There were a great many Germans, Poles and others who did not
sympathize with the victims of the Holocaust but instead participated
with enthusiasm in the killing.

The Holocaust wasn't a massacre, it wasn't even killing for sport; it
was an entire Industry of Death.  German engineers, architects
technicians and bureaucrats proudly put their best efforts into as
efficient and methodical a Killing Machine as they could devise and
operate.  And it certainly was something extraordinary.

Please don't bleat to us about how the Nazis suffered from the
Holocaust.

  All Jews suffered during WWII [...]
was "correct" him with:
  All humans suffered [...]

So what WERE you implying?

Are we supposed to thank you for your generosity?
Or should we be pleased with your minimal common sense?

Why is it that when someone writes something simple like "All Jews
sufffered during WWII" that YOU feel the burning need to add
commentary?  Regardless of what people write, you keep trying to twist
things into what YOU want to hear.  People with similar tendencies in
more extreme form are sometimes called Historical Revisionists.  Is
this something that you aspire to?


I don't think there is a general distinction.  Rather, there are
two classes of chronic hepatitis: chronic active hepatitis and chronic
persistent hepatitis.  I can't think of any other disease where the
term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic.

Much as these two terms "chronic active" and "chronic persistent"
sound fuzzy, the actual distinction between the two conditions
is often fairly fuzzy as well.


And here is the first patch :-) The following fixes some problems with the
Imakefile files and makes it possible to compile xv-3.00 under Solaris without
having to use the ucb stuff:

*** 1.1	1993/04/28 06:05:03
--- Imakefile	1993/04/28 08:20:35
***************
*** 209,215 ****
  OBJS4=	xcmap.o

  PROGRAMS= xv bggen vdcomp xcmap
!

  #if defined(HaveJpeg) || defined(HaveTiff)
  #  ifdef HaveJpeg
--- 209,218 ----
  OBJS4=	xcmap.o

  PROGRAMS= xv bggen vdcomp xcmap
! all::
! 	@echo ""
! 	@echo "  Did you remember to 'make depend' first?"
! 	@echo ""

  #if defined(HaveJpeg) || defined(HaveTiff)
  #  ifdef HaveJpeg
***************
*** 222,238 ****
       SUBDIRS = tiff
  #  endif
  #  define PassCDebugFlags
     MakeSubdirs($(SUBDIRS))
-    DependSubdirs($(DUBDIRS))
  #endif

  all::
- 	@echo ""
- 	@echo "  Did you remember to 'make depend' first?"
- 	@echo ""
-
- all::
  	@echo "  building xv ..."
  	@echo ""

--- 225,236 ----
       SUBDIRS = tiff
  #  endif
  #  define PassCDebugFlags
+ #  define IHaveSubdirs
     MakeSubdirs($(SUBDIRS))
  #endif

  all::
  	@echo "  building xv ..."
  	@echo ""

***************
*** 259,267 ****

  SRCS = $(SRCS1) $(SRCS2) $(SRCS3) $(SRCS4)
- DependTarget()

  AllTarget($(PROGRAMS))

  NormalProgramTarget(xv,$(OBJS1),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
  NormalProgramTarget(bggen,$(OBJS2),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
--- 257,269 ----

  SRCS = $(SRCS1) $(SRCS2) $(SRCS3) $(SRCS4)

+
  AllTarget($(PROGRAMS))
+ DependTarget()
+ #ifdef IHaveSubdirs
+    DependSubdirs($(SUBDIRS))
+ #endif

  NormalProgramTarget(xv,$(OBJS1),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
  NormalProgramTarget(bggen,$(OBJS2),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
*** 1.1	1993/04/28 08:33:13
--- xv.h	1993/04/28 08:19:31
***************
*** 284,292 ****
--- 284,298 ----

  /* signal macros */
+ #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV)
+ #define HOLD_SIG         sighold(SIGALRM)
+ #define RELEASE_SIG      sigrelse(0)
+ #define PAUSE_SIG        sigpause(0)
+ #else
  #define HOLD_SIG         sigblock(sigmask(SIGALRM))
  #define RELEASE_SIG      sigblock(0)
  #define PAUSE_SIG        sigpause(0)
+ #endif

  /* default for most folks */
***************
*** 318,323 ****
--- 324,333 ----
  #define random  rand
  #define srandom srand
  #endif
+ #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV)
+ #define random() rand()
+ #define srandom(x) srand(x)
+ #endif

*** 1.1	1993/04/28 06:09:50
--- xcmap.c	1993/04/28 07:09:03
***************
*** 9,15 ****
--- 9,19 ----

  /* include files */
  #include <stdio.h>
+ #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV)
+ #include <string.h>
+ #else
  #include <strings.h>
+ #endif
  #include <ctype.h>

  #include <X11/Xos.h>
*** 1.1	1993/04/28 06:17:41
--- tiff/Imakefile	1993/04/28 08:53:34
***************
*** 49,59 ****
--- 49,69 ----

  tif_compress.o: Imakefile

+ #if HasGcc
  g3states.h: mkg3states.c t4.h
          -${RM} g3states.h
+ 	${CC} -traditional -o mkg3states ${CFLAGS} mkg3states.c
+         ./mkg3states > g3states.h || rm g3states.h
+ #else
+ g3states.h: mkg3states.c t4.h
+         -${RM} g3states.h
          ${CC} -o mkg3states ${CFLAGS} mkg3states.c
          ./mkg3states > g3states.h || rm g3states.h
+ #endif

  depend:: g3states.h

+ clean::
+ 	-${RM} mkg3states g3states.h
+
  DependTarget()


Because riding a passenger doesn't really depend on the type of bike.
The things you want a passenger to do/not do is the same.  Ergo, if he's
asking advice, I reasoned he doesn't have much practice, period.  If
you say he does, fine.  I still wouldn't take the uninitiated up a
road that's all switch backs and reverse/center/uncrowned roadway, not
to mention the BDCs and squids who will also be on that particular
road.  He asked for advice, and even though it wasn't what he meant,
I still consider it some of the best I've read.


I have an external drive connected to my IIsi.  This is never
recognized and mounted on system startup.  I can mount it with
the SCSI control panel.  I'm running system 7.0.1,  and everything
is properly terminated.  Would anyone have a helpful idea at to
the problem?


On a similar note, a good friend of mine worked as a clerk in a
chain bookstore.  Several of his peers were amazing, one woman in
particular:

A customer asked her if they had _The Autobiography of Benjamin
Franklin_.  "Who's it by?" was her first question.  Then, "Is he
still alive?"  Then, "Is it fiction or non-fiction?"

Finally my friend intervened, and showed the guy where it was.

It makes one wonder what the standards of employment are.


Krishna.

BG10:20(Miller) I am the self abiding in the heart of all creatures; I am
their beginning, their middle, and their end.
BG10:32(Miller) I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of
creations, Arjuna; of sciences, I am the science of the self; I am the
dispute of orators.
BG10:41(Miller) Whatever is powerful, lucid, splendid, or invulnerable
has its source in a fragment of my brilliance. (42) What use is so much
knowledge to you, Arjuna? I stand sustaining this entire world with a
fragment of my being.
BG11:32(Miller) I am time grown old ...


To: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)

 RT> o  Those administering the treatment do not know which subjects
 RT> receive a placebo or the test treatment.

It seems to me that many drugs have such severe side effects that
it might not be possible to keep the doctors from knowing who is
getting the true drug.  This is especially true of the drugs used
for "mental" illnesses.


Why are circuit boards green?  The material used to make them goes by two
names.  If it is used to make circuit boards it is called FR-4.  The same
material is used in the cryogenics industrya and marine industries as a
structural material and is called G-10.  FR-4 and G-10 are both green.  They
are not green because of a solder masking agent.  The basic ingredients are
a clear epoxy resin and glass fibers.  I am not sure what the specs are on
the resin, but if you are really curious you can call NEMA (National
Electronics Manufacturing Association) or Ciba Geigy (a major manufacturer
of epoxy resins) to find out.  As an aside, I occasionally mix clear epoxy
and glass microsphres to cast small structures for cryogenics experiments.
The proportions of glass to epoxy are about the same as in G-10.  They are
the same green color.


We're NOT???! Hell, I was wondering why there was all the pointless woffle
about motorcycles.


T.S.Reddy writes

While the people here may be claim to be Muslim, the actions reported here,
if they actually happened, are 180 degrees opposite from what Islam stands
for, and I, for one, condemn them.
--


(Whatever the above comment has to do with the hazards of fighting a
fire in the midst of ammo cooking off...)
Maybe the fire department was loudly complaining the whole time about
being diverted from their other duties, and the FBI said "FIne. Go home
and we'll call you if we need you."  A million things could have happened,
we don't know.

BTW, this is the first time I have heard that the Waco FD was on scene
for all but the last 2 days...  what's the source (out of curiosity)?


I suppose for the same reason Jews call the Occupied Territory, Judea and
Sumaria.  It's called propaganda and if you repeat lies often enough,
people start to believe it.


FOR SALE

                 1945 King Feature Syndicate
                 Jaymar Specialty Company
                 200 Fifth Avenue New York, NY

                 Cardboard puzzle - NO BOX
                 Pieces worn from use
                 NO MISSING PIECES
                 Size: 13 3/4 inches by 21 1/2 inches
                 60 Puzzle Pieces

   Puzzle depicts Dagwood, Blondie, the kids, and dog Daisey with her
   puppies on a picnic with Dagwood and Alexander trying to get
   a fishing line out of a tree.


acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Turin Turambar, ME Department of Utter Misery)
said re. Dan Schaertel's article [if I followed the quoting right]:

I think it may also be worthwhile pointing out that if we
take the appellation `Rabbi' seriously then Jesus had a full
grasp of contemporary `scripture'

Mat21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures...

Mat22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing
Mat22:29 the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Following from this, he would have been in a wonderful
position to fulfil prophesies, and the NT says as much:

Mat26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled,
Mat26:54 that thus it must be?

Mat26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the
Mat26:56 prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples
Mat26:56 forsook him, and fled.

If the books comprising the referred-to `scripture' had not
been accessible then it probably would be a different
matter.


This whole discussion is just a religous war.  I'd rather have a '93 RX-7
than the Mustang 5.0L for 3 times the price.  That's how you explain
Porsches selling.  Some folks would rather have the Stang...

<shrug>

Sean


   Dandridge Cole and Isaac Asimov collaborated on a book titled,
"Habitable Planets for Man" (I think) in 1964.  It should be available
in most good libraries, or through inter-library loan.

   It answered the questions you ask (speculatively, of course), along
with many more that need to be considered in habitability studies:
length of day (for day/night temperature variation, and agricultural
concerns), partial pressures of certain unexpected gasses (ever hear of
xenon narcosis?  neither did I), density of particulates in the atm, and
their composition (ever hear of silicosis?  not much fun), etc.

   Climate isn't a global phenomenon and probably needn't concern you,
but axial tilt ought to.  It plays a large part in determining the
severity of seasonal differences, and a lesser but still significant
part in determining the speed of prevailing winds.


Thanks. Got that from two other sources as well. The full quote is as
follows:

From Dorothy Denning, CRYPTOGRAPHY AND DATA SECURITY, Addison-Wesley
1982,1983, page 8:

"Cryptosystems must satisfy three general requirements:

"1. The enciphering and deciphering transformations must be efficient for
all keys.

"2. The system must be easy to use.

"3. The security of the system should depend only on the secrecy of the
keys and not on the secrecy of algorithms E [enciphering] or D
[deciphering]."

--Mike


Uh, Bob, why is the battery warmer than ground temperature?  On the time
scales in question, and with the considerably reduced temperature swings
several feet underground, there isn't going to be any major temperature
difference between the battery and what it's sitting on.

Because the temperature of your hand, *unlike that of the battery*, is
determined by the balance between internal heat production and external
heat loss.  You're feeling the greater rate of heat loss from an object
(your hand) which is kept much warmer than its surroundings.  In the case
of an object with no significant internal heat production, this will
affect how quickly it comes into equilibrium with its surroundings (if
it started out not in equilibrium with them) but won't affect the final
temperature.

For the same reason, windchill affects whether you will freeze but not
whether water will freeze.


xIf you put a locking lugnut on your tires, do you need to have your
xtires rebalanced??
x
xJohn Mas
x
xE-Mail Address     ::     MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM

Since the wheel/tire is balanced off the car i.e. the lugnuts are
not normally involved, how would they do that? I would think that
since the lugs are so close to the center of rotation any slight
difference in weight between a normal lugnut and a locking one would
not have any noticable effect on the balance. I could be wrong, it *is*
Friday afternoon.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1)
David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|


I would like to see a serious discussion on the best way to install windows
from a Novell administrator's point of view.

I just got off the phone with MS Access support and was told that they
(Microsoft) has decided to implement, as a standard for software support,
the LOCAL setup (described below) as the "most advantageous installation".
If this is true and Microsoft deems this to be the most prudent installation
then I will comply but I'd like to hear it from administrators first.

The LOCAL Windows Installation:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Windows is fully installed on each workstation hard drive (assuming the
resources are available).  From a network administrator's implementation,
he/she would install all windows disks on a network drive using SETUP/A.
Then install windows on a per/machine bases by running SETUP off the network
to install the complete system on the local drives.  In this way, all drivers
are available to the SETUP procedure w/o the need to change disks.

Advantages:
- Reduce Traffic - Running Windows locally reduces network traffic due to
  the local access of main Windows files.
- Network independence - If the network fails (and they all do at one point
  or another), the local installation would allow users to keep producing
  and reduce the cost of down-time.
- Faster Windows - Theoretically, Windows will run faster from a local hard
  drive than over a network.  This may be a hard point to prove if the network
  has an optical backbone and/or the network drives are significantly faster
  access than local ones.
- A user traveling from machine to machine does not need to worry about
  varying setups (monochrome, color, types of mouse, etc...) since the
  Windows installation is assigned to the Workstation.

Disadvantages:
- Cost - Installing Windows locally requires a significant amount of disk
  space.  Workstations now must be purchased with a hard disk that can
  increase the cost of the workstation from 10 to 30 percent.
- Administration - Local windows installations are very difficult to
administer.
  New drivers for peripherals are constantly being made available, each of
  which would have to be individually installed on each workstation.
- Security - Users now have access to erase or corrupt their own system
  files from simple ignorance.  This could result in quite a headache for
  administrators who may have to constantly repair damaged installations.
- Backup - We all know the problems backing up local hard disks.  The backup
  sets (if done via a centralized tape system) get very large very quickly.
  Backup individually (to floppy) may not happen at all.  This may be
  eliminated if it is assumed that local hard disks only contain replaceable
  applications and *not* user data.

The SHARED Windows Installation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Windows is fully installed to a network disk via the SETUP/A procedure
described above.  Users (or administrators) then install a minimal set of
files to individual "user" directories.  These directories may be on a
local hard disk or perhaps a network "home" directory.  The bulk of the
Windows system files are maintained on the network in a single directory
(some 400+ files) and are accessed (shared) as-needed by users throughout
their Windows session.  The user's files consist of a small set of files
that the user has updated during his/her Windows session.  These include
group files, .INI files and other regularly updated files.

Advantages:
- A single location for all files makes updates to drives easy.  As
  an updated driver becomes available, it only needs to be installed in this
  single directory for all users to be able to take advantage of it.
- Assuming that the users' files are maintained in network (home) directories,
  the administrator can easily edit any .INI file as-needed to correct
  problems that may arise.  This includes WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI.
- Backup of all pertinent files is done easily.  Even if the users' files
  are on a local hard disk, the bulk of the Windows system is backed up with
  all driver updates.

Disadvantages:
- Network traffic - since all Windows files are being shared in a network
  directory, traffic on the network can become a problem an effect the
  speed of Windows.
- If the network crashes, all production comes to a stop since Window's
  is reliant upon the network for its files.  Loss of data usually occurs
  as well since users working in Windows at the time of the crash will
  usually not be able to save their work.
- Although minimal, disk space is still a consideration.  If the users' files
  are maintained on the network, a large number of users can cause a
  significant utilization of disk space due to their personal Windows
  files alone.
- Users cannot easily move from machine to machine unless the workstation
  hardware are similar.  This is due to the Windows installation being
  tied to a particular username (in the case of Network user files).

The Discussion
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I would like to know, from other administrators with a large Windows
userbase, how they prefer setting up Windows.  Personally, I have
setup numerous installations using the SHARED setup.  All Windows and
application files are on the network with little or no utilization of
local hard disks.  In fact, I sold a network on the fact that the
company would no longer need to purchase hard disks for their workstations
and thus save that much more money.

I would also like to see recommendations for applications.  Should
apps such as Word and/or Excel be installed locally regardless of how
Windows is installed?  Again, I keep all files on the network for easy
backup and administration but this is "putting all eggs in one basket";
if the network crashes, work comes to a halt.


...

Regarding the first paragraph, I would say that I didn't write it. I
don't believe that unbaptized babies are put in Hell. I don't even
believe in Hell. At least, I don't believe in a fiery place where
there will be "gnashing of teeth".


I caught the tail end of a piece on NPR (National Public Radio) about
Chomsky.  Apparently there is a new documentary about him and his
concepts on the propagandist news media of the West, or some such.
The funny thing is that NPR painted Chomsky and the documentary in
such a positive light, or at least ended the report in a positive way.
The documentary is just now showing in a few cities in the US, and
will open in more cities in June.  Sorry, forgot the title.


	My feeling on baptism is this:  parents baptize their baby so that the
	baby has the sanctifying grace of baptism (and thus removal of original
	sin) on its soul in the event of an unexpected death.

	That is, the parents speak on behalf of the child which is too young
	to speak on its own.  This should not surprise anyone:  don't parents
	*always* do what they believe is the best for their baby?  Why would
	that apply to the baby's physical needs only but not his/her spiritual
	needs to have God's grace?

	The purpose of confirmation is for the baby (now young adult) to
	decide to re-affirm for himself/herself the promises that his/her
	parents made at baptism.  That is where accepting Jesus into your
	heart comes in.  In baptism, the parents ask Jesus to come into their
	baby's heart; at confirmation the child repeats that request
	independently.


An '82 FT500 Ascot was my first bike--I recommend it.  If anyone's
interested, mine's for sale.  It's in LA currently, with a bum
starter and around 10k miles.  I'd like a couple hundred for it.


  Precisely my position.

  As a newbie, I tried the point-by-point approach to debate with
  these types.  It wasted both my time and my lifespan.  Ignoring
  them is not an option, since they don't go away, and doing so
  would leave one with large stretches of complete anonymity in this
  group.

  What's left?  Healthy flaming.  I'm sure on occassion I've
  appeared to be little more than a caustic boob to some of the
  Bobby types.  But why waste breath arguing with someone whose most
  rational though process involves his excretory system?

  And I stand by my record of recognizing these people long before
  most of the rest of the group.  So let's see what this Timmons
  character has in store for us...

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


Hi,

I am using xdm on X11R5 with OW3 and Xview3 on Sun3s and SPARCs running
SunOS 4.1.1.  Prior to using xdm, I used to set PATH and other environment
variables (like MANPATH, HELPPATH, ARCH, etc) in my .login file.  With xdm,
the .login file doesn't get executed and therefore neither the olwm
root-window nor my applications know about these variables.

I used the "DisplayManager._0.userPath" resource in /usr/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config
to succesfully pass the PATH variable.  But I am having problems passing anything else!!!  I tried execing $HOME/.login in /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession
but that didn't help.  I also tried using
	"DisplayManager.exportList: HELPPATH MANPATH ARCH"
which didn't work either.

I would appreciate any help on this matter.

Thanks in advance,
Shash


I am sure some bashers of Pens fans are pretty confused about the lack
of any kind of posts about the recent Pens massacre of the Devils. Actually,
I am  bit puzzled too and a bit relieved. However, I am going to put an end
to non-PIttsburghers' relief with a bit of praise for the Pens. Man, they
are killing those Devils worse than I thought. Jagr just showed you why
he is much better than his regular season stats. He is also a lot
fo fun to watch in the playoffs. Bowman should let JAgr have a lot of
fun in the next couple of games since the Pens are going to beat the pulp out of Jersey anyway. I was very disappointed not to see the Islanders lose the final
regular season game.          PENS RULE!!!


Maddi: >>

No, no, no!  I've already been named by "Killfile" Keith.
My nickname is Maddi "Never a Useful Post" Hausmann, and
don't you DARE forget it, "Half".

You really should quote Ivan Karamazov instead(on a.a), as he was
the atheist.

--
Maddi Hausmann                       madhaus@netcom.com
Centigram Communications Corp        San Jose California  408/428-3553


What makes you say that the guns were illegal?? I understand that the BD's
had a valid Class III Federal Firearms Permit, which would allow them to
have pretty much anything short of a howitzer legally.


My comment was off the top of my head; I wasn't aware that it had
already been thought of.  Guess it's true that there's nothing new under
the sun (or in this case, the flying billboards.)

--


NO! I'm running both at home. Ok, to the cumpter is turned off right now but I
did boot BSD/386 from an IDE drive, most of the system is on a SCSI drive...

I'm using an Adaptec 1542B and a no-name el-cheapo IDE card.

Guy


	The first and only thing I've ever tried to auto-trace was a piece
of a USCG nautical chart using Adobe Illustrator 3.2.  I wanted to get the
outline of the coast for Western Long Island Sound.  I was simultaneously
suprised at how good a job it did and disappointed at how poorly it did.  I
suspect what I gave it was a very difficult thing; not only is the coastline
very irregular, but overlaid on the chart are numerous sets of gridlines
(not only lattitude and longitude, but loran grids as well).  The most
common mistake it make was whenever the coastline was roughly parallel and
tangent to a grid line, it would take off following the gridline instead of
the coast.  I think the best improvement would be some sort of interactive
algorithm that would let you step in and say "no, dummy, you're going the
wrong way".

	Steve Reisberg, a friend of mine a few years back(*), did his
doctoral work analysing electron micrographs of filimentous phage (virii).
A good chunk of the work was writing a program to take a digitized
micrograph and automatically trace the centerline of the virus particles.
This is essentially the same problem that Illustrator tries to solve with
its auto-trace tool.

	In some respects the problem Steve worked on was harder, since he
was trying to do quantitative analysis of the virus structure and finding a
good centerline was only the first step, but a step on which all future
analysis depended.  However, in other respects, it was an easier problem
since the program could be written with a lot of knowledge about what the
virus particles were supposed to look like, and the analysis could be
restricted to those particles which happend to be relatively straight,
clean, and well imaged; you don't always have that freedom auto-tracing real
life images.  In any case, it gave me some insight into just how difficult
this problem is to solve in the general case.

	(*) Steve is no longer with us.  He and his wife disappeared while
on vacation in Hawaii a couple of years after they graduated.  Their last
known location was hiking in a densely wooded in a mountainous area.  While no
bodies were ever found, they are presumed to have been the victim of some
sort of fall or accident in the woods.


Hehehe!  Dontcha just love these carefully constructed arguements?

Clayton, babe, please define the word `molest`.  Are you using a legal
term or a proper dictionary term?  Molest, as far as I can remember, means
`to do damage to person(s)`.  My mate, Mike, was lured into a woman's parlour
when he was 14.  Is that molestation?  A number of my friends (straight) lost
their virginity before that.  Were they 'molested'?  They told me that they
thoroughly enjoyed the experience.  I see no damage.

Please stop pushing your objective morality on others.  If you push, people won't
fall over and say 'Ye gads, you're right!', they'll just push back.

Have you signed up for that logic course yet?


Where can I get documentation about the X-Server-Internals?
BTW, I'm also interested in documentation about TIGA.

Any hints welcome.

Thanks, rainer.


It is the new command with Dos 6 that allows you to erase your directory and
all the files in it, without first erasing the individual files.

--


I asked him, and Don Cherry denies being Roger Maynard and he denies
any knowledge of Usenet. :-)


Perhaps Iranians are not Arabs even not-so-strictly-speaking ?


I've been getting seemingly random disk accesses on my Centris 610
with a Quantum 240 LPS, but this is NOT the regular recalibration it has been
doing since I got it....  This is sometimes short, sometimes long, accesses
that sound like there is some read/writing going on.
	I have SAM 3.5, and Disinfectant 3.0, but neither picks up anything..
Any ideas?


I am trying to obtain a HI-FI copy of Guns N' Roses pay per view last
summer from Paris.  If anyone has a copy they would like to sell, or
could make me a copy, please e-mail me.  Thanks


I use those routines in a widget which only redraws exposed areas.
here's a small piece of code that uses those routines

static void Redisplay(pw, ev, region)
XtpManagerWidget pw;
XExposeEvent *ev;
Region region;

/* pp->exposure_region is an XRegion */
XtpManagerPart *pp = &pw->plotter;
pp->exposure_region = XCreateRegion();
   /* region is passed via an expose event */
if(region == NULL)
{
if (ev->send_event)  /* synthetic event sent by widget it wants a full redraw*/
        {
        exporect.x = pw->core.x;
        exporect.y = pw->core.y;
        exporect.width = pw->core.width;
        exporect.height = pw->core.height;
        }
     else
        {
        exporect.x = ev->x;
        exporect.y = ev->y;
        exporect.width = ev->width;
        exporect.height = ev->height;
        }

stuff deleted

/* region now contains the exposure region */
        XUnionRectWithRegion(&exporect,pp->exposure_region,pp->exposure_region);
}
else
        XUnionRegion ( region, pp->exposure_region, pp->exposure_region);
stuff deleted
/* WE NEED to CLIP on EXPOSE REGION for REDRAWING the GRID */
        XSetRegion(XtDisplayOfObject(pw), pp->plotarea_gc,pp->exposure_region);
stuff deleted
        /* check to see if child is exposed */
        if (XRectInRegion (pw->plotter.exposure_region,
                         child->core.x ,
                         child->core.y ,
                         child->core.width  ,
                         child->core.height ))

So, I build up a region of exposures so that when I service my container
widget redraw of rectobj children, I only redraw what need to be redrawn.

It works for me, hope this helps you.
Brian


No, MIS folks have infinite budgets of death, and they also get parts
of their budget allocated "upgrades", "maintenance", and "new purchases",
and a lot of IBM mainframe purchases are actually "leases" and so
is the software.

Basically, the engineers who have tight budgets, i.e. the coders and
designers of a company, bitch and moan when they drop 15,000 on a
Sparc 1 only to see a faster machine appear a year later.  MIS types
upgrade once every 5-10 years, and their costs are amortized and
depreciated over a longer period, and the budget office justifies
the expense because they actually use the machines for accounting,
payroll, etc.

Now, if the budget office was dependant on the engineers for some
reason like payroll and accounts, you'd sure as hell see every
engineer with a new Cray on his desktop every year. :-)


	Human infants do have bown fat deposits while adult humans are
believed not to have brown fat.
	Also while brown fat may play an important role in rousing
hibernators, it is definitely not limited to hibernating animals -- it
is a common energy source for nonshivering thermogenesis.


[ Questions deleted ]

Does any one know what the PAS16 SCSI port is? I counted the pins on the board
displayed in their ad and it only got 40! What happened to the other 50?

Did they junk a whole bunch of grounds or what?

Guy


All right, listen up....  What are the possibilities of transmission through
swimming pool water?  Especially if the chlorination isn't up to par?


"Personal gain": for his own monetary advantage.  I don't think
anyone would dispute that he both violated his oath of office, and
abused his powers.  But that's not for personal gain.


Take a look at WinQVT/net -- the latest version is QVT/net 3.4
It comes in versions that are direct to packet driver, as well as a PC NFS
version.

It is priced quite low; registration = $40, student registration = $20, and is
a nice package -- comes complete with VT220 terminal emulation, FTP, POP3
client, LPR, and NNTP client.

You can FTP it from "biochemistry.bioc.cwru.edu" /pub/qvtnet/qvtnet34.zip

It was also uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu recently.

Ashok


Haven't we wasted enough bandwidth on this silly discussion already!!
[Please no flames -- let sanity prevail]


About 2 years ago, there was a lot of noise about a Church in the Old
City of Jerusalem being taken over by a Jewish group.  In fact, the
building in question was a dormitory that belonged to a church and was
not physically connected to any church.  It had been leased to a
Palestinean Arab for 99 years and a Jewish group sub-leased it from
him.  The church that owned the building disapproved and legal action
was started to revoke the sub-lease.  The media, however, made it look
like Jewish vigilantes were stealing Church property in Jerusalem by
force.

The damage has already been done by the press in the above case.  It
is not surprising by now, of course, that many "decent people" regard
the press "with utmost suspicion".

You appear to be referring to Moshe Dayan.  How do you know that the
"evicted Jordanians" were not provided with something else?  In fact,
this thread indicates that they were squatters on land that they did
not own but received compensation for their loss, anyways!  Woe to
Jews when they feel that recovering land that has been taken from them
by force (with "ethnic cleansing" of any remaining Jews) is
"disgusting and shameful".


Hooray, I hear on TSN that the Jets have won a game, Selanne
getting a hat-trick!

Of course, here in GOD'S COUNTRY (read Ontario!) I couldn't
see that game, nor any other in the VAN-WPG series so far,
because our beloved CBC figures no one out here cares about
this series (which has looked pretty competitve so far...

On Monday and Wednesday nights, CBC could have shown the Toronto-
Detroit game, done the news, then picked up Winnipeg-Vancouver.
They didn't.  Tonight?  You guessed it, Toronto-Detroit, the
news (not the end of the Jets game), then Calgary-LA.

SO, if it's "Hockey Night in Canada", why can't this Ontarian see
one of the two series with two Canadian teams?  Is this too much to
ask?


Selling:

Coleco Base Unit with:
 2 Controllers
 1 Atari Game Adapter to Play Atari games
 12 games (Ms. Pac Man, Smurfs, etc..)

Will ship COD

Price$: MAKE AN OFFER


# Mr. Cramer, I am still waiting for your response to my requests regarding
# the information you claim to have.  I respectfully request that you either
# provide the information or withdraw the various assertions you make below.
#
# Item number 1:  in a previous posting, you stated that you had found
# "overwhelming support for child molestation" in soc.motss:
#
# You have (finally) responded to this one.  I have read your complete file
# of postings to soc.motss and to put it bluntly, it does not support your
# assertion.  In short, this claim is bogus.  Thank you for confirming this.

All those postings in defense of adults having sex with children, and
you just choose to claim that they don't say anything of the sort.
There's no point in discussing this any further, then.  You are clearly
a liar, without morals of any sort, prepared to justify child molestation.


I posted on here about a problem with a Datadesk 101e keyboard that
failed to rebuild the desktop with the command-option keys pressed
or to shut off inits when pressing the shift key.  After absolutely
no help from Datadesk I called MacConnection tech support.  They tried it out
on their Centris 610 and had the same problem.  They immediately offered
to get a new keyboard, try it on their Centris and ship it to me
overnight if it worked.  I could send them my keyboard back after I
got the one that worked.  This is from a guy in Tech support named Dave.
It turns out that the keyboard will wrok if you wait for the smiley face
before pressing the shift key to disable inits and wait for the inits to start appearing to rebuild the desktop by pressing command-option.  I really like
this keyboard so I was glad to be able to keep it.  On the other hand,
Datadesks tech support sucks while MacConnection's is great!
-Terry


On the other hand, I'm hard pressed to think of any other real mistakes
Fereirra made.  Imagine indeed, but then again we have the benefit of
hindsight.

Let's say that in the view of the Sharks' upper management, the attempt
to trade Kisio was a major factor in the decision to fire Feirerra.
I'm inclined to take exactly the opposite view:  they should have kept
him...he's obviously the luckiest man in hockey!  (Wonder what
sacrifice he made to the Muse of Fax?  (His job, I guess.))

have fun
gak


Well, I am placing a file at my ftp today that contains several
polygonal descriptions of a head, face, skull, vase, etc. The format
of the files is a list of vertices, normals, and triangles. There are
various resolutions and the name of the data file includes the number
of polygons, eg. phred.1.3k.vbl contains 1300 polygons.

In order to get the data via ftp do the following:

	1) ftp taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
	2) login as anonymous, guest as the password
	3) cd pub/dabro
	4) binary
	5) get cyber.tar.Z

Once you get the data onto your workstation:

	1) uncompress data.tar.Z
	2) tar xvof data.tar

If you have any questions, please let me know.

george dabro
dabro@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
--
george dabrowski
Cyberware Labs


Someone once sold heated motorcycle grips via mail order.  The were
aftermarket replacement grips that had the heating elements mlded into the
grip itself.  Wires ran outside of the bars, from the grips to a switch and
finaly the battery.  Cycle Magazine tested them YEARS ago and liked them.
Dunno if they are still made.  Might check with the snowmobile racers.

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----


Or perhaps David Koresh didn't listen too well??  Just because mistakes
were made does not mean the President *lied*.


Precisely, why not Cuba??  Why not???  The Hatians are being ruled by thugs
and their elected leader has asked support to reestablish the peoples will.  If
the U.S. or any other democracy wishes to, they are in the perfect right to
help them without any whining from thir parties.  After all if it turns out to
be colonialism and the poeple don't like it, they' find a way to throw them out.

Who ever said people who commit genocide have the right to commit genocide??
I want a world where criminals agains humanity have no place to hide, while you
want special sovereignties designed to protect them.  Nobody has the right to
commit crimes against humanity, and if they do they loose all right to self
determination.  If this is classical colonialism, then so be it.


Oooo,I hope it's nothing like I had on my Seca turbo.
I had locked up the back wheel and forgot about it.
When I took off I heard a 'clunk', but I just drove away
leaving the lock broken on the ground.  Real security
in action.


Your Price	List Price
						==========	==========
	C Memory Management Techniques		$22.00		$32.95
	Len Dorfman &
	Marc J. Neuberger
	(Includes disk)
	1993

	Borland C++ Handbook			$18.00		$29.95
	Second Edition
	(Covers version 3.0)
	Chris H. Pappas &
	William H. Murray, III
	1992

	Converting C to Turbo C++		$18.00		$29.95
	Len Dorfman
	(Includes disk)
	1992

	The Art of C				$22.00		$39.95
	Herbert Schildt
	(Includes disk)
	1991

	Using Turbo C++				$12.00		$24.95
	Herbert Schildt
	1990

	C : The Complete Reference		$18.00		$28.95
	Second Edition
	Herbert Schildt
	1990

	Using C++				$12.00		$24.95
	(Version 2.0)
	Bruce Eckel
	1989

	Advanced C				$9.00		$21.95
	Herbert Schildt
	Second Edition
	1988

	High Performance Interactive Graphics	$8.00		$22.95
	Lee Adams
	(Examples done in BASIC)
	1987

	High Performance CAD Graphics in C	$10.00		$26.95
	Lee Adams
	1986

	PCTools the Complete Reference		$15.00		$29.95
	Second Edition
	(Versions 7.0 and 7.1)
	Hy Bender
	1992

	DVORAK'S Inside track to		$20.00		$39.95
	DOS and PC Performance
	John Dvorak &
	Nick Anis
	1992

	Advanced Quick C  2nd Edition		$9.00		$22.95
	(Version 2)
	Werner Feibel
	1989

	WordPerfect : The Complete Reference	$12.00		$24.95
	Series 5 Edition
	Karen L. Acerson
	1988

	Using Ventura Publisher			$8.00		$24.95
	QUE
	1988
	(This book covers the first version, but)
	(it might be good for newer versions too)

	Using OS/2				$8.00		$19.95
	Kris Jamsa
	1988
	(This book is for version 1.x, obviously)

	Using Generic CADD  Levels 1-3		$10.00		$22.95
	Ray C. Freeman III
	1989

	I will pay shipping.
	(Only in the USA)


Doesn't anybody actually read the licence agreement of WinBench
before blindly running it? The licence agreement very clearly says
that details about hardware configuration, driver, resolution and
other relevant facts *MUST* be included when giving WinMark results.

Ziff-Davis wants everybody to do this and that requirement makes
sense, really! Plain numbers are useless when resolution, driver and
machine are unknown.


#I find myself unable to put these two statements together in a
#sensible way:
#
#>Abortion is done because the mother can not afford the *pregnancy*.
#
#[...]
#
#>If we refused to pay for the more expensive choice of birth, *then*
#>your statement would make sense.  But that is not the case, so it doesn't.
#
#Are we paying for the birth or not, Mr. Parker?  If so, why can't the
#mother afford the pregnancy?  If not, what is the meaning of the
#latter objection?  You can't have it both ways.

Birth != pregnancy.  If they were the same, the topic of abortion would
hardly arise, would it, Mr. Skinner?


It is not a question of an individuals standing. When a party puts up an
Arab for a Cabinet post and that Arab is rejected but the position is given
to a Jew from the same party we are not talking about power but racism.
Would you care to deny this has happened on several occasions with Labour
coalitions?

Not their party - them as *individuals*. Even when they belong to nice
peaceful Zionist mainstream parties they are not welcome. Arabs are
excluded on ficitious security grounds which are just an excuse. It
sure looks like racism to me.

Arabs are excluded from cabinet, even when they do the things you
suggest, because they are Arabs. Unless of course you have a better
reason? I am happy to listen to any good reason why a leftist Jew
is less of a security risk than a leftist Arab from the same party.
Look at the present cabinet.

Joseph Askew


Hello.  I have (4) SIMMS for sale.  They are 1 megabyte
	each, and are of the 3-chip variety.  These are very high
	quality SIMMS, and are nearly brand new.  Best of all:
	they are ***60*** nanoseconds (the fastest available!)

	Please make an offer.  I prefer to sell all four SIMMS
	to the same person (to lessen shipping costs), but if you
	just want one or two, please make an offer anyway.

	Thanks a lot: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu


And guess who's here in your place.

Please finger xyzzy@gnu.ai.mit.edu for information, or if you are
a mail/news only site, mail xyzzy@gnu.ai.mit.edu with the subject line
"SEND FINGER".


If you are a user of Autodesk 3D Concepts, and are willing to answer
a small number of short questions, then please send me Email.


So, hey, like, does this work the other way? If I was to like, you
know, strap a generator to my FZJRR11000KRX and route its output to
the chain, could I increase the horsepower? 32 meters a sec is
pretty nice and all, but, I'd still like to be able to blow away
a Goldwing without going to nitro...


I'm just starting out with motorcycles,  I've read up on the subject a bit,
talked to many of my friends who own/ride bikes and encourage me to do the
same.  But when I ask about what kind of bike i should be looking at... i get
varied answers.

I'm 6'3", about 230#, large/athletic build...  I suppose that would help to
determine the size bike i'd want.  I want something that's going to be fast and
powerful enough to satisfy certain cravings once i'm used to it.  I also want
something that is not going to be like a bronc my first time out.  Any ideas?!

Bill


Sure, a person could have great respect for Jesus and yet be an
atheist.  (Having great respect for Jesus does not necessarily mean
that one has to follow the Christian [or Muslim] interpretation of
his life.)


xli, xloadimage or ImageMagick - export.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.0.12] /contrib


: To wheelspin in an auto, you keep the gear in N - gas it - then stick the
: gear in D... I've never tried this but am sure it works - but does this screw
: up the autobox? We're having a bit of a debate about it here...

I've known more people to leave their rear ends in pieces doing this,
especially if they have reasonable power to transmit and good traction
on the road surface.

You're better off powerbraking.


Very interested indeed! This is against this kind of "changes" that the GNU
COPYLEFT is protecting us.

Anyway, at SIMULOG, we will abandon xv. We were using it mostly for slide-
shows because of its "-loop" feature that display does not have (display
from the *wonderful* ImageMagick package! :-D), but I think I will implement
it myself (even a shell-script should do the job) and forget xv.

Cheers,
Christophe.
-- muller@simulog.fr


: Mike Adams suggested discussions on long-term effects of spaceflight
: to the human being.  I love this topic, as some of you regulars know.

: So, having seen Henry's encouraging statement about starting to talk
: about it; I shall.

: I feel that we as a community of people have unique resources
: to deliver to the world a comprehensive book which can elaborate
: on the utility of spaceflight to fields which are as divergent
: as medical intensive care, agriculture, environmental protection, and
: probably more.  I do not believe that the general public understands
: the impact of spaceflight on the whole of society.  In the absence
: of such knowledge, we see dwindling support of the world's space effort.

Just a few contributions from the space program to "regular" society:

1.	Calculators
2.	Teflon (So your eggs don't stick in the pan)
3.	Pacemakers (Kept my grandfather alive from 1976 until 1988)

p.s.  To all the regular contributors to sci.space.news and
sci.space.shuttle, thanks for all your hard work keeping us informed
as to the doings down in NASA and other space-type agencies.  I don't
have much time to read USENET, but I ALWAYS read these two groups....


Not to mention how those those liberal presidents, Nixon, Ford,
Reagan, Bush.   did nothing to support  true commercial space
activities.


: : So in conclusion it can be shown that there is essentially no
: : logical argument which clearly differentiates a "cult" from a
: : "religion".  I challenge anyone to produce a distinction which
: : is clear and can't be easily knocked down.

: How about this one: a religion is a cult which has stood the test
: of time.

Just like history is written by the `winners' and not the `losers.'
From what I've seen of religions, a religion is just a cult that
was so vile and corrupt it was able to exert it's doctrine using
political and military measures.  Perhaps if Koresh withstood the
onslaught for another couple of months he would have started
attracting more converts due to his `strength,' hence becoming a
full religion and not just a cult.


I am having troubleloading my Logitech Scanman Driver (latest version) into
high memory with the devicehigh command in MSDOS 6. It gives me an
'invalid parameters' message. Is it necessary to change some of the scanner
driver parameters when loading high?
Any help would be appreciated


This must vary from state to state, because our old company Kemper wanted
to drop me (keeping my wife) or tripple our premium because i had 1 ticket.
Only 2 points for 10 mph over speed limit.  Well i called Geico, and they
insured both my wife and i for less then we were previously paying
Kemper.

Generally i hate the whole insurance game. I realize that it is necessary
but the way that a person can get dicked around doesn't make any sense.

One good thing about Geico is that everything can be handled over
the phone.

                                                  .
                                                 /
Larry                            __/    _______/_
keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov       /                  \
                          _____     __     _____    \------- ===
            ----------- / ____/   /  /   /__  __/              \
         /     ___    /  / ___   /  /      / /    ____          |
        |    /      \/ /__ /  | /  /__  __/ /__ /       \      /
        /___         \_______/ /_____/ /______/            ====OO
            \       /                           \       /
                -            1990 2.0 16v           -

       ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! --------------------
            The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates
            that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!


The number you gave is the Borland BBS, and darned if I can find any
stealth drivers there!

Diamond's BBS is 1-408-730-1100 - according to the manual I got with
my Stealth-24.  I have had a bunch of trouble using the RIGHT drivers
that came with the card (locking up, de-syncing, etc.) so I hope you
do better than I do!


:
: >: > HELP!!!
: >: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.

: >: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they
: >: thought were the best cars for '93.  In the convertible category, the
:                                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   (snip, snip)

: Does Porsche have a patent on the "targa" name?
: I mean, convertible to me means "top down", which the del Sol certainly
: does NOT do.  It has the center that lifts out.  This is what i would
: term a targa(unless Porsches was gonna sue me for doing that).  I know
: the rear window rolls down, but i still can hardly consider this car
: to be a convertible.
:
: DREW

Here we go...

No, of course Porsche doesn't have a patent on the "targa" name.  If that were
the case, what would Fiat do?  I suppose that technically my del Sol is not a
"convertible" in the literal sense, but it certainly classifies as an open-
topped car.  In addition, the rear section behind the removable top is what
makes my car _infinately_ safer than a convertible.

(flame-retardant on ...)


If this is the same as adjusting the shims between cam and valve, I have
the same question.  Do you buy a FULL set of shims before starting the
adjustment process, or do you calculate the shims you need and then run
off to the dealer in the cage to see if the right shims are in stock?
Obviously the latter would be cheaper (what do shims cost?), but are
measurements of the shim need reliable enough to buy only the indicated shims?

Chris


I know that there is a relationship between Fibromyalgia and deep
sleep.  I believe that there are five levels of sleep.  I think
that R.E.M. sleep is the third deepest level of sleep and that
there are two deeper levels of sleep.  If I am in error in any of
this, please let me know.

Which level of sleep is thought to be deficient in people with
Fibromyalgia?  Are there any known sleep disturbances associated
with CFS?  What sleep disturbances (if any) are associated with
clinical depression?  Do antidepressants correct the sleep
disturbances in these diseases?  Are there any good books or
medical journal articles about sleep disturbances and these
diseases?  Thank you in advance for all replies.


Assuming you are refering to standard POTS or ground start lines:

If you are looking at loop start lines under idle conditions, the RING
conductor is the one with approximately -48 to -52 vDC with respect to
ground while the TIP conductor is at or very near ground potential (be sure
to reference the telco ground when taking your measurements).

If you are dealing with ground start lines under idle conditions, the RING
conductor will be the one with approximately -48 to -52 vDC while the TIP
conductor would look like it's floating (you may see some potential from
line capacitance it will bleed off over time).  Remember to use the telco
ground as your reference when making measurements.


It is true the convex algorithm is faster than a general concave/multi outline
algorithm, but not tremendously faster.  I spent awhile implementing and
optimizing both flavors, and the convex turned out about 10% faster.  This is
all C (on HP PA-RISC the compiler got the inner loop [shooting the span] as
fast as possible, as far as I could tell).  For any sort of game the database
to render is known ahead of time, and can be made all convex.  Definitely the
way to go.

p.s. sorry but my code CANNOT be made public domain....
	jesse


Has this video been made public?  The FBI spokesman also said they
first knew of the fire when black smoke started pouring out, but
later said that *three* different FBI agents saw B-D members starting
the fires.

Also the FBI claims to have listening devices (bugs) in the compound.
Will they make public the tapes of what the B-D said?

Well sealing the initial search warrent, keeping the media miles away,
not letting the B-D talk to the public, making contradictory statements,
not releasing the vidio & tapes are not steps to ensure public confidence
in their actions.


I need some help in tracking down a dvi viewer for X. I have xdvi but we
have not got the X libraries and includes installed- so
		i) is there a way around this, as we are trying to avoid
		   installing the stuff (space is at a premium).
		ii)would someone be prepared to make the binaries
		   available. We have a HP700 and a HP382.


Yes, we Put any book on disk for you. Fast and accurate.

We can also put any typewritten or printed articles, thesis, term papers,
etc. on disk for you.


An even better strategy is to leave less of a buffer between you and
the car in front, but enough to manuver around it.  Keep the bike in
1st gear with the clutch handle squeezed in (how's that for
engaged/disengaged?), until there are two cars stopped behind you.

When the next BDI cager comes screaching in, simply ride up along side
of the car in front of you.  You don't need to panic and do it, or you
will pop the clutch and stall the engine.  Do is smoothly, just
rapidly.  The cage in front of you will provide MUCH better protection
than anything else (particularly empty road).


5 Apr 93
  MOSCOW (UPI) --
        ...
        ``It's horrible. People are trying to get their wives and children
out, men are leaving their defense positions, it's total anarchy,'' said
Mekhman Aliyev, a spokesman for the Azerbaijani president.

        Aliyev said 210 people -- three-quarters of them civilians, the rest
government soldiers -- had been killed and 200 wounded in the assault by
Armenian fighters.

Serdar Argic


The following announcement is from the Bosnia Task Force, USA.

          Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens of London) and Muhammad Ali
           (former heavyweight champion) will be the grand marshals of
                  the Washington rally on Saturday, May 15, 93
                   -------------------------------------------

                Twenty to Twenty Five thousands are expected to march
                    demanding an end to genocide in BOSNIA

          Rally will begin 1pm from Lafayette Park in front of White House
          ----------------------------------------------------------------

In the largest planned rally ever by Muslims in America, the Bosnia Task
Force, USA has called upon all Muslims in the USA to hold rallies
through out the USA. Muslims in 400 miles radius are, however, requested
to come to Washington D.C. for a rally in front of the White House.

The rally will start sharp at 1pm on May 15, 93 in front of the White House and
will March to Capitol Hill. All are requested to be in Lafayette park by noon.

It is going to be a big rally. More than 20,000 persons are expected to
participate. New York is targeting 50 buses. People as far as Texas and Arizona
are coming. Never in Washington's history have so Many Muslims have marched
before. Are you ready for this historical event? Call every one you know to
bring them to rally.

Our Demands:
------------

1) Recognize the genocidal nature of the Milosevic regime and its aggression.
2) Lift the arms embargo from the Bosnian government.
3) provide the Bosnian government with arms for self-defence.
4) Use NATO air power to enforce the will and conscience of the World community
on Serbia.
5)Begin the War Crime tribunals immediately.

IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

Members of the Bosnia Task Force, USA:
ISNA, ICNA, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, The National Community,
Bosnia Action Committee of Chicago, Majlis Shura New York, American
Muslim Council, Michigan Islamic Council, Balkan Muslim Association.
Phone: (312) 829-0087                       Fax: (312) 829-0089
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Somebody in comp.multimedia was also having trouble using a Spigot in his
LC III. It turned out he needed the latest version of ScreenPlay (1.1.1),
which fixed things.


Um...

1) Your Professor if just plain wrong.  Although blue LEDs are one heck of
a lot less efficient than red ones.
2) "Typical visible light LEDs" don't really exist.  LEDs have a fairly
narrow region of transmittence.  (Since the Fermi energy around either side
of the band gap falls off exponentially, blah, blah...)

You might want to check the copyright date on that. :-)

Blue LEDs most certainly do exist, I've got a bunch at work.  Cree Research
makes them (probably along with other companies...  Cree is big in
materials science, though; they advertise in the stuff like Physics Today,
etc.).  You can buy them from JameCo (I think), DigiKey (definitely), and
plenty of other distributors.

Actually, these days you _can_ get a "typical visible light" LED -- it's
called a "rainbow LED", and I've forgotten who makes it (they advertise in
EDN and many of the other trade rags, though).  It combines a reg, green,
and blue LED all on one chip (and has four leads).  Nifty device, although
it's probably fairly expensive.


I've had similar problems downloading using WinCIM, I discovered that if I
disabled data compression on my modem, it works fine.


Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Energy.

 Energy Secretary Hails President's Plan For Alternative Fuel
Vehicles
 To: National Desk, Environment and Energy Reporters
 Contact: Larry Hart of the U.S. Department of Energy, 202-586-5806

   WASHINGTON, April 21  -- Secretary of Energy
Hazel R. O'Leary today said President Clinton's Executive Order on
Alternative Fuels will make the federal government a "driving force
behind efforts to increase the availability of both alternative
fuel vehicles and fuel supplies."
   President Clinton signed the order today, which calls for
federal purchases of alternative fuel vehicles in numbers over the
next three years at least 50 percent higher than those called for
in the Energy Policy Act of 1992.
   President Clinton also announced that Texas Land Commissioner
Gary Mauro will head up the Federal Fleet Conversion Task Force to
advise O'Leary on implementation of the Executive Order.
   "I am delighted that I will be working with Gary Mauro to make
this happen," O'Leary said.  "As Land Commissioner, Gary Mauro has
helped make Texas a national leader in converting the state fleet
to alternative fuels, and has been a tireless proponent of natural
gas vehicles in speeches across the country."
   The task force is to issue a report within 90 days recommending
a plan and schedule of implementation.
   "The Department of Energy and all of us in government must lead
by example if the option of alternative fuels is going to become a
practical, affordable choice for fleet owners across the country,"
O'Leary said.  "Increased use of domestically-produced alternative
fuels means reducing pollution while creating jobs.  We believe
that energy efficiency, protecting the environment, and a healthy
economy are complimentary goals."
   O'Leary said that plans call for the Department of Energy to
coordinate the agencies' five-year purchase plans, help with
funding for extra purchase or conversion costs, and work with GSA
to encourage development of the fuel infrastructure needed to make
fleet conversions practical.
   Under the order, the Department of Energy will also be working
with states, local governments and industry to coordinate vehicle
purchases and encourage manufacturers and fuel suppliers to make
alternative fuel vehicles and alternative fuels more widely
available.
 -30-


I would like to know the regular/international phone number of a computer
supplier called "Computer Component Source". Their free phone number is
1-800-356-1227. This number is no use to customers outside the US.
I wish to upgrade the power supply on a couple of Mac Plus computers and would
like to make contact with "Computer Component Source".


I replied to this query via e-mail, but I think there are some
issues that are worth discussing in public.

I would recommend you to take a look at

1) your dictionary
2) alt.atheism FAQ files

to notice that atheism is _not_ a belief system, and what is common
to all atheists is not a belief, but a _lack of belief in deities_.
I cannot imagine how anyone could do research on atheism without
paying careful attention to this issue.

IMHO, this is a poor method to do any real survey, although I'm sure the
replies might keep you amused for hours.

No, I do _not_ know what you mean. If you are surveying our individual
philosophies, fine, but that's not strictly atheism. Atheism is not
just another, godless version of the theistic explanations for life,
the universe and everything. It is not a belief system, and it could
hardly be called a philosophical system.

Once more: Atheism is characterised by lack of belief in deities.
Do not twist the meaning, or assume that we have some kind of
philosophy we all agree on.

Some comments on your questions:

I would also like to hear more about this. Have we been able to 'convert'
anyone?

This question contains a contradiction in terms. _Beliefs_
cannot be acquired rationally - if they could, they would not be
beliefs! You also seem to have rather strange ideas of how people become
atheists - those who are alienated from religion do not necessarily
become atheists, they just think very little about religion. It seems
it requires a considerable time of honest inquiry to find out that
religions are actually intellectually dishonest virtual realities.

Those who have never had beliefs will certainly find this question
quite odd - how can lack of belief be acquired? When did I acquire
lack of belief in the Easter Bunny? (I did believe in Santa, though ;-))

This question does not make any sense, since atheism does not deal with
these issues - it is not a worldview, or a philosophy, or a belief system.

Sigh, why haven't I seen a good, well-thought survey in the Usenet
for three years... and what is the point of doing surveys in the net,
anyway? Just to abstract some opinions?

Petri


I want to buy a LCII ( yes LCII not LCIII). None of the dealer seems to have
them anymore. Does anybody know where I can buy this beast?.
I wanted 4/80 with standard keyboard package.

Please let me know.
thanx

--Aravind S. Melligeri
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Dept. of Mechanical Engg.	       |		      off: 814-865-2062
Pennsylvania State Univ. 	       |		      res: 814-867-5922


And it has worked again. Pena went 3 for 3 last night against Colorado.


Come back ten years from now and look at the careers of Juan Gonzalez vs. Mark McGuire,  and then tell us how bogus the Juanderful one's 1992 HR title was.  I'd say that by 2003,  Juan will be preparing his HOF acceptance speech while the voters will be saying "Mark McWho?"


My theory is that Koresh was seriously wounded in the initial gunbattle
and died on Day 9 of the siege.  On Day 11 of the siege he rose from the
dead and periodically appeared to his followers and the FBI over the
next 40 days.  Living with someone who's risen from the dead isn't easy,
as Timmy Baterman's father in *Pet*Sematary* could attest, so after 40
days they did what Baterman did--shot themselves and burned the place
to the ground.

Consistent with the facts, isn't it?  Did anyone actually *see* Koresh
between Day 9 and Day 11?


We're about to have our first baby, and have a few questions that we
dont seem to be able to get answered to our satisfaction.

Reguarding having a baby boy circumsized, what are the medical pros
and cons?  All we've heard is 'its up to the parents'.

How about the pregnant woman sitting in a tub of water?  We've heard
stories of infection, etc.  How about after the water has broken?


	Baltimore Baseblazers? Where the hell did you come up with that? The
Orioles are not a base-stealing team except for Anderson. Besides we would
never call them anything but the Baltimore Orioles. Why? The ballpark has
all these orthologically (spelling error?) correct BALTIMORE ORIOLES all
over the place. I bet you thought the bird is just an oriole. It's not. The
bird was named after Lord Baltimore when Maryland was founded. They're
called Baltimore Orioles. But the post is just a joke so why do I care what
a non-O's fan thinks of us? But I still wonder where Baseblazers came from.
San Diego Padres, now there's a name that needs to be changed. How is padre
being used? As "Father" ie priest or "father" ie parents?


I just bought a little gizmo that is supposed to be installed "in
series with the tip or ring lines" of the phone wire. Which ones are
those? Suppose I am holding a regular phone wire, such that the little
plastic tooth (on the little plastic square thing with the naked lead
ends that you plug into the phone) is facing down, and away from me.
Which of the 4 wires that I see is the "tip" and which is the "ring"?
Please reply to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.


I agree about the durability of the old TH400 trannies from GM.  While I
never intentionally slamed my '68 Firebird 400 ci Conv. into gear, I would leave
the trannie in Low (read 1st), grab hold, hit the pedal, and once the tires
grabbed, take off.  When I reached about 57-60mph the turbo 400 Auto would
shift to S (read 'super' or 2nd) and leave about 10 to 15 foot of double
stripped rubber on the ground.  Most everyone I knew at the time was quite
impressed with 'peeling' out at 60 MPH.  The trannie held up just fine.
Motor mounts would last about a year until I tied the motor down with large
chains.  Oh yea,FYI:    Pontiac 400 ci bored 0.04 over
                        Large Valve heads
                        Holley 650 Spread bore
                        Crain 'BLAZER' cam (don't remember the specs)
                        PosiTrac, Hooker headers, Dual exhaust
                        Get this (Conv., leather seats, power windows
                                  power top, AC, Cruise etc.)

  Oh yea, I also pulled the 'Cocktail shakers' (weights) from the front
  and removed the lead pellet from the accelerator pedal. (Damn US regulations)
 OH, HOW I MISS THAT CAR!!!
  -- 0-60 under 6.7 sec  and about 6 to 14 mpg (well I don't miss the mpg)
  -- front wheels 4" off the ground with three quick jabs at the pedal.
  -- bent pushrods, stripped rocker studs,  every 6-12 months
     ( I really wonder what kind of rev's I was turning - no tach)
Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions
  Anyone seen one of these lately?  I'd buy it back in a sec!!!


Hi folks,

I borrowed a VHS tape from a friend and it has a warning in the begining saying
that attempts to copy the tape will result in destroying the copy and the
original. I found this unbelievable as playing and recording are two different
processes. However, I've never seen this tape being sold anywhere so I don't
want to take the chance even it's small.

Anyone has experience in this kind of self-destructing video tapes?

Thanks in advance.


I don't know about C-5's,  but on C-130's  which are regularly used
for Medium  haul  Personnel transport by the Army,  only have a
funnel and a garden hose  in the aft.  The female personnel
hate long trips in the box cars.


"traction control" as far as the optional feature that one buys with
cars is not the same thing at all as a torque sensing differential.

a torque sensing differential is a type of LSD, but not all LSD's
are torque sensing.  viscous coupled differentials (as opposed to
viscous couplings) are rotational sensing, not torque sensing.
for that matter, so are "traction control" systems that use ABS
sensors and pulse braking.

then there are the older posi-tracs and whatever which i am not
familiar with the workings.


CHEERS Brandon.  That's the best suggestion I have seen that.  !!!


From his Topps "rookie" year (as coach) card (74-75):
"For the past couple of seasons, Don has been the highly-successful
 coach of the Rochester Americans of the AHL, but he is getting his
 first shot at an NHL job with the Bruins.  Named Coach of the Year
 in the AHL the last two years, and he aims to make the Bruins a
 rough team again, as they were a couple of years back.  Although
 he played 16 seasons of professional hockey, Don never played a
 regular-season NHL game.  He did appear in one playoff game for
 Boston in 1956-57.  Don's brother, Dick, played two seasons in the
 NHL with Boston and Philadelphia."


Throw away the FAQ.   We can all just ask Mr O'Dwyer, since he can
define the thing that the rest of us only talk about.


Why not try to eliminate discrimination from existing laws instead of
trying to add discrimination that favors your group.


	Actually, no I don't have a tape drive.  In the event of a total
hard disk failure, I reinstall the apps from originals, and restore the data
from the backups I keep of that.  With upwards of 100Mb of stuff on my hard
disk, there is no way I'm going to try and back it all up without a tape
drive. :)  Would be nice to have one though!

	Maybe, maybe not.  Today it doesn't happen as often (I would hope),
but then if a BIOS is buggy and the user gets an upgrade, the BIOS
information is going to change, at least the date anyway.  Tagging the BIOS
manufacturer is still going to falsely tag those users who upgrade the
motherboard.  This type of upgrade doesn't require a hard disk
backup/restore.

	As long as it wasn't done too terribly often.  Otherwise I think it
would get annoying and the user would go looking for other software.

	Of course not.  If something gets corrupted and my app needs to be
reinstalled, the *worst* thing I want that software telling me is "this
software has already been registered to <blank> and it is against the law to
install it on other machines."  Or something similar; Access for Windows
does this and it only requires a click on "OK" to go away.  Pretty
non-intrusive, but it gets the point across.

	This is a great idea.  I like the key system that some shareware
products use.  The only problem is that it will be difficult for big
software companies to implement this without it getting very
cost-ineffective for them and more of a burden than a benefit to the users.

--
Steve Madsen
sjmadsen@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu


The paucity of this line of argument is that it is provably false.

Texas state officials COULD and DID investigate child abuse charges.
They COULD and DID apprehend Koresh peaceably.  The COULD and DID
impound his weapons for the duration.  And Koresh was NOT CONVICTED.

Note that child abuse and similar accusations are STATE matters, not
federal.  The state COULD and DID handle them properly and peaceably,
and furthermore violating no one's constitutional rights in the process.

So maybe the best way for BATF/FBI to save people is to mind their
own fucking business.
--


: Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm
: the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an "arrest me red" 90 VFR.

I don't generally consider police officers "the enemy".  I hope you don't
think bikers in general have that attitude.  Stereotypes suck either way.

:  I'll entertain questions but my answers will reflect Georgia law and may not
:  apply in your state.
:
:   P.S.  Anyone got a Nomex suit for sale?

You shouldn't get flamed for being a cop.  I can't promise you won't because
there are jerks on this newsgroup same as any other, but if you've been
lurking for a while you already know that.  You might get lots of flames
if you try to convince people that you know more than them just because you
have a badge.  And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
will flame you for it.
   So, have you ordered any official DoD paraphenalia yet?  Wristwatch,
bandana, patches?  Tell your boss your going undercover with a real
badass biker gang. :-)


Exactly.  You took the words right out of my mouth, Ron :-)

--


   Granted.  Pomeroy, Bell, Weinberg, 1967.  "National Institute of
Mental Health Paper 12353, ''Patterns of Adjusment in Deviant
Populations.''"  Cited as part of the National Institute of Mental
Health Task Force on Homosexuality.

   Pomery concluded, "The Kinsey statistic of 37% is probably higher
than is realistic.  According to these estimates, 33% is a more
realistic figure."

   (I went out and bought LOTS of Bell & Weinberg this weekend... can
you tell?)

   Also, The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior (Samuel S. Janus, Ph.D.
and Cynthia L. Janus, M.D., John Wiley & Sons (pub), 1992) has the
following:

Table 3.14
Have you ever had a homosexual experience?
          Men.    Women.
N=        1,335   1,384
Yes       22%      17%
No        78%      83%

Table 3.15
How often have you had homosexual contact?
                      Men   Women
N=                    294     235
a. Once                5%      6%
b. Occasionally       56%     67%
c. Frequently         13%      6%
d. Ongoing            26%     21%

Active (c. + d.)      39%     37%

39% of 22% is 9%.  This number is consistent with Kinsey, Pomery,
Gebard (1953), Bell & Weinberg (1967, 1974), and Rice (1987) in the
finding that 9% of the male population is actively homosexual, with
an further breakdown (Bell & Wienberg, 1978) of 4% exclusively so and
5% self-identifying themselves as "bisexuals."

   (pp 69, 70)

   As for debunking Kinsey, the following article is an important
lesson for everyone to read:

Was Kinsey a Fake and a Pervert?
by Philip Nobile

     Far out on the grassy knoll of sexology, there is a cult of
prochastity researchers who claim that the late Alfred Kinsey was a
secret sex criminal, a Hoosier Dr. Mengele, who bent his numbers
toward the bisexual and the bizarre in a grand conspiracy to queer the
nation and usher in an era of free sex with kids.

     But what really riles these critics is Kinsey's towerin~ cultural
influence.  His bestselling surveys-- Sexual Behavior in the Human Male
(1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953)-- tore the
sheets off the country's erogenous zones and undermined midcentury
morals.  His charts and graphs, based on detailed histories of 12,000
men and women, demonstrated that practices generally considered rare
and/or 'abnormal'-- masturbation, extramarital relations,
homosexuality, and even barnyard bestiality, were as American as
strawberry shortcake.

     Yet for a hard core of these heterosexual supremacists, aided and
abetted by Pat Buchanan and the religious right, the zoology professor
from Indiana University remains the evil genius behind the sex
revolution and a target for character assassination.

     Judith Reisman, the prosecution's expert witness at the
Mapplethorpe trial in Cincinnati, is the leader of the anti- Kinsey
revisionists as well as his Inspector Javert.  In 1983, during a radio
interview with Pat Buchanan in Washington, Reisman accused Kinsey of
having been inolved in "the vicious genital torture of hundreds of
children."  She speculated that he kidnapped and drugged ghetto boys in
order to carry out clandestine orgasm tests.

     Now, seven years later, Reisman has revived her charges in a
different book, titled Kinsey, Sex and Fraud, just released by the
small and religiously oriented Huntington House in Lafayette,
Louisiana.  Her coauthor is Ed Eichel, a Manhattan psychotherapist who
has invented a new style of intromission ("the coital alignment
technique") that supposedly triggers simultaneous orgasm with
considerable regularity and thereby increases compatibilty between the
sexes.  In the book Eichel contends that "Kinsey deliberately cooked
the gay stats because, being an oddball himself, he wanted to advance
the 'denormalization' of heterosexuality."

     If the authors are right, then the world- famous Kinsey Reports
are, as the introduction boldly asserts, "the most egregious example
of scientific deception in this century."  And if they are wrong,
Kinsey, Sex and Fraud is a shameful smear.

     Despite the less- than- stellar credentials of Kinsey's
detractors, legends are not what they used to be.  Martin Luther King
may have committed plagiarism.  Bruno Bettelheim slapped young mental
patients around.  Father Bruce Ritter, the founder of Covenant House,
preyed on runaway boys.  Closer to Kinsey, Masters and Johnson have
been disgraced for faking it in one way or another.

     So it should not surprise anybody that Kinsey, who filmed strange
people having sex in his attic, may have had skeletons in the closet.
The problem is that Reisman does not seem to have the intellectual
prowess to pull off the job.

     As a thinker, the woman is no Madame Curie.  The 55-year-old
former songwriter for Captain Kangaroo has little professional
standing, no current university position, and no peer-review
publications, though her creative 1983 resume was padded with phantom
accomplishments.  For instance, it listed a book as her own-- Take Back
the Night: Women on Pornography-- that was actually written and edited
by others.  Then there is her Ph.D. in Speech Communication from
Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University.  Although Reisman has no
bachelor's degree, Case granted her a master's in 1976 and a doctorate
in 1979.  Her dissertation was on the commentaries of a local
octagenarian TV commentator.  But on the resume, Reisman gave this
piece of scholarship a fancy Hautes Etudes moniker-- to wit: "The
Application of Aristotelian and Systems Analytic Theory to Mass Media
Effects."

     When Reisman burst into prominence on Buchanan's program, it was
love at first sight for Al Regnery, the outwardly anti-
porn head of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention in Ed Meese's
Justice Department.  Regnery was a young law-and-order conservative and
amateur social philosopher who wanted to help change the sexual
climate of the United States.

     After Reisman's sensational radio session, the sexual equivalent
of Joe McCarthy's Wheeling speech, Regnery summoned
her to meetings to discuss mutual interests.  First he tried to shovel
her $800,000 for a quasi-Frankenstein study that was going to measure
the brain chemicals of men and boys who looked at arousing
photographs.  Guffaws on Capitol Hill killed the original proposal, but
$734,000 in govemment money went to Reisman anyway for plan B- a probe
of child images in the cartoons Playboy, Penthouse, and Hust
ler.  (Incredibly, this grant surpassed the entire budget of the
attorney general's pornography commission.)

     When the overpriced and oversold project was completed in 1986,
it was immediately shelved by an embarrassed Justice Department.  That
spring, Regnery resigned from his post only days before the New
Republic carried this admission that he had kept porno magazines
around the house.

     Notwithstanding the six-figure humiliation, Reisman went on to
scratch out a niche on the ioony right.  As the darling of the sex
cranks, she deplores subversive phenomena like shaved genitalia in
men's magazines and blames AIDS on gays.  Kinsey, Sex and Fraud is
Reisman's latest grasp for respectability.  Pat Buchanan, of course, is
putting his Krugerrands on Reisman's ultimate vindication.  "This book
is social dynamite," he says in a blurb an the front cover.  He
especially liked the antigay parts.  Smacking his lips in his
syndicated column, he declared, "It may just blow the sewer cap off
Kinsey's monumental reputation, reestablish homosexuality as a 1-in-50
aberration, expose the Gay Rights movement as a paper tiger, and even
put at risk the enormous sex industry built upon Dr. Kinsey's
'research.'"

     The blockbuster charge at the heart of the cluttered and
repetilive j'Accuse is that Kinsey was a sex-mad pedophile who
molested little boys in Nazi-type experiments and recorded their
orgasms in his male volume/ A similar charge was first recited at the
Fifth World Conference on Sexology in Jerusalem in 1981 to no effect
before being recycled by Reisman for Buchanan in Washington in 1983.

     Here is how Reisman and Eichel repackaged the Mengele business in
Kinsey, Sex and Fraud:

     Mengele-like 'scientific' experiments on infants and children
were the basis for Kinsey's conclusions...  on childhood sexuality.

     Somewhere and sometime in the course of the project, Kinsey
appears to have directed experimental sex research on several hundred
children aged from two months to almost 15 years.

     This, of course, would implicate Kinsey and his team in
promoting, and perhaps participating in, the criminal activity.

     In the opinion of this book's authors, that is exactly how part
of Kinsey's child sexuality research took place.

     Donning his psychohistorian's cap and citing an FBI manual on
child molesters as a guide, Eichel casually diagnoses Kinsey as a
homosexual pedophile with the perfect motive for doing exactly as

     [Kinsey] placed himself in professional and nonprofessional
positions where he had access to young boys, such as Y.M.C.A.  camp
counselor, boys' club leader, and Boy Scout leader-- activities he
kept up 'during his college and graduate yeaers, and even after his
marriage."

     As crude as his analysis seems, Eichel was more than happy to
elaborate even further in a recent phone interview.  "If you've ever
been around boy- lovers, pedophiles, they are absolutely compulsive,"
he averred.  "Everything in his life is directed at getting children.  I
didn't mention this in our book but the caption under Kinsey's high
school picture was a quote from Hamlet: 'Man delights me not, no,
[sic] nor woman neither.' What do you think they were picking up on?"

     Before weighing what Reisman and Eichel pass off as proof of
Kinsey's sex crimes, something must be said about Kinsey's scientific
modus operandi.  He was a fiendish collector.  As a young zoologist with
a D.Sc.  from Harvard, he collected 4 million gall wasps and 1.5
million related insects.  When he switched to sex exploration after
agreeing to teach a marriage Course at Indiana University in 1938, he
was no less curious or acquisitive.  Nothing that mammals did in the
realm of reproduction was foreign to him.  He compiled masses of erotic
materials including toilet wall inscriptions from male and female
johns that highlighted differences in sexual psychology and flms of
mating in 14 species of animals that showed an amazing similarity in
oral eroticism.

     Naturally, the sexual response of children, the genesis of eros,
fascinated him.  It was impossible to understand the sexual behaviors
of adults without examining their origins.  And so with the fervor of
his bughunting days, Kinsey collected information about kids, though
even his worst enemies-- until Reisman and Eichel-- refrained from
linking him personally to his data on preadolescent sex.

     Kinsey said plainly in the male volume that he got information on
the sex life of young boys from people who had sex with them: "Some of
these adults are technically trained persons who have kept diaries or
other records which have been put at our disposal."  Although he
gathered much boyhood data from the memories of his subjects and the
observations of parents and nursery school teachers, he treated the
documentary materia! of the pedophiles as pure gold.  There was nothing
like it in the literature.

     Kinsey's main source, a 63-year-old govemment worker, was also
the most unforgettable character he had ever met.  This man, whose
history took 17 hours to log, had sex with over 600 boys and 200 girls
as well as 17 of 33 family members including his father and
grandmother.  A sexual hobbyist and passionate record-keeper, he gave
Kinsey detailed accounts of orgasms that he observed in preadolescent
boys.  Relying on the man's meticulous research, which involved
following some boys for as long as 16 years, Kinsey was able to
identify for the first time six distinct types of male orgasm-- some
of which involved violent contortions at the peak of release-- as well
as the speed and the capacity of climax.

     What Freud had only imagined about childhood sexuality, Kinsey
had reported as fact.  Children were indeed erotic beings from the
cradle.  "These data on the sexual activities of younger male provide
an important substantiation of the Freudian view of sexuality as a
component that is present in the human animal from earliest infancy,"
he concluded without raising eyebrows in 1948.

     Then along came Judith Reisman.  Ignorng the legitimacy of
Kinsey's inquiry, she beheld the ghost of Mengele in Bloomington.  She
was appalled by the thought of infant ecstasy and read torture in the
portrayals of prepubertal orgasm rendered by the government worker.
And she dared to say that Kinsey was a sex criminal.

     Well, was he or wasn't he? Let's go to the text.  There is no
evidence in Kinsey, Sex and Fraud-- no witnesses, no paper, noteven a
trace of hearsay-- that implicates Kinsey in either planning or
partaking in child sex experiments.  After 12 years on the trail,
Reisman has uncovered just two sources to back up her original charge-
- amazingly enough, Kinsey himself and Wardell Pomeroy, Kinsey's
coauthor on both reports, to whom Reisman has never spoken.  It turns
out that her whole case rests on a few passages in the male volume
iand in Pomeroy's 1972 biography titled Dr. Kinsey and the Institute
for Sex Research.

     After frisking every "the" and "and" in both books, Reisman came
up with what she believes are "smoking" sentences.  To establish
Kinsey's alleged role in the planning, she says that "there is a hint"
in the fifth chapter of the male volume that Kinsey "directed" the
orgasm studies on kids.  She cites his tell-tale quote from a critic of
armchair psychoanalysis demanding that "writers...test their
theories...by empirical study and statistical procedures."  Then she
combines this quote with Kinsey's statement that some of the
observations of his pedophile sources "were continued over periods of
months or years until the individuals were old enough to make it
certain that true orgasm was involved."

     Putting two and two together-- Kinsey's empiricism and lengthy
experimentation-- she arrives at her hint.  But realizing this dog
would not hunt, she devoted but a single paragraph to Kinsey's
supposed planning before shifting to the issue of his personal
involvement.  As for the alleged participation, after poring over
Pomeroy's biography, Reisman found several hidden clues suggesting
Kinsey's likely hands-on approach to kiddie sex.  Here the chain of
reasoning is more complex.  She points out that Kinsey was interested
in clitoral measurements, collecting sperm and filming sex in his
attic.  Since Kinsey did indeed mislead Indiana University about the
purpose of his cinematography-- he said that he was filming "animal
sex"-- Reisman asserts that a "similar misrepresentation may yet apply
to Kinsey's child sex experiments."  Catch the "may"!

     Reisman was also struck by Kinsey's doubting Thomas attitude
toward the never before recorded climax of female rabbits: "Kinsey,
according to Pomeroy, was the type of person who needed to see things
for himself.  Pomeroy gave the example of orgasm in the female rabbit.
Because he had not personally witnessed this event, Kinsey had
difficulty in accepting its reality, even on the strength of testimony
from a distinguished scientist.  How then did Kinsey testify to the
actuality of orgasm in a 5-month-old infant from the mere 'history' of
a sex offender?" (But, of course, he did not: he depended on their
records.)

     From this fantastic alchemy of conjecture mixed with clitorides,
sperm, attic cumshots, and climax-in-cottontail has Reisman defamed
the legendary Kinsey.

     Paul Gebhard succeeded Kinsey as the director of the Kinsey
Institute and now lives in retirement outside Bloomington.  Reached by
telephone, Gebhard defended the pedophile connection and denied
Reisman's nasty imputations.  "I don't understand the resistance of
people like Reisman to studying the sexuality of children," Gebhard
said more in exasperation than anger.  "That is where sex begins.  We
were happy to take data wherever we found it.  Even though pedophiles
commit criminal acts, they are usually not violent folks.  They
wouldn't be very successful if they were.  One of our best sources was
a headmaster of a boys' school who maintained a kind of alumni club
and sometimes went to the weddings of his former students.  As for
directing experiments, that's absurd.  We never told any of our
subjects what to do.  lt was against our principles.  Almost all of the
pedophile material was retrospective anyway.  Nor did we ever conduct
sex experiments with children ourselves.  That would have been highly
inappropriate."

     I asked Gebhard if Kinsey had ever seen a child in a sexual
situation.  "I think a mother once brought in a little girl who humped
her teddy bear and Kinsey watched it."

     As for Kinsey's sex life, it is still shrouded in
confidentiality.  He was married to the same woman for 35 years and
fathered four children.  Apparently, there are no huge sexual
revelations, although rumors of homosexuality have persisted without
confirmation through the years.  Gebhard took his boss's history back
in the '40s, but he refuses to discuss what he knows.  "We never
divulge anything about anybody's history, whether dead or alive," he
says.

     Reisman said no to an interview for this article on the grounds
that I had once worked for Penthouse-- not to mention the fact that we
have been debating each other in various forums for the past five
years.  In keeping with our contentious history, she took a swipe at me
in her book for continuing "the Kinsey practice of euphemizing
incest."  My offense was using the biblical variant "lying with a near
relative" in a 1977 article on the subject of incest.  As a synonym for
intercourse, "lying with" appears eight times in Genesis.

     Ed Eichel is a different story.  Though seemingly obsessed by
Kinsey like his coauthor, he was friendly in long conversations.  He
told me that he began to smell a big baised agenda in sexology when he
was a student in New York University's Human Sexuality program in the
early '80s.  "It was literally a gay studies program for heterosexuals,"
he says.

     Around 1985, Eichel came upon Reisman's critique of Kinsey and
the conspiracy theory started to sink in: the sex establishment was
ruled by a Kinseyan bisexual bund advocating the overthrow of the
heterosexual norm.  No wonder he was having such a rough time promoting
the joy of simultaneous orgasm-- anything that enhanced sexual
compatibility between men and women inevitably raised objections.

     Eventually, Eichel exchanged philosophical fluids with Reisman,
and from this union Kinsey, Sex and Fraud was born.  Eichel's main
contribution to the book is discovery and analysis of a Kinsey
conspiracy that supposedly seeks "the establishment of bisexuality as
the balanced sexual orientation for normal, uninhibited people" which,
by destroying the traditional family structure and normal sexual
behavior, "would open the way for the second and more difficult step--
the ultimate goal of cross-generational sex (sex with children)."

     When I pressed him for specific references to back up his
outrageous contentions, he said weakly, "You don't think Kinsey is
going to come right out and say that everybody is basically bisexual
and should have sex with kids, but this is implicit in the Kinsey
reports."

     Meanwhile, Eichel is demanding a congressional investigation of
Kinsey and his data.  Perfect.  That's just what the country needs-- a
House Un-American Sexual Activities Committee, looking under beds and
asking people if they are now or have everbeen a reader, a sympathizer
or-- God forbid-- a subject of Dr. Alfred Kinsey.

         Elf !!!
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elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)


Hello!!!

The title just about says it all.

I need a list of the bugs for Motif 1.2.


 >have no idea what's in Apple's patented ROMs. Many have modems connected.
 >How do you know all your business secrets aren't being stolen? Answer:
 >1. Because you trust Apple;
 >2. Because if any such attempt, however sophicsticated, came out, it would
destroy Apple's credibility forever.


[discussing the use of IRQ 7]

To put it a little differently:

 - IRQ 7 is the de facto standard interrupt assigned to be used by the
   printer adapter to announce its completion of some activity.

 - DOS doesn't monitor IRQ 7; it uses other means to determine when it's
   time to send out another byte to the printer.

 - Most (all?) (hardware) printer adapters have the ability to disable
   the use of IRQ 7, usually by merely breaking the connection between
   the ISA pin and the associated driver.  Other adapters control the
   IRQ line by a tri-state driver, and by programming just leave it
   in the high-impedence mode.

 - Unfortunately, there are a lot of adapter cards which use bistate
   drivers (i.e., either assert high or assert low) for the IRQ lines
   rather than tristate drivers (assert high, assert low, or don't
   assert anything).  The presence of such a card on an IRQ line precludes
   the use of that IRQ by any other adapter unless it is physically
   disconnected by a jumper.

   (Incidentally, note that there's no requirement that a card hold
   the IRQ line low when no interrupt is desired.  If that were true
   you would have to somehow tie down all unconnected IRQ lines, and
   that certainly isn't a requirement.)

 - Non-DOS operating systems (OS/2, NT (?), various Unices or whatever the
   proper plural of Unix might be) require the use of IRQ 7 for performance
   reasons.

And the SB16, alas, is one of the cards which uses bistate drivers.


A little correction on my previous post about an hour ago.
Please replace the term 'EEPROM' with the term 'EPROM' wherever it appears.
(Don't not why I added that extra 'E' every time.)


Does anyone know what the standard port addresses are for COM ports 5
through 8? (If there is a standard of any sort!)

Please e-mail, as I don't read this group very often.


A harmonic of the Earth's gravitational field?  What IS a harmonic of the
Earth's gravitational field?

14:1 resonance with WHAT?  It's not like there's any wavelength or frequency
to the Earth's gravitational field.  Now, there' might be some interesting
interactions with the Moon's tidal effect--is that what you're talking about?

What are the physics of the situation?  The only way I can see gravitational
effects being useful in adding energy to an object orbiting Earth is some
sort of interaction with the moon.


The injury is to his fielding hand, which is good.  Unfortunately, he may
have some ligament damage and may require surgery, which would lay him up
for a while.

Apparently just a strain of some sort.  He hasn't been put on the DL, so
it's probably just day-to-day.


Hello ,
I need a microsoft mouse driver, but newer as 8.6 for
going in dos window under ms windows, but it is must be freeware.
I have version 7.00 .
				 Tx  Mike


   Actually, David, I don't think it's any more intellectually honest to
say there are no backdoors than to say there are backdoors, unless you've
had a chance to examine the algorithm and the silicon closely.  For all
we know, skipjack could be easily broken, or impossible to break.  And
clearly, if skipjack is not secure, then the clipper chip is not worth much.


Shooting those .44 cal. blanks, I suspect.  Them movie guys is dangerous.

Practice with them, I hope.
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