From macq at llnl.gov  Tue Jun 17 13:44:29 2003
From: macq at llnl.gov (Don MacQueen)
Date: Tue Jun 17 21:44:42 2003
Subject: [Rd] Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R version on gifi
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At 8:59 PM +0200 6/17/03, Stefano Iacus wrote:
>On Marted?, giu 17, 2003, at 20:31 Europe/Rome, Jan de Leeuw wrote:
>
>>Well, what happens if you say library(tcltk) and demo(tkdensity) in
>>the R running in Xterm ?
>
>well, you already know the answer. This version of RAqua is built 
>against AquaTclTk, so it won't work. But the x11() device will work 
>fine. In this case two different versions of tcltk are competing X11 
>and AquaTclTk.
>
>But what I meant is that the X11 (itself) part works fine. One can 
>still configure Darwin R to use X11/TclTk.
>
>I need to stress the fact that we are talking about two different 
>aspects: distributed binaries and building options.
>
>1. If the user downloads and installs RAqua is not because he wants 
>to use X11 stuff inside RAqua! He probably doesn't know what X11 
>standa for!
>2. If you, me, Don etc, want to use all the X11 stuff, using fink 
>instead of other sources of prebuilt dlls, this is still 
>possible...and surely none of us will try to mix things (aqua/x11)
>
>What I don't understand from this thread is: is Don asking binaries 
>for darwin/x11 or just asking for the possibility of continuing 
>building Darwin R on his own and configure R in his preferred way? I 
>think he is asking for the second alternative: in this case, this is 
>still possible. Just don't configure with --with-aqua (who oblige 
>us?) and specify X11/TclTk headers at config time, run it in xterm. 
>Moreover, RAqua is built using a script inside src/modules/aqua 
>which is not part of the make R procedure. So if you execute it is 
>because you do want Aqua and not X11.

It's not so much that I'm asking for a certain version; rather, I 
want to understand what direction things are going.

I do want to be able to build from source code and work in an X 
windows environment.

I do think having a binary distribution for the Aqua environment is a 
very valuable contribution. Even if I don't use it myself, I can use 
it to promote the use of R among my co-workers.

I'm not asking for binaries for darwin/x11.

When I build from source code, I don't mind reducing, or even 
eliminating, dependencies on fink, provided that the alternatives are 
not much more difficult to use. Despite the problems with fink that 
Jan describes, it is still an easy-to-use *single* source for all the 
additional libraries that R needs.

Does that help?

As always, I am very, very, happy that R is available for the Mac, 
and appreciate your work, and Jan's work, and that of everyone else 
who has contributed to bringing R to the Mac.

>
>We can consider the possibility of distribute two versions of 
>binaries: "a' la" "RAqua" and "a' la" Jan :)
>
>stefano
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>>On Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003, at 11:25 US/Pacific, Stefano Iacus wrote:
>>
>>>To be more explicit: the RAqua I have built it is built to run 
>>>under X11 as well, just execute it in an xterm window without 
>>>specifying --gui-aqua. Nothing has changed!
>>>
>>===
>>Jan de Leeuw; Professor and Chair, UCLA Department of Statistics;
>>Editor: Journal of Multivariate Analysis, Journal of Statistical Software
>>US mail: 9432 Boelter Hall, Box 951554, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1554
>>phone (310)-825-9550;  fax (310)-206-5658;  email: deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu
>>homepage: http://gifi.stat.ucla.edu

-Don

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Don MacQueen
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Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
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[Rd] Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R version on gifi
Don MacQueen