From ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de  Tue Jul 11 14:08:48 2017
From: ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de (Uwe Ligges)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 14:08:48 +0200
Subject: [Rd] write.csv
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This is a bit difficult:

R binaries (both for R base and R packages) are still built with Windows 
Server 2008 and my desktop machine is Windows 7, hence at least 
currently such a check would not get executed on the machines R core / 
CRAN use ...

Best,
Uwe

On 11.07.2017 00:59, Nathan Sosnovske via R-devel wrote:
> As a follow up to this, Martin Maechler suggested that I write a small script that allows this to be tested on Windows from R. The attached script demonstrates creating and mounting a very small (4 MiB) VHD to a path on the system (in this case c:/smallmount) and then calling write.csv with a large dataframe to the newly mounted path.
> 
> The method I attached has two limitations.
> 
> 1) It will only work if run as administrator. This is a limitation of the OS.
> 2) It will only work on Windows 8.1/Server 2012R2 or higher, as it uses powershell commands that only exist on those operating systems. I believe it could be made to work on Windows 7, but it would need to be written using the windows C apis at that point.
> 
> If a regression test is created for this issue I would be more than happy to integrate this method into that if there is interest and if it would work in the environment where automated builds/tests for windows are run.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Sosnovske
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:02 AM
> To: 'Duncan Murdoch' <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>; Jim Hester <james.f.hester at gmail.com>
> Cc: r-devel at r-project.org; Lipatz Jean-Luc <jean-luc.lipatz at insee.fr>
> Subject: RE: [Rd] write.csv
> 
> The best way to test on Windows would probably be creating a small virtual hard disk (via CreateVirtualDisk), mounting it, and writing to the mounted location. I believe the drive could even be mounted to an arbitrary location on the filesystem (instead of a drive letter) so that drive letter conflicts don't come into play.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R-devel [mailto:r-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Duncan Murdoch
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:53 AM
> To: Jim Hester <james.f.hester at gmail.com>
> Cc: r-devel at r-project.org; Lipatz Jean-Luc <jean-luc.lipatz at insee.fr>
> Subject: Re: [Rd] write.csv
> 
> On 04/07/2017 10:01 AM, Jim Hester wrote:
>> On linux at least you can use `/dev/full` [1] to test writing to a full device.
>>
>>      > echo 'foo' > /dev/full
>>      bash: echo: write error: No space left on device
> 
> Unfortunately, I get a permission denied error if I try to write there from MacOS.  I don't know if Windows has an equivalent.
> 
> I've taken a look at the code.  Essentially it comes down to a call to the C function vfprintf, which is supposed to return the number of bytes written, or a negative value for an error. This return value is often not checked; in particular, write.table and friends don't check it.
> 
> I'll add code to signal an error if there's a negative value.
> 
> I don't think it's feasible to check the number of bytes (formatted text with possible translation to a different encoding could have any number of bytes) if it's positive.  So hopefully all of our file systems will correctly signal an error, and not just report how many bytes were successfully written.
> 
>>
>> Although that won't be a perfect test for this case where part of the
>> file is written successfully.
>>
>> An alternative suggestion for testing this is to create and mount a
>> loop device [2] with a small file.
>>
>> [1]:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wi
>> kipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%2Fdev%2Ffull&data=02%7C01%7Cnsosnov%40microsoft.
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>> 5jHmnFYbk7zQ%3D&reserved=0
>> [2]:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstack
>> overflow.com%2Fa%2F16044420%2F2055486&data=02%7C01%7Cnsosnov%40microso
>> ft.com%7Cb97a7371538b4dbe9a7308d4c2ec5aa0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
>> 11db47%7C1%7C0%7C636347767773809248&sdata=%2BWPfqD0nUS%2F30DUNDqQU79lR
>> EJh02ZX0yik9HXiY5kg%3D&reserved=0
> 
> Loop devices sound ideal, but seem to be Linux-only (at least with that recipe).
> 
> Duncan
> 
> 
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 04/07/2017 8:40 AM, Lipatz Jean-Luc wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would really like the bug fixed. At least this one, because I know
>>>> people in my institute using this function.
>>>> I understand your arguments about open source, but I also saw in
>>>> this mail list a proposal for a fix for this bug for which there
>>>> were no answer from the people who are able to include it in the
>>>> distribution. It looks like if there were interesting bugs and the other ones.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please post a link to that, and I'll look.  Bug reports should be
>>> posted to the bug list.  It's unfortunate that it is currently so
>>> difficult to do so, but if they are only posted here, they are often overlooked.
>>>
>>>> I don't understand the other arguments : the example was reproduced
>>>> with a simple USB key and you cannot state that a disk will
>>>> eternally be empty enough, specially when it has several users.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not denying that it's a bug, I'm just saying that it is a
>>> difficult one to test automatically (so we probably won't add a
>>> regression test once it's fixed), and it's not one that has been
>>> reported often.  I didn't know there were any reports before yours.
>>>
>>> Duncan Murdoch
>>>
>>>
>>>> JLL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Duncan Murdoch [mailto:murdoch.duncan at gmail.com] Envoy? : mardi
>>>> 4 juillet 2017 14:24 ? : Lipatz Jean-Luc; r-devel at r-project.org
>>>> Objet : Re: [Rd] write.csv
>>>>
>>>> On 04/07/2017 5:40 AM, Lipatz Jean-Luc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am currently studying how to generalize the usage of R in my
>>>>> statistical institute and I encountered a problem that I cannot
>>>>> declare on bugzilla (cannot understand why).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bugzilla was badly abused by spammers last year, so you need to have
>>>> your account created manually by one of the admins to post there.
>>>> Write to me privately if you'd like me to create an account for you.
>>>> (If you want it attached to a different email address, that's fine.)
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for trying this mailing list but I am really worried about the
>>>> problem itself and the possible implications in using R in a
>>>> professionnal data production context.
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue about 'write.csv' is that it just doesn't check if there
>>>>> is enough space on disk and doesn't report failure to write data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Example (R 3.4.0 windows 32 bits, but I reproduced the problem with
>>>>> older versions and under Mac OS/X)
>>>>>
>>>>>> fwrite(as.list(1:1000000),"G:/Test")
>>>>>
>>>>> Error in fwrite(as.list(1:1e+06), "G:/Test") :
>>>>>    No space left on device: 'G:/Test'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> write.csv(1:1000000,"G:/Test")
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a big concern here, because it means that you could save
>>>>> some important data at one point of time and discover a long time
>>>>> after that you actually lost them.
>>>>
>>>>   > I suppose that the fix is relatively straightforward, but how can
>>>> we be sure that there is no another function with the same bad properties?
>>>>
>>>> R is open source.  You could work out the patch for this bug, and in
>>>> the process see the pattern of coding that leads to it.  Then you'll
>>>> know if other functions use the same buggy pattern.
>>>>
>>>>> Is the lesson that you should not use a R function, even from the
>>>>> core, without having personnally tested it against extreme conditions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think the answer to that is yes.  Most people never write such big
>>>> files that they fill their disk:  if they did, all sorts of things
>>>> would go wrong on their systems.  So this kind of extreme condition
>>>> isn't often tested.  It's not easy to test in a platform independent
>>>> way:  R would need to be able to create a volume with a small
>>>> capacity.  That's a very system-dependent thing to do.
>>>>
>>>>> And wouldn't it be the work of the developpers to do such
>>>>> elementary tests?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, R is open source.  You can and should contribute code (and
>>>> therefore become one of the developers) if you are working in
>>>> unusual conditions.
>>>>
>>>> R states quite clearly in the welcome message every time it starts:
>>>> "R is free software and comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY."  This is
>>>> essentially the same lack of warranty that you get with commercial
>>>> software, though it's stated a lot more clearly.
>>>>
>>>> Duncan Murdoch
>>>>
>>>
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[Rd] write.csv
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