From jeffreys at rand.org  Tue Dec 22 20:55:35 2009
From: jeffreys at rand.org (Jeffrey M Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:55:35 -0800
Subject: [Rd] sort yields different results on OS X (PR#14163)
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On Dec 22, 2009, at 4:18 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:

> As the help says
>
>     The sort order for character vectors will depend on the collating
>     sequence of the locale in use: see ?Comparison?.
>
> and that ref says
>
>     Collation of
>     non-letters (spaces, punctuation signs, hyphens, fractions and so
>     on) is even more problematic.
>
> That different OSes use the same name for a locale does not make  
> them the same locale.
>
> Note that R can be compiled to use ICU, which provides a well- 
> considered collation suite.  R on Mac OS X uses ICU, as does a Linux  
> build if it is available -- so I would say that it is RHEL that is  
> out of line here (it makes little sense to have < and > far apart in  
> the collation sequence).
>
> Why did you report a documented difference as a bug?
>

Because it wasn't clear to me from the documentation what sort of  
"problematic" behaviors were covered as documented differences vs  
unexpected behavior. Other OSS projects I have been involved with have  
a "when in doubt, file a bug" policy. If that isn't the case with R, I  
won't do so in the future.

Thank you for the pointer towards ICU. RHEL has some of the ICU  
libraries, but the icuSetCollate function returns a warning that R was  
not built with them. Including a reference to this function in the  
"See Also" for Comparison would make this info a little easier to find.

Thanks for your time,
Jeff

> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, jeffreys at rand.org wrote:
>
>> Full_Name: Jeffrey Sullivan
>> Version: 2.10
>> OS: Mac
>> Submission from: (NULL) (130.154.0.250)
>>
>>
>> Sort produces different results when sorting strings with non- 
>> alphanumeric
>> characters, depending on the operating system:
>>
>> RHEL 5.2, R 2.10.0
>> -------------
>>> v <- c("1","<0",">3","2")
>>> Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE","en_US.UTF-8")
>> [1] "en_US.UTF-8"
>>> sort(v)
>> [1] "<0" "1"  "2"  ">3"
>>
>> Max OS 10.5.8, R 2.10.1
>> -------------------
>>> v <- c("1","<0",">3","2")
>>> Sys.setlocale("LC_COLLATE","en_US.UTF-8")
>> [1] "en_US.UTF-8"
>>> sort(v)
>> [1] "<0" ">3" "1"  "2"
>>
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>
> -- 
> Brian D. Ripley,                  ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk
> Professor of Applied Statistics,  http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
> University of Oxford,             Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
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[Rd] sort yields different results on OS X (PR#14163)
Jeffrey M Sullivan