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From: @|mon@urb@nek @end|ng |rom R-project@org (Simon Urbanek)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:15:53 -0400
Subject: [Rd] Use of C++ in Packages
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Jim,

I think the main point of Tomas' post was to alert R users to the fact that there are very serious issues that you have to understand when interfacing R from C++. Using C++ code from R is fine, in many cases you only want to access R data, use some library or compute in C++ and return results. Such use-cases are completely fine in C++ as they don't need to trigger the issues mentioned and it should be made clear that it was not what Tomas' blog was about.

I agree with Tomas that it is safer to give an advice to not use C++ to call R API since C++ may give a false impression that you don't need to know what you're doing. Note that it is possible to avoid longjmps by using R_ExecWithCleanup() which can catch any longjmps from the called function. So if you know what you're doing you can make things work. I think the issue here is not necessarily lack of tools, it is lack of knowledge - which is why I think Tomas' post is so important.

Cheers,
Simon


> On Mar 29, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Jim Hester <james.f.hester at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> First, thank you to Tomas for writing his recent post[0] on the R
> developer blog. It raised important issues in interfacing R's C API
> and C++ code.
> 
> However I do _not_ think the conclusion reached in the post is helpful
>> don?t use C++ to interface with R
> 
> There are now more than 1,600 packages on CRAN using C++, the time is
> long past when that type of warning is going to be useful to the R
> community.
> 
> These same issues will also occur with any newer language (such as
> Rust or Julia[1]) which uses RAII to manage resources and tries to
> interface with R. It doesn't seem a productive way forward for R to
> say it can't interface with these languages without first doing
> expensive copies into an intermediate heap.
> 
> The advice to avoid C++ is also antithetical to John Chambers vision
> of first S and R as a interface language (from Extending R [2])
> 
>> The *interface* principle has always been central to R and to S
> before. An interface to subroutines was _the_ way to extend the first
> version of S. Subroutine interfaces have continued to be central to R.
> 
> The book also has extensive sections on both C++ (via Rcpp) and Julia,
> so clearly John thinks these are legitimate ways to extend R.
> 
> So if 'don't use C++' is not realistic and the current R API does not
> allow safe use of C++ exceptions what are the alternatives?
> 
> One thing we could do is look how this is handled in other languages
> written in C which also use longjmp for errors.
> 
> Lua is one example, they provide an alternative interface;
> lua_pcall[3] and lua_cpcall[4] which wrap a normal lua call and return
> an error code rather long jumping. These interfaces can then be safely
> wrapped by RAII - exception based languages.
> 
> This alternative error code interface is not just useful for C++, but
> also for resource cleanup in C, it is currently non-trivial to handle
> cleanup in all the possible cases a longjmp can occur (interrupts,
> warnings, custom conditions, timeouts any allocation etc.) even with R
> finalizers.
> 
> It is past time for R to consider a non-jumpy C interface, so it can
> continue to be used as an effective interface to programming routines
> in the years to come.
> 
> [0]: https://developer.r-project.org/Blog/public/2019/03/28/use-of-c---in-packages/
> [1]: https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/28606
> [2]: https://doi.org/10.1201/9781315381305
> [3]: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#lua_pcall
> [4]: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#lua_cpcall
> 
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[Rd] Use of C++ in Packages
Simon Urbanek