I expected better than this from Vox. This is highly misleading. In both crashes the plane had a faulty angle of attack (AoA) sensor responsibility for which does not lie with Boeing. In the Lion Air crash, the previous flight had the exact same problem yet was landed safely. Why did Lion Air not fix the problem before it took off again? After the Ethiopian crash, a press conference was held in Ethiopia saying the pilots did everything right and that's a bald lie. The media nonetheless spread it widely. The truth is that that the plane had an obvious problem well before MCAS was ever activated: warnings were going off right at take-off (none of which were because of Boeing or MCAS) and the crew failed to take any action with the most glaring being to run through the unreliable air speed (UAS) checklist. As a result of their ignoring the overspeed warnings the plane became unmaneuverable. Any pilot that doesn't know the memory items for UAS has no business in the front end of the plane. The Ethiopian pilots had the advantage of having the MCAS checklist right in front of them but they failed to follow instruction to re-trim. They then found they couldn't manually trim because they were going too fast but did they slow down? No, they turned MCAS back on. I'll add that it's no conspiracy Boeing didn't mention MCAS to pilots. That's because if your plane is nosing down uncommanded (stab trib runaway), pilots should already know the checklist for stab trib runaway and running through this is the exact same solution as for an MCAS failure. Since the emergency response is the same there's nothing to be gained by burdening pilots with trying to diagnose the problem in the air. There are far more flights in the First World yet these two planes went down in the Third. That's because there's a difference in standards between the two and it is not the plane they fly (therefore not Boeing). Go ahead and try a make Boeing the bad guy but pilots who have looked at this know better.
Guinness yiu have no idea what your talking about anyway. You just think you do because you read something you want to be true.
On some web sites now you can see what plane is servicing the flight so you can see what you are flying on. For example On TRIP. Even if they will bring back this boeng with updated software I will never fly this plane. And for anybody to continue working with such company if a future they must be out of their mind.
Thanks vox for the video, Boeing should take the responsibility for all death and compensate properly to their relatives. The government should even take some strict action against them. I was thinking Boeing is best in term of design and safety but after watching this video I don't trust them. They are killer.
Gues what? Now Trump’eteer politicians are applying defensive tariffs on EU/Airbus imports to contain Boeing colapse. Anything but fair market policies! I hope value of lost lives will prevail over economics.
If the plane I am going on is made by Boeing... I'm getting off.... F you Boeing !
They really couldn't just make the landing gear longer?
I'm never flying again Boeing 737 even after new software update, if these planes ever get clearance of flying again.
Its a superios product that competent nations can handle. Shthole nations that DIDNT prioritise learned a lesson.
I thought the wings were moved as well to fit new engine?
putting something that will override the pilots command is just stupid.
no, putting in the hands of incompetents from ethiopia is the stupid thing to do.
its much more the fault of the airlines which gave the pilots inproper training for situations like this and how people generally get trained as airline pilots than the fault of boeing. im not a fan of the mcas system myself but systems like it are necessary for pilots nowadays to not drive the plane into the ground every few flights. as airliners get more and more automised, pilot training is way less focused on how to actually fly the aircraft like, well, an aircraft but more on how to operate the automated systems inside the cockpit which makes it necessary for companies like boeing to implement systems like the mcas. of course it is a flawed system, im not arguing against that, but if the pilots would have gotten proper training on the airframes, which is job of the airlines and not of boeing, none of this would have happened.
The cowboys won't pay up for sure. They are arrogant deniers as usual. For now, their tactic is just to keep quiet and hoping the wait off the storm.
Unbeleivable..Lyers for money and not taking care of human beings.
I was on an hour and a half flight today from Sydney to Queensland and it was Boeing 737. I was like praying before we took off haha.
As an engineer, this sounds redicolously irresponsible.
Liberals trying to condense a superior product into their bash the US narrative.
The Time We Are Living Right Now,There Is No Value Of Life In This Time. People are dying like ants. Shame Mankind!!!
There you see the result of rivalries , instead of working together and make everything better , they challenge themselves , competition over safety and furthermore , in the background , barely noticed : greed . That greed took over 300 lives with it , just to stay competitive ... arent we supposed to be better then that?
There needs to be a complete redesign of the planes engine. A new slightly less agressive software is another band aid to fixing the problem.
Make the landing gear higher?
This is how all companies work when they are owned by people who have a f#ck knowledge about the product, and only interested in short therm profit. Or better said, every company what is in the stock exchange . It should be forbidden to invest short therm on this fragile companies, if its is Airplane manufacturers, Healthcare, Defence and protection etc. But as the multinationals are big in sponsoring politicians, it will never been done.
Well done Boeing, you just killed over 200 people. You must be proud.
NTSB: "Why didn't you train pilots on the MCAS system?" Boeing: "We didn't know the system was on the plane." "What the hell do you mean by that!" "We didn't install MCAS. It installed itself."
I don't get the logics in this video. If they move the engines upper (and Airbus doesn't), that shall result new Boeing has less nose-up pitching moment, not bigger.
This kind of 'rush' behavior is happening in many corporations, in different industries. Market share and company profits are apparently bigger than human life. With this attitude, we are misdirecting our younger generations against time-taught values of integrity and being thorough of our work.
PUT ON BIGGER TYRES ---- MUCH SIMPLER ---- IF BOEING HAD ONLY THOUGHT IT OUT ---INSTEAD OF THE OTHER STUPID ALTERNATIVE.
I love your content. It always gives a great Insight on the real story.
It seems Boeing was too protective of their profit, cutting costs in the area of quality assurance -- the result now is a much bigger financial loss for them -- canceled orders and lost potential sales, not just for 737 Max 8 but for anything coming out of Boeing now. What cost-cutting measures have they been doing on their other products? 338 lives are forever lost that left thousands of grieving family members. No money can return their lives.
Lots of armchair pilots in the comment section today..
I JUST blew through this vidio,!! did they mention that one day B-4 the second crash that another plane had the same problem but there was an older off shift pilot on board that told or showed the pilots how to kill the devce that was freaking out and just saved the plane but no one knew about it in time,or told anyone B-4 the next crash??
This plane has a serious design flaw, I am a frequent flyer, logging an average between 300 and 500 hours per year. I can tell you that myself and other executives at our company refuse to fly on B787 Max, not today, not ever. After speaking with several aviation experts, some of whom work for Boeing, they say that this plane has a serious design flaw, simply applying software to the computer to correct it doesn't solve anything, software can't fix a design flaw. As long as they keep operating these planes, they'll keep crashing. Stay away from these planes, you'll live longer.
WOW! IM an old guy now!! but I remember way in prehistory when I was 33 instead of 66 that a big co. had to not look bad rather than be safe . and all the companyies said that would never hapen again!!! OH !!the co. was NASA -- THE plane was CHALENGER!!!
May be it's time to slow down!! Why we've to rush so much ?!
So what? In the end of the day Boeing just pays off the lawsuits, nobody go to jail, happy ending. And next day you will be flying around on their airplanes again.
Jail sentences for directors and executives would be the only thing I would accept. Boeing executives need jailing. Fines are not acceptable.
Boeing is a terrible corporation. They make profit killing people all over the globe, and the parasites don't pay taxes. They should be shut down and the board and management jailed.
A great technical mistake hidden by Documentation personnel just so as to BOOST SALES....they should pay for the dear lives lost due to this technical error.
Boeing must take responsibility for this gross negligence and oversight. Why did they not highlight the MCAS during the pilot trainings? The FAA should make them pay dearly. Simply an apology from them will not do.
Design fault leads to creating Software and then again Software is being updated. Will it actually solve the purpose? Because the design is still the same which can again cause problem. What if the software stops working the next time which was supposed to stop the stall?? I don't think I can ever trust 737 Max again 😔 I hope they test the opposite scenario as well where plane is reaching stall but sensor feeds that plane AOA is fine, then what happens?? 😲 I don't understand why they created a software which points the Nose down so sharp, it can just dive it little below the maximum AOA allowed. MCAS is actually pointing the Nose to zero AOA which is not at all required !!
This is what happens when you put making a profit before making a good product.
Doesn't moving the engines higher make the nose drop?
Why in only two "FOREIGN" countries did they have catastrophic failures .Could there be a joint effort of two nations looking to shake down an American company?
Are the humans an experimental tool for this co. ?
First question to asak before you fly is, 'is the aircraft a 737 Max.' If the answer is 'yes' then cancel flight and book a flight on a safer aircraft.
Shallow modern journalism appealing to an audience that wants simple, shallow, explanations. 302 crashed because an angle-of-attack sensor failed, caused MCAS to act based on the failed sensor data, the pilots developed tunnel vision due to the shock of the situation and did not monitor their airspeed, the pilots disabled MCAS, failed to manually trim the aircraft due to their over speed condition, and then re-enabled MCAS in violation of the documented procedures and emergency quick reference card,, causing the MCAS to come back online in a way never designed for, causing the aircraft to dive into the ground.
The problem is when a company can do its own auditing to give to the FAA, corporate greed at its finest.
It's a crime to not say pilots about new system installation!
Basically it is a poor engineering issue but they are somehow blaming Airbus because of being in competition with Boeing(?). Typical American mind, hard to understand.
So much for boeing and FAA integrity. Had boeing not so arrogant and quickly blamed Lion Air for the first crash, the second one might be avoided.
WHY NO FAMILIES OF DEAD PASSENGERS SUED BOEING BY NOW ?????
another low quality plane from US. boeing=chinese product.
Thank you. Information we would not have heard on TV!
Wait for the official report to really know what happened.
It looks like free market is not perfect.
737 MAX is finished because of a management screw-up. Sad that so many people had to die.
1:33...a little additional training. 3:47....2 hours iPad training course. 3:58 several pilots reported "the plane suddenly nosing down". These are few information we got from this video. I saw many aircraft accident video, what i got from those video is, 3 minutes too late to fix the mistake = fatal accident ( CMIAW ). From 3:58 fact, those pilot escaped from fatal accident. In Lion Air case..they didnt. What i really want to know is. Is the problem happened to fact 3:58 is exactly the same with Lion Air case or at least, both of case got same "initial problem"? My second question is based on 1:33 and 3:47 facts, is a more comprehensive training manual cost real higher money? Thx for reading my question.
Because of them, two parents lost their ONLY child. I can't believe after all those incidents, pilots around the world, were still not aware of the system.
A day or two after the crash, radio guy Rush Limbaugh speculated the situation as a software problem due in great part to Boeing adapting their plane to compete with the Airbus that totally altered centers of gravity and handling characteristics.
Wow! Now it's clear that Boeing is like really going after income, not safety. They did just to compete with Airbus.
Everything would have been different had those lost lives been all American! I really would have loved to see how that would have changed the narrative of the media and the public outcry for legal action. Peace to all the lost soules.
I hope boeing are put out of business for fraud and murder! Absolutely disgusting behaviour!
What a simplistic summation of the situation. Bravo for giving just enough information to make people pick single side. Hind sight is always so clear. They didn’t rush anything. They simply didn’t anticipate this specific scenario. As machines get more complicated get ready for more of that. Also failed to mention that Boing spent tons of time and money on MCAS to prevent tragedies, as a stall would lead to a crash on take off. And they didn’t want any accidents as that would lead to bad reputation. And how about the fact that some airlines choose not to purchase additional indicators that signaled a sensor malfunction that would indicate a need to disable MCAS. Or how about the fact that Lion Air had poor maintenance and replaced a the airspeed sensor with a faulty one right before the crash?