This problem is caused by a bad interaction between the way olwm reparents
windows, a misfeature of the X protocol, and a bug in the Xt intrinsics.

The Intrinsics bug is that it ignores the (x,y) position given in
ReparentNotify events.  Olwm is structured in such a way that, when a window
is popped down, the last event the client receives is a ReparentNotify event.
At this point, the Intrinsics' notion of the shell's location is out of date.

If a SetValues is done using the same (x,y) position, the Intrinsics thinks it
needs to move the shell, so it issues a ConfigureWindow request to move it
there.  However, a (mis)feature of the X protocol is that a ConfigureWindow
request that has no effect will generate no ConfigureNotify event.  The
Intrinsics thus waits for an event that will never arrive, and times out after
wmTimeout has expired.  (Actually, things are somewhat more complex because
the request is redirected to the window manager, but the net result is the
same.)

The solution is for the Intrinsics to note the (x,y) positioning information
in ReparentNotify events.  This has been implemented and is available in X11R5
public fix 20.  This is XBUG 5513 for those of you who are interested in
gorier details.

s'marks


Yes we have the same problem with xinit.  The problems seems to come from the
fact that the XOpenDisplay(":0") fails.   If we try (on our machine
named godzilla)

setenv DISPLAY godzilla:0.0
Xibm&
xterm

It works fine, but the following will not work

setenv DISPLAY unix:0.0
Xibm&
xterm

Did we set a configuration option incorrectly?  Thank you for any assistance
you can offer.

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                    Herb Hasler --- herb@iiasa.ac.at
      International Institute for Applied Systems Anaylsis  (IIASA)
          A-2361 Laxemburg, Austria --- +43 2236 715 21 ext 548


I'm looking for some recommendations for screen capture programs.  A
couple of issues ago, PC Mag listed as Editor's Choices both Conversion
Artist and Hijaak for Windows.  Anyone have any experience with those or
some others?  I'm trying to get an alpha manual in the next few days, and
I'm not making much progress with the screen shots.  :^(

I'm currently using DoDot and I'm about to burn it and the disks it rode
it on.  It's got a lot of freaky bugs and *oversights* that are driving
me crazy.  Tonight it decided that for any graphic it writes out as a
TIFF file that's under a certain arbitrary size, it will swap the left
and right sides of the picture [!].  Usually it confines itself to not
copying things to the clipboard (so I have to save and load pix for
editing in paintbrush) or crashing every hour or so.

The one nice thing it has, though, is it's "dither" option.  You'd think
that this would turn colors into dots, which it does if you go from, say,
256 colors to 16 colors.  But if you go from 256 or 16 colors to B&W,
you can set a threshold level for which colors turn to black and which
turn to white.  For me, this is useful because I can turn light grays on
buttons to white, and the dark grays to black, and thereby preserve the
3d-effect on buttons and other parts of the window.

If you understood my description :^) can you tell me if another (less
buggy!) program can do this as well?

Much thanks for any help.

---------------------------------Signature---------------------------------
David DelGreco                       | "What lies behind us and what lies
Technically a Writer                 | before us are tiny matters compared
delgreco@rahul.net                   | to what lies within us."
                                     |         - Oliver Wendell Holmes


My girlfriend is a smoker. She has been addicted to it for quite some time.
She has been tried a couple of times, but then always get back to it. Her
background is non-Christian, but she's interested in Christianity. I'm a
Christian and non-smoker.

I would like to collect any personal stories from Christians who managed to
quit. I hope that this will encourage her to keep on trying. If anybody ever
had a similar problem or knows a good book on it, pls reply by email.

I appreciate any kinds of helps. Thanks a lot.


The Vatican library recently made a tour of the US.
 Can anyone help me in finding a FTP site where this collection is
 available.


: I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the
: distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver?
:
: Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength
: and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft),
: and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so.
: --------------------
You might try looking at whats available in laser locating systems. They
work best for close work( 1 mile and under).

RF is used for much longer distances in two major modes. Transponder and
phase measurment. Transponder requires you send a pulse to another station
and it returns it to you and you measure the round trip time minus the
receiver time.

Phase measurements require two or more transmitting stations sending the
same frequency signal multiplexed in time. A receiver can pick them up and
measure the phase shift between signals. Maps can be drawn that plot the
Lines of Position that correspond to a certain phase shift between two
stations.


refrettably you are mistaken.  alt.drugs was used to recruit people for the
worldwide pot religion.  I, however hve no problem being in both of them


It probably won't work with any other LC.  The ones I have for the LC II
are Rev. D.  No, it won't work in the IIsi's PDS slot since it's a 68030
PDS, while the LC has the 68020 PDS.  The IIsi and SE/30 share the same
kind of card.

That's the 10BaseT ethernet connector.


WHen trying to choose a resistor with a tolerance better than 1%, you
need a trimmer or to screen devices, it can't be made from adding 2
resitors of 1% value in parallel, since the smaller device will have the
error of 1% to cope with.
You have 3 choices;
a) live with the error of 1% tolerance devices for low Q circuits or low
sensitivity designs
b) buy resistors with better than 1% tolerance (Vishay/Dale)
c) use trimmers or SOT's (Select-On-Test)


I replied:

You answered:

I think it is important to clear up your first reply.  You gave the
impression that you should not use smartdrive with stacker.   You are
correct re: caching the compressed drive.  However, as I understand it,
you can cache the uncompressed drive.  Thus if you have compressed your
disk C:, you will have a C and probably a D drive under stacker.  C being
the compressed disk (which is just a large file on D:) and D being the
uncompressed disk.  You should only attempt to stack D:.  In fact, with
Win 3.1 and smartdrv.exe, it seems smart enough to automatically default
to stacking your A,B and D drives.


What about ethanol?  It's available here in corn country and its octane is
rated at 89 or 90 and costs the same as "normal" 87 octane.


On 26-Apr-93 in Re: What part of "No" don't..
Please provide evidence that having a moment of silence for a student
who died tragically costs taxpayers money.


[...]
B >  Medicine has not, and probalby never will be, practiced this way.  There
B >  has always been the use of conventional wisdom.  A very good example is
B >  kidney stones.  Conventional wisdom(because clinical trails have not been
B >  done to come up with an effective prevention), was that restricitng the
B >  intake of calcium and oxalates was the best way to prevent kidney stones
B >  from forming.  Clinical trials focused on drugs or ultrasonic blasts to
B >  breakdown the stone once it formed.  Through the recent New England J of
B >  Medicine article, we now know that conventional wisdom was wrong,
B >  increasing calcium intake is better at preventing stone formation than is
B >  restricting calcium intake.
[...]
B >  Marty B.

 Marty, I personally wouldn't be so quick and take that NEJM article
 on kidney stones as gospel. First of all, I would want to know who
 sponsored that study.
 I have seen too many "nutrition" bulletins over the years from
 local newspapers, magazines, to TV-guide, with disclaimers on the
 bottom informing us that this great health news was brought to us
 compliments of the Dairy Industries.
 There are of course numerous other interest groups now that thrive
 financially on the media hype created from the supposedly enormous
 benefits of increasing one's calcium intake.

 Secondly, were ALL the kidney stones of the test subjects involved
 in that project analysed for their chemical composition?  The study
 didn't say that, it only claimed that "most kidney stones are large-
 ly calcium."
 Perhaps it won't be long before another study comes up with the exact
 opposite findings. A curious phenomenon with researchers is that they
 are oftentimes just plain wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

 Sodium/magnesium/calcium/phosphorus ratios are, in my opinion, still
 the most reliable indicators for the cause, treatment, and prevention
 of kidney stones.
 I, for one, will continue to recommend the most logical changes in
 one's diet or through supplementation to counteract or prevent kidney
 stones of either type; and they definitely won't include an INCREASE
 in calcium if the stones have been identified as being of the calcium
 type and people's chemical analysis confirms that they would benefit
 from a PHOSPHORUS-raising approach instead!

     Ron Roth
 =====================================================================
 --  Internet: rn.3228@rose.com  -  Rosenet: ron roth@rosehamilton  --

 * A stone on the ground is better than a stone in the body.


Hello,

we need the code for decompression of Quicktime JPEG Pict files, as they
don't conform to usual jpeg compressors, which are available in source.
The code should be in C Pascal or Modula. The code will be used on several
platforms to view pictures over ISDN. Perhaps a special hardware will be
put around it (much less then a mac! perhaps only a DSP with some support
chips)
If the code is not available, perhaps the algorithm is available to
decompress
them.

Christian Bauer


FOR SALE:  1990 Pontiac Grand Prix SE

2-Door Coupe,
White, White rims, Gray interior.
58K miles (mostly highway),
3.1 Litre V6 multi-port fuel-injected engine,
5 speed manual transmission.

One owner.

Options include:

A/C,
Rear defogger,
Power steering,
Power brakes,
Power windows,
Power locks,
Power mirrors,
Cruise control,
Power glass moonroof with sunshade,
Power seat/recliner (driver's),
Power seat/comfort/lumbar/headrest (both front seats),
Trunk pass-through (for skis)
AM/FM cassette stero (6 speakers),
Electronic monitor/service system with graphic compass,
Stereo controls duplicated on steering wheel,
Remote-keyless entry,
and others.

Asking $11,500.

The car looks and rides like it just rolled off
of the dealers lot.  It has been garaged and pampered.
It gets an average of 27.5 mpg highway, sometimes better;
city is around 19-23 mpg, depending on how it is driven.

Selling because of baby coming soon.  Need 4-door family
car.  Will consider trade or partial trade with Ford Taurus,
Mercury Sable, or 4-door Pontiac Grand Am or similar American
car.

I live in the Boston,MA area.


If you would like to sell your Technics SA-GX910 receiver, or know
someone who would like to sell it, please contact me.  I'm willing
to pay any reasonable price.  Thanx.


I stopped going to A's games some years ago while I still lived inthe
Bay Area for exactly this reason.  I believe the length of their games
has been institutionalized by LaRussa/Duncan.  They encourage their
pitchers to be overly deliberate, to throw to first often, to study
the catchers' signals, and so on.  And almost every A's hitter takes
a step out of the box after every pitch.  This is not, imo, a coincidence.
This is planned.  And I hate it.

As for the Gant situation, I did not see the game or the replays.  But
I do wonder.  What if Gant had requested a time out?  Would Hirschbeck
have been required to give it to him?  Could he have denied the requst?
For all he (the ump) knew, Gant could have had dirt in his eye.


Utah raster toolkit using getx11. Convert your sun raster files (presumably) to
ppm with the pbm+ toolkit then convert ppm to utah rle format with ppmtorle which
is provided in the toolkit.

I seem to remember that Xloadimage can do 24 bit servers too.

Possibly xwud the x window un-dump program can display 24 bit images; certainly
xwd can grab them.

--
Chris Lilley
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Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project
Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road,
Manchester, UK.  M13 9PL                        Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk
Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045  Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc


I remember, back before commercial mikes with the "PZM" label (for
Pressure Zone Microphone) started showing up, I read an article,
in some engineering journal, that described the principles involved.
All the physics aside, from a practicle standpoint the author's said
they built a prototype with nothing more than a small Sony lavelier
mike laid up against a large aluminum disk.  In demonstrating it at
a presentation to audio engineers, this was impressive enough that
the people present were bugging them about where they could buy them.

Anyway...I want to build some to use as "choir mikes" (wide coverage).
I've had good luck using some small electret mike elements I got
from Digi-Key - most of these are limited-bandwidth, peakey units
but for a buck or two more I got the ones spec'd to go out to 20kHz
with a bit flatter response.

The distance of the mike opening from the flat plate is kind of
critical.  I'm debating whether to mount it on it's side, which
puts the opening a shade under 2mm from the plate, or mounting
it with the opening actually pointing down into the plate at a
small clearance.  I haven't dissected a unit like you can buy at
Radio Shack to see how they do it.  Thoughts?


I've read that exercise makes the heart pump more blood at a stroke, and
that it also makes the heart pumb slower, in order to make up for the
greater volume. My Internist, who diagnosed my AV block, slow heart rate
and PVC's, told me something different. She says that heart rate is
associated with the electrical properties of the hear muscle, not its
size. Exercise lowers heart rate and increases stroke volume, but the
effects are unrelated except for their common source. The AV block, she
asserts, is another electrical effect, which is irreversable - even when
exercise is dicontinued. PVC's are also common in runners.

So my EKG puts me in a class with trained athletes and also with heart
patients. Isn't that strange, though? Are there any not-so-beneficial
aspects to athlete's heart? Is it all good?


The lead-acid secondary cell releases energy (electricity) with the following
chemical reaction:

Pb + PbO2 + 2H2SO4 --> 2PbSO4 + 2H20

Lead and Lead (IV) Oxide and Sulfuric Acid produce Lead Sulfate and Water

The standard heats of formation at 25 C (77 F) of the various compounds are:

              Heat of formation
Compound      at 25 C, kcal/mole
--------      ------------------
   Pb               0.00
  PbO2            -65.0
 H2SO4           -193.69
 PbSO4           -218.5
  H20             -68.3174

The heat of reaction at 25 C is therefore -60.6 kcal per mole PbSO4 produced.
Note that lead sulfate is not very soluble (0.0048 grams per 100 grams water
at 25 C), and it will thus precipitate out of solution where the reaction is
occurring, or the cathode (positive terminal) of the battery.  (I am almost
sure it is the positive terminal where the precipitate forms, but I may be
wrong.  Oh well, I don't have a corroded battery to corrobate, and I don't feel
like thinking through it right now.)

What is important to notice here is that the reaction, as you knew it would be,
is exothermic, or energy discharging.  If moisture with dissolved electrolytes
(acid rain) condenses on the battery, a conductive path between the terminals
may form.  This will discharge the battery as the chemical reaction proceeds.
The reaction is reversible, if electricity (from an alternator or battery
charger) is put back into the battery.

Lead-acid batteries must change in chemical composition to discharge.  Each
cell has all the reactants necessary for the reaction.  The non-reacting posts
(terminals) of the lead-acid battery are there to remove (or add) electric
energy during a discharge (or charge).  Because the reaction is exothermic, it
has a tendency to happen, though quite slowly under normal circumstances.  So
while keeping the battery dry is a good idea, it is not a total solution.

To understand why lead-acid batteries DO INDEED discharge faster when stored on
concrete as opposed to wood or earth (dirt), one should recall LeChatelier's
Principle, which can be paraphrased as:  anything subjected to some stress will
act to move to a more comfortable position.  Here are the thermal conductivities
of a some selected materials:

                                              thermal conductivity
       material           Temperature, C (F)  BTU/(hr-ft-ft)(F/ft)
       --------           ------------------  --------------------
diatomaceous earth,            204                   0.051
 natural, across strata        871                   0.077
diatomaceous, natural,         204                   0.081
 parallel to strata            871                   0.106
diatomaceous earth powder     (100)                  0.039
  (density, 18 lb/cu.ft)      (200)                  0.042
                              (300)                  0.044
                              (400)                  0.048
                              (500)                  0.051
concrete (cinder)              ---                   0.20
         (stone)               ---                   0.54
         (1:4 dry)             ---                   0.44
pine (across grain)             15                   0.087
   (parallel to grain)          21                   0.20
oak (across grain)              15                   0.12
maple (across grain)            50                   0.11

Note that the thermal conductivity for "dirt" (diatomaceous earth) goes down
with temperature.  Also, 204 C is about 400 K, and the values for earth powder
are on the same order of magnitude as natural earth.  The thermal conductivity
of concrete is around a factor of 10 greater than that of dirt, and is 2-4
times greater than wood.

It is these differences in thermal conductivity that cause the battery on
concrete to discharge faster than that on dirt or wood.  At any instant the
discharge reaction is occurring, energy is being released, either as electricity
or heat.  (Thermal conductivity of air is about 0.015 BTU/(hr-ft-ft)(F/ft).)
During storage, except for the trickle that passes through any condensate on
the battery, this energy is mostly released as heat.  The higher conductivity
surface will remove the heat proportionately faster than the lower conductivity
surface.  Thus, if you perfectly insulated a dry battery on all but the bottom
surface, at any given battery temperature above the storage surface temperature,
the battery on a concrete surface will be discharging about 10 times faster
than that on dirt.

This is where LeChatelier's principle comes into play.  Removing energy from
the exothermic reaction will drive the reaction further to completion.  If the
reaction normally occurs at room temperature, keeping the battery at that
temperature requires the removal of any heat produced.  A concrete surface is
a better heat sink than a dirt or wood surface.  Store a battery in the corner
of a poured concrete basement, and you have 3 surfaces removing energy, which
"pulls" the reaction along.

Also, if water evaporates from the battery, that elevates the ratio of sulfuric
acid to water.  This will tend to drive the discharge reaction.

Jeff White      jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu


As soon as I am logged into Linux, I type

# xinit

Setting TCP SO_LINGER : Protocol not available
no SIOCGIFCONF
XFree86 Version 1.2/X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
configured drivers:
	VGA256(256 colout SVGA):
	  et4000, et 3000, PVGA1, gvga, ati, tvga8900c, tgva9000
    (using VT number 7)
Mouse : type : Mouse Systems, device : /dev/mouse, baudrate:1200
Font Path set to "usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75 dpi/,
				  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Bitstream1/,
				  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc.
VGA 256 : et4000 ( mem : OK numclocks : 16 )
VGA 256 : Clocks : 25.2 28.3 47.8 41.2 25.4 0.0 47.6 0.0
VGA 256 : Clocks : 0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0 0.0  41.3
Vga 256 : Too little memory for virtual resolution 1024 1204

*** A configured device found, but display modes could not be resolved. ***

Fatal server error:
no screens found
giving up.
xinit : Interrupted system call(errno 4) : Unable to connect to X server
xinit : No such process(errno 3) : Server error.

===========================================================================

Why am I getting these messages when I type in xinit?
Is there a configuration file for X-Windows(like config.sys for MSDOS)?
How do I start the X session( from shell )?

______________________________________________________


Maybe. I've had an Epson portable with backlit LCD since 1988 which is
still used daily and the screen on that is fine. The only problem it
has (and ever has had) is the "arm" of the screen is sorta lose and if
you bend it fairly harshly the screen goes off until you wiggle it
round a bit. But other than that, it's been perfect! So what's that,
about um, 60 months???!


1991 Toyota Camry
    Deluxe model
    5 sp
    power windows
    power door locks
    power steering
    power brakes
    AM/FM cassette
    70K highway miles
    Excellent condition

    $9800

    (914) 335-6984 day (until 5pm)
    (609) 397-2147 (after 7pm)
    ask for Bob Fusi

                                                        Rob Fusi
                                                        rwf2@lehigh.edu
             E-mail or call for more info....


Excellent suggestion, Ron.  And as a further comment on DOS 6, if
you decide to install Windows standalone configuration completely,
in more than 1 directory on your hard drive, and use DOS 6 to
jump to a specific copy for each user, you could be saving yourself
many megs of disk space if you use the SETUP /N and /A technique!!


	Finns had to do their best last night when they played against Norway
in world champs. After two periods the score was still 0-0. This game was
quite much similar to the first game Finland played  (against France).
The norwegian goalie was very good and a bit lucky, too. In the third period
Juha Riihij{rvi scored 1-0 from a rebound, the time was around 5 mins or so.
The second goal was scored by Kari Harila, who shot straight from a faceoff
behind the Nowwegian goalie. Saku Koivu, the 18-year-old center got his first
point of this tournament. Saku Koivu played very well througout the game and he
was awarded the best player of the game- prize. Despite the fact that he is
quite small in size he handles the puck very well and is a fast skater.
I think that we will hear from this guy in the future.


I'm trying to turn on Xauthorization using MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE on my servers
(CPU heads, HP700RX Xterminals), but I'm running into a couple of problems.

First, at least one of our applications (Maple) doesn't seem to understand
how to deliver the magic cookie, and won't run on a display with authorization
turned on.

Second, we have people with client software on remote machines, and I
really don't want to hassle them with having to copy their .Xauthority
file to the remote machine... assuming that the clients there support
Xauthorization.

So, what I would like to do is turn on MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE by default, with
non-privileged users able to turn it off - dropping back to host-based
authorization.

(Yes, I know how to turn it off by changing the Xconfig file for the
heads and the Client Authorize setting for the Xterminals, but
non-privileged users can't do this.)

I've checked with the HP Support Line, and there doesn't appear to be a way.
Can anyone confirm this, or do you know of a way to accomplish what I
want?

BTW, I'm running HPUX 9.0, and Vue 3.0.

Thanks in advance,
Rick
--

Rick McTeague
Electrical Engineering Department, Speed Scientific School
University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292
(502) 588-7020

Internet: sysrick@starbase.spd.louisville.edu


Nonsense.

Mike, in Heinlein's "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" decides that a weapon is some
mechanism which allows you to deliver energy at a distance.  (I don't
have the book handy or I'd find the exact quote).

Guns do that.

Cryptosystems do not.


Once again, Koresh closed the door on an agent with a search warrant,
and the door was then perforated by a rain of bullets from the
inside.

They shot first.


  (stuff deleted)

    [First point. What they are doing is wrong, just as what
Joseph's brothers did was wrong, just as what Judas did was wrong.
They intend it for evil. If God somehow brings good out of it, that
does not make them any less subject to just condemnation and
punishment.
     Second point. Of course, God will bring good out of it. But not
the same good that He would have brought if the Serbians had
refrained from the sins of robbery and rape and murder. Nor does the
good He purposes excuse us from the duty of doing what is right.]


I have a few just bought a new phone/answering machine combo so I really
don't need my present setup. Both items are in great condition. Prices
DO NOT include shipping. If you have any questions contact me by E-Mail
or call me at (814)234-4439.

Darryl

========================================================================
Toshiba FT6000 Cordless Phone                                       $40
  - Rubber antenna, 10 number memory


With all the recent problems the Indians have been having
with their pitching staff I have heard numerous names
thrown around about who could solve their problem.

One name I have not heard is Mike Soper (RP).  As far as
I know, Soper has had pretty good minor league stats.
Why not give the kid a chance?  Anyone know anything about
this guy?

--


Anyone happen to know what the max resolution for quicktime is?  I'm
trying to determine if a maxed out system using quicktime could produce
and edit broadcast quality video (including bringing the video in via
video spigot/etc.).  So far I have yet to see anything that's even close
to S-VHS in quicktime, but it'd be great to hear that it's possible.


Hi.  Does anyone know the possible causes of nasoparynx carcenoma
and what are the chances of it being hereditary?

Also, in the advacned cases, what is the general procedure to
reduce the pain the area as it prevents the patient from eating
due to the excessive pain of swallowing and even talking?

Thanks.


Gee, I think there are some real criminals (robbers, muderers, drug
addicts) who appear to be fun loving caring people too.  So what's
your point?  Is it OK. just because the people are nice?


lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu:

pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz):

lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu:

pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz):

    For both these questions, it's an inclusive or.  Alpha plus stencil is
supported (they're separate), as is double-buffered stereo.


Hello,

        Just one quick question:
        My father has had a back problem for a long time and doctors
        have diagnosed an operation is needed. Since he lives down in
        Mexico, he wants to know if there is a hospital anywhere in
        the United States particulary famous for this kind of surgery,
        kind of like Houston has a reputation for excellent doctors
        in eye surgery. Any additional info or pointers will be
        appreciated a whole lot!...

                Thanks in Advance.


Ok, I just got a new 486/66 16 Mb, with a ATI Ultra pro and I can't get
into windows. It says that I need more memory available, but I have 15mb
ogf extended mem & 512k of conventionnal. I have disabled my memory aperture
because it didn't find any "FREE" memory, but it still gave me a message that
the memory aperture will conflict with system memory. I think that's why
it want to get in Windows.

Any help will greatly be appriciated.

Please Reply by mail, because this site is a week late on News

					Thanks


Arthur Clarke may have quoted the comment about knowing you're to be
hanged in the morning concentrating a man's mind wonderfully, but the
source of the comment is Samuel Johnson.

(Pardon me if you already knew that.)


Can you say "*expensive*" ?


I think I can explain the "missing part of a leaf" story.

I have actually seen a reproduction of that particular Kirlian
photograph, in a book compiled by people who were enthusiasts of
Kirlian photography.  "That particular photograph" ... ?  That's
right, the effect has been observed only once.  Even the writers of
the book were inclined to disbelieve in it.

I conjecture that the maker of that photograph began by placing
a whole leaf between two plates and taking its Kirlian photo.
For his next experiment, he cut the leaf in half, put one half down
between the same two plates, and took another K. p.  The
"missing half" effect was created by water, oils, etc. left behind
after the first photo.

This explanation must be tentative, because after all I wasn't there
when it happened.


Frank Benson:

Another spelling flame?

Aren't you the guy who threatens people on talk.politics.guns?  2nd
amendment yea, 1st amendment nay.


If you have any information on artificial intelligence in medicine, then I
would appreciate it if you could mail me with whatever it is. The informations
is needed for a project.

Thank you, Ian.


I guess the real question is:

Who asked the original questions, and why was it so _broad_.
Are we talking pure processing power (what kind of processing BTW)
isolated from every other factor and influence in the system?
Or are we shopping for a home computer based on the CPU specs (yuck)!

I just finished a project that involves real-time processing of serial
data and discovered that the programming interface (assembly) has
_a lot_ to do with the "power" of a CPU in a particular application.
If what you want to do is easy to code with the instruction set given,
then not only is it easy, but it's cheap and quick.  If you have to
fake things (like resolving indirection without a LEA instruction), then
your cycle count goes through the roof!

well, let's _NOT_ start a flame war about whose computer is better than whose.
The orginal question was about classifying micro-processors...
having re-read the entire thread, I don't think much more can be said without
getting down into specific proposed systems with important details given.

That's it for another $0.02.

Cheers everyone.

~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  Peter Pundy

  Email: 2545500@jeff-lab.queensu.ca


I've been using Windows NT (tm) since the October release, and I have to
say that the March release is really a big improvement.  Windows NT (tm)
is becomming usable.

There are a few things to consider before you make the leap though.
First (for me at least) is that you cannot get a full-speed DOS box.
What I mean is, I cannot (for instance) run Falcon 3.0 or any other
resourse intensive program in a DOS box.  It absolutley crawls.
And my machine is a 486/33 with a 330MB HD and 16MB RAM.  If anyone
knows how to get a fast DOS box (or full-screen for that matter),
please let me know.

The second thing is there are still not many drivers around for stuff.
For instance, my PAS-16 has been demoted to running as a Sound Blaster
(which is natively supported -- nice), because MediaVision hasn't
produced drivers yet.

Your disk should be large enough to keep an 80MB DOS partition, and
give the rest over to Windows NT (tm).  The only thing is, whenever
you wanted to run Windows programs, you'd have to reboot and log into
Windows NT (tm), instead of just typing WIN.

Windows NT (tm) does seem to be much more stable than normal Windows
though.  It'd be a good choice if you have the resources.  You should
really have *at LEAST* 8MB RAM though.  One last thing, modems work
well enough, but I have yet to get my FAX card to work, and I've never
heard of anyone else who did either.

It's only better than UNIX because it runs killer software out of the
box, whereas with UNIX there isn't the same availablity.

I guess it comes down to -- Windows NT (tm) is not yet for the faint
of heart, it's still a beta.  But it's a very GOOD beta.

--


This was reported in Canadian papers Thursday, 22 April - I _think_ the
source was UPI, but don't recall for certain.

I understand that at least two goverment investigations have been ordered,
so we may learn more during their hearings.

Tough call without more investigation, but if the thermal imaging story
holds up, I think the government will be more credable... of course,
paranoia fans won't believe their results anyway, will they?

Hear, hear! I'd also like to see the autopsy reports confirm news reports
that multiple victims were found shot (in the head), and in positions
inconsistent with fire victims. It is simply too early to draw conclusions
either way about this nasty incident, but I tend to believe the government
side.


And I lived out there too.  It was a nice sleepy farm valley until
the Butler family decided to stick up all sorts of really tacky
High RIse office buildings and ruin my view of the sky.

I guess i should have sued somebody :-;


It is not a matter of dis-belief but a matter of which of their constantly
(and radically) changing stories we are to believe.

Steve B.


Items for sale.....

This package was bought throught a award give-away company. I attempted
to cancel my order before I received the package, but I was too late and
the company refused to take the package back for refund. I know the truth
which I would never get my $697 back, but I wish to get my money back as
close as possible. Here is the describtion of the package...

Nishika 3D camera	It takes very good picture, never been opended
			or used. It came with wide angle flesh, carring
			case, film, and a instruction video. It has four
			lens and created a 3D effect on a regular 35mm
			film.

Jewelry			It came with the package as additional gift.

Bahama vacation voucher	The voucher is good for two RT airfare to Freeport.
			The users get a special hotel rate of $27 per-person
			per-night. Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is
			_not_ included.

Las Vegas, Reno, Orlando	The voucher provides one RT airfare, and
				hotel accomodation for 3 days/ 2 nights.
				Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is not
				included. The voucher is good for all 3
				locations, but you can't travel to all 3
				places at once.

Cancun, Mexico		The voucher provides one RT airfare, and hotel
			accomodation for 3 days / 2 nights. Meals and
			ground transfer, hotel tax is not included as
			usual.

I paid $697 for the whole package. So try not to be cold-blooded when you
make your offer. Details would be provided by request. I do wish to sell
the whole package at once. So if you are just looking for the vacation
vouchers, I don't care if you sell the camera to other for a higher pric
If you are interested in the camera, you could treat the vacation vouchers
as gift.

If you receive a letter in your mail box which says that you are selected
to be part of the sweeptake and you have at least one out of five awards.
Trust me, you would get the exactly the same package as I did. There is
only one award which will be given away. So don't bother even to call them
back, if you are really interested, you could get it from me for a cheaper
price. And you could receive the package within a week ( I waited three
months to get my first and final packages). Also, they would ask for your
credit card number and you have to pay for the interest to the credit
card company. So why spend more than you should when you could get them
from me for a cheaper price.

If you are interested, please reply to me as soon as posible. I really
wish to get this over with. Make me an offer, if I am confortable with
your offer, I would send the package by U.P.S. the next day morning.
More details could be given if you wish.

Please contact me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu


Say WHAT?  Surrounding the compound with armed men and throwing
grenades isn't a provocation?

You're smoking something not legal in the US.  They never rang the
doorbell.  Not even the BATF has claimed that they have. This was a
no-knock search.

As to the good reason the BATF has-- the warrant and supporting
affadavit have not been made public.


I too am a Jules Verne collector, and can tell you that though tough
to find, it *is* out there.  I keep my eyes open all the time for his
books at various Bay Area used book stores, and every once in a while
get *very* lucky.  You just need diligence.  I don't know if the book
store situation near JSC is as good as the Bay Area, but good luck.
I have also had excellent luck at the Antiquarian Book Fair which comes
to SF every other year, though the prices are more in the $100-$200 range
than the $50 you want to spend.  My guess is that *if* you find it,
you won't need to spend even that much, since most people don't care
about it.  I think I paid about $15 for my dust-jacket-less but otherwise
good condition copy, which I found one day at a small bookshop that happened
to have just bought a lot of random books at an estate sale.

Of course, if you re willing to buy blind, you can put a $2 advertisement
in the Antiquarian Bookseller's newsletter (the exact title of which escapes
me at the moment.)  _Five Weeks in a Balloon_ is not the rarest of Jules
Verne books.  Someone has it for sale somewhere, and the AB is the way to
find it.  In fact, I would be surprised if you didn't get multiple offers
of sale.  Of course, that takes the fun out of hunting for it yourself...

Good luck.


A good reason (which is why many companies use it) for 48 bits / pixel
is so you can use double buffering (for animating scenes) - i.e. you have
2 * 24-bit planes. You write to the one in the background, and then FLIP!
-- the entire screen updates to the second image-plane. The screen updates
in one refresh and you don't see different objects appearing in the order
that they're drawn (as in the CAD/MacDraw effect). Now your ready to update
the image that used to be in the foreground.

Steve. (thssstb@iitmax.iit.edu / iris.iit.edu)


Hello Cliff

Many people on the internet (like us) have to pay for
every byte of data passed through subscribed news groups.

Bitmaps are large. Bitmaps cost us a lot of money. There are
special news-groups for bitmaps because of this. We don't
subscribe to them. Put you bitmaps in the right place.
Read one of the FAQ guides in the newuser groups and it
will tell you all about bitmaps and the thousands of
establishments like mine that you have just cost money.

Some of them have very limited budgets.

Go away.

P.S. This is a flame ;-)
P.P.S You distribution of "usa" didn't work.

KenB


Oh..
just a note, my usually poor typing is made even more dificult by the
small keyboard and mutiple connections I am piped through in order
to access news while here in DC.

I'm really not trying to irritate the spelling mavens :-)

LUX ./. owen


Yes, I want to read such a article.


I ran out of time on my last reply to this string and I don't
know if it was sent or not but. I have never heard of anyone that
had to return something in the 30 grace peried that had a problem
at all with Midwest Micro. They may of thought that you didn't
know what you were doing and suggested how to correct the problem.
But it sounded as you didn't give them much of a chance to correct
things at all. The fact that the PPI worked okay for you is because
it is setup more for the no nothing user that can't understand the
instruction and the commands to configure it to his/her system.
When you find out things like the fact the the EC led that looks like
you have connected to another EC modem, doesn't realy say that.
But that it only tells you that you have EC turned on, on your modem.
I think that these LED are nothing more that just light to hype up
the product. Just like I bet someone took home a few extra $$$
in the last year for giving the PPI modems the PC-Magazine award
of the year. Not so for the stash (12) of them that I saw on my test
bench. I could go on for hours at no end as to all of the problems
that I found with the PPI modems but I will try to control myself.
I will not even go into the 6 weeks it took PPI to credit my card
back for the modems after they had received them back...no I will
not go into that one nor will I go into talking to the parent co.
co from Hayes. I'll just say I hope you like your new modem and
maybe someone that can understand how to setup a modem will get
the one that you sent back, maybe a good friend of mine I hope!


: :  So what is Kibology? Chopped liver?
: Kibo Himself summed it up by saying "Kibology is not just a religion, it is
: also a candy mint ... and a floor wax." I personally think that it is more
: like Spam Clear.
: :


FIRST ANNUAL PHIGS USER GROUP CONFERENCE

          The First Annual PHIGS User Group Conference was held March 21-24
          in Orlando, Florida.  The conference was organized by the Rensse-
          laer Design Research Center in co-operation with  IEEE  and  SIG-
          GRAPH.   Attendees  came  from five countries spanning three con-
          tinents.   A  good  cross-section  of  the  PHIGS  community  was
          represented  at this conference with participants including PHIGS
          users, workstation vendors, third-party PHIGS implementors, stan-
          dards  committee  members,  and  researchers  from  industry  and
          academia.  The opening speaker, Dr. Richard Puk, challenged PHIGS
          users  to  "take  charge of your PHIGS" by participating in PHIGS
          standardization activities and communicating their needs to PHIGS
          implementors.    The   closing  speaker,  Dr.  Andries  Van  Dam,
          described his vision of the future of graphics standards  "beyond
          PHIGS".

          Technical paper sessions in the conference covered the  following
          topics:  PHIGS  and  X, Application Toolkits, Application Issues,
          Texture Mapping, NURBS,  PHIGS  Extensions,  and  Object-Oriented
          Libraries and Frameworks.  Panel sessions on PHIGS and PEX, PHIGS
          Non-Retained Data, Real-World CAD Applications Using  PHIGS,  and
          Portability  Issues generated enthusiastic discussions and formed
          a good forum for exchange of ideas, needs, and experiences.   The
          conference  also included a day full of tutorials on topics rang-
          ing from mathematics for 3D  graphics  to  object-oriented  tools
          based on PHIGS.

          Next year's conference is planned for March, 1994.

          PHIGS EVERYWHERE

          At the conference, PHIGS  vendors   described   and  demonstrated
          PHIGS  products  that  run on all types of computers, from PCs to
          mainframes.

          Megatek Corporation demonstrated their PHIGS extensions including
          conditional traversal, composite logical input devices, texturing
          and translucency.

          Template Graphics  Software  launched  FIGARO+  PRO,  the  Photo-
          Realistic  Option  for  PHIGS+.  FIGARO+  PRO  is designed to add
          advanced rendering to the existing PHIGS+ API, with features like
          ray   tracing,  materials,  anti-aliasing  and  texture  mapping.
          Radiosity support is also planned.

          FIGARO+ is an example of how TGS continues to add newly  emerging
          graphics  features to their products.  FIGARO+ supports immediate
          mode extensions to PHIGS and also supports SUN XGL,  HP  Starbase
          and SGI GL/OpenGL. FIGARO+ for NT will be released this summer.

          TGS also demonstrated the latest versions of FIGraph, a  powerful
          "2-call"  charting  system  based on PHIGS+, and FIGt, an object-
          oriented utility library for PHIGS/PEX developers.

          G5G and Gallium Software demonstrated a new version of GPHIGS  on
          Silicon  Graphics  workstations. Scheduled for summer, 1993, Ver-
          sion 3.0 of GPHIGS, the company's  PHIGS+  library  for  worksta-
          tions,  will include an advanced PHIGS debugger that allows PHIGS
          developers to display and browse PHIGS structures and other PHIGS
          internal  state.  G5G  also  described  their Non-Duplicated Data
          Store that stores pointers to application data in the GPHIGS  CSS
          for  more  efficient  use  of  memory. In addition, G5G described
          their application GSE that allows application callback  functions
          during  GPHIGS traversal.  GPHIGS and PHIGURE, G5G's data visual-
          izer and application development toolkit, are currently available
          on  all  major  workstations  that support GL, X Windows, PEX, or
          Starbase.

          Wise Software presented a slide show of  Z-PHIGS  for  MS-Windows
          and ARENA, a PHIGS based modeller/render. Z-PHIGS implements most
          of the PHIGS+ primitives.  In addition Z-PHIGS has built in  many
          advanced  rendering features like texture mapping, shadow genera-
          tion, area quick updates and ray tracing. A demo disk of  Z-PHIGS
          or ARENA is available on request.

          ATC exhibited GRAFPAK-PHIGS, their full-featured PHIGS  implemen-
          tation  based  on  DEC  PHIGS. GRAFPAK-PHIGS is available on most
          workstation platforms with C, FORTRAN and Ada bindings and incor-
          porates PEX support.

          Within the booth sponsored by Advanced Technology Center, Digital
          Equipment  Corporation demonstrated DEC PHIGS V2.4 running on the
          DEC 3000/400 AXP PXG. ATCs' GRAFPAK-PHIGS is a port of DEC PHIGS.
          DEC  PHIGS  V2.4 contains most PHIGS and PHIGS PLUS features with
          support for PEX V5.1  protocol.  DEC  PHIGS  also  contains  most
          GM/EDS   PHIGS  extensions  including  post-to-view  as  well  as
          proprietary extensions to support immediate  mode  rendering  and
          the use of PHIGS in an X11 environment.

          AXP, DEC, and DEC PHIGS are trademarks of Digital Equipment  Cor-
          poration.  GRAFPAK-PHIGS and ATC are trademarks of Advanced Tech-
          nology Center. PEX and X11 are trademarks of Massachusetts Insti-
          tute of Technology.

          The IBM exhibit featured a GTO accelerator attached to an IBM 340
          workstation running graPHIGS and PEX.

          Hewlett Packard and SHOgraphics demonstrated at the conference. A
          Hewlett  Packard  machine was coupled to display on a SHOgraphics
          PEX terminal. HP showcased their latest  PHIGS  product  enhance-
          ments.

          PHIGS USER GROUP

          The PHIGS Users Group was formed to aid the development of  PHIGS
          applications  and provide user feedback to PHIGS implementors and
          PHIGS standards bodies.  For more  information  about  the  PHIGS
          Users Group, send e-mail to:

                    phigsug@cadrt10.me.vt.edu

          or write to:

                    Sankar Jayaram
                    Virginia Polytechnic Institute
                    114 Randolph Hall
                    Blacksburg, Va. 24061-0238
                    FAX: 703-231-9100

          VENDOR CONTACTS

          Megatek Corporation
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          COPIES OF THE CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS

          Copies of the conference proceedings may be obtained by  contact-
          ing Mary Johnson at:

                    Johnson, Mary
                    Design and Manufacturing Institute
                    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
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You should realize that form letters are the *worst* way to influence
your congresscritters; exact copies are routinely placed on the lowest
rung of the opinion ladder.

If you want to write (and I think you should!), take the time to really
*write* a letter.  Things to emphasize:

	- It's been said that Usenet is available to the 'technical
	  elite', i.e. the techies at corporate sites and universi-
	  ties.  Emphasize that you are part of the group that will
	  be making/developing/using Clinton's 'data superhighway.'

	- Explain how you are intimately familiar with both computing
	  and data communications. (if this is the case; don't call your-
	  self an 'expert' after wiring in a 1200 bps modem.)   This
	  will distinguish your letter from the random flamers.  Don't
	  turn it into braggadocio; just tell them that you know the
	  technical sides of the issue.

	- Don't overdo jargon and gobbledygook.  Remember, your letter
	  will be first read (in all likelihood) by a staffer who may
	  even be a college student; if they don't understand it, your
	  views won't even make the 'running total' sheets.

	- Be concise; don't ramble.  Rants are *definitely* out of place.
	  Cite references, if necessary, but only use "accepted" references
	  like academic journals.  "My neighbor Jim" is *not* a real refer-
	  ence.  8)

	- Unfortunately, very few Congresscritters *really* understand
	  electronic communications.  Encourage them to pick up access
	  to Compuserve, America Online, or one of the Free-Nets.  Offer
	  to send them samples.  If you are in a position to do so, offer
	  them (or their staffers back in the home state) access to your
	  systems.  Offer to give a demonstration the next time they're in
	  town.  Your offer to get *personally* involved in helping them
	  *will* give your opinions more credence.

	- In addition to sending mail to your representatives, send mail
	  to the members of the committee (or subcommittee) that is dealing
	  with the issue.  If your Congresscritter isn't on the committee,
	  they can't be of much help until the matter comes to the floor.

--Wes

ps> I'd suggest drawing analogies between digital communication and the
    more traditional media, but Usenet doesn't have a decent track record
    in the analogy department.  8)


Sorry, but I just wanted to be the first hypocrite to say it. I hope
I'm not too late. Has everyone been watching their local/national
politicians?

Rick


Okay, I'll bite.  How can OBP be *lower* than batting average?
Sac flies or something?


dir


I wouldn't worry too much about it, though.  We are starting to find
out how politically impotent homosexuals really are.  The Colorado
boycott has fizzled, Slick Willie was effectively prevented from
implementing his military policy wrt homosexuals by members of his
_OWN_ party, this new study casts a large shadow of doubt on their
claims of large numbers, and coming this Saturday they are going to
wind up with _TREMENDOUS_ egg on their face when, I submit, no more
than perhaps 35,000 queers will show up in Washington while they are
promising crowds in the millions.  And most of the ones who will be
there will look like ACT-UP and Queer Nation, not the guy working in
the next cubicle.  As if that's really going to play in middle
America.

Pretty soon they will find themselves retreating back into the closet
where they belong.


It is possible that the individual saw a true prophetic vision, but that he
interpreted the scale of time and space according to his material con-
sciousness, translating the supersensible perceptions of a plane above
that of time and space into an immediate worldly context -- and getting it
wrong.  Not that he did it rationally, but rather that unconsciously the
perceptions became clothed in material images, instead of remaining in the
realm of the potential and not-yet-time-space-bound.  This difficulty of
translating prophetic vision into a concrete when and where has always been
difficult, even for the prophets of old.  That is why their prophecies are
so often subject to multiple interpretations.  Likewise, the Apostles seemed
to feel that the return of the Lord was to be "very soon" in the sense of
perhaps the same generation. Yet the meaning of "very soon" has proven to
be different than they could grasp.  Prophetic vision tends to telescope
time, so that things that are far off appear to be very close.

Another possibility is that the vision was one of a real event preparing to
happen, again in the realm of the potential-but-not-yet-manifest and which
was thwarted by other forces, including possibly an act of divine mercy.

There are many concrete prophecies being made these days by devout and
sincere and sober Christians (and others too).  It seems that great coming
events are really casting their shadow before their arrival in these
"apocalyptic" times.  The various predictions (I'm talking about those that
appear to be sincere and sober) are hard to accept, yet hard to ignore com-
pletely.  One has the feeling "something is about to start to get ready to
begin to commence to happen".  We are living, as the Chinese saying goes,
in interesting times.

As for how to discriminate, the Bible doesn't help much.  There is an Old
Testament passage (I forget where it is) that says you will know whether
a prophet is true by whether or not his prophecy comes to pass.  That
helps eliminate the failures after the fact, but in the case of an earth-
quake it is small comfort.  It seems to me that all prophecies that give
specific times and places and events should be suspect, not in that they
are necessarily false, but in the sense stated above, that all such visions
are subject to mistranslation from the plane of prophetic vision to the
plane of earthly time and space.

For what it is worth, Rudolf Steiner once was asked whether a modern initiate
could see into the future and predict coming events.  His answer was that
it would be possible but then he would have to withdraw from active parti-
cipation in them, including proclaiming what he saw.  If this is in fact
a spiritual law, then the answer to your question about how to discriminate
is that the one who makes such prophecies is probably violating that law,
knowingly or unknowingly, and as such his message should be considered
a priori to be dubious.  I.e. I would expect that those capable of making
true predictions and giving accurate expression to them would not do so in
the way that the prophet of the Oregon earthquake did.  However, I can
sympathize with the person who published the prophecy. Given the same
overwhelming experience that he apparently had,  I too might feel impelled,
and even commissioned by God to tell my fellow human beings about what
I had seen.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)


In 1967, when I was a grad student at UW in Seattle I had a chance to
read Hoover's book "Masters of Deceit", and I quote a sentence (from
memory):

"and beware my fellow Americans, a communist may look just as an
ordinary person..."

I went to the mirror and it was true.

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      Give ME a break, chum.  Are you telling me that Clinton and
      Reno DID NOT KNOW that the BATF actions were ILLEGAL, adn
      in VIOLATION of their warrant?


As a guess, Hamilton would be put into the Midwest, with either
Winnipeg or Dallas moving to the Pacific.


Yeah, it's the second one.  And I believe that price too.  I've been trying
to get a good look at it on the Bruin-Sabre telecasts, and wow! does it ever
look good.  Whoever did that paint job knew what they were doing.  And given
Fuhr's play since he got it, I bet the Bruins are wishing he didn't have it:)


I am considering creating a "demo" for the IBM PC for my band.
I would like to combine interesting graphics and a sample of
my music in the program.  I have seen things like this
done for other platforms, and even a few for the PC, but since
I'm completly new to this, I have no idea wher to start.
I'm pretty sure that I am not skilled enough to put this
together, but I was hoping that you (collectivly) could
A. Let me know what issues I need to worry about, things I
   Should take into consideration when developing the
   concept.
B. Perhaps someone knows of a programmer/artist who would be interested
   in this type of a project.

I know these are rather broad questions, but any information
would be most helpful.  Thanks!!


Here is the short answer: because only
certain marriages are recorded in Heaven.

Now for the long answer:

In Doctrine and Covenants section 132, the
chapter discussing eternal marriage (and, yes,
plural marriage), the distinction between
sealings under the priesthood and other
marriages is revealed.

When "the children of this world marry, or are
given in marriage" when they receive "the
resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are
given in marriage" (Luke 20:34-35).
Jesus was simply teaching that marriages "until
death do you part" are not in force after death.

However, the Doctrine and Covenants continues
describing eternal marriage.

D&C 132:19
   And again, verily I say unto you, if a
man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and
by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is
sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise,
by him who is anointed this power and the keys
of this priesthood; ... [ shortened for brevity AI]
and shall be of full force when they are out of
the world; and they shall pass by the angels,
and the gods, which are set there, to their
exhaltation and glory in all things, as hath been
sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a
fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever
and ever.

The Lord told Peter "whatsoever thou shalt bind
on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matt 16:19).
Do you doubt that Peter was given the power to
perform sealings?
Peter thought so because he taught that husbands
and wives were "heirs *together* of the grace of
life" (1 Peter 3:7).

"In order to obtain the highest" (degree of
celestial glory), a man must enter into this
order of the priesthood" (D&C 131:2).
When a man and wife are sealed they truly become
"one flesh" because their eternal "increase"
(destinies) are enjoined completely.

Our Father has an eternal companion (and maybe
more because of the plural marriage conditions
of the law) who participated in our creation
and is equally concerned with our progress here.

There is no scriptural basis for this doctrine.
If fact, the only mention of our Mother is in
one verse of a hymn written early in the history
of the Church:

    O My Father

    I had learned to call thee Father,
    Through thy Spirit from on high,
    But, until the key of knowledge
    Was restored, I knew not why.
    In the heav'ns are parents single?
    No, the thought makes reason stare!
    Truth is reason; truth eternal
    Tells me I've a mother there.

Why don't we hear more about our Mother?

1.  Because our Father presides under Priesthood
authority (which is not a calling for Her);

2.  Because we don't all (necessarily) have the
same Mother it would be confusing for worship;

3.  Because our Father wishes to withhold Her
name and titles because of how some people
degrade sacred things.


I was in fact going to suggest that Roger take his way of discussion over
to r.s.football.pro. There this kind of hormone-only reasoning is the
standard. Being he canadian, and hockey what it is, I would have suggested
that r.s.h would work too. It is important in a thread that everyone
involved use the same body part to produce a post (brain being the organ
of choice here).


 crud deleted...

You are missing out on a lot of neat old rides.
--
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)


Well, no.  Although I admit that's more exciting than a rat killer.
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic


Hi,

I posted that article. Unfortunately I haven't seen any further notice of
it. They advertize cheaper Duo's at the U here for next wek. According
to the articel though, the price cut had to be effective the same day.

newsbyte is a group of news like clarinet.


I've been reading the sci.crypt, alt.privacy.clipper and comp.org.eff.talk
discussions about the Clipper chip and find (as usual) that most of us
think alike -- so there's a lot of repitition.  If each of these messages
were sent to Clinton as well as to the net (or instead of to the net), we
might actually have some effect.

	0005895485@MCIMAIL.COM  (White House)


I posted this once but didn't receive any responses.

I've been looking for a good notebook for about $1700.  My two
favorites are the Zeos Freestyle/SL and the Micro something or
other Winbook (the one with the Apple Powerbook style trackball
and handrest and the 486SLC).

Any suggestions on others?  I'd love to hear from someone who has
one of the two mentioned above, too.


Hello,

		I have two 3b1s for sale. One of them is a 1MB RAM
	and the other one is a 2MB RAM system. They are both running
	the 3.51m version and I have loaded lots of software on them
	from the network like gcc, emacs, tex/latex and so on. I am
	asking $500 for the 1MB, and $650 for the 2MB model or best
	offer.

______________________________________________________________________________
 Odysseas Pentakalos				odysseas@umbc7.umbc.edu or
 University of Md. Electrical Engineering Dept.
					odysseas@polaris.medinfo.ab.umd.edu
 (301) 498-3749					(410) 706-2042


Yup.

I expect better from you, 'Mau'. No, I take that back, I don't. The
treaty on the exchange of the Turkish and Greek minorities (1923) left
no Greek minority in Turkiye, except a few thousand Greeks in istanbul.
Turkiye is no longer an obstacle for 'Pan-Hellenism.' Although the material
basis of Greek policy is no longer visible, there is a residue, which
seems to unite the Pelopenisians, the Greeks who came from Asia Minor,
the Greeks who are originally from the islands of the Marmara Sea
or those who live in the numerous Aegean islands. This residue is
also recognizable in the contemporary Greek government.

Not a chance. Greece lost in each and every war conducted "solely"
between Greece and Turkiye: in the Morea in 1821, in Thessaly in
1897-98, and in Anatolia in 1922. After the Ottoman Empire lost
World War I, the British landed in 1919 a 200,000 Greek army in
Izmir to exterminate the people of Turkiye. Are you suffering
from a severe case of amnesia? The tired and defeated Turks rose up,
formed a National Force under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal, and
on August 30, 1922 they annihilated the bulk of the Greek Army.

I love people who don't read and then spout myths as evidence. Where
were Greeks in 1912 and 1913? I guess, they were busy with...

  Greek Efforts to Decimate the Jewish Population of Salonica
             Culminated in 1912 and 1913

  <<Those Jews who survived these assaults in Southeastern Europe fled
  particularly to Salonica, whose Jewish population increased substantially
  as a result, from 28,000 in 1876 to 90,000 in 1908, more than half the
  total population, though even there increased persecution by local Greeks
  led many Jews to flee elsewhere in the Ottoman Empire, particularly to
  the great port of Izmir.

  Despite all the pressure from Ottomans and foreign Jews alike, the ritual
  murders and other assaults by Christians on Jews went on and on. Greek
  efforts to decimate the Jewish population of Salonica culminated in 1912
  and 1913, following Greek conquest of Salonica during the first Balkan War,
  when many of its Jews, were either killed or terrorized into leaving...>>

  <<Though Greece was obligated by the post World War I treaties to allow
  Jews and other minorities to use their own languages in education and to
  practice their religions without hindrance, a law was issued in 1923
  which forbad all inhabitants from working on Sunday, stimulating a new
  Jewish exodus as it was intended to do. Between 1932 and 1934 there was a
  series of anti-Semitic riots in Salonica, with the Cambel quarter, where
  most of the remaining Jews lived, being burned to the ground. This
  was followed by regulations requiring the use of Greek and prohibiting
  Hebrew and Judea-Spanish in the Jewish schools. A start was made also
  on expropriating the land of the principal Jewish cemetery in Salonica
  for use by the new University in order to derive the Jews out [47]. By
  killing and driving out large numbers of Jews, the Greeks left a
  substantial Greek majority in the city for the first time, and starting
  Salonica Jewry on the way to its final decimation by the Nazis during the
  occupation of Greece starting in 1941.

  Salonica and Izmir of course were not the only places of refuge for
  Jewish refugees entering the Empire during its last century of existence.
  Istanbul, Edirne, and other parts of Rumelia and Anatolia received
  thousands more. Nor were Jews the only refugees received and helped by
  the government of the Sultan. Thousands of Muslims accompanied them in
  flight from similar persecutions wherever Balkan christian states gained
  independence or expanded. The Russian conquest of the Crimea and the
  Caucasus starting in the late eighteenth century, and particularly during
  and after the Crimean War, combined with the same independence movements
  in Southeastern Europe that had caused so much suffering and flight among
  its Jews caused thousands of helpless, ill, and poverty-stricken Muslim
  refugees to accompany them into the ever shrinking boundaries of the
  Ottoman Empire, with the Istanbul government struggling mightly but vainly
  to house and feed them as best it could. From 1850 to 1864 as many as
  800,000 Crimean Tatars, Circassians, and other Muslims from north and
  east of the Black Sea had entered Anatolia alone, as many as 200,000 more
  came during the next twenty years, while 474,389 refugees entered in 1876-
  1877 as a result of the Ottoman wars with Russia and the Balkan states,
  with an equal number gaining refuge in the European portions of the
  Empire.>>

[47] Robert Mantran, 'La structure sociale de la communaute juive de
  Salonqiue a la fin du dix-neuvieme siecle', RH no.534 (1980), 391-92;
  Nehama VII, 762; Joseph Nehama (Salonica) to AIU (Paris) no.2868/2,
  12 May 1903 (AIU Archives I-C-43); and no.2775, 10 January 1900 (AIU
  Archives I-C-41), describing daily battles between Jewish and Greek
  children in the streets of Salonica. Benghiat, Director of Ecole Moise
  Allatini, Salonica, to AIU (Paris), no.7784, 1 December 1909 (AIU
  Archives I-C-48), describing Greek attacks on Jews, boycotts of Jewish
  shops and manufacturers, and Greek press campaigns leading to blood libel
  attacks. Cohen, Ecole Secondaire Moise Allatini, Salonica, to AIU (Paris),
  no.7745/4, 4 December 1912 (AIU Archives I-C-49) describes a week of terror
  that followed the Greek army occupation  of Salonica in 1912, with the
  soldiers pillaging the Jewish quarters and destroying Jewish synagogues,
  accompanied by what he described as an 'explosion of hatred' by local
  Greek population against local Jews and Muslims. Mizrahi, President of the
  AIU at Salonica, reported to the AIU (Paris), no.2704/3, 25 July 1913
  (AIU Archives I-C-51) that 'It was not only the irregulars (Comitadjis)
  that massacred, pillaged and burned. The Army soldiers, the Chief of
  Police, and the high civil officials also took an active part in the
  horrors...', Moise Tovi (Salonica) to AIU (Paris) no.3027 (20 August 1913)
  (AIU Archives I-C-51) describes the Greek pillage of the Jewish quarter
  during the night of 18-19 August 1913.

(AIU = Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris.)

Serdar Argic


Much of Cook's later exploration was privately funded, by Joseph Banks
among others (eg in Resolution & the earlier Endeavour).  Colnett's voyage
to the Galapagos was substantially privately funded by the owners of
British whaling vessels.  Chancellor and Willoughby were privately funded
by London merchant companies in their voyages to Muscovy.  The list is
almost endless.  Those doing the funding were about eighty percent
motivated by potential profit, ten percent by potential glory and ten
percent by the desire to advance the sum of human knowledge.


The variance from perfect sphericity in a model of the earth small enough
to fit into your home would probably be imperceptible.

Any globe you can buy will be close enough.

--


To all netters,

  In my last post that concerning about the CYRIX 486DLC CPU, I said the
benchmark program COMPTEST stated there is a bug in CYRIX CPUs. This is NOT
true and I must apologize to the author of COMPTEST. The actual program
that gives this report is F-PROT 2.07, a virus detection and removal
program. The report stated there is a bug in the Cx486SLC but not DLC.
Sorry, sorry, sorry...


#
#                        A S T R O - F T P   L I S T
#                             Updated 28.04.1993
#
# This  is  a  short  description  of  anonymous-ftp  file  servers  containing
# astronomy  and space research related material.  I have  included only  those
# servers  where  there are  special subdirectories  for  astro stuff  or  much
# material  included into  a general  directories.  This list is not a complete
# data set of possible places,  so I would be very happy of all kind of notices
# and information depending on this listing.
#
# The newest version of this file is available via anonymous-ftp as:
#
#                nic.funet.fi:/pub/astro/general/astroftp.txt
#
# There are also many mirror (copy) archives  for  simtel-20.army.mil (PC)  and
# sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Mac) which are not included into this list. Only some
# of mirroring sites are listed.
#
#
#                                              Veikko Makela
#                                         Veikko.Makela@Helsinki.FI
#                                    *Computing Centre of Univ. Helsinki*
#                                      *Ursa Astronomical Association*

# Server, IP                          # Contents
# Directories

ames.arc.nasa.gov                     Spacecraf data and news,images,NASA data,
128.102.18.3                          Spacelink texts,VICAR software,FAQ
/pub/SPACE

arp.anu.edu.au                        Images
130.56.4.90
/pub/images/nasa

atari.archive.umich.edu               Atari
141.211.164.8
/atari/applications/astronomy

archive.afit.af.mil                   Satellite software,documents,elements
129.92.1.66
/pub/space

baboon.cv.nrao.edu                    AIPS document and patches,radioastronomy
192.33.115.103                        image processing,FITS test images
/pub/aips

c.scs.uiuc.edu                        ROSAT,Starchart(PC)
128.174.90.3
/pub

ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz                     PC
130.216.1.5
/msdos/astronomy                      (*) overseas connections refused

chara.gsu.edu                         Electronical Journal of ASA, Journal of
131.96.5.10                           ASA, SAC news
/

explorer.arc.nasa.gov                 Magellan, Viking and Voyager CDROMs
128.102.32.18
/cdrom

export.lcs.mit.edu                    XEphem distribution
18.24.0.12
/contrib/xephem

epona.physics.ucg.ie                  Some software, predictions, images,
140.203.1.3                           FITS info, miscellaneous
/pub/astro
/pub/space
/pub/fits

fits.cv.nrao.edu                      FITS documents, OS support, sample data,
192.33.115.8                          test files, sci.astro.fits archive
/FITS

ftp.cicb.fr                           Images
129.20.128.27
/pub/Images/ASTRO

ftp.cco.caltech.edu                   Astronomy magazine index 1991
131.215.48.200
/pub/misc

ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de                   PC,Amiga,Mac,Unix,images,general
130.149.17.7
/pub/astro

ftp.funet.fi                          PC,Mac,CP/M,Atari,Amiga,databases,Unix,
128.214.6.100                         HP48,OS/2,texts,News,solar reports,images,
/pub/astro                            Satellite elements,FAQ

ftp.uni-kl.de                         iauc,Vista image reduction,asteroids
131.246.9.95
/pub/astro

garbo.uwasa.fi                        PC
128.214.87.1
/pc/astronomy

gipsy.vmars.tuwien.ac.at              images
128.130.39.16
/pub/spacegifs

hanauma.stanford.edu                  Unix, satellite program, images
36.51.0.16
/pub/astro
/pub/astropix

hysky1.stmarys.ca                     ECU distribution
140.184.1.1
/pcstuff

idlastro.gsfc.nasa.gov                IDL routines
128.183.57.82
/

iraf.noao.edu                         IRAF Software
140.252.1.1
/iraf

julius.cs.qub.ac.uk                   Space Digest
143.117.5.6
/pub/SpaceDigestArchive

rata.vuw.ac.nz                        Astrophysical software
130.195.2.11
/pub/astrophys

kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov                   Satellite elements,spacecraft info
128.149.1.165
/pub/space

ns3.hq.eso.org                        Test images, Standards
134.171.11.4
/pub/testimages
/pub/standards

nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov                  HST,IUE,Astro-1,NSSDCA info,Spacewarn,
128.183.36.23                         FITS standard
/

plaza.aarnet.edu.au                   images,docs,Magellan
139.130.4.6
/graphics/graphics/astro
/magellan

pomona.claremont.edu                  Yale Bright Star Catalog
134.173.4.160
/YALE_BSC

pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov                  JPL news, status reports, images
128.149.6.2
/

ra.nrl.navy.mil                       Mac
128.60.0.21
/MacSciTech/astro

rascal.ics.utexas.edu                 Mac
128.83.138.20
/mac

rigel.acs.oakland.edu                 PC
141.210.10.117
/pub/msdos/astronomy

rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de           Atari
129.69.1.12
/soft/atari/applications/astronomy

simtel20.army.mil                     PC,CP/M
192.88.110.20
/msdos/educ
/cpm

sol.deakin.oz.au                      garbo.uwasa.fi c.
128.184.1.1
/pub/PC/chyde/astronomy

solbourne.solbourne.com               some PC programs
141.138.2.2
/pub/rp/as-is/astro

stardent.arc.nasa.gov                 Martian map
128.102.21.44
/pub

stsci.edu                             HSTMap(Mac),HST info
130.167.1.2
/Software

sumex.stanford.edu                    Mac
36.44.0.6
/info-mac/app

sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de            PC,misc
129.206.100.126
/pub/msdos/astronomy

techreports.larc.nasa.gov             NASA Langley technical reports
128.155.3.58
/pub/techreports/larc

tetra.gsfc.nasa.gov                   FITSIO subroutines
128.183.8.77
/pub

unbmvs1.csd.unb.ca                    Space geodesy,solar activity info
131.202.1.2
pub.canspace

vmd.cso.uiuc.edu                      Weather satellite images
128.174.5.98
/wx

world.std.com                         PC; source codes
192.74.137.5
/pub/astronomy

xi.uleth.ca                           Solar reports,auroral activity forecast
142.66.3.29                           maps,solar images,x-ray plot,coronal
/pub/solar                            emission plots

# Some abbreviations:
#
#   c = copy (mirror) of other archive


[massive dan blather mercifully deleted.]

Last time I checked, "amassing an arsenal" and practicing any kind of
religion were mentioned in passing in the Bill of Rights.  Guess it's
OK with you if we just brush 'em aside in order to justify killing
a bunch of religious nutcakes, eh?

Of all the idiots I run into in daily life, Dan, your type scare me the
most.  You'll accept expediency and a coward's safety over any belief
just as long as the government tells you to.  You assume that anyone who
doesn't comform to your beliefs and ways of thinking are wrong and
therefore bad.  Worse, you seem to accept without question what the
government says is wrong to be wrong.

David Koresh's religion was not mine but then again, neither are the baptists,
methodists, catholics or any of the rest of the corporate religions.  BUT
even though Koresh's, the Baptists, the methodists, etc, don't believe
the same way I do, I recognize that their religions are equally valid
to mine and more importantly are equally protected under the 1st Amendment.
You see, I'm not that much different than Koresh and I suspect many others
fit the same catagory.  I read the Bible many times and as I learned
from it, I discovered that a lot of what corporate religions practice
just isn't justified by MY interpretation of the Bible.  Therefore I go
my own way.  So did Koresh.  And neither you nor I nor anyone else,
either individually or collectively as the great socialist "we" has ANY
RIGHT WHATSOEVER to tell me or you or Koresh that our religions are wrong.

You seem to think that it would have been oh so easy for the Davidians to
just forsake everything they believed in and walk out of their compound
in order to "save themselves".  Think (if you're capable) for a moment
about some belief you hold dearest.  Would you abandon that belief if
suddenly told to do so by the government?  If you would do so you are
beneath contempt.  Let's assume you have a belief that you hold dear
enough to commit your life to.  Do you think it would be the correct
course of action for your government to initiate actions specifically
designed to force you to make that "forsake or die" decision?

The "forsake or die" option is exactly what the government forced on the
Davidians the day the first wave of black-clad stormtroopers fired that
first shot and tossed that first grenade.  The FBI clenched it on Day 51
when they sent in heavy armor against 80-some-odd men, women and
children holed up in a rickety old building and armed with small arms.  The
people who stayed, who held to their beliefs over personal safety, whose
individual personal honors demanded they die rather than submit, who
believed that the Bill of Rights meant exactly what it says, to those
people go my deepest respect, regardless of their religion.  People like
you who blithely blow off the murder of 80 people with "well they could
have come out" get my most scornful contempt.  I'd spit in your face
were there not a network between us.  You're not worth the ashes of
those people who burned.

John


Sorry about the garbage code, the following is used of course:

XSetForeground(Disp, PixGC, BackgroundColor);
XFillRectangle(Disp, Pixs, PixGC, 0, 0, Scr_width, Scr_height);
XSetForeground(Disp, PixGC, ForegroundColor);
XDraw[Line|String|Rectangle](Disp, Pixs, PixGC, ...);
XCopyArea(Disp, Pixs, Win, PixGC, 0, 0, Win_width, Win_height, 0, 0);

Juergen Schietke
Research Insitute for Discrete Mathematics
University of Bonn
Nassestr. 2
5300 Bonn 1


[HAMID] Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been
[HAMID] killed by Israel  during these 44 HAPPY YEAR?

Does anybody know how many Jews, Arabs, Christians and others have died
in terrorist attacks and wars over these 45 years due to Arab rhetoric and
rejectionism? The number is probably close to 100,000 at least.

All these lives wasted because the ARABS did not accept the PARTITION PLAN
in 1947.

Tsiel


According to the recent TSN report Peter Puck is not paying any interest
on the Treasury Branch loans.  That's a lot of green.

Again, according to TSN, virtually everything that Peter Puck has already
has liens against it.  Of course we can't really be sure of this.

The Oiler rationale regarding the renegotiation of player contracts is
that a deal is a deal.  Sather has spouted this repeatedly.  Pocklinton
has a contract with Northlands until 1999.  A deal is a deal.  Perhaps
if he included the income he has received from his sale of assets (players
such as Gretzky) and the income he has received in expansion fees with
his revenues he wouldn't be losing money.  He has admitted pulling this
money out of the Oiler franchise to put into his other businesses.

I think that Pocklington has received ample provincial subsidization.
I can't really blame him for going after municipal subsidization but
he is certainly not entitled to it.  Pocklington has "sucked" revenue
out of the Oilers in order to prop up his failing business interests.
Pocklington is not to be trusted.  I doubt very much that any Oiler
team will ever again make the playoffs under Pocklington's stewardship.
As soon as a player shows himself to be a competent NHL'er and expects
to be paid accordingly he is shipped off for younger players and or
draft picks.

--


Oh. OK then, sorry for misunderstanding.

Maybee you should persuade your burea that for only $650 they can become much
more competitive, taking input from Autocad, PostScript andGif as well as
SCODL...

Seriously, this sounds like something the bureau should have. Or find another
bureau. You should not be the one buting this software.

--
Chris Lilley
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Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road,
Manchester, UK.  M13 9PL                        Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk
Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045  Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc


    ...
    ...

    Interesting idea.

    This suggestion has inspired me to post, under the title "Theories
of Creation", a collection of various "philosophies" of creation that
I am aware of.  Could you explain which of these theories you would
want taught, and which ones you would not?  Or, perhaps, I haven't
included a favorite theory of yours (if so, could you describe it for
me for inclusion in an updated list)?


Hi,

I got a NE2100 compatible ethernet card, and I just received my copy
of Chameleon NFS. Unfortunately, it is not compatible with the NE2100
(only NE2000 or NE1000). What is the latest version number for Chameleon
NFS ? Did soemone tackle this problem ?

Thanks for help,

F. Popineau


I have a 486 sx 25 and I recently added a SCSI drive to my system using an
Adaptec 1522 (non busmastering) controller. Yesterday I ran coretest to
find out drive performance and these are the values I got

Seagate 106 Meg: 875.1kb/Sec	14.5ms avg seek   3.7ms track to track
Quantum 400 Meg SCSI: 991.2 Kb/sec  12.7 avg seek 3.6 track to track.

First off all are these good results? I don't know what typical values
are.

What I'm wondering now is the following. My swap file is currently on the
IDE. I could move it to the SCSI which is 13% faster, but then I would not
be able to use 32-bit access which might actuall make it slower. So on
which drive should I put my swap file to get best results? Is there a swap
file speed test program out there?

Finally, I also ran the above tests with the ASPI2DOS driver loaded and I
got no difference whatsoever in performance. Is there any reason at all
why I should load this driver?

Thanks in advance, I will post a summary if I get enough responses.


I was wondering if anyone knew of where I could find source
code for a program to solve a substitution cipher?

Thanks!
Kevin


I have forsale a 486 25 slc notebook very small
INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING:  CYRIX 486 25MHZ PROC. ( FAST )
                         MIDWEST MICRO ELITE SERIES
                         60 MEG HARD DRIVE (120 W/ STACKER)
                         1 3.5INCH DRIVE
                         1 SERIAL, 1 PARALLEL
                         2 MEGS OF RAM ( UPGRADABLE TO 8 MEGS )
                         64 shades of grey VGA
                         built in trackball
                         very fast machine
                         LOADED WITH WINDOWS,STACKER
                         DOS 5.0,
                         CARRYING CASE, AND POWER SUPPLY

bought it just 3 months ago for $1500.00 and realized
I don't need this much power in a notebook.
I was asking $1300.00... Now the first person with $1150.00 takes it.


Earlier today I read an ad for REAL-3D animation & ray-tracing software and
it looked very convincing to me. However, I don't own an Amiga and so I began
to wonder, if there's a PC version of it.

So, has anyone seen/used REAl-3D for DOS??


:
: How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin???
:
Little alflatoxin on commercial cereal products and certainly wouldn't
cause seizures.


Los Angeles Times, Saturday, May 8, 1993.  Page A11.

FIGURE IN ADL SPY CASE ARRESTED AT S.F. AIRPORT

    ESPIONAGE: Former police officer is taken into custody upon
    arriving from Philippines, where he had fled after FBI
    interrogation.

By Jenifer Warren, Times staff writer

San Francisco -- A former San Francisco police officer who fled to the
Philippines amid accusations that he funneled confidential law
enforcement information to an investigator for the Anti-Defamation
League was arrested at the airport here on 11 felony charges, police
said Friday.

Thomas J. Gerard who abruptly left the United States in October after
the FBI questioned him about his activities, was apprehended Thursday
night after a source in the Philippines told investigators that Gerard
was returning home.

Gerard, 50, was booked into San Francisco County Jail early Friday
morning on eight counts of theft of government documents and one count
each of computer theft, burglary and conspiracy.

If convicted on all charges, Gerard could face 16 years in prison and
$40,000 in fines.  Bail was initially set at $250,000 after police
argued that he was a flight risk, but it was later reduced to $20,000.
A friend of Gerard was trying to post bail late Friday afternoon, a
sheriff's spokeswoman said.

Gerard returned to the United because he missed his wife and child,
with whom he lived on a houseboat in Sausalito, and "wanted to have
his day in court," said Police Capt. John Willett, his former boss and
one of two arresting officers.

Gerard, an undercover agent for the Central Intelligence Agency from
1982 to 1985, also feared that the CIA was out to kill him, Willett
said.  In an interview with The Times last month, Gerard threatened to
disclose illegal CIA support of death squads in Central America if he
was indicted and tried on the San Francisco spying charges.

Gerard is a central figure in a scandal over an intelligence network
operated by the Anti-Defamation League, a prominent Jewish civil
rights organization.  Investigators allege that Gerard illegally gave
criminal histories to Roy Bullock, a San Francisco art dealer who said
he has been an undercover ADL intelligence operative for 40 years.

Investigators said they found confidential police files in Bullock's
home computer -- which contained entries on 10,000 people and 950
groups -- and in boxes in his apartment.  Files have also been seized
under search warrants from ADL offices in San Francisco and Los
Angeles but authorities have not disclosed their contents.

Gerard could not be reached for comment Friday, and his attorney,
James Lassart, did not return telephone calls seeking comment.  In the
interview with The Times last month, however, Gerard acknowledged
snooping and sharing some information with Bullock, but denied any
criminal wrongdoing.

Bullock and Gerard also are under investigation for selling
intelligence to South Africa.

ADL officials have described Bullock as a $550-a-week independent
contractor and have vigorously denied knowledge of any illegal
activity.  On Friday, ADL lawyer Jerrold Ladar said Gerard's arrest
"has nothing to do with ADL.  Other than that, we have no comment on
the case."

Arab-American groups -- which were a main target of the spying,
according to police -- applauded the arrest and pressed authorities to
pursue the investigation.

"We urge investigators to carry this case forward and to publicly
disclose the full extent of ADL and law enforcement involvement," said
James Zogby, head of the Arab American Institute in Washington.

Police, meanwhile, characterized Gerard's arrest -- the first in the
inquiry into the spying scandal -- as an unexpected breakthrough.  A
former police colleague of Gerard, Inspector Fred Mollat, visited
Gerard several weeks ago and urged him to return home.

"I knew he wouldn't want to live on an island on the lam forever, but
we didn't think it would happen this quickly," Capt. Willett said.
"This development really speeds up our timetable on the case."

During his 25-year career on the police force, Gerard was a highly
regarded officer known for his work in the department's intelligence
division.  His last assignment was on the gang task force.

After FBI agents questioned Gerard last fall, he took early retirement
and fled to the remote jungle island of Palawan, 300 miles south of
Manila.

Gerard was arrested at 8:40 p.m. as he stepped from his Philippines
Airlines flight. He was traveling alone and looked tanned but haggard
after his six-month hiatus, police said.

"He was surprised when he saw us standing there, and got a shocked
look on his face," Willett said.  "Then he said, 'Hello, I'm back.'"


Maybe so, but it's quite common. There are millions of Macintosh users who
have no idea what's in Apple's patented ROMs. Many have modems connected.
How do you know all your business secrets aren't being stolen? Answer:
1. Because you trust Apple;
2. Because if any such attempt, however sophicsticated, came out, it would
destroy Apple's credibility forever.

In the Clipper case, a representative body of experts is going to be allowed
to audit it, and we'll have assurances (maybe even from the President) that
other than the escrowed keys there are no back doors. While some may not
have confidence in that (I am not among them), it's a lot more assurance
than we get for many things we routinely trust in everyday life.

David


Hi all netters,

  If I upgrade my XT with a 286+ motherboard, will I be able to use the old
bits and pieces like HD, FD, graphics card and I/O card etc. Thanks for you
info.

P.S. I am sorry if my question is on some kind of FAQ.

						regards,


... there was a post originating from Russia advertising large quantities
of red mercury for sale - stirred up a bit of controversy at the time.
Then, this morning, NPR relates the news of a corruption scandal involving
the russian defense minister (among others), selling defense items, among
which (strangely enough), was red mercury.

you don't suppose?????


This is indeed true. I prefer Windows NT. It is certainly much better
than Microsoft Windows 3.1/DOS.


I am revamping some computer-aided visual inspection systems which
use the old AT&T Targa-16 Board Set (2 cards) to display images from
a color CCD camera to a color monitor, providing the option to overlay
text or a crosshair. No image capture or manipulation is performed,
just display. I would like to know if there is still a source for
development libraries which would allow me to embed commands in my
own software to enable the camera, draw crosshairs, print text, etc.
I'll be glad to pay if they are commercially available. E-Mail if
possible.

--

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Joe Ryburn |  CIM Manager               | Intergraph Corporation
           |  Manufacturing Integration | Huntsville, AL 35894


Interesting.  Tell us, what happens if I were to say OK, I want to have
something else.  If the law enforcement wants my traffic, they can record
it, then get a search warrant, and get the keys FROM ME, just like they
would the keys to a stout private safe, etc. (Lets say I suspect that
there is a way to trivially crack this at the Fed level, with no warrant,
say for NSA scanning for keywords, etc., and the government has abused
great power in the past...).

So I say "Mr Vendor, I want something different, independent.  I am
a paranoid sort, ya understand...".

Will the result be "Sorry, without Government permission, we cannot sell
you anything secure", or would it be "Sorry, we know which side our
bread is buttered on, we cannot sell except to government people, law
enforcement, and 'special' people...".

What, in your opinion, would be the chances of "sure, we will sell you
this secure system ... be happy to..."

Also, please be so kind as to tell us what the plans are for private
encryption of, say files transferred by modem, or FTP, or data stored
on disk?  SURELY you have a feel for what the administration is planning
for us people on that....  With your rather intimate relationship with
the FBI, NSA, etc. you must CERTAINLY have an idea.  You are surely
not going to say "the people are not to know, until it is too late..."
This IS supposed to be government of the people by the PEOPLE, isn't
it?  That is, the people ARE the government's BOSSES?  The BOSSES
want to know what the *@()#*&(@ is going on here...

You see, I am kind of nervous, because in the last month or so, I have
seen a non-stop stream of ideas coming out of Wash DC that at least
appear VERY STRONGLY to have a common trait to limit privacy (freedom
from Govt eavesdropping), and the ability to defend ourselves against
violent attack (no, 911 is *NOT* good enough for 'common folk', they
arrive only in time to clean up the mess: I would be DEAD if I had to
depend on 911...).   You see, with all that talk about National smart
ID cards, limiting of encryption to 'government approved', denial of
means to effective personal defense (EIGHT bills in congress right now),
it looks an AWFULLY lot like the whole thing is to be able to trace
EVERY ACTIVITY of an individual from cradle to grave.  All it would take
is requiring that National ID card to be used in all transactions...
and with no effective data protection, and with the people suitably
disarmed, there would not be a helluva lot they could do about it, now
would there?  All in the name of the War on the Constitu ... er ...
drugs, and of course that catch word 'terrorists'.  What is wrong with
good OLD-FASHIONED POLICE WORK to build a case?  They don't want to
have to be burdened to leave the office, it seems...

Please read the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments to the US
Constitution) and tell us how you can reconcile this Big Brother-ish
policy of the Administration (always for a 'crisis' of some kind, isn't
it?) with that Bill of Rights in the context of the people who wrote
it?

Reassure us - please... (or is that no longer regarded as necessary,
seeing as apparantly the people have NO input on this agenda, the
Administration preferring to make all the DECISIONS in secret, then
springing it on us...).  Doesn't sound much like ... by the PEOPLE
to me.  I cannot help notice that the congress people involved were
NOT mentioned on the press release.  I find that more than a little
bit curious, don't you?  I sure would like to know who to not vote
for come election time...

Yes, I am upset.  I feel you are a part of this, because I recall it
was you that was posting HEAVILY in favor of a very similar idea (could
have been the SAME thing, it was so close) a few months ago...  I
also recall it was not well received.  Apparantly powers-that-be
really didn't care (or were not told, or both).

From what I see, Clipper will ONLY be useful for conversations I don't
want the neighborhood kid listening in on.  Any SERIOUS security I don't
think I would want to trust it a bit.  Might as well use cleartext.
Certainly corporations would be rather dumb to depend on this for serious
trade-secret data, especially if millions depended on that security.
Given enough money, one could BUY any keys they wanted.  Buy a crooked
judge, and a crooked cop.   Given a few hundred thou, they wouldn't be
hard to find.  So, we end up with only criminals, terrorists, and the
Government with real security, and the ability to eavesdrop.  You know
the first two, if they are serious, ain't going to use this thing for
THEIR communications.  I bet the government won't, either (except perhaps
to order a pizza).

Tell us, will that be prima face evidence of criminal activity,
someone not using the 'government approved' methods?  That just a desire
to have PRIVACY is no longer regarded as a legitimate right of an
unconnected citizen?  Will that be grounds for a fly-through-the-door
raid, and confiscation of all one's equipment, as 'terrorist tools',
using civil forfeiture, so there will be no inconvenient need to
PROVE any wrongdoing on the part of the citizen?

I have yet another question, are we going to see articles in all the
public magazines, consisting of soothing text telling us how great
this is, how nice the government is by LETTING us have this illusion
of privacy?  That the government is going to be so kind as to let
us 'sort of' exercise a RIGHT?  What you want to bet that I am
correct here?

Please answer these questions.  As citizens of the United States, we
hava a RIGHT to know what our Government plans to 'let' us have
out of the goodness of their hearts...

Funny thing, though - with all these proposals, I don't feel ONE BIT
safer from drug dealers, terrorists, or a common street thug.  I am
beginning to wonder if the greater danger lies in the above entities,
or our own government gone out of control?

Re-assure us, please.  So far, I haven't seen much to reassure me...
and a LOT to greatly disturb me.


Please cite specific examples where an Arab party member was rejected
while a Jewish party member was accepted.  If you examine these I am
sure you will discover that the Arab party member did not have the power
base that his Jewish counterpart had.  The party structure in Israel
has changed quite a bit insofar as knesset member elections go.  Knesset
members for most parties are now elected via primaries.  The top standing
members end up with cabinet posts.  This is purely a political power
issue.  Check the ranking of Arab labor party members, as opposed
to Jewsih members and let me know which posts are held by Jews that
ranked lower in the party than their Arab fellow electees.

Once again, if for arguments sake, all the Arab Israelis were to vote
for Labor at the next election, you can rest assured that the number of
Arab MKs and cabinet members would increase proportionately to the
power shift.

You are overlooking the fact that they wield political power
as individuals based upon a wider collective power base.

The reasoning I see at work is purely political.  As far as security
goes I think that some serious gaffs were made by right wing Jews
as well - e.g. Sharon.