Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part3
Last-modified: 1993/04/27

Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 3/3 ]
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Last Change : 27 April 1993

11. Scene generators/geographical data/Maps/Data files
======================================================

DEMs (Digital Elevation Models)
-------------------------------
  DEMs (Digital Elevation Models) as well as other cartographic data
  [huge] is available from spectrum.xerox.com [192.70.225.78], /pub/map.

  Contact:
  Lee Moore -- Webster Research Center, Xerox Corp. --
  Voice: +1 (716) 422 2496
  Arpa, Internet:  Moore.Wbst128@Xerox.Com
[ Check also on ncgia.ucsb.edu (128.111.254.105), /pub/dems -- nfotis ]

  Many of these files are also available on CD-ROM selled by USGS:
  "1:2,000,000 scale  Digital Line Graph (DLG) Data". Contains datas
  for all 50 states. Price is about $28, call to or visit in offices
  in Menlo Park, in Reston, Virginia (800-USA-MAPS).

  The Data User Services Division of the Bureau of the Census also has
  data on CD-ROM (TSO standard format) that is derived from USGS
  1:100,000 map data. Call (301) 763-4100 for more info or they have
  a BBS at (301) 763-1568.

[ From Dr.Dobbs #198 March 1993: ]

      "The U.S. Defense Mapping Agency, in cooperation with their counterpart
agencies in CANADA, the U.K., and Australia, have released the Digital Chart
of the World (DCW). This chart consists of over 1.5 gigabytes of reasonable
quality vector data distributed on four CD-ROMS. .... includes coastlines,
rivers, roads, railrays, airports,cities, towns, spot elevations, and depths,
and over 100,000 place names."

It is ISO9660 compatible and only $200.00 available from:

U.S. Geological Survey
P.O. Box 25286
Denver Federal Center
Denver, CO 80225

Digital Distribution Services
Energy, Mines, and Resources Canada
615 Booth Street
Ottawa, ON
K1A 0E9 Canada

Director General of Military Survey
(Survey 3)
Elmwood Avenue
Feltham, Middlesex
TW13 7AH United Kingdom

Director of Survey, Australian Army
Department of Defense
Campbell Park Offices (CP2-4-24)
Campbell ACT 2601 Australia

Fractal Landscape Generators
----------------------------

Public Domain:

  Many people have written fractal landscape generators. for example
  for the Mac some of these generators were written by
  pdbourke@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Paul D. Bourke).
  Many of the programs are available from the FTP sites and mail
  archive servers. Check with Archie.

Commercial:

  Vista Pro 3.0 for the Amiga from Virtual Reality Labs -- list price
  is about $100. Their address is:
	VRL
	2341 Ganador court
	San Luis Obispo,
	CA 93401
	Telephone or FAX (805) 545-8515

  Scenery Animator (also for the Amiga) is of the same caliber with Vista Pro 2.
  Check with:
	Natural Graphics
	P.O. Box 1963
	Raklin, CA 95677
	Phone (916) 624-1436

  Don't forget to ask about companion programs and data disks/tapes.

  Vista Pro 3 has been ported to the PCs.

CIA World Map II
----------------
[  NOTE: this database is quite out of date, and not topologically structured.
  If you need a standard for world cartographic data, wait for the
  Digital Chart of the World. This 1:1M database has been produced from
  the Defense Mapping Agency's ONCs and will be available, together with
  searching and viewing software, on a number of CD-ROMs later this summer. ]

  Check into HANAUMA.STANFORD.EDU and UCSD.EDU (see ftp list above)
  The CIA database consists of coastlines, rivers and political boundaries
  in the form of line strokes. Also on hanauma.stanford.edu is a 720x360
  array of elevation data, containing one ieee floating point number for
  every half degree longitude and latitude.

  A program for decoding the database, mfil, can be found on the machine
  pi1.arc.umn.edu (137.66.130.11).
  There's another program, which reads a compressed CIA Data Bank file and
  builds a PHIGS hierachical structure. It uses a PHIGS extension known as
  polyline sets for performance, but you can use regular polylines. Ask
  Joe Stewart <joes@lpi.liant.com>.
  The raw data at Stanford require the vplot package to be able to view it.
  (was posted in comp.sources.unix). To be more exact, you'll have to
  compile just the libvplot routines, not the whole package.

NCAR data
---------
  NCAR (National Center for Atmospheric Research) has many types of
  terrain  data, ranging from elevation datasets at
  various resolutions, to information about soil types, vegetation, etc.
  This data is not free -- they charge from $40 to $90 or more, depending
  on the data volume and media (exabyte tape, 3480 cartridge, 9-track tape,
  IBM PC floppy, and FTP transfer are all available).  Their data archive
  is mostly research oriented, not hobbyist oriented.  For more information,
  email to ilana@ncar.ucar.edu.

UNC data tapes with voxel data
--------------
  There are 2 "public domain" tapes with data for the comparison and
  testing of various volume rendering algorithms (mainly MRI and CT
  scans). These tapes are distributed by the SoftLab of UNC @ Chapel Hill.
  (softlab@cs.unc.edu)

  The data sets (volume I and II) are also available via anonymous FTP from
  omicron.cs.unc.edu [128.109.136.159] in pub/softlab/CHVRTD

NASA
----
  Many US agencies such as NASA publish CD-ROMs with many altimetry data
  from various space missions, eg. Viking for Mars, Magellan for Venus,
  etc. Especially for NASA, I would suggest to call the following
  address for more info:

     National Space Science Date Center
     Goddard Space Flight Center
     Greenbelt, Maryland 20771
     Telephone: (301) 286-6695
     Email address:  request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov

  The data catalog (*not* the data itself) is available online.
  Internet users can telnet to nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.10.4) and log
  in as 'NODIS' (no password).

  You can also dial in at (301)-286-9000 (300, 1200, or 2400 baud, 8 bits,
  no parity, one stop). At the "Enter Number:" prompt, enter MD and
  carriage return. When the system responds "Call Complete," enter a few
  more carriage returns to get the "Username:" and log in as 'NODIS' (no
  password).

  NSSDCA is also an anonymous FTP site, but no comprehensive list of
  what's there is available at present.

Earth Sciences Data
-------------------

  There's a listing of anonymous FTP sites for earth science data, including
  imagery. This listing is called "Earth Sciences Resources on Internet",
  and you can get it via anonymous FTP from csn.org [128.138.213.21]
  in the directory COGS under the name "internet.resources.earth.sci"

  Some sites include:
  aurelie.soest.hawaii.edu [128.171.151.121]: pub/avhrr/images - AVHRR images
  ames.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.18.3]: pub/SPACE/CDROM  - images from
        Magellan and Viking missions etc.
        pub/SPACE/Index contains a listing of files available in the whole
        archive (the index is about 200K by itself). There's also an
        e-mail server for the people without Internet access: send a letter
        to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server). In the
        subject of your letter (or in the body), use commands like:

        send SPACE Index
        send SPACE SHUTTLE/ss01.23.91

        (Capitalization is important! Only text files are handled by the
        email server at present)

  vab02.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.23.47]: pub/gifs/misc/landsat -
	Landsat photos in GIF and JPEG format
[ It was shut down - nfotis; anyone has a copy of this archive?? ]

Others
------
  Daily values of river discharge, streamflow, and daily weather data is
  available from EarthInfo, 5541 Central Ave., Boulder CO  80301.  These
  disks are expensive, around $500, but there are quantity discounts.
  (303) 938-1788.

  Check vmd.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.98], the wx directory carries
  data regarding surface analysis, weather radar, and sat view pics in
  GIF format (updated hourly)

  pioneer.unm.edu [129.24.9.217] is the Space and Planetary Image Facility
  (located on the University of New Mexico campus) FTP server. It provides
  Anonymous FTP access to >150 CD-ROMS  with data/images.

  A disk with earthquake data, topography, gravity, geopolitical info
  is available from NGDC (National Geophysical Data Center), 325 Broadway,
  Boulder, CO  80303.  (303) 497-6958.

  EOSAT (at least in the US) now sells Landsat MSS data older than two years
  old for $200 per scene, and they have been talking about a similar deal
  for Landsat TM data. The MSS data are 4 bands, 80 meter resolution.

  Check out anonymous FTP to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu in
  UNIX/PolyView/alpha-shape for a tool that creates convex hulls
  alpha-shapes (a generalization of the convex hull) from 3D point sets.

  The GRIPS II (Gov. Raster Image Processing Software) CD-ROM
  is available from CD-ROM Inc. at 1-800-821-5245 for $49.
  Code for viewing ADRG (Arc Digitised Raster Graphics) files is
  available on the GRIPS II CD-ROM. The U.S. Army Engineer
  Topographic Labs (Juan Perez) code is also available via FTP
  ( adrg.zip archive in  spectrum.xerox.com )

NRCC range data
---------------
  Rioux M., Cournoyer L. "The NRCC Three-Dimensional Image Data Files",
  Tech. Report, CNRC 29077, National Research Council Canada,
  Ottawa, Canada, 1988
  [ From what I understand, these data are from a laser range finder,
   and you can a copy for research purposes ]

==========================================================================

12. 3D scanners - Digitized 3D Data
===================================

a. Cyberware Labs, Monterey, CA, manufactures a 3D color laser digitizer
  which can be used to model parts of, or a complete, human body.
  They run a service bureau also, so they can digitize models for you.

  Address:
    Cyberware Labs, Inc
    8 Harris Ct, Suite 3D
    Monterey, CA 93940
  Phone: (408)373-1441, Fax: (408)373-3582

b. Polhemus makes a 6D input device (actually a couple of models)
  that senses position (3D) and *orientation* (+3D) based on electromagnetic
  field interference.  This equipment is also incorporated in the
  VPL Dataglove.
  This hardware is also called ISOTRACK, from Keiser Aerospace.

Ascension Technology makes a similar 3D input device.
There is a company, Applied Sciences(?), that makes a 3D input
device (position only) based on speed of sound triangulation.

c. A company that specializes in digitizing is Viewpoint. You can ask
   for Viewpoint's _free_ 100 page catalog full of ready to
   ship datasets from categories such as cars, anatomy, aircraft,sports,
   boats, trains, animals and others. Though these objects are
   quite expensive, the cataloge is nevertheless of interest for it
   has pictures of all the available objects in wireframe , polygon mesh.

  Contact:

  Viewpoint,
  870 West Center,
  Orem, Utah 84057
  ph# 801-224-2222
  fax# 801-224-2272
  1-800-DATASET

------

  Some addresses for companies that make digitizers:

  Ascension Technology
  Bird, Flock of Birds, Big Bird: 6d trackers
  P.O. Box 527,
  Burlington, VT 05402
  Phone: (802) 655-7879, Fax: (802) 655-5904

  Polhemus Incorporated
  Digitizer: 6d trackers
  P.O. Box 560, Hercules Dr.
  Colchester, Vt. 05446
  Tel: (802) 655-3159

  Logitech Inc.
  Red Baron, ultrasonic 6D mouse
  6506 Kaiser Dr.
  Freemont, CA 94555
  Tel: (415) 795-8500w

  Shooting Star Technology
  Mechanical Headtracker
  1921 Holdom Ave.
  Burnaby, B.C. Canada V5B 3W4
  Tel: (604) 298-8574
  Fax: (604) 298-8580

  Spaceball Technologies, Inc.
  Spaceball: 6d stationary input device
  600 Suffolk Street
  Lowell, MA, 01854
  Tel: (508) 970-0330
  Fax: (508) 970-0199
  Tel in Mountain View: (415) 966-8123

  Transfinite Systems
  Gold Brick: PowerGlove for Macintosh
  P.O. Box N
  MIT Branch Post Office
  Cambridge, MA 02139-0903
  Tel: (617) 969-9570
  email: D2002@AppleLink.Apple.com

  VPL Research, Inc.
  EyePhone: head-mounted display
  DataGlove: glove/hand input device
  VPL Research Inc.
  950 Tower Lane
  14th Floor
  Foster City, CA 94404
  Tel: (415) 312-0200
  Fax: (415) 312-9356

  SimGraphics Engineering
  Flying Mouse: 6d input device
  1137 Huntington Rd. Suite A-1
  South Pasadena, CA 91030-4563
  (213) 255-0900

========================================================================

13. Background imagery/textures/datafiles
=========================================

 First, check in the FTP places that are mentioned in the FAQ or in the FTP
list above.

24-bit scanning:
----------------
  Get a good 24-bit scanner, like Epson's. Suggested is an SCSI port for
  speed. Eric Haines had a suggestion in RT News, Volume 4, #3 :
  scan textures for wallpapers and floor coverings, etc. from doll
  house supplies.
  So you have a rather cheap way to scan patterns that don't have
  scaling troubles associated with real materials and scanning area.

Books with textures:
--------------------
  Find some houses/books/magazines that carry photographic material.
  Educorp, 1-619-536-9999, sells CD-ROMS with various imagery - also
  a wide variety of stock art is available.
  Stock art from big-name stock art houses, such as Comstock,
  UNIPHOTO, and Metro Image Base, is available.

  In Italy, there's a company called Belvedere that makes such books
  for the purpose of clipping their pages for inclusion in your
  graphics work. Their address is:
	Edition Belvedere Co. Ltd.,
	00196 Rome Italy,
	Piazzale Flaminio, 19
	Tel. (06) 360-44-88, Fax (06)  360-29-60

Texture Libraries:
------------------
a. Mannikin Sceptre Graphics announced TexTiles, a set of 256x256 24-bit
   textures. Initial shipments in 24-bit IFF (for Amigas), soon in 24-bit
   TIFF format. Algorithmically built for tiled surfaces. SRP is $40 / volume
   (each volume = 40 images @ 10 disks). Demo disks for $5 are available.

   Contact:
   Mannikin Sceptre Graphics
   1600 Indiana Ave.
   Winter Park, FL 32789
   Phone: (407) 384-9484
   FAX: (407) 647-7242

b. ESSENCE is a library of 65 (sixty-five) new algoritmic textures for Imagine
   by Impulse, Inc. These textures are FULLY compatible with the floating point
   versions of Imagine 2.0, Imagine 1.1, and even Turbo Silver.
   Written by Steve Worley.

   For more info contact:
   Essence Info
   Apex Software Publishing
   405 El Camino Real Suite 121
   Menlo Park CA 94025 USA

[ What about Texture City ?? ]

==========================================================================

14. Introduction to rendering algorithms
========================================

a. Ray-Tracing:
---------------

  I assume you have a general understanding of Computer Graphics. No? Then read
  some of the books that the FAQ contains. For Ray-Tracing, I would
  suggest:
   An Introduction to Ray Tracing, Andrew Glassner (ed.), Academic Press
     1989, ISBN 0-12-286160-4
  Note that I have not read the book, but I feel that you can't be wrong
  using his book. An errata list was posted in comp.graphics by Eric Haines
  (erich@eye.com)

There's a more concise reference also:

  Roman Kuchkuda , UNC @ Chapel Hill: "An Introduction to Ray Tracing", in
  "Theoretical Foundations for Computer Graphics and CAD", ed. R.A.E.Earnshaw,
  NATO AS, Vol. F-40., pp. 1039-1060. Printed by Springer-Verlag, 1988.

It contains code for a small, but fundamentally complete ray-tracer.

b. Z-buffer (depth-buffer)
--------------------------

A good reference is:

        _Procedural Elements for Computer Graphics_, David F. Rogers,
        McGraw-Hill, New York, 1985, pages 265-272 and 280-284.

c. Others:
----------
???
[ More info is needed -- nfotis ]

========================================================================

15. Where can I find the geometric data for the:
================================================

a. Teapot ?
-----------

"Displays on Display" column of IEEE CG&A Jan '87 has the whole
story about origin of the Martin Newell's teapot. The article also has
the bezier patch model and a Pascal program to display the wireframe
model of the teapot.

IEEE CG&A Sep '87 in Jim Blinn's column "Jim Blinn's Corner" describes
an another way to model the teapot; Bezier curves with rotations for
example are used.

The OFF and SPD packages have these objects, so you're advised to get
them to avoid typing the data yourself.  The OFF data is triangles at
a specific resolution (around 8x8[x4 triangles] meshing per patch).
The SPD package provides the spline patch descriptions and performs a
tessellation at any specified resolution.

b. Space Shuttle ?
------------------

Tolis Lerios <tolis@nova.stanford.edu> has built a list of Space Shuttle
datafiles. Here's a summary (From his sci.space list):

model1:
A modified version of the newsgroup model (model2)

406 vertices (296 useful, i.e. referred to in the polygon descriptions.)
389 polygons (233 3-vertex, 146 4-vertex, 7 5-vertex, 3 6-vertex).
Payload doors non-existent.
Units: unknown.

Simon Marshall (S.Marshall@sequent.cc.hull.ac.uk) has a copy. He
said there is no proprietary information associated with it.

model2:
The newsgroup model, in OFF format. You can find it in

gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au , file pub/off/objects/shuttle.geo
hanauma.stanford.edu ,  /pub/graphics/Comp.graphics/objects/shuttle.data

model3:
The triangles' model.

This model is stored in several files, each defining portions of the model.

Greg Henderson (henders@infonode.ingr.com) has a copy.  He did
not mention any restriction on the model's distribution.

model4:
The NASA model.

The file starts off with a header line containing three real numbers,
defining the offsets used by Lockheed in their simulations:

<x offset> <y offset> <z offset>

From then on, the file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions

3473 vertices.
2748 polygons (407 3-vertex, 2268 4-vertex, 33 5-vertex, 14 6-vertex,
 10 7-vertex, 8 8-vertex, 8 12-vertex, 2 13-vertex, 2 15-vertex,
 17 16-vertex, 2 17-vertex, 2 18-vertex, 3 19-vertex, 8 24-vertex).
Payload doors closed.
Units: inches.

Jon Berndt (jon@l14h11.jsc.nasa.gov) seems to be responsible for the model
Proprietary info: unknown

model5:
The old shuttle model.

The file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions.

104 vertices.
452 polygons (11 3-vertex, 41 4-vertex).
Payload doors open.
Units: meters.

We have been using this model at STAR Labs, Stanford University, for
some years now. Contact me (tolis@nova.stanford.edu) or my supervisor
Scott Williams (scott@star5.stanford.edu) if you want a copy.

========================================================================

16. Image annotation software
=============================

a. Touchup runs in Sunview and is pretty good.  It reads in
  rasterfiles, but even if your image isn't normally stored
  in rasterfile format you could use screendump to make it a
  rasterfile.

b. Idraw (part of Stanford's InterViews distribution) can handle some
  image formats in addition to being a MacDraw like tool.  I'm not
  sure exactly what they are.
  You can ftp the idraw's binary from interviews.stanford.edu.

c. Tgif is another MacDraw like tool that can handle X11 bitmap (xbm)
  and X11 pixmap (xpm) formats.  If the image you have is in formats
  other than xbm or xpm, you can get the pbmplus toolkit to convert
  things like gif or even some Macintosh formats to xpm.
  Tgif's sources are available in the pub directory on cs.ucla.edu
  (Version 2.12 of tgif at patchlevel 7 plus patch8 and patch9)

d. Use the editimage facility of KHOROS (see below).
  This is just one utility in the overall system- you can essentially do all
  your image processing and macdraw-type graphics using this package.

e. You might be able to get by with PBMPlus.  pbmtext gives you text output
  bitmaps which can be overlaid on top of your image.

f. 'ice' requires Sun hardware running OpenWindows 3.It's a PostScript-based
  graphical editor,and it's available for anonymous ftp from Internet host
  eo.soest.hawaii.edu (128.171.151.12). Requires Sun C++ 2.0 and
  two other locally developed packages, the LXT library (an Xlib-based
  toolkit) and a small C++ class library. All files (pub/ice.tar.Z,
  pub/lxt.tar.Z and pub/ldgoc++.tar.Z) are available in compressed
  tar format. pub/ice.tar.Z contains a README that gives installation
  instructions, as well as an extensive man page (ice.1).
  A statically-linked compressed executable pub/ice-sun4.Z for
  SPARC systems is also available for ftp.

  All software is the property of Columbia University and may not
  be redistributed without permission.

  ice means Image Composition Environment and it's an imaging tool that
  allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of
  PostScript annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging
  routines and NeWS PostScript rasterizing.

g. Use ImageMagick to annotate an image from your X server.  Pick the
  position of your text with the cursor and choose your font and pen
  color from a pull-down menu.  ImageMagick can read and write many
  of the more popular image formats.  ImageMagick is available as
  export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z or at your nearest
  X11 archive.

========================================================================

17. Scientific visualization stuff
==================================

X Data Slice (xds)
-------------------
  Bundled with the X11 distribution from MIT,
  in the contrib directory. Available at ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.20.50]
  (either as a source or binaries for various platforms).

National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) Tool Suite
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Platforms: Unix Workstations (DEC, IBM, SGI, Sun)
           Apple MacIntosh
           Cray supercomputers

Availability: Now available.  Source code in the public domain.
              FTP from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.

Contact: National Center for Supercomputing Applications
         Computing Applications Building
         605 E. Springfield Ave.
         Champaign, IL 61820

Cost: Free (zero dollars).

The suite includes tools for 2D image and 3D scene analysis and visualization.
The code is actively maintained and updated.

Spyglass
--------
  They sell commercial versions of the NCSA tools. Examples are:

	Spyglass Dicer (3D volumetric data analysis package)
		Platform: Mac

	Spyglass Transform (2D data analysis package)
		Platforms: Mac, SGI, Sun, DEC, HP, IBM

  Contact:
  Spyglass, Inc.
  P.O. Box 6388
  Champaign, IL  61826
  (217) 355-6000

KHOROS 1.0 Patch 5
------------------
  Available via anonymous ftp at pprg.eece.unm.edu (129.24.24.10).
  cd to /pub/khoros to see what is available. It is HUGE (> 100 MB), but good.
  Needs Unix and X11R4. Freely copied (NOT PD), complete with sources
  and docs. Very extensive and at its heart is visual programming.
  Khoros components include a visual programming language, code
  generators for extending the visual language and adding new application
  packages to the system, an interactive user interface editor, an
  interactive image display package, an extensive library of image and
  signal processing routines, and 2D/3D plotting packages.

  See comp.soft-sys.khoros on Usenet and the relative FAQ for more info....

  Contact:

  The Khoros Group
  Room 110 EECE Dept.
  University of New Mexico
  Albuquerque, NM 87131

  Email: khoros-request@chama.eece.unm.edu

MacPhase
--------
  Analysis & Visualization Application for the Macintosh.
  Operates on 1D and 2D data arrays. Import/Export several different file
  formats.  Several different plotting options such as gray scale,
  color raster, 3D Wire frame, 3D surface, contour, vector, line, and
  combinations.  FFTs, filtering, and other math functions, color look up
  editor, array calculator, etc. Shareware, available via anonymous ftp from
  sumex-aim.stanford.edu in the info-mac/app directory.
  For other information contact Doug Norton (e-mail: 74017.461@@compuserve.com)

IRIS Explorer
-------------
  It's an application creation system developed by Silicon
  Graphics that provides visualisation and analysis functionality for
  computational scientists, engineers and other scientists. The Explorer
  GUI allows users to build custom applications without having to write
  any, or a minimal amount of, traditonal code. Also, existing code can
  be easily integrated into the Explorer environment. Explorer currently
  is available now on SGI and Cray machines, but will become available on
  other platforms in time. [ Bundled with every new SGI machine, as far as
  I know]

  See comp.graphics.explorer or comp.sys.sgi for discussion of the package.

  There are also two FTP servers for related stuff, modules etc.:

  ftp.epcc.ed.ac.uk [129.215.56.29]
  swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.54.33] - mirror of the UK site

apE
---
  Back in the 'old good days', you could get apE for nearly free.
  Now has gone commercial and the following vendor supplies it:

  TaraVisual Corporation
  929 Harrison Avenue
  Columbus, Ohio 43215
  Tel: 1-800-458-8731 and (614) 291-2912
  Fax: (614) 291-2867

        Cost:
  $895 (plus tax); runtime version with a site-license for a single user
  (at a time), no limit on the number of machines in a cluster.
  $895 includes support/maintenance and upgrades.
  Source code more.  Additional user licenses $360.

  The name of the package has become apE III (TM).
  Khoros is very similar to apE on philosophy, as are AVS and Explorer.

AVS
---
See also:
        comp.graphics.avs

Platforms: CONVEX, CRAY, DEC, Evans & Sutherland, HP, IBM, Kubota,
Set Technologies, SGI, Stardent, SUN, Wavetracer
Availability: AVS4 available on all the above:
  For all UNIX workstations.

Contact:
  Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
  300 Fifth Ave.
  Waltham, MA    02154

  (617)-890-4300   Telephone
  (617)-890-8287   Fax
  avs@avs.com      Email

  Advanced Visual Systems Inc. for: CRAY, HP, IBM, SGI, Stardent, SUN
  CONVEX for CONVEX
  Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or CRAY for CRAY
  DEC for DEC
  Evans & Sutherland for Evans & Sutherland
  Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or IBM for IBM
  Kubota Pacific Inc. for Kubota
  Set Technologies for Set Technologies
  Wavetracer for Wavetracer

  FTP Site: for modules, data sets, other info:
	avs.ncsc.org (128.109.178.23)

WIT
---
  In a nutshell it's a package of the same genre as AVS,Explorer,etc.
  It seems more a image processing system than a generic SciVi system (IMHO)
  Major elements are:

  - a visual programming language, which automatically exploits the inherent
        parallelism
  - a code generator which converts the graph to a standalone program

  Iconified libraries present a rich set of point, filter, io, transform,
  morphological, segmentation, and measurement operations.
  A flow library allows graphs to employ broadcast, merge,
  synchronization, conditional, and sequencing control strategies.

  WIT delivers an object-oriented, distributed, visual programming
  environment which allows users to rapidly design solutions to their
  imaging problems. Users can consolidate both software and hardware
  developments within a complete CAD-like workspace by adding their
  own operators (C functions), objects (data structures), and servers
  (specialized hardware). WIT runs on Sun, HP9000/7xx, SGI and supports
  Datacube MV-20/200 hardware allowing you to run your graphs in real-time.

  For a free WIT demo disk, call, FAX, or e-mail (poon@ee.ubc.ca)
  us stating your complete name, address, voice, FAX, e-mail info.
  and desired platform.

  Pricing: WIT for Sparc, one yr. free upgrades, 30 days
  technical support....................$5000 US

  Academic institutions: discounts available

  Contact:
  Logical Vision Ltd.
  Suite 108-3700 Gilmore Way
  Burnaby, B.C., CANADA
  V5G 4M1
  Tel: 604-435-2587
  Fax: 604-435-8840

  Terry Arden <poon@ee.ubc.ca>

VIS-5D
------
  A system for visually exploring the output of 5-D gridded data sets
  such as those made by weather models. Platforms:

    SGI IRIS with VGX, GTX, TG, or G graphics,
    SGI Crimson or Indigo (R4000, Elan graphics suggested), IRIX 4.0.x
    IBM RS/6000 with GL graphics, AIX version 3 or later;
    Stardent GS-1000 and GS-2000 (with TrueColor display)

  In any case, 32 (or more) MB of RAM are suggested.

  You can get it freely (thanks to NASA support) via anonymous ftp:

 ftp iris.ssec.wisc.edu  (or ftp 144.92.108.63), then

  ftp> cd pub/vis5d
  ftp> ascii
  ftp> get README
  ftp> bye

 NOTE: You can find the package also on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the
 graphics/graphics/packages directory.

  Read section 2 of the README file for full instructions
  on how to get and install VIS-5D.

  Contact:
  Bill Hibbard (whibbard@vms.macc.wisc.edu)
  Brian Paul (bpaul@vms.macc.wisc.edu)

DATAexplorer (IBM)
------------------
  Platforms : IBM Risc System 6000, IBM POWER Visualization Server
        (SIMD mesh 32 i860s, 40 MHz)

  Working on (announced) : SGI, HP, Sun

  Contact:
  Your local IBM Rep.  For a trial package ask your rep to contact :

  David Kilgore
  Data Explorer Product Marketing
  YKTVMH(KILCORE), (708) 981-4510

Wavefront
---------
  Data Visualizer, Personal Visualizer, Advanced Visualizer.
  Platforms: SGI, SUN, IBM RS6000, HP, DEC

  Availability:
    Available on all the above platforms from Wavefront
    Technologies.  Educational programs and site licenses are
    available.

  Contacts:
    Mike Wilson (mike@wti.com)

    Wavefront Technologies, Inc.
    530 East Montecito Street
    Santa Barbara, CA 93103
    805-962-8117
    FAX: 805-963-0410

    Wavefront Europe
    Guldenspoorstraat 21-23
    B-9000 Gent, Belgium
    32-91-25-45-55
    FAX: 32-91-23-44-56

    Wavefront Technologies Japan
    17F Shinjuku-sumitomo Bldg
    2-6-1  Nishi-shinjuku, Shunjuku-Ku
    Tokyo 168 Japan
    81-3-3342-7330
   FAX 81-3-3342-7353

PLOT3D and FAST from NASA Ames
------------------------------
  These packages are distributed from COSMIC at least
  (for FAST ask Pat Elson <pelson@nas.nasa.gov> for
  distribution information). In general, these codes are for US
  citizens only :-(

XGRAPH
------
  On the contrib tape of X11R5. Its specialty is display of up
  to 64 data sets (2D).

NCAR
----
  National Center for Atmospheric Research. One of the original graphics
  packages. Runs on Sun, RS6000, SGI, VAX, Cray Y-MP, DecStations, and more.

  Contact:
	Graphics Information
	NCAR Scientific Computing Division
	P.O. Box 3000
	Boulder, CO   80307-3000
	(303)-497-1201
	scdinfo@ncar.ucar.edu

  Cost:
	.edu
	$750 Unlimited users

	.gov
	$750 1 user
	$1500 5 users
	$3000 25 users

	.com users multiply .gov * 2.0

IDL
---
  An environment for scientific computing and visualization.
  Based on an array oriented language, IDL includes 2D and 3D
  graphics, matrix manupulation, signal and image processing,
  basic statistics, gridding, mapping, and a widget based system
  for building GUI for IDL applications (Open Look, Motif, or
  MS-Windows).

  Environments:  DEC (VMS and Ultrix), HP, IBM RS6000, SGI, Sun,
          Microsoft Windows.  (Mac version in progress)
  Cost:  $1500 to $3750, Educational and quantity discounts
          available.
  See also:   comp.lang.idl-pvwave (the IDL-PVWAVE bundle)
  Contact:    Research Systems Inc.
              777 29th Street, Suite 302
              Boulder, CO  80303
              Phone:  303-786-9900
              FAX:    303-786-9909
              E-mail: info@rsinc.com
  Demo available via FTP.  Call or E-mail for details.

IDL/SIPS
--------
  "A lot of people are using IDL with a package called SIPS. This was
  developed at the University of Colorado (Boulder) by some people working
  for Alex Goetz.  You might try contacting them if you already have IDL
  or would be willing to buy it.  It's a few thousand dollars (American) I
  expect for IDL and the other should be free.  Those are the general
  purpose packages I've heard of, besides what TerraMar has.
  SIPS _was_ written for AVIRIS imagery.  I'm not sure how general purpose
  it is.  You would have to contact Goetz or one of his people and ask.  I
  have another piece of software (PCW) that does PC and Walsh
  transformations with pseudocoloring and clustering and limited image
  modification (you can compute an image using selected components).  I've
  used it on 70 megabyte AVIRIS images without problems, but for the best
  speed you need an external DSP card.  It will work without it, but large
  images take quite a while (50-70 times as long) to process.  That's a
  freebie if you want it"

  "My  favorite is IDL (Interactive Data Language) from Research Systems,
  Inc.  IDL is in my opinion, much better and infinitely easier. Its
  programming language is very strong and easy -- very Pascal-like. It
  handles the number-crunching very well, also. Personally, I like doing
  the number-crunching with IDL on the VAX (or Mathematica, Igor, or even
  Excel on the Mac if it's not too hairy), then bringing it over to NIH
  Image for the imaging part. I have yet to encounter any situation which
  that combination couldn't handle, and the speed and ease of use
  (compared to IRAF) was incredible. By the way, it's mostly astronomical
  image processing which I've been doing. This means image enhancement,
  cleaning up bad lines/pixels, and some other traditional image
  processing routines. Then, for example, taking a graph of intensity
  versus position along a line I choose with the mouse, then doing a curve
  fit to that line (which I might do like in KaleidaGraph.) "

[ For IDL call Research Systems , for PV-WAVE call Precision Visuals and
 for SIPS call University of Colorado @ Boulder . From what I can
 understand, you can get packaged programs from Research Systems, though
 -- nfotis ]

Visual3
-------
  contact Robert Haimes, MIT

FieldView
---------
 An interactive program designed to assist an engineer in
 investigating fluid dynamics data sets.

 Platforms:  SGI, IBM, HP, SUN, X-terminals

 Availability:  Currently available on all of the above
       platforms.  Educational programs and volume
       discounts are available.

 Contact:

 Intelligent Light
 P.O. Box 65
 Fair Lawn, NJ 07410
 (201)794-7550

 Steve Kramer (kramer@ilight.com)

SciAn
------
  SciAn is primarily intended to do 3-D visualizations of data in an
  interactive environment with the ability to generate animations using
  frame-accurate video recording devices.  A user manual, on-line help, and
  technical notes will help you use the program.

  Cost : 0 (Free), source code provided via ftp.
  Platforms : SGI 4D machines and IBM RS/6000 with the GL card + Z-buffer

  Where to find it:
  ftp.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.128.34] : /pub/SciAn
	A mirror is monu1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.101] : /pub/SciAn

SCRY
----
[ From the README : ]

      Scry is a distributed image handling system  that  pro-
 vides image transport and compression on local and wide area
 networks, image viewing on workstations, recording on  video
 equipment,  and  storage on disk.  The system can be distri-
 buted among workstations, between supercomputers and  works-
 tations,  and between supercomputers, workstations and video
 animation controllers.  The system is most commonly used  to
 produce  video based movie displays of images resulting from
 visualization of time dependent data, complex 3D data  sets,
 and  image  processing  operations.   Both  the  clients and
 servers run on a variety of systems that provide UNIX-like C
 run-time environments, and 4BSD sockets.

 The source is available for anonymous ftp:

 csam.lbl.gov [128.3.254.6] : pub/scry.tar.Z

 Contact:

 Bill Johnston, (wejohnston@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!johnston)

       or

 David Robertson (dwrobertson@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!davidr)

 Imaging Technologies Group
 MS 50B/2239
 Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
 1 Cyclotron Road
 Berkeley, CA  94720

SVLIB / FVS
-----------
  SVLIB is an X-Windows widget set based on the OSF (Open Software
  Foundation) Motif widget set. SVLIB widgets are macro-widgets
  comprising lower level Motif widgets such as buttons, scrollbars,
  menus, and drawing areas. It is designed to address the reusability
  of 2D visualization routines and each widget in the library is an
  encapsulation of a specific visualization technique such as colormap
  manipulation, image display, and contour plotting. It is targetted
  to run on UNIX workstations supporting OSF/Motif. Currently, only
  color monitors are supported. Since SVLIB is a collection of widgets
  developed in the same spirit as the OSF/Motif user interface widget
  set, it integrates seamlessly with the Motif widgets. Programmers
  using SVLIB widgets see the same interface and design as other
  Motif widgets.

  FVS is a visualization software for Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD)
  simulations.  FVS is designed to accept data generated from these
  simulations and apply various visualization techniques to present these
  data graphically.
  FVS accepts three-dimensional multi-block data recorded in NCSA HDF format.

 iti.gov.sg [192.122.132.130] : /pub/svlib (Scientific Visualization)
      /pu/fvs; These directories contain demo binaries for Sun4/SGI

  Cost : US$200 for academic and US$300 for non-academic institutions.
  (For each of the above items). You're getting the source for the licence.

  Contact
  -------
  Miss Quek Lee Hian
  Member of Technical Staff
  Information Technology Institute
  National Computer Board
  NCB Building
  71, Sicence Park Drive
  Singapore 0511
  Republic of Singapore
  Tel : (65)7720435
  Fax : (65)7795966
  Email : leehian@iti.gov.sg

---------------------------------------------------------
GVLware Distribution:
        Bob  - An interactive volume renderer for the SGI
        Raz  - A disk based movie player for the SGI
        Icol - Motif color editor
---------------------------------------------------------

The Army High Performance Computing Research Center (AHPCRC) has been
developing a set of tools to work with large time dependent 2D and 3D
data sets.  In the Graphics and Visualization Lab (GVL) we are using
these tools along side standard packages, such as SGI Explorer and the
Utah Raster Toolkit, to render 3D volumes and create digital movies.
A couple of the more general purpose programs have been bundled into a
package called "GVLware".

GVLware, currently consisting of Bob, Raz and Icol, is now available
via ftp.  The most interesting program is probably Bob, an interactive
volume renderer for the SGI.  Raz streams raster images from disk to
an SGI screen, enabling movies larger than memory to be played.  Icol
is a color map editor that works with Bob and Raz.  Source and
pre-built binaries for IRIX 4.0.5 are included.

To acquire GVLware, anonymous ftp to:
        machine - ftp.arc.umn.edu
        file    - /pub/gvl.tar.Z

To use GVLware:
        mkdir gvl ; cd gvl
        zcat gvl.tar.Z | tar xvf -
        more README

Some Bob features:
        Motif interface, SGI GL rendering
        Renders 64 cubed data set in 0.1 to 1.0 seconds on a VGX
        Alpha Compositing and Maximum Value rendering, in perspective
            (only Maximum Value rendering on Personal Iris)
        Data must be a "Brick of Bytes", on a regularly spaced grid
        Animation, subvolumes, subsampling, stereo

Some Raz features:
        Motif interface, SGI GL rendering
        Loads files to a raw disk partition, then streams to screen
            (requires an empty disk partition to be set aside)
        Script interface available for movie sequences
        Can stream from memory, like NCSA XImage

Some Icol features:
        Motif interface
        Easy to create interpolated color maps between key points
        RGB, HSV and YUV color spaces, multiple file formats
        Communicates changes automatically to Bob and Raz
        Has been tested on SGI, Sun, DEC and Cray systems

BTW:    Bob  == Brick of Bytes
        Icol == Interpolated Color
        Raz  == ? (just a name)

Please send any comments to
        gvlware@ahpcrc.umn.edu

This software collection is supported by the Army Research Office
contract number DAALO3-89-C-0038 with the University of Minnesota Army
High Performance Computing Research Center.

IAP
---
  Imaging Applications Platform is a commercial package for medical and
  scientific visualization. It does volume rendering, binary surface
  rendering, multiplanar reformating, image manipulation, cine sequencing,
  intermixes geometry and text with images and provides measurement and
  coordinate transform abilities.

  It can provide hardcopy on most medical film printers, image database
  functionality and interconnection to most medical (CT/MRI/etc) scanners.

  It is client/server based and provides an object oriented interface. It
  runs on most high performance workstations and takes full advantage of
  parallelism where it is available. It is robust, efficient and
  will be submitted for FDA approval for use in medical applications.

  Cost: $20K for OEM developer, $10K for educational developer
  and run times starting at $8900 and going down based on quantity.

  The developer packages include two days training for two people in Toronto.

  Available from:

  ISG Technologies
  6509 Airport Road
  Mississauga, Ontario,
  Canada, L4V-1S7

  (416) 672-2100
  e-mail: Rod Gilchrist <rod@isgtec.com>

========================================================================

18. Molecular visualization stuff
=================================

[ Based on a list from cristy@dupont.com < Cristy > , which asked for
 systems for displaying Molecular Dynamics, MD for short ]

Flex
----
  It is a public domain package written by Michael Pique, at The Scripps
  Research Institute, La Jolla, CA. Flex is stored as a compressed,
  tar'ed archive (about 3.4MB) at perutz.scripps.edu [137.131.152.27], in
  pub/flex. It displays molecular models and MD trajectories.

MacMolecule
-----------
  (for Macintosh). I searched with Archie, and the most
  promising place is sumex-aim.stanford.edu (info-mac/app, and
  info-mac/art/qt for a demo)

MD-DISPLAY
----------
  Runs on SGI machines. Call Terry Lybrand (lybrand@milton.u.washington.edu).

XtalView
--------
  It is a crystallography package that does visualize molecules and much more.
  It uses the XView toolkit.
  Call Duncan McRee <dem@scripps.edu>

landman@hal.physics.wayne.edu:
-----------------------------
  I am writing my own visualization code right now.  I look at MD output
  (a specific format, easy to alter for the subroutine) on PC's.  My
  program has hooks into GKS.  If your friend has access to Phigs for X
  (PEX) and fortran bindings, I would be happy to share my evolving code
  (free of charge).  Right now it can display supercells of up to 65
  atoms (easy to change), and up to 100 time steps, drawing nearest
  neighbor bonds between 2 defining nn radii.  It works acceptably fast
  on a 10Mhz 286.

icsg0001@caesar.cs.montana.edu:
------------------------------
  I did a project on Molecular Visualization for my Master's Thesis, using
  UNIX/X11/Motif which generates a simple point and space-filling model.

KGNGRAF
-------

KGNGRAF is part of MOTECC-91. Look on malena.crs4.it (156.148.7.12),
in pub/motecc.

motecc.info.txt          Information about MOTECC-91 in plain ascii format.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
motecc.info.troff        Information about MOTECC-91 in troff format.
motecc.form.troff        MOTECC-91 order form in troff format.
motecc.license.troff     MOTECC-91 license agreement in troff format.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
motecc.info.ps           Information about MOTECC-91 in PostScript format.
motecc.form.ps           MOTECC-91 order form in PostScript format.
motecc.license.ps        MOTECC-91 license agreement in PostScript format.

ditolla@itnsg1.cineca.it:
------------------------
  I'm working on molecular dynamic too.  A friend of mine and I have

  developed a program to display an MD run dynamically on Silicon
  Graphics.  We are working to improve it, but it doesn't work under X,
  we are using the graphi. lib. of the Silicon Gr. because they are much
  faster then X.  When we'll end it we'll post on the news info about
  where to get it with ftp. (Will be free software).

XBall V2.0
----------
  Written by David Nedde. Call daven@maxine.wpi.edu.

XMol
----
  An X Window System program that uses OSF/Motif  for  the
  display and  analysis  of  molecular  model data.  Data from several
  common file formats can be read and written; current formats include:
  Alchemy, CHEMLAB-II, Gaussian, MOLSIM, MOPAC, PDB, and MSCI's XYZ
  format (which has been designed  for  simplicity  in  translating to
  and from other formats). XMol also allows for conversion between
  several of these formats.
  Xmol is available at ftp.msc.edu. Read pub/xmol/README for
  further details.

INSIGHT II
----------
  from BIOSYM Technologies Inc.

SCARECROW
---------
  The program has been published in J. Molecular Graphics 10
  (1992) 33. The program can analyze and display CHARMM, DISCOVER, YASP
  and MUMOD trajectories. The program package contains also software for
  the generation of probe surfaces, proton affinity
  surfaces and molecular orbitals from an extended Huckel program.
  It works on Silicon Graphics machines.
  Contact Leif Laaksonen <Leif.Laaksonen@csc.fi or laaksone@csc.fi>

MULTI
-----
ns.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.8.8] : /pub - MULTI 3.0 (Multi-Process
		Molecular Modeling Suite)

MindTool
--------
  It runs under SunView, and requires a fortran compiler and Sun's CGI
  libraries. MindTool is a tool  provided  for  the  interactive  graphic
  manipulation  of  molecules  and  atoms. Currently, up to 10,000
  atoms may be input.
  Available via anonymous FTP, at rani.chem.yale.edu, directory
  /pub/MindTool ( Check with Archie for other  sites if that's too far )

[ I would also suggest looking at least in SGI's Applications Directory.
 It contains many more packages - nfotis ]

===========================================================================

19. GIS (Geographical Information Systems software)
===================================================

GRASS
-----
  (Geographic Resource Analysis Support System) of the US Army
  Construction Engineering Research Lab (CERL). It is a popular geographic and
  remote sensing image processing package. Many may think of GRASS as a
  Geographic Information System rather than an Image Processing package,
  although it is reported to have significant image processing
  capabilities.

  Feature Descriptions

  I use GRASS  because it's public domain and can be obtained through the
  internet for free.  GRASS runs in Unix and is written in C.  The source
  code can be obtained through an anonymous ftp from the Office of Grass
  Integration.  You then compile the source code for your machine, using
  scripts provided with GRASS.  I would recommend GRASS for someone who
  already has a workstation and is on a limited budget. GRASS is not very
  user-friendly, compared to Macintosh software." A first review  of
  overview documentation indicates that it looks useful and has some pixel
  resampling functions not in other packages plus good general purpose
  image enhancement routines (fft). Kelly Maurice at Vexcel Corp. in
  Boulder, CO is a primary user of GRASS .  This gentleman has used the
  GRASS software and developed multi-spectral (238 bands ??) volumetric
  rendering, full color, on Suns and Stardents. It was a really effective
  interface.  Vexcel Corp. currently has a contract to map part of Venus
  and convert the Magellan radar data into contour maps. You can call them
  at (303) 444-0094 or email care of greg@vexcel.com 192.92.90.68

  Host Configuration Requirements

  If you are willing to run A/UX you could install GRASS   on a Macintosh
  which has significant image analysis and import capabilities for
  satellite data. GRASS  is public-domain, and can run on a high-end PC
  under UNIX. It is raster-based, has some image-processing capability,
  and can display vector data (but analysis must be done in the raster
  environment). I have used GRASS V.3 on a SUN workstation and found it
  easy to use. It is best, of course, for data that are well represented
  in raster (grid-cell) form.

  Availability

  CERL's Office of Grass Integration (OGI)  maintains an ftp server:
  moon.cecer.army.mil (129.229.20.254).

  Mail regarding this site should be addressed to
  grass-ftp-admin@moon.cecer.army.mil.

  This location will be the new "canonical" source for GRASS software, as
  well as bug fixes, contributed sources, documentation, and other files.
  This FTP server also supports dynamic compression and uncompression and
  "tar" archiving of files.  A feature attraction of the server is John
  Parks' GRASS tutorial.  Because the manual is still in beta-test stage,
  John requests that people only acquire it if they are willing to review
  it and mail him comments/corrections. The OGI is not currently
  maintaining this document, so all correspondence about it should be
  directed to grassx@tang.uark.edu

  Support

  Listserv mailing lists:

  grassu-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS users; application-level
  questions, support concerns, miscellaneous questions, etc) Send
  subscribe commands to grassu-request@amber.cecer.army.mil.

  grassp-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS programmers; system-level
  questions and tips, tricks, and techniques of design and implementation
  of GRASS applications) Send subscribe commands to
  grassp-request@amber.cecer.army.mil.

  Both lists are maintained by the Office of Grass Integration (subset of
  the Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Lab in
  Champaign, IL). The OGI is providing the lists as a service to the
  community; while OGI and CERL employees will participate in the lists,
  we can make no claim as to content or veracity of messages that pass
  through the list.  If you have questions, problems, or comments, send
  E-mail to lists-owner@amber.cecer.army.mil and a human will respond.

Microstation Imager
-------------------
  Intergraph (based in Huntsville Alabama) sells a wide range of GIS
  software/hardware. Microstation is a base  graphics package that Imager
  sits on top of. Imager is basically an  image processing package with a
  heavy GIS/remote sensing flavor.

  Feature Description

  Basic geometry manipulations: flip, mirror, rotate, generalized affine.
  Rectification: Affine, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th order models as well as a
  projective model (warp an image to a vector map or to another image).
  RGB to IHS and IHS to RGB conversion.  Principal component analysis.
  Classification: K-means and isodata.  Fourier Xforms: Forward, filtering
  and reverse.  Filters: High pass, low pass, edge enhancing, median,
  generic.  Complex Histogram/Contrast control.  Layer Controller: manages
  up to 64 images at a time -- user can extract single bands from a 3 band
  image or create color images by combining various individual bands, etc.

  The package is designed for a remote sensing application (it can handle
  VERY LARGE images) and there is all kinds of other software available
  for GIS applications.
  Host Configuration Requirements

  It runs on Intergraph Workstations (a Unix machine similar to a Sun)
  though there  were rumors (there are always rumors) that the software
  would be  ported to PC and possibly a Sun environment.

PCI
---
  A company called PCI, Inc., out of Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada, makes
  an array of software utilities for processing, manipulation, and use of
  remote sensing data in eight or ten different "industry standard"
  formats: LGSOWG, BSQ, LANDSAT, and a couple of others whose titles I
  forget.  The software is available in versions for MS-DOS, Unix
  workstations (among them HP, Sun, and IBM), and VMS, and quite possibly
  other platforms by now.  I use the VMS version.

  The "PCI software" consists of several classes/groups/packages of
  utilities, grouped by function but all operating on a common "PCI
  database" disk file.  The "Tape I/O" package is a set of utility
  programs which read from the various remote-sensing industry tape
  formats INTO, or write those formats out FROM, the "PCI database" file;
  this is the only package I use or know much about.  Other packages can
  display data from the PCI database to one or another of several
  PCI-supported third-party color displays, output numeric or bitmap
  representation of image data to an attached printer, e.g. an Epson-type
  dot-matrix graphics printer.  You might be more spe- cifically
  interested in the mathematical operations package: histo- gram and
  Fourier analysis, equalization, user-specified operations (e.g.
  "multiply channel 1 by 3, add channel 2, and store as channel 5"), and
  God only knows what all else -- there's a LOT.  I don't have and don't
  use these, so can't say much about them; you only buy the packages your
  particular application/interest calls for.

  Each utility is controlled by from one to eight "parameters," read from
  a common "parameter file" which must be (in VMS anyway) in your "default
  directory."  Some utilities will share parameters and use the same
  parameter for a different purpose, so it can get a bit confusing setting
  up a series of operations.  The standard PCI environment contains a
  scripting language very similar to IBM-PC BASIC, but which allows you to
  automate the process of setting up parameters for a common, complicated,
  lengthy or difficult series of utility executions.  (In VMS I can also
  invoke utilities independently from a DCL command procedure.)  There's
  also an optional programming library which allows you to write compiled
  language programs which can interface with (read from/write to) the PCI
  data structures (database file, parameter file).

  The PCI software is designed specifically for remote-sensing images, but
  requires such a level of operator expertise that, once you reach the
  level where you can handle r-s images, you can figure out ways to handle
  a few other things as well.  For instance, the Tape I/O package offers a
  utility for reading headerless multi-band (what Adobe PhotoShop on the
  Macintosh calls "raw") data from tape, in a number of different
  "interleave" orders. This turns out to be ideal for manipulating the
  graphic-arts industry's "CT2T" format, would probably (I haven't tried)
  handle Targa, and so on. Above all, however, you HAVE TO KNOW WHAT
  YOU'RE DOING or you can screw up to the Nth degree and have to start
  over.  It's worth noting that the PCI "database" file is designed to
  contain not only "raster" (image) data, but vectors (for overlaying map
  information entered via digitizing table), land-use, and all manner of
  other information (I observe that a remote-sensing image tape often
  contains all manner of information about the spectral bands, latitude,
  longitude, time, date, etc. of the original satellite pass; all of this
  can go into the PCI "database").

  I _believe_ that on workstations the built-in display is used.  On VAX
  systems OTHER than workstations PCI supports only a couple of specific
  third-party display systems (the name Gould/Deanza seems to come to
  mind).  One of MY personal workarounds was a display program which would
  display directly from a PCI "database" file to a Peritek VCT-Q (Q-bus
  24-bit DirectColor) display subsystem.  PCI software COULD be "overkill"
  in your case; it seems designed for the very "high end"
  applications/users, i.e. those for whom a Mac/PC largely doesn't suffice
  (although as you know the gap is getting smaller all the time).  It's
  probably no coincidence that PCI is located in Canada, a country which
  does a LOT of its land/resource management via remote sensing; I believe
  the Canadian government uses PCI software for some of its work in these
  areas.

SPAM (Spectral Analysis Manager)
--------------------------------
  Back in 1985 JPL developed something called SPAM (Spectral Analysis
  Manager) which got a fair amount of use at the time.  That was designed
  for Airborne Imaging Spectrometer imagery (byte data, <= 256 pixels
  across by <= 512 lines by <= 256 bands); a modified version has since
  been developed for AVIRIS (Airborne VIsual and InfraRed Imaging
  Spectrometer) which uses much larger images.

  Spam does none of these things (rectification, classification, PC and
  IHS transformations, filtering, contrast enhancement, overlays).
  Actually, it does limited filtering and contrast enhancement
  (stretching).  Spam is aimed at spectral identification and clustering.

  The original Spam uses X or SunView to display.  The AVIRIS version may
  require VICAR, an executive based on TAE, and may also require a frame
  buffer.  I can refer you to people if you're interested.  PCW requires X
  for display.

MAP II
------
  Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II is distributed by John Wiley.

CLRview
-------
  CLRview is a 3-dimensional visualization program designed to exploit
  the real-time capabilities of Silicon Graphics IRIS computers.

  This program is designed to provide a core set of tools to aid in the
  visualization of information from CAD and GIS sources.  It supports
  the integration of many common but disperate data sources such as DXF,
  TIN, DEM, Lattices, and Arc/Info Coverages among others.

  CLRview can be obtained from explorer.dgp.utoronto.ca (128.100.1.129)
  in the directory pub/sgi/clrview.

  Contact:
  Rodney Hoinkes
  Head of Design Applications
  Centre for Landscape Research
  University of Toronto
  Tel:   (416) 978-7197
  Email: rodney@dgp.utoronto.ca

==========================================================================

End of Resource Listing


BULLSHIT ! ! !


If you paid $19.95 for a CD, you're a fool and you got ripped off.


Yes, you can use a stream cipher chip to hash data with only slight
modification. See:

`A fast cryptographic checksum algorithm based on stream ciphers', X Lai,
RA Rueppel, J Woolven, Auscrypt 92 pp 8-7 to 8-11.


Is there a way to use the mouse when running a DOS app (windowed) in
win 3.1?  When you window a dos apps (in enhanced mode), I can see
where the mouse cursor was, but it doesn't work!  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you


The FBI says that some of the survivors claim to have seen the leaders
of the cult talking about setting a fire, and to have smelt kerosene.
I assume this will come out at any trial that occurs as a result
of these events.


Anas Omran...

@>	But since all Jews that way, they find him a leader to follow!


The 50 MHz external bus speed provides a hell for cache designs. Most
of the DX-50 boards have too slow caches that make them effectively
DX2-50:s. Also as someone else pointed out, local bus boards are
better off at 33 MHz bus speed. The 8k internal cache allows the
DX2-66 to be generally faster anyway.


  The goalie to whom you refer is Clint Malarchuk.  He was at
that time playing with the Sabres.  His team immediately prior
to that was the Washington Capitals.  While he did recover and
continue to play, I do not know his present whereabouts.


"Society" is impossible without some shared set of moralities, sense
of what is "god" and what is "bad" action and basic foundation of
something "universal".


	Heay bud, get a life in the real world.... Do you still play with your Atari
with the paddles? Geez man,  open your eyes on the technoledgy of today...

I have been quoted a price from a local dealer friend of mine, that I could get a
Motherboard (386DX/33 with 64K cache, with 1 meg base ram.) for $285 !!

	Here is some friendly advice, go to your favorite book store (Walden Book's)
and pick up a Computer Shoppers Guide...

	You think that was aa good price wait till you see some of the OTHER goodies they sell


) From: coates@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jeffery David Coates)
) Subject: TEST
) Date: 23 Apr 1993 21:09:29 GMT
) Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
)
)
)
) Test
)
Failed


STOP IT!!!! ENOUGH!!! I'm out of there!  I mean, I'm a relatively sane person.
God knows I'm weak and will forgive me.  But I'm not stupid enough to stay in
this place any longer.  I WANT OUT!!!

Yeah, and at least one person ran back in. SOunds like a personal choice to me.
Religious fanaticsm, and a beleive that dying in the 'defense' of your beliefs,
is probably at the core of what happened in Waco. We in the west tend to
disregard fanaticsm of the type displayed by many Moslem fundamentalist groups
who see nothing wrong with dying for their beliefs/convictions. I suspect that
this same type of fanaticsm was displayed by the BDs. BUt we'll probably never
know...


	Calling Bill Gates, calling Bill Gates....

-Jason


You're right, it is HAPP Controls, Inc., but you can buy direct from them.  I
don't have a phone number with me, but anyone interested in it can email me for
it.  I don't remember their button price, but the joystick price was $8.95
per dozen at last check.  Should be slightly higher for one or two, but cheaper
than Parts Express.  As for the trackballs, i don't know the new price either.
But I can sell you rebuilt arcade trackballs for $50.  That includes new rollers
and new bearings (when nec.).  I also have a pile of used joysticks and buttons
that i would be willing to sell.  Please email to address below if interested.

--Donnie


I purchased one personal computer and three for business from them. No
problems. The only time I called tech support was for a minor question
about a video driver and I had no problem getting through.

All four machines seem to be high quality and well made.  A 486dx50 EISA
machine has been our network file server running 24 hrs per day since last
summer with no problems.

I hope this is helpful.


I'm interested in obtaining the highest possible image capture in a
MS-Windows application. The resulting image must go to print and high resolution
is the name of the game. I'm familiar with (and unhappy with) composite video
capture technology. What kind of resolution can I get out of an SVHS signal?
What about RGB (and who makes RGB cameras)? Does anyone have any experience
with digital cameras?

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

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Lehman Brothers                 | INET:    wbrand@lehman.com
388 Greenwich St.               | Voice:   (212) 464-3835
New York, N.Y. 10013            |


I am using an ibm dx-50 with EISA and local bus....and I need to get a
local bus video card....

The only hitch is that I need one that will allow me to do the fastest
anims (or flics) from ram. I have 64-megs of ram in 16-meg simms

I am using 3D-Studio from Autodesk and Imagine from Impulse...
They both write out in the .FLC format....

So does anyone know what would be the best card for showing fast anims
from ram.... ie. like the orchid, Diamond Stealth Viper, ATI....etc

any help would be appreciated.... ( I am trying to circumvent the single-
frame route)


Ok It is for a game that is 3d and you have listed the characteristics
that you are looking for. I think you may have left out a few
important parameters.
The polygons are all convex.
They have less than N sides. (you are drawing meshes walls doors etc.)

I believe that the algorithms you can get that will only draw convex
polygons can be much more efficient than those that can draw
concave / self intersecting polygons.
This efficiency can largely be attributed to the fact that
simple convex polygons only have a left and a right edge on each scan line.
Complex (figure 8 type polygons) can be a bit trickier.

The less than N sides specification especially if it is a very small
number like 3 or 4 allow othe optimisations to be made.

Thus for a high speed game application I think you are looking for
code that exploits and is hence limited to drawing simple convex
polygons.

It may have been that they were very general purpose algorithms.
If you limit yourself to 3 or four sided simple convex polygons
I think you might be suprised how fast a c algorithm with a
asm block move to fill each scan line might actually be.


I guess you need to be reminded of some things!  Have you ever heard of the
First Amendment?  I guess not.  It isn't a crime to be a religous (I know
you said "sacraligious", but it isn't your place to judge his religion)
zealot in this country.  REMEMBER we have freedom of religion in this country!
I guess you are selective in that respect!  So what if they were "bastard"
children.  They were CHILDREN!  Do you condone their deaths?  I pray for
your lack of a soul if you do!


Could anyone tell me the format of GIF files.  I would like to know how I
could determine the size of the picture.  Also, are gif files in compressed
format?  How many bits store pixel color information?

(This is probally a simple question, but I couldn't find it in the FAQ.)

email responses would be perferred


: Has anyone else experienced anything like this?  If this just means that I
: need to replace the screen then I guess I'll have to but I thought that the
: "death" of my LCD screen would be a little less dramatic when it eventually
: happened.  I didn't want to take it in to be repaired before I asked on the
: net about this because I already know what they'll say: "Yep, you gotta have
: this replaced and it's gonna cost you $???."

: I've only had the computer for about 21 months.

"Only"?!?  That's a long time! (echoing above posting)  The way the market
is going nowadays, your machine's obsolete two weeks before you buy it.
Sounds like you'll have to sink *some* money into it for repair, but
that's sometimes necessary for equipment.

: Is that a reasonable life
: cycle for a LCD display?

I think 21 months with nothing wrong until now is quite reasonable.  If
you had bought a Compaq or Toshiba, you might have reasonably expected the
machine to last longer before something went wrong; but that's a moot
point, perhaps.

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berkeley, california              /\               trevor@well.sf.ca.us


[SB] Oh yeah, Israel was really ready to "expand its borders" on the holiest day
[SB] of the year (Yom Kippur) when the Arabs attacked in 1973.  Oh wait, you
[SB] chose to omit that war...perhaps because it 100% supports the exact
[SB] OPPOSITE to the point you are trying to make?  I don't think that it's
[SB] because it was the war that hit Israel the hardest.  Also, in 1967 it was
[SB] Egypt, not Israel who kicked out the UN force.  In 1948 it was the Arabs
[SB] who refused to accept the existance of Israel BASED ON THE BORDERS SET
[SB] BY THE UNITED NATIONS.  In 1956, Egypt closed off the Red Sea to Israeli
[SB] shipping, a clear antagonistic act.  And in 1982 the attack was a response
[SB] to years of constant shelling by terrorist organizations from the Golan
							     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[SB] Heights. Children were being murdered all the time by terrorists and Israel
^^^^^^^^^^^^
[SB] finally retaliated.  Nowhere do I see a war that Israel started so that
[SB] the borders could be expanded.

I agree with all you write except that Terrorist orgs. were not shelling
Israel from the Golan Heights in 1982, but rather from Lebanon. The Golan
Heights have been held by Israel since 1967, and therefore the PLO could
not have been shelling Israel from there, unless there is something I am
not aware of.

Tsiel


Does anyone truely understand the "INVALID NORMAL ARRAY" error 3ds gives
you while rendering?  It seems to present itself while rendering
complicated images.  I have circumvented this problem by rendering at
the command line, however it would be nice to render inside the editor.
Is this a memory problem???


I saw a printed up flyer that stated the person was a
"licensed herbologist and iridologist"
What are your opinions?
How much can you tell about a person's health by looking into their eyes?


I've installed many X apps, and have that many of them Imakefiles that have
lines startingwith XCOMM in them. When I do a xmkmf to create the Makefile,
the Makefile also has the XCOMM (comment?) lines in them. I always have
to edit out these lines because the make command barfs on them. I was
wondering what these lines were for, and what I might be doing wrong that
causes the make command to dislike them. Thanks!


Subject: CDTV, Accessories, 1084s Monitor.

Because of the 'questionable' bids being placed for the set-up, I am
including some 'guideline' prices in this REPOST. Negotiable, of course.

In anticipation of the arrival of my new computer system, I am
selling my CDTV and accessories.  I am in no rush to sell this
so if you don't have the money now, but may be able to get it in
a few weeks, make a bid and let me know.

I am NOW willing to sell the pieces separately, but I will wait to sell
until they are all accounted for (at least CDTV and Keyboard Kit)
I will sell the monitor separately.

CDTV  (6 months old. Mint condition. Comes with all documentation,
      packaging, receipt, etc, all in mint condition. Demo disc.)
      ----->I will start bidding at $375 for this

CDTV Keyboard Package [Keyboard, mouse, 3.5" drive] (Comes with all
      documention, packaging, receipt etc. 6 months old. Mint
      turns your CDTV into a full fledged AMIGA 500 computer!)
      ----->I will start bidding at $125 for this

1084s Monitor (A couple years old. Very Good condition. Comes with
       all documentation, packaging, and receipt if I can find it.)
      ----->I will start bdding at $125 for this

Software (Various titles...games, demos, etc. NOTE: I have no CDTV
          discs. All software is 3.5" disc based).
      ----->FREE with PACKAGE deal.

Please send your best bid to io00844@maine or call (207)-581-7589.
Ask for Zero Batzell. You can leave a message if I'm not in.

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(207)-581-7589      | Iguana Owner.      "NCC-42 U.S.S. Heart Of Gold"
University of Maine | Video Hobbyist.    "Live long and Don't Panic!!"
student with a      | Star Trek TNG Fan.
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transfer in mind.   | Orson Scott Card Fan.         and Everything.
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There are chips which perform the voice compression/expansion.  They can't
be expensive, because they exist in many phones connected to PBXs or on the
PBX line cards, as well as in a lot of equipment which compresses
voice-grade circuits to save the cost of long-distance, leased T1s or
satellite circuits.

I can't remember the generic term for these chips.  My impression is that
this was a big deal 10 years ago, but circuits have gotten so cheap that
it isn't done much now.

Lew


Within the next several months I'll be looking for a job in computer
graphics software.  I'm in need of info on graphics software companies.
I've checked the FAQ, the resource list, and siggraph.org, haven't found
anything.  The last Computer Graphics Career Handbook that I'm aware of,
was published in 1991.  It has a list of 40 companies in it, but no
tremendously specific information on any of them.

Can people please steer me towards more current and in-depth informational
resources?  Thanks.  I'll post a summary if there's interest.

Brandon


: >Why not build a inflatable space dock.

: If you're doing large-scale satellite servicing, being able to do it in
: a pressurized hangar makes considerable sense.  The question is whether
: anyone is going to be doing large-scale satellite servicing in the near
: future, to the point of justifying development of such a thing.

That's a mighty fine idea.  But since you asked "Why not," I'll
respond.

Putting aside the application of such a space dock, there are other
factors to consider than just pressurized volume.  Temperature control
is difficult in space, and your inflatable hangar will have to
incorporate thermal insulation (maybe a double-walled inflatable).
Micrometeoroid protection and radiation protection are also required.
Don't think this will be a clear plastic bubble; it's more likely
to look like a big white ball made out of the same kind of multi-layer
fabric that soft-torso space suits are made out of today.

Because almost all manned space vessels (Skylab, Mir, Salyut) used
their pressurization for increased structural rigidity, even though
they had (have) metal skins, they still kind of qualify as inflatable.

The inflation process would have to be carefully controlled.  The
space environment reduces ductility in exposed materials (due to
temperature extremes, monotomic Oxygen impingement, and radiation
effects on materials), so your "fabric" may not retain any flexibility
for long.  (This may not matter.)  Even after inflation, pressure
changes in the hangar may cause flexing in the fabric, which could
lead to holes and tears as ductility decreases.

These are some of the technical difficulties which the LLNL proposal
for an inflatable space station dealt with to varying degrees of
success.

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368


rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes...

	The fact is that Koresh and his followers involved themselves
	in a gun battle to control the Mt Carmel complex. That is not
	in dispute. From what I remember of the trial, the authories
	couldn't reasonably establish who fired first, the big reason
	behind the aquittal.

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Article #61083 (61123 is last):
From: scholten@epg.nist.gov (Robert Scholten)
Subject: Re: How hot should the cpu be?
Date: Wed Apr 21 19:01:49 1993

The temp on my 486DX2/66 is over 96C (measured with a K-type thermocouple
and Fluke 55 dig thermometer).  This is an "idle" temp - not doing lots of
bus i/o, not doing floating point, not doing 32-bit protected mode etc.  This
is in a Micron computer, without heatsink.

I recently put a heatsink/fan on the chip, but I might take the fan off.  It
makes a horrible whine at times, and I wonder what the vibration is doing to
the pins on the cpu etc...

--
Rob Scholten
scholten@epg.nist.gov
End of File, Press RETURN to quit

Rob,
Don't worry about the whine of the fan it will go away in about 3 weeks
of use, mine did...
As to the vibration well that something I thought about to as I have
a tower case and the mb is mounted vertically. So I mounted the fan
on the case so that it just blows air at the CPU and its heatsink
instead. Work just like a charm, but the realy biggy to think about
is after the whine goes away on the fan. If the fan should stop (burn out)
how would you ever know this before the cpu goes up in smoke. Thats what
you should be thinking about. I have the parts together but have not
had the time to assemble them as yet. But you build a thermistor controlled
circuit that will turn on a pesso speaker and a LED when the temp. goes
above the normal operating range (96c) or there abouts. Cheep to do if
you use Radio Shack junk under $5....Think about that one for a while!
Sam


I actually saw this movie about three months ago, but it wasn't called
EASY WHEELS.  It was something else that escapes me at the moment but
I did rent it from Blockbuster Video and it was a hoot, in the same
class as Plan 9 From Outer Space.


*Sigh*

Don't know what your roomate is doing but it must be something wrong.
Are there people who enjoy using Windows? Yes. I'll admit to it. Given
a choice between a Mac and Windows I choose Windows every time (to
start another flame thread 9-) ) ....

--


#|> #
#|> #Noting that a particular society, in this case the mainland UK,
#|> #has few religously motivated murders, and few murders of *any*
#|> #kind, says very little about whether inter-religion murders elsewhere
#|> #are religiously motivated.
#|>
#|> No, but it allows one to conclude that there is nothing inherent
#|> in all religion (or for that matter, in catholicism and protestantism)
#|> that motivates one to kill.
#
#"Motivates" or "allows?"    The Christian Bible says that one may kill
#under certain circumstances.   In fact, it instructs one to kill under
#certain circumstances.

I'd say the majority of people have a moral system that instructs them
to kill under certain circumstances.  I do get your distinction between
motivate and allow, and I do agree that if a flavour of theism 'allows'
atoricities, then that's an indictment of that theism.  But it rather
depends on what the 'certain circumstances' are.  When you talk about
Christianity, or Islam, then at least your claims can be understood.
It's when people go to a general statement about theism that it falls
apart.  One could believe in a God which instructs one to be utterly
harmless.
#
#|> For my part, I conclude that something
#|> else is required.  I also happen to believe that that something
#|> else will work no less well without religion - any easy Them/Us will
#|> do.
#
#And what does religion supply, if not an easy Them/Us?

Not necessarily.  "Love thy neighbour" does not supply a them/us - it
demolishes it.  And my definition of religion is broader than my
definition of theism, as I have explained.
#
#|> #By insisting that even the murder of four labourers, chosen because
#|> #they were catholics, and who had nothing to do with the IRA, by
#|> #Protestant extremists, is *not* religously motivated, I think what
#|> #you are saying is that you simply will not accept *any* murder as
#|> #being religiously motivated.
#|>
#|> No.  What about that guy who cut off someone's head because he believed
#|> he was the devil incarnate?  That was religously motivated.
#
#What about the Protestant extremists who killed four Catholic
#labourers?     That *wasn't* religiously motivated?

Not in my opinion.  If they were doing it because of some obscure
point of theology, then yes.  But since all protestants don't do this
(nor do they elect extremists to do it for them), it's just too broad
too say "religion did this".  I'm saying that the causes are far more
complex than that - take away the religious element, and you'd still
have the powerful motives of revenge and misguided patriotism.  You
know, when most Catholics and Protestants worldwide say 'stop the
killing', one might listen to that, especially when you claim not
to read minds.
#
#
#|> Also, the murders ensuing from the fatwa on Mr. Rushdie, the Inquisitions,
#|> and the many religous wars.
#
#What's so special about these exceptions?    Isn't this all just a
#grab-bag of ad-hoc excuses for not considering some other murders
#to be religiously motivated?    What's the general principle behind
#all this?

The general principle is that it's fairly clear (to me, at least) that
religion is the primary motivator (enabler, whatever) of these.  It's
not nearly so obvious what's going on when one looks at NI, apart
from violence of course.
#
#|> #It's not an abstract "argument".   Northern Irish Protestants say
#|> #"We don't want to be absorbed into am officially Catholic country."
#|> #
#|> #Now what are we supposed to do?   Are we supposed to reply "No,
#|> #that's only what you think you don't want.   Mr O'Dwyer assures us
#|> #that no matter what you say you want, you really want something
#|> #else?"
#|>
#|> You think the Unionists wouldn't mind being absorbed into a non-Catholic
#|> country (other than the UK of course)?   It's a terrible thing to lose
#|> a mind.   Maybe the word "country" is there for more than just kicks.
#|> I certainly don't believe that the Unionists are in it for God - I think
#|> they wish to maintain their position of privilege.
#
#I'm still listening to what they say, and you are still telling us
#your version of what they think.   You read minds, and I don't.

You've speculated on my motives often enough, and you don't take
my statements of my own beliefs at face value - therefore your claim
not to read minds has no credibility with me, sorry.   I also note that
you fail to answer my question.  It just looks to me very much like
you have an axe to grind - especially as you are indeed ignoring what
most Protestants say - which is @stop the killing".  The people you
refer to are properly described as Unionists, not Protestants.
#
#As for their position of privilege, what is that if not religion-
#based?

It is based on politics, bigotry, and heartless extremism.  None of these
things are synonymous with religion, though there is certainly some
overlap.


: I've only had the computer for about 21 months.  Is that a reasonable life
: cycle for a LCD display?


Good point.  If you haven't read "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer, do
so at your first opportunity.  I don't know why Hoffer is out of style
now, but "The True Believer" is still the best explanation of nutball
behavior ever written.


Hmm...are you a Taoist?  Imposing limits *does* do something useful...it gives
you something to go beyond.

I tend to be a bit critical of any stratification of Taoism.  I especially
tend to frown on any suggestion that "orthodoxy" or "classics" have any
special place in Tao.

So rather than debate what "Taoism *REALLY* means" you are suggesting that
we take someone else's word for it and work thusly?  I'd rather not, thank
you.

Whereas you, of course, have a clear idea of what the word means?  Can
you tell the Tao? :-)

Wonderful idea.

Only if you choose to define failure in that way.  Or to define it at all.


Woo! So far, we've had the following interpretations of the figure of
the `Whore of Babylon' in Rev 17 & 18:

a) The United States of America
b) MHO dB) which was as a figure of the fallen spiritual powers who
   corrupt and oppress human society
c) Historical Jerusalem
d) Historical Rome

Dare I suggest that the passage might be many layered in meaning? How
about * The prophecy reveals God's judgement on the corrupt & idolatrous
state oppressing his chosen people (d) * That God's judgement extends
_especially_ to his once chosen city (c) because, despite that City's
special call, it still rejected God's grace at the decisive time (Rev
11:8? - also isn't Rev19:24 equally suggestive of Rome as Jerusalem?) *
That the USofA is guilty of many of the crimes of Rome/Babylon (a) and
is equally subject to God's judgement * That the Good Book(TM) actually
encompasses _all_ these viewpoints by revealing the corrupting spiritual
powers warring against mankind through the very society that we've
created. (b)

Clever, huh? (<-- Flame here!) No need to argue at all!

I think Mary's view has a lot of sense because there seems to be a
deliberate contrast between Rev 17/18 and Rev 21/22 - the mortal
Jerusalem chosen by God but never (historically) fulfilling its vocation
and the new Jerusalem perfected (outside of history) purely by God's
grace. eg Details like Rev 17:1 `.. who sits on many waters' cf Rev 22
the single stream in the new Jersualem `the river of life flowing from
the throne of God and of the Lamb.'


I just entered the market for a Radar Detector and am looking for
any & all advice/recommendations/warnings/etc from anyone in
this group.

Email is preferred.


You Ford vs Chevy people must live in the planet of Detroit or Droid.

Like they say in the airforce, with enough horsepower anything will fly.

I can put a 32valve V-8 with twin Garret-4s on Yugo and get 7.7sec QM.
Thats useless ... Its still a Yugo that will loose any race on a track,
or on the street.

Have you Detroit beings compared the ultra-long-throw stick shifts of
the 5.0 with the 93 MR2 turbo or 93 RX7 (I ll buy it in 6 mos) ?

Or the Torsen differential of the RX7 compared to the Differential of
the 5.0 that sounds in every hairpin turn ?

And bythe way 5.0 and Camaro both have drums on the rear breaks ...
Hello , this is the 90 's ?

Vlasis Theodore
Software Engineer


If Prof. Denning is afraid of posting here due to personal attacks,
perhaps she should use an anonymous posting service.  That is why
they are there, to allow heated debate to occur without the personal
attacks.

Is anon@penet back up yet?


Hmmm...
  A possibility for the software registration conondrum would be to have the
distributor register the copy when the software was sold.  The clerk sticks it
in the store PC and asks for the buyers ID. Later, if pirated versions showed up they could be tracked to the original purchaser. In addition copies which were
sent to distributors/stores would have a vendor reg # or serial # in order to
track in store piracy.

Possible additional program security schemes would be:
1. having monthly password changes which necessitate user call in
   and registration. (inconvenient)
2. taking dire legal action on anyone caught (expensive)
3. encryption, crc check, self modifying code (limited effectiveness)
4. have an independent watchdog program in the installation/setup config or
   memory manager, etc. which would check the main program's crc.
   (only as effective as above methods at best.)
5. have the above watchdog circulating as a virus which would trash cracked
   copies of the program and/or the offenders hard drive. (risky, and probably
   illegal, certainly immoral)

my new ideas aren't terribly feasible to implement as presented, but I thought
if I threw them out people could think of variations that might be effective.
What is the problem with parallel port security keys? I haven't used anything
that had hardware key copy protection schemes, so I don't know what the
drawbacks are. I know the companies that make them claim they're uncrackable,
but I've seen cracks of AutoDesk 3d-studio floating around (I don't have one
so don't ask) and I had heard that it had parralel port keys.


Most likely reason is that your backup battery is failing - this battery
maintains the contents of the CMOS memory when AC power is turned off, and
if the battery is flakey then the contents of the CMOS will be lost and
the checksum will be wrong (along with most other of the CMOS data). Try
replacing the battery.

If, however, your PC doesn't use a battery but a large capacitor to power
the CMOS, you should check to see if you can replace the capacitor with a
more normal lithium battery. If this isn't possible, make sure you leave
your PC on for a half hour or hour each day; this will keep the capacitor
charged. I'd opt for the battery change, though.


You shouldn't have ignored the ZyXEL.  It can be purchased with a "Mac
bundle", which includes a hardware-handshaking cable and FaxSTF software.
The bundle adds between $35 and $60 to the price of the modem, depending
on the supplier.  It is true that the modem has no Mac-specific docs,
but it doesn't require much 'tweaking' (aside from setting &D0 in the
init string, to enable hardware handshaking).

For more information on the ZyXEL, including sources, look at various files
on sumex-aim.stanford.edu, in info-mac/report.


Oh? What about the precedent in which nuclear weapons information was
published in "The Progressive"? I was under the impression that the
court held that prior restraint could NOT be used. Any lawyers out
there?

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com


I would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal
and save percentage numbers for me, so I can put these stats on the archive
site.  Contact me by mail if you want to volunteer.

Here are the team goalie stats as of: Wed Apr 21 09:09:38 CST 1993

These stats include games up to and including the Sunday previous to the date
listed above.  They have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper
every Tuesday.  They don't print shots and save percentage numbers, so those
are not verified.

If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, let me know.

Randy

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MP = Minutes Played, GA = Goals against,
SO = Shutouts, GAA = Goals against average
W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties
SOG = Shots on Goal, SV = Save Percentage

 MP   GA SO   GAA  W  L  T  SOG   SV  TM Player
=======================================================
4106 177  7  2.59 41 18 11 1879 0.906 CHI Ed Belfour
 996  49  2  2.95  6  7  1  414 0.882 CHI Jim Waite
--------------------------------------------------------------
5108 230  9  2.70 47 25 12 2296 0.900 CHI

 479  18  2  2.25  6  2  0  232 0.922 TOR Daren Puppa
2781 116  2  2.50 25 15  7 1287 0.910 TOR Felix Potvin
1665  87  1  3.14 13  9  4  823 0.894 TOR Grant Fuhr
 160  15  0  5.63  0  3  0   91 0.835 TOR Rick Wamsley
--------------------------------------------------------------
5097 241  5  2.84 44 29 11 2438 0.901 TOR

  25   1  0  2.40  0  0  0   10 0.900 BOS Mike Bales
1322  64  1  2.90  9  8  4  596 0.893 BOS John Blue
3194 168  3  3.16 37 14  3 1354 0.876 BOS Andy Moog
 542  31  0  3.43  5  4  0  225 0.862 BOS Reggie Lemelin
--------------------------------------------------------------
5096 268  4  3.16 51 26  7 2190 0.878 BOS

3702 186  4  3.01 43 14  5 1889 0.902 PIT Tom Barrasso
1368  78  0  3.42 13  7  2  691 0.887 PIT Ken Wregget
--------------------------------------------------------------
5083 268  5  3.16 56 21  7 2582 0.896 PIT

3890 196  1  3.02 29 28  9 2194 0.911 STL Curtis Joseph
1210  74  1  3.67  8  8  2  628 0.882 STL Guy Hebert
--------------------------------------------------------------
5110 278  2  3.26 36 36 11 2825 0.902 STL

1817  94  1  3.10 18  8  4  858 0.890 VAN Kay Whitmore
3261 184  3  3.39 28 21  5 1620 0.886 VAN Kirk McLean
--------------------------------------------------------------
5087 278  4  3.28 46 29  9 2449 0.886 VAN

1193  64  0  3.22 13  4  2  522 0.877 DET Vincent Riendeau
3880 210  4  3.25 34 24  7 1898 0.889 DET Tim Cheveldae
--------------------------------------------------------------
5088 280  4  3.30 47 28  9 2425 0.885 DET

  40   1  0  1.50  0  0  0   19 0.947 MTL Frederick Chabot
3595 192  2  3.20 31 25  5 1813 0.894 MTL Patrick Roy
1433  81  1  3.39 17  5  1  686 0.882 MTL Andre Racicot
--------------------------------------------------------------
5087 280  3  3.30 48 30  6 2522 0.889 MTL

1311  70  1  3.20 14  4  1  629 0.889 CAL Jeff Reese
3732 203  2  3.26 29 26  9 1805 0.888 CAL Mike Vernon
  65   5  0  4.62  0  0  1   39 0.872 CAL Andrei Trefilov
--------------------------------------------------------------
5120 282  3  3.30 43 30 11 2476 0.886 CAL

   1   0  0  0.00  0  0  0    0 1.000 WAS Byron Dafoe
 343  10  2  1.75  3  2  0  162 0.938 WAS Rick Tabaracci
3282 181  1  3.31 27 23  5 1531 0.882 WAS Don Beaupre
1421  83  0  3.50 13  9  2  681 0.878 WAS Jim Hrivnak
  20   2  0  6.00  0  0  0    7 0.714 WAS Olaf Kolzig
--------------------------------------------------------------
5085 286  3  3.37 43 34  7 2391 0.880 WAS

3476 193  3  3.33 26 26  5 1683 0.885 MIN Jon Casey
1596  97  1  3.65 10 12  5  803 0.879 MIN Darcy Wakaluk
--------------------------------------------------------------
5090 293  4  3.45 36 38 10 2489 0.882 MIN

1429  75  0  3.15 11 10  4  716 0.895 BUF Dominik Hasek
1694  98  0  3.47 11 15  2  903 0.891 BUF Grant Fuhr
1306  78  0  3.58 11  5  4  706 0.890 BUF Daren Puppa
 664  41  0  3.70  5  6  0  344 0.881 BUF Tom Draper
--------------------------------------------------------------
5104 297  0  3.49 38 36 10 2674 0.889 BUF

2655 146  1  3.30 22 20  2 1314 0.889 NYI Glenn Healy
2253 130  0  3.46 17 15  5 1067 0.878 NYI Mark Fitzpatrick
 157  10  0  3.82  1  2  0   78 0.872 NYI Danny Lorenz
--------------------------------------------------------------
5088 297  1  3.50 40 37  7 2470 0.880 NYI

1939 110  0  3.40 18  9  4  947 0.884 QUE Stephane Fiset
2988 172  0  3.45 29 16  5 1525 0.887 QUE Ron Hextall
 154  10  0  3.90  0  2  1   66 0.848 QUE Jacques Cloutier
--------------------------------------------------------------
5101 300  0  3.53 47 27 10 2536 0.882 QUE

2672 151  2  3.39 19 21  3 1322 0.886 NJ  Chris Terreri
2389 146  2  3.67 21 16  4 1180 0.876 NJ  Craig Billington
--------------------------------------------------------------
5080 299  4  3.53 40 37  7 2505 0.881 NJ

2757 152  4  3.31 20 18  7 1519 0.900 NYR John Vanbiesbrouck
 224  14  0  3.75  1  2  1  116 0.879 NYR Corey Hirsch
2105 134  1  3.82 13 19  3 1184 0.887 NYR Mike Richter
--------------------------------------------------------------
5108 308  5  3.62 34 39 11 2826 0.891 NYR

2512 143  5  3.42 20 17  6 1329 0.892 PHI Tommy Soderstrom
1769 111  1  3.76 13 11  5  932 0.881 PHI Dominic Roussel
 802  59  0  4.41  3  9  0  405 0.854 PHI Stephane Beauregard
--------------------------------------------------------------
5107 319  6  3.75 36 37 11 2672 0.881 PHI

3855 227  2  3.53 33 26  6 2119 0.893 WIN Bob Essensa
 180  13  0  4.33  2  1  0   96 0.865 WIN Jim Hrivnak
 959  70  0  4.38  5 10  0  502 0.861 WIN Rick Tabaracci
  73   6  0  4.93  0  0  1   34 0.824 WIN Mike O'Neill
--------------------------------------------------------------
5084 320  2  3.78 40 37  7 2755 0.884 WIN

1591  97  0  3.66  7 19  2  757 0.872 TB  Wendell Young
1163  71  0  3.66  8 10  1  573 0.876 TB  JC Bergeron
2268 150  1  3.97  8 24  4 1197 0.875 TB  Pat Jablonski
  45   7  0  9.33  0  1  0   21 0.667 TB  David Littman
--------------------------------------------------------------
5088 332  1  3.92 24 53  7 2557 0.870 TB

3753 240  1  3.84 17 38  6 2069 0.884 EDM Bill Ranford
1338  93  0  4.17  9 12  2  763 0.878 EDM Ron Tugnutt
--------------------------------------------------------------
5099 337  1  3.97 26 50  8 2836 0.881 EDM

1735 111  0  3.84 15  8  4  987 0.888 LA  Robb Stauber
2718 175  2  3.86 18 21  6 1545 0.887 LA  Kelly Hrudey
 532  35  0  3.95  6  4  0  294 0.881 LA  Rick Knickle
  98  13  0  7.96  0  2  0   51 0.745 LA  David Goverde
--------------------------------------------------------------
5100 340  2  4.00 39 35 10 2858 0.881 LA

  11   0  0  0.00  0  0  0    3 1.000 HAR Corrie D'Alessio
 168   9  0  3.21  1  1  1   87 0.897 HAR Mike Lenarduzzi
 867  57  0  3.94  5  9  1  499 0.886 HAR Mario Gosselin
2656 184  0  4.16 16 27  3 1470 0.875 HAR Sean Burke
1373 111  0  4.85  4 15  1  784 0.858 HAR Frank Pietrangelo
--------------------------------------------------------------
5097 369  0  4.34 26 52  6 2851 0.871 HAR

1326  95  0  4.30  2 17  1  743 0.872 OTT Daniel Berthiaume
3388 250  0  4.43  8 46  3 1711 0.854 OTT Peter Sidorkiewicz
  90  10  0  6.67  0  2  0   44 0.773 OTT Darrin Madeley
 249  30  0  7.23  0  5  0  146 0.795 OTT Steve Weeks
--------------------------------------------------------------
5074 395  0  4.67 10 70  4 2656 0.851 OTT

2074 142  1  4.11  7 26  0 1250 0.886 SJ  Arturs Irbe
  60   5  0  5.00  0  1  0   46 0.891 SJ  Wade Flaherty
2000 176  0  5.28  2 30  1 1220 0.856 SJ  Jeff Hackett
 930  86  0  5.55  2 14  1  559 0.846 SJ  Brian Hayward
--------------------------------------------------------------
5077 414  1  4.89 11 71  2 3079 0.866 SJ


I thought the first thread was hilarious, so here goes another post.

Some more background information on what has happened to my poor batteries.

  One year, I left the batteries in the garage.  The garage is Unheated.
They were left in their places that they needed to be.  One in the riding
lawnmower (what a lux) and one in each motorcycle.  The battery in the
riding lawnmower was about 3-4 years old, and one of the cycle batteries
was new, and one was around 5 years old.  Upon spring time, I discovered
that all of the batteries were dead, and needed to be recharged.  They all
worked properly, except for the older ones, and they had to be replaced
about halfway through the summer.  (they had originally been stored
in the garage, and I think I remember my dad charging them in spring)
  Last year, I decided to bring them in to the basement, which has two parts.
one is dirt and brick, and the other is concrete.  I brought in all three, and
discovered in the spring, (about 15 days ago) that not only were the batteries
dead, but when I put the charger on them, the charger said "HMMMMMMMM" and
the amp-meter read around 1,000,000,000  (In other words, it was pinned)
the internal circut tripped, and I went on to the other batteries.  They
were the same.
   Realizing that we still had 2 GIGANTIC sailboat batteries, also lead
acid, I decided to put the charger on them.  (these had been sitting for around 1 and a half years, on the brick and dirt part) and noticed that they only
needed a small charge, around 2 hours or so on trickle.  I tested them
by using them at the local gas station for giving jump starts, and they
worked fine for around 25 of 'em.
  This leads me to believe one of several things.
     1) I bought really #$%tty batteries last year. (sorta true)
     2) the concrete has something to do with the discharge of the
        batteries.
     3) There was enough moisture to short out the terminals in the
          room where the concrete is,
     4) The dirt room was able to absorb the moisture in the air
         better than concrete.

(BTW, I can almost waterski in the dirt room)


Brian, have you checked out what your priests told you in the
Bible to see whether they were telling you the truth?  Did you know
that according to the Bible, there shouldn't even be such things as
"priests" anymore?  Do you know why the preisthood was established in
the Old Testament to begin with and the reasons why after Jesus,
there were no priests--that is until the Roman Catholic Church
300 years later devised the doctrine of transubstantiation by ignoring
the whole concept beyond the book of Hebrews?

You said you analyzed the Bible very closely.  I think you are
lying.  For if you had, I would think you would have at least
got the doctrine of hell straight.


Hi.  I'm looking for a 3D shark for use in a ray tracing rountine I'm doing.
 I'll be using Vivid or POV, but it can be in any format.  Are there any
 FTP sites with 3D objects or does anyone have a good 3D shark?

Thanks alot!

Chad


(Susan Clark) asks:

I am not so sure about the celebrated players of the game, but Tod Hartje,
who played for Harvard in college and then went on to play in the AHL
(initially for Moncton and currently for Providence-- thanks to Daryl
Turner for the update!) appeared on David Letterman's show about two
years ago now.

Tod has the distinction of being the first American born player to go
and play in the former Soviet Union. This was arranged by Jets GM Mike
Smith while Tod was playing in Moncton at about the time all those
European players were coming over to North America to play in the NHL.

Tod spent a year playing in Russia and played with or against some of
the Russian players who have just entered the NHL in the last two years.
He wrote a book on his experiences called "Behind the Red Line" (check it
out!) and appeared on the Letterman show to talk about them.

-- Mike