-*----

No.  It follows from the fact that most Christians' choice of
interpretation stems from a mix of beliefs that are influenced by
the secular ethics of their culture and that are not fully
determined by scripture.  Whether or not there is some "right"
interpretation matters not; few Christians claim the ability to
read the mind of their god.  Dave Davis should note that it was
Michael who first stated the importance of secular and cultural
influence in this thread.  I think Michael is right in this, but
regardless, it should be noted that this has *not* been a point
of contention between Michael and myself.

I have argued -- beyond Michael's claims -- that the Christian
scriptures are open to so many interpretations -- including a
wide divergence within the Christian tradition -- that even their
most important themes are vague.  Again, it does not matter that
there is some "right" interpretation *unless* there is a way to
determine what that "right" interpretation is.  It is the lack of
an objective measure, not the presumed lack of an answer, that
puts the force behind the line I argue.

There are enough Christian glasses, varying over a sufficiently
broad range of color, that I can find a few that support my
example.

In my opinion, what makes Michael radical is that he fully
acknowledges that Christian scripture and tradition fail to
determine the doctrines that so many branches within Christianity
hold dear.  He is willing to live and practice his religion
within this indeterminacy, and he is willing to acknowledge that
much of his understanding of things Christian is influenced by
ideas that are not purely Christian.  Those Christians I have
called conservative must also interpret, but they do not
recognize -- or at least, are unwilling to admit -- the extent and
importance of this.

I recognize that Michael is part of the tradition.  But what does
it tell one about a tradition covering Origen, Aquinas, Jerry
Fallwell, and Jesse Jackson that it also includes Michael Siemon?
Not very much!

I think the conclusion does follow.  The purely Christian
principles that Michael has are the ones he shares with others in
the Christian tradition or that can be derived from Christian
scripture.  These, necessarily vague, are not enough to drive his
political stances.  That one should love one's neighbor is a
purely Christian principle.  That this means showing tolerance
for homosexuality is *not*.

As to these political stances, they are often at odds with what
is commonly held in most of current Christendom, and so I
suspect they could be better pressed outside it.  (On the other
hand, I can well understand the counterpoint, that these
political stances become most influential when presented to
those who need them most.)

-*----

Having barely survived the effort to finish in computer science, I
doubt I will attempt a more difficult field any time soon!


I am thinking of going on a motorcycle tour in New Zealand in the
November-January timeframe.

There are a few tour companies doing this, notably Beach Tours.

Can anyone who has done this let me know of their experiences, both good and
bad?
Thanks.


Ron Miller is a space artist with a long and distinguished career.
I've admired both his paintings (remember the USPS Solar System
Exploration Stamps last year?) and his writings on the history of
spaceflight.  For several years he's been working on a *big* project
which is almost ready to hit the streets.  A brochure from his
publisher has landed in my mailbox, and I thought it was cool enough
to type in part of it (it's rather long).  Especially given the Net's
strong interest in vaporware spacecraft...

                 ==================================

                         The Dream Machines:
An Illustrated History of the Spaceship in Art, Science, and Literature

                            By Ron Miller
                  with Foreword by Arthur C. Clarke

Krieger Publishing Company
Melbourne, Florida, USA
Orig. Ed. 1993
Pre-publication $84.50
ISBN 0-89464-039-9

This text is a history of the spaceship as both a cultural and a
technological phenomenon.  The idea of a vehicle for traversing the
space betwen worlds did not spring full-blown into existence in the
tlatter half of theis century.  The need preceded the ability ot make
such a device by several hundred years.  As soon as it was realized
that there were other worlds than this one, human beings wanted to
reach them.

Tracing the history of the many imaginative, and often prescient,
attempts to solve this problem also reflects the history of
technology, science, astronomy, and engineering.  Once space travel
became feasible, there were many more spacecraft concepts developed
than ever got off the drawing board-- or off the ground, for that
matter.  These also are described in theis book, for the same reason
as the pre-space-age and pre-flight ideas are:  they are all accurate
reflections of their particular era's dreams, abilities, and
knowledge.  Virtually every spaceship concept invented since 1500, as
well as selected events important in developing the idea of
extraterrestrial travel, is listed chronologically.  The chronological
entries allow comparisons between actual astronautical events and
speculative ventures.  They also allow comparisons between
simultaneous events taking place in different countries.  They reveal
connections, influences, and evolutions hitherto unsuspected.  Every
entry is accompanied by at least one illustration.  Nearly every
spacecraft concept is illustrated with a schematic drawing.  This
allows accurate comparisons to be made between designss, to visualize
differences, similarities, and influences.

This text will be of interest to students of astronautical history,
and also to model builders who would be interested in the schematic
diagrams.   Science fiction fans as well as aviation history buffs and
historians of science will also find this book to be fascinating.  The
unique collection of illustrations makes it a visually attractive and
very interesting history of the spaceship.

SPECIAL FEATURES

Includes scale drawings of several hundred spacecraft, both real and
fictional

Contains scores of illustrations: artwork, drawings, and photos
contemporary with the subject.  This includes extremely rare
illustrations from scarce books and novels, exclusive photos and
drawings fromSoviet spacecraft; rare stills from both famous and
obscure science fiction films, and unpublished photographs from NASA
archives

An index, bibliography, and appendices are included.

CONTENTS

Part I  The Archaeology of the Spaceship (360 B.C. to 1783 A.D.)
Part II The invention of the Spaceship (1784-1899)
Part III The Experimenters (1900-1938)
Part IV The World War (1939-1945)
Part V  The Golden Age of the Spaceship (1946-1960)
Part VI The Dawn of the Space Age (1961 to the present)

ABOUT RON MILLER

[The brochure has a page of stuff here; I'll try to hit the high
spots.]

Former art director for Albert Einstein Planetarium  at Smithsonian's
National Air and Space Museum

Member of International Association for Astronomical Arts, member of
International Astronautical Association, Fellow of the British
Interplanetary Society,  consulting editor for *Air & Space
Smithsonian* magazine

Author, co-author, editor, or sole illustrator on many books since
1979, including *Space Art*, *Cycles of Fire*, *The Grand Tour*, and
many others, as well as many articles and papers

Book jackets and interior art for over a dozen publishers

Contributor to IBM traveling exhibition and book *Blueprint for Space*

Production illustrator for movies *Dune* and *Total Recall*

Designer of ten-stamp set of commemorative space postage stamps for
U.S. Postal Service in 1991 (Solar System Exploration)

ORDERING INFORMATION

Pre-publication price $84.50 before 1 May 1993
Afterwards, price will be $112.50

Krieger Publishing Company
PO Box 9542
Melbourne, FL 32902-9542
USA
Direct order line (407)727-7270
Fax (407)951-3671

Add $5.00 for shipping by UPS within USA for first book, $1.50 for each
additional book.

For foreign orders, add $6.00 for first book, $2.00 for each
additional.  Additional charges for airmail shipments.


It isn't. And I wasn't aware that this O'Hair chick was a reader of
a.a., so that doesn't support your assertion that the argument is
"the whole basis of a great many HERE rejecting...".


How about Matt Nokes 2 run single against Ron Darling.  Was that a hit or what?
While watching the game yesterday they flashed up something regarding The
Boss' talking about Mark Connor as bullpen coach.  He said something like it's
Mark Connor's fault that the bullpen is so horrible!!  Here we go again!!
George sticking his non-baseball nose in the baseball business.  Shut up
George, just spend the money, get the players and leave Buck and the coaches
and players alone.


	Heheheheh.. Sorry, Roger, I wronged you.. You're not boring ALL
the time..  This one is a classic. 'cordially, as always' HEHEHEHEHHE!

	Are you a jerk?

		Do people hate you?

			Are you no fun at parties?

	Well! Come to the ROGER MAYNARD SCHOOL OF CORDIALITY!

	We can teach you to be 'cordial' with the best of them! Use
such time honored 'cordiality' techniques as:

	1) Calling people assholes!
	2) Comparing them to viruses!

	For advanced students:

	3) Comparing them to DIRTY viruses. What is a DIRTY virus,
		and how can you tell it from a clean one? We know,
		and here at the ROGER MAYNARD SCHOOL OF CORDIALITY,
		we can teach you to know, too!

	HEHEHEH.. Thanks, Roger.. This made my evening :-)


(Deletion)

Well, that is certainly different, but it looks as if there is a translation
found for everything. By the way, I am most surprised to hear that night and
day move in an orbit.


Okay, here is the result of my efforts.  I'm just getting started with this
type of activity, so please set your flame-thowers on low.

Comments, corrections, suggestions, welcomed.

****************************************************************************

Editor,

I would like to ask you and your readers a few questions that are related to
the "right to keep and bear arms", and to a greater degree, the many other
"rights" that we take for granted on a daily basis.

1.	You're sleeping at night, when you hear someone in your house.  You
call the police.  How will you defend yourself, should the need arise, while
you are waiting for the police to arive?

2.	You are driving your family home when your car breaks down.  A "good
samaritan" stops to "help", when you find you and your family at gun-point or
knife-point.  How will you defend yourself?  And your Family?

3.	You are a woman walking alone to your car or home.  A man appears
suddenly with the intent to rape you.  How will you defend yourself?  Are you
strong enough to fight off your attacker?  Are you willing to let this man rape
you in order to survive the attack?

If the House and Senate have their way, we will soon not have the right to keep
and bear arms, as provided by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. A gun
may not be the answer to each and every dangerous situation, but are you going
to let the politicians decide what sort of force or weapon you may use to
defend yourself and your family?

Many times a situation may be diffused by just brandishing your handgun.  If
certain members of the House and Senate have their way, .25, .32, and 9mm
ammunition will be banned for sale to anyone other than the military and law
enforcement departments.  Very soon, you may not be able to purchase ammunition
for use in your handgun.

There is already a 15 day waiting period in California.  Do you really feel
that any law abiding citizen should be required to wait this amount of time for
the purchase of a handgun when his life or family members have been threatened?

Our local police do an excellent job, but they can not be there all the time,
or in a moments notice.  You should have the right to protect yourself   while
waiting for help to arrive.

There is currently legislation circulating in Washington that would prohibit
the sale of certain types of ammuntion, handguns, rifles, and shot-guns.  One
elected official even wants to repeal the Second Amendment!

I want to ask the readers of this paper what they would do if their elected
officials decided that they should only belong to a "certain church", or go to
church on a "partiular day"?  What if you were told that you could only read
certain books?  Write about certain subjects?  What if you no longer had the
right to a jury of your peers?  How about the right to assemble in a peaceful
manner?


I have some Desert Storm cards for sale.  I have divided them up into two lots.  I will take the highest bid before 4/30/93.  Just drop me a line with your bid.

Lot #1 Desert Storm (Coalition for Peace, Topps)

 cards# 38,3,16,28(S),8(S),71,30,34*2,69,48,2,79,15,16(S),66,69,17,21,26
        85,25,17(S),18,6,86,23,49

 2nd series(Topps) cards# 118,111,92,104,115,160,95,162,31(S),136,110,123
                          147,107,164,108,170

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lot #2 Desert Storm (Pro Set)

 cards# 44,87,120,196,229,19,74,121,153,208,47,100,150,187,13,58,178,217
        22,94,142,197,227,4,108,174,228,6,89,137,190,205,23,82,128,199,211

(S) - Sticker card


Well, I got  WINZIP from cica (don't know which version, but I think
it's the latest, as this is not long ago), and I was initially imressed.
But here's the low-down:

WINZIP is a *great* progra, *as long as you only unzip*.  It lets you
vew files, unzip only selected files, and even puts the files in a
/checkout directory, and creates a "checkout" .grp and group if you want
to check the program out.  It even prompts for deletion of these on
exit, if you didn;t like the program.

*HOWEVER* (big however over here).  I have problems zipping.  I don't
konw specifics on this, or ammount of consistency, but sometimes when I
"zip" a few files, or add a file to a .zip, dos will violate something
or other, and I'll be asked (in a kind, micro$oft kind of way) to quit
all applications, quit windows, and restart my computer.  I don't know
(as I said) how consistent this is, as I jdont' zip much (and when I do,
now I just go to dos and use it from there, or just use the "run" cmd)
but I *do* know it's happened when I added files to an existing .zip
file, *and* when I created a new .zip file, using selected files only.
I don't know if it's happened when I zip an entire dir.

Still, it has a rather nice interface, and quite useful "unzip"ing
functions.  If the above is fixed, I'll be the first to register the new
ver.  (as for now, a good old, "run-->unzip *.zip" will work.

(PS> if a new ver *is* out that fixes these, please let me know).

peace,
Mickey


  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???

  And granted, shaft has a lot less maintenance, which is fine, if you don't
mind less performance... :-) :-)

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013


Much deleted about assembly in USA vs. other,
I wish to focus on the subject of warm-running amplifiers:

There is a correclation between warm-running amps and good sound,
or in your words, "it DOES have a bearing on....".

Now, I don't suggest that everyone run out and create combination
stove/amplifiers that will degrade lifespan,
but a cold-running circuit is much more suceptible to temperature
variation with varrying current than is a warm-running one.  And since
junction resistance is a function of temperature, this has a detrimental
effect on linearity.

a few facts:
-bias points vary with temperature
-junction resist varrie with temp
-Adcom products do NOT run class-A

If you still don't beleive this assertion, consider the warm-up requirements
for most good test equipment, or better yet, just listen to an amplifier
warm-up.  On many designs its quite audible, on mine, about 20 minutes for
the output stage, many hours for the drivers.  Fortunately the drivers
are not switched.

In any experiment, or when drawing conclusions from listening,
betcareful to seperate the effect of device temperature from bias
(idle current) level.  Both have a positive correlation with low
distortion and "good" sound quality, and high bias results in
warmer operation, all other factors being equal.


If I remember correctly Prometheus books have this one in stock,
so just call them and ask for the book.

Cheers,
Kent


Steve>   Hmmm... given the error corrections in modern audio CDs, is
Steve> it sufficient to simply instruct your agent to decrypt using
Steve> the bit stream from the second cut of the latest Garth Brooks
Steve> CD, or are the usual number of bit errors found acceptable in
Steve> commercial CDs because of that error correction enough to
Steve> garble the message if such a method is used?

One unreliable data point: while looking over the shoulder of a
recording engineer, I decided that he was seeing a raw error rate of
about 1 in 1e6 on a CD ``master.''  Both the extrapolation to
mass-market CDs and my state of mind while doing the arithmetic (I was
waiting for him to finish so we could go get something to eat) are
questionable.


Hello, All!

  I apologize, I haven't published my astro FTP list since March.
  Now I haven't tested all the sites included into the list.  I
  would notified all the people, you have stored some older issues
  of my, there are now lots of changes.  Many sites have gone away:
  They either do not exist any more or all the astro stuff have
  removed.

  The job keep this list is very hard, so all the notes and informat-
  ion of changes, new sites, new contents etc. is welcome.

  I would thank all the net people who give me information for the
  newest version.

  					regards,

					Veikko Makela


  The points raised about checking what is actually -in- the chip, as
opposed to what is allegedly programmed therein, raise yet another trust
issue.  Even if we assume that these "trusted agents" are really entering
a wide range of S1 and S2 seeds (rather than using the same one all the
time to reduce the key search space to 30 bits), I assume they are not
doing so by picking up an iron filing and poking it into the circuitry
at carefully selected points to encode data.  They would presumably be
punching numbers into a computer, which for all they know could program
the chips in a manner completely independent of the S1 and S2 values they
are feeding into the system.


Hello, if you have any experience/knowledge/comments/advice/etc about
Compaq's EISA Deskpro machines, please reply. (preferably via email)

I'm thinking of getting one and am looking for any & all user comments.

Thanks.


David,

   Neither (1) or (2) apply with the government, though. The feds, unlike
Apple, have repeatedly demonstrated that trust is an unsafe thread on which
to hang your freedom. Why?  Because unlike Apple in (2), the govt has no
credibility to lose. I'm serious about this. One can name just about any
agency -- the IRS, RTC, FCC, FAA, FBI, NSA, CIA -- and find numerous examples
of the public trust run roughshod over. Worse, one can rarely find in such
examples any serious consequences to the offending agency. Even supposing
we could get a reign on trust somehow, there's always the matter of competence
in govt agencies. Can they even trust themselves?

  -mel

  P.S. I was amused when you mentioned the USDA as an example of an agency
capable of managing the an escrow. I'm a consultant to the USDA, and while those
*I* work with are wonderful <grin>, the agency itself is ranked in industry
publications such as Govt Computer News as one of the worst caretakers of
its computer resources. Recently, Prime Time Live did a long segment on
the USDA's computer troubles. They are making a concerted effort to change,
but intentions don't make a track record.


1. Withdraw
2. leave the people in the compund to lead their lives as they choose.
3. prosecute the BAFT agents for murder

--


The Branch Davidians were not violent and were not planning to start
violence.

When the BD compound was assaulted by the ATF the BD did fire back.
But they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the ATF to care for
their wounded.  The BD even released the ATF agents they captured.  It
is clear from the release of the agents and allowing the ATF medical
attention that the BD were not looking for trouble.

If the BD were violent they would have held the ATF agents as
hostages.  They would not have released them like they did.  If they
had kept the agents hostage they could have used them as bargening
chips for medical attention etc.

A big thing is being made of the BD collection of weapons but no one
has shown that they had any plans to use them.  It is also apparent
that the BD did not have any military training.  If they had, they
could have dug bunkers and trenches and increased their
fortifications.  They could have shot out the lights and speakers.  It
appears that the BD were not violent, they shot back at the attacking
ATF agents out of panic.  There were shots fired on the last day but
they were in response to the FBI attack on the compound with armor.

All the violence in Waco was initiated by the federal agents, not the
BD.


E G L I N     A F B

From:  DENNIS L. HART                       Date:     14-May-1993 02:41pm CST
       HART                                 Tel No:   904 882 3154
Dept:  646CCSG/SCWA*SAS

TO:    Internet Addressee                   ( _SMTP[xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu] )

Subject: VXT2000 Windowing Terminal Help

Greetings!

We have several VXT 2000 Windowing terminals and associated software on our
network.  We are able to open a LAT terminal window to any of our workstation
nodes but we are unable to get a LAT X session to work.

We have customized the terminal security to allow all LAT connections.

Trying to invoke a LAT X session from the VXT 2000 results in the following
message being displayed in the terminal manager window message area:

Host Does Not Support X Sessions

(The host is a VAX4000 Model 60 and does support X sessions)

Opening a LAT terminal window and logging into the server node, setting the
display variable as follows:

$ set display/create/node=LAT_###########/transport=lat

and then trying to create a decterm on the VXT as follows:

$ create/term=decterm/detach

Fails and gives the following error message:

dectermport failed to find language, XOpenDisplay("")  returned NULL
%DECW-F-CANT-OPEN-DISPL Can't open display

The VXT 2000 is using its system defaults (ie. default font(s), language, ...)
except for the security options to allow all connections and options enabling
LAT protocol.

we have VT1200 windowing terminals and the above things were enough to allow
LAT X sessions.

VMS Version is 5.5-1
Running DECwindows/Motif of VAX4000 Model 60s

Please help.


I have the following problem on a Dell 450SE with the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro
EISA:

When I start Windows, the first 5 times I try to run an application, it does
not start. Windows will show the following error message:

   Error Executing application. There is not enough memory to run the
   application.

After the first 5 tries, the application I want to run will start, and
afterwards there are no more problems. When I change the Video driver from
Mach 32 to 8514/a, this problem does not occur, so I suspect the ATI
drivers (I tried both the build 55 and build 59 driver).

Does anyone have a clue?


How do you know they can be shortened by half-an-hour?  Has anybody done a
study to determine how much time is actually "wasted" -- say, in these A's
games?


I am looking at the honda shadow 11000 and the intruder 800 or 1400? what have you heard about these bikes?


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Netters!

I have seen some postings on PC/IP from MIT. This package out of 1986(?)
should be a full TCP/IP fro the DOS-machines. Is there anyone out there
that's using it?

I want to connect a DOS-machine to my OS/2 machine... Tell me what the
DOS-machine should run (sample CONFIG and AUTOEXEC would be great) and
where I can find a nfs client. I understand that a telnet and a ftp
client are part of the package.

I've got the Crynwr package drivers, but that's it! Please point me to
a good source of information if you cannot help me yourself...


Hopefully, he doesnt take it personal...


Here in Iowa it is/has been OWI (operating under the influence) and OMVI
(operating motor vehicle under the influence).  They (gov't) changed it to
OMVI so that people in motor boats could also be charged with drunk driving.


I'm selling an assortment of goods!!
They're all in excellent shape (the amp and detector were
rarely used).

Thule rack with locks for VW GTI or Jetta (2yrs)........ $75
Silca floor bike pump (pink) ...........................  20
Uniden Radar Detector (X and K bands, orig $134) .......  75
Blaupunkt 60W car amp (orig $150) ......................  75

Shipping included in all prices.  Interested?
Please respond by email (whsld login or sldenton@cbnewsj.cb.att.com)
or phone (201) 386-2949 office.


Tim Belcher pitched a dandy three-hit shut-out tonight as Cincinnati won
their second straight 5-0.  Pittsburgh Lefty Randy Tomlin was hit early and
often by the heavily right-unbalanced Reds line-up, which managed some
recently rare power with their bats.

Belcher (1-1) was solid throughout and in fact seemed to get stronger as the
game progressed.  Early on he had several three-ball counts, but even those
were few and far between later on as he allowed only one base-on-balls while
striking out nine.  In a post game interview he said his change-up was working
for him--I should say so:  all nine of his strikeouts were apparently on
breaking balls.

Tomlin (0-1), on the other hand was in trouble early, giving up a second-pitch
double to lead-off batter Bip Roberts.  Bobby Kelly followed with a single and
Barry Larkin scored Roberts with a sharp single to right.  The big guys
(Mitchell, Sabo, Milligan) were unable to get anything after that--in fact
they all struck out--but Kelly managed a score anyway due to a double-steal
and a Tomlin wild pitch.

In fact, it appeared that Tomlin was going to recover nicely from his shaky
start-- he retired 9 of the next 11 batters to get to the fourth behind only
2-0.  Randy Milligan, though, had different ideas as his line-shot was
poorly played by Orlando Merced and turned into a triple.  Milligan would
later score on Reggie Sanders' sacrifice fly, giving Cinci the 3-0 lead
after 4.

The fifth inning spelled loss for Tomlin when Roberts led off with his second
double of the game, and one batter later Larkin smacked a double down the
left field line, chasing Tomlin.  Barry later would score the final run on
Tom Prince's two-base passed ball.

The Pirates managed their only threat of the day in the bottom half of the
fifth when Merced and Kevin Young hit back-to-back singles (the second
being of the "bunt" variety), but Carlos Garcia struck out, Prince fit a
foul fly, and pinch-hitter Lonnie Smith "K'd" to end any Pittsburgh hope.

Pittsburgh pitchers backed Tomlin up well, though:  relievers Blas Minor,
Moeller (sp?), and Nagel gave up only two hits in their four-plus innings
work.

Barry Larkin left the game in the seventh when the grounder he (mis)played
bruised his right thumb.  He was taken to the hospital for "precautionary
X-rays".  Let's hope he's OK.

Cincinnati is now 4-9, still the worst record in the majors, but with the
two wins they may be looking at  moving out of the cellar!
Pittsburgh is now 7-6.

*********REDS FANS***************************
If you would like to receive this report on a
semi-daily basis (as often as I write it),
send me your e-mail address and I'll put you
on the list.  If someone has a Reds mailing
list, please forward it to me and I'll put
everyone on the list!!
*********************************************

CINCINNATI REDS
			AB	R	H		K	BB	LO
-----------------------------------------------|---------------------------
Roberts 2b		4	2	2		1	0	1
Kelly cf		4	1	1		0	0	0
Larkin ss		3	1	3		0	0	0
  Branson ss		0	0	0  		0	0	0
Mitchell lf		4	0	1		1	0	0
  Hernandez lf		0	0	0		0	0	0
Sabo 3b			4	0	0		1	0	1
Milligan 1b		4	1	1		2	0	1
Sanders rf		3	0	0		2	0	0
Oliver c		4	0	2		2	0	0
Belcher p		4	0	0		2	0	1
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Totals			34	5	10		11	0	4

3b Milligan (off Tomlin, leading off fourth, scored)
2b Roberts (off Tomlin, leading off first, scored)
   Roberts (off Tomlin, leading off fifth, scored)
   Larkin  (off Tomlin, in fifth, one out, runner on second, RBI, scored)
SF Sanders
RBI Larkin 2, Sanders
SB Kelly, Larkin
GDP Sabo

PITTSBURGH PIRATES
			AB	R	H		K	BB	LO
-----------------------------------------------|---------------------------
Martin lf		4	0	0		0	0	1
Bell ss 		4	0	0		1	0	0
Van Slyke cf		4	0	0		0	0	0
King 3b			3	0	0		2	1	0
Merced rf		3	0	1		1	0	0
Young 1b		2	0	1		1	0	0
Garcia 2b		3	0	0		2	0	1
Prince c		3	0	1		0	0	0
Tomlin p		1	0	0		0	0	0
  Minor p		0	0	0		0	0	0
  Smith ph 		1	0	0		1	0	2
  Moeller p		0	0	0 		0	0	0
  Waynor ph		1	0	0		1	0	0
  Nagel p		0	0	0		0	0	0
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
			29	0	3		9	1	4

GDP Merced

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cincinnati	2  0  0    1  2  0    0  0  0   -----  5  11  1
Pittsburgh	0  0  0    0  0  0    0  0  0   -----  0  3   0

Pitching

			IP	R	ER	H	K	BB
Cincinnati

Belcher (W 1-1)		9	0	0	3	9	1

CG (1), SO (1)

$$$LINE OF THE DAY!!!$$$

E- Larkin

Pittsburgh

Tomlin (L 0-1)		4 1/3	5	5	9	6	0
Minor			2/3	0	0	1	0	0
Moeller			2	0	0	0	3	0
Nagel 			1	0	0	1	2	0

WP- Tomlin
PB- Prince

Umps Rippley/Hallion/Quick/Crawford

Att-9,077
T-2:14

Coming up:
The Reds play two more in Pitts, then go to Chicago for a weekend series.
The weather doesn't look good, though-- don't be surprised if one or more
games get rained out.

Tomorrow, 7:35, Jose Rijo vs. Steve Cook, then Smiley vs. Wakefield on Thursday.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: probulf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Probul)
Subject: Re: A/ROSE with Centris and Quadra models
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 14:33:26 GMT

A/ROSE = Apple Real Time Operating System Environment

This is a system extension for these NuBUS cards using the
MCP (= Macintosh Coprocessor Platform). The MCP-cards are NuBUS cards with a
Motorola 68000-Processor and 512 KB RAM (expandable to 1 Meg).
MCP is a development platform for hardware-designers so they can use a card
with an own processor and thus the main processor isn't needed for these cards.
Currently the only cards I know are

- the Apple TokenRing-Card
- the new Apple Ethernet-Card
- the Apple NuBUS serial card

Perhaps there are some third-party-cards, but I don't know.

---------------------------------------------
Frank Probul
Emanuelstr. 17, D-8000 Munich 40, Germany

AppleLink: Probul.F@AppleLink.Apple.COM
internet:  probulf@informatik.tu-muenchen.de

Munich University of Technology
Department of Computer Science
Germany


There is a file at the simtel archives called adda10.zip I think that
is for DSP.


[...]

Mr. Kuo: I don't recall seeing your byline around much before (at least
on t.p.m). Let me clue you in on this newsgroup. t.p.m is populated
largely by people whose hatred for the U.S. government, especially
the government of Mr. Clinton, is literally boundless. To these
people, the suggestion that agents of the U.S. government would carry
out a spectacular massacre of its own citizens, in full view of TV
cameras, is not an 'extraordinary claim'. It's just another day in
the life of these United States.

They don't have to suggest any reason why the FBI would want to
publicly massacre citizens. Have you seen 'The Crying Game'?

	"It's in their nature".

Don Pajerek


And won't they have to change their name to the "Steelers" or something.
The only significant deposits of oil around Hamilton are those caused by
the tire fire a  few years back.


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Just a quick, simple question really...

	How many wheels are affected by the emergency brake on an '86 Nissan
Maxima. I've heard that all four are affected, but this would seem unusual
to me. I thought the emergency brake on most cars only affected the rear
wheels. Also, how powerful is the emergency brake usually? Enough to lock
wheels at 30mph? Hmmmm... I just have to wonder about some of the things I
hear...


Another alternative is to cover the adhesive with another piece of
duct tape then remove the tape.

If it still doesn't work, try WD-40.
BQN


	That is not an "atheism mythology" in any sense of the word.
"Religious paradoy" would be significantly more appropriate.

	The 2nd part is rendered null and void by the simple fact that I
do know several "strong" atheists. I am sure that others do. I myself am
"strong" in the sense that I find the standard concept of God without any
meaning. Any attempt to bring meaning either results in the destruction of
the viability of language, or in internal self contradiction.

	The concept of strong atheism is not just a whimsical fantasy. They,
and I, exist.

	Your strawman is pointless and weak.

---

Private note to Jennifer Fakult.

        "This post may contain one or more of the following:
         sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware
         of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be
         confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume
         all of the above.


Has anyone publically considered the possibility that the fires were set
for defence instead of suicide and the destruction and confusion caused
by the tanks and gas caused things to get out of the BDs control?

--
"Spending programs are now 'investments,' taxes are 'contributions,' and
these are the same people who say _I_ need a dictionary?"  - Dan Quayle 2/19/93


: >Showing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of
: >game that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock?


  That's _Five Weeks In A Balloon_.  And if anyone can tell me where to
get it, I sure would like a reply!  I've been looking for that book for
TEN YEAR+, and never found it.  (Note that I am _not_ looking for a $200
collector's item; I'm hoping that *someone* has published it in modern
times, either in paperback or hardcover.  I'm willing to spend $50 or
so to get a copy.


Does anyone know where I could get some source code for a GIF viewer on a PC.
It doesn't have to be fancy, it would be best if it were written in C to
display gif pictures on a VGA screen.  I was hoping to get it for free
from an FTP site, but I haven't been able to find it yet.


How about Brooks Robinson's last homerun ever?  #268 came on 4-19-77 at
Memorial Stadium with one out and two on in the bottom of the 10th inning.
Larry Harlow was due up, but Brooks pinch-hit a 3-2 pitch from Dave LaRoche
into the left field bleachers for a 6-5 win.


Tuesday April 27, 1993 UPDATE

This is my latest updated list of strange/bizzare/odd/independent comics
that I have for sale.  As always, most are cover price, but some I will
actually look up in the guide to see "how much it is worth."

This week's special:
	Youngspud (spoof comics)
	Oldblood/Bragade (spoof comics)

	Spoofs of your favorite Image comics.  Both of these comics for
	$5.00 which includes shipping.

A1 6 (featuring Tank-Girl) 10
Adventurers (Aricel and Adventure series)
The Adventures of Luther Arkwright 2, 7
After Apocalypse 1
Alias Blastpoint
Alien Nation 2
Angryman 2
Animal Man 35-38, 41-48, Trade Paperback (issues 1-9)
Anything but Monday 1
Apache Dick 1-3
Ape Nation 1
Arion The Immortal 1
Atlantis Chronicles 1
Avengers 263, 272, 300, 306, 324, 329, Annual 15, 18, 19
Avengers West Coast 67
Back to the Future (cartoon adaption)
Badaxe 1
Bade Biker Orson 4
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (in polybag)
Batman vs Predator 1
Batman: Year One
Bats, Cats & Cadillacs 1
Beer Nutz 2
Bizarre 3-D Zone 1
Blackhawk Book 1-3
Black Scorpion 1
Blackthorne Publishing Flip-Book 1
Blood Sword Dynasty 28
Bob's Favorite Comics 1
Boof (caliber) 1
Boris the Bear 1
Boris the Bear 1 (Slaughters the Teenage Radioactive Black Belt...)
Big Numbers 1
Blackhawk 1, 2, 3
Breathtaker 1
Butt Biscuit 1
Cadillacs & Dinosaurs 1
Cage 1
Cap'n Quick & a Foozle 1
Cosmic Odyssey
Crossroads 1,5
Cyberpunk 1
Dark Horse Presents 1, 5, 25, 37, 40, 43
Desert Storm: Send Hussein to Hell! 1
Dragon Chiang
Dungeoneers 3
Elflord Vol 2 No 4
Elftrek 1
Enchanter (eclipse) 3
Eye of Mogambo
Felix The Cat 1
Fire Team 3
Fish Police 3-8, 22
Flash Gordon 1-4
Fly 1
French Ice 10, 13
Full Throttle 1
Gajit Gang 1
Gambit 1
Gatekeeper 1
Get Lost 1
Ghost Rider & Captain America: Fear
Give me Liberty 4
Godzilla 2
The Greatest Flash Stories Ever Told
Green Arrow 1-9, 12, 47-51, Ann 1, 4
Greenhaven 1
Green Hornet 5, 13, 14
Green Lantern 1
Grey 1
GrimJack 26, 71, 80
Grimjack Casefiles 5
Guardians of the Galaxy 25
Hammer of God 1
Hamster Vice 1
Harley Rider 1
Haunt of Fear 1
Hercules Unbound 1
Hollywood Superstars 5
I Saw It
I am Legend
Icarus 1-6
Icon 1
Idol 1
Illuminatus 1
In-Country Nam 2
Interface (epic) 1-3
Intruder (TSR comics module) 3
Invaders from Home 1
Invaders from Mars (eternity) 2
Jademan Kung-Fu Special 1
Jaguar 1
Jason Monarch 1
Jeremiah: Birds of Prey 1, 2
John Byrne's Next Men 1, 3, 4
Judge Dredd 41
Justice Machine 6, 29
Justy 1, 2, 7, 8
Kicker's Inc
Kid Cannibal (eternity) 2
Kobra 1
Labor Force (blackthorne) 4
Last American (epic) 1, 3, 4
Last Generation 1, 3, 4
Last of the Viking Heroes 2
Legend of the Shield 1
Legend Killer 1
Legend of Kamui 1, 4, 6, 13, 14, 19
Lensman 7
Lethargic Comics, Weakly 1
Light and Darkness War 1, 2
Living Stone Mountain
Loner 1
Lords of the Ultra-Realms 1
Lucifer 1
M.A.C.H. 1 (fleetway) Secret Weapon 1, 2
Master 1
Maxwell Mouse Follies 1
Maze 5, 18, 19
Merlin 3, 6
Meta-4 (first) 1
Metal Bikini (eternity) 6
Metropol 1, 11
Miami Mice 3 (Marke Bode)
Midnite the Rebel Skunk 1
Mister E 1
Mr. Monster's True Crime 2
Ms. Tree (renagade) 26, 28, 37, 40
Ms. Tree in 3-D
Ms. Tree Quarterly (DC) 3, 4
Mummy 1, 2
Mummy,s Curse (aricel) 1, 3
Myth Conceptions 1
Nathaniel Dusk 2
Nathan Impaler: Monster Hunter (night realm) 1
Nemesis the Warlock (quality) 1, 5
New Beginning 1
New Frontier 1
Newstralia 3
New Triumph featuring Northguard 4
New York Year Zero 1-4
Night Life (caliber) 8
Night Zero (fleetway) 2
Ninja Elite (adventure) 1-5, 7
Nosferatu 1
Official Buz Sawyer 1
Official Prince Valiant 1, 2
Olympians 1
One 1
Open Season 1
Open Space 2, 3
Oracle 1
Original Black Cat 1
OX Cow O' War 1
Pandora Pill 1
Panorama 1
Pathways to Fantasy 1
Patrick Rabbit 1
Penguin in Paris 4
Personality Comics Presents Musics Comics on Tour The Beatles 1
Personality Comics Presents Rolling Stones
Pineapple Army 6
Planet of the Apes 8
Portia Prinz of the Glamazons 4
Psycho Killers (comic zone) 6 (Richard Ramirez
Punisher and Captain America: Blood and Glory 1-3
Question (DC) 35
Red Heat 1
Retief 1
Rhudiprrt The Prince of Fur 2
Rivit (blackthorne) 1
Robocop vs. The Terminator 1
Rock and Roll Comics 56 (David Bowie)
Rockin Rollin Miner Ants (fate) 4
Roger Rabbit's Toontown 1
Runners (rip off press) 1
Sable (first) 19
Same Slade Robohunter
Samurai Son of Death
Scarlet Kiss 1
Scavengers (quality) 9, 10
Scorched Earth 1, 3
Scout: War Shaman 4
Screen Monsters 1
Sensational She-Hulk (marvel graphic novel 18)
shatterpoint (eternity) 2
Shuriken 3
Shuriken Cold Steel 1
Silverfawn 1
Sinbad (adventure) Book 1: The Four Trials #4
Sisterhood of Steel 7
Skreemer (DC) 1, 2
Slaine
Slash Maraud 1-6
Song of the Cid (caliber) 2
Sonic Disrupters 6
Space Ark 1
Spellbinders (quality) 3
Spider 1-2
Spider-Man Special 1 (vs. Venom, UNICEF giveaway 1993)
Spider-Man and Power Pack (giveaway)
Spoof (Spawn Spoof)
St George 1
Stalkers (epic) 1
Stark Future (aricel) 5
Starriors 1-4
Steed & Mrs Peel 1
Straw Men (all-american) 1, 2
Street Wolf 2
Super Shark Humanoids 1
Survivors 1
Swords of Shar-Pei 1
Syphons 1
Tales from the Aniverse 3
Tales of Ordinary Madness 1-4
Tales of the Green Hornet 1, 2
Tales of the Jackalope 1
Thundersaur 1
Tomb of Dracula 1
Torrid Affairs 4, 5
Toxic Avenger 1-3
Transmutation of Ike Garuda 1
Trekker 1-5
Trouble with Tigers (antarctic) 1
Twilight Man (first) 1, 4
2000 AD Showcase 50
UFO Alien Contact (comic zone) 1
Ultra Klutz 1
Unicorn Isle 2
Valkyrie 1-3
Anne Rice: Interview With a Vampire 1
Anne Rice: Vampire Companion 1
Anne Rice: Vampire Lestat 5
Venus Wars 1
Video Jack 1-5
Violent Cases
Wacky Squirrel Summer Fun Special 1
Wanderers 1
War 1, 2
Warheads 1
Warlock 5 (aricel) 20
Wasteland 5
Web 1
Weird 1
Wizards of the Last Resort 1
World Without End 4
X-Terminators 1-4
Zell Sworddancer 1
Zorro 1

Most comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards.  Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff.  I am willing to haggle.

I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help.

I will trade for other comics as well as computer equipment, video
equipment, etc...  Let me know what you want to trade!!


It is also much easier to scribble corrections on a hard-copy manual.


I don't wish to rehash the PGP patent issue at all, but I do feel
that some potential misconceptions in interpretting intellectual property
laws need to be raised.

You are correct that executing PGP would be a violation (unless the patent
were declared invalid by the courts), but...  there is a question as
to when, how, or if distributing PGP would be a violation.  If the person
or company distributing PGP receives money for doing so, then it is
clearly a sale (for example, if it were on Compuserve, they charge you
for access so they would be selling PGP).  When there is no charge for
PGP things get less clear, but there would still be a reasonable view
that it is inducing an infringement.

This is a common misconception.  The patent laws do not mention any valid
purpose for infringing a patent.  Although it is clear that in order to
create a new invention either based on a prior patent or to avoid infringing
a prior patent, one must perform research on an existing patent.  To
just say that you infringed a patent (assume we're not talking the RSA
patent) only for research purposes (wink wink, nudge nudge) and then never
develop any related invention (ie. only use it), would be a clear
infringement.


Certainly. Reference follows.

Bear in mind that there are at least two conditions which may be called
red/green colour blind. One, protanopia, is caused by a lack or major
dysfunction of the L cones, those that respond best to long
wavelengths. This gives much reduced red/green and red/violet discrimination and
also means that reds look dimmer than than they do to people with normal vision.

The other, deuteranopia, is due to missing or dysfunctional M cones although it
can also be caused by a lack of the L-M cone difference signals in the retina.
It also gives reduced red/green discrimination but red/violet is unaffected.
Unlike protanopia, reds are not dimmer than  normal.

On a uniform chromaticity diagram - the horseshoe shaped one you see in computer
graphics books - there is a single confusion point for each type of colour
deficiency. Colours which are confused lie on straight lines radiating from this
point. For protanopia the point is at u'=0.61,v'=0.51, very close to the far red
corner. For deuteranopia, the point is at u'=-4.75, v'=1.31

Note that different experimental investigations in the literature give slightly
different values for these depending on the precise details of the experimental
setup, random errors, and so on. The values quoted are typical.

So if all colours on a line are seen as the same, which colour is actually seen?

This problem has now been solved. Tests on people with one normal eye and one
affected eye have shown that there is an axis for each type of disorder onto
which all the colours collapse. For protanopes this joins up 473nm and 574nm on
the spectral locus (the edge of the horseshoe); for deuteranopes the line is
very similar,  joining 477nm and 579nm.

*So* to convert colours from normal vision to a simulated protanopia or
duuteranopia:

1) Plot the colour on a uniform chromaticity diagram
2) Construct a line from this point to the appropriate confusion point
3) Find the intersection of this line with the appropriate axis line
4) This is the new chromaticity.

The best reference for this is Meyer, G.W. & Greenberg, D.P. (1988) 'Colour
defective vision and computer graphics displays', IEEE Computer Graphics and
Applications 8(5) 28-40.

You will also need a decent reference on basic colour science if you are not
familiar with the CIE XYZ colour model and the uniform chromaticity scale diagram.

Yes this is certainly possible. You will need the chromaticities of the red
green and blue phosphors of the monitor you intend to display the images on, and
the chromaticity of the white point. This information can be measured, or
obtained from the manufacturer. I posted a list of some monitor chromaticities a
couple of weeks ago.

The procedure, for each pixel (!) is as follows. (Some lookup tables might be a
help here.)

A) convert RGB to CIE XYZ. This is a simple 3*3 matrix multiplication once you
have the monitor data.
B) retaining the Y component for later, convert XYZ to chromaticity coordinates u'v'
using u' = 4X/(X+15Y+3Z), v' = 9Y/(X+15Y+3Z)
C) find the equation of the line as in step 2 above
D) find the intersection as in step 3
E) convert back from u'v' to XYZ, using the Y value from step A
F) Ensure that this new colour can be displayed on your monitor; if not, move it
along a line in XYZ space towards neutral grey (ie half way between black and
white) until it is displayable.

Done; also posted for the rest of us.

--
Chris Lilley
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Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road,
Manchester, UK.  M13 9PL                        Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk
Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045  Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc


This sounds to me like a sort of generic modalism (in the the three phases
of water are but different modes of behavior of the same physical stuff).
It certainly does not seem to me to describe the orthodox position.

[Of course, I suppose that the medieval view of water may have been
different, but now we know that the phases of water are just different
*behaviors* of the same physical stuff - different modes, not different
identities - but perhaps the medieval people did not know that].

This is clearly Modalistic Monarchianism, since these three aspects depend
solely on point of view, and are do not really represent actual variety
within the person.

Do you now begin to see why


Well 48 bit colour *could* be for improved resolution but 16 bits per channel
seems like a bit excessive. I have seen a paper that quoted 10 bits per channel
of 12 bits for computational precision. More than that would seem to be wasted.

Perhaps the frame buffer uses another colourspace which needs more bits to
represent the full range - RGB is a cube so it is a compact encoding.

Most likely however is that there are two separate 24 bit (8 bits per component)
frame buffers. This set up, called double buffering, allows a complex 3d picture
to be built up on one buffer while the other buffer (containing the previous
frame) is displayed. This makes for smoother animation.

Well hey if you want to brag about numbers, the 5000 range can take a PXG Turbo+
card with 96 bits per pixel. Full double buffering (Two 24 bit buffers), a 24
bit Z buffer and an extra 24 bit buffer for off screen image storage.

Mind you the card costs more than your workstation.

--
Chris Lilley
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Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project
Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road,
Manchester, UK.  M13 9PL                        Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk
Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045  Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc


Perhaps it was the most exciting game played yet that YOU have seen.  For
most of us who watch teams around the league with interest and objectivity,
it was *nowhere* *near* the most exciting game...

Unfortunately, the instant replay is not used on hits.  At first, I
immediately thought "5 and a game" because the hit _looked_ much more severe
from an intent-to-injure perspective than it was.  After seeing the replay,
I'd say it deserved 2-4 minutes for boarding (it was careless any way you
slice it).  If Stewart had replay, I do not think Chaisson would have gotten
5 and the game.

This no-call was bullshit, I agree. I admire Stewart for letting them go, but
Probert *looked* *up* saying where the hell is the penalty?  I've never
seen Probert whine either (he doesn't need to).  Now, if Probie
decides to put Wendel through the boards, he's probably gone, right?

This was also bullshit.  But once again, no replay.  It was Rouse, btw. I'm
really pissed that the linesmen didn't correct the call either....it's b.s.
when the officials refuse to admit they made a mistake.

Yes.  The calls you describe should not have the difference in a Detroit
loss.  I picked the Leafs to win Game 3 on emotion and adrenalin, but the
Wings have no excuses for Game 4.  They should be the superior team.

The call that pissed me off the most was Anderson getting 4 for putting his
stick in somebody's eye.  That was _the_ most dangerous stick infraction I
have seen in a long time, and everybody in the damn league _knows_ he's an
asshole when it comes to stickwork.  Four lousy minutes.  Bullshit call.
Murray should send the tape in.  Or a Wing should hammer the living shit out
of him.


I have done this before, but I'm not sure I used the best approach (although
I tried several methods...).

You have to run up the window heirarchy (using XQueryTree()) until you get
to the root window.  Now, this is not so simple because some window managers
slap a window over the root window that is the same size as the root window,
so be sure to take that into account for further calculations.

Calculate the position and width/height offsets for each window using
XGetGeometry().  BE SURE TO TAKE THE BORDER_WIDTH INTO CONSIDERATION.
Remember a windows border_width IS ON THE OUTSIDE of a window, so the
windows x,y,width,height must be adjusted accordingly.

All of this should give you pretty good numbers for how much space the
window-manager is using.

Now, to place the new window, you have to use the same numbers to calculate
where you want to place it, because the window-manager will re-parent it on
the OUTSIDE of where you place your window (if I remember correctly).

DISCLAIMER: All of this is from memory, and I no longer have the code.  But
I did get it working under several window managers correctly.  Feel free to
call or e-mail for further info.

              -McGary


Everywhere we see and hear about christianity (due to its
evangalistic nature). Witnessing, spreading the gospel, etc.
But what I want to know is...

"Why should I (or anyone else) become a Christian?"

(In twenty five words or less).

	Zeros and Ones will take us there....
	peace. plastic. 1993.


OK, never heard of Cross filters, but Roberts, Prewitt and Sobel filters
are standard spatial masks for edge detection.  Highpass filtering does a
good job of detecting edges, too.  A good reference for all sorts of general
digital image processing is the book _Digital Image Processing_ by
Rafael C. Gonzalez and Richard E. Woods.  Addison-Wesley Publishing Co. 1992.
ISBN 0-201-50803-6

I've used this source to do the above filters and many other things as a
grad project.  Not too dificult to do.  The worst part is loading in the
images from TIFF/GIF/IFF-ILBM/whatever!  :)


Is there a portable and convenient way to use color picture files in
the .xpm format to define an X pixmap in a Motif application? Any
functions, pointers, tips etc. would be most welcome.

--------------------
Saad Mufti
Personal Library Software


How about,
Frank Jacksonsuck-Bolick
or
Frank "Cake Icing" Bolick
or
Frank it's not a cow but a Bolick
or
Frank How Do you get a ribbon to stay on a birthday present Bolick
or
Frank "Burns" Bolick
or
Frank Lee Bad Player Bolick
or
Frank "I Suck, not" Bolick

and so on.

Matt Wall * wall@cc.swarthmore.edu * Hey, I gotta job here, OK?


There was an article in one of the U.K. dailies this week
about a soccer goalkeeper who had to be carried off the
field after a collision with a Ford Sierra cage.


I am trying to find out anything I can about available documentation
for IGES and e00(Arc/Info) formats.  If you know anything about these
formats (or just one) PLEASE send me a note.  I don't read this group,
so please send responses to:

mike@prc.utexas.edu

Thank You


Gee, nice of them to tell us.  Like, how about a Gestalt response bit for
the
GestaltPowerManagerAttributesFoodSpreadProduct selector?  Well, at least
now I know why it doesn't work (I assume; I 'm using a PB 145).


Then we all live happily ever after. :-)

Seriously, if we all agreed on the circumstances we're in, I suspect we'd all
agree on the best course of action.  Unfortunately, I have no confidence that
such a situation will ever arise.

Some of us think there's a big God in the sky, some don't.  Some think
they've been chosen by God, others disagree.  Some think they are infallible,
others think otherwise.  Until those disagreements over circumstances can be
ironed out, there's little hope of everyone agreeing.

Yes.  I think that, for example, only a vanishingly small number of people
would hold that there's a frame of reference in which gassing six million
Jews is good.  So that's probably about as close to an objective moral value
as I've encountered in my life so far.

Well, I think your example's poor.  If the bomb's in Iraq, for example, and
was dropped by an American plane, many people would hold that it was a moral
act.

Hmm.  So these moral values have a perceptible physical presence?

Right, and the chain ends right there.  The buck stops with me.  It's not an
infinite regress.

Right.  The key point, however, is that there are vanishingly few of these
moral issues where we can get 99.9% of people to agree on the outcome for all
frames of reference (and agree on the frames of reference...)

I can't manage either.  Killing Hitler using a car bomb would have been a
terrorist act, but I have to admit that I couldn't exactly condemn it.
Although there are tricky philosophical issues to do with hindsight...

I think that circumstances have already arisen where terrorism would have
been better than peace.  Better in terms of numbers of innocent people
killed.  Assuming it was successful terrorism, of course.


Ideas for the relief of sciatica. Please respond to my E-mail


I looked at that Bimmer yesterday. It's an '81, has about 90kmi, according
to owner (odometer stopped working at 68Kmi). Drivess well, sounds good,
body is OK, he wants $3000.
i liked the car, despite it's auto tranny, but my wife will be a primary
driver on this one, and she wants auto.
The radio does not work untill the car warms up and you honk the horn (!)
The A/C seems to have a leak.
The sunroof is sticky, but operational.
Odometer does not work, as mentioned before.
Idle is a bit bouncy, going from 900rpm to 1200rpm.
Wipers are slow.
That's teh gripes. The owner says that he changed radiator, alternator,
rotors and calipers, exhaust.
The biggest problem, is that the owner is a shifty SOB, telling strange
stories. I hate that. I would never buy from a persom like that, except, how
often you see a descent 528i for that amount of money. He also said that,
although I could bring a mechanicin, he wouldn't let me check the car by taking
it to a garage. Suspicious. And who knows what milage is on it.
So, let me know what to check for, given there's practically no rust.
I know there was an article on 528i in R&D a few years back, anybody remembers
what issue?
Mike.S


Look nobody asked those countries about their UN forces
to be on the ground.  They can take their forces which are
incomponent and ineffective at the first place.  And let whoever are
willing to do the job what it takes.  How anyone can defend this
stinking UN force on the ground who let the Bosnnian PM
yanked out from the UN vehicle and being shot by the Serbian
military?  How anyone can defend this UN force who are just watching
the shelling on cities and towns everyday?  How anyone can
defend and say those stinking UN forces being effective
when Bosnian had almost 14,000 children casualties between 5-14 age
groups?  I think talking about the current UN forces to Bosnian
muslims is just an insult to their casualties.

I think Senator Biden said it all what has to be said on this issue.
Europe is a sad place to criticize human rights in anywhere in this
world.  Like Biden said, they are the bigots when it comes to
cultural difference and minorty closer to their home.
Because they get rid of their minorities long long time
ago starting in 15th centuries.  And they let Adolph
to take care of the rest in 20th Century.  But he was much more
naughty than they expected because he dared to step many
toes.  So, why spoil the good thing now when Serbs doing today what
they were thinking the same yesterday.


Hi,
	Just a quick question.  What standard lab solvents can be used to
clean electronic equipment and components safely (ie not corrode, dissolve,
short-out, etc the equipment)?
	water?	:-)
	methanol?
	CCl4?
	etc?
I am not an electronics type (surprise, surprise), and I want to avoid using
freons.


Copyright 1993 Agence France Presse
                          Agence France Presse

HEADLINE: Egyptian arrested after mock threat to blow up  Iran's
Paris mission

DATELINE: PARIS

BODY:

     PARIS, April 16 (AFP) - An Egyptian man held police at bay
for several hours outside the Iranian Embassy here, threatening
to blow up the building to protest against terrorism and
fundamentalism.

      The man in his thirties, who was identified only as "an
Egyptian national ," displayed a banner outside the embassy
gate and said he was in possession of several sticks of dynamite
he threatened to set off.


Did you by any chance see the pictures of the agents in flak jackets climbing
up on the roof and breaking windows.  You call that peaceful?  If you
believed, as these people did, that they would be attacked by evil forces
from the outside, found the scores of agents breaking into your compound
what would you do?  Your beliefs always determine your actions.  The
beliefs may be wrong from my point of view but they are yours all the same.

To make it more practical.  If I attempted to stick you with a needle you
would try to stop me because you believe it would hurt, or that I do not
have that right.  If you did not you would ignore me.  You certainly would
it you saw me sticking the needle in a tree.

Koresh may have been misguided, only God knows.  But the Jews at Masada
died for what they believed, the three Hebrews preferred to die in the
furnace rather than bow down, Daniel preferred to die in a lion's den
rather than stop praying to his God, and as a Christian I am prepared to
die for my faith.

Koresh was not dying for now reason.  He had a cause.  Why should he give
up the children to forces he was convinced were evil.  The events are
bizarre but they match his beliefs.


: >IS3does anyone know whether or not it is possible to have 2 monitors working
: >IS3with Microsoft Windows 3.1? I have a Taxan Multi Vision 550 and a NEC

: This may work when using a VGA and a Hercules card in one system, but
: using two VGA-cards in one system will never work.

I believe that two 8514 (8514/A?) may be used in tandem on one system.
This is the one exception to the VGA+Mono dual monitor combo that I
have heard about.  Has anybody done this?


With one exception, that's a pretty good description of many of the
Baptists I know.  The exception is that they know the difference
between an M-16 and an AR-15.  Heck - they even know that "it looks
like Richard Petty's stock car" doesn't mean "it's a racing stock
car".  They may be uncouth, but they've figured out that appearance
isn't function.

-andy


Actually, Keith Hernandez is the best.

                                    -Sean


Since loading Windows, two of my DOS applications have been
acting strangely.  It appears that font changes and page
orientation changes (so far) are not being recognized in
WordPerfect/DOS and QuattroPro/DOS.  Another DOS application
does accept font and page orientation changes, so I don't
think the problem is with the printer.

I reloaded QuattroPro, and these changes are still not
accepted whether launching from Windows or the DOS prompt.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look or how to
correct this problem?  I've ordered QuattroPro for Windows,
but need a landscape application printed immediately.  Please e-mail.

Thanks in advance!


It's the number of legs on a centipede.
So, now you know.


	Let me guess: you're not a psycho-analyst in real life, but you play
one on alt.atheism. Right?

	Is ESP something you have been given by God?
---

Private note to Jennifer Fakult.

        "This post may contain one or more of the following:
         sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware
         of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be
         confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume
         all of the above.


Note:  I'm not posting this as part of an argument with Roger Meynard,
but as an independent sort of thread.  I do actually quote some things
that Roger Meynard wrote, but it might be better to think of this as
"sampling" his post (in the hip-hop sense) because it fits in with what
I want to say.

There's an interesting parallel between this way of viewing a baseball
team and some people's conception of a biological organism.  In the
biology context, we would very likely read "fitness" for "the score of
the game" and "organisms" for "teams".  How we interpret "players" is
trickier, but either "organs", or "genes" might seem reasonable
choices depending on what point we were trying to make.  A "genes"
interpretation actually might be really interesting in this case,
but that would be a different and probably longer post.

If, however, we take the "organ" view, then our knowledge of biology
should make us pause before we start saying things like "species X is
more fit than species Y because of a better organ Z".  Given what we
know about the interdependence of organs, we would often be suspicious
of such claims.  (But note that this type of argument is quite often
made when you map "species X" onto 'humans', and "organ Z" onto
'brain').  On the other hand, some statements of this kind do seem
more reasonable than others, as far as we can test them (e.g. 'brain'
above might be more reasonable than 'pancreas' assuming no gross
pathology, particularly if species Y is a primate).

Even when you make such statements, you should be concerned with the
functioning of the whole organism, and the possibility that one organ
might be more crucial for one species and a second organ in another.
(Not to mention the possibility that no organ is particularly crucial
in some third species.)  However, if we are non-vitalists with any
kind of reductionsit streak, we will want to say that an organism is
not some completely magical unanalyzable "whole" but an intriguing
process made up of various subprocesses that interact in ways that are
potentially observable.  Some of these processes might be localized to
particular organs, while others may be distributed across multiple
organs.  In a way, this is just like a baseball team, except that I
think it is pretty clear that the processes and interactions involved
in baseball are *much* simpler and less numerous than in most organisms.

One thing that is quite difficult about baseball is that perfectly
controlled experiments are sometimes very tough to do.  But, of
course, this has never stopped researchers from doing the best they
can, and sometimes deriving very powerful conclusions even in the
absence of certainty.  Most of this goes far beyond sheer speculation,
but even sheer speculation can motivate further interesting research.

In this cases, we're seeing the word "statistics" means "summary of
observed events", where the events themselves can be viewed as the
output of some process, and possibly inputs for other processes.
Thus, if we have any valid notion of how the processes are put together
into the functioning organism, data in the form of statistics might
give us a basis to test particular hypotheses.

This statement brings us back to the concept of fitness again.
Fitness is defined in terms of both an organism and its environment;
you might be fit in one situation and not another.  Moving to
baseball, it is clear that each team spends the entire season in an
environment including all the other teams in the league.  In at least
a nominal sense, the division winners are the fittest teams in the
league, in that they (on average) had better fitness scores than any
of their competing opponennts.  But in a real sense, there is a fairly
large random component in the performance of each team that is
difficult if not impossible to account for in terms of factors
intrinsic to (or interesting for) baseball.  The same is true in
biology.  But here is also no direct biological equivalent of the
World Series in basebal.  In the world series, the random component
may be greatly magnified by the small number of games that are played,
and both teams suddenly experience huge changes from the environement
where they were originally successful.  It might be fun to watch, but
it's unclear what it all really means.

***

Now just one more un-related point:

On the other hand, you have seen some of us who can predict the
outcome of the divisional races better than a random assignment of
teams to finishes, and maybe some of us (e.g. me) who can do this
better than the other participants in this forum on a regular basis.
But this is probably only due to the fact that a 162-game schedule
gives you a little hope that bad hops aren't the only difference
between the winners and the losers.

Moreover, you've had the opportunity to see some analysis of the World
Series situation that makes the strong claim that *nobody* can predict
the WS winner with reliably greater accuracy than a coin biased only
to reflect the well-known home vs. road effect on winning percentage.

Since stats are summaries of events, it's true that if you know the
events you can derive the stats.  But if somebody is trying to
understand the process behind the stats, then the stats produce new
knowledge, and some of this might even be reliable, repeatable, and
useful.  Speaking of which, I should get back to producing knowledge
in a different field.  That is, of course, if I can produce knowledge
even though I'm relying on stats to do it.


That's great.  Read my article.  Edit out the personal formality, and save.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
George Gruschow                                Death do you gronk.
ag625@yfn.ysu.edu                              ggruscho@nyx.cs.du.edu


Olympus Stylus, 35mm pocket camera. Smallest in its class.  Includes
TIME & DATE STAMP, BATTERY, & CARRYING CASE.  Red eye reduction, timer
fully automatic.  Rated #2 in Consumer Reports.  $115 obo.


I have the following LDs for sale 20 for 1st 15 each additional,
postage (3rd class) paid.

Project A-ko (Japanese - NO ENGLISH)
Dominion Act-I (Japanese - NO ENGLISH)
Dominion Act-II (Japanese - NO ENGLISH)

Far From the Madding Crowd (LBX)
West Side Story (LBX)
Ben Hur (P&S)
The Dirty Dozen (P&S)
Star Trek V (P&S)
The Fabuluos Fleischer Folio Vol 1
Tom and Jerry Classics
Bugs Bunny Classics

--
brian
oplinger@ra.crd.ge.com


I am writing an article on Clipper for Network World.  I am looking for
comments and opinions (that I can quote) on the scheme, its implications
for security and privacy, its acceptance here and overseas, etc.

I hope this to be a balenced article, with opinions from various quarters.
The only  catch is that your name and company affiliation will appear in
print.

I am on very tight deadline (I need to finish this Wednesday night).  Please
call or E-Mail responses.


The answer is in the FAQ for this group.  nough said.


Jim Haynes wants to know the following is a scam....

       There's a chiropractor who has a stand in the middle of a shopping
       mall, offering free examinations.  Part of the process involves a
       multiple-jointed sensor arm and a computer that says in a computer-
       sounding voice "digitize left PSIS" "digitize right PSIS" "digitize
       C7" "please stand with spine in neutral position".  I'm wondering
       whether this doesn't really measure anything and the computer voice
       is to impress the victims, or whether it is measuring something
       that chiropractors think is useful to measure.

Earth to sci.med....If it looks like a duck...and quacks like a duck......

This is a TOTAL scam. Since the beginning of chiropraxis, the chiropractor has
tried to sell The Subluxation as The Problem and then sell themselves and
their Adjustments as The Solution. The Chiropractic Subluxation is a delusional
diagnosis and the Adjustments of Subluxations by extension constitute a
delusional medicine.

The wide spectrum of chiropractic Techniques ALL have their own methods for
detecting Spinal Demons and unique methodolgies for Excorcizing Them. The
computer approach is an attempt to 'sell with science' but this device is
nothing more than a 'high-tech' Subluxation Detector.....and in the end...
AMAZINGLY...it will show the potential 'patient' to suffer from...VS......
Vertebral Subluxation....The Silent Killer!


yet another twist ...

I'm expiriencing the same kind of problem with my SE (2.5/40), although not
as frequent.

Any suggestions?


Answers please by e-mail, since not all groups in the header are carried here.

Hi!

Personally, I like NeXTSTEP very much. Even more when I realise how much a
burden ordinary X or Windows programming is. I also like Objective-C better
than I like C++.

But, sometimes the restrictions are there. For instance it sometimes has to be
MS-Windows or X. Now I'm looking for pointers to tools on those environments
that come close to NeXTSTEP, the appkit etc. Also, environs that support rapid
prototyping (like with IB) without producing spaghetti-code as soon as you want
to do real work.

Maybe STEPSTONE with some Windows version of a kit of UI objects? Interviews
(what it is exactly, I don't know. I kind of lost touch with that world when I
started with NeXTSTEP.)

Thanks,


*********************Sony B+W Watchman TV*********************

Sony B+W 2.5 inch TV.  It is in excellent condition.  It has not
been used much at all, thus why I am selling it.  It gets great           $60
reception.  It sells new for $100 so I am asking $60.  It is small
enough (3"x6"x2") that you can carry it around anywhere.

Please e-mail to jbell@eecom.gatech.edu
--


There's a difference between believing in the existence of an entity,
and loving that entity. God _could_ show me directly that he exists,
and I'd still have a free choice about whether to love him or not. So
why doesn't he?
--
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Kevin Anthoney                                         kax@cs.nott.ac.uk
            Don't believe anything you read in .sig files.


Thanks for all the responses. I've made contact with the UK distributor :-)


In light of the last letter I posted from Jeff Brody concering the crap
that is going on in the MOA, (which some folks took not as dissemination
of information that I received, but as my own bad mouthing) I thought that
I would post this one, which came to me yesterday.  This is from board member
Robert Higdon to MOA Pres Chich Morse.  This is NOT my words, O.K. guys?

                                   April 4, 1993

re:  Cecil King's Nominating Statement

Dear Chick:
      We have a very serious problem with the election for president of the
MOA this year.  Cecil King's nominating statement (as it appeared in the
Owners News) is 968 words, nearly twice as many as that is permitted by
the by-laws.  In pertinent part, the rules state:

"Each candidate's biography and position statement shall be limited to
a combined total of no more than 500 words. The nominating committe shall cut afafter the 500th word any biography and position statement exceeding this length.

    Obviously the nominationg committe was not up to the task.  Had Cecil's
statement been cut as required, it would have concluded approximately with
the word "undertiding" [sic] in the second paragraph after the commencement
of his Position Statement.  As a result, Cecil has obtained what I view as a
grossly unfair advantage over the other candidates for president.  This does
not just taint the election for that office; it makes a mockery of the
process.  I would appreciate your advising the board immediately what steps
you intend to take to rectify this caricature of a fair election.
     Parenthetically, in your private correspondence with others, I would
be most appreciative that when tou call me an "asshole" you remind the
letter's recipient that the re-publication of such a comment is almost
guaranteed to have woeful consequences.
   With kind regards, I remain,
                                 Robert Higdon


You CAN print to a file from an HP (or any other printer).  Just go into
the Printers section of your Control Panel.  Select the printer you want
to re-direct to a file, and click on Connect.  Then choose :FILE as the
port to connect the printer to.

When you print from any application to that printer, Windows will prompt
you for a file name for the file into which you want to capture the
printout.

It's pretty easy.

Good luck!


The private insurance industry skims the cream off the milk...simple.


	Could you speak up? I can't hear you....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


That's a good way to put it.  It's a quiet confidence.  I don't feel like
I have to defend this team anymore.

The Devils are a puzzle to me.  They have long been one of the few teams
I always dreaded playing.  Their D isn't quite what it used to be but they
still usually play us pretty tough.  I just can't figure it out.  At least
last night they mounted an attack.

Bernie Nichols was interviewed after Game 2 on the late news.  He was
shaking his head in disbelief over Barrasso, saying that Tommy is like
another defenseman out there and how difficult it is playing against him.
Then he got this far-away look on his face, his voice started trailing
off and he said, "It just isn't right...it just isn't fair..." and he
tried to muster a smile.

As far as coaching goes, a Pens/Islanders match-up should be pretty good.

One guy I feel sorry for in all of this so far is Chris Terreri.  I'm sure
Tom Barrasso knows how he feels.  For so long Tommy would look up and not
have a teammate in sight.  Terreri's teammates really left him out in the
cold in the first two games.


This is not correct.  The event horizon is not the "center" of the black
hole but merely the distance at which the escape velocity is equal to the
speed of light.  That is, the event horizon is a finite radius...


Well, renaming screensavers (.scr) to .exe, and running them, as has
been pposted, (I haven't tried changing win.ini , but should have same
effect) shows me the "setup" dialog. box, butdoesn't enable the saver.


I know there's been a lot of talk about Jack Morris' horrible start,
but what about Dennis Martinez.  Last I checked he's 0-3 with 6+ ERA.
Is the ageless wonder finally showing his age?  Does he usually start
off the season so slowly?  I know he plans to start tonight.   I hope
he comes around....

I would appreciate any feedback concerning outlook on rest of Dennis
Martinez's season...

Thanks in advance,


I need triangulized data of some nice looking model with some
texture mapping. It would be better if the parametric values
of each vertex( for the surface before triangulized ) are
avaliable along with the Euclidean points so that we
could use them for texture mapping.


I have a Headland Technologies Video Seven VRAMII board that only
came with 512K, at the time this was ok but...

I need info or help with upgrading this board to 1 Mbyte.  There are
2 rows of pins over the VRAM chips, I think for a piggyback board
of VRAM.  I would like to hear from anyone that may be able to help
me upgrade this board.  Maybe someone from Headland who maybe read-
ing this has one of these piggyback boards just laying around, please
please please!

Does anyone know of where I could maybe buy the upgrade for this?  I
would sure love to use this in 800X600-256 color mode but for the time
being, I can only get 3/4 of the screen with the bottom part a white
strip, obviously because of the missing VRAM, actually I'm surprised
it even works to this degree at all!


Is this reverisible?  You can unpoke as easy as you poke?


Well, again, I am doing as much as the poster I was replying too. I am
quite busy and really don't have the time to respond in full scholarly
form to every accusation that is flippantly made by someone who's
being clearly antagonistic.

I have considered it. But if someone spreads falsehoods out of
ignorance then they are still spreading falsehoods. Those falsehoods
generally do not come out of nowhere but are produced by people
who know that what they are saying is (at _least_) not the whole
truth. I still consider such spreading of falsehoods propaganda
on some level.

Bob, I never accused you of having your head up your ass! It takes
me quite some time in dealing with someone before accusing them of
having their head up their ass. I was accusing the original poster
(Benedikt, I believe) of being so impaired.

Cheers,


Personal attacks?

Deliberate misinterpretation of a persons statement?  (By cutting out
the part of the statement, he tries to blunt the thrust of the sentence.
He never addresses the issue of extreemist peace people not holding true
to their ideals.)

Ignoring the challenge?  (He ignores the challenge that extreemists for
peace tend to be quite insistent that everyone accept their ideals for
the world, and have even turned quite violent.  (Witness, Chicago, summer
1968)).

Paranoia?  (He assumes that anyone who argues against his viewpoint must
"masturbate over Guns'N'Ammo.")

Fire up the Oven, it isn't hot enough!


Computer Equipment Garage Sale:

I've finally decided to clean out my closets and get rid of some of the stuff
that is broken or not being used by me.  I've put together a list and
indicated what I think each item is worth.  This is just my estimate, and I
am very open to any offers, including trades.  I'm currently looking for
some CD-ROMs that will work with a Mac CD ROM player CD Caddies, HD floppy
disks, any used Macintosh software, a 387-33Mhz Co-Processor, or basically
anything you have lying around (cans of soup, the neighbor's cat, etc...)
Make me an offer, no offer will be overlooked...
I really want to get rid of this stuff...

Ok, Here's the list:

52 Meg 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive.  Conner Model #CP-3150.  I bought this from a guy
	at a swap meet to use with my Macintosh.  Unfortunately, I can't seem
	to get it to work with the SCSI controller in my computer.  The
	guy tested it with his PC, and printed out a copy of the Norton Disk
	Doctor report which says it has no bad sectors. (I'll send you a copy)
	I was dumb enough not to get his phone number, so I can't return it to
	him. The drive has many jumpers on it, (which I don't know how to set)
	so maybe that's the problem.  I was quite disappointed that it didn't
	work so I'm trying to minimize my losses.	~$45

52 Meg 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive. Conner Model #CP-3150.  Same situation as above.
	I bought both of these drives from the same guy.  Despite the different
	model numbers they are the same exact drive.  Same report from NDD
	(I have one for each drive) will be included.	~$45

40 Meg SONY 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive.  SONY Model #SRD2040A.  The drive mechanism
	is completely trashed.  This hard drive was in my computer (Mac SE) and
	had a stiction problem.  Well, repeated banging on the side of the
	computer resulted in a head crash (yes, metal scraping metal) which
	was not too pleasant to listen to.  Still the SCSI controller
	card is in good working order, and can be used for parts, or a
	project.	~$20

65 Meg Seagate 5.25" HH SCSI Hard Drive.  Model #ST-277N.  I originally bought
	this drive, because it had a small stiction problem, and I though that
	I could fix it.  Well I determined that the drive mechanism was fine,
	and that it was a controller problem.  (motor controller wasn't sending
	proper signals.)  Well, after taking the controller off the drive,
	looking at it, and putting it back together, I realized that I
	accidentally severed one of the small flat cables that connect the
	drive to the controller.  I tried to solder it, but I'm not that good
	at soldering so I couldn't do it.  Worked perfectly before I messed
	up.  I used it as a temporary drive when the SONY (above) crashed on
	me.  Also loaded the drive with about twenty Mac applications,
	worth well over $1000.  (Claris CAD, MS Word 5.0, Think C,
	Excel, and many others)
	I think all it needs is a resoldering of that cable.  You also get all
	the software on the drive. (if you can accept being a pirate)  I only
	ask that you delete my data files from the drive.  I was really angry
	when I broke that connection, and then couldn't fix it.  I just don't
	have time to play with it any more.	~$65

AT&T ISDN 7500 Modem.  This is for use on digital phone systems.  If you know
	what this is or would like technical information on it, let me know.  I
	have some tech documents on it.  Is supposed to be the same thing as an
	AT&T digital phone, but without the phone part.  It seems to be in
	working order (passes self test perfectly OK).  I have no idea how
	this is worth...   Let me know if you're interested.

Motorola 68881 CoProcessor.  I haven't tested this one out yet, but if anyone
	is interested I will get it tested out, to make sure that it works.  I
	had trouble using it with my accelerator board, but then I spoke to the
	manufacturer of the board and found out it couldn't be used without
	another controller chip.  When I was looking around to buy one new, the
	prices were around $100.  I will guarantee this to work.	~$65

CGA Card.  Half-Length. 8-bit.  Wasn't working last time I checked (although
	I think I was using a bad monitor)	~$5

5.25"	360K Floppy Drive.  IBM Drive Type 1355.  Guaranteed to work,
	because when I took it out of the PC, it was working!		~$25

5.25" 360K Floppy Drive.  Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE-A.  Guaranteed to
	work.  Came out of same PC as above.	~$25

5.25"	Floppy Drives.  Can't guarantee that these will work.  I don't
	even know if they are low or high density drives.  I don't have
	any method of testing them.
		Panasonic Model number: JU-455-5 ACG.  There's another
			number on it: 2626-361723.
		Panasonic Model number: JU-475-2 AGG.  There's also
			another number on it: H3649-101457
		Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE.  Virtually identical to the one
			above.
	Each Drive ~$10

3.5" PS/2 Drive.  These things are proprietary, so I can't test it, but I
	think it works.  Not sure if it's high density or low density, but I
	suppose someone who is looking for one would know.  Model Number
	DFL413C04A.  I think these things are expensive to replace.  ~$35

MFM Hard Drive Controller Cards.  I've got three of these, and I have no way
	of testing them.  Two of them are 8-bit cards, and one is a sixteen bit
	card with a floppy controller built in.	~$10 for the 8-bits ~$15 for
	the 16-bit card w/floppy.

Interesting cable.  Seems to convert from a VGA plug to an EGA plug.  That is,
	standard nine-pin to VGA 15 pin. Made by Hewlett Packard.  Part No.
	D1181-80020		~$10

I've sold stuff like this before, and it was a huge success, with many
satisfied people trading or bartering stuff they didn't need anymore.  I
usually ship through the U.S. Postal Service (haven't had any problems yet)
and the shipping costs will be split or negotiated.

Well, that's all folks.  As I said before, no offer will be refused.  If you
can convince me to give OCit to you instead of throwing it out, TRY!  I hate
to throw away stuff...

-Wayne


something that no one has discussed yet (or I missed it):

The FBI sets up a wiretap AFTER the court order was handed.
Only at this point they can access the line and detect
the serial number N.

What happens next, does the FBI simply asks for the keys
for N, and, since a warrant was issued for the line, the FBI
simply gets it? What if multiple phones are used from the
same house, the FBI just asks for N1, N2, etc.?

Exactly who is to prevent the FBI from claiming some
other serial number, X, was also used over the wirtapped
line and get the keys for X?

Either a second court order (for the specific serial/key)
is required (and I have seen no indication of this), or
the FBI can effectively ask for any pair of keys at any
time, so the escrow key holders are a total fake.

An unrelated issue: if and when all phones always use
the clipper chip, how are call-transfers going to take
place?!


So what's the deal with the PDS slot in the IIsi?

I recently purchased a Mac IIsi.  I want to add a non-Apple monitor to the
system.  I was told that you could buy a 90 degree angled PDS to NuBus adaptor
card so you can fit a standard NuBus card into the computer.

Am I mistaken or do have to buy a PDS monitor card specifically for the IIsi?
I've seen the PDS monitor cards for the si, but they seem expensive, and I'm
not exactly made of money.

Any ideas?  Help.  Clue me in!
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Hello Netter,

	I want to uprade the power supply of my SE/30 in which
a 8 bit color card is installed.
I know CRC COMPONENTS, Inc. deals the compatible power supply of SE/30
manifactured by POWER PLUS SYSTEMS.
Does anyone know their phone or FAX number of them ?
Please reply me by e-mail.
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Well, as I remember Jacoby's "Mythmaker" talks about this to cite
one source -- but I'm not sure if all Christians have read this book.
In addition my social experiences is from being raised and educated
as a Lutheran, having a lot of Christian friends, and I even
have played in two Christian rock bands!

So, over to you, do you have any counter claims, sources et
rest that shows that Christianity does not have the concept
of a social promise that is independent on the social status?

Cheers,
Kent


Hi.
I have a friend who is interested in subscribing to this newsgroup.
Unfortunatly she does not have usenet access. If someone could send
her a faq and info on how to subscribe, we'd be very appreciative If
you want to send it to me, you can and I will get it to her. I do not
read this newsgroup regularly though so e-mail please.
Thank you
Jody
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Apparently the instinct to brake in the face of danger isn't as strong
as the instinct to freeze up and do nothing in the face of danger.  Hurt
found that a surprising number of accident-involved motorcyclists hadn't
used their brakes at all prior to impact.

I think the only way you'll ever use countersteering reliably and correctly in
a crisis is to make it the only conscious method of directional control you
ever use, and to practice it constantly, even when you have no need to do
any turning.  If you follow me down a long straight, and I seem to be
wiggling back and forth randomly or suddenly without obvious need, it's because
I'm practicing countersteering and avoiding imaginary obstacles directly in
my path.  All of this practice may indeed be futile, but if I have even
milliseconds to react, the most *familiar* tactic available (and hopefully
the most automatic) will be countersteering.  The same logic applies to braking
with the front brake, of course.


Can somebody help me out of this.....

I just installed the Version 104 of McAFree anti-virus program and when i
tried to scan the entire hard disk, i got the message of "Sorry, I can't open
xxxx" for a couple of files, including the WScan104.exe. This didn't happen
before (in previous  version) nor appear on my friend's machine.


Since Facts and Myths doesn't even know where Deir Yassin was,
why should we pay any attention to the rest of what it says?

This account from Eric Silver is the only valid point that M&F makes.
You can find it together with other evidence and analysis in
Silver's biography of Begin.  Also in Silver's book you will find
documentary evidence that nearly everything else in M&F's account
is pure bullshit.

This is pretty disgusting.  The Guardian was told of one or two
feeble old men who dressed in women's clothing in a pathetic
attempt to escape death.  See Silver's book.


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Email queries, responses, flames to:


What's despicable is that this sordid incident is being glommed onto by all
sorts of people desperately trying to "get a revolution." It makes
"ambulance chasing" by lawyers seem like a harmless pastime.

For the last few months, benighted souls have been calling C-SPAN on issues
as mundane as budget resolutions, saying that "I don't know, I just have
the feeling there is going to be a revolution in this country," and so on.

Get real! For a real case study in revolution, go to Blockbuster Video
and check out "Underground," a film made about the Weather Underground in
the 70's. Even with all the strife back then, the "revolution" never did
come. And Waco is supposed to be the spark of the end times?

In the tape, it is interesting to see the way the Weatherpersons dance
around the issue of one of their defining moments, which was when a few
of their comrades managed to blow themselves up manufacturing bombs in
a Greenwich village townhouse. The problem, one of them said, was that
they were so caught up in their armed struggle that they *forgot* about
their own personal safety and weren't "careful." But of course that was
*society's* fault, a society that didn't instill a sense of worth in
the people, so they neglect their own safety.

Current apologists for Koresh may pick up some important rationalization
tips from this tape!


Interesting point.  The Bible doesn't say "hate the sin".
It tells to avoid sin, resist sin, even, when necessary, denounce sin.
But not hate.

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[The following passages all talk about God or people God approves of
hating sin or some other action.  Ps 119:113 also talks about hating
the sinner.  I believe there are other passages that would talk about
hating someone who is evil, but I didn't turn them up in this search
(which was on the word "hate" in the KJV, though I've crosschecked
each passage in the NRSV).

Ps 97:10, 101:3, 105:25, 119:104, 113, 128, 163, , 139:21-22
Prov 6:16, 8:13
Isa 61:8
Amos 5:15
Zec 8:17
Rev 2:6


"I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill you.  Don't worry, though; as a Loving
Christian, I guarantee that I will regret the fact that I have to kill
you, although I won't regret the actual killing."

False dichotomy.

That's because they weren't even attempted.

You want to know why it bothers me that thousands of innocent people were
maimed or killed by bombing at the end of WW2, when it was far from clear
that such bombing was necessary?

And why-is-it-that-way?  Who set things up to be that way?

No, just the ones that have oil.  Or the ones that look like they might make
a success of Communism.

I don't see that getting UN forces to East Timor is any harder than getting
them to Iraq.

Fine.  Write to your Congressman and to President Clinton.  China's status as
"Most Favoured Nation" comes up for renewal in June.  Point out that the US
shouldn't be offering favourable trading terms to such a despicable regime.

I doubt anything will happen.  Clinton's keener on trade sanctions against
Europe.

[ Unbelievable comments about the Rodney King case deleted ]

Any idea how many kill files you just ended up in?

The ends justify the means, eh?

The same tired old misunderstanding.  Moral relativism means that there is no
*objective* standard of morality.  It doesn't mean you can't judge other
people's morals.  Christ on a bike, how many times have we tried to hammer
that into your head?

Obviously not, as I am an atheist.  I don't think you'd get on with Jesus,
though; he was a long-haired lunatic peace-nik, was he not?

Right.  Unfortunately for you, it turned out that my opinions on the matter
were entirely consistent in that I condemned the bombing of Dresden too.

I think you're being a bit glib with your explanation of the blanket bombing
policy, too.  You make it sound as though we were aiming for military targets
and could only get them by destroying civilian buildings next door.  As I
understand it, that is not the case; we aimed deliberately at civilian
targets in order to cause massive damage and inspire terror amongst the
German people.

Oh, come on.  With wars like the Falklands fresh in people's minds, that sort
of propaganda isn't going to fool anyone.

Yes?  And what about the millions of casualties the Russians suffered?  It's
hardly surprising the US didn't lose many men in WW2, given that you turned
up late.


Note that the filesize .dll is a part of the Windows Resource Kit. If
you install it (and you can download it from Cica), it will make the
appropriate changes itself.

kartik


From article <May.13.02.28.48.1993.1471@geneva.rutgers.edu>, by creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps):

Just a little issue of semantics:

Would it not be better, then to call it "pre-determination"?!

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I DID NOT WRITE THAT!  In fact, those statements were a rebuttal to
an earlier posting that I made, and this was culled from my *strong*
rebuttal to those statements.  PLEASE!  Slander.  Shame.

"after the game, it's no big deal" ????   After the employees leave
the workplace, it doesn't matter what they say about the boss or the
company?  Puhlease.

First, it's Ross Porter.  Second, I am really tired of seeing the kind
of response that indicates that all I do is parrot what some media
person says or writes.  I have a brain.  If I choose to characterize
something in a certain fashion, it's because that is what I believe
to be accurate.  It is not just because some unnamed "mediot" made
the characterization.

I did *not* brand Darryl's response as petulant, because I never heard
any response from Darryl.  I did call him a name.  I referred to him
as a primadonna.  Someone else concluded that I did that because I
"hate" him.  I don't hate him.  I think he's a primadonna.  If you
disagree, fine.  But stop putting words in my mouth.

--	The Beastmaster


Not in isolated ground recepticles (usually an unusual color, such as orange
or yellow) often used in low noise, low leakage applications, as mentioned
earlier in the thread.


My Nissan Quest has been doing 20mpg city, though its first few tanks
were more like 17mpg.  The V6 and AT are remarkably smooth.
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