From rossini@blindglobe.net  Wed Nov  1 16:09:59 2000
From: rossini@blindglobe.net (A.J. Rossini)
Date: 01 Nov 2000 08:09:59 -0800
Subject: [Rd] Re: desiderata for data manipulation
In-Reply-To: <200011011601.QAA03969@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk>
 (Prof Brian Ripley's message of "Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:01:36 +0000 (GMT)")
References: <200011011601.QAA03969@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <877l6nu10o.fsf@jeeves.blindglobe.net>

>>>>> "PBR" == Prof Brian Ripley <ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk> writes:

    PBR> Only if someone is interested enough to write them....

Exactly, that's why I said eventually. 

    PBR> Actually, I thought parametric GLMMs were an unsolved
    PBR> research problem in general, even in, say, the logistic case.
    PBR> I know there are suggestions in special cases (and there is a
    PBR> glmm function in one of Jim Lindsey's packages) but all the
    PBR> simple ones can be seriously incorrect AFAIK.

I'll have to follow up on Jim's packages, which have always seemed
daunting, and run some comparisons.

As far as research problems -- yes, how to fit the semiparametric
version of the GLMMs is open, but for a fully parametric version,
there isn't much of an issue.

You are right that interpretation is severely problematic and needs
to be handled with care (Thomas has a nice presentation on that) but
they can be useful tools during data analysis.

Okay, maybe I should just take off a day or two in the next week and
see if most of Stata can be replaced by R :-), since we've made good
progress on a number of issues I had previously thought were
unresolved...

best,
-tony

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[Rd] Re: desiderata for data manipulation
A.J. Rossini