: Oh? Then why did the smoke and flames start from three different places?
: In particular, three different places where there were no APV's?

The crushed remains of a PRESSURIZED propane tank were found in the ruins
of the BD compound.  The key word is PRESSURIZED.  When that baby was
crushed, the gas would have gone all over the place.  And when ignited,
would look just like the pictures of the explosion we saw on the TV
news.  Ammo doesn't go up all at once - kind of like fireworks going off.
Propane gas goes off in a big fireball.  Gee, that's kind of consistent
with what the pictorial history shows.  Hmmmmm...

: And if the government did start the fire, then why weren't people trying
: to get out of the compound?

Remember, PRESSURIZED gas.  People all over the building.
Conflagration in less than a minute.  Huge explosion.  Gas masks being
worn by the inhabitants.  Makes a lot of sense that very few of those
on the inside would even know that the tank was damaged.  If they
thought it was just a normal fire, they would probably be trying to
put it out.  Then - BOOM - the fireball.  After that explosion and
concussion, I doubt anybody on the inside of the building was capable
of moving.

: And besides... oh, I don't know why I'm even bothering.

Good question.  Take an objective look at what happened, listen to the
things that the FBI said ("The BD's started the fire."  "The BD's bodies
were found with gunshot wounds.") that are now being refuted by the
evidence being recovered.  Seems that the FBI is deliberately making
statements that have no rational basis in fact, and trying to make
them sound like fact.

: I find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem eager to believe
: a murderous, heavily-armed religious cult, despite much evidence to the
: contrary. Thought Experiment: Suppose this exact same thing happened under
: the Bush administration. What would your answer be then? Would you still
: prefer to believe the cultists?

Yes, I would still believe that the FBI and the BATF were on a non-stop
string of lies and half-truths.  This is consistent with their operations
on numerous occasions.

And as for the BD's being murderous, they did not cause any problems until
they were assaulted by the BATF.  So now a thought experiment for you:  If
the BATF had never stormed that farm, would four agents and 90 BD's be
dead today?

: (No, I don't really expect a response to that challenge.)

: >But then
: >again, that is how Mr. Clinton was elected, by people who believe that
: >his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office.

: Um, isn't that how all politicians are elected?

Yes.  That is how politicians are elected.  Kind of scary, isn't it.  Now
if we as a people actually held Mr. Clinton to his promises instead of
apologizing and denying that he ever made them, and actually expected
accountability by our government, I doubt that debacles like Waco would
happen as often as they do.

: So is there any particular reason the gummint decided to slaughter eighty
: people? Are they, like, just plain evil, or what? Did they just wake up
: one day, stretch and yawn, and throw a dart at a map of the United States
: to figure out who to oppress that day? I'm eager to know.

Acutally, no.  THe BATF has a rather checkered history of staging raids of
this sort just prior to the time when their budget comes up for review.
Oddly enough, their budget was about to be reviewed just two weeks after
the initial raid on the BD's.  "Coincidence?  I think not!"

And as for the fire, what happened was caused by the act of knocking over
walls with an armored vehicle of destruction.  The FBI tried to convince
the world it was suicide, but all of the facts that are coming out by
the investigation of the Texas rangers and medical examiners point to
a gas explosion and quick fire that decimated all of the occupants of the
building.  Sounds to me like a law enforcement agency that is trying to
cover its ass.

: And does Bill Clinton have cooler theme music than Darth Vader? How is he
: on diabolical laughter? Does he look good in a cape? These things MUST be
: investigated. You first.

Oh, please.  If you want to argue, argue.  If  you merely want to demean those
who see this differently than you, then please go somewhere else.

: Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu


If the clutch is in, then a large chunk of counter-rotating mass is not
rotating.  Hence, at a light, reving makes it twist.  Shaft effect is the
rear end rising under power or (the real problem) getting lower to the road
when the throttle is snapped shut (say when you are cornering and the heads
are real close to the road).  New GS bikes with the paralever shaft have
almost no shaft effect.

It's a question of how long you spend at low RPM and how much you need the
extra light.  At low RPM, 3K and under, they don't charge all that much if
at all.  The alternators put out sufficient wattage, it just that you need
to be at 4K RPM to get it.

Full choke.  Open the gas taps.  Hit the starter and ever so slightly blip the
throttle.  It should fire.  Cranking should be done with minimal throttle.
My R100 likes the throttles to be raised just a bit off idle.

It's an EXPERIENCE thing.  Like Zen, it's hard to describe.  It can be hard
to learn if you aren't paying atttention to the differences between success
and failure.  Especially if you get really pissed off and flatten the
battery while trying to get it to run.

If my bike has been sitting for a few weeks, I give it a short while to
start.  If it doesn't, I turn it off and wait a few minutes for things to
vaporize in the fuel system and then it lights right off.  I've got dual
plugs which make it easier to start.

The BIG fix is the Bing carb upgrade kit.  It's good for a few MPG and the
parts are alcohol proof.  The parts it replaces aren't alcohol proof.  As
long as the bike isn't going to sit for long periods of time, gasohol is
nice since it helps keep ping away.  If your bike doesn't ping on cheap gas
you ought to raise the compression! (Half a smiley, the BMW twins of the
80s and beyond have lowered compression to keep the EPA happy.  Dual plugs
and higher compression give back a big chunk of the lost perfomance).


--
I would like to find out about the ADB connector on the back of the
macintosh powerbooks.

	After seeing several products that use it for powering devices
	on the powerbook I also thought up of something to power from
	the ADB connector (the keyboard/mouse connector)
	Does anyone have spex on it....  I know it has voltage on it
	and a serial i/o of some sort if some kind soul could tell
	me the way you talk to the mac through it (ie packet info)
	IT would BE APPRECIATED GREATLY!!!!!

	on a second note,   What are the pin outs of the
	MAC powerbook  modem connector ..   I have would like to
	know which pins are +5V, data  ETC...

		AGAIN THANKS!
			Charles


In many of our cities, there are traffic signals every 100 feet (unsynchronised,
of course (well here in Ottawa anyway)) and the roads are so congested that
shifting manually is a real pain in the left foot.  Also, most Canadians are
too stupid to learn how to shift manually (gee, I gotta co-ordinate my two
feet on the clutch, brake _and_ accelerator, and I gotta steer, shift _and_
operate the signals (optional) and radio with my two hands... duh... it
can't be done).  Also, most North American made cars come with the automatic
as standard equipment, so why bother with a manual when the car can shift
for you for no addition money.


I grew up listening to Harry Carey call the Cardinals' games and
really liked him--then. But, as I recall, he was fired because
he was too critical (read: honest) when he was announcing. He
dared to point out the Cards' miscues and such. At least, this is
what I remember from when I was a kid.


The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 55
1 22640U 93 27  A 93119.24999999  .00041555  00000-0  12437-3 0    90
2 22640  28.4657 249.3697 0008512 260.9747 152.1416 15.90732913   425


% mail newsserv@kiae.su
Subject:  PLEASE, HELP!!!

                    Dear  Ladies and  Gentlemen!

      We should be grateful for any information about address and (or)
   E-mail address of Loma-Linda Hospital (approximate position: USA,
   California, near Vaimor town, 60 miles from Los-Angelos).
      A patient needs consultation in this clinics before operation.


More than Talk:  From the FCC Rules:  73.4250 Subliminal Perception:

(a) See Public Notice, FCC 74-78, dated January 24, 1974, 44 FCC 2d, 1016; 39
Fr 3714, January 29, 1974.
(b) See FCC Information Bulletin, "Subliminal Projection" (sic, at least in my
rules service copy of the rules), dated November 1977.

Since I don't have either old copies of the Federal Register or the Information
Bulletin around, I can't tell you what you can't do on TV ( or radio) but I
seem to remember this being an unnecisarily hot subject in the late '70s.

Practically speaking, I dont have too much trouble seeing the one frame edits
in MTV promos,  badly scratched or torn single frames in films and such, but
maby that's just because the contrast between the single frame and the
surrounding material was significant.  I never believed in the one-frame type
of SP being real.

On the other hand, the Coca-Cola or Brand (insert desired name here) beer cans
conveniently placed so the brand name is visible in the movie you just watched,
that's another story, and if your TV station or network was paid by the beer
company for the privilege of doing that, there has to be a "Promotional
Consideration paid by ...) or similar message included with the program; but if
the TV station bought the movie already edited that way from the film company
and didn't get any of the payment for "brand visibility" that the film company
got, then they don't have to run the message.


Ok, this might seem a bit odd.
How do check the state of (dip)switches on the mother board of a IBM XT
WITHOUT using the BIOS.

	/Thanx


Does anyone have information about the struggles that Patti
Duke went through in her personal life with severe mood swings.
Did she have some form of chemical imbalance that triggered
these problems?  I recall that she wrote a book about her troubles.
Does someone have the title of that book?


A few months ago, in one the the motorcycle mags, there was
an article that mentioned reflector tape that was supposed to
be available thru BMW.  The idea was that the tape would look
black in sunlight, and reflect in other colors at night to
headlights.  It sounded like a nice way to add nighttime
visibility without turning the bike into a carnival attraction.

I talked to the local BMW dealer about this.  I was told that the
only thing he had heard about this kind of reflector, was it being
used in a coming line of BMW clothing (rainsuits).  He wasn't aware
of anything regarding self applied tape.

Has anyone come across this from BMW or any other source?

Thanks,


Cute anecdote, but hardly indicative of the population.  From the responses
I've received to that post (all from men, by the way) I get the impression
that unless a person is willing to drop down and masturbate whenever the
need or desire strikes, then that person is very hung up on sex.

With tv programs about "boobs" (Seinfeld) and "masturbation (again Seinfeld)
and with condoms being handed out in high schools and with the teenage
pregnancy rate and the high abortion rate here in the States, I would
not assume that we American's are frightened of sex.  Rather we are a bit
stupid about it.  Healthy sexuality does not require flamboyance or
promiscuity.  It requires responsibility.


Well, I tried this method based on responses from several people.  Either
I am a klutz(probable) or they have changed the connector.  I ended up having
to destroy the connector, put heat shrink tubing on the individual pins and
then plug them into the SB connector in the correct order.  It works great
this way so this turned out just fine.  It certainly sounded easy based on
other people's experiences but my attempts did not go too well...

John

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I am interested in finding 3D animation programs for the Mac.
I am especially interested in any programs that don't exist
in a PC port and are so good that they would make me go buy
a Mac.  Do any such exist?


	Can't we just stick this guy in the FAQ and stop responding to him,
guys? The last several flame-wars with him have been pretty much identical.
Could someone just collect all the articles from this one, and simply
re-post the entire block whenever he tries to start one? It'd be simpler.
Roger apparently is one of those embarassing specimens who enjoys flames.
Why give him what he wants?

	Oh, Roger.. You're dull.. very dull... You should get a new act.


I have been using a HDS X-terminal, and really like it. What
is really powerful is that it can run the X server without
running a window manager. One can then run a special client
X program called a window manager, either (1) run
motif or openlook from it's own firmware (limiting the network
traffic - but having no HOME). or (2) run motif or openlook
from some home place (like a sparc, or vms).

This is powerful, especially since I can exit one window manager
(without killing windows) and then start up another manager.
(Some of my VMS tools need special meta-mouse combos that work in
one manager and not the other).

Well the question is:

  On a sparcstation running openlook, does anyone know how to
  break apart olwm from the olwm_slave program? Basically I
  want to run only the server, and go somewhere else to run
  the window manager.

---
Please respond my e-mail (as well as posting) because of the
large volumes in window.X)

Thanks.


That's expected. The first sentence describing the bitmap resource in the
MenuButton section of the "Athena Widget Set - C Language Interface"
documentation states

      bitmap      A bitmap to display instead of the label.

One way round this might be to make use of the button's backgroundPixmap
resource, but remember that you, or a user of your application, won't be able
to set it from a resource file. Also, the button won't automatically be the
size of the bitmap. The bitmap will be tiled if necessary, or you could set the
button's dimensions to match its size.

Jim


Two or three years ago I saw a report on TV about a company that had
developed a method of making solar cells on a flexible substrate. My
failing memory has convinced me it was some flexible metal. I now have
an application that requires a flexible solar cell and was hoping someone
out in netland knows something about this company or a similar product.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Major League Baseball is trying to expand its appeal to people with shorter
attention spans (i.e. the football crowd). (-:  Invariably, all the
arguments from people who don't like to watch baseball on T.V. say the
same thing:  the games are too long and too boring.  Baseball is trying
to find a way to shorten the games for wider T.V. appeal.  If you look at
it, though, baseball games last around the same amount of time as football
games.  The difference is that there is "more action" in that duration in
football games.  Perhaps if there were "more action" in baseball games, you
would get more of those fans to tune in.  Anyway, coming up with a solution
to make baseball more appealing to a bigger crowd is going to be difficult.
[On soapbox] Yet another reason to get a commisioner NOW since it's obvious
that ruling baseball by comittee works about as fast as a snail race in
Nebraska. [Off soapbox]

-Steve


I am trying to design a small 90mW 472MHz FM transmitter for remote alarm
use.

Is there an FM transmitter IC available that can be used for this purpose?

Any help, circuits, info etc will be greatfully accepted.

Please reply to bsc_graham@seqeb.gov.au

Thanks in advance.


As the Rangers found out in last year's playoffs, it's too late to
try line-juggling at this point.

gld


     Since Image Writer LQ was discontinued, there is no Apple Talk
     printer with 11"*15" continous paper printer.

     I would like to know is there are any possibility to connect
     an IBM compatible printer to an Apple Talk net directly (or
     with a Net Serial hardware), and if I need any other software
     to do it.

I've have not found quite the solution yet. The following comes from
MacUser's MiniFinders:

The Grappler IIsp is a dot matrix-printer interface cartridge that
emulates the Imagewriter LQs. Includes networking and spooling
software that allows multiple users... $159 Orange Micro 714-779-2772

If you find out any more information, please let me know because in
the future I have the same problem, or if anyone else has the
information please post. Thanks


[Someone quoted the following.  I've removed the name because it's not
clear which name goes with which level of quote.  --clh]

On the basis of these examples I would say that Joe Moore was only wrong
in claiming Augustine as a prime mover of the sin=sex view.  These quotes
clearly equate sexuality with defilement and incontinance, even within
the marriage relationship (else they would not apply to Mary after her marriage
to Joseph).

So Joe's assignment of the reasoning behind the concept of the perpetual
virginity of Mary does seem to be supported by these quotes.


Knight Riders has got to be one of the silliest
movies I've ever seen.


controler
prodrive
you
are
want
on
money.
cable.
and
the

Is this true??? I was under the impression that people on the net had both
SCSI and IDE working together.


The color of the board shows the composition of it, hence the use of it.

Original and older boards were bakelite composition, and were brown.
Phenolic (spelling) was a tan
Most "non filled" fiberglass boards used in computers are green.
Filled fiberglass is blue.
Teflon is white.

As boards evolved more and more demands were made of them.  First boards were
used mainly in audio circuitry.  Couldn't be used in high voltage or RF because
it would arc and burn.  Most boards today are fiberglass, the type being chosen
by its use and cost.

Boards in satellite and microwave communication are teflon (and ceramic) as the
fiberglass, and other boards are conductive (they actually work more as a
capacitive dialectric, but the word conductive simplifies explaination) at the
high frequencies.

Another printed circuit material used mainly in automotive and interconnections
is a thin flexible (mostly mylar) material and is used to connect the front of
the vehicle (etc) to the back instead of wiring harnesses.  Camcorders use this
to intereconnect the boards inside where wires would be a nuisance.

Am working on a generator made by Hewlet Packard right now and the entire board
is gold plated, boy it looks expensive!!!

Hope I got most of my facts right as I am working from memory of material read.

My education was pre-transister!
--
73, Tom
================================================================================
Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician.  Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia
(604)753-3245, Loc 2230  Fax:755-8742  Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle
Snail mail to:  Site Q4, C2.   RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9


zyda@cs.nps.navy.mil (Michael Zyda) notes:

I had the same problem and called the people who handle the box; the
problem happened some time ago and was caught almost instantly.  All
registrations going to that address are now fixed.  See what trouble
you get into when you don't procrastinate, Mike?

And no, SIGGRAPH 93 has not skipped town -- we're preparing the best
SIGGRAPH conference yet!


In <1993Apr20.004119.6119@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)

Why? How? Might makes right? How can they force their morality on me? Why
can't I do what I want? Who are they to decide? What if I disagree?

Good point, but it is being immoral in our opinion.  We don't let them choose,
we make the decision that their actions are wrong for them.

  For someone to lay claim to an alternative

I admit to lean toward the idea of an innate moral sense, but have little basis
for it as of yet.  How far can such a concept be extended?

 and

Do you mean that we could say it would be wrong for us to do such a thing but
not him.  After all, he was behaving morally in his own eyes and doing what he
chose.  On what basis do we condemn other societies besides, here's the buzz
words, on the idea that there are some actions wrong for all humans in all
societies?

  Holding that morality is subjective does not mean

Why not? Do we have to be objective suddenly?

MAC
--
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                                                    Michael A. Cobb
 "...and I won't raise taxes on the middle     University of Illinois
    class to pay for my programs."                 Champaign-Urbana
          -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate             cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu


I am selling a Western Digital 212 meg IDE HD, the Caviar 2200 model.  The
access time is <15 ms, and it has a built in cache.  It is BRAND NEW, still
in the original static bag.  Asking $275, obo.


A friend recently bought a used 286.  The brand is Syntrex.  It didn't come with any documentation and I am trying to find some information about the computer.  So the question is, has anyone heard of it?  If you know anything about these please drop me a note.

Thank you


I don't know much about phones in Germany, but this is what I know: I bought
a phone in the U.S. for my mother who lives in Bratislava, Slovakia and it
works just fine. The problem is they don't have wall jacks like we do here.
There is a wire without any jack at the end sticking out of the wall. So you
need to connect the wires (I'm not sure if they have wall jacks in Western
Europe - they may). Hope this helps. Dagmar kniha@carson.u.washington.edu


The whole point is, maybe everyone _doesn't want_ to participate.

[...]

Blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it that is
supported by taxpayer money is the only way to keep christianity from
becoming the official U.S. religion.

Not noticing that danger is utterly idiotic.


Close, but no cigar.  The LISA was introduced in January, 1983 (at the
same time as the Apple //e).  I'll have to check to see if the Hard
Drive came bundled for the $10K.  The floppy drives were 5.25"
initially (the infamous "twiggy" drives)


Freebie and the Bean, GREAT chase scene on a trials bike!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----


Hi,
  I've seen alot of ads for voicemail/fax/data modems.....this would
be way-cool if they work well....I don't want to have someone call me
and get the connecting sound of a fax machine.  Do they work very well?
Has anyone out there played with one?  If so, please tell me what brand
and other info like that.....
					Thanks,
					Kent


You've asked a toughie of a question.  There are many different drugs which
are used for chemotherapy.

The overall purpose of chemotherapy (don't worry about the spelling.  Some of
these crazy medical words are impossible to spell! :-) is to either destroy
cancer cells or to keep them from growing.  Different drugs have different
effects on cancer cells, and therefore, it is not uncommon to use more than
one drug at a time.

Some chemotherapeutic drugs are effective anytime during the growth cycle
of a cell.  Others work only at specific times during the cell cycle.

The first phase of the cell cycle is G1; it is when the protein synthesis
and RNA systhesis occurs.  In the second phase, S, synthesis of DNA occurs.
The third phase is G2; The DNA splits and RNA and protein are synthesized
aagain.  In the fourth phase, M (or Mitosis), the cell may divide.

There are drugs which are effective in each phase.  Some stop DNA synthesis.
Others stop the cell from dividing. Others wreck protein synthesis.
At any rate, the end result that is being sought is for the cancer cells
to stop growing.

If what you are seeking is "practical" advice, I apologize for rambling
on the techno stuff.  Some side effects are pretty common.  Chemo. drugs
are rather nasty.  It can cause a person to lose their appetite and to
experience nausea and vomiting.  Things to help this include eating small
frequent meals.  It is also suggested that if nausea/vomiting (hereafter
known as n/v) occurs that the person notify the doctor; there are medicines
tthat help nausea.  Diarrhea can be an effect.  Antidiarrheal medications
can be given, and good skincare and fluid intake are important.

Probably the one of biggest concsern is hair loss.  This does not always
happen.  It depends on what drugs are being given, and on the person
themself.  Different people taking the same drug can and do have different
side effects.  I have seen some literature which states that wearing a snug
headband and/or wearing an ice cap can help reduce hair loss, presumably
by reducing blood flow to the scalp.  If anyone has seen research on this
too, I would love to see it, and possibly some bib data.

I highly recommend making contact with the American Cancer Society.
They have a vast selection of literature and information.  In addition,
if your friend has had a mastectomy, I highly recommend "Reach for Recovery".
It is a support group comprised entirely of women who have lost a breast
because of cancer.  They can offer some excellent support and suggestions.

If you have further questions, please send me E-mail.  I hav some good
access to information, and I enjoy trying to help other people.


My understanding of the academic use of the word cult is that it is
a group of people oriented around a single authority figure. It need
not be religious. However, I have seen plenty of religious cults,
including some that mainstream.


...
: We would like to keep it that way. Thats the point. By reacting
: strongly and forcefully now, we will assure that we continue to remain
: free. You cannot overreact to a threat like this. The worst that
: happens if we overreact is that we waste time and effort. The worst that
: happens if we underreact is tyranny. I prefer overreaction myself.
....
: Only through centuries of overreaction have we managed to maintain
: ourselves in this state of even moderate freedom. I suggest that
: overreacting now and in the future is a good thing.

Perry is right on target here. Careful analysis of the Clipper Chip
announcement reveals that is *not* likely to remain "voluntary" for
very long...the cost of the system, the cost of generating and _then
storing_ the escrow keys, and the admitted security holes pretty much
make the ClipperPhone a loser.

Strong crypto will outcompete it, if strong crypto is allowed. This is
the battle we face.

We had rumblings of this totalitarian key registration thing a while
back, and now the other shoe has dropped. The firestorm of commentary
and criticism this time around reveals the almost immediate revulsion
this Wiretap Chip (and automatic Caller ID and Callee ID, don't
forget!) generates in everyone, or almost everyone, who hears about
it.

This is a battle we can't afford to lose.

-Tim May


Last night CNN reported that FBI has infrared pictures showing
that the fires started in three places at the same time. That
would indicate something not resembling an accident.

Cheers,
Kent


Yea, I think not also. Israel's #1 issue is "Security" so *any* outcomes
of "negotiation" certainly need to address ISREAL'S perception of this
issue.

The problem is is defining (by "outsiders", by Israel, and by the Arabs
themselves) what is the #1 issue to the Arab side. Is it "Palestinian
statehood", is it that Israel as a state should not and must not be
allowed to exist, is it that the existence of a self-governing non-
muslim "state" in the "Islamic World" is intolerable...what? Just as
the dividing line between Israel-fighting-for-security and Israel-fighting-
to-expand is often hard to discern by "outsiders" (especially to the Arab
world), so the rationale behind the Arab-struggle-to-undermine-Israel-in-
any-way could either be based on visceral rejectionism or a sense of being
wronged that still values peace, who knows which.

Anyway, in these talks, what "gestures" would you think would be seen
by Israel as "substantial"?


And Fleury is no enforcer. An agitator for sure, but Fleury never has and never
will have a fight, which seems to be what you're saying Wood is.

The closest Fleury ever came to fighting was a game two years ago against
Los Angeles. There was a scrum and McSorley pinched Fleury's head under his
arm. Fleury dropped his gloves and gave McSorley a weak shot to the side of the
head. McSorely, knowing a good thing when he saw one, popped Fleury one right
between the eyes. End of fight. Fleury got ten stitches for his trouble.

The only player I can ever see Theo fighting is Cliff Ronning, and even then
he'd be giving up two inches and 10-15 pounds. :-)


"The Preferred Applications Development Platform"
according to 432 of the Fortune 1000 corporations
Survey by Sentry Market Research Survey
(All percentages)

                1992            1993

Unix              18              28
Mainframe         35              22
DOS & MSW         24              18
OS/2               8              17
Midrange          14              14

This is from `Corporate Computing', May 1993, page 28.
It's interesting to see how the greatest vapour-project of the world
has not been able to make much of a difference here :-)

Before you think it's a interesting rag, they have this incredibly
incompetent article/opinion piece by someone named Robert Ziff which
has preposturous statements like "Sun has sold around 300
multiprocessing servers"!!!!!!  (In that case USC has around 4% of all
Sun MP servers on earth :-)) He is off by a factor of 50? 100?
I thought of sending them a "factual disaster" email message; they have
a column titled "how to contact us" but being silly PCheads they seem
to have never heard of the Internet.

These may also be of interest:

World computer market share by broad category (%)

                                1991            1996

DOS, Windows, Netware           37.0            40.0
Unix                            11.6            21.0
IBM Mainframe                   17.4            14.4
VAX/VMS                          3.7             2.6
IBM minis                        4.1             4.0
Macintosh                        3.6             4.6
Other                           22.6            13.4

Totally                 $155 billion

1996 projections are by IDC
Source: Unix World, Jan 1993

1993 Unix hardware sales by category

                             $billion        installed-base

Workstations                 14.1            3 million
Midrange                      7.4            1 million
Large-scale                   1.8
PC Unix                       0.6            2 million

Total                        23.9


I'm looking to buy the annual Playboy magazine  issue featuring
girls from colleges around the US. Specificly, I want issues from
1989, 1990, 1991 and 1992. One of these features a girl I went to
high school with, so I'm curious to see how it turned out. All help
is appreciated.


I wish I caught the original post, but anyway ...

The problem is that the Plus's poor old power supply (sometimes referred to as
the analog sweep board) is on its way out. Apart from a board swap (bikkies to
Apple), there's not much the average Joe can do to fix it.

You can, of course, try and re-adjust the voltage levels (the 5v rail should
be as close to 5v as you cn get it) but this is more often than not a
temporary fix. A copy of Larry Pina's "Macntosh Repair & Upgrade Secrets" is a
worthwhile investment for the serious do-it-yaself-er.


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Make offers


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I have a friend who has one ticket from ATLANTA to CIN, OH.  It is one seat
in economy class on Delta.  The ticket is the return half of a round trip.
It is currently in a woman's name.  She does not need to fly back.  Need to
sell the ticket.  Flyer would go standby because ticket is dated. Asking $90.

I am posting this for my friend.  Please do not email responses to me.
Instead contact Rick at 513-271-4169.


I have two UN-opened, NEW Epson Action Printers 2250 for sale.
List price at CompUSA is $169, I'm asking $100 + shipping for each.

My friend and I got the printers at a promotional event at one of
the CompUSA stores near our area.  We didn't need printers, so we're
selling it.

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How are you, Everybody?

I installed X11R5 on our IBM RS6000 workstation. OS version is AIX 3.2.3.
There was no problem in installation.
But there was a problem in invoking 'xinit'.
When I invoke 'xinit', there is a error message as follows:

giving up.
xinit: unable to connect to X server
xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.

I'm a navice. So I don't know the reason why I get this message.
Please help me. I am waiting for your help.

Thanks for reading this mail.


for those who live near or plan to vacation in New Hampshire
and Maine, I am posting the basic info of how to
apply for a LTC (CCW) in those states for non-residents.


Gosh, I have to associate with heterosexuals against my will every day!
That means you've imposed your moral codes on me, now doesn't it?
Fortunately, I have taken the time to get to know some members
of the het community and discovered that, hey!  They really AREN'T all evil
elitists with no concept of reality!

I've got a few clues for you.  (a) I'm not working to pass any laws.  (b)
Our morals are YOUR morals: I imagine you value freedom.  So do we.  If you
value your own freedom, you must necessarily accept that these laws are
important to protect it.  After all, discriminate in one area and you're
open to discriminate in the rest.  (c) I suggest learning a bit more about
gays, lesbians, and bis before you post the kind of drivel you have been.
It's obvious that you haven't a clue who you're talking about.

But not between members of the same sex, right?  How can you live with such
hypocrisy?

Drewcifer


Today the Texas ME found two people, a man and a woman shot in the head
inside the burned compound. But these were not the people that the FBI
described a few days before. The FBI said that the person found in front of
the compound had been shot and several children were also. The two people
found today were on top of the main inside concrete bunker that provided
the most protection during the fire. So the comment that children were
shot is still not proved.


[...deletions...]

An "Islamic Bank" is something which operates in a different fashion to
your modern bank, as I have explained here (on another thread) before.
For example, Islamic banks don't pay fixed interests on deposits, but a
return on investments (which varies according to the market, and is not
fixed like interest is).

Islamic banks are a relatively new phenomenon in the Islamic world.
There are no Islamic banks in "the West", including the USA, to my
knowledge.  I doubt if the market for them exists there -- at least not
while "Islamic banks" are at a relatively early stage of their
development as is the case now.  BCCI is most certainly not an "Islamic
bank" -- did BCCI ever pay a fixed interest rate on deposits?  If the
answer to this question is "yes", then BCCI was not an Islamic bank, as
Islamic banks are specifically set up to _not_ pay or charge interest.

Whether some Muslims partially owned the bank or whatever is completely
irrelevant.


This isn't quite true - depending on the number of local bus slots, and
whether or not the device is integrated into the mother board, it is
possible to run local bus at up to 40 and 50 mhz. I've also spoken to a few
people who run standard local bus video cards at 50 mhz without trouble
(and a couple of people who couldn't get a lb card to work at that speed).


   I saw this nifty drawn out posting and I thought I might give the two of you
   a little help with your problem. As you both know what you posted,(and this
   foolish thing gave me so much shit last time I tried to post) I took the
   liberty of deleting all but the header and a single quote. I hope you don't
   mind.

   As written the second ammendment states rather clearly for anyone who can
   read the following:

 "  A well regulated militia, being necessarry to the security of a free state,
   the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

  What is regulated? Regulated means "controlled"! How about security?
  Well hey! That would be along the lines of being and feeling safe wouldn't
  it? Wow! We have a concept forming here don't we!? Now what have we left?
  "the right of the people people people people people people people (sorry
  got kinda hungup there) shall NOT be infringed" Oops! Backup there,hmmm..
  "infringed"....That'd be like Interfered with, altered, changed or
  watered down in any way,shape or form! So! What we have here in it's big old
  long winded version would be.

  " A well controlled militia, being necessary to the secure/safe feeling of
  state, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be Fucked
  with in any way shape or form by some happy ass good for nothing in
  some piddly government building who wants to run my life in the pursuit of
  his happiness!" The item is clear and concise in it's present form my young
  friend! It does not need my clarification or that of any other. THIS IS
  ONLY AMMENDMENT which guarantees the continued existence of the others.
  It's whole purpose is to give people recourse against the military machine
  of a government which fails to properly represent it's creators!US!

ANY REPLIES OR COMMENTS CAN BE SENT TOO KANE.    DJH4484@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU

"No representative government need fear it's armed citizens"

"Death to Tyrants!"


Log onto SuperMac's BBS (408) 773-4500 and download the Drive 7 Manager
software you will find there. If you can't or don't want to call their BBS,
call their Tech Support number, (408) 245-0646.

Lynn


This response originally fell into a bit bucket.  I'm reposting it
just so Bill doesn't think I'm ignoring him.

Bill,

I'm sorry to have been busy lately and only just be getting around to
this.

Apparently you have some fundamental confusions about atheism; I think
many of these are well addressed in the famous FAQ.  Your generalisms
are then misplaced -- atheism needn't imply materialism, or the lack
of an absolute moral system.  However, I do tend to materialism and
don't believe in absolute morality, so I'll answer your questions.

An atheist judges value in the same way that a theist does: according
to a personal understanding of morality.  That I don't believe in an
absolute one doesn't mean that I don't have one.  I'm just explicit,
as in the line of postings you followed up, that when I express
judgment on a moral issue I am basing my judgment on my own code
rather than claiming that it is in some absolute sense good or bad.
My moral code is not particular different from that of others around
me, be they Christians, Muslims, or atheists.  So when I say that I
object to genocide, I'm not expressing anything particularly out of
line with what my society holds.

If your were to ask why I think morality exists and has the form it
does, my answer would be mechanistic to your taste -- that a moral
code is a prerequisite for a functioning society, and that humanity
probably evolved morality as we know it as part of the evolution of
our ability to exist in large societies, thereby achieving
considerable survival advantages.  You'd probably say that God just
made the rules.  Neither of us can convince the other, but we share a
common understanding about many moral issues.  You think you get it
from your religion, I think I get it (and you get it) from early
childhood teaching.

I think you've been reading the wrong sort of comic books, but in
prying through the gobbledygook I basically agree with what you're
saying.  I do believe that my mental reactions to stimuli such as "God
commanded the genocide of the Canaanites" is mechanistic, but of
course I think that's true of you as well.  My reaction has little to
do with whether God exists or even with whether I think he does, but
if a god existed who commanded genocide, I could not consider him
good, which is supposedly an attribute of God.

Hmm.  Yes, I think some heavy FAQ-reading would do you some good.  I
have as much place discussing values etc. as any other person.  In
fact, I can actually accomplish something in such a discussion, by
framing the questions in terms of reason: for instance, it is clear
that in an environment where neighboring tribes periodically attempt
to wipe each other out based on imagined divine commands, then the
quality of life will be generally poor, so a system that fosters
coexistence is superior, if quality of life is an agreed goal.  An
absolutist, on the other hand, can only thump those portions of a
Bible they happen to agree with, and say "this is good", even if the
act in question is unequivocally bad by the standards of everyone in
the discussion.  The attempt to define someone or a group of people as
"excluded from discussion", such that they "cannot participate", and
their opinions given "no weight whatsoever" is the lowest form or
reasoning (ad hominem/poisoning the well), and presumably the resort
of someone who can't rationally defend their own ideas of right,
wrong, and the Bible.
--
Jim Perry   perry@dsinc.com   Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC
These are my opinions.  For a nominal fee, they can be yours.


Hi Stephen
Ear wax is a healthy way to help prevent ear infections, both by preventing
a barrier and also with some antibiotic properties.  Too much can block the
external auditory canal (the hole in the outside of the ear) and cause some
hearing problems.  It is very simple, and safe, to remove excess wax on your
own, or at your physician's office.  You can take a syringe (no needles!) and
fill it with 50% warm water (cold can cause fainting) and 50% OTC hydrogen
peroxide.  Then point the ear towards the ceiling ( about 45 degrees up)
and insert the tip of the syringe (helps to have someone else do this!) and
firmly expell the solution.  Depending on the size of the syringe and the
tenacity of the wax, this could take several rinses.  If you place a bowl
under the ear to catch the water, it will be much drier :-).  You can buy
a syringe with a special tip at your local pharmacy, or just use whatever
you may have.  If wax is old, it will be harder, and darker.  You can try
adding a few drops of olive oil into the ear during a shower to soften up
the wax.  Do this for a couple days, then try syringing again.  It is also
safe to point your ear up at the shower head, and allow the water to rinse
it out.
Good Luck
-heather


: >
: >	On Tuesday, when it was raining in Chicago, ESPN provided
: >bonus hockey coverage.  Now it seems as though some fans are ticked off
: >that the NY-Wash OT was replaced with the Angels-?? game.  People must
: >realize that there are more baseball fans instead of hockey fans in the U.S
: >The baseball game was scheduled to air and advertisers money was paid so
: >they can't skip the baseball game.  Why don't you people CHILL OUT
: >and enjoy whatever coverage you can get.

Well, partly because I, as an ardent fan of both sports, would rather
see Game 3 of the NHL playoffs than Game 3 of 162 of the MLB
season (even if the bb game involves the Red Sox).

ESPN may have had contractual obligations. I understand that part.
But it's a bit inaccurate to call us "selfish" just because we want
to watch the watch the game we love. Am I, as a baseball fan, "selfish"
when I get pissed a CBS for showing approximately one game per month?
I don't think so.

While, ESPN may have contractual obligations, we, as their consumers,
have a right to voice our displeasure with how they are serving us.
There's certainly nothing wrong with that.


Hey man! -

Having spent the past season learning to skate and having played a
couple of sessions of mock hockey, I'm ready to invest in hockey
equipment (particularly since I will be taking summer 'hockey
lessons').  However, I am completely and profoundly ignorant when it
comes to hockey equipment.  I've checked out local stores and looked
at catalogs, but I was hoping to solicit opinions/suggestions before
actually plunking down any money.  Having played football in high
school and college I at least have that equipment as a basis for
comparison.  But for example what are the advantages/disadvantages to
different kinds of shoulder pads and pants/girdles?  Are there any
notoriously bad or unsafe brands or styles?  etc.  So any suggestions
or comments would be greatly appreciated.


I keep my 13" apple trinitron and IIsi on for months at a time...doesn't
seem to cause any problems.

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Any lock including the Kyptonite utypes are EASY to break into if the person has
the proper supplies and/or motivation. 3 minutes and your bike is gone!
I would be glad to explain but I dont want to contribute to any unlawful
activities. Especially since I have a bike that I would hate to see ripped off
by such a trival tactic. WARNING NO lock alone is a safe deterent against theft,
the thief doesnt need to be a locksmith or a lock-picker to walk away with your
property!  I personally think motion alarms in combination to a lock
of this type is the way to go if in fact you are that concerned.


I'm having a slight problem with the POV raytracer.  I'm not sure if
this is the correct group to post to or not.  I create .tga files on
a unix machine using pov.  Then when i download them to display on my pc,
they're listed as bad files.  But when I create the file on my pc, it displays
fine.  Are unix .tga's incompatible with the pc?  An easy solution to this
problem would be a unix targa->gif converter.  Anyone know where I could
find one?  Any help on this subject is appreciated.


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I see it as the camel's nose.

I'm willing to take my chances on winning the whole thing, personally.
-Ekr


According to my *Glossary of Astronomy and Astrophysics*:
"parsec (abbreviation for parallax second) 	The distance at which
one astronomical unit subtends an angle of 1 second of arc.  1 pc =
206,265 AU = 3.086 X 10^13 km = 3.26 lt-yr."

George


 > Bruins have never come back to win after falling behind 2-0 in
 > their entire 68-year history.

   Which doesn't mean much since the statistics are mostly based on
the 5-game playoff format. But, yes, it looks dark for the B's. What a
disappointment.

   Still, I think the problem is mental. They needed the saves Blue
came up with, perhaps he can offer something to mentally rally around.

   Who do you think gets the start in game three? I hope it is going
to be Blue. If the team can rally around him, maybe Moog can too.


It isn't.  ;-)

Use tar on the Un*x box and gtak110.zip on the DOS box. Needs ASPI driver.

Ralf


I have for sale 2 (TWO) x 1 MEG (70ns) SIMMS for the Macintosh aka fastones.
If you are interested, please email an offer.


        I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but since the majority
of the contributors (and may be even readers) of this newsgroup seem
to be muslims, christians and jews, my question could be of some
interest to any of them.
        It's my impression that both Islam and Christianity pay great
respect to an obscure 1st century jewish lad from Judea/Galilee. Why
they chose this particular jew among all possible jews is a mystery
to me (personally, I prefer Woody Allen - his stories are much juicier)
- but perhaps it's an accident of history.
        Anyway, it seems that they may be talking about two different
jews. According to the New Testament his father's name was Joseph,
while in Qur'an he appears as Zachariah.
        Who's right and why the name difference? I'm really curious.
                David.


I noticed you post in comp.graphics and know a person with your name.  I was
wondering if you used to live in Paxton Mass.  If so, I have a friend that
would like to say HI.

Sorry for the inconvience if this isn't who I think it is.


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     Ph: (710) 892 - 0714

Accelerometers are not cheap, mainly because the outputs are fairly linear
with respect to acceleration.  You don't say what the range of acceleration
you want to measure is, and there are other ways in which to measure it
other than using an accelerometer.  Additional information would be helpful
to anyone who may respond.


Is it possible to have xdm put up a multi-line greeting?  If so, how do
I specify such a thing in the Xresources file?  I don't have much
(anything) for X books, so I can't look it up.  Thanks.

--
Mark Van Overbeke                   Systems Software Programmer
Computing Services                  BITNET:    Mark@UMNMOR.BITNET   (VMS)
University of Minnesota, Morris     INTERNET:  Mark@caa.mrs.umn.edu (VMS)
Morris, MN   56267           1-612-589-6378    mark@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Ultrix)


I like this statement, though for my own reasons.  Cost comparisons depend
a lot on whether the two options are similar, and *then* it becomes very
revealing to consider what their differences are.  Can Soyuz launch the
Long Exposure Facility?  Course not.  Will the Shuttle take my television
relay to LEO by year's end?  Almost certainly not, but the Russians are
pretty good about making space accessible on a tight schedule.

Comparing S and SS points up that there are TWO active space
launcher-and-work-platform resources, with similarities and differences.
Where they are in direct competition, we may get to see some market
economics come into play.

tombaker


You have clearly demonstrated that you do not even know
what my religion is in order to make that assumption.

How I can present any argument when you put your hands over your
eyes and devise new irrevelant excuses each time?  The fact remains,
you want to argue about something that you do not know anything about.
Do you not have to learn a topic first before you can reasonably debate
the topic?

Which brings us about to the start of this thread.  You began
perverting Bible verses, interpreting them without investigation.
For if you desired to investigate, you would have changed your
tune immediately.   Thus it is clear to me.  You do not believe
what I am saying because "you don't want to" check it out.

Then you must have also ignored every other post I have written
to you.  This would seem to go along with your character.


u920496@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Erik Martino Hansen) writes

Arthur C. Clarke was way ahead of you on this one... he wrote a short story
(title?) in the 1950s describing exactly your proposal!


Bill James is, however, very closely tied to STATS.


I'm waiting for June first to roll around when I can then get my
hands on PC-Solaris...Unix for the Intel chip!  I know that there
are many of other unix possibilities out there, but this includes
the Wabi (Windows API Binary Interface...I think) technology that wil
run Windows apps straight outta da box.  If this flies in enhanced mode,
then here's another contender to look out for in the corporate/education
market.

Too big and complex for the home front...Windows 4/Mac Sys7 will take those
while Win4Wkgrps - NT - OS/2 will fight it out for the small-to-mid businesses.

However, once the PowerPC becomes available (especially in laptop/notebook form)
then these will migrate into all markets....the ability to connect up to a unix
machine at work and yet still run Windows/Mac apps at home is going to be real
attractive to alot of people!!!

Just my predictions.

Mike


Nah, Cherry will only spew if Ulf was nailing "a good Canadian boy".

What an idiot... if this is the heart and soul of Canadian patriotism,
then someone needs a new hobby...


I am currently in the throes of a hay fever attack.  SO who certainly
never reads Usenet, let alone Sci.med, said quite spontaneously "
There are a lot of mushrooms and toadstools out on the lawn at the
moment.  Sure that's not your problem?"

Well, who knows?  Or maybe it's the sourdough bread I bake?

After reading learned, semi-learned, possibly ignorant and downright
ludicrous stuff in this thread, I am about ready to believe anything :-)

If the hayfever gets any worse, maybe I will cook those toadstools...


Everything we need to know about the seven seals is already
in the bible.  There is no "knowledge" of the seals that
Koresh could have.

Unless the FBI were to kill all publishers of the bible, it
would seem the story of the seven seals would be bound to
leak out.


Always has been??????

Even before he was even conceived of? That's a neat trick.

Always will be??????

We leave a lot of room for error don't we.

Hopefully I missed an earlier post that this was with regard to otherwise ...
well I leave that to the individual to fill in but I will say what about
Gehrig! (shortened and not capitalized for the ease of the reader)


Unless the patient has a very short life expectancy, the possible complications
from a hernia that hasn't been repaired far outweigh the risks of surgery.
The risks of surgery, anyway, are minimal. Unless they are exceedingly large,
hernias can be fixed under local anesthesia.
Don't forget that hernias are one the leading causes of small bowel obstruction.
And the smaller the hernia is, the higher the chances that a loop of bowel will
become incarcerated or strangulated.

===============================


And he pitched many not-so-outstanding ballgames, too.

Jack essentially pitched a lot of .500 ball last year.  This certainly
isn't irrelevant, and iif you replace Morris with replacement level quality
the Blue Jays might not win.

Re leadership, I don't see it.  If the leadership effect is there for
a starting pitcher, you would expect to see its primary effect on the
pitching staff.  You would expect to see the rest of the staff improve.
Instead, the rest of the staff declined.

You can make a reasonable argument for Winfield providing leadership;
the offense picked up considerably from its effectiveness the previous
year. I'm not saying I buy that, but at least that argument makes
internal sense.

Greg


Well, the best thing to do is to read the book "Parallel Universes"
by Dr. Fred Wolf.

In essence, Dr. Wolf says that one interpretation of the sub-atomic
particle/wave duality is that what we perceive as a wave is actually
an infinate number of parallel universes overlaid, and in each of
these universes there is a particle in a different location. When we
do something to make a particle "appear," we are actually causing
all the parallel universes to collapse into one. Apparently this is
one line of thought on the nature of QM, that is going through some
of the scientific community.

Dr. Wolf (and many others) claim that somehow the collapse is caused
by the mental effort of observing the particle. This implys that
mind is more than merely a biological phenomenon. He then extrapolates
that if mind is an integral part of the universe, then perhaps consciousness
is the element that gives order and form to the universe(s) it/themself(s).

It all gets rather interesting, but what I find facinating is that
this would explain the phenomenon of "magick" as practiced in my
religion. Dr. Wolf speculates that the ordering functionality of mind
could be caused by the selection of a future from an infinite number of
possible futures; he says that this might be done by some sort of
communication between ones current, and possible future selves.
I have long speculated that if magick is not merely a form of self
delusion then perhaps it could be caused by some sort of a selection
of one of many possible futures.

I realize that this gets pretty bizarre, but it never hurts to keep
an open mind and at least file it all away as another possibile
explaination of the world in which we find ourselves. After all, the
more we learn about the universe in which we live, the more we learn
that it is truly a very strange place.


   >I'm afraid this doesn't work either. We can pick up laptop screens without any
   >problem. [...]

   I heard somewhere (can't name the source) that TEMPEST does not necessarily
   pick-up just CRTs, but it can pick up emissions from almost any chip.  If
   that is true, the kind monitor would not make any difference becuase everything
   on the screen can be picked-up from the video controller.  Can anybody verify
   or refute this?

Yes, that's true.  TEMPEST is nothing magic, it's just listening to any
available electromagnetic emissions and using all the analysis techniques
you know to separate out the interesting stuff.

The nice thing about old CRTs is that they used to put out LOTS of
signal, so they're easy to detect, and if you do your sync carefully,
you can watch the output on the monitor in your deceptively-marked
Chevy Step-Van.  Some brands of electric typewriters were even worse.
In both cases, it's especially nice because it gets you the data the
user is looking at, rather than whatever stuff the paging algorithm is
paging out to disk, etc.

With newer, quieter equipment, there isn't as much signal, and it's harder to
isolate the fun parts.  TEMPEST-rated equipment has much lower signal levels.
But "Everything has vibrations", as Master Chuan said.


On the subject of ghostscript, it will also solve the earlier request
of converting postscript to HPGL to filter into Interleaf.


Think!

It's the SCSI card doing the DMA transfers NOT the disks...

The SCSI card can do DMA transfers containing data from any of the SCSI devices
it is attached when it wants to.

An important feature of SCSI is the ability to detach a device. This frees the
SCSI bus for other devices. This is typically used in a multi-tasking OS to
start transfers on several devices. While each device is seeking the data the
bus is free for other commands and data transfers. When the devices are
ready to transfer the data they can aquire the bus and send the data.

On an IDE bus when you start a transfer the bus is busy until the disk has seeked
the data and transfered it. This is typically a 10-20ms second lock out for other
processes wanting the bus irrespective of transfer time.


I may be misreading you here.  Are you saying the American Revolution
wasn't a good idea because it was bad odds?

I kind of doubt that any revolution, armed or otherwise, was ever started
without vast amounts of failed "working within a system".  A good sign of
a system being not worth preserving would probably be that very inability
to work within it productively.


This is almost certainly a MacBinary file which is an encoded version
of a mac file so the Resource fork and Data fork get preserved.
You need a program that converts this to a regular file. If this is a
macbinary file, you may have downloaded it in Text mode and is probably
corrupt (if you did). If you're using FTP to transfer it at any point make sure
you type "binary" first.

If you can open the file with a text editor and find
(This file must be converted with Bin....
at the top, it is a BinHex file and can be decoded with
BinHex 4.0 (among other programs).


I will take $375 for the whole package.  Original post follows:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Article: 61358 of misc.forsale
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: SyQuest internal 44 drive with 8 cartridges: sale or trade
Summary: Will trade 350Mb for ~300Mb IDE, or sell for $450
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 18:48:06 GMT

This drive is less than one year old.  The cartridges have all been bought
since then.  All is in excellent condition and still under warranty.
Due to a change in system use, I now need a large, contiguous drive.

Offer includes:
	SyDos 44i internal drive
	SCSI adapter card and cables
	All original documentation
	Software
	All original packaging
	8 cartridges totalling over 350Mb (no bad sectors or defects)

The installation was a breeze on my 386 clone.

I will trade for something near 300Mb IDE, or sell for $450.
I will also consider trading for 4 4Mx9 30 pin SIMMs at 70ns.
--
Walter G. Seefeld          |  By the dawn's early light,
940 N. Jackson St. #1A     |  By all I know is right,
Starkville, MS 39759       |  We're going to reap what we have sown.
N5QXR                      |   -Jackson Brown


Here is how I modified my Quadra 700 for higher speed. Previously I
had been using a Variable Speed Overdrive for accelerating my CPU
but this modification is testing out as more stable at higher speeds.

Your mileage may vary. The top speed you achieve cannot be predicted
before hand. My personal Q700 has tested fine up to 32 mhz thus far.
I didn't have higher speed clock oscillators on hand to test higher
speeds.

Parts

	Clock Oscillators (4 pin TTL variety) You will need a selection of
	speeds beginning at 50 mhz on up. The CPU will run at 1/2 the
	oscillator speed. The original one is a 50 mhz unit. I recommend
	getting a 50 mhz clock in case you damage the existing one.

	   I obtained my clock oscillators from DigiKey 1-800-344-4539 for
	   less than $5.00 each. Some of their part numbers are:

		   50 mhz TTL Clock Oscillator (part # X121)
		   62 mhz TTL Clock Oscillator (part # X136)
		   66 mhz TTL Clock Oscillator (part # CTX137)

	   Don't get the half size clock oscillators. They won't fit.

	   There are also CMOS clock oscillators. I haven't tried one in a
	   Quadra. (They work fine in IIsi's)

	Socket: Obtain a 4 pin socket which is in the same form factor as
	   a 14 pin DIP package. Alternatively, use 4 machined socket pins
	   from an Augat style socket. Just cut them out of the socket.

	Cooling Fan: A very small 12 volt fan to keep the CPU cool is a
	   must. My VSO came with a specially modified heatsink which had
	   a fan built onto it. It had a pass-through connector which
	   tapped into the hard drive power cable. You should rig up
	   something similar or risk frying your CPU.

Procedure

1)  Insert usual disclaimer and antistatic warnings here.

2)  Remove the top lid of the machine. You will see the floppy disk and
    hard drive mounted in a plastic tower. Follow the usual anti-static
    precautions and of course make sure the machine is OFF when you do
    this. Unplug ALL cables, wall and monitor power supply cords from
	the back of the mac.

3)  Remove the power supply by pulling the plastic interlocking tab on the
    tower forward and simultaneously pulling the power supply straight up.
    The tab is a piece of plastic from the left posterior aspect of the
    tower which extends downward to hook on to the power supply. You may
    also feel a horseshoe shaped piece at the right portion of the power
    supply. Leave that alone. The plastic tab from the tower is all you
    need release.

4)  Look at the rear of the tower assembly. You will see the flat ribbon
    SCSI connector to the hard drive, a power cable and a flat ribbon cable
    leading to the floppy drive. Disconnect all these from the motherboard.
    The hard drive power cable connector has a tab which must be squeezed
    to release it.

5)  Unplug the drive activity LED from its clear plastic mount

6)  Look down the posterior, cylindrical section of the plastic tower. A
    phillips head screw is at the base. Remove it, taking care not to drop
    it into the case. A bit of gummy glue on your screwdriver is helpful
    here.

7)  Remove the tower assembly by pulling medially the plastic tab on the
    right side of the tower. This tab prevents the tower from sliding
	posteriorly. Slide the entire tower assembly 1 cm posteriorly then
	lift the tower assembly straight up and out of the case.

8)  Remove the interrupt switch assembly. It is a strangely shaped plastic
    device at the left, front edge of the motherboard. Pull the middle,
	rear plastic prong up and forward. The entire device will release.

9)  Unplug the speaker cable. Squeeze the plastic tab on the speaker to
    free it then swing it backwards to free it from the case.

10) Remove the motherboard form the case. Lift the front right corner of
    the motherboard about 1 mm. This allows it to clear the clear plastic
	Power light guide. Slide the motherboard forward about 1 cm. The
	motherboard then comes directly out.

11) Locate the 50 mhz clock crystal. It is a small metal box near the
    CPU chip. Note and remember its orientation. The new clock oscillators
	must be aligned with pin 1 in the same orientation.

	Very carefully desolder and remove the old clock oscillator. Some of
	the pins may be bent over. Simply desolder then unbend them. Be sure
	your desoldering iron is hot enough before heating the board.

	I used a suction desoldering iron to accomplish this task. This is
	NOT appropriate for a first soldering experience. The motherboard is
	a multi-layer design with very fine traces - easily damaged without
	proper care.

12) Install your socket or socket pins where the old oscillator once was.

13) Put a 50 mhz clock oscillator into the new socket. You could use the
	old clock but it has solder on its pins. This may come of inside the
	socket and cause corrosion problems later. I suggest using a new
	50 mhz clock.

14) Install your cooling fan system to complete the modification.

14) Reinsert the motherboard and slide it into place.

15) Snap in the interrupt switch assembly and speaker to lock the mother
    board firmly. Plug the speaker wire back into the motherboard.

16) Reinstall the tower assembly by first placing the right wall of the
    tower against the right wall of the case with the tower assembly about
	1 cm posterior of its intended position. Lower the tower assembly into
	place while maintaining contact with the right wall of the case.
    Once fully down, slide the tower assembly anteriorly until it clicks
    into place.

17) Reconnect the motherboard ends of the cables. DONT'T FORGET THE FLOPPY
    DRIVE CABLE.

18) Replace the phillips head screw

19) Drop the power supply straight down into place until it clicks in.

20) Plug the hard drive activity light back into its clear plastic mount.

21) Reattach your cables and power cords. Cross your fingers and turn
    on the Mac. It should make the usual power on chord. If it doesn't,
	something is amiss. Immediately turn of the power and recheck your
	handiwork. If all is not well, you have my sincere condolences.

	Hopefully, all will work normally. Turn the machine back off and
	replace the 50 mhz clock oscillator with a faster one. Reboot and
	be astounded.

	You will need to fully test the machine for many hours before deciding
	a particular speed is truly usable. With my VSO, a machine lock-up
	might take 8 hours of operation to occur. In the brief time since
	modifying my clock oscillator (36 hours) I have not had a single
	problem.

Good Luck to all who attempt this modification. There is a small but real
risk, but you could well reach Quadra 950 speeds or higher with less than
$50 in parts.


Can someone tell me which of the files that come with DW-3.1 go where
and for what purpose?  What can be left out, for instance, if
you don't want to do background printing?


What are people's opinions about laser detectors?  Escort makes a
laser detector, the Passport 1000, and claims it works fine.  However,
I've talked to some people who have said that it will only work if you
are lucky - i.e. if the cop happens to point his laser at a car in
front of you, and the laser beam happens to reflect back to your
detector.  Otherwise it won't work.  Regular radar, of course, travels
in all directions; hence it is more detectable.  Any comments?

Escort has a deal (till the end of April, I think), where if you buy
their wideband (Passport 3200 - X, K, Ka) and laser detectors, you'll
save $60 off of buying them separately.  In this case, the addition of
the laser detector over the Passport 3200 is only $40 (i.e. Passport
1000 normally costs $100).
--
Eddie Gornish
University of Illinois - Center for Supercomputing Research & Development


Just a side note, squid/octopi made their way to the ice in Buffalo.
I still don't understand why Buffalo, but maybe it's lucky.  :-)  btw,
they shovel them up from the ice here, using the shovel used to scoop
up the snow the zamboni leaves as it leaves the ice.  Although Blue
did give some technical directions on its removal, motioning with his
stick.


There it is.  The Constitution isn't for "sociopaths", only "normal"
people, eh?  We mustn't allow our Constitution to be cheapened by applying
it to everybody, eh?

You disgust me.


Can anybody tell me anything about the availibility of non-Roman fonts
for X-Windows? Especially Unicode and/or han idiographic fonts.

Also, how about conversion tools for getting PC/Macintosh fonts into a
format suitable for X? I would assume it is not too difficult for
bitmap fonts.

The FAQ's for this group and comp.fonts are not very helpful on these
questions.


Is there anyone out there with a copy of the driver for Turtle
Beach's Samplevision program that allows you to use a Always Tech
IN-2000 SCSI card to do SMDI dumps between your PC and your
Peavey DPM-SP / SX / SX2 ???

   This is normally only available directly from Turtle Beach but I
was just wondering if there was someone who got it and couldn't
find a use for it..

   If you have a copy let me know!


[ This would make me a bit suspect of Mr. Ramsey's qualifications
as a self-styled "expert", in fact, when I read about anybody
using virtual memory regularly I kind of wonder ... ;-) ]

Yes, one can sometimes get away with running a newer ROM (of the
correct size, obviously) in an older machine, but one should be
prepared for problems if running software that checks for machine
type rather than ROM trap availability and then draws incorrect
conclusions when special-casing - especially timing-dependent
and driver-related stuff.

In this particular case I see no reason to go to the trouble
of ROM-swapping.  The Apple 32-bit enabler has problems, but
MODE32 works just fine with 7.0, 7.0.1, and 7.1.

Sure.  Buy a used IIci motherboard.  Call Pre-Owned Electronics,
Shreve, or other parts dealers (see the back of Computer Shopper
or one of the Mac trades for phone numbers) and ask for a price
on a IIci ROM.  Everything has a price.  If you happen to find
somebody who salvaged a IIci with a dead motherboard, you might
get a decent price.  There is probably a market for used mother-
boards as well, so they might sell a ROM anyway.

Ask for a quote and then try offering less?  Pre-Owned and
Shreve have been known to dicker.  Their ads in various trade
magazines often list considerably different prices for the
same items, and their phone quotes tend to vary as well.

Still, I'm not aware of any technical reason for upgrading
the ROM in a IIx.


No.  Do this.

Have the DC-X1, make an unscheduled landing at teh 50 yard
line during the halftime show of This years Superbowl.

ABC  will have more reporters there  for that,  then at
any news event.


To the media, "religion" and "cult" have about the same relative
connotations as "government" and "terrorist group".


[sorry, had to take out tx.motorcycles because
my news server rejected it. -- hesh]

: it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
: unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
: needs.

you presumed you needed to "split" out a GS list.
by implication of your "split", a plain ol' bmw
list wouldn't meet the GS riders' needs.

for the sake of not forcing the split issue,
how about changing the charter and renaming
your list from bmw-gs to just bmw?  would that
make everybody happy?

i think you'd get better participation this way.
and joe wouldn't have to burden his 286.  :-)


I'm looking for the following article:

	``The War Within: an Anatomy of Lust''
	Leadership 3 (1985), pp 30-48

I've looked in the libraries of 3 UK Bible Colleges, but none of them subscribe
to the Magazine (its a US publication, btw). If anyone has access to this
article and would be willing to post me a photocopy (I presume that copyright
restrictions will allow this?), please e-mail me. Thanks,


I am looking at getting a laptop for work and I was trying to decide
between the Toshibas and Gateway's Nomad.  The price is about the same,
but the Gateway has significantly better performance (200MB vs. 120MB
hard drive, 50Mhz 486DX2 vs.  25Mhz 486SL) and much cheaper accessories
(extra batteries, modem...)

The concern I have about Gateway is the durability and reliability.
Does anyone out there have any experience with the Gateway Nomad?

Thanks,


Well lets see - a long haired nut case with sexual hangups surrounded
by a lot of gulible losers without a brain between them with a miserable
and meaningless death to boot

Sounds like he fits the bill to me!

Joseph 'Remember David Koresh fried for you' Askew


Remember that the UNIX versions of PoV don't create TGA but QRT file
format output by default. +ft is needed to make TGA.


try  cd'ing to

	publications/May_93_online

on siggraph.org

It's there!


You're blowing smoke.  Qualcomm wants to sell to nice, lucrative overseas
markets like Japan and the EC.  The government told them "don't do encryption
if you ever hope to export this technology".  The reason that CDMA doesn't
have encryption is NOT because the G-men came a'knocking at Qualcomm's door.
It's because Qualcomm doesn't think that the US market for digital cellular
is big enough for them.  This is just the International Traffic in Arms
Regulations all over again.

If you don't believe me, call Qualcomm and ASK THEM.  Don't just throw
out conspicracy theories.  At least, don't do it on sci.crypt--there are
whole other newsgroups devoted to this kind of uninformed claptrap.

Hah.  They're not that much more expensive.  Besides, if a drug dealer
can afford a Rolex and a Mercedes, he can darn well afford Cylink phones.
No, Cylink sells their phones because they're willing to make different
stuff for domestic use vs. export.  Qualcomm isn't.  So Cylink makes
money--that's capitalism, comrade.

"Someone" this and "someone" that.  If you think it's so easy, why are
you whining on the net instead of getting your butt in gear and writing
it?  Your name would become known and loved by dozens!  But no, that would
require actual EFFORT.


	[...deleted...]

At least you're consistent.  I'm sure the highly propagandized Germans
tended to believe their government's version too in the thirties and
forties as those "different" highly demonized Jewish "cultists" met
their fate.  Always trust your government.


No wonder he became confused!  With so many drugs, it is almost impossible
to know which one is causing the problem.  And because some drugs
potentiate the effect of each other, they can make the side effects
all the worse, and even dangerous.  (kinda like mixing alcohol and
antihistamines!)

Unfortunately, doctors prescribe drugs to treat the side effects of
the drugs a patient is receiving.  If one drug they are taking causes
the patient's blood pressure to go up, many times an antihypertensive
is prescribed instead of re-evaluating the need for the original drug.
This is why many older adults are trying to take a dozen or so drugs
at home!!!!


I am posting for my brother, but please reply to this account and I will
forward the messages.

The Powerbook is in excellent shape, five months old, and was purchased abroad.
(I haven't seen it)

For details, send  e-mail.


I know it's only wishful thinking, with our current President,
but this is from last fall:

     "Is there life on Mars?  Maybe not now.  But there will be."
        -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator, 24 August 1992

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368


I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate.

Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans
and calling that "moral rape".

He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious BIGOTRY"


C'mon you guys.
Motorcycles & booze don't mix.
Nuff said.


Hello Gang,

There have been some notes recently asking where to obtain the DARWIN fish.
This is the same question I have and I have not seen an answer on the
net. If anyone has a contact please post on the net or email me.

Thanks,


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at 416-233-6038.


Wrong about what?   I think they are correct in thinking that a
well-placed bomb or six would get headlines, but I think they are
wrong if they think that you can set off bombs and still be a
Buddhist.

Maybe what we are seeing here is that Chinese cultural genocide
against the Tibetans has worked well enough that some Tibetans
are now no longer Buddhist and are instead willing to behave like
the Chinese occupiers.   Every action is its own reward.

On the other hand, people who are aware of the occupation are mostly
full of admiration for the peaceful way that Tibetans have put up
with it.   And what does it cost us to admire them?   Zip.

Yes they are, and whether this serves them well or not depends on
whether they want Buddhist principles or political independence.
And without political independence can they preserve their cultural
and religious traditions?

The Chinese would certainly refer to them as terrorists, just as
the Hitler regime used to refer to European resistance movements
as terrorists.

Better off in what way?   As proponents of pacifism or as
proponents of political autonomy?

And better off in what time-scale?   The Soviet Empire practised
cultural genocide against something like a hundred small minorities,
some of which resisted violently, and some of which did not, but
in the end it was the Soviet Empire that collapsed and at least
some of the minorities survived.

Now some of the minorities are fighting one another.    Is that
because they have to, or because violent resistance to an oppressive
Empire legitimized violence?


Since neither side would be particularly interested in telling the truth,
you have to weigh the 'facts' given by each yourself, and weigh it with
the newsreporting if you care.

Many cult members will probably side with the attorney, and if he
is lying, change their stories to match his.  And if the Feds also
lie, the cult members who become disillusioned will change their
stories to match the Feds.

Neither sides are interested in the truth.  The Media is more interested,
but usually either don't have the time to get it straight or tie themselves
to the ratings and deliberately distort.

For me, though, the black soot billowing outside the compound added with
how fast the fire spread ponted to *someone* dousing large parts of the
compound with some sort of gasoline or fire-starter.  I doubt the Feds
did that as they were more interested in arresting Vernon.  The real
unbalanced one (at least the one that lost his cool) was Vernon, so
I figured that he was more likely to do it (after all he was Jesus
being persecuted by the authorities, and had followers to hold onto,
so made the decision.  He and his followers also probably felt that they
were rocketing to heaven by doing this stuff).  Thsi conclusion, I came
to after umpteen million hours of listening to NPR and other radio
shows (I always have the radio going when I am in my office on some
innocuous talk-show or news program as background noise).


Need nice furnishings for your apartment or house?

We have glass topped wood (sides) and chrome (edging) (1)coffee and (2)end
tables for sale.

The (1)coffee tables are approximately five feet in length and two feet
wide.

The (2)end tables are 2.5 ft. X 2.5 ft.

All the glass is clear (no scratches).

First $50.00 takes all!

Thanks for reading!

Art


Sure,

Edmund Scientific Company
101 E. Glouchester Pike
Barrington, NJ, 08007-1380
(609) 573-6250

The card is on page 15 of the last catalog I got. The cost ranges
from $19.00US to $80.00US, depending on size and range of wavelengths
the card responds to.


I am in the market for (4) 1 megabyte SIMMS.  These must
	be of the 9-chip variety, and also must be 60 nanoseconds.

	Email: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu

	Thanks


Well, I know one person who is ready to kill.  Me.  And the victim is
this whole topic, damnit.

PLEASE STOP COPYING ALL THIS CRAP TO comp.org.acm.  PLEASE?
--


Today Rush was criticizing Clinton for not claiming responsibility for the
actions and decisions of Janet Reno and the  FBI  early enough to suit
Rush.

About 2 months ago Rush was chortling over the fact that Reagan has stumped
"special persecutor Walsh" with his croaking of "I don't remember" when
asked about Ollie North.

If Rush's criticism of Clinton were to be applied to Reagan and North...
Reagan would have been impeached while North was convicted (and overturned on
a technicality).

Gosh, Rush sure wants to have it both ways... Clinton MUST be held
responsible, but Reagan was clever by using the "amnesia defense".


They did last world cup and eventually lost tp Sweden in the final!


1993 World Championships in Germany:
 ====================================

 Group A results:

 RUSSIA - SWITZERLAND  6-0 (2-0,1-0,3-0)

 1st: RUS 1-0  Alexei Yashin 1          5:23
      RUS 2-0  Alexei Yashin 2         16:45
 2nd: RUS 3-0  Ilia Biakin 1            7:13
 3rd: RUS 4-0  Andrei Khomutov 3        3:47
      RUS 5-0  Ilia Biakin 2            4:13
      RUS 6-0  Sergei Sorokin 1        13:50

 Penalties: RUS 7*2min 1*5min game penalty, SWI 9*2min
 Referee: Rob Hearn, USA
 Attendance: 3,500

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

 CANADA - AUSTRIA  11-0 (6-0,2-0,3-0)

 1st: CAN  1-0  Shayne Corson 1         9:51
      CAN  2-0  Rod Brind'Amour 2      10:24
      CAN  3-0  Paul Kariya 1          12:42
      CAN  4-0  Gerry Galley 1         18:23
      CAN  5-0  Eric Lindros 2         19:11
      CAN  6-0  Rod Brind'Amour 3      19:46
 2nd: CAN  7-0  Eric Lindros 3          0:31
      CAN  8-0  Eric Lindros 4          8:50
 3rd: CAN  9-0  Brian Savage 1         13:37
      CAN 10-0  Brian Benning 1        16:26
      CAN 11-0  Geoff Sanderson 3      17:55

 Penalties: CAN 2*2min, AUT 2*2min
 Attendance: 7,500

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 USA - FRANCE  6-1 (3-1,1-0,2-0)

 1st: FRA 0-1  Antoine Richer 1         5:02
      USA 1-1  Adam Burt 1              8:32
      USA 2-1  Rob Gaudreau 1          18:15
      USA 3-1  Jeff Lazaro 1           18:29
 2nd: USA 4-1  Adam Burt 2             10:54
 3rd: USA 5-1  Shjon Podein 1           8:03
      USA 6-1  Rob Gaudreau 2          16:25

 Penalties: USA 3*2min, FRA 2*2min
 Referee: Darren Loraas, Canada
 Attendance: 1,511

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

 FINLAND - NORWAY  2-0 (0-0,0-0,2-0)

 1st:
 2nd:
 3rd: FIN 1-0  Juha Riihijarvi 1        4:16
      FIN 2-0  Kari Harila 1           12:37

 Penalties: FIN 5*2min, NOR 7*2min
 Referee: Sven-Erik Sold, Sweden
 Attendance: 3,600

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 The best goal scorers:

 Eric Lindros		CAN	4
 Rod Brind'Amour	CAN	3
 Dieter Hegen		GER	3
 Andrei Khomutov	RUS	3
 Geoff Sanderson	CAN	3
 Ilia Biakin		RUS	2
 Adam Burt		USA	2
 Viacheslav Bykov	RUS	2
 Jiri Dolezal		CZE	2
 Mike Gartner		CAN	2
 Rob Gaudreau		USA	2
 Patrik Juhlin		SWE	2
 Frank Pajonkowski	FRA	2
 Bernd Truntschka	GER	2
 Jarkko Varvio		FIN	2
 Alexei Yashin		RUS	2

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Some WC stats:

 *  Fastest goal in a WC game after first face-off:

    10 seconds:	    Steve Larmer, Canada  1991 in a game vs Sweden (ended 3-3)
                    Boris Michailov, USSR   1978

 *  Most consecutive WC games without a loss:

    47:   USSR    1978-85
    38:   USSR    1963-68
    37:   Canada  1937-49
    35:   USSR    1985-90
    27:   Canada  1950-54


All,

During my attempts to find out how the AT harddisk controller
works I stumbled across I/O port 376h. The "normal" controller
ports are in the 1F0h-1F7h range, so what does this port do???

The only information I have upto now about this port is that it
is a write only port and the information you have to write in it
is related to the number of heads on the disks.

Could somebody shed some light on this and give me the missing info.

Thanks,


: >But if entertainment (company) sell computer programs saying they are virus
: >safe. Doesn`t they have burden of proof that viruses don`t exist in their
: >floppies ?

: I don't think so.  The assumption is there.  If it turns out that
: their software has a virus, then it is up to you to prove that fact
: to a court to get any damages.  You are theoretically suppossed to
: be able to get damages for that, but you have to give some evidence
: that the virus came from that software.  But since the computer
: company is the defendent, they are uninvolved until proven guilty.

All right. I'm not and won't be lawyer. What about doctors?
I going to fly aeroplane (or drive car). Doctors have to look for different
kind of illnesses in me before I get permission to fly an aeroplane.
They have burden of proof that "harmful illnesses don't exist in me",
do they ?

(I'm just questioning my belief that believers have the burden of proof.)

: Please, not Pascal!  NOOOOO!! ;)
Oh!  Are you those bug-generator C-programmers  ? :-)
Turbo Pascal is the BEST and FASTEST for edit-run-edit-run cycles !
----------------------- ktikkane@phoenix.oulu.fi -------------------
  Kari Tikkanen      !   .  . -#- !      b        !   begin


  Sorry, gotta disagree with you on this one Maddi (not the
  resemblence to Bill.  The nickname).

  I prefer "Half" Bake'd Timmons

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM

They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.


I have an Altos 2000 System V.3 Unix system for sale (I actually have two,
but one's for me). Several years ago these well-known machines sold for
$30,000 for the base configuration. This particular one has much more than the
base configuration, depending on what you want:

- 386 16 MHZ CPU.
- 8 meg of ram.
- Fifteen (15) serial ports (or more if you want)!
- A multidrop port for up to 256 more serial ports!
- Ethernet.
- 5.25" floppy drive.
- QIC 24 cartridge tape drive.
- 170 meg ESDI hard drive (either Micropolis or CDC, or both if you want).
- Unix System V.3 installation.
- Networking software package (TCP/IP).
- Development system software package (C compiler and libraries).

I am asking only $700 (firm) for the system! If you want another Ethernet or
serial card, add $50. Additional disks are $100 each (I can install a total of
three ESDI drives). I would consider a trade for a SCSI DAT tape drive.

This box would make a great BBS system or terminal server. It was originally
designed to service 40 active users, and up to 70 moderately active users.
This is NOT a PC! It was designed to be a Unix box from the start, and it's
very fast and exceptionally reliable.

It's dimensions are approximately 2.5' high (tower), 8" wide and 2" deep.

I am only interested in dealing with someone local enough to come pick it up.
Shipping is way too much hassle. Call if you wish, or send email.

Steve Scherf

(408) 736-2093 home
(408) 559-5616 work

steve@moonsoft.com
scherf@swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ba.market.misc,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other
Subject: FOR SALE: Altos 2000 Unix machine
Summary:
Expires:
References:
Distribution:
Organization: Moondog Software, Sunnyvale, CA.
Keywords:

I have an Altos 2000 System V.3 Unix system for sale (I actually have two,
but one's for me). Several years ago these well-known machines sold for
$30,000 for the base configuration. This particular one has much more than the
base configuration, depending on what you want:

- 386 16 MHZ CPU.
- 8 meg of ram.
- Fifteen (15) serial ports (or more if you want)!
- A multidrop port for up to 256 more serial ports!
- Ethernet.
- 5.25" floppy drive.
- QIC 24 cartridge tape drive.
- 170 meg ESDI hard drive (either Micropolis or CDC, or both if you want).
- Unix System V.3 installation.
- Networking software package (TCP/IP).
- Development system software package (C compiler and libraries).

I am asking only $700 (firm) for the system! If you want another Ethernet or
serial card, add $50. Additional disks are $100 each (I can install a total of
three ESDI drives). I would consider a trade for a SCSI DAT tape drive.

This box would make a great BBS system or terminal server. It was originally
designed to service 40 active users, and up to 70 moderately active users.
This is NOT a PC! It was designed to be a Unix box from the start, and it's
very fast and exceptionally reliable.

It's dimensions are approximately 2.5' high (tower), 8" wide and 2" deep.

I am only interested in dealing with someone local enough to come pick it up.
Shipping is way too much hassle. Call if you wish, or send email.

Steve Scherf

(408) 736-2093 home
(408) 559-5616 work

steve@moonsoft.com
scherf@swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ba.market.misc,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other
Subject: FOR SALE: Altos 2000 Unix machine
Organization: Moondog Software, Sunnyvale, CA.

I have an Altos 2000 System V.3 Unix system for sale (I actually have two,
but one's for me). Several years ago these well-known machines sold for
$30,000 for the base configuration. This particular one has much more than the
base configuration, depending on what you want:

- 386 16 MHZ CPU.
- 8 meg of ram.
- Fifteen (15) serial ports (or more if you want)!
- A multidrop port for up to 256 more serial ports!
- Ethernet.
- 5.25" floppy drive.
- QIC 24 cartridge tape drive.
- 170 meg ESDI hard drive (either Micropolis or CDC, or both if you want).
- Unix System V.3 installation.
- Networking software package (TCP/IP).
- Development system software package (C compiler and libraries).

I am asking only $700 (firm) for the system! If you want another Ethernet or
serial card, add $50. Additional disks are $100 each (I can install a total of
three ESDI drives). I would consider a trade for a SCSI DAT tape drive.

This box would make a great BBS system or terminal server. It was originally
designed to service 40 active users, and up to 70 moderately active users.
This is NOT a PC! It was designed to be a Unix box from the start, and it's
very fast and exceptionally reliable.

It's dimensions are approximately 2.5' high (tower), 8" wide and 2" deep.

I am only interested in dealing with someone local enough to come pick it up.
Shipping is way too much hassle. Call if you wish, or send email.

Steve Scherf

(408) 736-2093 home
(408) 559-5616 work

steve@moonsoft.com
scherf@swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ba.market.misc,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other
Subject: FOR SALE: Altos 2000 Unix machine
Summary:
Expires:
References:
Sender:
Followup-To:
Distribution:
Organization: Moondog Software, Sunnyvale, CA.
Keywords:

I have an Altos 2000 System V.3 Unix system for sale (I actually have two,
but one's for me). Several years ago these well-known machines sold for
$30,000 for the base configuration. This particular one has much more than the
base configuration, depending on what you want:

- 386 16 MHZ CPU.
- 8 meg of ram.
- Fifteen (15) serial ports (or more if you want)!
- A multidrop port for up to 256 more serial ports!
- Ethernet.
- 5.25" floppy drive.
- QIC 24 cartridge tape drive.
- 170 meg ESDI hard drive (either Micropolis or CDC, or both if you want).
- Unix System V.3 installation.
- Networking software package (TCP/IP).
- Development system software package (C compiler and libraries).

I am asking only $700 (firm) for the system! If you want another Ethernet or
serial card, add $50. Additional disks are $100 each (I can install a total of
three ESDI drives). I would consider a trade for a SCSI DAT tape drive.

This box would make a great BBS system or terminal server. It was originally
designed to service 40 active users, and up to 70 moderately active users.
This is NOT a PC! It was designed to be a Unix box from the start, and it's
very fast and exceptionally reliable.

It's dimensions are approximately 2.5' high (tower), 8" wide and 2" deep.

I am only interested in dealing with someone local enough to come pick it up.
Shipping is way too much hassle. Call if you wish, or send email.

Steve Scherf

(408) 736-2093 home
(408) 559-5616 work

steve@moonsoft.com
scherf@swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ba.market.misc,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other
Subject: FOR SALE: Altos 2000 Unix machine
Organization: Moondog Software, Sunnyvale, CA.

I have an Altos 2000 System V.3 Unix system for sale (I actually have two,
but one's for me). Several years ago these well-known machines sold for
$30,000 for the base configuration. This particular one has much more than the
base configuration, depending on what you want:

- 386 16 MHZ CPU.
- 8 meg of ram.
- Fifteen (15) serial ports (or more if you want)!
- A multidrop port for up to 256 more serial ports!
- Ethernet.
- 5.25" floppy drive.
- QIC 24 cartridge tape drive.
- 170 meg ESDI hard drive (either Micropolis or CDC, or both if you want).
- Unix System V.3 installation.
- Networking software package (TCP/IP).
- Development system software package (C compiler and libraries).

I am asking only $700 (firm) for the system! If you want another Ethernet or
serial card, add $50. Additional disks are $100 each (I can install a total of
three ESDI drives). I would consider a trade for a SCSI DAT tape drive.

This box would make a great BBS system or terminal server. It was originally
designed to service 40 active users, and up to 70 moderately active users.
This is NOT a PC! It was designed to be a Unix box from the start, and it's
very fast and exceptionally reliable.

It's dimensions are approximately 2.5' high (tower), 8" wide and 2" deep.

I am only interested in dealing with someone local enough to come pick it up.
Shipping is way too much hassle. Call if you wish, or send email.

Steve Scherf

(408) 736-2093 home
(408) 559-5616 work

steve@moonsoft.com
scherf@swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ba.market.misc,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other
Subject: FOR SALE: Altos 2000 Unix machine
Summary:
Expires:
References:
Sender:
Followup-To:
Distribution:
Organization: Moondog Software, Sunnyvale, CA.
Keywords:

I have an Altos 2000 System V.3 Unix system for sale (I actually have two,
but one's for me). Several years ago these well-known machines sold for
$30,000 for the base configuration. This particular one has much more than the
base configuration, depending on what you want:

- 386 16 MHZ CPU.
- 8 meg of ram.
- Fifteen (15) serial ports (or more if you want)!
- A multidrop port for up to 256 more serial ports!
- Ethernet.
- 5.25" floppy drive.
- QIC 24 cartridge tape drive.
- 170 meg ESDI hard drive (either Micropolis or CDC, or both if you want).
- Unix System V.3 installation.
- Networking software package (TCP/IP).
- Development system software package (C compiler and libraries).

I am asking only $700 (firm) for the system! If you want another Ethernet or
serial card, add $50. Additional disks are $100 each (I can install a total of
three ESDI drives). I would consider a trade for a SCSI DAT tape drive.

This box would make a great BBS system or terminal server. It was originally
designed to service 40 active users, and up to 70 moderately active users.
This is NOT a PC! It was designed to be a Unix box from the start, and it's
very fast and exceptionally reliable.

It's dimensions are approximately 2.5' high (tower), 8" wide and 2" deep.

I am only interested in dealing with someone local enough to come pick it up.
Shipping is way too much hassle. Call if you wish, or send email.

Steve Scherf

(408) 736-2093 home
(408) 559-5616 work

steve@moonsoft.com
scherf@swdc.stratus.com


I recently sold my Nighthawk in order to upgrade to a zippy little sport
bike.  I am, however, partial to the bigger zippy bikes like the GSX-R 750.

There is only one in my town for sale, and he is not sure whether he wants
to part with it or not!

Please send me email if you would like to sell yours, know of one for sale,
or could just offer details on the performance of yours even if you wouldn't
sell.

I appreciate any help!

THE HYPEMAN


I need quotes from Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, or any of the other founders,
that support the idea that the Second Amendment was written into the
Constitution so that the populace could protect itself it the government
began to degenerate into tyrrany. If you have any (with sources), please
mail them to me. Thanks.