From macq at llnl.gov  Tue Jun 17 11:18:47 2003
From: macq at llnl.gov (Don MacQueen)
Date: Tue Jun 17 19:19:09 2003
Subject: [Rd] Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R version on gifi
In-Reply-To: <BCB2F722-A0DA-11D7-B39E-000393816814@math.uni-augsburg.de>
References: <BCB2F722-A0DA-11D7-B39E-000393816814@math.uni-augsburg.de>
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At 5:45 PM +0200 6/17/03, Simon Urbanek wrote:
>On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 05:11  PM, Don MacQueen wrote:
>
>>>The really native version doesn't really need to depend on X11 
>>>anymore since the use of X11 on Mac OS X was meant for 
>>>applications that are not properly ported to OS X yet. Once Quartz 
>>>and RAqua are complete there is no need for X11.
>>
>>Except for one major flaw in Aqua--the absence of "focus follows 
>>mouse", as it is sometimes called in an X
>Yes, this is indeed a very nice feature (I've been using it on unix 
>all time), but it can be disastrous at the same time. MS Windows has 
>an undocumented registry key which allows you to enable this, but 
>once you do that you'll realize that a lot of applications assume 
>'topmost-has-focus' state and are almost unusable if the 
>'focus-follows-mouse' is enabled (example: if you have a mouse over 
>a toolbar your document window is inactive - most applications can't 
>deal with that). I'm not sure about this in OS X (since we can't 
>really test it ;P), but something similar might happen.
>
>>Jan cited "Gerben Wierda's i-installer" as a source for jpeg, png, 
>>and teTex. This source is somehow more "official" than fink? But, 
>>considering what Jan says, i.e. "everything needed in /usr/local 
>>will" be included with the installer package, it doesn't matter to 
>>the end user.
>Exactly, that's the point :) We don't want to assume things that are 
>non-standard. We should provide them if necessary.
>
>There is still one issue to consider in this context: source 
>packages. A really 'plain' Mac OS X can't be used to install source 
>packages as-is, basically because there are three missing things: 
>Dev Tools, g77 and latex. The first one is official, so we could 
>require that (and probably have to). G77 is really just a few files, 
>so the installer could add it if necessary, but I'm not sure about 
>latex. Is building packages w/o latex documentation an option?

For an OS X user with no unix background, I would think that pdf is 
the preferred format, and sufficient.

>The direct use of source packages seems to me as the greatest 
>benefit of OSX being unix-based, therefore i wouldn't like to miss 
>it, even if I was pure Mac user...
>
>
>Cheers,
>Simon
>
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Don MacQueen
Environmental Protection Department
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
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[Rd] Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R version on gifi
Don MacQueen