From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com  Fri Aug 20 20:56:01 2010
From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:56:01 -0700
Subject: [Rd] No RTFM?
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  Hi, Gabor, et al.:


       Can anyone comment on the experience of the Ubuntu Forums and 
LinuxQuestions.org, mentioned in the Wikipedia article I cited?


       Gabor makes an interesting point.  However, logic without data is 
a very poor tool for decision making, because great sounding assumptions 
have often led to conclusions that sound great but are 
counterproductive.  People with experience with the Ubuntu Forums and 
LinuxQuestions.org should be able to provide some insight here.


       Best Wishes,
       Spencer


On 8/20/2010 11:37 AM, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Paul Johnson<pauljohn32 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Spencer Graves
>> <spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com>  wrote:
>>>   What do you think about adding a "No RTFM" policy to the R mailing lists?
>>> Per, "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM":
>>>
>> I think this is a great suggestion.
>>
>> I notice the R mailing list already has a gesture in this direction:
>> "Rudeness and ad hominem comments are not acceptable. Brevity is OK."
>>
>> But the people who behave badly don't care about policies like this
>> and they will keep doing what they do.
> Although it may seem hard to justify rudeness its often the case that
> even the most bizarre behavior makes sense if you view it from the
> perspective of that person.   In the case of the R list there is a
> larger potential demand for free help than resources to answer and
> without the usual monetary economics to allocate resources I believe
> that the functional purpose of rudeness here is to ration those
> resources and minimize duplication of questions.  If that is correct
> one can predict that if civility were to become the norm on this list
> then other rationing mechanisms would arise to replace it.
>
> For example, it might become the norm that most questions are not
> answered or are answered less thoroughly or the list might be replaced
> as the de facto goto medium for R questions by some other list or web
> site so we have to be careful about unintended consequences.
>
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[Rd] No RTFM?
Spencer Graves