Here are the final point totals for players chosen in the USENET Hockey Draft.
Note that only 114 players scored more than 55 points (the minimum cost)
although 254 different players were chosen.

	- Andrew

Points	Team	Player
160	PIT	Mario_Lemieux
148	BUF	Pat_LaFontaine
142	BOS	Adam_Oates
137	DET	Steve_Yzerman
132	WPG	Teemu_Selanne
132	NYI	Pierre_Turgeon
127	BUF	Alexander_Mogilny
127	TOR	Doug_Gilmour
125	LA	Luc_Robitaille
123	PHI	Mark_Recchi
114	QUE	Mats_Sundin
111	PIT	Kevin_Stevens
110	VAN	Pavel_Bure
109	PIT	Rick_Tocchet
107	CHI	Jeremy_Roenick
106	STL	Craig_Janney
105	QUE	Joe_Sakic
102	BOS	Joe_Juneau
101	STL	Brett_Hull
100	CGY	Theoren_Fleury
100	PIT	Ron_Francis
99	TOR	Dave_Andreychuk
97	MTL	Vincent_Damphousse
97	DET	Dino_Ciccarelli
97	WPG	Phil_Housley
96	BUF	Dale_Hawerchuk
94	STL	Brendan_Shanahan
94	MTL	Kirk_Muller
94	PIT	Jaromir_Jagr
93	MIN	Mike_Modano
91	NYR	Mark_Messier
89	HFD	Geoff_Sanderson
88	MTL	Brian_Bellows
88	CGY	Robert_Reichel
87	LA	Jari_Kurri
87	NYI	Steve_Thomas
87	DET	Sergei_Fedorov
87	DET	Paul_Coffey
86	TB	Brian_Bradley
86	PHI	Rod_Brind'Amour
85	WSH	Peter_Bondra
85	PIT	Larry_Murphy
85	HFD	Andrew_Cassels
85	VAN	Cliff_Ronning
82	WSH	Mike_Ridley
82	LA	Tony_Granato
82	QUE	Steve_Duchesne
82	HFD	Pat_Verbeek
82	BOS	Ray_Bourque
81	CGY	Gary_Suter
81	NJ	Claude_Lemieux
80	MTL	Stephan_Lebeau
79	NJ	Alexander_Semak
79	WSH	Kevin_Hatcher
79	MIN	Russ_Courtnall
79	WSH	Dale_Hunter
78	QUE	Mike_Ricci
78	SJ	Kelly_Kisio
78	STL	Jeff_Brown
77	QUE	Owen_Nolan
77	VAN	Murray_Craven
77	VAN	Geoff_Courtnall
76	NYR	Tony_Amonte
76	NYI	Derek_King
76	MIN	Dave_Gagner
75	PHI	Eric_Lindros
75	CGY	Joe_Nieuwendyk
75	NYI	Benoit_Hogue
74	TOR	Nikolai_Borschevsky
74	WSH	Michal_Pivonka
74	MIN	Ulf_Dahlen
73	LA	Jimmy_Carson
73	NJ	Stephane_Richer
73	CHI	Chris_Chelios
73	STL	Nelson_Emerson
72	WPG	Alexei_Zhamnov
72	BOS	Dmitri_Kvartalnov
72	VAN	Trevor_Linden
72	WPG	Thomas_Steen
71	VAN	Petr_Nedved
70	PIT	Joe_Mullen
70	CHI	Steve_Larmer
69	LA	Mike_Donnelly
68	QUE	Andrei_Kovalenko
68	NYR	Mike_Gartner
67	WSH	Dmitri_Khristich
66	WSH	Al_Iafrate
66	DET	Ray_Sheppard
66	SJ	Johan_Garpenlov
65	TOR	Glenn_Anderson
65	HFD	Zarley_Zalapski
65	LA	Wayne_Gretzky
65	NYR	Adam_Graves
64	NJ	Valeri_Zelepukin
63	OTT	Norm_Maciver
63	PHI	Kevin_Dineen
62	DET	Steve_Chiasson
62	DET	Paul_Ysebaert
62	PHI	Garry_Galley
61	PIT	Shawn_McEachern
60	MTL	Mike_Keane
60	WPG	Darrin_Shannon
60	NYI	Pat_Flatley
60	NJ	Bernie_Nicholls
60	QUE	Scott_Young
59	LA	Rob_Blake
59	PHI	Brent_Fedyk
57	CHI	Steve_Smith
57	WSH	Pat_Elynuik
57	NJ	Scott_Stevens
57	CGY	Sergei_Makarov
57	WPG	Fredrik_Olausson
56	VAN	Greg_Adams
56	TB	John_Tucker
54	CHI	Christian_Ruuttu
54	CHI	Brent_Sutter
54	CGY	Al_MacInnis
54	NYR	Sergei_Nemchinov
53	HFD	Terry_Yake
53	NYR	Darren_Turcotte
52	NYI	Vladimir_Malakhov
52	VAN	Dixon_Ward
52	LA	Tomas_Sandstrom
51	BOS	Stephen_Leach
51	HFD	Patrick_Poulin
51	WPG	Keith_Tkachuk
50	NYI	Jeff_Norton
50	MTL	Denis_Savard
50	TOR	John_Cullen
50	WSH	Sylvain_Cote
49	NYR	Ed_Olczyk
49	STL	Kevin_Miller
49	BOS	Dave_Poulin
49	VAN	Anatoli_Semenov
49	PHI	Pelle_Eklund
49	WPG	Evgeny_Davydov
48	MTL	Gilbert_Dionne
48	NJ	John_MacLean
48	QUE	Martin_Rucinsky
48	LA	Alexei_Zhitnik
48	EDM	Petr_Klima
48	EDM	Doug_Weight
47	EDM	Shayne_Corson
46	EDM	Craig_Simpson
45	WSH	Kelly_Miller
45	EDM	Dave_Manson
44	CHI	Michel_Goulet
44	MTL	Mathieu_Schneider
43	DET	Bob_Probert
43	CGY	Paul_Ranheim
43	OTT	Sylvain_Turgeon
42	MIN	Mark_Tinordi
41	OTT	Bob_Kudelski
41	DET	Niklas_Lidstrom
41	OTT	Brad_Shaw
41	EDM	Todd_Elik
41	BOS	Vladimir_Ruzicka
40	MIN	Mike_McPhee
40	NYR	Esa_Tikkanen
40	TOR	Dave_Ellett
40	NJ	Peter_Stastny
39	LA	Corey_Millen
39	NJ	Bobby_Holik
39	BUF	Yuri_Khmylev
39	TB	Adam_Creighton
39	TOR	Wendel_Clark
38	VAN	Sergio_Momesso
38	NYR	Alexei_Kovalev
37	TOR	Rob_Pearson
37	QUE	Valery_Kamensky
37	CHI	Dirk_Graham
36	NYR	Brian_Leetch
36	EDM	Zdeno_Ciger
35	TOR	Peter_Zezel
35	BOS	Ted_Donato
33	MIN	Neal_Broten
33	HFD	Mikael_Nylander
33	PHI	Josef_Beranek
33	CHI	Stephane_Matteau
32	EDM	Scott_Mellanby
32	DET	Keith_Primeau
32	BUF	Wayne_Presley
32	NYI	Brian_Mullen
32	PHI	Dmitri_Yushkevich
32	MTL	Gary_Leeman
31	BUF	Richard_Smehlik
31	BOS	Steve_Heinze
31	TOR	Dmitri_Mironov
30	CHI	Brian_Noonan
28	WSH	Bob_Carpenter
28	SJ	Pat_Falloon
27	STL	Igor_Korolev
27	TB	Mikael_Andersson
27	NYI	Ray_Ferraro
26	BUF	Petr_Svoboda
26	OTT	Mark_Lamb
26	NYR	James_Patrick
25	MTL	Benoit_Brunet
24	NYI	Scott_LaChance
24	TOR	Bill_Berg
23	EDM	Martin_Gelinas
23	WPG	Sergei_Bautin
23	EDM	Kevin_Todd
21	NYI	David_Volek
21	NYI	Darius_Kasparaitis
21	TB	Roman_Hamrlik
21	MIN	Brent_Gilchrist
20	NYR	Phil_Bourque
20	DET	Jim_Hiller
20	PHI	Andrei_Lomakin
20	HFD	Yvon_Corriveau
19	BUF	Donald_Audette
18	BOS	Cam_Neely
17	CHI	Joe_Murphy
17	SJ	Mark_Pederson
16	PIT	Martin_Straka
15	NYR	Peter_Andersson
13	NJ	Janne_Ojanen
13	OTT	Tomas_Jelinek
12	MIN	Bobby_Smith
11	TB	Steve_Kasper
10	SJ	Ray_Whitney
9	HFD	Robert_Petrovicky
9	BUF	Viktor_Gordijuk
8	TOR	Joe_Sacco
8	QUE	Mikhail_Tatarinov
8	SJ	Peter_Ahola
7	CHI	Rob_Brown
7	BOS	Glen_Murray
6	MIN	Brian_Propp
6	HFD	Tim_Kerr
5	WSH	Reggie_Savage
5	LA	Robert_Lang
5	STL	Vitali_Prokhorov
5	DET	Viacheslav_Kozlov
5	EDM	Shaun_Van_Allen
4	BOS	Jozef_Stumpel
4	MIN	Dan_Quinn
4	PIT	Bryan_Fogarty
3	MTL	Olav_Petrov
3	TB	Stan_Drulia
2	NJ	Claude_Vilgrain
2	WSH	Jason_Woolley
0	QUE	Peter_Forsberg
0	WSH	Brian_Sakic
0	WSH	Randy_Burridge
0	MTL	Patrick_Kjellberg
0	OTT	Alexei_Yashin
0	EDM	Dean_McAmmond
0	CGY	Cory_Stillman
0	TB	Brent_Gretzky
0	BUF	Jason_Dawe
0	VAN	Igor_Larionov
0	CHI	Sergei_Krivokrasov
--
Andrew Scott                    | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Operation     | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253


Rather than write my own, can anyone direct me to a package that will let me create
cascaded popup menus in X windows.  For reasons of portability, the package should
not rely on any X toolkit other than XLib and the XT Intrinsics.  Something written
in C++ would be nice, too.


I asked around in one of the areas you suggested yourself, and presented
the information I got.  No mention of US landmines was given.

Okay, so you are going to blindly believe in things without reasonable
evidence?  I didn't realize you were a theist.  I am doubting a claim
presented without any evidence to support it.  If you are able to present
real evidence for it, then great.  But unsupported claims, or even claims
by such and such news agency will not be accepted.  If you want to
stick to the sheer impossible, instead of the merely difficult, then
fine.

The statement that if such a fact is classified, then you
can't prove it, is a simple matter of pragmatics and the law.  If you
have access to classified information that you know to be classified,
and you reveal it, there is a good chance that you or someone else
(the person who revealed it to you), is going to jail.

I never said that you couldn't prove it to my satisfaction, I merely
said that it was difficult.  (Who said I try and make things easy
for people I am arguing with :) (Unless of course, they need the
handicap).


*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
                     Is this a joke ?
                                      *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

--
  ___________________________________________________________________


 Now which is it?  Are you going to comdemn national media, then turn around
 and use it to support some position you present?  Seems somewhat contradictory
 doesn't it.

I believe this true when we speak of physical data, in the
sense of pure science.  But when we speak of data that revolve
around social sciences then we have to be careful.

I quite agree.  But these are cases or 'news events' that contain
politics, social science information, sociology, etc.  and at
best are reflections of the group that reports them.

As you have pointed out, it is difficult to report that the
temperature was 98 degrees when it was 60 degrees and have
people believe you.

Yes and no.  The survey presented, according to Mr. Cramer,
a value called the median- which one used this makes us
believe that 1/2 of the males had 7.3 plus sex partners and
1/2 of the males had 7.3 or less sex partners.  Homosexuals
are purported to make up only 1%.  In this case, the majority
of people with 7.3 plus sex partners are heterosexual.

It is my feeling that median was not the intended word usage.
But if it is then we have little evidence to support Mr. Cramer
claims about gay promiscuity > hetero promiscuity.

 Very good- this is a point that I have tried to bring out,
and as any network news program will show you, it is true.

The News Media is a business and as such becomes skewed because
of where its loyalties lie.


:
: >In the official paper I got from Apple about the new docking station, Apple
: >themselves called it the "DuoDock Plus".
:
:     What paper is that? It's been on the price list here at Dartmouth
: since they released it and it has never been called the "DuoDock Plus."

It was a paper from Apple Sweden that announced some new products (the new
docking station was only one of them), and the paper arrived before it showed
up on the price list. I don't know if it's still called the "DuoDock Plus"
in the price list, it could be a mistake by someone at Apple Sweden.

/Mats


Since the FBI's account of what happened is being contradicted on an
increasingly frequent basis by other officials investigating the
fire, the most pernicious idea of all is believing that Big Brother
is going to be well-behaved with respect to cryptographic keys.

In light of the very serious allegations with respect to the DOJ
selling software to various other intelligence services, what do
you suppose the chances are of some future DOJ selling escrowed
keys to business firms?

Trusting the government to be honest and fair is putting the
fox in charge of protecting the chickens.


I have an 8-bit serial card with two ports.  Each port has the option of
using IRQ 2,3,4 or 5.  I also have two serial ports on a multi-I/O card,
and the ports can be set to IRQ 3,4,5,7 or 9.  From other posts I've read,
I get the impression that IRQ2 on the 8-bit card is the same as IRQ9 on
the multi-I/O card.  Am I right?


Maw Ying yuan wrote
 .................................
...From: yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Maw Ying Yuan)
...Subject: Replacement for Program Manager and File Manager?
...Message-ID: <C68G1G.JuJ@news.Hawaii.Edu>
...Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 06:44:04 GMT
...
...replacements for Win3.1's Program Manager and File Manager?
...yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu :)
 .................................
    Hi,
      I've been using Plannet Crafter's "Plug-in" for Program Manager.
      Its listed in most BBS'es as PLUGIN13.  Its an add-on which gives
      some needed features to Progman; such as the ability to better
      manage your groups, change your cursor and icons on the fly,
      constant status of RAM and resources, "Quick-menu" (a drop-down
      menu of DOS commands or app launcher), plus some other neat stuff.
      Used it, liked it, and even reg'd it <G>.

      If you can't find it anywhere, let me know and I'll zip it up and
      mail it to you (shareware version, of course <g>...)

Aloha...
---
 .. .es .. All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
---
 . SLMR 2.1a .


I have the following games for sale/trade. Make an offer.

Crystal Warriors
Junction
Revenge of Drancon
Psychic World
Castle of Illusion (starring Micky Mouse)
Chessmaster

--
brian
oplinger@ra.crd.ge.com


In today's Jerusalem Post Magazine there is a feature story about the
ongoing restoration of synagogues in the Jewish Quarter.  The author,
Leah Abramowitz, writes that there were FIFTY-SEVEN synagogues in the
quarter in 1948, ALL of which were destroyed, some, she says, used as
donkey stables.  The building shells, that is.

I still find it really, really hard to understand why the demolition
of the buildings in front of the Kotel continues to evoke more outrage
than this.  Everything is so much cheaper when it happens to the Jews.

Why?


I see a parallel between what I will stupidly call the "homosexual"
issue and the "atheist" issue. Please take no offense at these
comparisons.

The homosexual "feels" things that I admit I do not "feel".
He learns that these feelings are classified as homosexual feelings
and learns of a model of sexuality that seems to apply to
his feelings, which he then can fit with his experiences.
That is, this model gives him a sense of understanding his
situation. Models that do not match up with what he knows he
feels will be discarded. However, one wonders if once accepting
the idea of his being gay and deciding what exactly that
means he will analyze all his feelings and experiences based on
the definition he has already accepted, which of course validates
his model.

If that was hard to understand now listen to my parallel.

The Christian "feels" things that an atheist claims he does not
feel. The Christian accepts the Christian theology as the true
description of what his feelings mean. Once accepting this
model he interprets his experiences with regards to this model
which of course validates his Christianity.

As a reminder, I am a Christian, a Catholic, I don't hate
homosexuals or atheists, but am just trying to understand
them. I only compare them because they are both so foreign
to me. Am I as blind to the homosexual as the atheist seems
blind to me? Or am I as prejudiced against atheistic denial of
religious experience as the homosexual is prejudiced against
attempts by society to deny his sexuality?

Or am I just out to lunch, again?


	This morning on CNN (tues April 27), Texas Cops say Arson is suspected
	because of two falsh points. CNN also stated that  _all_ surviors
	claim the fires are FBI set.  Your argument are made-up, untrue
	and unverified at best.

    The day of the attack the FBI claimed to have seen two BD'ers setting
    the fire outside of the compound. Yesterday, the arson squad said two
    flash points at the or near the tank entry points

    Not good evidence for the FBI hit squad.

  is there a difference between thinking that you won't survive a confrontation
  with the FBI (parnoia?) and committing suicide?

	No, claimed by the escapees  not contradicted

	What I'm finding interesting is the conflicting reports. FBI says
	that bodies have been found with bullet wounds and the Texas Cornuers
	(sp) says that they haven't yet found any bullet holes..


Roger,

	    SHUT UP.

 	Thank you.


whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes,

But that is exactly what I was asking. If the Homosexual community (is that
the proper term?) has decided that Christianity is not against Homosexual
behaviour but rather condones it then how do they interpret these verses. I
guess what I am really looking for is a "homosexual" response.


hi,
  just a quick question reguarding pc tape backup. I own a 386 dos box
and have an Archive VP402 interface card connected to a QIC-02 tape
drive. Now the simple question is, does anybody in netland know were I
can get some software for msdos (ver 5.0) to run this setup, freeware
or shareware preferred .

Thanks in advance,
                   Darryl


What kind of CSA/UL/FCC approval do $60+ mail-order PC computer
cases and power supplies have?

Can I assume that the certification process for small-scale custom hardware
(ie digital/analog circuitry) is reduced, or even eliminated, if I use
such a case and (certified) power supply?


I have a little answer:

See Foley, van Dam, Feiner, and Hughes, _Computer Graphics: Principles
and Practice, Second Edition_.

[If people would *read* this book, 75 percent of the questions in this
froup would disappear overnight...]

							spl


We have seen lots of discussion on automobile engine configuration. Let me ask
a similar question from the aviation field. You must have seen images of prop
planes with all cylinders exposed. I have seen up to 8 cylinders positioned
radially in a circular fashion with the prop at the center of the circle.
This arrangement always brings up a geometric dilemma. How can one crankshaft
throw accomodate 8 rods or are the pistons displaced but not visible from the
outside.


I'm
the
tickets

Grrrr, let's start a whole 'nother topic on show bad the sharks are doing on
these things. I swear that ALL of my partial plan games were televised (I
know, I'm exaggerating, but...).
In order:
-the new ticket prices suck
-wait 'till people try to park at games next year. Public transit? Yeah
right, I'd love to take caltrain for 3 hours to see a 3 hour game.

Shelling out hundreds of dollars for partial season plans for two years
doesnt mean anything to the sharks, as I get to pick my seats after the dead
rise from their graves to claim their seats! :-)
-Frank


   Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v.
   This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon.  Very rare also.

						      Mike Sylvester  Umass

Being a satisfied Audi owner (-90 100 turbo quattro. my 4:th Audi) I
get the free VAG magazine. The latest issue presented a new S4 Avant
(wagon) with a 4.2 litre V8. I'd like one of these ;-)

Btw, this is my second quattro and my third turbo and I must say that
even in the summer, with dry roads, the quattros give so much extra in
road holding and balance that I hope I can afford them always.

Thomas


UPI, and the newspapers who are reporting this being all owned by Saudis
I wonder how secure they are feeling by reporting all of these things,
maybe Saudi Arabia is allowed to have all the human rights violations
it can have, nobody is including them in any list,.. those are designed
for independent states.

why is this reported from Cairo?

.....

Can somebody teach this man some logic?
what is the relationship between a human rights league in  Saudia
and human rights in Bosnia, I guess if we wanted to know what is
in Italy, we should know what is in Brasil (Syrian Joke)

their claim of following Islamic law is the biggest disservice
that they ever did to Islam.

...

But how about human rights in Egypt Mr Amin?


I originally posted this to alt.suicide.holiday but it was recommended
that I try you guys instead:

My friend insists that Ny-Quil can be deadly if enough is taken -- he
suggested something like 20-30 of the Night-time gelcaps would do someone
in.  Being a NORMAL user of Ny-Quil :), I checked the 'ingredients' and
have a very hard time believing it.  They are:

250 g acetaminophen
30 mg Pseudoephedrine HCl
10 mg Dextromethorphan HBr
6.25 mg Doxylamine Succinate

(per softgel)

Can someone settle our bet (a package of Ny-Quil of course :) -- what
effect would 20-30 of these babies have?

*-Nathan-*

--


Harvested to order?


Reboost may not be a problem, if they have enough fuel.  If they don't do a
reboost this time, they will definitely have to do one on the next servicing
mission.  But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the
back and you could have problems.  The shuttle just isn't designed to land
with that much weight in the payload.

of course that is a concern too, and the loss of science during the time
that it is on the ground.  plus a fear that if it comes down, some
big-wig might not allow it to go back up.  but the main concern, I
believe is the danger of the landing.  Just to add another bad vibe,
they also increase the risk of damaging an instrument.  Finally,
this is a chance for NASA astronanuts to prove they could build and
service a space station.  Hubble was designed for in flight servicing.

bringing the telescope down, to my understanding, was considered
even very recently, but all these factors contribute to the
decision to do it the way it was planned in the beginning.

ROB
--
===========================================================================
===========================================================================

Disclaimer-type-thingie>>>>>  These opinions are mine!  Unless of course
	they fall under the standard intellectual property guidelines.
	But with my intellect, I doubt it.  Besides, if it was useful
	intellectual property, do you think I would type it in here?


I have also been looking for this, but I have come up with nothing.
I have looked in ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu which is supposed to have a lot
of image-specs.

Email is preferred. If there is enough interest, I will post a
summary.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


Generally, the second or third major release usually takes care of it.
My advice, based on plenty of personal experience, is to never buy the
first version of anything from Microsoft.  This includes major version
number upgrades from previous releases, such as Microsoft C 6.00.
Always wait at least for the "a" upgrade or slipstream upgrade if
you're going to buy it.


Dear Senator/Congressman/President {fill in the blank}

I am writing you to voice my strong opposition to President Clinton's Clipper
Chip initiative. This proposal to establish a secret government designed
cryptography chip with government key registration as the standard for voice
encryption is very disturbing. The idea that citizens must register their
secrets with the government just in case they are trying to keep them secret
is patently unAmerican. Additionally, the press release for this program
strongly implied that other forms of cryptography would be banned after the
Clipper Chip standard is in place. This latest attack on our civil rights is
deeply disturbing and is frankly a voting issue for me.

The presidents press release stated that the plan strikes a balance between the
legitimate needs of law enforcement and a citizens right to privacy but this
is not the case. The fact is that since other strong cryptographic equipment
is avalible the criminals, drug dealers and terrorists mentioned in the press
release will simply use non clipper cryptography. Meanwhile the average citizen
may gain no protection against warentless wiretaps by the government since the
government escrowed key is derived deterministicly from the unit serial number
which is broadcast by the chip durring its opperation. This seems like an
obvious back door for the NSA and law enforcement. If you still do nott
understand my objection to key registration, consider the way J. Edgar Hoover
blackmailed government officials like yourself; would you now use a phone to
transmit personal details of your life that the NSA and FBI have the keys to?

______________________________________________________________________________
Well heres a letter, I didnt spell check it since I dont know how in EMACS
so you might want to do that.


For Sale:

   Amiga 3000/16
   6 megs RAM
   1950 Monitor
   extra external hard drive
   Much sotware games/graphics/productivity/etc...

   USR HST 14.4 Modem  (not dual standard)

   Amiga/software:   $ 950
   USR HST Modem :   $ 250

   Price for both:   $1100


dear pete,

for one who is so zionist as you, you should at least know your
hebrew, young man.

The last sentence in your posting should read:

Medina achat leshnai amim (not Echad medionnot leshtai amim).

I don't want to address your comments. They speak for themselves.

best regards from a Palestinian of Jewish origin who talks, reads and writes
Hebrew and does not hate Jews nor anybody else.


Ironic, since it's pretty much what was used to blow up the World Trade
Center...
--


RFD
                          Request For Discussion
                                for the
                          OPEN  TELEMATIC GROUP

                                  OTG

I have proposed the forming of a consortium/task force for the promotion
of NAPLPS/JPEG, FIF to openly discuss ways, method,
procedures,algorythms,
applications, implementation, extensions of NAPLPS/JPEG standards.
These standards should facilitate the creation of REAL_TIME Online
applications that make use of Voice, Video, Telecommuting, HiRes
graphics,
Conferencing, Distant Learning, Online order entry, Fax,in addition
these dicussion would assist all to better understand how SGML,CALS,
ODA,MIME,OODBMS,JPEG,MPEG,FRACTALS,SQL,CDrom,cdromXA,Kodak PhotoCD,TCL,
V.FAST,EIA/TIA562,can best be incorporated and implemented to
develop TELEMATIC/Multimedia applications....

We want to be able to support DOS, UNIX, MAC, WINDOWS, NT, OS/2
platforms.
It is our hope that individuals,developers, corporations, Universities,
R & D labs would join in in supporting such an endeavor.

This would be a NOT_FOR_PROFIT group with bylaws and charter. Already
many
corporation have decided to support OTG (Open TELEMATIC Group) so do not
delay joining if you are a developer

An RFD has been posted to form a usenet newsgroup and a FAQ will soon be
be compose to start promulgating what is known on the subject.
If you would like to be added to the mailist send email or mail to
the address below.

This group would publish an electronic quarterly NAPLPS/JPEG newsletter
as well as a hardcopy version.
We urge all who wants to see CMCs HiRes based applications
& the NAPLPS/JPEG G R O W,  decide to join and mutually benefit from
this NOT-FOR_PROFIT endeavor.

NOTE: Telematic has been defined by Mr. James Martin as the marriage
      of Voice, Video, Hi-res Graphics, Fax, IVR, Music over telephone
      lines/LAN.

If you would like to get involve write to me at:

  IMG Inter-Multimedia Group| Internet:  epimntl@world.std.com
  P.O. Box 95901            |            ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org
  Atlanta, Georgia, US      | CIS     :  70611,3703
                            | FidoNet :  1:133/407
                            | BBS     :  +1-404-985-1198 zyxel 14.4k

To all that have responded we are trying to acknowledge as soon as
possible. We have really been inundated with org, corp, edu willing
to get involve.
It would be nice if upon responded you can state in what capacity
you are willing to get involve.


Sorry, Sherri, but I can't agree with this particular incident.  While
I'm all for cutting down the number of chain-rattles and other examples
of rampant Hargroving, there was a difference here.

1)  Since time immemorial, batters have complained about calls.
So have pitchers and catchers.  Usually, nothing happens.
Unless the league notified teams this year about not allowing
complaints, Hirschbeck was acting against expectations.

2)  It's not as if Gant was "in Hirschbeck's face".  Gant said
something about the call, stepped out of the box, and turned away
from Hirschbeck.  As a hitter (alibet of little consequence, but
with a decent eye), whenever receiving the short end of the stick
on a questionable call, I'd want a moment or two out of the box,
if for no other reason than to rethink the strike zone based on
the experience of the last pitch.  And if I was really angry
at the ump, I'd rather turn away and catch my breath than
turn to him and say something that might get me tossed,
especially at a key moment in the game.

When Gant turned away, Hirschbeck IMMEDIATELY motioned for Gant
to step into the box.  IMO, at this point in time, Hirschbeck
was determined to show Gant exactly WHO was in charge of this game.
Gant wasn't dawdling; he hadn't had a chance to dawdle.  And Hirschbeck
was simply exercising a power play.  Gant resisted, as many of
us might to what we thought was an unreasonable request, and
Hirschbeck called for the pitch.  At that point, Cox came out on
the field, the pitch was thrown, and many other Braves left the
dugout.  Cox was tossed "protecting his player".  I was pleasantly
surprised that Gant kept his cool enough to stay in the game.

It's a small sample size, but based on what I saw in that game,
Mark Hirschbeck has a hair-trigger temper and a need to play
God on the field.  Not good qualities for an umpire.  I will
keep my eyes open for future appearances of Hirschbeck in the
future, in order to improve my sample size.

IMO, any game where you remember the name of the umpire was
a bad game for the umpire.


	I looked up "might" to see why you selected that particular word,
and discovered the line ". . . to express permission, liberty,
probability, possibility . . ."  It also said something about being a
"polite" alternative to "may."  The presence of "probability, possibility"
can certainly be used to partially explain your word selection.
So, I'd say to all extents and purposes, "Yes, you might."  In fact, you did.
(Not that you were asking *me* specifically.)

	The next question is, why would a mailing list be "more" appropriate?
We don't all get mailing lists.  We surely don't all get mailing lists about
the teams about which we are most enthused.  So it seems to me r.s.baseball
is an appropriate place to look for information about teams one doesn't
necessarily follow day-to-day.

	This is not intended as flamage, but rather is an attempted answer,
as you posed your post as a question.


I am looking for statistics on the prevalence of disorders that are
treatable with Botulinum Type A.  These disorders include: facial
dyskinesia, meige syndrome, hemifacial spasm, apraxia of eyelid openeing,
aberrant regeneration of the facial nerve, facial paralysis, strabismus,
spasmodic torticollis, muscle spasm, occupational dystonia (i.e. writers
cramp, etc.), spasmodic dysphonia, and temporal mandibular joint disease.

I realize many of the disorders I listed (such as "muscle spasm" !!) are
vaguely defined and may encompass a wide range of particular disorders.  My
apologies; the list was provided to me as is.  I have some numbers, but not
reliable.

Any ideas on sources or, even bbetter, any actual figures (with source
listed)?

Many thanks,

- Meg


O

I also would like code or algorithms to do this.

In fact, I am interested in sources for code and/or algorithms that
convert 2D graphical objects into other 2D graphical objects that
will render into the same image. i.e. Bezier curves to B splines,
or splines to circular arc segments, or B splines to polgons, etc...


The proposal could be modified so that if they get a court order to tap you
and don't charge you with a crime within, say, 90 days, they have to buy you
a new phone.

If they do charge you, and you are found innocent, they have to buy you a
new phone.

:-)

David


----- Begin Included Message -----

The following teaching is brought to you on behalf of Malcolm Smith
Ministries, a ministry dedicated to leading believers everywhere into a
knowledge of the love of God.  If you would like more info on the ministry,
and/or would like to comment on whether you found this teaching beneficial,
e-mail to Randy Hunt at rlhunt@hou.amoco.com.

LOVE IN THE MORNING  (Psalm 90:14)

by Malcolm Smith

Moses wrote this prayer at a weary time in the history of Israel. A generation
before the time of its writing, the people of Israel had stood at Kadesh,
gateway to Canaan, and made the fateful choice to go their own way rather
than God's way. They refused an adventure of faith in God which would
have given them Canaan, the homeland of promise. God honored their
decision, and said they would wander in the desert only a few miles from the
land of promise until they were all buried in the sand. The young decision-
makers of that fateful day were between twenty and thirty years old, and
destined to be dead within forty years... bleached bones in the desert by the
time they were seventy-- eighty, at the most. The lives of these wanderers
had been unending sadness. Moses described it as ending each year with a
sigh (v. 9). The fact that they knew, give or take a few months, when they
were going to die, underscored the meaninglessness of their existence.
Whatever heights of success they reached, they would be a heap of bleached
bones within forty years.  The only ones to live outside of that depression of
hopeless disbelief were Joshua and Caleb, who had stood against the nation
at Kadesh and had God' s promise of one day entering the land. The
forty-year period was finally drawing to an end. The new generation, those
who were children at Kadesh, were now grown and eager to take the
inheritance their parents had refused to enjoy. In the light of this, Moses
prays...it is time for a new day to begin and the days of misery to be over.
All these years, as Moses had walked with these moaning and complaining
people through the wilderness of their exile, he had carried a double burden.
His was not only the sadness of living in less than what could have been; but
he also knew why they had chosen as they had at Kadesh.  The problem was
that they were ignorant of the character of their God. If asked. "Who is your
God?" they would have described Him as the God who is Power. When
Aaron had created their concept of God in an idol. he chose a calf. or young
bull--a symbol of power, of virility. In their minds, God was the young bull
who had impaled Pharaoh on his horns and gored Egypt's gods as He led
Israel to Sinai.  But when man worships a God of power, His miracles grow
thin and even boring. After miracle food on the desert floor and water
gushing miraculously from the solid rock through the desert wasteland, the
God of Almightiness becomes "ho-hum --What' s next on the miracle menu?"
And a God of power can be as unpredictable as a young bull calf. He might
be all they need, but then...who knows? If He has all power, He has a right
to do whatever He wants, whenever He wants. The only person these people
had known who had absolute power was Pharaoh, and men's lives had hung
on the whim of his moods, which could change with the wind. They believed
God could work His wonders on their behalf, but they did not know HIM
and, so, could not trust Him. Israel had a God based on what He DID, His
acts; Moses knew the heart of God, the motivation behind the acts. From the
day of his encounter at the burning bush, Moses had been fascinated by God.
At Sinai, he asked to be shown His glory...to know who He really was. He
had seen what God had done; he wanted to know who God was. This
request was granted, and Moses was given a glimpse of God's glorious
Person. He had come to know the heart of God as compassion and
lovingkindness (Exodus 34:6,7). The word "lovingkindness" is not to be
understood as a human kind of love. It speaks of the kind of relationship
arising out of the making of a covenant. It can only be understood as the
love that says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." Lovingkindness is as
tenacious as a British bulldog; when the world walks out, this love digs in its
heels and refuses to leave.And it is not human romantic love, based on
feelings and rooted in emotions. It is a love of covenant commitment and,
therefore, operates quite apart from feelings. God's love is not an emotion
that wavers day by day; it is the total commitment of His Being to seek our
highest and best, and to bring us to our fullest potential as humans. God
does not see something good and beautiful in us which arouses His feelings
of love toward us...we do not woo Him and cause Him to fall in love with
us! If that were the case, the first ugly, sinful thing we did would cause Him
to reject us.  He is Love, and He loves us because of who He is-- not
because of who we are. He does not love what we do, but He is committed
to us, pursuing us down every blind alley and bypath of foolishness. He will
not let us go. His is a love that is not looking for what it can get out of us--
but a committed love that searches for opportunities to give to us. It is
saying to the recipient, "For as long as we shall live, I am for you."  The God
who has revealed Himself to man through Scripture and, finally, in Jesus--in
His coming, and in His death and resurrection--is the God who is
lovingkindness. Thus He loves us and gives Himself to us...He will never
leave us nor forsake us.  Tragically, many believers have never seen Him as
love; they see Him as power. No one will come to faith by just seeing
miracles. Miracles point to who He is, and that is when faith springs in the
heart.  Israel did not see God as lovingkindness; they saw His acts of power.
Moses knew His ways, the kind of God He was, and the love that He had for
these people. Because of their total lack of understanding of His love, they
could not trust Him to be their strength in taking the land. Faith is born out
of knowing the love He has for us; it is the resting response to the One who
gives Himself to us. He is not the force, and to call Him the Almighty is to
miss His heart. He is Love who is the Almighty and the Infinite Force.  If
man is to make force or raw power work for him, he must depend on
knowing the forrnula and have faith in it. But the power that issues from
love demands faith in the Person of love Himself. The forty years of
meaningless wandering was a monument to a people who had never come to
know the God of love.  At this point, with the new generation and the
possibility of enjoying all that God promised, Moses prays verse 14. The
language Moses uses is reminiscent of a baby having slept secure in its
mother's love, now waking to look up into the delight of her eyes. It is
waking to the consciousness of being loved... watched over, cared for,
protected, fed, and cleaned, day and night, by the mother. Suppose we were
to ask, "What has the baby done to deserve this?" or, "Have arrangements
been made for the child to repay the parents for this inconvenience?" Our
questions would be considered unnatural, even immoral. The child was
conceived in love, anticipated and prepared for with love's excitement, a love
that has been to the gates of death to bring it into being. The parents' love is
unconditional, spontaneous...it has nothing to do with the looks of the child
or its performance. So God is love. He loves us unconditionally,
spontaneously. We were conceived in His imagination and fashioned after
His image, to be brought to where we are at this moment by the blood of the
Lord Jesus. It is slanderous, and immoral, to even ask what we must do to
earn and deserve that love. The child discovers its personhood and identity
through the eyes and touch, through the cuddles, of its parents' love. It is a
scientific fact that a baby who is not touched and held will probably die or, if
it survives, will have severe emotional problems. And a person who has been
held and loved will still never know the true meaning of life without the
embrace and knowledge of love from God. Moses prays that the new
generation will learn to wake every morning, resting with total confidence in
the love of God. and will receive all His promises and blessings with joy and
gladness. Significantly, Moses prays that they will be SATISFIED with His
love. "Satisfied." in the Hebrew language. is a rich picture word describing
being filled with an abundance of gourmet food. It is also used to describe
the earth after the rain has soaked it and all the vegetation has received
enough water. Moses prays that they will awaken every morning to be
drenched in the life-giving love of God. That sense of satisfaction is the
lifelong quest of every man and woman. When we are satisfied in our
deepest selves, many of our emotional--and even our physical--problems
disappear. Man seeks that sense of satisfaction which comes from feeling
that he is fulfilled as a human being...his hours have meaning, which make
sense out of the ordinary and mundane. Apart from God, man seeks this
satisfaction through intellectual pursuit, through the exciting of the
emotions, and through the feeding of his body...he will even seek it in
religious exercise. But man will always be dissatisfied until he is responding
to the love of the living God. Only in knowing God's love will the rest of life
make sense. As the forty years drew to a close and the land of promise again
became the inheritance to be taken, Moses prayed this psalm. I find it
fascinating that he  should pray and ask God for a daily revelation of His
love. Considering the awe with which the people held Moses. one would
think he could have lectured them on the subject of lovingkindness and, by
the knowledge they gained, they would live in it. But Moses knew
better. God is the only one who can make known to us His love. We won't
find it in a religious lecture or a formula which we can learn and use to
manipulate Him. Nor is it in a beautiful poem to titillate our emotions and
give us God feelings. It is God, himself, the Lover, who must open our eyes
and satisfy us with His love. This prayer is man, in helplessness, asking God
to make the love He is real in our hearts. Moses' prayer was partially
answered in the next generation and seen in the exploits of faith which
worked by love in The Book of Judges. But it would not be answered in its
fullest dimensions until the coming of the Holy Spirit, who pours out the
love of God in our hearts (Romans 5:5). In the history of the early Church,
we read of the Holy Spirit "falling upon" the believers. This is an ancient
expression that, in modern English, means to give a bear hug. It is used in
Luke 15 to describe the father running to the prodigal and "falling on his
neck and kissing him." The Holy Spirit is God hugging you in your deepest
self and smothering you with divine kisses at the deepest level of your
being. This is not a one-time experience to be filed in our spiritual resumes.
Moses prayed that morning by morning we would awaken to the realization
that we are loved. The world, and much of our religious training, has taught
us to perform in order to be accepted. We have spent far too long living in a
state of doing in order to find satisfaction for ourselves...to find acceptance
and love from others, and from God. We now come humbled to receive love
we cannot earn...to be still and let Him tell us we are loved: to let the Holy
Spirit descend into us, pouring out the love of God. We come in stillness to
think on and repeat His words of love to our minds. which have been jaded
with the doctrine of "perform to be accepted." We begin to realize that He
loves us as we are, and gives meaning and purpose to all of life. I challenge
everyone reading this to begin each day, from the moment you open your
eyes, by celebrating the God of love and praying this prayer. You may not
feel anything, but SOMETHING ALWAYS HAPPENS. I was X-rayed the
other day. I did not see or feel anything, but I noted that the technicians kept
behind protective walls. They know you cannot be exposed to those rays
without being affected. So it is as we consciously begin our day knowing
that we are loved. Such experiential knowledge will produce, according to
Moses, "joy and gladness all our days." Joy is the result of a life that is
functioning as God intended us to function when He made us. You might say
that joy is the hum of an engine that is at peak performance. Man' s highest
performance is to rest in the love God has for him... the hum will be joy, and
the result will be endless creativity arising from the sense of meaning he now
has in life. Stop wandering in the wilderness. Be satisfied with His love and,
in joy, day by day, receive all His promised blessings.


Yeah right, sorta like the Indian sub-contient, eh?


Not useful unless you've got some truly wonderful propulsion system for
the mother ship that can't be applied to the probes.  Otherwise it's
better to simply launch the probes independently.  The outer planets
are scattered widely across a two-dimensional solar system, and going
to one is seldom helpful in going to the next one.  Uranus is *not* on
the way to Neptune.  Don't judge interplanetary trajectories in general
by what the Voyagers did:  they exploited a lineup that occurs only
every couple of centuries, and even so Voyager 2 took a rather indirect
route to Neptune.

Solar sails are pretty useless in the outer solar system.  They're also
very slow, unless you assume quite advanced versions.


I have a few italian made stering silver necklace for sale.

size are 20" , 24" or 26"(?)
I have it as low as 2.00$+shipping(less than .29cents)
rope design necklace weight around 9 grams 20" for 9.00$ or so.
rope desgin necklace weight around 25 gram 20" for 17.00$ or so.

I only have a few left.
please respond ASAP.


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<In article <1r208f$bp2@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D.
<>No, you were right the first time.  Law enforcement agencies should keep
<>HIS opinions in mind before breaking into or assaulting ANYBODY'S house.
<
<OK, let me correct my unfortunate choice of words:  I just hope that the
<law enforcement agencies keep your attitude in mind the next time your
<wife is gang-raped by a bunch of juvenile, drug-dealing thugs while she
<was jogging in the park.  No, strike that... (etc.)
<
<>The BATF came out with horse trailers, 100 men, ninja uniforms, machine
<>guns, and stun grenades, and used them before Koresh could even look
<>at the warrant.  Koresh fought back, and people died.
<
<The key part of this sentense is "Koresh fought back."  This was his big
<mistake.  When the police decide to exert their authority over you, you
<don't fight back unless you want people to get hurt.  You cease all
<resistance and signal your submission to their authority.  The cops

They are the BOSS.  You are the SUBJECT.  The concept of defense against
illegal action under color of law is kaput.  No longer is it government
of the people by the people, its government of the people by the biggest
guns.  The idea of 'sorting it out in court later' is fine, but one
has to GET TO COURT IN ONE PIECE to do that.  Korash had good reason
to think that he was not going to get that chance.  (see below).

<aren't in it to beat up and kill people, in spite of the actions of a
<few bad apples.  If you quit resisting, they quit hitting.  Perhaps the
<BATF did over react to the threat posed by Koresh.  Perhaps they did use
<too much force.  OK, fine.  I'm willing to concede to that point if
<sufficient proof is produced (and I admit that there is some evidence to
<indicate this).  However, resisting the BATF is the worst thing Koresh
<could have done.  If they hadn't resisted, there is a good chance that
<no one would have been hurt.  Remeber, they were using stun grenades,
<not anti-personnel grenades.  If the BDs were not in violation of any

Rember, Korash didn't get to sort this all out, serenely typing at his
keyboard.  He heard SOME KIND OF EXPLOSIVES go off, he saw he was being
ATTACKED with no overt action from him (yet).  He could no more say 'oh,
its ok, its only stun grenades' anymore than I could.  He slammed the door at
that point and proceeded to repel the attackers.  He felt in genuine fear
of his life - I know I would be in fear of MY life at that point.  Have
you ever been shot at?  How clear and logically could you think, under
that pressure, when you MIGHT have ALL OF 1 or 2 SECONDS to evaluate
what is going on?  And, it would not be the first time that 'law
enforcements' intended to bring in their suspect horizontally.  For
all we know, he was informed by someone saying something like "Hey,
guy, the BATF is coming like gangbusters, and they mean to WASTE you..."

According to the latest news, the released warrant (so we are told) said
the reason for this WW III raid was that Korash's group had spent around
$200,000.00 on firearms and related stuff (over an undetermined period).
Now, even assuming that the figure isn't calculated like the Feds do a
drug siezure, for 90 people, that isn't really all that much (you priced
decent guns lately?).  Hell, I can think of a person right now that probably
has that much for ONE INDIVIDUAL, mostly machineguns!!!  Sure, he is
an avid collector, but unless a new law has been passed, it is NOT illegal,
nor an indication of anything illegal, to have a lot of guns.  Also note
that the warrant had NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT MACHINE GUNS.  So, what
is the justification of this cowboy raid, other than a romp gone bad
for some anti-gun media hype, to support Clinton's push for disarming
the unconnected citizen of any and all effective defensive weapons?
This administration has only one thing in mind.  CONTROL.  PEOPLE CONTROL.
Whether it is gun control, Clinton Cripple Chip, National smart ID cards,
it all boils down to PEOPLE CONTROL.  Can you say 1984, only 10 years late?
I knew you could...  :-)

<laws, they would have been released as they had been before.  If this
<had happened and it turned out that the BATF had used too much force,
<then the BDs would have grounds for a law suit and for federal charges
<of civil rights violations (Sounds a lot like LA, huh?  Don't take that
<wrong, I'm not commenting one way or the other about the Rodney King
<case).  But that's not what they wanted.  They got tipped off that the
<BATF was on the way in, and rather than adopting a non-violent,
<non-threatening posture to greet the BATF, they decided to fight.

And BATF knew the BDs were expecting them (via 60 minutes report).  But
they decided they were so big, so bad, they would have a cakewalk at
the BDs expense, for a nice media show anyway.  But it all turned to
shit, and the FBI taking over to manage things, we see it all turned to
shit, too.  Clinton says 'I am taking full responsibility'...  BAH.
Responsibility means to take the repercussions if it goes wrong.  Bet
you NOBODY pays any serious repercussions.  'Responsibility' only has
meaning as media PR, or as a means to corner the average Joe Schmoe.
Figure it out... Clinton, Reno, the FBI and BATF, will all be IMMUNE.
Can you say WHITEWASH?

<I've said enough of this issue.  I'm probably not going to convince any
<of you folks and you're certainly not going to convince me.  I've got
<work to do.
<
<				++Don

Be VERY afraid of our government.  In the land of the free...
And if you decide all this is acceptable, get even MORE afraid... especially
when it is YOU they decide, for some reason, they dislike...
When they no longer feel the need to confine their cowboy tactics to
'kooks', or 'wierdos'...


Go the speed limit.  As long as your not at the salt flats, you arn't gonna
frag yer ride.  I wouldn't ride the DoD minimum until it had 500+ miles on
it, but hell, I do that on a good weekend!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----


I have the following items that I have no further use for and am will
to accept best offers on either or both.

Brand new DECserver 300
	&
DECserver 200/MC

If you are interested, send your best offers.

Thanks


I read an article about a poll done of students at the Ivy League
schools in which it was reported that a third of the students
indentified themselves as atheists.  This is a lot higher than among the
general population.  I wonder what the reasons for this discrepancy are?
Is it because they are more intelligent?  Younger?  Is this the wave of
the future?


Quantum LPS240A hard disk phantom seeks

I just purchased and installed a 240MB Quantum 3.5" hard drive, model
LPS240A, and have a concern about its behavior.

Although the disk drive itself seems to behave properly with respect to
file I/O, it performs what I call phantom seeks.

When the PC is absolutely idle, I can hear a spurt of activity in the
drive every 30-40 seconds, lasting 1-2 seconds. This activity seems to
be initiated strictly within the drive itself since the disk LED never
comes on. [The disk LED is attached to the disk controller card, not
the drive.]

My other hard disk, a Seagate ST3283A, does not have this kind
behavior.

Can anyone comment on this strange phenomenon?

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Steve Harrold			swh@cup.hp.com
				HPG200/11
				(408) 447-5580


But I don't want to have to run blasted Windows every time I want to delete
a tree - it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete
some files!  It would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car.

Only because its crap, which is noones fault but their own.

By deliberately crippling the product?  Surely no...

Oh, hold on, I guess you're right.  That certainly stinks of MicroSoft
marketing techniques.

But the point still remains that a command to delete trees is not new
technology, and is the kind of thing one would have expected to see long
before Windows was even dreamt of.

Well Amen to that, but I wish it were a damn sight deader.  For a dead
product, its used an awful lot.  And I suspect its going to carry on
twitching for a long while yet, which isn't doing anyone any good.

(And MicroSoft don't appear to have given up marketing DOS, so it is a very
unusual form of death indeed).


                        ^^^^^^^

A convention for Santa Claus impersonators?  Please elaborate, enquiring minds
(those in the second and third jars from the left) want to know....


Hi all,

My skin is very dry in general. But the most serious part is located
from knees down. The skin there looks like segmented. The segmentation
actually happens beneath the skin. I would like to know if there is any
cure for this.

At the supermarkets or pharmacies, there are quite a lot of stuffs for
dry skins, but what to chose?

Thanks in advance for all advices and hints.

Reply by email preferred.


You guys are correct.  The Bricklin was produced in Canada.
The National Museum of Science and Technology here in Ottawa
has one, and sometimes they put it on display.  Most of the time,
it stays in storage because the museum doesn't have much room.
It's a big deal for a car to be Canadian and that's why they
have it.  If anybody's a fan, they also have a nice green '73
Riviera that looks like it just came out of the showroom.


in article  <735604750.28979.0@unix5.andrew.cmu.edu>,  Mark Yeck

--------->

Hey, can someone clue me in on these and other weird types of amplifiers?  Just
a brief intro to the concepts behind these would be cool.  I have the clues
on type A, B, and AB already and stuff, but these other ones are mentioned
occasionally and I dont know what they do.  I think type D is like a PWM scheme
or something.  Thanx in advanced.

---------->
The whole point to these weird amplifier types is improved efficiency.

Class D amps *are* PWM (pulse width modulation) amps which work very much like
switching power supplies. I think I've seen these things called "class S"
before as well. They're capable of very high efficiencies, and would be suitable
for very high power. I've yet to see anything like this used in an audiophile
amp, though.  I've been trying to design a three-kilowatter for the last year
(to be used as an inverter for an UPS), but have been having serious problems
with layout parasitics (10 IRF 450's in parallel... any help  with a  do-able
isolated drive ckt would be appreciated :) )

I'm not absolutely positive about this, but I beleive a 'class G' amp is one that
operates off a variable- or switched power supply rail voltage. The Carver
amps do something like this. They use some sort of phase-control circuit
(I do not fully understand its operation) to reduce the transformer size, and
I beleive that is patented. I had an M400 apart (trying to fix) and found that
it had three rail voltages that it switched between. I ran a simulation on
PSPICE and found that the topology would greatly reduce power dissipation (heat)
under large-signal conditions, or when driving reactive loads (which draw high
current at the zero-voltage crossings).


So, which one will officially be the end of the world? ;)

I can see the end of the WS now:
"Well folks, here it is.  Bottom of the ninth; bases loaded; Full count on
Sandberg in this 1-1 game.  Clemens winds, heres the pitch.  Swung on and it is a
line drive to center.  Zupcic moves to his left. He's there and.....
*****ZOT******


...<waving policeman, happy policeman, nice policeman>...

Well, not me. However, I wouldn't trade all the times I've^H^H^H^H a
close friend has been pulled over, cussed and shouted at, and finally
let off with a verbal warning in exchange for a few waves & smiles!

:-) if you like but I'm serious.

Later,


I believe that Apple, Sun and a number of other desktop machine
manufacturers have agreed with the government to incorporate
power-saving techniques;  this is also something that governments in
other countries are likely to require in the future, so expect to see
it.  This may include the ability for the system to fully power down
the monitor, via a controllable power outlet, and power it back on
automatically.  (Is this a "sell" on screen saver software companies?)

Goals for "idle" power consumption have been set at something like 30
watts for the system, not including the monitor (? don't quote me on
this).

Note that in many businesses, the savings will be substantial,
especially if you factor in reduced load on air conditioning systems.
Sun did a study that indicated that simply powering off monitors for
the night would save the company (Sun itself) on the order of $1M per
year.  Putting other (and automatic) power-saving features in would
probably have greater than double that value.

Given that we are seeing more and more reason to leave our work and
home computers on (getting faxes, automatically getting email, ...),
building power consumption control into all machines has a potential to
cut ~2% off the national power consumption, based on data I heard.


Pardonon, mi ofte konfuzigxas pri "mola" kaj "malmola".  Do: "mol-vara"?

     (I was confused between "soft" and "hard", as in "software".)


We are having problems with our Laserwriter print drivers going bad on
various people's machines on our Appletalk network.  On our network, people
have 7.0, 7.01, and 7.1 versions of the Laserwriter print driver.  We have
been solving the problem by reinstalling the print driver, but it is
time-consuming and a real pain.

The Printmonitor software also seems to go bad frequently.  We have also
just been replacing it (over and over, it seems) to keep things running.

Does anyone out there have any ideas about what may be causing the printing
software to go bad?  Are there known INIT conflicts or network conflicts?
I would appreciate communication about any similar experiences you may have
had or ideas you have.

You could send me an email directly to: karens@edc.org....


Well, the "jettison for youth fast" strategy was his. Also in hindsight, it
didn't work all that well, but I think it was more because it left the
Sharks on a tightrope without a net, not that it was inherently flawed. It
was the injuries that caused us to fall.

From all indications, it wasn't the "major" factor, but the "last straw".
There were personality conflicts among Shark management, and disagreements
over how personnel were going to be handled (not just who was being traded
vs. kept, but who was being sent to KC. What Ferriera did, if rumors are
right, was not always what the folks behind the bench wanted or needed).

I think if they'd kept Ferriera, they would have lost some of their other
management staff. Depending on which sources you trust, we might have lost
Grillo AND Lombardi AND Murdoch over the summer. Frankly, I want to keep
those three. (we may well ahve also lost Kingston, which, of course, is now
a moot point).

The Sharks have been building an organizational staff that is highly
consensual and cooperative. Ferriera wanted to run things his way. There
were conflicts. Ferriera lost. That says nothing about his skills or
accomplishments -- at that level, a lot is personality and politics.

I think he did some good things for the Sharks, but that he never fit in as
a "Shark person". I hope he succeeds beyond his wildest dreams down in
Anaheim, too, because it'll be good for hockey. (but I want the Ducks to be
doormats for a couple of years, so the Sharks succeeed first).


Gulf has changed the third parts's perception of Arabs.
1. Before, people tended to think Arabs have tough character. After seeing
Iraqis begging for surrender, people do not gave Arabs much weight.
2. People tended to think Arabs are a united people in fighting Isrealis.
After Gulf War, seeing some Arab nations beated up Iraqis in order to
waiver the debt to U.S. and Kuwaitis consistly trying to draw West nations
to hit Iraq again, people started to see Arab World as a dog cage, echoing
sound of barking.


o any of you experts want to analyze Ron Gant?
Is his early season slump because he is still swinging his bat the way
he was last year (trying to hit to all fields, etc.) or has he changed his
swing back to the "old" Gant and is just in a small early season slump.

Is his spot int he lineup even secure, especially the way he has
been hitting?

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msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu				GO CUBS!!!


	Performa 200 == Classic II
	Performa 400 == LC II
	Performa 4xx == LC III
	Performa 600 == well, nothing :)

	The Performas are made to be low-cost business solutions.  The 4xx have
bundled software, modems, etc.
	Because they have no "retail price" you might be able to get a steeper
discount on them.  Shop around.

	As far as the monitors go, buy 3rd party.  Much cheaper.


I have no problem with the idea that catechumens be dismissed before
the Eucharist.  They were not considered qualified to participate.

Does the dismissal in the early church mean that the eucharist was a
secret?  I mean, was it:

	you don't have to stay; from now on, only the membership can
	participate; you really don't have to hang around; yes, I know
	you're obliged to keep up attendance to qualify, but now is an
	exception, okay?

or was it:

	you may not stay; what happens next is secret

When we have had reason to conduct business meetings after church,
we've made it clear that only members can vote.  But we've always been
happy for non-members to stay and observe.

Do you have evidence for intentional secrecy?  (Other than rumours,
which will always happen when you have an underclass doing things not
approved of by those in power?)


it hauls butt, handles nice, but is junk.  i drove a brand new one for a day
as a loaner.  the key was already rusting...seems they stamp their keys out
of pot-metal.  all the controls seemed really junk...clutch was heavy.
door locks, power buttons, sunroof controls etc.  seemed really cheap.
no way i would pay 24k for this baby.  no airbag either.  i also drove a svx
for a day...stickered at 30k, but going out the door for 21k...a much better
buy, imo.  although it is more of a sports touring coupe...roomy etc.
the corrado is more of a small sports car.  the ergonomics and leather in the
svx was twice as nice as the corrado's.  both had smooth strong engines.


As quoted from <1993May13.212321.2563@moepi.do.open.de> by bernward@moepi.do.open.de (Bernward Averwald):
+---------------

The server overhead for this is mildly ridiculous, though (see also DESQview/X,
which does this in its DOS windows).  Do you really want xterm to wake up every
half second and whack the server into doing a bitblt?


At least locally, many shops carry a product called Goo Gone.  It works well
on scummy-gummy-sticky-goop-that-won't-go-away...  As always, color test in
an inconspicuous corner before use.


	How 'bout "Big Faus and Little Halsey" with Robert
	Redford and that little guy that was in Bonnie & Clyde.

	Good flick, IMHO.

				Michael


: Bowman is the genius...Johnson isn't.  Bowman is a great coach...Johnson,
: a very good one.  However, Bowman is really not a modern coach, and
: Patrick's solution of having him only run the team on game days, and
: delegate most of the day-to-day responsibity to the assistants is
: a shrewd managerial decision on Patrick's part.

IMHO Bowman is the perfect coach for this group of players at
this time. Johnson was the perfect coach two years ago for his
group of players. I would say we have been very lucky here in
Pittsburgh that the order these coaches came in was this one.
(Excluding the unfortunate circumstances which brought about the
change.) With the immense talent on the Penguins roster this
year, a tougher Bowman keeps the egos in check. Johnson on the
other hand, was able to inspire the younger, inexperienced players
to new heights. Both coaches have / had different strengths. Both
of which came at exactly the right time.

Another person also mentioned that Bowman is the perfect coach
for this time since nobody can argue with his decisions. How can
you argue with the coach with the best record in hockey anyway?
Playing for a great coach like that demands respect which also
keeps the egos in check.

Just a couple of ideas.


It just received FDA approval a few months ago. I have a
prescription which I haven't had to use yet. I believe the
company [Glaxol] is developing an oral form. At this stage, one
must inject the drug into one's muscle. The doctor said that
within 30 minutes, the migraine is gone for good!


   Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current
   status of his research would be appreciated.

Burzynski's work is not too promising. None of his A-1 through A-5
antineoplastons have been shown to have antineoplastic effects against
experimental cancer. The NCI conducted tests of A-2 and A-5 against
leukemia in mice, with the result that doses high enough to produce
toxic effects in the mice were not effective in inhibiting the growth
of the tumor or killing it. (These were in 1983 and 1985)

Burzynski claims that A-10 is the active factor common to all of A-1
and A-5 (something which he has not shown, A-10 has only been
extracted from A-2. He also hasn't shown that A-1 through A-5 are actually
distinct substances). The NCI conducted a series of tests using A-10
against a standard panel of tumors that included different cell lines
from tumors in the following classes: leukemia, non-small-cell and
small-cell lung cancer, colon cancer, cancer of the central nervous
system, melanoma, ovarian cancer and renal cancer. A-10 exhibited
neither growth inhibition nor cytotoxicity at the dose levels tested.

It is necessary to process A-10 since it is not soluble (Burzynski's
theory requires soluble agents), but this basically hydrolizes it to
PAG (which he calls AS 2.5). PAG is not an information carrying
peptide, something which Byrzynski claims is necessary for
antineoplastic activity. AS 2.1 (also derived from A-10) is a 4:1
mixture of PA and PAG. PA (also not a peptide) can be purchased at a
chemical supply houses for about $0.09 a gram. A-10 is chemically
extremely similar to glutithamide and thalidomide, both of which are
habit forming and can cause peripheral neuropathy. The nasty effects
of thalidomide are widely known. In spite of this similarity, A-10
does not appear to have been tested for it's potential to induce
teratogenicity or peripheral neuropathy.

Many of Burzynski's statements about the origin of his theory, early
research, past and present support by others for his work have been
shown to be untrue.

sdb


Hi,  there were a couple of articles posted to this group the other
day with the above subject heading.  Unfortunately, they expired
before I could read them.  I could really use an xterm-like thing
on my Amiga 4000; could somwone give me any information.
Thanks,
Larry R. Nittler


Hi Everyone,

	I am looking for papers/articels/books or any other
	source of information about Parametric/Variational
	Design in CAD/Solid Modeling.

	Any suggetions/references would be greatly appreaciated.

	Thanks in advance.

	Jayesh


Well, this isn't the right group for this, but I have to say that I don't
think violence is any more socially acceptable now, by any means.  How
can you say that when we used to have of pistol-toting gunslingers as
heros, or even gangland thugs being considered romantic.  Do you think
our great grandparent got yelled at by their parents for playing cowboys
and indians?  I don't think so.  That behavior was somewhat encouraged
back then, in fact.
I think the only difference between now and then is that nowadays, when
some teenager kills another one in a classroom in California, we here
about it in MA the same day.  Back in the old days, they'd never hear
about something like that, period.

Sorry about posting to rec.autos, but this is where it came up...

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How can I draw an object of a specified color over objects of varying colors
  and then erase it without having to redraw everything else?

  What's happening is this,

      If I draw it using GXcopy, it is drawn in the specified color.  If I erase
      it using GXcopy with foreground and background reversed, it erases
      whatever it overlayed.  I then need to redraw
      all of the items it crossed.  Yuch.

      If I draw it using GXinvert it is drawn in a random color - nothing
      resembling what I requested.  It properly restores the color of
      underlying objects in erase mode.

  What's the solution?


I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome
all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.
Luke 10:19


Can anyone tell me the procedure for hooking a Personal Laserwriter NTR
serially to a mac?  The documentation says it can be done, but I'm not sure of
the correct switch setting to use out of the given non-appletalk switch
options.  Also, will I need to install a new driver so that the Chooser knows
the printer is hooked up directly (not networked)?


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From: scunning@louven.berkeley.edu (Sean Cunningham)
Subject: Candlestick
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Hey folks,

Saw the Giants play ball at the 'Stick Saturday, April 17.  It was the game
where Pendelton broke up the scoreless tie in the ninth with a two-out,
two-run homer to right to win it.  (It wasn't the game where the fans
threw the give-away "fotoballs" onto the field in response to the homer --
too bad, huh?)

Well, the 'Stick is still cold.  The Saturday game ended at 5:45pm, and it
was cold then.  I can't imagine night games in April at the 'Stick.  The
wind kicked up a little, too, and I got this idea.

At most games, there's a pile of hot dog wrappers and cups and trash on
the field a lot of the time.  I propose a Kid's Clean-up Corps composed
mainly of 10-12 year old kids who would love nothing better than to run
out on the field in the fifth inning (when the guy in the Toro smooths
the infield) and grab the trash.

It might not be glamorous, but at that age I probably would have given
anything to be on the field with the ballplayers.  Everybody wins here!

Whaddaya think?


No we don't.  They might be zealous, and maybe the bureau shouldn't
exist by some people, but they ARE NOT NAZIS.

Why do people toss around the Nazi label so easily?


         Anybody for carpeting in Bosnia/Serbia?  I mean like, carpet bombing
         of Serbian positions?


I have already purchased 72-pin SIMMs for a Quadra 800 from
Memory Direct (on March 9).  How can I tell whether or not they
are composite SIMMs?  As a rule, does Memory Direct ship
composite or "regular" SIMMs?

Thank you.


This is quite corect, but a bullet hitting a burned body with little energy
will show virtually no deformation, ie a hollow point probably would not
expand, an FMJ would be "pristene".  Also the bullets will not be marked
with the lands ang grooves of a barrel, because they didn't come out of
one.  A good pathologist should be able to notice this right away.

Let us hope that the  ME's that handle these bodies are more competent
then the ones who did JFK's body.


This discussion on viewing .ps files undex X11 seems rather interesting
but I fail to understand the reason it is not contained in 2 at most
newsgroups.

I am subscribed to comp.text.interleaf and I could care less about
.ps viewing under X11. I am sure that members of this group interested in
the topic can followup by looking at other newsgroups.

Could you please remove the comp.text.interleaf from your distribution?
Just as a nettish sort of courtesy.

Best regards.

--
Leo J Irakliotis               irakliot@longs.lance.colostate.edu


That's not inner calm.  It's boredom, and it's being spoiled.  The Arena's
been as quiet as a church on many nights this year; too many of us just
take winning for granted.  It's been seemingly forever since the team
lost, and we've forgotten what it's like to feel real excitement and
surprise at victory.

While I'm glad to have the Pens doing so well, in some ways it was a better
high back when the Pens beat the Bruins two years ago, and the Rangers last
year. Too much of a good thing is not always good for you.


The 24 children were, of course, killed by a lone gunman in a second story
window, who fired eight bullets in the space of two seconds...


Hi.

Our problem is the following:

We have to design an RF link for a distance of 250 m.  We're using
standard RS232 waves (square pulses) as the modulating waves and the
carrier wave is sinusoidal.  The link has to be bidirectional.

We would appreciate any advice on the type of modulating techniques
or antennas that we should use.

Please internet email us at:  007gjf3@witsvma.wits.ac.za  (Nando)
                         or   007bww3@witsvma.wits.ac.za  (Warren)
                         or   blumenow@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za  (Warren)

Thank you very much in advance.


is this the KX-P1124 you're talking about?  or is there a KX-1124, too?
I'll assume you just forgot the P....

this light is also the power light.....  on (not blinking) just means that
the power is turned on.  if you look at the panel, it should read

      POWER
      ---------
      PAPER OUT

right?

don't know why it would do this, unless you're out of paper, that is.

when you power up the printer, assuming it does have paper, the red power
light (which, when flashing, doubles as paper out) should light, and a few
seconds later, the green ONLINE light should come on.

hope this helps.....
   --jim

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Article 31 of alt.graphics:
Newsgroups: alt.graphics
Path: news.nd.edu!moliere!rmalayte
From: rmalayte@moliere.helios.nd.edu (ryan malayter)
Subject: GeoSphere images via ftp?
Message-ID: <1993Apr26.213648.26856@news.nd.edu>
Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:36:48 GMT

Does anyone know if a digitized version of the GeoSphere image is
available via ftp?  For those of you who don't know, it is a composite
photograph of the entire earth, with cloudcover removed.  I just think
it's really cool.  It was created with government funds and sattelites
as a research project, so I would assume it's in the public domain.

Thanks for any info,
	Ryan


Fred Gilham asks (May 11) whether it is true that Kurt Goedel wrote
a version of the ontological argument for the existence of God.

Yes, he did. He did not publish it, but it will be published by the
Oxford University Press in German and with English translation in
Volume 3, due to appear this fall, of his Collected Works.

Meanwhile, you can find a summary, or perhaps the whole thing, in an
article by Jordan Howard Sobel called "Goedel's ontological proof"
in the book ON BEING AND SAYING, edited by Judith Jarvis Thompson
(sp?), published by the MIT Press in 1987.

Professor C Anthony Anderson of the Philosophy Department of the
University of Minnesota has written an article, "Some Emendations of
Goedel's Ontological Proof," which appeared in the magazine FAITH
AND PHILOSOPHY, v. 7 (1990): 291-303. It discusses some objections
that various critics have raised against Goedel's proof, and offers
a revised version of the proof that is not vulnerable to these
objections.


Or, did anyone notice that when Clinton referred to the Davidians as
'religious fanatics' that a round of spontaneous applause burst forth from
the reporters ?

To me this was not only in poor taste, but it showed the media's bias and
hostility to anyone not of the politically correct stripe.  No wonder they
have been cheerleading for the kgBATF and the FBI during this whole affair.

			Rod
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"It [collectivism vs individualism] is an ancient conflict. Men have come
close to the truth, but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell
after another. Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The
savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe.
Civilization is the process of setting man free from men."
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I don't speak for my company. We hire the 'Politically Correct' to do that.


   After hearing endless debate (READ: name-calling) over which os is better, dos
   and windows or OS/2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple
   of different operating systems, I have decided to put the two products to a
   head to head test, as so many fellow newsposters have suggested.  I have,
   however, no desire whatsoever to use a version of os/2 which wont REALLY
   do what it says (i.e. run windows apps)  OS/2 2.0-2.1 will not run windows
   apps in 386 enhansed mode, something that most larger windows apps require, but
   OS/2 2.2, which is supposed to be in beta test, is supposed to.  I have heard
   that os/2 2.2 beta is available via ftp, and I was wondering if anyone knew
   where to obtain a copy.  I would appreciate any information, as I would like,
   once and for all, to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs.

   ->Robbie<-
   z_shererrg.sfasu.edu

If you wait until May the 18th you will be able to buy the new OS/2
2.1 since it will be released at Comdex that day. It will run Windows
3.1 apps and Windows enh. mode. If you can't wait, then you can ftp a
6 months old beta version from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, but this version is
probably a lot slower than the final product.

When you do your test, please have in mind that a single tasking
system will always be faster at doing one task. The real power of OS2
lies in the multitasking and can't really be measured by a stopwatch.

Happy benchmarking.
Hans
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have coexisted in perfect harmony for the last 1000 years -
no matter what any urban navel contamplator without any real
relation to the coherence of the nature says.


Nope, here I am:	david@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov

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	"That Sun Windows thingy, what's it called?  You know, its
	really awful.  X?  Motif?  That's it - Motif! Yuck!"


Why do you let such brain dead idiots drive in the US?

Tony


	I am unable to run Quicktime 1.5 on my IIvx running System 7.1, and
	I don't know why. (If there is a better group to post this to, please
	let me know.) Quicktime 1.0 works fine, but when I try to run a movie
	in any application that supports it, Like Simple Player, Canvas or
	Word, I get the message "sorry a system error occurred '<Application>'
	unimplemented trap <continue> <restart>", I press <continue> and get
	"The application 'unknown' has unexpectedly quit, because an error of
	type 12 occurred." Substitute Simple Player or Canvas or Word for
	'<Application>, and the messages are always the same. If I restart with
	Quicktime 1.0, I have no problems. Any suggestions? I am at a loss.
		Thanks in advance. Oh yah, please email me as I don't check
		the newsgroups very often.
			Dan Bradley deb47099@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


Much of the Haight-Ashbury crowd probably had pre-existing
dissatisfactions with their lives -- dissatisfactions ameliorated by
mumbo-jumbo about 'new realities'. The only change I experienced after
LSD was to gain the knowledge that I didn't enjoy how LSD twisted my
perception.
--
Mark Pundurs


SCO ODT allows to adapt the X-Server to any non-standard (AT) keyboard
using the Xkeyboard configuration compiler xsconfig. SCO provides some
configuration files in /usr/lib/X11/xsconfig/*.kbd, e.g. for
Siemens WX200.

Question:
Is there anywhere a configuration file for the HP46021A keyboard
available ?
I am especially interested in using the HP specific keys such as
"InsertLine", "Menu".


 As far as I can see if your obstetrition has an ultrasound in his rooms
and is expirienced its use and interpretation, he should be just as
capable of reading it as any radiologist. All doctors are "qualified" to
read x-rays, u/s, ct scans etc. it is just that a radiologist does nothing
else, and thus, is only better at reading them because of all this time
spent doing this (skill in reading x-rays etc. just comes from plenty of
practice). If your obstetrition reads heaps of obstetric ultrasounds he
should be able to pick up any abnormalities that can be demonstrated by
this technique.

- Paul.


I'm going to be purchasing one of these soom for my SS2.

Does anyone have any experience with this card?

Positive or negative comments welcome!

Please respond immediately.

Thanks,

  Joe


while I

Seeing a dermatologist sounds like a very good idea if you are
worried about your dry skin.


When I use File Manager's disk copy, I find that
Windows (3.1) can read the whole 1.2MB disk at one time,
but only 98% of a 1.44 disk. It looks like a problem
of memory. However, The PC has 4MB RAM. There should be some
way to allocat more extended memory for disk copy.
Please advise me on this matter. Thanks in advance.


Anyone catch the TV show Law & Order last night (at least here in
NYC)?  They "the law enforcement people", needed to catch a member of
DoD (Department of Doom) for inflicting a computer virus in a
hospital's mainframe which ended up killing two people because wrong
amounts of medication were given to them.

Anyhow, is "Department of Doom" on the list?


Apparently you *didn't* read the whole thing.  You continue to miss the point.

[deletions]

Counselling that only provides alternatives to abortion would be just as
biased as counselling that only provides *abortion* information.  How about
providing counselling that will give a woman help in finding what *she* is
comfortable with.

Your adoption-funding idea may be a good one.  Any idea if it is feasable?

Making adoption easier on the birth-mother may help reduce abortion, but
it will *not* eliminate the need for it.  Abortion is not done just because
the mother can't care for the child and doesn't feel good about giving it
to strangers.  Abortion is done because the mother can not afford the
*pregnancy*.

Then please justify why being "human" automatically makes something valuable.
And why that includes the unborn.

No, they are not guaranteed to become productive members of society.  Even
if they do that is *MANY YEARS* in the future--until which they are a burden
on someone, or society.  There is also the matter of the mother.  Forcing
her to carry a pregnancy to term at a critical time in her life could prevent
her from being a productive member of society.

Ok, look.  It's like this.  We *are* footing the bill.  Maybe they will
take choice A.  Maybe they will take choice B.  Maybe they will take choice
C.  They can't afford any *one* of them.  If they take choice A we'd have
to pay them, say $5.  If they take choice B it would cost us $20.  If they
take choice C it will cost us $20 now and a hell of a lot more for the next
18 years.  Which one sounds the most realistic for us to be willing to pay
for?  Now some people happen not to like choice A.  Other people happen
not to like choice C (paying for it, that is).  C has been around and paid
for for years.  Even though it means we spend a lot of money, we can't in
conscience refuse to pay for it.  Now A has been around and is perfectly
legal, but it hasn't been funded in the past.  Now A is going to be funded
but some people object.  They don't like the idea of their tax money going
to pay for choice A.  So we could refuse to fund A at all.  Then those
women who can't afford any of those choices will be forced to take choice
B or C, which will cost *all of us* more money.  Most of us don't see any
reason at all why *more money* should be spent to the effect of *removing
personal choice* from some women.  The alternative is to fund A if that is
what the mother chooses.  We will also still fund B and even C if *that*
is what the mother chooses.  However, some women will certainly choose A,
and that will then save us $15 we otherwise would have had to spend.  Your
"taxes" are not being raised to fund a choice you object, they are being
*lowered* because we will fund a choice that is *legal*, despite your
objections to it.  (Actually, your taxes are not really going to go down,
as I'm sure you would point out.  But the amount that is saved in that
area can help out in another--like our massive debt.)

Those other procedures you mention only cost money.  There is no savings
in other procedures that would be required down the road without them.
(In fact, there could be additional costs down the road *because* of them.)
This is quite different from the case of abortion.

This is bullshit.  We are *not* refusing "to make the alternative affordable
too".  If we refused to pay for the more expensive choice of birth, *then*
your statement would make sense.  But that is not the case, so it doesn't.
If Clinton tried to block funding for pre-natal care and delivery (or left
it out of his health-care plan), I would certainly object.  I would also be
quite surprised.

Yes, but probably not your definition of it, or for the reasons you think.

YOU STUPID FUCK!  *WE DO* want to fund *all* the choices.  *YOU* are the
one who wants to *NOT* fund all the choices.

Your humble opinion is still wrong.  Even with easy adoption, there is still
the fact that pregnancy takes several months.  Months in which a young woman
could need to be getting an education.  (like finishing High School, entering
college, finishing college, getting a job...things that are much harder to
do if you have to "take a break" for a few months...things that have a massive
impact on her future productivity.)

You *can* have a conversation with the "mentally incompetant".  And even
though *you* personally may refuse to have a conversation with "people
you just don't like", it is still *possible* for others to have a conversation
with them.  It is *not* possible for *anyone* to have a conversation with
a fetus.

He was still biologically independent.  At least to the same extent you are
now.  He consumed nutrients and digested them in the normal manner.  He
breathed his own air.  A fetus on the other hand, gets it's nutrients already
digested by the mother.  It gets its oxygen from the mother as well.  That
is not biologically independent.

Awareness is only *part* of what makes a "member of society".  It is the
minimal conceivable requirement, yet many people seem to think that something
without awareness could still be important enough to justify the suffereing
of a true member of society.  I keep asking, but I still haven't seen a real
justification for why the life of a non-sentient creature should be worth the
suffering of a sentient being.  (I haven't read every response on the threads
I've been asking on, yet, so we'll see if I see one later.)

Anyone who can program in UNIX has a lot of experiences in the real world.


: > > However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to
: > > be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly.  Plus, I have never
: > > heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal
: > > meth and LSD.  The 60 Minute Report said it worked with "cocaine"
: > > cigarettes, pot and heroin.
: >
: > Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea
: > that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply
: > decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc.  Please explain why
: > the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like cigarettes"
: > is "just plain silly."  After all, it works just fine for nicotine...

: I'm all in favor of drug legalization, but I do see some problems with
: it. My hope is that people disposed to doing so would simply overdose
: quickly, and be done with it, before making a mess of thisgs.

It's actually quite simple. We sell Drug Use Licenses to anybody over age
18 who wants one.  Costs $100 and you're required to attend a week of
night classes on the effects of drugs on the human body. At the end of the
class, you sign an informed consent waiver acknowledging that you've been
told that drugs are bad for you, but you want them anyway. In doing so,
you giver up ANY right to state-paid medical care for whatever might
happen to you as a result of doing drugs, or any right to collect welfare
or unemployment should you lose your job as a result of using drugs. You'd
also give up your right to drive a car.

Anybody caught using drugs without a license has a choice; pay a $1000
fine and accept a backdated drug user's license, or go to prison.
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Ken Mitchell       | The powers not delegated to the United States by the
kmitchel@netcom.com| Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are
Citrus Heights, CA | reserved to the States respectively, or to the People.


Oh really?  I seem to remember this year's woofers consisting mainly of
yourself and Roger.  Boston fans were relatively quiet.

I guess the concept of a fan who is not cocky is something you couldn't
possible understand, eh?

Nah.  I doubt you really would.  You're just being a PROVOCATIVE SOB
as usual with a large stick up your but.  Of course, I mean that in the
nicest way.  :-)

And just how much bragging did YOU do, "wobbie," on r.s.b.c after
UMASS!!! beat your Quakers?

BTW.  Congratulations should go to the Sabres.  They are playing more
diciplined, and with more will to win.  They deserve it.


Except the drivers.

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil


Look up the facts first, post second.  Bernadotte was assassinated
in September 1948 by Lehi under the orders of its three commanders
(one of whom was Yitzhak Shamir).  There is no hard evidence of
complicity of the Israeli government despite some effort by the UN
and other organizations (US intelligence, Swedish government) to
find it.  However a great fuss was made over the apparent lack of
zeal of the Israeli government to track down the killers.  The Lehi
man who actually pulled the trigger later became a personal friend
of David Ben-Gurion.  The best published account in English is A. Ilan,
Bernadotte in Palestine, 1948 (Macmillan, 1989).


 > Public revelation, which is the basis of Catholic doctrine, ended
 > with the death of St John, the last Apostle. Nothing new can be
 > added.

Every so often, the Pope declares that some departed Christian is
now in Heaven, and may be invoked in the public rites of the Church.
It is my understanding that Roman Catholics believe that such
declarations by the Pope are infallible. I see three possibilities:
     1) The Church has received a Public Revelation since the death
of (for example) Joan of Arc.
     2) The Church was given a list before the death of St John
which had Joan's name on it.
     3) There is no public revelation about Joan, and Roman
Catholics are free to doubt that she died in a state of grace, or
even that she is a historical character.


An application we *must* use requires upper-case input.  I'd like to be
able to simply move my cursor into the window where that application is running
(just a text window, xterm or some such) and have everything I type be entered
as ALL CAPS.  When the cursor is in any of my many other windows, I want to
automatically return to normal functionality.  I have point-to-type set.

Is there a way to do this in X (specifically OW 3.0 on SPARCs)?  Is there a
way to mess with .Xdefaults to make a category of window do this?  Any
hints would be most appreciated.  I program in C but not X, although I can
pick up somthing that's not too involved.

Thanks kindly.


..

funny, if Koresh did say that, he was quoting St. Paul. of course,
the early Christians were persecuted too. if Koresh is a loony
because he quotes the Bible, how long is it before mainstream
Christians become the target of the FBI's loving care and attention?

jason


There is a description of something called a "fair crypto system" in the
May 1993 issue of BYTE, p. 134, attributed to MIT professor Silvio Micali.

  The way it works is as follows:

  You generate your private key S, and break it up into pieces s1, s2, s3,
s4, and s5, such that (s1 + s2 + ... + s5) mod p = S.
  You give each piece s1, s2, etc. to a different escrow agency.
  The agencies each compute g^sn mod p, and forward the result to the public
key telephone book keeper.
  The public key telephone book keeper multiplies all the g^sn mod p, reduces
the result to mod p, and this will be the user's public key.

  Now, if there were several hundered recognized escrow agencies, and the user
could give a piece of the key to each of the ones he trusted, the result would
be something of an improvement over the proposed Clipper system.


I have tried others, but I think that the Adaptec is best value for money.

I dont think you can mix the two types of drive, unless you have one of the
SCSI/IDE cards that is available.  You will have to turn your IDE off.

Instructions for drive type are included with the controller.  With some it may be
a type 1. no matter what the disk is.  With others it may be a type 47.  I had one
controller that I had to tell the BIOS that no hard disk was installed.

Do not low level format a SCSI unless you have the SCSI low level format program.
First use fdisk to set the partitions, then use format.


I do not know of any "VGA" type cards that have BNC outputs but, EXTRON
sells a VGA to BNC cable set that works good with my 5FG.  If you are
trying to optimize the display with a good video card try contacting #9,
@ 1-800-get-nine.  I use and like the level 9 card.


Anyone have any experiences to report using PhoneNet PC?
We're thinking about investing in one of these cards for
our lone PC at work.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ken Gantz           kgantz@cup.portal.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


A few questions for Janet Reno:

	Why don't you think generals have any place in law enforcement?

	If the ATF/FBI had proof that Koresh was:

		A child molester
		A child abuser
		A wife abuser
		Bigamist
		Sexual Deviant (not a crime in all 50 states, yet)
	As well as
		Illegally modify weapons

	Why wasn't he simply arrested during one of his morning jogs?  Why did
the allegations of child/wife/sex crimes only come out after the Branch
Davidians repelled the initial assualt?

	Was it because it became necessary to demonize David Koresh?  Do you
feel responsible for the deaths of over 80 people?  How many would be alive to
day if Koresh had been arrested outside the compound?

	Inquiring minds want to know.

	[Although Janet was installed after the siege began, her purge of the
justice dept. leaves only her people in charge.]


Users can't find the cursor?  Run "xneko" - it'll turn the cursor into a
mouse (rodent variety (-: ).  If your users still can't find it, the cat will!


Actually, just after the FIRST world war, many Muslims were killed by Serbs.
Under Serbian-led regime between the two world wars, many Croats were
also killed (especially during the dictatorship introduced on Jan. 6, 1929).
Some Croats formed a resistance movement "Ustashas" (Insurgents) and
were forced into exile, to fascist Italy, which sheltered them.  In exile,
they practiced a terrorist approach to liberating Croatia; while Croats in
Croatia followed the approach of peaceful negotiations under the leadership
of Vladko Macek.  After the Axis powers took control in the SECOND world
war, Vladko Macek refused to collaborate, so Ustashas were brought in
to run the newly formed puppet state.  This state included both Croatia and
Bosnia-Herzegovina, and its ideology saw Muslims as the best Croats
("flowers of Croatian people").  Some Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina
therefore joined Ustashas.  However, even more others did not; they
joined Tito's Partisans.    The Ustashas membership peaked at
less than 1% of Croat and Muslim population of that area at that time.

After WWII, Muslims were still considered a religious minority descended
from Croats or Serbs who converted to Islam centuries ago.  But, in 1968,
it was decided that forcing Muslims to declare their nationality as
either Serbs or Croats is not a good policy.  Dobrica Cosic, the current
president of the rump Yugoslavia, was strongly opposed, and sought to
prevent the category "Muslim" (in an ethnic sense) from appearing on the
next census.  He was criticized and expelled from the party.  So, since
that time, Bosnian Muslims are considered a separate nationality, although
some still deny this and insist that they choose either Serb or Croat
nationality.


Could you be more specific?  I need that file too but couldn't find it
amongst ALL the directories at wuarchive.


Well that's really great Pat.  I guess since you've played a little you thereby
qualify as an expert.  Especially since you watch all the games on t.v.  All
that qualifies you as is a armchair quarterback or a coach potato

Pat Walker


Indeed Yaqouv, just like the ugly hatred spread by Kahane and
Kahanists, right?   Or they are exempt from condemnation, and allowed
to hate?

I know you'll answer me indirectly, it doesn't bother me a bit.
Keep it up.

Steel (who's never pissed off).


Hello,

I am new to this news group, but I need some info.  I am
currently doing a project for a class on the Internet.  I am
looking for good sources of information on space and astronomy,
more notably, our own solar system.  If anyone knows any good
sites where I can get information about this kinda stuff, please
e-mail me at STK1663@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU.  Thanx.

                                ----Steve

(my newsreader doesn't have a .sig yet, sorry.)