From simon.urbanek at r-project.org  Fri Feb 15 20:03:46 2013
From: simon.urbanek at r-project.org (Simon Urbanek)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:03:46 -0500
Subject: [Rd] Matrix does not build with R trunk since Oct.
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Hin-Tak Leung wrote:

> Look. I don't see this as "my" problem - as far as I am concerned, I have donated my time - and over and over - to testing pre-released code. I am not using pre-released code for production work. If the released code in 3.0 does not work correctly in 6 weeks' time, I just don't upgrade. No loss for me there.
> 

It works - confirmed by several people. You have a problem, but you didn't tell us the specifics of the problem so there's nothing we can do.


> I don't know why it is degenerating into another distraction about some people's egos.
> 

I don't either - it's not productive.

Cheers,
Simon


> --- On Fri, 15/2/13, Simon Urbanek <simon.urbanek at r-project.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Hin-Tak
>> Leung wrote:
>> 
>>> --- On Fri, 15/2/13, Simon Urbanek <simon.urbanek at r-project.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Hin-Tak
>>>> Leung wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Somebody else had written separately about this
>> before,
>>>> and so have I a couple of months ago. I assumed
>> this will be
>>>> fixed before the next R. Since R 3.0 is supposedly
>> only 6
>>>> weeks away, even if it is fixed now it doesn't
>> leave much
>>>> room for testing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway neither Matrix 1.0-11 (current) nor
>> 1.0-9 (sept
>>>> 2012) build with current R trunk.  The 
>> last time
>>>> it did was 1. 0-9 on 3rd october over 4 months ago.
>> So it
>>>> appears to be due to change inside r trunk in sept
>> or early
>>>> oct. 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No problem here - Matrix 1.0-11 and R-devel build
>> just fine
>>>> with your flags (tested on Ubuntu 12.10, x86_64).
>>>> 
>>>> If in doubt, please remove R-devel and checkout a
>> fresh
>>>> copy. Also FWIW it's a bad practice to build inside
>> the
>>>> sources - it often causes all sorts of problems
>> when you try
>>>> to track the sources and stale files are probably
>> what's
>>>> hitting you.
>>>> 
>>>> FWIW: This is likely not the problem you're
>> mentioning, but
>>>> some recent gcc versions break and LTO is also
>> known to
>>>> cause issues depending on the compiler version, so
>> tread
>>>> lightly on the cutting edge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here is a fairly similar post:
>>> http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Build-from-Source-fails-on-Loading-required-package-Matrix-td4640371.html
>>> 
>>> The eventual "solution" of that thread seems to be
>> building from tar ball, which is quite beside the whole
>> point of building from svn trunk.
>>> 
>> 
>> And how is that relevant to what I said? Did you follow the
>> advice I sent? If you did and still have an issue, post
>> *exact* details on what you did, what system and tools you
>> are using. 
>> 
>> 
>>> FWIW, it is very unproductive to talk about "bad
>> practice" - in a hand-waving undocumented/unsubstantiated
>> manner
>> 
>> Building in sources has two problems: a) the content of the
>> source tree can change so subsequent builds can be different
>> from the clean one - you cannot undo that and b) if you
>> update the sources stale files from previous builds can
>> break the build. 
>> 
>> If solving your problems is "unproductive" then I'm not
>> surprised you have them for 4 moths now.
>> 
>> 
>>> - and options that might or might not work. If
>> "--enable-lto" (or any other options, or build within the
>> dev directory) does not work reliably, it should be either
>> disabled/removed, or documented, or both.
>> 
>> R cannot test all aspects of a compiler and detect all its
>> bugs. It is *your* responsibility to provide a working
>> compiler - if you are unwilling to do that, R cannot do
>> anything about that.
>> 
>> 
>>> Anyway, it has not been working for over 4 months.
>>> 
>> 
>> That is not true, obviously, and I have presented a
>> counter-example. It may not have been working for *you* and
>> it's likely a problem in your setup (given your lack of
>> cooperation there is no way to tell for sure). We cannot
>> prevent user errors. We can try to point people in the right
>> direction, but if they refuse to listen it's on their head.
>> 
>> 
>>> You have about 6 weeks before this becomes a big
>> problem - "big" as in "wide-spread".
>>> 
>> 
>> You are yet to show that this is a problem in R at all. You
>> failed to follow the basic instructions in the FAQ.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Simon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>> Loading required package: Matrix
>>>>> Error in namespaceExport(ns, exports) :
>> undefined
>>>> exports: .M.classEnv
>>>>> Error : require(Matrix) is not TRUE
>>>>> ERROR: installing package indices failed
>>>>> * removing ?/svn-loc/R/library/Matrix?
>>>>> * restoring previous
>> ?/svn-loc/R/library/Matrix?
>>>>> make[2]: *** [Matrix.ts] Error 1
>>>>> make[2]: Leaving directory
>>>> `/svn-loc/R/src/library/Recommended'
>>>>> make[1]: *** [recommended-packages] Error 2
>>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory
>>>> `/svn-loc/R/src/library/Recommended'
>>>>> make: *** [stamp-recommended] Error 2
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> If it matters, here is what r trunk built
>> with:
>>>>> ./configure --enable-memory-profiling
>>>> --enable-strict-barrier
>> --enable-byte-compiled-packages
>>>> --with-valgrind-instrumentation=2 --enable-lto
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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[Rd] Matrix does not build with R trunk since Oct.
Simon Urbanek