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                      Volume 1 - Number 09 - 4/26/93

I.    Introduction
II.   Announcements
III.  News from the wires
IV.   Questions 'n' Answers
V.    Op-Ed Section
VI.   Jargon Index
VII.  How to Subscribe, Contribute and Get Back Issues

I. ***** INTRODUCTION *****

In this issue of the Newsletter, we learn of the CDC's announced concern for
the "resurgence of infectious diseases" in the United States.  Thanks to
Jonathan Lord for sending me the UPI release.  The CDC announced they would
feature a new series of articles in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly
Report on these infectious diseases (LD is one of them).  We will keep you
up to date on this series.

In addition, we feature a The Wall Street Journal article on the legal issues
surrounding LD.  We also look at Lyme's effects from the perspective of
urologists in an abstract entitled "Urinary Dysfunction in Lyme Disease."

Finally, Terry Morse asks an intriguing question about a tick's habitat.

-Marc.

II. ***** ANNOUNCEMENTS *****

SOURCE: The Lyme Disease Update
SUBJECT: Call for Articles

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III. ***** NEWS FROM THE WIRES ******

Sender: Jonathan Lord <jml4s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
Subject: RESURGENCE OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE CONCERNS CDC
Date: Thursday April 15, 1993

ATLANTA (UPI) --   A resurgence of infectious diseases blamed on newly
emerging viruses and bacteria pose a major challenge for the nation's
health care system, federal health officials said Thursday.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, reporting its latest
findings in an investigation of contaminated hamburger meat that
sickened hundreds in 4 states and killed at least four, said it will
put renewed emphasis on battling infectious diseases.

Part of that emphasis includes a new series titled "Emerging
Infectious Diseases" to be featured in the CDC's Morbidity & Mortality
Weekly Report, which has a wide circulation in the health community.
The issue also will top the agenda of a two-day meeting of scientific
counselors to update the CDC's draft plan for dealing with the growing
threat of infectious ailments.

"This is an issue that has been coming and we do have a responsibility
to deal with it," said Dr. Ruth Berkelman, deputy director of the CDC's
National Center for Infectious Diseases.

There were more cases of malaria in the U.S. in 1992 than in any year
since the 1960s, and Latin America is experiencing a cholera epidemic,
the first in this century, she said.

Resistance of disease-causing agents to antibiotics is also a problem.
"We are seeing much more antibiotic resistance than we have in the past"
Berkleman said.  She said even common ear infections frequently seen in
children are becoming resistant to antibiotic treatment.

"Despite predictions earlier this century that infectious  diseases
would soon be eliminated as a public health problem, infectious diseases
remain the major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness
and death in the United States," the CDC said.

It  cited  the  emergence since the 1970s of a "myriad" of newly
identified pathogens and syndromes, such as Escherichia coli O157:H7, a
deadly bacterial infection; the hepatitis C virus; HIV, the virus that
causes AIDS; Legionnaires disease; Lyme disease; and toxic shock syndrome.

"The incidences of many diseases widely presumed to be under control,
such as cholera, malaria and tuberculosis, have increased in many areas,"
the CDC said.  It said efforts at control and prevention have been
undermined by drug resistance.

=====*=====

SOURCE:  WALL STREET JOURNAL
REFERENCE: 04/15/93, pB1
HEADLINE: Lyme-Disease Ruling Raises Liability Issues

The tick that causes Lyme disease may have found a new way to cause
damage: legal liability.

A federal judge's decision holding a property owner liable for not
doing enough to protect workers from Lyme disease is getting as much
attention as the latest medical study on the disease, a flu-like
illness that can cause severe physical and mental disabilities and in
rare instances death. The decision last week has put property owners
on notice that they may have to do more than protect themselves from
the ticks-they also may have to protect themselves from litigation if
someone becomes infected while on the property.

The decision by U.S. District Judge Robert J. Ward in New York came
after a week-long trial in a case involving four track workers for the
Long Island Railroad. Judge Ward found that the workers contracted the
disease after they were bitten by ticks while on the job. He ordered
the New York state-owned commuter line to pay the workers more than
$560,000 to compensate for pain and suffering, in addition to medical
expenses and lost wages.

Summer camps, schools, companies with facilities in rural or
semirural areas, and homeowners who rent to vacationers are among the
groups that need to be worried about this ruling, says Stephen L.
Kass, an attorney at New York law firm Berle, Kass & Case, who wrote a
legal article three years ago warning property owners of the potential
liability. Even a family that invites friends over for a backyard
barbecue might be potentially liable.

Lawsuits for insect bites, while rare, aren't unheard-of. A summer
vacationer in Southampton, N.Y., last year sued the owner of the home
she rented, claiming that a tick on the property gave her Rocky
Mountain spotted fever. In 1988, also on Long Island, a jury ordered
an outdoor restaurant to pay more than $3 million to a patron who was
stung by a bee, causing an allergic reaction and permanent
quadriplegia. The judge later threw out the award, citing no evidence
that a beehive was near the restaurant.

But lawyers say that the attention to Lyme disease throughout the
country -- it's most prevalent in New England, the Middle Atlantic
states, Wisconsin, Minnesota and the Northwest -- may make this
particular insect bite a particularly litigious one.

The illness already has proved to be a source of controversy in the
courtroom over such issues as the type of medical care insurers will
cover and medical malpractice claims against doctors for not
diagnosing the disease.

Lawyers say worker's-compensation claims related to Lyme disease
have become common in some states in recent years. Payments in
worker's-compensation cases, however, are limited to medical costs and
lost earnings.

The case before Judge Ward dealt with a potentially much more
lucrative avenue for damages, because it involved the question of
negligence. Unlike the worker's compensation process, the law governing
injuries to rail workers allows for a finding of negligence and, as a
result, for additional payments for pain and suffering. Property
owners and lawyers say that negligence claims can be made in many
other situations where people are exposed to the ticks that carry the
disease.

Ira M. Maurer, a partner at New York law firm Elkind, Flynn &
Maurer, who represented the rail workers, says the decision will help
to establish "the duty of all sorts of property owners to protect
against Lyme disease."

Lawyers caution that despite Judge Ward's decision, winning a
lawsuit for damages caused by Lyme disease may prove difficult. For
one thing, victims have to demonstrate that they have pinned down when
and where they got the tick bite. Judge Ward found that the plaintiffs
in the railroad case got Lyme disease while working on property owned
by the railroad, even though none of the men remembered being bitten.
The workers, who weren't outdoorsmen likely to be exposed elsewhere to
the insects, said they saw ticks in the high grass that surrounded
some work sites.

A spokeswoman for the railroad says that there was no proof that
the four men were bitten while on the job and that the railroad is
considering an appeal. The railroad also disputes Judge Ward's finding
that it didn't do enough to protect employees. The spokeswoman says
the railroad provides track workers with insect repellent and special
pants to protect against bug bites.

Debate in the scientific community over Lyme disease could open up
some legal defenses for property owners, such as questioning whether a
victim actually has the disease rather than some other illness.
Earlier this week, the Journal of the American Medical Association
reported that doctors overly diagnose patients as having Lyme disease.
And damages awarded to a victim also might be influenced by medical
disputes over the degree of harm that Lyme disease causes.

Because of health and safety concerns, some groups and companies
already take special measures to protect against Lyme disease. Last
year, at its headquarters in Franklin Lakes, N.J., Becton, Dickinson &
Co. began using Damminix, a pesticide made by EcoHealth Inc. of Boston
that is designed to kill ticks carrying the disease. The medical-
supply company's headquarters include a 120-acre park, and the company
was worried that employees who walk on its trails for recreation might
get infected.

Ruth Lister, a spokeswoman for the American Camping Association in
Indianapolis, says that many youth camps accredited by her
organization also have begun to check children for ticks. And Carole
Katz, a member of the board of the Fire Island Pines Property Owners
Association, says her group spends $30,000 each year to treat their
100-acre site off the coast of New York with the tick-killing
pesticide.

=====*=====

TITLE: Urinary dysfunction in Lyme disease.
AUTHORS: Chancellor MB; McGinnis DE; Shenot PJ; Kiilholma P; Hirsch IH,
Department of Urology, Jefferson Medical College, Thomas Jefferson
University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
REFERENCE: J Urol 1993 Jan; 149 (1): 26-30

Lyme disease, which is caused by the spirochete Borrelia burgdorferi, is
associated with a variety of neurological sequelae.  We describe 7 patients
with neuro-borreliosis who also had lower urinary tract dysfunction.
Urodynamic evaluation revealed detrusor hyperreflexia in 5 patients and
detrusor areflexia in 2.  Detrusor external sphincter dyssynergia was not
noted on electromyography in any patient.  We observed that the urinary tract
may be involved in 2 respects in the course of Lyme  disease: 1) voiding
dysfunction may be part of neuro-borreliosis and 2) the spirochete may
directly invade the urinary tract.  In 1 patient bladder infection by the
Lyme spirochete was documented on biopsy.  Neurological and urological
symptoms in all patients were slow to resolve and convalescence was
protracted.  Relapses of active Lyme disease and residual neurological
deficits were common.  Urologists practicing in areas endemic for Lyme
disease need to be aware of B. burgdorferi infection in the differential
diagnosis of neurogenic bladder dysfunction.  Conservative bladder
management including clean intermittent catheterization guided by urodynamic
evaluation is recommended.

IV. ***** QUESTIONS 'N' ANSWERS *****

Note: If you have a response to this question, please forward it to the
editor.

Sender: Terry Morse <morset@ccmail.orst.edu>
Subject: Question on Lyme Vectors and Compost Piles

  When I visited my sister on Long Island, NY, I was cautioned to avoid the
compost heap in her back yard, as she thinks this is where she became
infected.

  A friend of mine here in Oregon who has a compost heap would like me to
back that claim up with documentation.  Do lyme-carrying ticks hang out in
compost heaps?
Thank you.

V. ***** OP-ED SECTION *****

This section is open to all subscribers who would like to express an opinion.

VI. ***** JARGON INDEX *****

Bb - Borrelia burgdorferi - The scientific name for the LD bacterium.
CDC - Centers for Disease Control - Federal agency in charge of tracking
      diseases and programs to prevent them.
CNS - Central Nervous System.
ELISA - Enzyme-linked Immunosorbent Assays - Common antibody test
EM - Erythema Migrans - The name of the "bull's eye" rash that appears in
     ~60% of the patients early in the infection.
IFA - Indirect Fluorescent Antibody - Common antibody test.
LD - Common abbreviation for Lyme Disease.
NIH - National Institutes of Health - Federal agency that conducts medical
      research and issues grants to research interests.
PCR - Polymerase Chain Reaction - A new test that detects the DNA sequence
      of the microbe in question.  Currently being tested for use in
      detecting LD, TB, and AIDS.
Spirochete - The LD bacterium.  It's given this name due to it's spiral
      shape.
Western Blot - A more precise antibody test.

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   |>>|>       Excerpts from "Insight" magazine, March 15, 1993

   |                       *Paranoia part deleted.*

   |  Isn't Insight magazine published by the Mooneys?

   I don't remember the article that you removed so I can't comment on it.
   What I can comment on though is your response.

   Do you really believe that what you wrote is sufficient to refute
   the article?  Do have any facts in addition to your opinion?

No one has time to chase down every rumor that gets printed
in the National Enquirer or whatever.  The point is to wait
and see if the assertions of the (rather bizarre) original
post will be corroborated in any way.  Perhaps they will.
The recent posts of the rather bizarre original poster speak
for themselves.


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 This is a pet peeve of mine. I wish companies would put power switches on the
 front of the equipment! If my Apple monitor had the switch on the front, I
 would happily power it off at night. Almost every piece of computer equipment
 I own/use has the switch on the back (including external hard drives and
 modems--why?). I hope front-mounted switches become the norm, and soon.

 Rich


I am looking for a  program to draw various kinds of diagrams on my Linux
system.

- It must be free.
- It must run on standard (monochrome) X with a small screen size (800x600)
  No motif/openlook etc.
- It must compile under Linux with gcc/g++. Most generic unix software
  works ok.
- It must produce postscript files that I can include into LaTeX documents
  with dvips. Or just tell me another free program that converts one
  of the supported formats to ps.
- It must produce drawings that are larger than the window size (scrollable).

I know of several such programs, idraw, xfig. tgif. I have
no experience with any of them. Features I would like in the programs are.

- ability to draw circles, arcs, straight lines, boxes and arrows.
- support for both dashed and solid line styles for all of these objects.
- support for texts in any size.
- ability to move/copy/resize/rotate any part of the drawing.
- ability to turn any part of the drawing into a library component
  (e.g. a transistor symbol composed of three lines, an arrow and a circle)
- any aid (numeric coordinates, screen grid) to align parts of the drawing.
- less essential, but in fact very handy: preservation of connection.
  If I move one part of the drawing, the lines that connect that part to the
  rest of the drawing, stay connected.

Ideally I want the tool so general and flexible that it is comfortable to
draw electronic schematics, flow charts, logic diagrams, data flow diagrams
and block diagrams with it.

I just want to know which of the programs offer which of the features on my
whishlist and are there any other programs? How demanding are the programs
with respect to disk space, memory and CPU usage? Are any of the programs
known to work on Linux with monochrome X?


The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 55
1 22640U 93 27  A 93120.24999999  .00044939  00000-0  12819-3 0   129
2 22640  28.4643 241.8868 0011265 284.7181 109.3644 15.91616537   580


[reply to timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons]

Which newsgroup have you been reading?  The few anti-Christian posts are
virtually all in response to some Christian posting some "YOU WILL ALL
BURN IN HELL" kind of drivel.

Bake, it is transparently obvious that you are a theist pretending to be
an atheist.  You probably think you are very clever, but we see this all
the time.

But of course *you* have dismissed them because you are an atheist,
right?

In other words, you *didn't* read the FAQ after all.


Sounds like more of the same.  Gods were used to describe almost
everything in the past.  As we come to understand the underpinnings of
more and more, the less we credit to a god.  Now, the not-so-well
understood elements (at least by the author) includes quarks and tectonic
drift.  I guess that's better than describing the perceived patterns of
stars in the sky as heroes being immortalized by the gods.

Kinda sounds like old-earth creation--It seems that life did, indeed, evolve
from a common ancestor.  What caused that initial common ancestor?

Are we going to hear another debate on causeless events? ;-)


The OTIS Project presents...

       SYNERGY: Revolt
	...the first in a continuing series of collaborative
	art initiatives designed to exploit the binarity
	of the infosphere.  This series of diversely
	structured art-manipulation projects will attempt
	to stretch across network boundries encouraging
	use of electronic mail, fax, video, photography,
	scanned "conventional" art and even sound to
	create multi-artist "still" visuals in GIF and
	JPG formats.  Visualists from all technical levels
	are welcome.

	REVOLT will be structured simply.  There will be
	three stages of production.  The first stage will
	consist of all participants creating one still
	work as a "starter" piece that two other partici-
	pants will, in turn, manipulate.  All first stage
	"base" images are due by Sunday, May 23rd, 1993,
	midnight Central Daylight Time.

	Stage two will begin on May 24th.  All images will
	be sent to another (arbitrarily chosen) participant
	for them to do manipulations on in anyway they see
	fit.  For purely digital artists, this may consist
	of filtering the image through their favorite paint
	program.  For "analog" artists, this may well be
	printing a hardcopy of the image and adding their
	own part with pen, pencil or white-out then scan-
	ning in the image again to be transferred on to
	the third-stage artist.  All second-stage works
	are due by midnight on Sunday, May 30th.

	Stage three is the finishing stage and will begin
	on May 31st.  All artists will do what they think
	it takes to finish up the image they've been given
	using whatever technique they see as worthy.
	These images will be due on June 6th, midnight.

	All involved will participate in each stage of
	creation.

	-----------------------------------------------------------
	To join, send email/mail with the following info:

	Name:
	email address:
	mail address:
	scanner access?  (color/grey/none)
	printer access?  (laser/postscript/inkjet/color/dot)
	computer access? (mac/ibm-pc/sun/amiga/atari/NeXT/other)
	output format?	 (tiff/targa/gif/jpeg/pict/postscript/fax
		         /photocopy/pcx/windows bitmap)
	graphics level?  (8bit/16bit/24bit/?)
	ftp access?
	time limitations?

	Address the information to:

	email: mad-celt@cwis.unomaha.edu (Andrew Booth, project manager)
	       (include "REVOLT" in the subject line)
	mail:  The OTIS Project
	       SYNERGY: Revolt
	       PO BX 241113
	       Omaha, NE 68124-1113

	---------------------------------------------------------
	Remember, all STARTER images are due on Sunday, May 23rd.
	Deposit them at either of these FTP sites:

	sunsite.unc.edu  (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS/Incoming)
	or
	141.214.4.135  (projects/otis/incoming)
		OR
	...send uuencoded images to us via email...
		OR
	...send hardcopies to address above...
		OR
	...arrange FAX exchange.

	If you don't get your STARTER image in, you won't be
	able to participate until SYNERGY Phase II (in mid-June).
	---------------------------------------------------------

	We will do our best to accomodate/facilitate image exchange
	for the "technologically impaired".  If you don't have
	access to a scanner, but need one, we'll try to help.
	If you need an image printed out and sent to you, let
	us know (send an SASE if you anticipate this).

	ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THE FOLLOWING:
	- suggestions for use of "uncommon" mediums
	  (such as video stills, electronic imaging and sound)
	- FAX availability times
	- "copyright" considerations (appropriation)
	- image conversion
	- the OTIS Project in general


Last year my nine year old son fell in love with baseball and now
likes to play and to follow the professionals.  I would like to buy
him a board game so he can catch a glimpse of and practise a little of
the managerial stragegy.  I am not looking for a computer game or any
type of game where manual dexterity determines the winner.  I am after
something that he and his friends can spread out over a table on a
rainy day and spend some thoughtful time over.

I would appreciate the names of any recommended games.  I don't follow
this newsgroup, so e-mail responses would be ideal.

                                                ....[MIchael]

--
MGODDARD@EHD.HWC.CA : Michael Goddard : (613) 954-0169 : Fax (613) 952-9798
B9, Environmental Health Centre, Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa, Canada,  K1A 0L2


this is true.

this has merit but is not entirely true.

this last statement is not true.  According to the CBO the United States
has a force of about 88,000 US Army personel in Europe, I do not know
if this includes a USMC division in Norway.  They have available
a little more than 500 USAF attack aircraft, including various models
of the F-111, A-10, F-19A/B,  and a few F-4s. {there are about 1,000
more of these available, SAFELY TUCKED AWAY AT HOME. At one time, the
US maintained 1500 MBTs {about half were M1A1} but some of these were
relocated to the Persian Gulf.  I know the US has at LEAST one
aircraft carrier battle group nearby and probably a marine assault
brigade.  Does anyone know if there are any B-52/B-1Bs in England?

The point is, although there are no US ground troops in Bosnia,
it is not true that that all the american forces are safely camped
outside of St. Louis.

I also understand that the administration is planning to position
troops in Macedonia.  Any reaction out there to this?

Question:  day before yesterday I heard that Serbia & Montenegro
had imposed additional trade sanctions against the Bosnian Serb Rebels.
This morning a NPR reported at a bridge on the Drina (sp?) verified
that only a bread truck was allowed to pass through to Bosnia.
A Serbian {who happened to be muslim}, stated that just a few months
ago no vehicle even slowed for the boarder station. Now everyone
is stopped and searched, many are turned back.  Of course all I
heard was a translators version, I do not speak Serbo-Croatian.

If this is a effort on the part of Serbia & Montenegro {for whatever reason}
to push the Boserbs into accepting the V-O, is this not a good thing?


 First of all I think when ESPN covers the game they do a wonderful job, but
 last night I felt the same way. I really hate watching Devils/Pens game.
 Everyone knows that Devils are going to get their ass kicked, why even
 bother showing them. I was so bored and these ESPN people don't seem to have
 any brain. After the Sundays and last night games, they are still going to
 show Devils/Pens on THU and SUN. WHat the hell are they thinking about? I
 think if they keep it up like this NHL will never get a major network contract.
 I'd rather see Caps/Isls game which is more exciting.

 Now I just hope all baseball games are rained out on ESPN so atleast
 we can get diffrent hockey games.


Yesterday I read an article from someone who was requesting references for
introductory texts on cryptography.  Although I marked the article to
return, it appears to have expired on this site.

Anyway, on one of the previous occasions when this subject arose I saved
a couple articles which made suggestions.  One of the articles contained
a quite impressive bibliography.  If the poster of the request (or anyone
else) would like to email me, I would be glad to send out copies of these
recommendations, including the bibliography.

David R. Conrad		"No his mind is not for rent/To any god or government"


Please take this system off my hands.  I no longer use it and it is
taking up valuable room.  They system consists of a Microcom PDOS Apple II+
clone with 64k on board and PDOS installed.  It comes with a load of boards,
including:  a disk drive board, 2 Z80 boards, a 16k board, an 80 column
board, a couple printer boards including the Grappler II+.  It has 2 1/2 height
drives and a cooling fan attachement.  The keyboard is of the extended
variety with builting keywords and a keypad.  All of it for $170.

Brett Maraldo
- Plexus Productions


Hi guys....

What happened?
	1.  Potvin didn't let six goals by.
	2.  Wendel and Andreychuk woke up.
	3.  Home ice and LOTS of yelling in the Gardens gave the Leafs
		the emotional edge.
	4.  Refs calls (especially last night) tended to favour Leafs.

	A couple of comments:

	1.  On Gilmour:  Just because the guy isn't one of the three
	stars doesn't mean he was not leading the team.  Someone posted
	the playoff point total and he's in something like fifth or sixth
	place....plus, he walked away with the Molson cup (given for
	accumulating points from the three star selection) during the
	regular season.

	2.  On the officiating:  I've heard gripes from both ends on this
	one.  Emotions are very high in this series;  the rivalry is
	one of the stronger ones I know of.  I do have to agree that the
	officiating last night was pro-Leaf in general (except for whoever
	missed that slash on Gilmour's hand).

	3.  In general:  I STILL think Detroit has one of the better
	chances vs. Pittsburgh (though I think the Leafs would do better
	against the Blues....but not as well if they made it out of the
	division). Problem is, I like both these teams, though I'm
	supporting the Leafs on the underdog principle.  D

	By the way...Gilmour tiring out is a lot like Bob Probert not
		playing aggressive hockey....
	By the way....I'm not any sort of expert, nor do I claim to be.
		I just like watching a good matchup.


Let me improve this one for you, then. For nearly one thousand years,
the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last
one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The
persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and
carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks
and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland.
After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks
and Kurds.

The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.

Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and
Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.

Today, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its
predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against
humanity.

x-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims
by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds.

Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands,
to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland.

...On this occasion, we once again reiterate the unquestioned
justice of the restitution of Turkish and Kurdish rights and...

- We demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its
responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render
reparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its
rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an
issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that
artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed.

- We believe the time has come to demand from the the United States
that it formally recognizes the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, adopts
the principles of our demands and refuses to accede to Armenian pressures
to the contrary.

- As taxpayers of the United States, we express our vehement
protest to the present U.S. Government policy of continued
coddling, protection and unqualified assistance towards x-Soviet
Armenia.

- Our territorial demands are strictly aimed at x-Soviet Armenia's.

Source: "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne" by Avetis Aharonian. The
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.

p. 52 (second paragraph).

"Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders
 of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged
 massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is
 intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents
 on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last
 few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative
 Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the
 destruction of 300 villages."

p. 54 (fifth paragraph).

"Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped
 and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I
 hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."

"...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who
 during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in
 the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are
 official charges of massacres."

Serdar Argic


        As far as I know, there is no FAQ for tpg.  Somebody was working
on one, but I think it "died in committee."


I read it when it first came out, and the controversy broke. Put my name
on the waiting list at the library (that way if the book was really
offensive, none of my money would find its way to the author or
publisher), and read it, "cover to cover" (to use a phrase that seems
popular here right now).

And I *liked* it. The writing style was a little hard to get used to, but
it was well worth the effort. Coming from a similar background (Rushdie
grew up in Bombay in a muslim family, and moved to England; I grew up in
New Delhi), it made a strong impression on me.  (And he used many of the
strange constructions of Indian English: the "yaar" at the end of a
sentence, "Butbutbut," the occasional hindi phrase, etc.)

At the time I still "sorta-kinda" thought of myself as a muslim, and I
couldn't see what the flap was all about. It seemed clear to me that this
was allegory.  It was clear that he described some local prostitutes who
took on the names and personae of Muhammed's wives, and had not (as my
grandfather thundered) implied that Muhammed's wives were prostitutes; in
short, every angry muslim that had read even part of the book seemed to
have missed the point completely.  (And I won't mention the fact that the
most militant of them had never even seen the book. Oops, I just did!)

Perhaps in a deep sense, the book is insulting to Islam, because it
exposes the silliness of revealed religion - why does an omnipotent deity
need an agent? She can come directly to me, can't she? How do we know that
Muhammed didn't just go out into the desert and smoke something? And how
do we know that the scribes he dictated the Quran to didn't screw up, or
put in their own little verses? And why can Muhammed marry more than four
women, when no other muslim is allowed to? (Although I think the biggest
insult to Islam is that the majority of its followers would want to
suppress a book, sight unseen, on the say-so of some "holy" guy. Not to
mention murder the author.)

I had much the same response when I tried to talk about the book. A really
silly argument - after all, how many of these same people have read "Mein
Kampf?" It just made me wonder - what are they afraid of? Why don't they
just read the book and decide for themselves?

Maybe the reaction of the muslim community to the book, and the absence of
protest from the "liberal" muslims to Khomeini's fatwa outrage, was the
final push I needed into atheism!

-s


	How about some citations or is this just impressionistic speculation
	on your part?

 For 30 years I've been laboring under the delusion that chain drives
	were more efficient that shaft drives.  Chain drives are also stronger.
	(Ever seen a successful shaftie dragster?  No.)

	No flames, please!  I've got both kinds of drives.


Not very -- you just type "xloadimage" or "getx11" instead of "xv".
--


	As Herny pointed out, you have to develop the thruster.
Also, while much lighter, you still have to lift the mass of
the thruster to orbit, and then the thruster lifts its own
weight into a higher orbit.  And you take up room in the payload
bay.


And you shouldn't, as the matches kill more kids.  So why are you bleating
about guns?

It may be tired, but it is true.

No, that's not right either.  People who have both easy access and the
desire to kill, kill people.  Considering that people who have the
desire to kill turn that into easy access ....  (Haven't you folks
learned anything from either Prohibition or the war on drugs?)

If you don't affect the desire, you're wasting your time, not to
mention the other costs incurred.

Good for them.  I note that the TM folks make the same argument.  If
you'll pay their expesnses ($21 million for a reasonable size city),
they promise to meditate away all crime, disease, etc.  At least
they're not promising to jail me if I don't go along with their little
plan - they're going to just sit in a room and fly, leaving me alone.

Ah, but we have evaluated gun control using before-after and it
doesn't work to reduce crime.  What is the point?  We can't claim that
it is symbolic, as people do get jailed.

No, they're essentially saying "we hope this will keep you from
noticing that we're not doing anything useful".  Pissing away
resources isn't "caring".

Nope, you'll merely be ignored, as Wright, Rossi, and Daly were after
finishing "Under the Gun".  They were supposed to prove that gun
control worked, so ....

So, who gassed them?  Given their previous experience with thugs who
threw grenades before yelling "we're from the govt and we're here to
help you", would a rational person think that the feds had their best
interests at heart?  Would you "know" that the gas was "non-lethal"?

-andy


FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGY
                       by Robert E. McElwaine, Physicist

               Ninety to a hundred years ago, everybody "knew" that a
          heavier-than-air machine could not possibly fly.  It would
          violate the "laws" of physics.  All of the "experts" and
          "authorities" said so.

               For example, Simon Newcomb declared in 1901:  "The
          demonstration that no possible combination of known
          substances, known forms of machinery and known forms of
          force, can be united in a practical machine by which man
          shall fly long distances through the air, seems to the writer
          as complete as it is possible for the demonstration of any
          physical fact to be."

               Fortunately, a few SMART people such as the Wright
          Brothers did NOT accept such pronouncements as the final
          word.  Now we take airplanes for granted, (except when they
          crash).

               Today, orthodox physicists and other "scientists" are
          saying similar things against several kinds of 'Free Energy'
          Technologies, using negative terms such as "pseudo-science"
          and "perpetual motion", and citing so-called "laws" which
          assert that "energy cannot be created or destroyed" ("1st law
          of thermodynamics") and "there is always a decrease in useful
          energy" ("2nd law of thermodynamics").  The physicists do not
          know how to do certain things, so they ARROGANTLY declare
          that those things cannot be done.  Such PRINCIPLES OF
          IMPOTENCE are COMMON in orthodox modern "science" and help to
          cover up INCONSISTENCIES and CONTRADICTIONS in orthodox
          modern theories.

               Free Energy Inventions are devices which can tap a
          seemingly UNLIMITED supply of energy from the universe, with-
          OUT burning any kind of fuel, making them the PERFECT
          SOLUTION to the world-wide energy crisis and its associated
          pollution, degradation, and depletion of the environment.

               Most Free Energy Devices probably do not create energy,
          but rather tap into EXISTING natural energy sources by
          various forms of induction.  UNLIKE solar or wind devices,
          they need little or no energy storage capacity, because they
          can tap as much energy as needed WHEN needed.  Solar energy
          has the DIS-advantage that the sun is often blocked by
          clouds, trees, buildings, or the earth itself, or is reduced
          by haze or smog or by thick atmosphere at low altitudes and
          high latitudes.  Likewise, wind speed is WIDELY VARIABLE and
          often non-existent.  Neither solar nor wind power are
          suitable to directly power cars and airplanes.  Properly
          designed Free Energy Devices do NOT have such limitations.

               For example, at least three U.S. patents (#3,811,058,
          #3,879,622, and #4,151,431) have so far been awarded for
          motors that run EXCLUSIVELY on permanent MAGNETS, seemingly
          tapping into energy circulating through the earth's magnetic
          field.  The first two require a feedback network in order to
          be self-running.  The third one, as described in detail in
          "Science & Mechanics" magazine, Spring 1980, ("Amazing
          Magnet-Powered Motor", by Jorma Hyypia, pages 45-48, 114-117,
          and front cover), requires critical sizes, shapes,
          orientations, and spacings of magnets, but NO feedback.  Such
          a motor could drive an electric generator or reversible
          heatpump in one's home, YEAR ROUND, FOR FREE.  [Complete
          descriptive copies of U.S. patents are $3.00 each from the
          U.S. Patent Office, 2021 Jefferson Davis Hwy., Arlington, VA
          22202; correct 7-digit patent number required.  Or try
          getting copies of BOTH the article AND the Patents via your
          local public or university library's inter-library loan
          dept..]

               A second type of free-energy device, such as the 'Gray
          Motor' (U.S. Patent #3,890,548), the 'Tesla Coil', and the
          motor of inventor Joseph Newman [see SCIENCE, 2-10-84, pages
          571-2.], taps ELECTRO-MAGNETIC energy by INDUCTION from
          'EARTH RESONANCE' (about 12 cycles per second plus
          harmonics).  They typically have a 'SPARK GAP' in the circuit
          which serves to SYNCHRONIZE the energy in the coils with the
          energy being tapped.  It is important that the total
          'inductance' and 'capacitance' of the Device combine to
          'RESONATE' at the same frequency as 'EARTH RESONANCE' in
          order to maximize the power output.  This output can also be
          increased by centering the SPARK GAP at the 'NEUTRAL CENTER'
          of a strong U-shaped permanent magnet.  In the case of a
          Tesla Coil, slipping a 'TOROID CHOKE COIL' around the
          secondary coil will enhance output power.  ["Earth Energy:
          Fuelless Propulsion & Power Systems", by John Bigelow, 1976,
          Health Research, P.O. Box 70, Mokelumne Hill, CA  95245.]

               During the 1930's, an Austrian civil engineer named
          Viktor Schauberger invented and partially developed an
          'IMPLOSION TURBINE' (German name, 'ZOKWENDLE'), after
          analyzing erosion, and lack of erosion, in differently shaped
          waterways, and developing sophisticated mathematical
          equations to explain it.  As described in the book "A
          Breakthrough to New Free-Energy Sources", by Dan A. Davidson,
          1977, water is pumped by an IMPELLER pump through a
          LOGARITHMIC-SPIRAL-shaped coil of tubing until it reaches a
          CRITICAL VELOCITY.  The water then IMPLODES, no longer
          touching the inside walls of the tubing, and drives the pump,
          which then converts the pump's motor into an ELECTRIC
          GENERATOR.  The device seems to be tapping energy from that
          of the earth's rotation, via the 'Coriolis effect', LIKE A
          TORNADO.  [ It can also NEUTRALIZE GRAVITY! ]

               A fourth type of Free Energy Device is the 'McClintock
          Air Motor' (U.S. Patent #2,982,261), which is a cross between
          a diesel engine (it has three cylinders with a compression
          ratio of 27 to 1) and a rotary engine (with solar and
          planetary gears).  It burns NO FUEL, but becomes self-running
          by driving its own air compressor.  This engine also
          generates a lot of heat, which could be used to heat
          buildings; and its very HIGH TORQUE makes it ideal for large
          trucks, preventing their slowing down when climbing hills.
          [David McClintock is also the REAL original Inventor of the
          automatic transmission, differential, and 4-wheel drive.]

               Crystals may someday be used to supply energy, as shown
          in the Star Trek shows, perhaps by inserting each one between
          metal capacitor plates and bombarding it with a beam of
          particles from a small radioactive source like that used in a
          common household smoke detector.

               One other energy source should be mentioned here,
          despite the fact that it does not fit the definition of Free
          Energy.  A Bulgarian-born American Physicist named Joseph
          Maglich has invented and partially developed an atomic FUSION
          reactor which he calls 'Migma', which uses NON-radioactive
          deuterium as a fuel [available in nearly UNLIMITED quantities
          from sea water], does NOT produce radioactive waste, can be
          converted DIRECTLY into electricity (with-OUT energy-wasting
          steam turbines), and can be constructed small enough to power
          a house or large enough to power a city.  And UNLIKE the
          "Tokamaks" and laser fusion MONSTROSITIES that we read about,
          Migma WORKS, already producing at least three watts of power
          for every watt put in.  ["New Times" (U.S. version), 6-26-78,
          pages 32-40.]

               And then there are the 'cold fusion' experiments that
          have been in the news lately, originally conducted by
          University of Utah researchers B. Stanley Pons and Martin
          Fleischmann.  Some U.S. Navy researchers at the China Lake
          Naval Weapons Center in California, under the direction of
          chemist Melvin Miles, finally took the trouble to collect the
          bubbles coming from such an apparatus, had them analyzed with
          mass-spectrometry techniques, and found HELIUM 4, which
          PROVES that atomic FUSION did indeed take place, and enough
          of it to explain the excess heat generated.

               There are GOOD INDICATIONS that the two so-called "laws"
          of thermodynamics are NOT so "absolute".  For example, the
          late Physicist Dewey B. Larson developed a comprehensive
          GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, which he
          calls the 'Reciprocal System', (which he describes in detail
          in several books such as "Nothing But Motion" (1979) and "The
          Universe of Motion" (1984)), in which the physical universe
          has TWO DISTINCT HALVES, the material half and an anti-matter
          half, with a CONTINUOUS CYCLE of matter and energy passing
          between them, with-OUT the "heat death" predicted by
          thermodynamic "laws".  His Theory explains the universe MUCH
          BETTER than modern orthodox theories, including phenomena
          that orthodox physicists and astronomers are still scratching
          their heads about, and is SELF-CONSISTENT in every way.  Some
          Free Energy Devices might be tapping into that energy flow,
          seemingly converting "low-quality energy" into "high-quality
          energy".

               Also, certain religious organizations such as 'Sant Mat'
          and 'Eckankar' teach their Members that the physical universe
          is only the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN major levels of
          existence, like parallel universes, or analogous to TV
          channels, as described in books like "The Path of the
          Masters", by Dr. Julian Johnson, 1939, and "Eckankar: The Key
          to Secret Worlds", by Sri Paul Twitchell, 1969.  For example,
          the next level up from the physical universe is commonly
          called the 'Astral Plane'.  Long-time Members of these groups
          have learned to 'Soul Travel' into these higher worlds and
          report on conditions there.  It seems plausible that energy
          could flow down from these higher levels into the physical
          universe, or be created at the boundary between them, given
          the right configuration of matter to channel it.  This is
          supported by many successful laboratory-controlled
          experiments in PSYCHO-KINESIS throughout the world, such as
          those described in the book "Psychic Discoveries Behind the
          Iron Curtain".

               In terms of economics, the market has FAILED.  Inventors
          do not have enough money and other resources to fully develop
          and mass-produce Free Energy Equipment, and the conventional
          energy producer$ have no desire to do so because of their
          VE$TED INTERE$T$.  The government is needed to intervene.  If
          the government does not intervene, then the total supply of
          energy resources from the earth will continue to decline and
          will soon run out, prices for energy will increase, and
          pollution and its harmful effects (including the 'GREENHOUSE
          EFFECT', acid rain, smog, radioactive contamination, oil
          spills, rape of the land by strip mining, etc.) will continue
          to increase.

               The government should SUBSIDIZE research and development
          of Free Energy by Inventors and universities, subsidize
          private production (until the producers can make it on their
          own), and subsidize consumption by low-income consumers of
          Free Energy Hardware.

               The long-range effects of such government intervention
          would be wide-spread and profound.  The quantity of energy
          demanded from conventional energy producer$ (coal mining
          companie$, oil companie$ and countries, electric utilitie$,
          etc.) would drop to near zero, forcing their employees to
          seek work elsewhere.  Energy resources (coal, uranium, oil,
          and gas) would be left in the ground.  Prices for
          conventional energy supplies would also drop to near zero,
          while the price of Free Energy Equipment would start out high
          but drop as supply increases (as happened with VCR's,
          personal computers, etc.).  Costs of producing products that
          require large quantities of energy to produce would decrease,
          along with their prices to consumers.  Consumers would be
          able to realize the "opportunity costs" of paying electric
          utility bills or buying home heating fuel.  Tourism would
          benefit and increase because travelers would not have to
          spend their money for gasoline for their cars.  Government
          tax revenue from gasoline and other fuels would have to be
          obtained in some other way.  AND ENERGY COULD NO LONGER BE
          USED AS A MOTIVE OR EXCUSE FOR MAKING WAR.

               Many conventional energy producer$ would go out of
          business, but society as a whole, and the earth's environment
          and ecosystems, would benefit greatly.  It is the People,
          that government should serve, rather than the big
          corporation$ and bank$.

               For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
          please consult my CITED SOURCES (patents, articles, books).

               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


[well, actually, he didn't, but we'll pretend the real author of this
query has his name tacked in here....:-)]

while it's being mentioned, i personally prefer the moonroof/sunroof/t-top/
targa thing as well.  I simply don't like cloth tops, nor the extra insurance,
nor the S**** color matching alot of companies do.  If i chose a convertible,
it'd be:

a) Mazda RX7 II.  I just like the way they look.  It'd have to be in black,
with color matched black top(they look good!)

b) VW cabriolet.  They do a suberb job of matching colors too.  Also, last year
for them!  {***COLLECTOR'S ITEM****}

c) mustang GT droptop...they look ok too.

i know this doesn't help, but i thought i'd do it anyway...:-)

good luck to your wife.(and you :-)


hi, is there anybody has some example programs about using
 the internationalization features in X11R5 ? Such as a small
 X program just to show Chinese texts in wondows, menu bar or
 icons... Thanks in advance.


Probably won't help.  I'd be willing to bet that _every_ manufacturer
used those little self-contained modules.  I think Sharp made them.
Radio Shack used to sell them for a few bucks (maybe they still do.)

The module had 3 leads:  power, ground and demodulated output.  It
contained the photo-detector, amplifier, integrator and demodulator
all in a tiny metal can.

If you want to buy one, try Radio Shack, or else a TV repair shop can
probably order one.  BTW - the carrier frequency is 40 KHz, and each
different TV/VCR/cable box/stereo manufacturer uses a unique pulse
scheme to perform each different function on their equipment.


Hello!

I need a technique for separation of polymorphonuclear neutrophils (PMN)
from the peripheral blood of mice. Because of the low PMN:Lymphocyte ratio
(approx. 20:80) it«s not just as easy as the corresponding technique used
with human blood.

																																										Yours,

                            													 Per-Arne Melander


If you think that kind of uncalled for blanket statement will
cause censorship at Mr. Jefferson's university you are wrong.


A few weeks ago I posted about the Phillies team personalities.  Did anyone see the ESPN feature on the Phils on Monday Night.  John Kruk had a great line.  He was talking about people on the team always playing and not sitting out because of a minor injury.  He said if they do they know we'll kick their ass.  The
time I saw in was in the afternoon and it was not bleeped.  When I saw it at
they bleeped "ass."  Mitch Williams talked about the team being a bunch of
throwaways from other teams, and that is why they are so close.  Kruk said that
they all get along this year.  Last year, he said, they hated the pitchers.  I
assume he was joking, but he always keeps a straight face when he talks.  Oh,
What a team!!!!!

Rob Koffler


Hmmm... how about a piece of copper wire?  0 to 5V input range, standard
TTL output, instantaneous conversion time!

[ (-:  for the humor impaired ]


Due to some problems with my IDE drive, I LL formatted the Maxitor7213AT.
Now it started to give me some errors in some applications. I was told
Maxitor has a utility called IDE_INT in their BBS, anyone tried it? Can
some one tell me what that BBS number is? Or better, can I find the file
in some ftp site? Or perhaps someone can email it to me? Thanks.

Feng


... Wayne McGuire?  Did someone prove he's anon15031@anon.penet.fi,
and he ran off to restock on PCP?


Hey all,

I'm looking at buying a new car, but I'm confused about the insurance
coverage.  This also applies to my existing car insurance policy.  Does
anyone understand what the "Limited Tort Option" means.  Will it lower
my rates if I opt to have it, or will it be more expensive if I opt
to have it?  What does it do for me (in layman's terms please)?  Is
it a good deal or should I ignore it?  I'm not the type to sue anyone
at a drop of the hat nor am I the type to report every little ding to
the insurance company as a vandalism claim.  Please help.

Thanks in advance.


Hello!

I have a SE/30 and a Generation Systems 8bit PDS card for a 17"
screen.
It worked great until I upgraded from 5 to 20 mb ram.
Now with Sys7.1 and MODE32 or 32enabler it does not boot..

a tech support person said the card does not support these 32bit
fixes.

BUT: when pressing the shift key while booting (when the ext. monitor
goes black after having been grey) the system  SOMETIMES boots properly!!
and then works ok with the 20mb and full graphics.

WHAT's HAPPENING???

Thanks a lot for any advice!!!
please answer by mail.

Ossip Kaehr
ossip@cs.tu-berlin.de
voice: +49.30.6226317
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I am getting desperate. I have a report that must be finished by midnight,
and W4W doesn't seem to have what appears to be a MUST! I use the autonum
field for numbering chapters, but my document is distributed amongst
several files. I just can't find a way to make Word start the numbering
at something else than 0 or 1. Of course, everything is fine in the first
file, but it's pretty stupid when ALL chapters are numbered as 1 !!!!!!!!

Please, if you have ANY solution to this (except from putting it all in
one 10M document ...) e-mail me immediately !
As I am working on th report I hardly have any time to read News, so
please e-mail me. All answers will be heartly welcome ...

In advance, thanx a lot !!!!!!


	As I don't know this book, I will use your heresay.

	It depends on how he defines God. The way I understand the meaning
of that term preclues it being used in a useful way in science. Ideas drawn
from an understanding that God is supernatural precludes us from forming
scientific assertions that can be falsified, that is, where we can decide
that they are true or false within the terms of we use and useful observations
drawn from them.

	Some religionists have an interest in bluring the definitions within
science to make them more reconcilable, and especially subserviant in a basic
way, to religious dogma. This pursuit always fails.

	Reconciliation of science with religion involves circumventing the
tendancy to claim that either pursuit can gain absolute or certian knowledge,
or that the domain of truth in each is fundementally limited in some way. It
gererally confurs the element of uncertainty and limitations to human knowledge
while allowing for the different concerns of these separate pursuits. Science
and religion ask different questions which have imperfect and provisional
answers, at best. Science is distinctly limited in where it can ask meaningful
questions. More questions can be posed than it can answer. At the basis of
sacred language is the place where words fail us and mere assertions disolve
in contradiction.


	The Jets gave the Canucks another run for their money in an almost
identical game to the first of the series but once again came up short as
Vancouver outscored Winnipeg 3-2.
	The pattern of the first game was repeated tonight, with the Canucks
scoring quickly and then going to sleep in the second period, only to stave
off a Jet comeback with opportune goals from their greater talent. The Jets
looked more dangerous in this one but it didn't make a difference in the
numbers that counted: goals.
	Vancouver's big line produced again, with centre Cliff Ronning and
left winger Geoff Courtnall scoring in the first and in the second to
boost the Canucks to a 2-0 lead on giveaways by the suspect Jet defence of
Bautin and Ulanov. Mental lapses by the defence and goal-scoring talent
in opportune areas made the difference in all three Canuck goals.
	However, as in the first game, the Jets worked hard to take the
game to the Canucks in the second period. The Jets dominated the second,
checking hard and penetrating the Vancouver zone without being challenged
by a Canuck team that wanted to pack it in early.
	The hard work paid off late in the second, when Tie Domi caught
Vancouver goalie Kirk McLean by surprise with a sharp angle shot to make
the score 2-1.
	Domi's goal gave the Jets new life as they began to take the rush
to the Canuck's collapsing defence. The Canucks were unwilling to do
anything but let McLean take shots and clear the rebounds. The Jets were
allowed to set up and make plays.
	Both goalies made standup saves as the play picked up considerably.
McLean made three great saves in the second off a dancing Teammu Selanne
while Essensa was rocked by a Pavel Bure drive. Selanne looked dangerous
on the rush as the Jets pressed a series of attacks into the Canuck
zone. The Canucks, on the other hand, looked like they were offering four
checking lines in an effort to preserve their slim lead.
	A series of minor penalties at the end of the second period
resulted in a one man advantage for the Jets in the early third. The
Jet's Tempo Numminen drove a puck from the point through McLean's
legs and into the net to tie the game at 2-2.
	The Canuck's discordant play picked up where it left off.
This was characterized by long lead passes that either never connected
or were picked off by the Jets and individual rushes into a tight
Winnipeg defence that were never supported.
	However, as in the first and second Canuck goals, a Jet defensive
lapse (re: bonehead play) stalled the Winnipeg comeback. With the faceoff
in the Winnipeg zone, Pavel Bure was left to stand in the crease with
no Jet defender anywhere near him. Bure, who had been invisible in the
game up to that point, took a rebound and managed to roof it with a
backhand even though he was off balance.
	By then it was too late for the Jets to come back. Essensa made it
to the bench with one minute to go but the extra attacker did nothing
for their attack. Canucks 3, Winnipeg 2.
	Next game is Friday at Winnipeg with the Jets in the hole by two games.
- 30 -


I had the same inconvenience when I bought my EX-500; only I could at least
go 50 mph during the initial break-in.

Despite the high quality of motor oils and motorcycle engines these days,
I would follow the instructions, and just keep to city street riding for
the first 500 miles. Heck, those miles go by fast, and it's worth it to
know you haven't possibly screwed up your engine.

At the same time, this has all the makings of a 6-week-long thread debating
the whole break-in topic.


Or perhaps even weird?

Hmmm, you might want to read this group more carefully; there's been a good
amount of discussion of the proposed Pluto Fast Flyby (PFF) mission that is
specifically designed to be small and cheap.


Dear netters:

I have been scanning this news group for a while but has not found a FAQ.
Could someone enlight me where to find the FAQ if there is a one. Also,
could someone recommend a few good books about encription and decription,
about patent information, goverment regulation on this science/technology.
I will appreciate any of your help very much.

Sincerely


-=> Quoting The Logistician to All <=-

 TL> I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL.  I know now
 TL> only of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins.  Any help would be greatly
 TL> appreciated.
 TL> Thanx.

      Hi there Logistician, is not Paul Coffey wearing
      # 77 for the Detroit Red Wings?
      That is the only other one (besides Borque) that I can think of
      hope it helps.

      Steve


That's not all it says.  The coverage of modifiers is in Chapter 8
of Volume Four (or chap 7 in older Athena editions), where there is about
10 pages on how to specify translations to capture
various combinations of keys or buttons.

The Xlib route uses XLookupString and there is a lot of coverage
of how that works in Volume One,  chapter 9.  You should read this
to understand how all the mappings work before trying to do anything
complicated.


This isn't at all too high of a price.  Keep in mind that you get *8* meg of
ram, a *local bus* IDE *and* SVGA card,  a *250* mb hd, and a *15"*
monitor.  The local bus IDE and SVGA really kick butt in Windows.  I have
used a couple of machines with VLB in the past, and all I can do is praise
Gateway.


Word is that the ones he let go were not his.
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My original post was:

This article will just scratch the surface of a few security
considerations, comments are requested. (email: fw@world.std.com)
My thanks to the people who responded, both on usenet and from
Oracle Corp.

The most common response was to suggest use of oracle audit
features or OPS$ passwords to control access (opinion on OPS$
included suggestions to use and not use). I was also advised to
use table views to refine the granularity of access control.

One important security consideration in networked installations
is that OPS$ accounts presume that the client host provides user
authentication. Os/2 server OPS$ users are only as secure as the
_least_ secure machine on the network. Hence you should probably
not define any OPS$ accounts on systems with PC's, or limit access
of OPS$ accounts to data with no security concerns. Unix oracle
servers provide for disabling OPS$ access over the network (orasrv
option), while relying on host security for local processes.

Internally Oracle provides powerful and well documented (sic)
audit mechanisms which the DBA will use to monitor system and
data access. These tools can be used to track the primary security
risks from within the Oracle environment.

Oracle password security is based on a proprietary usage of DES
encryption. Oracle Corp. states that the algorithm is not prone
to cleartext attack. This is a difficult claim to substantiate
since the algorithm is unknown. The concern here is that if users
choose easily guessed passwords. _If_ a cracker can gain access
to your oracle database files through the host operating system,
s/he could extract the 'cyphertext' password data and apply
cryptanalysis techniques to learn the users passwords.

As security risks go, the above scenario is pretty low severity.
Certainly once an intruder has access to the raw database files,
s/he can access to the data in them. If a cracker _could_ break
the passwords, however, s/he could do substantial damage without
alerting the auditing mechanism's, and leaving and audit trail
which would point to valid users. At present Oracle (like Unix)
provides no native means of ensuring that passwords are not
guessable.

As with all computer security, the most important defense is to
educate users in the safe choice of passwords. These techniques
are well discussed in internet rfc#1281 and the Crack manual,
(both available from ftp archive servers) and, UNIX(R) System
Security (Curry, David A. - Addison-Welsey 1992)


How can you tell for sure? Three days haven't passed yet.

--
Steve Bittrolff


My opinion(for what it's worth) is that 40 x-rays is *way* too many.
Guidleines have been set on the number of dental x-rays and chest x-rays
that one should have over a given period of time because of all the
environmental factors that can cause cancer in humans, ionizing radiation
is one of the most potent(splits DNA and causes hydroxyl free radical
formation in tissue cells).  Ultasound(like that used in seeing the fetus
in the uterus) has been shown to be extremely good at picking up tumors
in the prostate and gallstones in the gallbladder.  But kidney tissue may
be too dense for ultrasound to work for kidney stones(any radiologists care
to comment?).

Most stones will pass(but it's a very painful process).  Unlike gallstones,
I don't think that there are many drugs that can help "dissolve" the
kidney stone(which is probably calcium-oxalate).  Vitamin C and magnesium
have worked in rabbits to remove calcium from calcified plaques in the
aterial wall.  I have no idea if a diet change or supplementation could
speed up the process of kidney stone passage(but I'm pretty confident that
a diet change and/or supplementation can prevent a reoccurance).  If surgery
is being contemplated, the stone must be in the kidney tubule.  A second
opinion is a good idea because there are better(less damaging) ways to break
up the stone if it's logged within the kidney(sonic blasts).  HMO's are
notorious for conservative care and long waits for expensvie treatments.
My condolences to your friend.


Counterpoint  SA-12

85watts per channel
very very warm tube sound, great for warming up CDs
Excellent shape


The GS300 and SC300 have an inline 6.

Inline 4 is correct.


Hi peeps,

Here's another of those "any ideas" type queries.

I've been given an oldish Phillips TeleVideo terminal type thingy, without
a keyboard.  But no problem so far.

When I dismantled it, I discovered that it is really just a standard
RGB monitor with built in modem/ROM software etc.

Phillips kindly labelled the circuit board with the RGB inputs, so I
connected it up as a monitor and he presto it worked - sort of.

The problem is that I have no idea where to connect the Sync lines.
The display rolls continuously, but does change modes (OK only to
CGA - but useful for my laptop).

Any of you wonderful people any knowledge of Phillips monitors?

I've tried Phillips in the UK and a very helpful guy told me that
he has had several enquiries of this sort, but Phillips Computer
is now under the auspices of DEC (at least in the UK).  DEC said
sorry Phillips don't make it any more. What is it anyway?
A UK support dealer said "Circuit diagrams? Sync?"

So any ideas.

John.


A similar reason is why people at work, used to seeing SCO unix running
on a 486, are suprised when they see my Sun-3 at home running faster w/a 16MHz
68020/68881.  The Sun was designed from the ground up for UNIX, the PC
wasn't.

This is why you need a gargantuan processor to run Windows.  The basic
design of the box is all wrong. (Would've been better if MS had put most
of Windows on a plug-in ROM card from day one. (priced at $24.95 or
so...) People woulda loved it.

Apple had the right idea, just stumbled a bit in the execution.

-Pete


I think you can get that at most head shops.  I'm not kidding... although
it seems more appropriate for them to be selling Simple Green.


Hi:

I am looking for tires.  I would like to hear your experience on the
BF Goodrich Radial T/A tires and/or the Touring T/A especially for
size P185/70R13.

For Radial T/A: How do they do in SNOW, and WET weather?  Are they quiet tires?

For Touring T/A: How many miles can they last?  I believe they are in
                 every way equal/better than Radial T/A.  Am I right?


# |# # Can someone tell me why when Mr. Cramer spouts on about homosexuals,
# |# # he only addresses homosexual men, and never, in any post I've read,
# |# # addressed lesbians?
# |#
# |# I can't really speak for Mr. Cramer here, but I can say that a
# |# homosexual [male] is an entirely different animal than a lesbian.
# |# There is virtually nothing that is analogous or related between the
# |# aberrant behaviors practiced by these two groups of deviants.
#
# Obviously.  A homosexual male is of the XY chromosome pair and the lesbian
# is of XX.  Besides, what does that have to do with the price of eggs?  Since
# Mr Cramer is _very_ straight, he most probably gets off to the thought of
# lesbians, like the majority of adolescent males.
#
# |#   The views expressed herein are   |  Theodore A. Kaldis
# |  Adda Wainwright        |    Does dim atal y llanw!         8o)         |

I hate to disappoint you, but that's not the case.  I don't "get off"
on lesbian sex, nor am I an adolescent.  Now, when I was an adolescent,
I believed that homosexuals were just like everyone else.  But I've
learned since then.


KW> If you don't like additives, then for godsake,
KW> get off the net and learn to cook from scratch.  Sheesh.

Mary Allison exclaims:
MA> EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
MA> Why can't people learn to cook from scratch *ON* the net.
MA> I've gotten LOTS of recipes off the net that don't use additives.

Because one simply _can't_ cook on the net, nor can one cook while ON the
net.  Cooking is best done IN a kitchen, ON a stove.  (Gotcha! *grin*)

(I said this out of general frustration at people (not anyone in particular)
 who seem to expect packaged food to conform to their tastes.  In other
 words, if packaged foods are not to your liking, prepare foods that are.)

MA> If you LIKE additives then get off the net and go to your local
MA> supermarket, buy lots of packaged foods, and YOU get OFF THE NET!!

I don't have strong feelings about additives, as long as I can't taste 'em.

(As for the rest of your reply to me, I am sorry it it seemed as if i was
 picking on you.  I wasn't trying to do so.  Please accept my apologies.)


I have a question about recursive, backward raytracing.

When an incident ray (I) strikes an object at point P, first
the normal (N) is calculated. Light rays are calculated (L1 to Ln
where n is the number of light sources) - these being the light
rays that do not intersect with anything. The reflected ray (R) and
the transmitted ray (T) is calculated from the formulae.

Calling the routine recursively on R and T will return the colours
along the rays (R and T) as rCol and tCol. Each object has its own
colour oCol and each light source has liCol (1 <= i <= n).

The question is:
  How do you combine rCol, tCol, oCol and all the liCol's to get
  the correct resulting colour to return along the I ray?

All colours are defined as strucures (records) having r, g, b components
between 0 and 1.

If anyone has done this before could you give me a few hints?

--
Adrian Secchia


Mail bounced, so...

Traditional wisdom says you are almost certainly better off selling it
yourself if you don't mind that extra hassle.  Having a trade-in on a purchase
just makes getting the best price from a dealership more confusing.

I assume this is _retail_ bluebook.  There are two bluebook prices, one for
retail and one for wholesale.  You really want the retail price if you can
get it.  The blue books also have adjustments you can make for low mileage
and extras on your particular car.  You should look all this stuff up yourself.
Also keep in mind that the blue book prices are averages over the country
that may not apply in your area.  For example, blue book prices are low for
California.  A better way of finding out how much your car might be worth is
to call around and see what it's selling for (if any used lots have one) or
looking in local papers for similar cars and checking out the prices.  It
might be more time efficient to take a small loss (rather than hold out for
6 months for the best price).

I don't know what you mean by "an acquaintance" but I would make darn sure
that I was paid, that is, cashier's check in full before delivery.  There's
a real temptation when selling to a pseudo-friend to be more accomodating
than you should.  Make sure you get the money and if they hedge about paying
in full at the start (with a cashier's check or cash) then I would go
elsewhere.  Rememeber that you can probably sell your car to a used car lot
or wholesaler and get wholesale bluebook.  That's probably a safer approach
than selling to a private party.
--


How can anyone pick the worst Yankee pitcher.  In the past 12
years there have been so many.

Does the name Steve "You mean I should try and throw the ball
to the catcher" Trout?


I've just started programming with the PIC16c57 and I'd like talk to similar
like minded people ?  Have you built anything interesting, if so, I'd be
interested in talking about various aspects.

Yes, I already have the application sheets, assembler & simulator.

Cheers,

Stuart


Ugliest stance of all time has to go to Oscar Gamble. The man would
practically kneel in front of home plate in order to have a small strike
zone! (He's just lucky that strike zone size isn't determined by how big
your afro is:)


Less Than 40 People (617) 267-1700
40 or more (617) 262-1915


Wrong, wrong, completely wrong (and a little misleading, too).

White noise is random noise whose energy density is constant for a
constant bandwidth. That is, a 5 Hz wide band at 20 Hz will have precisely
the same amount of energy as a 5 Hz band at 20 kHz.

Pink noise is random noise whose energy density is constant for a constant
precentage bandwidth. Thus, a 5% wide band of noise at 20 Hz (whose
bandwidth is 1 Hz) will contain the same energy as a 5% wide band at 20
kHz (whose bandwidth is 1000 Hz wide).

White noise is often used with spectrum analyzers that have constant
bandwidths, pink noise is used with audio-type real-time analyzers whose
bandwidths are centert-frequency dependent (often described as "1/3
octave" or "1/2 octave" or some such terminology).

White noise, relative to pink noise, has more energy at high frequencies
(at a rate equal to 3 dB per octave). Pink noise, relative to white noise,
has more energy at low frequencies (at a rate equl to, again, 3
db/octave).


Russell Turpin, as is his wont, has raised some interesting issues
in his struggle with the Christian texts and the Christians.
Unfortunately, he seems to be hoping for simplicity where it is
not available. The lukewarm stew he detects may well be an inevitable
result of the divine mixing himself up with a bunch of losers such
as humanity.

Also unfortunately (perhaps) I have a deadline in two weeks, the
responsibility for which prevents me, in good conscience,
from writing a more considered response and fully entering the
fray, as it were.

Let me then say what I can, briefly.

-----

This point, for the net.browsers who also still read books, is
pursued throughly in Kaufmann, Critique_of_Religion_and_Philosophy.

This is a theological statement worthy of Barth.
Dr Turpin (DD) may wear the black robe of Geneva yet! :-)

This requires the assumption that all interpretations are
equally valid, that there is no way of reasonably distinguishing
among them. I wouldn't make that assumption; I don't think it is
a reasonable assumption.

Michael, and I, and others, read 'the Bible' with Christian
glasses. Among the things that this should imply is that the
NT informs the OT, even to the point of dominanting it. Some
points in the OT (ceremonial & dietary laws) are explicitly
abrogated by the NT texts. To drive Russell Turpin's point with
adequacy, one needs to begin with NT texts (probably from Matthew,
and probably about damnation) (Just trying to help :-) )

This part is, I discover, what most moves me to post:

mls> I am a "radical" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously.

Russell Turpin's 'No' here is misplaced, not to say inappropriate.
Michael's self-description much govern.  The equation of radical = liberal,
which seems implied by Russell Turpin  is wrong.  Radical conservatives are
possible (if sadly lacking in numbers at present). Thomas Merton
was a radical, even though conservative in some ways. St Francis
was a radical, similarly. How many examples are needed?

mls> ... Why don't I and the (myriads of) other Christians like me
mls> tell you something about Christianity? ...

Michael's question gets to a heart of the matter (Klingons have
two hearts, so my metaphor is not mixed, just extraterrestrial :-) )
Russell Turpin (in an earlier post) had said that Michael (Michael's
theological positions, actually) didn't tell him much about Christianity;
Dean Simeon responds (this time gently): 'What do you mean?' More
direct, perhaps, would have been: 'What could you possibly mean?'
The implied rhetorical effort, to separate Michael from the
tradition, is a failure. Michael is in the tradition. If your idea
of the tradition doesn't include him, Change your idea of the tradition!

How can one answer this while staying on the more general issue?
I'm on the other side of the interpretive fence (from Michael)
on this issue, yet '*nothing*' is a hideous overstatement.

One verse is enough to refute it; I'll offer two, from
Paul (of all people):

'In Jesus Christ there is neither male nor female...'(Galatians 3:28
{I don't quote single verses as a rule, and I don't carry
them in my head}) and '*Nothing* shall separate us from the glory of God...'
(roughly, from Romans). [If Russell would promise to convert based
on these or any other verses,  I'd promise to get the full context
for any that he requires :-) :-)]

This conclusion does not follow, even in short, from the
argument that goes before. A surprising logical ellipsis.

Dave Davis, ddavis@ma30.bull.com
These are my opinions & activities alone

QOTD:


Try .exe /s  (/s for save screen, /c for config, defaults to /c)

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did it fall?" but rather "How many koalas can that one tree take out???"
---------------------------------------------------------------tim@cpsg.com.au--
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Tim Fox
CP Software Pty Ltd.  (ACN 006 640 133)               Ph:   +61-3-823-0222
19 Cato Street, East Hawthorn,                        Fax:  +61-3-822-0089
Victoria, Australia, 3123                  ACSnet:         tim@cpsg.com.au


: >What exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is
: >the data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't
: >find anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material
: >which would give me this information?

: Well, this is *only* a guess:  If it goes by the "true" meaning of "bit
: map", then it holds (x,y,c) where x pixel number in th ex-direction, y:
: pixel-number in the y-dir, c: colour.

Come on fellows! The format is quite plainly explained in the manuals.
It's in the "Programmer's Reference, Volume 3: Messages, Structures,
and Macros" (MSC-Dev.kit for 3.1, should be also in the Borland's
manuals) pages 232-241 (depending what you need).

First there is the BITMAPFILEHEADER-struct then the BITMAPINFO which
contains the BITMAPINFOHEADER and the RGBQUAD and then the bitmap
data. AND there is also a example among the example files (MS_SDK).
Hope this helps....

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    ########################## | Yes, I do have some prior knowledge in this.
   ##########################  | There is nothing dangerous in these dragons,
  ####   / ///   /             | they are totally harmless... But my opinion
 ####   /  /    / /// ///      | is that kicking them might not be the right
#### /// ///   / / / /// /     | way to test it. So shut up and RUN!


We have three options with respect to the Constitution:

1. Abide by it.
2. Duly amend it.
3. Abandon those parts of which a majority disapproves.

Of course, since the whole point of the Constitution is to restrain the
will of the majority, and since even in unfettered democracy we have
nothing to fear from minorities, #3 amounts to abandoning the
Constitution altogether.

Which will it be?

---
Mark Pundurs


So do other parts of the Bible when taken literally - i.e. the Psalms
saying the Earth does not move, or the implication the Earth is flat
with four corners, etc.  The Bible was written to teach salvation, not
history or science.

What ones?  Paryers for the dead or the intercession of saints? (Which
are taught in 2 Maccabees, Sirach, and Tobit)

By your own subjective judgement.  This falling short is your judgement,
and you are not infallible - rather the Church of Jesus Christ is (see 1
Timothy 3.15).

More subjective feelings.   This is not a proof of anything more than
one persons feelings.

As I have written time and again, the Hebrew canon was fixed in Jamnia,
Palestine, in 90 AD.  60 years after the foundation of the one, holy,
catholic, and apostolic Church.  Furthermore, the opinons of Jerome do
not count.  He was neither the Church, or the Pope, or an ecumenical
council, or a council in general, or an insturment of the Magisterium of
the Church.  He was a private individual, learned admittedly, but
subject to erro of opinion.  And in exlcuding the deuterocanon, he
erred, as Pope Damsus, and the Council of Carthage, and the tradition of
the Fathers, clearly shows, as I pointed out in my previous post.

I suggest you take heed of the last part of the statement, if you want
to take it in the sense you are taking it, that taking away from the
book will cause you to lose heaven.

The order of the Canon is unimportant, it is the content that matters.
None of Jesus' statments exlcude the deuterocanon, which were
interspersed throughout the canon.  And remeber, there are some
completely undisputed books, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiatses, Song
of Songs, Job, etc. that are not quoted in the New Testament, which is
not taken as prejudicial to their being inspired.


I'm looking for some specs for a Toshiba TA6267-BP.  It appears
to be a power amp housed in a 7-pin inline package and is used
in my Mitsubishi VCR, circa 1985, as a DC motor controller for
the tape drive.

Checking in the oldest IC Master I have (1990), I don't see it
listed, and it appears to have been discontinued.  If anyone
has anything on this part, I'd be *greatly* indebted!

thanks in advance,


	Well, if SHIT means going to the Stanley Cup finals a couple years
ago, I'd rather be shit than a leaf fan.


..

As Ben says - this re-boost idea is all news to us here.  Do you know
something we don't?  Please supply a source - it would be nice for
the schedulers of observations to know where the thing is going to
be.  These altitude numbers are also way off.

My best source has:
"Minimum ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is:    573 Kilometers"
"Maximum ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is:    603 Kilometers"
"Delta   ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is:      3 Kilometers"

(PMDB is Proposal Management Data Base - used to schedule observations.)
..

Could you supply some calculations?  You might check some recent
postings that explained that 'a small booster' as suggested does
not now exist, so comparing the mass of something that doesn't
exist to the mass of the OMS fuel seems impossible.  The contamination
threat also remains.

..
  Longer drag life I can understand, but could you explain the
antenna pointing?

Tell me about it.  Although the arrays can be (and are) moved perfectly
well utilizing the second electronics box.  Getting them both working
is much desireable so as to reclaim redundancy.

I don't mean to jump on you - helpful suggestions are always welcome
and we all know the more ideas the better, but I do want the true
situation to be described clearly and correctly, lest some get
confused.


If anyone has a list of companies doing data visualization (software
or hardware) I would like to hear from them.  Thanks.

	-- krs
--


    Vintage Brakes
    176 Bluefield Ave.
    Newbury Park, CA.  91320
    (805)498-5527

    They reline all types of obsolete motorcycle brake shoes with Ferodo
material.

    Place to try:

    Deutsches Motorrad Register
    8663 Grover Place
    Shreveport, LA 71115
    (club for all types of two-wheeled German equipment, including
     scooters.  I periodically see ads for Maico scooter stuff in their
     newsletter.)

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Marvin Minsky (hi there) writes of building "perceptrons?" in the 1950s using
motor-driven potentiometers to vary the weights. He reported that the circuits
worked even tho there were wiring errors. (Can you say ROBUST?)

Cadium Sulfide cells vary with light. CMOS or TTL gates provide the SIGMOID
somewhat-linear-yet-somewhat-limiter transfer function often used.
Low power Schottky gates, and earlier gates, has about a gain of X8.
LEDs probably output enough light to easily control CdS cells, even at a
few mA. And paper with dark and light regions, controlled by pencil and
eraser, could also control CdS resistance. The very high input resistance of
CMOS gates may let you charge up 1uF paper/mylar caps to serve as memory.


Car accessory shops here sell stuff called T-Cut, which is a very fine
cutting paste for paint, and this will remove the dull finish and
minor acratches. It will also remove all the traffic film and stuff that
you probably don't realise is there, and give your paintwork its original
lustre and shine. It can sometimes react badly with metallic paint, though,
so try it out carefully before going to town with the stuff. Afterwards
apply wax polish, and all will be well again.

BTW - don't confuse T-cut with the cutting paste used for grinding in
valves...the principle's the same but the coarseness is vastly different...


What is fornication? (sex outside of marriage, abuse of sex)

Is not homosexual intercourse outside the context of marriage?
Isn't it an unatural use of what God has given us?

Why is it that homosexuals are using the Grace of God as a license to
practice sin?

   For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long
   beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who
   turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only
   Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

                                      Jude 4 (NASB)

What is defined by God as a legitimate marriage?

   For this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother, and
   shall cleave to his wife; and the shall become one flesh.

                                      Gen 2:24 (NASB)

   And He answer and said, "Have you not read, that He who created them
   from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS
   CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE;
   AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'?  Consequently they are no longer
   two, but one flesh.  What therefore God has joined together, let no
   man separate."

                                      Matt 19:4-6 (NASB)

   But because of immoralities, let each man have his own wife, and let
   each woman have her own husband.  Let the husband fulfill his duty
   to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

                                      1 Corinthians 7:4,5 (NASB)

I disagree... Every law that is written in Leviticus should be looked at
as sin.  That is why we have a need for a savior.  I can understand
someone who may not know a particular sin listed in the Levitcal law, but
I would hope that they would repent when confronted with it.

Also I noticed that the preceeding verses say.

   Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her
   menstrual impurity.  And you shall not have intercourse with your
   neighbors wife, to be defiled with her.

                                   Leviticus 18:19, 20 (NASB)

These verses are just as relevant as:

   You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an
   abomination.

                                   Leviticus 18:22 (NASB)

Why was God telling the Israelites not to practice such things?

   Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these
   the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.
   For the land has become defiled, therefore I have visited its
   punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.
   But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and Judgments, and
   shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor
   the alien who sojourns among you

                                    Leviticus 18:24-26 (NASB)

He is the Lord...  Listen to what he has to say...

Nobody wants to dismiss homosexuals.  We do love you, but we don't
agree that what you practice is not sin.  You have not truly repented
of your sin.  We hate the sin that is within your lives.  I hate sin
that is in my life.  All Christians should hate the sin that is within
their own lives.  Confrontaion with sin should bring about repentance.
Yes I agree with John 3:17, but I also know that Jesus said, "Repent for
the kingdom of heaven is at hand"  Matt 3:17.  If you don't agree that
homosexuality is sin than how can you repent from it?  This means that
you remain in bondage to it.  Repent from it and God will set you free.

In His Love,

       Mike

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Michael Christensen                 |  Trust the Lord with all your heart,
Senior Product Support Engineer     |  And do not lean on your own
Procom Technology, Inc.             |  understanding.   Proverbs 3:5 (NASB)


Ha!

Watch me. It flies. It lands. It gets rebuilt.

That's not what they told us back in the '70's.

1. It isn't a logical follow-on. A logical follow-on would have
been either a Russian "snowfox" type thingey (for the lifting bodies)
or something like MMI's Space Van (or Boeing's TSTO, or the airbreathing
TSTO the military is allegedly _using_ now that probably cost less
to develop than the shuttle does to fly for a year).

Keep that attitude, and it'll be a couple centuries before we get real
access to space, unless another country without all that baggage comes
along and kicks our ass in the space race.

Or NASA HQ. That doesn't give the rest of the program plausible deniability
if we deceide that it wasn't worth the money we've spent, which is by now
probably a lot more than Apollo.

Yes, but it gets sold on the basis of the political statements.
You're saying basically that it met the engineering specs (which is
questionable, IMHO) so it's a success, never mind that you couldn't
get the funding the shuttle eats with those engineering specs in
a thousand years.

You can get hypersonic flight data with an X-15 or a follow-on X-15
type vehicle for much less.

And economics and engineering are interchangable; engineering in the
absense of economics is basically just physics, and in terms of physics,
the shuttle looks like a failure next to the X-15.

HS>Sorry, support that I can arrange for launchers all goes to launchers
HS>that I have some hope of riding some day.  At the moment, that's
HS>DC-X's hoped-for successors.

The shuttle program has a bad record. I _once_ had hopes for the
shuttle program. By now I know those hopes were false.

All I have for DC-X and similar and dissimilar experimental vehicles
are hopes. But at least I know they aren't false hopes yet.

I did support the shuttle, way back when. It didn't do nearly what
it was supposed to. It's time to move on to something that might do
the job of orbital delivery better. Or at all.

We don't want to learn how to operate on orbit. It launches, it
shoves out the payload, it lands. It doesn't waste payload hauling
up and down EDO pallets and the like.

The only thing to be learned from shuttle is how *not* to build a
launcher.

Finally: that bit about the "proven" shuttle. Are you hoping you can
tell a lie enough times and get someone to believe it?

How much science and technology could have been done is the money spent
on shuttle had been spent differently?

...

Learn about economics and the current budget realities in the United States,
please.


As if an aluminum stick being taken to Ulf's head is gonna solve the problem
with violence in the sport of hockey.  How the hell can you say the guy is
a goon and justify it, with your back-assward mentality?  Saying that hurting
a player will solve anyone's problems is asinine.  New rules and a new
referee system need to be instituted.  Right now, too many of the real goons
get away with too much, because the ref is watching the play (or supposed to be:I've seen Koharski and Van Hellemond, to name a few, with their heads up their  asses on a few calls) rather than keeping an eye on the goofballs behind the
play.  Even if the linesmen were able to call all penalties, it would be an
improvement.


It's the video card.  It's 8514/A compatible, which means it uses the
same i/o addresses as com4.

  --jh


From article <1r492jINN5fo@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, by nomad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Larish):

I take it that when something happens that is wrong it's okay if
a bunch of people say it is?  For instance, if some people go on a
murderous rampage and lynch some blacks and then a poll is taken which
shows that the majority of people think that this is acceptable then
does this mean that what these people have done isn't bad?  This is an
example of mob rule not a democracy---a democracy in which people's
rights are protected.  I hope that I've made myself clear on this.

Fine...you have the right to hold any opinion that you want to.  But,
let me ask you this:  are you outraged over this tragedy?  I hope
that you are, your opinions of David Koresh and his followers not
withstanding.  I know I am.

Why?  I'd be interested in hearing your reasons.

Scott Kennedy,  Brewer and Patriot

Before:  "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets
          the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."  --ATF spokesman
After:   "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets
          [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."  --Me


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