Because the Gun loonies were firing on vehicles with 50mm amunition that
has a range of 3000 meters.

Next question.

The problem is of course the laws that allow a bunch of raving nutters
to collect a huge stack of arms in the first place.

The sequence of events meant that there really was no option but to
attempt some sort of breakthrough via an intervention. If the FBI had
had the stomach for it they could have mounted a commando type
raid and attempted to save the children by shooting all the adults.
It really was a no win situation. Koresh had plenty of opportunity
to give up and stand trial for the murder of the 4 ATF officers. Instead
he ordered the murder of the children.

In order to reject the word of the FBI and BATF it is neccessary to beleive
the words of a man who has just murdered 17 children and ordered the
suicide/murder of his other 80 followers. According to the account given
the BATF attempted to serve a warrant upon Koresh at the ranch and were met
by gunfire in a deliberate attempt to murder them. The Koresh/gun supporter
claim that the BATF started shooting simply does not stand up. If the
AFT had gone there to start shooting they would have gone with heavier
grade weaponry than standard issue handguns. For all practical purposes
they were unarmed, the B-D followers had automatic weapons.

The B-D seige could not be allowed to go on indefinitely. The B-D were
quite capable of commiting mass suicide and murdering the children at any
time. A commando assault was the only other likely action that could have
achieved that objective, that would have been very risky, orders of
magintude harder than Antebbe or the Iranian Embassy Seige. Airplanes
and Embassies are not designed for defense against attack ranch
apocalypse was. 6 terrorists are far easier to disloge without casualties
than 80.

Allowing the siege to go on was not an option either, besides the serious
risk that Koresh would proclaim armageddon at any moment there was the
question of the difficulties of keeping the emmergency team on standby over
a prolonged period. The longer the siege went on the more mentally prepared
Koresh and his followers would be for a prolonged siege. Rather than go
in prematurely the mistake was probably to go in too soon.

Can you think of a better way of getting the children out?

A 100% certain way?

The people who do not want gun control must obviously discount the entire
government story. This is simply rationalisation. It is not enough for
them to simply dismiss the government as incompetent. That would require
them to come up with a solution themselves. Instead they have to come
up with a government conspiracy theory whereby the government decided to
set out to murder 80 people just to set up some sort of scare to alow them
to get gun control legislation through.

This conspiracy theory assumes that the BATF deliberately got 4 of its
agents killed and that the FBI etc actually enjoy sitting out in the
middle of Texas being shot at by religious nutters.

Still the conspiracy theory is comforting, it allows them to pretend that
WACO proves nothing except about how incompetent the government is in
resolving a hostage crisis. No govt in the world has ever faced a
comparable situation, quite probably there was no manner in which it
could be peacefully resolved. The blame does not rest on the FBI, it
rests on the fact that Koresh was allowed to get so far, in particular
the person who tipped the B-D off in advance has the murder of 4 ATF
agents and 17 children on his or her conscience.

There are a large number of people in the US who predict the end of society
preach salvation through armed security. The fact is that these are the
very people who pose the threat to society in the first place. The next WACO
may not be religious nutters but a political movement. A splinter group
of the Klu Klux Klan taking over a schoolhouse in a black area for example
and holding several hundred children hostage.

The only possible solution to such situations that can work is to prevent
them arising. No other government in the world has faced such a situation.
this is because no other government has so carelessly allowed high power
weaponry to become avaliable to any little Hitler or would be Messiah
to set themselves up as dictator in their own little empire.


From my own notes on this subject....

Methods to automatically passwd Authorization from one machine to another.
  This also includes the problem of notifing the remote host of the current
DISPLAY that is being used.

1/ Use rsh/rexec/on...  (the method in the xauth manual)
      Set up the your .rhosts file in the home directory on the remote
  machine so that a password in not required to remotly execute commands.

         xauth extract - $DISPLAY | rsh other xauth merge -

  This method is also used by xrsh to pass authorization. My vampire
  program also uses a variation, however I wrap it as part of the remote
  command sequence  (EG:  xauth add $auth)

     Included in this method is the use of `xrlogin' and `xrsh' to do
  this job for you. These programs usally (the newer ones that is) allow
  you to pass a secified list of ENVIRONMENT variables which includes
  the `DISPLAY' and/or a copy of the authorization code required.

     The `xon' program available (if enabled) on sun machines will also
  pass environment variables, as well as the current directory.  You will
  however be required to store the Authority in such a variable for
  passing. Unless you are also have shared home directories.

    WARNING: Environment variables and command line arguments are visible
  in `ps' listing with the appropiate flags. As such passing authorization
  information in environment variables or as arguments is not recomended.
  The recommended method as given in the manual (shown above) is safe from
  the view of other users.

2/ Wrap it as part of the TERM environment variable.
      This method uses the fact that most remote command executors do pass
  the TERM environment variable to the remote host. It is then a matter of
  an appropiate script in your remote .login file to extract the information
  from the TERM environment variable and set up things appropiatly.
    A version of the xrlogin script is available on the network which does
  this. Basically you change the TERM environment variable before the
  actual call to rlogin is performed, to include your DISPLAY and your
  authorization.
    On the remote machine you then extract this information and return the
  TERM environment variable to normal BEFORE you use it for reseting or
  stty'ing your terminal.

  ---8<---
  script for launching rlogin:
    #!/bin/sh
    # ~/bin/rl   --- Rlogin with display:
    if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
      case "$DISPLAY" in
        :*) DISPLAY=`hostname`$DISPLAY ;;
      esac
      TERM="$TERM&$DISPLAY&`xauth nextract - $DISPLAY`"
      export TERM
    fi
    rlogin $*
  ---8<---
  add to your .cshrc or .login
    if ( $?TERM ) then
      if ( `echo $TERM | tr -cd '&'` != '' ) then
        echo "$TERM" | cut '-d&' -f3 | xauth nmerge -
        setenv DISPLAY `echo "$TERM" | cut '-d&' -f2`
        setenv TERM    `echo "$TERM" | cut '-d&' -f1`
      endif
    endif
  ---8<---
  xterm command to use
    xterm -T hostname -e ~/bin/rl hostname
  ---8<---

3/ NFS.
     Write it to a file on a shared NFS partition you have access to.
   Note that if the home directories are NFS mounted, then authorization
   is automatically passed, Hoever you will still have to pass your
   DISPLAY environment variable via a file or other means. IE:

      login host:       echo $DISPLAY > ~/.X11host
      remote host:      setenv DISPLAY `cat ~/.X11host`

4/ Finger for the info in a .plan file
      This involves encrypting the information into your `.plan' or
  `.project' and having the remote machine finger for the information.
  This has the disadvantage of having the information to anyone fingering
  the user.  Thus requiring a encryption method that is uniq to each
  individual.  IE: the method of decyrption must not be shared or known
  by others, nor should it be easy to determine.
    A improvment is to use the `who fingered me' technique to only give
  the information only to your own remote accounts and not just to anyone
  who is asking.
    This last method was developed last year by a second year here, untill
  I explained to him the need for the encryption, at which point he gave
  up this method. It is however a valid method. It is easer than (2) but
  less secure.

  Anthony Thyssen - (SysProg @ Griffith University)     anthony@cit.gu.edu.au
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Magic is Real -- unless declared an integer"  ---  John P.Melvin


[reply to frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)]

If the Good is undefined (undefinable?) but you require of everyone that
they know innately what is right, you are back to subjectivism.

Ditto here.  An evaluative statement implies a value judgement on the
part of the person making it.

Pretty perceptive, that Prof. Flew.

Please explain how this helps.  I don't see your argument.

This makes no sense either.  Flew is arguing that this is where the
objectivist winds up, not the subjectivist.  Furthermore, the nihilists
believed in nothing *except* science, materialism, revolution, and the
People.

And also not the position of the subjectivist, as has been pointed out
to you already by others.  Ditch the strawman, already, and see my reply
to Mike Cobb's root message in the thread Societal Basis for Morality.


I have two quations to ask:

1)  Does it cause the body any harm if one picks one's nose?  For example,
might it lead to a loss of ability to smell?

2)  Is it harmful for one to eat one's nose pickings?


RE: Irish/Gaelic TrueType Font wanted - synopsis

Many thanks to those who responded to my question.  Unfortunately I have
had no luck in actually getting such a font, and a lot of people interested
in geting one, and so I have decided to create my own truetype font fitting
that description.  This font is based on that used in the 1904 issue of
Dineen's dictionary and is typical of that found in Irish books from the
early part of the century.  This may take me some time to do (in my
limited spare time) but I'll make it available to anyone who is interested,
when it is ready.

The responses I received are summerised below:

Kevin Donnelly (caoimhin@smo.ac.uk) mentioned that Michael Everson
(everson@irlearn.ucd.ie) had developed some Clo/ Gaelach fonts
for the Macintosh and may be able to advise me.  I contacted Michael
and he told me that he has three fonts available for the Macintosh, and
that he will eventually port them to the PC, but that he will be charging
IR 100 (about $160) for each one.

pbryant@ukelele.GCR.COM mentioned that he uses two font that have a
'nice Irish/Gaelic look to them'.  These are "Durrow" and "American
Uncial-Normal".  I don't know where you can get these but I don't
think that they have the effects I am looking for.

Finally, rhiannon@netcom.com (Rhia) mentioned that the "Meath" font
included in the Casady & Greene Fluent Laser Fonts 2 package
is very much like what I was describing.  I faxed Casady & Greene for
info but got no reply.

So that's it.  I'll post these newsgroups when I make my font available.


that
his
positive.

	Clint Malarchuk

  What has happened to him since?

	Assigned to San Diego Gulls at the being of the season I believe

  What

It was Uwe Krupp and a Blues player, though Uwe's skate I beleive cut
Clint.  He has since be traded to the Isles in the LaFontaine deal.

  Has this ever

This is the only time I know of.


HI, all
    I study about WM_DELETE_WINDOW atom in Open Look. I study the book -->
"Unix Desktop guide to OPEN LOOK", I run the example of chapter 8, but It
is not the result described as book's figure 8.1. Dose anyone read the book?
Or run the example (winprop.c)? What is the problem?
    I am curious about WM_DELETE_WINDOW programming... Anyone help me?
                       Thanks in advance for any help!!!
                                                            IOP


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(rest deleted)

That's a fallacy, and it is not the first time it is pointed out.
For one, you have never given a set of morals people agree upon. Unlike
a football. Further, you conveniently ignore here that there are
many who would not agree on tghe morality of something. The analogy
does not hold.

One can expect sufficiently many people to agree on its being a football,
while YOU have to give the evidence that only vanishing number disagrees
with a set of morals YOU have to give.

Further, the above is evidence, not proof. Proof would evolve out of testing
your theory of absolute morals against competing theories.


	I'll third the recommendation as Miracle Spooge.

	Don't go to the dealer to get it or what happened to me might happen
to you:  you put a deposit on a new bike.

Sigh,


Watch the videotape carefully, the CNN coverage was fairly decisive.

The first fire starts in the Tower, this is three storeys high and there
is a flag to the right of it on the picture. The second fire starts
in another tower which is similar to the first only two storeys high.
The flag is on the left in the camera picture that shows this fire
starting.

Thus the camera pictures cleraly show the fire starting at two separate
locations. The FBI report a third. I was not able to verify it from the
videotape however someone else identified a fire shown to be starting behind
the small tower in the second (flag on left) camera angle.

The flames coming out of the building are yellow/orange. This is the
normal colour for carbon compounds burning. The flames were those of a
solid or confined liquid burning, not of a gas exploding.

The explosion that occurs mid way along the building is certainly not an
explosive though. The cloud itself is on fire. This would seem to
be most likely to be some sort of fuel oil store exploding rather than
the explosion of a magazine.

Depends entirely on how they were distributed. You would not be able
to identify ammunition rounds going off from video camera coverage
from a mile away. If and when the FBI release pictures from cmeras
on the armoured vehicles (which presumably exist) it might be possible to
get a clearer picture.

If anyone expects to see explosions hollywood style aka Rambo movies then
remember that in real life cars do not burst into flames when going over cliffs.

Just about the most you could expect would be to see the grenades
going off. Since the building was designed to be blast proof to some
extent it would be difficult to distinguish the grenades going off from
the collapse of the building due to the fire.

Paranoia.

You wouldn't beleive the FBI if they showed you a picture of Koresh himself
setting light to the place. Your mindset is such that you are simply
unable to accept as true anything that might suggest that a group of
heavily armed weapons fanatics might indeed be in the wrong.

The gun lobby can't accept that the B-D set light to the place because
that would mean that Koreh had murdered 17 children, that would mean that
their taking his account of the murder of 4 BATF agents would be even
less credible than it was to start with.

Koresh had 51 days to come out with his hands up and face a fair trial.
Instead he ordered the murder of everyone in the place.


Cool off!  These people have as much right to be here as you do.
(BTW, is this the kind of friendly, helpful service we should
expect from Cray?)


16. What is the condition of the propane tank mentioned by the BD
survivors? I.e. is it crushed and does it have tread marks on it?
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>


Hiyas ALL,

Upon getting Animated Desktop for Windows as a gift from my boyfriend, I
couldn't wait to install it. I had gotten an advertisement for it and put
it aside
with my list of 'I Wants.' After installing the software, it didn't load.
No part of
the software would load even though the install went seemingly well.

	I called Deltapoint with the problem and after asking me twenty
million different questions about my system.. concluded that I had one of
the
systems that the software was 'incompatible with'. Of course they're
willing to
give me my $$$ back.. What a waste of time and energy.  The folks on their
support line, although nice, are extremely ignorant regarding the workings
of
Windows 3.1.
	After my experience with the installation of the SB 16, I  learned
some of the function of windows dll files. Before sending back Desktop
Animator,  decided to do some fooling around with the different versions of

.dll files I had. I had 2 versions of cpalette.dll one dated 8/92 and >
100K the
other dated 1/93 and smaller (the 1/93 smaller version was the one supplied

with Desktop Animator). I moved the bigger, older version of cpalette.dll
to a
directory outside my path. (For some reason, I had the older Cpalette.dll
in my
Windows directory and the newer cpallette in my windows\system directory.)
When I did this, the animator's editor loaded.. and so did 2 other of the
applications in the package.. the main application still didn't load. Does
anyone have any ideas as to why this would occur or any further suggestions


A friend of mine who owns a pc said that he recently got a program that can
format a disk that can exceed the normal capacity of a HD disk. Apparently it
rewrites the driver or takes or the driver or _something_ that allows it get
more space out of a normal HD floppy disk.  It supposedly gets upto 1.6 Megs
(so something like 1640K?). I don't have the program - since I can't use it
and its supposed to be called something like "FORM16" or something like that.

My question is whether its possible to do this on the Mac and if its not
possible is it due to hardware limitations. A developer friend of mine said
that it might be possible but he doesn't deal with this aspect of the field
much.

Thanks for any information contributed.


Not anymore!  Recent archaeological inspection of the site presents pretty
compelling evidence that the "mass suicide" at Masada never occured.  This
evidence was so compelling tha the Tzahal no long hold their secret ceremony
at the fortress.


Hi.
I'd like to substitute the exciting win3.1 opening logo for our own
company logo at boot up time. Is this a matter of replacing the logo
file with our own logo? And what format should the company logo be
in? Thanks.


I have a lots of .cgm files produced by NCAR Graph Utility V3.00.

They are all color graphs, and I want to print them out.

The printers I own are Postscript, and HP 7475a. Anyone who have

experiences in this please tell me, e-mail me will be very nice.

Or if someone knows how to convert those .cgm  files into .gif

pcx, .bmp .... , it will helps a lot.


The IRS doesn't need to rely on the Federal Marshall's Services; the
IRS has its own Swat teams. I saw a picture of one in an article on
the IRS in some magazine or other.
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>


Mathew:

Could you let us know when this happened, so I can see if my version
is as up-to-date as possible?  I try to re-save the FAQs once in a
while, but otherwise I ignore their regular postings, so I wouldn't
generally notice such a change.

And I like to stay current.

Thanks,


Just to add to this vein, consider that range of a first baseman is not
the only important thing.  He is IMO the best fielder of bad throws from
the other infielders.  I have seen him scoop balls out of the dirt, catch
balls off a large bounce, take down balls over his head, wide, etc. ad
infinitum.  *And* he gets the out, much of the time.  Some of the things
he does to save his infielders of errors are amazing.  You have to give
Mattingly credit for being able to do all of that while keeping his foot
near the bag (yes, I am sure he gets a few calls because he is Mattingly :-)


I'm using Norton Cache 5.0, which is really nice but horrible incompatible.
Some games won't work it, my streamer software won't work with it and Windows
doesn't like it at all. But when copying or deleting lots of small files, only
NCACHE is really fast. You see, to write a file the FAT must be changed. But to
write 1000 files the FAT must be changed only once. Is there any cache program
out there which is smart enough to do the same and good enough to run with all my
applications? Any help is really appreciated.


david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) write:
we are talking about a SCSI-1 device (e.g. HD) on a SCSI-2 Controller.

Here is a rewrite of my Mac & Info sheet SCSI section:
SCSI: only external device expansion interface common to both Mac and IBM.
 Allows the use of any device: hard drive, printer, scanner, Nubus card
 expansion {Mac Plus only}, some monitors, and CD-ROM.  Normal {asynchronous}
 SCSI is 5 Mhz;  fast {synchronous} SCSI is 10 Mhz.  Difference between these
 modes is mainly in the software drivers.
 Main problem:  there are a lot of external devices which are internal
 terminated which causes problems for more then two devises off the SCSI port
 {A SCSI chain is supposed to be terminated ONLY at the begining and end.
 Any other set up causes problems for either Mac or IBM}.
SCSI-1:  8-bit; 7 devices per SCSI controller.  asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave}
 and synchronous {5MB/s max} transfers.  8-bit SCSI-2 is often mistaken for
 a fast version of SCSI-1 {see SCSI-2 for details}.
SCSI-2: fully SCSI-1 compliant. SCSI-2 mode - 10 devices per SCSI controller.
 8-bit SCSI-2 is implimented as a very fast SCSI-1 since it can run using
 SCSI-1 hardware and software drivers which limits it to 7 devices, which
 results in it sometimes being mistakenly consitered part of SCSI-1.  16-bit
 and 32-bit SCSI-2 require different ports, electronics, and SCSI software
 drivers from SCSI-1 {Which makes them more expensive than other SCSI
 interfaces}.  32-bit SCSI seems to run only in synchronous mode, hence term
 'wide and fast SCSI' Transfer speeds are 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit},
 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst
 {32-bit}.

8-bit SCSI-2 is the BIGGEST headache due to the fact that it is the ONLY SCSI-2
that I know of that can pump SCSI-2 speeds through SCSI-1 devices and software
controlers.  Its MAIN implimentation is on the Mac though you do see adds
for SCSI-2 at 10MB/s maximum throughput for PCs.  Since 8-bit SCSI-2 does NOT
NEED all the hardware {including electonics} and software of 16-bit and 32-bit
SCSI-2 it is the CHEEPEST of the SCSI-2 interfaces.  Just pop out the SCSI-1
electornics and pop in 8-bit SCSI-2 electronics.  Some people consider
16-bit where SCSI-2 REALLY starts {I USED to be one of them} but
4-6MB/s average though put with a theoretical burst of 10MB/s is NOT SCSI-1
but is 8-bit SCSI-2.
Rule of thumb: if it is SCSIn and OVER 5MB/s then it is SOME type of SCSI-2.


If there is a "USA Today ftp site" could someone please post it to the
   newsgroup so everyone will stop posting the "send it to me too" articles.
   I'm sure many people woulds like to know so why not just post it to the net
   rather than mailing hundreds of people.

   Just a thought.

    Thanks,    Ryan Robin.


I'm very grateful for scott's reflections on this oft-quoted phrase.  Could
someone please remind me of the Scriptural source for it?  (Rom. 12.9 doesn't
count, kids.)  The manner in which this little piece of conventional wisdom is
applied has, in my experience, been uniformly hateful and destructive.


Derek....

There is a tool available to reset the service indicator on BMWs but the lights
will come back on after 2-3 weeks. The tool is in fact illegal (in Europe
atleast). It is often the case that the unsuspecting punter trots off to buy a
used BMW and a few weeks later, all the lights come on! Other than that, I know
of no other tool.... anyone else?

About changing oil every 15,000 miles.... thats ok.... on newer Audis, they
only require it after every 12,000 miles (I am talking about an oil change)
Just a query: do you drive your car VERY VERY carefully? Like no sudden
acceleration etc? If yeah, then the 15,000 M oil change seems quite reasonable.
But if you drive kinda fast... I'd get a bit up tight abot that 15,000 thingy

(a point to note: just because the first light came on at 3k, doesn't mean
all the others will come on every 3k too)


[ideas that are claimed not to work deleted...]

How about putting your system inside a faraday cage?  Even I could build
one...
/Jim


Well, that was an easy decision.  No more Bianchi anything for me.


A person sees the front of their home is strewn with garbage. That
person removes the trash, and sweeps the sidewalk. His next door neigh-
bors have not. The person then approaches his two neighbors and talks
to them about cleaning the front of their homes, and why it would be
good for their own living conditions, and that of the neighborhood.
   There's nothing wrong with holding your neighbors accountable for
their actions. That is the basis for a viable, safe community.

Regards,


Being wierd again, so be warned:

Is there a plan to put a satellite around each planet in the solar system to
keep watch? I help it better to ask questions before I spout an opinion.

How about a mission (unmanned) to Pluto to stay in orbit and record things
around and near and on Pluto.. I know it is a strange idea, but why not??
It could do some scanning of not only Pluto, but also of the solar system,
objects near and aaroundpluto, as well as SETI and looking at the galaxy
without having much of the solar system to worry about..


 > Lines: 13
 > NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
 >
 >
 >
 > >Our little Goebbels, to those who forgot, is talking about an alleged
 > >"infection" of "fine Egyptian men", by a "Mossad agent caught spying
 > >with her father in Egypt". As noted before, the women is a Muslim
 > >Israeli, she was not a spy, and she didn't infect anybody.
 >
 > The Jewish version of the story!!
 >
 > "A Muslim Israeli."  I thought it is a Jewish State.
 > Hasn't it yet been defined up to this point?
 >

     This is a post from a hospital?  The inmates from foam the cushion ward
  have net access!


To all the readers of talk.politics.mideast,alt.flame,alt.stupidity

I am posting this message on behalf of a staff member at UCDavis whose
account had been broken into and used to post offensive messages to
all these groups.

	--Dave

----begin included message from szljubi@othello.ucdavis.edu

Please be advised that the person(s) sending to you the inflammatory
remarks you have been receiving have been doing so by ILLEGALLY accessing
my account.

Our campus Information Technology security group has cut off my account's
access to this hacker, and every effort is being made to track down this
person.

I apologize profusely that you have been subjected to the derogatory
comments made by this person and I detest that my name was attached to
them.

Thank you to those of you who alerted our campus security about the nature
of this problem.

Sincerely,
P. Ljubi


I define faith as "belief, in the abscense(sp?) of evidence". I also
include in "evidence" past experiences. Because I have no past experience
in a god actually having an effect on my life and because I have never
seen evidence for any god beyond what can be explained without the
neccessity of a god or which is more convincing than the many fictional
works I have read (And other reasons), I do not believe in any god(s).
From what I have seen, some people reconcile this lack of evidence by
using faith.
It is faith in that sense (the only way I _currently_ understand the word
"faith") that I find intellectually dishonest.

Pascal's wager goes something like this:
Premise #1: Either there is or there isn't a God.
Premise #2: If God exists, He wants us to believe and will damn us for not
believing.
Premise #3: If God does not exist, then belief in God doesn't matter
because death is death, anyway.
Conclusion: Belief in God is superior to non-belief because
non-belief damns us to eternal punishment if we are wrong, while belief in
God only wastes a little time in life if we are wrong.

Sound pretty straightforward and is logically sound. The problem is,
Premise #1 presupposes 1:1 odds between belief and non-belief. This is
flat out wrong, because of the sheer number of religions out there and the
fact that, for the most part, the religions are mutually exclusive. I have
heard theists referred to as "99% atheists" because they believe in their
god (or gods) to be the _one_ god (or set of gods). The consequence of
this is "what if I pick the wrong god?" Suddenly, the odds don't look so
good because picking the wrong god or wrong doctrines of a god still
leaves you with the possibility of being wrong and being damned to another
god's version of hell.

I don't see how "disillusionment" enters into it. You see, I presented my
mother's treatment of me to show the cause of my questioning my atheism, a
questioning which continues to this day. I had already been an atheist for
five years before having any contact with my mother's version of
Christianity. If anything, I had become somewhat disillusioned with
atheism (uh, oh, I thought, What if there *is* a God?). Yes, in a way, I
have also become disillusioned by many religions, simply because I had
thought at one time that they had all the answers, if I only found the
right one.
I'm still looking, but each time I look in a different place, I become a
little stronger in my attitude (belief, if you will, no faith, though,
it's based on the evidence of past experience) that I'll never find a
religion which has all the answers.
Sorta like looking for Easter eggs. The more time it takes you to find the
next one, the more convinced you become that you may already have found
all the eggs you're going to find.
Someone else mentioned that critisism isn't going to make me think any
more highly of Christians. I have a contrary position: Constructive
critisism will likely improve my attitude towards Christians. Abusive
critisism will turn me off.
No accusations to you, Mr. Sapienza. I merely slipped that into this post
because I forgot to reply to that one.

Muppets and Garlic Toast forever.

Max (Bob) Muir


Does anyone know of any c or c++ libraries for preparing
and displaying quickly pages of mixed text, mathematical equations,
and graphics (circles,ellipses,etc) on the vdu? The maths wouldnt
need to be up to TeX quality, but it would be useful to be scaleable.
The main thing would be to be able to generate the display quickly
from a minimum set of formatting code.
Thanks,
Ed Campbell


Be careful that you do not have any weight of the helmet resting on the
mirror.  It will depress the foam liner in the helmet.  That is not the
kind of foam that bounces back, like foam rubber.  Its purpose in life
is to absorb energy in an impact as it is compressed by your noggin.
If your mirror compresses it, there is that much less energy absorbing
capacity left to cushon your noggin in a crash.

I found the right handlebar to be a good spot, if on the sidestand.
Hang with the chinbar facing up, balanced across the grip and brake
lever such that the weight of the helmet doesn't compress any of the
chinbar foam.  This is more challanging with an open face helmet.


Hello.  My colleague has a Samtron monitor.  On the manual
	cover, it says SC-431 and SC-428 for model numbers.  The
	manual does not specify if it is interlaced or non-interlaced,
	so does anyone know what it is?
	thanks


Japan is _much_ more open than Korea.

Yes.  A Pontiac Grand Am suffers a factor of _2_ increase in price
when it is exported to Japan.

However, a Dodge vehicle (the one that Congressman Gephardt mentioned)
suffers a factor of _4_ increase in price when it is exported to Korea.
A Ford Taurus suffers the same problem.  A Honda Accord costs--I am
not making this up--$48,000 in Korea.

Just how many people would want to buy a Honda Accord for $48,000?

Solution:  All ships carrying Korean-made vehicles should be returned
           to Seoul.  Pronto.  Until as such time as Korea decides
           that it wants to abide by the rules of free and fair trade
           with the USA and Japan.


Given that what i described for the HST  seemed to be the SMT,   and given
the mass amrgins on the discovery mission  is tight enough that  spacewalking
has to be carefully constrained.....  No EDO pallets,  no spare Suits,
no extra MMU's.

WHy not do this?

	Quick Test  Goldins philosophjy  of faster cheaper, better.

Build a real fast Space TUg,  to handle the re-boost  of the HST  using
clean Cryo fuels,  and get it ready before the  HST mission.

If NASA  could build Mercury in 13 months,  they should be able to make
an SMT in 9.

How much would it need?

Guidance package.  Use a  Voyager spare.

Thruster gear,  Use H2O2,  or LOX/LH.

Bus  Use a Commsat.

Grapple fixture.   Use a stripped down Canadarm.

Comms package.   SPare  X-band  omni  gear.


*********  Sega Genesis + Sega CD Forsale   *******

	Recently moved in with some friends who have genesis + Cd player so I'm selling my whole setup.  I'd like to sell everything together.  The package come with....

Sega Genesis
Sega CD
2 Joysticks
1 Pad
Sewer Shark (CD)
Sol-Feace (CD)
Sega Classics (CD) (5 Games on 1 CD)
	Streets of Rage
	Revenge of Shinobi
	Columns
	Golden Axe
Sherlock Holmes (CD)
CD+G Music + graphics sampler
John Madden 92' (Cart)

********************************************************************************	I'm selling all of the above for $325 plus I'll split shipping.  I
don't want to sell things seperately.  Please reply to jth@bach.udel.edu
********************************************************************************


At work we have a small appletalk network with 3 macs and  couple of printers.
We also have a PC that has some specialized accounting software that we would
like to operate from any of the macs. We have Soft PC, and I have found that the
software works just fine under it, but I would like to have all of the data
for the program reside at one place (the PC hard disk). So my question for you
is(actually questions)

 1) is there a board for the PC that will allow you to hook into an appletalk
    network?

 2) if #1 is possible, is there any software/hardware combination that will
    allow me to mount the PC hard disk as a networked disk on the macs so I
    can use Soft PC to run the application?

 3) if #1 or #2 is impossible, is there any other way to accomplish what I am
    after?


No, Brian's hurt. His hand I think.  He started Saturday's game but was taken
out.  It's far too early to populate the dog house, although Bedrock was seen
with a milkbone.


I am urgently looking for the following article, can I cannot find it
anywhere in our local libraries:

      John Allen Smith
      "The Multi-Threaded X Server"
      The X Resource
        Issue 1, pp. 73-89, Winter 1992

If anyone can tell me where I can find it, I WILL much appreciate it!!

H.F. Sadie
Departement of Computer Science
University of Stellenbosch
South Africa


Cancel private health insurance?

	When government care that only covers 20% of the population consumes
42% of the spending for health care?

	NOT!

	National Health Expenditures: 1960 to 1990
(Includes Puerto Rico and outlying areas.)

Year	Health Services and Supplies ($billions)
	Private		Public
====================================
1960	$19.8		$5.7	(22% of total)
1970	$44.1		$24.9	(56% of total)
1980	$140.7		$98.1	(41% of total)
1990	$374.8		$268.6	(42% of total)

[Source: American Almanac, Page 97.  1992-3 Edition]

	Now you understand where most of that 12.2% of GNP is going--to waste.

	By these figures, private insurance is spending 58% of the money to
cover 4 times as many people.

	Go figure.


Any state that the CIA does not control is called "state that is linked
to terrorism/militants/fundamentalists etc.."
Meanwhile Even Egyptian "experts" who hate The Islamic movement admit
that what is happening in Egypt is spontaneous and most of the time a
reaction to what the government does.

...

Can anybody see any contradiction between the above and the first
paragraph?
Does anybody know what the UPI original article's title was?


No Cramer it does not.  In this instance you are telling porkies to
*yourself* as well as everyone else.  Haven't you ever been to a
cafe or restaurant and been absalutely stuffed full of goodies and yet
when one more item, just a little different, with a new texture and
a new taste, was presented you *somehow* found the space for it.

Maybe you haven't, so what?  It is a widely reported phenomina and
I reckon the same applies to sex.


All children are born pure, i.e., without sin.
However, most saints would view a pregnancy
outside of marriage as an occasion of mourning.
(Some church members would be much more
judgmental, but that is *their* problem.)

In situations where welfare assistance is
provided through our Church, bishops usually
require that the family be making some effort to
live the Gospel standards and provide for
themselves.

However, there are occasions when assistance is
provided because of the children in the home.
As a former bishop of mine said, "Children are
always worthy before God."

I am not sure what you mean by the term "bastards"
in this context.

Latter-Day Saints believe that through the
temple ordinances the family unit may be
preserved in eternity.

If you use genealogical material or software
produced by the Church, you may notice a section
for "temple ordinances."  Within that section
there should be a spot for signifying "BIC"
which stands for "born in the covenant."

The children born to couple sealed (married)
within the temple are "born in the covenant"
and are eligible to be part of that eternal
family unit.
Children born to other couples (whether in a
civil marriage or not) would have to be
sealed to their parents after their marriage
is solemnized for eternity.

Supposing a child were born to a woman out of
wedlock, he or she could be sealed to his or
her parents at a later date or adopted into
any eternal family unit (which may include one
of the birth parents).

I can't say if this principle of adoption
was revealed at the same time as the sealing
ordinances, but it has been accepted for the
~15 years I have been in the Church.

I would tend to discount any admonitions from
the Church authorities against having children
out of wedlock because even though there are
provisions within the Lord's plan to recover
what we have done wrong the Church does not
want to give anyone the impression we can sin
and repent at our leisure.


Yeah... I think that the Flames and the Flyers traded Captains once... Mel
Bridgeman for Brad Marsh.


[anti-Israel rantings deleted]

As my father says in Russian, "pol yevreya, poltara anitsemita" or roughly
translated "half a Jew is an anti-semite and a half."  Now, Mr. Davidsson,
I know what he means.


Folks,

It's time to start building some precise questions to send to our
federal elected officials and to investigative reporters in our
local TV, radio and newprint media.  Ideally, these questions could be
asked at any investigation into the BATF's and FBI's participation
at the WACO fiasco in hopes of being resolved and, hopefully, wake
up the local news media that they are not getting the entire truth
from the BATF and FBI.  My list is up to 13 that are really nagging
at my gut.  The list will probably grow.

1.   What were the contents of the original warrant, now sealed, that
     the BATF obtained?

2.   It is reasonable to believe that illegal firearms and/or ammunition
     could not be flushed down the toilet.  Therefore, a "no-knock"
     raid could be ruled out.  Prior to the initial assault on the
     complex, did a single BATF agent and accompanying witness (without
     a contingent of assault and news media personnel) attempt to knock
     on the door of the Branch Davidian's complex and serve the warrant
     in a manner prescribed by law?

3.   On the day of the initial assault on the complex, BATF agents
     were aware that several small children were inside the buildings.
     In the ensueing gun battle, BATF agents fired into a building
     known to contain children, killing at least one two-year old child.
     Knowing children were present, why didn't the BATF have an
     alternate plan and immediately retreat from the area close to
     the complex and implement the alternate plan rather than opening
     fire and jeopardizing the lives of the children in the building?

4.   The FBI spokesman states that paper evidence indicates that
     David Koresh and members of the Branch Davidians possessed over
     $200,000 in firearms and ammunition.  Did David Koresh and the
     members of the Branch Davidians have a valid Federal Firearms
     License, were they actively participating in the legal business
     of selling/buying firearms and ammunition, and were any of the
     weapons they had illegally possessed?  Does this paper evidence
     consist only of weapons purchased or does it include legally
     dispossessed weapons.

5.   After the original assault on the compound tragically failed,
     a BATF spokeswoman stated "We were outgunned!".  Yet, TV newscasts
     of video tape filmed at the time of the incident show BATF agents
     armed with MP-5 and AR-15/M16 rifles.  Although unclear on the
     video tape because of obstruction from full view by agent's
     bodies, they also may have had AK-47 and SKS rifles.  What type(s)
     of firearms did the BATF agents have immediate access to at the
     scene of the original assault on the complex?

6.   Since there is no evidence to confirm anyone was inside the
     complex involuntarily, why did the FBI treat it as a "hostage"
     situation?

7.   Along the same lines, why did the FBI use "psychological warfare"
     techniques, including sensory overload, sleep deprivation, and
     other disruptive techniques that would test the sanity of any
     normal person rather than using techniques aimed at placing the
     complex occupants into a calmer frame of mind?

8.   Reports indicate several of the children inside the complex
     were accompanied by their mothers.  Since it is reasonable
     to expect these mothers would have their children taken away
     from them if they came out, why did the FBI expect the mothers
     to just walk out and surrender themselves to the authorities?

9.   Agents at the scene claim to have seen members of the Branch
     Davidians setting fire to the complex.  Branch Davidian members
     who survived the inferno claim the fire was started when an
     armored vehicle punched through the wall and knocked over a
     lantern which was setting on a table.  Video tape of the incident
     does show an armored vehicle punching a hole in the wall and the
     fire erupted almost immediately from the same general location.
     Was the source of the fire the same room where the armored vehicle
     penetrated?

10.  FBI spokesmen are voicing the opinion that the David Koresh and
     the members of the Branch Davidians committed mass suicide.  Yet,
     bodies are being discovered throughout the house and other areas
     within the building complex.  This seems to be counter to any
     known mass suicides through history.  What evidence does the FBI
     have that a mass suicide pact existed?

11.  FBI Director Sessions stated that the massive fireball shown on
     the video tape was caused by the Branch Davidian's ammunition
     and/or powder cache exploding.  Yet, the fireball seems to be
     more characteristic of the type created when compressed gas
     or other highly volatile fuel source explodes.  Was any evidence
     found which would indicate the Branch Davidians had an ammunition
     and/or powder cache which exploded to create this fireball?  If so,
     and if David Koresh and members of the Branch Davidians were
     engaged in the legal business of selling/buying firearms, was the
     amount determined to be excessively greater than one would expect
     for someone engaged in such a legal business?

12.  It is rumored that one FBI agent was extremely upset about critical
     news media coverage and intentionally used an armored vehicle to
     crush a reporter's car which had been left at the compound.  Is
     there any factual basis to this rumor and, if so, what charges will
     be brought against the FBI agent who performed the act?

13.  FBI Director Sessions states that, during the final assault on the
     complex, "over 80 shots were fired at the vehicles."  On the video
     tape of the incident, you can hear the drone of the armored vehicles
     engines.  Yet, there is no sound of the sharp reports that one
     would expect to hear if shots were fired.  Also, there are no
     indications of smoke and/or muzzle flashes appearing from the windows,
     buildings or other structures in the video.  Surely, these should be
     evident if the Branch Davidians had fired on the armored vehicles.
     Finally, the video tape does not show any indication of paint splatter,
     sparks or other characteristic spray of material which should be
     apparent if the Branch Davidians had fired upon the vehicles.  Do
     any of the armored vehicles which were brought in to pump tear gas
     into the compound show evidence of fresh damage due to being hit by
     shots from high-power rifles?

14.  CS gas is considered to be a chemical warfare agent.  The United
     States has signed international treaties which prevent the use
     of CS gas in warfare.  If the United States could not morally use
     CS gas against Saddam Hussein and his troops, why is it morally
     acceptable to use the same agent against citizens of our own land?

15.  On April 21, FBI spokesmen state that at least 3 bodies discovered
     in the complex had bullet wounds to the head indicating they had
     been murdered or had committed suicide.  On April 22, the county
     coroner claims he knows nothing about any bodies found with bullet
     wounds to the head.  Were any of the victims bodies found within
     the burned out complex have bullet wounds to the head?


It was filmed the day of the first assault.  The BDs clearly allowed the
BATF agents who were shot and wounded to leave the compound.  The
lesson, I suppose is that you should keep shooting untill ALL the pigs
are dead and then get the fuck outa dodge. Never give a pig an even
break.


Catch tonight's (Thursday's) CBS Street Stories.  Covers, among others,
the work of AWARE (Arming Women Against Rape and Endangerment), a women's
empowerment and training group in Massachusetts.  They'll be interviewing
spokesperson Nancy Bittle, as well as some of her students.  (Assuming
all of the "interesting" stuff they taped makes the final cut.)

[If they show the ugly housebreaker in the toque and sunglasses, wave hi.]
--


On TV news this morning it was reported that the local Texas authorities
who have reviewed the cases of the 21 children who were released
earlier in the siege have found no evidence of physical or sexual
abuse of any of the children.  I don't recall if this was on Good
Morning America or our local Texas TV station.


RADAR (Radio Association Defending Airwave Rights) says that Geico
insurance not only buy's Radar for police but also actively lobbies
states to promote making Radar Detectors illegal.   I think the
buying part is a misuse of money but the Radar Detector part shows
how little they know about the issue.  No study I am aware of has ever
concluded that detectors have a negative impact on safety or that
users have a higher average speed.  Incompetence by Geico?  I think
so.

Troy Wecker
troy@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems
Beaverton, OR


I don't "notice" refs and linesmen until the playoffs come around, and
yes I have to agree that Stewart called the *two* worst games I've seen
so far (Mtl-Quebec game 1, and last nights Toronto-Detroit game).

What's the scoop on this guy? Is he the latest incarnation of
KERRY FRASER??? Just because you are boneheadedly stubborn doesn't
make you a good ref!!! Making the right call does...

My votes for:
Best Ref: Van Hellemond
Most Improved: Koharski
Worst: Paul Stewart

(Oops, I don't really want to start a best/worst ref thread so don't
follow up ;-)


So, the Greek educational system is also in a shambles. History shows
that within the last 170 years, Greeks played that game twice: They
used Istanbul Patriarch Grigorios in 1822 to instigate the Morea
rebellion that resulted in the massacres of the Muslim people. Again,
the Orthodox Patriarch Constantine V invited the Russian Czar Nicholas
II to invade the Ottoman Empire 'in the name of Jesus,' and save his
flock from Ottoman rule.

Source: "The 'Past' in Medieval and Modern Greek Culture," in Speros
         Vryonis, ed., 'Byzantina kai Metabyzantina,' Vol I (Malibu,
         Calif., 1978).

p. 161.

In the words of Professor Skiotis, "With savage jubilance, [the Greeks]
sang the words 'Let no Turk remain in the Morea, nor in the whole world.'
The Greeks were determined to achieve to 'Romaiko' in the only way they
knew how: through a war of religious extermination."

Let me further improve this one for you. After the Ottoman Empire lost
World War I, the British landed in 1919 a 200,000 Greek army in Izmir
to exterminate the people of Turkiye. Are you suffering from a severe
case of amnesia? The tired and defeated Turks rose up, formed a National
Force under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal, and on August 30, 1922 they
annihilated the bulk of the Greek Army.

Now wait, there is more.

  <<The Greek War of Independence brought disaster to the Jewish communities
  in the Peloponnesos, where the revolution erupted in 1821. The Jews,
  because of their close association with the Ottoman administration,
  were massacred along with the Turks. The Jewish communities of Mistras,
  Tripolis, and Kalamata were decimated; the few survivors moved north to
  settle in Chalkis and Volos, still under Ottoman rule. Patras lost its
  ancient Jewish community, which was refounded only in 1905.>>

                                         Nikos Stavroulakis
                                      'Athens-Auschwitz', page ix.

  Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and
          the Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

  page 187:

  <<...the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire which had been going on
  for a century was disastrous for Ottoman Jewry. This was the age of
  nationalism among the Christian subjects of the Sultan, starting with
  the Greek Revolution early in the nineteenth century, which, based on
  the Megali Idea, or Great Idea, sought to add to Greek kingdom Istanbul
  and large portions of Anatolia, union of which with Greece was felt to be
  the 'dream and hope of all'. The success of the Greek national movement,
  provided more in fact by the intervention of the Great Powers than by the
  efforts of the Greeks themselves, stimulated similar uprisings among the
  other subjects in Southeastern Europe who had long been oppressed, not so
  much by the Ottomans but, rather, by the Greek religious hierarchy which
  dominated the Orthodox millet, leading first to pressure for religious
  independence, granted to the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchate in 1870, to the
  Serbian Church in 1879, and to the Rumanian Church in 1885, with subsequent
  aspirations for, and achievement of, political independence following...>>

  page 188:

  <<...They [new nationalist leaders] were greatly assisted in their
   campaigns against the Ottomans both by the diplomatic and consular
   representatives of the major Powers of Europe and also by Christian
   missionaries, who emphasized feelings of Christian superiority and
   hatred for Muslims and Jews which fortified the religious as well as
   ethnic bases of their pursuit of independence.

   Christian nationalism, based as much on religious as on ethnic identity,
   soon resurrected the medieval bigotries which had devastated both Jews
   and Muslims and consequently had driven them together in the past.
   Vicious anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic movements developed, involving
   large-scale persecutions and massacres carried out by invading armies,
   by the independent states that resulted, also by Christian subjects
   who remained within the Empire, particularly because of Jewish and Muslim
   support for Ottoman integrity in fear of their fate in the emergent
   nationalist states of Southeastern Europe. The results were explosive
   and damaging.

   The invading armies of Russia and Austria as well as the revolting
   nationalists and, later, successfully established independent Christian
   states, committed systematic genocide against Jews and Muslims throughout
   the nineteenth century, despite Great Power admonitions to the contrary
   in the treaties of Paris (1858) and Berlin (1878),...>>

  page 188:

  <<...As the peoples of Southeastern Europe achieved their independence,
   their Muslim and Jewish minorities were systematically persecuted and
   massacred, and those who survived were driven beyond the ever-shrinking
   boundaries of the retreating Ottoman Empire in a kind of slaughter which
   had not been seen since the dispersal of the Jews from Palestine centuries
   earlier.

   This sort of genocide had begun as long before as the late sixteenth
   century, with the Rumanian Principalities taking the lead, as united
   Rumania did subsequently during the later years of the nineteenth
   century. In 1579 the ruler of Moldavia, Peter the Lame, banished its
   Jews because of their competition with its Christian merchants. When
   Prince Micheal the Brave revolted against the Ottomans in the Rumanian
   principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia in 1593, he ordered the massacre
   of all the Jews as well as Turks in Bucharest.>>

  page 189:

  <<The slaughter continued well into the nineteenth century. When the
  Greeks revolted against Ottoman rule many Greek volunteers coming from
  Russia and the Principalities to join in the effort slaughtered and
  plundered the Jewish communities along their paths as they went through
  Moldavia and Wallachia toward Greece.>>

  page 190 (second paragraph):

  <<When Venice occupied the island of Chios in 1694, its Jewish population
   was either massacred or deported and all Jewish communal and personal
   property was stolen by the native Greek population, leaving those Jews
   who returned in utter poverty and reduced to begging, no longer able to
   compete with the Greeks in trade or commerce.>>

  page 190 (third paragraph):

  <<Jews living in Greece and the Rumanian principalities suffered terribly
   because of their support for Ottoman rule. When the Greek nationalist
   movement Philike Etairia started its uprising in Wallachia and Moldavia
   during the spring of 1821, hundreds of Jews and Muslims were killed by
   the Greeks who lived there as well as by native Wallachs [14]. During
   the height of the Greek revolution, five thousand Jews were massacred
   in Morea along with most of the Muslim population, numbering about
   twenty thousand in all [15]. In Tripolizza alone 1,200 Jews were
   massacred along with uncounted Turks [16].  Reverend John Hartley,
   after describing the carnage, concluded 'Thus did Jewish blood, mingled
   with Turkish, flow down the streets of captured city. The sons of Isaac
   and the sons of Ishmael, on this as well as on every occasion during the
   Greek Revolution, met with common fate. Their corpses were cast out of the
   city, and, like the ancient sovereign of Judah, they received no burial
   superior to that of an ass.' [17] Jewish communities on the islands of
   Sparta, Patras, Corinthos, Mistra, and Argos were wiped out by bands of
   Greek rebels along with those of Thebes, Vrachori, Attica and Epirus [18].
   The surviving Jews fled to the island of Corfu, where Jews who had fled
   from Italy, and the Iberian Peninsula had lived in peace and prosperity
   under the Venetian rule since the twelfth century, though divided into
   rival Greek and Italian communities. It was not long, however, before
   it too fell victim to the Greek Revolution, leading to savage repression
   and massacres of Jews, forcing the surviving members of the two communities
   to come together for self-defense for the first time. Throughout the years
   of Greek revolution, Greek nationalists went from town to town on the
   mainland and from island to island in the Agean, exterminating all the
   Jews and Muslims they could find, many along the roads as they desperately
   fled to safety in what was left of the Ottoman Empire. Contemporary
   accounts relate that the Greeks left the murdered Jews and Muslims lying
   exposed so their bodies could be torn apart by the buzzards [19]. Most of
   the Jews who survived these massacres fled across the Agean in small boats
   to Izmir, thus starting its rise as one of the leading centers of Ottoman
   Jewish life during the nineteenth century. Only in Northern Greece,
   particularly in the areas of Janina and Salonica, were the Jews and the
   Turks able to successfully resist the Greek assaults, thus saving their
   populations from massacre as well [20]. During the remainder of the 19th
   century, particularly during the Greek-Turkish war in 1897, those Jews
   who remained in Greece in the areas of Athens, Chalkis, Larissa, Corfu
   and Crete suffered severe persecution and massacre, forcing thousands
   more to emigrate into Ottoman territory, particularly to Salonica and
   Izmir [21].>>

   page 193 (last paragraph):

   <<The inclusion in the Treaty of Berlin of stipulations providing
   protection for the Jewish and Muslim minorities in Southeastern Europe
   stimulated more popular anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim hysteria in all
   the countries involved, with blood-libel accusations once again being
   used as pretexts for attacking and ravaging Jewish quarters as well as
   for new tactics for boycotting Jewish shopkeepers, merchants and
   professionals, a movement which was quickly adapted by the Christian
   millets in the major cities of the Ottoman Empire. Because the Bulgarians,
   Rumanians and Greeks correctly regarded the Jews as supporters of the
   Turks, both Jews and Turks were expelled from these countries in equally
   atrocious and brutal manners. Their property was plundered and their
   homes and shops taken over without compensation, while the survivors
   fled in desperation to Edirne and Istanbul. While official statements
   subsequently were issued granting equal rights to Jews, little was done
   in fact and they continued to be persecuted regularly well into the
   twentieth century.>>

  page 194 (last paragraph):

  <<Things were not much better elsewhere in Southeastern Europe or the
   Greek islands of the Agean and the eastern Mediterranean. In 1891 the
   Jews on Corfu were subjected to severe persecution by local Greeks due
   to the revival of the old ritual murder accusations [26]. Many of
   those who survived found refuge in Ottoman territory with the help of a
   popular subscription drive carried out in Istanbul under leadership of
   the Banque Camondo. In 1881 and 1884, and again in 1892 and 1903,
   thousands of Jews came to Ottoman territory as a result of pogroms
   in Russia which went on between 1881 and 1921 with only slight periods
   of respite. In 1899 Jewish families arrived in Istanbul in flight from
   persecution in Vidin, in independent Bulgaria.

   The conquest of Ottoman Thrace and Macedonia by Greek and Bulgarian
   forces during the Balkan Wars (1912-13), including Salonica, Corlu,
   and Edirne, was followed by general attacks on Jews, their synagogues,
   homes and shops, in both countries [27], resulting in a renewed exodus
   toward Istanbul and beyond. Two reports from Salonica graphically
   described the situation caused by the invading armies:

      'All the self-interested justifications of the newspapers of Europe,
      all the lies which they have used to cover up the truth, can never
      destroy the impression of the terrible anguish which has marked the
      entry of the Greeks in Salonica. A week of terror and horror one can
      never easily forget. The Hellenes now cruelly feel today all the
      damage that the explosion of hatred by the (Greek) population has done
      to their cause. The mob has shown itself odious and the government
      weak...The incompetence of the Greek administration and the horrors
      inflicted by the soldiers has put them in a terrible situation. The
      consuls guaranteed the absolute safety of the Muslims, but sixty of
      them were massacred in a single night....'[28]

     'It wasn't only irregulars (Comitacis) who massacred, pillaged and
      burned. The soldiers of the Army, the Chief of Police, and the high
      civil officials took an active part in the events at Serres. Out of
      6,000 houses, 4,000 were burned. Almost 1,200 shops were consumed by
      flames and destructive bombs. The (Jewish) population lost all, and
      without even anything to wear is in despair. Everyone wants to
      emigrate...'[29]

  page 196:

    <<As a result of these assaults, massacres, and forced deportations from
   the independent countries of Southeastern Europe, the Ottoman Empire
   received literally thousands of Jewish refugees who joined the Muslims
   who survived the persecution, flooding into the Empire...>>

[14] Shlomo Rozanes, Korot Hayehudim Beturkiyah Vebeartzot Hakedem:
    Hadorot Haachronim (Jerusalem, 1945), pp.42-44, cited Yitzchak Kerem,
    'The Influence of Anti-Semitism on Jewish Immigration Patterns from
    Greece to the Ottoman Empire in the 19th Century', pp.2, 14.

[15] Maxime Raybaud, Memoires sur la Grece, pour servir a l'histoire de la
    Guerre de l'Independence (2 Vols, Paris, 1824), pp.5-19; Galante,
    Turcs et Juifs (Istanbul, 1932), 76-77.

[16] Rev. T.S. Hughes, Travels in Greece and Albania (2nd edn, 2 vols,
    London, 1830), II, 194-95.

[17] Rev. John Hartley, Researches in Greece and the Levant (London, 1831),
    207, quoted in Yitzchak Kerem, 'Jewish Immigration Patterns from Greece
    to the Ottoman Empire in the Nineteenth Century', published paper
    delivered at the Comite International d'Etudes Pre-Ottomanes et Ottomanes,
    VIII Symposium, 'Decision-Making and the Transmission of Authority
    in the Turkic System', University of Minnesota, Minneapolis,
    Minnesota, 14-19 August 1988, p.4.

[18] Hartley, ibid., pp.206-7, William Martin Leake, Travels in Northern
    Greece (2 Vols, London, 1835) II, 231-32, 609; Errikos Sevillas,
    Athens-Auschwitz (Athens, 1983), p.ix, quoted in Kerem, ibid., p.14.

[19] Documented in Kerem, ibid., pp.14-19. Pearl L. Preschel, The Jews
    of Corfu (Greece), Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, New York University,
    1984. Goerge Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution (London, 1861),
    172, 179-86; See also 'Greece', EJ VII, 876-77.

[20] Yoannina Vasdraveli, Ee Thessaloniki: Kata Ton Agona Tis Aneksantizias
    (Salonica, 1946), pp.19-35; Yitzchak Kerem, An Outline of the History
    of Jews of Selonica (in Hebrew) (Museum of Kibbutz Lahoma, Getaot, 1985),
    p.21, quoted in Kerem, ibid., p.15.

[21] Kerem, ibid., pp.8-12, 'The Persecution of the Jews', Times (London),
    16 May 1891; A. Ablagon to AIU, 19 October 1898, AIU, Grece VIII.B.34,
    Schaki (Larissa) to AIU, 23 August/4 September 1893, BAIU, Grece,
    Deuxieme Serie, no.18, 1er et 2e Semestre, 1893; Elia Fraggi (Larissa)
    to AIU, 5 June 1874, AIU Grece, I.C.22; Larissa AIU represantatives
    to AIU, 23 June/5 July 1897, AIU, Grece II.B.16; Jewish Community of
    Canea leaders in Samos to AIU, 3 March, 1897, AIU, Grece VIII.B.35.

[26] Pearl L. Preschel, The Jews of Corfu (Greece), Unpublished Ph.D.
    dissertation, New York University, 1984.

[27] Leon Sciaky, Farewell to Salonica: Portrait of an Era (New York, 1946);
    Edgar Morin, Vidal et les Siens (Paris, Seuil, 1989), 55-67; Paul Dumont,
    'The Social Structure of the Jewish Community of Salonica at the end of
    the nineteenth century', Southeastern Europe V (1979), 33-72; Galante,
    Turcs VIII, 18-21; Rodrigue, pp.178-80.

[28] A. Cohen, Ecole Secondaire Moise Allatini, Salonica, to AIU, Paris,
   no.7745/7, 4 December 1912, in AIU Archives I C 49.

[29] Mizrahi, President of AIU at Salonica, to AIU (Paris), no.2704/3,
   25 July 1913. In AIU Archives (Paris) I C 51.

( AIU = Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris. )

Need I go on?

Serdar Argic


FURY OF MOTHER NATURE

Man's contribution to environmental "pollution" are paltry compared to those
of nature. In her exceptional book TRASHING THE PLANET, former Atomic Energy
Commision Chairman Dr. Dixie Lee Ray notes based on the available data, "all
of the air polluting materials produced by man since the beginning of the
industrial revolution do not begin to equal  the quantities of toxic
materials, aerosols, and particulates spewed into the air from just three
volcanoes: Krakatoa in Indonesia in 1883, Mount Katmai in Alaska in 1912, and
Hekla in Iceland in 1947." To which could be added Mount St. Helens in
Washington State in 1980 (which pumped out 910,000 metric tons of carbon
dioxide alone). El Chicon in Mexico in 1982 (which sent more than 100 million
tons of sulfur gases into the stratosphere), and Mount Pinatubo in the
Philippines (which in 1991 hurled upwards of 30 million tons of material into
the stratosphere).
LOS NINOS
Many environmentalists attributed the 1988 drought in the U.S. to global
warming, but researchers with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in
Boulder Colorado reported that the freakish weather was actually due to a
natural phenomenon, the interaction of El Nino and El Nina, two massive
currents in the tropical Pacific. El Nino is a huge strip of warm water that
periodically appears off the coast of South America and disrupts the world's
weather patterns. Now and then, it alternates with El Nina, a mass of cold
water that comes from the ocean depths along the equator and drifts for
thousands of miles.
CHICAGO TRIBUNE'S  Peter Gorner summarized the phenomenon: "Cold water along
the equator clashed with warmer than normal water southeast of Hawaii. The
result was both the U.S. drought and the devastating floods that swamped
Bangladesh...... Nina's cooler water disrupted tropical weather patterns and
distorted the path of the Jet Stream across North America. Then the Jet
Stream shoved rain-producing weather systems away from the interior of the
U.S. resulting in drought."
TERMITE TERROR

Sundry animals and insects also contribute their share to environmental
"degradation. TIME for April 20,1992 noted that in "the Netherlands... manure
from pigs poses a major ecological threat, defiling water supplies with
excessive nitrites and acidifying local soils. Sheep have permanently scarred
the landscape in Spain and Portugal, while in India ... bovines [cows] are
ravenous wraiths whose constant quest  for food drives them to ravage
standing forrests."
The February 1983 issue  of SCIENCE DIGEST reported that "an international
team of researchers has discovered that termites generate more than twice the
Carbon Dioxide  that fuel burning does." According to a study reported in
SCIENCE for November 5, 1982, the "estimated gross amount of Carbon Dioxide
produced [by termites] was more than twice the net global input from fossil
fuel combustion." In addition, "Termites are a potentially important source
of atmospheric methane: they could account for a large fraction of global
emmisions." The wood-eating pests have a bacteria that enables them too
digest carbon so efficiently that some 90 pe is converted too Carbon Dioxide,
methane, and other gases they belch into the atmosphere.
Ants are another natural source of "pollution." In 1987, an atmospheric
chemist with Bell Laboratories, and zoologists from Cornell University,
reported that ants of the subfamily FORMICINAE make and store huge quantities
of the formic acid that contributes most of the acidity of rain that falls in
remote areas and is found in atmosphere gas and precepitation around the
globe. It is abundant, for instance, in the fog and mists that hang over the
rain forests of Central Africa. According to the July 6, 1987 INSIGHT
magazine, the "ants release the acid when defending themselves and
communicating with each other and upon dying. Since  30 percent of the world
ant population belongs to this subfamily, there is significant concern about
the acid the ants release," an amount estimated at "600,000 metric tons
annually." which is equal to the combined formic acid contributions of
automobiles, refuse combustion and vegetation."
Clearly, man has a long way to go to match nature as a "despoiler" of the
environment.
By Robert W. Lee.


#
#
# ># So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism?
#
# >  Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just
# >  told you, "Zionism is Racism."  This is a tautological statement.
#
# I think you are confusing "tautological" with "false and misleading."

  No, but you're right that I didn't express myself well.

  The dialog went:

   A: "Zionism is racism."
   B: "What IS zionism?"
  DC: "You weren't listening, were you?"

  In other words, the first statement *defined* a Zionism of discourse.
  Everything else was redundant.


NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 23 APRIL 1993:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                  CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS        BEST OF SEVEN
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE

 NJ                  BUF   (leads 3-0)   STL   (leads 3-0)   WIN
 PIT   (leads 3-0)   BOS                 CHI                 VAN   (leads 2-1)

 NYI   (leads 2-1)   MON                 TOR                 LA
 WAS                 QUE   (leads 2-1)   DET   (leads 2-1)   CAL   (tied  2-1)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Detroit Red Wings (lead series 2-1)    0   1   1   -   2
Toronto Maple Leafs                    2   0   2   -   4

Dave Andreychuk scored his first two playoff goals for Toronto and Felix
Potvin stopped 34 of 36 Red Wing shots as the Maple Leafs won their first
win in the series.

First period-- 1, Toronto, Andreychuk 1 (Foligno,Gilmour), 4:21.  2, Toronto,
  Andreychuk 2 (Gilmour), 7:37.

Second period-- 3, Detroit, Fedorov 2 (Coffey,Sheppard), 1:20 (pp).

Third period-- 4, Toronto, Clark 1 (Gilmour,Mironov), 4:44 (pp).  5, Toronto,
  Pearson 1 (Clark,Cullen), 9:32.  6, Detroit, Chiasson 2 (Konstantinov,
  Fedorov), 14:14.

Shots on goal-- Detroit 9-19-8--36.  Toronto  13-8-12--33.  Power-play
  opportunities-- Detroit 1 of 5; Toronto 1 of 8.  Goalies-- Detroit,
  Cheveldae, 2-1 (33 shots-29 saves).  Toronto, Potvin, 1-2 (36-34).
  A--15,720.

Referee-- Mark Faucette.  Linesmen-- Kevin Collins, Brian Murphy.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chicago Blackhawks                   0   0   0   -   0
St. Louis Blues (lead series 3-0)    1   1   1   -   3

Curtis Joseph blanked the Blackhawks for the second straight game and Brett
Hull scored a goal and added an assist to lead the Blues to a 3-0 series lead.
Chicago hasn't scored in 131:09 of play since Brian Noonan's hat-trick goal in
game 1.

First period-- 1, St. Louis, Janney 1 (Hull,Brown), 16:53 (pp).

Second period-- 2, St. Louis, Hull 3 (Miller), 12:31.

Third period-- 3, St. Louis, Emerson 1 (Felsner,Shanahan), 16:44.

Shots on goal-- Chicago 9-12-13--34.  St. Louis 7-13-4--24.  Power-play
  opportunities-- Chicago 0 of 4; St. Louis 1 of 7.  Goalies-- Chicago,
  Belfour, 0-3 (24 shots-21 saves).  St. Louis, Joseph, 3-0 (34-34).
  A--17,985.

Referee-- Dan Marouelli.  Linesmen-- Randy Mitton, Shane Heyer.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Vancouver Canucks (lead series 2-1)    1   2   1   -   4
Winnipeg Jets                          3   0   2   -   5

Teemu Selanne broke out of his mini-slump with a hat trick, including the
game-winner, to lead the Jets to a 5-4 victory.  Trevor Linden and Pavel Bure
each scored twice for the losing Canucks.

First period-- 1, Winnipeg, Tkachuk 1 (Housley), 3:52.  2, Winnipeg, Selanne 1
  (Housley,Shannon), 7:01 (pp).  3, Vancouver, Bure 2, 18:29.  4, Winnipeg,
  Selanne 2 (Shannon,Housley), 19:57 (pp).

Second period-- 5, Vancouver, Linden 2 (Ronning,Lumme), :14.  6, Vancouver,
  Linden 3 (Adams,Slegr), :59 (pp).

Third period-- 7, Winnipeg, Borsato 1 (Steen), 2:53 (sh).  8, Winnipeg,
  Selanne 3 (Shannon), 9:35.  9, Vancouver, Bure 3 (Babych,Lidster), 15:52.

Shots on goal-- Vancouver 18-9-10--37.  Winnipeg 13-8-8--29.  Power-play
  opportunities-- Vancouver 1 of 8; Winnipeg 2 of 6.  Goalies-- Vancouver,
  McLean, 2-1 (29 shots-24 saves).  Winnipeg, Essensa, 1-2 (37-33).
  A--15,569.

Referee-- Kerry Fraser.  Linesmen-- Gord Broseker, Dan Schachte.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Calgary Flames (lead series 2-1)    2   1   2   -   5
Los Angeles Kings                   0   1   1   -   2

(Boxscore tomorrow)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Saturday, 24 April 1993:

     Washington at NY Islanders (NY Islanders lead series 2-1), 7:40pm EST
     Boston at Buffalo (Buffalo leads series 3-0), 7:40pm EST
     Quebec at Montreal (Quebec leads series 2-1), 8:10pm EST

Sunday, 25 April 1993:

     Pittsburgh at New Jersey (Pittsburgh leads series 3-0), 1:10pm EST
     Chicago at St. Louis (St. Louis leads series 3-0), 1:10pm EST
     Calgary at Los Angeles (Calgary leads series 2-1), 3:10pm EST
     Detroit at Toronto (Detroit leads series 2-1), 7:10pm EST
     Vancouver at Winnipeg (Vancouver leads series 2-1), 9:10pm EST

-JPC

--


I just joined this group recently and really do not know much about
cryptography, but a couple things came to mind while reading through
the posts.

1.  Is the Clipper chip going to be exported?  If not, how will
people communicate with other countries?  Will they have to do
that in un-crypt-mode.  Will other encryption techniques be
legal (assuming the government cracks down on using others) when
going overseas, but not within the states?

2.  I've read about authentication systems that use an electronic
security card that looks like a calculator to create an encrypted
PIN based on the time/date.  The host system has the algorithm
built into it as well so that it can authenticate a user.
Is there some form of encryption technology that would create
keys that are only valid at a certain instant in time?  The
systems would then allow a "window" of time around this instant
where the key would work.
I realize that this technique would increase the amount of information
needing to be stored because you would need entire algorithms rather
than just keys.  But for smaller scale things it might work.
Could some similar method be used to make the two 80-bit keys that
are issued to police/FBI/etc to tap a phone only usable for one-week
(for instance).  If further surveilance was needed, they would have
to go back to the escrow service to get another key.  This would
make it useless for local police to database keys they have used.

I assume this is not possible because the receiving phone would need
to be able to decypher the message.  But any thoughts on the subject?

Thanks,
Tauren Mills


Has anyone observed this?  If I copy a large, say 800K+ file (a large PKZIP
file for instance) to my floppy drive (3.5") under MS Windows 3.1 via either
Program Manager or a DOS Shell, the file copied under the DOS shell
has errors whereas the file copied from within Program Manager does not.

The corruption is detected by executing "pkunzip -t b:\file.zip" after
both copies.  The file copied via the DOS shell always shows corruption.

Now here's the kicker:

I have many windows open while doing this; both DOS and WINDOWs apps.
Supposedly all WINDOWs' apps share the same time slice, whereas the
DOS apps get their own equal time slice (unless overriden).

So, as an example, I have 5 WINDOWs' apps open, 2 multitasking DOS sessions running,
and one execution-execlusive DOS shell iconized (inactive).  Under this
scenario, CPU time is divided into two major slices:  one for all the Windows
apps and one slice for the running DOS app.

When copying under Windows PGM MGR, I'll assume the other Windows and DOS tasks
are essentially inactive.  Thus PGM MGR gets, say, 80% of the Windows slice and
95% of the execution-background DOS shell's slices.  Thus it gets (.8)(.95)^2 =
.72 or 72% of the total available CPU time.

When copying in a DOS shell, I activate the execute-exclusive mode DOS shell
(no other DOS background tasks allowed), full screen, under the Windows task
manager.  The CPU time available to this shell would be 80% of the Windows slice
(assumming inactive Windows applications) and 100% of the DOS slice:
(1.0)(.8) = .8 or 80% of the total available CPU time.

So why do I get copy errors under DOS if it has the greater amount of CPU
time?  Is program manager working in a pre-emptive mode during the floppy
copy?  It must be!

Miscellaneous data:  Running Windows on top of DOS 5.0, qemm 5.x, rapidbios.sys,
                     2.0 mbyte smartdrive (no delayed writes), two ramdrives,
                     logitech mouse driver 6.2, full 16mbytes motherboard RAM,
                     64Kbyte motherboard cache, 386 DX 33 Mhz.

                     Running dos-edit.com TSR in the DOS shell.

--


Great SLR camera (Ricoh) for sale. Has all the Nikon FE features, and also
shutter speeds form 16 seconds and down. Excellent condition. With accessories
such as a zoom lens. Very reasonable price.


This is an outrage!  I don't even own a dog.


wanted: apple adb mouse and keyboard
contact Paul Gribble at above email address asap. Paul G.


Does anyone know if the source is available to create FLI
or FLC animations? I would ideally like DLL's for Windows
but would settle for C source.  I've heard they might be
available on Amiga forums somewhere.  The libraries
currently distributed by Autodesk, AAWIN, AAPLAY, do NOT
have FLI creation capability, only playback.

Any pointers would be appreciated, thanks!


N(P>Just got a 66MHz 486DX2 system, and am considering getting a fan for the
N(P>CPU. The processor when running is too hot to touch so I think this is a
N(P>fairly good idea. (long ago when I did some electronics training I read
N(P>somewhere that the regions within a chip that define junctions/gates etc
N(P>slowly diffuse over time and this increases with temperature, hence a hot
N(P>chip goes off-spec sooner)

N(P>Has anyone out there got a CPU fan??

I work for a small PC OEM. We offer both a personal and professional
system line. Our 486 pro machines always have a CPU cooling fan on DX2
and DX-50 units.

N(P>Is there more than 1 type?

There are several manufacturers.

N(P>Do you have to remove the CPU from its scoket to install the fan?

Sometimes - depends on the specific fan model.

N(P>Do all CPU fans derive their power from spare drive power lines?

All the ones I've seen do; many come with a 'Y' connector, so you don't
have to have a "spare" connector.

N(P>Anyone had any trouble with CPU fans?

None.

N(P>Does anyone have any evidence that CPU fans are a complete waste of
money?

Touch a 486DX-50 chip after its been running a few minutes - you won't
feel the fan is a waste!

N(P>How are these fans attached? (glue? clips? melted cheese?)

Depends on the model. Many use clips - make sure you use heat sink
grease, or heat transfering tape, or you will have wasted your money.

N(P>Roughly how much cooler will the CPU be with a fan as opposed to
without? (an advert I've read claims 85F vs 185F)

Tough to tell - I do know the chip sheds a lot of heat.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Murphy was an optimist - Is your data backed up?


Take a look at the standings. It's REAL easy to get so focussed on
minutinae and forget that the Giants happen to be in first place. If it's
working, you don't SCREW IT UP by changing things, just because you think it
ought to be different.

Some folks like to argue about theoretical details. I prefer to watch teams
win. When the Giants slip to third, then we can talk about how to re-arrange
the batting order. Until then, I think it's stupid to focus on what's wrong,
for the simple fact that IT'S WORKING AS IT IS.

In the majors? I don't follow AL, so I won't comment on "Majors". In the NL,
if I had my choice of any 1B in the league for my team, it'd be Clark, and
I'd hit him third. (My fantasy team has both Grace and Murray on it, because
I've never been able to GET Clark. I'd take any of the three without
hesitation in real life, but I think Clark is it).

Williams: Not even close. I much prefer his defense, but when he isn't
headcasing it, Matt has a good, solid swing and some real punch. If he drops
to .230, then he wanders out of cleanup, but according to the latest
Baseball Weekly, he's hitting .275, and in the last week, hitting .296.
That's not exactly chopped liver.

Mostly, though, the Giants are winning, and frankly, as long as that
continues, it's rather silly to second-guess their strategy. But evidently,
some folks would rather be right than be first.


than

First of all, I wouldn't advise wasting your time with Apple.  They'll
treat you like an idiot and you won't get any answers (a personal
opinion).

The safest thing to do is match the SVGA monitor's scanning rates with
Apple's rates.  I don't know Apple's video scanning rates, but I use the
Micron Xceed 30's rates, as they're a good approximation.

About cables: you just have to go out to someplace like Fry's and get a
few Mac-VGA cables and try them out.  I have a ViewSonic 5E (14") and I
use an NEC adaptor.  Other monitors may use other adaptors.  I also have
a Mac->832x624 adaptor that tricks System into thinking the monitor is an
Apple 16".  I need to readjust the vertical and horizontal sizes but it
works fairly well.

	"Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."


We are making a transition from NextStep to X-windows. I am trying to find the best GUI tool for our needs.  I have looked at several tools but they all seem basically the same (each salesman will beg to differ). I realize that there are differences but I don't have an infinate amount of time to discover what they are. The tools I have looked at so far are UIM/X, X-designer, Tele-Use, tcl/tk,Interviews, and SUIT.
So far I've drawn the following conclusions:

1) The builder for Interviews is not very mature, bad docs
2) Tele-Use is very expensive and uses a proprietary toolkit
3) UIM/X & X-designer seem about the same, even though X-designer does not have a interpreter (I'll by Centerline if I need one)
4) tcl/tk is a little buggy
5) I know very little about the ICS Builder (just have the sales info)
6) Due to a corporate agreement X-designer is much cheeper than any other comercial product.
7) For the time I'm spending I could have bought all of them (well different money)
8) We will have to live with any shortcomings and make it work
9) this type of tool seems great, but noone seems to talk about them on the net. Is there another news group for this ?
10) SUIT cost too much for comercial development.

I'm hoping someone out there has a strong opinion on at least one of these products.

thanks


Here is a list I get when I was combing through some microfilm one
day here at Drexel while completely board.  Most of these circuits are
pretty easy to constuct and can be done by a novice.
	This is basically some stuff that could prove useful to you without
having to sit down and either design or buy the stuff (not a good word, but I'm
tired right now).
	Hope you enjoy!

	If you have any additions send them to me and I'll add them to the list
.  They don't have to be from this particular magazine, they just have to be
interesting!

	RADIO ELECTRONICS

Year	Month	Page	Article Name and/or discription
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
92	April	31	Car Audio Amplifier (270 Watts)
	May	41	Midi Light Controller (Light control from music input)
		47	Solid State Relay
		50	Digital Altimeter
	June	53	Electronic Thermostat
91	February43	Audio Sweep/Marker Generator (frequency response)
	April	43	Line Power from 12 volts (12 VDC -> 110 VAC) (40 Watts)
	June 	39	Electronic Compass
	August	55	Speaker Protector
	Sept.	33	Solid State Tesla Coil
	Oct.	39	Vocal Effects/Mixer
	Nov.	58	Music on Hold (Play music for someone who is on hold on
				the phone)
	Dec.	47	THD Analizer
		53	Battery Tool
		63	Electronic Fuse
90	Jan.	35	Acoustic field Generator
		45	Phone activated Audio Muting circuit
	Feb.	31	Frequency Probe
		37	Radar Detector Tester
	March	31	Universal Laboratory Power Supply
	April 	33	Morse/RTTY Detector
		43 	Capacitance Adaptor (Capacitance add on for a DMM)
		46	Solid State Wiper control
	May	37 	Universal Descrambler (for a TV)
	July	31 	Digital Dashboard (for a car)
	August	41	Digital Pressure gauge
	Sept.	33	Vocal Stripper (take the vocals away from music)
	Oct.	37	Rocket Altimeter (model rockets)
	Dec.	33	Benchtop Frequency counter
89	Jan	55	Carrier-Current Audio transmitter (audio through your
				house's wiring)
		62 	Plasma display globe
		70 	Advanced Control System
	Feb.	55	Carrier-Current Receiver
	March	51	Hi-Fi Audio Amp for House or Car (High Power)
	May	41	I-R Extender (extender for Infra-Red remotes)
	July	31 	Light beam communication
		38	Digital Capacitance meter
	Nov	39 	R-C Decade Box
		43	Digital Compass
	Dec	37	Programmable Phasor Property Guard
88	July	41 	L-C Meter Part 1
	August 50	L-C Meter Part 2
87	Nov.	107	Electronic Combonation Lock
86	Sept	41	Stun Gun
	June	55	Click and Pop filter for your stereo (removes clicks and
				pops when you play old LPs)

-- From what I could see, you can order the circuit kits, finished or unfinished
	or you can order the parts that you can't get through a normal store


That doesn't answer my question:  Can you give a proof that it is an official
policy of any Israeli government to kill "neutral observers" or UN personel
or others like them?

I wasn't sure that your original statement was wrong and was prepared to
recieve proofs that you are right  (since I don't follow the events closely).
Your last response made me pretty damn sure that at least YOU can't give such
a proof,  and you made your original statement without much ground to put it
on.

Even if it's true (and in this case I'd take it without asking you to prove it)
it is still far from killing reporters.  Also whenever that happened I'll bet
it happened as individual actions by certain soldiers and not as a policy of
the government  (e.g. see the Hawara case where a colonel was sentenced for
giving orders to kick Arabs,  as far as I remember).

Bye,


From article <1993Apr22.165659.8890@desire.wright.edu>, by demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer):

Hmmm... that's not quite right.  The Performa 600 is Real Darn Close
to the IIvx (but a better buy IMO).  I also don't think they are so
much a 'low-cost business solution', but a low-cost _home_ solution.
Why else bundle at ease (among other things)?  Hardly a business
application.

What do you mean by 'no "retail price"'.  Quite the contrary, I think.
The price is darn near the same all across the country.  That (again,
IMO) was one of the selling points of the performas -- ie: no haggling
required.  Kinda like the Saturn (car) of the computer set.  One
price, medium performance, ready to go.

When I shopped for my Performa (600CD), the difference between Sears
(*sigh), Montgomery Wards, Silo (*sigh), Circuit City (*sigh*) and
Bizmart (*sigh*) couldn't have been $100.00.  Why I chose one over the
other was based solely on availability and a friendly salesman who
went the extra mile (when did you last hear that about someone who
sells Apples?).  Admittedly, except for Montgomery Wards (and I
suspect I was just lucky) all of the salesfolk I spoke to didn't know
didly about the computers, peecee or mac.  But then, neither did any
of the  Apple dealers I spoke with...

If you would've told me a year ago that I would buy a Macintosh from
Montgomery Wards I woulda laughed for a long, long time.  Go figure.
I'm *real* happy with my Performa.  Oh, and I bought the Apple
Performa Plus monitor (vs. buying 3rd party).  Happy with that
decision as well.  I walked in, plopped down some cash, and walked out
with a spankin' new computer the day before Christmas.
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Extract from the color README file for Anthony's Icon Library.
For Network discussion...

Color Coordination...

    I tried to start a discussion in `comp.windows.x' at the start of the
  year about some sort of `standard color table' that icons should follow
  (say 16 to 32 colors including 5 colors for a small grey scale). but no
  one responded at all.

    The problem is that if the colors for icons are just used willy-nilly
  you will soon find that the workstations color table, devotes itself
  solely the window manager, icons and other `adminstrative tasks' instead
  of applications that actually require the colors for proper working.
  ``Color needful applications'' such as :  Picture and graphic displayers,
  Animation, Real Time video, Raytracers, etc... .

    The following is a suggested color table for icons, and general use.
  Icons, Window Managers, and general applications, should follow this
  table or something like it, UNLESS the application is ``color needful''.

     * for each primary color (red,green,blue) three colors
             EG: values   0, 128 and 255.
       This results in  3 ^ 3  colors (27) representing most of the
       standard colors for use in icons.

     * two extra shades of grey
             EG: vales    (black) 0, 64, 128, 196 and 255 (white,red,...)

     * 3 other colors -- probably of some primary color to provide shading
       a and 3-D look to buttons and titlebars in the window manager.

    This table represents 32 colors and represents a large range of
  posibilities for the above ``administrative services'' of the
  workstation.

  Anthony Thyssen - (SysProg @ Griffith University)     anthony@cit.gu.edu.au
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  A Gods idea of amusement is a Snakes & Ladders game, with greased rungs.
                                           - Terry Pratchett   "Wyrd Sisters"


who cares about typos of these meaningless, synthetic names?  if the
cars were named after a person, e.g. honda, i'd be more respectful.

wrong!  the GS300 and SC300 use straight sixes, while the ES300 uses a
V6.  only a giant like toyota can afford to have both a V6 and inline
6 in its lineup, but that won't last for long.


David Hammerslag asked:

	How do you (Mormons) reconcile the idea of eternal marriage
	with Christ's statement that in the resurrection people will
	neither marry nor be given in marriage (Luke, chapt. 20)?

Several explanations for this seeming contradiction have been proposed,
but most LDS scholars whose opinions I have studied take more or less
one of the following three positions:

(1) Jesus was talking to a group of people (Sadducees) who were trying
    to trip Him up with what they felt was a silly hypothetical situa-
    tion that ridiculed the concept of a resurrection (something they
    didn't believe in).  These people -- and those associated with them
    ("Now there were with us seven brethren", Matt. 22:25) -- would not
    be receptive to such higher blessings as eternal marriage.  Hence,
    the people in the story would likely not be married in the eterni-
    ties; but that doesn't mean other, more faithful people could not
    have this blessing.

(2) Jesus was making a distinction between the state or condition of
    =being= married, and the process of =becoming= married.  The latter
    activity (marrying and giving in marriage) will not take place in
    the eternities, because all eternal marriages will be taken care of
    before then.

(3) The account as we have it (in all three of the synoptic Gospels) is
    missing something that would make its real meaning clearer.  Note
    that we (LDS) do not believe in Biblical inerrancy, so we do not in
    general feel obliged to reconcile each and every Bible text with
    modern revelation through Joseph Smith and other latter-day proph-
    ets.  Nor are we particularly upset that the account in question
    was not significantly revised in the "Joseph Smith Translation" or
    "Inspired Version" of the Bible, since we do not believe this work
    was completed or that failure to revise a passage in the JST con-
    stitutes divine approval of that passage as it stands in the KJV.


W -->
W --> SEE! The Providence Bruins lost the first two games at home and came back to
W -->      tie the series on the road, there may be hope for the Bruins yet!

Toast. They're toast. (And I know how much you want me to eat these
words, but it ain't gonna happen.) Are the golf courses in the Boston
area in playable condition yet?

- Jack

 * Acid consumes 47 times its weight in life!


My respect for the power of the hockey gods is preventing me from
commenting on the above, and for commenting on whether the guy
Damphousse was traded for is on vacation or not. Perhaps Roger
(demonstrably in contempt of the hockey gods and paying for it) dares a
comment or two?


More people have been asking for information on the Kubota graphics
workstations, so here is some more info on the Kenai/Denali vs. the
E&S Freedom.

Here is the text of a Denali vs. E&S Freedom done by D.H. Brown Associates.

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Denali bears a strong resemblance to Evans and Sutherlands Freedom graphics
subsystem in several aspects of its high-level design.  Both products use
a parallel array of 29050 processors for geometric computations.  Both
have a pixel router to connect this front end to a second array of
pixel processors.  As a result, Denali and Freedome overlap significantly
in performance and functionality.  Both design teams also appear to have
similar philosophies with respect to modularity, scalability, and market
penetration.

There remain, however, several important differences between the KPC and
E&S products.  Evans and Sutherland designed Freedom as a high-end
developer's dream system with plenty of performance potential and
flexibility.  In its favor, Freedom has configurations from two to
sixteen floating point units, a border range that starts and ends at
a higher price and performance levels than Denali.  All Freedom
systems include a large, fixed number of pixel processors that
support a broader variety of color blending functions.  The Freedom
design treats its entire image memory as general-purpose memory, allowing
developers to allocate it on a flexible basis to a number of special-purpose
applications.  Finally, E&S provided Freedom with very flexible otput and
video integration features for multimedia and simulation applications.  Note
that KPC is working an auxiliary board for NTSC and PAL output that will not
require an external video encoder.  E&S programmable output features,
however, will remain much more flexible.

The KPC design team, in contrast, made Denali more of an end-user's system.
Entry version have better performance range and flexibility than low-end
Freedom configurations, and come in at more realistic mainstream price
points.  Denali does not need as many 29050 modules as Freedome because
it uses a deeper scan-conversion pipeline to support each one, resulting
in better cost/performance characteristics.  Although both products provide
strong support for 3D, imaging, and volume rendering, KPC recognized that
not all users will want an even mix of these capabilities.  Denali's
configuration flexibility allows customers in effect to purchase
geometric and pixel processing capabilities separately, and to upgrade
them separately as needed.

Both companies have implemented hardware texture mapping at
workstation price levels as a way to attack SGI's more expensive
VGXT and RealityEngine systems -- the only other products to provide
this capability.  KPC supports point sampling and bilinear interpolation
of textures in hardware, but provides only software support for the higher
qualtiy tri-linear interpolated mipmapping method.  On balance, however, Denali
provideds bettern overall texturing capabilities than E&S for most applications.
Aside from being much more affordable, KPC solutions deliver more parallelism
for texture processing and more off-screen memory for general graphics
data storage.  By implementing texture mapping on its transformation
modules, E&S foces customers to move very quickly to higher price levels
to obtain better texturing performance.  Kubota avoids this problem by linking
texturing to its Frame Buffer Modules, providing a lower-cost, more scalable
solution.

Hope this helps,

Brian


Probably the most famous V16 is the one Cadillac made from about 1925
to 1935.  They had to scale down then because the Great Depression really put
the crimp on luxury cars.  It had 452 cubic inches with over two hundred horse
power.  "They don't make them like they used to."
	There were others though.  Packard had one until about 1930 whe it down
sized to their legendary Twin-Six, their mainstay for the next twenty years.
Lincoln and Pierce Arrow might have also had one but I am not two sure.
	Most luxury and semi-luxury cars of this era at least experimented with
V16 if they did not actually produce them.  There was actually a "cylinder war"
among the Big Three to see who could produce the biggest engine.

Big M