From duncan at wald.ucdavis.edu  Sat Apr 19 19:44:06 2008
From: duncan at wald.ucdavis.edu (Duncan Temple Lang)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:44:06 +1200
Subject: [Rd] swig 1.3.35 & R - is the R wrapper still maintained and
 of	interest?
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Hi Michael and Soeren

~  I've waited to see if there would be posts from others, but am
a little surprised to see only your two.  It would seem people aren't
using SWIG for R and I wonder why this community hasn't used or wanted
such tools?  Do we not have a need for them, or are we not aware of them, ...?
or

~  So what to do?  Firstly, I don't get that crash on load on my Linux
box.  So we would have to investigate further, but at least it does work
somewhere.  And such extreme failures are actually less worrying than the
potential lack of functionality in the bindings.

~  Soeren has already been in touch with me and indeed the
code in the SWIG distribution comes origially from the RSWIG source on the
omegahat repository. Unfortunately, the person who took that code
and put into the SWIG distribution did by himself and didn't seem
to want to work together to improve it add get it beyond the experimental state
it was in.  Futher, he apparently listed me as the contributor,
but haven't communicated at all with the SWIG developers and so I do not have
access to the SWIG repository and cannot change the code.
So we have a little bit of a problem that might have been better dealt with if
code had continued to be developed outside of SWIG by the R community.


~ If there is nobody interested in using SWIG in R, then there is little point
in fixing it.  I have been working on an alternative way to generate bindings using
output from GCC (gcc & g++) and exploring how the bindings should work
generally.  Most of the ideas I think would be able to go back into SWIG
and that _might_ be an easier tool for people to use who don't want more control
over the code generation or to do analysis on the code itself.
But if nobody other than the two of us is interested in using a general interface code
generation mechanism, then perhaps we shouldn't waste too much time on such
general resources.  However, I think it is of value and I think
we can fix up the SWIG module with a little collaboration.

~  D.


Michael Lawrence wrote:
| I am not sure what is included with swig, but have you seen this?
|
| http://www.omegahat.org/RSWIG/
|
| I'm not sure if it's actively maintained, but at the very least it might
| help in your efforts at getting an R swig driver working.
|
| Michael
|
| On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Soeren Sonnenburg <r-ml at nn7.de> wrote:
|
|> Dear all,
|>
|> I was trying to use the R swig wrapper with R 2.7 and shogun
|> ( http://www.shogun-toolbox.org ) but it fails completely, as in doesn't
|> even compile and even after patching then though compiling - crashes...
|>
|> So I asked on swig-users/swig-devel CC'ing the potential R maintainer
|> but I never received a reply. I now wonder if anyone here could help or
|> would be willing to maintain R+swig.
|>
|> The compile fix for R 2.7 is here
|>
|> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.swig/12697
|>
|> and the crash I am now that it compiles see is
|>
|> #0  0xb804e201 in _dl_debug_state () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
|> #1  0xb8051608 in dl_open_worker () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
|> #2  0xb804d5d6 in _dl_catch_error () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
|> #3  0xb8050f5e in _dl_open () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
|> #4  0xb74c3c19 in dlopen_doit () from /lib/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2
|> #5  0xb804d5d6 in _dl_catch_error () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
|> #6  0xb74c42bc in _dlerror_run () from /lib/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2
|> #7  0xb74c3b51 in dlopen@@GLIBC_2.1 () from /lib/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2
|> #8  0xb7efd036 in loadLibrary (path=0xbfa5650c
|> "/home/sonne/Documents/work/fml/repositories/shogun/trunk/src/features/Features.so",
|> asLocal=1, now=1, search=0x9a81f20 "") at dynload.c:92
|> #9  0xb7d6efb3 in AddDLL (path=0xbfa5650c
|> "/home/sonne/Documents/work/fml/repositories/shogun/trunk/src/features/Features.so",
|> asLocal=1, now=1, DLLsearchpath=0x9a81f20 "") at Rdynload.c:543
|> #10 0xb7d6f657 in do_dynload (call=0x9e23998, op=0x9a91e44,
|> args=0xa60d5e0, env=0xa60d650) at Rdynload.c:904
|> #11 0xb7e43dba in do_internal (call=0x9e239d0, op=0x9a8798c,
|> args=0xa60d5e0, env=0xa60d650) at names.c:1129
|> #12 0xb7e0df21 in Rf_eval (e=0x9e239d0, rho=0xa60d650) at eval.c:463
|> #13 0xb7e11a3c in Rf_applyClosure (call=0xa60d74c, op=0x9e23a94,
|> arglist=0xa60d6dc, rho=0x9a9a720, suppliedenv=0x9a9a73c) at eval.c:669
|> #14 0xb7e0de19 in Rf_eval (e=0xa60d74c, rho=0x9a9a720) at eval.c:507
|> #15 0xb7e31a00 in Rf_ReplIteration (rho=0x9a9a720, savestack=0,
|> browselevel=0, state=0xbfa589a8) at main.c:257
|> #16 0xb7e31ddc in run_Rmainloop () at main.c:306
|> #17 0xb7e31e1c in Rf_mainloop () at main.c:974
|> #18 0x08048776 in main (ac=1, av=0xb805b668) at Rmain.c:35
|> #19 0xb7be8450 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
|> #20 0x08048691 in _start ()
|>
|> To reproduce
|>
|> ???wget http://nn7.de/debugging/shogun-0.6.1+svn2882.tar.bz2
|> tar xjf shogun-0.6.1+svn2882.tar.bz2
|> cd shogun-0.6.1+svn2882/src
|> ./configure --interface=R-modular
|> make
|>
|> (wait a few minutes)
|>
|> R
|> dyn.load('features/Features.so')
|> #source("features/Features.R") # not even necessary.
|>
|> Note that shogun works for both python and octave nicely...
|>
|> ???So the question for me is, will this be better maintained in the future
|> or should I stop investing time on getting R supported?
|>
|> Desperate,
|> Soeren
|>
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[Rd] swig 1.3.35 & R - is the R wrapper still maintained and of interest?
Duncan Temple Lang