Elias Davidsson writes...

ED> The following are quotations from Zionist leaders. They appear in
ED> numerous scholarly works dealing with the Palestine question. I urge those
ED> who have access to original sources, to verify the authenticity of the
ED> source and post here their finding, adhering to the truth whatever it be.

   It is your responsibility for posting quotes in context.  Your
   phony 'research center' is the source of the most unscholarly,
   out-of-context, agenda-ridden, and sophmoric propaganda that I
   have ever seen.  Don't believe me, folks?  Let's take a little
   stroll through a few of Elias Davidsson's contributions to our
   understanding of the middle east.

ED> Quotations from Zionist leaders

ED> 1. "There was no such thing as Palestinians"
ED> (Golda Meir, Prime Minister of Israel, London Sunday
ED> Times, 15 June 1969)

    And what do suggest that she meant by this?  Do you think she
    meant that the Palestinians don't exist?  Or does it actually
    mean that the people who self-identify as 'Palestinians,' did
    not appear to be a distinct ethnic group in the eyes of Golda
    Meir?

ED> 2. "There is, however, a difficulty from which the Zionist
ED> dares not avert his eyes, though he rarely likes to face it.
ED> Palestine proper has already its inhabitants."
ED> (Israel Zangwill, The Voice of Jerusalem, London 1920,
ED> p.88)

    When this was written, seventy three years ago, the people of
    the region were not all Jews.  They are not all Jews now.  No
    Jew but the most rabid bigot has ever called for an Israel to
    be ONLY for Jews.  That was true then.  It is true now.

ED> "[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs."
ED> (Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel in a speech to
ED> the Knesset,
ED> quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, 'Begin and the "Beasts", New
ED> Statesman, 25 June 1982)

    Since you inserted the words 'The Palestinians are' we cannot
    know what Begin was talking about.

    For someone who wants to embellish his own importance with an
    absurd pseudo-organizational name like the 'Center for Policy
    Research,' you are not a very honest person.

ED> "Both the process of expropriation [of the Palestinians]
ED> and the removal of the poor must be carried out
ED> discreetly and circumspectly".
ED> (Dr. Theodor Herzl, The Complete Diaries, Herzl Press,
ED> 1960, I., p.88)

    Herzl died eighty nine years ago.  Are you suggesting that he
    has stated what is Israel's policy today?  Have you ever seen
    Israel even entertain a policy to exclude non-Jews, let alone
    actually try to remove non-Jews from Israel?  If you actually
    believe that this quote has anything to do with Israel's non-
    Jewish citizenry today, you are an idiot.  But if you realize
    that Israel has no intention of removing non-Jewish Israelis,
    then you are nothing but a common liar.  This one time I will
    give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you are stupid.

ED> "We shall try to spirit the penniless population [the
ED> Palestinians] across the border by procuring employment
ED> for it in the transit countries, while denying it any
ED> employment in our own country"
ED> (Theodor Herzl, The Complete Diaries, Herzl Press, 1960,
ED> I, p.88)

    Once again you quote a man gone for almost a century.  You do
    so within the context of modern day Israel.

    Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.  How does this fact define the
    United States today?

ED> "[Jews] must expel Arabs and take their place"
ED> (David Ben Gurion, 1937, quoted in Shabtai Teveth, Ben
ED> Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press,
ED> 1985, p. 89)

    Did he say 'Jews,' or did you add this?

    This was also a statement from ten years before Israel became
    a state.  It has no bearing on Israel.

ED> "We must do everything to ensure they [the
ED> Palestinian refugees] never do return"
ED> (David Ben Gurion, in his diary, 19 July 1948, quoted in
ED> Michael Bar Zohar, Ben Gurion: The Armed Prophet,
ED> Prentice-Hall, 1967, p.157)

    YOU added the words 'the Palestinian refugees.'  And by doing
    so, you are misleading people into believing that Ben Gurion,
    who was expressing his hope that people who fled their lands,
    at the encouragement of people such as KING ABDULLAH, and the
    MUFTI OF JERUSALEM, was gloating over people abandoning their
    homes.  What he was refering to were the Arabs with whom Jews
    were at war.

ED> "The country was mostly an empty desert, with only
ED> a few islands of Arab settlement"
ED> (Shimon Peres, Minister of Defense, quoted in David's
ED> Sling: The Arming of Israel, Weidenfeld and Nicholson,
ED> 1970, p.249)

    At the time of the rebirth of Israel this was certainly true,
    especially when compared to what Israel has accomplished in a
    few short decades.

ED> "All this story about the danger of extermination [of
ED> Jews] has been blown up....to justify the annexation of
ED> new Arab territories"
ED> (Mordechai Bentov, Israeli Cabinet Minister, Al
ED> Hamishmar, 14 April 1972)

    Since Israel has not annexed even one millimeter of territory
    in more twenty six years, this quote is irrelevant.

ED> "Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can
ED> disqualify terrorism as a means of combat"
ED> (Yitzhak Shamir, Hehazit, Summer 1943 [Journal of the
ED> LEHI, the Stern Gang], translated from the Israeli daily
ED> Al-Hamishmar, 24 December 1987

    Again, you are quoting a man who was fighting for what he had
    been promised from a time as ancient as biblical, to the time
    of the Balfour Declaration, just a few short years back.  And
    what was thought of and described as terrorism by Jews didn't
    include slaughtering Olympic athletes, brutally murdering the
    innocent, attacking school buses, and murdering another human
    being for the sole reason that he or she is an Arab.

ED> "The domination of Jewish agriculture by Arab
ED> workers is a cancer in our body"
ED> (A. Uzan, Israeli Minister of Agriculture, Ha'aretz, 13
ED> December 1974)

    There were serious concerns about a work force that consisted
    of people from OUTSIDE Israel.  It is a wise to be concerned.
    A work force consisting of foreigners is not a good situation
    for a country.

ED> "There can be only one national home in Palestine,
ED> and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership
ED> between Jews and Arabs"
ED> (Montague David Eder, President of the Zionist
ED> Federation of Great Britain, 1931,
ED> in Doreen Ingrams, comp., Palestine Papers 1917-1922,
ED> Seeds of Conflict, George Braziller, 1973, p. 135)

    This also has no meaning for a country formed seventeen years
    after this statement was made.  Obviously times change.  This
    is NOT what Israel is about today.  I believe the peace talks
    make this quote irrelevant.

ED> "There is not a single Jewish village in this country
ED> that has not been built on the site of an Arab village"
ED> (Moshe Dayan, Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969...)

    This is completely false.

ED> "Some people talk of expelling 700,000 to 800,000
ED> Arabs in the event of a new war, and instruments have
ED> been prepared"
ED> (Aharon Yariv, former chief of Israeli military
ED> intelligence, 1980, Inquiry, 8 December 1980)

    Expelled from where?  Israel?  The occupied territories?  New
    Jersey?  Is there any way we can read this and get an idea as
    to what on earth he was talking about.  Obviously not.

ED> "We should there [in Palestine] form a portion of the
ED> rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization
ED> as opposed to barbarism."
ED> (Dr. Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State, London, 1896, p.
ED> 29)

    Interesting notion.  Considering that this was written nearly
    a century ago, it is quite visionary.

ED> "I deeply believe in launching preventive war
ED> against the Arab States without further hesitation. By
ED> doing so we will achieve two targets: firstly, the
ED> annihilation of Arab power; and secondly, the expansion
ED> of our territory"
ED> (Menachem Begin, in a speech to the Knesset, 12 October
ED> 1955)

    This was said nearly forty years ago.  Begin is dead.  And it
    should be obvious to anybody that if Israel was expansionist,
    it would have ANNEXED the occupied territories right after it
    captured them.  Israel would not be negotiating to get rid of
    them.

ED> "During the last 100 years our people have been in a
ED> process of building up the country and the nation, of
ED> expansion, of getting additional Jews and additional
ED> settlements in order to expand the borders here. Let no
ED> Jew say that the process has ended. Let no Jew say that
ED> we are near the end of the road."
ED> (Moshe Dayan, Ma'ariv, 7 July 1968)

    He's dead, too.  And since Israel has not annexed ANY land at
    all since 1967, you are once again wasting bandwidth with all
    of these misleading quotes.  They are so out of sync with the
    reality of Israel, that you do nothing but make yourself look
    like a fanatic desperate to sway people, by misleading them.

ED> "Let us not today fling accusations at the [Palestinian
ED> Arab] murderers. Who are we that we should argue
ED> against their hatred ? For eight years now they sit in
ED> their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their very eyes,
ED> we turn into our homestead the land and the villages in
ED> which they and their forefathers have lived. We are a
ED> generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and
ED> the cannon we cannot plant a tree and build a home. Let
ED> us not shrink back when we see the hatred fermenting
ED> and filling the lives of hundreds of thousands of Arabs,
ED> who sit all around us. Let us not avert our gaze, so that
ED> our hand shall not slip. This is the fate of our generation,
ED> the choice of our life - to be prepared and armed, strong
ED> and tough - or otherwise, the sword will slip from our
ED> first, and our life will be snuffed out."
ED> (Moshe Dayan, eulogy of Roy Rutenberg at Kibbutz Nahal
ED> Oz, 1956, quoted in Uri Avneri, Israel without Zionists,
Collier Books, Macmillan, New York, 1971, p.154)

    Interesting quote.  It's true that we should never lose sight
    of the plight of these people.  We should also recognize that
    this quote preceded the disgusting wave of Arab terrorism and
    violence directed at innocent people, that began in 1972 with
    the massacre of the Israeli athletes in Munich, and continues
    to this day.


---
Hello!

We want to configure our X11R5 sytem (i486 33Mhz running BSD-like UNIX)
comming up with a chooser menu with different machines on it (works) an then
connect to them. But the only connection works is localhost!
An 'X -indirect <machine>' works very well!
The configuration:

		- starting the 'xdm' at boot time with no servers specified
		   in Xservers
		- starting the X-server at boot time with X -indirect localhost

	     ---> the chooser menu appears with the machines named in
		  Xacces bye
			'*	CHOOSER <machine1> <machine2> ... BROADCAST
		- the number of users on this machines and the load is
		    displayed correct

		- selecting an other machine than my own host the X-server
		   starts and nothing happens, after a time out the CHOOSER menu
		   appears again.

I know the xdm bug in X11R4, but all machines running X11R5

Please help
			Lars

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Some articles on the topic:

RTw  12/23 0859  GULF ARABS DEMAND IRAN WITHDRAWAL FROM ISLANDS

 (Eds: updates with end of summit details, quotes)
    By Youssef Azmeh
    ABU DHABI, Dec 23, Reuter - Gulf Arab states, emerging from a summit
that restored
their unity after almost three months of crisis, piled pressure on Iran
on Wednesday to
reverse its virtual annexation of a strategic Gulf island.
    They issued a statement after a three-day Gulf Cooperation Council
summit saying Iran
had to show proof of its good neighbourly intentions by rescinding
measures that "rocked
Gulf stability and security."
    The leaders avoided the anti-Iranian rhetoric of recent statements
by Egypt, which
engineered a last minute settlement of a border row between Saudi Arabia
and Qatar that
allowed all members to attend the summit.
    Egypt said its fears about Iranian intentions in the region and
Tehran's alleged
encouragement of Moslem fundamentalist unrest were largely behind
President Hosni
Mubarak's mediation.
    The GCC statement stressed that developing relations between the
Gulf Arab states and
Iran "is linked to enhacing confidence and to measures Iran might take
in line with its
commitment to the principle of good neighbourliness and the respect of
the sovreignty and
territorial integrity of the region's states."
    It denounced Iran's measures on the island of Abu Musa, which it
shares with the
United Arab Emirates, and the continued occupation of the Greater and
Lesser Tumbs
islands.
    Iran earlier this year extended its control over Abu Musa beyond a
small garrison it
established there in 1971 under an agreement with the UAE emirate of Sharjah.
    It has since rescinded orders expelling foreigners who worked on the
island for the
UAE government. But diplomats say it continues to exercise its authority
over the whole
island, which the UAE sess as as virtual annexation.
    The Tumbs were occupied by the former Shah of Iran in 1971 and the
UAE has since the
Abu Musa crisis erupted insisted that they have to be returned as part
of a general
settlement.
    The GCC leaders called on the U.N. to maintain sanctions against
Iraq for not fully
implementing Security Council resolutions following its 1990 invasion of
Kuwait.
    They endorsed once again the "Damascus Declaration," a pact signed
with Egypt and
Syria after their troops took part in the U.S. led alliance that drove
Iraqi troops out of
Kuwait.
    But delegates said the leaders were unable to agree the details of a
fund they
announced they would create at their last summit in Kuwait last year
which would have
helped Egypt's and Syria's economic development programme.
    They said the leaders could not agree on a breakdown of
contributions from each state
although the total amount had been scaled down to $6 billion from the
$10 billion agreed
last year.
    The fact that the leaders of all GCC states -- Saudi Arabia,
Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and
Qatar -- attended the summit was seen as a major achievement although
their unity was only
maintained with outside help.
    Most delegations were not too worried for the moment about the slow
progress of the
conservative rulers discussions on a future security structure for the
region that boasts
the bulk of global oil and gas reserves.
    The leaders were unable to choose between two proposals.
    One put forward by a summit committee headed by Oman's Sultan Qaboos
to create a
100,000-man rapid deployment force that could rush to defend any member
against external
aggression, such as Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
    Another was a Saudi-supported plan to expand the existing 10,000-man
"Peninsula
Shield" force which had so far played a largely symbolic role and is
commanded by a Saudi
general.
    Little headway was made on plans for a reginal common market
although the summit
called for concrete proposals to be submitted to next year's summit due
to be held in
Saudi Arabia next December.
 REUTER YA DYA DJG

RTw  12/23 0835  GULF LEADERS END SUMMIT

    ABU DHABI, Dec 23, Reuter - Gulf Arab states ended a three-day
annual summit on
Wednesday with an appeal to Iran to end its occupation of three
strategic Gulf islands as
a condition for restoring friendly ties across the Gulf.
    A joint statement issued after the summit, marked by relief over the
settlement of a
row between two Gulf Cooperation Council members, also called for
continued U.N. sanctions
against Iraq.
    It said Baghdad had failed to implement key Security Council
decisions following the
expulsion of its troops from Kuwait early last year.
    The summit broke no new ground on steps to achieve a Gulf common
market, but called on
officials to present a plan for common external tarrifs for all six
members to the next
summit which will be held in Saudi Arabia in December 1993.
    The statement stressed that developing relations between the Gulf
Arab states and Iran
"is linked to enhacing confidence and to measures Iran might take in
line with its
commitment to the principle of good neighbourliness and the respect of
the sovreignty and
territorial integrity of the region's states."
    It denounced Iran's measures on the island of Abu Musa, which it
shares with the
United Arab Emirates, and the continued occupation of the smaller
islands, the Greater and
Lesser Tumbs.
    It expressed deep regret and extreme concern for the unjustified
Iranian measures
which contradict a proclaimed wish to develop relations and called on
Iran to rescind
those measures and end the occupation which it said was "shaking peace
and stability in
the area."
    Iran earlier this year extended its control over Abu Musa beyond a
small garrison it
established there in 1971 under an agreement with the UAE emirate of Sharjah.
    It has since rescinded orders expelling foreigners who worked on the
island for the
UAE government but diplomats in the region say that its security forces
continue to
exercise their authority over the whole island.
    The UAE has seen this as virtual annexation.
    The Tumbs were occupied by the former Shah of Iran in 1971 and the
UAE has since the
Abu Musa crisis erupted insisted that they have to be returned as part
of a general
settlement.
 REUTER YA DYA DJG

RTw  12/26 1441  IRAN HINTS IT READY TO GO TO WAR OVER ISLANDS

 (Eds: updates with SNSC statement)
    NICOSIA, Dec 26, Reuter - Iran told its Gulf Arab neighbours on
Saturday it was ready
to defend militarily three disputed islands, reminding them of its
eight-year war with
Iraq.
    "Our eight-year defence (in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war) has proved to
the world that
our brave nation will never hesitate to defend the sovereignty and
safeguard the
territorial integrity of Iran," Iran's Supreme National Security Council
(SNSC) said.
    A meeting of the heads of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council
voiced full support
on Wednesday for the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in its dispute with Iran
over the Gulf
islands of Abu Musa, Greater Tumb and Lesser Tumb.
    The move has triggered strong Iranian criticism and warnings.
Besides the UAE, the GCC
also groups Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
    Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who chaired the SNSC's
meeting on
Saturday, said during his Friday prayer sermon at Tehran University:
"Iran is surely
stronger than the likes of you. To reach these islands one has to cross
a sea of blood."
    The SNSC, quoted by the official Iranian news agency IRNA received
in Cyprus, also
criticised the GCC and described its support of the UAE as "irresponsible."
   "No country will ever be able to covet even an inch of Iranian soil,"
said the SNSC.
    Earlier on Saturday, the English language Tehran Times, believed to
be close to the
Foreign Ministry, said the UAE should be aware that Iran's
self-restraint had certain
limits.
    It dismissed a UAE claim to the islands as unfounded and said a 1971
agreement to
share Abu Musa with the UAE emirate of Sharjah still applied.
    "The idea of Abu Dhabi officials that Tehran would always refrain
from responding to
the blows inflicted by them was "childish," Tehran Times said.
    IRNA said the newspaper was commenting on the GCC statement which
urged Iran to
reverse what it says is the annexation of Abu Musa island and to pull
out of the two other
islands.
    Iran says the islands near the entrance to the Gulf have
historically belonged to it.
The dispute flared this year after Iran tightened its control over Abu Musa.
 REUTER AF JCH

RTw  12/28 1011  TEHRAN PAPER WANTS IRAN REVIVE CLAIM TO BAHRAIN


Exactly my point.  If you'd watch games more closely, you'd see a lot
of goons going after him.  Ulf is one of the main reasons why less physical
players for Pgh are left alone.  Ulf plays rough hockey, but only when
other players are putting the rush on Mario or Jagr.  If you want to say anyone
on the Penguins is a cheap shot or a goon, say it's Jennings or Caufield.  Don'tslander a good defenseman because your favorite players can't beat the Pens
even when they take dives (like Gartner) to try for the cheap penalties.

Hey, that's fine!  If a player does something stupid, he should be penalized
including Ulf.  Or Mario (you're not likely to see that happen) or anyone else for that matter.  It's pointless to say any one person is a cheap-shot goon,     because you'll see EVERYONE take a cheap shot now and then, especially if you'resomeone who is shadowed as much as Ulf is.


Well, Dave, I would have to disagree with you there.  Satan himself could
own the team, and I'd be happy as long as the Oilers stayed in Edmonton.
Selfish, but true.  I don't want to see the Oilers move, no matter who
their owner is.


       Cute word angst.  Conveys volumes.

       I'd be interested in this particular definition of "we."  It's
such a fluid pronoun.

       The BD were a paranoid little cult out in the middle of nowhere,
which all of a sudden had their worst paranoid fears reinforced.

       Joy.

       Yes, they probably should have, although how many paranoid
nuts can say they held off the feds for 51 days?

        The voting booth is highly over-rated.  People need to get up
off their lazy butts more than every year or every two years.  Hell,
most don't even do that.

        No, because "we" have decided that it doesn't make enough
difference to "us" to get up and do something.  That's something,
for instance, a lot of people who go speak against gun control
bills at their local government.  Dozens of "pro-gun" speakers
show up and few if any antis do, but  they often win anyway.

        Why?  Because it doesn't matter who shows up, it matters
who's willing to scream afterwards.  And it isn't that most people
give a damn one way of the other, but that they don't.  Nobody
gives a damn about anybody beyond their own little worlds.

       The general public's usually not even read the constitution.
And what they have learned is a distorted picture of the whole thing.


I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (3.1), trying to resond to the left button
double click message WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK in a combo box. My codes look like:

class MyComboBox : public TComboBox
{
public:
	MyComboBox(PTWindowsObject AParent, int ResourceId, WORD ATextLen) :
		TComboBox(AParent, ResourceId, ATextLen) {};
	virtual void WMLButtonDblClk(RTMessage Msg) = [WM_FIRST + WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK];
};

void MyComboBox::WMLButtonDblClk(RTMessage Msg)
{
	...	// responding to the message (selecting the item in the list box)
}

Anything wrong with my program? Any help would be appreciated.


I have posted DISP140.ZIP to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities.
I will upload this package to SIMTEL20 later.

******   You may distribute this program freely for non-commercial use
         if no fee is gained.
******   There is no warranty. The author is not responsible for any
         damage caused by this program.

Important changes since Version 1.35:
  Added support for IRIS.
  Support Mix/Concat. two images.
  Added support for 'batch conversion'.
  Added support for 'load/save palette table'.
  Added support for 'edge enhance'.
  Added support for 'crop one line'.
  Added support for 'negate image'.
  New color quantization option.
  Fix some minor bugs.

(1) Introduction:
  This program can let you READ, WRITE and DISPLAY images with different
  formats. It also let you do some special effects(ROTATION, DITHERING ....)
  on image. Its main purpose is to let you convert image among different
  formts.
  Include simple file management system.
  Support 'slide show'.
+ Support 'batch conversion'.
  There is NO LIMIT on image size.
  Currently this program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display.
  If you want to use HiColor or TrueColor, you must have VESA driver.
  If you want to modify video driver, please read section (8).

(2) Hardware Requirement:
  PC 386 or better. MSDOS 3.3 or higher.
  min amount of ram is 4M bytes(Maybe less memory will also work).
  (I recommend min 8M bytes for better performance).
  Hard disk for swapping(virtual memory).

  The following description is borrowed from DJGPP.

  Supported Wares:

  * Up to 128M of extended memory (expanded under VCPI)
  * Up to 128M of disk space used for swapping
  * SuperVGA 256-color mode up to 1024x768
  * 80387
  * XMS & VDISK memory allocation strategies
  * VCPI programs, such as QEMM, DESQview, and 386MAX

  Unsupported:

  * DPMI
  * Microsoft Windows

  Features: 80387 emulator, 32-bit unix-ish environment, flat memory
  model, SVGA graphics.

(3) Installation:
  Video drivers, emu387 and go32.exe are borrowed from DJGPP.
  (If you use Western Digital VGA chips, read readme.wd)
  (This GO32.EXE is a modified version for vesa and is COMPLETELY compatible
   with original version)
  *** But some people report that this go32.exe is not compatible with
      other DJGPP programs in their system. If you encounter this problem,
      DON'T put go32.exe within search path.

  *** Please read runme.bat for how to run this program.

  If you choose xxxxx.grn as video driver, add 'nc 256' to environment
    GO32.

  For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grn nc 256

  If you don't have 80x87, add 'emu x:/xxxxx/emu387' to environment GO32.

  For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grd emu x:/xxxxx/emu387

  **** Notes: 1. I only test tr8900.grn, et4000.grn and vesa.grn.
                 Other drivers are not tested.
              2. I have modified et4000.grn to support 8, 15, 16, 24 bits
                 display. You don't need to use vesa driver.
                 If et4000.grn doesn't work, please try vesa.grn.
              3. For those who want to use HiColor or TrueColor display,
                 please use vesa.grn(except et4000 users).
                 You can find vesa BIOS driver from :
                   wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/graphics
                   godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au: /kjb/MGL

(4) Command Line Switch:

    Usage : display [-d|--display initial_display_type]
                    [-s|--sort sort_method]
                    [-h|-?]

    Display type: 8(SVGA,default), 15, 16(HiColor), 24(TrueColor)
    Sort method: 'name', 'ext'

(5) Function Key:

    F2 : Change disk drive.

    CTRL-A -- CTRL-Z : change disk drive.

    F3 : Change filename mask. (See match.doc)

    F4 : Change parameters.

    F5 : Some effects on picture, eg. flip, rotate ....

    F7 : Make Directory.

    t : Tag file.

    + : Tag group files. (See match.doc)

    T : Tag all files.

    u : Untag file.

    - : Untag group files. (See match.doc)

    U : Untag all files.

    Ins : Change display type (8,15,16,24) in 'read' & 'screen' menu.

    F6,m,M : Move file(s).

+   ALT-M : Move single file(ignore tag).

    F8,d,D : Delete file(s).

+   ALT-D : Delete single file(ignore tag).

    r,R : Rename file.

    c,C : Copy File(s).

+   ALT-C : Copy single file(ignore tag).

    z,Z : Display first 10 bytes in Ascii, Hex and Dec modes.

    f,F : Display disk free space.

    Page Up/Down : Move one page.

    TAB : Change processing target.

    Arrow keys, Home, End, Page Up, Page Down: Scroll image.
      Home: Left Most.
      End: Right Most.
      Page Up: Top Most.
      Page Down: Bottom Most.
      in 'screen' & 'effect' menu :
        Left,Right arrow: Change display type(8, 15, 16, 24 bits).

+   CTRL-Arrow keys : Crop image by one line(in graphics mode).

    s,S : Slide Show(show tagged files). ESCAPE to terminate.

+   b,B : Batch conversion(convert tagged files to single format).

+   w,W : Wait/Pause in slide show.

    ALT-X : Quit program without prompting.

    ALT-A : Reread directory.

    Escape : Abort function and return.

(6) Support Format:

  Read: GIF(.gif), Japan MAG(.mag), Japan PIC(.pic), Sun Raster(.ras),
        Jpeg(.jpg), XBM(.xbm), Utah RLE(.rle), PBM(.pbm), PGM(.pgm),
        PPM(.ppm), PM(.pm), PCX(.pcx), Japan MKI(.mki), Tiff(.tif),
        Targa(.tga), XPM(.xpm), Mac Paint(.mac), GEM/IMG(.img),
        IFF/ILBM(.lbm), Window BMP(.bmp), QRT ray tracing(.qrt),
        Mac PICT(.pct), VIS(.vis), PDS(.pds), VIKING(.vik), VICAR(.vic),
+       FITS(.fit), Usenix FACE(.fac), IRIS(.sgi).

        the extensions in () are standard extensions.

  Write: GIF, Sun Raster, Jpeg, XBM, PBM, PGM, PPM, PM, Tiff, Targa,
         XPM, Mac Paint, Ascii, Laser Jet, IFF/ILBM, Window BMP,
+        Mac PICT, VIS, FITS, FACE, PCX, GEM/IMG, IRIS.

  All Read/Write support full color(8 bits), grey scale, b/w dither,
      and 24 bits image, if allowed for that format.

(7) Detail:

   Initialization:
      Set default display type to highest display type.
      Find allowable screen resolution(for .grn video driver only).

   1. When you run this program, you will enter 'read' menu. Whthin this
      menu you can press any function key. If you move or copy
      files, you will enter 'write' menu. the 'write' menu is much like
      'read' menu, but only allow you to change directory.
      The header line in 'read' menu includes "(d:xx,f:xx,t:xx)".
        d : display type. f: number of files. t: number of tagged files.
      pressing SPACE in 'read' menu will let you select which format to use
        for reading current file.
      pressing RETURN in 'read' menu will let you reading current file. This
        program will automatically determine which format this file is.
        The procedure is: First, check magic number. If fail, check
        standard extension. Still fail, report error.
      pressing s or S in 'read' menu will do 'Slide Show'.
        If delay time is 0, program will wait until you hit a key
          (except ESCAPE).
        If any error occurs, program will make a beep.
+       'w' or 'W' to pause, any key to continue.
        ESCAPE to terminate.
      pressing Ins in 'read' menu will change display type.
      pressing ALT-X in 'read' menu will quit program without prompting.
+     pressing F5 will turn on 'effect' menu.

   2. Once image file is successfully read, you will enter 'screen' menu.
      You can do special effect on image.
      pressing RETURN: show image.
        in graphic mode, press RETURN, SPACE or ESCAPE to return to text
        mode.
      pressing TAB: change processing target. This program allows you to do
        special effects on 8-bit or 24-bit image.
      pressing Left,Right arrow: change display type. 8, 15, 16, 24 bits.
      pressing SPACE: save current image to file.
        B/W Dither: save as black/white image(1 bit).
        Grey Scale: save as grey image(8 bits).
        Full Color: save as color image(8 bits).
        True Color: save as 24-bit image.

        This program will ask you some questions if you want to write image
        to file. Some questions are format-dependent. Finally This program
        will prompt you a filename. If you want to save file under another
        directory other than current directory, please press SPACE. after
        pressing SPACE, you will enter 'write2' menu. You can change
        directory to what you want. Then,

        pressing SPACE: this program will prompt you 'original' filename.
        pressing RETURN: this program will prompt you 'selected' filename
                      (filename under bar).

  3. This program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display.

  4. This Program is MEMORY GREEDY. If you don't have enough memory,
     the performance is poor.

  5. If you want to save 8 bits image :
       try GIF then TIFF(LZW) then TARGA then Sun Raster then BMP then ...

     If you want to save 24 bits image (lossless):
       try TIFF(LZW) or TARGA or ILBM or Sun Raster
       (No one is better for true 24bits image)

  6. I recommend Jpeg for storing 24 bits images, even 8 bits images.

  7. Not all subroutines are fully tested

  8. This document is not well written. If you have any PROBLEM, SUGGESTION,
     COMMENT about this program,
     Please send to u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.11.13).
     I need your suggestion to improve this program.
     (There is NO anonymous ftp on this site)

(8) Tech. information:
  Program (user interface and some subroutines) written by Jih-Shin Ho.
  Some subroutines are borrowed from XV(2.21) and PBMPLUS(dec 91).
  Tiff(V3.2) and Jpeg(V4) reading/writing are through public domain
    libraries.
  Compiled with DJGPP.
  You can get whole DJGPP package from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites.
    For example, wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/djgpp

(9) For Thoese who want to modify video driver:
   1. get GRX source code from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites.
   2. For HiColor and TrueColor:
        15 bits : # of colors is set to 32768.
        16 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc010.
        24 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc018.

Acknowledgment:
  I would like to thank the authors of XV and PBMPLUS for their permission
    to let me use their subroutines.
  Also I will thank the authors who write Tiff and Jpeg libraries.
  Thank DJ. Without DJGPP I can't do any thing on PC.


IMHO this is the most untrustworthy, silly stat, by today's rules, in all
of baseball.  My understanding is to qualify as a save a pitcher cannot
pitch more than three innings and the potential tying run must at least
appear in the on-deck circle.  Also, the lead a pitcher enters with cannot
excede three runs.

I believe that the official scorers must assert more of their authority in
determining winners/savers/etc.  For instance, a pitcher can come in in the
ninth with a lead, blow the lead, fall behind, have his team come back in
the next half inning and earn the win.  Has this pitcher earned a win, no
way.

I guy could pitch five strong innings of middle relief and see his
teammates rally to tie the score.  Assume he came in to start the fourth
and left after the eighth.  His teammate holds the opposition scoreless in
the ninth and they score a run in the bottom of the ninth to win.  The
third pitcher earns the win and the middle reliever gets no "stat"
satisfaction.

Mike


Well, for one thing most, if not all the Dividians (depending on whether
they could show they acted in self-defense and there were no illegal
weapons), could have gone on with their life as they were living it.
No one was forcing them to give up their religion or even their
legal weapons. The Dividians had survived a change in leadership
before so even if Koresch himself would have been convicted and
sent to jail, they still could have carried on.

I don't think the Dividians were insane, but I don't see a reason
for mass suicide (if the fire was intentional set by some of the
Dividians.) We also don't know that, if the fire was intentionally
set from inside, was it a generally know plan or was this something
only an inner circle knew about, or was it something two or three
felt they had to do with or without Koresch's knowledge/blessing, etc.?
I don't know much about Masada. Were some people throwing others over?
Did mothers jump over with their babies in their arms?


Unable to stand the pain anymore, my wife bought the Corbin Gunfighter
and Lady with Passenger Backrest for my Hawk GT.

It came with no instructions, but it came 2 weeks earlier than they
said it would.  Installation would have been very easy, but the seat
fastening hardware was apparently always on the wrong sides with
the stock seat!  It never was easy to put on.  Once I figured that
out, the new seat went on the first try.  The passenger backrest, though,
does not fit as I thought it might.  The supplied screw to set the
backrest angle does not fit, and I have not yet found a suitable,
hard, ( SAE grade 8, or perhaps 5 ) 1/4-20 bolt that fits.  There is a
a soft bolt in there now -- just don't lean back.

The driver's section of the seat is a bit wider.  Seems comfortable
enough, but then again I put about 5000 miles on the stock seat
without a thought.  The passenger's section has about 8 times the
volume of foam that the stock seat has, and from my short test it
seems much more comfortable.  The backrest helps a bit, but I've not
has enough time to really test it.  The backrest also comes with a
small pocket.  Its now more difficult to swing my leg up over the
10" taller seat.

If I go on the three-notch ride soon ( Dixville, Pinkham & Smugglers),
I'll give a more complete report, but in general it seems like an
improvement.


Wow, this is news to me---it started in Tarsus--you know, where Paul
of NT fame was from.  Not to be nasty, but get a clue, read
_The Orgins of the Mithraic Mysteries_ by DUlansey!

Hey hasn't anyone read Manly P Hall's works?  Perhaps it might be
worth a try....


	  -- Also: more customizable. I can make the computer do what *I* want it to do,
Whereas with MSW I have to do what microsoft wants me to do...
How do I bind control-left mousebutton to type 'hello world!' (Not that I'd want to do THAT, but..)


For sale:

1981 Oldsmobile Omega four door.  Gray, power windows, power steering,
power brakes, remote trunk release.  Starts reliably and runs well,
but needs some work.  $400 obo.

For details, email or (708)864-0526.
--
Michael A. Atkinson    | There is no try, there is only Dew.
asbestos@nwu.edu       |


Has anyone else observed this behaviour and if so, what have you
done to cure it?

One workstation in a WfW network goes deaf to any form of communication from
other workstations until it goes out on the network itself. From then on other
workstatons can interact with it until some time later when it goes deaf
again.


Murderous, huh?  Yeah, there was all sorts of carnage going on there in
the 60 YEARS they were there -- BEFORE the government assaulted them.
Oh, I forgot -- you probably consider self-defense as murder.

Damn right.  This is not a partisan thing; it's about individual
liberties -- the right of a citizen to be left the hell alone.

That's another indication that you don't understand the issue.

"Our appropriations are coming up soon.  We need a good PR boost.  Let's
find a socially unpopular group who happen to have a lot of guns, go in
like gangbusters, be heros, and have the local media get it all on video
tape.  Then we won't have to worry about our budget until next year."

Why don't you knit one to match his jogging outfit?
--


What is "SO" supposed to signify?  I prefer the companionship of a
person, not a euphemism.

Thankfully, you got the gender right.  For I am not a deviant.

Sexual deviants do not comprise a "political minorit[y]".

I only associate with girls who do indeed have self-respect.  But were
I to find myself with the sort who would be inclined to head out the
door on account of my views regarding the aberrant behavior known as
"homosexuality", I would encourage her to indeed do so, and I would
further advise her not to let the door whack her on the backside on
the way out.  Who needs such an airhead?

Oh, I can't do anything _BUT_ count on it.  After all, it is
inevitable, for it is part of the natural order of things.  Throughout
history, nature has always asserted itself.  Don't be so arrogant as
to assume that this foolish and misguided generation can change the
nature of man where practically every other generation has failed.
Greater men than you haven't been able to do this.  The above _MOST_
_CERTAINLY_ _WILL_ happen, no matter how much you may wish to pretend
otherwise.

Moreover, I'm not your "sweetheart".


Hello:
	can anybody help me to find a program that converts a format named
	"raw" (also known as "img") to the "gif" format or "jpeg" one.
	It's desirable to be for a unix machine than for a PC.

	(
	"Raw" format of a N*N image is a file that contain a tail of
	N*N characters, each one referencing to the k*N+j pixel of the
	monocrome image, where k and j lies between 0 and N-1.
	).


Can you help me to understand how a CardPhone operates and
how the values are stored on the phonecard..


I think the only thing to watch for is the number of attachment
straps.  Most come with 3 and some with 4, I have a Bagman 4 strap
tankbag and because the rear of the tank is so narrow the fit
is not optimal.


[Sorry if I posted this to the wrong place, wasn't sure where this
should go...]

Model PS6600 - 64K memory, storage for telephone numbers, addresses,
memos, schedule, calendar, calculator.  Password protection, 6 line
display, full keyboard, 32 characters per line.  Search through all data
storage areas for keywords, transmit to or receive entries via IBM
compatible computers with optional interface kit.  Uses 2 AAA batteries,
and 1 lithium battery for backup.  Also has world time, sound, still has
1 year Service Merchandise warranty left, with manual.  Sells new for
$90, asking $65 (shipping included).


Good - now let's look at those sections.  They'll prove my point.

Note that this doesn't affect all concealed carry.  (Look after the
word "except".)  It always helps to read the law before commenting on
it.

Would a prudent storekeeper carry concealed?  How about someone at
home?  Note that both are legal, and a lot of "common" people qualify
for one or the other.

-andy


They _finally_ started going to the net!  See what happens when you
create some traffic?  Muller deserves full marks (what a player!),
and Damphousse finally started skating.  Roy (thankyouthankyouthankyou)
was excellent.  Did you see that third period save on Young?  And the
defense was taking out Quebec players in the zone.

Anybody else wonder if Hextall will feel like a dweeb when he finds
out that the winning goal went in off his own D-man's skate?  Whatta
suck.  Although he _is_ playing really well.

Sure it does.  On Sunday when the B's are golfing and the Habs are tied
2-2 you'll see what I mean! :-) :-)


Giday netters!  Just got a used Newlife 25 accelerator, with FPU, and i
was wondering about a few points.
-Anyone know the current driver version for it??
-Can it handle the 16-bit grayscale card, if i get the video option
-Why would it be hating my hard drive?(can't use the accelerator and
	hard drive at the same time). Do i need a new driver on my drive?
	What make?
-Thanks,
	Jason


You hadn't made that clear; I'm glad to have it clarified! So you're
a (physical) objectivist, after all, right?

Wavicle! Next question? ;-)
--
Mark Pundurs


I've just started messing with X Windows under Linux, and I've run into this
"-<toolkit options>" thing in the man-pages of a number of X clients.

Where can I get a list of these options?  Is this only an "xview" thing?
(If so, would some kind soul show me how to set it up under Linux?)


It troubles me that there have been so many posts recently trying to support
the doctrine of Original Sin.  This is primarily a Catholic doctrine, with no
other purpose than to defend the idea of infant baptism.  Even among, its
supporters, however, people will stop short of saying that unbaptised infants
will go to hell.

It's very easy for just about anyone to come up with a partial list of
scripture to support any sort of wrong doctrine.  However, if we have the
heart to persevere in our beliefs to make sure that they are biblically
based, then we can come to an understanding of the truth.  Let's now take a
more complete look at scripture.

Colossians 2:11-12 "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of
the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by Christ, having been
buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the
power of God, who raised him from the dead."

In baptism, we are raised to a new life in Christ (Romans 6:4) through a
personal faith in the power of God.  Our parent's faith cannot do this.  Do
infants have faith?  Let's look at what the Bible has to say about it.

Romans 10:16-17 "But not all the Israelites accepted the good news.  For
Isaiah says, 'Lord, who has believed our message?'  Consequently, faith
comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word
of Christ."

So then we receive God's gift of faith to us as we hear the message of the
gospel.  Faith is a possible response to hearing God's word preached.  Kids
are not yet spiritually, intellectually, or emotionally mature enough to
respond to God's word.  Hence they cannot have faith and therefore cannot
be raised in baptism to a new life.

Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul who sins will die.  The son will not share the
guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.  The
righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him."

If you read all of Ezekiel 18, you will see that God doesn't hold us guilty
for anyone else's sins.  So we can have no original guilt from Adam.

Ezekiel 18:31-32 "Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committted,
and get a new heart and a new spirit.  Why will you die, O house of Israel?
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord.
Repent and live!"

The way to please God is to repent and get a new heart and spirit.  Kids
cannot do this.  Acts 2:38-39 says that when we repent and are baptized, we
will then receive a new spirit, the Holy Spirit.  Then we shall live.

Now then that we have a little more background as to why original sin is
not Biblical, let's look at some of the scriptures used to support it.

Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and
death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all
sinned--"

Sin and death entered the world when the first man sinned.  Death came to
each man because each man sinned.  Note that it's good to read through all
of Romans 5:12-21.  Some of the verses are easier to misunderstand than
others, but if we read them in context we will see that they are all
saying basically the same thing.  Let's look at one such.

Romans 5:19 "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many
were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many
will be made righteous."

Through the disobedience of each individual, each was made a sinner.  In
the same way, through the obedience of Jesus, each will be made righteous.
We must remember when reading through this passage that death came to each
man only because each man sinned, not because of guilt from Adam.
Otherwise the Bible would contradict itself.  I encourage you to read
through this whole passage on your own, looking at it from this point of
view to see if it doesn't all fit together.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother
conceived me."

This whole Psalm is a wonderful example of how we should humble ourselves
before God in repentance for sinning.  David himself was a man after God's
own heart and wrote the Psalm after committing adultry with Bathsheba and
murdering her husband.  All that David is saying here is that he can't
remember a time when he wasn't sinful.  He is humbling himself before God
by confessing his sinfulness.  His saying that he was sinful at birth is
a hyperbole.  The Bible, being inspired by God, isn't limited to a literal
interpetation, but also uses figures of speech as did Jesus (John 16:25).
For another example of hyperbole, see Luke 14:26.

Now then, even though people see that baptism requires faith and that
original sin is not Biblical, they will still argue that infant baptism is
necessary because children sin by being selfish - not sharing toys with
other children, by being mean - hitting others and fighting, etc.

Certainly we have observed children doing wrong things, but my gut feeling
is always that they don't know any better.  Let's look to see if the Bible
agrees with my gut feelings.

Isaiah 7:14-15 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign:  The
virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him
Immanuel.  He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the
wrong and choose the right."

Now just about any church leader will tell you that this is a prophecy
about Jesus.  If they don't, then point them to Matthew 1:23 and find a new
leader.  Jesus certainly couldn't have had less knowledge than normal human
babies.  Yet this passage says that he had to mature to a certain extent
before he would know the difference between right and wrong.  We see that
he did grow and become wiser in Luke 2:40 and 2:52.  The implication is
that Jesus did wrong things as a child before he knew to choose right over
wrong.  Since we know that Jesus was perfect -- without sin, we have rather
conclusive proof that babies cannot sin because they don't know to choose
the right instead of the wrong.

Jesus himself was baptized, albeit with John's baptism, not as an infant,
but as a thirty-year-old man (Luke 3:21-23) and started his ministry as
soon as he was baptized (Luke 3:23).  Immediately afterwards, he was
tempted by the devil (Luke 4:1-13; Matthew 4:1-11; Mark 1:12-13).

Thank you for your attention.

Moderator - this should finish up the subject for a while.  Perhaps you
would like to make a FAQ out of this response so that you can repost it
from time to time when the topic comes up.  Feel free to rearrange the
contents if you would like to, but please send me a copy of the final FAQ.

Sincerely,

Aaron Cardenas
aaronc@athena.mit.edu


You can find what you're looking for on hundreds of sites worldwide.  Try

	anonymous ftp to nic.funet.fi (Finland)

	/pub/unix/4.3bsd/net2/lib/libc/gen/crypt.c.Z

This includes source code for fully-functional DES encryption and decryption.

There are some who believe that public domain code is exportable, some
who don't.  Make your own judgements, but it seems obvious to me.


Are there any widgets, function
	librarys for drawing networks,
	graphs etc ? (Not tree views)
	Freeware, shareware, comercial...
	Like this, for instance:

                          O
                          |
                          |
                O---------O=======>O
               / \        |
              /   \       |
        O----O.....O      O
            / \
           /   \
          O     O

	* Just by giving the associations
	  between the nodes. Automatic
	  layout generation.

	* It would be nice if any node
	  symbols could be used. Maybe
	  even to insert widgets as nodes.

	* Using different line styles etc.
	  for describing associations.

	Any information would be appreciated,
	thanks in advance,


  It is my intent to cut the government off at the knees with the pen
(and keyboard).  True, the lawyer and the lawbook only go so far, but
I agree that it is best to use those resources to the maximum extent
before seriously contemplating anything more... disruptive.


the

Just use a thin film of epoxy.  That!s what I did.  Epoxy conducts heat
fairly well.  And my heat sink gets warm to prove it.  I looked for the
stuff myself & my local EE jocks said to use epoxy.

Have fun.


How about a gun buy-back/charity?  Get some sponsors to fund the
purchase of used firearms, have a gunsmith check them over, and give
or sell them at a low price to poor persons wishing to own firearms. ;-)
[OK, you guys can work out the details of who is "needy", etc...]

--
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931


Society is the collection of individuals which will fall under self-defined
rules.  In terms of UN decisions all the sets of peoples who are represented
at the UN are considered part of that society. If we then look at US federal
laws provided by representatives of purely US citizens then the society for
that case would be the citizens of the US and so on.

"Acceptable" are those behaviours which are either legislated for the
society by representatives of that society or those behaviours which are
non-verbally and, in effect, non-consciously, such as picking your nose on
the Oprah Winfrey show, no-one does it, but there is no explicit law against
doing it. In many cases there are is no definition of whether or not a
behaviour is "acceptable", but one can deduce these behaviours by
observation.

In an increasingly litigation mad society, this trap is becoming exceedingly
difficult to avoid. With the infusion and strengthening of ethnic cultures
in American (and Australian, to bring in my local perspective) culture the
boundaries of acceptable behaviour are ever widening and legislation may
eventually become the definition of moral behaviour. For instance, some
cultures' dominant religion call for live sacrifice of domesticated animals.
Most fundamental christians would find this practice abhorrent. However, is
it moral, according to the multicultural american society? This kind of
problem may only be definable by legislation.

Obviously within any society there will be differences in opinion in what is
acceptable behaviour or not, and much of this will be due to different
environmental circumstances rather than merely different opinions.

One thing is for sure, there is no universal moral code which will suit all
cultures in all situations.  There may, however, be some globally accepted
mores which can be agreed upon and instantiated as a globally enforcable
concept. The majority of mores will not be common until all peoples upon
this earth are living in a similar environment (if that ever happens).


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These speakers are in perfect condition and used only in audiophile system.
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me at home.


Hi all,
	I am working on a project in which I need to brake an image
into sub-bands and then work with them.  Since I have never done
anything like this, don't even understand the concept of sub-bands, I
was wondering if there is some software out there that would allow me
to do this.  Any hints?
Thanks,
--


Greetings all,
	Can anyone let me know status of UK law about riding motorcycles.

	I used to ride one about 12 years ago and never took my DOT test ( One
of a whole list of things I wished I had done when I was young),but I have passed
my car driving test. I now travel from Littlehampton to Brighton every day
and I'm getting PISSED off with the traffic/road works. I thinking about getting
a 100cc bike ( Don't Laugh ) just to get "Streetwise" and to take my test, then
to get a bigger one ( 400 to 600 cc ).

	Now I have been told I don't have to do the CBT but what will I have
to do to get a full licence ?

Thanks in advanced

Leigh


Quotes from Our Daily Bread

Our Daily Bread is a devotional help for spiritual growth. One can spend some
ten to fifteen minutes at most reading the daily portion of scriptures and a
related short article that brings the scriptures alive in applying in today's
society. It ends with a saying at the bottom. This article is a collection
of these sayings.

Our Daily Bread is one of the many ministries/services provided by Resources for
Biblical Communication. It is FREE. To receive the literature, just write and
ask for it. The contact addresses are listed below. Write to Radio Bible Class.

Copyright 1989 Radio Bible Class, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49555-0001

Canada: Box 1622, Windsor, Ontario N9A 6Z7
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Philippines: Box 288, Greenhills, 1502 Metro Manila

Sayings with related scriptures in December/January/February 89-90 issue of Our Daily Bread

When God saves us, all our sins are forgiven, forgotten, forever!
Romans 5:1-11

Life with Christ is difficult; without Him it's hopeless.
Ecclesiastes 4:1-6

It's the sin we cover up that eventually brings us down.
Psalm 19:7-14

You're not ready to live until you're ready to die.
Acts 21:1-14

Trusting in God's power prevents panic.
Isaiah 40:6-17

The Bible is a record of man's compete ruin in sin and God's compte remedy in Christ. - Barnhouse
2 Timothy 3:10-17

Jesus can change the foulest sinners into the finest saints.
Ephesians 2:1-10

They witness best who witness with their lives.
Acts 4:23-33

God came to dwell with man that man might dwell with God.
Philippians 2:5-11

A hurting person needs a helping hand, not an accusing finger.
Psalm 109:1,2, 14-31

What you decide about Jesus determines your destiny.
John 20:24-29

We must go to sinners if we expect sinners to come to the Savior.
Romans 1:8-15

Knowing that God sees us brings both conviction and cofidence.
Job 34:21-28

God's chastening is not cruel but corrective.
Hebrews 12:4-17

When you think of all that's good, give thanks to God.
Psalm 44:1-8

Man's greatest goal: give glory to God.
1 Peter 5:5-7

God loves every one of us as if there were but one of us to love.
Romans 8:31-39

Only the bread of life can satisfy man's spiritual hunger.
John 6:28-41

Conscience can be our compass if the word of God is our chart.
1 Timothy 4:1-5

Salvation is free, but you must receive it.
Isaiah 55:1-5

If we're not as spiritual as we could be, we're not as spiritual as we should be.
2 Timonty 1:1-7

Circumstances do not make a man, they reveal what he's made of.
Matthew 1:18-25

Make room for Jesus in your heart, and he will make room for you in heaven.
Matthew 2:1-18

Heaven's choir came down to sing when heaven's king came down to save.
Luke 2:1-20

God's highest gift awakens man's deepest gratitude.
Luke 2:21-38

Serving the Lord is an investment that pays eternal dividends.
1 Peter 4:12-19

Time misspent is not lived but lost.
Psalm 39:4-13

The measure of our love is the measure of our sacrifice.
1 Peter 4:7-11

God requires faithfulness; God rewards with fruitfulness.
Luke 19:11-27

How you spend time determines how you spend eternity.
Psalm 90:1-12

If you aim for nothing, you're sure to hit it.
Daniel 1:1-8

The Christian's future is as bright as the promises of God.
Psalm 23

Christ as Savior brings us peace with God; Christ as Lord brings the peace of God.
Colossians 1:13-20

They who only sample the word of God never acquire much of a tast for it.
Psalm 119:97-104

Unless one drinks now of the "water of life", he will thirst forever!
Revelation 22:12-17

A hyprocrite is a person who is not himself on Sunday.
Daniel 6:1-10

Be life long or short, its completeness depends on what it is lived for.
Ecclesiates 9:1-12

God loves you and me - let's love each other.
2 Corinthians 13

It's always too soon to quit.
Genesis 37:12-28

The character we build in this world we carry into the next.
Matthew 7:24-29

God sends trials not to impair us but to improves us.
2 Corinthians 4:8-18

Marriage is either a holy wedlock or an unholy deadlock.
2 Corinthians 5:11-18

We are adopted through God's grace to be adapted to God's use.
Galatians 6:1-10

Our children are watching: what we are speak louder than what we say.
Proverbs 31:10-31

Union with Christ is the basis for unity among believers.
Psalm 133

Keep out of your life all that would crowd Christ out of your heart.
Romans 6:1-14

Don't try to bear tomorrow's burdens with today's grace.
Matthew 6:25-34

Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.
2 Kings 20:1-7

Some convictions are nothing more than prejudices.
Galatians 3:26-29

Unless you velieve, you will not understand. - Augustine
Hebrews 11:1-6

Christ is the only way to heaven; all other paths are detours to doom.
2 Corinthians 4:1-7

Many Christians are doing nothing, but no Christians have nothing to do!
John 4:31-38

We bury the seed; God brings the harvest.
Isaiah 55:8-13

The texture of eternity is woven on the looms of time.
Ecclesiastes 7:1-6

It's not just what we know about God but how we use what we know.
1 Corinthians 8

The best way to avoid lying is to do nothing that needs to be concealed.
Acts 5:1-11

God transforms trials into blessing by surrounding them with His love and grace.
2 Chronicles 20:1-4, 20-30

Confessing your sins is no substitute for forsaking them.
Psalm 51:1-10

If you shoot arrows of envy at others, you would yourself.
Philippians 1:12-18

He who has no vision of eternity doesn't know the value of time.
Ephesians 5:8-17

He who abandons himself to God will never be abandoned by God.
Psalm 123

No danger can come so near the Christian that God is not nearer.
Psalm 121

Many a man lays down his life trying to lay up a fortune.
Matthew 6:19-24

God's grace is infinite love expressing itself through infinite goodness.
Philippians 1:1-11

One way to do great things for Christ is to do little things for others.
Romans 16:1-16

You rob yourself of being you when you try to do what others are meant to do.
Romans 12:1-8

Don't pretend to be what you don't intend to be.
Matthew 23:1-15

Meeting God in our trials is better than getting out of them.
Psalm 42

If sinners are to escape God's judgement, God's people must point the way.
Matthew 24:15-27

It's not a sin to get angry when you get angry at sin.
John 2:13-22

We prepare for the darkness by learning to pray in the light.
1 Samuel 2:1-10

Christianity is not a way of doing certain things but a certain way of doing all things.
Ephesians 5:1-7

Better to know the truth and beware than to believe a lie and not care.
Jeremiah 28

A true servant does not live to himself, for himself, or by himself.
Genesis 13

Those who do the most earthly good are those who are heavely mined.
Philippians 1:19-26

A good marriage requires a determination to be married for good.
Genesis 2:18-24

If you're looking for something to give your life to, look to the one who gave His life for you.
1 Corinthians 3:1-11

When we have nothing left but God, we discover that God is enough.
Psalm 46

God is with us inthe darkness as surely as He is with us in the light.
1 Peter 1:1-9

Some people spend most of their life at the complaint counter.
1 Thessalonians 5:12-22

Of all creation, only man can say "yes" or "no" to God.
Genesis 9:8-17

The most rewarding end in life is to know the life that never ends.
Ecclesiates 8:10-15

One of the marks of a well-fed soul is a well read Bible.
Joshua1:1-9

Because God gives us all we need, we should give to those in need.
Proverbs 14:20-31

It's never too early to receive Christ, but at any moment it could be too late.
Luke 16:19-31

God's grace keeps pace with whatever we face.
2 Corinthians 12:7-10

Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success.
1 Corinthians 12:12-27

When we give God our burdens, He gives us a song.
Psalm 57

Do the thing you fear, and the death of fear is certain. - Emerson
1 Corinthians 2:1-8


In a 25-pin serial loopback plug, you need to connect the following
pins:

pin 1 to pin 7
pin 2 to pin 3
pins 4, 5 and 8 together
pins 6, 11, 20 and 22 together
pins 15, 17 and 23 together,
pin 18 to pin 25.

That should do it.  Note that *a lot* of these pins are redundant
in many implementations....

Phil


speaking of the sick bastard, i noticed he attends Kent State University.

i guess we have come full circle here. Someone from Kent favoring excessive
force by the govenment to subdue polically incorrect thinking.


Yes.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No, look again. While you never *said* it, the implication is pretty clear.
I'm sorry, but I can only respond to your words, not your true meaning. Usenet
is a slippery medium.

[deleted wrt the burden of proof]
Look, I'm not supporting *any* dogmatic position. I'd be a fool to say that
in the large group of people that are atheists, no people exist who wish to
proselytize in the same fashion as religion. How many hard atheists do you
see posting here, anyway? Maybe I'mm just not looking hard enough...

I never meant to do so, although I understand where you might get that idea.
I was merely using the 'bible' example as an allegory to illustrate my
point.

Evidence for what? Who? I think I may have lost this thread...

[why theists are arrogant deleted]

Guilty as charged. What I *meant* to say was, the theists who *are* arrogant
are this way because they say ...  Other than that, I thought my meaning
was clear enough. Any position that claims itself as superior to another with
no supporting evidence is arrogant. Thanks for your apology, btw.

Explained above.


Hey Nick!  I got a bounce from postmaster@bnr.ca, it seems that they've never
heard of a user 'npet'.  You should sort these guys out.

Tony


Does anyone know how can I get detailed information about PALs and GALs.
Please reply via e-mail.
Thanks a lot in advance.


An extremely good example of "circumstantial evidence!"
Every time these right-wing control-freaks start spouting
about prayer in schools, I get this nagging commentary
from the Sermon on the Mount [Matt: 6:5-6] "And when you
pray, do not imitate the hypocrites: they love to say their
prayers standing up in the synagogues and at the street
corners for people to see them.  I tell you solemnly, they
have had their reward.  But when you pray, go to your
private room and, when you have shut your door, pray to
your Father who is in that secret place."

But no. THEY want PUBLIC prayers, the better to manipulate
children.  "Amen" indeed.

I hope you don't mind if I say "amen" to this? :-)


A CNN factiod in the last few months stated that 40% of all the computers
in the U.S. are left on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  I don't recall
CNN's source.


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  I use -lXaw -lXmu -lXext -lX11 -lXt not in this order but in a proper order

I am wondering if there has to be some changes in my link libraries or should
i include some more libraries.

ANy help in this matter will be very useful and highly appreciated


This claim hasn't been retracted or contradicted yet, as many earlier
government claims have?  At least one clip showed a fire erupting
after a tank busted in a wall.  We have unsubstantiated claims by
the government about the FLIRs spotting "simultaneous" fires.

That's easy.  Six hours of CS gas, heavy smoke from a rapidly spreading
fire, confusion, panic.  Only 10% got out.  The building was collapsing
all around them and finding the way out was a matter of luck.

The Davidians may have committed suicide, or some few zealots among
them might have started the fires -- that is possible.  But, given
the government's earlier inability to tell a straight story, I find
my above scenario equally possible.  I wait for some independent
investigation to look into the whole thing.

It would be one thing if the government spokespeople had been
consistent and forthright throughout.  Keeping the press far away
and ghettoized in "pools" was not conducive to building up trust.
Sealing the warrants was non-optimal, as well.  This operation
was out of control from the git-go.

Speaking only for myself, I think Bush and Reagan should have been
impeached over Iran-Contra.

In 1979, I would probably have given the benefit of the doubt to
the government.  No more.  Like I said, I'll wait to see the
results of an independent investigation -- if there is one --
before I choose whom to believe.

But you got one, anyway.

I generally vote for the lesser of two evils.  This last time, it
was the least of three evils.

It was a bureaucratic execution.  Out of control bureaucracies driven
by percieved self-interest and gross stupidity.

Clinton is just another statist.  My only problem with Clinton on this
is that he is apparently willing to blindly back the ATF and FBI.

--
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu


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                       Thanks


After a quick start, Pena has been stuck in a rut.  Torre gave Alicea
the start to try to get Pena out of whatever funk he is in.  It has
worked in the past.

Bob


Which was my point. By converting to another religion I do not loose
my cultural identity, I just loose my religious identification.
I consider that defining the belonging to a nation that claims the
right to have a State based on religious belief is a form of racism.

To be a part or not of the Jeish Nation is defined by my culture and not
by my religion. Actually, if I am an atheist, which is in fact like
converting into a non-Jewish in terms of religion, I am still considered as
part of the Jewish Nation.
I can be proud of my Jewish culture while not giving any importance to the
Jewish religion. Or, even more, I can be proud of my Jewish culture while
still be convinced that the real god is another one.
I do not know anyone who lost his memebership to the American nation
because he changed of god.

I still believe that we should never confusse the actions of States with
the individuals who happen to live there.
In the same way that I do not think it is right to blame all Israelis for the
human rights violations of Israel, I do not think that we should assume
that all Arabs are guilty of the actions of the Arab States.
Some people fled their homes because they were scared. Now they are in
there, still suffering for what they are not responsible.
And, remember that we also were told the same at some point. We ended in
the diaspora. And, of course, I am not for doing to others what I did not
want done to me.


: My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no
: medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.
:
: My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate
: their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature,
: etc...)
:
: Thank you,
:
: Dave Carvell
: pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu

First off, I would consider the severity of the pain. I had stones
several years ago, and there's now way I could have made it without
heavy duty doses of morphine and demerol and a two week stay in the
hospital. I was told that there was nothing that I could take that would
dissolve them. If the stones are passible, the best thing she could do
is drink LOTS of water, and hope that they pass, but every time they
move a little, the pain will be excrutiating. I was told by my doctor
at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes,
by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd
really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who
have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in.
--


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. BDI cagers usually move back then.
Hyperagressive assholes just move closer. (Something about
testosterone-stimulated behavior, I think.) It's kinda like waving a red
flag at a bull. All in all, if you can't move over and let the jerk by,
it's better than nothing...

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil


What frequency is your carrier?

Have you considered using two tones, one for 1 and another for 0?

How high is your RS-232 data rate?

Can you use more than one carrier freq?

Have you considered hiring an RF data transmission consultant?


# when soaking in water). Lasers are slightly sharper, but the only
# instance where I needed precise layouts was Printed Circuit Board
# Transparencies for PhotoEtching. I found a Textronix color Phaser
# Postscript (Thermal Wax Transfer) to work the best to make PCB
# negatives directly onto a transparency.
#

Did the deskjet work at all when printing on transparencies ? If it
did, what sort of resolution could it manage ?

-adrian


Excuse me? Are you one of those people who *enjoy* working w/win? Come talk
to a house-mate of mine and tell him how productive his life is when he
encountered yet another sudden appearence of the DOS-prompt while cutting
and pasting in win! Or an empty win screen without any tasks running (i.e.
^ESC brings up an empty list, progman has done it again.)

Leo


Does anyone know if there is such an animal.  I have a Mouse Systems
trackball and would like a driver for this device that would allow me to use
the mouse within a DOS window the same way Microsoft's mouse driver works.

Thanks,
Chris
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Shenefiel:
Who does not represent his company in any way, shape or form on this forum.
Nor do his opinions or comments represent the opinions of his company.
Nor do his opinions or comments even merit consideration of any kind.


Here's my system desc:
   4 megs on the main board, 1 on the accelerator board
   mac -plus, with the most recent roms (D)
   trying to run system 6, but would like to run 7
   the hard drive is a jasmine, works fine if i start up with the
	accelerator disabled
   i also seem to get the problem of when i try to start up from floppy
	with the hard-drive disconnected, all i get is the disk loading,
	but the screen is black, except for a happy mac in the middle,
	and it never gets anywhere
-Jason


I didn't say that pitcher's fear of throwing strikes to guys like
McGwire, Bonds, and Frank Thomas was rational.
I just said that it exists.

I don't know Alex Cole's batting style at all.   Some questions:
How tall is he?
Does he go into a crouch like Rickey Hederson/Pete Rose?
Does he foul off a lot of pitches like Brett Butler?
Does he take 1 or 2 strikes in each at bat?

It could be the Cole has a good batting "eye".
Look above, I said that *many* high OBP guys draw their walks because
pitchers are afraid to throw a strike to them, not "all" high OBP guys.


Limited Tort Option will lower your rates. If you choose it, you can't
sue others for pain & suffering, but you still can sue for economic loss.
So you can sue for your wrecked car and for medical bills, but you can't
sue for $1000000 for pain and suffering.

At least, that's how I understand it.


Doesn't sound like they attended, though, does it?  In fact, if we riders
need friends, it sounds a lot like we might have a whole townfull from
Lynn's description, especially if the same crowd gets invited back
to party some more year after year.

You seem to be one of very few bent out of shape over these "lesser
indiscretions".  If the towns-people aren't ruffled by the
"indiscretions" and the partyers aren't either, maybe the "indiscretions"
don't amount to anything more threatening or damaging than harmless
good-natured rowdiness among consenting adults.  The only thing that
really bothered me about the description was the knee-deep empty beer cans
in the street, but maybe the town had a plan to deal with that since they
helped set up the party in the first place.  If I lived there and the
bikers' previous visits had established a record of mutual cooperation
and good intentions, I'd certainly rather they stick around and party
than go riding off into the night impaired and maybe get hurt or killed.

If it doesn't hurt anyone, and all the parties to the party benefit
and consider the entire activity to be benign and harmless, then who
needs to "permit" or "justify" it?  You?  Why do *you* need to do that?

Ironically, these particular townsfolk probably are in the minority that
don't happen to fit the stereotype you describe.  They've developed a
friendly long-term mutually-beneficial relationship with a group of
motorcyclists, and aren't as burdened with MC-ignorance as is the general
population because of it.

If such a need exists, it surely must come from within.

Well, you got the "self-righteous wusses" part right, anyway.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com


I've sent Gordon R. my posts on protein, vitamin C and vitamin A prior to
posting on internet as a professional courtesy.  Somehow I've managed to
delete my vitamin A post from my text file.  Gordon R. had promised to send
it back to me but he's pretty mad at me right now so I'll just retype it.
Since digging through all my references is very time consuming(took me all
day for that PMS post), I'm not going to cite any references(Gordon R. has
them).  I'm going to include some of the material from Weinsier and
Morgan's new Nutrition textbook(which was not in my original material) to
point out that what I'm going to say has some support in the medical
community.

Diet has been know to affect the immune system of man for a very, very long
time.  Protein has always had the biggest role in infection and I've
already covered the role of protein in protecting you against infection.
Now I'm going to hit what I consider to be the most important nutrient in
the U.S. as far as infection is concerned(vitamin A).

When vitamin A was originally discovered, it was commonly referred to as
the anti-infection vitamin.  Many people(Linus Pauling being one) have
decided to take this title away from vitamin A and give it to vitamin C
(which I've already covered).  Big mistake(in my opinion).  Vitamin A is
also getting a reputation as an anti-cancer vitamin(with good reason).
The NCI currently has numerous clinical trials in progress to see if
vitamin A can not only prevent cancer but cure it as well.  It's role in
both cancer and infection is almost identical(but not quite).

Vitamin A comes in two completely different forms(retinol and
beta-carotene).  Retinol is the animal form and it's toxic, beta-carotene
is the plant form and it's completely nontoxic.  Both retinol and beta-
carotene display good absorption in the human gut if bile is present
(60-80%).  The liver stores all of your retinol and doles it out for other
tissues to use by synthesizing retinol binding protein(RBP).  A normal human
adult liver should have 500,000IU to 1,000,000IU of retinol stored.  We
are born with 10,000IU in our liver.  U.S. autopsy has shown that about
30% of Americans die with the same(or less) amount of vitamin A as they
were born with.  If you don't believe that nutritional reserves(like that
of retinol in the liver) are important, then this low vitamin A reserve is
not going to affect you.  But if you believe(like I do) that the nutrient
reserves are important, then there is a problem with vitamin A in the U.S.

The U.S. RDA for vitamin A in an adult male is 1,000 RE or 5,000IU of
vitamin A.  For adult feamles its 800 RE or 4,000IU of vitamin A.  Diet
surveys show that most Americans are getting this amount of vitamin A
(either retinol or Beta-carotene) from their diet.  But the NRC(National
Research Council) was going to release a new RDA table in 1985 that had the
RDA for both vitamin A and vitamin C raised(C to 90mg per day and A to
7,500IU per day for adult males).  That report and it's recommendations was
killed.  Why? Concern over the increasing supplementation was the main
reason.  RDAs are set to prevent clinical disease, not to keep nutrient
reserves full.  Many scientist in the U.S. feel that the time has come to
move away from the prevention of clinical pathology concept and move
towards the promotion of optimum health concept, especially since we have
some very good data now that show that nutrient reserves are extremely
important during periods of stress.  The nutritonal concervatives won that
battle and a new group of scientist were collected to come out with the
1989 RDA list which lowered the RDA for several nutrients and moved the
dietary guidelines back to where they were when we first started in the
1940's(get enough to prevent clinical pathology, but not enough to fill
the reserves).

We know from autopsy that only about 10% of Americans have a liver with a
normal vitamin A reserve(500,000IU to 1,000,000IU).  I preach nutrient
reserves to my students and tell them to measure them in their patients.
But for vitamin A, only a liver biopsy(or autopsy data) will tell you how
much somebody has stored.  We can tell very easily if someone has
overfilled his or her liver with vitamin A by measuring the serium retinol
level(levels above 450ug/dl are highly suggestive that you have filled your
liver with vitamin A and it's time to stop taking retinol).  The normal
range of serum retinol will be 20-100ug/dl.  Hypervitaminosis A is
diagnosed with a serum retinol level of 2,000ug/dl or higher(Interpretation
of Diagnostic Test, Wallach, M.D., a Little Brown Series book).  This level
of vitamin A in blood means that medical attention is necessary due to
vitamin A toxicity.  Weinsier and Morgan take a much more conservative
approach to vitamin A toxicity than does Wallach, as you will see later in
this post.  Between 450ug/dl and 2,000ug/dl you should have plenty
of warning that it's time to eliminate the retinol from your diet(headache,
redness of the skin, hair loss, joint pain).

I tell all my students that will use vitamin A in their practice that they
had better monitor the serum retinol level and stop when there are clear
signs that the liver is full.  You will never really know if the patient
needs the vitamin A(because you can not measure the pool in liver) but you
will always know when it's time to stop(just like in those vitamin A for
PMS studies).

Beta-carotene can be taken to fill up your liver with retinol and you will
never have to worry about toxicity because the conversion of beta-carotene to
retinol that occurs in both your gut and your liver will slow down(stops in the
liver and slows down in the gut) when your liver is full of retinol.  But
taking Beta-carotene as the source of retinol takes a very long time to
fill the liver up(I've seen estimates of 20-30 years) if you are in the 30%
that only has as much as you were born with in your liver(10,000IU).  One
other problem with beta-carotene, if you have a zinc deficit, you will not
convert as much beta-carotene to retinol in the gut or the liver because the
enxzyme that does this conversion requires zinc.  In addition, the release of
retinol from the liver is a zinc dependent process so a zinc deficit will
cause a vitamin A deficit even if your liver has plenty of vitamin A.

Now what does vitamin A do in cancer and infection protection?  The body
uses vitamin A(retinol) for many different things.  Vision(the first to be
nailed down and where you see overt clinical pathology) uses the aldehyde
(retinal) and alcohol(retinol) form of vitamin A.  Reproduction uses the
retinol form  and some retinal.  Infection and cancer protection uses
retinoic acid.  How do you convert retinol(which your white blood cells
and the mucosal cells get from blood) to retinoic acid?  You use enzymes,
one of which requires vitamin C(this is why Pauling has tried to pull the
title of anti-infection vitamin away from vitamin A).  Vitamin C does play
a role in infection(interferon production for example) but it's biggest role
is the conversion of retinol to retinoic acid.  If you increase your intake
of vitamin C, you will increase your formation of retinoic acid.  But
retinoic acid can not be converted back to retinol(as retinal can) and once
it's formed, it's used and then lost to the body.  This is why the 1985 NRC
group wanted to increase both vitamin C and vitamin A RDA's.

Most people taking large amounts of vitamin C really think that they are
helping themselves.  If they don't have much vitamin A in their liver and
they are not also increasing their intake of vitamin A, they actually do
themselves more harm than good.

Retinoic acid functions in white blood cells to promote antibody formation.
In the mucus membrane, it is the main factor in promoting good mucus
production and a good epithelial cell barrier to prevent infectious agents from
entering the blood system.  The mucus membrane is referred to as the "first
line" defense against infection.  For cancer, retinoic acid has been shown
to act as a cell brake(it counteracts the effect of cell promoters which
stimulate cells to divide).  Cancer has two distinct steps, DNA alteration
and cell promotion.  For cells that normally divide all the time, promoters
are not that important.  But for lung and breast tissue which does not
normally divide, promoters are real important in the malignant process.
This is the major reason why the NCI has so many different clinical trials
in progress using retinol and/or beta-carotene.

Chronic infection(irritation) of the mucus membranes is a signal that
vitamin A may not be adequate.  I tell my students that any patient who
walks into their office with a complaint of chronic infection has to be
worked up for vitamin A(along with the other factors that medicine already
has on it's list of causes for chronic infection).  I drive this home in my
course at the Osteopathic College in Tulsa, when I teach at the allopathic
medical school in Tulsa(OU's branch campus) and when I give CME lectures.

Dark adaptation is the best clinical test for vitamin A status since night
vision is impacted when liver reverves drop to 50,000IU of retinol.  The
serum level of retinol can also be used, but it does not drop until liver
reserves drop below 10,000 to 20,000IU.  Asking a patient if they have
trouble seeing at night is a good initial screen(if cataracts are ruled
out).  In one study done on U.S. Spanish-Americans where serum retinol levels
were measured, 25% of the sample population had a serum retinol level below
20ug/dl.

As more studies are done on serum retinol levels in population groups of
the U.S. that have had a history of high infection rates, we will probably
see a much stonger correlation between infection incidence rates and low
serum retinol levels.

What do Weinsier and Morgan have to say about vitamin A?  Here are excerpts
from their book:

Vitamin A functions in vision in the forrm of retinol, it is necessay for
growth and differentation of epithelial tissue, and is required for
reproduction, embryonic development, and bone growth.  Protein-calorie
malnutrition and zinc deficiency may impair the absorption, transport, and
metabolism of vitamin A.  Retinaldehyde is converted to retinoic acid,
which has biological activity in growth and in cell diferentiation but not
in reproduction or vision.  The most common procedure to evaluate vitamin A
status is to measure the retinol level in plasma or serum.  The normal
range for vitamin A content for a child is 20 to 90ug/dl.  Lower values are
indicators of deficiency or depleted body stores.  Serum levels greater
than 100ug/dl are indicative of toxic levels of vitamin A.  Dark adaptation
tests and electroretinogram measurements are also useful but difficult to
perform on young children.  Rapidly proliferating tissues are sensitive to
vitamin A deficiency and may revert to an undifferentiated state.  The
bronchorespiratory tract, skin, genitourinary system, gastrointestinal
tract and sweat glands are adversely affected.  A daily intake of more than
7.5mg(about 37,000IU) of retinol is not advised and chronic use of amounts
over 20mg(100,000IU) can result in a dry and itching skin, desquamation,
erythematous dermatitis, hair loss, joint pain, chapped lips, hyperostois
(bony depositis), headaches, anorexia, edema and fatigue.

They recommend 30mg of retinol via IM injection in children for vitamin A
deficiency but do not discuss treatment for adults.  Their toxic serum retinol
level is very conservative.  I recommend that my students try 25,000IU in
adults that are having problems with chronic infection.  They have to rule
out a zinc deficit first by getting an RBC zinc run(or if their clinical
lab can't run it, I tell them to do what Weinsier and Morgan suggest, give
them the zinc along with the vitamin A.  At 25,000IU per day, toxicity
should not be a problem and you will not have to worry about pulling the
patient into the office on a regular basis to run a serum retinol.

Both Elaine and Jon found doctors who used a much higher dose of vitamin A.
Recall that the PMS papers were using 100,000IU to 200,000IU of vitamin A.
I don't suggest that my students use these high doses.  If you wanted to
fill the liver up fast(as part of a clinical trial) and were monitoring the
serum retinol level, then you would be okay.  But my knowledge of the
vitamin A literature suggests to me that 25,000IU for patients with a
demonstrated vitamin A deficit(dark adapatation test or serum retinol) will
provide a good and steady improvement(as long as zinc and vitamin C status
are good) without having to worry about toxicity.  If they want to get more
agressive, fine if they follow my advise to check the serum retinol.  But
vitamin A(retinol) should never be given in high dose to women who could
become pregnant since vitamin A shows teratogenicity towards the human
fetus.  The dose needed to show this effect on the developing fetus is
18,000IU of retinol per day.  Beta-carotene will never have this effect on
the human fetus.

Could just taking Beta-carotene instead of retinol supplements help?  Yes
but the effect will take a long time to develop.  My advise is to use
retinol to fill the liver up and then switch to beta-carotene to keep it
full.  Vitamin A is probably one nutrient that is better off left to
prescription by doctors.  But when we have the M.D.'s in this newsgroup
jumping all over me and other doctors that propose the use of vitamin A
supplements for treating patients with chronic sinus and GI distress, I
think that the most prudent option is to keep vitamin A in the OTC market
but require manufactors to provide package inserts to educate the general
public about the dangers of vitamin A supplementation.


It is interesting to note in the past few days' correspondance that some
believe that poor old New Mexico is not capable of hosting a commercial
space launch business.  For many reasons, it can, and we here on the front
lines see no reason why it should not.  The 'spaceport political publicity'
referred to the other day had its intended effect - the state of New Mexico
did establish the start of the necessary government infrastructure to back a
commercial space port.  The commanding general at WSMR is in full support of
dual-use for the facilities.  The WSMR location also has some strategic
advantages in the form of necessary infrastructure and controlled air space
to support the project.  Just because the folks involved have not done the
traditional aerospace-equivalent of vapor-ware by inviting folks out to kick
non-existent tires but have been merely doing their job to prepare for
launch, don't think that nothing has happened.  From my interactions with
the MACDAC folks, I get the impression that they want to set a firm,
believable launch date based on vehicle readiness and not just some fiction
to plug a space on a calendar.  I believe that all will happen this summer
and don't worry, the locals here are planning to let everyone know when it
does occur.
Stephen Horan
shoran@nmsu.edu


You really expect a cop to answer these honestly?

(First you gotta expect a cop to be honest...that's another
story...)


In trying to use the Equation editor in Word for Windows 2.0 I get
a couple of error messages along the lines of:

Similar for the font Fences.

I know I have these fonts on my system but are unable to use them.
I have tried both of these solutions to no avail.

If anyone has had similar problems and has found a way to fix this, could
they let me know. It is urgently required !!

Thanks ,

      ****     Jason Cleeve       (j.cleeve@ieee.org)       Q         ****
    ***   `    Comp. Sci. (Hons) & Elect. Eng.             /T\       '   ***
  ****         La Trobe University. Australia              / \            ****
*********      Email: cleeve@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au      ------\      **********


# ## Sigh.  You're absolutely right.  We have no political power whatsoever.
#
# #If only that were true.  In California, homosexuals have enough power
# #to impose their morals on others.
#
# The only "moral" we're imposing is one which you supposedly embrace already:
# every human being's right to be treated as such.

I don't expect to be hired based on my sexual orientation.  If someone
decides he wants a gay-only staff of employees, that's his business.
I won't force him to hire heterosexuals; please don't force me to
hire homosexuals.

# ## Therefore, we should be oppressed and ignored and denigrated, right?  I
#
# #You aren't oppressed in California.
#
# But it's OK to oppress us, that's what you're saying!

No.  I'm saying it's none of the government's business what two
consenting adults do in private.  You don't believe that, unfortunately.

# ## certainly hope you don't have an SO, sir, because if she heard how
# ## disparaging you are towards political minorities, and if she had any shred
# ## of self-respect, she'd be out the door.
#
# #Why do you keep insulting women and blacks by comparing them to
# #homosexuals?
#
# This sort of crap makes me so fucking sick that I can't even bring myself to
# touch it.  You're a fuckwit with no perspective, no valid life experience,
# and no true knowledge of the human condition.  I see no point in trying to
# convince you politely that we're not all like the ones you've met, because
# you're showing no willingness at all to be open-minded enough to accept that
# your stupid generalizations have exceptions.  You are an intellectual waste,
# and the reason you believe the worst of homosexuals is that you bring out
# the worst in them.
#
# ----bi    Andrew D. Simchik					SCHNOPIA!

And you are yet another reminder of the emotional instability of
homosexuals.


 A suggestion:  Slave (hook in series) a small pilot light off the fan
circuit.  Then, if the light goes out, you know your fan is not working.


I have placed a new release of my aXe editor in aXe-5.0.tar.Z on
export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) and arjuna.ncl.ac.uk (128.240.150.1).

The significant change this time, and the justification for the hike
in the major version number, is:

  o undo has been implemented.

    By default only the last change can be undone, but a resource is
    provided to allow the user to specify how many, including unlimited,
    levels of undo information should be kept. Also, undo of undo is
    supported.

There is no truth in the rumour that the next version will be EmaXe 19 :-)

                          -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

For those who have not encountered aXe before here is a summary of
what it is all about:

aXe is a simple to use text editor for X that represents a significant
improvement over xedit. Also built around the Athena Text Widget it
features, amongst other things,

   o multiple windows
   o multiple buffers
   o default menu interface
   o optional button interface, with choice and layout of buttons
     under user control
   o minibuffer for expert use and access to external filters
   o provision for defining a keyboard macro
   o geometry specification and resizing in terms of characters
   o file selection via a browser
   o knowledge of line numbers
   o parenthesis matching
   o regular expression searching
   o restricted or unlimited undo
   o ability to change font
   o easy entry of control codes
   o xterm-like keymap feature
   o easy runtime setting of selected preferences (resources)
   o both brief and comprehensive on-line help
   o server mode with cooperating client programs
   o optional extension language using Tcl
   o optional Xaw3d widget set compatability
   o collection of reusable widgets that embody the functionality of aXe

I have personally built and run core aXe, i.e. without the Tcl and
Xaw3d options, on the following systems:

   Sun SPARC        SunOS 4.1.x     MIT X11R5
   Sun SPARC        SunOS 5.1       MIT X11R5
   Encore Multimax  UMAX 4.3        MIT X11R5
   DEC 5000/120     ULTRIX 4.2      MIT X11R5
   HP 9000/710      HP-UX 8.07      MIT X11R5
   MAC IIci         AU/X 3.0        MIT X11R5

but not all have been subject to the same level of testing. I have
only tested the Tcl and Xaw3d options on the first.

A number of '#ifdef SYSV'-isms that have been fed back to me have been
incorporated into the code and a possible scandir replacement is
provided for those systems that do not have one.

Although aXe will probably build under R4 run-time problems have been
encountered in the past. I have not bothered to try this version under
R4, and have not put any effort into solving previously known
problems.  Therefore, if you are at R4 you very much take pot luck. If
it doesn't work the only alternative is to try the last release,
2.1.1, of version 2 which should still be around. It doesn't have as
many features and uses the Widget Creation Library (Wcl). Not only
that, it requires an old version of Wcl, 1.06 or 1.05. Version 3 of
aXe was nearing completion when version 2 of Wcl came out so aXe 2
never got converted to make use of it.

aXe is available by anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12)
and arjuna.ncl.ac.uk (128.240.150.1) initially, and probably in due
course from several other ftp sites.  Check your nearest using
xarchie.

If you can't ftp, try sending email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with the
word "help" alone in your message body.  You will receive instructions
on how to ftp via email.

Jim


I'm a nursing student, and I would like to respond to #66966 on haldol
and the elderly.
Message-ID: <25APR199316225142@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu>
Organization: Florida State University - School of Higher Thought
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

First, I'm sorry to hear that you have had to see your grandmother go
through this.  I know it has to have been tough.

There are many things that can cause long term confusion in elderly
adults.  The change in environment can cause problems.  Anesthetic agents
can cause confusion because the body cannot clear the medicines out of
the body as easily.  In addition, medications and interactions between
medications can cause confusion.

As far as whether or not haldol can have long lasting effects even after
the drug has been discontinued, I do not know.  I have not _seen_ anything
to that effect.  However, I also had not been looking for that information.
I can see what I can find...

I can tell you that haldol is an antipsychotic drug, and, according to
the Nursing93 Drug handbook, it is "Especially useful for agitation
associated with senile dementia"  (p. 400).  It also should not be
discontinued abruptly.  It did not say anything about long lasting
effects.

Because so many things can cause confusion, it is hard for me to know
what else was going on at the time; if I had more history, i might be able
to answer you better.  If you want to send me e-mail with more information,
I would be happy to try to  help you piece together what might have
happened.


A lot of the time, when you're dealing with someone who has no financial
interest in selling you the machine, you get a lot of opinion (as opposed
to factual information, etc.).  What it sounds like to me is that this guy
has had an experience with one flaky Centris 610 and formed an
all-encompassing opinion on the rest of the 610's.  I've seen lots of
people who frustrated me to no end because they refused to believe any
other Mac Xyz would be any good, since their experience (with >one<
machine) with a Mac Xyz had been bad.  Their loss, eh?