From maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch  Sat Apr  5 18:47:01 2008
From: maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch (Martin Maechler)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:47:01 +0200
Subject: [Rd] X11 image problem in R-2.8.0 Under development / R-2.7
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>>>>> "BDR" == Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk>
>>>>>     on Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:27:52 +0100 (BST) writes:

    BDR> On Sat, 5 Apr 2008, Martin Morgan wrote:
    >> Yes, thank you, this fixes the problem for me.
    >> 
    >> As a follow-up, and again with my ignorance of where
    >> processing is actually occuring, it seems like the X11
    >> window content is drawn directly rather than being drawn
    >> to a buffer and then blit on to the screen -- the
    >> original appearance of the plot is slow, compared to,
    >> e.g., hiding and then revealing the image once it has
    >> been plotted.

    BDR> That is not so for the default type="cairo".  The
    BDR> problem is likely to be that the bitblt is across the
    BDR> network, whereas repaint is a bitblt from a local copy.

    BDR> There are some comments on the X11() help page -- you
    BDR> may want to try type = "nbcairo".  Some changes are
    BDR> planned for R 2.8.0 which will improve performance, but
    BDR> for now things are tuned for the most common case of a
    BDR> local X11 display (although type = "nbcairo" works
    BDR> quite well over my home wireless network).

Sorry to chime in;  I had wanted to bring this to Brian's
attention a few days ago, but always got side-tracked:

Here are results on my  IBM/Lenowo X41 notebook 
model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.50GHz
cpu MHz		: 600.000
bogomips	: 1198.37
MemTotal:      1546600 kB

with *no* graphics acceleration:
Everything is local but not really fast hardware

 > F <- ecdf(rnorm(10000))
 > system.time(plot(F))
    user  system elapsed 
   3.204   0.024   3.402 
 > x11(type="Xlib")
 > system.time(plot(F))
    user  system elapsed 
   0.068   0.000   0.354 
 > 

which is somewhat dramatic,
and for tk*() pseudo-animations, I have definitely needed to use
type = "Xlib"

Martin


    >> R version 2.8.0 Under development (unstable) (2008-04-05
    >> r45102)
    >> 
    >> Thank you again for tracking down the original issue.
    >> 
    >> Martin
    >> 
    >> Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> writes:
    >> 
    >>> I think I have found this -- if so, it was an X11 timing
    >>> issue and we needed to re-read the X11 window size at a
    >>> later time.  Please try r45102 or later.
    >>> 
    >>> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
    >>> 
    >>>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Martin Morgan wrote:
    >>>> 
    >>>>> I apologize if this is too obscure to reproduce, or
    >>>>> some idiosyncratic aspects of my system. If I create a
    >>>>> plot, e.g.,
>>>>> plot(1:10) I get a graphics device as expected. I then
    >>>>> click on the 'zoom' box on my X11 window, so the
    >>>>> window expands to occupy the entire screen. The plot
    >>>>> is redrawn at the scale of the large window, but is
    >>>>> clipped to the 'unzoomed' size. I only see the top
    >>>>> left portion of the plot, occupying the space of the
    >>>>> original image.  Here are the R essentials; I'm using
    >>>>> X11 on a recent SuSE, connecting via a moderately
    >>>>> out-of-date cygwin from Windows. I'm happy to provide
    >>>>> more detail if pointed in the right direction (and
    >>>>> will trouble shoot myself if this is not a general
    >>>>> problem).
    >>>> 
    >>>> We've seen it, but not all systems do it.  At present
    >>>> it looks like a cairo bug, but more work is needed on
    >>>> it.  If we haven't found a workaround by release time,
    >>>> it will be documented on the help page.
    >>>> 
>>>>> sessionInfo()
    >>>>> R version 2.8.0 Under development (unstable)
    >>>>> (2008-04-03 r45066) x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu locale:
    >>>>> LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8;LC_NUMERIC=C;LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8;LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8;LC_MONETARY=C;LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8;LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8;LC_NAME=C;LC_ADDRESS=C;LC_TELEPHONE=C;LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8;LC_IDENTIFICATION=C
    >>>>> attached base packages: [1] stats graphics grDevices
    >>>>> utils datasets methods base
>>>>> capabilities() jpeg png tcltk X11 aqua http/ftp sockets
    >>>>> libxml TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE FALSE TRUE TRUE TRUE fifo
    >>>>> cledit iconv NLS profmem cairo TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE
    >>>>> TRUE TRUE Martin
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Martin Morgan Computational Biology / Fred Hutchinson
    >>>>> Cancer Research Center 1100 Fairview Ave. N.  PO Box
    >>>>> 19024 Seattle, WA 98109 Location: Arnold Building M2
    >>>>> B169 Phone: (206) 667-2793
    >>>>> ______________________________________________
    >>>>> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
    >>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
    >>>>> 
    >>>> 
>>> --
>>> Brian D. Ripley, ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied
    >>>> Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
    >>>> University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1
    >>>> South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) Oxford OX1 3TG,
    >>>> UK Fax: +44 1865 272595
    >>>> 
    >>> 
>> --
>> Brian D. Ripley, ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied
    >>> Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
    >>> University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1
    >>> South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) Oxford OX1 3TG,
    >>> UK Fax: +44 1865 272595
    >> 
    >> --
    >> Martin Morgan Computational Biology / Fred Hutchinson
    >> Cancer Research Center 1100 Fairview Ave. N.  PO Box
    >> 19024 Seattle, WA 98109
    >> 
    >> Location: Arnold Building M2 B169 Phone: (206) 667-2793
    >> 

-- 
Brian D. Ripley,                  ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk
    BDR> Professor of Applied Statistics,
    BDR> http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of
    BDR> Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road,
    BDR> +44 1865 272866 (PA) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865
    BDR> 272595

    BDR> ______________________________________________
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[Rd] X11 image problem in R-2.8.0 Under development / R-2.7
Martin Maechler