Note:  I am breaking this reply into 2 parts due to length.

I agree that there are no verses that have gone unchallenged by gay rights
activists.  But if there are zero verses that "'clearly' address the issues,"
doesn't that mean that there are also no verses that clearly *support* your
case?  Are you sure you want to say that there are zero verses that clearly
address the issues?

The story in Genesis 19 tells of the citizens of Sodom demanding an opportunity
to "know" the two men who were Lot's guests; the fact that the Sodomites became
angry when Lot offered them his daughters could be seen as indicating that they
were interested only in homosexual intercourse.  Yes, what they wanted was
rape, homosexual rape, and everybody agrees that that is wrong.  Some
Christians believe that the homosexual aspect of their desire was just as
sinful as the rape aspect of their desire.  The passage does not say what it
was that so offended God, whether it was the homosexuality, or the intended
rape, or both, but I believe that it is only fair to consider all the possible
alternatives in the light of related Scriptures.  I do not believe that those
who believe God was offended by both the homosexuality and the rape are trying
to say that homosexuality is itself a form of rape.

You seems to take the view that the *only* sin described in Gen. 19 is in the
fact that the Sodomites wanted to commit rape, and that it is unfair to
"stigmatize" their homosexuality by associating it with the sin of rape.  I can
see how you might reach such a conclusion if you started from the conclusion
that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, but then again we're not
supposed to start from our conclusions because that's circular reasoning.  If
God is in fact opposed to homosexual intercourse in general, then the more
probably interpretation is that He was at least as offended by the Sodomites'
blatant homosexuality as He was by their intent to commit rape.  Later on I
will document why I believe the Old Testament portrays God as One who despises
*any* homosexual intercourse, even if both partners are consenting adults.

The moderator found my proposal to be circular in that he regarded the church
as the proper  authority for determining what *kinds* of marriages would be
legitimate, and thus the church's refusal to recognize "perverted" marriages
was circular reasoning.  My questions, however, had nothing to do with the
church ordaining new kinds of marriages, and so his argument was something of a
straw man.  In terms of my original question, the precise
definition/translation of "porneia" isn't really important, unless you are
trying to argue that the Bible doesn't really condemn extramarital sex.  I'm
not sure the moderator was trying to do that.

In any case, I think both you and the moderator have missed the point here.
When Jesus was asked about divorce, He replied, "Have you not read, that He who
created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this
cause a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife; and
the two shall become one flesh'?  Consequently they are no longer two, but one
flesh.  What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." (Mt.
19:4-6).  I read here that the sexual union of a man (male) and his wife
(female) is a divinely-ordained union.  In other words, the institution of
heterosexual marriage is something ordained and established by God--not by men,
and not by the church, but by God.  Men are not supposed to dissolve this
union, in Jesus' words, because it is not something created by men.

This is not circular reasoning, this is just reading God's word.  I read in the
Bible that God ordained the union of male and female.  I do not read of any
similar divinely-ordained union of two males or two females.  Granted, there
have been uninspired men who have ordained "alternative" unions (isn't Caligula
reported to have "married" his horse?), but the only union that Jesus refers to
as "what God has joined together" is the heterosexual union of a man and his
wife.

(Pardon me for mentioning Caligula.  I know that's probably inflammatory, and I
should save it for the discussion on bestiality, in part 2 of this post.
Please hold off on passing judgement on me until you have read that section of
my reply.)

Anyway, my original question was not whether we should translate "porneia" in a
way that condemns only a select few kinds of extramarital sex, my question was:
given that heterosexual marriage is the only union described by the Bible as
divinely-ordained, and given a Biblical prohibition against sex outside of
marriage, is homosexual intercourse sinful?  Of course, I see now that first we
need to ask whether the Bible really condemns sex outside of marriage.  You
seem to be trying to argue that only certain kinds of extramarital sex (and
other sins) are really wrong:

Alternatively, it may be that the definition of such terms as "porneia" and all
the rest was, in Paul's day, what we would call a FAQ; i.e. the Law, as the
"tutor" appointed by God to lead us to Christ, had just spent some sixteen
centuries drumming into the heads of God's people the idea that things like
homosexual intercourse were abominations that deserved punishment by death.
Perhaps Paul didn't go into detail on what "porneia" &c were because after 1600
years he considered the question to have been dealt with already.  Perhaps the
reason God's apostles and prophets did not devote a great deal of time defining
a distinct, New Testament sexuality was because He did not intend any
significant changes in the sexuality He had already established by the Law.
I'll discuss the Law and homosexuality in greater detail below, but I just
wanted to point out that the New Testament's failure to develop a detailed new
standard of sexuality is not necessarily evidence that God does not care about
sexual conduct--especially after 1600 years of putting people to death for
practicing homosexuality!

And how do you define an "obsessively driven" mode of sexual behavior?  How do
you determine the difference between obsessive sexual behavior and normal sex
drives?  Is the desire to have "sinful" sex an obsessively driven mode of
behavior?  I think you see that this is circular reasoning:  Why is it defined
as sinful?  Because it is obsessive.  What makes it obsessive?  The fact that
the person is driven to seek it even though it's sinful.  Or is it obsessive
because it is a desire for that which society condemns?  Once again, that's
circular:  Why is it defined as obsessive?  Because the person wants it even
though society condemns it.  Why does society condemn it?  Because it is
obsessive.

You seem to be trying to limit the Bible's condemnation of "porneia" to only
"perverted" sex acts, but I don't think you can really define "perverted"
without falling into exactly the same circularity you accuse me of.  What,
then, is Paul condemning when he declares that "Fornicators...shall not enter
the kindgom of heaven"?

I think you misunderstood me:  I was not trying to make an argument on some
technical definition of "porneia", I was raising the issues of the sinfulness
of extramarital sex and the lack of any Scriptural evidence of a homosexual
counterpart to the divinely-ordained union of heterosexual couples.

Please remember what you just said here for when we discuss bestiality, in part
2.

I am glad you asked.  Would you agree that if God condemns homosexual
intercourse even among those who are not under the Law of Moses, then this
would show that God's condemnation of homosexual acts goes beyond the ritual
law?  If I can show you from Scripture that God punished the homosexual
behavior of people who were *not* under the Law of Moses, would you agree that
God's definition of homosexual intercourse as an abomination is not limited to
just the ritual law and those who are under the Law?

I've been having a private Email discussion with a 7th Day Adventist on the
subject of the Sabbath, and my main point against a Christian sabbath-keeping
requirement has been that nowhere in Scripture does God command Gentiles to
rest on the sabbath, nor does He ever condemn Gentiles for failing to rest on
the Sabbath.  This illustrates the difference between universal requirements
such as "Thou shalt not kill", and requirements that are merely part of the
(temporary, Jews-only) Law of Moses, such as the Sabbath.

The point you are trying to make is that you think the classification of
homosexual intercourse as "an abomination" is *just* a part of the temporary,
Jews-only Law of Moses.  I on the other hand believe that it was labelled by
God as an abomination for Gentiles as well as Jews, and that He punished those
guilty of this behavior by death or exile.  Here's why:

Back in Genesis 15, God promises to give Abraham all the land that was then in
the possession of "the Amorite"--kinda hard on the Amorite, don't you think?
But in verse 16 we have a clue that this might not be as unjust as it sounds:
it seems God is going to postpone this takeover for quite a while, because "the
iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete".

Remember, this is all long before there was a ritual law.  What then was the
iniquity the Amorite was committing that, when complete, would justify his
being cast out of his own land and/or killed?  Go back and look at Lev. 18
again.  Verses 1-23 list a variety of sins, including child sacrifice, incest,
homosexuality, and bestiality.  Beginning in verse 24, God starts saying, "Do
not defile yourselves by any of these things; for _by_all_these_ _things_ the
nations which I am casting out before you _have_ _become_defiled_.  For the
land has become defiled, therefore I have visited its punishment upon it, so
the land has spewed out its inhabitants... For whoever does any of these
abominations, those persons who do so shall be cut off from among their
people."

Notice that God says the Gentile nations (who are *not* under the ritual Law of
Moses) are about to be punished because they have "defiled" themselves and
their land by committing "abominations" that include incest, bestiality, and
homosexuality.  Flip ahead two chapters to Lev. 20, and you will find these
same "abominations" listed, and this time God decrees the death penalty on
anyone involved in any of these things, including, specifically, a man "lying
with another man as one lies with a woman" (Lv. 20:13).  Their
"bloodguiltiness" was upon them, meaning that in God's eyes, they deserved to
die for having done such things.  According to Lev. 18:26-29, even "the alien
[non-Jew] who sojourns among you" was to refrain from these practices, on
penalty of being "cut off [by God?] from among their people."

Under the circumstances, I believe it would be very difficult to support the
claim that in the Old Testament God objected only to the intended rape, and not
the homosexuality, in Sodom.  Since God took the trouble to specifically list
sex between two consenting men as one of the reasons for wiping out the
Canaanite nations, (not homosexual rape, mind you, but plain, voluntary gay
sex), I'd say God was not neutral on the subject of homosexual behavior, even
by those who had nothing to do with the Mosaic Covenant.

According to II Tim. 3:16, all Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable
for teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness; thus, I
believe that even though we Gentile Christians are not under the Law, we can
learn from studying it.  If a certain action is defined as a sin because it is
a violation of the Law, then it is a sin only for those who are under the Law
(for example, in the case of Sabbath-keeping).  Where God reveals that certain
actions are abominations even for those who are not under the Law, then I
conclude that God's objection to the practice is not based on whether or not a
person is under the Law, but on the sinfulness of the act itself.  In the case
of homosexuality, homosexual intercourse is defined by God as a defiling
abomination for Gentiles as well as Jews, i.e. for those who are not under the
Law as well as for those who are.  Thus, I am not at all trying to say that
Gentile Christians have any obligation to keep any part of the Law, I am simply
saying that God referred to homosexuality as a sin even for those who are not
obligated to keep the Law.  If this is so, then I do not think we can appeal to
our exemption from the Law as valid grounds for legitimizing a practice God has
declared a bloodguilty abomination that defiles both Jew and Gentile.

(continued in Part 2)


   This is called silver bearing solder.   It is used to solder to
devices that have silvered contacts.   One application is soldering
to the ceramic terminal strips used in the old Tektronix scopes.   These
were notched ceramic strips that were silver plated in the notches.
If you used ordinary solder the molten metal would disolve the silver
off of the ceramic.   The silver was quite thin.   The 2% is a saturated
solution of silver in tin and lead.    Thus, no more silver can be
disolved in the solder solution.   Other devices that use silver contacts
are quartz crystals and ultrasonic transducers.


  I had a similar problem with my StyleWriter I (the original!).
Have you tried cleaning the print heads? With the SWII driver, it's
and option in the Print dialog box. Sometimes I had to do it several
times to get the crud out. Yes it wastes ink, but it beats those
white annoying lines.
  Another idea is to print a couple of pages with just a big
black box. It can help to get the ink flowing.
  Good luck!

  Beth Corbo


I agree, with the exception that I don't preach ignoring our cultures.

In Revelation 2-3, we see that in the first century church, there was one
congregation in each major city.  So there was one unified church.  Now in
each city, there were people of different cultures.  Naturally, they
formed something of a stew, with different members having different
heritages.  Nevertheless, they were ONE body.  They met together,
sometimes as smaller groups in their homes and sometimes in bigger groups
in places such as the temple courts.

Now in a particular city, then and now, you will find that there is a
common language associated with that region.  For instance, in Rome, Latin
was spoken.  In the United States today, English is spoken.  So it would
make sense that congregations in different cities would speak the common
language and not necessarily Latin.

Naturally, you would expect the lead evangelist to preach in the common
language.  In the first century church, there were probably many people
in the congregation who could speak a given tongue to translate the
message for people of foreign ethnic groups.  Today, however, you don't
see people speaking in tongues to translate sermons, even in so-called
Pentacostal churches.  We do have a modern day equivalent though --
bi-lingual speakers.  Now in the unified church of which I am a member -
sometimes called the International Churches of Christ, when we all meet
together on Sundays, there are headphones on people who don't speak
English from which they hear an ongoing translation of the sermon in their
native tongue.  Neat idea, huh?

Now, we meet in different size groups in a random sort of way on Sundays,
so sometimes there will be a meeting of only Haitians or of Spanish-
speaking people, for example, who will hear an evangelist preach in their
native language.  In addition, we meet in small groups a couple of times
during the week for Bible discussion groups and Devotionals.  So someone
who speaks a different language will almost always be with people who also
speak his language (assuming the congregation is large enough) for those
meetings.

As for the people who speak the common language, they can keep in touch
with their culture, if they want, but they will also have equally deep
friendships among their church relationships with people of many various
nationalities.

The action of letting Catholics worship in a native language instead of
Latin?  Indeed not!  See my second paragraph in response to the second
clipping of your article.

However, if you mean the action of forming denominations based on a
culture, then the purpose of the church has been indeed thwarted.

I'll assume the second possiblility when answering your next clipping.

You have met some needs of people, certainly, by helping them to be proud
of their cultural heritages when most denominations didn't.  Yet you have
largely isolated yourselves from having quality "Christian" friendships
outside your nationality (and your denomination).

We shall certainly give people a place to feel comfortable with their
heritage.  However, we will do this in a way that does not destroy church
unity, but rather encourages friendships among all disciples.

It sounds like these groups have wonderful intentions, but they are going
about things in the wrong way.  And names like the African Methodist
Episcopal Church still make me cringe, although not as much as before.

I understand that there was more racism in the past that caused such
groups to be formed, but now we should try to unite.  I know that it's
hard for many people on this newsgroup to imagine there being only one
body of people on earth, but it is quite possible, and I am working to
make it happen.  However, what might be a smaller step towards unity,
would be taking the word "African" out of your denomination's name.  Then
perhaps someday a long time off, you can also remove the "Methodist
Episcopal" part also, and simply be part of "the Church".

There shall be one church, for the sake of unity, AND it shall be useful
in helping students new to America make the transition in culture,
language, and thought.  We shouldn't make a new denomination to try to
solve problems.  The whole denominational mindset only causes more
problems, sadly.

Thank you for the invitation.  That shows me that you indeed have the
heart to spread the gospel of Jesus as well as take part in your cultural
heritage.  Thank you also for responding to my post.  I know (all too well)
how they can be very time-consuming.

The whole idea of celebrating your culture is paved with good intentions,
but I still feel that you must restore and preserve unity at the same
time.  My own church, the Boston church, has the acapella singing that you
mentioned in your post, yet doesn't limit expression of my Mexican
culture, even though I am in the MIT Campus ministry and not the Spanish
(speaking) Zone.  I have made a commitment to God that I will go to the
Sunday services of my church, because I know that my brothers and sisters
here are fully devoted in love for God as his disciples.

I don't believe in tongues, as you may have already picked up on, because
of my understanding of Biblical Christianity.  However, I am certainly
willing to visit your congregation provided that it doesn't interfere with
my normal worship.  Since you also live in Cambridge, I also extend an
invitation to you to visit our services as often as you like.  You can
meet the MIT students at the Student Center (across from 77 Mass. Ave.) at
9AM on Sundays to leave for worship or simply call me after Wednesday
night to find out where the service will be held on a particular day.
My number is 225-7598, but will be 354-1357 in a few weeks from now and
for the rest of the summer.  Our service normally last from 10AM to noon,
but occasionally are later or earlier (1-3 times per year).

Definitely!

Let's also strive to grow in obedience to the Lord through being men and
women after God's own heart.


...

You can find cross reference to almost any IC or discrete semiconductor in
Philips ECG: Semiconductors Master Replacement Guide, ~$10. (Especially
industrial, commercial and entertainment, but not specialised or military.)


We are having a problem with a Quadra 950 that has stumped a couple of
techs sent to us by the vendor, as well as us :-)
This Quadra is 'stuffed' with 64Mb RAM, 2Mb VRAM and some large disk (400Mb
I think). What happens is that after a certain variable interval of time
the video circuitry 'loses' vertical sync. It is quite apparent that the
Mac CPU is still ok, and the problem really seems to lie with the video
circuitry, since you can still save your documents, quit your aplpications,
even pull down menus etc. (only the display is scrolling lik crazy, so it's
pretty hard to hit menu items ;-)
We had the original logic board replaced twice now, and the same problem
has been occurring on all boards although the inteval between occurrences has
varied. The first board had this problem every about 1hr, more often if the
cache was turned OFF (yes OFF).  This is the only symptom that is not
obviously related to the video circuitry (after all the cache is on the CPU
right?). The second board had the problem every about 10 minutes (we did
not keep it, rather we put the original back), the current board we have
has this problem a lot less often (has gone about a week without doing it,
but did it twice within an hour yesterday).
The technicians that have come out to try to figure it out seemed pretty
sharp and tried a number of sensible things (most of which we had
previously tried ourselves anyway). These included:
-swapping the RAM
-swapping the VRAM
-swapping monitors (3 different 13" Apple RGB and 2 16" Apple RGB)
-swapping cables
-disconnecting HD and booting from floppy
-sacrificing various small mammals
Here are some other facts:
-when we put a RasterOps ProColor 32 on the NuBus, the problem is fixed
 (it does not occur with the internal video or the ProColor video out)
-the vendor cannot reproduce the problem back in their shop on the boards
 that exhibit it in our lab
-Apple is said to be getting a little bit pissed off at shipping us boards
 that they cannot find anything wrong with, and getting them shipped back as
 faulty according to us.
Here are some speculations:
-I bet that neither Apple nor the vendor has tested these boards with that
 much RAM and VRAM on them simultaneaously, which may have something to do
 with their finding it hard to reproduce the problem (though we can
 reproduce it with just 4Mb of RAM, so this is probably a red herring).
-the vendor's representative blames 'metal in your walls' - claims that our
 walls have metal in them which interferes with the Mac's operation. We
 have another 950 in the lab which works like a charm (though it's not in
 the exact same spot....) Please don't tell me this is probably it, I do
 not want to believe it.
-it's probably not poltergeists, since they do not have badges to get past
 security at the entrance to our site.

Has anyone any ideas? Please? Please email as well as posting cause I seem
to be spending a lot of time rebooting my mac lately and have a lot less
time available to read news! :-)
Thank you in advance.
Carlo Tiana
NASA Ames Research Center
carlo@vision.arc.nasa.gov


Hello
	I have posted to this newsgroup once before and recieved a
moderately helpful response on a couple of issues. This I appreciated very
much . I would however like to know why it is that ther is simply NO
information out there on some subjects for the relativly novice graphics
programmer. The subjects are

	1) How do you access the extra video memory on a video board. I
know somwhere there aresome standard video bios calls that allow you to
dothis. I have 1meg of memory on my board and according to all the books
and info I have read I am only (at maximum) using 256k of it. There is a
way to do this in standard VGA cause I have seen vidoe paging (written in
assembly, which I don't know) written into apps hat use mode 13h. To get
any speed at all you have to do this. How do I do it?

	2) The vesa standard. What gives here. I have read most of what
the net has to offer on VESA and as far as coding for VESA goes most of
the advice is cryptic at best. Where do I get public domain info that will
tell me in "mostly plain" english how the vesa calls work.

	My biggest gripe is about number 1. I have bought graphics books,
I have asked graphics professors, I have hunted the net through both
gopher, and archie, I ahave asked apps programmers and it is like there is
some lock on this information. Graphics programming books tell alot of
programmiing algorithm information, but they always fall short of telling
you how to really control the video bios. What are all the calls folks, I
know there are people out there that know how to doall tis stuff. Where
are you, and why haven't you written a book yet?

Please help

Thanks in advance


Looks like Bob Errey's ring really sparkles in that locker room, and everyone
else wants one, too! :-)  Correct me if I'm wrong though, (just through
the net, not through e-mail, I don't need 100 rl's in my e-mail!) but wasn't
Boston down 2-0 vs. Buffalo last year?Boston lost 1 and 2 at home and won
3 and 4 in Buffalo.  Whoever wins game 3 will advance.  Simple as that!!! :-)


Can some on e give me some stats on Forsrg in the World Championships

If sao mail to ua256@freenet.victoria.bc.ca


I need help getting my ZX-11 (C3) to behave.  I've managed to get
the front suspension to be very happy, but the rear sucks.  I can't
do anything with it to make it feel ok.  The bike is very stable
through the corners (I think because I have the front just right),
but when the straights get bumpy the rear is torturous.  It feels
like it actually amplifies the bumps.  And the damping doesn't seem
to do anything in real-life, although you can tell the difference
when the bike isn't moving.  I've tried 4-5 cm of sag (from
completeley unloaded), but I don't know which way to go.  Has anyone
gotten the rear of this bike comfortable?  And if so, what kind of
settings (esp. what sag) did you use.  I like to corner, but I also
would like my kidneys to remain intact.  This thing makes the new
ZX-7 feel comfy....


STOP! STOP! STOP! STOP! This argument is getting silly! XV-3.00 now handles
24-bit images without quantizing them. All these arguments are moot, null,
and void. Please stop quibbling about a now obsolete version of the program.

Besides, you can now generate tons of verbiage about the new shareware
licensing it uses instead ...

Mike


I ran speedometer 3.21's tests (all of them) on my IIsi first with the 64k
cache enabled, then with the cache disabled.  I put both runs in this
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Let's go to the videotape.  Here's exactly what you posted:

So if you weren't saying that the deaths of "bastard children of a sacreligious
zealot" was no big thing (and I know I am not the only one who read it that
way), just what the hell WERE you saying?

So who brainwashed YOU into believing that whatever the government says it
the truth?  Or that Koresh was any actual threat to you and the rest of the
US?  Haven't you ever stopped to wonder WHY the government raided this farm?
This raid was NOT ABOUT RELIGION, SEX, OR CHILD ABUSE.  To the best available
evidence at the moment, this raid, psychological torture, and group death was
about Koresh's failure to PAY A $200 TAX on ONE grenade launcher that he may
or may not even have had!  That's why it was the BATF doing the raiding in the
first place.

Do you think a $200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government
with 100 armed men in trailers, orchestrated character assassination, noise
torture, and a holocaust?

Then think before you post.
--


Hello,

the subject line says it all: I'm looking for a TGA file viewer for the ATI
Ultra + card. It should support the true color modes, of course.

If someone knows where to find one via FTP, please let me know.

thanx


I vote for turning them off at night.  THe stress of off/on is a little
harmful, so don't turn it off, then back on an hour later, etc, but
turning them off for 4-5 hours or overnight is a good idea.

The electricy consumption will go down if you turn them off overnight, along
with heat.


Wouldn't you rather have some type of standard "electrical" plug instead of
that "fire hazard waiting to happen" adaptor? I know I would, and I would
also prefer to have sensibly placed cup holders instead of an ashtray. (my
car came with coin holders already built in)


Hi folks,

subject line says it all: which accelerators can you recommend for
a Mac LC II? Sorry, if this a FAQ.

cheers


There's a chiropractor who has a stand in the middle of a shopping
mall, offering free examinations.  Part of the process involves a
multiple-jointed sensor arm and a computer that says in a computer-
sounding voice "digitize left PSIS" "digitize right PSIS" "digitize
C7" "please stand with spine in neutral position".  I'm wondering
whether this doesn't really measure anything and the computer voice
is to impress the victims, or whether it is measuring something
that chiropractors think is useful to measure.
--
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet


I'm a season ticket holder and have a pair of S.F. Giants tickets available for
every game except opening day. They're located in lower reserved, section 3,
row 2. They're two rows (about 5 feet) behind the MVP lower box seats that
go for $17.25/apiece. I'm selling my tickets for $25/pair. Here's the
schedule for the next 8 weeks. E-mail me if you're interested.

Note - All times are Pacific Daylight Savings time

Apr 28    New York      7:35pm
Apr 29    New York      1:05pm
Apr 30    Montreal      7:35pm

May 1     Montreal      1:05pm
May 2     Montreal      1:05pm
May 4     Philadelphia  7:35pm
May 5     Philadelphia  1:05pm
May 7     Los Angeles   7:35pm
May 8     Los Angeles   1:05pm
May 9     Los Angeles   1:05pm
May 17    Houston       1:05pm
May 18    Houston       1:05pm
May 19    Houston       1:05pm
May 20    Cincinnati    1:05pm
May 21    Cincinnati    7:35pm
May 22    Cincinnati    1:05pm
May 23    Cincinnati    1:05pm

June 3    Pittsburgh    7:35pm
June 4    Pittsburgh    7:35pm
June 5    Pittsburgh    1:05pm
June 6    Pittsburgh    1:35pm
June 8    St. Louis     1:05pm
June 9    St. Louis     1:05pm
June 11   Chicago       7:35pm
June 12   Chicago       1:05pm
June 13   Chicago       1:05pm
June 21   San Diego     7:35pm
June 22   San Diego     7:35pm
June 23   San Diego     1:05pm
June 24   Colorado      1:05pm
June 25   Colorado      7:35pm
June 26   Colorado      1:05pm
June 27   Colorado      1:05pm


My sig has generated more mail than any of my posts.

Robin Hood is a school financing plan wherein property rich school districts
will have a portion of their tax revenue taken from them and given to property
poor districts.  The laudable plan is to equalize the per student spending.
IMHO, however, it is a disaster waiting to happen.  Taxes will go up in 50% of
the districts and we will lose control of how OUR tax money is spent.  It
penalizes districts that have excelled.

And the election is Saturday. Along with city council, school board and the
unfinished Senate term.  And after I exercise one right, I'm going to exercise
another!


Bear in mind that a lot of the Vandenberg launch traffic is military and
at least semi-secret.  They aren't interested in publicizing it beforehand.


You miss the point.  A lot more negotiation is needed to convince women
to have sex because there is a big taboo about women being free with
their sex.  Many of the women I know would do almost anything rather
than be known as a slag, slut or whore.

With men however there is *status* attached to being able to fuck
constantly.  And with gay men, where both partners can prove status
through their constant verility then you are going to get a situation
where there is a lot of sex.

The difference is between het sex being rationed as a valuable commodity
and gay sex being virtually unlimited due to the *appetites* of men.

Straights suffer a bottle neck where women are concerned, gay men who
do not experience this bottle neck go to excess.


+>Can people please stop the 'I think/know the BATF/FBI are completely
+>responsible but they'll cover it up so that the investigation will
+>show that Koresch is responsible' bs. In an investigation of this
+>size with the feds, state, and civilians involved in the
+>investigation it would be practially impossible to cover up.

	The place has burned to the ground.  The FBI and company
have the whole area cordoned off and have already arrested
reporters for being at the site and taking pictures.

	All your going to get in terms of a story is what the FBI, ATF
and the Texas Rangers decide to release.

+>And with Republicans like Arlen Spector calling for investigations,
+>this isn't going to be handled with kid gloves.

	When the Philadephia cops dropped their bomb on MOVE and
managed to burn down an entire neighborhood many people said
the same thing.  Dead men and rubble tell no tales that the
police dont want them to tell.


I'm certainly no engineer and really have no scientific basis
on which to make this argument, but don't you answer your own
question?  Is the reflected signal "shifted" at all from the
act of being reflected?  If so, wouldn't it then be easy for
the detector to discriminate between reflections and direct
sources?


# >Coca Cola company will want to paint the moon red and white.  (Well,
# >if not this moon, then a moon of Jupiter)...

This reminds me of the old Arthur C. Clarke story about the Coca Cola
ad stashed inside an experiment.


                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Agreed!  I own a Mercury Villager and I'm very impressed with the V6 and
the AT.  In the past, I've been biased towards manual/standard transmissions(I owned
an Aerostar with a 5-speed, it was awesome!), but settled with the AT in the
Villager and have been pleasantly surprised with it's performance.

BTW, Consumers Report in their report on the Villager, alluded to some
funny noises from the AT, I've been listening for them but haven't noticed anything
unusual.

-Chris

Christopher J. Born


Try another dealer.  Sometimes the sophistication of equipment etc is
better at one dealer than another.  You may also find another dealer
willing to help you with the problem.


I purchased 2x8 MB 72-pin (60 ns) SIMMs for my Quadra 800 from Chip
Merchant (I've been very satisfied with them in the past).  Either one
alone works, but both together fail.  I called Apple for advice and was
told that there was a problem with "Composite" SIMMs.  Only non-composite
SIMMs should be used with the Q-800.  Chip Merchant confirmed that they
presently sell only composite 72-pin SIMMs.  So, Q-800 SIMMs need to be
both 60 ns and non-composite.

Marty Sachs
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S108 Turner Hall            msachs@UIUCVMD [bitnet]
1102 S. Goodwin Ave.        (217) 244-0864 [phone]
Urbana, IL  61801           (217) 333-6064 [FAX]


Add Boston's WEEI-590AM as the Bruins' flagship station. You probably won't
pick it up anywhere outside of Boston since it's only a 5,000 watt
station. The Bruins also have network stations in all 6 New England
states.

This could be the Bruins' last year on 'EEI which also happens to be an
all-sports radio station. The problem is that the Bruins are not too happy
being moved over to a different station(WMEX 1150AM) whenever there
is a the same-night conflict with the NBA's Boston Celtics. This happened
28 times during the course of the regular season.(The Celtics own financially
troubled WEEI). The Bruins might resurface on WHDH 850 next year. Stay
tuned.


: Hi there,
:
: I'm german and I have been into this MLB stuff since almost one year now.
: There are many problems occuring for me. One of them is the ERA statistic for
: pitchers. What does it say ??

ERA indicates the average number of earned runs attributed to a pitcher per
nine inning game.  Thus, if a pitcher pitched 3 innings and gave up 1 earned
run, his 9 inning equivelent perfomance would be 3 earned runs, thus his ERA
is 3.00.  To compute the ERA you simply take the number of earned runs divided
by the innings pitched and then multiple the result by 9.

	ERA = (ER/IP) * 9

An earned run is run that is given up by the pitcher that is not attributed
to a fielding error.  More specifically, if an error occurs that represented
the third out, all runs scored after the error are considered UNEARNED runs.
Earned runs are also runs scored as a result of players who were left on base
when the pitcher exited the game.  Here are some examples:

	If there are two outs in an inning and there are men on base.  If
	an error occurs that represents the third out, all of the runs after
	this error and NOT counted as earned runs.

	If a pitcher issues some base on balls (walks), and leaves the game
	before the inning is completed, he is responsible for the people who
	were left on base.  If the those runners who were left on base score,
	and the score was not a result of an error, those eraned runs are
	attributed to the pitcher who left the game.

I hope this explains things for you.


Hey, can someone clue me in on these and other weird types of amplifiers?  Just
a brief intro to the concepts behind these would be cool.  I have the clues
on type A, B, and AB already and stuff, but these other ones are mentioned
occasionally and I dont know what they do.  I think type D is like a PWM scheme
or something.  Thanx in advanced.


Will there be no chance to get the Author of this _REALLY_ superb program
to remove the 'institutional' point in his license statement ?
Or at least to say 'except educational ones' at this ?

I understand that use of this software by either commercial or governmental
users should be result in a donation to its creator, but the everytime
rare on money universities, schools or whatever else institutions should
not be restricted.

If the situation stays as is and the Author explicitely states that
he treats universities and schools as institutions in this context,
i'll have to fallback to xv 2.21 here. Maybe our disk capacity will
soon be dead, when every user has a copy of xv-3.00 in his home dir...


Why don't you ask the approx. two million British Muslims who break
it five times a day and have never ever been prosecuted under it?

Then ask how easy it is to hold a Christian church service in Saudi
Arabia.


	I did.  Regularly.  And it was.

				Michael


Without quoting at length from the preceeding post, I'd just like
to say that I find it a much more appropriate way of dealing with
issues like the Holocaust and Bosnia that asserting that "God is
punishing them."

The activity of God is always _redemptive_, which means "restoring
what has been lost, broken, or distorted."  So, God does not _will_
the brokenness, lostness, distortion, genocide, poverty, etc, but
is nonetheless capable, willing, and active to restore, heal, mend,
and redeeem.


From whose point of view would you like to know what relativism concludes?
One of the people involved in the argument, or some third person observing
the arguers?


I'm wondering if "vandalize" is the proper word to use in this situation.  My
dictionary defines "vandalism" as "the willful or malicious destructuion of
public or private property, especially of anything beautiful or artisitc." I
would agree the sky is beautiful, but not that it is public or private property.

I personally prefer natural skies, far from city lights and sans aircraft.
However, there is also something to be said for being able to look up into the
sky and see a satellite.  Many people get a real kick out of it, especially if
they haven't seen one before.


Are there anyone who wants to sell used 386dx-33 motherboard?
If you have one please let me know the price and the specification

I am also interested in buying Trident VGA card  (1Meg)


I'm a Solaris 2.1 user with a classic workstation.

I have compiled xfig 2.1.7 version with -DOPENWIN flag to use it with
openwindows, but when i run it, the program runs and runs and runs (15 minutes)
and never is ready to work with it. The labels are not completed and i can't
push any button.

I have no problem if i does not run the openwindows but X.

Any solution?

Thanks in advance and excuse for my english.
--

-------------------------------
Pedro Antonio Acebes Bayon
E-mail: pacebes@cozuelos.tid.es


Does anyone know any sites/resources where I can find gadgets for the vuewm
window manager?  Such as types,actions,icons for the file manager and
event manager...etc....


I need to get some info. on cellular antennas.. who
are the biggest companies in this market now? how much
do their antenna cost? what are the specs on the antennas
(gain, directivity)...?  who is the contact person?

thank-you


*** On 04-21-93  04:54, Mark had the unmitigated gall to say this:

 Ma> Does anyone know what the standard port addresses are for COM ports 5
 Ma> through 8? (If there is a standard of any sort!)

There are no standards for PC COM ports above COM2.  While there are "de
facto" standards for COM 3-4, they are not guarenteed to work.  The PS/2 can
use up to 8 ports, I think, but I don't know the specs.  Good luck!

... I tried to contain myself, but I escaped.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


Do we attach some meaning of the Israelites entering "the promised land" to
Christianity?

   I submit God did not hold the children responsible when the adults chose
to follow the bad report of the 10 spies over Joshua and Caleb.  This is
recorded for us in Deuteronomy 1:39 "Moreover your little ones, which ye said
should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge
between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give
it, and they shall possess it."

   At least to me it seems there was/is an age, or point in maturity where
they were/are held responsible, and could not enter the "Promised Land",
younger ones were not held to the same "rules", at least not by God.


It's the DoD license plate frame; cops really like 'em.  Either that, or
he mistook you for one of his friends, possibly an off-duty cop.

-Dave

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	"I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle"

						- Arnold Schwarzenegger, T2


Tell *them* to stay home? :-) Sorry, terrible attempt at homour there.

Alternative? Hell, I don't know. But...its perfectly possible to have
objections to a particular policy while feeling that there is no
"alternative choice".


- They invented the "how to make money on others ideas".
- They made money.
- They weren't in the air at the wrong time...

Admit it BillG is a damn smart guy. How many out there can make money on
almost useless products...Useless even if you look at the time Dos were
written..it stinked already then..

If I could choose one marketing guy in the world, I think I would choose
him. He's so good that almost everyone hates him, but they still use his
stuff...

 ThomasEZ.

               ' I'm not perfect, but I'm perfect for you. '


Does anyone have a reference (something I can look up, not just your own
recollections -- I have a few of those myself) on the temperature of the
(night) sky as seen from space?

Note, I am *not* talking about the temperature of the Microwave Background
Radiation.  There are more things in the sky than just the MBR; what I'm
after is total blackbody temperature -- what a thermal radiator would see,
disregarding (or shielding against) the Sun and nearby large warm objects.
My dim recollection is that the net effective temperature is substantially
higher than that of the MBR, once you figure in things like stars and the
zodiacal light, but I'd like numbers.


the list as chartered is geared toward R100/R80 GS/PD/ST riders,
emphasizing the off road bikes, but there are numerous people on the
list with other BMW twins as well, as well as the usual contingent of
aspirants.  most all boxer talk is welcome.  the main list has about
50 subscribers; there is also a digest version which has about 10.  we
run about 10 to 12 messges to day, mostly technical with little
chatter and no flames.

subscriptions can be had via e-mail. in the text of a message, send
the command:

SUBSCRIBE

to bmw-gs-request@halfdome.sf.ca.us for the main list and
bmw-gs-digest-request@haldfome.sf.ca.us for the digest version.  your
"from" address will be used to determine where you will receive the
mail.

it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
needs.
--
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com


Sounds like you were going to a different Penn State or something.
Kampus Krusade for Khrist is very vocal here, but they really have
little power to get anything done.  Sometimes it seems like there
are a lot of them because they're generally more vocal than their
opposition, but there really aren't that many Krusaders.

The liberals tend to keep to themselves if they can help it, since
all they really want is to be allowed to go about their own lives
the way they want to.  ...so you don't hear from or about most of
them.  The bible-bangers stand out because they want everyone to
be forced to live according to bible-banger rules.

The Krusaders certainly don't run this place.

I'd say we've got a rather average mix. of people here....
much like the rest of the U.S.  And just like everywhere else,
some factions are louder than others.


Hello,

I'am almost ashame to ask this question. It really looks like a FAQ, but couldn't
find the answer. Anyway...

The original IBM-PC/XT 83 or 84 key keyboard is, in my opinion, still the best
keyboard around. Function keys on the right place (eh.. left place), firm click,
etc. Is there any chance to connect one of these to a modern 386 AT clone?

I do understand that the new AT keyboard has more functionality. I.e. the
typematic repeat rate is programmable etc. It seams to me that the pins &
electrical specs. of the old and the new keyboard are, however, the same.
Maybe the communication protocol is different?

Please answer by e-mail. Also if you can tell me that is absolutely impossible.
In that case, i will bring the keyboard the museum of obsolete technology.

Thanks,

Duco

--


A placebo is an accepted treatment at times.

Why should it?  Placebos are effective under certain circumstances.  That's
why they're used.

Actually, I don't know know anyone who has actually gotten a "sugar pill".
I don't know how it could be done, since prescription drugs are always
labeled, and it's easy enough to find out what's in a pill if you have the
name.

It's more common to prescribe a drug which is effective for something, just
not for what you have.  Antibiotics for viral infections are the most
common such placebo.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.  What do you think you're paying for?
You're not entitled to a prescription drug just because you pay for a
doctor's appointment.

--


If true, and if gays were the same as straights except
for sexual preference, I would imagine that gays would
have much less sex than straights because the available
pool for dates is less than one-tenth what it is for
straights.  Somebody correct (flame) me please!


   How much software is out there for the Mac?  I've been interested
in using microcontrollers in imbedded applications for a long time,
but was always under the impression that I would need an IBM to run
the debug/compile/etc software.
   I would like to use a 6811 or 6816.  I'm proficient in 6800 assembly,
but have never NEEDED it except some toying with old 6802EVBs.

   Motorola doesn't seem to have any information on Mac software (at
least their local distributor doesn't) and the ELE department around
here has been of little help as well.
   I hope someone can tell me that I don't have to buy an IBM to
work with the 6811 or 6816 Evaluation Boards...please send me mail!

   Andrew


Many spreadsheets do regression analysis.  The topic is also well covered
in most undergraduate statistic books.  Cubic Splines are usually well
covered in any undergraduate computer science numerical analysis text.
I am sure ge/mm has a well stocked library.

I have never used mathematica, but I would be surprised if it could not do a
spline.


: Yes, Duo prices have dropped.  I don't have the MSRP reductions,
: (though you can find it in a recent TidBITS, archived at sumex)
: but here's the Berkeley educational price list (old -> new)

: Duo 210 4/80        $1919 -> 1569
: Duo 230 4/80        $2225 -> 1961
: Duo 230 4/120       $2532 -> 2268
: Duo 230 4/120/modem $2746 -> 2473

And the Michigan State University pricing of the 210:

  SYSTEMS-POWERBOOK DUO PORTABLE

  M4161LL/A  MAC PowerBook Duo 210 - 4M RAM/80M HD                 1528.98

  *PROMOTION* Expires: 06/13/93

  B1304LL/A  MAC PB Duo 210 4/80 BUNDLE-w/Flpy Adpt & 1.4M Drive   1636.08


Proving once again that Brett has a major thinking problem...

Two groups that the government insure are the elderly and the "medically an
needy" (those who have impoverished themselves through spending for medical
care).  The typical elderly person spends 3.5 times what a person under age
65.  The typical medically needy person spends about 10 times what the
average person does.

You've got to adjust those data, Brett.


Not due to race.  Due to membership in an organization which
publically proclaimed it would destroy the state which expelled them
-- and furthermore kill a large segment of the citizens of that state,
based on race.


Gaetz won't be back. There's been rumors he was officially released right at
the end of the season when his contract expired, but I haven't seen
confirmation. It was clear from my talks with the Sharks doctors that he
wasn't going to make it for a while, and the Sharks would have to sign him
to a contract, which given his problems competing at the IHL level this
spring, doesn't make sense.


If you look at the bottom of this article you will see that I have very
kindly dug up one of Yigal Arens previous postings (entirely without his
permission, I hope he doesn't mind) containing translations from Ha'arezt
detailing just such a case. Perhaps you think that Ha'arezt lies? Would
you like to provide me with an assurance that this practise *never* occurs?

Right, Arabs have been voting in Israel for how long? And in all that time
NOT ONE Arab EVER gained enough of a personal following to get his fellow
party members to put in a Ministry? This is about as likely as sprouting
wings and flying to Rio. What basis do you have for explaining this odd
failure? You seem very confident that you are right, exactly how do you
know, why are you sure?

Exactly what basis do you have for saying this when the Labour party
has never put an Arab into a Cabinet post and insists its coalition
members do the same? Why and on what basis are you reassuring me in
the face of 50 years of discriminatory practise?

Hey what?? As I said even when their party puts them up they get knocked
back. It surely couldn't be because they are Arabs is it?

Well yes, but Security is the reason most often given by people who
want to make excuses. I merely thought it would crop up and so
pre-empted it.

Start of Article (All commets in [*....*] are mine not Dr. Arens)

[Comments in square brackets are mine - Yigal]

Racism in the Knesset
---------------------

Coalition requirements on one hand, and the presence of progressive MKs
from _Meretz_ in the coalition on the other, have compelled Rabin and
his friends to change, to some extent, their attitude towards the Arab
public and their representatives in the Knesset.  Although he did refuse
to view them as partners, taking part in the coalition and joining the
government, he did agree to meet with them and to give them a document
of intentions which included a commitment to "work towards a decrease in
the discrimination between Jewish and Arab citizens".  [Decrease WHAT?!?!
But posters have told us time and again that such discrimination does
not exist *at* *all*!  Is Rabin, too, a closet self-hater??? - Yigal].

However, racism has not disappeared.  When the Knesset sat to consider
who would staff its various committees, a request was made to put an MK
from Hadash [the Communist party, one of the "Arab" parties - Yigal] on
the State Comptroller's Committee.  And oh, did that ever stir up a
storm -- including in the ranks of Labor -- since many Knesset members
find it unthinkable that an Arab MK sit on one of the important house
committees.  "Security secrets" are liable to fall into their hands...

This attitude -- which until recently had not even aroused criticism,
being so natural and so deeply-embossed upon people's hearts -- holds
that there are Knesset members who, despite having been elected by tens
of thousands of votes, are not entitled to be full partners in the body
which represents the people of Israel.  We are not speaking here of
political discrimination -- which would be bad enough in itself -- but
of racial discrimination.  The proof: one of the compromises proposed
was that MK Mahamid [an Arab - Yigal] should be replaced by Tamar
Gojanski [a Jew - Yigal] from the same party.  It was not the member's
party which was considered unfit, but his race...

[* Here is a documented case in a respected Israeli newspaper. *]

It is worth noting that for the first time since the state's founding, a
public debate has arisen on this subject, as witness the following
article:

A TEST OF SELF-CONFIDENCE

By Gid'on Levi, Ha'aretz, July 26, 1992

Revelations of discrimination against Arabs have become such an integral
part of our daily routine that there is not much effort made to deal
with them.  [Do you hear that, -----?  Please contact this Levi fellow
and explain to him how little he knows about Israel.  Please! - Yigal].
Except that sometimes the demon bursts out from behind the government's
window dressing, and then the phenomenon is seven times more serious.

Last week provided two more such examples: the Israeli Knesset is
finding it very difficult to allow Arab representation on its more
important committees; and Israel Television is finding it no less
difficult to give a platform to Arabs from the territories.  Seemingly
two entirely different matters, but in fact they are one and the same.

The 13th Knesset proved last week that, even though one third of its
members are new faces, it has not renewed its own face at all, at least
on one issue.  Parliamentary traditions may be modernized and
parliamentary traditions may become obsolete, and only one tradition
endures forever: no Arab shall set foot in the more important committees
of the house.  There has never been and never will be an Arab MK on the
External Affairs and Defense Committee or on the Finance Committee.
Worlds have been overturned over the question of whether or not "to
give" Arabs, for the first time, a place on the State Comptroller's
Committee.

The arguments are old and well-known: In all three of the above
committees innumerable secrets are revealed -- and woe unto us if an
Arab should hear them.  One must not make light of such arguments, but
their significance should also not be exaggerated.  Every Arab MK is not
spending all his time waiting for the opportune moment to hand over
information from the Knesset committee room to Black Panther
headquarters in Jenin; and not all the aforementioned committees are
continually occupied in the discussion of top-secret matters, which
could safely be revealed, for example, to MKs supportive of the Jewish
Underground, but not to an Arab MK from the Likud, Labor, or even from
Hadash.

The Arabs themselves would probably forego membership in the Subcommittee
on Secret Service Matters, but what would happen, one may ask, if MK
Nawaf Masalha were to hear, God forbid, a review of the Foreign Minister
in an open meeting of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, or even
a review of the Army Chief of Staff which, in any case, are regularly
leaked to the next edition of the news.  And what would happen if MK
Hashem Mahamid were to report on what he had seen with his own eyes at
al-Najah?

Their non-participation [in important committees] and that of their
colleagues, creates an intolerable situation, where Arab members of the
elected house have only semi-positions.  They are good enough for
addressing plenary sessions, and for voting for or against the
government and participating in the deliberations of the Immigration and
Absorption Committee.  But they must not, for example, participate in
the process of formulating the state budget in the Finance Committee or
in the allocation of resources to local authorities.  In any case, they
have little part in that.

Labor's dependence on the support of the Arab parties has brought about
some improvement: MK Hashem Mahamid, will, it seems, participate in the
State Comptroller's Committee.  Earlier, there had been a ridiculous
attempt made to dictate to Hadash who their representative should be,
and thus to prevent the Arab from entering this dubious holy-of-holies,
but it soon became clear that there was no legal or constitutional
backing for such a step.

But not to worry: even now the Jewish mind is contriving devices.  The
new Committee Chair, Roni Milo, has already announced that he will set up
subcommittees aplenty for his committee.  Thus he will decide where it
is permissible for Mahamid to participate and where not.  A solution
such as this could, by the way, also have been adopted for the rest of
the committees, thereby completely eliminating the fear of state secrets
being leaked to the enemy and removing the stain of discrimination from
the Knesset.

[. . .]

End Article

Do you accept that as documentation?

Joseph Askew


I was at an Adobe seminar/conference/propaganda forum/whatever-you-want-to-
call-it a couple months ago where they announced that Display Postscript was
going to be included in the next release of Sun's OS, (presumably Solaris.)
Sun was going to drop their development of Newsprint, and, in return for this,
Adobe was going to port Illustrator and Photoshop to Sun.  Other than the
articles that appeared in the trade journals immediately after, I haven't
heard a peep about it.  I hope it's still in the works.


I can produce similar artifacts.

I am using a Centris 610 with an Apple 16" monitor.  I got the 8/230/CD
configuration, so there is on-board ethernet and 1 Megabyte of video ram.
The effect only occurs in 256 color and 256 grey modes.  Any vertical scrolling operation, whether with a scrollbar or, say, using vi and inserting lines,
will produce a scattering of horizontal flickering lines on the screen.
They do not persist -- each is visible for perhaps one refresh, and then
that part of the screen is back as usual.

They seem to always start at or about the 64th pixel from the left,
and are maybe 512 pixels wide.  This is certainly not preventing me from
using my Macintosh ;-), but it does seem to be a sign of something
perhaps grounded incorrectly in the video circuitry...

I went ahead and called the Apple Customer Assistance Center, at:
  1-800-776-2333, or 1-800-767-2775 (more direct?)

The person who answered was polite :-).  I also took the chance to complain
about my mouse button sticking, and about the mac hanging on boot after a
(hard - killed MacsBug) crash which left a CD in the drive.  (I had to play
with a paperclip for about 5 minutes to get thing to eject, after which the
mac booted fine.)


Could anyone please explain what Bit Planes are?  We have an SGI here at work
that says it has 64 Bit Planes - what does this mean?  How does this relate to
PC graphics?  What do they usually have?  Please reply via Email as most of
this group is over my head.

Thanks in advance!!!

Bob Gruen


HP 9872B 4 pen plotter.							$150
Fujistu M2451E 130 meg SCSI tape drive					$150
Sony 40 meg SCSI disk drive (sticks once in a while)			$50
Dead Maxtor XT4380E 338 meg ESDI drive					$100
Dead Miniscribe 20 meg SCSI drive					$10
Adaptac SCSI to ST-412 interface board					$20
Daughter boards from tape drives ?QIC-02 - QIC-36?			$20
Twist Terms (VT100 terms that the head twists on for 80x25 or 80x72) 	$150
14" Analog RGB color monitor (15.7 Khz works nice with amiga's)		$100
Spool with 90+ feet of 50 conductor ribbon cable			$75

All prices are or best offer.  Prices do not include UPS shipping.  All items
working except those stated as Dead.


Does anyone out there know how to add an additional internal hard-drive
to a mac IIsi. NOT to replace the already existing hardrive! I was
think of hooking to internal drive together or any other ways to add
internal harddrive beside replacement. I just don't wanadd an
external harddrive. I'm open to any suggestions..please response to
the address below. thanks


Hi, can anyone tell me what Microsoft BBS number is ? I tried the one
that is given on the DOS 6 upgrade manual but that number never
answered the call ...


Perhaphs what Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are now is the result of the
natural evolution of a "successful" hacker.  Either you make money, go
to jail (Lee Feldenstein [sp?]), or just fade away as "Oh, that's uncle
so-and-so who *really* likes computers...".

What a "computer hacker" is and does will change as long as the definition
of the word "computer" continues to change.


That is indeed the present consensus.  Contrary to what Dr. Fox has
been saying, however, present consensus is *not* that the longer
passage in Josephus about Jesus was inserted, but only that it was
modified.
   There is no question that it was *at least* modified (based on what
Origen says--that Josephus did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah), but
I don't think the argument that it appears "out of context" is a very
good one.  (I haven't looked at the context for a while; perhaps somebody
could give some of the sentences which precede and follow the Jesus
passage.)


Not sure of this but I think some millipedes cause a toxic reaction (sting?
So I would not assume that they are not dangerous merely on the basis of
vegetarianism, after all wasps are vegetarian too.
dnc.


It wasn't Jesus who changed the rules of the game (see quote above),
it was Paul.

Cheers,
Kent


Wait a minute.  If I read the rules right. A stike is ANY portion of the ball
over ANY portion of the plate.

Given that the ball is ~ 2.9 "" in diameter.  This sez that the zone width
is ~= 17 + (2 * 2.9)  or 22.8 "" . While this is still less than the 23 "
number given.  I can forgive any UMP for misjudging .2" on an object moving
at 85 to 100 miles per hour many times not in a straight line.

I think the Umpires Union has a great grasp of the rules!!!


Close, but there's a number 3 also:

3. have entered the game with no more than a 3 run lead and pitched
   at least one inning.

If a pitcher finishes a game which his team has won, does not get the win,
and satisfies at least one of the three requirements, he gets a save.

-Rusty
--


I have a PB 100 that I might be selling soon to upgrade to a Duo before
graduation, to take advantage of the educational discount.  To those who
have recently bought or sold a PB 100, what kind of price did you get?
Info on any config of PB100 appreciated.  Thanks.


	Greetings. There are 3 types of warnings on (US) tapes:

	1) A hologram is glued across the seam of the 2 halves of the
	   tape. The message usually reads, "If seal is broken, you must
	   buy this tape"

	2) The standard "MacroVision" warning, "Copies of this tape will
	   be unviewable"

	3) [your case] Extended message for the Average Consumer (tm) which
	   states that even attempting to copy the tape will destroy the
	   original. I don't believe you can sue them for misinformation
	   in cases like this :-)

	Take care.

	P.S. Of course, #3 is utter BS - but the Average Consumer (tm)
	     believes it. Heck, my mom once returned such a tape without
	     watching it... she was afraid that something might just
	     happen :-)


Hey!  What's this Hudson crap?
Actually, the only place my car has ever been broken into was in Hudson
at my in-laws (in their driveway).  Took my Vuarnets and some change.
Damn kids.

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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