the place you want it and set the program
position field in the WM_NORMAL_HINTS property, then map it.

Then, assuming they have a non brain dead window manager, the user can
say whether they want to us program specified positions or not. For
tvtwm the UsePPosition command in the .tvtwmrc will do this.

Now, I'm sure that by the time this message gets out of our local news
timewarp someone will have advised you to set the user position bit in
the WM_NORMAL_HINTS. _Do_not_ do this. It's evil. It's a disservice to
your users. Offler the tusked crocodile god will come in the night and
remove your vital organs with a blunt spoon if you even contemplate
it.


Well, watching several Denizen's dismantle Laurie's Virago in an
attempt to change the oil at the ride 'n feed a few years back was a
pretty funny site.  Surely with the combined wisdom of all these folks
they weren't doing things the hard way, were they?


Me too. Even after I bought the 3-piece Krauser K2 set.  Now and then,
DK puts them on sale for 50 bux or so to clear out inventory, but they
never seem to to go away.  They are the Volkswagens of tank bags, I guess.

BTW, the late Paul O' Neill showed me a trick with a pair of pliers that
will extend their life considerably.  When the zipper starts to separate
behind the pull (because of age and wear), squash the pull body with the
pliers just a bit to tighten it back up.  I would have tossed my bag three
years ago, but this fixed it up and kept it secure and reliable.


GK>Occasionally, I have trouble shifting into reverse.  The shifter
GK>refuses to enter the gate, and I often grind the synchros trying to
GK>get it into gear.  I'll be watching this carefully in the next couple
GK>of months.

Enter 1st, wait 2-3 seconds and then go into reverse.  They use the same
synchros, and you'll never (at least I haven't) ground-em-to-fit when using
this technique.


: In article <1993May12.193454.29823@hal.com>, bobp@hal.com (Bob Pendleton) writes...
: >From article <1993May7.235404.22590@pony.Ingres.COM>, by mwmeyer@Ingres.COM (Mike (wading through the muck and) Meyer):
: >>    This is getting pretty silly. First off, "Hacker" is an obsolete term.
: >>    Doesn't matter what it used to mean, today it means "thief."
: >>
: >> It only means "thief" if you want it to mean that.  To me, it means

:   [Lots of context wickedly omitted by myself :-) ]
: >
: >Anyway, if I say "Joe is a hacker" to most english speaking people who
: >know the word they'll probably think he is either a poor golfer or a
: >bad carpenter. But there are very very few people who will think he is
: >a good and clever programmer. :-)
: >
: >If you chose to call yourself by a term that means "thief" don't be
: >surprised when people think you are a thief. Even if you don't agree
: >with that definition of the word.
:       ^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^
:  [....] The narrower view that a hacker, when
:  associated with the computing environment, is a dishonest
:  expert is not so widespread, I'm my opinion, at least with the
:  people involved with the field. IMHO the wider meaning is not
:  obsolete at all, no matter how much the lay press would like it to
:  be!  [....]

:  Therefore I conclude that if you call yourself a hacker, and somebody
:  perceives you as a thief, then this person belongs to a very very
:  small group that has some computer knowledge, but not enough to know
:  the wider (and original) meaning of the word.  [....]

Unfortunately, the general public has a very narrow view of the deep, dark
recesses of the art of computing.  What little they do see is from the view
given to them by the media.  From what I have seen from the media, 'hacker'
is not a proper way by which to refer to a respected person.

I, on the other hand, know what 'hacker' means from those who consider
themselves such.  Following is the definition from "Jargon File 2.9.10".
(This is also known as the "Hackers Dictionary".)  The definitions are
arranged in order of decreasing frequency of usage:

   :hacker: [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] n.
     1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable
     systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most
     users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary.  2. One who
     programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys
     programming rather than just theorizing about programming.  3. A
     person capable of appreciating {hack value}.  4. A person who is
     good at programming quickly.  5. An expert at a particular program,
     or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in 'a UNIX
     hacker'.  (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who
     fit them congregate.)  6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind.  One
     might be an astronomy hacker, for example.  7. One who enjoys the
     intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing
     limitations.  8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to
     discover sensitive information by poking around.  Hence 'password
     hacker', 'network hacker'.  See {cracker}.

     The term 'hacker' also tends to connote membership in the global
     community defined by the net (see {network, the} and
     {Internet address}).  It also implies that the person described
     is seen to subscribe to some version of the hacker ehic (see
     {hacker ethic, the}).

     It is better to be described as a hacker by others than to describe
     oneself that way.  Hackers consider themselves something of an
     elite (a meritocracy based on ability), though one to which new
     members are gladly welcome.  There is thus a certain ego
     satisfaction to be had in identifying yourself as a hacker (but if
     you claim to be one and are not, you'll quickly be labeled
     {bogus}).  See also {wannabee}.

   :hacker ethic, the: n.  1. The belief that information-sharing
     is a powerful positive good, and that it is an ethical duty of
     hackers to share their expertise by writing free software and
     facilitating access to information and to computing resources
     wherever possible.  2. The belief that system-cracking for fun
     and exploration is ethically OK as long as the cracker commits
     no theft, vandalism, or breach of confidentiality.

     Both of these normative ethical principles are widely, but by no
     means universally) accepted among hackers. Most hackers subscribe
     to the hacker ethic in sense 1, and many act on it by writing and
     giving away free software.  A few go further and assert that
     *all* information should be free and *any* proprietary
     control of it is bad; this is the philosophy behind the {GNU}
     project.

     Sense 2 is more controversial: some people consider the act of
     cracking itself to be unethical, like breaking and entering.
     But this principle at least moderates the behavior of people who
     see themselves as `benign' crackers (see also {samurai}).  On
     this view, it is one of the highest forms of hackerly courtesy
     to (a) break into a system, and then (b) explain to the sysop,
     preferably by email from a {superuser} account, exactly how it
     was done and how the hole can be plugged --- acting as an
     unpaid (an unsolicited) {tiger team}.

     The most reliable manifestation of either version of the hacker
     ethic is that almost all hackers are actively willing to share
     technical tricks, software, and (where possible) computing
     resources with other hackers.  Huge cooperative networks such as
     {USENET}, {Fidonet} and Internet (see {Internet address})
     can function without central control because of this trait; they
     both rely on and reinforce a sense of community that may be
     hackerdom's most valuable intangible asset.

:  Finally, a true hacker does not name himself/herself one, for this is
:  a title that is bestowed by the befuddled sysadmins and users at large.
: To me, a sign of a truly great hacker is to be introduced to someone who
: says "Nahh, I just know a thing or two, people always exagerate..." :-)

Note that the above definition does not preclude a hacker from describing
limself (meaning: himself/herself) one, but simply says that it is better
not to do so.  There are many who do not know the meaning of 'hacker'.  So,
in order to defend the true meaning of the word, it is sometimes necessary
to borrow on the reputation of a known (respected) hacker around the
workplace.  (This means that 'hacker' is defined in terms of some well-known
and respected person.)  Sometimes, there may only be one such person.

: >No matter what Mr. Dumpty says, language doesn't work that way.
:  Actually it does, you just have to get adequate press coverage... :-)

Language works anyway that we want it to work.  The purpose of language is
to communicate.  To oversimplify: As long as communication is taking place,
then language is working.


Yes, each is a form of the other.

Charley an anarchist?  No, just true words being spoken in jest.


russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes...

	It's fairly simple. It was decided to burn the place down,
	and more than one agent was dispatched to set the fires in
	separate parts of the compound. I doubt that "simultaneously"
	means "at the exact same time" in this case. It likely means
	"close enough together to preclude them from being part of
	the same fire."

	They might be waiting until the evidence comes in from the
	site, and the investigation is at least well underway.

	The same could be said of Jonestown.

	Maybe. Then again, I've been suprised at what folks have missed
	in the past in similar situations. Don't jump t oconclusions.

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#Recently, I've asked myself a rather interesting question: What RIGHT does
#god have on our lives (always assuming there is a god, of course...!) ??
#
#In his infinite wisdom, he made it perfectly clear that if we don't live
#according to his rules, we will burn in hell. Well, with what RIGHT can god
#make that desicion? Let's say, for the sake of argument, that god creates
#every one of us (directly or indirectly, it doesn't matter.). What then
#happens, is that he first creates us, and then turns us lose. Well, I didn't
#ask to be created.
#
#Let's make an analogue. If a scientist creates a unique living creature
#(which has happened, it was even patented...!!!), does he then have the
#right to expect it to behave in a certain matter, or die...?

Dear Joakim, let me begin by saying that these are excellent questions,
but that by asking, you will find as many different explanations as there
are respondents.  As a Latter-day Saint, I believe that all of us (you,
me, etc.) lived once as spirit-children of God the Father (Hebrews 12:9)
in the pre-mortal existance. In order to continue our eternal progression,
an earthly probationary time was required.  (To live by faith, not by
sight, to choose good over evil, and to prepare ourselves in all things
to become worthy of a higher order of existance.)  We believe that all of
God's spirit-offspring were once assembled to discuss the specifics of
this earthly sojourn.  One-third chose for Lucifer's plan, most followed
the Firstborn (the pre-mortal Jesus Christ).  Lucifer's aspirations ("I
will exalt my throne above the stars of God . . ." Isaiah 14:12-17, etc.)
resulted into the rebellion of his followers against the Firstborn and
those who followed Him, resulting in the casting out of Lucifer (who
became Satan, the father of lies) and one-third of the hosts of heaven
("And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast
them to the earth . . ." Revelation 12:4) as demons (evil spirits).

To get back on OUR choice to be born on this earth, and to be subject to
God and His plan (for good or bad, based upon our obedience and choices),
we made that choice individually.  (God speaking to Job: "Where wast thou
when I laid the foundations of the earth, . . . when the morning stars
sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:4-7).  We
lost the knowledge of our pre-mortal existance (the "Veil of Forgetful-
ness," somewhere in Psalms), in order to live by faith, not by sight.

You may not accept this scenario, neither do quite a few who rely on the
Bible alone, which offers only fragmentary insights into this particular
aspect of our existence as individuals, as sons and daughters of God.

#Who is god to impose its rules on us ? Who can tell if god is REALLY so
#righteous as god likes us to believe? Are all christians a flock of sheep,
#unable to do otherwise that follow the rest?
#
#Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

(All Christians, by definition, ARE a flock of sheep, following the Shepherd
as they understand Him  ;-)  --But in any event, not all Christians believe
in the same theology, such as the one Latter-day Saints believe in.  (They
will cry "heresy" and other accusations of "perverting" the doctrines of
the Bible, while they themselves believe in a myriad of interpretations, as
found in their catechisms and various do-it-yourself Bible-study manuals...)

As for me, I have a personal conviction that the pre-existance scenario as
explained above, is most in harmony with Biblical doctrine, some Dead Sea
Scroll books, the pseudographion, other (Jewish) sources, and last but not
least, modern-day revelation on the subject.

#I just want to point out that this is not sarcasm, I mean it.
#
#                        How should one deal with a man who is convinced that
#                        he is acting according to God's will, and who there-
#     Jokke              fore believes that he is doing you a favour by
#                        stabbing you in the back?
#
#                                                        -Voltaire


:
: >|> Has anyone got multiverse to work ?
: >|>          Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts
:
: I've tried compiling it on several SPARCstations with gcc 2.22.  After
: fixing up a few bugs (3 missing constant definitions plus a couple of
: other things) I got it to compile & link, but after starting client
: & server I just get a black window; sometimes the client core dumps,
: sometimes the server, sometimes I get a broken pipe, sometimes it
: just sits there doing nothing although I occassionally get the
: cursor to become a cross-hair in dog-fight, but that's it.  I've
: sent word to the author plus what I did to fix it last week, but
: no reply as yet.
:
: Peter K. Campbell
: p.campbell@trl.oz.au

I've discovered a bug in the libraries/parser/parser.c loadcolour function where it was generating a segmentation fault.  It appears the colourList[] is geting corrupted somehow.  I had it return random colours instead and everything worked great (except for a few colour problems) so I know its the only thing wrong.

The colour table somehow gets a couple of nulls placed in it so when the "name" of the colours are compared it crashes.  I haven't found the problem yet maybe someone else can.


I think you have are addressing the wrong issue. The situation
is more like: we both see some elves. This is established as
fact since we can both touch them etc. Then one of us says, the
elves have always been with us. The other says, no no there was
a time before elves were here. Which is the positive argument?


You can do a whole hell of a lot better than 2 or 3 degrees with
the differential timing measurements from the interplanetary network.
Ignore the directional information from BATSE; just look at the time
of arrival.  With three detectors properly arranged, one can often
get positions down to ~arc minutes.

BTW, about Oort cloud sources: shouldn't this be testable in the
fairly near future?  Some of the GRBs have very short rise times (< 1
ms).  We could detect the curvature of the burst wavefront out to a
distance of on the order of b^2/(t c) where b is the detector spacing
and t the time resolution.  For t = 1 ms and b = 2 AU, this is on the
order of 16 light years.  I understand statistics will reduce this
number considerably, as would geometry if the burst is coming from the
wrong direction.


Yer welcome to ride with me and my friends any time.  Just introduce your
self at the earliest opportunity and say "Mind if I rid with you guys?"

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----


I agree with Jeff's reply.  I've never changed the brake fluid except when
having a brake job, which is usually at around 80,000 miles (alot of
freeway driving).  However, I will start to do this as preventative
maintenance on my new car.  Also, there are brake system flushing agents
that can be used but the problem is that if any of the agent is left in the
system, it can cause problems, so it's been recommended NOT to use them unless
you are 100% certain that you can remove all of the flushing agent.  Just for
your info, I was quoted a price of: labor=$29.95 and fluid=$9.95 for
flushing the brake system; this in conjunction with a break job so I don't
know if it was more without the brake job. This is in the S.F Bay Area.


ISBN 0-13-747270-6


Question for those of you who seem to be fundamentalists (Stephen
Tice, the Cotera, Joe Gaut, et al)(apologies if I've mislabelled any
of you, I've only started reading t.r.m since the BD disaster.  But I
know the Cotera is a fundy) and are defending Koresh and his beliefs
as an example of True Christianity under persecution from the the Big
Bad Secular State: what is your opinion of his reported sexual habits?
If the reports are accurate, what IYO does this say about the quality of
his Christianity?  Or are the allegations just part of the Big
Cover-Up?

(I remain deliberately neutral on the cause of the fire: I wouldn't
put it past Koresh to have torched the place himself.  On the other
hand, if the propane-tank-accident story is correct, I wouldn't put it
past the FBI to try to cover its ass by claiming Koresh did it.  I
hope your government does a VERY thorough investigation of the whole
debacle, and I'll be disappointed if a few heads don't roll.  The
authorities seem to have botched the original raid, and in the matter
of the fire, are guilty of either serious misjudgement, or reckless
endangerment.)


                                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^

O.K. people, so it's not tied.  I meant leads 2-1........  Shoot me if you
must.

-JPC

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	Drug", "Walking on a Thin Line", "If This is It", and more!!!

Hooters: Nervous Night
	Contains: And We Danced, Day By Day, All You Zombies, Nervous Night...

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	Their 1st tape. Contains "Cry Tough", "I Wont Forget You",
	"Talk Dirty to Me", and more!

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	Contains: "Out of Touch", "Possession Obsession", and more!

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	Contains: Wanted Man, Round and Round, and more!

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	Contains: Mama Weer All Krazy Now
Outfield|Play Deep
	Contains: Say It Isn't So, Your Love, All the Love in the World,
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Plant, Robert|Shaken n' Stirred
	Contains: Little By Little, plus more...

Journey|Raised on Radio
	Contains: Girl Cant Help It, Suzanne, Be Good to Yourself, Ill Be
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	Contains: Is There Something I Should Know?, Hungry Like the Wolf,
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	Never Tear Us Apart, Mystify, and more! GREAT TAPE....


How do you solve the problem when the message "Cannot perform malloc"
shows for XtCreateManagedWidget call?

I have the application written in X11R5 running on DECstation using
Athena widgets.  As soon as I added codes to do Remote Procedure Call,
the program refused to work.  I also have my program working using
just Xlib calls with RPC.  My executable code is about 1.4M and I don't
have any idea how much memory is the DECstation 3100/5100.

Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks.

--


It might be interesting for folk to know that the Church of Scotland
(also a Presbyterian church)  managed to "agree to disagree" over
women's ordination for 25 years.  The reasoning was that congregations
are free to call whoever they wish, and that Ministers and Sessions
choose elders.  If a congregation did not wish to have a woman, they
were not obliged to, and if a Session did not wish to, they could not
be forced to.  (Note that the who issue of freedom to call on the part
of the Congregation is VERY important here - this year is the 150th
Annivarsary of the Disruption, where the church split on that very
issue, they didn't get back together for almost 80 years).

A couple of years ago on the 25 anniversary of the allowing of womens
ordination the position was changed - so that, in theory, all
ministers and elders must recognise that women can be ordained.  In
theory, a minister who refused to ordain a woman to his Session, or
refused to work with a woman minister in Presbytery, could be
disciplined.  In practice this has not happened, and I believe it is
unlikely to happen.  My personal view is that the new legislation was
a mistake, and that the permissive (but not prescriptive) legislation
worked very well.

We are going to start going round the homosexual debate at next years
assembly.  At this years, a motion was put to ban the blessing of
same-sex couples (after an Edinburgh minister did so).  Our Panel on
Doctrine is currently looking at marriage, and will report next year -
the matter will be considered and debated then.

Hope this is interesting


<Yawn>  Another right-wing WASP imagining he's an oppressed minority.
Perhaps Camille Paglia is right after all.

"I would not have any argument or problem with a peace-nik if they [...]
stayed out of all conflicts or issues"?  I bet you wouldn't.  You'd love it.

But what makes you think that sitting back, saying nothing about defense
issues, and letting people like you make all the decisions is anything to do
with "their ideals"?


Interesting.  Would you care to explain to me then, how my SoundBlaster
Pro card and my printer card are sharing IRQ 7 successfully?  I assure
you that they are both set to IRQ 7 and that I have no problem.  My
computer is a DTK 286-12 IBM clone.


This effect disappears if you clean your apparatus after you kirlianed
the whole leaf and before kirlianing the leaf part.


I am looking for utilities for converting GIFs/JPEGs/PS etc to xpm format? Any
information appreciated.

Thanks,


Anyone from Alabama knows it should be:

Is "The Bear" Catholic?
Does a Pope shit in the woods?


That was my point. If I play poker with Monopoly money I can bet
anything I want.

This is exactly why Christianity is missionary in nature,
not just out of a need to irritate. 8-)

To the people who wrote the Bible and to whom the Bible is written,
there is evidence of love, but that is a cultural bias. This is
a poor answer which you needn't rebut.

I will now pull the old bait and switch.

I think you should use the Bible to judge man, not God.
By that I mean, if your moral intuition doesn't like what
is described in the Bible, realize that such things are going on
now. I will avoid the semantic arguments about the cause of evil
and ask what are you doing to fight it? Not you specifically,
but everyone, including myself. If I don't like the genocide
in the Bible, what about the genocide that goes on right now?
To move beyond the question of a hell, realize that many people
right now are suffering. If you think hell isn't fair and are
willing to sacrifice everything just to deny its existence,
what about how life isn't fair? Right now there is a young mother
with three little kids who doesn't know how she will get through
the day. Right now there is a sixth grader who is a junkie.
Right now there is an old man with no friends and no money to
fix his TV. Instead of why doesn't God help them ask why don't
we help them. I think you are correct to challenge any Christian
who doesn't live his life with the compassion you seem to possess.

You want evidence of God. Find someone who is making a difference,
someone you admire, someone who has been through some tough times
and has come out with his head up. Ask the person how he does it. Ask
the Vietnam vet who was battle medic how he kept his mind. Ask the
woman who was pregnant at 15, kept the baby and now is a successful
business woman. Ask the doctor who has operated on a 1-1/2 pound
baby. They won't all be Christians, or even what you might
call religious, but there will be something in common.

God is not defined in the Bible, God is defined by what is
in those people's hearts. It doesn't matter if you can't give
intellectual assent to any description you've heard, they're
all wrong anyway. The compassion you already feel in your heart
is a step in the right direction. Follow that instead.
Then come back and read the Bible and you'll see that same
thing described there.

Good, I guess we only have to work on your grammar. 8-)


*yawn* The Church of Kibology did it first and better.


My god, how many chances do they get?  Operation Move (Philedelphia, early
80's), Black Panthers (Chicago, 1969), etc., etc.  Hell, we get heavily armed
millenial cults out west every couple of years.  Do with have to start a
cascade of times the feds have been in situations like this?


I hate to belabor the obvious once again, but if there had been an Orbiter
emergency in the early stages of the original HST deployment mission, they
would have HAD to land with HST in the bay.

Indeed they were worried about that.  One concern was the possibility that
they would lose a motor or something on the way up, and make orbit but one
that was too low to give HST a useful lifetime against atmospheric drag.
I believe the decision was to deploy HST even if the projected lifetime was
as short as six months.  In fact we got an excellent orbit, on the upper
envelope of what the Shuttle can do.

I have never heard of any serious consideration that HST might be brought
down for refurbishment.  You would have the horrendous cost of transporting,
cleaning, re-testing, and re-certifying all the hardware on the ground, in
addition to the lost observing time and the cost of a second deployment
mission with the risks that we might not get such a good orbit the second
time.  And, you would probably STILL need a (third) servicing mission in a
few years as gyros and other components wear out.  Better to have two
servicing missions in space (which could well happen) than to bring HST down
and take it up again.


I've mentioned this study a couple of times now: Ingestion of yogurt
containing Lactobacillus acidophilus as prophylaxis for candidal
vaginitis, Annals of Internal Medicine, 3/1/92 116(5):353-7.  Do you
have a problem with the study because they used yogurt rather than
capsules of lactobacillus (even though it had positive results)?

The study was a crossover trial of daily ingestion of 8 ounces of
yogurt.  There was a marked decrease in infections while women were
ingesting the yogurt.  Problems with the study included very small
numbers (33 patients enrolled) and many protocol violations (only
21 patients were analyzed).  Still, the difference in rates of infection
between the two groups was so large that the study remains fairly
believable.


Yep, you can use any type of UNIX, or maybe VMS, or buy a MAC or something...
  If you want longer filenames for your documents, I heard of a wordprocessor for
windows which let you assign long names to files. Those long filenames could only be
seen from that programs open/save dialogs though... Maybe someone knows more about
this wordprocessor than I do?


HELLO,
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY WINDOW 3.1 PROGRAM
SOMETIMES WHEN I SAVE SETTINGS OF PROGRAM MANAGER THE SYSTEM CORRUPT ONE OR MORE
 *.GRP FILES AND PROGMAN.EXE CAN'T OPEN IT ON NEXT START.
THANKS FOR ANY ANSWER.
CHROBERT


:   I have seen the existance of electronics solder with a 2% silver
: content that seems to have good wetting and fatique reatings.
:   Can anyone tell me why it is not used? (silver is not such an expensive
: metal).
:
:
: Andy
:

For the most part, silver-solder is not used for general soldering
tasks due to the mechanism of dendritic growth. Silver-solder, when
exposed to high humidity and placed in an electric field, will actually
grow dendrites which are conductive and will adventually electrically
short across closely spaced nodes which are creating the field. For this
reason, silver is allowed only in hermetically sealed assemblies.
Fortunatly, tin-lead solder is quite stable and will not grow dendrites
as fast as silver-solder. Therefore, it is used extensively.

Jerry Long


Khufu and Khafre are both patented (#5003597).  Biham and Shamir showed
that differential cryptanalysis can break 16-round Khafre with a chosen-
plaintext attack using 1500 different encryptions.  Khafre with 24 rounds
can be broken with the same attack using 2^53 different encryptions.
(There are probably more efficient differential cryptanalytic attacks, if
someone wants to take the time to look.)

Khufu has key-dependent S-boxes, and is immune to differential cryptanalysis.
Source code for this algorithm (and Khafre) are in the patent.

Snefru is a public-domain one-way hash function.  The version of Snefru
that produces a 128-bit hash is vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis
(vulnerable means that the attack is more efficient that brute force) for
four passes or less.  Given that, SHA and MD5 are much more efficient.

Oh yes, anyone interested in licensing the patent should contact Dave Petre,
Director of Patent Licencing for Xerox, (203) 986-3231.


    If I recall, Jen said right up front how the sample set was derived.
Where's the FUD?

    Does this mean I can flame you if I ever see you doing it?
    Face it - the .advocacy groups are _for_ the kind of things that
you're preaching against.  This is why they were created in the first
place - to filter out all the crap from the newsgroups that might
contain real information.

				-Phil


I am very interested in hearing from all of you who are using or implementing
3-D interactive applications what types of 3-D widgets you would
like to have in your applications.

A 3-D widget is usually located in the same scene as other 3-D objects of the
application.  It may let you

- manipulate application data, the camera,
  3-D objects in the scene and so on, or
- view the status of the application or 3-D objects
  via the widget's shape, color, position, orientation and so on, or
- do whatever I missed but you think is possible.

For example, a manipulative widget can be virtual trackball (shown as a
partially transparent sphere) super-imposed on the object to be rotated.
A feedback widget can be a ruler with ends anchored to 2 objects.  The length
of the ruler changes as the objects move and a numeric value is shown on the
ruler indicating the distance.  A widget can provide both manipulation and
feedback.  For example, the ruler can be used to change the distance between
the objects along its own axis.

Please e-mail me or post your opinions on 3-D interaction.  The information
I gathered will help me design a 3-D UI construction tool.
Your help is very much appreciated.


About 50 people so far have asked, "Once the FBI gets your Clipper keys,
won't they be able to read all your future and past traffic?"

There has been no response from NIST, NSA, Ms. Denning, Mr. Hellman, or
anyone else who might be able to give us an authoritative answer.
This is troubling.

Didn't NSA think about this?  Or is it a feature, and they thought we
wouldn't notice?

I would have thought that by now they would have responded with something
of the form, "Well, that won't be a problem because ...."

Very curious.


How about half a friend?  The Motorola Codex preliminary V.Fast modem
(which you can by right now) does 24.4 kbps (raw) over standard phone
lines.  28.8 kbps is what is usually claimed for the "final" v.fast,
but you can't go out and buy that right now, the standard isn't done yet.

Again, voice can be compressed quite well down to 4000 or 8000 bps
depending on how good you want it to be, but that requires a DSP or a
special ASIC to do in real-time.


Two LH Research SM11-1 power supplies (SM10 series).

1000W, 5V, 200A (currently wired for 115VAC).

Control lines: +/- sense, on/off, pwr. fail, high/lo margin, current monitor.

They both work!

(List price from LH Research is $824.00 f/ qty. 1-9).

Asking $150 each + shipping.


G'day Brian,

I'll be blunt about this. The ONLY reasonable explanation of Roberts
algorithm is in

Procedural Elements for Computer Graphics
Rogers
McGraw-Hill Book Co. 1985

Go to the library and look at this.

There is also a somewhat muddled explanation in the first edition
of Newman and Sproull.

The algorithm described in PECG runs in near linear time.

Luck,


I bought a set of ARE's a few months back and decided to add locks
so that I could keep my new rims. I haven't had a balance problem
yet so I assume that it might be just particular to your type of
stock nuts. My rims were balanced with new BFG T/A's at a speed
shop to the finest setting on their bal. machine, so that helps too.


Some  people working a few cubes over have come up with this need, and
it seems that someone out there just might have done it  already,  and
can point me to some tools that would help. What they'd like to do is:
Given a window that is taking a long time to draw (because either  the
data  is  arriving  over a slow link, or the $DISPLAY is across a slow
link), they would like to first paint a low-resolution version of  the
picture,  and then repaint it in higher resolution.  Thus, the picture
might first be generated in 1/4 resolution, with each  4x4  square  of
pixels  being  filled  in  with a single color.  Next, each 4x4 square
would be replaced by 4 2x2 squares; finally the 1x1 version  would  be
painted.

Since  one of the scenarios is with the window being on the other side
of a slow link, the low-res version obviously wouldn't be  transmitted
as  a bitmap; that wouldn't help at all.  Instead, there would have to
be a process on the far end that receives the  low-res  picture  as  a
small  bitmap,  and  blows up each pixel into a square (sorta like the
magnifier programs do).  This brings up the question of whether the  X
server  can help.  That is, when a window is opened, is there a way to
ask that a "filter" program be run to process the pixels?  Or  is  the
only  way  to  use  something  like  rsh  to start up a remote process
("Permission denied" ;-), and have it open a local window?

It seems the most likely scenario is a library routine that starts  up
such  a  program  remotely, and then accepts bitmaps, compressing each
one by some amount, and sending them to the remote program to  expand.
But  if  there is something that X itself can do to help, it's be nice
to hear about it.  (I looked in several FMs,  but  if  it's  there,  I
obviously  don't  know  the keywords ;-).  If someone has a nifty tool
available that packages it all, we might want to get a copy.

Oh, yes; this is to run on some Suns.  Part of the idea  is  to  build
demos  that  can  show such things as "If this were run across, say, a
4800-bps link, this is how fast the pictures would appear."  Then  the
customer would get a feel for the speed that they need to pay for.


In my quest for speed, I've run into a problem. 66.66 mhz and 80 mhz
clock oscillators are available but I haven't found any speeds between
66.66 and 70 mhz for further testing. Fox Electronics (813) 693-0099 can make custom oscillators but if anyone knows a source cheaper than $12/osc please
let me know. Some 68 and 70 mhz units would complete my speed trials on the
old Q700


I find it very interesting that you say there will be 2.5 million
queers in the march on Washington.  The largest figure I've seen in
the press is 1 million and we all know how liberal the press is with
their numbers. :)

For another thing, 1% of 250 million is 2.5 million not 6.  Maybe
that's where you got the 2.5 million number.  Also, the number cited
in the actual report is 1.5% so that would be about 3.75 million.

As for this march on Washington, I wonder how much the media is
going to inflate the numbers this time.  Last time, for the
pro-abortion rally, they more than doubled the actual number of
people who showed up.  That and all the stories coming out of how
the press "slants" the news really makes one wonder who's watching
the watchers.

BCNU.


Well, you can't say that it don't work.  The inability to read 800k mac
disks is not a SW problem.  Rather, it's a HARDWARE limmitation on PCs.


Well, just when you think *nothing* will strike at a
BMW-key-fob/ostrich-feather-dipped-in-silly-putty-and-varnished-solid lure,
somebody comes along and inhales it right up to the lead swivel!

There *is* a Dog.

It's going to be pretty difficult to better (worsen?) a trolling scheme this
low, though.


Would anyone have a few extra 3479P's lying around that I
could buy off of them.. Problem is that around here I can only perchase
them in $30 quantities, and I don't need this, and can't take this
financially right now....

                        If anyone can accomodate me with this PLEASE
reply to BOTH for the following mailing addresses...

                        Thanks!!!

_______________________________________________
             |                                 |
   _______   |    Baden de Bari                |
  /       \  |     baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca   |
 (| o   o |) |     baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca   |
  |   ^   |  | >> True life can only           |
  \  -=-  /  | >> be experianced by            |
   \_____/   | >> those who do not fear death. |


Not when the power has been cut off for weeks on end.  Any generators are
no doubt out of fuel, too.  So all they would have is wood stoves and
kerosene lanters (maybe).  It is alleged that the tanks pushing in the
walls knocked over the lanters, starting the fire.  Remember, the FBI
had bugs which they even used (illegally) to eavesdrop on private
conversations with the lawyers.  If a suicide order were given they
WOULD HAVE KNOWN IT IN TIME.  If the Feds had been concerned they would
have had emergency equipment ready.  Not an hour or so later, not
leaving the water THEY TURNED OFF, off.  They could have turned it back
on.  They just didn't wanna.  Scores to settle...


Dateline Tue, 20/Apr93 03:38.
In , Antonio Pera of icop@csa.bu.edu  wrote to All at 1:133/411,

 AP>         Recently, I heard the Red Sox on WROL a
 AP> Spanish-speaking radio station. I thought it was so
 AP> unreal. The Red Sox in Spanish? Anyway, I want to find
 AP> out how widespread this is? Being a NY native, I know
 AP> the scMets are on in Spanish but not the Yankmes. I
 AP> wuold think that LA,SD,Texas and Fla are on in Spanish.
 AP> Are there any Spanish-speaking networks or is this a
 AP> local

    For the last couple of years, the Braves have been fostering a program to reach to the Latin American audience.  This has included licensing Spanish fan magazines, encouraging Spanish co-broadcasts, and marketing programs directed at the Latin American community.  One of the biggest heros to the Latin American audience has been Francisco Cabrerra (a fact of which he was slightly embarrassed!).

One funny story is that during Spring Training, the Braves played a game in Mexico.  This game was broadcast back to Atlanta in Spanish.  It took the broadcasters a few innings to get a rythm going because they had to keep changing their location.  Seems it took a while to find a place where they could get a clear signal on their cellular phones through which they were calling the game!

        David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta


Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items.
If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me:
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        Phone           (703)552-4381
        USMail          Michael Beck
                        1200 Progress Street #5500E
                        Blacksburg, Virginia 24060

Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc)
~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 10AM, 4/27/93~~~~~~~~~~

COMPUTER EQUIP:

1       CHEAP (<$100) tape drive - pretty much any kind for IBM (Used)

1       Memory expansion card for PS/2 Model 50Z

1       Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used)

1       High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL

NON-COMPUTER EQUIP:

1       TV - 27" or bigger, stereo

1       VCR - 4 Heads, stereo

1       Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound
                capability

1       Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please


I am not a battery expert, but from recent reading, a lead acid battery
will self discharge at a relatively high rate, and if stored in a discharged
state, will develop a condition I think is called sulfation.  In storage,
either the electrolyte should be removed and replaced for use (fat chance
I'd ever do that at home), or the battery should be stored on a trickle
charge.  I have also (I think) read that the condition may be reversable
if hooked up to a current limited charging circuit fro a LONG period of time.
The refernce I remember is to use C/50 (where C is the amp hours) as the
charging circuit, and leave it hooked up for weeks.  Some of this may
only apply to Gel type cells, but I suspect the same applies to the liquid
type.


One more good reason for straight pipes or megaphones;-)

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350

Ps: Does anyone know if Opti oils sells direct by the case load?
My loacl dealership is charging 12.99 for a jug of injector oil,
and it's breaking me;-)


Boston Globe, Wednesday April 21 1993

col. 4  "Bodies found in ruins as FBI defends raid on cult ranch"
col. 5 "Clinton blames Koresh, orders probe of siege"
col. 2 "The children: panws in a horrifying game"

pg. 18, col. 1, Editorial page
	"Judgment at Waco"

	Now the scientific and political scrutiny of the
horror show in Waco begins, though nothing can
undo the tragedy that might have been prevented
there.
	Forensic experts will study the rubble and
ashes of the Branch Davidian compound, where at
least 85 people, including 24 children, perished in
smoke and fire caused by theapocalyptic visions of
a manipulative madman AND A STUNNING LAPSE IN
JUDGMENT BY FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.
   [emphasis added by me]
	Investigators will re-create conditions at the
compound and identify accelerants and other fac-
tors fueling the inferno.  That is their strong suit.
	But the public must question why agents of the
Federal Bureau of Investigation lacked the oper-
ational skill and teh behavioral insight to resolve
the 51-day standoff free of flames and fury.
	The loss of life most clearly reflects the demen-
tia of cult leader David Koresh, whose personal
delusiosn are now seared on the public conscious-
ness.  His assembly of Davidians had stockpiles of
arms--and had used them.  LIttle in the way of
rationality could be expected from Koresh, a self-
confsesed "sinner without equal."
	What continues to mystify are th eactions of
federal agents, who bungled the case from the
start.  The misadventure began on Feb. 28 when
100 agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, To-
bacco and Firearms storemd the compound, intent
on seizing Koresh and a cache of automatic weap-
ons.  Four agents and an estimated  six cult mem-
bers died inteh ensuing gun battle.  Earlier
oppor-tunities to isolate and arrest Koresh outside the
complex had not been adequately explored.
	Authorities prepared a siege and resolved that
those deaths would be the last.  Fifty-one days into
the siege there was no public outcry to storm the
compound.
	It had been correctly perceived that the chil-
dren inside "Rancho Apocalypse" were essentially
hostages.  With their lives at stake, there was no
reason for the government to be impatient.  The
government's superior firepower, control of water
and utilities and freedom of movement created the
conditions for a belated but bloodless resolution.
	Neither Attorney General Janet Reno nor the
FBI has provided a sigle compelling reason for
abandondoning the course of patience.
	If intelligence was accurate and Koresh was
growing increasingly violent and bizarre, it is diffi-
cult to see how a tear-gas attack launched by an
M-60 combat vehicle would clear his mind.  If re-
ports of escalating child abuse were accurate, they
would have to be weighted against the potential for
eve ngreated hamr.

etc etc tec....
[paragraphs, 2.5 paragraphs deleted]

But some of the responsibility rests with Clinton,
and inexperienced president who did not pay
enough attention to the life-and -death decisions
being made on WAco.
	If Reno is to be faulted for anything, ti would
be for her overreliance on the judgment of law en-
forcement officers--a common problem among
prosecutors.
	Full investigations into th eWaco tragedy must
be conducted by both the executive and legislative
branches.  The first step is to verify how the blaze
started.  Though apportioning blame will play a
role, it is of greater importnace to find strategies
to elude the fire next time.


The Waco Quiz

What would you do in the following hypothetical situations?

You have committed no crime.  The BATF conducts a "no-knock" raid.
a) Hands in air. Say "Do you have a warrant?" Think of hefty suit settlement.
b) Say "You have 1 second to identify yourself as a cop or I shoot."
c) Shoot.  Heck, at least in federal prison you might get to have sex.

You have killed federal agents. They blast strange music at you.
a) Come out with hands up. "I wish to turn state's evidence." Hope deal's good.
b) Wait, figuring other federal agents will get bored and go on vacation.
c) Wait. If they come after you there will be a chance to kill MORE g-men.

The FBI has you surrounded, asks you to come out immediately.
a) Come out, figuring long prison term is chance to catch up on some writing.
b) Stall. You just can't concentrate when you're on trial for some reason.
c) Decide to write novel-length prophecy now while ideas are fresh in mind.

FBI calls and says they will use tear gas if you don't come out.
a) Come out with hands up. Your radical bro-in-law hated getting gassed at UC.
b) Get out your gas mask. Really, these feds will have to give up eventually.
c) Shoot at vehicles delivering tear gas. It's rude to break down a man's door!

FBI calls and says they will use tanks to break down your walls.
a) Come out with your hands up. Flimsy cardboard construction won't last long.
b) With presence of mind, move flammable devices away from tinder-dry haybales.
c) Spread some kerosene around and hit a match. Big Schwarzenegger ending.

Points are awarded in the following manner: 0 points for every (a) answer,
-1 points for every (b) answer, and -2 points for every (c) answer.
Count 'em up and compare with your friends!

If you answered (a) all the time, you are probably in jail, but alive.
If you answered (b) all the time, you may still be holed up in your compound.
If you answered (c) all the time, you are probably dead.

(Feel free to copy this and distribute to your friends.)


I too have seen the miracle of Maxima Chain Wax.  Not only does it lube
and stay where it's supposed to, but I swear I can ride faster now.  Yes,
not only does it lube your chain, it makes you a better rider.  And more
attractive to members of the opposing sex.  And smarter.  And....


Title says it all, I'm after a Vectrex system. If you have one and want
to get rid of it let me know.

I can offer cash, or possible trades with Megadrive and SNES games.

Cheers
Marc

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That's surprising -- I haven't seen any incompatibilities with mine,
version 6.01.  The version that came with my upgrade to 6.01 had some
problems, but Symantec fixed those and I've haven't seen anything wrong
since.

I'm not running Windoze, by the way.


In <1993Apr24.214843.10940@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu

If the ONLY people proposing a "moment of silence" are doing so as a
sham to sneak in prayers, then it MUST be opposed.  What the HELL have
prayers to do with public schooling?  [I ask this question as a devout
Christian.]

Their kids can bloody-well pray any God-damned time they WANT to.  And
nothing, on heaven or earth, in government or the principal's office,
can prevent or in any other way deal with their doing so.  *Especially*
if the prayer is silent (as bursting out into the "Shema Yisrael" or
some other prayer *might* be construed as disruptive if audible :-))
No one ever prevented ME from praying in public school!  They hardly
even prevented me from masturbating in study hall.

I should have thought better of someone posting from a UChicago address.
How can you manage to say such nonsense without shame?

Muslim students might have a complaint, if they are prevented from setting
out their rugs and doing the proper ablutions before prayer at the times
specified in the Qu'ran.  Jews would probably like the opportunity to daven
with tefillim and whatever else *they* require, at *their* appropriate times.
I do not see THEM complaining (though Muslims and Jews have a case that no
Christian I have ever heard has been able to make.)

The "Christian" insistence on a PUBLIC, UNIVERSAL, ENFORCED "moment of
prayer^H^H^H^H^H^Hsilence" is nothing but the Inquisition "naturalized"
into the American context.  It is offensive to the Gospel of Christ.


Interesting development.  Especially since the Feds (and the U.N.)
accused Saddam Hussein of using illegal chemicals on his own
citizens as well.  Hmmm...  Republican Guard/Iraqu Army = FBI/BATF?
You decide.
--
I hope very much that others who will be tempted to join cults
and to become involved with people like David Koresh will be
deterred by the horrible scenes they have seen over the last
seven weeks.

           -President William Jefferson Clinton, April 20, 1993,
at a press conferance held the day after the Branch Davidians
"compound" went up in flames while under attack by the FBI/ATF
near Waco, Texas.  Is your church U.S. Government approved?

CONNECT THE GOD-DAMNED DOTS!!!  Ministry, TV Song


About two years ago I posted the following:

I am planning to write a new book called "Great Canadian Scientists."
Please forward your nominations to me: shell@cs.sfu.ca

The rules are that the person must be a Canadian citizen. They don't have
to be born in Canada or even live in Canada, but they must have (or have
had, if they are dead) Canadian citizenship while they are/were great
Canadian scientists.

About 70 people have been nominated already and they are listed at the
end of this posting.

I'm not quite sure what should constitute greatness, and there may be a
gray area here. If you have any ideas on criteria for greatness, I would be
pleased to hear them. In any event, please nominate people even if you are
not sure they are great. I would like as big a list as possible.

Please give me a name and email address, phone number or mail address, so
that I can contact the person. If you don't know any of the above, then
give me their last known whereabouts. Also please give your reason for why
you think the person should be considered a great Canadian scientist.

After I have the list, I will choose about six of the most interesting ones
and do in-depth biographies of those individuals in the style of Tracy
Kidder's "Soul of a New Machine" or some other dramatic technique.
The rest of the great Canadian scientists will appear in an appedix with
one paragraph biographies.

If you have any other ideas about this project, I am interested to hear
them.

So far, I have received 68 nominations as follows:

First Name     Last Name      Nominator            Famous For
----------     ---------      ---------            ----------
Sid            Altman         Kuszewski, John      Catalytic RNA(Nobel Chem 89)
Frederick      Banting        me                   Insulin (Nobel U23 medicine)
Davidson       Black          Stanley, Robert      Discovered Peking Man
James R.       Bolton         Warden, Joseph       chemistry?
Raoul          Bott           Smith, Steven        Math: algebraic topology.
Willard        Boyle          Chamm, Craig         Co inventor of CCD
Gerard         Bull           Stanley, Robert      Ballistics and gunnery
Dennis         Chitty         Galindo-Leal, Carlos First animal ecologist
Brian C.       Conway         Tellefsen, Karen     Electrochemistry
Stephen        Cook           Mendelzon, Alberto   NP-completeness, complexity
?              Copp           Kuch, Gerald         biochem aspects of physiol
H.S.M.         Coxeter        Calkin, Neil J.      Regular polytopes (math)
P. N.          Daykin         Palmer, Bill         Chem, mosquito repellant
H. E.          Duckworth      anonymous            Mass Spectroscopy,  admin
Jack           Edmonds        Snoeyink, Jack       Math, Operations research
Reginald       Fessenden      Johnsen, Hans        Wire insulation, light bulb
Ursula         Franklin       McKellin, William    Physics archeol. materials
J. A.          Gray           Gray, Tom            Nuclear physics, The Gray
E. W.          Guptill        Chamm, Craig         Slotted array radar
Donald         Hebb           Lyons, Michael       Learning (Hebbian synapses)
Gerhard        Herzberg       me                   Optical spectr Nobel 71
James          Hillier        me                   Electron Microscope (Can/Am)
Crawford S.    Holling        Galindo-Leal, Carlos Ecology, predators and prey
David          Hubel          Lyons, Michael       Visual cortex (Nobel med ?)
Kenneth        Iverson        Dare, Gary           Invented APL
J. D.          Jackson        Austern, Matt        Elementary Particle Theory
Andre          Joyal          Pananagden, Prakash  Category theory, categ Logic
Martin         Kamen          me                   Carbon-14 (Canadian/Amer.)
Irving         Kaplansky      Knighten, Bob        Algebra, functional analysis
George S.      Kell           Kell, Dave           Hot water freezing
T. E.          Kellogg        Palmer, Bill         Chem, mosquito repellant
Geraldine      Kenney-Wallace Siegman, Anthony     Chemistry ? Administration
Brian          Kernaghan      Brader, Mark         C programming language
Michael L.     Klein          Marchi, Massimo      Theoretical Chemistry
Charles J.     Krebs          Galindo-Leal, Carlos Ecology, Krebs effect
K. J.          Laidler        Tellefsen, Karen     Chemical Kinetics
G. C.          Laurence       Palmer, Bill         Physics ????
Raymond        Lemieux        Smith, Earl          First synthesized glucose
Martin         Levine         Meunier, Robert      Computer vision
Edward S.      Lowry          himself              Computer programming
Pere           Marie-Victorin Meunier, Robert      Jardin Botanique de Montreal
Colin          MacLeod        Turner, Steven       Nobel (?) DNA discovery?
Marshall       McLuhan        Clamen, Stewart      Social sci, communications
Ben            Morrison       Willson, David       Aurora Borealis
Lawrence       Morley         Strome, Murray       Plate Tektonics/Remote sense
Farley         Mowat          Abbott, John         Northern Animal rights?
Kevin          Ogilvie        Kendrick, Kelly      Genetics, cure for herpes?
Sir William    Osler          Lyons, Michael       Medicine
P.J.E.         Peebles        Vishniac, Ethan      Most important cosmologist
Wilder         Penfield       Perri, Marie         Anatomical basis for memory
John           Polanyi        me                   chemiluminescensce Nobel86
Denis          Poussart       Meunier, Robert      Computer Vision
Anatol         Rapoport       Lloyd-Jones, David   conflict theory, game theory
Howard         Rapson         Sutherland, Russell  Pulp chemistry
Hans           Selye          Goel, Anil K.        Psychology of stress.
William        Stephenson     Wilkins, Darin       WW2 Enigma code, Wire photo
Boris          Stoicheff      Siegman, Anthony     Raman Spectroscopy
David          Suzuki         Meister, Darren      Science communication
Henry          Taube          Parker, Wiley        Physical Chemistry Nobel83
Richard        Taylor         Manuel, John         Verified Quark model Nobel90
David          Thompson       Eisler, Michael      Mapped western Canada
Endel          Tulving        Green, Christopher   Psychology of memory
Bill           Tutte          Royle, Gordon        matroid theory (math)
I              Uchida         Palmer, Bill         Down's syndrome
J. Tuzo        Wilson         Collier, John        Continental Drift theory
R. H.          Wright         Palmer, Bill         Chem, mosquito repellant
J.L.(Allen)    Yen            Leone, Pasquale      VL baseline interferometry
Walter         Zinn           me                   Breader Reactor (Can/Amer.)
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The list is growing nicely. It's amazing to see just how much was discovered
by Canadians. Actually there are many more who were born in Canada, but
became Americans after graduate school.

Please note: a lot of people have nominated Alexander Graham Bell but I
feel he was really a Scottish/American with a summer home in Canada. Now
I know this is debatable, but please don't nominate him again.

If anyone can fill in some of the question marks on the list, please drop
me a line.
==================================================

That was two years ago. Since then, I have received a grant from Science
Culture Canada, a division of Supply and Services Canada to research the
book. Since my old posting the book has evolved into an educational book
for kids aged 9 - 14 (though this may change again) It will have about
40 two-page spreads with a large graphic in the middle and text/graphic
boxes all around on the following subjects: Vital statistics and photo of
the scientist, Personal statement from the scientist, Narrative of a few
moments in the life of the scientist, "What I was doing when I was 12",
So you want to be a <insert kind of scientist>, Experiment you can do. There
will be an appendix with 100 - 200 more scientists with one paragraph
biographies who didn't quite make it to the double spreads. The whole thing
will then be published on CD-ROM with video and sound clips for added
richness. I am looking for a CD-ROM publisher as well. The text part may
also be available on the CANARIE electronic highway being developed in
Canada as well.

I am still looking for a publisher though Penguin Canada came close
to being it. Hope to find one soon.

I would like to again ask for more nominations, especially in the
pure sciences of Physics, Chemistry and Biology. Also criticisms of
the list are welcomed. Also women and French-Canadian scientists are needed.

I hope this posting will get others to nominate more Great Canadian
Scientists, and to discuss what is "great" what is "Canadian" and what is
"scientist".

Please respond to:
shell@sfu.ca

or
Barry Shell   604-876-5790

4692 Quebec St. Vancouver, B.C.  V5V 3M1 Canada