For the information of those not "lucky" enough to live in the city of
Austin, TX, if an auto a/c system is checked and found to have leaks,
it must be repaired at that time, or evacuated.  This is an ordinance
unique (I think) to the city of Austin.

Freon is subject to increasing taxes, but $12 is about 2X cost here.
Recovered freon is not required to be "purchased" from the car it is
withdrawn from.  As a matter of practice, some shops here are charging
a recycling fee that is less than the cost of the freon removed if it
is reintroduced to the system.

Just another quality service from an _Enviornmentally Conscious_ city.


Obviously, we have different sources. Bill Moyers (who happens to be a
theist, to tie this to alt.atheism!) in his PBS documentary "After The
War" is my main source. (I think I still have it on videotape.) Others
include The Nation and The Progressive.

The rest of the article is mere rationalisation. You may claim that
sanitation plants are strategic "legitimate" targets, but what happens to
the civilians in a city with no sewer system? What happens to the
civilians when you destroy water purification plants? And when hospitals
can't handle the resultant epidemics, because there is no more electricity?

And what exactly are your sources? We have all, I'm sure, seen Postol's
interviews in the media where he demostrates how the Pentagon lied about
the Patriot's effectiveness; what is your source for the 70%
effectiveness you claim?

In any case, I don't know if this is relevant to alt.atheism. How about
if we move it somewhere else?

-s


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It has been a while since I knew the electronics of ham radio, but I seem
to remember that PeP is actually 4x the "real" power.  Which makes 1KW PeP
actually around 250W.  Or was it 2x?  I disremember.

"Effective transmitted power" is also "odd", in that it takes into account
antenna height and geometry.  Which is why a TV station with a 50KW Klystron
might advertise a megawatt (if their antenna is on the top of the
CN tower ;-).

This is like Sears HP ;-)

Though, 1500 real watts still isn't impossible.  About 125-150A with
a 12V alternator, less if the alternator produces higher voltages.

It's only three horsepower (taking into account inefficiencies).  You'll
feel it when you hit the key.  But not too much.


Can anyone out there tell me why they call left-handed pitchers
"Southpaw"?

Also the story on how the term originated.

Thanks!!

Go Cubs!


Grr. Hate the bastard who picked the weather for today.

 Went up to visit a friend overnight (about 45 minute ride).. rode up after
work, only minor drizzing for the last 5 minutes of the ride... rest of the
ride was very zen.

 Got up this morning, needed to go home and get some disks & stuff to work
on her computers with, rainy as all hell. Soaked and cold by the time I got
home.

 Since I didn't have another set of thermals which were dry, I said "to heck
with it" and drove my cage back up.

 Lo and Behold, those funny blue clouds were up in the sky and this warm
yellow thing I haven't seen in quite awhile showed up when I was 10 minutes
into the trip.

 And me in my cage. Oh JOY.

 Happily, my right hand mirror finally showed up at the dealer (dropped the
bike when I first got it, put on an EMGO replacement mirror... hated it the
entire time that thing was on my bike because I couldn't see a DAMNED thing
through it, plus it's flat instead of convex like the stock mirrors, so you
get a NARROW ANGLE wobbly blur)... And I got a replacement windshield for my
fairing (dropped the original and chipped the front edge... cosmetic but
annoying)... so I spent half an hour happily unscrewing things and replacing
them this afternoon.

 'Bout the only thing I still hate about the bike ('75 CB360T) is the damned
"2 D-Cell Flashlight" headlight.


Tis' only a gleam in my eye at this point.  I have yet to chose a tracking
method.  The initial requirement was to design a system to locate a dancer
in one of eight zones across the stage.  I did some experiments with
pyroelectric detectors and found them difficult to align to get a definite
zone transition.  And dancers stand still alot, so their IR signature goes
away.  The good thing about pryoelectrics is that their signal is proportional
to the size of the warm body (or body part), and the velocity of said body.
This could be useful for detecting the intensity of a dance gesture.

Dancers also really hate to wear little boxes and batteries strapped on their
bodies, but they really need to be emitting some kind of signal to be tracked.


The "R Us" thing is trademarked.  I don't know if Charles
Lazarus is dead or alive, but I'd be careful, because with
a name like Lazarus, he might rise again just to start a
lawsuit.

Dean Kaflowitz


Murry,

	Why don't you just shell out a couple more dollars and get a floptical.
They can read high density disks (1.4 MB) as well as flopticals (21 MB).  The
price of flopticals right now range from $300's - $400's.


From article <1993Apr21.190251.14371@sequent.com>, by troy@sequent.com (Troy Wecker):
  .
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It sounds like your analysis is based on hypothesis and not
actually using the Valentine-1.  I'd like to give some feedback based on
real life experince.  I keep the Valentine-1 in advanced logic mode
and it rarely lights up as a Christmas tree.  The only time it does
is when I am in the middle of a major shopping area and then it makes
sense that is does since there are >= 8 sources coming from many different
directions.  I have found the Valentine-1 to be consistent in its
reporting of bogeys regardless of any moving cars in the area.

I have found the directional indication to be very useful.  In one case
there was two radar traps set up within one mile of each other.  As I
passed the first radar trap, the direction indication changed.  Then
the detector was set off again pointing in the forward direction.  With
other radar detectors I would have assumed that this was due to a reflection.
But with the Valentine-1 I knew there was a high probability that there
was another trap.  And there was!

On other occasions, the directional helped discern a false alarm from
a true alarm.  For example, as I pass a source, the direction indicator
changes.  The directional also allows me to focus my attention as to where
the signal might be coming from instead of having to look all over the
place.  When a car is approaching me from the rear with a detector
that leaks, I can tell that the signal is coming from the rear and as the
car passes me I can verify the source.  With other detectors, I would
have been unable to do this and would have had to assume that there was a radar
trap when there was none.

I've had the Valentine-1 for several months now and find its added features
to be useful and not gimmicks.

                                       -Barry


:
: Hey,
:
: I'm about to purchase a DAT drive.  Does anyone know which mail order vendors
: offer DAT drives with HP's mechanism?  What other mechanism is available out
: there?  Good, bad points?

	We bought one from Relax technologies.  BIG mistake.  The drive
had some jumpers set incorrectly so it didn't work at first, and the
software they shipped with it was incompatable with the drive (it was the
new compression model), and worst of all, when I opened the drive up to
fiddle with the jumpers, I found the inside of the case COVERED WITH METAL
FILINGS!!! Sorry to shout.  Apparently when they drilled the mounting holes
in the case they forgot to clean it before putting the drive in.  This was
a HP drive, by the way, and is now working fine (knock on wood), no thanks
to Relax technologies.

Hey, your mileage may vary, but let me suggest that you NOT buy from Relax
Technologies, even though their prices are usually about the lowest.

--Dave
==============================================================================
Dave Schwarze
(schwarze@delphi.nosc.mil or NeXT mail schwarze@isenext2.saic.com)


I have a pair of AKG 340s in nearly new condition for sale.  They
have been used in my studio for mixdown monitoring.  I have the original box.
The 340s use both an electret element and a dynamic element in each ear cup
with built-in crossovers.  They have a very smooth frequency response and
the electrostatic element gives clearer highs.  I am asking $200 for the
pair.

Brett Maraldo
- Plexus Prodcutions


Has anyone ported RIPEM to the Amiga yet or is anyone working on it?

Emailed responses are fine.


Dear Netters:
    Could you mail the source code of the book:
    "Advanced X window application programming"
by Johnson and Reichard
    TO ME?

    If you need any source code, just ask me.

    Thank you very much!

                                    Sincerely,

                                    Zeng, Qiyong.


Well, the question of why fire equipment took so long to reach the
compound has been answered. ABC aired a report including the 911 tapes
from Monday. The FBI called 911 within 4 minutes of the fire's breakout.
Unfortunately, dispatch of vehicles outside the Waco city limits
required approval of a deputy chief, who was not available (literally
out to lunch?); the 911 operator desperately called around to local
community volunteer fire departments to get something out there. By
the time trucks arrived 27 minutes later, the whole complex was aflame
and it was clearly too little, too late; there were just two pumpers
and no water supply. The FBI made another call requesting a tank truck,
but the Waco department apparently depended on hydrants and did not
have one. Though clearly unwilling to risk firemen's lives in the
line of fire, it seems they might have done so had there been sufficient
equipment and water to make a difference.

They even aired a tape of a woman who called Waco 911 from Georgia
asking if anything was being done. Civic-minded, but probably
irresponsible; if everyone watching television did that, no local
calls could get through.

ABC also aired the comments of an independent fire investigator who
viewed tapes from more than one side of the compound (not just the
standard "pool shot"), and agreed that the fire a) must have been
started in at least 3 places, and b) must have had an accelerant
to spread so fast.

Neither of these is conclusive proof that the Koresh crowd offed
themselves more than the FBI offed them, but it's a heck of a lot
stronger proof than some of the "theories" floating around the net.

Score 2 FBI, 0 Branch Davidians. Or is that -89 Branch Davidians?


1) Well, Mr Koresh allowed other children and adults to leave the compound
during the course of the siege; why didnt these children leave then?
I dont know myself, and certainly havent heard any answers on this here.

2) Yes, one simple non-action, ie NOT attacking the compound with
modified tanks, would have prevented this tragedy. I bet you blamed
the MOVE people for the deaths that occurred in adjacent row
houses in Philadelphia, not the government which dropped the
firebomb, right?


BR> From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
BR> Newsgroups: alt.atheism
BR> Organization: DGSID, Atlanta, GA

BR>         The problem is that most scientists exclude the
BR> possibility of the         supernatural in the question of
BR> origins.  Is this is a fair premise?         I utterly
BR> reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of
BR>      truth.

It is better than the crap that the creationists put out.  So far all they
have been able to manage is distortions and half-truths. (When they are not
taking quotes out of context...)

BR>         Some of these so-called human-like creatures were
BR> apes.  Some were         humans.  Some were fancifully
BR> reconstructed from fragments.

The genetic code has shown more about how man is realted to primates that the
fossil record.  (A little detail the creationists try and ignore.)

BR>            Good deeds do not justify a person in God's
BR> sight.            An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone
BR> for sin.

Who says?  Your Bible(tm)?	I would be surprised if *ANY* Christian followed
all of the rules in the Bible.  (Most of them just pick and choose, according
to the local biases.)

BR>      My point: God is the creator.  Look's like we agree.

Where is your proof?  How do you know it was *YOUR* God?

BR>      I'll send you some info via e-mail.
BR>      Regards, Bill.

Why not post them?	I would be interested in seeing them myself.


Someone asked about the rosters for the college hockey senior all-star
shrine game held in Orono, Maine earlier this month:

WEST
Derek Plante		MINN-DULUTH	(west MVP of the game)
Greg Johnson		N DAKOTA
Bryan Smolinski		MICH ST
Fred Knipscheer		ST CLOUD STATE
Chris Campbell		WISCONSIN-SUPERIOR
Glenn Lang		UW-SUPERIOR
Chris Bergeron		MIAMI
Joe Cook		MIAMI
Jamie Erb		BEMIDIJI
Brett Harkins		BOWLING GREEN
David Roberts		MICHIGAN
Todd Trettier		UW-STEVENS POINT
John Young		MICH TECH
Brett Hauer		MINN-DULUTH
Pat Neaton		MICHIGAN
Barry Richter		WISCONSIN
Mike Smith		LSSU
Chris Valicevic		ST MARY'S
Shaun Gravistin		AK-ANCHORAGE	(goalie)
Tom Newman		MINNESOTA	   "
Bryan Schoen		DENVER		   "
Ron Mason		MICH ST		(coach)
Steve Nelson		UW-SUPERIOR	  "
Jim Knapp		MINN-DULUTH	  "

EAST
Jack Duffy		YALE
Chris Foy		N'EASTERN
Scott Meehan		MASS-LOWELL
Aaron Miller		VERMONT
Kevin O'SUllivan	BU
Chris Potter		CONNECTICUT
Ray Alcindor		MIDDLEBURY
Greg Carvel		ST LAWRENCE
Bob Cowan		PROVIDENCE
Steve Dubinksy		CLARKSON
Dan Gravelle		MERRIMACK
Ryan Hughes		CORNELL
Mark Kauffman		YALE
Matt Mallgrave		HARVARD
Chris McGee		BABSON
Scott McNair		RIT
Jim Montgomery		MAINE
David Sacco		BU
Chris Rogles		CLARKSON	(goalie)   (East's MVP of the game)
Garth Snow		MAINE		   "
Grant Wood		HAMILTON	   "
Brian Durocher		BROWN		(coach)
Shawn Walsh		MAINE   	   "
Bruce Marshalll		CONNECTICUT	   "

These are the original rosters. There may have been a few changes
for the actual game (guys not being able to participate or whatever).


My wifes uncle was a 30+ level mason.  He let me look at some of the books
(which after his death his "brothers" came over and took from his greiving
widow before his body had even cooled).  Don't tell me you don't worship
Osiris.  You must not be past your 20th level.  You should read Wilkinson's
Egyptians and how he shows this Egyptian religion paralleling his own British
Masonry.  There is a man here at this laboratory who is a 33 degree black
mason.  I've talked with him, though much he likes to hide ("mystery").
Special handshakes and all.  When he first started trying to "evangelize" me,
he told me all kinds on special this, and special that.  Here is truely a
"mystery" religion.  THere is the public side with motorcyle mania and
childrens hospitals and then there is the priviate side that only the highest
degree mason every learns of.
I haven't read it, but the literature that is offered by the silver haired
apologist (can't remember his name) on TV, didn't exactly come to this same
conclusion.

"Khons, the son of the great goddess-mother, seems to have been gernaerally
represented as a full-grown god. The Babylonian divinity was also represented
very frequently in Egupt in the very same wayas in the land of his nativity
-i.e. as a child in his mother's arems.  THis was the way in which Osiris, 'the
son, the husband of his mother,' was often exhibited, and what we learn of this
god, equally as in the case of Khonso, shows that in his original he was none
other than Nimrod.  It is admitted that the secret system of Free Masonry was
originally founded on the Mysteries of the Egyptian Isis, the goddess-mother,
or wife of Osiris.  But what could have led to the union of a Masonic body with
these Mysteries, had they not had particular reference to architecture, and had
the god who was worshipped in them not been celebrated for his success in
perfecting the arts of fortification and building?  Now, if such were the case,
considering the relation in which, as we have already seen, Egypt stood to
Babylon, who would naturally be liiked up to there as the great patron of the
Masonic art?  The strong presumption is, that Nimrod must have been the man.
He was the first that gained faim in this way.  As the child of the Babylonian
goddess-mother, he was worshipped in the character of Ala mahozim, 'The God of
Fortification.'  Osiris, the child of the Egyptian Modonna, was equally
celebrated as 'the strong chief of the buildings.'  THis strong chief of the
buildings was origninally worshipped in Egypt with every physicall
characteristic of Nimrod.  I have already noticed the fact that Nimrod, as the
son of Cush, was a negro.  Now, there was a tradition in Egypt, recorded by
Plutarch, that 'Osiris was black'......."  Hislop

It was like a cold slap to my face, when my wifes uncle brought out his
cerimonial dress and it was leopard skin.  I mean real leopard skin.   He told
me that only the highest of degrees wore the leopard skin.  (The reason that he
started telling me all this was that he had just been given a couple of months
to live and my wife had led him to a saving faith in Christ and he immediately
repented from 'mysteries' of the lodge!)

Nimr-rod from Nimr, a "leopard," and rada or rad "To subdue."  It is a
universal principle in all idolatries, that the high priest wears the insignia
of the god he serves.  Any representation of Osiris usually show the wearing of
some leopard.  It is interesting that the Druids of Britian also show, or
should I say hide, this representation.  They, however, worshipped the "spotted
cow".

I'll stand by my statements.  Masonry is of the "mystery" religions that all
find their source in Babylon, the great harlot. Sorry Peter,  I do not mean to
be a "cold slap to the face" but there is to much evidence to the contrary that
Masonry doesn't find its origins in Egypt.  Of the Masons I have personally
talked to, all refered to Egypt as their origin.  Why are you now separating
yourself from this which not many years ago, was freely admitted?


...hm, I've found the DTK customer support BBS - anyone
know if Magitronic run one too?

(Hands up all those that have possibly useful cards made by
either manufacturer and no docs or drivers! <g>)

              Please Email me directly if you happen to have a number.


why does this remind me of bosnia and ethnic cleansing ??????

tippu


The remainder of my article deleted stated why. One would be an egotist to
believe that someone CARED about what Bill R. thought he needed
to say about God. Whether they did or not is irrelevant.


We are having problems with a bunch of SE/30's in one of our Labs. The
fault is that the machines either bomb or freeze when attempting to write to
their internal floppies. The internal floppies have been tested on their own
and are fine, which means that it is a main board fault. The machines all come
from the same batch.

        The date code on the back of the machines is December 1990.

        1. Do you own a machine from this batch.

	2. Has any user had experience with this fault.

        3. Was it a warranty repair.

Any feedback would be appreciated and I will post the results to the net.

                        Bill


   When an alleged private revelation attracts sufficient attention,
   the Church may investigate it.  If the investigation indicates a
   likelihood that the alleged private revelation is in fact from God,
   it will be approved.  That means that it can be preached in the
   Church.  However, it is still true that no one is required to
   believe that it came from God.  A Catholic is free to deny the
   authenticity of even the most well attested and strongly approved
   private revelations, such as those at Fatima and Lourdes.  (I
   suspect that few if any Catholics do reject Fatima and Lourdes, but
   if any do their rejection of them does not mean they are not
   orthodox Catholics in good standing.)

It may be a bit much to say that a Catholic is free to deny what
happened at Fatima.  That's a bit strong, it is sort of like saying
that a Catholic is free to deny that Hong Kong exists.  What a
Catholic *is* free to do is to deny the truth of Fatima, without being
called a heretic.  You can be labeled other things for such an
offense, but not a heretic.

Theologians make a basic distinction as far as the degree of assent
one must give to events like Fatima and Lourdes.  Things revealed by
God through Jesus Christ or His Apostles must be given the assent due
to a revelation of God: total and unswerving.  Fatima and Lourdes
demand our assent as much as any other well-attested event in human
history.  Perhaps a bit more, given the approval of the Church.

"Approval" of an apparition by the Church principally means that
whatever happened was in harmony with the Catholic Faith.

I personally think of private revelations as our Lord's way of telling
us what to do at particular periods in history.  He gave us all the
doctrines, etc., 2000 years ago, but we can always use some help in
knowing how exactly to apply what He gave us.

Catholic devotion to the Sacred Heart was a result of a series of
apparitions to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, for example.  The problem
at the time was extreme moral rigorism that was turning our Lord into
someone without a heart.


    Well the monitor is consistently the largest power drain on your
electric bill when you are looking at your computer set-up, especially
if you have a large (16" or greater) color monitor. Generally what I do
is leave my Mac on all the time, except for the occasional resart or
syetem crash, but I turn my monitor off each night before I leave my
office. I also turn off After Dark when I do this, since there is no
reason to have the screen saver running when there is no picture being
displyed on the monitor's tube.

    Really? What makes you think this? The Q700 file server in my office
has been on for the last 2 months, straight, and it hasn't had any
problems. (Note: I also keep the monitor for the file server turned off
when I'm not actually working on the server itself.)


Nice little, really compact, cream colored, 1200 external modem. Good
for the mac or ibm.  I will throw in a cable for an extra $5 or so.
If you are interested email me an offer.


I'm looking for a way to get our company logo onto documents and
figure the easiest way is to put it into a font.  Are there any public
domain programs that can do this?  Is there any shareware that
will do this?

Any help is appreciated.

Paul


 > Between Adam and Eve and Golgotha the whole process of the fall
 > of man occurred.  This involved a gradual dimming of
 > consciousness of the spiritual world.  This is discernable in
 > the world outlooks of different peoples through history.  The
 > Greek, for example, could say, "better a beggar in the land of
 > the living than a king in the land of the dead."  (Iliad, I
 > think).

I would not swear that nothing of the sort is found in the Iliad,
but the first passage I thought of was the Odyssey 11:480 or
thereabouts (my copy has no line numbers). The ghost of Acchilles
speaks (Robert FitzGerald translation):

 > Better, I say, to break sod as a farm hand
 > for some poor country man, on iron rations,
 > than lord it over all the exhausted dead.

The next passage I thought of was from Ecclesiastes 9:4

 + A living dog is better than a dead lion.

 > On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in
 > Christianity that originated most definitely in a pagan source.
 > The idea that the human being consists essentially of soul
 > only, and that the soul is created at birth, was consciously
 > adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas dominated Christian thought
 > for fifteen hundred years and still does today....

Surely Aristotle had little influence on Christian thought before
about 1250 AD.


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                              Atheist Resources

                      Addresses of Atheist Organizations

                                     USA

FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION

Darwin fish bumper stickers and assorted other atheist paraphernalia are
available from the Freedom From Religion Foundation in the US.

Write to:  FFRF, P.O. Box 750, Madison, WI 53701.
Telephone: (608) 256-8900

EVOLUTION DESIGNS

Evolution Designs sell the "Darwin fish".  It's a fish symbol, like the ones
Christians stick on their cars, but with feet and the word "Darwin" written
inside.  The deluxe moulded 3D plastic fish is $4.95 postpaid in the US.

Write to:  Evolution Designs, 7119 Laurel Canyon #4, North Hollywood,
           CA 91605.

People in the San Francisco Bay area can get Darwin Fish from Lynn Gold --
try mailing <figmo@netcom.com>.  For net people who go to Lynn directly, the
price is $4.95 per fish.

SET FREE

Atheist stickers, T-shirts and books.

Write to:  Set Free, P.O. Box 3065-192, Garden Grove, CA 92642.

AMERICAN ATHEIST PRESS

AAP publish various atheist books -- critiques of the Bible, lists of
Biblical contradictions, and so on.  One such book is:

"The Bible Handbook" by W.P. Ball and G.W. Foote.  American Atheist Press.
372 pp.  ISBN 0-910309-26-4, 2nd edition, 1986.  Bible contradictions,
absurdities, atrocities, immoralities... contains Ball, Foote: "The Bible
Contradicts Itself", AAP.  Based on the King James version of the Bible.

Write to:  American Atheist Press, P.O. Box 140195, Austin, TX 78714-0195.
      or:  7215 Cameron Road, Austin, TX 78752-2973.
Telephone: (512) 458-1244
Fax:       (512) 467-9525

PROMETHEUS BOOKS

Sell books including Haught's "Holy Horrors" (see below).

Write to:  700 East Amherst Street, Buffalo, New York 14215.
Telephone: (716) 837-2475.

An alternate address (which may be newer or older) is:
Prometheus Books, 59 Glenn Drive, Buffalo, NY 14228-2197.

AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR HUMANISM

An organization promoting black secular humanism and uncovering the history of
black freethought.  They publish a quarterly newsletter, AAH EXAMINER.

Write to:  Norm R. Allen, Jr., African Americans for Humanism, P.O. Box 664,
           Buffalo, NY 14226.

                                United Kingdom

Rationalist Press Association          National Secular Society
88 Islington High Street               702 Holloway Road
London N1 8EW                          London N19 3NL
071 226 7251                           071 272 1266

British Humanist Association           South Place Ethical Society
14 Lamb's Conduit Passage              Conway Hall
London WC1R 4RH                        Red Lion Square
071 430 0908                           London WC1R 4RL
fax 071 430 1271                       071 831 7723

The National Secular Society publish "The Freethinker", a monthly magazine
founded in 1881.

                                   Germany

IBKA e.V.
Internationaler Bund der Konfessionslosen und Atheisten
Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany.

IBKA publish a journal:
MIZ. (Materialien und Informationen zur Zeit. Politisches
Journal der Konfessionslosesn und Atheisten. Hrsg. IBKA e.V.)
MIZ-Vertrieb, Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany.

For atheist books, write to:

IBDK, Internationaler B"ucherdienst der Konfessionslosen
Postfach 3005, D-3000 Hannover 1. Germany.
Telephone: 0511/211216

                               Books -- Fiction

THOMAS M. DISCH

"The Santa Claus Compromise"
Short story.  The ultimate proof that Santa exists.  All characters and
events are fictitious.  Any similarity to living or dead gods -- uh, well...

WALTER M. MILLER, JR

"A Canticle for Leibowitz"
One gem in this post atomic doomsday novel is the monks who spent their lives
copying blueprints from "Saint Leibowitz", filling the sheets of paper with
ink and leaving white lines and letters.

EDGAR PANGBORN

"Davy"
Post atomic doomsday novel set in clerical states.  The church, for example,
forbids that anyone "produce, describe or use any substance containing...
atoms".

PHILIP K. DICK

Philip K. Dick Dick wrote many philosophical and thought-provoking short
stories and novels.  His stories are bizarre at times, but very approachable.
He wrote mainly SF, but he wrote about people, truth and religion rather than
technology.  Although he often believed that he had met some sort of God, he
remained sceptical.  Amongst his novels, the following are of some relevance:

"Galactic Pot-Healer"
A fallible alien deity summons a group of Earth craftsmen and women to a
remote planet to raise a giant cathedral from beneath the oceans.  When the
deity begins to demand faith from the earthers, pot-healer Joe Fernwright is
unable to comply.  A polished, ironic and amusing novel.

"A Maze of Death"
Noteworthy for its description of a technology-based religion.

"VALIS"
The schizophrenic hero searches for the hidden mysteries of Gnostic
Christianity after reality is fired into his brain by a pink laser beam of
unknown but possibly divine origin.  He is accompanied by his dogmatic and
dismissively atheist friend and assorted other odd characters.

"The Divine Invasion"
God invades Earth by making a young woman pregnant as she returns from
another star system.  Unfortunately she is terminally ill, and must be
assisted by a dead man whose brain is wired to 24-hour easy listening music.

MARGARET ATWOOD

"The Handmaid's Tale"
A story based on the premise that the US Congress is mysteriously
assassinated, and fundamentalists quickly take charge of the nation to set it
"right" again.  The book is the diary of a woman's life as she tries to live
under the new Christian theocracy.  Women's right to own property is revoked,
and their bank accounts are closed; sinful luxuries are outlawed, and the
radio is only used for readings from the Bible.  Crimes are punished
retroactively: doctors who performed legal abortions in the "old world" are
hunted down and hanged.  Atwood's writing style is difficult to get used to
at first, but the tale grows more and more chilling as it goes on.

VARIOUS AUTHORS

"The Bible"
This somewhat dull and rambling work has often been criticized.  However, it
is probably worth reading, if only so that you'll know what all the fuss is
about.  It exists in many different versions, so make sure you get the one
true version.

                             Books -- Non-fiction

PETER DE ROSA

"Vicars of Christ", Bantam Press, 1988
Although de Rosa seems to be Christian or even Catholic this is a very
enlighting history of papal immoralities, adulteries, fallacies etc.
(German translation: "Gottes erste Diener. Die dunkle Seite des Papsttums",
Droemer-Knaur, 1989)

MICHAEL MARTIN

"Atheism: A Philosophical Justification", Temple University Press,
 Philadelphia, USA.
A detailed and scholarly justification of atheism.  Contains an outstanding
appendix defining terminology and usage in this (necessarily) tendentious
area.  Argues both for "negative atheism" (i.e. the "non-belief in the
existence of god(s)") and also for "positive atheism" ("the belief in the
non-existence of god(s)").  Includes great refutations of the most
challenging arguments for god; particular attention is paid to refuting
contempory theists such as Platinga and Swinburne.
541 pages. ISBN 0-87722-642-3 (hardcover; paperback also available)

"The Case Against Christianity", Temple University Press
A comprehensive critique of Christianity, in which he considers
the best contemporary defences of Christianity and (ultimately)
demonstrates that they are unsupportable and/or incoherent.
273 pages. ISBN 0-87722-767-5

JAMES TURNER

"Without God, Without Creed", The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore,
 MD, USA
Subtitled "The Origins of Unbelief in America".  Examines the way in which
unbelief (whether agnostic or atheistic)  became a mainstream alternative
world-view.  Focusses on the period 1770-1900, and while considering France
and Britain the emphasis is on American, and particularly New England
developments.  "Neither a religious history of secularization or atheism,
Without God, Without Creed is, rather, the intellectual history of the fate
of a single idea, the belief that God exists."
316 pages. ISBN (hardcover) 0-8018-2494-X (paper) 0-8018-3407-4

GEORGE SELDES (Editor)

"The great thoughts", Ballantine Books, New York, USA
A "dictionary of quotations" of a different kind, concentrating on statements
and writings which, explicitly or implicitly, present the person's philosophy
and world-view.  Includes obscure (and often suppressed) opinions from many
people.  For some popular observations, traces the way in which various
people expressed and twisted the idea over the centuries.  Quite a number of
the quotations are derived from Cardiff's "What Great Men Think of Religion"
and Noyes' "Views of Religion".
490 pages. ISBN (paper) 0-345-29887-X.

RICHARD SWINBURNE

"The Existence of God (Revised Edition)", Clarendon Paperbacks, Oxford
This book is the second volume in a trilogy that began with "The Coherence of
Theism" (1977) and was concluded with "Faith and Reason" (1981).  In this
work, Swinburne attempts to construct a series of inductive arguments for the
existence of God.  His arguments, which are somewhat tendentious and rely
upon the imputation of late 20th century western Christian values and
aesthetics to a God which is supposedly as simple as can be conceived, were
decisively rejected in Mackie's "The Miracle of Theism".  In the revised
edition of "The Existence of God", Swinburne includes an Appendix in which he
makes a somewhat incoherent attempt to rebut Mackie.

J. L. MACKIE

"The Miracle of Theism", Oxford
This (posthumous) volume contains a comprehensive review of the principal
arguments for and against the existence of God.  It ranges from the classical
philosophical positions of Descartes, Anselm, Berkeley, Hume et al, through
the moral arguments of Newman, Kant and Sidgwick, to the recent restatements
of the classical theses by Plantinga and Swinburne.  It also addresses those
positions which push the concept of God beyond the realm of the rational,
such as those of Kierkegaard, Kung and Philips, as well as "replacements for
God" such as Lelie's axiarchism.  The book is a delight to read - less
formalistic and better written than Martin's works, and refreshingly direct
when compared with the hand-waving of Swinburne.

JAMES A. HAUGHT

"Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness",
 Prometheus Books
Looks at religious persecution from ancient times to the present day -- and
not only by Christians.
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-64079. 1990.

NORM R. ALLEN, JR.

"African American Humanism: an Anthology"
See the listing for African Americans for Humanism above.

GORDON STEIN

"An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism", Prometheus Books
An anthology covering a wide range of subjects, including 'The Devil, Evil
and Morality' and 'The History of Freethought'.  Comprehensive bibliography.

EDMUND D. COHEN

"The Mind of The Bible-Believer", Prometheus Books
A study of why people become Christian fundamentalists, and what effect it
has on them.

GEORGE H. SMITH

"Atheism: The Case Against God", Prometheus Books
Describes the positions of atheism, theism and agnosticism.  Reviews many
of the arguments used in favour of the existence of God.  Concludes with an
assessment of the impact of God on people's lives.

                                Net Resources

There's a small mail-based archive server at mantis.co.uk which carries
archives of old alt.atheism.moderated articles and assorted other files.  For
more information, send mail to archive-server@mantis.co.uk saying

   help
   send atheism/index

and it will mail back a reply.


[...]

  So, in short, the 3/8" cables seems to be pretty useless, I would guess.

  The larger cable seems to be a much better unit.

  I've got the larger cable - about 5/8" inch in diameter (actually, I think
its larger), about 4 feet long which coils into a 8 or 9 inch coil, with the
tubular key lock like the U-locks.  It has worked fine for me for two years
now, and *seems* (to me, anyway) that it is very secure.  It doesn't have the
weaknesses that the U-locks have other than the liquid nitrogen trick
supposedly, is much easier to store in my tankbag than a U-lock, and more
versatile.  I got mine from one of the mail-order houses (Motorcycle Accessory
Warehouse, I beleive), for $42.

  In combination with an ignition disable, and a couple of other deterrents,
all I *usually* worry about is vandalism.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013


When kids stayed in the home until kindergarden or 1st grade, infection
incidence was much lower because exposure was lower.  Some studies suggest
that early exposure to various infectious diseases is probably beneficial
because exposure as an adult carries much more risk of morbitity and
mortality(mumps, measles. etc.).

Daycare will always carry a higher exposure risk than home care.

Exposure to infectious organisms does build immunity.  But many viruses
mutate and reexposure to the new strain requires another immune response(
new antibody production).  In addition, antibody levels tend to decline
with time and re-innoculation is needed to keep the antibody levels high.
Chronic overstimulation of the immune response can lead to immunosupression
but this is rare and very unlikely to occur in children.

Yes, chronic use of antibiotics can have an adverse effect on the good
bacteria that are supposed to be present in and on the body.  Health effects
of this depletion of the good bacteria is a very hotly debated topic in the
medical community with most physicians seeming to discount any health effects
of chronic antibiotic use( a view that I do not support).

Chronic infection in an adult or a child needs to be worked up( in my
opinion).  But most physicians feel that chronic infection in a child is
normal because of both exposure and lack of prior immunity to many
infectious diseases.  I do not share this view and there are some
physicians who also suspect that diet plays a big role in infection
frequency and severity.  Exposure to an infectious agent does not have to
result in a severe infection.  A strong immune response can minimize the
length of time needed to deal with the infection as well as the symptoms
associated with the infection.

There are five major nutrients that are responsible for a good strong
immune response to infectious agents.  They are: protein, vitamin C,
vitamin A, iron and zinc.  The American diet is not low in protein so this
is rarely a problem.  But vitamin A, vitamin C, iron and zinc are often low
and this lack of an adequate pool(nutrient reserve) can impair the immune
response.  Iron is know to be low in most kids(as is vitamin A).  There are
distinct biochemical tests that can be run to check the status of each of
these nutrients in a patient who is having a problem with chronic severe
infection.  Serum ferritin for iron status, dark adaptation for vitamin A
status, red blood cell zinc for zinc status and leckocyte ascorbate for
vitamin C status.  I have attempted to work up posts on these five
nutrients and their role in infection for this news group as well as the
others that I participate in.  I can e-mail you what I've worked up so far.
But my best advice to you is to try to find a physician who recognizes the
critical role that diet plays in the human immune response.  You may also
be able to get help from a nutritionist.  Anyone can call themselves a
nutritionist so you have to be very carefull.  You want to find someone(
like myself) who has had some formal training and education in nutrition.
Many Ph.D. programs in the U.S. now offer degrees in Nutrition and that's
what you need to look for.  Some dieticians will also call themselves
nutritionists but most dieticians have not had the biochemical training
needed to run specialized nutritional assessment tests.  They are very good
for getting general dietary advice from however.


Attendance in 1992 was down. By .3%. From an all-time record in 1991.
In people terms, attendance was down by 310,000 from 1991 to 1992. Two
franchises, the Dodgers and Mets, were down by 1,100,000 from 1991 to 1992.
Had either of them not been entirely awful, MLB would have set another
attendance record in 1992.

 Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com


Even if Rodney King had come out of that car waving a gun and they
managed to disarm him, the police still had no right right to beat
him senseless the way they did once he was on the ground.  If they
can't handle their jobs, they should be relieved of them.

Additionally, Anna Quindlan of the New York Times said it best (paraphrase):
Many people bring up what happened before what is shown on the tape.  Here's
what came before:  the 80's, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, racism,...


V16 anyone? Anyone heard of a Cizata V16T ??? Its mainly sold in the middle
east where they dont have as strict a legislation as in the USA and EC....


Well, they just said that Franco will probably go on the DL tomorrow.
(They mentioned a career minor leaguer as the "warm body" who would go
along...I forget.)

Also, when answering questions about the rotation, Coleman (SD
broadcaster) said that Hurst is gone in about a month-month and a half,
which is when he should finish re-hab.

Later

Dennis


Of course not. There's more than a little difference between formulating
foreign policy and overseeing the ATF's handling of a scenario involving a
group of religious fanatics. Why do people compare apples and oranges?


pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes to Clayton Cramer:

The saddest thing is that most people, like Cramer's wife, learn dislike
for homosexuality early in childhood.


Is there a comp.graphics FAQ and if so, where?


please subscrive me.


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JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!

* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.

* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide.

* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
  edition.  Big Book! Very good condition!

* Solutions manual for Chemistry book.  Paperback.

* Study guide for Chemistry book.  Paperback.

Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu


:               WOULD WIRETAP CHIP BE COST-EFFECTIVE?

:   SUMMARY: Compared to an average monthly phone bill of sixty dollars,
:   wiretaps are only worth two cents a month to police.  So the
:   proposed wiretap chip must raise phone costs by less than one part
:   in three thousand to be cost-effective.

Robin's calculation is interesting and important, even if it's off by
an order of magnitude (for example).

Even if hardware costs for the Clipper Chip phones were ZERO, the
protocol overhead in transmitting the escrow field would be much
higher than the 1 part in 3 thousand...it depends on the exact details
of the phone call length, protocol, etc. (shorter calls get a
proportionately greater hit).

However, I suspect most Americans will not find this line of reasoning
as persuasive as the analogies about escrowing keys to one's house
are.

-Tim May


   On these counts, the apocrapha falls short of the glory of God.
   To quote Unger's Bible Dictionary on the Apocrapha:
   1. They abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies and
   anachronisms.
   2. They teach doctrines which are false and foster practices
   which are at variance with sacred Scripture.
   3. They resort to literary types and display an artificiality of
   subject matter and styling out of keeping with sacred Scripture.
   4. They lack the distinctive elements which give genuine
   Scripture their divine character, such as prophetic power and
   poetic and religious feeling.

First, to point out the obvious: While #4 would clearly be a highly
subjective issue, one would be hard pressed to point to another book
of the OT (or for that matter the NT) that doesn't, on some issues, in
some way, fail one or more of the first three of these tests.

Second, one factor the Deuterocanonicals share is the lateness of
their composition.  I don't recall the exact dating of all of the
books, but most --if not all-- were written after the latest of the
canonical books (i.e. Daniel).

Furthermore, while the Deuterocanonical may or may not have been
originally written in Greek, they are clearly deeply _Hellenistic_ in
nature.  Both of these features probably figured heavily in the
rejection of these books from the various canons.

These may not be strict and uniformly applicable criteria by which to
judge the canonicity of these books, but, as these discussions have
shown, I think the one thing we can see is that there _are_ no purely
objective standards for determining canonicity.


: I have a question about SVGA cards.  I have a Tseng 4000 SVGA with 1MB
: memory and 3x 6-bit DACs as far as I know.  To display a 640x480x32768,
: Now:  Can I display 640x480, 15bit/pixel bit-maps on this card?

You can. At the least, your _hardware_ is capable of supporting this mode.
I do know nothing about your video BIOS, though...

: If so, how?

Silly (but fool-proof ;) way: Install Windows with 640x480x32K colors
wideo driver and display your pictures under windows...

Cheese,


NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/21/93.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                  CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS        BEST OF SEVEN
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE

 NJ                  BUF   (leads 2-0)   STL   (leads 2-0)   WIN
 PIT   (leads 2-0)   BOS                 CHI                 VAN   (leads 2-0)

 NYI   (tied  1-1)   MON                 TOR                 LA    (tied  1-1)
 WAS                 QUE   (leads 2-0)   DET   (leads 2-0)   CAL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Toronto Maple Leafs                       0   1   1   -   2
Detroit Red Wings    (leads series 2-0)   1   3   2   -   6

1st period: DET, Lidstrom 1 - (Yzerman, Coffey) (pp) 4:06

2nd period: DET, Fedorov 1 - (sh) 0:43
	    DET, Yzerman 2 - (Coffey, Chiasson) (pp) 8:06
	    DET, Yzerman 3 - (Coffey, Sheppard) 17:40
	    TOR, Mironov 1 - (Gill, Gilmour) 19:10

3rd period: TOR, Gilmour 2 - (Anderson) 4:32
	    DET, Ysebaert 1 - (Kozlov) 5:51
	    DET, Drake 1 - (Kozlov, Kennedy) 18:33

Powerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 8
			Red Wings   2 of 7

Shots on Goal-	Maple Leafs  10   7  13  -  30
		Red Wings    16  11   3  -  30

Toronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (0-2) (30 shots - 24 saves)
Detroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (2-0) (30 shots - 28 saves)

ATT-19,875

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

St. Louis Blues     (leads series 2-0)   2   0   0   -   2
Chicago BlackHawks                       0   0   0   -   0

1st period: STL, Hull 2 - (Brown, Janney) (pp) 7:38
	    STL, Lowry 1 - (sh) 13:53

2nd period: NONE

3rd period: NONE

Powerplay Opportunities-Blues      1 of 5
			BlackHawks 0 of 6

Shots on Goal-	Blues        9   3   5  -  17
		BlackHawks  16  19  12  -  47

St. Louis Blues--Joseph (2-0) (47 shots - 45 saves)
Chicago BlackHawks--Belfour (0-2) (17 shots - 15 saves)

ATT-17,339

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Los Angeles Kings  (series tied 1-1)   1   0   3   -   4
Calgary Flames                         0   5   4   -   9

1st period: LAK, Carson 3 - 1:11

2nd period: CAL, Otto 1 - (Roberts, MacInnis) 5:02
	    CAL, Yawney 2 - (Dahlquist, Ranheim) 8:02
	    CAL, Reichel 1 - (Fleury) (pp) 10:52
	    CAL, Nieuwendyk 1 - (Roberts, Musil) 13:47
	    CAL, Otto 2 - (Dahl) (sh) 19:37

3rd period: LAK, Carson 4 - (Granato, Shuchuk) 5:34
	    CAL, Reichel 2 - (Fleury, MacInnis) (pp) 7:23
	    CAL, Paslawski 1 - (Roberts, Nieuwendyk) 8:14
	    CAL, Fleury 1 - (MacInnis, Nieuwendyk) (pp) 10:37
	    LAK, Rychel 1 - (Blake) 11:56
	    LAK, Kurri 1 - (Gretzky, Zhitnik) (pp) 15:22
	    CAL, Suter 2 - (Skrudland, Berube) 19:15

Powerplay Opportunities-Kings  1 of 7
			Flames 3 of 6

SHots on Goal-	Kings   14   8   9  -  31
		Flames   9  16  15  -  40

Los Angeles Kings--Hrudey (1-1) (40 shots - 31 saves)
Calgary Flames--Vernon (1-1) (31 shots - 27 saves)

ATT-19,477

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Winnipeg Jets                           0   1   1   -   2
Vancouver Canucks  (leads series 2-0)   1   1   1   -   3

1st period: VAN, Ronning 2 - (Courtnall, Linden) 11:37

2nd period: VAN, Courtnall 1 -  6:05
	    WIN, Domi 1 - (King, Barnes) 6:48

3rd period: WIN, Numminen 1 - (Housley, Selanne) (pp) 0:30
	    VAN, Bure 1 - (Adams, Craven) 4:01

Powerplay Opportunities-Jets    1 of 4
			Canucks 0 of 3

Shots on Goal-	Jets      6  10   6  -  22
		Canucks  14   9   9  -  32

Winnipeg Jets--Essensa (0-2) (32 shots - 29 saves)
Vancouver Canucks--McLean (2-0) (22 shots - 20 saves)

ATT-15,729

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: On-line copy of Book of Mormon
Summary:
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300
Keywords: BOM, Book of Mormon, Mormon

Can anyone provide me a ftp site where I can obtain a online version
of the Book of Mormon. Please email the internet address if possible.


It's a moot point: Step out of your door go _anywhere_ (except possibly
your mailbox). You will be "subject to some ad agency's 'poor taste'"

While I'm sure Sagan considers it sacrilegious, that wouldn't be
because of his doubtfull credibility as an astronomer. Modern,
ground-based, visible light astronomy (what these proposed
orbiting billboards would upset) is already a dying field: The
opacity and distortions caused by the atmosphere itself have
driven most of the field to use radio, far infrared or space-based
telescopes. In any case, a bright point of light passing through
the field doesn't ruin observations. If that were the case, the
thousands of existing satellites would have already done so (satelliets
might not seem so bright to the eyes, but as far as astronomy is concerned,
they are extremely bright.)


In response to alleged circular reasoning concerning the morality of
homosexuality, clh poses the following challenge:

I answer,

The circle is simple to break.   The Church teaches that homosexual
behavior is immoral.  This teaching is raw, impassionate, unassailable
dogma.  That closes the argument for me.

--
Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock
Catechist
gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu


cica.indiana.edu pc/drivers  the current version is 2.0


When I say "black," I mean US-born black people for the purposes of this
discussion.  Hispanic players were in baseball before 1947, and one
team in the 50's signed lots of hispanics because they went over better
with the local audience than blacks did.

Don't know.  But remember: this is the country that had special racial
laws for one group and one group only: blacks.  Our national history
includes huge, long-term, global tensions regarding the black minority;
the hispanic minority, while often discriminated against, has never been
the object of national obsession.

Absolutely.  As I said before, I expect that this effect is disappearing.
But it certainly did exist, and all out talk of TWG's and all that is
not without some small reason.

Well, there's the list.  Go for it!  I'll cull some more names as I go.
I expect you're right, btw.


...

That is if Mario makes it.

Pat Walker sounds like the type that would bring an AK-47 to a game
and take pot shots at Mario. ("stand STILL...dam sunavbich...HMFF")


But wouldn't that go for any sin.  My father told me when he was growing
up Catholics were not allowed to associate with anyone who was divorced.
There are a few verses prohibitting divorce.  Somehow, divorce became
acceptable (even in Catholicism anullments).  Certainly it is no longer
a sin to associate with a divorced person.  The point is that each person
has their own temptations to deal with.  Paul repeatedly talks about the
"thorn" in his side, some think it refers to lust, others pride, but
who knows.  Whatever the thorn was, apparently it was not "compatible"
with Christianity, yet does that make his epistles any less?  The Bible
warns us against judging, greed, anxiety, impure thoughts, bearing grudges,
etc., etc.  I suppose we should seek out all the so-called Christians
who have entertained impure thoughts and oust them.  All those who have
given in to greed, get 'em outta here.  Jesus pointed out that he
was the physician for the sinners.  Any attempts to make homosexuals
feel unwelcome because of our discomfort with homosexuality is incompatible
with Christianity.  Is our hatred so deep that rather than see someone
try to become closer to Jesus, we need to keep them away.  Does Jesus need
us to screen out those guilty of a particular sin.  Do we really mistrust
Jesus when he says he can forgive any sin?

Think about it.  Among the people Jesus encountered were sinners and
the Pharisees.  The sinners he embraced and forgave.  The Pharisees,
hypocritcal, unmerciful, self-righteous, pointed out others sins and
did not seek and thus did not gain forgiveness of their own sins.  What
I take from this and other verses is that if we do not admit our sins,
those sins will not be forgiven.  And since those guilty of even one sin
are guilty of the whole law, those not repenting the judging of others
are guilty, as guilty as if they committed the same sin they judged others
of.

The poor in spirit, meek, humble, merciful, pure of heart, peacemakers,
those who thirst for justice, those who suffer for His sake are blessed.


Well... all the way through a decreasing-radius corner, anyway...

OK (but I'm right!)  :^)

If that's the "official line" taught in those rider education classes
you were refering to, that also don't teach countersteering, I have to
question the quality of the classes.  The "official line" in MSF
curricula is as I described.  Maximum braking is achieved by applying
both brakes equally, when the weight distribution is nominally even and
both tires have equal normal forces, and easing off on the rear to
prevent locking it, and increasing braking on the front, as more
traction is available to the front due to increased normal force due to
weight shift.

The "official line" you have been taught seems ineffective on the face
of it.  Applying the rear brake after the front is not taking advantage
of all the traction available to the rear at time 0, and is halving the
available braking power by using only the front at time 0.

Not necessarily true.  "Chirping" the tire indicates impending lockup
(on most surfaces), and serves as a good guide to newbies to indicate
maximum braking.  I agree that totally locking the front occasionally
makes one a better rider, but it is a manuver best saved for an
experienced rider, unless you have one of those outrigger bikes like
Code used to use.

True, but from the point of view of how to best *teach* riding skills
(which is how this discussion started), "keep both wheels just on the
point of sliding" is nearly useless information.  You need to teach a
*technique*, or at least a strategy, to achieve this.


I knew, despite the lack of a full game telecast last week, it was still
too much hockey for Atlanta. Atlanta's ABC has declined to pick up any
playoff games till May9. And even when they show the games on MAy9 and May16,
they will continue to skip the first half hour of the telecast. I know this
is still a better situation compared to rest of Georgia, Alabama, etc., but
it is still pretty annoying. At least in PIttsburgh, we had a network preemptionchannel which showed all netwoork shows prempted by the local affiliate.

I asked them what their problem was. I told them that a local 1.9 rating was
not that bad considering it was the first NHL game shown after a long time
without much promotion. Besides, their syndicated programming in the afternoon
is usually low rated. So what did they have to lose by showing NHL playoffs.
She told me that they had contractual obligations. I asked her if golf
was shown oin ABC, would contractual obligations come in the way. And how come
contractual obligations didn't come in the way of last week's telecast? She
then couldn't give me a coherent answer.

Also, I added that Atlanta had one of the highest neutral site game
attendances and that the demographics were good. I think ABC and other networks
should begin to tie their high rated programs like Roseanne in with
 thier sports programming.
I hope that everyone in Atlanta who reads this bboard calls WSB 2 and complain
bitterlyt about this. Tell them you will stop watching their news telecasts
since they seem to be very unprofessional in handling this situation.


Hello,

  I am considering buying the Hummingbird X-Windows software for a MS-Windows
3.1 PC (386-40MHZ, NE2000 Ethernet board).  Would anyone tell me if they
are using this package in a similar environment and if they are happy with
it?  I will be connecting to Sun SparcStation 10 running Sun OS 4.1.3.

Thanks very much,


Brian Kendig also declares:

"Christ" is Greek for "Messiah".  "Messiah" means "Annointed One".
"Annoint" means "to rub with oil, i.e. to anoint; by impl. to
consecrate"     The major prophet Daniel uses the word "Messiah"
in Daniel chapter 9.


STK1203@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU Pontificated:

One of the sci.space FAQ postings deal with this.  It's archived
somewhere.  Perhaps someone can post where it is (I don'
remember).


What tube does the Viewsonic 17 use?  Does is support 1600x1280?  I've been
looking a a Philips 1762DT which uses a Sony Trinitron tube, has digital
controls, supports up to 1280x1024NI, and has .25mm dot pitch - It can be
found for under $1000.


Hello
	I recently accelerated my Mac Plus (MicroMac 25MHz accelerator)
and now I can't get my Mac to boot off of the hard disk.  It boots fine
from a floppy, and I can mount the hard disk using SCSI probe, but I
cannot get it to boot from the hard drive.  I installed a new driver, so I
don't think that is the problem.
	This poses a rather large problem.  I only have 4 Meg of RAM, and
I need to run Mathematica, which requires 5 Meg.  I was hoping to use
system 7 virtual memory so that I could run Mathematica.  However, I can't
run system 7 from a floppy, so I can't get enough RAM.
	Any suggestions? Thanks for your time--
						Chrisw@yang.earlham.edu


Here's a summary of Don Cherry's Coach's Corner from April 21, 1993.
The game being broadcast in my region was LA and Calgary, although
I think it was filmed during the Toronto-Detroit game that night.

(Warning... Anti-fighting people may want to skip this post.)

Topics
------

Don's Tie, Grant Fuhr, Penalties, Wings vs Leafs, Fighting, Dale Hunter.

Episode Summary
---------------

This episode began with the camera zoomed in on Don's tie. Don was
pointing out the characters on the tie... Bugs Bunny, Foghorn Leghorn,
and Yosemite Sam (who Don called Lanny Macdonald.)

Ron Maclean began by mentioning that Don was almost evicted from a
hotel where he was watching the previous night's games, because of
all the yelling and cheering he was doing over the play of Hunter
and Fuhr.

Don began to praise Fuhr, calling him the "greatest goalie", and
said that he's winning the series against Boston all by himself.
He then showed clips from earlier episodes (Nov. 14, Jan. 16) when
Fuhr was still with the Leafs, and Don advised "Don't Trade Fuhr!"

Don went on to predict that if Buffalo gets by Boston, it would
be Fuhr who wins the series. Muckler took a lot of heat for the
trade, but Don feels Muckler's been vindicated.

The next topic involved how playoff games are being ruined by
too many penalty calls. He showed a clip from a Winnipeg-Vancouver
game, where Domi hit a Vancouver player, and was given a 2 min. penalty.
Ron said that it was called a penalty because his stick was involved,
but Don stuck with the opinion that it was a good hit, with Domi
hitting the Vancouver player with his shoulder. Don: "Its sad what
they're doing for hockey... a 5 minute penalty for a nosebleed."

Next, they went to the playoff series between Detroit and Toronto.
People in Detroit were calling Wendel Clarke "Wendy" for not fighting.
However, Don pointed out that Probert was not fighting either.

This lead Don into a tirad about fighting and stickwork, and how
banning fighting leads to more high sticking: "It's like college
hockey... The little wee guy with the visor is brave as anybody.
That's why you're seeing so much stickwork. Because they know you
won't drop your gloves and give them a shot. The rules are made
by people who don't know what's going on in hockey".

The final topic Don discussed was Dale Hunter. Don pointed out
that he was leading the league in goals, and showed a clip
of Hunter from a previous game. When he was younger, Hunter was
taught to "play to win", which differs from today's idea of
just letting kids have fun.

At then end of the episode, they showed a clip from a coach's
corner, with the tape on fast forward, so that Don sounded like
one of the chipmunks.

Rating
------
Typical anti-fighting posturing, not too much humour, but some
good quotes.

I'd give it a 7.0 out of 10.

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   \  \                   |Allan Sullivan (allan@cs.ualberta.ca)
    \  \                  |Department of Computing Science,
     \  \_______          |University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
      \    ###  \     _   |---------------------------------------------------
       \___###___\   (_)  |My opinions are mine and mine alone.
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"It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the
 credit..."          - U. of A. Golden Bears Hockey Motto (C. Drake)


a) Dominican
b) not all that light-hitting.  .304 lifetime, .315 or so in 1966-73
when he did most of his playing.
c) Professional pinch-hitter after that.  Yes, that also gives you
Jerry Hairston.

Beginning 10th year now.

Good one.

Not the same thing.  LOTS of people are bad OFs.

Not all that light either.  .750 OPS.

Not 10 year.

10-year this year.

Not 10-year.

Not 10-year.

Yup.

OK.

10-year this year.

*Six*-year this year.

Brock, Coleman, and Wilson were hot-dog basestealers (also Lonnie Smith);
that seems to be a special class.  CFs like Pettis and Wilson also get
more of a break, especially if they actually *do* field well.  And Brock
wasn't all that bad a hitter either, not until the end there when he
spoiled his ifetime .300 BA.

And again, I suspect thatthe problem is lessening over time.  But if
you look at the history of the last three decades, there seems to
be a clear race-based pattern by which utility players and platoon
players and lesser talents stayed in the ML far longer if they were
white.

Light hitting?  199 HR, .793 lifetime OPS mainly with *HOUSTON*?
Also Latin, btw.

Come back in 1999 and we'll party^H^H^H^H^H talk.


--> A humble response to a letter by Gordon Lang written 04-21-93  22:09.

 GL> :  I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null
 GL> modem : cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last
 GL> statement.)  What I'm : asking is what pins does it use (or what are
 GL> it's specifications?)  I just want : to solder one myself instead of
 GL> buying one.  I don't even know what port is : used.

You may want to save yourself the trouble and go to Radio Shack.  They have
a null modem adapter which is a 9 pin connector that swaps the necessary
pins to allow two machines to communicate.  These are a lot easier than
soldering the connections yourself, and usually a bit more reliable.

... P.E.T.A. People for the Eating of Tasty Animals
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


	Does anyone know of a fractal terrain generator for Mac, something
	I could hopefully import into a 3D program like Swivel or Stratavision?
	I know Infini-D has built in capabilities, but I don't have access to
	Infini-D. I downloaded two programs from Umich, in graphics/fractals,
	but both were from 1990-91 and crashed under System 7. I think they
	were Black and white anyway. Please, email me if you know of anything,
	as I don't check the newsgroups very often.
		Thanks in advance.
			Dan Bradley deb47099@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


Editorial - A10, Saturday, April 24, 1993

    CRIMESTRIKE HITS TOWN

    With the chilling reality of crime at the hands of urban terrorists
    that were noted above (a high school student and gang article in the
    same column), we welcome into the ranks of those dedicated to re-
    moving criminals from the streets the National Rifle Association's
    new CrimeStrike project, engineered by Arizona's former chief assist-
    ant attorney general Steven J. Twist.

    CrimeStrike is working to reverse the disturbing trend of daily
    crime.  It is promoting solutions that can be applied nationally,
    including tough and honest sentencing of the sort that Arizona is
    applying with its Truth in Sentencing law; funding construction and
    staffing of appropriate prison space; ensuring that the system is
    primed to punish serious youthful offenders; strict attention to the
    rights of victims; and citizen and community involvement.

    Phoenix will be the home for this national organization.

    The Gazette has vigorously opposed many NRA policies on issues of gun
    control, and will be resolute in promoting prudent laws that seek
    reasonable regulation of firearms.

    But CrimeStrike is an appropriate creation, a response to a clear
    need for more robust vigilance in holding legislators and judges ac-
    countable when it comes to swiftly and surely punishing criminals.

    When an organization has an issue, it has an issue, and Crime-
    Strike has it - especially when it is willing to direct its dollars
    to getting criminals off the street.


My fiancee' and I do quite a bit of sporty riding 2-up.  I'll tell you
what we've found and the systems we've worked out.

- On starts, accelerate MUCH slower than usual.  It's tough for the rider
to judge how scary fast acceleration is, because we're holding onto something
and leaning forward.  Remember this.

- On turns, have her lean forward and at the same angle as you (normally
this means she isn't leaning at all.)  It's very disconcerting to be leaned
over and have your passenger leaning so that they're sitting straight up.
Much balance is lost and this can be dangerous.

- On slowing and stopping, do so MUCH slower than usual.  Again, it's tough
for the rider to judge how scary fast deceleration is, because we're holding
onto something and leaning forward.  However, you'll figure it out fast
because braking too fast will shove the passenger forward into you, which
shoves you into the tank at an inopportune location.

- Generally, have the passenger keep her knees against you and the bike, not
out wide.  This helps balance and gives her somegrip.

- When you passenger is in fear, she will squeeze her knees against you.
Normally this means "slow down, and do it now!".

We only have a couple signals.  "Slow down" is her either tapping me on
the back, or slapping my helmet with all her might.  Depends on the urgency
of the matter :-)

"Turn here" is done by her pointing in the direction of an exit.  This is
also the sign for "cool!  Look at that."  "I hafta pee" is the same sign
as "turn here".  "I'm hungry" is the same sign.  "Go faster" is usually
done by her jumping up and down on her pegs in glee.  I usually see "slow
down" more often than "go faster".

The best thing to do before the ride is to talk to a riding buddy, and
pillion on his or her bike.  It's incredibly frustrating, because you're
in almost no control.  Now, multiply that feeling times ten, because
you as a rider know what your bike will do, and your passenger will likely
feel you're about to scrape hard parts all the time, or lock up the brakes
at any moment, or go careening off the edge of a volcanic mountain, etc.
Pillioning yourself is good training to take somebody on your pillion pad.

Also, remember that it's much more draining and tiring to ride 2-up
than by yourself, because you're concentrating on much more, and
"in the Zen of the moment" less.  Remember this.

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   Pat Loughery [patlo@microsoft.com] Seattle, WA
	 DoD #393, AMA, VME, DIOC, 1KSI=2.53
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