I am having the problem of ensuring point-to-focus when the mouse
cursor enters a window in my application.  I'm using InterViews,
but that may not matter, this seems to be a generic problem in X.
For example, I use OpenWindows on a Sparc2, with point-to-focus
set, and that generally works, but not always, depending on what
was going on in some window when I move the cursor from one shell
tool window to another.  Or so it seems...

My question, then, is what can I do within X to guarantee point-to-
focus within my application?  Thanks for any response.


Like Clinton and Reno, I accept full responsibility for this
senseless disaster.  My wife and I picked this game to go to
and thus caused the return of the pre-season-projected Sox
offense.  Like all no-no's Bosio was good, lucky (hard grounder
by Vaughn off T. Martinez' glove but straight to Boone who
threw to Bosio at first, 3-4-1), and backed by good defense
(many non-trivial groundouts).  The game was amazingly fast,
as the Sox tended to go down quickly and Hesketh was also
working fast.  The Sox relief pitching was ok -- the runs off
Quantrill were on two ridiculous bloops and a hard line single
which Greenwell let get past him trying for a catch.

Greenwell's mental stability is a serious concern (I guess it
has always been, but his quirks were amusing back when he was
an MVP candidate).  Wednesday he got in a huff with Johnson a
after striking out on a bad inside pitch (apparently Johnson
made an "ok, I've got to stay focused" gesture which Iron Mike
interpreted as taunting), and struck out to heavy booing the
next two times.  As Valentine noted, last night he came up in
the first after Riles and Quintana had walked to open the game.
Can you say "take the first pitch"?  Not Mike, who dribbled it
into a 6-4-3.  The PI quoted Bosio that this was a "batting
practice fastball".  Next time up he also hit the first pitch,
a hard liner straight to KGJr in center.  He also made the
pathetic error and failed to catch Boone's HR (which looked
comparable to the ball Lance Johnson caught on the highlight
reel that night).

Is Riles suppsoed to be good defensively?  I couldn't tell from
the field angle but his range looked bad, and he coughed a DP
that cost a run or two.  Why was he leadoff?  I hope Fletcher
gets well soon.

Also on lineups, Pinella put Bret Boone fifth for reasons beyond
me.  It seemed to work, as he was 3-4 with a HR and some good
defense (a wag behind us said "He sure don't want to go back to
Calgary!")  There is a theory that you put a leadoff type fifth
because they'll likely lead off the second (as Boone did).

Well, now we face the hot Angels and another power pitcher in
Langston.  A reminder that contest entries are open through next
Wednesday -- I expect a surge of pessimism.  By the way, ties will
be broken by earliest entry.  One entry per person or pseudonym,
please, and easy on the pseudonyms.


Hi, any body has experience with the Ultrastor UltraSCSI driver package?
I also need the phone number for Ultrastor (it's not in the book) and
i cannot find them in the company listing in Computer Shopper.
Thanks in advance
  tony kwong (908) 699-4130


Which newsgroup discusses graphic design on PCs and macs?


No, this is far from clear.  We only have the word of the FBI spokepeople that
a survivor made this claim.  We have the contradictory word of the lawyers who
spoke with the survivors individually that ALL of them agreed that they did
NOT have a suicide pact and did not intentionally start the fire.  In the absense
of any more evidence, I don't see how we can decide who to believe.
Furthermore, its quite possible that there was no general suicide pact and that
some small inner circle took it upon themselves to kill everyone else.
With the state of the area now, we may never know what happened.

Again, we have only the word of the FBI on this claim.  The lawyers who
have also talked to the survors deny that any of them are making that claim.

I will agree on your assessment as to the relative probabilities.  Its more likely
that the BD's started the fire than did the FBI.  But there is currently NO
way to decide what actually happened based on the publically available evidence
(which is nearly none).

   D.   The fire was an started accidentally by the BDs.  I am truely amazed that
        I have heard (or read) of no one suggesting this possibility.
        With all the tear gas and the lack of electical power in the compound and
        the adults wearing gas masks, it had to have been chaotic inside.
        I can easily image someone leaving a lamp too close to something or
        accidentally dropping a lamp or knocking one over.  With the winds, it
        would have quickly gotten out of control.

   No, I think that D is also quite reasonable.  I personally can't really
asses any relative probablities to either of these 3 probabilities although if
forced to bet on the issue, I would probably take an accident (either FBI or
BD) over intential setting of the fire).

   I would also like to add a comment related to the reports that bodies recovered
had gunshot wounds.  The coroner was on the Today Show this morning and categorically
denied that they've reach any such conclusions.  He pointed out that under intense
heat, sufficient pressure builds up in the head that can cause it to explode and
that this can look very much like a massive gunshot wound to the head which is
quite consisted with te reports I've read and heard.

   In short, there's been almost no evidence corroborating any of the many
scenarios as to what happened on Monday.  We should remain skeptical until
more information is available.

--


There was an article in USA today a few months ago showing the results
of a study that actually only about 1% were homosexual.  I saw another
figure that listed 2% as the figure.  Of course, even if it were 99%
that would have little bearing on whether or not it is a sinful behavior.
How many people have commited other acts of fornication?  How many
people have lied or sinned in other ways?

Why isn't it a specific feature of homosexuality?  Paul describes
"men with men working that which is unseemly" to describe the acts.
Sure, there spirtual nature was depraved also, and like the other
sins, the idolatry, the other sexual immoraity, and the other sins
sprang from their depraved spiritual state which was a result of
man's not glorifying God as God and being thankful.  Still, their
acts were shameless.

Is everything sinful specifically elaborated on in the New Testament?
Scripture does not condemn being a drug dealer.  Being ruled by the
Spirit rather than the letter not only frees from legalism, it also
protects us from sins that are against the Spirit.  The word is a
two edged sword that cuts both ways.

I think we must be careful before we totally throw out Leviticus.
If the Law is reflection of God's character and true holy nature, then
those who say that God endorses homosexuality run into a problem.
If homosexuality were "natural" (whatever that means) wholesome,
endorsed by God, and those who oppose sexual behavior are narrow-minded
biggots, as some would have us believe, why is there a condemnation of
it in Leviticus.  This condemnation is in the midst of all the other
sex sin condemnations, and there is nothing in the text to say that this
law was limited to temple prostitution, and no good reason to believe that
this was the case.  Furthermore, male homosexual sex was a death-penalty
crime!

Is every sin elaborated on in the New Testament?  Take a look at
I Corinthians 5.  Paul said that one of the Corinthians had broken a
law not even heard of among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's
wife.  There is a prohibition against having your father's wife in
Leviticus.  No other new Testament verse clearly condemns it (besides
this one.)  Notice that Paul did not say that the sin was in commiting
adultery, etc.- he spoke against having one's father's wife.

Notice also that this sexual condemnation in Leviticus is not mentioned
in the specific context of paganism either.  And there was no pagan
coustom mentioned in I corinthians either.  As a matter of fact
taking one's father's wife wasn't even done among the Gentiles.  It was
just a plain blantant sin, whether worshipping idols was involved or
not.

One of the reasons that some of us do not accept that common argument
is because Paul probably did face this and other problems.  Sin can
be tough to over come, especially without supernatural power.  Is
homosexual sin any more difficult to overcome that heterosexual sin,
like lusting after a married woman, or sleeping around with people of
the opposite sex?  I doubt it, and even if it is, that is no excuse.
God is greater than all of it.

Another reason we reject it is because it ignores the supernatural
power of God to intervene in this kind of situation.  How many
people have been set free from sin by the power of God?  Sure there
may be any groups that have tried to change homosexuals and failed.
That is a reflection on the people involved in the program, and not
God's willingness and ability to change a sinner.  Any program that
uses formulas may fail.  What people need is the power of God to
change them, whether they are involved in homosexual sin, or any other
sin.

I don't see how you come to that conclusion.  Paul's dealings with
pastorial issues encouraged people to give up their liberties in order
to spare others- not to allow people to continue in sin because it
was just too difficult.  Take the example of eating meat offered to idols.
Paul felt that there was nothing wrong, in an abstract sense, with
eating the meat.  Yet he advised believers to sacrifice their liberty
to eat meat in order to spare others.

But Paul never allowed people to sin because living holy was just to
tough.  Paul wrote to "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts
thereof."  (Romans 13:14)  Then he goes in to a discourse on how we
should sacrifice our own liberty in order to spare the consciences of others.

Suppose it were not a sin for people to practice homosexual acts.
Since others consider it to be a sin, then using Paul's approach
on pastorial issues, those who would otherwise be homosexuals should
sacrifice their liberty and be celbate or monogamously married to a
member of the opposite sex.  Paul never offers a lesser sin (homosexual
"marriage") to prevent people from engaging in what may be considered
a more damaging sin.

Yet marriage itself is not a sin.  marriage is holy in all- and something
that God ordains, and Paul recognizes this.

Actually, Adam was put in the garden to tend to it before he fell.
After he fell he would have to toil over the ground.

That is why we are dependent totally on God- what a vunerable and glorious
position to be it.  We all must be transformed by the renewing of our
minds- and that is the only way homosexuals can walk in freedom, just
like anyone else.

I'm sure you can see how people with the opposing view see this
conclusion.  It's like saying, "How should I kill myself, with gun or
aresenic?  What about the person who just is overcome with a desire to
sleep with goats?  Would it be better for him to sleep with one goat,
or all of them?  What about the person who wants to sleep with his aunts?
Would it be better for him to sleep with one aunt or all of them?

In all these cases, the more people or animals one sleeps with, the higher
the chance that they will get a disease.  But this only deals with
physical aspects of the question.  Whichever sin is commited, it all
leads to spiritual death.

The issue that is most often addressed in Scripture seems to be the
actual act.  Second, isn't it historical snobbery to say that
only homosexuals of this century are capable of having "loving
relationships?"  There are ancient writings glorifying homosexual "love."
(btw, I am one who believes in refraining from making oathes.  Also,
where do you get that tax collectors are sinners.  That's certainly not
explicit.  Jesus didn't tell Zachias to quit his job.)

Link Hudson.


I have both!

I have IDE only on my DROS box and IDE and SCSI on my Unix box.

IDE on the DROS box 'cos it only has a hard disk, SCSI on my Unix box 'cos it
has a SCSI hard disk, CD-ROM and tape.

I bought SCSI as it makes adding many devices easier. For the price of one
irq and dma I have three different types of device connected up.

Faster drives are also available for SCSI - I have a DEC DSP3085s that realy
does have a 9ms average seek time. I.E it finds data 25% faster than my 12ms
Toshiba drive.

I don't think that SCSI will increase your data transfer much on an ISA bus :-(

890KB/s is pretty good...

Many state of the art SCSI disks use the *SAME* mechanicals as many state of the
art IDE drives. Only the interface electronis differ - look at the 520MB Fijitsu
drive for an example!

I use an Adaptec 1542B on my Unix box and no-name IDE cards on both.

Caching controller! Why? What does it give you that smartdrive ( for DOS ) does
not? About 30KB extra lower memory! That's about it.

A properly configured main memory cache will produce better results than a caching
controller! My Unix reads reads data from its main memory cache at 8.5MB/s! That's
faster than the standards ISA bus can ever sustain!

Guy


Introducing the Back to the Moon in Congress:
                          The Next Step

        The next key hurdle for the Lunar Resources Data Purchase
Act is introduction of the Act in Congress. At this point,  many
congresspersons have been approached about the bill. However,
for a successful effort to pass the bill, we need the best
possible congressperson to introduce the bill. Due to his
position as Chair of the House Committee on Space and Science,
Congressman George Brown is the logical choice. He has a long
record of support and interest in space development, and helped
pass the Launch Services Purchase Act and the Space Settlements
Act.
        There is a small group of activists in southern California
who have assisted George Brown in his recent re-election campaigns.
We are mobilizing this group to have them tell Congressman Brown
about the Back to the Moon bill. We are also asking pro-space
constituents to let him know that they care about getting
America back to the Moon.
        Finally, there is a good chance that a nationwide alert
for space activists to call or write George Brown to have him
introduce the Back to the Moon bill may be staged during late
spring, 1993.
        All this should produce a positive reaction from Brown's
office. As more is known, it will be passed on.
        However, even if we are successful in getting him to support
the bill,  this alone will not ensure passage of the bill. For
any bill to become law, one of three conditions must exist:
either the bill must reflect widespread national support for an
issue (such as extension of unemployment insurance benefits); be
propelled by high-priced lobbyists (we're out of luck there); or
have widespread support within Congress, due to small, but
widespread, constituent support. The latter is the path that we,
by necessity, must choose.
        This means that the introduction of the Lunar Resources
Data Purchase Act must be immediately accompanied by a large number
of congresspersons' sponsorship of the bill.  To accomplish
this, we need activists to ask their congressperson to support
the Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act - now. To wait until the
bill is introduced is simply too late - it takes time to have a
congressperson's staff review a bill.
        If your congressperson mentions that the bill is not yet
introduced, please elicit their opinion of the bill as currently
written. We appreciate all comments on the bill from activists
and politicians.
        If you have yet to see the Back to the Moon bill, please
request a copy by Email (please include your U.S. postal service
address), or contact your local chapter of the National Space
Society).


Jefferson was not the author of the Bill of Rights.  My history
books aren't here, but Jefferson might have been in the group
that did not think that enumerating rights was necessary.
Cheers,
Steve


From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Arab H.R. Assoc.,Nazareth

The Arab Association for Human Rights
P.O. Box 215
Nazareth, 16101 Israel
Phone (972)-6-561923
Fax (972)-6-564934

The Arab Association for Human Rights (HRA) was
formed in 1988 to address discriminatory practices and
human rights abuses by Israel against its Palestinian
citizens.

It is a unique association concerned with the civil,
political, economic, social and cultural rights of the
Palestinian national minority in Israel. Among the issues
of concern are land confiscation, education, prison
conditions, unemployment, torture and the unequal
allocation of Israel's resources.

Today there are around 800,000 Palestinian Arabs living
within the Green line (the pre-1967 borders of Israel),
constituting 18% of Israel's citizens. For them it is an
empty citizenship in a system geared exclusively for the
needs of the Jewish population. Legally and practically,
Israel has proclaimed itself a Jewish state and early
promises of equality for non-Jewish citizens have not
been fulfilled. This is apparent in many areas strongly
affecting the Palestinian national minority.

Most Arab agricultural land has been confiscated since
1948. The Arab sector is vastly underfunded and does
not receive a fair share of state resources. On a day-to-
day level, Palestinians face discrimination in many
different forms and find it is a struggle to get permission
to build a house, start a business, find a job or educate
their children.

ACTIVITIES


When they explode 'em, all the screws fly away.


Does anyone know how to absolute memory locations in windows,
ie.  hardware that is memory mapped at very high addresses 16mb++
and above?
Please reply by email
thanks
David


Spike is owned by both Tom and I.  We went 1/2's on the purchase price
and have split costs of needed parts, registration, etc.  Both names are
on the pink slip.

I am covered by insurance to ride the Harley.   I'd give it a go if
I could work the clutch.  I can barely get the clutch lever to move
using both hands while standing next to the bike.  Ol' Sport is a
very distinctive bike.
The Concours is favorite of mine.  I've pillioned an easy 4000 miles
on that bike in the last year.  Unfortunately, my feet are a good
10" off the ground once I'm on her.  No way I could take her for a
ride as pilot rather than pillion.  If I could fit on a Concours, I'd
buy one.  IMHO, the best sport-tourer made.  I'm not _too_ upset
I had to settle for the Ducati 750SS as my touring bike, though. :-)

So, now you know.

Beth


: Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
:

	Yes.

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1990 Ninja 250


OK, now you are starting to define your criteria.

I'm afraid that you haven't actually proved that.  You have shown that some
aspects of MSW3.1 are technically inferior to other systems.  As I said
earlier, if this is all you are trying to say then it is trivially true.
But some aspects of MSW3.1 are actually technically superior to each of the
other systems (resource requirements, performace, device support, printer
support, GUI etc.)

[ BTW, I'd love to see the studies which show that UNIX/X is as easy to
  learn as Windows! ]

But I might even agree that, on balance, MSW3.1 is technically inferior to
some of the competition. This still does not prove your point.

Range of available applications? Base OS cost? Cost of applications? Cost
of hardware? Multi-platform support?  Quality of the after-sales service?
Availability of books/training materials? Support for visual and physical
handicaps?  Suitability for use in mobile computing? Quality of
Documentation?


I think that Grant Fuhr deserves more credit than that!
While it's true that the entire Sabres team played very well, I
still believe that if it wasn't for Grant Fuhr, the series would
now be tied 2-2. He virtually stole games 1 and 3 for the Sabres.
In both of these games, Fuhr stood on his head to give the Sabres
the chance to win. Especially in game 3, Fuhr made a series of
huge stops in the third period when the score was tied 2-2.
Even in game 2 when the Sabres won 4-0, the score seemed to
indicate that the Sabres dominated. However, if it hadn't been
for Fuhr, the Sabres wouldn't have been up (2-0 I think it was)
through the 2nd period and the Bruins wouldn't have had to open
up the game (thereby allowing Mogilny to score the third goal on
a breakaway to salt away the game).  There
is no doubt in my mind that Fuhr was the critical factor in the
victory.

In my opinion, Neely, Oates and Juneau played as well as
LaFontaine, Mogilny and Hawerchuk. The Sabres did get
extraordinary efforts from Hannan, Sweeney, Wood, and Khmylev
(compared to that of the Bruins checkers). However, the Bruins defense
, IMO, played better than the Sabres defense (the Sabres have Ken Sutton
playing a regular shift afterall ;-)
The difference in the series was Fuhr, who outplayed Andy Moog.

Gary


My information shows that the last San Marco launch was 1988.  There seem to
have been a total of seven before that.  I seem to recall that someone, either
ASI or the University of Rome (?) includes money in their annual budget for
maintainance of the platforms (there are actually two).

The Italians have been spending money to develop an advanced Scout.  However,
recent events in the Italian space program, and the Italian government overall
make me skeptical that this will get off the ground in the near future.


Davis Nicoll sez;

I'd buy that for two reasons.  The tubes for TV's and radios (if you can
still find them) are usually 3x or more expensive than comparable transistors.

Also, ask any electric-guitar enthusiast which type of amp they prefer, and
they'll tell you tube-type, since tubes have lower distortion and noise
than transistors.  'Course, most of your electric guitar types just say
"Tubes sound better, dude." :-)

Also, transistors have the advantage in both waste-heat and energy-use,
mainly because of the heaters on the cathodes of the tubes.

-Tommy Mac
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk   \\ As the radius of vision increases,
18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.


	A "reasonable" umpire would have recognized that Ron Gant was
disturbed with the call.  A "reasonable" umpire would have realized that
there was a 1-run game in progress, with two outs in the ninth.  What
Ron Gant did was try to regain his composure.  What a "normal" baseball
player would have done would have been to get into a heated argument
with the umpire, and since you can't argue balls and strikes, he would
have been ejected from the game.  Ron Gant, by trying to avoid such a
conflict, was penalized for showing some restraint.

	Incidentally, a "reasonable" home plate umpire would not have been
so resistant to seeking the appeal to the first base umpire, as Gant
requested.  If the home plate umpire had appealed to first, the first base
umpire could have wrung up the strike, and Gant would not have been so
upset.  If the call had been a ball, and the catcher had requested the
appeal, it is likely the home plate umpire would have asked for the help.

	Finally, the entire game was pretty much a mockery of the so-called
efforts to "speed up the game."  The game was played very quickly, it was
just at 2 hours when the stuff happened in the ninth, and the only delays
in the entire game had been *the result* of actions by the umpires (other than
Deion having to clean garbage off the field).


Hello, this package is the right thing for you if you are
planning a short vacation in central Florida. For $169, you get:

	--Four nights in first class hotels for two adults and up
to three children. Two nights each in Orlendo and Daytona Beach.
You will pay additional state tax of $3/day (required by law).

	--A great coupon book for major tourist atractions,
restaurants, etc.

	--Fully transferable. It expires at 9/16/93. Can be extended
for a whole year for only $20 more.

	--you need to make reservation 45 days in advance otherwise
the availability of hotel is not ganranteed.

	--Price negotiable.

	The reason I am selling it is because I missed the deadline
of using it for last Chrismas.


I and many others on a.a have described how we have tried to find god.
Are you saying our efforts have not been sincere?  For all the effort
I have put in, there has been no outward nor inward change that I can
perceive.  What's a sincerely searching Agnostic or Atheist supposed to
do when even the search turns up nothing?

How do you "accept that which you don't know"?  Do you mean that I must
believe in your god in order to believe in your god?


I would guess that it probably has something to do with the ease of which
ideas and thoughts are communicated on a college campus.  In the real world
(tm) it's easier for theists (well, people in general really) to lock
themselves into a little bubble where they only see and talk to those
people who are of the same opinion as they are.  In college you are
constantly surrounded by and have to interact with people who have
different ideas about life, the universe, and everything.  It is much much
harder to build a bubble around yourself to keep everyone else's ideas from
reaching you.

So, in a world where theists are forced to contend with and listen to
atheists and theists of other religions some are bound to have a change in
their beliefs over four years.  There is nowhere to run.... :-)


I am having trouble compiling xtmenu.  I am running on a Sparc IPC
using SunOS 4.1.1 and OpenWindows 3.  I am getting undefined references
to arguments to XtSetArg such as XttextEdit, XttextRead, etc.  Am I
using the wrong version of a library? missing an include file?  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Jeff.

----------------------------------------------------------------------


From article <1993Apr22.145106.158@cathy.ijs.si>, by Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si:
[...]
[...]

Are you sure that the field is in the area you found the antenna
farm?  The tomb ("Ymvos") of Marathon which Herodotus specifies as near
the fighting area is in an area open to the public.

You must be referring to the U.S. army base of "Nea Makri".  It was
built by the U.S. in the same manner as bases all over the world
(W. Germany, Spain, Philippines, Turkey etc.) were built.  I think
it was a telecommunications hub.  Over the recent years U.S. forces
have withdrawn from the base and removed all military equipment.  The
area is currently under the control of the Greek Navy until the all
interested parties (local goverment, central goverment, political parties
agree on what should be done with the land (park, recreation area,
real-estate.)

(This has nothing to do with cryptography, security and the EFF; I have
redirected followups to soc.culture.greek)

Diomidis


Could someone please tell me how I can access the FAQ for this
group?  I'm relatively new, and would like to read it, but
although I've seen it mentioned, I've yet to see it posted.  Is
it archived somewhere or does someone post it to the group on a
regular basis?  or, is it distributed on-demand?  I'd appreciate
any help anyone can give me.

Thanks in advance.

			- Mary

p.s.  Please respond via email as the articles expire within 24
hours on my mail system, and I don't always get a chance to read
everything.  Thanks.

===============================================================
Mary Blumenstock               mblumens@itsmail1.hamilton.edu


Wouldn't bother me.  I'd laugh.  It wouldn't work -- the surface of the
Moon is *already* pretty dark, and the contrast would be so poor you
couldn't possibly see it.  The only reason the Moon looks bright is that
it's in bright sunlight against an otherwise-dark sky.  Evidently Heinlein
didn't know that...


Of course there is.

Perhaps the Vogons will put in a hyperspace bypass so that he can get there.


I get "antsy" about posts like this. Is the concern more for son or about ex-w
ife??? The standard impartial procedure is to ask for a second opinion
about son's condition.
Then too, is son "acting out" games between divorced parents????


Actually the company, and the product was ROVAC - which stood for
ROTary Air Conditioning..it used a rotary compressor with what
was effectively an air/air heat exchanger, and worked pretty well.
The negatives were mostly that it was about 5-10% less efficient than
using freon, and noise problems from the high velocity/pressure air,
all of which were solved by the time the company went bankrupt.  It
is still a legal entity in Florida, but I believe completely "dead"..
and there's a heck of an opurtunity to buy up it's patents and restart
the operation...


Dave Edmondson, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:05:41 GMT wibbled:
: : kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:

: Jonathan Quist bemoaned:

: : : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes
: of A.M.,
: : : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have
: non-British
: : : |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing

: Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was
: late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may
: be able to sell them for a sensible price.

: : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: : : the name.

: : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

: : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
: : company from the RR Aero-Engine company.

: It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars.

: And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.

: Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail
: address so we can bung him on the Ogri list?

: dave
: --
: David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
: Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
: "This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."

What, you mean like the one in my bleedin' signature?!

HELLO!

--

Nick (the Connected Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Mail Address

M'Lud.


Quebec dominated Habs for first 2 periods and only Roy kept
this one from being rout, although he did blow 2nd goal.
Canadians showed up in third but Nords were playing dump &
pull back most of the time. Hextall made some good saves but
really this one was lost in first period when nords scored 3
& could have had 5, plus another 4 in 2nd. Canadians are dead
meat, they may take one or 2 but this one is over. Tee it up
Jacques, next time you might rest players & forget about 1st
place, welcome to the Adams division.


Hi,

I have an application which draws graphs, bar charts etc. I need to include
print support for these from within my application i.e. a user can print
the graphs from within the applictaion by clicking on a print button. I am
not sure if I can invoke xwd & xpr from within my application and specify
the window id to get my window dump and then send this file for printing or
if there are other ways of doing this. I would appreciate any help in this
regard. Thanx.

	- Mahendra.

PS : Please mail your replies to me as I am not a regular reader of this
news group. I will post a summary if there is sufficient interest.

--


A friend, a 62 year old man, has calcium deposits on one of his
heart valves .   What causes this to happen and what can be done about
it?


It is the Serbs who were divided when Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina
attempted to secede from Yugoslavia, ripping more than 2,000,000 Serbs
and their property out of Yugoslavia.

The Croatian and Muslim nations had the right to secede, not the Republics.
Additionally, the secessions were to be negotiated, which would probably
have required international mediation; instead the secessions were illegal,
unilateral, and acts of war against Yugoslavia and those who did not
want to be ripped out of Yugoslavia by the secessions.


Do you have a better e-mail address, Mr. Lurie?  I'm afraid I can't
get the short version to work.

In any case, on Winfield.  Yes, his career BA is a mere .285.  He
didn't beat this until his sixth year in the majors, and has only
topped it once since 1988.  His peak was in the early '80s, and
included some rather impressive seasons.  But then he's also had
other scattered great performances (like 1988 and 1992).  Definitely
*not* a smooth career curve!


Actually, IFF is a *format standard*.  It is not a picture file format, sound
file format, but there exist several formats that use the IFF standard.  The
IFF picture standard used by mostly everybody is a FORM ILBM (or just ILBM).
The only 3D IFF specification I know of is TDDD, which is used by Imagine and
it's predecessor, Turbo Silver.   It is possible that some of the other Amiga
packages use another *IFF* spec, but I don't know of any.  Lightwave will load
TDDD FORM's I believe.


Newsgroup: sci.electronics
From: martin.vuille@synapse.org
Subject: PCMCIA

Does anyone know who to contact to obtain a copy of the PCMCIA standard?

Thanks
MV


Buffalo fans:

Some people in the discussion group, as well as "commentator Al" on ESPN,
believe that game 3 is critical for the Sabres.  HELLOOOO!!!!! The Sabres
are AHEAD 2 games to 0, not behind.  As a life-long Sabres fan, I am well
aware of their ability to choke, but let's not exaggerate that.  As long as
the Sabres win one of the next 2 games (be it game 3 OR game 4), they are
still in good shape (ahead 3 games to 1), with game 6 to be played at
Buffalo.  If they lose games three AND four, then start worrying.  Game 3 is
critical for Boston, not Buffalo.


ignore


That wasn't my point. My point is that your implied position about the "Waco
Massacre" is an assertion cum political position. According to a CNN poll,
about 86% of Americans think the FBI acted properly, and a majority think
they should have done it (the tear gas) a lot sooner. A large majority also
believe the FBI was not at all responsible for the death of the victims,
Koresh was. (Let's avoid the kind of fruitless argument of the sort If A
hadn't X'd, then B might not have Y'd....)

What you call the "Big Brother Chip" is right now a proposal under
discussion, and it is not yet clear that strong crypto is going to be
banned.

Therefore neither justifies "any tactic is fair." Thus the statement is
nonsense. It is pernicious, because "any tactic" can lead to damaging
others.

As I see you know from the tone of your reply, there's nothing personal
intended.

David


But I believe that there is a fundamental difference here.  The other x
three instruments are focusing instruments, that, more or less, form
an image, so positional errors are limited by craft attitude and the
resolving power of the optics.  BATSE is an altogether different
beast, effectively just 8 coincidence counters, one on each corner of
the craft.  Positional information is triangulated from the
differential signal arrival times at each of the detectors.
Positional error would be predominantly determined by timing errors
and errors in craft attitude. Since none of the 8 BASTE detectors have
any independant angular resolution whatsoever, they can not be used to
determine parallax.  Indeed, parallax would just add a very small
component to the positional error.

Demonstrating that these puppies are beyond the oort cloud would
require resolution on the order of arcseconds, since the oort
cloud is postulated to extend to about 0.5 parsec (all together
now: "Parallax ARc SECond", a parsec is the distance of an object
that demonstrates one arc second of parallax with a 2 AU base line).
If the 3 degree accuracy reported above is true, we're going to
have to add a BASTE to the pluto fast flyby to get enough baseline.

The beauty of BASTE is that it both gives positional information and
watches the entire sky simultaneously, a realy handy combination
when you have no idea where the next burst is coming from.


Could someone give me some information on the cause, pathophysiology and
clinical manifestations and treatment of this type of cancer.


	I have to say I think this is the first time there has
been something posted that opposed me without making personal
insults. Congradulations tim. I think the other people answered
you on most of the factual parts(esp. about the internal
conflicts policy).
	Israel very often gets away with more
than most other nations (Due to U.S. vetos). While I am not
familiar with every instance I know that the reason Saudi
Arabia was not condemned for killig the pilgrims was that the
pilgrims were iranian. Yes, the UN is biased but mostly in
favor of the US and its allies (Including Israel, Saudi Arabia
and Pakistan) and against "Outlaw" countries like iran and more
recently Iraq. Far be it from me to support the repressive
governments there but I think they get more slack than Israel
for things they do "wrong". Again the reason some condemnations
don't occur lies in the race or country of the victims. The
gassed Iraqi kurds got associated with Iran in the war and
since Iran was perceived as worse than Iraq no condemnation
resulted. The palestinians killed by arab countries involved
another case of who cares. It seems that until very recently no
one cared about how many palestinians died anywhere (including
in Israel and the occupied territories).
	Again I appreciate the lack of personal insults.


	Some TV's, including my RCA set at home, uses simple carriers
which I think run between 32 and 36 or 38 KHz.  There is no tone decoding
in it.  All one has to do to piss the thing off :-) is just hook an
IRLED up to a variable oscillator and tune through.  Wreaks all kinds
of havoc.  :-)

	Similarly, my VCR remote changes channels on my cable box.  Always
seems to change the cable box to channel 5 when you do the pause/play.

	SOOOO, some things do have some overlap to them.


A bright light phenomenon was observed in the Eastern Finland
    on April 21. At 00.25 UT two people saw a bright, luminous
    pillar-shaped phenomenon in the low eastern horizont near
    Mikkeli. The head of the pillar was circular. The lower part
    was a little winding. It was like a monster they told. They
    were little frightened. Soon the yellowish pillar became
    enlarged. A bright spot like the Sun was appeared in the middle
    of the phenomenon. At last the light landed behind the nearby
    forest. Now there was only luminous trails in the sky which were
    visible till morning sunrise.

    The same phenomenon was observed also by Jaakko Kokkonen in
    Lappeenranta. At 00.26 UT he saw a luminous yellowish trail in
    the low northeastern horizont. The altitude of the trail was
    only about 3-4 degrees. Soon the trail began to grow taller.
    A loop was appeared in the head of the trail. It was like a
    spoon. This lasted only 10 seconds. Now the altitude was about
    five degress above horizont. He noted a bright spot at the
    upper stage of loop. The spot was at magnitude -2. The loop
    became enlarged and the spot was now visible in the middle of
    the loop. A cartwheel-shaped trail was appeared round the bright
    spot. After a minute the spot disappeared and only fuzzy trails
    were only visible in the low horizont. Luminous trails were still
    visible at 01.45 UT in the morning sky.

    The phenomenon was caused by a Russian rocket. I don't know if
    there were satellite launches in Plesetsk Cosmodrome near
    Arkhangelsk, but this may be a rocket experiment too. Since 1969
    we have observed over 80 rocket phenomena in Finland. Most of
    these are rocket experiments (military missile tests?), barium
    experiments and other chemical releases. During these years we
    have observed 17 satellite launches.

    Leo Wikholm


Have you ever noticed that after a hockey player has been interviewed
in between periods on a tv game. That they usually get a goal or
an assist. can you explain this or is it that they usually talk
to stars more than regular players which explains the hight
percentage of results after.

Just wondering how everybody else thinks about this or if they dont
care about this trivial nonsense.
ttyl  Tom


   For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the
barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
Ephesians 2:14


2) Hitting....Hawks tried to outmuscle Blues but could not do it.
Instead, Blues matched Hawks hit for hit and crunched the shit out of
them in game #4.....Scud line, Shanahan, Butcher, and Zombo particularly
took turns bashing favorite targets like Chelios.

3) Skating.....when the Hawks tried to outskate Blues, they could not do
that either.  Nelson Emerson finally showed up and skated circles around
flat footed Chicago defense.....Hedican, Felsner, Ron Wilson and others
also proved that with old cement skaters like Goulet and Keith Brown,
Blues could lap Chicago in a 400 M relay race.

     I agree with #2 but you are wrong about #3.  In fact, the only
     point where the Hawks in any way matched the Blues was when
     they quit trying to outmuscle and instead tried to outskate
     the Blues.  They scored and took the lead.  Too bad it was
     Game 4 and they then took some stupid penalties.  When the
     Hawks skated, they outskated the Blues and took control.


:
: 	I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null modem
: cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last statement.)  What I'm
: asking is what pins does it use (or what are it's specifications?)  I just want
: to solder one myself instead of buying one.  I don't even know what port is
: used.
:
: Help me please (at ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu)
:
: Kevin
:
: p.s.  I'm intending to use the cable for PC-to-PC transfers (via Lap-Link or
: Telix.  Ideas and info gladly accepted.)

I do not have specific knowledge of Lap-Link or Telix, but my recommendation
for ANY package is to follow each one's instructions for making the null-
modem cable.  The reason is that each one may be different since there isn't
really a standard for PC to PC communications.  The following is a tutorial
I wrote up that will give you an understanding about RS-232 and null modems,
but you should still check your software!

I will eplain a couple of details of RS-232.  RS-232 is
a commumications specification for communicating between a computer and a
modem.  Actually it can be between any end system and any communications
hardware.  The terminology used is Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) and DATA
Communications Equipment (DCE).  RS-232 spells out the voltage levels, the
connector type, the pinouts, and the signal protocols.  The connector is
a "DB-25" but IBM has set an alternative "standard" of DB-9.  The primary
signals are Transmit Data (TD), Recieve Data (RD), and Signal Ground (SG).
There are other signals that provide control between the DTE and the DCE.
For example, the DTE announces that it is powered up and ready to participate
in communications via the Data Terminal Ready (DTR) signal.  DTR is an
output on the DTE and an input on the DCE.  Similarly, the DCE announces that
it is ready to participate in communications via the Data Set Ready (DSR)
signal.  DSR is an input on the DTE and an output on the DCE.  Ok that's
five signals; there are only four more of interest.  The Request To Send (RTS)
signal is an output from the DTE (and an input to the DCE) that is used
to ask the DCE permission to send data.  If the DCE agrees, it sends an ok
via the Clear To Send (CTS) signal.  (For completeness, the CTS is an input
to the DTE and an output from the DCE).  The other two signals (of interest)
are Ring Indicator (RI) and Data Carrier Detect (DCD).  These are both inputs
to the DTE and outputs from the DCE.  RI is just what you would expect -
a signal to the DTE saying that someone is attempting to establish a connection
to the DCE.  This is rather specific to the modem / telephone line setup.
DCD is a way for the DCE to announce that the "connection" has been established
i.e. the local DCE is talking to some remote DCE.  There - that's it.  Oh
there are many other RS-232 signals defined, but they are obsolete.  I have
explained the nine signals that are on a PC.  The pinouts are as follows:

Name    DB-9     DB-25
 SG       5        7
 TD       3        2
 RD       2        3
DTR       4       20
DSR       6        6
DCD       1        8
RTS       7        4
CTS       8        5
 RI       9       22

Now to address your problem at hand.  When you connect a PC to a PC (a DTE
to a DTE), there is no DCE pair in the middle and therefore the RS-232
signal definitions don't work out quite right.  There is no DCE to assert
the CTS, DSR, DCD, or RI.  So the common thing to do is to not use these
signals at all - and also forget about the DTR and RTS outputs as well.  If
this is done you simply make a null modem (a cable) that passes through SG,
and crosses TD and RD (i.e. pin 2 of one end connects to pin 3 at the other
end, etc).  The problem with this solution is that a PC that wants to send
data has no way of knowing if the other PC is ready.  It would have to just
send the data and hope it got through.  Therefore a better null modem would
include the DTR/DSR pair crossed.  A particular point a confusion is in the
software area.  Just because you run the wires does not mean that the soft-
ware will use them.  If you are using the built-in BIOS to control the
serial port, then the BIOS dictates what wires you need and how they are to
be used.  But if you have a comm. package such as Brooklyn Bridge, or Lap-
Link or Telix, then those packages dictate the cabling requirements.  The
only thing you can guess reliably is the SG, TD, and RD.  The DTR/DSR is also
fairly common.  There is one more issue that needs to be addressed here.  And
that is flow control.  In the RS-232 scenerio, the DCE's are responsible for
flow control and it is assumed that the DCE couldn't possible over-run the
DTE.  By this I mean that as long as the DTE has its DTR line asserted, the
DCE will send data - without requesting permission first.  Note the contrast
to the other direction of data flow: the DTE must request permission by
asserting the RTS line and it must wait for the CTS signal before it can
send.  And now in the DTE to DTE scenerio, the question is do you need flow
control?  The answser is usually.  But how?  For non-binary communications,
one common technique is XON - XOFF which is implemented in software - no
wires are dedicated to flow control; the TD and RD carry the XON and XOFF
commands.  This type of flow control can be used in addition to hardware
flow control, but the problem is that you can't send binary data because
your data might include the XON or XOFF codes and cause erroneous conrol
signals.  (A work around is to have the software insert and extract "escape"
codes, but the hardware flow control is prefered).  The problem with hard-
ware flow control is that there is no standard.  There are lots of ways to
do it and I bet they have all been tried.  One cornerstone of all the methods
is to use the RTS/CTS for one direction.  But beyond that anything is fair
game.  Again, you must look to you comm package for cabling requirements.
But I bet you'll find that one cable (if wired properly) could work with
all of the packages as long as they are of the same vintage.  By the way,
I am familiar with one package that uses RTS/CTS and DTR/DSR for flow control
the RTS is request to send and the DTR is ready to recieve, the CTS is the
clear to send and the DSR is the request to recieve.  This does not mean a
differnt cable - it is just software.  The clincher to all of this cabling
stuff is that it is common to have the UART directly controlled by the CTS
signal which means that the CTS must be present even if you are not support-
ing it in software.  For these cases you will find cables that short the
RTS to the CTS at the same end (or perhaps the DTR to the CTS).  Other
possible shorting might be done just because the software expects certain
signals that you don't have (or don't feel like providing because it would
mean additional wires).  Specifically I am talking about the DSR.  Shorting
the DTR to the DSR is not a good idea in general but you may find cables like
this.  It is a bad idea because it defeats the whole purpose.  One more
"gotcha" signal is the DCD.  Some software (including the PC BIOS) expects to
see the DCD before it will work.  This signal sometimes gets shorted with the
DTR.  But my favorite null modem has the RTS and CTS shorted at each end, but
the RTS is also connected through to the other end and connected to DCD.  And
of course the DTR/DSR are crossed as are the TD/RD and of course the SG must
pass through.  This null modem works with most software.  The flow control,
if any, can use the RTS/DCD with the DTR/DSR.  If your comm. package does not
specify the cable required for PC to PC connection, then I suggest you use
this one.

    TD  ------  RD
    RD  ------  TD
    DTR ------ DSR
    DSR ------ DTR
    DCD ------ RTS-\
  /-RTS ------ DCD |
  \-CTS        CTS-/


[ There are actually some talk.abortion related comments below, believe it or
  not... ]

Well, if our observer X is as likely to be in A's position as B's, and if he
agrees that both A and B are making appropriate observations and inferences
regarding the situation, then I would expect him to conclude that there is no
right answer.  Hopefully there would be some other factor which would allow
him to make some judgement regarding which answer to accept.

If, on the other hand, he disagrees with the principles of either A or B, I
suspect he would make a decision in favour of the other one.

It is unfortunately the case that not all moral arguments have answers from
all perspectives.  For instance, I am completely unable to come to any
conclusion regarding whether abortion should be allowed or not, from my
perspective.  In an ideal world, all living things would have a right to
life; but in an ideal world, women would have the absolute right to do what
they like with their own bodies.  Clearly there is no way to resolve in
favour of both these principles.  Therefore I agree with the compromise
solution of allowing abortion up to a certain time after conception, and
deciding on the time based on various (sometimes ill-defined) criteria.  This
is also a sensible move, I think, because it lets people make their own
decisions (within reason).  And for what it's worth, I am reasonably happy
with current UK abortion law.

Similarly, the situation in what's left of Yugoslavia is a horrible mess, and
I really can't see my way to any sort of conclusion.  There, I don't even
know enough to imagine what sort of compromise one might manage.


Claude, I've not heard or read anything that would suggest that vitamin A(
retinol) could reverse hearing loss due to nerve damage(usually caused by
high sound levels, but also occassionally due to severe infection).  The
types of cells that vitamin A regulates are the general epithelial cells
and these cell types are not the ones that function in the ear hearing
process.  The hair cell nerve-like epithelial cells in the ear may respond
to vitamin A during cellular differentiation(embryogenesis) but I don't
know if they are still capable of responding in adults.  If they are
capable of responding with new hair growth, this would be a very major
breakthrough in hearing loss.  With all of the medical interest in vitamin
A, it would not be too surprising if a clinical study was done using
vitamin A to reverse hearing loss.  But with only a news announcement to go
on(and this type of communication is notoriously bad), I can't comment on
your question anymore than I already have.  If one study has been done,
more will need to follow to firm up a link between vitamin A and hearing
loss if there really is one.


Having upgraded to a Supra 9600 Fax modem, my
Supra 2400 Modem is for Sale at 50$ + S/H. Approx 1.3 years old.
Excellent working condition.

send email rosen@ringer.cs.utsa.edu, or call at 210-691-5696.


es:

A couple other problems with the 486DX/50:

1.)  System manufacturers had MAJOR problems solving the electromagnetic
interference problems with 486DX/50 systems.  Getting an FCC-B (home use)
certification required additional shielding in the system.

2.)  HEAT...a lot of people seem to be installing heat sinks and/or cooling
fans on their 486DX2/66 chips.  I would guess that the 486DX/50 ran
temperatures inside the case even hotter.  And heat is the enemy of system
reliability.

Ed


In the videos of the original BATF attack on the BD church, did anyone
happen to see BATF agents on the highest structure, where Koresh's
room was? I don't recall seeing BATF agents higher than the roof of the
lowest structures, so I made an assumption that BATF helos did the
firing down into the tower. Any other info on how the rounds came
through the roof?


: : I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining
: : one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in
: : Crystal City.  [...]

: I just posted the GIF files out for anonymous FTP on server ics.uci.edu.
: You can retrieve them from:
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode01.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode02.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode03.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode04.gif
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:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode07.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode08.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode09.gif
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:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode11.gif
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:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode13.gif
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:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode15.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode16.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode17.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeA.gif
:   ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeB.gif

: The last two are scanned color photos; the others are scanned briefing
: charts.

: These will be deleted by the ics.uci.edu system manager in a few days,
: so now's the time to grab them if you're interested.  Sorry it took
: me so long to get these out, but I was trying for the Ames server,
: but it's out of space.

But now I need to clarify the situation.  The "/incoming" directory on
ics.uci.edu does NOT allow you to do an "ls" command.  The files are
there (I just checked on 04/28/93 at 9:35 CDT), and you can "get" them
(don't forget the "binary" mode!), but you can't "ls" in the
"/incoming" directory.

A further update: Mark's design made the cover of Space News this week
as one of the design alternatives which was rejected.  But he's still
in there plugging.  I wish him luck -- using ET's as the basis of a
Space Station has been a good idea for a long time.

May the best design win.

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368


Team Canada defeated Russia 3-1 to finish the priliminary
round unbeaten at 5-0. Scoring for the Canadians were Kevin Dineen of
the Flyers, Eric Lindros also of the Flyers and Paul Cariya of the
Maine Black Bears. Cariya has put on quite a show at the Worlds. He is
sure to be drafted in the top 3 this summer at the NHL entry draft.

	Canada defeated Italy 11-2 and Austria 11-0 before meeting the
Russians on Sunday. The Canadians now face Finland in the Quarter -
finals on Tuesday.


This is a fundamental aspect of Novell's business; they wouldn't be
where they are if they didn't live up to their "Novell Does Printing"
slogan.  We run 6 printers of varying types off our Novell network;
I'm sure there are places with hundreds.

RTFM on the CAPTURE command, PRINTCON, PSERVER, and the sections of
the Windows 3.1 manual which cover network printing.  If you haven't bought
Novell's products yet, rephrase your question and look for information about
how *well* various competitors do printing.


Moving Sale
~ Large table $25
~ Four-drawer dresser $29
~ Five-shelf book case $19
~ Chair  $19
~ 15-speed Bicycle (KHS brand) $69
~ Microwave oven $59


How quaint of you to point this out, and then to completely ignore
all of the blatant lies you've trotted out. The scenario and genocide
staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet
Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are
remarkable similarities between the plots, the perpetrators, and the
underdogs.

Remember, in article <2BAC262D.25249@news.service.uci.edu>, you have
blatantly lied and still have not corrected yourself.

I'll let the rest of the net judge this on its own merits.

Source: 'The Sunday Times,' 1 March 1992 (a British Weekly, written by
        Thomas Goltz, from Agdam, Azerbaijan.)

    ARMENIAN SOLDIERS MASSACRE HUNDREDS OF FLEEING FAMILIES.

    The spiralling  violence gripping the  outer republics of  the former
Soviet Union gained new impetus  yesterday with cold-blooded slaughter of
hundreds of women and children in war-racked Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Survivors  reported that  Armenian soldiers  shot and  bayoneted more
than 450  Azeris, many of  them women and  children, who were  fleeing an
attack  on their  town. Hundreds,  possibly thousands,  were missing  and
feared dead.
    The attackers  killed most of  the soldiers and  volunteers defending
the women  and children.  They then  turned their  guns on  the terrified
refugees. The few  survivors later described what  happened:" That's when
the real  slaughter began," said  Azer Hajiev,  one of three  soldiers to
survive. "The  Armenians just shot and  shot. And then they  came in and
started carving up people with their bayonets and knives."
    " They were shooting, shooting, shooting", echoed Rasia Aslanova, who
arrived in Agdam with other women and children who made their way through
Armenian lines. She said her husband, Kayun, and a son-in-law were killed
in front of her. Her daughter was still missing.
    One boy who arrived in Agdam had an ear sliced off.

    The survivors  said 2000  others, some of  whom had  fled separately,
were still missing in the gruelling terrain; many could perish from their
wounds or the cold.
    By late  yesterday, 479 deaths had  been registered at the  morgue in
Agdam's morgue,  and 29 bodies  had been buried  in the cemetery.  Of the
seven corpses  I saw awaiting  burial, two  were children and  three were
women, one shot through the chest at point blank range.
    Agdam hospital was  a scene of carnage and terror.  Doctors said they
had 140 patients who escaped slaughter, most with bullet injuries or deep
stab wounds.
    Nor were they safe in Agdam. On friday night rockets fell on the city
which  has a  population  of 150,000,  destroying  several buildings  and
killing one person.

Now wait, there is more.

           IT'S INHUMANE TO IGNORE THIS VIOLENCE

The stories of survivors of Karabag massacre:

69 year old Hatin Nine telling:

-''My Twin grandchildren were cut to pieces in front of my eyes. They told
me: We won't kill you. But the babies have to die in front of your eyes.''

72 year old Huseyin Ibrahimoglu:

- ''Our Turkish village in Khojalu Town was blown up in two hours.
  Turks, you must die.''

28 year old Gulsum Huseyin:

- ''They bayonetted my 3 year old daughter in her stomach in front of
    my eyes.''

Are these stories lies? Have the eye-witnesses been day-dreaming?
Were these stories forged by Turkish journalists in the region?

The nonsense of such a claim is clear from the writings of British
Journalists, too. Two days before we had quoted from a Sunday Times
article. They[British] reported the events in Karabag even before
Turkish journalists. What is more here are the pictures. Pictures
of people who were bayonetted, whose eyes were gouged, ears cut off.

Even the Armenian Radio couldn't claim these "lies." They are saying
"exaggeration." That means ''somethings'' have happened but the
situation is not as bad as reported. Perhaps that village of Khojalu
town was destroyed in 4 hours, instead of 2... Or Gulsum Huseyin's
3 year old daughter was bayonetted in her chest instead of stomach...

The massacre is clearly seen with all its dimensions. The effects of
this massacre on Karabag and environs cannot be reduced by any word.

Some of the western press', led by some French Newspapers, ability
to ''close their eyes'' is nothing but complicity in this massacre.

Yesterday we gave samples from Le Figaro. Until yesterday's print
no news about the real events in Karabag were printed. So were the
French TV channels.. The subject they considered related to Karabag
was ''The necessity of protecting Armenians against Azeri attacks.''

The age we are living in is termed a human rights age. There are lots
of organizations such as United Nations and CSCE(Conference on Security
and Cooperation in Europe), and rules, all designed to fight against human
rights violations. International reactions must be made with international
cooperation. With support of everybody and every organization claiming
to be civilized.

Could there be a more serious human rights violation than that of the
right to live -and with such levels of barbarity and cruelty-? Where
is the cooperation? Where are the reactions? And the intellectuals,
journalists, writers, TV stations of certain western countries such
as France who are fast to claim leadership of "human rights?"
Where are you?

Serdar Argic


If you believe that, I have a nice piece for swamp for you for RE
development.  Microsoft does even its techpubs under Windows.

That wasn't Geo Works, was it?  :-)

Nonsense.  Sorry, I make fun of Windows all the time, but the above is
simply a myth.  Tell that to Microsoft, Novell and others who dominate
the market.


        A 'multi-line cleartext bridge?"
                      ^^^^^^^^^
        And just were would you put that bridge?  If it isn't at one of
the receiptants location, forget encryption at all.  You have blown any
security you thought you might have had.


Ivan D. Reid, on the 23 Apr 1993 06:05 PST wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu>, Rob Castro writes...
: >When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

: 	When even the seagulls are walking.   :-)

: Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
: GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

When you can make no headway into the wind?

When you hear a dull booming noise after going down hill with the
wind behind you and you're WFO.

Be very careful during the above, as all the controls will have the
opposite effect.
--

Nick (the Mach 0.22 Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.


I am planning a weekend in Chicago next month for my first live-and-in-person
Cubs game (!!!) I would appreciate any advice from locals or used-to-be locals
on where to stay, what to see, where to dine, etc.

E-mail replies are fine...

Thanks in advance!
Teresa


I think that's an insightful comment.   Especially when at the
same time we have people like Bill "Projector" Conner complaining
that we are posting parodies.


Actually, this was a school in England.  This same biology teacher also
told me that the reason that stars twinkle is that the small spot of
light on the retina sometimes falls between the light recepive cells.
So his info was suspect from the start.


*********  Sega Genesis + Sega CD Forsale   *******

	Recently moved in with some friends who have genesis + Cd player so I'm selling my whole setup.  I'd like to sell everything together.  The package come with....

Sega Genesis
Sega CD
2 Joysticks
1 Pad
Sewer Shark (CD)
Sol-Feace (CD)
Sega Classics (CD) (5 Games on 1 CD)
	Streets of Rage
	Revenge of Shinobi
	Columns
	Golden Axe
Sherlock Holmes (CD)
CD+G Music + graphics sampler
John Madden 92' (Cart)

	All the games have cases and instructions and everything is in great condition.  I would really like to get $350 for all this stuff.  The Sega CD alone is worth $299.  Please email responses to jth@bach.udel.edu

******** I'm dropping the price to $325.  If I can't get that much then I won't sell it.*********


Gee, how about an (ahem) "accelerometer"! Such devices are available from
a variety of sources (one that comes to mind is Bruel & Kjaer if you have
a lot of money to spend). MOst of these sorts of devices output a voltage
proportional to acceleration. You need to know what range you're talking
about though.


Which number is that?  Zero?

Please present "a number" of authoritative works which "suggest"
that "homosexuality is a form of mental disorder, caused by
childhood sexual abuse."

Don't present your own biased conclusions, based on a collage
of tidbits you've extracted from a few hours' research, as the
conclusions of people who study mental disease and sexual abuse
professionally.


Would someone be kind enought to document the exact
nature of the evidence against the BD's without reference to
hearsay or newsreports. I would also like to know more about
their past record etc. but again based on solid not media
reports.

	My reason for asking for such evidence is that last night
on Larry King Live a so-called "cult-expert" was interviewed from
Australia who claimed that it was his evidence which led to the
original raid. This admission, if true, raises the nasty
possibility that the Government acted in good faith, which I
believe they did, on faulty evidence. It also raises the
possibility that other self proclaimed cult experts were advising
them and giving ver poor advice.


I have for sale the following:

	Hewlett Packard 500 Deskjet
	4 Additional Deskjet Ink Cartridges
	8 ft. Parallel Printer Cable

The printer is approx. 2 years old (7 months of use, and then a year
in storage during my relocation from Illinois to Columbus) and
in excellent condition. All original manuals, and boxes are included.
The selling price is $325.00 for the entire package. Unwilling to
break it up because what good would cartridges do me without a printer.

If interested call either (614) 860-2144 or (614) 771-8861. You can also
respond via e-mail.


	Several ways are available -- pageview (which I think came
with our system, so I can't point), ghostview (with ghostscript), and
the new xv 3.00 package all do so.  I recommend the latter two,
especially xv if you want to do any conversion.

	I'm not sure offhand, but I will attempt to mail you the
comp.lang.postscript FAQ, which has a list of utilities.


1. You haven't shown any disproportionate involvement.

2. The Janus Report, which came out recently, gives 9% as the percentage
of exclusively or predominantly gay men.

3. No one is presumably going to say they're gay if they're not. But
some no doubt are going to hide their homosexuality in surveys. Thus
the 1-2% is a lower limit.

I still say that weighing all the evidence gives a most likely percentage
between 5 and 7%.

Brian


Pioneer VSX-501 Audio/Video Receiver

-Dolby Pro Logic Surround, 3CH Logic
-Studio and Simulated Surround Playback
-Video Signal Selector (Simulcast function)
-Two-way VCR Copying and Monitoring
-Acoustic Memory Function
-Custom Memory Function
-Sleep Timer
-Multi-Room Remote Jack
-AV Remote Control Unit

Less than one year old. Excellent shape. $300 firm.


Alison J Wyld wrote to All:

 AJW> Does anyone know of an English language edition that does not show the
 AJW> verse (or even chapter) numbers.

[...]

 clh> [The original NEB put verse numbers only in the margin   [...]

Kenneth Wuest's expanded translation of the New Testament does the same - it puts the range of verse numbers next to the top of each paragraph. Being an expanded translation it is quite verbose though - more suitable for detailed study than for quick reading.

Mike

--- GoldED 2.41


This is not at all comparable. Christianity is the main stream in
western culture. You are trivializing the experiences of others.

I remember what it was like being "different" as a Christian. We
were told all the time that we were different, and in fact that
only members of the our church were really Christians (though others
who believed in God weren't as bad as atheists), so we were a small
minority. That was nothing compared to being an atheist.

The only thing comparable would be a young child being Christian
being surrounded by staunch atheists, including parents, who
actively persecute any religious tendancies - both actual punishments
and, even worse, emotional blackmail. They would also have
to have the whole mainstream society on their side. Maybe these
conditions could have occured in the old Soviet Union* not in a
country with "under God" in its pledge of allegiance.

* I doubt it even then, because children have to be taught to be
Christians and hence must have support somewhere.

Yes. My atheism was "born of necessity." For an intellectually honest
person belief is mostly a response to evidence. Will or wishes have
nothing to do with it. I could choose to lie, or to be silent about
my true beliefs. I could no more choose to believe in the God of
Christianity than I could decide that the ordinary sky looks red to
me. Still I should be clear that I'm not equating what I went through
with what gays go through. However it is a mistake to assume that
everyone who goes through painful experiences are broken by them.
Happily some are made stronger, once we get past it.

Not without going to details and violating the confidences of some of my
childhood friends. Suffice it say to that religion does not guarantee
that a person will be happy and strong emotionally, and a repressive
upbringing can leave its scars even, or especially, on those who don't
get free of it. I doubt that any sane and sincere person doubts that and
I feel no need to defend it.

By the way I am much happier and stronger being out of the closet. In
the end it has been, as someone eloquently put it in private email, an
experience of liberation rather than disillusion.


Isn't that one of those self-evident things like, "how do you decide that
you're out of gas"?

I have never experienced wind so severe it physically precluded operation
of a motorcycle.  It's more a matter of deciding whether the aggravation
is more trouble than it's worth.  This of course, depends entirely on your
own particular circumstances and personal disposition.

--


@> 	A few things about the University. It is more fun than some may
@> admit. Partying does go on and it has consistently been ranked
@> one of Playboy's top party schools. ...


Same old bullshit. Not being given to delusions and wishful thinking
I do not have the option of either loving or obeying that which I have
so reason to believe.

More bullshit. I assure you in my misguided youth I made a sincere effort.
It was very painful being a rational person raised in Christian home.
Many others could tell the same story. You choose not to believe anyone's
experience which contradicts your smug theories.


[stuff about hardware keys]

True, which is why many of the newer keys ship out, oh, maybe 32 bits or
so, have the key encrypt them, and return them to the PC.  Making a bunch
of these 32 bits part of your program code is a good way to make sure
things won't run without the key. :-)  Anyway, then, this scheme at least
defeats your approach.  It's a little costly, though.

Personally, I don't believe in copy protection, and agree with the thought
that the mass inconvenience that it causes all legal users far outweighs
the gains from what few pirates won't be able to copy the program.


Kent Sandvik and Jon Livesey made essentially the same response, so this
time Kent's article gets the reply:

This begs the question of whether it ever "started"-- perhaps because
accuracy was always an intention.

It makes little difference if you have eyewitnesses or people one step away
(reporters, if you will).  As I said earlier, the "telephone" metaphor is
innately bad, because the purpose of a game of telephone is contrary to the
aims of writing these sorts of texts.  (Also, I would point out that, by the
standards generally asserted in this group, the distinction between
eyewitnesses and others is hollow, since nobody can be shown to be an
eyewitness, or indeed, even shown to be the author of the text.)

There is no evidence that the "original" texts of either the OT or the NT
are largely lost over time in a sea of errors, "corrections", additions and
deletions.  In the case of the NT, the evidence is strongly in the other
direction: the Textus R. and the Nestle-Aland text do not differ on more
than a low level of significance.  It is reasonable to assume a similar
situation for the OT, based on the NT as a model.


If you had free reign to design your own instrument cluster, which
gauges would you choose to have beyond the basic set?

I consider the basic set to be:

	- tach

	- coolant temp (or cylinder head temp for air-cooled engines)
	- oil pressure
	- amps

	- speedo
	- fuel

others that are nice to have:

	- volts (maybe this should be in the basic set)
	- vacuum/boost

I can think of a few others, but what are your ideas and why?


Muslims already have, they accepted the Vance Owen plan that gives
50% of the population (Serbian statistics put it at 44%) only 25%
of the territory. They gave some totally Muslim villages and areas
to Croatia and Serbia, they in effect gave the Serbs the land they grabbed
while slaughtering the Muslims anbd raping their women and expelling
the survivors.

Still the Serbs (NOT BOSNIAN SERBS because the real Bosnian Serbs are
fighting with Muslims to defend Bosnia from Serbs, those so called
Bosnian Serbs refused to be part of Bosnia and wanted a greater Serbia),
still those Serbs refused, they have the necessary weapons to kill
more Muslims and grab more territory.


I'd say the subject line about covers it.   I need a MC68881 Floating point
  Co-processor for my SUN 3 system.  Please reply via Email if you've got one
  of these thingies that you'ld like to sell me.

  Thanks.
--
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dead? I saw David Koresh at a local 7-11......


If you _know_ that the number is "so high", would you care to provide it?
To tell you the truth, Hamid, most of those killed by the Israeli Army were
agressors who were invading or attacking Israel with the intention of murdering
Jews and destroying the Jewish State.  Thus, I have no sympathy for them and
I really don't give a damn about how many were killed.


There are a number of inaccuracies here:
1) In fact, a colder battery will self-discharge more slowly.  This is why
   batteries should be stored in a COOL, dry place.
2) An battery placed on concrete does not become colder than one placed
   on wood.  The battery, the wood, and the concrete will all be at the
   same general temperature (ignoring temperature fluctuations) and thus
   none will effect the other.

There is no need to 'exercise' the battery.  Just keep it charged.  (A trickle
charger will do the job.)


{Gladman Aviv} said
   "Re: Blue LED's"
      to <All> on 04-24-93  01:51

 GA> In order to emit blue light, a semiconductor must have a band gap
 GA> energy within the region of 2.6 to 2.8 electron Volts. According to my
 GA> physical electronics prof, you can't get an LED with that band gap.
 GA> That's why you don't find blue LEDs or, for that matter, some other
 GA> colour of LEDs. That is not to say that blue LEDs can't be found.  I've
 GA> seen 'blue' LEDs sold, but they were just your typical visible light
 GA> LED in a blue plastic covering. They didn't emit very much light...

    This is not true they have and do make blue LED's they are
    about 2.80 in digikey. 470nm wavelength by the way

                Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US
             Mangled on Sun  04-25-1993  at 13:33:46


Deletions...

Correction.  I think it was 1978.  Also, contrary to earlier belief, it
is now widely accepted that not all committed suicide, but were actually
killed.  In the end, they did die for a lie, but some not out of
conviction alone.  Thought I try to make this point clear.
--


Hi all,

Has anyone heard of this board? It's a
486DX2-33/66.

If so, does anyone know if it will work
with BSD or Linux?

A local PC vendor has this.  He says it's a U.S.
brand.

Please e-mail if possible.

Thanks,


Whoa there!  Lighten up, Andrew!  When I was referring to "you dorks at
the Western Business School", I was specifically referring to those
assholes writing obnoxious comments insulting the state and people of
Minnesota for no apparent reason.  Being Canadian, and one who has
friends who attended UWO, I personally don't want to be associated with
the idiots who wrote those messages.  One more thing, Andrew...until
this season, the Leafs have sucked pretty badly over the last umpteen
years (have they won the Cup during our lifetime?)...so the North Stars
haven't been the only "shit" team in the Norris.


Acetone will likely damage the carpet. First solvent to try is denatured
alcohol. Do not waste your time with rubbing alcohol. You can use methyl
alcohol instead of denatured alcohol. If you want to have a cocktail while
you are removing the goo, use pure grain alcohol :-). If the alcohol does
not work try carbon tetrachloride. If neither of these work you may need to
try a stronger solvent, but the alcohol works for most adhesives. Good luck.


Any Tcpview-for-Sun users out there?  I pulled down the pre-compiled
executables made for Sun for Tcpview, but I'm getting a whole slew of the
following types of error messages when I try to start it up:
  Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfActivate
  Warning: ... found while parsing '<Key>osfActivate:ManagerParentActivate()'
  Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfCancel
  Warning: ... found while parsing '<Key>osfCancel:ManagerParentCancel()'
  Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfSelect
  Warning: ... found while parsing '<Key>osfSelect:ManagerGadgetSelect()'
  ...
But I *know* I have those in my keysym:
  egrep "osfActivate|osfCancel|osfSelect" $OPENWINHOME/lib/XKeysymDB
yields:
  osfActivate             :1004FF44
  osfSelect               :1004FF60
  osfCancel               :1004FF69
  osfSelectAll            :1004FF71
and, if I take *out* the osf lines from said XKeysymDB, my copy of wscrawl
(another Motif-compiled-for-Sun program) gives the same type of complaints
as listed above.

Any tips?  I'm mystified.


Hi -- sorry if this is a FAQ, but are there any conversion utilities
available for Autodesk *.DXF to Amiga *.IFF format?  I
checked the comp.graphics FAQ and a number of sites, but so far
no banana.  Please e-mail.

Thanks.


I have 9 of these mice which are just taking up space in my
office.  Please buy them.  The price is only $11 and it
will only cost you 2.90 to ship USPS if you prepay.
Here is all I know about them:
Mice 2-button high resolution 400cpi

The mice are acutally quite comfortable, much like the new
hp ergo mouse.  Snugs the hand.


Double speed performance from a CD drive does not require SCSI-2 interfacing.
The resultant 300 kbps speed is well within the transfer rate of an LC. In
other words, I believe you have been given incorrect information.


   This is such Bullshit.  Deir Yassin was an unprovoked attack on
   the part of the Jews, and a massacre defines it best in my
   opinion.  The village of Deir Yassin had had a pact with the
   Jews, a peace pact, but the Irgun purposely broke this
   agreement in order to scare off the Palestinians.  I might
   grant that this village housed armed Arabs [I doubt it] but
   nothing in the archives and available literature indicates that
   this was a motivating force amongst the Irgun.  The Deir Yassin
   MASSACRE was part of an over all strategy to intimidate the
   Palestinians to flee the Jewish Homeland.,...and contrary to
   your belief, many civilians were killed.  Deir Yassin was later
   advertized by the very Jews who perpetrated it because it was
   useful in getting many Palestinians to leave.  The Palestinians
   were rightfully scared off, because they did not want another
   Deir Yassin.
	   I'm not necessarily condemning the Israelites here;
   atrocities were aslo committed on the part of the Arabs.
   Israelophiles should just be careful in thinking that they are
   and were the good guys in the middle east.  Both Arab and Jew
   suck equally.

rj3s, you say that there is no evidence that what motivated the Irgun
to attack Dir Yassin was its strategic importance. In fact, Begin,
who was in charge of the Irgun, wrote that Dir Yassin was attacked for
its military significance.

Dir Yassin was merely a battle in the War of Liberation. People died.
But the thing was never intended to be a masacre. That this hapenned
is a tragedy of war - not a crime of the Irgun.


I know that I've seen this question asked before, but I don't remember
seeing any answers..So here it is again:

     Does any one know of an ftp site where the WD90C31 driver might reside?
I've checked cica, and I'm sure it's not there (I'm refering to the new
version of the driver that came out in 2(?)/93).  I have seen it on c-serve,
but I hesitate to d/l 1 meg. at 2400 bps unless I really have to!
     Alternativly, is it possible to get Paradise (or WD) to mail me the new
drivers, or don't they do that.

     Finally, is it even worth the hassle of getting these things, or is
there not much improvement over my 10/92 version?

                             Thanks for the info,
                                    Peter
--


ABOLISH CULTS!


I wonder where you have been getting your mis-information from. Straight
from the BATF itself?

Koresh and his followers did not -capture- the compound a few years ago, it
has always been theirs. A few years ago their was an argument over who should
lead the group, a gunfight erupted *one* person died. Koresh was charged
with the murder. When the sheriff came to arrest him, the sheriff knocked
on the dorr and showed Koresh the warrant (a tactic that the BATF might try
learning). Koresh and the others charged peacibly surrendered to the sherrif.
A trial ensued, the others were found innocent, and the jury hung on Koresh's
charge.


I have the following prerecorded VHS tapes for sale. All are in
great shape and are being sold since I have replaced all of them
with laserdiscs:

     Star Wars
     The Empire Strikes Back
     Return of the Jedi
     Batman
     Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
     Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
     E.T.


Doesn't MS do the same? (I.e., subsidize app development)

I seem to remember someone at RPI who received an entire (expensive, to run
NT) machine to develop for NT.  Free.  And that's just the small fry...


REPOST:

I have two questions (well probably more...) about how Expose & Configure
events are handled.

I have an appl. which uses 1 window to draw in.  Since I give the user the
capability of scaling and zooming as well as allowing the window to be
resized, I made a translation table for the Expose & Configure events.
The Expose event calls my redraw method while the Configure event
calls my rescale method.  The rescale method invokes a "fake" Expose
event (actually just calls the redraw w/ an appropriate Expose struct)
to draw the data.

Quest 1.
When the appl. is compiled/linked w/ R4 (running in either R4 or R5 env.)
I get multiple (>4) redraws when the window gets uncovered or the size
is changed.  I assume I'm getting cascading events.  Is that right?
Any suggestions as to how to handle/trap events in a better way?

Quest 2.
When the appl. is compiled/linked w/ R5 I get no Expose events
whatsoever.  Do events and/or translation tables act differently in R5?

Thanks in advance


t

The original poster never said they were afraid of King because he was
black.  In fact the officers were afraid of King because of WHAT HE DID,
not because OF THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN.  It is you, Mr. Frank that read the
phrase "large black man" and cried racism in a typical knee-jerk fashion.
When you (and others, I suspect) can get past this problem maybe the real
problems in this issue can be discussed.


The problem is that this will also cause  "a certain amount of interference"
in *all* systems within the range of the device.  A long time ago I built a
small jammer to dissuade my brother from using his radio alarm clock at
something like 4am, which had just enough range to cover my room and his.
However something powerful enough to mask all (or at least most) emissions from
your computer equipment is also going to knock out half your neighbourhoods
radio and TV reception.  This isn't going to make you many friends.

Incidentally, an older-model TRS80 makes a fine wideband jammer <grin>

Peter.


Yes, there are these two senses of interpretation, and certainly our
decision to accept Scripture as inspired ultimately rests on our own
private opinion.  However, when reading Scripture, we have to remember
that the Scriptures were given by God for our instruction, and that
the interpretation that matters is the one God intended.  For example,
if I decide that the fact that John the Baptist is Elijah teaches the
doctrine of reincarnation, I am wrong because that is not the intended
interpretation.  The prophets didn't make up this teaching; it came
from God, and we must accept it as such.  This necessarily means that
our private interpretations must take a back seat to the meaning God
intended to convey.  Certainly we must rely on our best efforts to
determine what this meaning is, but this very fact should make us
recognize that our private interpretations cannot be automatically
accepted as the infallible interpretation of God.  We need to test the
spirits to see if they are from God.  When the Holy Spirit speaks, he
says the same thing to all; he won't tell me that a passage means one
thing and tell you it means another.  If the two of us come to
conflicting conclusions, we can't both be completely right.  We know
our interpretations are reliable only when the Church as a whole
agrees on what Scripture means.  This is how we know the doctrines of
the Trinity, the dual nature of Christ, etc. infallibly.  These
matters are not up for private interpretation.

This is the reason Peter goes on to talk about the deceptiveness of
the false teachers.  They preferred their own private interpretation
to the God-given teaching of the apostles.  It is through such private
interpretation that the traditions of men, so soundly denounced in
Scripture, are started.


Hello,

Can somebody tell me what kind of MOV's are most useful for a computer
surge protector?  Radio Shack have 2 types, both rated 130V, one for
a 10A current and the other for 20A.  On the other hand, commercial surge
protectors I have seen claim a clamping voltage of 330V-400V, which SEEMS to
me in imply a rated voltage of about 250V (250V * SQRT(2.)=353).

What is the right kind?

While at it, ow important is really the EMI/RFI module?  Is there really any
noticable level of such noise in the power line?

Please-  E-MAIL to me, as this group has too much volume for me to be able
to follow.


==========================================================================
  Yes, we do have a beautiful country. And I enjoy it.  Most of all, I
  enjoy the thought that I have the means and can exercise my rights
  to defend me and mine.

  And I want to thank all of you good folks, like Prescod, who remind me
  of what I have.  Along this line, I watched a documentary on one of the
  Nazi concentration camps.  Stacks and stacks of bodies.  There were scenes
  of Hitler speechifying, and what struck me, was the reverence and adoration
  on the faces of the people in the crowds.  I guess they were happy that
  Hitler had implemented full gun control and was taking care of the Jewish
  problem all at the same time.


I doubt if Koresh had let the BATF have a look inside his place as they
intended to do, "orchestrated character assassination, noise torture, and
a holocaust" would never have come to pass.

The BD's killed members of the BATF on the first day. "Orchestrated character
assassination and noise torture" seem like a small retribution.  The use
of tanks is quesionable however.

--Abhijit


Well that may be true.  However, the man page for pageview for OW 2.0
does not mention about DSC compliance.  In any event, the point here
is that if you try to display some PS files using pageview you will
find out that it's not a practical tool.


They also have a lot of the other voters really irritated at them.

Okay, folks, I know I'm in the minority on this issue, but I can't
let this assertion go unchallenged yet again.  I'm going to say this
ONLY ONCE, in the hopes of NOT starting a flame war off of the main
topic.

Guns are offensive.  Cryptography is defensive.  See the difference?
The only way you can use a gun is to hurt somebody else.  Crypto-
graphy helps prevent other people from hurting you.


Either A: God exists, or B: He doesn't.  We have two choices, either
1: Believe in God, or 2: Don't believe in God.  If A is true, then 2
brings eternal damnation, whereas 1 brings eternal life.  If B is
true, then 1 has minor inconvenience compared with 2.  Thus, it is
rational to believe in God.

This has numerous flaws, covered in the FAQ for alt.atheism, amongst
other places.

Disillusionment strikes me as an excellent reason for stopping
believing in something.


Greetings!

            I have 2 sets of plugs for your oscilloscope or function
      hooks.
             I also have 2 sets of probes.  They have multipliers
      of x1 and x10.  There is also an REF switch.

             All these probes and plugs are in excellent conditions.

             If interested, please make me an offer.  I will respond
      to your replies by Wed.


No wonder that we don't see any detail for this claim. It is good to
remember that you have answered the statement that you are a theist
by another correspondent with that you are not a member of a denomination.
It is either stupidity or an attempt at a trick answer. Not unlike the
rest of your arguments.

I am extremely wary of the way you use words. Like in this case, there
are broader definitions of gods used by persons who are considered by
themselves and others theists. I have pointed to that in my post. You
use one of them.

Your use of definitions seems to rest on the assumption: because my
moral is objective/absolute or the other buzz words you are so fond
of, everybody will know it, and there is no need to define it more
exactly.

And as a user has shown recently, the easiest way to dispell you is
to ask you for definitions.


	Personally, I think it was Mrs. O'Leary's cow that knocked over that
lantern...

:*)


I am not familiar with, or knowledgeable about the original language,
but I believe there is a word for "idol" and that the translator
would have used the word "idol" instead of "graven image" had
the original said "idol."  So I think you're wrong here, but
then again I could be too.  I just suggesting a way to determine
whether the interpretation you offer is correct.


I don't see any way that the concrete floor could do anything to the
battery.

However, you would have been better off leaving them outside. Keeping
them cold would have been better for them than bringing them inside.
A warm battery will self-discharge faster than a cold one.

When you are storing a battery it's a good idea to charge it once a month.
Letting a battery go completely dead is bad for it (I suspect this is
what caused your problems).

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KS> This is the story of Kent, the archetype Finn, that lives in the
KS> Bay Area, and tried to purchase Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason". This
KS> man was driving around, to Staceys, to Books Inc, to "Well, Cleanlighted
KS> Place", to Daltons, to various other places.

KS> When he asked for this book, the well educated American book store
KS> assistants in most placed asked him to check out the thriller section,
KS> or then they said that his book has not been published yet, but they
KS> should receive the book soon. In some places the assistants bluntly
KS> said that they don't know of such an author, or that he is not
KS> a well known living author, so they don't keep copies of his books.

KS> Such is the life and times of America, 200+ years after the revolution.

Sigh, now I don't feel so bad.  Searching for a copy in bookstores has
been a habit of mine for at least two years now.  I spend a *lot* of
time browsing through bookstores, new and and used, and I've not once
seen a copy.  Now, I know, all I do is pick up a phone and order the
darned thing, but come on, this is America and he's one of the founding
fathers.  And no one carries his books?  Sure, you can find "Common
Sense" but I think that's because it's required reading for most
colleges.

I did find one hole-in-the-wall bookstore where the owner said that they
usually carry one or two copies, but that they were currently out. I haven't
been back since so I don't know if he was telling the truth or not.

sigh...


:
:         So what's the story here... we're all stuck with the regular
: green, red, and off yellow-orange LED's!?  What gives!!??
:         Anybody have a 'scoop' on FAIRLY LOW PRICED >BLUE< LED's???

If your looking for LEDs in the $.10-$.20 range, forget it. Blue LEDs just
recently became available and the materials they are made of are expensive.
Maybe in the future they will become less expensive (and brighter), but
for now it's going to cost you and the output will be limited. If they ever
do get as efficient and cost effective as red and green LEDs, you're probably
going to see a whole new family of color displays.


After failing my State of New Hampshire Noise Gestapo test with my HD
Slash cut pipes I installed my new Bubs (which I had been planning to
do anyway), went to a different in spection station, and passed with no
problem at about 97 dB.

Two points:

First, I don't think the first dude did the noise test correctly.
Holding the meter close to his body probably caused a high reading, and
doing it inside the garage with the door closed undoubtedly enhanced
the dB level! So if any other NH riders need to get this done, make
sure the inspection is done outdoors with the meter held well away from
the body.

Second, these Bub pipes are bloody terrific. At low revs or cruising
through town, they as quiet as the stock pipes, but have a sound thats
a more throaty, purring, rumble.  When you open her up to >3000 RPM
they emit a wonderfully satisfying rumbling roar. Best of both worlds!


Hello !

Could anybody be so kind and tell me the date and possible ftp-location of
the most recent Win 3.1 printer drivers for:

	- Canon BJ-10e
		and
	- Canon LBP-4

I would really appreciate if you could help me with this.
Thanks in advance!

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I'm currently looking for a viewer for Computer Graphics Metafile (CGM)
pictures. Please inform me about a SHAREWARE or FREEWARE version.

Thnx,
Remco


Re: The 25MHz IIsi


  ESPN had an advertise for Pens/Devils game 4. I don't know what the hell
  they are trying to do, especially against NFL draft. Well I guess there goes
  the NHL ratings for Sundays game.


Vocabulary test: Please define the following words:

   a) contradictory
   b) ambiguous


CAN you read ??
	If so: read my posting about Quisling OR look in a dictionary.
	If not: Don't read this :)


Ignore the attacks and look at the sales numbers and the MS
stock price if you need some
gratification. Just keep doing the great job you have done in the past.
Thx Dave L


Ok, Buffalo fans.  I am a Red Wings fan, but am amazed at how the Sabres are
beating up on the Bruins.  Is there any reason for this?  Is it Grant Fuhr or
Mogilny and Lafontaine?  I would like to hear from you since I do not know much
about the Sabres.


Until recently I always understood the term "kingdom theology" to mean the
theology of the kingdom of God, but now I have discovered that there is a
new and more specialized meaning. I gather that it is also called "Dominion
theology", and that it has to do with a belief that Christians must create a
theocratic form of government on earth before Christ will come again.

I have not come across anyone who believes or advocates this, but I am told
that it is a very widespread belief in the USA.

Can anyone give me any more information about it?

Here are some of my questions:

1. Is it the teaching of any particular denomination? If so, which?
2. Where and when does it start?
3. Are there any particular publications that propagate it?
4. Are there any organizations that propagate it?


When Robert refers to the "orthodox", he is talking about the Historical
position of the Christian Faith. Such things are derived from Biblcal
texts through the centuries by the apocolic fathers of the faith.

You are right that people read things differently in the Bible, and this
is alright in parts like parables and such forth. However, when it comes
to the essential doctrines of the Historical Orthodox Christan Beliefs,
there is only one correct way to read it. For example, either the
doctrine of the Trinity is true, or it is false. Yes, people read the
texts differently, but only one position is true. They both cannot be.
According to the text, the doctrine is true and has always existed.