From jago at mclink.it  Tue Jun 17 18:55:35 2003
From: jago at mclink.it (Stefano Iacus)
Date: Tue Jun 17 17:55:50 2003
Subject: [Rd] Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R version on gifi
In-Reply-To: <BCB2F722-A0DA-11D7-B39E-000393816814@math.uni-augsburg.de>
Message-ID: <2247E320-A0DC-11D7-BCF0-003065CC4CB8@mclink.it>


On Marted?, giu 17, 2003, at 17:45 Europe/Rome, Simon Urbanek wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 05:11  PM, Don MacQueen wrote:
>
>>> The really native version doesn't really need to depend on X11 
>>> anymore since the use of X11 on Mac OS X was meant for applications 
>>> that are not properly ported to OS X yet. Once Quartz and RAqua are 
>>> complete there is no need for X11.
>>
>> Except for one major flaw in Aqua--the absence of "focus follows 
>> mouse", as it is sometimes called in an X
> Yes, this is indeed a very nice feature (I've been using it on unix 
> all time), but it can be disastrous at the same time. MS Windows has 
> an undocumented registry key which allows you to enable this, but once 
> you do that you'll realize that a lot of applications assume 
> 'topmost-has-focus' state and are almost unusable if the 
> 'focus-follows-mouse' is enabled (example: if you have a mouse over a 
> toolbar your document window is inactive - most applications can't 
> deal with that). I'm not sure about this in OS X (since we can't 
> really test it ;P), but something similar might happen.
>
>> Jan cited "Gerben Wierda's i-installer" as a source for jpeg, png, 
>> and teTex. This source is somehow more "official" than fink? But, 
>> considering what Jan says, i.e. "everything needed in /usr/local 
>> will" be included with the installer package, it doesn't matter to 
>> the end user.
> Exactly, that's the point :) We don't want to assume things that are 
> non-standard. We should provide them if necessary.
>



> There is still one issue to consider in this context: source packages. 
> A really 'plain' Mac OS X can't be used to install source packages 
> as-is, basically because there are three missing things: Dev Tools, 
> g77 and latex. The first one is official, so we could require that 
> (and probably have to). G77 is really just a few files, so the 
> installer could add it if necessary, but I'm not sure about latex. Is 
> building packages w/o latex documentation an option? The direct use of 
> source packages seems to me as the greatest benefit of OSX being 
> unix-based, therefore i wouldn't like to miss it, even if I was pure 
> Mac user...

We (R-core) have planned to make an automated procedure in order to 
provide prebuilt packages on CRAN for Darwin, so that 
install.packages() can eventually behave like on Windows (at least for 
RAqua).
Btw, I guess g77 will be included in the next release of DevTools.

stefano


>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
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[Rd] Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R version on gifi
Stefano Iacus