Right.  Most definitely.

This may be the root of the confusion...

Please consider the following hypothetical with an open mind.  Note
that I am *not* (yet) saying that it has anything to do with the
question at hand.

Suppose we have a simplified Lotto game.  You pick a number from 1-10
and win if that number is drawn.  Suppose we have a large population
of people who play this game every week.

In the first year of the game, approximately 1/4 of the population
will win 7 or more times.

In the second year of the game, 1/4 of those 7-time winners will again
be 7-time winners.

In the third year of the game, 1/4 of those who won 7 or more times in
each of the first two years will win 7 again.

Suppose I started with 1024 people in my population.  After three
years, I have 32 people who have consistently, in each of the last
three years, won 140% or more the number of times expected.

Do we expect them to be big winners in the fourth year of the game?
No.  Because we know there is no skill involved.  Nothing about these
"consistent winners" can influence their chances of winning.  But
suppose we *don't* know whether or not there is a chance that skill
might be involved.  Perhaps some of the people in our population are
psychic, or something.  How would we test this hypothesis?

We can look for correlations in the population.  Now most of the
population will show zero correlation.  But our psychics should show a
high positive correlation (even if they aren't very good psychics,
they should still manage to win 7 or more times most years).  Net
result?  A small positive correlation over the entire population.

Well, zero correlation is zero correlation.  You mention that Sabo has
hit poorly in the clutch over the last 3(?) years.  But if we look at
the past, we find that clutch patterns are just as likely to reverse
as they are to remain consistent.  The length of the streak doesn't
seem to make a difference to the probability that the player will be
clutch or choke the next year.  Is there any reason to expect *this*
streak to be different from past streaks?

Now if it were true that "75% of all three-year streaks remained true
to form", then we might have something useful.  But then we wouldn't
have zero correlation.  Instead we have "50% of all three-year streaks
remain true to form, and 50% of all three-year streaks reverse".  You
look at those numbers and say "three year choke streak implies more
likely to choke this year".  But it would be equally valid to look at
those numbers and say "three year choke streak implies more likely to
be clutch this year", since the probabilities are split 50-50 each
way.

Then we would have something useful.  And we would also have a
positive correlation.  But for every individual that exhibits such a
pattern and holds true, there is another who exhibits such a pattern
and then reverses.


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	As far as I know, a save opportunity is when it is 7th inning or
beyond, and the batter on deck can either tie or win the ball game.
	For example If it is the bottom of the 8th inning and Clemens is
pithching. The Red Sox are leading 4-1 and Clemens has just givin up a hit. So,
there is a man on first, the batter, and the batter on deck could tie the game
with a homer.  If Jeff Russel came in, (The Red Sox reliever), and finished the
game without allowing the tieing or losing run to score, he would get the save
and Clemens would get the win.
                                                Thats how I beleive it works.


I have a question about accessing certain addresses on a chip,
particulary a 27C512 EPROM.  Although I don't know that much about it, as I
understand it, there's a pin on the chip that, when voltage is applied, kicks
up the address.  The question is how do you determine how many bytes the
address is incremented by??  For example, if I have code I want to be
accessed at $2000 and also at say $4000 how do I move the address pointer to
those positions??  Thanks for any info...


What we currently know as the 240sx, is known elsewhere as a 200sx.


Well, thanks largely to subscribers of this group, here's xrastool 1.0,
the animation package I started just over 3 weeks ago. A number of the
solutions provided through discussions here have been incorporated in
the code, so have a look! The full blurb has been posted to
comp.windows.x.announce.

This post is in two parts. To unpack the source code, extract the
articles into file1 and file2 (for example). Use a text editor to
remove leading and trailing text at the "---cut here---" markers
(including the markers themselves). Next type "cat file1 file2 >
file", then "uudecode file" and "zcat xrastool1.0.tar.Z | tar xvf -".
Read the README file for instructions on how to proceed from there.
Enjoy!

Derek

P.S. The source is also available for anon ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu
in the contrib/ directory. If there is enough demand, a static binary
will be provided for those without the XView libraries or include
files.

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I would appreciate very much the address and/or phone # of
this company. They supposely make analog EEPROMS. Thanks in
advance.


Brian Ceccarelli presents us with the fallacy of False Dichotomy in stating
that we must accept every thing in the books attributed to Peter, or we must
discount every other book of antiquity:

Mr Ceccarelli, you seem to be stating that we must accept accept everything
written in every "historical" document.  Somehow I doubt do that yourself
that.  Thus since I doubt you accept everything written in every historical
document, I would ask how you can thereby objectively justify complete faith
in the words of the books attributed to Peter.

I shall now give an example of a document from antiquity, which I am sure you
reject; it dates from the time of Ramses II (This was first presented here by
Matthew Wiener).  These inscriptions were carved soon after a battle, and were
carved with the Pharoah's specific approval so we have true originals, rather
than mere copies.  This account records the the battle of Kadesh (circa 1285
BC), which occurred on the river Orontes, (about 100 miles south of Aleppo).
The Egyptians won this battle with the Hittites, and Ramses had his victory
inscribed all over the place.  A few of of these inscriptions have survived in
near perfect form.  It is a record of how the Pharoah pretty much
single-handedly defeated the Hittites, after being separated from his troops.

Note that the Egyptian wavers back and forth between first and third person.
The following is from Miriam Lichtheim`s _Ancient Egyptian Literature_ volume
II.

	My majesty caused the forces of the foes from Hitti to fall
	on their faces, one upon the other, as crocodiles fall, into
	the water of the Orontes.  I was after them like a griffin;
	I attacked all the countries, I alone.  For my infantry and
	my chariotry had deserted me; not one of them stood looking
	back.  As I live, as Ra loves me, as my father Atum favors
	me, everything that my majesty has told I did it in truth,
	in the presence of my infantry and my chariotry.

(Note: This paragraph records not only Ramses "divine word," but also that
there were thousands of witnesses to the event.  Now from the heart of
battle.)

	Then his majesty drove at a gallop and charged the forces
	of the Foe from Hitti, being alone by himself, none other
	with him.  His majesty proceeded to look about him and
	found 2500 chariots ringing him on his way out ...

	No officer was with me, no charioteer,
	No soldier of the army, no shield-bearer;
	My infantry, my chariotry yielded before them,
	Not one of them stood firm to fight with them.
	His majesty spoke: "What is this, father Amun?
	Is it right for a father to ignore his son?
	Are my deeds a matter for you to ignore?
	Do I not walk and stand at your word?
	I have not neglected an order you gave.
	Too great is he, the great lord of Egypt,
	To allow aliens to step on his path!
	What are these Asiatics to you, O Amun,
	The wretches ignorant of god?
	Have I not made for you many great monuments,
	...
	I call to you, my father Amun,
	I am among a host of strangers;
	All countries are arrayed against me,
	I am alone, there's none with me!
	...
	The labors of many people are nothing,
	Amun is more helpful than they;
	I came here by the command of your mouth,
	O Amun, I have not transgressed your command!"

	Now though I prayed in a distant land,
	My voice resounded in Southern Thebes.
	I found Amun came when I called to him,
	He gave me his hand and I rejoiced.
	He called from behind as if near by:
	"Forward, I am with you,
	I your father, my hand is with you,
	I prevail over a hundred thousand men,
	I am lord of victory, lover of valor!"
	I found my heart stout, my breast in joy,
	All I did succeeded, I was like Mont.
	...
	I slaughtered among them at my will,
	Not one looked behind him,
	Not one turned around,
	Whoever fell down did not rise.
	...
	One called out to the other saying:
	"No man is he who is among us,
	It is Seth great-of-strength, Baal in person;
	Not deeds of man are these his doings,
	They are of one who is unique,
	Who fights a hundred thousand without soldiers and chariots,
	Come quick, flee before him,
	To seek life and breathe air;
	For he who attempts to get close to him,
	His hands, all his limbs grow limp.
	One cannot hold either bow or spears,
	When one sees him come racing along!"
	My majesty hunted them like a griffin,
	I slaughtered among them unceasingly.

So you see Brian, we have a few original manuscripts recording the miraculous
battle between the Ramses and the Hittites.  Do you reject them as being
*completely* true? I suspect you do, and if so, then do you also, in your own
words:

    "question the existence of Alexander the Great, Tilgrath Pilisar III,
     Nero, Caligula, Josephus, Cyrus the Great, Artexerxes?"

Do you also thereby question all their documents? That`s the problem with your
"all or nothing" approach.  Many ancient people used to mix a bit of fancy
with their facts.  So for you to say that we must either accept all of Peter
(and the rest of the New Testament) or accept no records of antiquity at all,
forces you thereby, to accept the verity of documents you probably do not find
completely credible.

As to your other argument that so many people have testified to Jesus, that he
must be true:

I have three points.

First, this is "argumentum ad populum" (ie: appeal to popular opinion); you
cannot vote on truth.  For instance, do the millions of Hindu's past and
present who testify to the reality of Brahma, constitute actual evidence for
the existence of Brahma? How would you answer your own question in regards to
the testimony of Hindus:

	"With a scoff of your keyboard, with near complete ignorance of
	 the testimonies, are you going to say that that is all complete
	 hooey?"

If you do so "scoff," then how do you objectively justify your own special
pleading?

Second, it is not at all clear that King Solomon or King David testified to
Jesus.  You can claim it to be clear, but that does not make it true.

Third, it is quite arguable that Abraham Lincoln was not Christian, and that
he had both a public and a private view of Christianity.  In fact there was
much discussion about it in his day (yes, he was publically accused of being a
deist.  Oh my).  I am presently collecting a FAQ for Lincoln as I've
previously done for Tyre, Jefferson and etc.

				Later,

				Dave Butler


k
Sorry ... should have used correct terminology

1 Quid = 1 Knicker = 1.54 approx U.S. Dollars

The Terry Pratchett Book "Good Omens" contains an adequate explanation
of the rather strange UK money system, past and present for "Americans,
Tibetans, and other alien species" :-)


("like most good ideas,..." please, people!)

_Five Weeks in a Balloon_. Not a good idea unless you have helium.
Verne's protagonists didn't. They just got increadibly lucky.

And yes, I knew the title of the movie too, just didn't want to start
talking about it. Except to bring up the image of a team of S. African
Bushmen showing up at a launch site with spears and flint knives
to stop the launch (anyone want to bet on their success in doing so?
especially since they could probably stop a shuttle launch by sneezing
too hard within a couple miles of the launch site).


Well, I don't want shorter games *per se*, but I would like for them to stop
*wasting* so much time during games. The Gant incident is a perfect example.
When a guy comes to the plate, he should be up there to hit, not show off
(or show up the umpire, which is clearly what Gant was doing). I feel like
writing a fan letter to Hirschbeck.

 Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com


hIn article <Apr22.185314.14420@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>

Far more effective than mass mailing of a standard letter (this is taken
usually to represent one pressure group) is a set of individual letters.

Perhaps Nathaniel Sammons or someone else would like to prepare a set of
"talking points" from which individuals could compose their own letters.


: >There is a wire without any jack at the end sticking out of the wall. So you
: >need to connect the wires (I'm not sure if they have wall jacks in Western
: >Europe - they may).
:
:   Son of the Return of the "How much does Americans know about the rest of
: the word?"-flamewar anyone?

  Well, Bertil, you might laugh, but in many places here in Austria, there are
no wall jacks yet, either - just wires sticking out of the wall (and put into
a closed, often sealed, box) :-)
  As far as I remember from Germany, it is a nicely mixed situation - somebody
had wires sticking, somebody had jacks...
  On the other hand, everywhere in Bohemia I have seen wall jacks, and never
seen just wires sticking out of the wall... And I thought Slovakia was the
same case. Well...

  "How much do Scandinavians know about the rest of Europe?? :-))"

							Tom
--


I would guess the high price of gas in Europe (compared to the US) has
always favoured 4-cylinder manuals.

small engines with autos are a real bore...

But why not turn the question around, why are automatics so common in
the US?

My guess is that when they tried to couple manuals to the torque-rich
V8's in the sixties the clutches turned out as real killers you had to
use both feet to depress, and that this has just lived on.

And also, an automatic with a V8 engine can be real fun to drive.

Markus

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  / |  / |   / |   /   / /  /  /   / /
 /  | /  |  /__|  /___/ /--|  /   / /___     '75 Chevy Camaro 350/TH350
/   |/   | /   | /   | /   | /___/ ____/     '87 Peugout 205 1.4/4-speed


In the abstract, what you're saying is true.  But the facts happen to
agree with me, and disagree completely with you.

Listen, Pinkas.  I'm going to count on the supposition that you think
through the opinions you have - something which is, by the way, against
my better judgment based on what I've seen from you to date.  We are
agreed, aren't we, that dictionaries are *reference books* for the usage
of a given language, and in particular for the meanings of the words and
phrases which comprise that language?  Now, you are using meanings
completely different from, indeed in some cases diametrically different
from, those given in the dictionary.  As a reference book, a dictionary
contains those meanings in both past and (as much as it can) in current
use.  That's also why they are updated so often.  Now, if you are saying
things which you give different meanings than the dictionary does, and
using non-standard meanings about every word, what is your chance of
being taken at face value...?

Just about none.  Just about no one will take you that way because the
words mean something different to them.  It's quite clear to me from
the response this thread has been getting that that is exactly what is
happening.  Ponder that.

What you did was ask a leading question.  In English idiom, the phrase
"and guess why..." in the way you used it is a loaded question, with
only one answer expected.

I also take offense at being told I cannot read by someone who is
obviously having trouble with the subject himself.  Mr. Pinkas, I am a
PhD candidate in my field.  One does not get to PhD candidacy if one
cannot read.

Balderdash.  You know this is false.  I would be able to make the
abstraction if it bore any resemblance to the facts of the matter.
Yours did not.  The analogy is utterly inapplicable.

I wouldn't be in the field I'm in -- astrophysics -- if I couldn't make
abstractions and speculate about the general grand scheme of things.  I
also wouldn't be in education -- which I am (and my students give me
rather good reviews I'd add) -- if I couldn't draw such analogies.

The vast majority of Palestinians in Israeli prisons aren't tortured,
and their houses weren't blown up by the army.  In fact, you've seen me
protesting such measures ON THIS NET before.  Are you now trying to
intimate my agreement with them?

Do you know the meanings of the words you use or do you expect the
reader to read your mind?  I can read just fine thank you.  And I don't
need someone who is obviously having some troubles with a tongue which
isn't his native one telling me how to read the words in my own native
tongue.  If it were Spanish, I'd ask you.

Yes, they are.  As you well know.

Balderdash.  See above.  Once again, you have a lot of gall and
absolutely no right to lecture a native speaker of a language, who is
well educated in it, in a language which isn't your own native tongue
and with which you're obviously having problems.

Social life is one thing, legal status is another.  Once again, this is
a leading question.

Final question:  Is it possible to be both Jewish and Muslim?  Jewish
and Christian?  Your response will be enlightening.


    Anything but...

    Bill Clinton and Janett Reno should not have started the whole
    shenanigan in the first place.

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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.


There is an article in Communications Week (April 12's issue) which
states definitively that not only is the justice department trying to revive
the "wiretapping bill", but they are ALSO trying to find a way to force key
registration.  CLIPPER is an obvious thrust in exactly this direction.
Dorothy Dennings is quoted in this missive.

Communications Week, April 12th, page 8.  Read it and get peeved folks.
Then ACT NOW or lose your fundamental right to privacy.

Clinton has shown us that his only interest in this has to do with abortion,
and not the right of all citizens to be secure in their papers and effects.


Well, I've come into some money and want to buy CD-ROM, sound board
and speakers.  I have not kept up on any material relating to sound
boards and CD-ROM's because until now I never thought I'd have enough
money.

  So can you guru's out there point me in the direction of a good
package including CD-ROM, sound, and speakers (and software I
suppose)... OR since I don't REALLY need the CD-ROM right now give me
some good ideas for sound boards and speakers.  Those I could REALLY
use now.  I have looked at SoundBlaster Pro, which costs about as much
as I think I want to spend on a board (~$120), and I've looked at the
Gravis Sound board, which is about $140 and I don't know the
adv/disadv of either of these boards.

  Right now I want to use it with any games that support sound, and to
use in Windows 3.1 to utilize sound capabilities there.  So any
concise info on sound boards, complete multimedia packages, etc would
be greatly appreciated.  If anyone else is interested in this info I
would be glad to summarize responses and post.

  And if this is some type of FAQ please point me in the right
direction and don't bother taking up a lot of bandwidth.  Thanks!

-=- Brett


This doesn't work, due to the near-field far-field effect. You may stop
someone five yards away from listening in, but someone fifty yards away will
be relatively unaffected - unless you pump out hundreds of watts and jam all
the neighbourhood TV's as well. In that case the government will stomp on you -
ask any radio ham! Democratic governments care even more about their voters'
right to watch soap operas than they do about national security, and dictators
consider their propaganda to be an integral part of their national security.

I'm afraid this doesn't work either. We can pick up laptop screens without any
problem.

Most of the so-called `low radiation' monitors are also useless. The description
turns out to a marketing assertion rather than an engineering one.

We thought there might be a market for a monitor which was not as hugely
expensive as the military Tempest kit, but which was well enough shielded to
stop eavesdropping using available receivers. We built a prototype, it works,
and it's still sitting on my lab bench. Commercial interest was exactly zero.

In the absence of open standards, a monitor which really is `low radiation'
(and costs 500 dollars more) can't compete against a monitor which just
claims to be `low radiation' (and whose only extra cost of production is the
pretty blue sticker on the box).


...

One might well ask if CA gun owners have given up on the NRA/CRPA.

The national NRA doesn't march in and get things passed.  They provide
a convenient label for local activities/activists.

-andy


When I went thru all the spinning chair tests at JSC the PhD in charge
was Milt Reshke but the technician who strapped me in and, on occasion,
inserted the "probe" (needle) was named Bev Bloodworth.


Sigh.  Here we go again.

Must I?  If I were to say that batting average is a predictor that
can be used to judge which of two hitters is more likely to get a
hit on a particular plate appearance, is that only valid if I can
define the skill in hitting a baseball?  That's all I've said,
except I used the smaller sample of batting average in clutch situations.

I did not say I could predict the future.  I've suggested that the
statistic is not necessarily meaningless.  Here's the data for this
situation:

		Non-Clutch			Clutch
		AB	H	BA		AB	H	BA

Sabo		1539	452	.294		259	59	.228
Samuel		1564	383	.245		278	83	.299

If you were to have been the Reds manager at that time, I assume you
would have had some basis for letting Sabo hit rather than pinch-
hitting Samuel.  I'm sure some of that basis would have utilized
prior performance.  You just wouldn't have used this particular
aspect of prior performance.  Is this not correct?

One more time.  I did *not* claim to be able to predict the future.
I said that I accept the above data as an indication that Samuel would
have had a better chance for success in that situation than Sabo.

And I am not dismissing your work.  I'm stating my opinion.
You are saying that your work renders any opinion to the contrary
invalid, so that the retention of that opinion is some kind of insult
to your work.

I did not say that clutch-hitting is well defined.

	I said that the data is significant  to me.

I did not say that it is a consistent skill.

	I have said that it is an indicator of performance under a
	certain set of circumstances.

And, [big sigh]

I have NOT
	NOT
	 NOT
	  NOT
	   NOT
	    NOT
	     NOT EVER called you or anyone else on r.s.b. "stupid".

It is nice, however, to see that you will consider the possibility
that you actually could have some preconceived biases.

Ah.  I knew we could get to the name calling.  And there's that word
you like so much.

Wait a minute.  I thought I first had to define clutch hitting.
Do I, or don't I?

I made two statements in my post.

1.	I am not convinced of your conclusions regarding clutch hitting.

2.	I would have hit for Sabo.

As for #2, many of us make a number of written statements through
this media about what we think will happen in baseball.  I'm not
shy about it.  I'll make the statement again.  I believe that by
season's end that Chris Sabo's batting average in clutch situations
will be significantly lower than his batting average in non-clutch
situations.  I can't prove that it will happen, so I guess we'll
just have to wait and see.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  - - - - - - - -  - - - - - - - - - -
Here's another one for you.  In 1989 - 1991 Joe Carter's batting
average in clutch situations was significantly below his batting
average in non-clutch situations each year.  I presume you think
this is random.

Non-Clutch:	1585 AB		411 H		.259
Clutch:		 338 AB		 68 H		.201

So what could we expect in 1992 from Mr. Carter?

Well, his composite BA through 1989 was .268;  through 1990 was
.262;  through 1991 was .263, so I think we have a pretty good
idea of what kind of batting average he can produce.  In 1992
he hit .264.  Not surprising, huh?  Also in 1992:

Non-Clutch:	 536 AB		144 H		.269
Clutch:		  86 AB		 20 H		.233

No, this doesn't prove any overall statistical trend that can
be used to predict future performance across the breadth of
major league ballplayers.  It just makes me think that in 1993
Joe Carter's batting average in the clutch is not going to be
as high as his ba in non-clutch situations.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

As for #1 (above), I have plenty of company.  John Dewan of STATS,INC. is
the editor of The Scouting Report wherein the statistics regarding
clutch hitting are compiled, reported and referenced in the text.
Bill James makes numerous references to a player's ability to hit
well in the clutch.  I am not saying that I can predict the future
any more than they are.   You (and others) are saying that your
work renders their statements (and mine) meaningless.  I don't
accept that, which in your words proves that I am a "total idiot".

"Stupid".  "Total idiot".

My, my.  Such hostility.

--	The Beastmaster


: My 83 Nighthawk has two (related?) problems with the ignition system:
:
:   - it won't start when on cold mornings ( 10 C, 50 F or so)
:   - I always need to give it gas when starting it, even when using
:     the clutch.
:
:   This all still happens after a tune-up and a new battery,
:   any ideas on what could be wrong with the bike?

I think you have the choke (starter) jet blocked and even the idle one.


You have perhaps heard of the Dead Sea.  I may be wrong, but I believe
it is not misnamed.  And I don't believe that humans had a hand in it,
although it is possible since the great cedar forests of Lebanon were
but a memory by the time of Christ if not earlier.

But, more on the point, while Nature is the may be the more prolific
"despoiler", Man is certainly the more creative.  We have to our
credit pesticides and heavy metals, not to mention radioactivity,
which is so wonderfully persistent and fatal (not that we invented
radioactivity or heavy metals, we only concentrated them so that they
would be a more lethal threat).

In general I find Mr. Bacon's arguments rhetorical, devoid of sense,
and therefore trivial.

BTW, is there any reason this discussion is on phl.misc?


    This is the first I hear that Koresh refused to release
    someone.  In fact, a lot of people, including children, came out
    during the stand-off.

    How do you know Koresh killed his followers?  The FBI said
    he had had no such plans (and they had the place bugged), Koresh's
    attorney said the same thing, and the survivors claimed that the
    fire was started by goverment agents.

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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.


I just received a music software WinSong for Windows and found that it needs
a MIDI/sound card (Sound Blaster Pro is preferred) to have its fantastic
features show up. As I don't have the plan to add a sound card now, I am
putting it here for sale. It's listed $79.95 on April issue of WINDOWS
magazine and I paid $84.95 as the total. I am asking around $70 with shipping
included.

WinSong for Windows:

Composer, sequencer (tape deck), and Juke Box all in one.

It's a word processor for music - you can write and edit (cut, paste, move
and copy, etc) notes and symbols, play and print your composition.

It's graphical user interface works like a multi-track tape recorder.
Up to 64 musical tracks can be arranged for play, record, rewind, fast-forward
and stop.

It plays music on any MIDI compatible instrument - piano, guitar, drum set,
saxophone, clarinet, organ, and many.

You do not need to be a musician to use this software. The on-line manual
is handy. For musicians, it's great as writing music is not a tedious and
stifling aspect.


Hey American Hockey fans,

As a hockey fan I can sympathize with thefrustration that you feel.  The
problem is that other Americans don't give a shit about hockey.  They view
it as a bunch of Canadians with bad accents and missing teeth beating the
shit out of each other on a patch of ice when it is too warm now in
two-thirds of the US to see the stuff naturally.  On the other hand
BASEBALL is the *gasp**swoon**sigh* "NATIONAL PASTTIME".  BASEBALL is so
romanticized in the US that you are supposed to forget that other sport
exist after April 1 and before November 1.  I feel that since ESPN shows 5+
BASEBALL games a week they should be able to show an OT hockey game instead
of the opening innings of a BASEBALL game.  Hell, the game is going to last
2hrs 45mins, so what if you miss the first 1 1/2 hrs?  And I am an Indians
fan!  Show the end of what you started, then switch!  But then, I'm a
hockey fan, what do I know?  BASEBALL is the all mighty sport.


(about my reply)

It a society that is constantly on the verge of flaming, Usenet, diplomacy
is the best way to ensure the voice of reason gets through, isn't it?

Kevin, unfortunately you are now delving into field I know too little
about, algorithms. Your reasoning, as I see it, is very much along the
lines of Roger Penrose, who claimed that mathematical 'insight' cannot
be algorithmic in his book _The emperor's new mind: Concerning
computers, minds, and the laws of physics_. However, Penrose's
claim that he _has_ mathematical insight, or your similar claim
that wavefunctions collapse only when we consciously take a look,
could be just illusions.

We are obviouslu taking very different viewpoints - I try to ponder
on the problem of consciousness from an evolutionary perspective,
realising that it might not be anything special, but certainly
useful. Thinking back of what I wrote, do you think worms have minds
or not? They are able to experience pain, at least they behave
just like that. Yet it is conceivable that we might some day
in the future perform a "total synthesis of C. elegans" from
the elements. Would such a worm have a mind?

This is true to some extent. However, I do not think that our brains
work like computers, at all. In fact, there is substantial evidence
(Skarda, 1985; Skarda & Freeman 1987) that brains work more or less
chaotically, generating enough randomness for mental states to evolve.
Our brains work much like genetic algorithm generators, I suppose.

Indeed, this is extremely unlikely, given the vast impact of nurture
on our mind and brain. I suggest, however, that before trying to
understand our consciousness as a collection of algorithms.

Kevin, take a look at the references I mentioned, and think again.
I still think the best experts on the nature of a conscious mind
are neurologists, neuropsychologists and biologists (but do not
flame me for my opinions), since they study beings that are
conscious.

The reason I am repeating my advice is that this discussion cannot
lead to anywhere if our backgrounds are too different.

And please, do not bring QM into this discussion at all - not
all physicists are happy with the claim that our consciousness
plays some special role in physics. I would say it doesn't.

Again, _brains are not computers_. Don't forget this. This does not
mean they need something else to work - they just work differently.
Their primary 'purpose' is perception and guidance of action,
self-awareness and high intelligence are later appearances.

You are still expecting that we could find the idea of 'green' in
our brains somewhere, perhaps in the form of some chemical. This is
not how I see it. The sensation 'green' is a certain time-dependent
pattern in the area V4 of our visual cortex, and it is distributed
with the help of areas V1 and V2 to the rest of the brain.

Indeed, a firing pattern. I have sometimes thought of our consciousness
as a global free induction pattern of these local firing patterns,
but this is just idle speculation.

Scientific American's September 1992 issue was a special issue on
mind and brain. Have you already read it from cover to cover? ;-)
There are two articles on visual perception, so you might be
interested.

But again, please note that subjective experiences cannot be
observed from a third-person perspective. If we see nothing but
neuronal activity, we cannot go on to conclude that this is not the
mind.

Kalat (1988) writes about numerous examples where electric stimulation
of different areas of brain have led to various changes in the
patients' state of mind. For instance, a patient whose septal area
was stimulated (without his knowledge) by remote control during
a psychiatric interview was quickly cured of his depression, and
started discussing a plan to seduce his girlfriend.

Stimulations in the temporal lobe have sometimes led to embarrassing
situations, when the patients have started flirting with the
therapist.

In conclusion, there is evidence that

1) brains are essentially necessary for subjective experiences,
   brain damage is usually equivalent to some sort of mind damage

2) conscious processes involve substantial brain activity in
   various areas of brain - when we think of colours, our
   visual cortex is activated etc.

3) consciousness is an afterthought - we become conscious of our
   actions with a half a second delay, and our brains are ahead
   of our 'conscious will' by at least 350 ms.

Thus, I think it is fruitful to turn the question "Why do 'I' see
colours" around and ask "What is this 'I' that seems to be
observing?", since it seems that our conscious mind is not
the king of our brains.

This depends on what is meant by 'seeing colours'. Does a neural
network that is capable of recognising handwritten numbers from
0 to 9 see the numbers, if it is capable of sorting them?

If you are asking, "why does an animal who is conscious of itself
as an observer have an evolutionary advantage over an animal who
doesn't", I have a good answer - read my previous posting,
where I wrote why a sense of identity helps social animals to swap
roles and act more morally, so that they don't unconsciously
kill each other with newly discovered weapons. (A bit extreme,
but this is the basic idea.)

When early _Homo_ became more and more efficient in using tools,
a sense of identity and the concept of 'self' had to evolve in
line with this development. Indeed, respect for others and
conscious altruistic behaviour might be evolutionary advantages
for social animals, such as early humans.

If minds are required for this, does this mean that until human
minds came to the scene, wavefunctions never collapsed, but remained
in the superpositions for aeons? My, how powerful we are.

This has been discussed before, and I think this topic is irrelevant,
since we do not agree that minds are necessary, and neither do
physicists.

I agree, but not in the sense you apparently mean above - physics
needs sharp minds to solve many real problems. ;-)

It's OK, if you don't forget to take with you the references I
wrote about in my previous posting, plus the following:

Kalat, James W. (1988): Biological Psychology.
3rd ed., Wadsworth Publishing Company, Belmont, CA 1988.

Skarda, C. (1985): Explaining behavior: Bringing the brain back in.
Inquiry 29:187-202.

Skarda, C. & Freeman, W. (1987): How brains make chaos in order to
make sense of the world.
Behavioral and Brain Sciences 10:161-173.

Petri


I think it's because the lead gets coated with lead oxide if the battery is
not being charged or discharged. I remember some advice from an ancient car
manual guide my father had, which was to use car batteries to power a garage
clock or something similar when they're not in a car. This is supposed to
prevent the oxidation but I've no idea if it really works. The concrete floor
connection is a red herring.

This may contribute to discharging but would be reversible.

Well, this is off-topic, but back in the days when I used to drive bangers
I never found WD-40 to do anything that wiping with a dry cloth did'nt do.
I think the effectiveness of WD-40 is a myth invented by the guy who owns
the company.


Recently, I've asked myself a rather interesting question: What RIGHT does
god have on our lives (always assuming there is a god, of course...!) ??

In his infinite wisdom, he made it perfectly clear that if we don't live
according to his rules, we will burn in hell. Well, with what RIGHT can god
make that desicion? Let's say, for the sake of argument, that god creates every
one of us (directly or indirectly, it doesn't matter.). What then happens, is
that he first creates us, and then turns us lose. Well, I didn't ask to be
created.

Let's make an analogue. If a scientist creates a unique living creature (which
has happened, it was even patented...!!!), does he then have the right to
expect it to behave in a certain matter, or die...?

Who is god to impose its rules on us ? Who can tell if god is REALLY so
righteous as god likes us to believe? Are all christians a flock of sheep,
unable to do otherwise that follow the rest?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I just want to point out that this is not sarcasm, I mean it.

		 	How should one deal with a man who is convinced that
		 	he is acting according to God's will, and who there-
     Jokke		fore believes that he is doing you a favour by
		 	stabbing you in the back?


Just saw on CNN that the independent team that examined the Waco fire
and reported that it was started inside by the BDs is now under question.

The attoneys for the BD's are claiming that it's not an impartial team
for the team leader is the wife of one of the BATF agents. HA!

The goverment continues with it's propaganda.

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I am trying to follow the current conflict in former Yugoslavia. One thing
I cannot figure out is where do the Serbs and Croats get their weapons,
etc? Don't they run out of them?


I'm worried by the concern about it though, for a number of reasons
that have nothing to do with Space Advertising (which for a number of
reasons is probably doomed to fail on financial grounds).

(And I've been reading and (and writing) this thread since way
back when it was only on sci.space).

For starters, I don't think the piece of light-pollution apparatus
would be as bright as the full moon. _That_ seems to me to be a bit
of propaganda on the part of opponents, or wishful thinking on the
part of proponents.

Second, this charge of ruining the night sky permanently has been
levelled against other projects, that either 1) don't increace light
pollution significantly, or 2) increace light pollution only over the
target area.

You may or may not recognize #1 as being Solar Power Sattelites.
I think it was Josh Hopkins who actually did the math, showing that
SPS's weren't that bright after all, ending some two months of frenzied
opposition on the part of dark-sky activists and various other types.

#2 is mainly projects like the orbiting mirror the CIS tested
recently.  While slightly more worrisome, I'd like to point out that
any significant scattering of light outside the target area for one of
these mirrors would be wasted as far as the project would be
concerned, and something any project like that would work against
anyway. And given some of the likely targets, I don't think there's
going to be much of an outcry from the inhabitants. There is too much
dark sky in the northern CIS during the winter, and I doubt you'll find
many activists in Murmansk demanding the "natural" sky back. If anything,
he'll probably be inside, stripped buck naked in front of the UV lamp,
making sure he'll get enough vitamin D for the "day."

The mirror experiments aren't something they're doing for crass
advertising. They think that if they can build one, it'll be one of
those things people in the affected areas will think they couldn't
have lived without before. And I doubt anyone's going to really be
able to convince them to stop.


I can vouch for this method in my 1990 SHO.  This is the only sure way of
putting in the reverse without any problem _every_ time.


Yes me, why?


I think you just answered your own question...


A guy who threw 240 innings with about .6 run lower ERA would have saved the
bullpen even more. Say, somebody like Frank Viola (238 innings).

Nice audition tape. Send it to:
   Baseball Tonight
   ATTN: Ray Knight
   ESPN
   Bristol, CT

Have you, by chance, taken a look at the boxscores from last year to
determine the accuracy of your account? I seem to recall Morris getting at
least 3 or 4 wins last year when the Jays came back from behind after they
had decided to pull Morris at the end of an inning.

 Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com


Oakland, California, Sunday, April 25th, 1:05 PM PDT:

Jose Mesa vs. Storm Davis.

You have been warned.


First off, the correct spelling of Nissan's luxury automobile division
is "Infiniti" not "Infinity."  I would also like to clear up the question
of what kind of engines power Lexus and Infiniti automobiles, since a
person had remarked in earlier posts that most Lexus and Infiniti models
had V6 engines, while at the same time saying that several of each
manufacturer used V8 engines.

Lexus:
  LS400- V8
  GS300- V6
  ES300- V6
  SC400- V8
  SC300- V6

Infiniti:
  Q45- V8
  J30- V6
  G20- inline 4 (I must admit that I cannot remeber for sure here)

I hope this helps.


	I have a Gateway 4dx2/66v. Does anyone know if I csn (or can't)
Duse 32 bit access?
D
D


    Well I was watching Hockey Hotline last night and Stan said that the
station (KBL) had been recieving calls all day concerning this subject.
And the verdict was that almost exclusively NOBODY wanted that load
mouth, know it all blow hard, former Bruin whiner, Ulf Hating, scum
sucking, Pr*ck of missery in Pittsburgh on a permanent basis.  That's
not exactly what Stan said;  I did do a bit of interpriting.


Come on, this is sci.space.  An orbital billboard won't
do any permanent damage; in a few years it will reenter
and probably hit Los Angles anyway :-)

The boost to space commerce orbital advertising might
provide might speed the day it is possible for those with a
yen for dark skies to get some really dark skies beyond
the dust producing the zodiacal light.

Now, if they wanted to paint the CocaCola symbol on the
moon in lampblack, that would give me pause.  It would
be very difficult to reverse such a widespread application
of pigments.


Nanao's F-Series (e.g. F550i) and T-Series (e.g. T660i) monitors
are MPR-II compliant.  According to my little pamphlet, the T-Series
monitors are also TCO-compliant, whatever that is.


Mark, this is the most reasonable post that I've seen in Sci. Med. on the
topic of Colonic Flushing.  I'm in a profession that uses manipulation(a
very refined form of massage) to treat various human diseases.  Proving
that manipulation works has been extremely difficult(as the MD's delight in
pointing out).  The Osteopathic Profession seems to be making better
progress than the chiropractors in proving(scientifically) that their
techingues work.  The JAOA recently had a study on the use of manipulation
to relieve mensrual cramps in women with results that were as good or
better than drug treatment(using physiological measurements, and not just
the woman's preception of improvement).  This study was hailed by the JAOA
editors as the turning point in the profession's long struggle to prove
itself to the medical community.

I'm currently trying to get the AOA(American Osteopathic Association) which
has supported most of the Osteopathic research in the U.S. to also support
nutrition education and research.  I've pointed out, in a grant proposal,
that the founder of Osteopathic Medicine(A.T. Still) embraced both diet and
manipulation to set himself apart from the MD's of his time who were pushing
only drugs(Still was himself an MD who got real dissillusioned with drugs
during his service in the Civil War).  He decided that there had to be a
better way to treat human disease since he saw the cure(drugs) as being
worse than the disease.  Through his many years of study of the human body,
he developed his manipulation techniques that he then taught to his
students in the U.S's first Osteopathic Medical school.  We now have 17.
Still used manipulation to treat(and also diagnose) human disease but he
used diet to prevent human disease.  I'm trying to get the Osteopathic
Profession to return to it's roots and beat the MD's to the punch(so to
speak).  Both DO's and MD's in current medical practice have very little
understanding of how diet affects human health.  This has to change.

Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
OSU COllege of Osteopathic Medicine


Anyone who thinks that TIFF is too complex hasn't dealt with
	CGM, ASN.1, CDA, DCA, SGML, or any one of a number of other
	very successful file format.  People seem perfectly capable
	dealing with these others.  Dealing with the format of TIFF
	is frankly less difficult than dealing with the DCT, LZW, and
	FAX encoding of the image data.  The majority of the libraries
	which deal with TIFF are dedicated to these other issues rather
	than with simply decoding the tags and parameters.

	Perhaps people are overwhelmed in comparison with some rather
	simpleminded formats such as GIF, PCX, and BMP, but to suggest
	that TIFF is so complex as to be doomed to failure is ludicrous.

	That doesn't mean that GIF isn't fine, but don't even thing about
	using it in many instances.  GIF is very nice for use in low-end
	photos applications and for screen grabs and such, but it would
	never do for high-volume or high-resolution systems.  FAX is nice,
	but it doesn't do color (and GIF doesn't do B&W all that well).
	JPEG is nice for high-resolution color, but is slow for low-end.

	The advantage TIFF brings to the table is its ability to handle
	all these situations (and then some).  Naturally it's more complex.
	But I'ld rather propose TIFF imaging solutions over imaging
	systems based on having to deal with 3-4 file formats anyday.

	You may find that TIFF is too complicated for your personal tastes
	but please don't wrail against it's complexity.  The complexity
	it contains is required to provide the functionality it does and
	doesn't come close to the complexity found in most commercially
	viable file formats.


There are companies (one in Canada, as I recall) which specialize in
analyzing chips to understand process technology, design rules,
... to understand the probable yield of the assembly line making them,
and therefore the probable current cost and possible future cost curves,
given design shrinks, statistical quality control -> better yields, etc.

Taiwanese, Japanese and especially Korean semiconductor manufacturers
have all (korea continues) reverse-engineered foreign chips and
produced the chip.  Taiwan and Japan have signed intellectual
property treaties, and now at least extract the gate/transitor level
design before laying the chip out again.  The koreans still
use mask-level copying, I believe.  At least, they are under a lot
of pressure to pass laws to meet international intellectual property
standards.

All this despite lots of attempts to hide the designs.  There are lots
of techniques to do so in both hardware and software design.

For a complex chip, there will be real intellectual effort extracting
the gate design from the transistor design, and the algorithm from
the gate design.  But it won't take two smart guys even 6 months, working
40 hour weeks.  Koreans work 60 or more 8)

Lew


With regards to what you wrote, how does one "adjust for room dynamics
and stuff like that"?  I asked a professor that question just
last week and he didn't really know himself.  Since pink noise is believed
to be due to surface states (say, the surface of the Silicon where there's
a lack of a covalent bond) that act as "traps" to nearby elecrons, and since
this happens at low frequencies (because at high frequencies they aren't
able to "trap" electrons), how do you compensate for that?  It seems to me
that you wouldn't be able to compensate for pink noise.  I have seen the
"pink noise" feature, however, on many EQs, and I was wondering
how they are suppose to compensate for noise when pink noise is not due to
"man made noise" like power lines, crosstalks, coupling, etc.  If you have
any information about this, it would be appreciated.  Hope this didn't sound
too drawn out.  Thanx.


I would like to buy a cheap modem for my Mac. Did I mention that I would
prefer it to be cheap?  2400 baud preferred, but when you're looking for
cheap (and I do mean cheap) beggars can't be choosers.  E-mail me.


I think what Bob is describing here is a game which MAD magazine
called 'Basebrawl'.  I have no idea what issue, but it sure did cover
the violence issue.

paul


Most of these are C.S. books.  There are also some Math and Physics
books.  For books marked as "New", the condition is *perfect*.  All
other books are in good condition.

Shipping: Buyer pays $1 per book.

Here is the list:

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Computer Origanisation and          $58.85++    $42
Architecture
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2-nd edition

AI and the Design of Expert         $45.80++    $35
Systems
(Lugar & Stubberfiled)

Artificial Intelligence             $46.25++    $39             New!
(Patrick Henry Winston)
2-nd edition

Operating System Concepts
(Silberschaltz, Peterson, Galvin)    $50++      $39

A Book on C                         $34.25      $20
(Kelley, Pohl)
2-nd edition

Teach Youself C                       ???       $10
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Understanding Hard Disk Management    ???       $10             New!
on the PC
(Jonathan Kamin)

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Discrete Math with Application      $50.95      $40
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Also selling: GRE books..  Both are *brand new*.  (Never used)

ARCO GRE General test.
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ARCO computer Science GRE	$13

Please send email if interested.


Good idea, But why put all the eggs in one basket?

Given that the escrow keys are generated 200 at a time on floppy disks, why
not keep them there rather than creating one huge database that will have to
be guarded better than Fort Knox.

Give each floppy to a different bank for safekeeping. The USA has over 10,000
banks and thrifts - there are not likely to be more than 2,000,000 Clipper
phones sold.


[TC] Do you, as I do, agree that this (sort) of "peace process" is needed?
[TC] What about the particular points mentioned in the article? Is what
[TC] Israel is (supposedly) going to propose "good"? Does it go too far?
[TC] Not far enough?

[TC] If you don't agree that a "peace process" is needed, what is?

I personally think that a peace process is needed, since only through
negotiations will the future generations be able to live in stability.
Unfortunately not all think like this, we have cases like:
	Anas Omran, Hamza Saleh, Jle, Mohammed Reza, Mehmed Abu-Abed,
Anwar Mohammed and others who think that JIHAD is the only solution.

I wish that people (including myself) would have more objective views like Tim,
Basil and Shai for example and put the rhetoric aside and start discussing
"substance".

My view is that Israel has made more gestures towards its Arab foes than the
opposite. What have the Sysrians given to us or proposed? What have the
Palestinians proposed? If the Palestinians would just revoke or rewrite their
charter, or just condemn acts of Palestinian violence that would be a good
start.
The Palestinians have all to gain from these negotiations. Its seems though
that they are not strong enough to make decisions on their own and are
plagued by internal strife, that is why we are not getting anywhere.
Fundamentalism is slowly taking over in the territories, then it will be
too late to discuss issues with the Palestinians since they will only
vow for the destruction of Israel.
Arabs  must take example on Egypt. Egypt came to the bargaining table,
got what it wanted from Israel and there is now peace and cooperation
between the two countries.
The tougher you play ball with Israel the tougher Israel gets.

Tsiel

Tsiel


Be fair.  He did walk 6 batters in 6.1 IP.  He also allowed only three
hits, none for extra bases.  Only one run.  A pretty good outing, all
told.

There is no such thing as a "must win" game this early in the season.
And we can always *hope* that Darwin pitches well!


I'm also interested in info both public domain and commercial graphics library
package to do PC VGA graphics.

I'm currently working on a realtime application running on a PCC with a
non-DOS kernel that needs to do some simple graphics.  I'm not sure if
reentrancy of the graphics library is going to be an issue or not.
I suspect I'll implement the display controller as a server process that
handles graphics requests, queued on a mailbox, one at a time.  If this
provides sufficiently frequent display updates then I believe that I can
restrict all graphics operations to be performed by the server and thus
constrain access to the library to a this single process and avoid the need
for a reentrant graphics library.

Being fairly new to the realtime systems world I may be overlooking something,
what do you think?


Jim and Andy both have it incorrect I believe:

The *facts* are what is there, the processes that exist in the
present or the physical evidence of the processes having occured
in the past. These *facts* exist with or without a theory.

The *theory* tries and explains the *facts* and how they relate
to the rest of the physical universe in a manner that is both
coherent and useful, that it can be used to make predictions.

The *facts* of gravity, evolution, electromagnetic radiation,
relativity, atoms will exist and behave in the way in which they
behave regardless of whether we have a theory to try and explain
how they interact... or even why.

A theory never really becomes a fact... but a theory can predict
the existence of a previously unknown fact, and if we find this
fact as the theory predicted we say the *theory* is *supported*
by the *facts*. A theory is a mental construct, a speculation,
a model.  If it is a good model, it may be useful.

In science a theory is something that is supported by the
evidence, considerable evidence, sometimes *all* of the evidence.
A *hypothesis* is a new fledgling theory because there is not
yet enough evidence to support it.  When a new hypothesis
is proposed to replace an existing theory, it must explain
*all* of the facts that the current theory explains and at least
some of the facts that the current theory could not and/or
predict new facts.

It is so simple.... I'm surprised that this subject gets
beat to death about once a month. A quick glance in a dictionary
would clear up 99% of the confusion and bandwidth in this
newsgroup.  Then we could talk about really important things
like, why do men have nipples?

-David Utidjian-
utidjian@remarque.berkeley.edu


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++++++++++++++++++++++++ CAR AMPLIFIERS FOR SALE +++++++++++++++++++++++++

I have 3 high-end car amplifiers for sale:

(2) Old-Style Rockford Fosgate 150's.  These are great amps, and I've never
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    high end for quite some time (front/rear) and have been very pleased
    with them in that setup, but I've also run them on low end before, and
    they perform quite well in that situation as well.  I'm trying to sell
    them because I'm considering upgrading to a Rockford 650.  I already
    own a Power 300, and I've always liked the way the 650/300 combo worked
    in cars.

    I'm asking $200.00 a piece, and list on them when I bought them was
    $375.00.  If you're interested in both of them, I'd be willing to come
    down on the price a little bit.

(1) Precision Power 2150.  This great utility amplifier is rated at 2x150,
    and looks brand new.  The shroud is unscratched, and it works great.
    This is a great low-end amp because of it's high-power rating into
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                                                      ^^^^^^^^
	Oh my god. My spelling and grammer suck. I guess I need some
sleep. I said righting (instead of writing). What's the chance
of that. Thank god I caught it before everyone started picking
on it. I hope I didn't cause Mr.Jefferson too much shame.


Bill Conner, meet Bill Conner.


No, the sky does not, at this time, belong to anyone.  Ownership is necessary
to the definition because someone has to have the authority to decide if the
action was good or bad.  If neither you or I own a brick wall, then I can't
unilaterally declare that spraypainting my name on it is right, and you don't
have the authority to declare that it is wrong.  The owner may find it artistic
or she may be call the police.

(this applies to the argument on bright satellites more than street lights)

It's vandalism because many people -- power companies -- do maliciously waste light.

"maliciously" implies evil intent.  The lighting companies aren't going out
of their way to spoil the sky.  They just don't care.

It is the responsibility of the customer to choose the most efficient hardware.
If that's what your city will buy, that's what the lighting company will sell.
Write a letter to city hall.

Please note that I'm not defending light pollution.  The orignial focus of
this thread was space based light sources.


That's another sad thing.  I'd expect this sort of shit from the BATF.
But I'm goddamn disappointed in the FBI.  They used to be professionals.
--


     Our white knight for Islam rides in again! Our instant expert
on religion, race and ethnicity is at the door! Stand back all. Let
him through. He's going to single-handedly rescue Islam from all these
dastardly mistakes, misquotes, misconceptions.


Some time ago (about 1 month) there was a bit of discussion
        about a universal VESA driver for > 8bit cards.  It was in
        the file uvesa32.zip.  Well i can't find it, does anyone know
        where it is (gorilla.something.something.au), and what sort
        of cards it works for ?

        Also would it be pushing my luck to ask for someone to post
        it to some appropriate group.


.. actually from Alistair Scott
afs@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au

I have come across a old external hard disk and I can't find
any specs for it anywhere...

It is made by NEC (yes I tried tech support.... no help), and it
has a model number APC-H27C and is labelled "Expansion Hard Disk"

Can anyone help me out with figuring out what this beast is.
The external connector looks like a scsi plug, and the date on the
drive chassis is 1984... os it's pretty old.

I just want to see what it is, before I deep six it or rip it
apart for bits.

thanks


There has been no empirical evidence to support the first statement.  True,
there is a power surge at startup that has the potential to do damage, but
the internal power supply is well-protected. (I've turned my Mac on and off
six or seven times a day for three years without problem).  The monitor is
the same.  To leave it on is to waste a lot of electricity -- twice as much
as a television, possibly more.

Turn it off when you're not using it.  It'll save you money and the world
a few more resources.

-Kelley-
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PEXLIB and PHIGS (as it comes from MIT with PEX and as is explained in the
PHIGS Programming Manual) are just different API's for the PEX protocol,
which is an extension to the X protocol.

So it depends on You, what you go to use.

Advantage of Phigs is the protability to other platforms (IBM GraPhigs,
SunPhigs) and the standardized structuring of the 3D objects.

Advantage of PEXlib is the sometimes faster and easier programming for
immediate mode graphics, because PEX is not an exactly mapping of Phigs
to a Prortocol.

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..
...

It sounds like she has a problem.  She has a problem opening up to her
husband so she is lesbian.  WHAT? In a marrige, a couple is supposed
to open up to each other.  Because she didn't feel comfortable opening
up to her husband she gets a divorce and comes to the conclusion that
she is lesbian.  Before anyone gets maried they should make sure that
they would feel comfortable "open up the deepest part of her soul to
her husband".  "Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole
relationship."  Did she think it was diffrent with a man. That might
be her problem.


For sale, or trade some combination for 286-16 motherboard or 2400 v.42bis

Monochrome monitor, pretty generic, for IBM.

8088 motherboard, 7 Mhz, built in monochrome and color support, built in
serial and parallel ports.  Stick it in a robot, use it to make a cheap
terminal, whatever.

5.25" internal Low density disk drive.

1200 baud external modem, practical peripherals.

Make me an offer.  oR suggest a trade for whatever you have.

Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.


   How fast do the fastest modems go?

V.FAST is targeted for about 28kbps; 14.4kbps is ~$500, and 19.2 may
be here soon too.  (Remember to ignore compression figures which make
your modem go faster on compressible data, because voice gets
compressed better than that, and encryption makes further compression impossible.)

   How far can voice be compressed?

The STU-III phones on the market from AT&T, Motorola, and (I forget who else),
give you a choice of 9600, 4800, and 2400 baud.  The 9600 and 4800 are CELP,
and I think the 2400 is some earlier military vocoder stuff.
9600 is decent, 2400 is pretty artificial, anything less is Speak&Spell.
16000 can produce quite adequate sound.  There's also some 8 kbps CELP around.
DSPs have made it possible to do all this in real time for cheap.

Old-hand government crypto have trouble adjusting to systems faster
than 9600 baud, because if the voice on the other end sounds good,
you assume the crypto hasn't been turned on yet :-)


: worked fine.)  Please note: none of the software or hardware parameters
: were changed, only the phone line itself.  Is my new modem faulty?  What
: can I do?
:
: --
: David Thomas Dudek /  v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet     \     __   _ The Cybard

I'm arguing with the phone company about a similar problem.  We
installed a second phone line in our home (for our kids), and whenever
one of them is on THEIR line, the modem returns "NO DIAL TONE" on its
line.

When we pick up the phone and listen, we can hear my kids' voices
"bleed" through.  Whenever we can hear this, the modem won't dial (even
though the dial tone is loud and clear through the modem speaker).

I think it's the phone company's problem, but they say they can't
(won't?) correct the problem...I'm still working on them. ;-}


Your ignorance is hardly characteristic of most '*ians'. Sarkis Atamian
explains in his book called 'The Armenian Community, New York 1955,
Philosophical Library' that, according to historians, original fatherland
of the Armenians was in Thessaly, Greece. Armenian invaders burned and
sacked the fatherland of Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population
and presented to the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian
civilization. All reliable western historians describe how Armenians
ruthlessly exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly
people of Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of
the Muslim people between 1914-1920. It is unfortunately a truth that
Armenians are known as collaborators of the Nazis during World War II
and that, even today, criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
Triangle preach and instigate racism, hatred, violence and terrorism
among peoples.

Who says 'Arromdians' are no damn good? During World War II Armenians
were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over
the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik,
carried statements as follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews). Members of our family witnessed the
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see
  the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors.
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise
  to grant themselves government if, in return, the Armenians would
  help exterminate Jews. Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists."

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

And stick around...

Serdar Argic


Subject sez it...

Wondering if either team are in town that weekend (5-30/5-31).

I can probably get Phillies tix, as the Vet can hold a bunch (and
I hope they're still in 1st but it's late may, and...).  Camden
Yards is a problem - is there any way of getting in the park w/o an SRO
ticket?  Any advice if there at home?

Joe Leonard
jle@world.std.com


Look be consistent. First you post something that seems to suggest that you see
xv being an 8 bit program as some sort of error.
So I post and asy it is not a bug, it is meant to be like that.
So you post and say it is not a bug, you never said it was, I have misunderstood
etc.
Now you are saying:

If you would make up your mind what you are claiming it would make the
discussion a *lot* easier.

----------------

Eh? Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here. I am aware that English is
not your native language and have tried hard to fathom your meaning, but this
paragraph defeats me.

Yes *as I originally said*, global changes are easily possible.

But this statement contradicts what you said earlier:

---------------

No I don't think so actually.

You were talking about loading a 24 bit image into xv (by quantising),
manipulating the colours in the colour editor, then somewhow applying these
changes to the 24 bit file when you exit xv. Xv lets you edit individual
colours. Where is this sudden jumping off the topic?

Yes I am aware there is no colourmap in a 24 bit file!!

I do not understand what this statement is supposed to mean.

???
What are you saying
???

Ah! now we see thew problem! First you want to extend xv to allow editing of 8
bit previews of 24 bit images. Then I point out problems with this. Now you are
saying there is no problem because you, personally, happen not to use those
parts of the program that cause the problem!!

Not sure what you are saying here. Certainly one can make local changes.

Yes that is one possible approach. I would find a program that took such an
approach clumsy, however.

Well here we agree - you have not thought it through very much. You don't seem
to have a consistent point to make and contradict yourself from one post to the
next. OK, we all have off days - perhaps you should step back and think this one
through.

As I said in the last post, JPEG is a compression algorithm. It is a way of
saving disk space by trading off quality against compression. I fail to see what
the problem is. You have not proposed any workable alternatives.

Speak for yourself. You are the *only* person I have met or spoken to who,
having quantised a 24 bit image down to 8 bits, expects this process to somehow
reverse when the file is saved; keeping all modificvations that heve been made
to the 8 bit image palette.

Perhaps that is why you yused the singular?

Look, next time you import a 24 bit image into xv look carefully at the main
control panel - it tells you how many colours have been allocated to the 8 bit
image. XV makes it abundantly clear that you are not editing the original 24 bit
file. You are the *only* person who claims this is confusing.

Is a design error the same as a bug? ;-)

Read my lips. XV is a program for viewing and modifying 8 bit images. It lets
you import other images. It shows, I would say, a good deal of thought about the
human interface. And everyone else seems to use it happily for the purpose it
was designed for. It makes no false claims.

If you would come up with a solid, logical, well argued and lucid description of
precisely how these proposed extensions would work, feel free to post them. So
far, you have not done so.

Argh!! After all this, a comment like that. `Very easily'. OK, go ahead and code it
if it is so easy.

Or alternatively, look up the terms `import' and 'non-reversible transformation'.

I think this is a bit of an exageration.

What you are actually saying is, you got into a lift (elevator, if you are in
the states ;-) ) and mistakenly pressed the down button to go up. Everyone else
had no problem. Now you are trying to sue the manufacturer...

you bet

Mostly. Leaving aside the language issue however, it betrays some very wooly
thinking (as you yourself admit) which is the same in any language. Go think
some more.

--
Chris Lilley
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Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project
Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road,
Manchester, UK.  M13 9PL                        Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk
Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045  Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc


Nice litle bike.  I loved riding my brother-in-law's.

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----


You would have to use something other than the AT&T black box - in other
words, I don't think public key would work.  The session key would have
to be agreed upon prior to the conversation and distributed to all
sites beforehand.

Or go out and get a STU-III ;-)

--
Doug Bank                       Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com          Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu                   Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu       708-576-8207


Texas Instruments TI-81 calculalor. Excellent scientific calculator.


Dirty Cosar pig has been doing just that for a long, long time.

Source: "Ahmet Cosar said to have been part of 1992 Terror Attack at
MacDonalds in Munich," The Fuckersville Reporter, February 7, 1993, p. 1.

"Le Merde, the influential Anatolia daily, based on unidentified sources,
claimed last week that Ahmet Cosar, the founder and leader of one
faction of the Big Mac Funny Army for the Liberation of Flies from the
Spider Webs (BMFALFSW), was among the Argic led terrorists who staged an
attack on the toilets at MacDonalds fast food restaurant in Munich...

Le Merde added that up to 1992, Cosar operated out of tygra.michigan.com,
but escaped from the country when Bullshit bikers entered the city. It was
about this time that a statement issued by BMFALFSW claimed that Mr. Cosar
was dead of wounds suffered during a mailbombing by bdb@becker.gts.org,
although it is generally believed that the mysterious leader is alive and
well and presently is residing alternately in Fuckersville, Bullshitia, and
Zuma, Stupidia. The paper also noted that the communist government of
Sexual Maniac Hasan B. Mutlu and his F.U.C.K.A.L.L party accepted the
Zumabot's underground leader with "open arms" and still providing him
with assistance in exchange for pornographic material.

Le Merde further adds that BMFALFSW derives only a small portion of its
expenditures from wealthy drug lords who support the cause, with the rest
coming either from other sources or from proceeds of an involvement in
child-porn trafficking."

Serdar Argic


...
I believe that my former employer Hughes Aircraft Company has a working Ion
Propulsion system for satellites.


Hi, Terry. Its me again. I couldn't agree with you more.
I finally received my Datadesk keyboard a month after sendng it to
Datadesk to have it checked.  They didn't tell me over the phone that
you had to wait before pressing the shift key to disable extensions.
Actually, they did, but not until a day before my keyboard
arrived. But a month earlier, they were of no help at all.
I really think they need to put a disclaimer on their keyboard
manual.


I have tested both vehicles (identically
equipped), both for week-long periods.
Curiously (and consider these are test
vehicles), I found the Mercury higher
in build quality than the Nissan.

Either choice is good, but beware that
I did not experience reasonable mileage
with the V6.  Average city driving was
<15mpg, with about 21 avg. on the highway.

Both were optioned to the hilt (the Nissan
had leather!).  The Villager was in the
$24K range and the Nissan was over $26K.


Ensoniq SQ-80 Cross-Wave Synthesizer:
I have an SQ-80 for sale.  The SQ-80 is a powerful performance
oriented synth with a limited on-board sequencer.  I bought it because
it has a very large timbral repertoire;  it seems to do meaty analog
synth sounds as well as sounds that are considerably more "digital".
Below are a list of features extracted from the owner's manual:
  o Eight-voice polyphonic poly-timbral synthesizer, capable of
    playing eight different sounds at once, with dynamic stereo
    panning for each voice
  o Voice section employing Cross-Wave synthesis;  combine different
    attack and sustain wave segments to create complex, dynamic sounds
  o 75 sampled waves (includes a drumset) serve as the sound source
  o Dynamic voice allocation:  each sequencer track/MIDI channel has
    access to all eight voices
  o A full-featured MIDI controller keyboard capable of sending eight
    MIDI program and volume changes at once.  Keyboard is velocity
    sensitive, and transmits/receives velocity and polyphonic aftertouch.
  o Powerful matrix modulation scheme allows a very wide range of
    modulation sources and routings.
  o A 3.5" floppy disk drive which writes/reads ordinary DS/DD disks
    allows fast and reliable storage of up to 600 sequences and up to
    1728 sound patches on a single floppy disk.  Also has a RAM-cart slot
    for patches that is compatible with ESQ-1 RAM-carts.
  o Does sysex dumps to its floppy disk for any sysex capable MIDI device
  o 80 character fluorescent display and user-friendly "page-driven"
    programming scheme provides a fairly humane user interface
  o Stereo line-outs, and stereo headphone jack for private listening
  o Sound programs and sequences are upwardly compatible with the ESQ-1
    so that sounds and sequences created for the ESQ-1 can be played on
    the SQ-80.

This SQ-80 has been the main MIDI controller in my studio for quite a while
now.  It has performed ably in that role, and has also been a heavily
used sound source at the same time.  The SQ-80 seems to have been designed
with this role in mind, and it works very well with my software sequencer
(WinCake) in its multitimbral mode.

short samples (there are 75 of them) as sources, then these waves
are processed with a sophisticated DCF-DCA arrangement.  The SQ-80
is capable of great things because of its 4-pole analog lowpass filter.
Simply put, it makes fabulous analog synth sounds.  But unlike most
good analog synths, it has a very thorough MIDI implementation so that it
works very well with a MIDI sequencer.  What I really like most about this
thing is that it is capable of making a very wide range of sounds.
This SQ-80 is about 5 years old (mfg. date 1/21/88).  It does have
an 8-track sequencer, but like most on-board sequencers, it is a pain
to use so I have avoided it.

REASON FOR SALE:
I am selling my SQ-80 because I recently joined forces with another individual
here in Boston, and we have more keyboards than space to put them.  I
recommend it for someone who is getting started in sequencing and needs a
powerful but economical master keyboard.

PRICING AND TERMS:
I paid $1300.00 for this synth a few years ago.  I am willing to accept
$650.00 (average r.m.m.s asking price is $733.00).  I will include a bunch of
patches on SQ-80 floppy disks for the buyer of this synth, as well as the
original Ensoniq SQ-80 owner's manual.

Price:    Asking $650.00 (everything)
Shipping: split shipping (UPS Surface COD) anywhere in the lower 48 states
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Craig Vanderborgh                                         Verbex Voice Systems
e-mail:  craigv@rad.verbex.com                            119 Russell Street
phone: (508) 486-8886                                     Littleton, MA 01460


I would like to sell my PS/2 Model 50, with its Kingston SX/Now!
33MHz processor, a Cyrix FasMath coprocessor (CPU/FPU LandMark
scores of 46.6MHz/107.8MHz), 8 Meg (9 Meg total) on a AST
Advantage/2 board (0 wait state), original 20 Meg hard drive, and a
very fast Adaptec 1640 SCSI controller card (worth around $300 new)
with software to control any external or internal SCSI device.  I'm
including Dos 6.0 (or 5.0), and keyboard.  The VGA will drive any
multisynching or straight VGA (cheap) monitor.


I just ordered my 4DX2-66V system from Gateway.  Thanks for all the net
discussions which helped me decide among all the vendors and options.

Right now, the 4DX2-66V system includes 16MB of RAM.  The 8MB upgrade
used to cost an additional $340.


NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/20/93.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                  CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS        BEST OF SEVEN
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE

 NJ                  BUF   (leads 2-0)   STL   (leads 1-0)   WIN
 PIT   (leads 2-0)   BOS                 CHI                 VAN   (leads 1-0)

 NYI   (tied  1-1)   MON                 TOR                 LA    (leads 1-0)
 WAS                 QUE   (leads 2-0)   DET   (leads 1-0)   CAL

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New Jersey Devils                         0   0   0   -   0
Pittsburgh Penguins  (leads series 2-0)   2   4   1   -   7

1st period: PIT, McEachern 1 - (Francis, Taglianetti) 15:09
	    PIT, M.Lemieux 3 - (U.Samuelsson, Barrasso) (sh) 17:41

2nd period: PIT, Tocchet 2 - (K.Stevens, U.Samuelsson) 3:48
	    PIT, Jagr 2 - (Francis, Ramsey) 12:39
	    PIT, K.Stevens 1 - (Francis, Murphy) (pp) 15:43
	    PIT, McEachern 2 - (Daniels, Mullen) 16:46

3rd period: PIT, Mullen 1 - (Francis, Barrasso) 17:42

Powerplay Opportunities-Devils   0 of 5
			Penguins 1 of 4

Shots on Goal-	Devils    12  11  13  -  36
		Penguins  13  10   4  -  27

New Jersey Devils--Terreri (0-2) (23 shots - 17 saves)  Billington (0:00 third)
	     	   (4 shots - 3 saves)
Pittsburgh Penguins--Barrasso (2-0) (36 shots - 36 saves)

ATT-16,164

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New York Islanders   (series tied 1-1)   1   1   2   0   1   -   5
Washington Capitals                      0   2   2   0   0   -   4

1st period: NYI, Turgeon 1 - (King, Thomas) 13:14

2nd period: WAS, Hunter 3 - (Johansson, Miller) 6:33
	    NYI, Turgeon 2 - (Thomas, Vaske) 12:36
	    WAS, Hunter 4 - (Johansson, Carpenter) (pp) 16:51

3rd period: NYI, Hogue 1 - 3:31
	    WAS, Khristich 2 - (Cavallini, Bondra) 7:16
	    NYI, Ferraro 2 - (Flatley, Hogue) 14:50
	    WAS, Hunter 5 - (Johansson, Khristich) (pp) 19:57

1 Overtime: NONE

2 Overtime: NYI, Mullen 1 - (Ferraro, Flatley) 14:15

Powerplay Opportunities-Islanders 0 of 5
			Capitals  2 of 5

Shots on Goal-	Islanders  14  17   8  13   9  -  61
		Capitals    6   9  11  14   5  -  45

New York Islanders--Healy (1-1) (45 shots - 41 saves)
Washington Capitals--Tabaracci (1-1) (61 shots - 56 saves)

ATT-15,421

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Montreal Canadiens                       0   0   1   -   1
Quebec Nordiques    (leads series 2-0)   3   0   1   -   4

1st period: QUE, Leschyshyn 1 - (Kamensky, Sakic) (pp) 4:19
	    QUE, Young 2 - (Lapointe) 11:41
	    QUE, Young 3 - (Lapointe, Duchesne) 13:56

2nd period: NONE

3rd period: MON, Bellows 2 - (Odelein) 11:05
	    QUE, Lapointe 1 - (Ricci) (en) 19:23

Powerplay Opportunities-Canadiens 0 of 1
			Nordiques 1 of 2

Shots on Goal-	Canadiens   8  10  15  -  33
		Nordiques  18  14   6  -  38

Montreal Canadiens--Roy (0-2) (37 shots - 34 saves)
Quebec Nordiques--Hextall (2-0) (33 shots - 32 saves)

ATT-15,399

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Buffalo Sabres  (leads series 2-0)   2   1   1   -   4
Boston Bruins                        0   0   0   -   0

1st period: BUF, Presley 1 - (sh) 4:27
	    BUF, Wood 1 - (Houlder, B.Sweeney) (pp) 8:07

2nd period: BUF, Mogilny 3 - (LaFontaine) 5:03

3rd period: BUF, Hawerchuk 1 - (Carney, Smehlik) (pp) 14:48

Powerplay Opportunities-Sabres 2 of 4
			Bruins 0 of 5

Shots on Goal-	Sabres   9   8   8  -  25
		Bruins  14  12   8  -  34

Buffalo Sabres--Fuhr (2-0) (34 shots - 34 saves)
Boston Bruins--Moog (0-2) (10 shots - 7 saves)  Blue (5:03 second) (15 shots -
	       14 saves)

ATT-14,448

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Hi Fellows,

I Still have got bunch of 386DX-25 Intel cpu and 387DX-25 Intel
coprocessors.

                Buy a SET for $79 + $5.00 for shipping.

Individually 80386DX-25 = $42 + $5.00 = $47.00
   and       80387DX-25 = $42 + $5.00 = $47.00

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I found this little gem, I don't know if anyone has any interest/comments...

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Hi everyone,
           I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem.  I know
that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet
hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools,
do you still think that just believing is enough?'

Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves
and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith.
But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to
him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who
knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible.

Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do)
as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James
in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out'

Can anyone help me, this really bothers me.--

in Christ,

Will

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--Adam


We cannot isolate completely, Roger, but we can make a pretty good
estimate. I won't claim to split hairs and say that we can really
measure who was better, Robby Alomar or Carlos Baerga, last year; the
difference is too close to call. But Larkin and Lee? Clemens and
Morris? The differences are too great there.

In your measure of the game, why should a team that has just won it
all ever replace a single player? Since they are now clearly "best",
how can they do better? Yet every team can always find someplace where
they beleive they can improve the team; they can always find a player
a little better than one they already have. (BTW, by my definitions,
the "best" player is the one who does the most things to help his team
win. I will allow that this could vary depending on who else is on the
team, by having aptitudes one team needs more than others.)

Baseball is a team game, but it is made of individual talents. It is
absurd to judge the success or failure of an individual by the success
or failure of his teammates, whom he did not choose (at least in most
cases.) Morris won last year because he played on a team with Joe
Carter, Robby Alomar, Tom Henke, Juan Guzman, John Olerud, et al.
Clemens lost because he was surrounded by such lesser performers as
Herm Winninham, Luis Rivera, and Jeff Reardon. To define the quality
of the team as a sum of its components (as I do, albeit imperfectly)
is a lesser error than defining the quality of an individual as the
mean quality of the team (as my reading of your arguments suggests you
do)


Just saw a new commercial(?) by the NRA. It starts out with a
bunch of politicians talking about how to get rid of crime.
They finally realize that they need to put criminals away
longer but there isn't enough jail space so they decide on another gun
law.( During this whole seen there quoteing various statistics on how
easy criminals get off )
In the next seen the politician is announceing on tv how this gun law
will get rid of crime and there is this grungy looking guy (criminal)
watching him on tv just laughing his ass off.
Classic.


YAHOOOOOOOOO!

The Habs tied this sucker at 2 and the teams now head for Quebec
City to play game 5.  BTW, final score was Habs 3-Nords 2.

The score might be a bit misleading.  The Habs dominated the game
from the 5:00 mark of the first and then on.  The score should have
been 8-2 if it weren't for some miraculous save from a Ron Hextall
(bastard!).  He's the reason the score was as close.  Habs winning
goal was scored by Benoit Brunet at 1:07 of the 3rd.

Roy had an OK game.  He made the first save (one way or another)
and the defense was there to clear any rebounds.

This just in, ESPN radio reports that the Bruins lost 6-5 in OT.
YAHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!  Those suckers got what they deserved.

Life is just great!!!! Now if my finals would go just as well!

Nick (I'll take off my town crier hat now)


My father is a huge Tiger fan, and I am a loyal Blue Jay fan, who endured the collapse of 87, the heartbreak of 85.

I don't have the stat book, so let's throw them out.

First of all, Morris in his heyday (81-88) vs Clemens (86-present).

How many Cy Youngs does Morris have?

How many Cy youngs does Clemens have?

Ballparks and such... Fenway average pitchers park.  Detroit, hugh hitters
paradise.

Morris is a great team pitcher, sort of in the Doug Drabek mold.
If Morris's team needs a well pitched game, as in Minn in 91, Morris
snaps the ball, and throw for Ks.  Otherwise, he just tries to get people out.

As for Clemens, in the Elias Stat Book of 1992, I believe
that Clemens has the best lifetime record for his team, as compared to
when he doesn't pitch.  How bad would the Red sox have been last year
without him?  Can you say 92 Phillies?

I believe Clemens is the better pitcher because of more power, and hsi
great tenacity.  Morris is among the guttiest pitchers I;ve ever seen,
but Clemens is in a class with Seaver, Carlton, etc.


amen.. I too have learned by example, specifically yours. :)

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   While other systems don't respond to user input, dorsai thrives on it.
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We know that sermon.  It is posted roughly every month or so by different
persons, and that doesn't make it any better.

How did you get the idea that skeptics are closed-minded?  Why don't you
consider the possibility that they came to their conclusions by the
proper methods?  Besides, one can come to a conclusion without closing
one's mind to other possibilities.

I you don't agree with a person, please ask him why he thinks like that,
instead of insulting him.  Perhaps he's right.  Follow your own advice,
be open-minded.

If you don't post a bit of evidence for your claims, I'll complain that
it's always those "neither a real believer, nor a disbeliever" types who
narrow-mindedly judge others without knowing their motives.


However valuable, this discussion does NOT belong on comp.org.acm or on
comp.org.ieee.  Please edit your followups to include only the appropriate
newsgroups.


# ## Can someone tell me why when Mr. Cramer spouts on about homosexuals,
# ## he only addresses homosexual men, and never, in any post I've read,
# ## addressed lesbians?
# #
# #I can't really speak for Mr. Cramer here, but I can say that a
# #homosexual [male] is an entirely different animal than a lesbian.
# #There is virtually nothing that is analogous or related between the
# #aberrant behaviors practiced by these two groups of deviants.
#
# So it has nothing to do with your morals, its just that you wouldn't
# have anything to wack off to if you didn't have tapes of Lesbians
# going at it....
#
# I think we are getting closer to the truth now.

No, we are getting at Mr. Foard's sickness.  This may surprise
homosexuals, but lots of people in this country do NOT spend their
time watching pornography and masturbating.  Some of us have
real lives, instead of sexual compulsions.  But I don't expect
a homosexual to understand that.


: I agree, I had a hard feeling not believing my grand-grand mother
: who told me of elves dancing outside barns in the early mornings.
: I preferred not to accept it, even if her statement provided
: the truth itself. Life is hard.

Kent,

Truly a brilliant rebuttal. Apparently you are of the opinion that
ridicule is a suitable substitute for reason; you'll find plenty of
company a.a


No, the Grand canyon is not too far away.  Short side trips to Kolob
(between Cedar City and Hurricane) and Pipe Springs (on the way from
Hurricane to the Grand Canyon) may be interesting--they are right
off the highway.  Pipe Springs (a small fort) gives you real insight
into just how the pioneers lived.  You have missed one major must
see attraction--Cedar Breaks in the mountains above cedar city.
Take lots of film--they have a reason for calling this kodachrome
country.  Natural Bridges in the four corners area is also very
scenic, but may be too far off your route.  Monument valley is
spectacular, but again may be too far away.


It's actually a bug in the Solaris 2.1 kernel. We could add a workaround to
xterm. open should never return EINVAL, but it does :-(

I didn't have time to update the R5.SunOS5 patch lately, but non
of the existing problems seem to warrant a new set of patches.

XDM coulda also keep the XDM environment variable. It should have inherited
it from the environment.


I have the following machine for sale:

 Zenith 386, 20MHz machine
 40 MB Hard disk
 3.5 inch 1.44 MB Floppy drive
 5.25 1.2 MB Floppy drive
 2 MB of RAM
 VGA card
 ZCM 1492 FTM (Flat Tension Mask) VGA Color monitor
        Flat screen , Non-Glare
 101 Key Keyboard, 2 Serial ports, 1 Parallel port

 Original manuals that it came with.

In excellent condition. $1100.00 or best (reasonable) offer.


Yes a flotation tank, combined with floride breathing water(REF: the Abyss
breathing solution I think).. also the right position of the astronaut and
strapping you can probably get much more than 45gs in an accesloration..
More like near 100g (or somewhat less)..

Saw I book called the "Time Master" (I thjink that was the title) that had some
ideas on how fast and all you could go..


You are right, Michael.

In John 3:5, Jesus says, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the
kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit."  That's really what
He said, and He meant it.  That verse is the definition of baptism.  I don't
have the law book in front of me, but there is a canon law that urges
parents to baptize their children within one week of birth for the very
reason that you state.


Hi ! I am trying to develop a utility to view WORD for window file. But to do that I need to know the format of the DOC ( word for window file format ) files.Can anybody  tell me what is the format of DOC file or direct me where can I get it. Or is it proprietory format ?
Your help is greatly appriciated.


Which 486 CPU will give the better performance on math intensive programs, a
486-66 DX2 or a 486-50 DX?

Thanks in advance,


Do you notice that _nobody_ on the team is willing to take charge?
A dominant defenceman would be nice....too bad Schneider got hurt.
He reminds me of Chris Chelios sometimes.  Speaking of Chelios, I
wonder if Serge Savard feels like a moron for making that trade.
I also wish we still had Corson.

Rob Ramage on the ice is less useful than a Gatorade bottle on the
bench.

Vincent Damphousse has decided to take a vacation, apparently.  I have
no idea why Demers is playing Denis Savard on the checking line with
Carbonneau.  Savard is skating well, and is one of the only dangerous
Canadiens in Quebec's zone with the puck.  Too bad nobody is in front
most of the time.

Do you also notice that in the defensive zone, not a single Nordique
gets knocked down?  It's disgusting.  We also have Lebeau (5'10", 172)
getting pasted at centre ice by Wolaninn (6'3", 205) with no reply
from the team, except to yell for a penalty.  Dammit, Denis Savard
threw the best (only?) Montreal hit of the night when he knocked
Sundin off-balance.  When Denis Savard is your team's enforcer, there's
big trouble someplace...

Aside from that second goal, Roy did stand on his head.  The third
period at least provided something to look forward to.  Habs won the
period, IMO, and I guess somebody finally came along to smack them a
couple of times in the second intermission to remind them that a game
had started at 7:30.  Hopefully they play that way at home.  Roy made
the saves (we'll ignore that second goal), so now it's up to the team.

--
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca


My last car had T-Tops (BIG T-Tops).  My current car is a convertible.
IMHO, if you're after that 'convertible feel', T-Tops, open-top,
sunroofs, moonroofs, whatever, just don't cut it.  There's no
substitute for a convertible.  If you're not after that sun beating
down on you, the wind in your hair and teeth, the flopsum and
jetsum getting in the car and the noises associated with the
whooshing of the wind, you're not after that 'convertible feel'.
So go with something with at least a hole above the driver but don't call
it a convertible.

And I do wonder how those targa tops would compare against my roll
bar in a rollover situation.  Of course, I'd rather not test it
in MY car.  I, too, am in my early 40s.

A convertible--accept no substitute.


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