Here in Georgia, the state legislature in 1992 "accidentally passed a law
lobbied for by Opthamologists prohibiting anyone but a licensed MD from
giving shots. They were trying to limit Optometrists from competing with
them.
They inadvertantly forbade nurses, EMTs, dentists, and tattoo artists
from "piercing the skin." (probably diabetics too). The Secretary of State's
office announced on June 30th that they wouldn't enforce it pending
reconsideration in the 1003 Legislature. In the hassle over the state flag
I heard nothing about repealing it.


EPS _IS_ plain postscript. It is only wrapped by some comments and stripped
of any dubious commands for compatibility. You can simply do

%!

save gsave
/showpage {} def

% Include eps file here

grestore restore

showpage

% end of file

and this way show it on it's natural page position and size.

Programs may use the %%BoundingBox: comment in the EPS file to do
arbitrary scale, rotate and translate to include it in more complicated
ways than above.


Please post to news, too.


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  Your information on this topic is very much out of date.  Quantum Electro-
dynamics (QED - which considers light to be particles) has been experimentally
verified to about 14 decimal digits of precision under ALL tested conditions.
I'm afraid that this case, at least in the physics community, has been decided.
Laymen should consult "QED - The Strange Theory of Light and Matter" by Richard
P. Feynman and for the more technically minded there's "The Feynman Lectures on
Physics" by Feynman, Leighton and Sands (an excellent 3 volumes).  Case closed.


I've posted a couple of notes about encountering this problem. Based on some
suggestions from:

Mark Aitchison, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
	and
Chris A. Larrieu @cs.wm.edu

I think that my problem is a screen saver that also outputs sound (to my
PC speaker). I'm still looking at some of the other screen savers that I
use (with a randomizer), but this one definately caused the loss of several
minutes over night (but not the date this time).


I don't know about the paranoia and irrationality, but the rest is
pretty close, all though you left out the inability to breath.  Of
course you can make a claim that people will do some fairly deranged
things to get away from it.  I've seen teenagers flatten 200lb. drill
sergeants to get out of tents full of it.  Which raises another
issue....

What they didn't mention is that IN THE OPEN, it probably wouldn't do
TOO MUCH harm to children, although I wouldn't use it in close proximity
to infants.  On the other hand, IN CONFINED spaces, the effects are
GREATLY intensified, to the point of LETHALITY, since a sufficient
quantity of CS will displace OXYGEN.  When running a CS chamber CAREFUL
attention is paid to ventilation.  I wonder if they checked to see if
any of the BDs were asthmatics or suffered from other respiratory
diseases.  I doubt it.


You must be kidding, right? In losing Stevens the Blues got Shanahan and
kept
Joseph. Then they traded Oates for Janney. As a Hawks fan you have got to
respect those "hapless" names. 8^) Lets see, who scored the game winning
overtime goal in the 4th game???


: BULLSHIT!!! In the Gulf Massacre, 7% of all ordnance used was "smart." The
: rest - that's 93% - was just regular, dumb ol' iron bombs and stuff. Have
: you forgotten that the Pentagon definition of a successful Patriot launch
: was when the missile cleared the launching tube with no damage? Or that a
: successful interception of a Scud was defined as "the Patriot and Scud
: passed each other in the same area of the sky"?
:
: And of the 7% that was the "smart" stuff, 35% hit. Again - try to follow me
: here - that means 65% of this "smart" arsenal missed.


I have been using both IDE (or MFM) and SCSI drives for years.  I have 2
IDE and 1 SCSI on one system and the other with 2 IDE, 2 SCSI disk, and
1 SCSI CDROM.  I currently using ALWAYS IN2000 SCSI card, but I also have
a Future Domain, a Western Digital SCSI card, and I work with an ADAPTIC
before.  As I recall, all these cards can support boot and floppy drive.
However, to use with other controller (IDE, MFM...) the boot drive has to
be the IDE (or MFM).  You CAN NOT boot from the SCSI if you have other
controller in the system.  If you guys only have 2 drives (1 IDE, 1 SCSI).
just set up the IDE in your CMOS setup.  Make sure you can boot from it.
Then, set up the SCSI controller (IRQ, DMA, etc). Set the SCSI drive to
ID 0.  Just plug and play for all the cards I seen so far.  Only if you
have more than 2 drives then you need driver for the third drive and so
on.  If you have more question, email me, I will try to answer it.
Good Luck!


You may have been emailed this, but the IIsi's power supply is not rated to
handle the GC board.  Remember when the si came out and everyone complained
about it's power supply.  This is one result of apple providing a low-cost
computer and I think they got a lot of flack for having a relatively high end
computer (at the time anyways) that couldn't even support their own video
board.  Even if this isn't what is causing your problems, you might develop
one later.


Couldn't replacement become expensive?

-David


Diamond Video cards (stealth, viper, speedstar, etc...)
may have excellent specifications, and the windows drivers that
come with them might make windows BLINDINGLY fast, BUT:

If you're considering buying a system, with a view to using
it to run Unix (Linux, bsd, etc...) or some other special software,
there is a good chance that it WILL NOT WORK with the Diamond cards.
This is due to Diamond's propriety attitude to it's hardware:
it's impossible to get free information from them about their chips
(specifically their dot-clocks) without paying, and signing non-disclosure
agreements.

This made it impossible for the Free Software Foundation to provide
X-Windows compatibility with these cards, as diamond didn't want to
divulge programming neccessities.

As far as I know only Diamond has this propriety on it's info.


Michael, you sent your inquiry to the bmw mailing list, but the sw
replaces your return addr with the list addr so I can't reply or
manually add you. please see my post re the list or contact me directly.


bosox-request@world.std.com
to mail to the list: bosox@world.std.com


It's worse than you show it.....look for Janet REno and others to
link the words "child abuse" and "p[rivate stores of guns" from
now on out.


	I'm not sure it has been established that the government can
	prevent you from sending an algorithm abroad.  The NSA seems
	to have won by intimidation so far.  Why don't you try it? ;-)
	Of course you could just distribute your algorithm widely for
	free and screw them up big time.  (That would be my approach ;-))


        I have that book, and the way I read it is, one side of the
conversation MUST be from outside the United States.
        Of coures, that ASS U MEs that the NSA plays by the rules...


[to Benedikt Roseneau ]

#In article <1qv6at$fb4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>
#
#>#The information of that is invariant under your child being a son or
#>#a daughter and singing about Santa Claus. Wasn't your argument that
#>#"there has to be more"?
#>More than what?
#More than we assume.

Which is what, exactly?

#>(a) Most of the people I debate disagree with my premises.  Hardly debate
#>    otherwise.
#
#Your favorite point that we sense so it hs to be there has been challenged
#more than once. When I did it, you said, "good question", and did not
#address it.

I've addressed "it" (your caricature is not my "favourite point", needless
to say) at length in a previous outing, and am currently discussing it with
Eric Rescorla.

#>(b) There's little point in responding the same points everywhere; I do
#>    my best to give everyone the courtesy of a reply.
#
#You still repeat that point.

I do? Curious, since I believe that was the first time I've ever made it.
Not that repetition would imply much more than your seeming inability
to understand; you ask me the same question, I'll give you the same
answer, especially when in this case, I know the answer to be true.  I
do my best to give everyone the courtesy of a reply, but if everyone is
making the same points, and I'm pushed for time, then I try to respond what I
believe are the strongest formulations of those points.  If that doesn't
include your post, tough; this is USENET, and life is tough all over.

#>(c) Since there's a great deal of responses this isn't always feasible;  I
#>    do my best to honestly answer questions put to me.
#
#You drop out of debates with some posters and continue with others. You appear
#with the same issue every n months, and start the dicussion at the beginning
#again.

I've only debated this issue twice in a.a, and occasionally in t.a.  The
first was in response to Simon Clippingdale's positive assertion that
disagreement about moral values inexorably acknowledges that morals
are relative.  It doesn't.   Now, Simon has dropped out of the debate
for some time; I take that to mean that he is either busy, or bored
with the topic.  I certainly do not accuse him of dishonesty.  Do you?

#>(d) I can't always understand what you say
#
#Neither can't I understand you all the time. Usually, one asks what the other
#side means.

Usually, one does.  Usually you're clear, but sometimes you aren't
and I ask you what you mean; other times you seem to get extremely uptight
and I feel that I'm debating against line noise.  Sometimes I get tired, and
sometimes I have other things I'd rather do.  Again, this is USENET, and
life is tough all over.  You're going to have to deal with it.

#>(e) You're starting to get personally insulting; I may not even put your name
#>    in the hat in future.
#
#That's supposed to be a threat?

No, that's a simple statement, and an assertion that I am not answerable
to those who offer me baseless insults.  For example, those who accuse me
of lying about my personal beliefs, while also complaining that I don't answer
their questions.

#>#Like that you what you sense is evidence for the sensed to be there.
#>#If only everything would be so easy.
#>
#>What almost everyone senses is evidence for the sensed to be there.
#>Because to all intents and purposes, it *is* there.
#> #We had that argument. For one, your claim that everyone senses it
#is not founded, and you have been asked to give evidence for it often.
#And then, the correct statement would be it is reason to assume that it
#is there unless evidence against it has been found.

I have no problem with the second statement.  I have provided an
argument that almost everyone senses that Freedom is valuable - the
only cogent objection to this came from jon livesey, and was offered
by some other people too: essentially, that people disagree about
fuzzy concepts such as Freedom.  It's a good point, and I'm thinking
about it.
#
#Your trick is to say, I feel A is not right, and so do many I know,
#therefore A is absolutely right. It neglects the possibility that
#these people consider A to be right as an effect of the same process,
#restricting the claim of its absoluteness to those who have been subject
#of that process. In other words, refutes it. You make the ontological
#claim, you have to prove it.

Nonsense.  My "trick" is to say:  I feel that A is better than B and so
does almost any disinterested person I ask.  Best evidence is therefore
that A really is better than B, subject to the assumption that we
can establish to our mutual satisfaction what we mean by A and B, and
that the resulting system of values is self-consistent.

Now get this:  "really is better" is an idealisation, a fictional model,
in the same sense that "real material existence" is a fictional model. It
may or may not correspond to something true.  It is nonetheless a useful
_assumption_.  Far more useful than the equally assumed relativist
"trick", to wit:

I feel that A is better than B, and so does almost any disinterested person
I ask.  However, if even one person disagrees that A is better than B,
or if even one person dissents from mutually agreed definitions of A and B,
then it is the case that B is better than A for that person, and nothing
more can be said.

I say this is useless because it inexorably implies that a supermajority
seeking to maximise A cannot morally take action against someone seeking to
maximise B (e.g. a terrorist).  To do that would be to claim that
a supermajority's carefully considered morality would be better than the
terrorist's - which would, of course, be true, but a no-no for an ethical
relativist.  To claim that ethical relativism implies anything else is
simply weasel words, and an example of compartmentalisation to rival
anything in the world of religion.

#>#For a similar argument, I sense morality is subjective, it does not
#>#hurt me to do things that are considered to be objectively wrong by
#>#others.
#>
#>If you mean that you do things that some others consider objectively
#>wrong, and it turns out not to be the case for you - of course this
#>is possible.  It is neither evidence for subjectivism, nor evidence
#>against objectivism (except sometimes, in a pragmatic sense).
#>
#It serves as a counterexample for that everything that is subject to
#judgements is absolute. And as long as you don't provide evidence for
#that there is something universally agreed upon there is no reason to
#believe your hypothesis.

I've done this: freedom, with the proviso that I still have to
answer jon's objection that fuzzy concepts like freedom have no
objective meaning.

#Further, in order to make morality absolute, universal, or objective,
#you would have to show that it is independent of humans, or the attributes
#above look quite misleading.

Not really.  What evidence is there that _anything_ exists independently
of humans?  You'll be hard pressed to find any that isn't logically
equivalent when applied to values.

#>An analogous set of premises would be:
#>
#>Premise 1:  Some people believe that objectively speaking the shortest
#>            route  from my house to a bar is through the main entrance
#>            of the estate, and down the Malahide road.
#>
#>Premise 2:  I checked it out, and found that the shortest route from my
#>            which is much closer.
#>
#>You would never deduce from these that there is no shortest route from my
#>house to a bar; yet that is seemingly how you derive your relativist claim,
#>using premises which are logically no different.
#>
#
#No. Morals are a matter of belief so far. The people still believe that the
#shortest way is through the main entrance. No agreement on *belief* here.
#And in order to have an analogy you would have to show that there is a
#shortest way and that there is a method to convince everyone of that it
#is the shortest way indeed. In other words,  your analogy works only when
#one assumes that your  premises are right in the first place. If not, it is
#a fallacy.

And if this were an argument for objectivism, you'd be right.  It isn't,
though, it's a demonstration that the argument you gave me is neither argument
*against* objectivism, nor argument *for* relativism.  Your gimmick is to
assume in the first place that values aren't real, and to use this to "prove"
that values aren't real.  In other words, you beg the question against me.


I have the task to program a X application for the first time and have some severe difficulties creating a window in which I can draw something.
Unfortunately some basic books on the topic of X application programming are not available to me for the moment.

I am running a hp720 with hpux 8.07, VUE and X11R4 using Xt anbd Xaw.

What I did until now:
I initialized the X Intrinsics cxreating a top level widget with XtAppInitialize. I passed as a application_class name 'commandWidgetClass'.
Then I set the argument values for window height and width using XtSetArg and
passed it to the toplevel widget with XtSetValues.
When I call XtRealizeWidget, I get a window of the specified size, but I have no idea how I can draw something in it.

Can anybody send me some help and perhaps some basic information how to use the widgets ?
In which situation it is useful to use them and in which not ?

Thanks very much in advance

Soenke

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Soenke Voss                                                 Faculty of Economics
soenke@wiwi12.uni-bielefeld.de                           University of Bielefeld
                                                                         Germany


Old Nick (the little devil!) wibbles:-
%
% Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.
%
   Newbie?  Eh?  Slap yer' credentials  on the table, Pete.  That'll  show
   him!

%
% I'm terribly sorry.
%
   And so you damned well should  be...  young whipper-snapper!  It's  wet
   kippers at ten paces if there's any repeat of this sort of thing!

   Now, in keeping with the  grand tradition of wreck.moto, let's  mutate!
   Take your partners by the hand...

   On Tuesday morning I spent a couple of hours (when I -should- have been
   working) with a  torch, brazing bits  of scrap metal  over the  biggest
   holes in  Yamadog's exhaust  pipes (s'mazin'  what you  can do  with  a
   couple of AA  cells and a  three-volt bulb!).   I stuck some  "gun-gum"
   into the smaller holes and bunged the pipes back onto the bike.

   So, last night  I'm on the  way home  when lo' an'  bloody behold,  the
   sodding thing starts  blowing again.   I check  it out and  the gas  is
   escaping from around  the clamp holding  the number two  pipe into  the
   port.  As far as I can see (it being somewhat "hole of Calcutta" at the
   time!), the nuts are still there  (stop that bloody sniggering, you  at
   the back!), but the pipe is a bit loose.

   This morning  I go  out to  the bike  and pull  out the  socket-set  to
   tighten up me' nuts (somebody give that  spotty kid at the back a  good
   slap  round  the  back  of  the  head!),  and  lo'  an'  bloody  behold
   a-bloody-gen, I find that the outer skin of the pipe has separated from
   the inner sleeve right at the clamp-mating bevel.  So, I stuff in a bit
   of baked-beanz can and a bit more of Mr Holts' very best "gun-gum"  and
   come to work (late again!) so that I  can ask of the oracle...  Will  a
   brazed joint hold that close to the exhaust port?  Anybody tried it?

   Oh, and if anybody can tell me  what the differences are between a  205
   and a  207  brazing  rod (made  by  "Gaz"  [Yup!   the  camping  folks.
   Surprised the marmalade outa' me, too!] in that place just off the Isle
   of Wight) I'd be eternally  grateful (twenty-sodding-quid for two  rods
   and I don't even know what I'm buying.  Bloody kanji!).

--
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan |


I  must  finally  admit the total truth that is central to the
core of my being.

   I  am  a  homosexual.   Not  just  a  normal,  run-of-the-mill
homosexual,  but  a  rabid homosexual Zionist.  I hide behind the
facade  of  pro-Israel  rhetoric so as to deflect suspicion of my
true  motive:  the exchange of romantic dialogue with Nick Steel,
and  our  frequent  fudge-packing   adventures,  which   we  have
endeavored  to maintain at a discreet level.  Of course, the need
for discretion has been obviated by my own admission here.

   The  truth  is  that  I  could  no longer hold this saccharine
secret  any  longer.   I love  you,  Nick,  and  my  love for you
surpasses  that  which  I  hold  for Eretz Yisrael, may she stand
forever, as our love has, and as your erection insinuating itself
into my kosher rectum always will.


	HOW TO GET A VERBAL WARNING FOR 146 IN A 55

It's simple.  First, it has to be the first really nice riding day
of spring.  The bike is back together again, and so are you.  Grab
all your gear, put it on, and fill the tank with 94 octane premium
or better.  Head out.

	In Ames, there is a road that leads to the little town of
Gilbert.  Gilbert has one stop light, if that tells you something.
Having just gotten the bike back together, I thought I'd take it
for a short ride and check things out.  Heading out of town, I
went into the twisties at a slow pace, just under the speed limit,
and started leaning around.  The pace quickened as everything felt
just right.  Finally, the road straightened and I was ready for a
bit of speed.  Grab third gear, open her up.  At roughly 90mph
grab fourth gear.  Look at as much of the bike as you can, and fail
to notice a state trooper following a quarter mile behind.  Twist
the throttle like a fool, grab fifth gear at 130 or so, and see
just how well she's been put back together.

	At 146 (according to radar) I noticed the front fender was
flexing a bit.  Thus, I slowed, pulled off the road, removed my
helmet and gloves, unslung the took kit I was carrying in a fanny
pack, and was just starting to tighten that fender when the trooper
pulled in all hot and flustered.

	"Have you *ANY* idea how fast you were going?"
"Not precisely, no.  I was paying attention to the bike and road,
not the instruments.  I just got her back together last night, and
I'm just out here testing her out before I ride it in traffic."
	"My radar says you were at over 145mph.  Care to tell me why
I shouldn't give you a ticket?"
"Because I was testing the motorcycle away from population and
traffic, on a strait and flat road, while wearing all the protective
gear that safety demands?" (note: I wasn't quite that eloquent)
	"Say, what kind of bike is that, anyway?"
<I was eloquent on my cafe racer replica Honda 750, a Rat Bike>
	"Yeah, I haven't had my bike out of the garage in years."
<compare riding stories>
<pack toolkit, having tightened that fender>
	"So why were you out here?"
"I figure every other idiot on the road is going to look right through
me.  If the bike fails somehow in a 35mph zone, I'm dead.  If it holds
up out here, then I know it will work right in traffic.  I do this
evvery year when I rebuild her."
	"Not any more.  You'll find a better place than *my* highway
to do those speeds.  If I *ever* catch you speeding on my highway
again I'm going to nail you for everything I possibly can.  Now get
out of my sight before I write you a ticket."
"Yes, officer."
	"And kid, keep your eyes open out there..." <drives off>

	And that, in a nut-shell, is how to get a warning for 146 in a 55.
I don't guarantee that it will work for you, but it worked for me.


Should come with visual basic. New version is vbrun200.dll.
Thx Dave L


I'm selling an Adaptec 1640 SCSI controller card.  I works with Microchannel
machines only.  The data transfer rate is very fast (I get about 3meg/sec with
my SCSI hard drive), and that's with relatively slow 100ns RAM on a card.  It's
a SCSI-2 true bus mastering/DMA device, and goes for around $329 bought new.
I'm including the new EZ-SCSI software for speedy Win 3.1 performance and easy
configuration.
I'm selling it for $225, and I'll pay the COD shipping.


Well, there *is* the standards document.  From the FAQ:

12) How to order standards documents.

The American National Standards Institute sells ANSI standards, and also
ISO (international) standards.  Their sales office is at 1-212-642-4900,
mailing address is 1430 Broadway, NY NY 10018.  It helps if you have the
complete name and number.

Some useful numbers to know:

CGM (Computer Graphics Metafile) is ISO 8632-4 (1987).  GKS (Graphical
Kernel System) is ANSI X3.124-1985. ...

You might also want to look at gplot from the folks at the Pittsburgh
Supercomputer Center.  Fish around at calpe.psc.edu.  It is pretty
nifty.

							spl


No you do not need to reformat your old HD.


Please post your response as well.  I think many would be
interested in this one.  Thank You.
--


FOR SALE:

Kenwood Audio/Visual Surround sound Receiver.
* 1.5 yrs old, perfect condition, still under 5 year warranty.
* 75 watts x 2 front + 5x2 watts rear surround.  Dobly surround.
* 3 video, 2 tape, 1 CD, 1 Phono input.
* Full easy-touch button control for all functions
* Bass/treble/balance/rear level knobs
* Earphone input
* Digital synthesized tuner with 20FM/10AM presets.
* Full logic-remote control:  with volume, mute, tuner and other controls.
* Has three outlets in the back, can connect all your equipment and turn them
  on at the same time
* Includes manuals, cables, and original packaging.

A great addition for anyone starting out a home theater, or stereo system.

Originally purchased at $379, Asking $150.

email:  jburgin@ralph.cs.haverford.edu
phone:  215-645-5620


   Doug Holland claims Tom Clancy has provided the recipe for nuclear bombs.
   Clancy himself says he has omitted certain crucial steps. Further, how do we
   know Clancy knows, rather than repeating what he's read or been told in the
   unclassified domain?

On the other hand, when John Aristotle Phillips was a junior at Princeton
trying to keep from flunking physics by doing a terrific term paper,
his atom bomb design was good enough that it got classified.
A few of the steps were derived from social engineering
(e.g. the name of the explosive), but it was fundamentally sound (and DID get an A.)
The Pakistan embassy also called him up trying to get a copy;
at the time they were lobbying the US government to get some nuclear
reactors for "purely non-military" electrical power generation.


Ego Trip...


Our university is wanting to buy a couple of servers to provide Email
to students (@ 2300) and faculty (@ 250). Two servers are being
lokked at for one to provide news service and one mail service from a
proposed Internet connection. Are there any foreseable problems with
this proposed set up? Provided that IHETs is providing an Ethernet
line from a Cisco router into our network.

2 X 	486 DX 50 MHz
	SMC Elite 32 or 32TP EISA  NIC
	Dual Duplexed 2.5Gb SCSI-2
    	with 5yr parts and labor on everything but the hard drives
	running UNIVEL UNIX for Application Servers

We will run CC:Mail on a campus wide Novell network to access these
<hopefully>. Is there any other aspect I should be looking at?

Which NIC do I use?
Is this enough disk space?
etc...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


A young French skeptic, who reads (skeptically) the UFO review OVNI
Presence (O.P.), sent me the following excerpt from an August 92
issue of this review (R.G. = Robert Galley, French minister of
defense in 1974, answering about the Belgian UFO wave):

"O.P. : Can you conceive that the U.S. could allow themselves to send
 their most modern crafts over foreign territory, with the Belgian
 hierarchy ignoring that ?"
"R.G. : Absolutely ! The best proof which I can give is that, some time
 ago, without informing the French authorities, the U.S. based in
 Germany sent a plane to make photos of Pierrelatte (*). We followed
 this plane, and, after its landing on the Ramstein airport, Colonel X
 got back the shots of Pierrelatte. The U.S. had not informed us..."
(*) There is an important military plant of enrichment of uranium at
Pierrelatte (Drome).

What kind of plane could it be ? Surely not an SR-71, which our planes
could not follow (and still can't)...


Meng,

I have a better prayer:

Dear God,

     Please save the world from the likes of these!!!


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Their 1991 catalog lists the NB-8G as follows:

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   other National Instrument boards
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 > Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and
 >not a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for
 >system- security.

	>> The only theory that makes any sense is that S1 and S2 are
	>> either the same for all chips, or vary among very few
	>> possibilities, so that anyone trying to break the encryption
	>> by brute force need only plow through the possible serial
	>> numbers (2^30, about one billion), multiplied by the number
	>> of different S1, S2 combinations.

Suppose instead that S1 and S2 can be reconstructed given 3 or 4 of the
unit keys generated in a single batch (through some sort of known
plaintext attack, say).  Suppose further that 3 or 4 of the chips
programmed in each session never find their way into commercial
products, but instead end up "elsewhere".

Suppose the folks at "elsewhere" can determine a unit key, given
physical access to one of these chips.  Then those same folks can
determine S1 and S2 for the whole batch...

Too many suppositions?  Yeah, probably.


(WITH-COUNTERFLAME-ENABLED

 Columbus was indeed a crank, but not in the manner you think.

 The fact that the world was round was well known when he set sail.  It was
 also well known that the circumference was about 25K miles, and that you could
 not reach Asia bo going west with current technology -- you would neither be
 able to carry enough supplies, nor get a long enough stretch of good sailing
 weather.  Nobody thought he would fall off the edge of the world.  Instead,
 they expected him to die at sea.

 Columbus thought for no good reason that the circumference was only 16K miles,
 making the trip practical.

 Unfortunately for Columbus and his shipmates, the Earth's circumference is
 indeed 25K miles.

 Fortunately for Columbus and his shipmates, there was a stopping place right
 about where Asia would have been had the circumference been 16K miles.

 My source is the recent PBS series on Columbus.

)


Them thar's fighting words...hardly a force...geez...miss the playoffs
once in 15 years, and even after making the final four 3 times in the
last five years, and everyone thinks its doomsville.

Fedorov, Primeau, Kozlov, Lidstrom, Sillinger, Konstantinov, Drake,
Kennedy, Racine, and Cheveldae were already in the pipeline due to
Devellano...Murray inherited these guys...in addition to Yzerman,
Probert, Carson, Chiasson, etc.

No...Quinn had far less...Murray took over Detroit at a time to
take advantage of all of Devellano's good drafting...if Devellano
had not given in to Demers request to make the Oates trade, he might
still be GM.


I too had a very unpleasant experience with "Hardware That's Shi*". It
featured repeated lies about when things had shipped, a salesperson who
was totally ignorant about what he was selling, a charge for duties I
had specifically been assured were not payable and then a monitor (their
house brand 2-page monochrome) that was the most unadulterated piece of
junk it has ever been my misfortune to experience in the world of
electronics.

I shipped it back and they refunded my money, but it still cost me
something over $200 for long distance charges, non-refundable taxes
and duties and lost time.


George William Herbert sez:

I like your optimism, George.  I don't know doots about raising that kind
of dough, but if you need people to split the work and the $700M, you just
give me a ring :-)  Living alone for a year on the moon sounds horrid, but
I'd even try that, if I got a bigger cut.  :-)

-Tommy Mac
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Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk   \\ As the radius of vision increases,
18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.


[ Lots of stuff deleted because I felt like it ]

This MS bashing has definitely lost all its humor value.

I think most of the people posting are forgetting that most users
of MS products do not even know about internet, and Unix is that
very unfriendly place where bizzare abreviations replace the rather
comfortable abreviations they know. And the abreviations have subtle
differences between the different vendors. While PC users tend to
customize any windowing setup, they can not do much with their
command line.

So to most of the computer users in the world MS product symbolize
quality. MS has made their life easier, and more productive and to them
that is quality. They do not care about what innovative things MS has
done, other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot
easier. You may know better than most computer users in this world
but that will not change their perception.

Face it until Unix come up with a decent GUI that is available to
all variations of Unix it just will not catch on with the mainstream
of computer users. We here on the net are not mainstream computer users.

Brian
--

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are mine not those of BNR.


You started it...

You most certainly did!

Sabo is clearly a better hitter than Samuel.  Yet you would pinch-hit
Samuel because you predict that Samuel will be a clutch hitter and
Sabo will be a choke hitter.  Right?  I'd call that "predicting the
future".

Right.  I would have used aspects of prior performance which have been
shown to be consistent in the past.  Overall performance, L/R splits,
even matching hitting/pitching styles.  All of these will give me some
advantage if used properly.

EVEN IF ALL ELSE WERE EQUAL, there would be no advantage gained by
looking at past clutch performance.  And in this case, everything else
pointed to Sabo.

That comes down to the same thing.  When Perez left Sabo in, he
was predicting the future, the next AB.  He was predicting that
Sabo was more likely to get a hit than Samuel.

By supporting the swap, you are predicting the opposite.

Well, yes.  You are aware of its existance.  You claim to be incapable
of understanding it (though I suspect you are simply unwilling).  Yet
you rather forcefully state the opposite.  You don't seem to think the
work is worth reading (yet you obviously feel the topic is important).
I'd say this is insulting.

RIGHT!  This is the beef.  It has not proven to be an indicator of
future performance under *any* circumstances.  At least none that
we've been able to come up with.  If you know of some where it *is* an
indicator of future performance, please let us in on your secret.

Most certainly.  As I have repeatedly stated, if you can come up with
a study which even *hints* at a consistent clutch ability, I would
love it!  However the straightforward attempts at such a study have
all failed miserably.

Well, it was a stupid argument.  (Are you honestly debating that???)
Sure, we know Sabo didn't get a hit.  We have no idea whether Samuel
would have done any better or not.  One AB most certainly doesn't
prove anything!

Is this simply a prediction for Chris Sabo for this year?  Or is this
a prediction for *all* batters who have, over the past few years, hit
(xxx amount?)  worse in the clutch than overall?

If you mean the first, then as you say, we'll just have to wait and
see.  But the second is a much stronger statement.  In fact, it
suggests a rule.  We can then test this rule on past data to see if it
worked for recent years.  I think you will agree that if the rule
didn't work last year or the year before, that it is unlikely to do
any better this year.  Right?

I'm not going to get into case analysis.  Sure, you can find somebody
who hit poorly from '89-'91 and then hit poorly in '92 as well.  You
can also find those who hit poorly from '89-'91 and then hit *well* in
'92.

Gambler's fallacy.  Unless there is reason to expect consistency, a
run proves nothing.  Can you give us a reason to expect clutch BA to
correlate from one year to the next?  I've seen a detailed study of
why I *shouldn't* expect it to correlate.

The "stupid" was in reference to a statement which *was* stupid.  (And
I don't see how you can deny it.)  As for "total idiot"?  Yes.  If you
prove yourself unwilling to even *consider* evidence that might
suggest that you are wrong, I would say the term fits nicely.

So tell me?  Does the term fit?  Or do you have an open mind?


Translation of the above paragraph:
"I am uninformed about the evidence for evolution.  Please send me the
talk.origins FAQs on the subject."


BLUES PLAYOFF SCORING THROUGH END OF NORRIS SEMIFINALS
------------------------------------------------------

PS #   NAME                GP   G   A  Pts.   +/-  PIM  PP  SH  GW  EN
-- --  ----                --  --  --  ----   ---  ---  --  --  --  --
RW 16  Brett Hull           4   5   3    8    +2    0   4   0   2   0
 C 15  Craig Janney         4   2   4    6    +1    0   1   0   2   0
 D 21  Jeff Brown           4   1   5    6    +1    4   0   0   0   0
LW 19  Brendan Shanahan     4   2   3    5     0    6   2   0   0   0
 C  7  Nelson Emerson       4   1   2    3    +1    2   0   0   0   0
RW  9 *Denny Felsner        4   1   1    2    +2    2   0   0   0   0
LW 10  Dave Lowry           4   1   0    1    +2    2   0   1   0   0
LW 17  Basil McRae          4   0   1    1    +1    2   0   0   0   0
LW 14  Kevin Miller         4   0   1    1    -1    2   0   0   0   0
RW 23  Rich Sutter          4   0   0    0     0    2   0   0   0   0
 C 28  Bob Bassen           4   0   0    0    -1    6   0   0   0   0
LW 36 *Philippe Bozon       4   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0
 C 18  Ron Wilson           4   0   0    0    -2    4   0   0   0   0
 D  5  Garth Butcher        4   0   0    0    +1    2   0   0   0   0
 D 33  Stephane Quintal     4   0   0    0    +1    0   0   0   0   0
 D 44 *Bret Hedican         4   0   0    0     0    8   0   0   0   0
 D 34  Murray Baron         4   0   0    0    -1    8   0   0   0   0
 D  4  Rick Zombo           4   0   0    0    -1    10  0   0   0   0
 G 31  Curtis Joseph        4   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0
 D  6  Doug Crossman        0   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0
 C 22  Ron Sutter           0   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0
RW 38 *Igor Korolev         0   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0
RW 39  Kelly Chase          0   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0
 D  2  Curt Giles           0   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0
 G 29 *Guy Hebert           0   0   0    0     0    0   0   0   0   0

*  Rookie

GOALTENDING
-----------
                   GP  Min.   GA    Avg.   W   L   EN  SO  SA  SAVE%
31  Curtis Joseph   4  251     6    1.43   4   0    0  2   140 .957
29 *Guy Hebert      0   00     0    0.00   0   0    0  0   00   ---
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Team Totals        4  251     6    1.43   4   0    0  2   140 .957

SO -- Shutouts ; SA -- Shots Against.

Goals                 13        6
1st Period            4         1
2nd Period            3         4
3rd Period            5         1
Overtime              1         0
Power-play goals      7/29      1/24
Short-handed goals    1         0
Empty-net goals       0         0
Shots                 97        140


Does anyone know what the domestic content is of any of these:
Geo Prizm, Eagle Talon, Ford Probe

?

All are made in the US, but I have been told they contain mostly
foreign parts.  Please follow up directly to me, I'll post the
findings to the net if there is interest.

Thanks!
Tim Newman


%
% I can't haul my big dic. around on my bike...
%

   ...or is it a boast?

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  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan |


I think they are really neat to put onto key rings.  When somebody
makes the mistake of asking about it, you can *totally* geek out.


It's my understanding that Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I
loved, but Esau have I hated." refers not to the two individuals, but
rather to their offspring, the tribe of Jacob and the tribe of Esau

See Obadiah, for example.  In fact, if you scan through the OT, you
will find similar references to the two tribes.


[Motor-Voter stuff]

       Well, there does have to be a line.  And to be honest, extending
voter registration to DMVs is hardly analogous to having only one
place for registration in Alaska and opening a new one in Atlanta.  More is
not always better once you've passed a certain point.

       I thought the Motor Voter bill passed.

       In any case, my experiance with Tennessee's voter registration
system (which you can register with by mail, by the way) is that nobody
who is interested in voting is being denied access to registration.
All it requires is just the tiniest bit of interest on the registrant's
part and thinking about the election once in the eleven months prior to
it.  (Once you register it's good unless you miss for years worth of
elections of move.)

       It's easy to register now.  I simply don't see the value in going
out and trying to get people registered who don't have enough gumption to
even write and have the proper forms sent to them.   How can we expect
responsible decisions out of these people?


Hi.

My wife has aquired some thyroidal (sp?) deficiency over the past year
that gives symptoms such as needing much sleep, coldness and proneness
to gaining weight. She has been to a doctor and taken the ordinary (?)
tests and her values were regarded as low. The doctor (and my wife) are
not very interested in starting medication as this "deactivates" the
gland, giving life-long dependency to the drug (hormone?). The last couple of
monthes she has been seeing a hoemoepath (sp?) and been given
some drops to re-activate either her thyroidal gland and/or the
'message-center' in the brain (sorry about the approximate language,
but I haven't got many clues to what the english terms are, but the
brain-area is called the 'hypofyse' in norwegian.)

My questions are: has anyone had/heard of success in using this approach?
Her values have been (slowly but) steadily sinking, any comment on the
probability of improvement? Although the doctor has told her to 'eat
normally', my wife has dieted vigorously to keep her weight as she feels
that is part of keeping an edge over the illness/condition, may this
affect the treatment, development?

I can get the exact figures for her tests for anyone interested, and I
will greatly value any information/opinion/experience on this topic.

I don't intend this post to be either a flaming of the established
medical profession or a praise for alternatives, I am just relaying
events as they have happened.

Sincerely,


Your wrong.  Never give up.  Update your program as much as possible, with a
very low price of upgrade to registered users (and *PLEASE* make sure you keep
a list of registered numbers!)...

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George Gruschow                                Death do you gronk.
ag625@yfn.ysu.edu                              ggruscho@nyx.cs.du.edu


I just saw a picture of the '94 Mustang in Popular Mechanics - what
a disappointment after being bombarded with pictures of the Mach III...


I agree with you Harry, however you must also concede then that
Arab terrorism is also a tragedy of war.  remember that the
Palestinians have no other effective target but civilians in
order to further their cause.  If Irgun had to attack civilian
targets to terrorize in order that they might obtain some
objective, I'm sure they would have done so.  I also don't
exclude Irgun's action against British soldiers as terrorism.
The British were showing signs of favoring a compromise with
regards to Palestine, and the Irgun and branch off groups made
a point to kill young British recruits so that mothers and
fathers back in Britain would get angry at Britains continued
presence in Palestine.  Sounds like a form of terrorism to me,
and not much removed from Arab terrorism.  We must not also
forget that Irgun, or Irgun branch off groups [more likely]
killed many jews who were not as hardline zionist as they, or
who cooperated with the British.
	I'll reiterate again.... both sides are screwy, but
I'll favor the underdog in this case because I do think they
were a bit screwed.


	B urn
	A ll
	T he
	F uckers


I believe that things are getting mixed here.
Critizicing Israel and/or being anti-zionist is not seeing "the absolute
negatives of that culture". Maybe, because a person can see the positives
of that culture is that that person opposes zionism and the actions of the
State of Israel.
I, for one, consider the actions of the State of Israel with respect to
the human rights of the Palestinian people as an example of an action thaty
opposes what Jewish culture was suppose to uphold as an example of
respect and what the Jewish people learned about oppresion, segregation and
years in the diaspora.

He might not want to recognize that. It does not make him a self-hating
Jew, as far as I see it. At most, he is a person who is not telling
the truth.

But, so far, it seems that the blame is always put on "the other".
If you read this newsgroup, for example, Israel is never guilty by
herself. She is always responding to the actions of the "other", and
it goes as if the actions of Isreal do not also affect the response
of the "other' in a cycle that never ends. Also, there is blindness to
try to understand what the other feels and why.
There is always and excuse. There is always a rationale to explain why
things happen as they do.
And, what is the worst part for me, there seems to be all the time an
intention to try to de-humanize the "other", as if the other did not
care about their future, children, peace, etc, etc.


Of course you do.  You married it a while ago, remember?


Hello. I have a question (or two) about the serial ports for the
powerbooks (specifically the 145 with system 7.0.1). Is there a
difference between the serial ports on the powerbooks versus
any other mac, say plus or ii?? I have heard, though not confirmed
by apple that the serial ports have problems at high speeds.

I also heard that sys 7.1's new power manager 'fixes' this problem
allowing speeds just as any other serial port.

My particular use is that I have a 6811 EVB board that I need to
interface with my powerbook via the modem port at 9600 baud.
Currently, we are interfacing using mac pluses.  I set everything
up just as in lab and nothing.  In fact, the powerbook locks up.

Can anyone help, inform, advise? I would appreciate it.
I would prefer email since I don't read the news at all.
I will post a summary if enough response is generated.

Thanks.

Faisal M. Bhamani
faceman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu


which flat 4 engines have I4 style cranks?

i am 99.99% sure that subaru (and porsche) use the boxer configuration
and not the inline 4 crank that you analyzed and compared. would you
care to re-evaluate the other case of a flat four?  i think that this
configuration is perfectly balanced as far as primary, secondary
forces and couples are concerned.  i have an article in front of me
that says so.

the flat four is also shorter than an inline 4, so even if it is mounted
longitudinally it will not take up lots of length.. and a longitudinal
placement is easier for a 4 wheel drive drivetrain.

i think that subaru's ads hold water.  in practice, their flat fours
are noticeably smoother than inline 4s and completely buzz free,
though some may not like its peculiar note.  but as alfa has shown, a
boxer four can produce a spine tingling scream that only the likes of
recent hondas can approach.


Poor person's Kirlian Photography (try this at home)


Ranma 1/2 pt2 professionally converted to play on SNES.  Asking $60 or
willing to trade for SNES: SimEarth or Dragonball Z


It is for a business and the end product has to be a photograph.
I take damaged black and whites, usually old, some very, and repair them
by hand at present.  I would like to do this by using a computer.
I am just trying to find a vendor who can convert my computer stored
images to negatives or thermal print.  The customer will want his/her
copy as much as possible like a brand new original photgraph.

-- David


May I tease out a sub-thread from this discussion?

Can you all please tell me how to remove  the stickers from new houses'
appliances and outdoor lampposts?  Especially the lamppost, right on
the glass.  Isn't there something you can rub into stuck-on labels that
will release them from their death-grip on glass or other hard surfaces?

Many thanks for any help.

                                              John


	Don't worry.  This is a perfectly normal state of affairs.  Had they
actually been using him, you should be worried.

	He's recovered totally from his injury.  That's why he's not
pitching...so he can rest his arm enough that he can get injured again
pitching on 38 days rest and then have fun dining in the Diamond Club in
Shea Stadium while AY struggles every day out there...

	I've be quite happy to drop John Franco, just the same.
	Bring back Randy Myers!
	No, better make that...Bring Back Neil Allen!


Ok I want to get a color Mac I don't care if it is an LC or a Mac II or
what but I want to go to a color machine.  I'd prefer to trade my
present Mac SE system plus some cash or other equipment for the color
system as right now I'm not full of the $$$ to buy a color system
outright.
Here's what my Mac SE system has...

Mac SE 4/20 with internal 800K drive
20 Meg external
External 800K drive
ImageWriter II with 4 color ribbon

Stuff that can go with it......
I'm willing to include both of the 9600 modems and the 2400 baud modem
if the deal is right.  Keep in mind that both the 9600 modems are less
than a month old and the MultiTech modem sells for about $440 or so.

MultiTech Multimodem II (9600 data/fax)
U.S. Robotics Sportster (9600 data)
Microcom QX/12K         (normally will connect at only 2400 as highest
but it will do faster if connected to another Microcom)

The USR and the MultiTech are both brand-new

If interested send me e-mail at dleonard@wixer.bga.com


Hmm.  This is certainly among the things I would refer to as quack
therapy and would tend to refer to any practitioner who prescribed
laetrile (whether licensed or not) as a quack.  There are unethical
behaviors (such as ordering unneccessary tests to increase fees)
which I would not lable as quackish, but prescribing known ineffective
therapies seems to me to be one of the hallmarks of a quack.


Note that this ominous prospect is fueled by the fact that various SC
and Prime outlets are wholly or partly owned by local NHL owners.
When/If Cablevision VP Chuck Dolan's purchase of the Islanders goes
through, the Islanders will be back solidly in the SCNY fold (their
original owners were, and they've remained due to a lucrative TV
contract).  The Flyer Snyders own the Philadelphia SC as well as the
Prism pay channel.  There are six teams affiliated with regional SC's,
another half dozen affiliated with Prime outlets, and other locals
like HTS and NESN who have barter arrangements.  With all this
cross-ownership, I was surprised that ESPN got the deal this
season!!

gld


I've heard of NO studies, but speculation:

Why on _earth_ would there be any effect on women's health?  That's about
the most absurd idea I've heard since Ted Kaldis's claim that no more than
35,000 people would march on Washington.

Ok, _one_ point:  Greatly reduced chance of pregnancy.  But that's it.


Note: BMW doesnt always follow this convention.


Put me down for a PB100 4/20 with ext. floppy, AppleTalk Remote Acces,
AC adapter, and fresh out of box (was used, but buyer switched to 140
on arrival and sold unopened box. Purchased last October for $925.
Later I bought a used PowerPort V.32 9600 bps internal fax-modem for
something like $225, I'm using right now! Works great!  :)

No real complaints. I love my portable system (got a color home setup
also. Mac II). Reasoning was that MATLAB programs at school and other
simulations of dynamic control systems sometimes took hours (or
overnight) to run, tying up my Mac II. I got the PB100 with fast modem
to do light work and on-the-run stuff. I figured I'd give it to my
little sister next year when she goes to college. It's running System
7.1 now without any problems. Also I sometimes do DEC4015 terminal
emulations with MATLAB on our university's VAX_VMS (nice thing that it
benchmarks itself as an average of 230 times faster than a mac IIfx).
So, the PB100 just does graphical output and terminal emulation (not
too hard at all for it). It was a FABULOUS setup !!!!  :)  Weeee!!!

(By the Way, all MATLAB software was on class accounts. I was also the
TA for a class that used SIMULAB/SIMULINK. We had site-license and
take-home, then-destroy later site-release licenses... No pirating
there, incase you're wondering.... Great Program!!! )

Just like to add, whatever future system you get, you can almost never
get enuff memory.... Buy it while it's cheap - that is buy it when you
get the computer since it's usually cheaper than upgrading... I ALWAYS
run out of disk space... But I have a syquest on the Mac IIsi, so I
never worried about space before... Got several carts).


: Well, now, Doc, I sure would not want to bet my life on those little
: critters not being able to get thru one layer of sweat-soaked cotton
: on their way to do their programmed task.  Infrequent, yes, unlikely,
: yes, but impossible?  I learned a long time ago never to say never in
: medicine   <g>                        Len Howard MD, FACOG

Yes, I suppose a single layer of wet cotton would be feasible.  After all,
we certainly do not make condoms out of cotton!]


Hi netters,

Quantum LPS 240AT harddisk forsale.

3.5" frame, 1/3 height.
IDE format, master or slave
723 cyl 13 hd 51 s/t = 234.9 real megs
Access time of 16 ms.
256K cache on the drive

Asking $300.


I have a mystery part labeled NEC AC100.  It's from the low voltage
supply of an NEC Multisync I monitor.  It's a three lead part in a
square package like a volate regulator or power transistor.  The board
is labeled CR691 where the part goes.  (Possibly an SCR?)  The pin
labeled G on the board goes to a zener diode (reference voltage?); the
pin labeled T1 goes to the negative lead of a capacitor in the power
supply, and the pin labeled T2 goes to the negative side of the bridge
rectifier in the supply.

    If anyone can tell me what this is, or better yet, where I can buy
one just like it, please email me at ck3i@andrew.cmu.edu.  I've called
NEC's "monitor repair number" and not only do they not know what the
part is, but they don't think that they can find one to sell to me...
It makes no sense to me...


Having read in the past about the fail-safe mechanisms on spacecraft, I had
assumed that the Command Loss Timer had that sort of function.  However I
always find disturbing the oxymoron of a "NO-OP" command that does something.
If the command changes the behavior or status of the spacecraft it is not
a "NO-OP" command.

Of course this terminology comes from a Jet Propulsion Laboratory which has
nothing to do with jet propulsion.

--


In order to emit blue light, a semiconductor must have a band gap energy
within the region of 2.6 to 2.8 electron Volts. According to my physical
electronics prof, you can't get an LED with that band gap. That's why you
don't find blue LEDs or, for that matter, some other colour of LEDs. That
is not to say that blue LEDs can't be found.  I've seen 'blue' LEDs sold,
but they were just your typical visible light LED in a blue plastic covering.
They didn't emit very much light...

Source: Solid State Electronic Devices (Ben G. Streetman, 3d ed., Prentice
Hall)
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"Right planet, wrong universe" - Douglas Adams
"If we took the bones out, it wouldn't be crunchy" - Mr. Whizzo


sure the
way is
on
different

Okay, so what do you do if some part of the machine (presumably the part
on which the code number or whatever that the program has fixated itself
upon goes bad, you replace that part, and now your program won't run
because it's on a "different" computer???

This is, of course, assuming that the program uses something in ROM (like
the BIOS serial number, maybe?) and not a disk-based code number.
Obviously if the drive goes bad you'll be reinstalling the stuff anyway.

I work in a computer lab which is part of the university microlab system.
We have the wonderfully fun task of maintaining well over a hundred
machines, both PC and Macintosh, as well as administering a network of
over 50 NeXT machines.  I personally am concerned only with a small lab
with ten PC's and ten Mac's.  (I'm not the manager, but help him with
admin often).  IMHO, copy-protection schemes of ANY sort are nothing more
than a major headache for the legitimate user.  Anyone who wants a copy of
your program and doesn't care about legality will get a copy.  Period.
"Pirate board" or no pirate board.  I too have "friends" who blatantly and
quite successfuly "hack" copy protection schemes practically in their
sleep.

Let's consider what goes on in our lab.  Almost daily we have at least one
machine down, sometimes several, due to some goofball screwing up some
setting or other on a piece of software.  Admittedly, we (being students,
mostly) are not the world's most efficient and effective network
administrators, but we try.  Keeping even the twenty machines that are
(partly) my responsibility even vaguely looking and "acting" similar to
the average user, and maintaining "behind-the-scenes" consistency is a
real headache, but not so bad a headache as trying to remember twenty
different folder locations of Norton Utilities when some guy trashes his
disk.

Often we have hardware problems at peak "business" times and have to do
some parts-swapping to get stuff working temporarily. . . .

Well, I'll cut to the chase and quit boring y'all . . ..

The point is, often we have to re-install software and copy configuration
files etc. from machine to machine.  By far the easiest way we have found
to do this is to get ONE machine working EXACTLY the way we want to, then
COPY the complete setup of this machine to the other nine (of that
machine's type).  This ensures us that (for at least ten minutes) we have
ten IDENTICAL machines to work with.  Having them networked simplifies
this considerably, as our major packages (WordPerfect, Windows, etc.) are
all network versions and thus only one copy to mess with.

Often, however, we need to install a package requested by some instructor
to one, some, or all of the machines for a special project.  This is
usually a hand-written or shareware,etc. program similar to what I believe
the original poster was asking about.  The few we have had with "copy
protection" schemes have caused nothing but NIGHTMARES for us to maintain
 . .

In short, don't waste your time with a copy protection scheme.  It's sort
of like outlawing guns.  The criminals will get your program anyway, and
you will only be hurting the legitimate, honest user.  Write a good user's
guide and tech manual, whatever else for your program (PLEASE do this
REGARDLESS of whether you copy protect the thing!!!), and only distribute
the manual to LICENSED users.  Jack the price to cut your losses, but
please take a cue from the major companies (who can admittedly afford the
costs of illegal copies far better than you) and don't burden the
legitimate user with a "copy protection" scheme!

Sorry for the tirade, but it's been a long day here . . .. :-)

Mark S. Underwood
EE Student, University of Kentucky
Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab
	(a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs)
E-Mail:  msunde01@mik.uky.edu


The 68070 is made by someone other than Motorola (Signetics perhaps),
and was (if memory serves me correctly) a 68000 compatible single chip
micro type chip. IE built in extra toys like serial ports, ram
interfaces etc. So, laugh all you want, but there is such a critter!


In the kind I have made I used a Lite sour cream instead of yogurt.  May not
be as good for you, but I prefer the taste.  A few small bits of cuke in
addition to the grated cuke may also finish the sauce off nicely.


Well everybody,

After reading tons of notes by Serdar, I have come to the following conclusion.
Turkey is PERFECT, and no Turk has ever made a mistake.  He has proved to me at
least that the land occupied by Turkey today, was ALWAYS lived in peacefully by
Turks.  (Including Istanbul AKA Constantinople)  They treat their minorities
like gods and have only done good while all of their evil neighbors attacked
them.  Somehow, despite these evil neighbors capable of nothing but murder
their population has exploded to almost 60 million in Turkey alone. (Note,
Armenian worldwide population is approximately 7 million total)  I want to go
to this heaven on earth and meet the race that has made Serdar possible, that
has persevered, and has become a mecca for human rights lovers.  (Amnesty
International must have bad sources, Turkey would never torture its citizens,
treat minorities badly, or kidnap 7 foreign journalists last year alone, who
incidentally are still missing), what I am trying to say is I WANT TO BE A
TURK!!!!

Now back to reality.  I have once again been astounded by Serdars ability to
ignore all truth, all truly difficult questions, and go on to his encyclopedia
of quotes and sources that can be pasted into any note BY THE PAGE!  Anybody at
all who has believed ANYTHING he has said, please step forward.  Let him know
he hasn't been wasting his time, that SOMEBODY out there can be convinced by
the volume of e-mail you can produce, not the quality of the content. Well I am
off now.  I will go dream  some more about that perfect place, that nirvana,
that utopia, that xanadu, that TURKEY!


Hello,
    I'm trying to use the BIOS timer interrupts (which occur every .055
seconds, or 18.2 times a second) to time people's response times, in a
psychology experiment, and the response times are on the order of .01
seconds. Is there any way I can get better precision than by counting
ticks? Or can I make the ticks occur more frequently? I'm trying to do
this in DOS 5.0 on a 386, and it would be nice if this could also work
on our old 8086 machines running DOS 2.1 (I know, I know, I don't like
them any more than you do) but this is by no means a requirement, just a
possibility.
    So, basically, any information on the BIOS tick scheme and the
related inrterruots would be appreciated, as well as any information on
alternate ways of improving accuracy. Email is preferred, as I'm
planning on posting this to a few boards, and I don't read all of them.
Thanks


Doesn't seem like those responsible for the assault were very concerned
about the welfare of the children inside.  Seems like they were more
interested in flexing their muscle before the media.  My reasoning?
Just ask yourself this one question:

Suppose the scenario was slightly different and we had Chelsea Clinton
being kidnapped by terrorists, holed up in a compound for 51 days.
Do you think Clinton, Reno, the FBI, and the ATF would be so eager
to use a show of force?

Nuff said.

--
Richard Mulac                                       ck347@cleveland.freenet.edu


(alt.security.clipper added, to keep them informed of this issue)

....
: The proposal could be modified so that if they get a court order to tap you
: and don't charge you with a crime within, say, 90 days, they have to buy you
: a new phone.
:
: If they do charge you, and you are found innocent, they have to buy you a
: new phone.
:
: :-)

Yes, but will they buy you a ticket on a time machine to allow you to
go back and use the phone with the new key instead of the phone whose
key they obtained?

It is unclear whether obtaining the key at time 0 also unlocks
messages recorded (by whomever) at earlier times. The announcement was
silent on this. The betting seems to be that once your key has been
obtained (by the authorities, by divorce lawyers, by the Mafia, by the
FBI, by lost or stolen backup tapes, by the NSA, etc.). all previous
conversations are unsecure. (Session keys are negotiated, but knowing
the private key is believed by many commentators here to break the
security. No doubt more details will emerge.)

So, the loss of a key, whether one is guilty or innocent, may mean a lot
more than merely replacing the phone.

Sort of like saying to someone, "Oh, I copied your diary. But I'll buy
you a new one."

And the system, if made mandatory (as I expect), will make such
storing of conversations much easier, I fear. For one thing, the
transmission of the escrow key field acts as a clear signal to anyone
listening, a kind of "Caller ID" and "Callee ID" on a grand scale.
Also, the phone companies may not care as much about protecting the
privacy of the calls, as they perceive them all to be useless
encrypted junk. (This is a bit of a reach, I know, suggesting that the
Clipper will make security more lax...).

Anyway, still lots of issues unresolved.

-Tim May


   _The_ problem with Oort cloud sources is that absolutely
   no plausible mechanism has been proposed. It would have
   to involve new physics as far as I can tell. Closest to
   "conventional" Oort sources is a model of B-field pinching
   by comets, it's got too many holes in it to count, but at
   least it was a good try...

So you have a plausible model for GRB's at astronomical distances?
Recent observations have just about ruled out the merging neutron star
hypothesis, which had a lot of problems, anyhow.  We have to look for
implausible models and what is fundamentally allowed independent of
models.

A paper on the possibility of GRB's in the Oort cloud just came
through the astrophysics abstract service.  To get a copy of this
paper, send a message to astro-ph@babbage.sissa.it with the subject
line
  get 9304001

Here is the abstract of that paper.

   The currently favored explanation for the origin of \GRBs puts them
   at cosmological distances;
   but as long as there is no distance
   indicator to these events all possible sources which are
   isotropically distributed should remain under consideration. This is
   why the Oort cloud of comets is kept on the list,
   although there is no known mechanism for generating \GRBs
   from cometary nuclei. Unlikely as it may seem, the possibility that \GRBs
   originate in the solar cometary cloud
   cannot be excluded until it is disproved.

   We use the available data on the distribution of \GRBs (the BATSE
   catalogue up to March, 1992), and
   the Catalogue of Cometary Orbits  by Marsden and Williams (1992) to
   investigate whether there is any observational indication for correlations
   between the angular distributions of \GRBs and comets' aphelia,
   assuming that the distribution of aphelia direction reflect,
   at least to some extent, true variations
   in the column density of the Oort cloud. We also apply the $\vov$
   test to both distributions.


I heard a short blurb on the news yesterday about an herb called feverfew (?)
that some say is good for preventing migraines. I think the news said there
were two double-blind studies that found this effective.

Does anyone know about these studies? Or have experience with feverfew?
I'm skeptical, but open to trying it if I can find out more about this.
What is feverfew, and how much would you take to prevent migraines (if
this is a good idea, that is)? Are there any known risks or side effects
of feverfew?


The whole "saddam is going to invade Saudi Arabia" was nothing but US State
Department propeganda.  Saddam (and Iraq in general) never recognised the
British created Kuwait.  They were trying to recover land they believed
was theirs, much like the Argentines in the Faulklands.  The Kuwaitis pushed
just a little too far by taking Iraqi oil and Saddam thought he'd settle
the dispute the old fashioned way...
Everybody would have been much better off had they left the reunited Iraq
together and concentrated on taking out Saddam.  A strong, united Iraq with
an elected government would have gone a long way to ridding the world of
the feudal dictatorships in the Gulf.
But of course a weak divided Arab people better suits US foriegn policy...


ITEMS FOR SALE

I will take offers for the following items. I reserve the
right to refuse any offers.

1. Howard Miller Clock. It chimes like a grandfather clock.

2. Painting- A Tiger in the snow. It is a beautiful painting, the tiger
   looks like it can jump off of the canvas and get you.

3. Mens Diamond Ring, size 10
a. 3 rows of diamonds
b. 18k gold

Call or email me.


: Are you saying that their was a physical Adam and Eve, and that all humans are direct decendents of only these two human beings.?  Then who were Cain and Able's wives?  Couldn't be their sisters, because A&E didn't have daughters.  Were they non-humans?

Okay all humans are direct descendents of of a bunch of hopeful
monsters. The human race didn't evolve from one set parents, but from
thousands. Do you really base your atheist on -this-?

: Considering that something like 4 out of 5 humans on this planet don't know instinctively that the Christian god exist, the claim of instinctive knowledge doesn't look like it hold much water.  Or are you saying that the 4 billion non-Christians in the world must fight this instinctive urge to acknowledge God and JC.

Did I say that people were Christians by nature or did I say that
Christians hold that everyone knows of the God the Christians worship.
I would have thought the distinction obvious, sorry. Read my post
again and see what I -really- said; from what you've written, I think
you are just being agumentative. Also your word-wrap is screwed up or
you need to shift to 80 columns text ...


Rome was under attack by barbarians, they sent for advice to some Oracle,
and she said Worship Cybele and you'll be saved. They did, they were.

Cybele was the quintessential wiccan goddess, there was Her and her son &
lover, Attis. Yucky idea if you ask me. OK the book says she was Phrygian,
from the neolithic matriarchal society Catal Huyuk (Turkey). Worshipped 1st
as Black Stone (that Kaaba in Mecca ring a bell maybe????) Carried to Rome
in 205BC to save them from Hannibal.

It gets more interesting. Romans called her Great Mother (Magna Mater),
could be the reason why so many of those Mary statues in Europe are black,
prob. IS connected to that Ka'aba they've got in Mecca, 3rd cent. AD She was
supreme Goddess in Lyons, France . . . Attis was castrated and formed into
a pine tree . . . she should be worshiped on 25 Mar . . . in Rome it was
an ecstatic cult, her priests wore drag, worked themselves up in dance and
castrated themselves in order to initiate to her, lived their lives as women.
They wore make up and jewelry and the whole bit.

Wow.

Only other such primitive transsexualism I know of goes on in India (where
else?) where they do that castration thing under some meditation maybe, I
forget by now...there's a book on that.)

Of course, that excepts that weird Russian / Romanian 18th cent. Xian cult
that did all kinds of self-castration too, I forget their name.


	I don't think that this should be worked on just in the context
of cryptography. That's sure to pose all sorts of problems for all sorts
of people.

	What's needed is for someone to develop a portable telephone
quality speech<->RS232 converter. Imagine, if you will, a little box that
takes data on its serial port and puts out sound, and takes sound and codes
it to signals on its serial port. Full duplex. Now, this device is not a
cryptographic device. It's a portable poor man's sound blaster or whatever
you want to call it. It's got loads of perfectly legitimate applications
for:
	a) speech synthesis (with a few nifty libraries and some samples)
	b) speech recording for electronic messaging
	c) building voicemail systems
	d) internet talk radio
	e) internet relay chat

	Of course, some of the electronic messaging in item b might be
encrypted, possibly realtime, but that's the user's decision. One would
need 2 of these talky boxes and a pair of modems and some kind of cutout
to switch over, and some code on, say, a 486 laptop.

	I'd really like to see such a thing developed so that interactive
internet talk radio could be done. Ideally, though, it should be a general
purpose device. It should be a general purpose enough device that nobody
should be able to balk at its widespread use. Obviously, to make it easy
for homebrewers, it should use pretty common hardware.

	It's interesting to note that I'd already talked with a couple
of folks about building such a thing, before this whole clipper thing
started. I even went so far as to track down a couple of folks who are
able to make sample units, given incentive and some time. I'd envisioned
finding a couple of folks interested in such a project and helping fund
development of a public domain board layout and parts set, that could
be published in the form of CAD drawings for a couple of major CAD
packages, and in PostScript.

	Anyone interested? I'll start a provisional mailing list. Let
me know if you want on.


: While I'm sure Sagan considers it sacrilegious, that wouldn't be
: because of his doubtfull credibility as an astronomer. Modern,
: ground-based, visible light astronomy (what these proposed
: orbiting billboards would upset) is already a dying field: The
: opacity and distortions caused by the atmosphere itself have
: driven most of the field to use radio, far infrared or space-based
: telescopes.

Hardly.  The Keck telescope in Hawaii has taken its first pictures; they're
nearly as good as Hubble for a tiny fraction of the cost.

: In any case, a bright point of light passing through
: the field doesn't ruin observations. If that were the case, the
: thousands of existing satellites would have already done so (satelliets
: might not seem so bright to the eyes, but as far as astronomy is concerned,
: they are extremely bright.)

I believe that this orbiting space junk will be FAR brighter still;
more like the full moon.  The moon upsets deep-sky observation all
over the sky (and not just looking at it) because of scattered light.

This is a known problem, but of course two weeks out of every four are
OK.  What happens when this billboard circles every 90 minutes?  What
would be a good time then?

:                                              Frank Crary
:                                              CU Boulder


Pink noise is a random signal with more low-frequency components
than white noise.

If you look at the frequency spectrum of white noise at a frequency
analyzer, you will find that the spectrum power density is flat, which
means that every frequency is present in the noise signal.

Often pink noise is obtained from white noise by integrating of low-pass
filtering a white noise signal. Therefore pink noise contains much more
low-frequency components.

The effect of pink noise is sometimes used to simulate thunder or roaring
animals. An additional low-pass filter with variable cutoff frequency will
explain you why.

Enjoy it.


Welcome to the Peace Run

                     You're invited to join in
                     a Global Relay Run... and
                     help light the Way.

                     ----  Why the Peace Run  ----

There's a new spirit in the Nineties: a spirit of oneness, a growing
belief in the possibility of true global peace.

The goal of the Sri Chinmoy Oneness-Home Peace Run is simple: to
bring this spirit forward in a concrete way, to transform it into
a reality in their own lives.

Every other year, thousands of men, women and children from more
than 70 nations - passing a flaming Peace Torch from hand to hand -
join together in a relay run that virtually circles the globe.
Transcending political and cultural boundaries, they go from
nation to nation - across mountains, jungles and deserts - carrying
the message of brotherhood to all humankind.

Each person who holds or runs with the Peace Torch lights a path
for those who follow. Each time the Peace Torch changes hands, the
flame of oneness burns a little brighter - until one day it will
shine in the hearts and minds of every individual on earth.

		    ----  Making History  ----

The three Peace Runs since 1987 have achieved some historic break-
throughs: in the Middle East, a landmark run crossed the Egyptian-
Israeli border; in Europe, a precedent-setting run linked Eastern
and Western Europe with Russia; in the United States, Mexico and
Canada, entire cities were dedicated to the cause of world peace;
and in Poland, the Peace Torch was blessed by Pope John Paul II.

		 ----  Speaking as One: World  ----
             ----  Leaders, Celebrities - and You  ----

The Peace Run has won the support of leaders the world over -
Presidents, Prime Ministers, religious leaders, sports figures and
entertainment personalities.

Its message has spread to a half billion people though newspaper
reports, magazine articles and radio and TV broadcasts, including
specials on PBS, MTV and NBC's Today Show.

reconciliation. The world must know that God wants us to live
amicably as brothers and sisters, members of one family, the human
family, God's family."  - Archbishop Desmond Tutu,
			  Nobel Peace Prize Winner

		   ----  How It All Works  ----

Peace Run 1993 started with a five-borrough relay in New York
City on Saturday April 17, converging at various points to lead
up to the opening ceremony outside the United Nations Dag
Hammarskjold Building. There, runners from around the world
were gathered for the fourth lighting of the Peace Torch.

From there, Peace Torches are now being transported to over
seventy countries for a series of concurrent international or
cross-country relay runs including the United States, Canada,
Japan, Australia, Russia and Eastern and Western Europe. Smaller
runs will take place in the Philippines, Mexico, Israel, South
America, Egypt and elsewhere in Africa. Distance to be covered:
31,000 miles.

the minds of those who support, participate in, witness, or hear
about the event."  - Carl Lewis,
                     Six-Time Olympic Gold Medalist

                  ----  Who's Behind It  ----

The Peace Run is sponsored by the Sri Chinmoy Marathon Team, an
international running organization that believes sports can be a
powerful instrument for promoting world peace. Each year the Team
puts on hundreds of athletic events, including several world-class
ultramarathons, marathons and triathlons, in dozens of countries.

The Peace Run itself is inspired by the global peace ambassador
Sri Chinmoy, who has written and lectured extensively on peace,
offered hundreds of free peace concerts and met with countless
world figures to advance the cause of international harmony.

The Run is managed by Peace Runs International, a non-profit
organization based in the United States.

               ----  Take a Step For Peace  ----

The Peace Runs in 1987, 1989 and 1991 attracted nearly half a
million participants. We're expecting even more people to join
Peace Run '93.

You can also join the Run - carrying the Peace Torch a few steps,
a few blocks or a few miles. Or you can come out and cheer the
runners as they carry the Torch through your community.

You can also join local celebrities and government officials in
one of the thousands of welcoming ceremonies scheduled along the
70-nation route.

Your inner support is important too. If you're a runner, each time
you go out, you can dedicate your run to the cause of world peace.

		 ----  The Next Step is Yours  ----
		 ----  Make It One For Peace  ----

For information contact:
Peace Runs International
161-44 Normal Road
Jamaica, NY 11432 USA
tel. 718/291-6637  Fax: 718/291-6978

Peace Run Canada
2456 Agricola Street
Halifax, Nova Scotia  B3K 4C2
tel. 902/425-1174  Fax: 902/420-0773


I don't agree, but I can only speak for myself.  I have a good friend
whose lifestyle is very sinful.  Do I hate the things she does to herself
and others?  Yes.  Do I hate her?  Absolutely not.  In fact, she tells me
repeatedly that I am the best friend she has in the world.  I care about
her very much despite the fact that I hate how she lives her life.

It's very easy to fall into the progression you describe above.  I've
felt it with my friend more than once.  There is a very important
part of Christianity that you've overlooked above and makes it possible
to "love the sin but hate the sinner."  Before I look at someone
else's life and sin, I look to myself and am as disgusted by what I see
in *me* as I see in others, probably more.  Self-righteousness is
contradictory to Christianity and is what makes the progression you
describe happen.  If a Christian can truthfully quote Paul and say, "Wretched
man that I am!" [Romans 7:24 (NASB)], that Christian will be able
to love the sinner and hate the sin.  If we have the attitude of the Pharisee
who said, "I thank Thee that I am not like other men..." [Luke 18:11 (NASB)],
we will hate both.

  -- Scott at Brandeis


Where can I obtain a copy of the Open Look widgets?  Is it obtainable on
the net somewhere, or do I need to order a copy (if so, how)?

Thanks for any help.  Please email.


I wrote a commercial program called GAME-MAKER (can you guess what
it does).  What we do is have a document protect (answer Question on page x,
line y), which is a real pain.  We also allow the user to register by sending
in a card, and computing a # based on their name.  The system works in that
we've gotten lots of registration cards.
	I hear that the program has been cracked though.  Someone two people
actually called up my support--one with a question, the other wanting to
buy our graphics libraries (right!).  Anyway if anyone wants to help me
catch a cracker and has the cracked version, mail me.  I won't accuse
you (unless you're the cracker of course).

--
                                             Andy Stone
-					     stonea@suned.cs.yale.edu


Here is someones "biblical" claim for the characteristics of Satan:

And separately:

We have here three distinct claims concerning the results of the devil's
decision making, a specific desire, and a physical description.  Now, in
support (aside from the minor detail that an author seldom writes an unbiased
account of the opposition) we see:

ISA 14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning!  how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken
the nations!

ISA 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend  into
                                              --------------------
heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit
-----------------------------------------------------
also upon the mount of the congregation,  in  the  sides  of the north:

ISA 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I  will
be like the most High.

ISA 14:15  Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to  the  sides
of the pit.

Doesn't say sits on God's throne.  Says will exhault throne above the stars.

DAN 10:12  Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for  from the
first  day  that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to
chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard,  and  I am
come for thy words.

DAN 10:13  But the prince of the kingdom of Persia  withstood me
                    ------------------------------
one  and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes,
                                        ------------------------
came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

DAN 10:14  Now I am come to make thee understand what  shall be-
fall  thy  people  in  the latter days: for yet the vision is for
many days.

See who is being discussed?

EZE 28:12  Son of man, take up a lamentation  upon  the  king of
                                                     -----------
Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up
-----
the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

EZE 28:13  Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;  every  pre-
cious  stone  was  thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the dia-
mond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the em-
erald,  and  the  carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy ta-
brets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that  thou
wast created.

EZE 28:14  Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have
set  thee  so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast
walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

EZE 28:15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day  that  thou
wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

EZE 28:16  By the multitude of thy merchandise they  have  filled
the  midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore
I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain  of  God:  and  I
will  destroy  thee,  O  covering  cherub,  from the midst of the
stones of fire.

EZE 28:17  Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,  thou
hast  corrupted  thy  wisdom  by reason of thy brightness: I will
cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that  they
may behold thee.

EZE 28:18  Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of
thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will
I bring forth a fire from the midst  of  thee,  it  shall  devour
thee,  and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight
of all them that behold thee.

EZE 28:19  All they that know thee among the people shall be as-
tonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be
any more.


I had posted that it came from a survey of registered users, I
double-checked with a friendly neighborhood marketing type and
found there were actually two surveys. One of randomly selected
resellers, one of randomly selected users from the 6 upgrade
registered user database. Both surveys showed a 93% positive
rating.

-jen

--


(misc.legal trimmed)

Well, that's the obvious conclusion, given your train of logic.  The
corollary then is that it must be a waste of time for the party to run
candidates until the educational program has shown some results.

Followups to a.p.l.
--


Medical school ? Like your fellow Austrian Dr. Mengele ??

Josh


This might be better directed to s.r.c.bible-study, which I have begun
reading, but since my earlier notes were posted to this forum, I will
conclude here as well.  A week ago, I managed to find time to consult
a Septuagint Concordance and a LXX text with apparatus at the library,
and I can now usefully conclude my look at the Greek words for love as
used in the Christian background of the Septuagintal translation of the
Jewish scriptures.

The principal result is that there is a cluster of uses of the verbal
noun from _erao:_, _eraste:s_ meaning "lover."  This cluster occurs just
where one might most expect it, in the propethic image (and accusation)
of Israel as faithless spouse to YHWH.  The verses in question are Hosea
2:5,7 & 10; Jeremiah 4:30, 22:20 & 22; Lamentations 1:19; and Ezekiel
16:33, 36 &37 and 23:5, 9 & 22.

	[ Hosea seems to have originated this usage, which Jeremiah and
	  Ezekiel picked up;  Lamentations is dependent on, though not
	  likely written by, Jeremiah. ]

The "erotic" meaning (in its allegorical use, not at all literally) is
evident.  So too in English, unless you complement it with a phrase like
"of the arts" the word "lover" is going to have an overtone of sexual
relationship.  There is no surprise here, but it is worthwhile to see
that standard Greek usage *does* show up in the translations from the
Hebrew! :-)

More interestingly, and some confirmation of my guess that later Koine
usage avoided the verb _erao:_ because of its homonymy to _ero:_ (say),
_eromai_ (ask), there is an error in Codex Vaticanus (normally, a very
valuable witness) where a form of _erao:_ is used in a completely absurd
context -- 2 Samuel 20:18, where the  meaning *must* be "say."

In addition to the above (and the uses I have already mentioned in Proverbs),
Esther 2:17 uses the verb in its most natural application,

	kai e:rasthe" ho basileus Esthe:r  --  and the King loved Esther

and, rather more interestingly, 1 Samuel 19:2 supplies a modest degree of
support to the gay appraisal of the relationship of David and Jonathan:

	kai Io:nathan huios Saoul e:[i]reito ton Dauid sphodra
	-- and Jonathan, Saul's son, loved David intensely

	[ I'm using the bracketed [i] for io:ta subscript, which I
	  don't yet have a reasonable ASCII convention for. ]

(The relevance of this to the gay issue is not anything implicit about
the "historical" facts, but just that a quasi-official translation of
the Hebrew text in the Hellenistic period makes no bones about using the
"erotic" verb in this context.  Given the quite general usage of _agapao:_
for erotic senses, this need not mean anything "more" than _agapao:_ alone
would mean, but it DOES disambiguate the relationship, as far as this
translator goes!)


: Yes, a lot of what OS/2 2.0 has in common with OS/2 1.x was written by you
: guys. However, many of the things that made OS/2 2.0 so much more successful
: (Win-OS/2, Workplace Shell) than previous versions were IBM work.

Win-OS/2 is IBM work? You make me laugh... Re-writing couple of thousands
lines of code to make Windows compatible with your DPMI implementation does
not make the rest of Windows IBM work...


Darwin fish can be bought from:
--
"JOIN THE DARWINNERS (TM) Send $6 to receive your official Evolving
Fish..  wherever you want to spread the good news!  Darwinners, 6671
Sunset Blvd., Ste. 1525, L.A.,CA 90028 THE GREATEST THEORY EVER TOLD!"

Jenny


I have a Practical Peripherals 9600sa (External) modem for sale.
It's been used less than 1 year and has a lifetime warranty. I've
never had a problem connecting to any site, something I can't say
for the noname or third tier modems. Original box and manuals.

$150 (firm) Includes shipping anywhere in the Continental US.

Ken


The problem is that the process is inherently complicated ! The IJG's code is
pretty good if you ask me, and I have watched it go through many many cycles of
revision.

Try getting a good book on the subject, that will explain the algorithms.

Specifically "JPEG Still Image Compression Standard" by Pennebaker & Mitchell,
VNR 1993, ISBN 0-442-01272-1.

BTW. I presume your comment about "good" code wasn't meant to sound as offensive
as it does.


So I finally decided to risk this upgrade, FAQ in hand I've gathered the
pieces together.  The only problem is that I haven't been able to find
anyone who's even heard of thermal tape/glue (which is what the FAQ
recommends for attaching the heat sink)  I am just tempted to use duct
tape here.... anyone hae any ideas for me for attaching the heat sink to
the processor??  much thanks.


Does anyone out there have at hand the phone or fax number for TECH POWER, who
are a PC motherboard manufacturer (may be known as TECH POWER Enterprises).

Thannks in advance

- Chris


I was at avalon today and found texture maps in some "tex" and "txc"
format, something I've never encountered before.  These are obviously
not tex or  LaTeX files.

IF you have a clue how I can convert these to something
reasonable, please let me know.


    First of all (this is NOT a snide response), if you're confused about
this issue, you will stumble over a lot of other things as well.  I suggest
that the weakness is your reference material.  Get "An Introduction to Ray
Tracing" by Andrew Glassner for very good coverage of the raytracing
algorithm.  You could also refer to the 2nd edition of Foley & Van Dam.

    On to the question.  The simple answer is that you just keep adding up
all the contributions and then clamping at the maximum intensity.  For
example, if your intensity values range from 0.0 to 1.0, then keep adding up
and clamp the resultant values to 1.0 (you might have to clamp the lower
bound to 0.0 if you have dark bulbs, but that's another issue =^).  So, you
get some illumination equation like this:

        I = Lambient + Ldiffuse(light[n]) + Lreflected + Ltransparent

    The contribution due to reflection is just summed with the light
intensity, as is the light due to transparency.  Now, a slightly less
hand-waving illumination equation is this:

        I = KaLa + KdLd(light[n]) + KrLr + KtLt

    That is, each component of the illumination equation is governed by the
material constants Ka, Kd, Kr and Kt.  So the maximum you can get from
transparency for a given object, for example, might be [0.4, 0.1, 0.5] for a
purple-colored glass object.

    Hopefully this answers your question.  I'll forward my "illumination
equation sermon" to you also.


[...]

This reminds me... my fuzzy brain recalls that somebody was thinking
of reviving the San Marco launch platform off the coast of Kenya,
where the Copernicus satellite was launched around 1972.  Is this
true, or am I imagining it?  Possibly it's connected with one of the
Italian programs to revive the Scout in a new version.

That old platform must be getting pretty rusty, and there ain't a lot
of infrastructure to go with it...


:
on
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I guess your view of the video from your sofa gives you a better view than
the cops involved?  I guess one can see what one wants to see after all.


I live up in British Columbia, Canada.The cable company I use is called
Rogers Cable. Does anyone know of their scrambling techniques, and ways of
getting
around them? Any suggestions of what they might use?


I didn't catch your posting one year ago, but I presume you like to leave out
an extra a-latch ? (I presume you allready know there is a '573 but that couldnt
be the question, could it ? ;-)

During my student-trainee project, I discouvered a nice device, it's a PSD301
from Waferscale Integration. In one single (44 PLCC I think it was) package
it contained: ROM, RAM, I/O lines and a programmable addressdecoder...

As far as I can recall, it can be hooked directly with a MCS-51 series uP ...
Neat huh ? But it needs programming before assembly, so it wasn't suitable
for my project. Perhaps usefull for you (future) plans ?


Commericial support for exploration examples:

Also much if Baranovs exploration and Utilization of Alaska (Russian America,
also included parts of Washington state, Oregon, and N. California) was doen by
private funds (yes some royal governmental funds at times..)..


 >drug dealers, spies, terrorists, and organized crime figures (assuming
 >enough probable cause to convince a judge) who need to be watched, not
 >law-abiding citizens.


The USA Today says "late this year".  The question is, will hockey be moved to
ESPN2 permenantly, or will it be where they have a game of the week on
ESPN, and have a bunch of other games on ESPN2?

--
Mike Cornell     | "There are a great many people in the country today who,
mac18@po.cwru.edu|  through no fault of their own, are sane." -Monty Python


Does anyone out there know where some one can become educated in the art of
repairing Macintosh computers?  Also, how does one gain the prestige of being
refered to as a Authorized Apple Service person?  Has anyone out there actually
done any of this or maybe even know someone who did.  I would appreciate any
and all comments on this subject.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ben Roy--------internet<br4416a@american.edu>---------PCS(poor college student)


1. Please take this out of sci.space.

2. Ayn Rand was not only born in Russia, but educated there. A lot
of her philosophy reflects not only a European education but a
reaction against certian events in Russia while she lived there.
I've heard that to the extent there is a division of modern philosophy
between the "Continental" and British/American schools, Rand belongs in
the former in terms of methodology et al, even though she was trying to
say things that would belong in the latter school.

I.e. she was trapped in the language of Kant and Hegel, even though
she was trying to say (at times) much different things.


For Sale:

Time Line for Windows by SYMANTEC

Never Opened.. Still in wrap......

Retails for $495.00  Asking $250.00

Send E-Mail if interested.

Jonathan


A few random thoughts on riding with a passenger:

There's no substitute for a bike with sufficient power, having taken
passengers very occasionally on the small (125 etc) bikes I used to
ride in the UK it was hard ! I'm now riding a GS1100 and that's great,
even moving from my freinds GSX600 I was riding recently. This may be due
in part to the fact that neither I, nor my regular passengers, are
particularly slimline !

I always tell passengers, stay in line with the bike on corners, that makes
their movements predictable.

My regular passengers both tend to hold either the rack or nothing at all,
I don't really like having a passenger hold onto me except for short periods.
Again that may be biased by the fact that I've had a couple of new passengers
(a friend recently for her first time on a bike) who hold on to me real tight,
making any kind of maneuvering difficult.

I've also discovered that on longer trips I prefer a passenger who moves and
shifts their weight a bit. I recently took a work collegue to a meeting (about
a 1 hour ride) and he sat totally still the whole way which left me also
sitting very still and getting a sore back.

We have a code system for turns, stop and for 'I need to shift position'.


We are planning on buying 15-20 X Terminals.  I have the article from Jim
Morton regarding prices, etc., and am looking for any other information
that will help me decide which to buy.

The terminals will be connected to a DEC 3000/400 AXP with 96Mb RAM,
running OSF/1.  From what I have found out so far, it would be best to run
as much as possible in the terminal itself (X11, window manager, xterm,
etc.), and that in order to do this we need n Mb RAM in the Xterminal
(where n ranges from 4 to 10, depending on who I talk to).

What should I be looking for?  What sort of questions should I be asking
the salespeople?

Thanks


Gregg, you haven't provided even a title of an article to support *your*
contention.

You also have no reason to believe it *is* an anti-Islamic slander job, apart
from your own prejudices.

Why, yes.  What's a mere report in The Times stating that BCCI followed
Islamic banking rules?  Gregg *knows* Islam is good, and he *knows* BCCI were
bad, therefore BCCI *cannot* have been Islamic.  Anyone who says otherwise is
obviously spreading slanderous propaganda.

I see.  If someone wants to provide references to articles you agree with,
you will also respond with references to articles you agree with?  Mmm, yes,
that would be a very intellectually stimulating debate.  Doubtless that's how
you spend your time in soc.culture.islam.

I've got a special place for you in my...

...kill file.  Right next to Bobby.  Want to join him?

The more you post, the more I become convinced that it is simply a waste of
time to try and reason with Moslems.  Is that what you are hoping to achieve?