From Martin Maechler <maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch>  Wed Nov 15 13:18:05 2000
From: Martin Maechler <maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch> (Martin Maechler)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:18:05 +0100
Subject: [Rd] Graphics-Device-Size vs. Window-Size: R design flaw
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    Jens> c)

    Jens> For a reason of authority and compatibility: the prototype DOES
    Jens> layer seperation, DOES rescaling of fonts with window size. 
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
absolutely not!
{unless you are talking Axum graphics which I hardly know and which
 definitely are *NOT* part of the prototype!}

    Jens> Let's dare to be as good as the prototype, or better ...

That has been one of the major motivations behind R development
and I think we *are* slightly better in lower level graphics

    Jens> I hope all this is convincing.
more or less. 
I think there is more than one way of layer separation and we *are* more or
less adhering to one..

Our problem has been to try to remain prototype compatible in many ways and
still do well.  In the realm of graphics this is close to impossible if you
look closely...


    Jens> As the graphics flexibility of R
    Jens> is one of the reasons to use it, having reduced degrees of
    Jens> freedom is disappointing.  To put it provocative:

    Jens>	   tool or toy, that's the question here

  (you could be somewhat kinder here ...)

    Jens> Please give feedback

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[Rd] Graphics-Device-Size vs. Window-Size: R design flaw
Martin Maechler