From marc_schwartz at comcast.net  Mon Jan 15 20:08:08 2007
From: marc_schwartz at comcast.net (Marc Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:08:08 -0600
Subject: [Rd] Whine in dual core Windows PC if R uses full CPU capacity
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"Spule":  Spool or coil perhaps?:

  http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spule_(Elektrotechnik)

In addition to both Uwe's and Duncan's replies, it might be of value to
gather some additional empiric data, such as CPU Temps and Fan Speeds
and note if there is some threshold as to when this sound occurs.

An application that I have seen referenced, but do not use since I am on
Linux is:

  http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

but you may want to do further reviews before using.

It is possible that even running at 100% CPU, as noted, there may be
certain types of operations that will result in higher CPU temps,
causing higher fan speeds. The sound may very well be coming from one or
more of the fans or housings in your system, as a result of vibration or
resonance.

In most current generations of computers, there are multiple fans in the
system. One or more on the power supply, one or more on the CPU itself
and perhaps others within the case to enhance airflow and cooling. The
same is the case in laptops.

HTH,

Marc Schwartz

On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 19:12 +0100, Uwe Ligges wrote:
> Ulrike,
> 
> It can happen that different types of simulations and programs can put 
> load on different regions of the CPU and comsume different amounts of 
> power or simply are causing different patterns in the power consumptions
> 
> 
> Two things might cause the noise (at least, I have seen these things in 
> Dortmund before), given in the order I would look at it at:
> 
> 1. the power supply
> 2. some "Spule" (sorry folks, I don't know the english word) on the 
> mainboard (in most of the cases ASUS is quite OK and does not produce 
> such stuff)
> 
> If the former, buy a better one, if the latter, you can put some paper 
> or part of old cloth around it.
> 
> Best,
> Uwe
> 
> 
> 
> Ulrike Gr?mping wrote:
> > Dear R-developers,
> > 
> > the following may seem a weird question for R-devel ? I try anyway, because it 
> > does seem to be related to usage of R and R's way of interacting with the 
> > hardware.
> > 
> > When running R (2.4.0) on my new dual core Windows XP system (Intel Core 2 Duo 
> > E6600, Mainboard ASUS P5B, BeQuiet Power Unit), I observe various types of 
> > sounds (not related to fans) when running at full usage of at least one of the 
> > cores.
> > 
> > The most annoying sound ? a high-pitched noise like a whine ? I have so far 
> > observed running simulations in R only and couldn?t reproduce with any other 
> > software (sometimes it?s also more a rustle than a whine, that one is not 
> > disturbing). I can clearly track it down to particular instances of R ? as 
> > soon as I left-click on a blue window bar in the affected R-Gui, the noise 
> > stops (and there are sometimes other instances of R running in parallel which 
> > are completely unrelated to the whine). I?ve also stopped R when the computer 
> > just whined and started SAS, fully using the CPU as well ? no whine. Shut down 
> > SAS, restart R ? whine again. Apparently, it can also be related to what 
> > exactly R is doing at the particular moment. For example, I just discovered 
> > that simulations of one type were finished, because the computer ? running 
> > another simulation under full load on R in a quiet way ? started whining at 
> > the moment it switched to the new type of simulation.
> > 
> > The hardware technician I?ve asked about this issue does not have any idea and 
> > suspects R to do something peculiar that causes the noise. It?s not the 
> > mainboards fault (that has already been changed for another reason, and the 
> > behavior remains). I can?t definitely locate the source of the sound. I 
> > suspect that it?s the Power Unit, but there are so many parts close together 
> > that I am not really sure.
> > 
> > I do not know enough about interactions of R with hardware to know whether it 
> > is even possible for anyone deeper into the matter to develop an idea what 
> > could be behind this behavior. For the moment, I can get rid of the whine by 
> > using the mainboard tool ?AI Gear? to reduce the processor?s speed from 2.4GHz 
> > to 1.7GHz when I want to concentrate ? then the whine is gone (but the 
> > simulation is slower).
> > 
> > Does anyone have any idea ? or hints regarding what else I could think about ?
> > 
> > Regards, Ulrike
> > 
> > ****************************** 
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[Rd] Whine in dual core Windows PC if R uses full CPU capacity
Marc Schwartz