One possible reason is that file' is made with sassafras leaves, while root
beer was made with sassafras bark or root bark.  The leaves contain either
no
or less saffrole than the bark.

There is also some sort of treatment which putatively removes saffrole from
sassafras products.  I have some concentrated sassafras tea extract which
is
claimed to have the saffrole removed.

Well, the last time that I went to the store to buy sassafras bark to make
root beer, there was a sign saying that it wasn't sold for human
consumption.
Also, when I asked the person if they had wild cherry bark and wintergreen
bark,
she made a point of telling me that I couldn't buy sassafras for human
consumption.

I find the fact that some people reckless enough to step into an automobile
live
in fear of dropping dead because of a pork rib quite funny, in a sick way.

Eric Pepke                                     INTERNET:
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Supercomputer Computations Research Institute  MFENET:   pepke@fsu
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Tallahassee, FL 32306-4052                     BITNET:   pepke@fsu


Hi
Could someone please send me enough info to talk to a MK3801? It's some
kind of multifunction peripheral chip made by Mostek I believe. Any help
would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks in advance

Dave


From article <pdb059-220493112512@kilimanjaro.jpl.nasa.gov>, by pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew):

#> A very well put together post. I disagree with several key points, but the
#> post is an excellent one with which to "engage in discourse":

I agree wholeheartedly.  Paul, you have handled this so well,
I think that you could write ballot materials.

No, don't stop!

#> Right to Equal Opportunity (lets call it REO) involves coercion in all cases
#> (by definition).

Good question.  It just depends.  How's that for an answer?  :-)
Seriously, I believe that it depends on wether or not you are
talking about a governmental employer or not.  In this case, I
believe that there should be absolutely no discrimination,
direct or indirect, period.  I feel this way not because it would
offend my moral sensibilities (which it of course would), but
because the government is a coercive entity which we cannot
escape.  It boggles my mind that in my lifetime, there were
"whites only" drinking fountains in some parks, but no fountains
for others, yet the taxes garnished to support those fountains
certainly were not applied to "whites only."  In essence, we
cannot escape the coercive state.  Even Randy Weavers have to pay
property tax.  On the other hand, private employers are not a
monopoly, and their businesses should be run by them, and not by
the government, unless they elect to turn their affairs over to
that government.

#> Why? Says who? Why can mom & pop have FOA, but IBM be forced, and force is
#> the correct word here, to have REO?

But if the mom & pop store is affected by who they hire,
isn't IBM?  There is a slippery slope here.  In Santa Cruz
(where a number of loony anti-discrimination laws exist),
a guy sued a restaurant for not hiring him because he had
every imaginable kitchen utensil dangling from his earlobe,
and his tatoos were very distracting.

#> Suddenly, by arm waving, by magic, a landlord does not have FOA. And on
#> what basis does the FOA of the landlord "disappear"?

#> It seems that vague terms like "no contact with tenants" suffice.

I have a lot of interaction (all positive) with my tenants,
so I guess that that isn't an issue.  But say I were to buy
a unit in another town, and have it managed by a third party.
Let's say that I have a real aversion to Christians because
of the stuff that they buy into hook line and sinker, and
because of the lunatic schmucks that they try to get elected.
I don't want any of those fish symbols hanging in the window
of a house that I own.  Should the government intervene?  If
I was Elie Weizel and the only rental applicant was Tom
Metzger, should I be forced to rent this distant unit to him?

#> The companies on the Fortune 500, for example, are all privately owned. They
#> can give you a list of all of their owners. They have no "anonymous",
#> unknown to them, owners.

Yes, and the neat thing about this is that unlike the mom &
pop store, you and I can buy shares in IBM, and have influence
over their decision making policies if we don't like them.

Anyway, Paul, keep up the good work.


Granted it's nothing to loose sleep over, but this is Ethernet's tragic flaw:
the more activity (especially lots of tiny activity), the more collisions
happen and the performance gets exponentially worse...  I am just now
opposing ANY kind of waste of bandwidth under Ethernet.  Although in a polling
system it would not be so bad.


This all would also implicate that in order for the sinning 2 month
old baby to get forgivance, he or she has to ask for help from Jesus.
Somehow I find this a little bit amuzing.

Cheers,
Kent


"Petroleum naphtha," available at most hardware stores, will remove most
adhesives.

--


 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now just wait one cotton picking minute here.... DoD rule 417.1.2 section 6
paragraph 3 clearly indicates that multiple people can't lay claim to a bike
in an "obvious" ploy to "artificially" increase the size of their stable...

So the question of the day is... Is Spike owned by a lady of true class and
breeding (my definition: any woman who rides :-) ) or by Tom the harely head???
I also note that you lay no claim to Connie or Ol Sport. (Like I said,
obviously a lady of discriminating taste...)

Bored minds wanta know.


I have been having problems with a slightly different clutch problem on
my 90 Prelude. See rec.autos.tech for more detail. My problem is a false
engagement point below the actual one. It also seems affected by weather -
it is most noticeable (and annoying) on damp or cold days. My dealer says
he can't reproduce the problem - I think I'll just sell the car.


I've started getting a message from Windows 3.1 whenever I try to execute
a DOS program from Windows, either thru the Program Manager or the File
Manager. A message box comes up and says "This program or one of its
components is compressed. Use the MS-DOS expand command to expand the
file."

Now, I know this is bogus, because I can always execute the program
from DOS when not running windows. The program in question is COMMAND.COM
(yup, the basic DOS command line shell...) And, the expand command tells
me that the file is already expanded.

All my windows apps work just fine - I only get this message when trying
to execute a DOS program from Windows.


Since 1979, the members of the European Parliament (the parliamentary assemby
of the European Community) have been elected directly by the citizens of the
Member States. Before, the Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) were just
Members of National Parliaments (MNPs) elected by and from among their peers.

In the European Parliament, every Member State has a fixed number of seats,
which increases less than proportionally with the population. Once in five
years, a general European election is being held, in which the citizens of all
Member States choose their representatives to the European Parliament. Next
elections are due in 1994.

Now the voting system for these European elections still differs from one
country to another. Although the European Treaty enabling the direct election
of the MEPs requires a uniform voting system, up to now every country has just
used its own system, more or less the same one used for national elections.
British MEPs are elected in a first-past-the-post system with one MEP per
district; nearly all other States have chosen a system with proportional
representation. But then in some countries (France, Italy) MEPs are allowed to
be a MNP as well, whilst in others they are not (Belgium, Netherlands).

The European Parliament is now working on a uniform election system for its
own members, so that every candidate should have the same regulations to
comply with, regardless of the Member State (s)he wants to be elected for. I
would like to know what you people out there think of the following questions:

1. Do you think it is necessary to have uniform regulations or should every
Member State continue to use its own regulations (for European elections that
is)?

2. Do you think a system of majority voting should be implemented, with one or
more MEPs per district, or would you prefer a system with proportional
representation (for the whole of the Community or per state, per region, per
district?).

3. Do you think the European Commission (or just its president) should be
directly elected too, or should it be appointed by the European Parliament, or
by the joint Member State governments as it is now?

4. The Maastricht Treaty allows subjects of Member States to stand for
election in another Member State they are residing in. Do you think you would
or could vote for a foreigner if his/her ideas appeal to you?

5. Do you think MEPs should be allowed to be a member of a national parliament
or a regional parliament too? Or a member of a national or regional government
body?

6. The European Parliament now has meetings in both Strasbourg and Brussels.
MEPs themselves are for a complete move to Brussels in great majority, but
political compromises between the governments of the Member States stick to
the status quo. Do you approve of this or do you think the European Parliament
should meet in one city only, and if yes, which?

Please post your answers to eunet.politics, to which all followups are
automatically directed. If you do not have access to that group, please mail
your answer directly to me and I will post it for you.

I hope many of you will take the time to post their views on this matter.


The title says all.

(not IBM brand)


Is it going to be possible to upgrade a C610 to Tempest?
If so, how...motherboard switch?
Probably gonna be expensive right?


    >I guess that you are a person who dislikes contact with
    >people of ethnic minority. However, your argument again falls
    >flat on its face. You state that you, under an
    >anti-discrimination bill, would be forced to associate with
    >others [homosexuals, I assume] against your will. How do you
    >know that you do not associate with them now, except they may
    >be closeted? Would you like to change your argument to read
    >"forced to associate with truthfully homosexual people
    >against my will"? You have no proof that anyone you now know
    >may not be homosexual and this punches a large hole in your
    >argument. Is it your belief that a homosexual comes in only
    >one flavour (sic) and that is the camp mincing type? Prove
    >it. You cannot.

You are quite incoherent. Perhaps YOU should be forced to associate with
some people against YOUR will. I think a nice large group of skinheads
in a locked basement for 12 hours will wonderfully educate you.

After all, as you don't believe in Freedom Of Asscoiation, you can't
complain can you.

Bloody turdlet ...

--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?


Surely it was intended as wit.

By the way, which "atheist cause" were you referring to, Bill?


greetings..
I'm a novice in messing comp. hardware.
My original IDE HD is a 42MB Western Digital which came with the system
when I bought it. And I just got a 213MB IDE HD Maxtor that I wanted to
add as a slave drive. I did change the jumper settings on 213A Maxtor to
configure it as slave drv, but I didn't change anything on my 42M Western
Dig, since I didn't have any doc. on it. And as I predicted, It just beeped
and gave me an error message about HDD controller.
So, I had to take my 42M off & install my 213A to be my only HD.

any help on this matter would be much appreciated.
(before I trashed my 42MB)

Thankx much


The tongue that brings healing is a
	tree of life,
	but a deceitful tongue crushes the
	spirit.


I received my Graphite VL on Thursday, and I've had a little bit of
experience with it now.  In general, it feels *FAST*, although this
is the first VLB card that I have tried.  Still, the results are
impressive.

With my 486DX2/66 w/16 MB, running at 1024x768/256, I've had the following
WinTach 1.0 results:

Card				WP	CAD	Spread	Paint	Overall
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
ATI Graphics Ultra		13.5	14.5	19.1	25.0	18.0
ATI Ultra+ (no aperture)	11.2	13.8	10.7	20.9	14.1
Hercules Graphite VL		16.1	67.8	41.4	52.8	44.5

Unfortunately I don't have the numbers here, but the ATI Ultra Pro VLB
had an overall WinTach score of about 26.  The Ultra Pro was nearly as
fast in text handling, but was blown away in the CAD and Paint tests.

As an additional test, we hand-timed a complex CorelDraw! slide resize/-
redraw times.  There was no swapping, but I'd expect there is a fairly
heavy load on the CPU.  The Graphite redraw times averaged about 10.2
seconds, with ATI Ultra Pro at 12.0.  This jives with Steve Gibson's
contention that the ISA Graphite is faster than an ATI UP on his complex
Micrografx Draw document.

So far, I'm *very* impressed.  The drivers look solid, and the card flies.
The installation and utilities are different, but comparable to ATI's.  And
I didn't have to wait for Build 59 for some reliability...  With Hercules'
software developer special, you can get an evaluation copy of the card for
just $225 (or $200 for the ISA version).  Call 800-532-0600 if you want to
give it a try -- I'm a happy customer now!


                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I dont think you're correct here. There have been no reports of the Bosnians
Muslims supporting the Nazis in their genocide against the Serbians. The fact is
that the Croat govt. using their secret police (called the Ustache, I think)
were the prime agents of the Nazis in Yugoslavia against the Serbs.


Oh dear, time for me to try to remember my chemistry.  Let's see if I
can find the formulae somewhere in the dim recesses of my mind.
<sounds of gears>  <fumes of overheated oil>  <unmistakable stench of
the Nasal Chromatograph>   Ha!  I knew there was a double bond!  Now
how shall I show that in ASCII?

          MEK:                                 Acetone:

          C - C - C - C                        C - C - C
              #                                    #
              O                                    O

The hydrogens are not shown, and # represents double bond.  MEK has a
methyl (CH3) on one side, and an ethyl (C2H5) on the other.  Acetone
has two methyls.  So acetone is not methyl ethyl ketone, but instead
is dimethyl ketone.  Both solvents have similar properties.  I think
that MEK may be a little less flammable but a lot worse to breathe.
It's a lot harder to buy MEK than it once was.  Use acetone.

Nail polish remover consists almost entirely of acetone.  If you buy
some for your workshop, get the very cheapest, because the more
expensive kind has oils and perfumes that you don't need.


When I see this happening to other players, I'll post a public apology to
Mr. Hirschbeck.  Until then, I think this was a case of "selective
enforcement."
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic


Uniden makes an all in one unit (X, K, Ka, Laser) for about $130.
Colorado Radar sells passive radar jammers, the passive supposedly being legal,
for about $100. wont help you with Laser however.


Candida can do that to you. :-)  Gordon, I think that the best clinical
trial for candida blooms would involve giving women with chronic vaginal
candida blooms L. Acidophilus orally and see it it can decrease the
frequency and extent of candida blooms in the vagina since most of the
candida seems to be migrating in from the anal region and L. acidophilus
should be able keep the candida in check if it can make it through the
intestinal tract and colonize in the anus where it will have access to
oxygen(just like it does in the vagina).  As much stuff as there is in the
lay press about L. acidophilus and vaginal yeast infections, I'm really
amazed that someone has not done a clinical trial yet to check it out.

The calcium and kidney stone story is not a good reason to throw all
conventional wisdom out the window.  Where would medicine be if
conventional wisdom had not been used to develop many of the standard
medical practices that could not be confirmed through clinical trials?
The clinical trial is a very new arrival on the medical scene(and a very
important one).  The lack of proof that reinnoculation with good bacteria
after antibiotic use is important to the health of a patient is no reason
to dismiss it out-of-hand, especially if reinnoculation can be done cleaply
and safely(like it is in animal husbandry).


Been messin roun progman.ini have ye?  I'm gessing you've been "tuning"
the system, that's the only way I can remember getting a blank screen
from CTRL-ESC.... when one of the PROGMAN.INI parameters was twinked to
0 or 3, can't remember.  I've never seen Win 3 do something like that on
her own, Captain.


what about

qrttoppm < file.dis | ppmtotga > file.tga

??


I copy relevant articles like this and post'em on local BBSes.  Not
everyone has newsgroup access.  ;-)

-Kelley-
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas Kelley Boylan, PowerPC, IBM Austin, kelleyb@austin.ibm.com


BUTT, BUTT, THEN YU W0NT BE ABLE T0 $EE THE CAR$ $NEAK!G UP BEHIND YU AND
P0P A WHHHEEEEELLLLEEEEE T0 D!TCHUM AND THE CHICK$ DIG IT!

Seriously, though, putting a helmet on a mirror is inadvisable because
you are then resting the weight of the helmet on the fragile foam
liner that is expected to cushion your noggin.  And once crushed, that
foam never pops back.

A variation of mirror hanging thing is what I do; with the bike on the
sidestand (hey, the centerstand is for maintenance) I turn the wheel to
the stop (left) and can hang the helmet by the chin-bar on the right
grip.  There is no crushable foam in the chin-bar, and it is pretty
secure on there (as long as the forks are locked).  If I have to leave
the helmet with the parked bike (and the bags aren't on/full), that is
about the most stable place.


Yes, these last couple of months the Kinngs have failed to show up in about
one game in five. Presumably last night was that one game in five.


please subscribe me.


Food products can get through breast milk and cause allergies in the
young.  Since the son is allergic it would be best not to go to
bottle feedings, but rather eliminate foods from mother's diet.  Your
pediatrician should be able to give you a list of foods to avoid.


For flexibility. Anyway, what you say is not really true. The color information
is associated with a GraphicsContext, not with a display, and the GC _IS_
a parameter to the drawing routines.

So, if you need to fast switch between green dotted lines and blue ones of
width 2, you can make 2 GCs for those cases and then simply do

XDrawLine(dpy,win,gc_red,x1,y1,x2,y2);
XDrawLine(dpy,win,gc_blue,x3,y3,x4,y4);

for this effect.

This is eventually more complicated to do for the programmer, but also much
more efficient and flexible. You would not include all the other parameters
like line pattern, with, cap and joinstyle, drawmode and so on in every
drawing call, so why do it for color ? BTW, stay away from XDrawPoint()
if you don't really need it (to draw RANDOM points), for image transfers
there are Image routines.


I believe it's legal to send DES code or equipment from the US to Canada
with no export license.  I think this is the only place you can do this - all
other countries require a license.

As an aside, I've always thought it should be legal to send DES software
anywhere, if you follow these rules:

   1.  Encrypt your DES software with DES.
   2.  Send the encrypted software to the recipient.
   3.  Send the key to the recipient.

The only way the person on the other end can use your DES software is if
he/she already *has* DES available - otherwise, they can't decrypt your
program, and it is useless.  If you've guaranteed they already have DES,
have you really violated any law by sending it to them in the form of
your program??  I'm sure it's still illegal, but it seems like a good idea...


I need to know where I can get a FAQ on Xwindows for MS-DOS machines.
The usual FAQ just gave me a name of a file called XServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z.
which I cannot find anywhere.


Hi everybody ...

Well I don't know if this is a known problem
to you in the big state but over here in Europe
it is in some places ...
It just happened to me and I payed A LOT to get my
new Honda Civic repaired.
A marten choose my car to stay one night in and this
damn little animal damaged almost everything which
was plastic/rubber ..
I never thought that these little #@%##@ could do that
much damage.

So to ALL you car owners out there :

Is there a GOOD known method of gettin' rid of  this animal ???
except for waiting all night long beneath my car with a gun ???

HELP IN ANY FORM WOULD BE APPRECIATED VERY VERY MUCH !!!!

e-mail: scheer@faw.uni-ulm.de


   We don't disagree on this.  All I said was that a right is whatever
you or somebody acting for you can enforce.  The Bill of Rights didn't
come into effect until it was ratified by the states (and indirectly,
the people); from that point it defined legal rights.  "Common law"
rights are vague and situational; that's why the people insisted on a
Bill of Rights in the Constitution, spelling out exactly what they
demanded from the government.  Legitimate or illegitimate, power is
power.  That's why the federal government can force states to grant
their citizens rights they don't wish to: In a slugging match, the feds
win.  Period.

   And you're right, this doesn't belong in sci.space.  I've said my
peace.  No more frome me on rights (at least not here).


<>In this giant bally-ho over this Clipper chip I noticed a rather
<>disturbing trend in some of the E-mail and posts I've tossing back and
<>forth.
<> [ ... deleted ... ]
<A circut court judge in Illinois once said "When dealing with a government
<that seeks continually new and more creative ways to spy on its' citizenry,
<one cannot discourage the move to empower the common citizen with the means
<to parry this attack on personal privacy."
<
<(Unfortunately the comment was with regard to the banning of radar
<detectors....)
<
<The point remains.  More and more I see the government slowly washing
<away privacy.  Even unwittingly.  Do you think I will ever live in a
<soceity that issues smart cards to citizens at birth?  Do you think I
<will live in a soceity that insists I register my crypto keys so they
<can keep track of what I'm saying?  Even if there is no evidence of my
<guilt?  Do you think I will ever live in a soceity that seeks to meddle
<in the affairs of its' citizenry without recourse of any kind?  I'm tired
<of it.  There is (IMHO) no compromise with an administration that seeks
<to implement these proposals under the guise of enhancing privacy.
<
<More than the proposals themselves, I read the language of the press
<releases, the obvious deception involved in presenting these pieces to
<the public, and I am sickened.  I am revolted.  I am repulsed.
<
<90%, perhaps even 95% of this country could care less about the
<clipper chip, the wiretap bill, the smart card, because they are so
<entrapped in the rhetoric of the Clinton Administration.

The problem is, the people are not having the scope, or implicataions
pointed out to them.  Hell, most haven't even heard of Clipper, and
when they do, it will be in soothing language telling everyone how
nice the government is at 'letting them have' privacy.

How come the media is not telling about the provisions of the Clipper
decision?  The provisions of the Crime Bill?  The abuses of Civil Forfeiture?
The government uses polls to support 75 percent of the people want
gun bans, etc., yet the same pollsters have determined (according to
the media) that 30 percent of the people are unaware of what the Holocaust
is...

The people cannot be expected to give decent decisions when they are
denied the information that all these abuses and whittling away of
rights are going on quietly.  When they find out (when it hits them),
it will be too late.  One cannot expect each citizen to spend all their
time probing, searching, researching, etc.   For example, how big a
percentage of the average population even has access to USENET?  Way
less than 1 percent, I bet.   How many outside of Internet/USENET
are even AWARE of what Big Brother is doing, or have been exposed to
arguments of both sides of the issue?

What the public will get is only ONE side:  The Government's side.

THAT is scary.

<
<This saddens and frightens me.
<
<I am a conserveative believe it or not.  A law and order conserveative.
<But the move to a centralized authoratarian regime really scares me,
<mostly because I know you cant go far wrong underestimating the
<intelligence of the American people.  Tell them it's going to keep
<them safe from drug dealers and terrorists, and they will let you
<put cameras in their home.

How can the bulk of the people be informed, when the media refuses to
do it?

<Even in the wake of Waco, you find those who support the increasingly
<totalatarian moves.
<
<>Somebody once said something like: "Armed Violence is meant only to be
<>used in response to an armed attack.  It is not meant to be used in
<>agression.  This is the difference between self-defence and murder."
<
<To be quite honest, the way things are going, I'd call it self defense.
<
<>Let's try to avoid killing things, eh?  There's enough blood shed in the
<>world, without adding a couple of riots, Civil Wars, etc.
<>
<>I'm probably overreacting.  But what I've read scared me a lot.  I don't
<>want my children growing up in a War Zone.
<
<
<And I dont want mine growning up in the eyes of a security camera
<24 hours a day.

The people at large need to be informed.  BUT HOW?   I am but one person.
I try to talk to everyone that will listen, but I can hardly make any
kind of dent.


	Have the feds shut down the people making Sound Blaster? What
about Apple and NeXT? Apple, NeXT, Sun, and others make systems that
can handle CD-quality audio in and out, and can perform arbitrary
transformation on it in the process of transmitting it across a network
or modem.

	Perhaps there's a market for a portable vocoder. Not a crypto
device, simply an RS232<->voice converter. Make it capable of recording
speech and playing it back simultaneously. It has applications for
multimedia, computing for the handicapped, Internet Talk Radio, IRC,
etc, etc, etc.  It wouldn't be a cryptographic device at all - but I
suppose someone could have it hooked to a 486 laptop with a V.32bis
modem and some crypto software. I'd market the thing with an API for
text-to-speech using simple phonemes and the ability to use speech
samples. And, of course, I'd publish the interface to it so other
folks could write any applications they wanted to talk to the thing.


I am looking for a small utility that will convert a Microsoft Video (AVI)
file to an Autodesk Animator Pro (FLC) file. Since AVIs also contain sound,
it would be nice if this utility also stored the sound track as a WAV or VOC
file. Currently I'm accomplishing this by saving the AVI as multiple DIBs
using Video for Windows, then converting each DIB to a GIF, then loading the
GIFs into Animator. For the sound, I load the original AVI into WavEdit and
save it as a seperate WAV file. This requires too many steps to be productive.

Any help will be GREATLY appreciated.

          Thanks
             Don


Very well indeed.  At home (a VL Bus version of the Graphics Pro) I can stretch
an AVI window to 640x480 and it will continue to play back smoothly.  It drops
a few more frames but on most machines even attempting such a thing would mean
one frame update every 30 seconds.  An ISA Graphics+ was able to do "Zoom by
2" without any perceptible performance penalty.  It is the best performance
I've seen so far with the possible exception of an Intel Indeo board (which
uses overlay so it doesn't have to move the decompressed data over the ISA
bus at any point).


May I suggest that any any proposed cipher system
having less entropy than the user's key and message can have
an embedded subliminal channel as big as the
difference in entropies between the entropy of the user
input (message) and the entropy of the output?

For example, take plain DES.  The unsuspecting
user inputs a string "PLAINTEXT" to be enciphered.

He cranks the algorithm which has been hacked
by George Quisling and comes out with j*3H4902d.

Nine char in and nine chars out.  Right?

The unsepecting user ships the ciphertext
to be decrpyted and the message "PLAINTEXT"
is produced.  Everything fine, right?  Nope.

Imagine the algorithm did a LZ compression
on PLAINTEXT before DESing. (Compressing is
down to four characters with more entropy:

9#wj

The opponent now pads the message with his
own message, also compressed

*3dk@

before applying DES to the concatenated
compressed pairs.  When decrpyted, the
first compressed message is stripped off
and declared sent.  Unbeknowst to the
receiver, the opponents accomplice collects
the remaining message in the bit bucket and
uncompresses to KILL NOW.

And to prevent all such subliminal or covert
storage channels you would need to have
maximal entropy all the time -- which is
a priori impossible because (for example)
a stereotypical message might be
replaced by one bit in the output reserving
the rest of the output bits for the long
covert message.

In other words, if you opponent get to muck
with the algorithm -- you either have got to
muck with it LAST or concede his possible
embedding of covert channels.

In other words, if you present a message
to an opponet with less than maximal entropy
then you have given him free bits of storage.


McGuyers makes a full line of polishing compounds and waxes... Read
the lables and pick the one that matches the marks that you see on the
paint. Then do both you and your fiance a favor by putting a nice
thick coat of the carnuba wax on the bike. After that those little
scratches will just buff out.


While I have gotten 8-9 years out of this digital receiver, it
has been acting VERRY strange of late.  I hope that  the following
symptoms may help someone diagnose the error:

- i know that whatever lithium memory backup it had - has long died
thus if i unplug it - it won't remember the presets

- it has given up listening to the remote.  (i tried changing the remote's
batteries) when i try a remote function - the receiver registers that it
received it (a green remote light flashes) but the right function
doesn't happen - if any function at all.  (also strange- when i hit
the "mute" button, for example, the display panel goes black - yikes-
i've never seen that before ...)

- before all the strangeness started, the system turned itself OFF and ON
again - by itself

- sometimes it won't play a radio station, so i have to kinda twist it
(yes kinda flex the motherboard, chasis) for it to get the radio
tuning back - the aux in function always works however....

it is inconvenient, but NOT inconvenient enough to pay an
expensive repair fee.  while, i'm not a hardware guy, i wonder
if something as simple as a surge supressor will be a quick fix.
the strange thing is that these symptoms come and go ...

someone told me this unit series has a bad Voltage Amp chip.


The idea of an apostacy did not originate with Lucy Smith or Joseph
Smith or the Mormons.  The idea of a restoration was quite common
in the early 19th century USA.  Alexander Campbell, founder of the
group that now survives with the name "Disciples of Christ" preached
that the primitive church had been lost and was attempting to restore
it (although not be revelations).  Many Cambellites subsequently became
Mormons, including co-founder Sidney Rigdon.  Actually, you can find
such sentiments in many of the early protestants of the reformation,
such as Martin Luther.
--
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."


I always believed the statement 'those who do not know their history
are condemned to repeat it (Will Durant ?), but I am beginning to
believe the opposite is true.

Here in t.p.m and in other newsgroups it seems that history is
mainly remembered to foment hatred or to be used as a club. In the
history of my own people there are ample acts of shame, both done
by my people and done to my people. Since I was not party to any
of those acts, I refuse to accept blame for the evil acts that my
ancestors committed, nor do I direct hatred toward the descendants
of those who committed evil acts against my ancestors.

Will all of this discussion rebuild a single mosque? Will it rebuild
the Temple? Somehow I doubt that it will.

A post in another group, on the Bosnian war, asked us all to love
each other, that love would conquer hate. Sadly, I remember a TV
interview with a young woman in Sarajevo (sp?) who was as I remember,
a former olympic calibre contestant in the rifle shoot. She was now
trying to pick-off Serbian snipers. During the communist years she
had married a Serb, who was now fighting against her people. So it
seems that hate will conquer love.

Is there an odd chance that we might all forget past wrongs and try
and see how we might all live together? It's a damn small planet,
which we have come very close to turning into a radioactive ball,
glowing softly in space. We seem to have been spared that prospect,
shall we now bathe it in each other's blood?

Shalom, Salam, and Peace


I have just added a Panasonic KP-X1123 24pin dot matrix printer to a 386sx/25. I installed
the appropriate Windows 3.1 printer driver (i.e. one specifically for this printer) but I'm
unable to persuade the poxy thing to print correctly.

What appears to be happening is that the TrueType fonts don't get printed properly. My
experiments show that all graphic images (for example a line drawing from Corel Draw) print
ok. GraphicsWorkshop for Windows happily prints GIFs etc. MS Notepad and MS Write will
print correctly providing the font's in the text are printer fonts.

When I print TrueType fonts, some lines appear to be printed in the wrong order. If I change
the text font to a printer font, the problem is eliminated.

I have tried using printer drivers for printers which the KX-P1123 (snappy name) emulates,
namely Epsom LQ-850 and IBM ProPrinter X24 and the same problem occurs.

If there is some kind soul who can tell me just what the hell is going on, I would be most
chuffed.


I really feel the need for a knowledgable hockey observer to explain this year's playoffs to me. I mean, the obviously superior Toronto team with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing. What gives?

--
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I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.
		-- Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89


[Discussion on Josephus inserts]

Thanks.  Am I correct, then, in assuming that that Josephus
did in fact write about Jesus, but Christian copists embellished it?


[BH] Tsiel,

[BH] I would contend that there was shelling from both sides of the border,
[BH] starting from the early 70's.  Certainly the PLO did shell Northern
[BH] Israel from the Arqoub region, but Israel did much more shelling
[BH] destroying several South Lebanese villages.  At the very least
[BH] we can say that both sides exchanged shelling, with occasional
[BH] aerial raids by Israel on Lebanese villages.
[BH] In any case Steve's characterization that the 1982 invasion was only in
[BH] response to years of shelling from Lebanon is false.  Israel had
[BH] many reasons for invading but mainly it did so to install a government
[BH] in Lebanon favorable to Israel, and it nearly achieved this aim
[BH] with the election of Basheer El Gemayel, and his brother, Amin
[BH] El Gemayel, but the internal situation in Lebanon was too hard
[BH] to control and predict so Israel had to withdraw, and Amin El Gemayel
[BH] had to abrogate the 17 th of May Agreement.

Basil,

I was only correcting Steve's statement that Geurillas were shelling Israel
from the Golan, which was absurd.
The fact that "Israel did much more shelling" was in response to Palestinian
shelling from Lebanon. Israel has no intention of keeping an inch of Lebanese
territory. Israel will continue to fight Hizbullah, PLO, FPLP etc. as long as
its northern border is not quiet. If the Lebanese army can control these
elements then I think we can see genuine peace on the Israel-Lebanese border.
I remind you that a couple thousand Lebanese cross each day into Israel to
work.
As for the election of Bashir Gemayel, it is true that he was favorable to
Israel, is that why the Syrians killed him? His brother Amin was a Syrian
puppet, if he had not been, he would have been dead by now.

Tsiel


Try to run Xsun under truss(1).

	The best way to do this is by logging in over the network
	and typing:

	truss -t open Xsun

open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.dir", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/fonts.dir", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/fonts.alias", O_RDONLY, 0666) Err#2 ENOENT
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/fonts.dir", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/fonts.alias", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/fonts.dir", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/fonts.alias", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/misc/6x13.pcf", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8
open("/opt/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf", O_RDONLY, 0666) = 8

This will give you and idea of where Xsun things the fonts should be.

If you have defined  a project root and done a make install, everything
should have gone right by default, even without symbolic links.


The article was probably referring to changing the clock oscillator in a manner similar to that done on Quadra 700's and IIsi's. I haven't read a report of this actually being done on a Centris 610 but supposedly this also works on Q900,
Q950 and centris 650 machines.


I totally agree with your friend, since when the CPU is apparently idle
it is still in fact churning away millions of instructions per second
(checking for keyboard input for instance).

The exception to this is for CPU's used in laptops, where the CPU can
enter an idle state where it is just preserving its current status but
doing absolutely nothing.  In this case it needs a hardware interrupt
to get it going again.

--
_____________________________________________________________________

Victor Buttigieg					e-mail:	victor@uk.ac.man.ee.comms

Communications Research Group

University of Manchester


It was not just those penalties. Most of all it was the penalty the referee didn't
call on the Czechs right before their first goal.

Don't you think it's quite silly to call it a Nazi attitude, when some people
throw coins on the ice? Hey, I don't approve the behavior of these guys,
especially not in a WC game, but I can't see any reason for using the word 'Nazi'
in this connection.

Soccer hooligans are not just a German problem (remember the world cup in Italy).
Again: there's a big difference between throwing coins and smashing shop-windows
or fighting with other so-called 'fans', who come to a WC just to see if the
Dutch or the English or the Germans are the best bruisers.
Which other sports are you talking about? I don't think soccer is 'every possible
sport'.

How many Germans do you know? Do you think 200 out of 10000 is 'most of them'?
If you hear about some white policemen beating a black man in the US, what do you
think about the Americans? 'Most of them' like beating blacks?


:
: Why can't he record it legally?  It may not be admissable in court, but
: recording for personal use is legal.  If he wants to play it for his ham
: friend, that's legal too, as long as he doesn't charge admission.

Yeah - I goofed - a slip of the mind. I must be getting senile.

... deleted ...

: Hey Bill, where were you three weeks ago when all this stuff was posted
: and dealt with?

Busy posting on about 20 other groups. I get to this one about once every
three months or so.


I am looking for a VESA local bus Card.
to control my IDE drives, Floppies, game port, parallel port, and most
of all my serial ports.  the serial ports must have sockets for the
UARTs and non of this intergraded chipset that generic boards have on
them.


Hello again.

Anyone here done any tinting work.  What are the best brands out there?
How about applications...I heard there was a water based brand that s
you can move around, till it's just right, and you then let it dry like that.

Also I would consider having it professionally done, how much around
Wisconsin or Chcago area, that does a decent job, fairly cheap. (college kid)

Thanks for all the info...

Ps.  What is the maximum legal tint limit.


Sure thing. Here are the FIrstClass systems in those area codes:

MacValley Online	      	Burbank, CA			        	(818) 840-0518
The Drawing Board	     	Hacienda Heights, CA	  (818) 965-6241
BPS						               Hollywood, CA		       	(213) 874-1919
SanGabriel Valley MUG 	 Pasadena, CA		        	(818) 790-5426

And here is all of California (unformated, sorry):

Middle Earth			Anaheim, CA				(714) 828-9758
Byte Out of The Apple	Benecia, CA				(707) 747-0306
Planet BMUG				Berkley, CA				(510) 849-2684
MacValley Online		Burbank, CA				(818) 840-0518
Gentle Rain Forum		Claremont, CA			(909) 593-6144
CyberSpace BBS			Culver City, CA			(310) 568-9184
* AllNet				Cupertino, CA			(408) 736-2607
The Boy's Club  		Cupertino, CA			(408) 261-8331
Meme Net				Fresno, CA				(209) 431-6363
Sierra Mouse Trap		Grass Valley, CA		(916) 265-9739
The Drawing Board		Hacienda Heights, CA	(818) 965-6241
The Public BBS			Half Moon Bay, CA		(415) 726-3587
BPS						Hollywood, CA			(213) 874-1919
Imagine-NET				Irvine, CA				(714) 660-7738
eNet					La Canada, CA			(818) 952-6609
Guerilla Symbiotics		La Verne, CA			(909) 593-6862
Macrocosm				Livermore, CA			(510) 449-1648
OneNet					Los Altos, CA			(415) 948-1349
MacIsland				Los Angeles, CA			(310) 476-2299
MacShasta				Mt. Shasta, CA			(916) 926-4854
Foundation				Newhall, CA				(805) 255-7237
SanGabriel Valley MUG	Pasadena, CA			(818) 790-5426
Gooey BBS				Point Mugu, CA			(805) 986-1216
Servant Christian BBS	Redondo Beach, CA		(310) 371-2770
SBAMUG					Redondo Beach, CA		(310) 792-8083
A-1 EZ OK				San Diego, CA			(619) 693-1575
This is not empTV?		San Diego, CA			(619) 450-1590
Harry's BBS				San Francisco, CA		(415) 824-7809
Bare Bones BBS			San Jose, CA			(408) 272-2173
City Connection			San Jose, CA			(408) 272-3332
MacDaze					Santa Barbara, CA		(805) 964-6320
Mac Magic				Santa Barbara, CA		(805) 682-1737
Crumal's Dimension		Santa Clara, CA			(408) 246-7854
Casa del Cyborg			Santa Cruz, CA			(408) 457-2595
Beacon Comminque'		Simi Valley, CA			(805) 522-9602
Channel Z				Simi Valley, CA			(805) 581-4975
Jake and the Mac Man	Solona Beach, CA		(619) 775-2142
Iguana BBS				Sunnyvale, CA			(408) 733-8626
VIZability				Walnut Creek, CA		(510) 210-0800

- Jason


Cute characterization Bill; however, there is no inconsistency between
the two statements.  Even if one believes that religion is "primitive,
simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and childish", one
can still hold the view that religion also adds an unnecessary level of
complexity to the explanation.  The ideas themselves don't have to be
complex before being excised by Occam's Razor, they only have to add
unnecessarily to the overall complexity of the description.

I think the non-essential part of an explanatory system is one that
adds no predictive capability to the system.

Huh?

 ^^^^^
Watch it, your Freudian Slip is showing


Fred Gilham asks whether it is true that Goedel wrote a version of
the ontological argument for the existence of God.

Yes, it is true. Someone has published a rebuttal pointing out
certain flaws in the argument, and recently Professor C Anthony
Anderson, of the Philosophy Department of the University of
Minnesota, has written a revised version of the argument, perhaps
free of flaws, and at any rate free of the flaws complained of in
the original version. He has sent me a copy, which I still have (I
saw it last week when I was looking for something else), and when it
surfaces again I can supply particulars. My guess is that it is
being published (or already has been) in the Journal of Symbolic
Logic.


You are quite confident that essences do not exist.  How do propose to
define beings?  Can a thing can be *one* without definition?  Can a being
have a definition and know essence?

What about properties?  Do beings have properties?  Does God have
properties?

Does numbers exist in reality as abstract entities or do we invent them?

See my post in alt.messianic about the possibilities of tri-theism from a
phiolosophical point of view.


Has anyone built Xkernel for 3/80's?  It works great on our 3/50s, and I
would just as soon kiss the entire Sun 3 architeture goodbye (and reclaim
a bunch of disk space).  Email me direct, I'll post a summary.


Thanks to everyone who mailed help, unfortunately the end problem was a REALLY
stupid `oversight' on my behalf. The code was 100% perfect, but it might
help to add Control.C to my makefile.......

	Anyway the mangled name was telling me it could'nt locate the Control
constructor...


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The bacteria in your gut are important.  But colonic flushes are not the
way to improve gut function.  Each person has almost a unique mix of
bacteria in his/her gut.  Diet affects this mix as does the use of
antibiotics.  A diet change is a much better way to alter the players in
your gut than is colonic flushes.  Cross contamination has been a real
problem in some of the outfits that do this "treatment" since the equipment
is not always cleaned as well as it should be between patient "treatments".
Dental drills have me a little concerned about HIV infection and I've
picked a dentist that uses both chemical and autoclave sterilization of his
instruments(more clostly but much safer).  Full sterile technique is
also used just like that practiced in an OR(mask, gloves and gowns worn and
disposed of between patients).  Each visit costs me 15 dollars more than
the standard and customary fee so I have to pay it out of pocket.  His much
higher fees do not drive away patients.

I can not think of any good reason why someone should subject themselves to
this colonic flush procedure.  For very little, if any benefit, you
subject yourself to hepatitis, cholera, parasitic disease and even HIV.
Just ask yourself why someone might resort to this kind of treatment?
Could they be having GI distress?  Could this distress be due to a
pathogenic organism?  Could I get this organism if the equipment is not
cleaned properly between patients?  Do I really want to take this risk?
Food for thought.


I've only ever done it in an automatic. I was sitting in my Olds, in
the winter, at a light, when I heard screeching behind me. I managed to
dart into the left turn lane before the sliding Jetta wound up half
where I was and half in the parked car beside where I was. I've never
had occasion to do it on a bike, but I imagine that it would be even
easier, because you could slip beside the car in front. Giving a gander
at the mirrors while at a light will give you time to get the clutch
out smoothly when you notice trouble, instead of waiting for the
screeching.


---
I was wondering if someone could send me the pinouts to the Apple 13" and
14" RGB monitors.  Those parts of the docs seem to have been misplaced
around here.

Thanks a _lot_ for your help.

Kevin
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Kevin O. Lepard
Internet:  lepard@mayo.edu


You are correct (several times). TEMPEST is a codeword for a standard, shared between the NATO governments, to limit the inadvertent emission of information by either electromagnetic radiation or conduction. The limits set in the
standard are classified but there is open source information to the effect
that either the electrical or magnetic components of electromagnetism can be
exploited. It is a basic rule of physics that there is an electromagnetic
field associated with any path that conducts a flow of electrons.

Among other things, I drive a 1987 Korean built AT clone and an associated 24 pin dotmatrix printer. The major source of unintentional emission is the CRT. To that can be added the video driver card, the RS232 parallel cable and the
printer head. The emissions from these are gross can be detected with the
crudest of equipment. Were I to apply good test equipment and some
intelligence to measuring emission levels, I would find many other potential
sources of leaked information.

Where cryptography is used for serious purposes, poor TEMPEST protection
becomes an important security hazard.

In the early eighties, the need to allow some commercial concerns,
particularly financial institutions, a level of protection against TEMPEST
threat led to a series of briefings to invited corporations and to the
'release' of a cut-down TEMPEST stansard for commercial use. I say 'release'
for while equipment to meet the standard is available (at a price and to
approved customers) AFAIK even the commercial standard remains classified. If
you think about it, it would really have to wouldn't it?

--


Several weeks ago, I described a problem with my Apple High-Resolution
monitor and promised to summarize replies received by e-mail. To
recapitulate: Occasionally, every two or three hours or so, my monitor
momentarily loses sync. The entire raster image bounces down about an
eighth of an inch or so, then rights itself. This usually happens right
after I close a large window, highlight a large area, or do something that
radically alters the image on the screen. Sometimes, though, it happens
with no provocation whatsoever.

I have received a bewildering range of replies. At one extreme was
a man, clearly quite knowledgable about monitors, who said that the
problem was that the 13" monitor's power supply simply couldn't always
keep up with sudden changes of the raster image; the rapid change from
a largely light screen to a largely dark one overtaxed the monitor's
power supply. There was no fix available, he said, because nothing was
really wrong. (I guess he meant that the flaw was so fundamental that
it had to be endured.)

This seemed quite persuasive and I would have been tempted to
adopt an attitude of stoicism, except for a reply from a 13" monitor
owner who discovered that this very problem is documented in the
Apple Service Technical Procedures, Volume 3, under the heading
Jitter Correction. The section describes a fix involving the replacement
of a capacitor, the adjustment of a potentiometer, or, failing that,
the swap of a circuit board.


A friend of mine would like to sell his 850 MB SCSI drive for $800 + S/H.
It is a full-height drive, and has been used for about one and a half years.
If anyone is interested, please e-mail me.  Thank you.


	Build 59 still has a number of problems--sheared fonts, for
	instance, if you have Crystal Fonts enabled.  Some other problems--
	"color darkening" and some others.  I don't use the drivers in
	any mode other than 1024x768x256, so if there are bugs in the
	other modes I can't say.

	To be honest, up until now, I have only found one bug in the
	Diamond Viper drivers, and it seems innocuous.

	That is, under Microsoft Word, select Format Border, click
	shading and take a look at the patterns.  The 5% pattern
	has been swapped with the 90%, and so on.  The whole list
	is _completely_ reversed--looks right onscreen, but take
	it to another machine (i.e., a GUP or ss24x machine) or
	print it and iy shows--badly!

	Keep in mind that I use mainly 1024x768x65k mode, so I can't
	speak for the others, but otherwise these drivers seem pretty
	solid.

--
	"What's big, noisy and has an IQ of 8?"


Apparently, the public workers' strike in St John's, Newfoundland is over.
The strike has, since mid-January, forced the St John's Maple Leafs hockey
team to play their home games in other cities such as Toronto, Cornwall
and Charlottetown. They have been playing their playoff home games
in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Leafs' management said that they COULD
return to St John's for the second round.


Charles Boesel writes
(sci.image.processing,comp.graphics), wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael)

Illustrator for SGI is a shipping product. Adobe and SGI have announced that
Photoshop is being ported to SGI machines. A simillar announcement has been
made by Adobe and Sun for Sun platforms. No dates have been announced to the
best of my knowledge.


David Gibbs replies:

I guess I was semi-serious. Without using my hands, I lean and the bike
turns. When leaning, a torque is applied, at a 90deg angle to the front
wheel's axle, just as in countersteering. However, this torque is also about
90deg from the axis of the steering head. Instead of making the
bike lean, gyroscopic effect makes the bars turn, but I don't remember
which way.

-Rick

Oh yeah, I tried this in the driveway, on the centestand,(as suggested
somewhere else) but it doesn't seem to work the same.


As does the idea that a CS gas canister can get hot enough to ignite dry
baled hay.


A question for any high-mileage Audi owners out there: I am
interested in buying a 1989 Audi 5000S for $5500 Cdn.  The
reason the car is selling for so little is that is has
155000 km on it (just under 100000 mi.).  The car's owner
claims the car is in good condition.  My question is: how
reliable are Audi 5000s with mileage that high?  Would it
be worthwhile for me to buy the car?  Any problem areas that
I should look out for?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Post responses and/or
e-mail me.

Thanks

Steve Hui


This summer (~July 20) my wife (Michelle) and I will be in Boston
attending my brother's wedding.  After the wedding we are planning
to motor up to Bar Harbor, Maine to visit some relatives for a few
days.  Our summer would be *made* if we could find a bike (or bikes)
to borrow or rent to ride up to Bar Harbor and back.

Here's some important details:  I've been riding for ~11 years,
(my own bikes for the past 7 years), Michelle has been riding for the
past 6 years (her own bikes), I've only been involved in one accident
which was caused by a cage driver running a stop sign, I currently own
a BMW R90, Michelle owns a Yamaha Virago 700, we prefer cruising over
racing, we've toured a fair amount, we're both licensed and insured,
and we're nice people.

So, if anyone has a bike (or bikes :-), but the second one would have
to be a Virago or something else with an equally low seat) that they
would be willing to loan us for 3-4 days in July, Michelle and I would
be eternally grateful. In addition to our friendship, you would also
have the use of our bikes should you ever pass through Minneapolis.
In exchange, we would be happy to take you and a guest out for dinner
and an evening of wild bike stories, or we might even be willing to
cough up some money for improvements to the bike(s), like new tires or
something.

Also, any information about bike rentals in the Boston area would be
greatly appreciated.


In X10, the drawing attributes were bundled into drawing
requests;  that is, the server's drawing model was stateless.

This caused problems with performance and network traffic,
so the X11 redesign included the graphic context to codify
the drawing state.  Most application designers who want to
draw things in several different colors create a GC for
each color during initialization, then pass the GC id in
each drawing request.


 > Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at
 > Lourdes.  She referred to herself as the Immaculate Conception.
 > Since a nine year old would have no way of knowing about the
 > doctrine, the apparition was deemed to be true and it sealed
 > the case for the doctrine.

Bernadette was 14 years old when she had her visions, in 1858,
four years after the dogma had been officially proclaimed by the
Pope.


Oh, really. When?

The '93 Mustang Cobra can. Check it out.

Ehhhh, maybe. The '93 Mustang Cobra does a good job for a lower price,
and it's just a taste of what's ahead in the 30th Anniversary of
the original Pony Car.

Just think! Corvettes are almost up to the performance levels
of a '65 Cobra! Wow! In a few years, they might be up to the
performance levels of a '66 Ford GT-40. Wow, man, just think
about it... ;-)

				James


Hi, folks,

I have a question:

        How can I generate a PCX file using Word for Windows (2.0) ?

I know I can select a Postscript printer driver to get a PS file, but how
can I generate a PCX file ? Is there a printer capture utility for windows
that ever exists ? Or a utility to transfer PS format to PCX format, or
TIFF format?

Please reply by E-MAIL, I will give a summary. Thanks.


I'm not sure about this but I hope the answer is that you can't apply under
the law of return.  By conversion, you've elected not to be a part of the
Jewish nation.

At the moment you converted, you officially anounced to the world that *you* do not
consider yourself to be part of the Jewish Nation.  So, why should the Jewish Nation
consider you to be a member?

No.  As a result of wars brought by the Arabs against the Jews in an attempt to
annihilate Israel, the Arabs have lost their claim to land there.  Attacking Israel
is/was illegal and they now have to pay the price.  Do I feel sorry for the
Palestinians?  Yes I do.  But I blame the Arab nations for their problems, not
Israel.


By not being able to drive for a year, it was close enough to jail.

And, BTW, where the hell did I ask for sympathy.

I asked what to do about insurance, not about my _life_.

FWIW, if everyone was _honest_ on this group, I'd
others besides me that read this have had a DWI too.


Well over 100,000 in Lebanon alone.
1,000,000 - 2,000,000 in the Iran/Iraq conflict, even if Iranians
aren't Arabs, strictly speaking.  (They seem to hate the Zionists at
least as much as anyone else in the neighborhood.  Is there some
correlation perhaps between hating Israel and killing off your own
people?)


I assume that you are literally trying to create a widget of type
textWidgetClass. Use the AsciiText widget instead.

Jim


Has anyone seen hallusions?  You can buy a poster of them and it looks like a simple dot pattern
when you first look at it but if you focus behind it you see a 3d picture.  I'm looking for
a program that generates these pictures.  There's a company in Texas that makes them but I
doubt if they're giving the program away.  Any help would be appreciated.


Sorry, I've lost track of who asked the question originally
	(our news server at GSFC keeps things around for tremendously
	short periods of time), but wanted to be certain before I
	replied. Someone asked about displaying the compressed images
	from the Voyager imaging CD-ROMs on a Mac. As Peter Ford (MIT)
	pointed out, a decompression program is available via FTP.
	(Sorry, I don't remember the name of the node offhand,
	although it's .mit.edu.) In any case, though, one of the MAC
	display programs (CD ROM Browser by Dana Swift) does display
	the compressed images directly. The program is shareware and
	is distributed by NSSDC for nominal reproduction costs ($9 +
	shipping, if memory serves). This does *not* cover the
	shareware price which should go to Dana for his diligent work
	and upgrades, however.

	To request current pricing information, information about
	available display software, catalogs, or data from NSSDC,
	contact our user support office at:

		National Space Science Data Center
		Coordinated Request and User Support Office (CRUSO)
		Mail Code 633
		NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
		Greenbelt, MD   20771
		Phone: (301) 286-6695
		Fax:   (301) 286-4952


D> I am going to purchase a Modem with a S/R FAX capability. Currently I
 D> am considering Suprav.32bis or Global Village Teleport-Gold.
 D>
 D> The Global Village averages about $100 more, is there an advantage?
 D>
 D> Concerning FAX:  Do I need to be present when there are incoming FAX
 D> i.e., will the modem software recognize an incoming FAX and store the
 D> information. Once received, can I use Mac applications on the image.
 D>

My telephone line seems pretty stable and I have the Supra as well.  Works
great but with every passing day I fall behind on how many great 14.4s are
out.  Zoom is out of the question from what I'm hearing.  AT&T has a great
product from what I hear and the Sportster is really cheap now too.

If you want to receive a fax, your computer will have to be on, but not
the monitor and of course the modem.  You can set the number of rings that
will receive the fax on a specific ring you set with Fax STF software.
It's entirely up to you how to arrange that.  I've had faxes sent to me
which is great but I've been home to set it.  I don't have a need to set
fax receiving up all day.  Also I hear there is a device that can channel
all incoming phone signals for about $70.  Rumor also that the phone
company can hook you up with the same gizmo for about $5 if that's what
you need.

Best of luck and write back if you'd like more feedback.

 * Freddie 1.2.5 * Clinton:  The Tax Man Cometh & Cometh & Cometh & keeps on coming


  This neatly eliminates the need for a savior and "proves" that we can be
saved by works alone!  If we have no original sin, then it is possible for
us to save ourselves by not sinning.  I understand the reasoning behind your
argument, but it leads to sheer folly.  Original sin is the reason we need
faith to be saved.


Nothing wrong with what Felix did.  The only problem was that he didn't Dino
hard enough.  Next time Felix aim for the ankles!!!!!!!!!!


hi all, i got several emails and a couple news replies and i guess i
shoulda went into more detail... Being my anxiety level is peaking and you
folks have no clue who I am I may as well post the specifics and see what
you people think regarding my previous post.
To recap i applied to 20 schools total, 16 of which were MD and 4 DO.

as it stands now i have had 13 rejects, 4 interviews( 2 MD and 2 DO), the
results of which are 2 waiting lists (1 MD and one DO)

3 schools i heard nothing from at all.

I have contacted all institutions other than the rejects and they have no
info whatsoever to tell me.

I have taken a good mix to apply to.. 2-3 top schools a bunch of middles
and a few "safety"  (funny that most of my safety schools were the first
to reject me)

my index is at like a 3.5 mcats were R7 P9 B10 WQ and R7 P9 B11 WR
I couldnt get the damn reading score up... i never stuff like art
history, politics etc

Ive done medical research at the undergrad level, done clinical lab work
for years now, but unfortunately i have no patient contact experience.

I cant think of what else i left out... but thats the summary. What
percent of people are usually called from the waiting lists on an average?
I felt that my interviews went quite well yet i dont have a firm
acceptance in my hand... anyone have any suggestions as to calm the
mailbox anxiety?

If you premeds out there or med students have any questions or comments
for me feel free to send them down... Typing is a form of anti-anxiety
thereapy hehehehe :)


Geez, I didn't realize things were so bad at Ohio State that they can't
afford phone books, or even operators.

This is probably Clinton's fault, isn't it...8^)

403.


Pierre Turgeon of NYI, and Paul Coffey of Detorit are both #77.

Hope this help.


Yes!  Just take money from the profitable commercial enterprises
and give it to the government to "redistribute."  Government is so much
more efficient, trustworthy, and noble than self-serving businesses. :)

Let's nip this redistributionist ignorance in the bud.  If it were not
for commercial enterprises, the whole world would be starving.


You mean grep (Unix is case dependent) and awk (where did you get AUCK from?)


I would like to publicly apologize to our Anisa Aldoubosh
   for playing :
****
Well Anisa I am not sure that I feel the necessary remorse.
You and another Muslim lady ( Hanan Ashrawi ) seems to me to
be some attempt to charm the west into forgetting what you
are really saying.
It is not that we hate muslims but we hate certain things you
are saying every now and then. And it is depressing to ponder the
prospects for peace while those wievs are held by your people.
Not that we are better then you , we have our own prejudices
and vices in the West thank you. But your views are really
depressing . Thus I have fallen in the temptation to tease
and make a little fun instead of ....
and have problems to mobilize the necessary remorse!

Best Regards


From article <qekN3B4w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, by baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari):


much
Pure and Simple, Grant Fuhr is money.  He has been awesome in the playoffs,
especially last night.  But Mogilny has been scoring well, and his russian
friend Kymlev (sp?) has also done well.  But Fuhr is the biggest reason they
are winning, and the difference between this year's team and previous years.


I suspect the government feels it is enough to prevent companies from
offering secure encryption services.  Big companies don't take that
kind of risk.  They're too visible and have too much to lose.

The US government may not have to make encryption illegal to prevent its
use.  If they could credibly say to IBM or MIT: you will receive no US
government money next year unless you follow these voluntary guidelines on
use of encryption, I doubt either organization would delay making use of
encryption a violation of local policies.  The US government gets much of
its power by making it impractical to operate without getting money from the
government while putting restrictions on use of such money that would be
illegal if they were enacted as laws.


Just a quick comment.  As a baptist clergyperson, I find the idea
of such a "baptism" (if the news report is in fact accurate, and
they seldom are regarding religion) offensive.  The pastor here seems
to have a most unbaptist view of baptism- one that seems to demand the
ceremony even when comprehension and choice are absent.

We do baptize converts, but no one who has been deceived into hearing
the word is likely to be a convert.  If in fact the grace of God might
work in such a situation, there is no harm done in waiting a day or
two.

Baptist believe in regenerate membership.  Did this church include these
half-baked (at best) converts into their church fellowship? Or do they
somehow feel there is some validity in dunking them and turning them loose?

This kind of "evangelism" is certainly not baptist, and probably not
very christian, either.


and so on.

see my response in comp.dcom.modems.....all of your answers are there.

btw, next time, if you must cross-post into other groups, CROSS-POST
instead of posting multiple copies.  that way, only one copy of your
article must be transmitted by the network, and only one copy is stored
on people's disks (except in the case of brain-damaged news software).

   --jim

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I read that GM wants to keep the Design part of Lotus but lose the car
production. And, I seem to remember, that the main problem with the Elan
was caused by GM's insistence that the Elan be re-designed (significantly)
for the US market which caused major design & production headaches.

Quite true - brain fade on my part.


sherman@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Chris Sherman) gripes:

xv's been shareware for about a year ... hadn't you noticed?
I don't have a problem with this.  John Bradley has put a *hell*
of a lot of work into xv, and if he feels that it's time to get
some monetary reward from it, that's surely his right.

Had you bothered to consult the distribution terms of the IJG JPEG
code (which are right there in the xv distribution), you would have
observed that we specifically grant permission for use in shareware
and commercial software.  Sam Leffler's libtiff copyright also grants
permission for unrestricted use including resale.

"Commercial"?  There's a big difference between a polite request
for a voluntary donation and commercial, it's-illegal-to-copy-this-
and-we'll-sic-our-lawyers-on-you software.

I do agree that John's readme file could be a little clearer about
what he means by personal use.


hello out in networld,

       We have a lab of old macs(SEs and Pluses). We don't have enough money
to buy all new machines, so we are considering buying a few superdrives for
our old macs to allow folks with high density disks to use our equipment.
I was wondering what experiences (good or bad) people have had with this sort
of upgrade.

murray


Are you sure you want to do that?  If a win app locks up for some reason,
ctrl-alt-del may be the only way to kill the app and get back to Windows.
Granted it doesn't work all that often but it has come in handy on occasion.
I consider it pretty carefully before I disabled that keystroke.  Just a
thought.


If you read the last couple of books in the series closely (well, #3 and #4
at least), there are at least two points at which the real Question is
implied.  Conversations proceed much like:

Zaphod: What *is* the ultimate Question, I wonder?
Arthur (not paying much attention to Zaphod, but needing a random seed for
  the Infinite Improbability Drive): Think of a number, any number.

Actually, it may be Marvin who uses this phrase a few times as well, and
everytime it's arranged such that "Think of a number, any number" could be
an answer to someone's question about the Question.

I kind of like it.  Very mystifying.  It's not even "pick a number" or
"tell me a number", just "think of one".


Hi fellow auto enthusiasts!

Does anyone have any info on the new 4 valve per cylinder diesels Mercedes
is working on?  Any specs on outputs, engine size, will they be direct or
indirect injection?,  etc. would be welcome.  From what I hear these should
be out late this year, next year??

Thank you in advance for your replies!


I know this is the wrong newsgroup, but I was wondering if anyone
knows the date(s) of this year's COMDEX convention in Atlanta,GA.
Or has it passed already?? E-mail if possible. Thanks.


I'm interested in building my own PC. Can anyone recommend a
(UK available) book on the subject, and/or sources for parts?

Alternatively, can anyone recommend a source for a 486DX (33MHz)
PC  (again UK available). I've just seen in Computer Weekly that
the March '93 price for these has fallen to sterling 1092 (including
os, monitor, keyboard, delivery and VAT), but I can't find a single
advert that would give me a system at that price.


Hi there,

  Do someone of you have a program for sending a key event
to another window but it MUST appear in that window....

I have used xsendevent.tar package but it does not do that !!!

For example, if I get a program executing:

--------------
#!/bin/sh
read something
....
....
echo $something
....
....
--------------

and if I send the key event "<KeyPress>a,<KeyRelease>a"
to that window then I will get:

something=a

Thanks in advance.

--


You guys are correct.  The Bricklin was produced in Canada.
The National Museum of Science and Technology here in Ottawa
has one, and sometimes they put it on display.  Most of the time,
it stays in storage because the museum doesn't have much room.
It's a big deal for a car to be Canadian and that's why they
have it.  If anybody's a fan, they also have a nice green '73
Riviera that looks like it just came out of the showroom.
--
MIKE HARKER
OTTAWA, ONTARIO, CANADA
VOICE: 613-823-6757


=|>
=|> >I think that's the correct spelling..
=|> >	I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow
=|> >do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking
=|> >that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for
=|> >sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly
=|> >appreciated.
=|>
=|> Krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in
=|> the seas surrounding the antarctic. Or pictures taken by them, perhaps.
=|>
=|> Bill from oz
=|>
=
=
=Bill,
=No flame intended but you're way, way off base. In simple terms Kirilian
=photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects, in simple,
=it takes pictures of your aura.

Greg:  Flame definitely intended here.  Bill was making fun of the misspelling.
Go look up the word "krill."  Also, the correct spelling is Kirlian.  It
involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the
subject to a high-voltage source, not of some "aura."  It works equally well
with inanimate objects.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL


I plan on being in the Toronto area sometime this summer (late June or
early July) and would like to attend a Blue Jay game.  I would
appreciate if anyone could give me information on how to obtain
tickets for Blue Jay games.  I would prefer to get good seats and I
assume this would require going through some ticket broker and paying
$$$$.  Ticket broker info for the Toronto area and/or ticket info
directly through the Blue Jays would be appreciated (I'll bring oxygen
if need be.)  My schedule is flexible so any games are candidates
(though I'd prefer to see Texas.)

Thanks in advance.


The alt.* hierarchie is created for 2 purposes:
1. For groups which do not fit under the comp.* or other 'official'
  hierarchies
2. For the fast creation of hot new newsgroups like alt.gulf.war

Because there is no voting process or any other control facilities,
sites are free to decide not to carry (some of) the alt groups.

Therefore, it is (I think) desirable to try to create comp.graphics.
{raytrace, rendering or whatever} and not an alt-group


<<
<<<
<<<Anybody got Arlen Spectre's address?  I want to write to him and thank him
<<<for showing the leadership to demand a Congressional investigation
<<<into the Waco mess.
<<
<<If I had Arlen's address, I would go to his house (Do weasels live
<<in houses or in holes?) and personally tell him what a pathetic idiot
<<he is.  Arlen is the personification of the word "jerk". [snip...]
<<
<I'm no fan of Arlen Spectre's, but he did the right thing, and attacking his
<motives in this case is wrong.

Pardon me, here, but I don't trust Spectre's motives here at all.  Spectre
was a major part of the Warren Commission, (remember the magic bullet theory?)
and is NOT to be trusted if there's even the tiniest chance the guv'mint may
have done something wrong.  If he gets a chance I'm afraid he will satisfy
the public outcry with another whitewash.

<Unfortunately, if some of us get our wish and the BATF is disbanded or folded
<into the FBI,  etc., we may end up with a "more efficient" agency than the
<bumbling and competition we have today. Some agents should be fired. Some
<should be prosecuted. But keep them as bumbling as possible -- we retain more
<of our liberties that way.
<
Right on the money here.  We should certainly applaud the disbanding of the
BARTF but we must stress the personal responsibility of the goons who set
up the assault on American citizens.

We must NOT count on Spectre, though, to get it done.

RJL


I am taking a course entitled "Exploring Science Using Internet".
For our final project, we are to find a compendium of Internet resources
dealing with a science-related topic. I chose Astronomy. Anyway, I was
wondering if anyone out there knew of any interesting resources on Internet
that provide information on Astronomy, space, NASA, or anything like that.

THANKS!


I have the following PC games forsale.

Cyber Empire (VGA 3.5 disks)    $15
Prophecy of the Shadow (VGA 3.5)$15
Prince of Persia (VGA 5.25)     $15
Gunship 20000 (VGA 3.5)         $10
Global Conquest (EGA 5.25)      $10
Kings Quest V (VGA 5.25)        $10
Kings Quest IV (VGA 5.25)       $10
Ancient Art of War at Sea
	(EGA 3.5)               $10
Mech Warrior (VGA 5.25/3.5)     $10
Champions of Krynn (EGA 5.25)   $10
Test Drive III (VGA 3.5)        $15
Balance of Power (EGA 5.25)     $10
Leisure Suit Larry in the
   Land of the lounge lizards
  (VGA 3.5/5.25)                $10
Sentinel World I (EGA 5.25)     $10
The Bard's Tale I (EGA 5.25)    $10
SkyFox II (EGA 5.25)            $10
Bard's Tale II (EGA 5.25)       $10
Modem Wars (VGA 5.25)           $10
Hillsfar (EGA 5.25)             $10
Stunt Track Racer (EGA 5.25)    $10

	All of the games have original boxes and all instructions, manuals and copy protection devices.  Please respond by e-mail to jth@bach.udel.edu


No.  The Always IN-2000, among others requires no drivers for up to 7 SCSI
hard drives.  DOS does not have a 2 drive maximum, as I already have 3. All
is done in hardware, there's no software drivers at all.


Just for the record, read your owner's manual before attempting a push start.
Most manufacturers today do not recommend this (I think the catalytic converter
is the primary reason - unburned gas goes down to it and may ignite when
the converter gets into its operating range).

The best reason for a manual? Because you like to drive one. I find that its
much easier to develop lazy habits in an auto trans car. Remember, pay
attention out there - stupidity behind the wheel has still taken more people
to the morgue than drunk driving. The problem is that we don't revoke peoples
license for stupidity.


Hi all,
I have available to me a set of Metric wheels (came off a Mustang or T-Bird)
which are wearing nearly-bald Michelin TRX 220-55R390 tires.  The only place
I have found these tires is the Tire Rack mailorder place for $121 a pop.
Is there a cheaper source, or another manufacturer of this size tire?  Thanks
for any info...please E-Mail responses and I will post a summary if there is
any interest.

     JAS

JIM STRUGLIA   C465353@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU


Please research carefully.  Just because a fax modem behaves like
a printer on a "local" machine, doesn't guarantee functionality
when a "local" machine has fax software printing to a "remotely
installed" fax card.  I tried this with Workgroups and the
fax software didn't like it at all.  Could have been WinFAX's
peculiarisms but I don't think so.  A lot of special hardware
interaction takes place internally.  In my case, a FAX manager
program merely "intercepts" the print job and spools it to
it's own directory, not print manager's spool directory.  To
software, it appears the job was "printed".  Print Manager
plays NO part in the handling of the actual process.

Pardon me if I've incorrectly assumed this is what you were
up to.  A truely network-aware fax-modem will most likely be
required, or a lot of weird setup and tinkering.


So what's the story here... we're all stuck with the regular
green, red, and off yellow-orange LED's!?  What gives!!??
        Anybody have a 'scoop' on FAIRLY LOW PRICED >BLUE< LED's???

                        ... just out of curiosity, of course ...

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  Inspiration  |   ___                             |
  comes to     |  \   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |
  those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |
  seek the     |   /-\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |
  unknown.     |                                   |
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The Only directory I know of that lists commercial and non-commercial
widgets is the ICS Widget Data book.  ICS sells the widgets for various
prices.  There are also some public domain widgets in the delivery.

The ICS Widget databook is a subscription kind of thing, where
you pay some nominal fee, get a cd with the widgets and then you
can use the public domain widgets freely, and selectively activate
widgets which you want to purchase the right to use from them.
The nice thing about this is that you can purchase whole sets of widgets
such as those used in dataviews.  I dont know there pricing schemes
but It is often better to buy than to redevelop the more complex
widgets, especially if you only one customer to distribute to.

This is the extent that I know about them except that I got their
databook catalog  and it looked impressive (lots o' widgets there)

I dont work for ICS or have any widgets being sold by them.
hope this helps you.
--
Brian Dealy                |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at
dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov   |            | that's important,it's knowing
!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy   |            | where it's not at...  B.Dylan


(st) Stephen Tice
(km) Ken McVay

(st)Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed
(st)for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the

(km)Seems to be, barring evidence to the contrary, that Koresh was simply
(km)another deranged fanatic who thought it neccessary to take a whole bunch of
(km)folks with him, children and all, to satisfy his delusional mania. Jim
(km)Jones, circa 1993.

I think there's plenty of evidence to the contrary - six "rescued"
Davidians consistantly recounted that the Federal tank knocked over a barrel
of propane. These guys haven't exactly been spending time together,
plotting an elaborate and consistent story. It would be contradictory
for Koresh to go for "mass suicide" - remember that Koresh's death was
the opening of the sixth seal - the signal that Armageddon had begun.
His army (the people in the compound) would then fight the powers of
evil and win, ending in the Rapture. The fire wiped out his army. I
read earlier that Koresh was planning to walk out of the compound
and blow himself up with a grenade - that would jibe better with
his teachings.

(st)In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption.
(st)Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten?

(km)Nope - fruitcakes like Koresh have been demonstrating such evil corruption
(km)for centuries.

I'd think you'd be the last one to support gassing people and
burning them to death for their religious beliefs. Corrupt? Evil?
I don't know. We'll never know. And when you start calling people
fruitcakes about their religious beliefs, that's dehumanizing people.
We saw what happened when many Germans started believing that Jews
were subhuman.

In one neat stroke, they destroyed all the evidence that could have
pointed to wrongdoing. And killed all the witnesses, including 12
children whose last view of life was choking and pain, followed by
burning them alive.

I am extremely saddened that this tragedy occurred. I'm furious that
they used my money to do it.


I have a 486DX-33 ISA pc-compatible (Insight) with an Infotel internal
14.4FAX/14.4data modem with QuickLinkII for Windows.  When I first put the
modem in, I pulled a phone out of the jack in another room, and ran a phone
line extension to my surge protector and then my computer.  The modem
worked fine.  Then I split the line from the jack in the other room, ran
the line into my room into the surge protector and up to my computer.  Then
I got a regular phone and plugged that into the phone jack in the modem.
Now when I try to use the modem, QuickLinkII says "No dialtone".  The phone
plugged into the back of the computer works fine.  I tried unplugging the
phone, but still no dice.  Is it that the phone line was split too many
times?  (I don't understand how this could be a problem, since the phone
worked fine.)  Please note: none of the software or hardware parameters
were changed, only the phone line itself.  Is my new modem faulty?  What
can I do?


Yes, but no more than he is worth. :-).  Seriously: Jerome is merely
(and grandly) another Christian witness, to be taken for what he can
tell us.  He is one in the community of saints.  You seem to wish for
a greater polarization and dichotomy between Catholic and Protestant
thought than seems to me, from a historical perspective, to be valid.
To be sure, Rome rejects (some significant aspects of) Protestant
thought just as vehemently as Protestants reject (some significant
aspects of) Roman thought.  Other than some peoplw who apparently try
to embody the greatest extreme of this rejection, on either side, there
is not quite so vast a gulf fixed as casual observers seem to assume.

Ecumenical consultations between Rome and the Lutherans, as well as
those between Rome and the Anglican communion (to which I belong) show
very nearly complete convergence on understanding the basic theological
issues -- the sticking points tend to be ecclesiology and church polity.
Thus, for example, as you go on to say:

Many of us do not regard a papal decretal as having any necessary (as
opposed to political) significance.  Sometimes it will, sometimes it
won't.  You misread me if you think that my communion, at least, "throws
out" the deuterocanonical books.  Nor do I think you should overstress
the sense in which the more Reformed may do so.

I seriously suggest you rethink what you are saying here.  It verges on,
and could be taken as, anti-Semitic in the worst sense.  The "unbelieving"
Jews were, according to what I understand as a Christian, the chosen
people of God, and the recipients of His pre-Incarnational revelation.
I think they have some say in the matter.  The Javneh meeting should not
be over-interpreted.  A recent magisterial study titled _Mikra_ (I don't
have more citation information on hand, sorry) produced primarily from
the background of Christian (rather than specifically Jewish) scholarship
suggests strongly that the Javneh meeting mostly resolved a lingering
question, where in practice the canon had long been fixed on the basis
of the scrolls that were kept in the Temple, and thereby "made the hands
unclean" when used.  The list of "sacred books" that may be drawn up from
Josephus and other pre-Yavneh sources correspond (plus or minus one book,
if I rememeber the chapter correctly) to the current Jewish canon of Tanakh.

All of this is not to "throw out" the deuterocanonicals (what, by the way,
is YOUR position about the books the Greeks accept and Rome does not? :-))
-- just to observe that the issue is complex and simply binary judgment
does not do it justice.