What you call "the Trinity and the Catholic church's definition
of it" is precisely the result of the first Christians getting
together and trying to find an acceptable answer to your
question "what is a Christian?". I can't see what you are
objecting to: someone is saying what historians of all beliefs
would agree on, and you are calling him a closed-minded bigot?

You really ought to say what you mean by "belief in Jesus
Christ". It is not a wording that is sufficient to describe a
Christian. Muslims believe in Jesus Christ although they
believe he was a prophet and not the incarnated Son of God. But
followers of Eastern religions might be quite happy to say that
Jesus was the incarnation of God - along with large numbers of
other historical and mythical figures.

So perhaps you ought to rephrase your question and say
precisely what it is in the traditional definitions of what it
is to be a Christian, as handed down by the Universal Church,
you object to but regard as unnecessary for being a Christian.


As a side note, in that same ad (MacWorld 6/93), they are selling the 50MHz
Powercache for the IIsi with FPU for $575. For those thinking of upgrading
to the 040 33 MHz Turbo (an upgrade costs $600 direct from Daystar), this comes
out to $1175, about $200 cheaper than what most mail-order companies charge.


That may change next month; at least I hope it will. A couple of hundred
journalists have requested press passes for the test flights. Sustaining
that publicity however, will be a problem.

  Allen


I don't know the answer to your direct question, but if the Mac Superdrive can
read MS-DOS disks (can it??) then you can transfer files between the NeXT and
a Mac by using MS-DOS formatted disks since the NeXT *can* read/write that
format.  And if you're interested in transferring files, you can also do it
over the serial port using kermit.


My roommate left me his Playboy collection which he no longer wants, so I'm
offering them to the general public.  (THAT'S YOU!)

    MAKE AN OFFER FOR THE *ENTIRE COLLECTION*
    I will accept the best offer.
    (Offer does *NOT* include cheapest method of shipping from Bethlehem, PA)

1992:
    February    (Supermodel Rachel Williams, World Tour, & POM Tanya Beyer)

1991:
    May         (Shannon & Tracy Tweed & POM Carrie Jean Yazel)
    July        (Tall girls, Miss Bulgaria, & POM Wendy Kaye)
    September   (Barbi twins & POM Samantha Dorman)
    November    (La Toya Jackson & POM Tonja Marie Christensen)
    December    (Dian Parkinson from "The Price is Right" & POM Wendy Hamilton)

1990:
    July        (Sharon Stone, Marilyn look-alike, & POM Jacqueline Sheen)
    October     (Girls of the Big West, Gladiator Marisa Pare, & POM Brittany
                 York)
    November    (Teri Copley from "We Got It Made", Sex in Cinema, & POM
                 Lorraine Olivia, stewardess)

1989:
    January     (35th Anniversary Issue - Collector's Edition)
    February    (Year in Sex, Rio's Grand, & POM Simone Eden)
    March       (La Toya Jackson & POM Laurie Wood)
    August      (Women of Wall St., Diana Lee from "License to Kill", & POM
                 Gianna Amore)
    November    (Donna Mills, Sex in Cinema '89, & POM Renee Tenison)

1988:
    August      (Sunshine Girls & POM Helle Michaelsen)
    October     (Girls of the Southwest Conference & POM Shannon Long)
    November    (Women of Washington, Sex in Cinema '88, & POM Pia Reyes)
    December    (Playmate Review, Sex Stars of '88, Lysette Anthony, & POM
                 Kata Karkkainen)

1987:
    November    (Jessica Hahn, Sex in Cinema '87, & POM Pam Stein)

Also:  *** Special Edition:  "Playboy Presents:  100 Beautiful Women" ***
--


Does anyone know the pin-outs for the 27C512 EPROM??  I have bought
several of them, none of which has come with the pin-outs!  Any info would be
appreciated....


Special creation has not been observed in action. Bill Rawlin's
assertions that man was created in his present form do not count
as creation. Put another way, there are an incredible amount of
species of the planet. How many species have we DIRECTLY observed
being created by a god or gods?


Your starting to sound like a little child who wants ice cream. If you
kick and scream enough you think people will believe you. Sorry proof
by vigorous ascertion doesn't hold any water. I can insist that cats
are dogs all day, it doesn't make it so.


    Well, in my opinion the Canucks played a really strong game. I was
especially pleased by a very strong game from Linden - I think he
could be a key to success for them this year.  Defensively, they
really had a strong game.  Hardly heard Selanne's name all night.
Craven also played one of his best games since coming over.  With a
few exceptions, they really didn't let the high-flying Jets do much
high-flying.  I thought the Jets defence looked overmatched by the
Canucks forwards - they will have to improve on that if they want to
make this a series.

    In short, it was a great start!


I used to hate it when people posted messages like this, but now that I
am contemplating a purchase, I can see why they do.

So, has anyone heard of any upcoming (within the next 6 months)
advances in the Powerbook line?  Can we expect to see a PowerPC
PowerBook at some point in the future (I assume an 040 would take too
much power and generate too much heat for installation in a PowerBook)?


I'm trying to find some information on accelerator boards for the SE. Has
anyone used any in the past, especially those from Extreme Systems, Novy or
MacProducts? I'm looking for a board that will support extended video,
especially Radius's two-page monitor. Has anyone used Connectix Virtual in
conjunction with their board? Any software snafus? Are there any stats
anywhere on the speed difference between a board with an FPU and one
without? Please send mail directly to me. Thanks.


From article <strnlghtC5tr6D.n3n@netcom.com>, by strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight):

"Well Regulated", at the time of its writing and in the context of the Second Amendment,
means "Properly trained and equipped."

It modern language it would read:

	A properly trained and equipped militia, being necessary to the security of
	a free state <note the word "free", it doesn't say "police"), the right of
	the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


} maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.

	Uh, Doug, I don't know what school of thought your from, but chain
drive are MUCH more efficient than shafties.  End of story.  Period.
	But I will give you that shafties are much less maintenance intensive...

						Ethan


Less than 1/2 of mailorder price!

I have three libraries, all on CD, which cost me over two thousand dollars
mail order.  They are all genuine, high quality EPS vector graphics (NOT just
some scans with a silly EPS wrapper!)  They are:

1. Totem Graphics color EPS library (about 1400 color EPS images).
   This costs a thousand bucks mailorder.  I rate this clip art as
   high quality (much better than Dynamic Graphics clip art, SOTMC clip art,
   etc., in my opinion), but I rate both the 3G library and the C.A.R.
   library as higher.  Totem's art is ALL color -- whereas most of the other's
   are B&W.  It's the best all-color library out there, in my opinion.

2. C.A.R. Graphics library (haven't counted how many images, but you can
   purchase the library on 48 floppies, to give you an idea of the size).
   This costs about 4 hundred bucks mailorder.  I rate this clip art as
   very high quality, but it's only B&W.

3. 3G Graphics library (very popular in all the Mac mags).  This costs
   about 4 hundred bucks mailorder.  I rate this clip art as very high quality
   (got some awards in one of the major Mac mags, forgot which).  Some of
   the images are color, but most are B&W.

For what it's worth, all three of the CD's are saved in multiple file formats.
They are readable on Mac's and PC's.  Additionally, Totem's will mount native-
NeXT also, although the NeXT could just as easily mount either the Mac or PC
filesystems.  I've personally tested the CD's on all three machines (I've owned
all three machines, although I sold my NeXT a few months ago).

Also, in my opinion, the 3G and C.A.R. libraries are the best in the business
(and I've seen lots).  Also, Totem's is, in my opinion, the best all-color
library around, although I like 3G's color art better.

I want $850 for everything.  Can ship certified check C.O.D., as well as
VISA/MC charge.  If you pay by VISA/MC, I'll ship pre-paid in the continental U.S.
If I ship C.O.D., buyer pays freight and C.O.D. fee.

Reason for selling: No longer have DTP business.

Please respond via email or telephone, as I rarely check these news groups.

Nevin


Before you finalize your file in the FAQs (or after), you might want to
correct the typo in the following:

It seems one or the other end of the rating scale should be identified with
"homosexual".

As a personal note, I guess I differ with you on the question of work
entering human life as a result of sin.

Before the fall (Gen 2:15) "And the LORD God took the man, and put him into
the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." which I would call "work".
For me, the difference introduced by sin is the painful aspects of work added
at the fall (I take the cursing of the ground in vs.17-19 to apply to the
work for sustenance).  In a way, some view "work" as a blessing (Ecclesiastes
is a fun book! - for melancholies).

I hope I do not sound caustic, maybe you can enlighten me further.

Well, this is certainly a delicate subject, and I guess you accomplished what
you state as your purpose "It summarizes arguments for allowing Christian
homosexuality", not for me the most noble goal, but you are writing a FAQ.

I wonder if you might temporize the apparent "sentence" of the specific
homosexual you propose (arguably tenuously define).
  Perhaps that would be true of "celibacy from homosexual relations", or
refrainng from their choice relationships, but that does not forbid
heterosexual.  Could they not have/enjoy heterosexual relations "for what it
was worth"?


Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)?  While
"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out?
help!


I'mposting this for my emplyer who doesn't have net access, (but you can reply
here, and I'll get the message to him.

My boss is looking for two books on the group Mamas and Papas

Papa John  by John Phillips
California Dreaming - (he told me who wrote it, but I don't remember)

He'd prefer hardcover, but paperback will do.

If you have these and are willing to sell, e-mail me here, and I'll pass the me
ssage along.

Thank you


Dayley's salary was guarenteed...with Wells the Jays were only on the
hook for 25%(?) of it.

Give Jackson a break...he lost about 10 pounds with that flu he had
when he was traded.

I would rather have Molitor than Winfield...Winfield was just hogging
all the credit, and he was trying to soak the Jays for a 3 year
guarenteed contract...

The Jays pitching can only get better...Molitor and Alomar haven't hit
anything yet...and the Jays are still over .500...


There is no doubt that Israeli authorities ordered the destruction of
mosques in the vicinity of the Wailing Wall. That does not mean,
however, that once can generalize from this to any other points.  The
entire plaza, mosques and all, was cleared to make it possible for Jews
to have a place to worship in the place that was holiest to many of
them, and which had been denied to them for millenia.

On the other hand, throughout the rest of Jerusalem and Israel, to the
best of my knowledge, Israeli authorities have scrupulously avoided
damage to any Islamic religious sites. This contrasts with the policies
of previous regimes which destroyed Jewish synagogues out of hate and
bigotry.


The easiest way is a user fee for each clipper chip manufactured. This makes
the funding separate from government.

It also has the neat side property that if the chip doesn't catch on, the
scheme breaks down, and the government is back to the drawing boards,
assuming that they haven't prohibited alternatives in the meantime.

In fact, maybe this should be part of the "official" system. Before the
government is allowed to move this past the "experimental" stage, they
should have to demonstrate economic viability by mass adoption. The
government is very fond of demonstration projects proving feasibility in the
use of government funds for social programs--they should have to make a
similar feasibility demonstration (on economic viability cum acceptance
terms) for this baby as well. Let's put it to the only vote that counts--a
marketplace vote among those who have to pay for it.

David


I've had cold sores in the past.  But they have always been in the
corner of my mouth.  Recently,  I've had what appears to be
a cold sore, but on my lower lip in the middle (above the chin).

Can cold sores appear anywhere around the mouth (or body)?

Is there a medical term for cold sore?


Ah, but when you fire at armed folks they have this nasty habit of
firing back. A simple terrorist could get hurt that way.


[...details deleted...]

Oh, great.  We fans can subsidize the cost of speeding up the games
that we don't want to see sped up.  Terrific.

Oh.  I forgot.  Checking off that box to finance Presidential campaigns
doesn't cost us taxpayers anything.

Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy, too?

--	The Beastmaster

(sorry.  I hate to be so sarcastic on such a beautiful day.)


Sorry Geoff,

Agree solder mask is green, but in the old days we didn't have wave soldering
machines (which are another topic again).  I had a crew of a dozen ladies which
could stuff and hand solder a board like lightning!

Board under the mask was the original query.

BTW cheap inport electronic devices (mainly from 3rd world countries) are done
with brown pheonolic boards.  Is seems the electronics industry has discovered
the cheap labor pools.  Workers are paid by the board to assemble circuits at
home.  They are very obviously hand soldered.  Quite a few tape recorders are
being brought into Canada from Red China.  In China there is no warranty for
the equipment other than if you plug it in and it works it's yours.  One of my
co-workers spent a year there and he said the failure rate out of the box was
almost 50%.

Also, the original method for making printed with conductive ink on a regular
printing press.  An old lithographer friend had a press for this.  After the
etching method was developed he used the press to print wood grain on doors.
--
73, Tom
================================================================================
Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician.  Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia
(604)753-3245, Loc 2230  Fax:755-8742  Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle
Snail mail to:  Site Q4, C2.   RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9


I don't think a reboost exercise is analogous to a shuttle landing/launch
in terms of stresses/misalignments/etc.  I would think of the reboost as
a gentile push, where a landing, then launch as two JOLTS which would
put more mechanical stress on the instruments.  Additionally, there might
be a concern about landing loads to the shuttle in the event of a laden
landing.  Finally, probably some thought went into possible contamination
problems if the instruments came back to earth.

Of course, the cost of two shuttle launches _is_ a good reason to avoid
something that might be done in one shuttle launch.  Here's hoping
Cepi's gang gets the job done right the first time.


I also heard the Romans had a large Solar festival on this day because this
day, about 3 days after the Winter Solstice, was when you could notice a
change in the shadows and be sure that the Sun was indeed returning. In fact,
I remember the latin phrase Natalis Solis Invicti (sp!) associated here.

I can't say for certain when Saturnalia was, since I can't locate my Master
Holiday List. I think it was 2 weeks or so however.


Again I assume this is not just flame bait by Roger, but actually a
truly held opinion.

Thanks.  For speaking for all those who didn't feel it was important
enough to say something themselves.

I wouldn't say that the letter clearly implies representation of the
views of a group that you belong to.  It represents a subset (that you
don't belong to) of a larger group (which you do, if only because this
isn't a moderated group).

Look, there are several ways to state an opposing viewpoint.  Three
that come to mind are as follows:

1) Say it subtly.  Result: it may not be clear.
2) Say it directly yet politely.  Result: probably it will spark some
   interesting conversation.
3) Say it directly and obnoxiously.  Result: validity goes right out
   the window.

You realize that anything you say can, and most certainly will, be
used against you.


Boy am I glad that I didn't start out with one of thos PS/2 computers.
I started the upgrade operation out by spending $235 for a AMD386DXL-40
Forex upgradable mother board from Midwest Micro. When it was time to
upgrade I bought a Intel 486DX2-50 cpu for $350 and was finished.
I still don't see why they ever made the 486\50 cpu at all. Its to
fast for both ISA and LB and VESA boards..

Some test results taken on my mb and 486DX2-50 cpu and some others...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
X-TAL UPGRADES & SPECS - TURBO MODE TESTS - WITH FAN & HEATSINK KIT - ISA BUS

X-TAL MHZ                    CPU MHZ   CPU SPEED MHZ    FPO MHZ   VIDEO CHR/MS

40.00 -386AND /3=13.33MHZ     40.544     62.37            ---       6510.00
40.00 -386AMD /4=10.00MHZ     40.544     62.37            ---       6467.00 *

50.000-486DX2-50 /2=12.5MHZ   50.041     167.22          441.53     6105.00
52.361-486DX2-50 /2=13.1MHZ   52.703     176.03          464.81     6425.00 *
54.058-486DX2-50 /2=13.5MHZ   54.120     180.81          477.40     6642.00
56.644-486DX2-50 /3=9.37MHZ   56.220     189.46          500.25     4593.00
66.666-486DX2-50 /3=11.1MHZ   66.759     222.99          588.81     5401.00

WITH ALL TESTS THE 486DX2-50 RAN ICE COLD! NOT EVEN UP TO ROOM TEMP DID IT GO!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
50.000-486DX50   /?           49.998     167.12          408.89     2463.00
??.???-486DX2-66 /?           84.234     224.00          372.00    10570.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU/ISA BUS        X-TAL MHZ      BUS SPEED/MHZ       SPEEDSTAR 24X VIDEO CARD

AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /2 = 20.00 MHZ      INOPERATIVE
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /3 = 13.33 MHZ      6510.00 CHR/MS
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /4 = 10.00 MHZ      6467.00 CHR/MS
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /5 =  8.00 MHZ      4020.00 CHR/MS
AMD386DXL-40       40.000         /6 =  6.66 MHZ      NOT TESTED
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
486DX2-50          50.000         /2 = 12.51 MHZ      6105.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          50.000         /3 =  8.34 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          50.000         /4 =  6.25 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          50.000         /5 =  5.00 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          50.000         /6 =  4.16 MHZ      NOT TESTED
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
486DX2-50          56.64          /2 = 14.16 MHZ      6826.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          56.64          /3 =  9.44 MHZ      4593.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          56.64          /4 =  7.08 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          56.64          /5 =  5.66 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          56.64          /6 =  4.72 MHZ      NOT TESTED
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
486DX2-50          66.66          /2 = 16.67 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          66.66          /3 = 11.11 MHZ      5401.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          66.66          /4 =  8.33 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          66.66          /5 =  6.67 MHZ      NOT TESTED
486DX2-50          66.66          /6 =  5.56 MHZ      NOT TESTED
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
486DX2-50          54.12          /2 = 13.53 MHZ      6642.00 CHR/MS
486DX2-50          52.36          /2 = 13.17 MHZ      6425.00 CHR/MS


I am writing a paper on religion and how it reflects
and or affects modern music.  This brief questionaire is summary of
the questions I would like answered.  A response is requested and
can be mailed to me directly at:

                    gtd259a@prism.gatech.edu

                   *PLEASE MAIL - DO NOT POST*

Thanks in advance,
Matt Kressel

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1.) How do you feel about groups like Diecide, Slayer, and Dio who
freely admit to practicing satanism and preach it in their songs?

2.) How do you feel about groups like Petra, old Stryper, Whitecross,
and Holy Soldier who promote and sing about Cristianity?

3.) How do you feel about groups like Front 242, XTC, Revolting Cocks,
Minor Threat, and Ministry who condone and sing about atheism?

4.) How do you feel about bands like Shelter who preach the Hare
Krishna religion and other minority(but not unheard of) religions?

5.a) Do you feel there is any difference between promoting music that
supports Cristianity and music that condones satanism?

  b) Why do you feel this way?

6.) What types of music do you listen to?

7.a) How often do you purchase music?

  b) How often does that music contain lyrics with undertones in
religion?

8.a) Do you feel that music one listens to affects the way one views
a particular religion? Religion in general?

  b) How does it affect the way you view your religion? All religions?

9.)  FEEL FREE TO ADD ANY COMMENTS HERE


I'm for the moment interested in this notion of the 'leap of faith'
established by Kierkegaard. It clearly points out a possible solution
to transcendental values. What I don't understand is that it also
clearly shows the existentialism system where any leap to any
transcendental direction is equal.

In other words I might not jump off the cliff mentioned above,
but at the same time I will decide to what direction I will go.
Actually I will do it just now.

Cheers,
Kent


Reposted by request ... these images are great, but they are also LARGE
(1500x1500 pixels is a typical size).  Be warned.

			regards, tom lane

-------------
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Newsgroups: comp.archives
Subject: [rec.arts.books] Vatican Library Exhibit at Library of Congress ONLINE
Date: 14 Feb 1993 22:02:59 GMT
X-Original-Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
X-Original-Date: 1 Feb 1993 03:09:17 GMT

Archive-name: auto/rec.arts.books/Vatican-Library-Exhibit-at-Library-of-Congress-ONLINE

This is from another newsgroup; looks quite interesting...
rms

                           ANNOUNCING
                              a new
                         ONLINE EXHIBIT
                              from
                     THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

     ROME REBORN: THE VATICAN LIBRARY & RENAISSANCE CULTURE

                        an Exhibit at the
                       Library of Congress
                      Washington, DC  20540

                 Available by anonymous FTP from
                          seq1.loc.gov
                         (140.147.3.12)

                      /pub/vatican.exhibit

ROME REBORN:  THE VATICAN LIBRARY AND RENAISSANCE CULTURE
presents some 200 of the Vatican Library's most precious
manuscripts, books, and maps--many of which played a key role in
the humanist recovery of the classical heritage of Greece and
Rome.  The exhibition presents the untold story of the Vatican
Library as the intellectual driving force behind the emergence of
Rome as a political and scholarly superpower during the
Renaissance.  The exhibit will be on display in the Jefferson
Building of the Library of Congress from January 8, 1993 through
April 30, 1993.  The online exhibit will be available by
anonymous FTP indefinitely.

     The exhibit is divided into nine (9) sections:  The Vatican
Library, Archaeology, Humanism, Mathematics, Music, Medicine &
Biology, Nature Described, A Wider World I: How the Orient Came
to Rome, and A Wider World II: How Rome Went to China.  Each
section consists of its own sub-directory within the /exhibit
directory and contains the exhibit text for that section and
separate JPEG image files for each object.  This online exhibit
includes not only objects from the Library of Congress exhibit,
but also the alternate objects (brought from Rome to be used if
there were a problem with one of the primary objects) and items
omitted later in the planning process.

     This exhibit will be of interest to Medieval and Renaissance
scholars in particular, but also to art historians, historians of
science or medicine, early music scholars, students of the
humanist movement, students of printing and the printed word,
theologians, scholars of both Far and Near Eastern studies, and
to librarians and information professionals.  Please get the
README file for details on what files this exhibit contains.  If
you have questions about how to use FTP, speak to your local
computer support person.  If you have questions or comments about
the CONTENT of the exhibit, please write to vatican@kell.loc.gov
while if you have any questions or comments on the SYSTEM please
contact me.

-- K.D. Ellis


(stuff deleted)

This sounds like what happened to my HD a month ago. My HD was stacked
with Stacker v.2.0 (I run Dos5) Suddenly everything hung up, and most of
the HD got corrupted (directories changed into unreadable files with
'funny' names). In other words: it is probably just the doubledisk part of
Dos6 that is troublesome.

I now use Stacker v 3.0, and so far I have had no trouble.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Elisabeth Bull                       e_mail: eliza@swix.nvg.unit.no


I have a PLP II laser printer make by GCC Technologies.  I have problem
with a dirty first page.  The top portion of the first is always smeared
with black toner across the page.  If I print more than one page at the
same time, the problem does not occur on other pages.  I cleaned the
printer but still does not help.  Can anyone offer any solutions?
or know the phone # to GCC Technologies?

Thanks in advance

Charles,


  Gerald, look at what happened to the Stars; they are off to Dallas.

Gerald, the Alberta election is slated fou 7 June, unless something RE?ALLY goes
wrong this time!!  Pocklington could end up being THE embarassment of Klein
if he goes ahead with his 'ultimatum'.

Gerald,  people still have an axe to grind with this guy.  I CANNOT see him staying for long.

But the people in Edmonton won't budge, trust me on this one.

Northlands won't budge ccording to one of the board members, Bruce Campbell.

I haven't heard anything, BUT attendance at the Coliseum was the lowest this
year.  HINT!!HINT!!  Remeber what I said about a personal vendetta?

Gerald, don't blame Sather.  This battle between the peole and Pocklington
started in 1986 and got WORST when Pocklington sold Gretzky.

There were days when you can shake the hand of Pocklington when he was
respectalbe( I use to do so in 1982 - 1983 season) , but those days are GOE!!

BTW, when following up, please delete name of posting writer.


    The lethality in small part, but mostly what I found frightening
was the fact that they were wielded by people who believed that they
ate breakfast every morning with Jesus Christ. Now I wasn't there in
Galilee back in the Roman occupation, so I don't know for certain that
David Koresh was not Jesus Christ, but I strongly suspect that he was
not (even aside from the fact of never having seen them in a photograph
together).

    I admit I can't cite a specific, but if there isn't a law against
purchasing grenade components and assembling them into functioning units
then perhaps we need one. All second ammendment arguments aside, I'm just
not sure that I like the idea of private citizens with hand grenades.


You might want to get a disposible flash camera, shoot the roll of film,
then take it apart (they're snapped together). We used a bunch of them
at my wedding, but instead of sending the whole camera in, I just took
the film out (it's a standard 35mm canister), and kept the batteries
(they use one AA battery). Sorry, I didn't keep any of the flash electronics.


I have not seen articles in comp.graphics.research for a long time.
Does it/he work anymore?

I have seen many conference related postings in comp.graphics,
and it is hard to believe that people have not tried to post them to
c.g.research.

If somebody has not got his article to comp.graphics.research, then
write to me or post here.


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my 14" compacq vga monitor id dead due to the transformer's failure.

if you have this part and would like to get rid of it, pls
let me know.

thanks.


But it's STILL HAPPENING.  That's the entire point.  Only last month, John
Major hailed it as a great victory that he had personally secured a sale of
arms to Saudi Arabia.  The same month, we sold jet fighters to the same
Indonesian government that's busy killing the East Timorese.

It's all very well to say "Oops, we made a boo-boo, better clean up the
mistake", but the US and UK *keep* making the *same* mistake.  They do it so
often that I can't believe it's not deliberate.  This suspicion is reinforced
by the fact that the mistake is an extremely profitable one for a decrepit
economy reliant on arms sales.

No, I thought both were terrible.


No, that's the point of evolution, not the point of "natural
morality".   Unless, of course, as I have suggested several
times already, "natural morality" is just a renaming.

But your "yes?" is actually stronger than this.    You are
agreeing that "every time an organism evolves cooperative
behaviour" you are going to call it a "natural morality."

Bee dance is a naturally developed piece of cooperative behaviour.


}It is so simple.... I'm surprised that this subject gets
}beat to death about once a month. A quick glance in a dictionary
}would clear up 99% of the confusion and bandwidth in this
}newsgroup.

Reading Stephen Jay Gould's essay "Evolution as Fact and Theory" wouldn't
hurt, either.  It appears in _Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes_.

}            Then we could talk about really important things
}like, why do men have nipples?

See Gould's "Male Nipples and Clitoral Ripples" in _Bully for Brontosaurus_.

Gee, this is easy.


I didn't know God was a secular humanist...

Kent


	Not to start *another* shaft effect discussion, but the twist you
	feel when revving sitting still is due to the larger fly-wheels that
	the BMW R-bikes (maybe K's too, dunno) use. If you whack the throttle
	at stop lights, it'll really rock the bike over (to the right).

	<snip> 	<snip>

	Please post if you come to any conclusion on this. I am thinking
	of putting a light on each cylinder guard on my R100S, and was
	wondering whether I was going to have to switch lights off every
	time I was under 5,000 RPM :-)


What, pray tell, are you putting together?  And what about costs?  And does it
have to be transparent as in totally transparent?  Or just transparent enough
to allow light from the other side to shine through?


This is really uncalled for.

You cannot expect a European, growing up in a culture of "rulers" and
"subjects," to immediately grasp the concepts of individual independence
and citizen sovereignity in the US.

He's less at fault than the countrymen we have here who also can't grasp it.
--


The patents don't apply in Canada.  I think the free trade agreement may
provide for recognition of new patents, but not old ones.


Autodesk Animator is a good tool. The one I like is Show Partner/FX. If
you want it, I could give a copy to you. I did a lot of advertising with it -
it lets you create both graphics (ANY resolution) and text frames, run it all
as a "film", you can make choices and include music - I guess that's just
what you need. If you're really interested, email me.


	I think the Blue Book is the NADA handbook for used car prices, no?
	Is the Blue Book value given the retail or wholesale value???  The
	Blue Book value isn't set in stone, though.  Low milage, extra addons
	and stuff like that there can increase the resale price of the car, you
	may want to head on over to the local library or borrow your friends
	Blue Book and read up on that sort of stuff.  I paid ~$400 under BB
	(retail) for my '87 Civic in 1990, and it was in perfect condition and
	had only ~14.5K miles on it.  The guy was desparate to sell, new kid on
	the way, etc., but it was a good price.  Remeber, both you and the
	buyer, if he has any sort of brains at all, are using the Blue Book, so
	you should pick a fair price.

				Chintan Amin
				llama@uiuc.edu


Hello all,

I know that after market sunroofs may have left a bad taste in some of
your mouths, but I am really interested in finding a "good" brand if one
exists.  Please let me know if you have heard of any makers with a good
reputation (few failures, no leaks, that sort of thing) and whether or
not you have had first hand experience with that manufacturer.  Who is
generally regarded in the industry as the "best" (price no object) maker
of power sunroofs??

--Steve


As a child i can remember picking up a centipede and getting a rather painful
sting, but it quickly subsided. Much less painful compared to a bee sting.
Centipedes have a poison claw (one of the front feet) to stun their prey, but
in my single experience it did not have a lot of "bite" to it.


Hi,

I have a HP LaserJet III for sale.  It's been printed for
less than 1500 pages according the self test report.  I
am asking $1000 for it.  If interested, please e-mail.


Isn't that just a variation of the "Achilles & the turtle" paradox, which
states that achilles could never possibly overtake a turtle?

		 	How should one deal with a man who is convinced that
		 	he is acting according to God's will, and who there-
     Jokke		fore believes that he is doing you a favour by
		 	stabbing you in the back?


: >In fact, the tradition has been passed down to their affiliate
: >in Adirondack. In Gm 6 of last yr's finals, an 8 legged creature was
: >hurled onto the frozen pond and landed right at the feet of ref
: >Lance Roberts.

: It may have been passed to Toronto, but I've even seen an octopus at
: the Aud -- last year's Bruins-Sabres game.  I knew all about the
: Detroit version, but seeing at the Aud was a bit puzzling.  :-)

I don't think it's puzzling a bit. It's called "unoriginality".

(no, i'm not bitter :)


...

Thanks for posting the exact wording which I had not seen
previously. The part I quote above seems to me to indicate
disapproval of capital punishment - it is to be used only when
other means are not sufficient; I would say this is a stronger
restriction than saying that capital punishment is useable when
justifiable. I would certainly say there are cases where a
crime justifies death (perhaps this is the Old Testament
interpretation), but my reverence for life would say that I
would oppose the actual infliction of the death penalty (a New
Testament interpretation?). It is a matter for debate whether
the death penalty works to keep the peace in a way that
non-violent provisions do not. I don't believe it does, and I
would certainly observe that in the USA, where you have the
death penalty, there is a far higher murder rate than here in
the UK, where we do not.


No.  The simple $25 style IDE controller does not use DMA.  The CPU performs
the data transfer with a string move instruction.  This requires that the
CPU stop what it had been doing and transfer the data.  Only the smart drive
controllers, be they IDE or SCSI, can transfer via DMA.  These controllers
tend to cost the same wether they are IDE or SCSI.  To get the DMA benefits,
IDE must sacrifice it's price advantage *on the controller*.

Floppies aren't on the IDE bus, your arguement makes no sense, this isn't
an IDE issue.  The floppys have their own processor on their controller
board which handles all of these commands.

The difference between IDE and SCSI is that all SCSI peripherials are
intelligent.  They each have their own controller.  They depend on the
CPU to do fewer things for them, i.e. IDE drives needing a processor
to transfer their data.

The dettach/callback mechanism alows the CPU to make requests of the
devices on the SCSI bus and then dettach and go about its business.
Later, when the device is done, it issues a callback to say that the
data has arrived or the function has completed.  Most SCSI cards will
also DMA the data into memory without the interupting the CPU, therefore
allowing it to continue working uninterupted.  IDE supports no such concept
as dettach/callback.

Can you see how this would be a win in any multitasking system?

--David Willmore

--
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willmore@iastate.edu | "Death before dishonor" | "Better dead than greek" |
David Willmore  | "Ever noticed how much they look like orchids? Lovely!" |


Could anyone give me information on Umbilical hernias.
The patient is over weight and has a protruding hernia.

Surgery may be risky due to the obesity.
What other remedies could I try?

Thanx in advance


Interstellar grains are not at all close to blackbodies.  The "large"
grains have sizes of order 0.1 micron and absorb visible light with
fair efficiency.  However, at temperatures below 100 K, 90% of the
thermal emission will be beyond 22 microns, where radiating
efficiency is poor.  (A small antenna cannot easily radiate at long
wavelengths.)  Thus the grains must heat up more in order to radiate
the energy they have absorbed.

Moreover, the IRAS observations had a maximum wavelength of 100
microns.  Grains colder than 30 K will radiate primarily at longer
wavelengths, and IRAS would be relatively insensitive to them.  In
the extreme limit, grains as cold as 5 K will be almost undetectable
by any conceivable observation.

Worse still, IRAS color temperatures are heavily contaminated by a
population of "small" grains.  These grains have only perhaps 50
atoms, and when they are hit by a single photon they heat up to
temperatures of several hundred or 1000 K.  Of course they cool
quickly and then stay cold for a while, but _when they are radiating_
the characteristic temperature is several hundred K.  Even a small
population of these grains can dramatically raise the observed
"average" temperature.

A model for local infrared emission consistent with COBE data has
three components.  These represent scattered radiation from Zodiacal
dust (color temperature 5500 K), thermal emission from Zodiacal dust
(Tc = 280 K), and thermal emission from Galactic dust (Tc=25 K).  At
the ecliptic poles, the emissivities or dilution factors are
respectively 1.9E-13, 4E-8, and 2E-5.  The first two are roughly
doubled in the ecliptic plane.

To find the thermal equilibrium temperature, we add up the dilution
factor times the fourth power of temperature for all components, then
take the fourth root.  In the table below, starlight comes from
Allen's number that stellar emission from the whole sky is equivalent
to 460 zero mag stars with B-V color of 0.75.  No doubt careful work
could do much better.  (The person who suggested starlight had a
dilution factor of E-4 must have been remembering wrong.  We would be
cooked if that were the case.  In any event, the energy density of
starlight comes out about the same as that of the microwave
background, and I believe that to be correct.)

                         Dilution   Temp.   DT^4
Microwave background         1        2.7     53
Galactic dust              2E-5      25        8
Zodiacal dust (emission)   6E-8     280      369
Zodiacal dust (scattering) 3E-13   5500      275
Starlight                  1E-13   5500       92
                                           -----
                                             797

The fourth root of 797 is 5.3 K.  Outside the Solar system, the
result would be 3.5 K.

I find these results surprising, especially the importance of
Zodiacal dust, but I don't see any serious mistakes.


I saw an ad for this and it basically is an advanced print manager...
it lets you monitor your printing more closely and comes with a bunch of
True type fonts... anyone have this? Good? Bad? Worth it?


I am setting up my DOS/UNIX box on a 116M IDE and a 412M SCSI drive
and was wondering about the use of the (MS-DOS 5.0) JOIN command.  I
like the way it sets things up since I won't have to stick with the C:
D: & E: (crap) that DOS enforces.  I like how it would mimic mount
points of UNIX filesystems.  I have heard that there were problems
with using it, or at least under older versions of DOS.  Please tell!


Intro to ACCESS.bus (RE: the ACCESS.bus Software Creator's
	Contest Announcement)

WHAT IS ACCESS.bus?

ACCESS.bus is a new open industry standard for computer
peripheral connectivity.  ACCESS.bus is a serial protocol that
uses simple, low-cost I2C technology to link multiple devices to
a single PC port.  Peripheral devices such as keyboards or
keypads, locators (Mice, Trackballs, Joysticks), printers, VR
gloves, digitizers, sensors, actuators or data transmitters and
others can be easily daisy chained to the host PC.  Applications
such as CAD/CAM, Data Acquisition, Simulation, Virtual Reality,
Multiple-Player/Single PC Games, Education and many, many more
can now take advantage of ACCESS.bus, the technology that puts
Plug and Play on every PC.

The ACCESS.bus offers advantages to end-users and developers of
systems and peripherals.  Multiple devices connect to the host
computer with only one port.  Common communication methods for a
number of device types lead to simplified hardware and software
development.  As an open standard, ACCESS.bus enables cross-
platform use of the same device.

ACCESS.bus TECHNOLOGICAL DESCRIPTION:
=====================================

ACCESS.bus technology is an open specification, enabling anyone
to implement it on host systems or in peripheral devices without
fee or royalty.
ACCESS.bus has a bus topology architecture.  That is, a single
host can accommodate up to 125 peripheral devices.  ACCESS.bus
data rate is 100 Kbits/sec.

ACCESS.bus Physical Layer
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ACCESS.bus is a serial bus architecture, based on I2C hardware
protocol, with one data line and one clock line.
Standard low-cost I2C microcontrollers handle bit-level
handshaking, including automatic arbitration and clock
synchronization.

ACCESS.bus Software Protocols
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The ACCESS.bus communication protocol is composed of three
levels: I2C Protocol, Base Protocol, and Application Protocol.

I2C PROTOCOL: This simple and efficient protocol defines
arbitration among contending masters without losing data.  I2C
provides for cooperative synchronization of bus partners with
different clock rates.  Bus transactions include addressing,
framing of bits into bytes, and byte acknowledgment by the
receiver.

BASE PROTOCOL: Establishes the asymmetrical interconnect between
a host computer and multiple peripherals.  The host becomes the
ACCESS.bus manager.  The Base Protocol defines the format of an
ACCESS.bus message envelope, which is an I2C bus transaction with
additional semantics, including checksum.
Unique features of the Base Protocol are auto-addressing and hot
plugging.  Auto-addressing assigns devices with unique bus
addresses, without the need for setting jumpers or switches.  Hot
plugging is the ability to attach and detach devices while the
system is running, without rebooting.

APPLICATION PROTOCOL: This is the highest level of the ACCESS.bus
protocol which defines message semantics specific to particular
types of devices.  Each type requires a different Application
Protocol.  Three broad device types have been identified:
keyboards, locators, and text devices.

ACCESS.bus support on the PC
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All three levels of the ACCESS.bus protocol are supported on the
PC.  An add-on card implements the physical layer and uses the
base protocol to communicate with physical ACCESS.bus devices.
An ACCESS.bus Manager - TSR under DOS and a DLL under Windows 3.1
- controls the operation of the physical layer and interacts with
the ACCESS.bus device drivers.  Drivers are available for
multiple ACCESS.bus keyboards, locators and printers for DOS and
Windows 3.1.  Also available are C language source code examples
of the interface from applications to the device drivers.

To Contact ABIG (the ACCESS.bus Industry Group):


A friend was recently admitted to North Carolina Memorial Hospital
because of suspected meningitis.  Serious business.  They wanted to do
a lumbar puncture, for which a CT scan is a prerequisite.

I arrived in her hospital room about an hour after she had returned
from the CT.   She was in tears.  Evidently the technicians in the CT
lab had been very unpleasant to her.

To begin with, they put her on the apparatus that moves you into the
machine itself, and just pushed a button to slide her straight into the
machine, without any explanation.  Imagine this.  You worried you may
have a deadly disease, and next thing you know you're being put into
this big scary machine, without a word of explanation about what is
going to happen to you.  I believe this is inexcusable.   She waved her
hand as if to say what are you doing to me, and they responded with
annoyance and anger.  Next they inserted, or tried to insert, an IV
catheter.  Apparently she has a lot of trouble with these and complained
of the pain.  The technician just stopped and fixed her with a glare
without any words of explanation.

Is there anything I can do about these pigs ?

I realize that these technicians do this sort of job day in and day
out.  And that some patients can be very irritating and uncooperative.
But this is simply no excuse.  Their purpose for existing is to help
sick people, and there is no excuse for this sort of behavior.
Fortunately my friend is fine.  But I imagine a large proportion of the
people who get CT scans are not fine at all.  They have cancer and that
sort of thing.  They don't need this kind of shit.

Also, since I named the hospital involved, I should also point out that
neither she nor I have any complaints about the competence or compassion
of any of the other personnel at NCMH.


      _The_ problem with Oort cloud sources is that absolutely
      no plausible mechanism has been proposed. It would have
      to involve new physics as far as I can tell. Closest to
      "conventional" Oort sources is a model of B-field pinching
      by comets, it's got too many holes in it to count, but at
      least it was a good try...

   So you have a plausible model for GRB's at astronomical distances?

I don't have any plausible models for GRBs at any distances ;-)

   Recent observations have just about ruled out the merging neutron star
   hypothesis, which had a lot of problems, anyhow.  We have to look for
   implausible models and what is fundamentally allowed independent of
   models.

Hmm, the "superbowl" burst has been claimed in press releases
to cast doubt on the merging NS hypothesis, from what I've read
(and I haven't seen the papers, only the press) I'd say it is
consistent with some of the merging NS models

   A paper on the possibility of GRB's in the Oort cloud just came
   through the astrophysics abstract service.  To get a copy of this

   Here is the abstract of that paper.

 ...
      indicator to these events all possible sources which are
      isotropically distributed should remain under consideration. This is
      why the Oort cloud of comets is kept on the list,
      although there is no known mechanism for generating \GRBs
      from cometary nuclei. Unlikely as it may seem, the possibility that \GRBs
      originate in the solar cometary cloud
      cannot be excluded until it is disproved.

This does not propose a _mechanism_ for GRBs in the Oort (and, no,
anti-matter annihilation does not fit the spectra at least as far
as I understand annihilation spectra...). Big difference.
That's ignoring the question of how you fit a distribution
to the Oort distribution when the Oort distribution is not well
known - in particular comet aphelia (which are not well known)
are not a good measure of the Oort cloud distribution...


#|> #
#|> #False dichotomy.  You claimed the killing were *not* religiously
#|> #motivated, and I'm saying that's wrong.   I'm not saying that
#|> #each and every killing is religiously motivate, as I spelled out
#|> #in detail.
#|>
#|> Which killings do you say are religously motivated?
#
#For example, I would claim that the recent assassination of four
#catholic construction workers who had no connection with the IRA
#was probably religously motivated.
#
#|> At the time
#|> of writing, I think that someone who claims the current violence is
#|> motivated by religion is reaching.
#
#What would you call is when someone writes "The killings in N.I
#are not religously motivated?"

I'd say it was motivated by a primitive notion of revenge, and by
misguided patriotism.  Otherwise, I'd have to wonder how come mainland
catholics are not killed by mainland protestants, and southern
catholics are not killed by southern protestants, and so on.  Take away
all plausible causes bar religion, and the violence diminishes markedly.
Gee, why _is_ that?

#|> Now, it's possible to argue that
#|> religion *in the past* is a major contributing factor to the violence in
#|> the present, but I don't know of any evidence that this is so - and I'm
#|> not enough of a historian to debate it.
#
#Given that the avowed aim of the IRA is to take Northern Ireland
#into a country that has a particular church written into its
#constitution, and which has restriction on civil rights dictated
#by that Church, I fail to see why the word "past" is appropriate.

The country also has a different official language written in its
constitution (and vice versa :-) - maybe they're motivated by a love of
Irish poetry.  Your argument is fallacious, jon.

For what it's worth, I agree with all that you say about Ireland above,
and more.


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What is MTEZ? A dealer? A repository? Any details?

--
Penio Penev  x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu


But of course, it is expected that umpires will show up players.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the nature of the game, but I just
believe that a little ego-ectomy for the umpires would make the game
much better.

Ted

--
"Social nags and body bags, make you dead, what a drag drag drag."
-- Saigon Kick, body bags, The Lizard


# #From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:
# #
# #    Male sex survey: Gay activity low
#
# Note this contradictory title-  Gay Activity Low.

Not really.  The percentage of gays was low.  Headline writers aren't
noted for accuracy.

# #    A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough
# #    examination of American men's sexual practices published since
# #    the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2
# #    percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and
# #    1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
# #
# #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.
# #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.
#
# #It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for
# #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically
# #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are.
# #--
#
# Now let's take a quick look at what you are saying.
#
# The median of a distribution is that variate-value which divides the
# distribution halfway, i.e. 1/2 of the distribution (population) have
# lower and half have higher variate-values.
#
# So for Males 20-39 the median=7.3, this means that half of these men
# are higher than this and half are lower than this.  Now if the population
# sample size is 3300, and 1% of them are gay, 33 males are gay.  If we

Actually, 2% were either exclusively homosexual, or bisexual.  You aren't
readiing very carefully.

# say they are distributed equally then only 16.5 are greater than 7.3
# sexual partners, of course, this means that 49.5% heterosexual men are
# greater than 7.3.
#
# Interesting results.


to widgets:
application code
to a
action to do this, processing any events afterwards.
sequence
events
the

Use a workProc.  See XtAppAddWorkProc(3Xt).

You should split your drawing routnie up into small chunks (this
is the hard part).  Then, in the callback that starts the drawing,
you call XtAppAddWorkProc() to call your workProc the first time.
Your workProc should be a function that returns a boolean...
TRUE when you are finished, and FALSE when you want to keep
processing.  If you return FALSE, the workProc is automatically
re-installed.

Note that this method is better that using a time-out loop, since
events get processed in a more precedence-oriented manner.  If you
are using the same Ada bindings I am, however, you are hosed, and
should look into XtAppAddTimeout(3Xt).

----------
Joe Hildebrand
hildjj@fuentez.com
Software Engineer
Fuentez Systems Concepts
(703)273-1447


And just where is the evidence for this? FBI sayso. The Texas Medical
Examiner refuted 2 of their lies today.

Let me put you in a building, pump in CS, knock the walls down around
you and see how fast you find an exit.

I don't know why either, you're willing to swallow everything fed you.
Good boy.

Oh a Clinton apologist, why didn't you *say* so.

The kgBATF was expecting a quick victory while the cameras rolled,
however, they were the only ones with a script.

Hey, you're the apologist, *you* tell us.


I have a couple applications for high speed data links
1__replacement of ultrasonic signal coaxial cables with fiber optic cable
2__applying fiber optic slip ring for 16 channel ultrasonics inspection
system for CANDU reactor inspection
3__remote data link from ultrasonic pipeline inspection device including
transfer of 16 channels via microwave or other higher speed transfer of
ultrasonic data from remote inspection head.

I would be happy to share sources...other info as acquired.
Please mail me or post here.
.....this is a long term upgrade over the next years _+


I asked some simple questions at different occations. I don't understand why
some people insulted me for those SIMPLE questions!
Anyway, I didn't reply to them with the same language and I won't, because

1. There is no need
2. There is no benefit
3. I don't have time  to reply to those garbages

By the way, do you want to know who am I? I am not a NATIONALIST Arab of 1967.
 I am not a COMONIST Arab of 70's. Are you sure that you want to hear
 my name? I am a MUSLIM FIGHTER. I am the same child who
fight with your armed soldier with stone! I am the same guy who wants to
bring JUSTICE to Palestine, I am the same fighter who wants to kicked Israel
out of south Lebonon in the same way of the  1982. I am the son of KHOMEINI.
I am honored to be a HEZBULLAH.... Don't you know me!!!? Just ask Rabin
he knows me!

Hamid


1993 World Championships in Germany:
 ====================================

  Group A standings (Munich)            Group B standings (Dortmund)
  --------------------------            ----------------------------

             GP  W T L  GF-GA +/-  P                  GP  W T L  GF-GA +/-  P

  Canada      5  5 0 0  31- 4 +27 10    Czech republic 5  4 1 0  17- 4 +13  9
  Sweden      5  3 0 2  17-14  +3  6    Germany        5  4 0 1  20-12  +8  8
  Russia      5  2 1 2  15-12  +3  5    USA            5  2 2 1  14-10  +4  6
  Switzerland 5  2 0 3  11-14  -3  4    Finland        5  2 1 2   7- 7   0  5
  ----------------------------------    -------------------------------------
  Italy       4  1 1 2   7-19 -12  3    Norway         4  0 0 4   1-13 -12  0
  Austria     4  0 0 4   3-21 -18  0    France         4  0 0 4   6-19 -13  0

 April 18:  Italy - Russia        2-2       Norway - Germany          0-6
            Sweden - Austria      1-0       USA - Czech republic      1-1

 April 19:  Canada - Switzerland  2-0
            Russia - Austria      4-2       Finland - France          2-0

 April 20:  Sweden - Canada       1-4       Czech republic - Germany  5-0
            Switzerland - Italy   0-1       Finland - USA             1-1

 April 21:                                  Germany - France          5-3
            Italy - Sweden        2-6       Czech republic - Norway   2-0

 April 22:  Switzerland - Russia  0-6       USA - France              6-1
            Austria - Canada      0-11      Norway - Finland          0-2

 April 23:  Switzerland - Austria 5-1       Germany - Finland         3-1

 April 24:  Russia - Sweden       2-5       Czech republic - France   6-2
            Canada - Italy       11-2       USA - Norway              3-1

 April 25:  Sweden - Switzerland  4-6       Finland- Czech republic   1-3
            Russia - Canada       1-3       Germany - USA             6-3

 April 26:  Austria - Italy                 France - Norway		20:00

 PLAYOFFS:
 =========

 April 27:	Quarterfinals
		Sweden - USA						15:30
		Russia - Germany					20:00

 April 28:	Quarterfinals
		Canada - Finland					15:30
		Italy/Switzerland - Czech republic			20:00

 April 29:	Relegation
		A #5 - B #6						15:30
		A #6 - B #5						20:00

 April 30:	Semifinals
		A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2					15:30
		A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3					20:00

 May 1:		Relegation						14:30
		Bronze medal game 					19:00

 May 2:		FINAL							15:00


HELLO,
I HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH MY DIAMOND STEALTH LOCAL BUS GRAPHIC CARD.
WHEN I TRY TO START WINDOWS MY SYSTEM STOP AND DISPLAY:
"NO FREE FILES HANDLES,CANNOT LOAD COMMAND,SYSTEM HALTED"
IT'S PERHAPS A BIOS SETUP PROBLEM BUT I'M NOT USED TO MY AMI-BIOS SETUP
IF SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN ME;HOW TO SETUP SHADOW VIDEO ROM, OTHERS
SHADOW ROM ,AND ALSO HOW TO CONFIG THE TWO "ADVENCED ... SETUP"
FOR A BEST UTILISATION OF MY GRAPHIC CARD.
THANKS FOR ANY ANSWER.
CH.ROBERT


Has anyone considered how to prosecute a city holding a "no
questions asked" buy-back for receiving stolen property?


	Considering what you quoted and refered to was blank, I must say:
touche!

	Of course, you are correct, there is no atheistic mythology employed
on this board. Or, if there is, it is null and void.

---

Private note to Jennifer Fakult.

        "This post may contain one or more of the following:
         sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware
         of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be
         confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume
         all of the above.


ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229
CONDITION: mint
AGE: 1 year old
PRICE: $300

ITEM: Sony CDP 770
CONDITION: excellent
AGE: 2.5 years old
PRICE: $250

Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have
only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you
are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail
(pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home.

Thanks,
Pete
(412) 687-3735


I'm a 2600 hacker from The Old Days.  Let's see how much trouble I can
get into by telling you what you want to know...   ;-}


Dale sez;

I don't buy it.  If the things had no value at all, people wouldn't
spend money to make them. So their lack of value is just your
opinion, not an actual fact, which is neither a philisophical or
legal basis for prohibiting them.

On the other hand, I lived in OakBrook IL for a while, where zoning
laws prohibit billboards, as you mention above.  I think it was a
fine law, despite it's contradictory basis.

I would guess that the best legal and moral basis for protest would
be violation of private property.  "I bought this house, out in
the boondocks, specifically to enjoy my hobby, amateur astronomy.  Now
this billboard has made that investment worthless, so I want the
price of the property, in damages."  It wouldn't take too many
succesful cases like that to make bill-sats prohibitively expensive.

-Tommy Mac
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk   \ They communicated with the communists,
18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \ and pacified the pacifists. -TimBuk3


Now available: xvertext 5.0
---------------------------

Another day, another xvertext release...

Summary
-------
xvertext provides you with several functions to draw strings at any angle in
an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text).

What's new since 4.0?
---------------------
o Existing bitmap fonts can be magnified to give reasonable fonts at large
  sizes.
o Bounding boxes can be obtained.
o The GC's stipple bitmap is honoured.
o Font IDs can be cached when font names are unavailable.
o An Imakefile is present.
o The demos are better (including a ransom note like the
  comp.sources.postscript one)

Where can I get it?
-------------------
comp.sources.x (soon...)
export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.5.0.shar.Z  (now)


I need to make a power supply that can take input from a
cigarette lighter in a car (12v dc) and drive 7.5 volts
at up to 3.0 amps. I know enough to know that a simple
voltage divider with two resistors won't do it right. Can
such a thing be made from Radio-Shack-able parts without
too much difficulty?

jps
bf

p.s. I've looked for premade things like this at radio shack but
none of it seems to go any higher than about 800mA.


Yes, but that's because interstellar grains are very poor radiators, not
remotely black bodies.  As a consequence they are a lot warmer than the
"ambient".

When I was in graduate school, a long time ago, we used 10,000 deg K with
a DILUTION FACTOR of 10+4 for representative values of the radiant energy
background in the galaxy due to starlight.


--
Kevin makes a good point here, and when that theists miss all-too-often.  That
is, the belief in a diety is not necessarily coupled with agreement/love of
that diety, so really they have yet another bit of convincing to do just beyond
belief.
I guess the standard argumet goes something like: well, once you believe in
God, you know God is love, and you will choose to love him-- if it wasnt so
widely accepted and asserted it'd be laughable...

best regards,

--Adam


Subject: Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians
From: Satya Prabhakar, prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu
Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 15:50:31 GMT
BIGOTRY"
Muslims,

This kind of racialist generalization is utterly inappropriate.  SOME
Bosnian Muslims cooperated with the Nazis in World War 2.  Other Bosnian
Muslims risked their lifes to hide Jews from the Nazis and Ustashe, and
those Jews who survived the war remember that.  In fact the Jewish leader
in Sarajevo has remained there saying he wants to repay the debt to the
Bosnian Muslims that saved so many Jewish lives in WW2.

Similarly, SOME Serbs are "doing" to Muslims now. This is a group of
serial-killers, rapists, and thieves who have control of the vast
Yugoslav army arsenal.  Many other Serbs oppose these atrocities.  As one
of Serbian heritage who condemns emphatically the genocide being carried
out against Muslims by both HVO and Mladic forces, I condemn your
generalization about Bosnian Muslims and about Serbs.

 This is not a fresh case of

Every place on earth is the scene of a saga of mutual hatred and
destruction.  The holocaust was not a "fresh case."  It was another
chapter in a 900 year history of attacks on Jews in Europe.  That didn't
make it acceptable. and Balkan history does not make the genocide against
Bosnian Muslims acceptable.

Not taking sides in this

Standing by and allowing well-armed criminals to slaughter Bosnian Muslim
civilians, while enforcing an arms embargo against the Bosnian Muslims is
not only religious bigotry it is direct complicity in mass-murder.

 It could just

You tell us a region on earth that does have a long history of war.  NATO
is the largest military "police force" in the world.  It was not
"helpless."  It could have stopped the carnage a year ago.

Regards,

Mike.


Pitchers are required to pitch (or feint or attempt a pick-off)
within 20 seconds after receiving the ball, not 15.

Pitchers are required to pitch their warm-up throws within a
one minute time frame, beginning after each half inning ends,
not two minutes.

And the reason why a reliever should be allowed warm-ups is
simple: Different mound, different catcher.

Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine


Sure. It has caused my wife to conclude that I am totally insane, not just
partially:-}

Usually I just lift the left hand off the wheel and wave thru the
windshield. Damn near the same motion as on the bike:-}

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil


It's public because it belongs to everybody.  It's vandalism because many people -- power companies -- do maliciously waste light.  If they can sell you
or your city or your state an unshielded light that wastes 30 to 50 percent
of its light, they make more _money_.  Never mind that your money is wasted.
Never mind that taxpaper's money is wasted.  Never mind that the sky is ruined.

Bob Bunge


Not only have I not heard of the Western Business School, or the University
of Western Ontario, I've never even wondered if there WAS a western
Ontario.  And judging by the quality of the posts coming from there, I'm
still not sure that the place exists.

Perhaps I should be impressed, though, since it appears that grade school
children in that area have access to the Internet.


:
: >You might -- except that gay men are MUCH more promiscuous than
: >straight men -- which shows how damaged and screwed up gay men are.
:
: Okay Claytoon, let us say that hypothetically I agree with you that
: gay men are much more promiscuous than straight men.  Why does
: this indicate they are screwed up people?
:
: BTW - It occurs to me that since, in my experience, men are much more
:       interested in sex than women and want to have sex much earlier
:       in a relationship than women do, that homosexuals would have
:       sex more often simply becuase their partner is of a like mind.
:       i.e. heterosexual men would be more promiscuous if they could.

It's my observation that women are more likely to me more strongly
indoctronated into now wanting sex that are men.
Also there are definite double standards for men and women who are
promiscuous.

Could there also be a factor of communication being more direct in
homosexual relationships and culture.

--


   >Qualcomm had spare cycles in the DSPs for their new CDMA digital
   >cellular phones. They wanted to put strong crypto into them since they
   >had the capacity. The government decided to "discourage" them.

   You're blowing smoke.  Qualcomm wants to sell to nice, lucrative overseas
   markets like Japan and the EC.  The government told them "don't do encryption
   if you ever hope to export this technology".  The reason that CDMA doesn't
   have encryption is NOT because the G-men came a'knocking at Qualcomm's door.
   It's because Qualcomm doesn't think that the US market for digital cellular
   is big enough for them.  This is just the International Traffic in Arms
   Regulations all over again.

Perry has already stated on the net that Qualcomm wanted to sell overseas, and
the government told them they wouldn't be allowed to export,
so he's only blowing the same smoke you are :-)
Sure, they probably could have made a US version, and a non-crypto
export version, and contracted with a Bulgarian or Japanese software house to
develop an overseas crypto ROM, but that's getting pretty expensive.

   No, Cylink sells their phones because they're willing to make different
   stuff for domestic use vs. export.  Qualcomm isn't.  So Cylink makes
   money--that's capitalism, comrade.

Well, some people like capitalism, and others prefer free enterprise;
they're different!  Using the government to stifle your competition is capitalist.

   >Someone out there WILL build a unit to do all this. Better yet,
   >prehaps someone will produce a package that turns any 486 box with a
   >sound card into a secure phone.
   "Someone" this and "someone" that.  If you think it's so easy, why are
   you whining on the net instead of getting your butt in gear and writing it?

Writing good crypto code is something most good programmers can do;
writing good new crypto algorithms is a very specialized skill.
Developing new voice coding algorithms is also pretty specialized,
but finding ways to implement the more complex ones when you don't
have enough horsepower is still fairly hairy stuff.
Once the 586/Pentium becomes widespread, or the next generation of
sound boards has DSPs on it, I suspect we'll see it happen.
Maybe the vanilla 486+Soundblaster is enough.


Wing ding XV will take place in Louisville, Kentucky from 15 June-18 June.
For more info, or to register, contact GWWRA, P.O.Box 14350, Phoenix, AZ,
85017, Tel. (602) 269-1403.

--


....

Thanks for posting the references. I do not normally read t.p.m.,
and I posted my request for references because Jim's article
was cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish. Allegations of Jewish
disrespect for the objects and buildings of other religions are
one of antisemitic stereotypes that permeate western culture, and
rumors of church and Host desacration probably caused more pogroms
than blood libel. The stereotypes that pervade our culture create
cognitive illusions that reify those stereotypes. Therefore any
claim that appears to reify a stereotype should be treated by
decent people with utmost suspicion until and unless documented.
If such a claim is cross-posted to a news group in which it has
not been documented before, such as s.c.j, a reference should be
given the first time it appears.  Now that the claim has been
documented, I regard the whole episode as disgusting and
shameful. Especially so because the official who failed to
provide proper temporary facilities for the evicted Jordanians
was probably Jewish, and as a Jew I know that he should have
known better.


What sadist brought up this vein about Malarchuk?  When I saw what
happened I wanted to throw up, and at the same time I was devastated,
since I thought that Malarchuk wouldn't survive.  BTW, I believe he picked
up an alcohol problem after (before?) the incident.

To radically change the subject, the Caps must be having nightmares about
the Isles in overtime in the playoffs.  Have they *ever* beaten the
Islanders in a playoff OT game?  This is lunacy.  The Caps are such a
sorry team in the playoffs, they consistently choke against opponents who
they should be beating.  Losing two OT games in a row is not coincidence,
it's evidence of the choke factor.


NCD just announced a new generation of PC-Xview. They
changed the name a little though and I can't remember
exactly... PC-Xsomething.


[...]

The President is not competent to plan or judge the planning of such a
raid, nor does he need to be.  His job is to set basic policies and
manage the people under him.  If Clinton instructed Reno to preserve
lives, and if she confirmed that the plan for the raid was a safe as
could be, then he did his job.  The President should not involve
himself in the minor details of these kinds of operations.  This sort
of micromanagement only leads to disaster, as was demonstrated so well
in Vietnam.

But the raid went bad:  Over 80 civilians have been killed in a
controntation with U.S. authorities.

NOW Clinton enters the picture in a big way.  Will Clinton start an
investigation?  Or will he try to squash any attempt to investigate?
Is he a responsible leader?  Or is he only interested in protecting
the image of his administration?

We'll all find out as this unfolds.
--


I think its a great, but idealistic idea. A reseacher will first of all try
to publish a worthy paper in a credible, professional magazine and not in a
community like USENET which is infamous for lots (not all) of junk
information. The papers that will be "published" here will, in general, be
of low quality. Also, it is improbable that any credit will be given to a
researcher who publish here - and sadly, that is nowadays a main reason for
publishing.

USENET is great for informal discussions and free exchange of ideas - keep
it like that. A new, specialist group is just not worth it.


Well, this is *only* a guess:  If it goes by the "true" meaning of "bit
map", then it holds (x,y,c) where x pixel number in th ex-direction, y:
pixel-number in the y-dir, c: colour.


To: All

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I heard they were posted somewhere, but I can not find them.

Please e-mail location.

Thanks,
	-Jody

--
Jody Hagins -- hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com
Data General Corporation, Linthicum, MD


......

When did Koresh go on a rampage?

What I saw was an unnecessary, unprovoked massive attack on Feb. 28th.

Probably even an illegal action by ATF, certainly way out of proportion
to anything reasonable.

And yet, according to a pole taken yesterday, 95% of the people poled
believe the government forces acted appropriately.  They don`t believe
Reno or the President have any guilt in ordering/allowing the attack.

I suppose they also believed things like:
"I would present a 5-year plan to balance the budget."
"We don`t need to lead with a tax increase...."
"It starts with a middle-class tax cut..."
"I`ll have the bills ready the day after I am inaugurated and we`ll
have a 100 day period....It will be the most productive in modern history."
"I will ask congress for a line item veto.."
"I will lift the social security earnings test.."

I personally prefer to disbelieve the government until they prove themselves
right, rather than the other way around.  That way I have a better than
50% chance of being right about my first guess!

Read the constitution sometime, it is supposed to protect the citizens
and their rights.  I am sick of the abuse of government power.


Can some kind soul point me to references for the above formats?

Thanks,


Um, I sortof hesitate to bring this up, but owning even a single share
entitles you to attend the annual shareholders meeting, and under most
corporate charters to introduce topics to be discussed.  While I *don't*
suggest the tactic used by some in Japan (go to the shareholders meeting,
and disrupt the bejeezus out of everything), what about a well-worded
resolution complaining about "advocacy journalism"?


According to MacWeek of 2-22-93:

The Cyclone will come in the same metal minitower case as the Quadra
800, while the Tempest will share the low-slung case of the Centris
610. Apple will offer a miniature video camera that can be mounted
above the user's monitor or moved about on the end of its cable to take
pictures of objects or documents. Taking advantage of the 32-bit
digital signal processor (DSP) built into the systems' logic boards,
the camera will be able to put an image measuring 360 by 288 pixels,
with 256 gray levels, on the screen.

Users will be able to install supplementary lenses that can record
detail as fine as the wire bonds on an integrated circuit. The camera
is expected to cost between $150 and $250.

The systems will ship with all the software needed to put Apple's
Casper voice-recognition technology to work; users apparently will have
to purchase an operational high-fidelity microphone.

The two models will talk as well as listen. A new system facility
called the Speech Manager will convert text strings sent by
applications to phonemes and then pass them to a speech synthesizer.

The Cyclone will include a 40MHz '040, three NuBus slots and support
for up to 128MB of RAM. The Tempest will use a 25MHz LC040, lacking an
FPU, and hold up to 68MB of RAM; it will have a single slot that will
require a NuBus adapter and have room for only 7-inch NuBus cards.
Users will be able to update the Tempest's process but not the
Cyclone's.


I posted a message here some time ago asking why my mouse was so jumpy.
Well, I think I know why, and it doesn't have anything to do with the
mouse.  It seems to be the video driver!  Here's why I think that:

A few weeks ago I helped a guy install the driver for his S3 video card for
windows.  He had been using the normal Windows default VGA driver.  We don't
have the same kind of mouse (mine is microsoft serial and his is an off-
brand serial mouse).  His mouse worked fine until I installed the S3 (v1.4)
driver on his system, then his mouse became really jumpy too!

Is there anything I can do?  I need high resolution since I display LOTS of
stuff on my screen (AMI Pro, Pegasus Mail for Windows, WP Office 4.0 --
sorry, nondisclosure!, and alot more).  I noticed there are S3 drivers on
ftp.cica, but they are the same version that I already have and they are no
help (I already tried!).

---
Sean Eckton
Computer Support Representative
College of Fine Arts and Communications

D-406 HFAC
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT  84602
(801)378-3292


Jasen Mabus
RPI student

	I am looking for a hman brain in any CAD (.dxf,.cad,.iges,.cgm,etc.) or picture (.gif,.jpg,.ras,etc.) format for an animation demonstration. If any has or knows of a location please reply by e-mail to mabusj@rpi.edu.


I imagine that was the MKS Toolkit, from Mortice Kern Systems.
Another third party add-in, and a good one too.


I believe that that would be the same as a system error #64. Since there is no
error #64, then I would guess that it would be a -64 error. Which is a font
manager error of "error during font declairation".

I would assume that the system that's on the floppy that you are trying start
up on has a corrupted font in it, or something like that.

Mario Murphy


Let's put it this way, they have a charter and several executive orders
to obey, among other things which *explicitly* prohibit sharing this
information (unless things have changed withing the last little while).
I suppose they could ignore it, if they choose.  But I doubt they would.
For an authoritative look at the NSA, get Bamford's "The Puzzle Palace".
That's all I can say.


       Your ignorance is showing.  The BATF warrant was unsealed.

       The entire operation was illegal from day ONE.


[some big deletions]
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Another in a string of idiotic generalizations.  Gad, I'm surprised I got
this far down in the post.  I guess some just like seeing their names up on
a CRT.

Like me :-)

Phil Trodwell


Actually, I just think he's confused.  *I'm* going to hell because I'm Gay,
not becuase I don't believe in God.

(I wonder if that means I can't come to Tammy & Deans picnic?)


Try using Laser printer/copier paper, it works quite
well and is cheaper than HPspecial paper.


Are you sure you want to include Chalcedon here?  I presume that you
mean the description of Jesus as fully human and fully devine.  Almost
everyone would consider the majority of Copts and Armenians, and the
Jacobites, as Christians, yet for 15 centuries it has been maintained
that they disagree with the Formula of Chalcedon.  Those that wouldn't
consider them Christians are most likely to object that these communities
don't require a personal commitment to Jesus, which is only tangentially
related to the Formula of Chalcedon.
--
Thanks, John Kolassa, kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu


In light of the 100 letter over "What was the LISA" I thought I'd start a
new one.  What was the IIvx?  I hear it was some machine that predated the
main 040 line by about 6 mos, but used obsolete tech.  Rumor has it that
several were sold....


hi folks
i have a 386 25 mhz and now i'm buying a new 486
first question) which is the best way to share hard disks
and printer
p.s. my two pc will be far about 10 meter and i like to use
a parallel port or ethernet card and i like to share resource
under dos linux os2.1 and windows 3.1 & nt

2) which 486? i think to buy 486 dx2 50mzh local bus
  but i heard that some board coulnd't work properly
  cause some incompatibilites is that true?

  should a 486 dx 50 mhz a better solution

  in case i buy local bus it's better to buy an accelerated
  svga card with a normal local bus ide controller
  or it is better to buy a local bus svga card non accelerated
  with a normal ide controller?

  3)  is there any accelerated local bus and possibly true color
      svga card? at which price?
  4) i need to buy a cd which is the cheapest that is able to read
     musical photo kodak and computer cd rom
     i have heard about a sony and a mitsumi which is best?
     and which controller work with its?


Why should he have to?  This sort of thing should be included.  How about
the millions of people who don't have access to pd libraries over networks?

Just because people can work around it, doesn't mean that something shouldn't
be done to remedy the situation.


On all 1.44Mb drives (both Mac and PC), the disk spins at a constant
RPM.  On 800k Mac disk drives, the spin rate of the disk is varied so
that the tracks pass under the head at a constant speed; a slower rotation
for the outer tracks, and a faster rotation for the inner tracks.  A PC
needs special controller hardware to make this happen.


I have not seen this book, though I have had several people quote it in
support of some tendentious assertions they were making, so I have become
curious about it.

I don't want to malign this Hislop fellow, whoever he may be, as I have only
heard the arguments at second hand, but both of the arguments seemed to turn
on false etymology that SEEMED to be derived from Hislop.

I would be interested in knowing more about these things.

The first one claimed that the word "church" was derived from the Greek
"cyclos", and that it was therefore related to the worship of "Circe".

I don't know if Hislop is the source of this assertion, but it does seem to
be based on false etymology.

The second claimed an etymological relationship between "Ishtar" and
"Easter", which seemed to be even more fanciful and far-fetched than some
of the wilder notions of the British Israelites.

Regarding the latter, as far as I have been able to find out, "Easter" is
derived from the old English name for April - "Eosturmonath". The Venerable
Bede mentioned that this was associated with a goddess called "Eostre", but
apart from that reference I have not been able to find out anything more
about her. It also seems that the term "Easter" is only used by the English
and those they evangelized. The Germans, for example, also use the term
"Ostern", but Germany was evangelized by English missionaries.

So I would be interested in any evidence of "Easter" being used for Pascha
by people who do not have any kind of connection with the ancient Anglo-
Saxons and their offshoots. Such evidence might support the claims of those
who appear to derive the theory from Hislop.


On the subject of the upcoming new Mustang:

The car magazines have printed a lot of information about the new Mustang
and the consensus about what to believe in my "car circle" is that the
suspension pieces and tuning will be almost identical to the current
Cobra, but on a stiffer body structure which will improve its behavior.
After the MN12 (Thunderbird) cost and weight debacle, Ford decided
independent rear suspension with rear wheel drive won't be tried again in
a volume car.

The current 4.9l V-8 will soldier on for about two years.  A version of
the 32 valve modular V-8 in the Mark VIII could be offered then.  Ford
is spending big money tooling up for 2.5l and 3.5l V-6 engines which will
power most of their cars in the immediate future, and therefore probably
do not consider volume production of 300 hp V-8 engines a priority.

Undisguised, the car looks OK, but not nearly as exciting as the new
Camaro/Firebird, IMO.

I suspect Ford will produce their car with higher quality than GM will
achieve with the Camaro/ Firebird.  The way GM loses money, the temptation
to "just get them out the door" for the sake of positive cash flow will be
great once demand really takes off.


fuchs@tsar.princeton.edu (Ira H. Fuchs):
the
the
using


Hmm, depends on how you define 'clean'. Jordan implemented the system
dependent stuff in a way that you have basic implementations for,
call it, operating system types, then you go ahead and write a include
file for your specific machine or operating system using the basic
implementations. Since both Jordan and I haven't encountered a
OS flavor yet, that is fully POSIX, we haven't gotten around to
really implement (and test) a top-level include file specifically
for just posix. The posix routines are used in the sun specific file
tty_sun.i for example, but here we also use some bsd stuff. All in all
it still is probably better to implement a include file for each and
every operating system than '#ifdef'ing in existing ones. The type
of mess that can result from that can clearly be seen in the xterm
sources. Even if quite a bit of code gets copied almost unchanged a
couple of times, this only uses up some disk space, since only the
"drivers" actually included from the toplevel include file will be
compiled into emu.

It shouldn't be hard to come up with a tty_linux.i file that fully
relies on the posix stuff, but unfortunately I don't have a linux
system available to me, so I can't do the port myself. I would suggest
you read the README in term/sysdep and if you have any problems or
questions, contact me and we could try to sort this out. Unfortunately
we have to rely on help from the net on this part of emu, since we
just don't have access to that many different systems.

Michael


Pat Myrto says if law enforcement wants keys, let them get a court order and
then ask him for them.

Most use of probably cause wiretapping warrants isn't to decrypt historical
traffic, but for prospective listening once probably cause is established.
Pat's approach would tip off the crooks.

David


                                                         ^^^^^^

Pardon my ignorance of foreign currency and exchange rates, but what is a
quid, how does it relate to the British Pound (or whatever it's called)
and what is that in American Dollars??? :-)

Thanks!


Remove LEGEND from the V-8 list, it's a 6.


:
:
: "Numerical Recipes in C"..Fortran..Pascal  has a nice section on
: encryption and decryption based on the DES algorithm.  There is
: also source code provided (I think some versions of this book are
: distributed with the source code on disk; the source code can
: also be ordered from the publisher).
:
: --Victor Iseli
: victori@xetron.com

Yes I benchmarked the DES implementation in the Recipes in C
book.. it is about 1 1/2 orders of magnitude SLOWER than the
Outerbridge/Karn/Gillogly/et al implementation.

It may be instructional, but it isn't very fast.


I do.
Yesterday.

Seriously, Countess Ada of Lovelace gets the credit.  She first used
it in the late 80s.  Her bike:  the spokeless wonder.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919


Owieneramus. Always has to stick his 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' made nose into
every discussion with non-points and lies. Well, still anxiously
awaiting...

Source: Cemal Kutay, "Ottoman Empire," vol. II., p. 188.

"The atrocities and massacres which have been committed for a long time
 against the Muslim population within the Armenian Republic have been
 confirmed with very accurate information, and the observations made by
 Rawlinson, the British representative in Erzurum, have confirmed that
 these atrocities are being committed by the Armenians. The United States
 delegation of General Harbord has seen the thousands of refugees who came
 to take refuge with Kazim Karabekir's soldiers, hungry and miserable,
 their children and wives, their properties destroyed, and the delegation
 was a witness to the cruelties. Many Muslim villages have been destroyed
 by the soldiers of Armenian troops armed with cannons and machine guns
 before the eyes of Karabekir's troops and the people. When it was hoped
 that this operation would end, unfortunately since the beginning of
 February the cruelties inflicted on the Muslim population of the region
 of Shuraghel, Akpazar, Zarshad, and Childir have increased. According
 to documented information, 28 Muslim villages have been destroyed in the
 aforementioned region, more than 2,000 people have been slaughtered,
 many possessions and livestock have been seized, young Muslim women
 have been taken to Kars and Gumru, thousands of women and children who
 were able to flee their villages were beaten, raped and massacred in the
 mountains, and this aggression against the properties, lives, chastity
 and honour of the Muslims continued. It was the responsibility of the
 Armenian Government that the cruelties and massacres be stopped in order
 to alleviate the tensions of Muslim public opinion due to the atrocities
 committed by the Armenians, that the possessions taken from the Muslims
 be returned and that indemnities be paid, that the properties, lives,
 and honour of the Muslims be protected."

Serdar Argic


-Allergy medicine, huh?  Is this just to get rid of the resultant migraine or
whatever, or does it actually suppress allergic reactions? (i.e. like an
antihistamine does?)  As far as doctors over here are concerned, if you slip up
and eat something you're allergic to (even if they won't test you to tell you
what to avoid) then tough; if a _cheap_ medicine will alleviate your symptoms,
then fine, otherwise you just suffer.  One doctor did prescribe me imigran (costs
the NHS #48 for 6 tablets) after having to rehydrate me because I'd been throwing
up for four solid days and couldn't even drink water - but I got taken off it
again when I moved and had to change doctors.  Reasoning: they did not know what
the side-effects were because it was new.  OK, fine - but it has passed the
safety tests to get on the prescription list, and anyway I was prepared to take
the risk to have quality of life now.  The only alternatives I have is to get it
prescribed privately, which I cannot afford, or to pay a private allergy
specialist to test me and tell me what to avoid.  I am fairly certain I am
allergic to more than one chemical additive, as a lot of things I can't eat have
nothing in common except things I know are safe, so testing myself isn't really
an option; there are too many permutations.


Is the sending of encrypted traffic without government permission legal in
New Zealand?

David


Well I agree with you in the sense that they have no "moral" right to inflict
these rules, but there is one thing I might add: at the very least, almost
everybody wants to avoid pain, and if that means sacrificing some stuff for a
herd morality, then so be it.

Right, and since they grew up and learned around us, they have some idea of our
right and wrong, which I think must, in part, be incorporated.  Very rarely do
you see criminal behaviour for "philosophical reasons"

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--

best regards,

--Adam


It seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes
due to the tragedy. As such it maybe fills a need, however I'm
getting tired to see children dying in pain in Sudan due to lack
of food, and assuming that God takes these sufferers to heaven
after a painful death.

Cheers,
Kent


-> >->
-> >-> For those who still doubt what is going on, this is
-> >-> from the still uncensored AP wire:
-> >->
-> >-> Two journalists from Houston arrested at gun-point and
-> >-> cuffed and jailed for taking pictures of the compound today.
-> >-> Later released on bail, but cameras and film were confiscated.
-> >->
-> >-> jh
-> >
-> >	You could work for CNN.  Take a few lines from a story and
-> >imply something with it but don't say what you really mean.
-> >
-> >	The police always close off the area around a major crime
-> >scene to keep evidence from being disturbed
->
->     By taking pictures?

	They leave foot prints, they may drop some trash on the
ground, and they may pick up something that looks interesting.

->
-> >, and it is a misdemeanor
-> >to enter the closed off area.  One of the photographers also quickly
-> >spun around with a long lens camera while the officer was approaching,
-> >a good way to get shot.
->
->     Well, that (hopefully) depends on what country one is in.

	It has nothing to do with the country.  You are coming toward
someone in an area where there has been violent confrontations, and
one guy spins around quickly with an object that looks like a gun.
Police are not trained to stand there and let someone gun them down.

-> There was also no indication in that story
-> >that they wouldn't get their cameras and film back after getting out
-> >of jail.
->
->     Once goverment agents have had an opportunity to check
->     the film out.

	You're making statements that are not supported by facts.
Don't let paranoia get the best of you.  Wait to see if the reporters
don't get their film back or they get it back developed before
screaming conspiracy.

->
->     I think it was Barry Goldwater who once said "the goverment
->     that is big enough to give you everything is big enough to
->     take everything from you."  You life and/or freedom including.
->     Of course, that could not happen to you, could it?

	Our government is not big enough to give you everything,
despite the efforts of people like Bill Clinton.  Taking a statement
like that and thinking `everything done in the name of law enforcement
is wrong' is simple minded and ignorant of history.  A government is a
necessary evil, and we must decide what it should be allowed to do
based on facts, history, and not by baseless claims.