Ron> Viper also sells some fancy field disturbance sensor that
Ron> supposedly detects people approcahing the car....

Ron

If your Viper system were tuned like a neighbor's is you wouldn't get
any sleep because of the damn thing waking every one in the neighborhood
up.

We all used to try to ignore the alarm, but have now made a pact to
bombard the house with night-time visits and phone calls when ever we
are awakened because some thunder storm passed over the next county
or a stray dog looked at the car.

Car alarms are a serious pain-in-the-ass!

						-ks

p.s. Real men don't have car radios since the exhaust is too loud to
     hear it anyway <GRIN>!
--


Does Autodesk has a BBS ?


I still think a major point is being missed... If you are worried about
software pirates, NOTHING will stop them. These are people who crack
software (mostly games, but so what) daily for fun. They can usually find
a crack around anything, especially if the manufacturer leaves a hole for such a thing.


I commend everybody to look at the FTP site 'ftp.cicb.fr'
-> Ethernet address 129.20.128.2 <-
in the directory /pub/Images/ASTRO:
there are lots of images (all of kinds in astronomy subject)
especially in GIF format and a NEW ! directory of some JPL animations

For your comfort, README files in all subdirectories give size and
description of each image, and a 7 days' newer images' list is in READMENEW

Note: you can connect it as 'anonymous' or 'ftp' user, then the quota
      for each is 8 users connected in the same time.
      So, if the server responds you "connection refused", be patient !

2nd note: this site is reachable by Gopher at 'roland.cicb.fr'
          -> Ethernet address 129.20.128.27 <-
          in 'Divers serveurs Ftp/Le serveur ftp du CRI-CICB/Images/ASTRO'

If you have any comments, suggestions, problems,
then you can contact me at E-mail 'rousself@univ-rennes1.fr'


Ezek 22:26 God seems to be upset with the priests who have made no
difference between the holy and the profane.  This brought to my mind a
sermon I heard recently in which the speaker said "God's second name does
not begin with a D" referring, I believe, to use of God's holy name and
titles as swear words.  I was also reminded of the experience of Moses at
the burning bush when God told him "Take off your sandals, for the place
where you are standing is holy ground."

These and other texts seem to imply that God's people must treat holy
things differently from other "common" things, or "make a difference"
between holy and common things.

The obvious questions are

What makes something holy? and How are Christians (primarily) supposed to
make this difference between holy and common things?  (e.g. God's name,
the Holy Spirit, the Holy Bible, etc.)


I have been struck down this past week by a stomach bug and fever
which went away quickly when treated with an antibiotic. The
pharmacist told me the antibiotic is effective against a wide
variety of "gram-negative bacteria." I was wondering where I
might have acquired such a bacteria. Could they hang out in swimming-
pool water, or would the chlorine kill them?

Feeling better, I am


     I believe that the large number of digits on his paycheck (and
it would not be binary) would help Don to be a fan of Ulf!, Jaro, and
Mario.


Lets not forget


Iridology is descendant from a 19th-century theory which mapped certain
diseases to sectors of the iris of the eye.  There's enough natural
variation in color that a skilled examiner can find indicators of
virtually any disease.


From article <1993Apr23.153005.8237@starbase.trincoll.edu>, by  ():

So out of the numerous baptists that you hang around with you haven't
seen any of the above behavior? Which trait (stocking food for more
than a week, or owning a firearm) is the definition of a cult? What
proof ( aside from David's aquittal ) leads you to believe that any
"banging/marrying" of thirteen year olds was going on? Does your
wife know that you equate 'marriage' with 'banging'?

Since this guy doesn't like the concept of freedom of religion, he's
going to insult you AND your mom!

Sociopath - person with asocial or antisocial beahavior.
Sociopaths - 200 persons, all who can't stand other people, sharing
             the same ranch-house.

                                ^^^---It all suddenly becomes clear.

Why does everyone discover the Net in the spring?


The LAW of RETRIBUTION

               Violent crime, racism, bigotry, domestic abuse, rape,
          police brutality and oppression, human rights violations,
          etc., ETC., continue to get worse and worse in spite of more
          and more man-made laws on all levels from local ordinances to
          international law.

               The man-made laws are NOT working.

               "WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE!"
          Perpetrators remain IGNORANT of The LAW--a universal, cosmic,
          and Spiritual Law--The "LAW of RETRIBUTION" or "KARMA":

               "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
          man soweth, that shall he also reap."  Galatians 6:7, KJV.

               "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity;
          he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
          Here is the patience and faith of the saints."  Revelation
          13:10, KJV.

               "What goes around comes around."

               This LAW of the Universe is just as real as the physical
          law that for every action there is an equal and opposite
          REaction.

               It is the ENFORCEMENT, the TEETH, behind The "GOLDEN
          RULE": "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

               ALL perpetrators in the present will become VICTIMS in
          the future, most likely in a FUTURE INCARNATION.  Most
          victims in the present were PERPETRATORS in the past, usually
          during a PREVIOUS LIFE.

               What is needed is a MASSIVE WORLDWIDE PROGRAM of
          EDUCATION to teach ALL present and potential perpetrators, in
          a convincing manner (with sufficient supporting evidence),
          that what they do to others WILL BE DONE TO THEM, in this
          life or the next.

               Anyone who doubts the FACT of REINCARNATION, and the
          related "LAW of Retribution", should read books such as "HERE
          AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery, which describes several
          kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation, including
          HYPNOTIC REGRESSION to past lives [about 50% accurate; the
          subconscious mind can sometimes make things up, especially
          with a bad hypnotist], SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by
          young children, some of whom can identify their most recent
          previous relatives, homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL
          of past life experiences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off
          land while traveling there for the first time on vacation),
          the psychic readings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN
          SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including
          Matthew 17:11-13 (John the Baptist was the REINCARNATION of
          Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How can a person POSSIBLY sin before
          he is born, unless he LIVED BEFORE?!).

               Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc.,
          typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES.  For example,
          a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually
          results from having DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE.
          And sometimes a person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to
          another person being met for the first time in their PRESENT
          life, because of a bad encounter with him during a PREVIOUS
          INCARNATION.

               People would behave much better toward each other if
          they knew that their actions in the present will SURELY be
          reaped by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION!

               For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
          please consult my CITED SOURCES (books like "HERE AND
          HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery).

               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


I am using OWL and want to display the output from a stream in a popup
window.  Is there a way to perhaps redirect cout to a window?   Or
alternatively set up a separate stream that supports output and be
able to display the stream output in an TEdit control?

Anyone ever done something like this?
--


Just a couple of days ago, I heard on the radio news that a Neo-Nazi
organization had set up a BBS to keep its members informed.  According
to the radio man, the Nazis were using encryption to reduce their risk
if they were prosecuted.  No, I do not have any more information.

Have fun.


I'm planning on getting a StyleWriter II for my Mac SE (2.5 MB ram, HD, two
800k floppy drives).  Do any of you out there have any recommendations as
to whether running System 6.0.8 is better or worse than switching to 7.1.
I don't do much real work on this machine any more, but would like to keep
it for word processing (Using Word 4 and don't see much advantage to going
to Word 5, since it is slower).

Any help or comments would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


I have already made the clear claim that

Don't mind my saying this but the best example of obfuscation is to
condemn without having even your most basic facts straight. If you
want some examples, go back and look at your previous posts, where
you manage to get your facts wrong about the fatwa and Khomeini's
supposed infallibility.


..

One thing to recall.  Putting a satellite as high as possible is one thing.
Coming back to not only that altitude, but matching the position of it in
its orbit on a subsequent mission is another thing.  Any misalignment of the
plane of the orbit during launch or being ahead or behind the target will
require more fuel to adjust.  This was considered in the original deployment.

I agree though that the demands on the crew and complexity are stupendous.
One has to admire how much they are trying to do.


       The classic comment on new encryption algorithms comes from
Friedman:

	"No new cypher is worth considering unless it comes
	from someone who has already broken a very hard one."

Historically, Friedman has been right.  It's really hard to develop
a good cypher.  IBM's Lucifer, the precursor to DES, turns out to have
been fatally flawed.  Most of the DES-like systems other than DES seem
to be vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis.  The first two tries at
public key encryption (remember knapsack cyphers?) were broken.  Most
if not all of the machine cyphers of the electromechanical era were
broken eventually.  Attempts in the computer era to home-brew encryption
have been disappointing; the classic "A survey of data insecurity packages"
in Cryptologia contains analyses and breaking techniques for a few of the
popular "security packages" of the late 1980s.

        A new, proprietary algorithm?  No way.

        If the US is permitting general export of this thing, it has
to be weak; that's how the current regulations work.  Currently there's
a willingness to allow systems with short keys (32 bits appears to be
no problem; the 56 bits of DES are too many) or weak algorithms
(I think Word Perfect qualifies under that rule) to be exported.
I can't believe these guys shepherded their technique through the
PTO and the State Department's Arms Control Division without finding that out.

					John Nagle


ubject: subscrive

please subscribe me.


fc> Modern,
fc> ground-based, visible light astronomy (what these proposed
fc> orbiting billboards would upset) is already a dying field: The
fc> opacity and distortions caused by the atmosphere itself have
fc> driven most of the field to use radio, far infrared or space-based
fc> telescopes.

 Here's one radio astronomer quite concerned about
 radio-frequency interference from portable telephones, etc.


Can the Sabres win two more games against the Bruins?

I think game three in Buffalo will be the most important of the
series.  If the Sabres lose that game, the party will be over.  It will
be hello next year.

The key for the remaining games in the series will be whether Fuhr can
keep up his brillliant goaltending and if Mogilny can continue skate by
the Bruins.  He has shown demonstrated excellent speed.

Finally, the Sabres appear to have shown up for the post season.


This is to followup my previous reply on this topic, which it has been
pointed out to me might have been dangerously misleading in two spots.

1.  I stated that psychotherapy (meaning talking therapy and so on) was used
    to treat Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, which though sometimes true is
    misleading.  It is not often found effective, particularly by itself.
    Primary treatment today usually consists at least in part of drug
    therapy.  The most current theories of this condition attribute
    it to more to biological causes than psychological, in places where this
    distinction becomes important.

2.  I mentioned that the DSM-IIIR mentions 'impulses' as a possible
	diagnostic marker.  However, this might look like something
	people associate with psychotic conditions, uncontrollable or
	unpredictable behaviors, which is NOT the case with OCD.
	One of the diagnostic criteria of OCD is that the individual
	can and does suppress some of their 'impulses,' although they
	are an unending source of anxiety.
	The obsessive thoughts and ritualistic actions usually associated with
	OCD are most frequently very mundane and predictable, closer to
	a superstitious nature than a dangerous nature for the most part.

	Some references (one non-technical and several technical)
	that someone was kind enough to supply for me
	but was unable to post themself :

	(technical refs) :

	And thanks very much to those who supplied constructive
	criticism to my first post on OCD.  I hope this helps clarify
	the parts that were misleading.

						kind regards,


Is this an arguement against or for?  Or simply a statement of agreeance/
disagreeance.  The fact that there are more homosexuals in prison does not
mean that homosexuals are immoral and more liable to commit crime.  And one
must remember that prison is not necessarily a reflection of the type of
people who are criminals.  What are the statistics for unsolved crime?


...

Yes, that is what it sounds like to me, too. But before I spend
da bucks, I want to make sure I'm right. I do have e-mail from
a (self-confessed :-) Apple-hater listing a few common problems
with the C610, but nothing I can't get fixed under warranty.

So, anybody else? Great or lousy?


Wrong, it has a 6507.

It had one custome chip (not an ASIC in the sense that word is now understood):
the TIA (sometimes known as the 6526, although most other manufacturers list
that as the CIA complex interface adapter.)  TIA stands for Television
Interface Adapter, and it handles sound, paddles and the minimal video hardware
the 2600 possessed.

There was also a standard 6532 RAM, I/O, Timer (RIOT), plus a voltage
regulator and (if memory serves) a 555 timer.  That's all.

Not according to the servicing documentation I have here.  The 2600 did not
change intenally very much at all.

ROMS were mapped into the upper 4K of the 6507's address space.  2K and 4K
games were fine, but later 8K and 16K games needed bank switching.  Atari
(and others) made much of these "huge" cartridges.

Wrong, it had 128 bytes of RAM from the RIOT.  This was multiply mapped into
both page 0 (pseudo-registers) and page 1 (stack), and also throughout the
bottom 4K of memory.  TIA registers also sat in this address space.

As 128 bytes of RAM was somewhat limiting, some later cartridges also carried
RAM themselves, which was interesting as Atari had provided no write line
to the cart.  This was managed by mapping the reads from RAM into one address
the *very* scarce ROM address space.


Well, it's not that simple -- you're in Earth's magnetic field, and you
don't generate electricity -- but it can be done.

The way you power things is with electricity, so the answer to the first
question is definitely yes.  (If you meant to say "propel" rather than
"power", the answer is "sort of".)  Yes, you can use interaction with the
Earth's magnetic field to get electrical power, and there are potential
applications for this.

However, bear in mind that there is no free lunch.  The energy isn't
coming from nowhere.  What such systems do is convert some of the energy
of your orbital velocity into electrical energy.  There are cases where
this is a useful tradeoff.  Using power obtained in this way for propulsion
is useful only in special situations, however.

What you *can* do is get your power by some other means, e.g. solar arrays,
and run the interaction with the magnetic field in reverse, pumping energy
*into* the orbit rather than taking energy out of it.

If you want more information, trying looking up "electrodynamic propulsion",
"tether applications", and "magsails".

No.  A "dragless" satellite does not magically have no drag; it burns fuel
constantly to fight drag, maintaining the exact orbit it would have *if*
there was no drag.  This is why there are quotes around "dragless".


Hi,

I just sent a mail to Turgut Kalfaoglu (sp?), the maintainer of the list,
and asked him what's going on. If the list is (for whatever reason) really
dead, we might have to put up a list ourselves. But for now, I want to wait
for his answer.

Frank


[stuff deleted]

Actually, you get a ton of weapons and ammunition, 70-80 followers, and hole
up in some kind of compound, and wait for . . . . :-)


I know its semantics, but the "no-op" _doesn't_ do anything.  The
Command Loss Timer is simply looking for a command, any command.  A
"no-op" is simply a spacecraft command that drops bits into the big
bit bucket in the sky.  "No-op" also get used as timekeepers to provide
millisecond delays between command sequences (used on the thruster preps
on GRO, er, Compton) and to verify command links at the beginning of
TDRS events.  All in all, a rather useful command.  And, an intelligent
FDC test on Galileo (the Command Loss Timer).


	No one is forced to blow up airplanes.  Terrorism is a choice
made by people because they do not want to work for peace.

	There are *lots* of military targets in Israel.  There are
lots of legitamate targets in Israel.  Old ladies, children, and
civilians in general are not acceptable targets.

	If the only person you can kill is a civilian, you hold your
fire.  If that means you can't kill anyone, then you can't kill
anyone.  Claiming that civilain targets are acceptable because they
are easy kills is rediculous.

	Did they make a policy of it?

	Did you mean excuse? :)  Killing a soldier and killing a
civilian are two very different acts.

	No, they killed soldiers so that the British government would
leave.  The objective was not to scare civilains, but show that the cost
of staying was way too high.

	In contrast, a terrorist kills civilains to scare other
civilains.  They use random violence against people to make a point
that no one is safe until their demands are met.  An analogy would be
the Irgun blowing up Harrods or 10 Downing.

	Thats because you missed the essential point of arab
terrorism, which is to scare civilains away from Israel, by killing
those who have something to do with Israel.  It is to kill Jews
because they might be Zionists.  It is to kill people who live in
Israel because of where they live.  The targets are rarely soldiers,
or other people who understand they might be attacked in the line of
duty, but innocent civilians, to underscore the message that no one
who deals with Israel is safe.

	Oh, you mean you favor the Israelis, outnumbered 2 to 1,
outgunned, surrounded by hostile states only one of which has signed a
peace treaty in 45 years?  You favor the Jews, people like Leon
Klofhinger, a cripple who was thrown off a boat because he was Jewish?
You support the right of the Jewish people to live in peace?

	Why, thank you for your support.

Adam

Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu


This thread si starting to get really silly. Such nonsense do not
belong in s.r.c and it really hurts me to read some of the posts on
this issue.

We chose to believe whetever we want, but we are not allowed to define
our own Christianity. we see in parts. If you see something that I do
not see, or vice versa, it does not give me the right to play jokes on
your belief!

There is no wonder that your "miracle" does not work. You designet it
yourself, and even if you were able to collect a group of people like
the one you describe, I see no reason why your "miracle" should really
happen. God is the one who does miracles, not humans!

After all we are all on the same way, or at least, we are all headed
for the same goal, following different paths. Remember that we are
going to spend eternity together. If I can not stand your view here on
earth, how can I possibly stand spending eternity together with you?

Tongues is a question of belief. Not wether you believe in Jesus, but
if you believe that He is able to give you this gift. Just as any
other of the gifts mentioned in the Bible. But there is no evidence in
the Bible that people who do not accept these gifts are in any way
better than others.

Maybe some of the people who have received spiritual gifts are more
interested in glorifying themselves than glorifying God, I don't know.
But if this is the case, it still does not suggest that the gifts are
faked.

In the Bible you will find that Jesus did not always do miracles. He
said that "I do nothing, except what my father tells me." Perhaps it
woulkd be for the best of all if we where all able to live by that
example!

In Him,
Bjorn


One way Omaha to Seattle
ticket in my name [Jessamyn West]
for travel 5/9. Must be picked up at Omaha airport [or thereabouts]
on 5/6. Continental Airlines. Make me an offer.


The clutch on my '92 Honda Civic EX-V (EX in the U.S.) does this too.
It's annoying.  Now that I think about, it _is_ worse when the humidity is
high.  The dealer also claims there's nothing they can do since the clutch is
a "self-adjusting hydraulic design".  Yeah, right.


True enough, but...

Zilog SCC:
---------
	RR0[7]:  Break Detect

This is a very popular part, but it has a number of quirks, especially
in HDLC mode.

Signetics 68562 DUSCC:
---------------------
	RSR[2]:  Break Start Detect
	RSR[3]:  Break End Detect

Two of the bits in the Receiver Status Register.  You can enable an interrupt
on either of these bits going high, too.  Also, only one NULL will be put
in the FIFO per break detected.

This is simply the best serial chip I've ever worked with.  _Many_ less
quirks than the SCC, which is IMHO second-best.  (Death to 8250 devices!)


Like many others I too was watching the Caps/Isles game when the went
to the baseball game.  I too was pissed.  How could they interupt such
an important game.  I understand about contracts, but you would think they
would have a clause in the contract concerning important games!
Anyway,  us BLUES (and Hawks) fans got shafted worse!  While everyone
in the U.S. and watched the game on ABC.  However those of us who live in
the central Illinois area were subjected to watching the Arthritus(?)
Telethon.  The area that was most affected by the telecast did not get
to see the game except through HAWK VISION.  This game, had it been
televised, would have been the first home Hawks game shown in the area
since 1980.  This television BULL*&%$ has got to stop.  We are not only
being deprived of seeing games, due to skyrocketing ticket prices, but
we are also being deprived of watching them on TV.
 PEACE,
 HAMMER


:>Steve,  you're the one who suggested that a failed government should be an
:>ideal proving ground,  I never felt that way in the first place.  Quite the
:>contrary,  I think a better proving ground would be someplace that already
:>had a governemnt that would prevent outright acts of agression,  yet had a
:>strong spirit of individualism and initiative.  Someplace like... Texas :-)
:>
:>Mr. Grinch
:
:
:
:And while Texas taxpayers might willingly eliminate tax-support for UT
:and TAMU, I'm not sure they'd support gutting the football programs.
:
Football can pay for itself.

:Then there's the impact on Ross Perot's fortune of eliminating the various

Why?  He's already made it.  Sure nodoby else will be able to bilk
the public in the same specific ways,  but why should he (or I) care?

:All in all, Texas doesn't seem to be a very likely place for
:libertarianism to take hold. :-)
More likely than most places.  When I was there the most "important"
state issue was whether to have a state income tax or instead legalize
a popular vice for fund raising,  and vice won a decisive victory!

Mr. Grinch


I'm posting this for a friend, but you can e-mail questions to me at
gyeh@cc.bellcore.com  However, the best way to get your questions answered
is to call the phone number listed.

FOR SALE:

1991 Volkswagon Corrado

	2+2 coupe
	Low mileage: approx. 28,000 miles
	5-speed manual
	7 speaker factory Blaupunkt stereo system
	New all-weather Yokohamas 205/50VR15
	Sun roof
	AC
	Red
	Speed activated spoiler
	Extra set of tires - Pirelli P600 195VR15

	** Equipped with factory Winter package - heated seats,
           mirrors and nozzles.

	** Alpine security system with 2 remotes.

	All records - documentation, service
	Pampered car, mint condition

	Must sacrifice at $11,000 or best offer.


Hi all,

	I got tired of waiting for a mailing list so I am going to make one....
just send me your complete e-mail address on your message and I'll send
you a confirmation and the Yankee mailing list address

-john


Dear news readers,

Is there anyone using sheep models for cardiac research, specifically
concerned with arrhythmias, pacing or defibrillation? I would like
to hear from you.

Many thanks,
Andrew Mears


Some years ago -- possibly as many as five -- there was a discussion on
numerology.  (That's where you assign numeric values to letters and then add
up the letters in words, in an effort to prove something or another.  I can
never make any sense of how it's supposed to work or what it's supposed to
prove.)

Somebody posted a long article about numerology in the Bible, saying
things like "this proves the intricate planning of the Scriptures, else
these patterns would not appear".

Then there was a brilliant followup, which was about numerology in all the
other numerology posts.  Stuff like "The word `numerology' adds up to 28,
and the word appears 28 times in the posting!  Such elegant planning!
Further, the word `truth' ALSO adds up to 28; the writer is using these
numerological clues to show us that we reach truth via numerology!"
(These examples are made up by me just as examples.)

I really liked that reply, because it did such an excellent job of showing
that these patterns can be found in just about anything.  However, I did
not save a copy of it.  I do not remember the author.  I'm only 90% sure
that it was posted to this newsgroup.

BUT, on the off chance that somebody remembers it and saved it, or that the
author is reading here, I wanted to know if anyone could send me a copy.  (I
think it should be made into an FAQ, if we can find it.)


------------- cut here -----------------
call for employers to keep  information about the HIV status of health-care
workers  confidential.  But doctors who know of an HIV-positive colleague  who
has not sought advice must inform the employing authority and the appropriate
professional regulatory body.  The guidelines  also emphasize the significance
of notifying all patients on whom an invasive procedure has been done by an
infected health-care  worker.  A model letter to patients who have come into
contact  with such an individual is provided, along with suggestions for
health officials on how to deal with the media.  In addition, a  U.K. advisory
panel on HIV infection in health-care workers has  been formed to provide
specific occupational recommendations to  those treating such patients.
==================================================================
"Properties of an HIV 'Vaccine'" Nature (04/08/93) Vol. 362, No. 6420, P. 504
(Volvovitz, Franklin and Smith, Gale)

     The questions raised by Moore et al. about recombinant gp160  envelope
glycoprotein precursor from HIV-1 produced by  MicroGeneSys are advantages
rather than disadvantages, write  Franklin Volvovitz and Gale Smith of
MicroGeneSys in Meriden,  Conn.  Moore et al. says that gp160 in a baculovirus
expression  system does not bind strongly to the CD4 receptor, and that this
recombinant gp160 does not stimulate the same antibodies as the  HIV-1 virus
does in natural infection.  But vaccination with  recombinant gp160 in
patients infected with HIV-1 broadens HIV-1  specific envelope-directed immune
responses, including  crossreactive antibodies to gp160 epitopes and CD4 and
CD8  cytotoxic T-cell responses.  Volvovitz and Smith claim that they  never
intended their gp160 molecule to be identical to the native protein.  Antibody
responses against native HIV-1 proteins,  including the types described by
Moore et al., exist in nearly  all AIDS patients but do not prevent

HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 42
Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993

progression of HIV disease.  In addition, the binding of gp120 or gp120-
antibody complexes to  CD4 has been shown to interfere with antigen specific
activation  of CD4 cells and trigger programmed cell death in vitro, which
may contribute to the pathogenesis of HIV infection.  The absence of CD4
binding by the MicroGeneSys gp160 vaccine may therefore be viewed as an added
safety feature.  Phase I studies have  demonstrated stable CD4 counts,
stimulation of cytotoxic T cells, and the suggestion of restoration of immune
function.  Based on  these and other clinical results, MicroGeneSys gp160 was
chosen  by researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden for the  first
phase III vaccine therapy studies, conclude Volvovitz and  Smith.
==================================================================
"HIV-1 Infection: Breast Milk and HIV-1 Transmission" Lancet (04/10/93) Vol.
341, No. 8850, P. 930  (Mok, Jacqueline)

     There are still more questions than answers regarding  HIV-1-positive
women breastfeeding their babies, writes  Jacqueline Mok of the Lancet.  The
anti-infective properties of  milk are well documented.  While the numbers of
leukocytes,  concentrations of lactoferrin and IgA, and lymphocyte mitogenic
activity decline sharply during the first two to three months of  lactation to
barely detectable levels, lactoferrin and IgA then  increase from three to
twelve months, with 90 percent of total  IgA in milk being secretory IgA.
Breastfeeding protects infants  against gastrointestinal and respiratory
illnesses, in both  normal and uninfected children born to HIV-positive
mothers.  The Italian National Registry of AIDS discovered that breastfed HIV-
1 infected children had a longer median incubation time (19 months) than
bottlefed infants (9.7 months).  Breastfed children also had a slower
progression to AIDS.  There is no agreement on which  antibodies offer
protection against HIV-1 infection.  Studies of  the biological properties of
milk from 15 HIV-1 infected women  showed the presence of IgG and IgA
antibodies against envelope  glycoproteins, as well as IgA antibodies against
core antigens.   Binding of HIV-1 to the CD4 receptor can be inhibited by a
human  milk factor.  In the developing world, where infectious disease  and
malnutrition contribute significantly to infant mortality,  breast milk is
still the best food for infants, regardless of the mother's HIV status.
Transmission might be restricted by  breastfeeding after colostrum and early
milk have been expressed  and discarded.  The possibility remains that breast
milk could  protect the infant who is already infected with HIV at birth and
may even delay progression to AIDS, concludes Mok.
==================================================================
"Absence of HIV Transmission From an Infected Dentist to His Patients" Journal
of the American Medical Association (04/14/93) Vol. 269,  No. 14, P. 1802
(Dickinson, Gordon M. et al.)

     If universal precautions are practiced, the risk of HIV  transmission
from dentist to patient appears to be infinitesimal, write Gordon M. Dickinson

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et al. of the University of Miami  School of Medicine in Miami, Fla.  The
researchers contacted all  patients treated by a dentist with AIDS and
attempts were made to contact all patients for HIV testing.  Living patients
with newly detected HIV infection were interviewed, and DNA sequence  analysis
was performed to compare genetic relatedness of their  HIV to that of the
dentist.  Death certificates were obtained for deceased patients, and the
medical records of those with  diagnoses suggestive of HIV disease or drug
abuse and those dying under the age of 50 years were examined in detail.
There were  1,192 patients who had undergone 9,267 procedures, of whom 124
were deceased.  An examination of the death certificates of  patients
identified five who had died with HIV infection, all of  whom were either
homosexuals or IV-drug users.  The researchers  were able to detect 962 of the
remaining 1,048 patients, and 900  agreed to be tested.  HIV infection was
reported in five of the  900 patients, including four who had clear evidence
of risk  factors for the disease.  One patient who had only a single
evaluation by the dentist denied high-risk behavior.  Comparative DNA sequence
analysis showed that the viruses from the dentists  and these five patients
were not closely related.  The study  suggests the potential for HIV
transmission from a general  dentist to his patients is minimal in a setting
in which  universal precautions are strictly observed, conclude Dickinson  et
al.
       ================================================================
                                April 22, 1993
       ================================================================
"AIDS Patients are Susceptible to Recurrences of TB, Study Says" Washington
Post (04/22/93), P. A13

     Tuberculosis can strike AIDS patients more than once, which makes the
resurging health hazard harder to control, according to a  study published in
today's New England Journal of Medicine.   People who contract TB usually
develop an immunity that protects  them if they are exposed to the bacteria
again.  But a person  whose immune system is depleted may not be able to fight
off a  new TB infection, doctors found.  Peter M. Small of the Howard  Hughes
Medical Institute at Stanford University, director of the  study, said that in
order to protect against reinfection, it may  be necessary for some people to
use TB medicines permanently.   The study examined the genetic makeup of TB
bacteria and how the  germs changed over time in 17 patients at Kings County
Hospital  in New York.
================================================================
"HIV-1 Infection: Breast Milk and HIV-1 Transmission" Lancet (04/10/93) Vol.
341, No. 8850, P. 930  (Mok, Jacqueline)

     There are still more questions than answers regarding  HIV-1-positive
women breastfeeding their babies, writes  Jacqueline Mok of the Lancet.  The
anti-infective properties of  milk are well documented.  While the numbers of

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leukocytes,  concentrations of lactoferrin and IgA, and lymphocyte mitogenic
activity decline sharply during the first two to three months of  lactation to
barely detectable levels, lactoferrin and IgA then  increase from three to
twelve months, with 90 percent of total  IgA in milk being secretory IgA.
Breastfeeding protects infants  against gastrointestinal and respiratory
illnesses, in both  normal and uninfected children born to HIV-positive
mothers.  The Italian National Registry of AIDS discovered that breastfed HIV-
1 infected children had a longer median incubation time (19 months) than
bottlefed infants (9.7 months).  Breastfed children also had a slower
progression to AIDS.  There is no agreement on which  antibodies offer
protection against HIV-1 infection.  Studies of  the biological properties of
milk from 15 HIV-1 infected women  showed the presence of IgG and IgA
antibodies against envelope  glycoproteins, as well as IgA antibodies against
core antigens.   Binding of HIV-1 to the CD4 receptor can be inhibited by a
human  milk factor.  In the developing world, where infectious disease  and
malnutrition contribute significantly to infant mortality,  breast milk is
still the best food for infants, regardless of the mother's HIV status.
Transmission might be restricted by  breastfeeding after colostrum and early
milk have been expressed  and discarded.  The possibility remains that breast
milk could  protect the infant who is already infected with HIV at birth and
may even delay progression to AIDS, concludes Mok.
================================================================
"HIV and the Aetiology of AIDS" Lancet (04/10/93) Vol. 341, No. 8850, P. 957
(Duesberg, Peter)

     Because there is no proof that HIV is the cause of AIDS, the  hypothesis
that drug use leads to AIDS will hopefully become a  hindrance to the
physiologically (AZT) and psychologically  (positive AIDS test) toxic public
health initiatives, writes  Peter Duesberg of the University of California--
Berkeley.  In the Lancet's March 13 issue, Schechter et al. call Duesberg's
hypothesis that injected and orally used recreational drugs and  AZT lead to
AIDS, "a hindrance to public health initiatives."   However, their hypothesis
that HIV is the cause of AIDS has not  attained any public health benefits.
The U.S. government spends  $4 billion annually, but no vaccine, no therapy,
no prevention,  and no AIDS control have resulted from work on this
hypothesis.   Schechter et al. conclude that HIV has a key role in CD4
depletion and AIDS based on epidemiological correlations with  antibodies
against HIV and with self reported recreational drug  use among homosexuals
from Vancouver.  However, their survey  neglects to disprove Duesberg's drug-
AIDS hypothesis, because it  does not provide controls--i.e., confirmed drug-
free AIDS  cases--and because it does not quantify drug use and ignores AZT
use altogether.  To refute Duesberg's hypothesis Schechter would  have to
produce a controlled study demonstrating that over a  period of up to 10 years
HIV-positive patients who use  recreational drugs or AZT or both have the same
AIDS risks as  positives who do not do so.  The 10 year period is claimed by

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proponents of the HIV hypothesis to be the time needed for HIV to cause AIDS.
Alternatively, they could show that HIV-free  individuals who have used drugs
for 10 years never get  AIDS-defining illnesses, concludes Duesberg.
================================================================
"Rapid Decline of CD4+ Cells After IFNa Treatment in HIV-1  Infection"
Lancet (04/10/93) Vol. 341, No. 8850, P. 959   (Vento, Sandro et al.)

     Interferon (IFN), which induces autoantibodies and autoimmune  diseases
in some settings, may hasten CD4 T-cell loss in some  HIV-1 infected
individuals through the amplification of harmful  "autoimmune" reactions,
write Sandro Vento et al. of the A.  Pugliese Hospital in Catanzaro, Italy.
The researchers report  three asymptomatic HIV-1 infected individuals with
hepatitis C  Virus related chronic active hepatitis (CAH) who had a rapid,
profound decline of CD4 cells after IFN.  All three patients  throughout the
observation were consistently negative for serum  HIV p24 antigen and had
circulating antibodies to p24.  Sera from all three patients, obtained at the
end of IFN treatment and  testing in enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay,
contained high  titres of antibodies reacting to a sequence located in the
aminoterminal of the beta chain of all human HLA class II  antigens,
homologous to a sequence located in the carboxy  terminus of HIV-1 gp41.
These autoantibodies, which also  recognize "native" class II molecules and
may contribute to the  elimination of CD4 T cells "in vivo", were at low tires
(50-100)  in all three patients six months after stopping IFN.  Such
autoantibodies were not detected in 28 other patients with HIV  infection and
HCV related CAH treated with IFN and who did not  experience CD4 T-cell loss
in some HIV-1 infected individuals  through the amplification of harmful
"autoimmune" reactions.  The subjects had A1; B8; DR3; and B35, DR1 HLA
antigen combinations  which are linked with a more rapid fall in CD4 cell
counts and  clinical progression of HIV-1 disease.  IFN can induce a very
rapid decline of CD4 cells and should be used cautiously in  patients with
these HLA haplotypes, the researchers conclude.
       ================================================================
                                April 23, 1993
       ================================================================
"TB Makes a Comeback" State Government News (04/93) Vol. 36, No. 4, P. 6
(Voit, William and Knapp, Elaine S.)

     Although tuberculosis was once believed to be eliminated in the  United
States, it is emerging again among the homeless, AIDS  patients, immigrants,
minorities, and prisoners.  Dr. Lee B.  Reichman, professor of medicine at the
University of New Jersey  Medical School and president of the American Lung
Association,  said, "Right now, it's a big city problem, but potentially it's
everyone's problem."  The ALA predicts that 10 million Americans  are infected
with TB, and about 10 percent of them will develop  the disease because their
immune systems are depressed,  especially those with AIDS or HIV.  Gene

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Tammes, a Centers for  Disease Control expert, said that is why the CDC has
issued  guidelines warning hospitals and institutions not to mix AIDS  with TB
patients.  State health officials believe the TB is also  spreading because
those who are most susceptible are the least  likely to follow through with
treatment.  In addition, the  increase is attributed to a shortage of public
health services.   In New York City, TB is an epidemic "because the number of
cases  is increasing faster than we can treat people," said Dr. George
Diferdinando, director of the New York State TB Control.   According to
Diferdinando, curbing the spread of TB entails  keeping 85 percent or more of
diagnosed TB cases in treatment.   About 40 percent of infected New York City
residents don't  complete therapy.  When TB patients don't finish taking their
medication, multi-drug resistant TB can develop, which requires  taking more
expensive drugs and can take two years instead of the normal six months to
treat.
 ================================================================
 "Increasing Frequency of Heterosexually Transmitted AIDS in  Southern
Florida: Artifact or Reality?" American Journal of Public Health (04/93) Vol.
83, No. 4, P. 571  (Nwanyanwu, Okey C. et al.)

     The alarmingly high rate of heterosexually acquired AIDS cases in
southern Florida was partially related to misclassification of  risk, write
Okey C. Nwanyanwu et al. of the Centers for Disease  Control in Atlanta, Ga.
The researchers investigated 168 such  AIDS cases from Broward and coastal
Palm Beach counties.  All of  these cases attributed to heterosexual
transmission reported  sexual contact with bisexual men, injecting drug users,
or  persons born in countries where heterosexual contact is the  primary route
of HIV transmission.  Medical records of patients,  in addition to records
from social services, HIV counseling and  testing centers, and sexually
transmitted disease (STD) clinics  were reviewed.  If no other HIV risk factor
was found from  medical record review, patients were interviewed using a
standardized questionnaire.  Once STD clinic and other medical  records were
reviewed, 29 men and 7 women were reclassified into  other HIV transmission
categories.  After adjustments were made  for the reclassification, the
percentage of AIDS cases reported  from Palm Beach and Broward counties
between January 1, 1989, and March 31, 1990, that was attributed to
heterosexual transmission  decreased from 10 percent to 6 percent among men
and from 33  percent to 28 percent among women.  While the percentage of
heterosexually transmitted AIDS cases in southern Florida  decreased after
adjustment was made for reclassified cases, it  still remained above the
national average, the researchers  conclude.

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::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
                                AIDS Statistics
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

                            World Health Organization, Geneva
                        Organisation mondiale de la Sante, Geneve

                              WEEKLY EPIDEMIOLOGICAL RECORD
                           RELEVE EPIDEMIOLOGIQUE HEBDOMADAIRE

15 January 1993 - 68th Year

                        ACQUIRED IMMUNODEFICIENCY SYNDROME (AIDS)
                               DATA AS AT 31 December 1992

                       SYNDROME D'IMMUNODEFICIENCE ACQUISE (SIDA)
                               DONNEES AU 31 Decembre 1992

                                           NUMBER                 DATE OF
                                         OF CASES                 REPORT
COUNTRY/AREA -                             NOMBRE                 DATE
        PAYS/TERRITOIRE                    DE CAS                 DE
                                                                  NOTIFI-
                                                                  CATION
AFRICA - AFRIQUE

Algeria - Algerie                              92                 31.08.91
Angola                                        514                 24.09.92
Benin - Benin                                 247                 31.03.92
Botswana                                      353                 30.06.92
Burkina Faso                                1,263                 20.03.92
Burundi                                     6,052                 20.03.92
Cameroon - Cameroun                         1,407                 05.10.92
Cape Verde - Cap-Vert                          52                 08.02.92
Central African Republic -
        Republique centrafricaine           1,864                 20.03.92
Chad - Tchad                                  382                 17.09.92
Comoros - Comores                               3                 11.03.92
Congo                                       3,482                 30.01.92
Cote d'Ivoire                              10,792                 09.03.92
Djibouti                                      265                 17.12.92
Egypt - Egypte                                 57                 17.12.92
Equatorial Guinea -
        Guinee equatoriale                     13                 16.05.92
Ethiopia - Ethiopie                         3,978                 11.11.92

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Gabon                                         215                 31.05.92
Gambia - Gambie                               180                 25.02.92
Ghana                                       3,612                 01.07.92
Guinea - Guinee                               338                 20.03.92
Guinea-Bissau - Guinee-Bissau                 189                 13.07.92
Kenya                                      31,185                 01.10.92
Lesotho                                        64                 31.03.92
Liberia - Liberia                              28                 31.03.92
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya -
        Jamahiriya arabe libyenne               7                 17.12.92
Madagascar                                      2                 06.11.92
Malawi                                     22,300                 02.12.92
Mali                                        1,111                 17.07.92
Mauritania - Mauritanie                        36                 19.07.92
Mauritius - Maurice                            11                 29.02.92
Morocco - Maroc                               121                 17.12.92
Mozambique                                    538                 10.10.92
Namibia - Namibie                             311                 20.03.92
Niger                                         497                 07.02.92
Nigeria - Nigeria                             184                 12.03.92
Reunion - Reunion                              65                 20.03.92
Rwanda                                      8,483                 12.11.92
Sao Tome and Principe -
        Sao Tome-et-Principe                   11                 03.07.92
Senegal - Senegal                             648                 09.03.92
Seychelles                                    ---                 18.02.92
Sierra Leone                                   40                 20.03.92
Somalia - Somalie                              13                 17.12.92
South Africa -
        Afrique du Sud                      1,316                 30.06.92
Sudan - Soudan                                650                 17.12.92
Swaziland                                     197                 08.07.92
Togo                                        1,278                 03.04.92
Tunisia - Tunisie                             114                 17.12.92
Uganda - Ouganda                           34,611                 01.11.92
United Republic of Tanzania -
        Republique-Unie de
        Tanzanie                           34,605                 31.05.92
Zaire - Zaire                              18,186                 14.05.92
Zambia - Zambie                             6,556                 15.10.92
Zimbabwe                                   12,514                 31.03.92

TOTAL                                     211,032

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AMERICAS - AMERIQUES

Anguilla                                        6                 10.12.92
Antigua and Barbuda -
        Antigua-et-Barbuda                      6                 10.12.92
Argentina - Argentine                       1,820                 10.12.92
Bahamas                                       934                 10.12.92
Barbados - Barbade                            315                 10.12.92
Belize                                         53                 10.12.92
Bermuda - Bermudes                            199                 10.12.92
Bolivia - Bolivie                              49                 10.12.92
Brazil - Bresil                            31,364                 10.12.92
British Virgin Islands -
        Iles Vierges
        britanniques                            4                 10.12.92
Canada                                      6,889                 10.12.92
Cayman Islands - Iles Caimanes                 13                 10.12.92
Chile - Chili                                 573                 10.12.92
Colombia - Colombie                         2,957                 10.12.92
Costa Rica                                    419                 10.12.92
Cuba                                          137                 10.12.92
Dominica - Dominique                           12                 10.12.92
Dominican Republic -
        Republique dominicaine              1,809                 10.12.92
Ecuador - Equateur                            224                 10.12.92
El Salvador                                   382                 10.12.92
French Guiana -
        Guyane francaise                      232                 10.12.92
Grenada - Grenade                              32                 10.12.92
Guadeloupe                                    182                 10.12.92
Guatemala                                     273                 10.12.92
Guyana                                        333                 10.12.92
Haiti - Haiti                               3,086                 10.12.92
Honduras                                    1,976                 10.12.92
Jamaica - Jamaique                            361                 10.12.92
Martinique                                    227                 10.12.92
Mexico - Mexique                           11,034                 10.12.92
Montserrat                                      1                 10.12.92
Netherlands Antilles and Aruba -
        Antilles neerlandaises et
        Aruba                                 110                 10.12.92
Nicaragua                                      31                 10.12.92
Panama                                        388                 10.12.92
Paraguay                                       51                 10.12.92
Peru - Perou                                  614                 10.12.92

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Saint Kitts and Nevis -
        Saint-Kitts-et-Nevis                   37                 10.12.92
Saint Lucia - Sainte-Lucie                     48                 10.12.92
Saint Vincent and the
        Grenadines - Saint-
        Vincent-et-Grenadines                  41                 10.12.92
Suriname                                      122                 10.12.92
Trinidad and Tobago -
        Trinite-et-Tobago                   1,085                 10.12.92
Turks and Caicos Islands -
        Iles Turques et
        Caiques                                25                 10.12.92
United States of America -
        Etats-Unis d'Amerique             242,146                 10.12.92
Uruguay                                       310                 10.12.92
Venezuela                                   2,173                 10.12.92

TOTAL                                     313,083

ASIA - ASIE

Afghanistan                                   ---                 17.12.92
Bahrain - Bahrein                               3                 31.03.92
Bangladesh                                      1                 30.11.92
Bhutan - Bhoutan                              ---                 30.11.92
Brunei Darussalam -
        Brunei Darussalam                       2                 19.12.91
Burma see Myanmar -
        Birmanie voir Myanmar
Cambodia - Cambodge                           ---                 31.10.92
China(a) - Chine(a)                            11                 28.04.92
Cyprus - Chypre                                24                 17.12.92
Democratic People's Republic
        of Korea -  Republique
        populaire democratique
        de Coree                              ---                 30.11.92
Hong Kong                                      61                 26.09.92
India - Inde                                  242                 30.11.92
Indonesia - Indonesie                          24                 30.11.92
Iran (Islamic Republic of) -
        Iran (Republique
        islamique d')                          56                 17.12.92
Iraq                                            7                 17.12.92
Israel - Israel                               192                 17.12.92

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Japan - Japon                                 508                 04.12.92
Jordan - Jordanie                              24                 17.12.92
Kuwait - Koweit                                 7                 17.12.92
Lao People's Democratic Republic -
        Republique democratique
        populaire lao                           1                 23.04.92
Lebanon - Liban                                35                 17.12.92
Macao                                           2                 03.11.92
Malaysia - Malaisie                            46                 25.05.92
Maldives                                      ---                 30.11.92
Mongolia - Mongolie                             1                 30.11.92
Myanmar                                        16                 30.11.92
Nepal - Nepal                                  12                 30.11.92
Oman                                           27                 17.12.92
Pakistan                                       25                 17.12.92
Philippines                                    80                 07.10.92
Qatar                                          31                 17.12.92
Republic of Korea -
        Republique de Coree                    10                 19.11.92
Saudi Arabia - Arabie saoudite                 46                 17.12.92
Singapore - Singapour                          43                 05.08.92
Sri Lanka                                      20                 30.11.92
Syrian Arab Republic -
        Republique arabe syrienne              19                 17.12.92
Thailand - Thailande                          909                 30.11.92
Turkey - Turquie                               89                 17.12.92
United Arab Emirates - Emirats
        arabes unis                             8                 17.12.92
Viet Nam                                      ---                 28.04.92
Yemen - Yemen                                 ---                 17.12.92

TOTAL                                       2,582

EUROPE

Albania - Albanie                             ---                 30.09.92
Austria - Autriche                            828                 30.09.92
Belarus - Belarus                               6                 30.09.92
Belgium - Belgique                          1,224                 17.12.92
Bulgaria - Bulgarie                            16                 17.12.92
Czechoslovakia - Tchecoslovaquie               32                 17.12.92
Denmark - Danemark                          1,072                 17.12.92
Finland - Finlande                            112                 17.12.92

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France                                     21,487                 17.12.92
Germany - Allemagne                         8,893                 17.12.92
Greece - Grece                                689                 17.12.92
Hungary - Hongrie                             105                 17.12.92
Iceland - Islande                              22                 17.12.92
Ireland - Irlande                             294                 17.12.92
Italy - Italie                             14,783                 17.12.92
Latvia - Lettonie                               2                 30.09.92
Lithuania - Lituanie                            2                 30.09.92
Luxembourg                                     55                 17.12.92
Malta - Malte                                  25                 17.12.92
Monaco                                          9                 17.12.92
Netherlands - Pays-Bas                      2,330                 17.12.92
Norway - Norvege                              283                 17.12.92
Poland - Pologne                              118                 17.12.92
Portugal                                    1,007                 17.12.92
Romania - Roumanie                          2,073                 17.12.92
Russian Federation - Federation
        de Russie                              94                 30.09.92
San Marino - Saint-Marin                        1                 17.12.92
Spain - Espagne                            14,991                 17.12.92
Sweden - Suede                                743                 17.12.92
Switzerland - Suisse                        2,691                 17.12.92
United Kingdom - Royaume-Uni                6,510                 17.12.92
Yugoslavia(b) - Yougoslavie(b)                313                 30.09.92

TOTAL                                      80,810

OCEANIA - OCEANIE

American Samoa - Samoa americaines            ---                 18.11.92
Australia - Australie                       3,615                 02.12.92
Cook Islands - Iles Cook                      ---                 18.02.92
Federated States of Micronesia -
        Etats federes de Micronesie             2                 01.09.92
Fiji - Fidji                                    4                 28.11.91
French Polynesia - Polynesie francaise         27                 28.11.91
Guam                                           10                 13.09.91
Kiribati                                      ---                 08.11.91
Mariana Islands - Iles Mariannes                4                 14.10.92
Marshall Islands - Iles Marshall                2                 18.03.91
Nauru                                         ---                 17.12.92
New Caledonia and Dependencies -

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        Nouvelle-Caledonie et
        dependances                            22                 26.08.92
New Zealand - Nouvelle-Zelande                348                 03.11.92
Niue                                          ---                 18.02.92
Palau                                         ---                 15.10.92
Papua New Guinea - Papouasie-
        Nouvelle-Guinee                        45                 10.08.92
Samoa                                           1                 18.02.92
Solomon Islands - Iles Salomon                ---                 19.12.91
Tokelau                                       ---                 18.02.92
Tonga                                           2                 24.07.92
Tuvalu                                        ---                 22.11.92
Vanuatu                                       ---                 08.06.92
Wallis and Futuna Islands - Iles
        Wallis et Futuna                      ---                 27.05.91

TOTAL                                       4,082

WORLD TOTAL -
        TOTAL MONDIAL                     611,589

(a) The above statistics relating to China do not include 48 cases of AIDS in
the Province of Taiwan. -- Les statistiques ci-dessus se rapportant a la Chine
ne comprennent pas 48 cas de SIDA dans la province de Taiwan.

(b) Refers to Republics and areas of the former Socialist Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia:  Bosnia and Herzegovina; Croatia; Macedonia; Montenegro;
Serbia; Slovenia. -- Se refere aux republiques et territoires de l'ancienne
Republique federative socialiste de Yougoslavie: Bosnie-Herzegovine; Croatie;
Macedoine; Montenegro; Serbie; Slovenie.

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BASEBALL.....ALWAYS
how he


backupable, if restored to the same machine >>(depends>> on the
programmer...  don't use a disk drive characteristic!) If the user >> did
an upgrade to the machine, he/she should reinstall all programs any way.

have been quite pissed at any software that would have forced me to

Opinion is understandable.  :-)  I assume you have a tape drive?  Not all
of us have about 200 floppies around for backup, you know.

4Mb >of RAM to their computer?  I did that a couple of weeks ago.  It's in
the >BIOS, and if software had told me "this isn't the machine you
installed me >on" I would never have used that software again.  Really bad
idea.

RAM is something you add all the time, so no.  It's more like BIOS
manufacturer and/or processor type (386/486/etc).  Data cannot be used,
esp with these new Flash ROM BIOS machines with updates on a diskette.

On the other hand, to make this LESS intrusive it could be disguised as
"Please Insert Original Disk #XX as I need file YYYYYY for update".  :-)
It would be perfectly reasonable...  Sort of.

user's >> conscience should do that.

give >them that.  Your scheme isn't going to stop anyone.

Of course it is easier.  Are you saying then the originals SHOULD allow
only one install?  What is your point?

the quiz?  TWO!  Yes, TWO!  (And don't ask me which ones they are.)

instruction >to just completely skip it.  Not that difficult, really!  And
there is very >little that commpanies can do to stop this type of thing.
Using PKLITE or >some similar utility would help, but only if the
resulting compressed .EXE >were tagged as uncompressable.

I know x86 and 680x0 assembly quite well, thank you.  I know exactly which
two bytes need to be changed, I have the code to do them too.  I just said
"Don't ask me which ones."  I didn't say I don't know what that means.

Such hacking can be EASILY discouraged by adding anti-patching code which
does a self-check upon execution and refuse to load if CRC does not match
value stored (encrypted, of course) in the program.  It could be claimed
as a part of anti-virus code, and it would not be far from the truth.

a special patch once the user registers that loudly exclaims upon bootup
above.

Did ANYONE read what I wrote?  That is NOT what I wrote! (or meant!)

What I said was the program should have certain restriction (such as the
restrict-to-one-machine) UNTIL the program is registered with the
manufacturer.  The manufacturer will then supply the
then-proven-legitimate-user with a patch that will disable the restriction
and PROUDLY PROCLAIM the legal copy with the "Registered to XXX" screen.

Of course they will, but that was NOT my point.  The purpose of copy
protection is to discourage casual pirates ("Oh, can I have a copy of
that?"/"Sure, here.") and the less sophisticated pirates ("Let's look for
all those calls to INT13H...") .  Any one determined enough to break copy
protection can and will succeed.  They can always backtrace the entire
load-sequence of the program.  The point of copy protection is to make
such attempts take as long as possible while not intruding upon the uses
(or to minimize such intrusion) of legitimate use.  Pirates who see copy
protection as a challenge love breaking them, and no amount of copy
protection will stop them, but the rest of us WILL be stopped.  How many
of these hardcore pirates are there compared to rest of us?  Not that many.


The following was published in the May 15th Rocky Mountain News.  I
guess I have some REAL ethical problems with the practices at this
church.  I understand that Baptism is an overriding factor.  I also
understand that this is not an honest way to proceed.  Unfortunately,
this is becoming more typical of congregations as the Second Coming is
perceived to approach.

There is a real element of disparation in this 'make it happen at any
cost' style of theology.  I wonder where TRUST IN THE LORD fits into
this equation?

Baptisms draw parents' ire -- Children at church carnival in Springs
told they'd be killed by bee stings if they didn't submit to religious
rite.

By Dick Foster -- Rocky Mountain News Southern Bureau

Colorado Springs -- Outraged parents say their children were lured to
a church carnival and then baptixed without their permission by a
Baptist minister.

Doxens of children, some as young as 8 years old and unaccompanied by
their parents, thought they were going to a carnival at the
Cornerstone Baptist Church, where there would be a big water fight,
free balloons, squirt guns and candy.

Before that May 1 carnival was over, however, children were whisked
into a room for religious instruction and told they should be
baptized.  In many cases they consented, although they or their
families are not of the Baptist faith.

The baptisms by the church have angered many parents, including
Paulette Lamontagne, a Methodist and mother of twin 8-year-old girls
who were baptized without her knowledge or consent.

'My understnading was they were going to a carnival.  I feel that's a
false pretense,' said Lamontagne.  Her daughters said the minister
told them they would be killed by bee stings if they were not
baptized.

Cornerstone church officials defended their actions.

'We take our instructions from the word of God and God has commanded
us to baptize converts.  No one can show me one passage in the Bible
where it says that parental permission is required before a child is
baptized,' said Dan Irwin, associate pastor of the Cornerstone Baptist
Church.

Church officials did not tell parents their children would be baptized
because 'they didn't ask,' Irwin said.

Many other parents also felt they were simply sending their children
to a carnival at the invitation of their children's friends who were
members of the Cornerstone Church.

Police said chhurch officials had broken on laws in baptizing the
children, but indicated the parents could pursue civil action.

-------------------------------------------
Aren't these the same behaviors we condemn
in the Hari Krishnas and other cults?

[I think the issues are more complex than the newspaper account
mentions.  First, I'm not entirely sure that parental consent is
absolutely required.  This would be extremely difficult, because of
the clear commandment to obey parents.  But if an older child insisted
on being baptized without their parents' consent, I might be willing
to do it.  However this would be a serious step, and would warrant
much careful discussion.  The problem I find here is not so much
parental consent as that there was nobody's consent.  Whether you
believe in infant baptism or not, baptism is supposed to be the sign
of entry into a Christian community.  If there isn't a commitment from
*somebody*, whether parent or child, and no intent to become part of
the Church, the baptism appears to be a lie.  Furthermore, it is
likely to raise serious practical problems.  What if the child is from
a baptist tradition?  Normally when he reaches the age of decision, he
would be expected to make a decision and be baptized.  But he already
has been, by a church claiming to be a Baptist church.  So does he get
rebaptized?  Neither answer is really very good.  If not, he's being
robbed of an experience that should be very significant to his faith.


NPR this morning had an interview with Linda McCarthy (name possibly
garbled by me), an official historian for the CIA.  She has won an Emmy
for research on Moe Berg for a TV documentary (which I know from nothing
but which sounds good).  She said that among other things, Berg was the
principal spy for the OSS (CIA's WWII precursor) spying on Axis atomic
programs, because of his physics background and language skills.  She said
that during the war he met with Heisenberg in Switzerland, and had
instructions to shoot Heisenberg if the Germans were close to us in bomb
research (he concluded they were two years behind, and didn't shoot him).
(I have heard elsewhere that Heisenberg deliberately misled the Nazi bomb
program, but I don't know how reliable this is.)  Unfortunately, NPR didn't
mention any kind of a book she's writing -- I'd certainly buy it.

(In case you're wondering about baseball relevance, Berg was a longtime
MLB backup catcher.  He was a member of an MLB All-Star team that toured
Japan in 1934, presumably not because of his baseball prowess but because
he was one of the few Americans, much less MLB players, who spoke Japanese.
Photos he took of Tokyo on that trip were later used to plan bombing raids,
according to McCarthy.)


Has someone actually verified that mass is the predominant constraint on this
mission?  You seem to be assuming it without giving supporting evidence.

Pat, this would be slower, more expensive and worse.

Slower:  The shuttle mission is scheduled to go up in December.  That's less
than eight months away.  There is no way you could build new hardware, retrain
and reschedule the EVA's in that time.

More Expensive:  Your proposal still requires the shuttle to do everything it
was going to do execpt fire the OMS.  In addition, you've added significant
extra cost for a new piece of complex hardware.

According to a GAO report on the OMV I have before me, there are
only two currently planned missions that could use such a vehicle -- HST and
AXAF.  Since AXAF has since been scaled back and HST can rely on the shuttle,
there doesn't seem to be any need for your vehicle.


Read the documentation for the SimpleMenu (4.2.3 Positioning the SimpleMenu).
The reference is to the R5 documentation.

I had not done this before but in less than 10 mins I knocked up the following
Wcl application that does what you want using a Command widget. Even if you are
not familiar with Wcl the example is so simple it should be pretty obvious what
is going on. The crucial thing is the use of the XawPositionSimpleMenu and
MenuPopup actions.

Ari.wcChildren:		app

*app.wcCreate:		Command
*app.wcPopups:		menu
*app.translations:	#override \n\
			<Btn3Down>: XawPositionSimpleMenu(menu) MenuPopup(menu)

*menu.wcCreate:		SimpleMenu
*menu.wcChildren:	one, two, three

*one.wcCreate:		SmeBSB

*two.wcCreate:		SmeBSB

*three.wcCreate:	SmeBSB

Jim


Just one little thing. Last year, mid-december, a cop pulled me over. It
was about -10 Centigrade, and it just started snowing (O.K. you are right, I
live in Canada). The cop checked my license, insurance, ownership, looked at
my frozen nose and fingers, told me to watch the speed limit more closely,
and, entering his cruiser, told me, I was doing 68 instead of 50 km/h.
Didn't ticket me, and I REALLY slowed down after that ( I already mentioned
it started to snow. )

        Safe riding, Stefan.
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:
:    When you force people to associate with others against their will,
:    yes.
:
: People are *forced* into the USA armed forces?

They were in the recent past, maybe someone knows for certain if the
usa has decided if it wants a conscript army (as they sent into south
east asia) or a volenteer one?

--


Yesterday, a friend had asked me to accompany him to a local motorcycle
dealer. It has been a while since he last rode (>10 years), and I myself
have never bought a new bike from a dealer. What follows is an experience
of that visit and of an observation of "SQUILDLY" behavior by other
customers and/or sales personel:

BACKGROUND:

I ride with a group of friends, who mainly are into "cruiser" type bikes. My
friend was hell bent on getting an Intruder and had seen a few used ones. He
wanted to see what the new ones were going for, so we happened upon a dealer
that sold both Suzuki and Yamaha.

The place was fairly busy, so we browsed a bit. We happened upon a few
Intruders, most of which had SOLD signs on. My friend had been bitten.

Well the salesdroid appeared and as my friend started chewing the fat, I
moseid on outside. The next thing I know, I see 3 or 4 sport bikes pull in.
I could stereo-type the type of riders (backward ball hat, oakley, IQ <40),
but I won't. Well they went inside, I didn't think much of it. I figured
to each his own. I went back in to see if the salesdroid had his fangs
firmly implanted into my friends back,  when I noticed the "hormone gang"
talking to other salesdroids/managers. Lot's of laughter, jokes etc. No big
deal.

Here is the part that concerned me. The "HG" and those shop personel that were
not busy with customers went back out, where said "HG" members fired up their
rides and did the obligatory reving up of those 600 beasts. At this point,
one decided to see how much rubber  a Katana 600 could deposit in the drive.

SQUIDS, I thought to myself. BUT I was appalled that the salesdroids/manager
not only condoned this behavior, but encourged it, to the point were they
were betting how long he could keep it up and egged him on to pull a wheely
as he rode off onto a busy street around rush hour. THe girl that was riding pillion on another bike, seemed rather hormonal about this display, and urged her
"pilot" to quickly catch up. The others followed, making sure there Kerkers
could be heard as well as felt.

I felt embarassed at this point to be a motorcyclist. I felt the eyes of those
in cages, witnessing this display, then glancing over to the dealers lot and
damning all those on two wheels. Needless to say, my friend felt a little
uncomfortable and we left.

I will now turn off my frustration and go ride... peacefully, to clear my
anger. I only hope that the cop who is following me home, has an open
mind and doesn't associate me with them.


I guess that it was not acceptable because Germany *also* chose
a path of aggression simultaneously that put the interests of
other countries in peril. I wonder whether US or other countries
would have risked themselves if only Jews were persecuted and
Hitler had no imperialist ambitions. (I am no student of history
and I am just asking questions.)

If even for a moment you think that I am condoing ethnically
motivated violence and killings, you are dead wrong. Let me
assure I am not. My only question is this: Do powerful countries
have a moral obligation to interefere in other countries if
their own interests are not threatened. I cite an essay by
Charles Krauthammer in the Time (this week) that discusses
this issue eloquently.

For example, did US and other European countries abandon their
moral compunctions when they chose not to send military troops
to Bombay when Hindus, in a rare fit of impassioned rage, killed
many Muslims recently. I think not!

Under what conditions should US interfere in foregin countries,
is an abstraction one must clarify before resorting to acrimonious
accusations of religious bigotry and such.

Satya Prabhakar


I'm putting together a list of the civil rights violations perpetrated against
the Davidians by the FBI/BATF. Here is what I've got so far. Care to add
any or provide more backup info?

First Amendment:
1) FBI/BATF violated Davidians right to free exercise of religion from the
	start. We now have a de facto precident against any minority religion.
2) FBI/BATF violated BD right to free speach by:
	a> preventing them to speak to media
	b> preventing them from practicing their beliefs
3) FBI/BATF violated the freedom of the press by:
	a> keeping them 2 miles from the Davidians
	b> preventing the media to cover the FBI/BATF actions close-up
	c> censoring media reports
4) FBI/BATF violated the BD's right to peaceable assemble
	a> proven by initial baseless assault

Second Amendment:
1) The BATF went after them because they had too many guns and guns that the
	FBI/BATF didn't approve of. 'Nuff Said.

Fourth Amendment:
1) The right of the BD's to be "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
   effects against unreasonable searches and seizures" was violated by:
	a> Initial baseless assault

Fifth Amendment:
1) The Davidians were "held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous
   crime" without a "presentment or indictment by a Grand Jury."
2) The Davidians were "deprived of life, liberty, and property without due
   process of law.

Sixth Amendment:
1) The accused were denied the right to "a speedy and public trial by an
   impartial jury" when the FBI became judge, jury and executioner.
2) The BD's were never informed of the specific "nature anad cause of the
   accusation."

Eighth Amendment:
1) The Davidians suffered cruel and unusual punishment when:
	a> The FBI cut off the water to the ranch
	b> The FBI used Psy-War (loudspeakers broacasting the screams of
	   dying rabbits and Tibetian Chants)
	c> The FBI prevented family members from contacting their family
	   inside the ranch.
	d> The FBI used tear-gas against them (especially the children)
	e> The FBI burned the ranch down.
	f> Thoes who escaped were imprisoned without bail without a hearing.

Anything I miss?


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No.  I do not find this conceivable.  I also cannot conceive of the
possibility that there is any hypothetical team which Morris would
help more than Clemens.

Given your premise, yes.  But you are alone in your ability to
conceive of that premise.


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I know this is kinda off the subject of sci.space, but not really, I want to
answer this for their, as well as everyone else's information.  What these
people are proposing, by and large already exists and can be purchased today.

It is called labview by National Instruments.  IT is a wonderful object
oriented graphical programming language.  IT has been implemented on
both Mac's PC's and VME unix boxes.  IT is fare superior to any programming
approach that I have ever seen and allowed us to decrease the software
development time for our shuttle payloads by 90 percent.  This program is
not dependendant on specific hardware and already has exensive analysis
capability.

Why re-invent the wheel on a platform that may not exist? It is a great
idea but look out there at what is available today.  The Hydrogen leak on
the Shuttle was found using this software. All SSME control and simulation
studies, along with the real testing at MSFC is handled with LabVIEW.  There
are tons of applications, with the ability to create "virtual" instruments
that can accomplish any specific custom task the maker desires.  With the
addition of IEEE-488 support, the computer becomes a virtual control station,
allowing the graphic representation of remote instrumentation. With serial
I/O support that instrument can be anywhere.  The ground control software
for the main control of SEDSAT 1 will utilize this approach.


(This is a continuation of an earlier post)

(I am sorry you found this offensive.  It was not my intent to offend.  I was
leading up to another point, which I discuss in more detail below.)

I can see you have a revulsion for bestiality that far exceeds my distaste for
homosexuality.  Certainly if I spoke about homosexuality the way you speak of
bestiality, nobody would have any trouble labelling me a homophobe.  Let me ask
this gently:  why are you so judgemental of other people's sexual preferences?
What happened to "No doubt I am free to do anything"?  I think you have a
serious double standard here.  When you describe a comparison between
homosexuality and bestiality as "slimey" and "sleazy", you are making an
implicit judgement that bestiality is perverted, sinful, disgusting,
unnatural--in short, all the things that society once thought about
homosexuality.  Not all people share your view.  You claim not to know any
sincere zoophiles, but this does not mean that they do not exist.  They even
have their own newsgroup:  alt.sex.bestiality.  Are you going to accuse them
all of being mere "jokers"?

I notice you deleted the main point of my comment:  the fact that the only
Biblical condemnations of bestiality occur in connection with the Levitical
prohibitions against homosexuality.  While there are some New Testament
passages that can arguably be taken as condemning homosexuality, there are none
that condemn bestiality.  One of your main points seems to be that Christian
homosexuality is acceptable due to the lack of any "clear" New Testament
statements against it; if this is a valid argument, then should not Christian
zoophilia be made that much more acceptable by the fact that the New Testament
makes no reference, clear or unclear, to the subject at all?

I am quite serious here.  If I am going to accept homosexuality as Biblically
acceptable on the basis of your arguments, then I am going to be fair and apply
the same standards to everyone else's declared sexual preferences as well.  If
the arguments you make for homosexuality can be applied to other sexual
preferences as well, I'm going to apply them and see what comes up.  I'm not
trying to "torpedo a serious issue" by using what you label "a ridiculous
joke".  I posted a question about how we should interpret Biblical guidelines
for Christian sexuality, and I don't think such a question is "irrelevant" in a
group called "soc.religion.christian".  The Bible discusses homosexuality and
bestiality together in the same context, and therefore I feel I have a good
precedent for doing the same.

I don't know whether it makes any difference, but for the record, this is not a
side issue for me.  I believe loving one another includes not encouraging
people to defile themselves, therefore it is of high importance to determine
whether God regards certain sexual acts as defiling.  I can read in the New
Testament that "God has joined together" heterosexual couples, and that the
marriage bed is undefiled.  I can read in the Old Testament that homosexual
intercourse and bestiality defile a person whether or not that person is under
the Law.  If gay Christians can validly put aside the Old Testament standards
of defilement, then I want to know so that I can fairly apply it to all the
sexual practices that defiled a person in the old days.  I don't think it's
right to take just bits and pieces of the Law and try and apply them to
Christians today, e.g. bestiality still defiles you but homosexuality doesn't.
That was pretty much what you said earlier, right?  You used different
examples, but I think you said essentially the same thing about it being wrong
to apply only certain parts of the Law to Christians.

It was not my intent to stir up such an emotional reaction.  I personally don't
get all that upset discussing alternatives to the monogamous heterosexual
orientation; I'm afraid I naively assumed that others would have a similar
attitude.  Please note that I have never intended to equate homosexuality with
child abuse.  I have merely noted that, for all the lack of "clear" NT
condemnation of homosexuality, there is an even greater lack of NT condemnation
(or even mention) of bestiality, a practice which a number of people (e.g. on
alt.sex.bestiality) consider to be their true sexual orientation.

This is an excellent question, and I pray that you will not treat it as a mere
rhetorical question, but will genuinely seek to discover and understand the
answer.  I recommend you begin with a little introspection into why you
yourself have much the same attitude towards zoophilia.  Why do you find
bestiality so repugnant that you regard it as slanderous to even mention in
connection with other alternative sexual orientations?  Why do you not apply
all the same verses about love and tolerance to zoophiles the way you apply
them to homosexuals?

Is it because you automatically experience a subjective feeling of revulsion at
the thought?  A lot of people have the same experience at the thought of
homosexual intercourse.  Is it because you regard the practice as socially
unacceptable?  A lot of people regard homosexuality as socially unacceptable.
Do you feel that it violates the traditional Judeo-Christian standard of sexual
morality?  Many people feel that homosexuality does.  Do you feel the Bible
condemns it?  Many people think the Bible says more to condemn homosexuality
than it does to condemn bestiality.  Why then do you think comparing bestiality
with homosexuality is insulting to homosexuality?  If you can honestly answer
this question, you will have come a long way towards understanding why many
people feel the same way about homosexuality as you feel about bestiality.

Also please note that I am not in any sense condemning *people*.  I am merely
pointing out that when I read the Bible I see certain sexual *practices* that
the Bible appears to condemn, e.g. sex outside of marriage.  When I say I think
adultery and pre-marital sex are sinful, do you take that as me failing to love
my neighbor?  When you treat bestiality as something disgusting and
unmentionable, are you disobeying "repeated orders not to judge or condemn
others"?  When you say other Christians are guilty of sinning by condemning you
and judging you, are you by that accusation making yourself guilty of the same
offense?  Or are you and I both simply taking note about *practices* the Bible
brands as sinful, and leaving the judgement of the *people* up to God?

I'm not sure what you mean by the above two paragraphs.  If you mean that Jesus
is the Truth, and that He accepts sinners, and does not reject them, then I
agree.  If we were not sinners, then we would not *need* a Savior.  Our
salvation in Christ, however, does not mean that sin is now irrelevant for us,
and we can now do whatever we want.  Nor does Christ's grace mean that those
who refer to sin as "sin" are being judgemental or intolerant.  I am speaking
in general terms here, not specifically about homosexuality.  If the Bible
calls something "sin", then it is not unreasonable for Christians to call it
sin too.

As applied to Christian homosexuality, I think the only definitive authority on
Christian sexuality is the Bible.  If you make a list of everything the Bible
says on the subject of homosexual intercourse, I think you will find that every
verse on the list is negative and condemning at worst, and "unclear" at best.
The most pro-gay statement you could make about the list is that there is some
dispute about the New Testament verses which many people interpret as
condemning homosexual intercourse.  That is, from a gay perspective, the most
positive thing you can say about the Bible's treatment of homosexuality is that
some verses fail to clearly condemn it.  That's it.  Jesus declared all foods
clean, the council at Jerusalem declared that Gentiles were not required to
keep the ritual Law, but nobody ever reclassified homosexual intercourse from
being an abomination deserving of death to being an accepted Christian
practice.  You have verses describing homosexual intercourse as an abomination
that defiles both Jews under the Law and Gentiles not under the Law, and you
have some verses which are at best "not clear" but which some people believe
*are* clear in their condemnation of homosexual behavior, and that's the sum
total of what the Bible says about same-sex intercourse.

I can appreciate (from personal experience) your desire to have everything
simple, cut-and-dried, black-and-white, what-I-want- is-ok, and
those-who-oppose-me-are-wicked.  However, I do not think the Bible makes your
case as definitively as you would like it to.  In fact, I don't believe it says
anything positive about your case at all.  Yes, I know the verses about loving
one another, and not judging one another, but that's not really the issue, is
it?  You know and admit that there are still things that are sinful for
Christians to do, since you say it is wrong for Christians to condemn you.
Therefore, the issue is whether the Bible says homosexual intercourse is a sin.
Even if you do challenge the clarity of the New Testament verses, you are still
left with the fact that the only thing the Bible does say clearly about
homosexual intercourse is that it is an abomination that defiles both those who
are under the law and those who are not.

- Mark


A squid is the guy I saw back in December on cool 40 degree morning on my way
to work. He was wearing knee-length pants, light jacket, no gloves, though he
was going considerably slower than DoD nominal.


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   o    170 megabytes of storage.

   The Graphics BBS currently runs on an IBM AT at 8mHz with 4 meg of
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Or do like the manual says and put it in 3rd first, then you can quickly
go into reverse... no waiting.

mark


Only if he doesn't spend more than a billion dollars doing it, since the
prize is not going to be scaled up to match the level of effort.  You can
spend a billion pretty quickly buying Titan launches.

What's more, if you buy Titans, the prize money is your entire return on
investment.  If you develop a new launch system, it has other uses, and
the prize is just the icing on the cake.

I doubt very much that a billion-dollar prize is going to show enough
return to justify the investment if you are constrained to use current
US launchers.  (There would surely be a buy-American clause in the rules
for such a prize, since it would pretty well have to be government-funded.)
You're going to *have* to invest your front money in building a new launch
system rather than pissing it away on existing ones.  Being there first is
of no importance if you go bankrupt doing it.

I'm sure Spar would offer to develop such a lunar-tuned system and deliver
a couple of them to you for only a couple of hundred million dollars.


Hmmmmmmmmm. I can read this one of two ways:

1) Ed gotabike.
2) Motorcyclist is like alcoholic. (once you're an alcoholic, you're always
an
                                    alcoholic - at least that's what
friends in
                                    a position to know tell me)

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil


Acorn Software, Inc. has 3 tape drives (currently used on a VMS
system) for sale.  These are all SCSI tape drives and are in
working condition.

         WangDat 1300 4mm                $500.00
         WangDat 2600 4mm (compression)  $650.00 (SALE PENDING)
         Exabyte 8200 8mm                $650.00 (SALE PENDING)

Plus shipping and COD.  Certified checks only, please.  These
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