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From: @uh@rto_@nggono @end|ng |rom y@hoo@com (Suharto Anggono Suharto Anggono)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 08:07:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rd] gettext(msgid, domain="R") doesn't work for some 'msgid':s
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This issue has come up before: https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2013-February/346721.html ("gettext wierdness"), https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2007-December/047893.html ("gettext() and messages in 'pkg' domain").

Using 'ngettext' is a workaround, like in https://rdrr.io/cran/svMisc/src/R/svMisc-internal.R .

It is documented: "For 'gettext', leading and trailing whitespace is ignored when looking for the translation."

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>> Martin Maechler
>>>>> on Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:55:24 +0100 writes:

>>>>> Tomas Kalibera
>>>>> on Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:15:19 +0100 writes:

 >> On 11/5/21 4:12 PM, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
 >>> On 05/11/2021 10:51 a.m., Henrik Bengtsson wrote:
 >>>> I'm trying to reuse some of the translations available in base R by
 >>>> using:
 >>>>
 >>>> ?? gettext(msgid, domain="R")
 >>>>
 >>>> This works great for most 'msgid's, e.g.
 >>>>
 >>>> $ LANGUAGE=de Rscript -e 'gettext("cannot get working directory",
 >>>> domain="R")'
 >>>> [1] "kann das Arbeitsverzeichnis nicht ermitteln"
 >>>>
 >>>> However, it does not work for all.? For instance,
 >>>>
 >>>> $ LANGUAGE=de Rscript -e 'gettext("Execution halted\n", domain="R")'
 >>>> [1] "Execution halted\n"
 >>>>
 >>>> This despite that 'msgid' existing in:
 >>>>
 >>>> $ grep -C 2 -F 'Execution halted\n' src/library/base/po/de.po
 >>>>
 >>>> #: src/main/main.c:342
 >>>> msgid "Execution halted\n"
 >>>> msgstr "Ausf?hrung angehalten\n"
 >>>>
 >>>> It could be that the trailing newline causes problems, because the
 >>>> same happens also for:
 >>>>
 >>>> $ LANGUAGE=de Rscript --vanilla -e 'gettext("error during cleanup\n",
 >>>> domain="R")'
 >>>> [1] "error during cleanup\n"
 >>>>
 >>>> Is this meant to work, and if so, how do I get it to work, or is it a
 >>>> bug?
 >>>
 >>> I don't know the solution, but I think the cause is different than you
 >>> think, because I also have the problem with other strings not
 >>> including "\n":
 >>>
 >>> $ LANGUAGE=de Rscript -e 'gettext("malformed version string",
 >>> domain="R")'
 >>> [1] "malformed version string"

 > You need domain="R-base" for the "malformed version "string"


 >> I can reproduce Henrik's report and the problem there is that the
 >> trailing \n is stripped by R before doing the lookup, in do_gettext


 >> ??????????? /* strip leading and trailing white spaces and
 >> ?????????????? add back after translation */
 >> ??????????? for(p = tmp;
 >> ??????????????? *p && (*p == ' ' || *p == '\t' || *p == '\n');
 >> ??????????????? p++, ihead++) ;

 >> But, calling dgettext with the trailing \n does translate correctly for me.

 >> I'd leave to translation experts how this should work (e.g. whether the
 >> .po files should have trailing newlines).

 > Thanks a lot, Tomas.
 > This is "interesting" .. and I think an R bug one way or the
 > other (and I also note that Henrik's guess was also right on !).

 > We have the following:

 > - New translation *.po source files are to be made from the original *.pot files.

 > In our case it's our code that produce R.pot and R-base.pot
 > (and more for the non-base packages, and more e.g. for
 > Recommended packages 'Matrix' and 'cluster' I maintain).

 > And notably the R.pot (from all the "base" C error/warn/.. messages)
 > contains tons of msgid strings of the form ".......\n"
 > i.e., ending in \n.
 >> From that automatically the translator's *.po files should also
 > end in \n.

 > Additionally, the GNU gettext FAQ has
 > (here : https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/FAQ.html#newline )

 > ------------------------------------------------
 > Q: What does this mean: ?'msgid' and 'msgstr' entries do not both end with '\n'?

 > A: It means that when the original string ends in a newline, your translation must also end in a newline. And if the original string does not end in a newline, then your translation should likewise not have a newline at the end.
 > ------------------------------------------------

 >> From all that I'd conclude that we (R base code) are the source
 > of the problem.
 > Given the above FAQ, it seems common in other projects also to
 > have such trailing \n and so we should really change the C code
 > you cite above.

 > On the other hand, this is from almost the very beginning of
 > when Brian added translation to R,
 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > r32938 | ripley | 2005-01-30 20:24:04 +0100 (Sun, 30 Jan 2005) | 2 lines

 > include \n in whitespace ignored for R-level gettext
 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 > I think this has been because simultaneously we had started to
 > emphasize to useRs they should *not* end message/format strings
 > in stop() / warning() by a new line, but rather stop() and
 > warning() would *add* the newlines(s) themselves.

 > Still, currently we have a few such cases in R-base.pot,
 > but just these few and maybe they really are "in error", in the
 > sense we could drop the ending '\n' (and do the same in all the *.po files!),
 > and newlines would be appended later {{not just by Rstudio which
 > graceously adds final newlines in its R console, even for say
 > cat("abc") }}

 > However, this is quite different for all the message strings from C, as
 > used there in error() or warn() e.g., and so in R.pot
 > we see many many msg strings ending in "\n" (which must then
 > also be in the *.po files.

 > My current conclusion is we should try simplifying the
 > do_gettext() code and *not* remove and re-add the '\n' (nor the
 > '\t' I think ...)

After such a change, I indeed do see

$ LANGUAGE=de bin/Rscript --vanilla -e 'gettext("Execution halted\n", domain="R")'
[1] "Ausf?hrung angehalten\n"
$ LANGUAGE=de bin/Rscript --vanilla -e 'message("Execution halted\n", domain="R")'
Ausf?hrung angehalten

$ LANGUAGE=de bin/Rscript --vanilla -e 'warning("Execution halted\n", domain="R")'
Warnmeldung:
Ausf?hrung angehalten

$

(note the extra newline after the German translation!)
whereas before, not only using gettext() directly did not work,
but also using warning() or message() {with or without trailing \n}
were never translated.



... and my simple #ifdef .. #endif change around the head/tail
save and restor seems to pass make check-devel ...

so I will be looking into dropping all those "head" and "tail" add
and remove parts in do_gettext() as they really seem to harm given the current
translation data bases which indeed *are* full of final '\n' in
`msgid` and corresponding translated `msgstr` ....

So, no need for a bugzilla PR nor a patch, please.
Maybe further examples which add something interesting in
addition to the ones we have here.

Thank you again, Henrik, Duncan, and Tomas!


Martin



[Rd] gettext(msgid, domain="R") doesn't work for some 'msgid':s
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