Greetings this is a general call for information regarding Image
Processing. I am looking for any material related to the field, and am
also trying to get my hands on some easy to use packages related to the
field. In particular source code for general use packages.

I already have several texts on the subject, but would appreciate more
input from people more knowledgable in the field than myself. I'm not
mathematically literate (ie. I don't have a degree in mathematics), so
any material that is suggested I would prefer that it was not
mathematically intensive.

The best book I have found on the subject at the moment is:

"Practical Digital Image Processing"
by Rhys Lewis
ISBN: 0-13-683525-2
Published by Ellis Horwood (c)1990.

Likewise I am trying to get a fair sample of programs that demonstrate
Image Processing techniques. So far I have 'xv', and 'khoros' for Unix.
'Dcview 2.1' for the IBM PC, and various related smatterings of C code
to help describe topics like, contrasting, dithering, image enhancement
via convolution etc.

If anyone could kindly supply me with some public domain software
pertinent to this area, or better still if they could tell me where I am
most likely to find it on the AARNET (Internet). If I can I would prefer
source code in C or Turbo Pascal that includes some Image Processing
code/algorithms, that I can readily alter/manipulate for the purposes of
demonstration it would be most helpful.

All the above information will contribute to my post-graduate studies,
and will be liberally used in my paper, and seminar on the subject.

          Thanks in advance Vance Ashlin
          Diploma Advanced Computing

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   [re: voyages of discovery...]
   Could you give examples of privately funded ones?

If you believe 1492 (the film), Columbus had substantial private
funds.  When Columbus asked the merchant why he put the money in, the
guy said (slightly paraphrased) , "There is Faith, Hope and Charity.
But greater than these is Banking."


Does anyone know of the whereabouts of technical reports that
I can access via the Internet?


Paul's statement only asserts that that particular choice was not
a matter of karmic fulfillment of the past, just as the fate of the
man born blind (John 9) was not.  There is no question here of the
simplistic idea of karma as a machine that is the sole determiner
of one's destiny.  Even the eastern traditions, or many of them,
do not say that, as one knowledgeable poster pointed out.

And if in fact that Paul did not know about or believe in reincarnation
does not say anything one way or another about it.  Even John the Baptist,
who Jesus says emphatically is Elijah (Matt 11:14), does not appear to
have been aware of it, at least at the point at which he was asked. But
it is interesting that his threefold denial -- to the question whether
he is the Christ, the Prophet (i.e. Isaiah), or Elijah, is emphatic in
the first case and very weak in the third.

I would like to add once again that, while it is important to discuss the
different passages that may point directly to the teaching of repeated
earth lives, one way or another, what I really see as important in our
time is that the subject be revisited in terms of the larger view of
Christianity and Christian doctrine.  For the most part, those who do
accept it either reject the central ideas of Christianity or, if they
are Christians, hold their conviction as a kind of separate treasure.
I believe that Christianity has important new understanding to bring
to bear on it, and vice versa, much that is central to Christianity
takes on entirely new dimensions of meaning in light of repeated earth
lives. It has a direct bearing on many of the issues frequently discussed
in this newsgroup in particular.

I have said openly that I have developed my views of repeated earth lives
largely from the work of Rudolf Steiner.  Not that I hold him as an
authority, but the whole picture of Christianity becomes clearer in light
of these ideas.  Steiner indicated that the old consciousness of reincar-
nation necessarily had to fade away that it could be renewed in later
times, after a time of development of the Christ idea through the first
two millenia after Christ's deed on Golgotha.  In our own time, it becomes
important that, having received the basic gospel of salvation, our
understanding of life and of the human being can now grow to embrace the
significance of this idea.  For the discussions in this newsgroup, I
have tried to focus on that which can be related as directly as possible
to scripture and to fundamental Christian teaching and tradition.


Hmm... all reports from Texas authorities indicate that none of the children
which the group released showed any signs of child abuse.. given that the same
results were found the last time the group was investigated for such allegations,
I can pretty much state that I strongly suspect the government of disinformation
/deception on this issue.  And about stockpiling weapons/food, many recognized
religous groups practice maintaining a one years supply of food, and some even
maintain a supply of weapons and ammunition, why are those two facts grounds
for an armed assault?  And from the dollar value of the weapons purchased,
if they bought decent firearms it comes out to about one handgun, rifle, and
shotgun for each adult, with a few extras...  Going by that rule, the BATF
best get ready for the fight of their life when they assault Alabama...


Actually, I've had a bad habit of stuffing a whole bunch of other garbage
junk mail in along with whatever else into *anybody's* prepaid envelopes
until they almost burst.  I believe they pay postage by weight.
heh, heh, heh...

Anyways, don't tear up the quotes just yet...I sometimes use their
quotes or other insurance quotations as leverage to haggle for a
lower rate elsewhere.  Usually it works to *your* advantage if
they are lower.


Nowadays, usually with a computer. No theory predicted the numeric
discoveries listed above. No one can yet write an algorithm that will
predict the precise behavior of any of these at any precise level of
their evolution. So it remains for experimenters to gather data on their
behavior.

Gary


[... snip ...]

Can you imagine what happens when a magazine explodes? Bullets go flying every
where. IMHO, these "gunshot wounds" were actually caused when the magazines
went up. A Texas ranger does not a pathologist make, so I'll wait for an
autopsy to determine if they were shot first.


Since the demise of the Outbound company, what options would exist for me
if I were to buy one of their laptops?

(1) Since the Outbounds (2030, 2030E, etc) use mac plus roms, won't that
severly limit using future applications?

(2) What is a reasonable price for one of their laptops? The prices I've
seen seem extremely high considering the limited choices now.

(3) How reliable have they proven?

Any answers would be helpful.


** I am considering either an inkjet or bubble jet printer. I've seen
   inkjet printers and I was impressed with the near lazer quality.

   I have heard a lot of bad things about the cheaper bubble-jet printers.
   Does the ink smudge very easily and take a long time to dry ?

   Thanks.


Oops, what the hell a crosspost is this ?!

Have a look onto XV-3.00 before saying anything more about it's power.


According to this reasoning there are no rights, at least none that I can think
of....

Let's see.  Do I have a right to unpolluted air?  No, because the majority
drive cars and use goods that create air pollution in the manufacturing process.

Do I have the right to clean water?  I guess not, by the same reasoning.
I could go on with these examples for a long time....

Look at Nazi Germany.  Because of the majority, Jews, homosexuals, blacks,
and others that were different had no rights.  In fact they were terrorized,
imprisoned, and slaughtered.  In this country did blacks have the right to be
free from slavery?  I guess not, because the majority said that slavery was
good for them.

I think that a right has a moral imperative.  If a law, imposed by the majority,
is immoral, one should not follow it.  In fact, one should do everything in
his/her power to stop it. Of course, that doesn't mean that I would lose all
common sense to break the law, just because I thought it was immoral.  I pay
my Federal Income Tax even though I am morally opposed to the U.S. Government
taking my money and spending it on weapons of mass destruction and terrorism.
This is precisely the point I am trying to make.  We should _persude_ people
by logic, pointing out that it is in their self-interest to let all have
equal rights in all aspects of life, including adequate housing, food, and
medical care.  I just happen to think that for a full life the aesthetic of
beauty and joy is also necessary.  That is why I consider an uncluttered
night sky a right.

Have you ever been out in the desert, away from local lights, and most people?
The sky is dark and transparent.  The Milky Way is ablaze with more detail
than you thought possible.  The beauty and wonder takes your breath away.

Now imagine you live in the worst ghetto, say in L.A. Due to light pollution
you have never seen a dark sky.  You might in fact never, not in your whole
life, ever see the majesty of the night sky.  Every where around you, you see
squalor, and through your life runs a thread of dispair. What is there to live
for?

I admit these two scenarios are extreme examples, but I have seen both.
I, for one, need dreams and hopes, and yes, beauty, as a reason for living.
That is why I consider an uncluttered night sky a right.

George


The cited passages are covered IN DEPTH in a FAQ for this group.
That particular FAQ (I've forgotten the author) discusses the
traditional vs. pro-homosexual interpretations of the passages and
indicates which points have strong textual support.

Perhaps the moderator might give again the instructions for
retrieving the FAQ on this topic?

BTW, this issue, while dealt with before, is VERY timely.  One
of the major Presbyterian churches in California (St. Andrews -- a
MegaChurch in a rich neighborhood) is withholding their support of
Synod (amounts to about 10% of the budget of the Synod, which
covers all of Southern CA and Hawaii) until support for a
pro-homosexual lobbying group (the Lazarus Project) is terminated.
[This came from a news report on CNN yesterday -- corrections welcome.]
					Tim

[I think it's time for me to post the FAQ.

This is an issue throughout the Presbyterian Church.  On the other
side, one of the major churches in Cincinnati has been ordaining
homosexual elders, and has ignored Presbytery instructions not to do
so.  And the church in Rochester where the judicial commission said
they couldn't install a homosexual pastor has made her an
"evangelist".  These situations, as well as the one you describe, do
not appear to be stable.  This will certainly be a major topic for the
General Assembly next month.  If the church can't come up with a
solution that will let people live with each other, I think we're end
up with a split.  Clearly neither side wants that, but I think we'll
get pushed into it by actions of both sides.


1988 Burton Air Snowboard

Multiflex bindings
triple strap on back binding
board bag and leash included
recently toned and waxed

$139 firm.


FOR SALE

Sherwood AM/FM Stereo Reciever
20 memory presets (I think, may be 18)
25 watts per channel

$70 or best offer

Please reply to gt7187c@prism.gatech.edu


Bleep! Bleep! Bleep!  The Bruins lost AGAIN in O.T.  I can't stand it!

Aside from frustrated ravings, I must give Buffalo credit: they are making good
on most of their scoring opportunities, and are playing great defense.  Boston
players can't seem to get control of the puck anywhere near the Buffalo net
except for on rare occasions.  The Buffalo defense is also doing an excellent
job clearing away rebounds.  Fuhr is playing great when the big save is needed
but he's also getting plenty of help.
Boston has been playing rather well (better than would be indicated by the
series score of 3-0) but is lacking that extra drive in the earlier part of the
game.  As a result, Boston keeps leaving the ice at the end of the 1st period
2 goals down.  This MUST stop if Boston is to have any hope of winning a single
game (the outlook for the Bruin's advancement to the second round are quite
bleak).  IMHO, the Bruins NEED to score first.  If they can do that, they have
an excellent chance of winning, since they have outplayed the Sabres in the
2nd and 3rd periods.

(The scary thing is that I'll be going to grad school in Buffalo next year.
   I'll never cheer for the Sabres... You can't convert me... ^:)

MTM3


Rubbish. The reason for the colour of the boards depends on the solder
mask that is used. Older boards (bakelite and phenolic) rarely used
a solder mask (these boards are not suited well to automatic stuffing
and soldering techniques) and hence are the colour of the compound
used to make them. These days boards are made of fibreglass for most
general purpose uses and have a solder mask applied to them to prevent
close traces shorting to one another during soldering (and also to prevent
the decomposition of traces under harsh environments). The light and dark
green boards ofter seen have a "dry film" mask applied to them (usually
applied as a complete film photographically produced). The blue (and red
or orange) boards are a two-part epoxy or a liquid-imageable resist
formulation and are applied in a different manner. There's a lot of info
about the pro's and con's of each, but that's another story...

    Sla/n go fo/ill,
                    Risky B.


Unfortunately, Hoover thought himself above the constitution, whatever he
considered the limits others should obey. He ruthlessly invaded the privacy
of many private and public citizens.

  -mel


How do I view .eps files on X? I have an image in color encapsulated
postscript, and need to view it on my screen.

Are there any utilities that will let me convert between encapsulated
postscript and plain postscript?


This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have heard from the
Europeans. "Let's let the Serbs massacre, rape, and ethnically clean
100,000 Bosnians because we don't want our pretty blue berets there
to get scratched".  Well, I say, get them the hell out of there if you're
worried for them, but don't deny Bosnians their basic right to self
defense! Lift the embargo against Bosnia, and let them defend themselves.
What makes the UN troops more valuable than the Bosnian people?  They
are letting the civilians die so the soldiers could survive, when
if anything, it should be the other way around.  Idiots like Owen
expect Bosnians to swallow a forced plan, and just hope this problem
will go away.  Well they're wrong.  If they had got their butts in gear
(that is, if Bosnia had oil) a year ago, much of this could be prevented.
Now, however, the results of this tragedy will last for generations.
That's like forcing the jews to make peace with Hitler. Yeah right.
This, as senator Biden said, reeks of bigotry, and makes me and any
decent human being for that matter, quite sick.  It should be the
Europeans, not the Americans, who take the inititiative and ask the
other for support.  This is their backyard, not the Americans.
Today it's Bosnia, tomorrow it will be Kosovo and Macedonia, Greece,
and then Turkey, and the damn thing will spread.  Not to mention
European muslims who weren't even practicing before will rally to
fundamentalism. Good luck handling that, your majesty!  Owen was
upset at the question which compared him to Chamberlain, who hoped
to appease Hitler.  He said that Chamberlain had been in Munich 2 years
before any war, I have been here during a blazing war for the last
18 months.  Well, that makes him even worse, because Chamberlain could
have at least argued I'm giving Germany the benefit of the doubt,
whereas Owen can't even do that.  What the west is doing is aiding the
Serbs by tying the Bosnians' hands, and making the stupid excuse of their
powerless troops on the ground, who can't even protect the Bosnian foreign
minister in their own armored vehicle, and watch the killers just walk
away!  What kind of peace is this?  What kind of civilization is this?

European leaders are PATHETIC, and are helping a genocide which even they
will not be able to forget.  Yeah, they'll go to Africa and fight for some
damn dictator in their former colony, they'll go to Kuwait and fight for
oil, but in Bosnia not only they won't fight aggression, they'll even
tie the hands of the victim.  Now you tell me who is fooling whom.


:
: >I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20
: >I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better).  Vertical motion
: >is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click
: >on something because my mouse jumps around.  I can be moving the mouse to
: >the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly
: >for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump
: >again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!).  This is crazy!  I have
: >never had so much trouble with a mouse before.  Anyone have any solutions?

Here is another hint:

	I have a really jumping mouse (ps2 type), and finally the mouse
stops jump changing HIMEM.SYS (yes, himem!), is you use:

DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS /M:x

x can be 1,2,...,8 (Of course my computer DON'T appear on the list for
these parameter)

 And maybe, your mouse can stop jump... (But your problem looks more
like a dirty mouse ;)...

	Hope it help (to anybody!)


And I thought the nutters were the ones throwing the bricks from the
bridge.......

An institution?


Please reply to the seller below.

For Sale:

Sun SCSI-2 Host Adapter Assembly
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Brand New In Unopened Mylar
  Sun part no. 501-1167

  50pin Dsub external connector
  Compatible with Sun 3/100/200, 4/200/300 machines

 Available March 1, 1993.

 Originally purchased for ~$1,200 eighteen months ago

Please email offers to:


Or alternatively, 75% of the questions cover 10% of the topics in this group -
making them frequently asked.

So the other 25% cover 90% of the topics, making them rarely asked and thus in
sore need of answering ...

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#
# Which Article of the Constitution gives me the right of revolution if things
# seem to be going cockeyed??
#
# Hmmm...
# --
# Peter G. White, President, Synthesis 93 Inc.
# Milwaukee, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
# Peter.White@mixcom.com


KNX AM, 1070 in LA, will be unhappy to hear about this, I'm sure. :-)

(isn't KNBR in the bay area?)


From "Management of Electronics Assembly" (Ian Oakes)
After talking about 63/37 tin lead alloy and the eutectic point...
"Occasionally, impurities may be added to solder, to vary charactersitics
within the soldering process in an attempt to improve performance.  For
example, addition of small quantities of antimony and copper can reduce
the amount solder moves under stress when solid.  For particular
applications additions of impurities may be warranted but, in general, it
is best to keep the solder used in a soldering process as pure as possible."

I guess this is the good oil for commercial operations, but it doesn't
mention anything esoteric.


nz	New Zealand
au	Australia
jp	Japan
kr	Korea
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Sorry, that's a feature.  The ICCCM specifies how the app should set its title, so the wm is obliged to do it.  If this bothers you, complain to the app writer.

Write your own wm that doesn't support the ICCCM.  Or write an program that you give a window ID and a title.  The your program can set the windows title for the app and then if the app changes it, your program switches it back again.


I watched the final inning of Bosio's no-hitter with several people at
work. After Vizquel made that barehanded grab of the chopper up the
middle, someone remarked that if he had fielded it with his glove, he
wouldn't have had time to throw Riles out. Yet, the throw beat Riles
by about two steps. I wonder how many others who watched the final out
think Vizquel had no choice but to make the play with his bare hand.
Does anybody think Vizquel was wrong to field the ball barehanded? And
if he failed to field it cleanly, would it (or should it) have been an
error or a hit? (Judging from Bosio's grimace when the ball bounced
past him, he must have thought it would go through for a hit.) Whether
Vizquel was right or wrong, he certainly made one hell of a play.

--
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Phil Brown                |
aka pb6755@csc.albany.edu |


Bandwidth is unlikely to be the problem, except over a wet string network.
One of major flaws of X is the horrendous number of transactions (and
hence process switches) that it forces upon a host.  Actual measurements
(hourly average) are 5 per second per logged in user, which can lead to
20-50 or more process switches (depending on whether each event is
filtered by the window manager as well as the applications and how
many processes are needed for each character.)

While a blinking cursor needs only the application and the networking
process, and does not add any transactions, it will add something like
10 process switches per second per user.  This is a significant increase
in overhead, especially as the application may have quite a large working
set.  If you want a rapidly blinking cursor, there could be as many
as 50.

If you want to go there, I wouldn't start from here!


Let me say that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is
central to Christianity. If you personally believe that Jesus Christ
died for you, you are a part of the Christian body of believers.

We are all still human. We don't know it all, but homosexual or heterosexual,
we all strive to follow Jesus.  The world is dying and needs to hear about
Jesus Christ.

Are you working together with other Christians to spread the Gospel?


	You are talking about the man who as a federal attorney did so
much to frustrate the proper investigation of the JFK assassination by
the House sub-committee on assassinations.  Fox and hen house???


Hmmmmmm.  $30 seems a bit expensive.  How big is the chip?  What kind
of packages will be used?  3 volt or 5 volt technology?  How much
current will it draw?  I think there are many practical questions
that haven't been answered, especially since this chip already exists!

OK, I've got a big problem with all of this.  How in the world do you
expect to sell these chips for even $30 after all the overhead involved
in this programming procedure?  2-4 people, a laptop, only 300 chips at
a time:  give me a break.  And how long does all of this take?  Even if
it is a minute per chip, it will take the greater part of a day to
turn out 300 of these things.  How long do you suppose it will take to
program those 10,000 chips mentioned above?  This is highly impractical!

So where can I find info on this AT&T device?  What kind of vocoder
does it use?  Does it require ISDN phone lines?  If not, is it full
duplex?  How does it sound?  What kind of synchronization scheme is
used?  Will all other little black boxes have to conform to AT&Ts choices
of protocol, etc.?  Will anybody else be allowed to build boxes that
conform to these specifications?


My wife had hives during the first two months
of her pregnancy.  My son (3 months old), breast-fed,
now has the same symptoms.  She has been to a skin-specialist,
but he has merely prescribed various medicines (one
each visit as though by trial and error :-))

Anti-histamines worked on both of them, but looks like
becoming less effective.

Are there other solutions?  Thanks.


David, this study looks like a good one.  Gordon Rubenfeld did a Medline
search and also sent me the same reference through e-mail.  Since
commercial yogurt does not always have a good Lactobacillus a. or
bulgaricus culture, a negative finding would not have been too informative.
This is often the reason why Lactobacillus acidophilus tablets are
recommended rather than yogurt.

I guess the next question is why would this introduction of "good" bacteria
back into the gut decrease the incidence of vaginal candida blooms if the
anus was not serving as a candida reservoir(a fact that Gordon R. vehementy
denys)?  I see two possible theories.  One, the L. acidophilus, which is a
facultatively anaerobic bacterium, could make it through the gut and
colonize the rectal area to overgrow the candida.  This would not explain
the reoccurance of candida blooms in the vagina after the yogurt ingestion
was stopped though.  The other is that the additional bacteria in the
intestinal tract remove most of the glucose from the feces and candida
looses it's major food source.

Getting Lactobacillus acidophilus to colonize the vaginal tract(where it is
normally found) would have a much better effect on the recurrance of vaginal
yeast blooms though.  An acetic acid, Lactobacillus acidophilus douche has
been used to get this effect but I've not seen any such treatment reported in
the medical literature.  This would be an example of physicians conducting
their own clinical trials to try to come up with treatments that help their
patients.  When this is done in private practice, the results are rarely, if
ever published.  It was the hallmark of medicine until the modern age
emerged with clinical trials.  It really raises a big question.  Does the
medical profession cast out the adventerous few who try new treatments to
help patients or does it look the other way.

This particular issue is really a very simple one since no real dangerous
therapy is involved(even the anti-fungals are not all that dangerous).  But
there are some areas(like EDTA chelation therapy), where the fire is pretty
hot and somebody could get burned.  It's really tough.  Do I follow only
well established protocols and then give up if they don't work that well or
do it try something that looks like it will work but hasn't been proven to
work yet?

My stand is to consider other treatment possibilities, especially if they
involve little or no risk to the patient.  Getting good bacteria back into
the gut after antibiotic treatment is one treatment possibility.  The other
is getting L. acidophilus into the vaginal tract of a woman who is having a
problem with recurring yeast infections.


   Is it possible through either pin configuration or through software
   programming to change the IP numbers on an ethernet card?

The Ethernet card doesn't use the IP number (32-bits, usually
#.#.#.#); it uses the Ethernet address (48-bits, usually
#:#:#:#:#:#). I have never run across an Ethernet controller that
cannot be programmed to use an address that is not assigned to it.
DECNET requires this feature.

However, that said, there is no reason to ever change the Ethernet
address.  They are globally unique, the first three bytes being
assigned to the manufacturer by the IEEE, and the last three by the
manufacturer.


I think you mean ARPA; AARP is the American Association of Retired Persons,
and I seriously doubt that they'd want young whippersnappers building
anything on their backbones, what with de-calcification and all :-)

The general convention is that if it doesn't have a country tag on it, it's
a US site. That includes:
	.com	commercial
	.edu	educational
	.mil	US Military sites
	.gov	US Gov't non-military sites (eg NASA sites)
	.org	anyone who is "none of the above"
There are sites with such tags that are non-US sites, but they will have
the country extension (eg xxxx.edu.au is an extension I saw today).
US sites can also use the .us extension, but, as Mr. Smith pointed
out, the Internet was built on the ARPANet backbone, and they default
to US sites if there's no country code.

I would suggest that anyone who didn't know this (or wants to know
more about it on a non-system-administrative level) check out
the book _The_Whole_Internet_User's_Guide_and_Catalog_ by Ed Krol.
(or is it Catalog and User's Guide? I can never remember, and my copy
is my desk at home...). It's a very good not-necessarily-technical
guide to the Internet and the various utilities that lurk on it (including
USENET). I don't think it's part of the Nutshell series, but it is
published by O'Reilly and Associates.

This should go to one of the news.* newsgroups, but damned if I
can figure out which one.... :-)

				James


After insult, Gregg resorts to lies:


I was asked to post the team log of this year's winning team in the regular
season draft.  Here 'tis:

%begin Dave_Wessels
...reading team 'Dave_Wessels' from database
%log all

Team log:

Name			Team	Points	Value	Bought	Week	Sold	Week
Trevor Linden           VAN	72	72.0	78.8	pre	70.4	10
Cliff Ronning           VAN	85	85.0	74.6	pre	97.8	6
Robert Reichel          CGY	88	88.0	58.9	pre	51.4	8
Pat Verbeek             HFD	82	82.0	63.0	pre	64.3	7
Pat Falloon             SJ	28	28.0	62.7	pre	46.8	7
John MacLean            NJ	48	48.0	55.0	pre	27.5	7
Eric Lindros            PHI	75	75.0	55.0	pre	105.0	6
Rick Tocchet            PIT	109	109.0	81.2	pre	106.9	9
Greg Adams              VAN	56	56.0	63.0	pre	93.8	8
Mike Ricci              QUE	78	78.0	60.3	pre	79.8	6
Joe Juneau              BOS	102	102.0	55.0	pre	110.9	6
Kevin Hatcher           WSH	79	79.0	57.4	pre	54.6	6
Teemu Selanne           WPG	132	132.0	55.0	pre	109.2	6
Pavel Bure              VAN	110	110.0	77.5	pre	108.9	8
Dixon Ward              VAN	52	52.0	55.0	pre	61.2	7
Russ Courtnall          MIN	79	79.0	60.7	6	84.6	14
Darren Turcotte         NYR	53	53.0	60.7	6	72.1	14
Christian Ruuttu        CHI	54	54.0	61.9	6	52.2	13
Petr Nedved             VAN	71	71.0	59.3	6	84.5	12
Petr Klima              EDM	48	48.0	65.3	6	--	--
Tony Granato            LA	82	82.0	56.0	6	75.6	12
Steve Duchesne          QUE	82	82.0	88.7	6	92.2	13
Alexander Mogilny       BUF	127	127.0	103.8	6	118.8	14
Ray Sheppard            DET	66	66.0	55.0	7	63.0	15
Steve Larmer            CHI	70	70.0	64.9	7	79.7	17
Vincent Damphousse      MTL	97	97.0	64.9	7	94.5	15
Tony Amonte             NYR	76	76.0	63.0	7	63.0	16
Brendan Shanahan        STL	94	94.0	55.0	8	--	--
Corey Millen            LA	39	39.0	55.0	8	48.9	16
Johan Garpenlov         SJ	66	66.0	55.0	8	55.9	15
Kelly Kisio             SJ	78	78.0	63.0	8	72.3	15
Pat Elynuik             WSH	57	57.0	57.0	9	56.7	16
Benoit Hogue            NYI	75	75.0	61.6	10	74.3	20
Pat Flatley             NYI	60	60.0	55.0	11	59.9	18
Rod Brind'Amour         PHI	86	86.0	74.1	12	81.0	19
Michal Pivonka          WSH	74	74.0	55.0	12	--	--
Joe Mullen              PIT	70	70.0	55.0	12	--	--
John Cullen             TOR	50	50.0	55.0	13	55.7	19
Stephane Richer         NJ	73	73.0	55.0	13	61.8	19
Jeff Norton             NYI	50	50.0	64.0	14	56.3	20
Glenn Anderson          TOR	65	65.0	55.0	14	--	--
Ray Bourque             BOS	82	82.0	65.6	14	--	--
Bernie Nicholls         NJ	60	60.0	72.8	14	67.8	20
Andrew Cassels          HFD	85	85.0	56.0	14	--	--
Dmitri Kvartalnov       BOS	72	72.0	82.1	15	--	--
Tomas Sandstrom         LA	52	52.0	59.7	15	43.6	22
Joe Sakic               QUE	105	105.0	109.6	15	--	--
Rob Blake               LA	59	59.0	59.5	16	--	--
Derek King              NYI	76	76.0	68.3	16	70.9	22
Michel Goulet           CHI	44	44.0	55.0	16	45.4	23
Mike Modano             MIN	93	93.0	90.5	17	--	--
Dmitri Khristich        WSH	67	67.0	55.0	18	--	--
Alexander Semak         NJ	79	79.0	62.6	19	--	--
Nikolai Borschevsky     TOR	74	74.0	69.3	19	--	--
Mike Donnelly           LA	69	69.0	70.5	19	--	--
Jeff Brown              STL	78	78.0	69.1	20	--	--
Thomas Steen            WPG	72	72.0	55.0	20	--	--
Kevin Dineen            PHI	63	63.0	55.5	20	--	--
Mario Lemieux           PIT	160	160.0	134.9	22	--	--
Wayne Gretzky           LA	65	65.0	55.0	23	--	--
You have 1.9 cash points.

As of week 28, your team is placed 1 (of 262 teams).
--
Andrew Scott                    | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Operation     | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253


Come again? The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing
glory in their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood
and independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged
in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed
genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia
and x-Soviet Armenia before and during World War I and fully
participated in the extermination of the European Jewry
during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing,
rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the
Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians
engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal
they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million
Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.

And the justice is long overdue.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
        No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.
        (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)

"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from
 leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night
 they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,
 after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements
 of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around
 Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are
 being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and
 barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."

        "Document No: 52," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
        No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7.
        (To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps
        Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army
        General)

"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the
 population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are
 facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties
 and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate
 the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have
 regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and
 cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority
 seems to be failing in restoring order."

Serdar Argic


Do you mean that MSW3.1 is objectively inferior in _some_ respects (which
is trivially true), that it is objectively inferior in _all_ respecets
(which is trivially false) or do you mean something else? What criteria
have you chosen for your objective assesment? Are you sure that these
criteria are themselves objective?


        I had to turn to one of my problem sets that I did in class for this
little problem.  I don't have a calculator, but I DO have the problem set that
we did not too long ago, so I'll use that, and hope it's what you wanted.
This is a highly simplified problem, with a very simple burst.  Bursts are
usually more complex than this example I will use here.
        Our burst has a peak flux of 5.43E-6 ergs cm^-2 sec^-1 and a duration
of 8.95 seconds.  During the frst second of the burst, and the last 4 seconds,
its flux is half of the peak flux.  It's flux is the peak flux the rest of the
time.  Assume that the background flux is 10E-7 erg cm^-2 sec^-1.
        Then we had to find the integrated luminosity of the burst, for several
different spheres: R=.25pc(Oort Cloud Radius), R=22.5pc(at the edge of the
galaxy), R=183.5pc or the edge of the galactic corona, and lastly at a
R=8800Mpc.
        We integrated the flux over all time to find the fluence, then used the
old standby formula:
                        Luminosity=4(pi)(r^2)Fpeak
        For a radius of .25 pc, we found an L around 10^32 erg/sec.  Pretty
energetic for close by.  for the coronal model, we found around 10^43 erg/sec.
And lastly, for the cosmological model an L=10^53. That's what you'd call
moderately energetic, I'd say.  Any suggestions about what could put out that
much energy in one second?
                                                -jeremy


    [re a true 24 bit XV]

Don't mind if I do.
As someone who would _love_ to see XV go to 24 bit, this
would be plenty for me.

    a) XV can Load a 24 bit image, and display it in all it's
24 bit glory on 24 bit X displays.
    b) All other operations (Crop, Dither, Smooth, etc.) are not
supported on 24 bit images.

how hard would this be?


This is a RFD on a proposal for a newsgroup which would promote a
sharing on the "Johannine hours" as proposed each month by the monks of
the ecumenical community of Taize (pronounced te-zay) in France.

NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP:
==========================

soc.religion.taize (Unmoderated)

PURPOSE OF THE GROUP:
====================

The Taize Community is an international ecumenical community of monks
based in France. Many young adults come there to search for meaning in
their life and to deepen their understanding of their faith through a
sharing with others. This newsgroup will allow such a sharing through a
monthly "Johannine Hour" which will be posted at the beginning of each
month. A "Johannine hour" involves a short commentary on a given Bible
passage, followed by some questions for reflection.  Any thoughts that
may arise in consequence and that you wish to share with others can be
posted here. We are not interested in theological debate, and even less
in polemics. No expertise is required! The idea is to help one another
to deepen our understanding of Scripture as it is related to our own
life-journey.

The idea of "Johannine hours" was born in Taize as a simple response
to all those who were trying to assimilate the Bible's message in the
midst of their daily life. Because of work or studies, it is often
impossible to spend long hours in silence and reflection, but
everyone can take an hour from time to time to enter a church, sit
quietly at home or go out for a walk in the woods. There, in silence,
we can meditate on a passage of Scripture to listen to the voice of
Christ.

During the time of silence, it is important to concentrate on what we
understand and not waste time worrying if, in some Biblical expressions,
we find it difficult to hear the voice of Christ. The idea is to
communicate to others what we have understood of Christ, not burdening
them with our own hesitations but rather telling them what has brought
us joy, what has led us to run the risk of trusting more deeply.

Perhaps those who read and think about the "Johannine Hours" in this
newsgroup could share their reflections and discoveries with others.

The important thing is the complementarity between two aspects, the
personal aspect of silent, personal reflection and the communal aspect
of sharing, which through Usenet makes us a part of a worldwide network.

BACKGROUND OF THE TAIZE COMMUNITY:
=================================

The following provides some background information on the life and
vocation of the Taize (pronounced te-zay) community.

"A PARABLE OF COMMUNION": August 1940, with Europe in the grip of
World War II, Brother Roger, aged 25, set up home in the almost
abandoned village of Taize, in Eastern France. His dream: to bring
together a monastic community which would live out "a parable of
community", a sign of reconciliation in the midst of the distress of
the time. Centering his life on prayer, he used his house to conceal
refugees, especially Jews fleeing from the Nazi occupation.

AN INTERNATIONAL AND ECUMENICAL COMMUNITY: Taize's founder spent the
first two years alone. Others joined him later and at Easter 1949,
seven brothers committed themselves together to common life and
celibacy. Year by year, still others have entered the community, each
one making a lifelong commitment after several years of preparation.
Today, there are 90 brothers, Catholics and from various Protestant
backgrounds, from over twenty different countries. Some of them are
living in small groups in poor neighbourhoods in Asia, Africa, North
and South America. The brothers accept no donations or gifts for
themselves, not even family inheritances, and the community holds no
capital. The brothers earn their living and share with others
entirely through their own work. In 1966, Sisters of Saint Andrew, an
international Catholic community founded 750 years ago, came to live
in the neighbouring village, to share the responsibility of welcoming
people in Taize.

TAIZE AND THE YOUNG; THE INTERCONTINENTAL MEETINGS: Young adults, and
less young, have been coming to Taize in ever greater numbers since
1957. Hundreds of thousands of people from Europe and far beyond have
thus been brought together in a common search. Intercontinental
meetings take place each week, Sunday to Sunday, throughout the year
and they include youth from between 35 and 60 countries during any
one week. The meetings give each person the opportunity to explore
the roots of their faith and to reflect on how to unite the inner
life and human solidarity. The meetings in summer can have up to
6,000 participants a week. Three times every day, the brothers and
everybody on the hill come together for common prayer in the Church
of Reconciliation, built in 1962 when the village church became too
small.

"A PILGRIMAGE OF TRUST ON EARTH" The community has never wanted to
create a "movement" around itself. Instead, people are called to
commit themselves in their church at home, in their neighbourhood,
their city or village. To support them in this, Taize has created
what it calls "a pilgrimage of trust on earth". At the end of each
year, the pilgrimage has a "European meeting" which brings together
tens of thousands of young adults from every part of Europe for
several days in a major city. There have also been meetings in Asia
and in the United States. Every year, Brother Roger writes an open
letter to the young. Usually completed during a stay in one of the
poor regions of the world, these are translated into thirty languages
and provide themes for reflexion for the following year.

NOTE:  Discussion on the creation of this newsgroup will take place in
       news.groups.

For any further information contact: Brother.Roy@almac.co.uk

               brother.roy@almac.co.uk


Yes Russ, there is.
QuinZip is a Windows version but I don't think it handles
all the functions available in the DOS version.

Last I looked QuinZip could be found on the Monash University (Australia)
mirror site of Cica, so I'd assume it's still on Cica itself
and other mirrors.

Have a look in the /util(s?) directory for a file called
qzip21.zip.


: >	I have an Ethernet card that i took out off an old LC. The card
: >	is manufactured by Asante. On it i can read:
: >	"Asante Tech, inc. Copyright 1991. MACCON + LC REV.B".
: >	The card has an fpu socket on it. It provides thin Ethernet connector
: >	and there's another connector on it which resembels to phone connectors.
: >
: >	My questions are:
: >	- Will this card work on any other model than LC-serie ?, given that
: >	it's a PDS card, will it work with the IIsi PDS slot ?. I think there
: >	may be a probleme because the LC has 16 bit wide slots.
: It probably won't work with any other LC.  The ones I have for the LC II
: are Rev. D.  No, it won't work in the IIsi's PDS slot since it's a 68030
: PDS, while the LC has the 68020 PDS.  The IIsi and SE/30 share the same
: kind of card.

  Ok, i see. Does Asante propose any upgrade for their cards ?. Do they have
  an email adress so i can ask them directly ?. Their Phone number will be
  Ok, even if i pay the overseas call i'm really willing to know what to do
  with this card.


From article <1993Apr27.004240.24401@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>, by eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Eldred):


Now, while I wouldn't recommend doing this while moving,

(Maybe Mike Beaverton can complain to you awhile! :/ )

you might not want to countersteer if you're just sitting
in the driveway...

<sounds of Rick falling off bike, muttering, "Damn, coulda
sworn that's how they told me in the MSF course!!?" >


Hi, there,
    I'm trying to build X11R5 mit core distribution on a SparcStation running
SunOS 4.1.1. The only thing I change is the ProjectRoot in site.def. When the
"make World" process goes to "cc -o xdm ...", I get the following error:

ld: Undefined symbol
   __C0095A2A
*** Error code 2

And the process continues to finish. Does anybody know what's wrong? Thanx for
any info.


I solved my problem.  I still do not understand why it happens ths
way; perhaps some of you C++ gurus can explain this to all of us!

For some reason when I define the following functins in the class
definition (in the .h file) the compiler thinks some pure virtual
functions are not defined.  When I placed these two in a separate
source file and compiled them, the problem went away.  Any ideas what
happen?  Are the functions that are defined in the class construct all
inline ?  Is this the problem?

virtual int            isEqual (const Object _FAR &obj) const
{ return this == &(HashEntry&) obj; }

virtual void           printOn( Rostream os) const
{
 os << "[ HWindow is " << (void _FAR *) hWindow << " ]\n";
}
--


These are MY last words on the subject

Some people think it enhances the flavor.  I personally don't think it
helps the taste, it makes me sick, so I try to avoid it.

Well, I know that MSG effects ME adversely - maybe not permanently but
at least temporarily enough that I like to try to avoid the stuff.

EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why can't people learn to cook from scratch *ON* the net.  I've gotten
LOTS of recipes off the net that don't use additives.

If you LIKE additives then get off the net and go to your local
supermarket, buy lots of packaged foods, and YOU get OFF THE NET!!

I don't!!

HEY - I'll pay *MY* hard earned dollars to buy food that costs more
but does NOT have preservatives.  I choose to speak with my pocketbook
in many ways.

Nacho cheese Doritos, breading for MANY frozen fried foods (like fish
and chicken), etc. ad naseum.

Or the "and other natural flavorings syndrome."  It's been a few years
since I've bought anything labelled with "and other natural
flavorings".

Well, I had had similar reactions many times.  That was when I really
started WATCHING CAREFULLY - reaction to Doritos - hey guess what's in
there - reaction to Lawry's season salt - guess what's in THERE

I'll give you a hint - I've had enough problems with MANY MANY MANY
different products with MSG that I figured out one thing.

UNLESS I plan on getting sick - I won't eat the stuff without my
Seldane.  And did I ever learn to read labels.

Which was why I started checking EVERY time I got sick.  And EVERY
time I got sick MSG was somehow involved in one of the food products.
And consider there were no other similar ingredients (to my knowledge)
- it might not please a medical researcher - but it pleased my own
personal physician enough for him to give me allergy medicine and MOST
IMPORTANTLY it's enough proof for ME to avoid it (and enough proof
that my INCREDIBLY frugal fiance didn't flinch when I literally threw
out or gave away all the food products in his pantry that had msg -
and he always flinches when there's waste - but it was a simple
explanation - I won't eat this stuff, I WON'T cook with this stuff, so
I can either throw it out or give it away.)

Probably Lawry's seasoning salt.  I LOVE the way that tastes.

I'm not saying I NEVER consume ANYTHING with MSG.  I've noticed that I
have a certain tolerance level - like a (small) bag of bbq chips once
a month or so it not a problem - but that same bag of chips will
bother me if I also had chicken bouillon yesterday and lunch at one of
the Chinese restaurants the day before.

But - some say that only 2% of the population has a problem with MSG -
some say it's more like 20% - but let's say that it's 5%.  How many
people would have to be tested that would have a problem?  Also - I
KNOW I have a problem with it, and I wouldn't VOLUNTEER for a test.
Like thanks guys but I don't WANT to get sick.  Also - I'm sure that
most people probably have varying degrees of sensitivities at
different times.  If I have a cold I'm MUCH more susceptible to the
reaction than when I'm healthy (as proven today - when I'm stuffy but
for some silly reason I still gave in and decided to have the BBQ
chips ;}).

Cathy doesn't - I haven't saved all my postings but I NEVER called it
"chinese restaurant syndrome" and I NEVER stated I got it only from
Chinese food.  I just thought it would be easiest to conduct my
personal test at a Chinese take out place that I knew would hold (or
not hold) the MSG.  I can't call up whoever makes Doritos and ask them
to make me ONE back of chips without MSG.

Well, I believe I mentioned that in an earlier post

Let's see you wrote this message at

Date: 20 Apr 1993 00:09:31 -0500

but on

Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:33:18 GMT

OH - and just in case anyone thinks I'm prejudice against either
Chinese food or Asian people - I'm not going home to cook some Chinese
food for the guy I'm marrying next week.  Incidentally, his last name
is Wu.

SO STOP IT WITH THE FLAME MAIL

--
Why does a woman work ten years to change a man's habits and then
complain that he's not the man she married?
  -- Barbra Streisand


I have the following Laser Discs forsale.  All are in original covers.  They are all in excellent condition,  I've watched them so many times and I can't see myself watching them again.  I'm asking $20 per disc.

Terminator
Road Warrior
Hook
Ghost
Robo Cop
Repo Man
Romancing the Stone
Lost Boys
Dark Man
Robinhoood Prince of Thieves
Total Recall


Really when you come down to it who cares. I just hope MS keeps doing
what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses.
Thx Dave L


   Surely you are not equating David Koresh with Christianity? The two are
   not comparable.


Small Comic Collection For Sale.

All issues are NM unless otherwise noted.  Prices are flexible for large
purchases.  Buyer pays shipping.

NM+ means the comic was ordered and bagged with backing upon arrival, and has
*never* been read or opened.  Numbers in parenthesis represent the number of
multiple copies.

60% Graded Price
----------------

Fantasy Masterpieces (Silver Surfer, second series)
	#8 NM-
Firestorm (original series)
	#1 F
	 2-5 F
The Fury of Firestorm (second series)
	#3,6
Human Fly
	#1 VF
Human Torch
	#1 VF-
Indiana Jones
	#2 NM+
Kazar
	#19-21
Legion of Super Heroes
	#293 VF
Machine Man
	#8,9 G		(2001: A Space Oddessy, origin of)
	 1 F
	 6 F
Micronauts
	#1 VF
	 19,20,46,47
New Gods
	#1 F
	 19 F
Outsiders
	#3,4 NM+
Ragman
	#5 F
Rom
	#1 VF
	 4 VF
Secret Origins (Blue Beetle)
	#2
Secret Wars II
	#2-5 VF
	 6 (2) NM+
	 8
	 9 (2)
Shade, The Changing Man (original series)
	#1 VG
	 2,5 VG
Thing
	#26-30 VF
Thor
	#361 VF
The Mighty Thor
	#13 (dbl iss)

75% Graded Price
----------------

Ambush Bug Stocking Stuffer
	#1
Avengers
	#259-262
	 263
	 264-267
Batman & The Outsiders
	#29,30
Beauty & The Beast (4-issues)
	#1-2 NM-
Cloak & Dagger
	#1 VF+/NM-
	 2-5
Daredevil
	#192(5), 193 NM+
	 221-225 NM+
Deadman (Haney & Adams)
	#7
Deadman (Helfer & Lopez, 4-issue limited series)
	#1
Doctor Strange
	#74
Fantastic Four
	#281-284 VF
	 286 VF
	 287-290 VF
Firestar (4-iss)
	#1(2) NM+
Hercules (4-iss)
	#1(2), 2, 3 (2)
	 4 VF (date stamp)
Iron Man
	#98,102 F
	 126,127 VF
	 197-199
	 200 NM+ (dbl iss)
	 202
	 203 (2)
	 204,205
Laser Eraser and Pressbutton (Eclipse)
	#1 (2)
Marvel Fanfare (Epic)
	#7
Marvel Universe
	#2 NM+
	 4,5 NM+
Moonshadow (Epic, 12-issues)
	#6,7
Nightcrawler (4-iss)
	#1(2)
	 2,3
Squadron Supreme (12-iss)
	#1 VF
	 2,3,4,6,7
Vision & The Scarlet Witch (4-iss)
	#1 (4) NM+
Vision & The Scarlet Witch (12-iss)
	#1 NM-
	 2-5
X-Men & Alpha Flight (2-iss)
	#1

85% Graded Price
----------------

Alien Legion (Epic, 12-issues)
	#10
Alpha Flight
	#1 NM-
	 2
	 3,10
	 19,22-24
	 25-26 (2)
	 27,28
	 29-30
	 31 (2)
	 32
Crisis on Infinite Earths
	#5-6
	 7
	 8
	 9-10(2),11
	 12(2)
Daredevil (Miller written and drawn)
	#187,188,189(2) NM+
Elfquest (Warp, third printing)
	#1 NM-
Hulk (both Byrne)
	#314 (2)
	 318
Marc Spector: Moon Knight
	#1
	 3 (4)
	 4 (3)
	 5-6 (2)
New Mutants
	#22-30
	31-37,40,54,55
X-Factor
	#2 (2)
X-Men
	#138
	 163 VF
	 167
	 168 (2)
	 196,199

Serious inquiries only
----------------------

Alpha Flight
	#17		X-Men crossover
	 33		Wolverine appearance
Daredevil
	#226 NM+	Miller plot
	 227 NM+	Miller script starts
	 228 NM+	Miller
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
	#1 (3) NM+ (second printing, comic size)
	 4 (7) NM+ (first printing, magazine size)
	 5 (4) NM+ (first printing, comic size)
	Michelangelo #1 (9) NM+ (original printing)
	Fugitoid #1 (3) NM+ (original printing)
	Raphael #1 NM+ (original printing)
X-Factor
	#1 (5) NM+
X-Men & The New Teen Titans (Marvel/D.C. crossover, w/Darkseid)
	#1 NM-


  [...]

Some of the Davidians *are* black.

Next question?


DK>.@SUBJECT:VHS Movies [must sell because I am moving]                  N
DK>.@FROM   :koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu                                      N
DK>Newsgroups: misc.forsale,rec.video
DK>Subject: VHS Movies [must sell because I am moving]
DK>Message-ID: <1993Apr22.095736.1@hiramb.hiram.edu>
DK>From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
DK>Date: 22 Apr 93 09:57:36 -0500
DK>Organization: Hiram College

DK>Those VHS movies have to be sold because I am moving in 6 weeks.
DK>And I have no idea what happend to those people who made the
DK>deal with me before. So here I am, trying to post another message,
DK>againt. ( I don't mean to waste your valuable time.)

DK>Basic Instinct                  $11.00
DK>Born on the Forth of July       $11.00
DK>Backdraft                       $11.00
DK>Presumed Innocent               $11.00
DK>The Prince of Tides             $11.00
DK>Dance of Wolves                 $11.00

DK>All the prices are including shipping. You get all of them for
DK>$60.00.

DK>Package deals are very welcome...

DK>So make me an offer...

DK>Douglas Kou
DK>Hiram College
DK>koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Douglas,
     Hi, I'd like to purchase "Basic Instinct" for $11.  All of my other
     notes to you have been returned.  I don't know why.  It  keeps
     saying address unknown.  Please let me know if this movie is still
     available.  Thank you.
        Jordan McAuley in Atlanta
        dita@info-gw.blackwlf.mese.com
---
 . SLMR 2.0 .


I use WD-40.

Try WD-40.

Xavier


Howdy,

I recently upgraded the original BIOS in a Compaq Deskpro 286/12
with a Phoenix replacement BIOS, in order to support an IDE hard drive,
and a high-density 3.5" floppy.

I assumed that this would be a plug-and-play procedure, but I have
encountered a problem that Phoenix and Compaq are unwilling to admit
responsibilty for, and I was wondering if anyone else had seen it.

Everything is hunky-dory except the 3.5" floppy, which will read, but NOT
WRITE diskettes.  Any write attempt merely corrupts both FATs.

I have tried everything I can think of.

Any takers?


Does anybody have an idea how to model a tunnel diode on SPICE?
Thank you.


Excerpts from rec.autos: 26-Apr-93 Re: REVIEW: 1989 Ford Tauru.. by Mark
W. Rice@mozart.Colu
david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (Dav

One more way, which works in manual trans cars I've driven, and it is my
personal favorite (the other suggestions above are great, but try this
one, too).

While pushing the shifter *gently* towards reverse, let the clutch out
slowly (right to the friction point) and the shifter will be pulled into
position. If you do it right, the car won't jump backward, nor will the
gears grind.... You will just glide back.


Can anyone tell me where to find a standard VESA display driver that will
support the on-the-motherboard XGA video of a 486 50Mz DX2 IBM Model 95
(8595-0LF)?  I need to use 640 x 480 and higher resolutions under both
Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS.  Minimum colors 256 at highest resolution, with 64K
colors needed at 640 x 480.


Right?  What right?  And don't you mean something more like: It so
typical that the wants of the minority can obstruct the wants of the
majority, no matter how ridiculous those minority wants might be or
what benefits those majority wants might have?

[My sole connection with the project is that I spent a lot of time in
classes at the University of Colorado.]

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


If he gives you the same story explaining the presence of several
synagogues in the "Moslem Quarter", then the story becomes suspect...

In reality, the Old City was not as neighborhooded in the past as it
became after 1948.  In pre-Israel Jerusalem, there were many Jews in
what is now called the Moslem Quarter.  There are postal and telephone
directories from that time to prove it.  It's really rather
interesting to hear Arabs there claim that a house or store has been
in the family for centuries even when there are clear photos and
documents that show a Jewish-owned business at the same location just
a few decades ago.


Looking at your discussion I would say that you both operate
from your own reference frame. There's no inside and no outside,
there are just two polarized views. As for statements inside the
Bible, things are still not that clear, we don't have any indications
for instance why Jobs was placed in the Old Testament, one of the
few books that actually talks about Satan. Jobs is very much out
of line with the rest of the OT books, and there's a chance that
someone added this book later into the group of OT scriptures.

This operates the other way around as well. You have to understand
the mind of an atheist, agnostic, or as in my case, a radical
relativist. If you don't understand the underlying concepts, it is
pretty hard to continue with a dialogue. I'm not a perfect Christian,
however about 20+ years of Christian teaching should have provided
me with a pretty good picture of the Christian mind frame.

Cheers,
Kent


The May issue of PC/Computing page 246 has a Windows hint and tips for
just this thing.  You have to edit the WIN.INI file and add a couple
of lines.  I tried it and it works.  I actually made my Title bar
and iconized text, and icon text smaller.  On my monitor it works well.
You can select a larger font also.  You edit the WIN.INI file with
a font name in your system directory.  Read the article because I would
not want to retype it here in case I type errored and caused your
system problems.

C-ya..... /\/\artin


I like the Clark-WIlliams-Bonds order.
Pitchers can only walk Clark with 2 outs (unlike last year).

Williams is getting better pitches to hit with Bonds looming
in the on-deck circle.  Since Matt has a terrible batting eye,
this helps the Giants a lot.

When Bonds gets on base all by himself, he can try to steal 2nd
and then be driven in with a single by Thompson, Manwaring, or Clayton.

If you bat Bonds before the other sluggers, then you don't want
him to run because a "caught stealing" could take you out of a
big inning.

Also Bonds is less in need of protection behind him because he
is such a good base stealer (a walk is a potential double).

The only draw back is when Clark and Williams are clogging up the
bases infront of Bonds... and I think that's a problem the
Giants will be glad to see especially if Robby Thompson gets hot.


When they're not important, yes.  All scientists do.  Otherwise science would
never get anywhere.

Hang about -- not atomic interactions in general.  Just specific ones which
are deemed unimportant.  Like gravitational interactions between ions, which
are so small they're drowned out by electrostatic effects, and so on.

Oh, probably.  They still make people memorize equations and IR spectra.
Maybe in a few decades they'll discover the revolutionary "data book"
technique.


Article #61175 (61302 is last):
From: qwerty@tunisia.ssc.gov (Kris Schludermann)
Subject: HELP:IDE Drive installation problems
Date: Thu Apr 22 12:11:58 1993

I'm having trouble with installing a second IDE drive on a Promise IDE caching
controller. The first drive is a conner 3204 and works fine. The second drive
is a conner 30174, it is currently unjumpered  to be the slave drive. The
problem is the slave drive is recognized but is reported back as having no
free space. Disabling cache has made no effect. What else should I check for?

krispy
End of File, Press RETURN to quit

Krispy,
Lets start with what Promise controller that you have. Ther are only
about 4 or 6 of them made. The one that I have the DC-99m needs
nothing done but install it as stated. As to the 2th. hd you do know
about running FDISK on it and partisitions and then formatting it
after your finished with the fdisk operation right!....Sam


Boy are you going to look silly in a couple of weeks.


I have an old Apple RGB Monitor for a IIGS which
looks a whole lot like the 12" Monitor.  I have the
sneaking suspicion that if I had the right cable I
could use it on my Mac.

Does anyone know if my suspicions are correct or
am I just full of it.


I understand Robert Centor has a program called ROC ANALYZER, that can be
used to do receiver operating characteristic (ROC) curve analysis. Does
anyone know if this is avaliable from an FTP site? If not, does anyone
know how to get a copy of it?

==============================


Tonight will see the Toronto Maple Leafs, as some have guessed, come out
hitting!  The "Buds" will grind Detroit into the ground and walk away with
home ice advantage for the remainder of the series... which given a shift to
Toronto, will not last long.  (Keep in mind this is only a predicition).
Wendall will have to get into the game however otherwise Probert will
dominate on the physical front.


I came. I lurked. I read the FAQ.

Now having purchased the recommended books, and having taken to heart the advice that
one knows nothing about crypto without having done a stint as a cryptanalyst, I would like
to correspond with people interested in cryptology.

I am working on implementing the cryptanalyst's workbench example in Booch's OOD with
Applications. I hope to start sending ciphers back and forth so each of us can practice cracking
them.  I would like to start with simple Ceaser's ciphers and progress roughly according to
David Kahn's book. Of course I would be interested in general discussions and math also.

I hope to have some foriegn correspondants so that we can test the response time of the
"men in the suits" I've been hearing so much about. Unfortunately as a product of the American
education system I only know English.

Looking forward to any and all responses.

James


Apparently, the only place to take the MSF course around
here in NC is at a community college.

That woudl preclude some sort of state
subsidation, then, no?


I have a fairly severe high frequency hearing loss. A recent rough test
showed a gently sloping loss to 10-20db down at 1000cps. Then it falls off
a cliff to 70-80dbs down from 1500cps on.  This type of loss is difficult
to fit. I am currently using some old siemens behind the ear aids which
keep me roughly functional, but leave a lot to be desired.

Recently I had an opportunity to test the Widex Q8 behind the ear aids for
several weeks. These have four independent programs which are intended to
be customized for different hearing situations and can be reprogramed. I
found them to be a definite improvement over my current aids and was about
to go ahead with them until another local outfit advertised a free trial of
another programmable system called ReSound.

Unfortunately I was only able to try the ReSound aids in their office for
about 30 minutes and I couldn't compare them 'head to head' with the Widex.
Nevertheless, it did appear to me that they were superior and I was
impressed by what I was able to read about the theory behind them which I
will give in a separate posting. They also carry the Widex aids and had one
patient (presumably wealthy) who decided to go ahead and get the ReSound
even though he had purchased the Widex only 6 months ago.

The problem is that the ReSound aids are about twice as expensive as the
Widex and other programmable aids. I could take a trip to Europe on the
difference!  Being a lover of bargains and hating to spend money, I am
having a hard time persuading myself to go with the ReSounds. I would
appreciate any opinions on this and other hearing aids and projections
about when and if I might see improvements in technology that aren't quite
so expensive.


Can anyone out there tell me Babe Ruth's complete pitching stats? I know he
was 5-0 as a pitcher for the Yankees, but what were his numbers when he was
with the Red Sox? Thanks in advance!


I have a 105MB IDE drive and am having a few problems! I get
'Data error on drive C' messages when reading some files. The problem is
also steadily getting worse.

I have run some diagnostic software (PCTools V7.1) and it says that the
drive is OK - but it does have to retry some sectors and it briefly
flashes up an error message (which is too quick to read).

Does anybody know of any cheap or free software which could mark these
sectors as bad (DOS doesn't) or preferably perform a low level format.
I have heard that the latter is possible on an IDE. Technical answers
would be appreciated. It would be nice to be able to use the disk again!!!


Anton LaVey's interpretation of Satanism has always puzzled me.  I
read his "Satanic Bible" a few years ago for a social studies project,
as well as a book by Arthur Lyons called "The Cult of Devil Worship
in America."  The latter included a very interesting interview with
the Black Pope in which he did indeed say that Satan was merely an
instrument for one to realize the self.

When I refer to Satanism, I am referring to the mishmash of rural Satanic
ritualism and witchcraft which existed before the Church of Satan.  I
don't consider LaVey's church to be at all "orthodox," nor do I consider
its followers "satanists."  LaVey combined the philosophies of Nietzsche,
Crowley, and Reich, slapped in some religious doctrine, added a little
touch of P.T. Barnum, and christened his creation the Church of Satan.
No doubt the title was a calculated attempt to attract attention...I
suppose he could have just as easily called it the Church of Free Sex.

At any rate, it worked (for a while).  In its heyday, the Church had a
huge following, including such Hollywood celebrities as Sammy Davis, Jr.
and Jayne Mansfield.  (I have a picture of LaVey with Sammy, by the
way.)

I find the idea of a Satanist not believing in Satan about as credible as
a Christian not believing in Christ.  But if you include the Church of
Satan, then I suppose I need to alter my definition.  Webster's Dictionary
and The American Heritage Dictionary will have to do the same.


I have a brand new, never used 12 inch mac to scsi cable for sale.  I'm
asking for $15 + shipping......tell me if this is too high....i don't think
it is..

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Hello again,

About a week and one-half ago I posted a query looking for people feelings
on the inkjet family of printers.  Specifically, a comparison between the
Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500.  Many people
asked me to post the summary/account of all the postings and e-mail I
received.  Below is my original query and the responses I received.  I have
not deleted any part of the responses, only the headers and signatures, so
you can extract what you find necessary.  Some people asked me for an
unbiased account; however, the very nature of the question suggests
favoritism and biased comments, you must extract the information you
believe unbiased and a fair representation of each printer.  There are a
wide range of comments, each has its own value.

There was no clear winner, some like the BJ200 (especially its
price/performance ratio), others preferred the durability and reliability
of the DeskJet (the original inkjet with proven drivers and a solid
background).  Two new inkjet printers have drawn some attention, a new
printer to be introduced by Hewlett-Packard later this year (around
summertime), and an addition to the Epson product line (their first
inkjet).  You will find that after the initial purchase, the costs of
re-filling or replacing the ink cartridges are about the same (this largely
depends on where you purchase the re-fills or replacements -- so shop
around first since this aspect will most likely dominate the cost of your
printer).  No one mentioned approx. how many sheets each ink cartridge will
print, but I suspect they are roughly equal at about 1000 - 1500 sheets
(laser printers will do 4000-5000 sheets per toner cartridge).  Well,
that's a brief research summary of my personal research.  ENJOY!

===========================================================================

Well I bought the BJ 200 about a month ago at the start of their $50 rebate
program on that printer (it ends 5/31), and I bought it from Computer
Discount Warehouse because their price of $325 couldn't be beat anywhere I
looked, and I think it's a HOT printer.  Just using regular copier paper
produced fantastic results just in high quality mode.  I compared the
output of a Micrografx Designer legal size drawing with 4pt type done on my
BJ 200 with the same drawing printed on an HP Laserjet IID and I was amazed
how well I could read the small print on the BJ 200.  Printing speed was
several seconds faster on the BJ 200 which is amazing considering that the
HP has 2.5M ram installed.  I measured the time from when the printer first
indicated it was receiving data (as I used print manager in Windows).

I showed the output to several people at work and one manager bought one
immediately for his office, and two other engineers placed their orders
too.  If you need CDW's phone number, it's 800-598-4239.  Delivery to NY
was two days.

Good luck!

Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc.
Glen Rock,  NJ

===========================================================================

I own a Deskjet 500. Performance isn't spectacular under Windows using
TrueType fonts but neither is the Canon from what I have seen. Quality for
the HP is very much dependent on paper quality - on 'standard' photo-copy
paper the characters have slightly 'frayed' edges but on better quality
'distinction' type paper things look better. For most applications I find
copy paper fine - still better than dot-matrix.  Comes with a Windows
driver, which seems to by-pass print manager, has a few
'intelli-fonts'which are HP scaleable fonts - probably faster than TrueType
but haven't really tried them out. Can get RAM & FONT cartridges but unless
the speed of TrueType is a problem I wouldn't bother. The RAM cartridges
can't be used as buffer - soft fonts only.

For graphics, i.e. BMP images etc the HP can be put into a dither mode via
the HP supplied Win driver. There a number of dither options such as
'scatter', 'pattern' etc.  The manual gives recommendations depending on
the type of image being printed.  Text is not so good in this mode. Problem
arises when you have a document which contains both graphic and text.  The
range of tones for graphic images isn't brilliant but I think that is more
of a limitation with inkjet printers in general.

However, a printer definitely worth looking at is the new inkjet from
Epson.  This printer is faster, cheaper, and capable of producing
laser-like quality on normal copier paper.  Can't remember the model #, LX
- something I think?

I purchased my HP days before the Epson was released here :-{.  The
introductory price on the Epson was the same as the HP here in New Zealand.

===========================================================================

About a month ago, I got a Canon BJ200.  I absolutely LOVE it.  It is
incredibly fast, except for printing from PSPICE (I don't know if you ever
do stuff with that or not.)  Most of the stuff I print is either from
Microsoft Word for Windows or just plain text.  The only problems I've had
are printing headers/footers (the printer freaked out), and printing on
cheap paper (lots of streaks).  Normal copy paper works great with it, you
can only tell it's not laser-printed by holding it, oh, less than twelve
inches from your face.  (That is, if you're nearsighted, like me! :) ) The
printer comes with its own driver for Windows 3.1!!  I have no other
complaints.  The printer also can act just like some EPSON or another for
those archaic software packages that haven't written a driver for it yet.
The teeny-weeny footprint is a real plus, too--AND, if you purchase it
between now and May 31, you get a $50 rebate from Canon!!  I bought mine
from a store called CompUSA, and the price now is $340.  I have a friend
who has the HP you are looking at.  It also prints very well, and everyone
has drivers for it, BUT it is VERY slow!

Hope I helped!

(360dpi sure looks great!)

Heather Stehman

===========================================================================

  I guess I have some experience with both: I have a BJ-300 at work and a
Deskjet 500 at home.  I prefer the Deskjet.  The printing speed and quality
are similar (I tested both with text and graphics before buying the Deskjet
for home).  The feature that sets the Deskjet apart is the driver support
in so many applications.  The BJ ends up emulating the Epson LQ or IBM
Proprinter to get it to work with many non-windows apps and this will be
the case for a long time.  The design is superior if you just want to use
cut paper, the Deskjet is quieter, AND the ink cartridges are quite a bit
cheaper due to the number of Deskjets out there in comparision to the BJs.

  Just my $0.02 worth..

--
Mike Mattix
Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
Luling, LA 70070
INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com

===========================================================================

  Yes, there is the landscape mode printing problem, but it does not
present a problem in Windows as the Windows printer driver handles the
translation.  I actually thought of some other points after I posted the
note.  The Deskjet has an unprintable area of approximately .5inch around
the paper the Bubblejet does not.  You are right about the graphics
resolutions, I tested the printers with the applications I had access to:
Wordperfect, Harvard Graphics, WinGIF, Paintshop PRO, and Paintbrush and
could not tell a difference.  In fact one of the HP Deskjet Windows drivers
gives you significant control over the contrast and density of the printer
hence controlling the amount of ink you put down.  The Bubblejet did not.
I had no imaging software to test the printers with and so had no
comparision there.  Finally, I wanted sheet feeding.  In that configuration
the Bubblejet cost approximately $100 more than the Deskjet.

I went through a pretty thorough evaluation and chose the Deskjet when I
spent my own money.  BTW, I am replacing the BJ-300 with a Deskjet 500 at
work this month anyway.

Regards

Mike Mattix
Ag Group of Monsanto
Luling, LA

===========================================================================

I spent some time comparing the two.  We ended up getting the Bubblejet
BJ-200 versus the HP.  Our reasons were:

1) The HP seemed to have worse banding than the Canon
2) 360dpi versus 300 - we felt we could see the difference
3) Price - Canon has a $50 rebate program going on at the moment.

The BJ-200 was our choice over the BJ-10ex - we could have 100 pages in the
BJ-200 feeder.  The BJ-10ex holds only 30 pages, I think.

As you can see, up to 100 pages on the BJ-200.  We haven't done anything
big with the BJ, but its performance seems reasonable under Windows.  I
know that the Microsoft BBS has a newer windows driver than comes with the
printer, but I don't know how it compares (also the driver included with
the printer is Canon's whereas I don't know where the Microsoft BBS one
comes from - Microsoft?)

Hope this helps.
--
Thomas V. Frauenhofer, WA2YYW
tvf@cci.com, ...!uunet!uupsi!cci632!tvf, tvf@cs.rit.edu
Mandlebratwurst: The Meal that Eats Itself!

===========================================================================

Altough I'm sometimes also a salesperson (if I'm not suppost to study :-))
I would recommend to buy the BJ200. The printing quality is a bit better,
but you you've got much more possiblities. Don't forget the HP engine is at
least 2 years on the marked, the Canon engine (witch is also used in
other "new" bubblejet printers like e.g. the Epson ones) is quite recently
available..

I've seen during a short demonstration (from someone who tryed to sell me
Canon printers) 2 times the same picture, one printed with the BJ200, one
with the Canon, the other with the HP, and.. there was a difference in
printing- quality,.. The Canon was a bit better..

Greetz,

Kris

===========================================================================

When we decided we needed quiet printers in our hospital we looked to
inkjet printers.  They have near laser quality, speed, and they are quiet.
We use both HP Deskjets and the Canon BJ-200s.  I prefer the paper handling
qualities of the Deskjets but I feel the Canons have superior print
quality.  The Ideal would be a Canon with a sheet feeder, however I did end
up buying a deskjet for home use (got too good a deal).  Anyway, we are
using Canons in high volume areas and they are holding up very well.  Out
of 15 Deskjets and 4 BJ-200s I have only had one problem with a deskjet and
that was taken care of very quickly by HP.

							-Nate

===========================================================================

Whenever I buy anything I look at what the "experts" say, pick out the top
few and then buy on whatever criteria are the most apt.  I've been
unusually flush lately (no begging letter please) and so I've done this a
few times including - about four months ago - with inkjet printers.

I can't remember much about the process except that I read about three
reviews of inkjets and that the 500 was always at or near the top.  I
bought the 500C because of the added dimension of colour (I intend to build
a multi- media machine at some stage and have just bought a colour scanner
towards that).  Although I haven's used the colour thing in earnest yet I
tried it out on a couple of Windows bitmaps and I was pleased with the
result.

I note that even though you can now get the 550C (the one with both colour
and mono with no need to change the cartridge), the 500C and 500 are still
readily available (at least in the UK).  The following are my
views/experience:

	1.	I don't know anything about the Canon except that I came away
		from reviews (and replies to a posting similar to yours) with
		the idea that the HP offered the best performance/price ratio.

	2.	I believe HP are the originals in the field - not always the
		ideal place to be but the market's still young so one assumes
		they have the expertise.

	3.	The 500C is worth the extra.  Operation in mono is perfectly
		acceptable and I get good crisp reproduction of fonts from
		Windows.

	4.	I used to work for Monotype when they still manufactured
		typesetters (before their AMERICAN owners closed them down!)
		and I can tell you that in terms of definition 300 dpi is
		pretty poor anyway so 360 dpi is just a bit less poor...

	5.	The HP comes with a reasonable set of drivers.

	6.	If you buy it invest in the additional RAM pack - it's pretty
		slow with it, God knows what it's like without!

I actually work in Germany and my PC is home in the UK so it's not in daily
use.  I would say that apart from my not reading the manual properly and
having a really dumb problem at the start it's easy peasy to operate.

Hope this is of use.

Regards

David

===========================================================================

Just bought the BJ-200.  I thought the price couldn't be beat ($329, with
$50 rebate thru 5/31) and so far it is comparable, even superior, to the
DeskJet in print quality.

Speed:   Per page rate seems to be faster (I don't have figures).
         I don't print long docs, though.

Quality: I think the graphics quality is excellent.  Print quality is
         excellent as well, unless you use small fonts and hold it up
         close; you can see a lot more "jaggies" than on a LaserJet.
         The 360 dpi is offset by a little less accuracy in holding the
         page/print head in place, I would imagine.

Large docs:  Not room in the standard model for a whole lotta pages ...
         manual says up to 100, though.  Haven't tried it.

Drivers:  No problems under Win3.1 yet.  WinWord doesn't want to print
         the envelopes the same way the Canon does, though.

Know nothing of add-on costs.

 Daniel A. Hartung  --  dhartung@chinet.chinet.com  --  Ask me about Rotaract

===========================================================================

I just bought a BJ-200 printer a couple of days ago.  I compared it to the
sample print of an HP DeskJet 500 and knew that the HP wasn't for me.  The
BJ-200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality.  I can compare
it with the HP LaserJet IIID PostScript and they look almost identical (
depending on the kind of paper).  I don't have problems with the ink not
being dry, it seems to dry VERY fast.  Probably within a second.  Since
Canon is giving a $50 rebate until the end of May, it is really a good buy.

---
Sean Eckton
Computer Support Representative
College of Fine Arts and Communications

===========================================================================

Wow, it's funny you should ask this.  I'm a little behind in news reading
so I know this may be late.

  I just purchased the Canon Bubblejet last night.  I was really worried
that I wouldn't like it but the print quality, and noise level is
fantastic!  I printed quite a few documents with lots of graphics and it
printed DAMN near laser quality.  You can't tell it's not laser unless you
get 2 inches from the page.

  no problems with drivers.  The printer came with the driver diskette
which is good because I was beginning to panic when I couldn't findi it
under Windows or WordPerfect.  It works well under both.  I have yet to
install Word for Windows so don't know how it works with them.

  I had a DeskJet 500 at work last year.  It was a good printer as well ut
I felt it was awfully slow.  And much noisier than the BubbleJet.  I won't
say the BubbleJet is MUCH better, but I really do like it more.  Just my
$0.02 worth.

-=- Brett
===========================================================================

--
Sincerely,

Robert Kayman	----	kayman@cs.stanford.edu  -or-  cpa@cs.stanford.edu


    Larry King Live was both telling and sickening.  Every other word
    out of Janet REno's mouth  was "the little children" ,etc.  Sounded
    like Clinton talking.  She made claims that the children were
    beaten, etc, DESPITE the pronouncements of social workers that none
    of the children who left the compound were abused.  But the REAL
    crime:

      Larry King, and his censored show.  NOT ONE FUCKING QUESTION
      about Reno's possible error.  Just two calls about how she
      had made a "good decision".  Now, it doesn't take a rocket
      scientist to figure out that SOME people are going to be upset.


Does anyone know the status of Jeffries or Arocha?


    The NSA's charter forbids them from doing any purely domestic
intelligence work, I would think that even providing assistance in
development of the Skipjack algorithom is a violation of that charter.
But as with any intrenched government agency, they will do what they
think is expedent.


Once again, this posting has been delayed for about a week by falling
between some software cracks...

[Here follows an introduction to the controversial incident, and an
 apologetic explanation purporting to show why it couldn't actually
 have happened.  The historicity of the episode doesn't matter to what
 follows]

I don't know whether I'm quoting Gregg or Zakaria below.  Anyway, back
to current affairs,

Among others; this incident is not something Rushdie or Watt or anyone
else dug up from nowhere, it is a well known story, a myth if you
will, known (according to Umar Khan) to "Every Muslim school boy and
girl", and so presumably to Rushdie, and to Gibreel Farishta.

Yes, this is what writing fiction is all about.  Rushdie was writing
about a crisis of faith, and chose this myth to present it, by placing
the actor "Gibreel" in the role of the angel whose name he took.
Rushdie was not writing a history or theology book, and nowhere claims
or implies that this is what actually happened.  It's somewhat like
stories woven around the relationship between Jesus and the reformed
prostitute Mary Magdalene (another myth).  Or those referring to the
Arthurian mythos, or the Grail legend, or the Wandering Jew, or dozens
of others.  If you can stand to read the work of a blasphemer,
consider Salman Rushdie's children's book "Haroun and the Sea of
Stories" for an idea of the way a storyteller -- a specific
storyteller -- works with existing story lines.

No.  Muhammad's [Mahound's] integrity is not really impugned in this
part of the story, and there's no reason to think this was Rushdie's
intent: Gibreel, as the archangel, produces the verses (divine and
satanic), though he doesn't know their provenance.  It is not implied
(in a straight reading) that Muhammad influences them:

    " *Not my voice* I'd never know such words I'm no classy speaker
    never was never will be but this isn't my voice it's a Voice.
      Mahound's eyes open wide, he's seeing some kind of vision,
    staring at it, oh, that's right, Gibreel remembers, me.  He's
    seeing me.  My lips moving, being moved by.  What, whom?  Don't
    know, can't say.  Nevertheless, here they are, coming out of my
    mouth, up my throat, past my teeth: the Words.
      Being God's postman is no fun, yaar.
      Butbutbut: God isn't in this picture.
      God knows whose postman I've been."

It's ambiguous: is Mahound somehow manipulating Gibreel?  Is it Satan?
Or something else?  The answer is not given.

To be sure, the question is raised.  This novel explores faith and the
role of revelation in religion, among other things.  Addressing loss
of faith implicitly raises questions about the truth of revelation,
but this novel proposes no answers, at least not directly.  The very
existence of a newsgroup named "alt.atheism" raises the same
questions, more forcefully, and does propose some answers, which is
the real relevance.  If Rushdie's mild fictional exploration is "filth
and lies", and he "asked for what he got", are we next on the fatwa
list?  (That's a rhetorical question, of course.)
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These are my opinions.  For a nominal fee, they can be yours.


Convenient?  It seems very appropriate that this is cross-posted to
alt.conspiracy.

Assuming the most favorable interpretation of your '1000 degree'
measurement (that the temperature is in Centigrade, rather than the
more common -in the US- Fahrenheit), you are still laboring under at
least 2 misconceptions:

1.  You seem to believe that steel melts somewhere around 1000 C.
    Actually, the melting point of most iron alloys (and steels are
    iron alloys) is in the neighborhood of 1400 C.  Even if the gun
    were found in area which achieved the 1000 C temperature, the steel
    parts of the gun would not be deformed, and it would still be
    trivial to identify the nature of the weapon.

2.  A fire is not an isothermal process.  There are 'hot' spots and
    'cold' spots, though 'cold' is purely a relative term.   So the
    weapon was not necessarily situated in a hot spot, as you seem to
    imply.  And, even if it was, so what?  It would not have melted
    anyway.


I understood that there are two methods to connect application code to widgets:

                       callbacks and actions

The problem I face now is that I have a quite long piece of application code
that performs a lot of drawing into a window. I want to connect this to a
widget. No problem so far. I could use a callback function or an action to do this, processing any events afterwards.

But because the drawing takes some while, I want the application code sequence
to be able to be interrupted by events. Then I want to handle the events
and resume with processing the application code at the point it was
interrupted.
It seems to me that this isn't possible, but how can I give the user the
impression that his inputs are immediately processed ?

Has anybody an idea?

Please answer via e-mail.

Thanks in advance.

Soenke

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                                                                        Germany

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that I am not mad ! (Salvador Dali)


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I have two SCSI hard drives, each has 512KB of 'cache'.

There several reasons for this :-

When the drive has read requested data from the disk the SCSI bus may be
busy. This data needs to be stored some where until the bus is free and
the data can be transmitted.

When the drive receives data to be written, the data can come down the bus
faster than the drive can write it to the disk. It needs to be stored
somewhere while the disk is writing it out.

In these situations the memory is being used as a buffer NOT a cache!

May be the drive does some read-adead caching as well...

Guy


	Excuse me? Quality? As in grade A CO2 and grade B CO2? I may not have
this quite right but I was under the impression that CO2 was CO2.

 Furthermore,

	A) There is no reason to believe this system is inherently stable-
The Ice ages occured without any help from humans.

	B) The point was that the human contribution of CO2 and other
greenhouse gasses is insignificant and it won't really make a difference if
we make more or less.

	C) What overwhelming data? I see lots of 'projections' of the future,
which is fascinating, considering they can't predict the weather two weeks
in advance.


Hello,
I have some problem in converting tga file(generated by POVray) to
rle file. When I convert, I do not get any warning message. But
if I use xloadimage/getx11, something is wrong.

Error messages are,
% targatorle -o o.rle data.tga
% xloadimage o.rle
o.rle is a 0x0 24 bit RLE image with no map (will dither to 8 bits), with gamma of 1.00
  Dithering image...done
  Building XImage...done
xloadimage: X Error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) on 0x0
xloadimage: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) on 0xb00003
......

I know that I need to install ppmtorle and tgatoppm, but I do not spend
time to install them. Even I do not want to generate .rgb from POVray
and then convert them to rle, if possible.(.rgb to rle works, but
it will mess up my directory with so many files, and it needs 2 more
steps to finally convert to rle file. say cat | rawtorle | rleflip )
Does any body out there have same experience/problems ?

Thanks in advance,


I have a few the original IBM 10Mb harddisks for sale. They are actually
Seagate's ST412, MFM, full height,  has the IBM logo and black face plate.

  Each disk is checked and formatted with DOS 6.0. It can be doubled to
20Mb or so with dblspace or stacker if you so desire.  Have the original IBM
foam fitted boxies and anti-static bags. I am not sure if they were ever
used, but each drive that is sent out will be quarenteed in good working order.

 $30 each plus shipping cost, (about $5),


Speaking of SIGGRAPH, I just went through the ordeal of my annual registration
for SIGGRAPH and re-upping of membership in the ACM last night, and was I ever
grossed out!  The new prices for membership are almost highway robbery!

For example:

	SIGGRAPH basic fee went from $26 last year to $59 this year for the same
	thing, a 127% increase.  Those facile enough to arrange a trip to the
	annual conference could reduce this to $27 by selecting SIGGRAPH Lite,
	which means SIGGRAPH is charging an additional $32 (or so) for the
	proceedings and the art show catalog, essentially.

	TOPLAS went up 40% in cost, way outstripping the current inflation rate.

	Basic SIGCHI fees remainded the same, but whereas before SIGCHI
	membership included UIST and Human Factors conferences proceedings,
	these are now an extra cost option.  Bundling that back into the basic
	rate, equivalent services have gone up 100% in cost.

	SIGOIS membership cost has up 33%, but they've also split out the
	Computer Supported Cooperative Work conference proceedings that used to
	be included with membership.  Adding that cost back in means this SIG
	also has doubled its membership fee.

What really galls me is that the ACM sent out brochures a couple months ago
touting their new approach to providing member services, and tried to make it
sound like they were offering NEW services.  But with the exception of a couple,
like SIGGRAPH, all the "plus" services appear to be just splitting the costs
into smaller piles so that they don't look so big.  But their recommended
changes to my membership would have me paying 90% more than last year for a 31%
increase in services (measured by cost, not by value), and, curiously, a 31%
inflation rate on the publications I got last year.

Is anyone out there as galled by this extortion as I am?
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SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES AND SYSTEMS


I am looking for some clarification on a subject that I am trying to find some
information on.

How is HSV-2 (Herpes) transmitted?  I currently know that it can be transmitted
during inflammation but, what I am looking for is if it can be transmitted
during in other periods.  Also, I want to know if you can be accurately tested
for it while you are not showing symtoms?

If you can help I would greatly appreciate it.


: In article <34592@oasys.dt.navy.mil> odell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bernard O'farmer
: >I am not quite sure of the reasons, but the old man was certainly
: >not "enraptured" by ole Harry.

:   But maybe his wife was :-)

:   I don't claim to know whether it's true or not, but a couple different
: people (totally unrelated) have said Harry was 'relieved' of his duties
: because he had more than platonic relations with Augie Busch's wife.
: Judgement is left to the individual, cuz I sure don't claim to be an
: impeachable source in this case.

Among those who have said it (well, not quite SAID it but certainly
alluded to it) is Bing Devine, Redbird GM or some other administrator at
the time.  I heard Bing speak about it at last year's SABR National.

BTW, have we had a show of hands about who will be attending this year's
SABR National in San Diego?  I'll be there...
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