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From: @vr@h@m@@d|er @end|ng |rom gm@||@com (Avraham Adler)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 16:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Rd] string concatenation operator (revisited)
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Gabe, I agree that missingness is important to factor in. To somewhat abuse
the terminology, NA is often used to represent missingness. Perhaps
concatenating character something with character something missing should
result in the original character?

Avi

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 3:35 PM Gabriel Becker <gabembecker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Seeing this and the other thread (and admittedly not having clicked through
> to the linked r-help thread), I wonder about NAs.
>
> Should NA <concat> "hi there"  not result in NA_character_? This is not
> what any of the paste functions do, but in my opinoin, NA + <non_na_value>
> seems like it should be NA  (not "NA"), particularly if we are talking
> about `+` overloading, but potentially even in the case of a distinct
> concatenation operator?
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that in my head missingness propagation rules
> should take priority in such an operator (ie NA + <anything> should
> *always * be NA).
>
> Is that something others disagree with, or has it just not come up yet in
> (the parts I have read) of this discussion?
>
> Best,
> ~G
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Radford Neal <radford at cs.toronto.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > > > In pqR (see pqR-project.org), I have implemented ! and !! as binary
> > > > string concatenation operators, equivalent to paste0 and paste,
> > > > respectively.
> > > >
> > > > For instance,
> > > >
> > > >      > "hello" ! "world"
> > > >      [1] "helloworld"
> > > >      > "hello" !! "world"
> > > >      [1] "hello world"
> > > >      > "hello" !! 1:4
> > > >      [1] "hello 1" "hello 2" "hello 3" "hello 4"
> > >
> > > I'm curious about the details:
> > >
> > > Would `1 ! 2` convert both to strings?
> >
> > They're equivalent to paste0 and paste, so 1 ! 2 produces "12", just
> > like paste0(1,2) does.  Of course, they wouldn't have to be exactly
> > equivalent to paste0 and paste - one could impose stricter
> > requirements if that seemed better for error detection.  Off hand,
> > though, I think automatically converting is more in keeping with the
> > rest of R.  Explicitly converting with as.character could be tedious.
> >
> > I suppose disallowing logical arguments might make sense to guard
> > against typos where ! was meant to be the unary-not operator, but
> > ended up being a binary operator, after some sort of typo.  I doubt
> > that this would be a common error, though.
> >
> > (Note that there's no ambiguity when there are no typos, except that
> > when negation is involved a space may be needed - so, for example,
> > "x" !  !TRUE is "xFALSE", but "x"!!TRUE is "x TRUE".  Existing uses of
> > double negation are still fine - eg, a <- !!TRUE still sets a to TRUE.
> > Parsing of operators is greedy, so "x"!!!TRUE is "x FALSE", not "xTRUE".)
> >
> > > Where does the binary ! fit in the operator priority?  E.g. how is
> > >
> > >   a ! b > c
> > >
> > > parsed?
> >
> > As (a ! b) > c.
> >
> > Their precedence is between that of + and - and that of < and >.
> > So "x" ! 1+2 evalates to "x3" and "x" ! 1+2 < "x4" is TRUE.
> >
> > (Actually, pqR also has a .. operator that fixes the problems with
> > generating sequences with the : operator, and it has precedence lower
> > than + and - and higher than ! and !!, but that's not relevant if you
> > don't have the .. operator.)
> >
> >    Radford Neal
> >
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[Rd] string concatenation operator (revisited)
Avraham Adler