From murdoch at stats.uwo.ca  Mon May 18 23:03:03 2009
From: murdoch at stats.uwo.ca (Duncan Murdoch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:03:03 -0400
Subject: [Rd] was: Problem building (binary) packages for Windows
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On 18/05/2009 5:47 AM, Peter Ruckdeschel wrote:
> Dear Martin, Uwe and Brian
> 
> thanks for your comments --- point taken:
> 
> On Sat, 16 May 2009, Martin Maechler wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> "UweL" == Uwe Ligges <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>
>>>>>>>     on Fri, 15 May 2009 20:48:03 +0200 writes:
>>>>>>>             
>> [.............]   
>>
>>     >> Thank you for clarifying this and once again apologies for stirring you
>>     >> up with something that had been fixed in the mean-time already.
>>
>>     UweL> For R-devel, it is in the svn logs. Since it may change again, NEWS is 
>>     UweL> not always edited while things are tested.
>>
>> well, and if a new feature is introduced, it gets a NEWS entry
>> (hopefully), but if the new feature contains bugs, these will be
>> fixed of course with*OUT* another NEWS entry.
>>
>> Indeed, the NEWS apply to (eventually) released versions of R,
>> so fixing transient bugs is *never* documented in NEWS.
>>   
> Convinced.
> 
> And to make this clear:
> I did not mean at all to criticize any development undertaken in R-devel
> ---
> you are all doing a great job in enhancing R, and you deserve all due
> acknowledgement for this.
> 
> My point was rather that instead of keeping one's own checkout
> repository of the R project's svn archives, it would help somehow
> to make changes visible / accesible more easily ---
> of course without bothering R core developers to actively maintain
> this, but rather do this in an automatic way.
> 
> Embarrasingly enough, now that you have explained to me the
> different purposes of NEWS and svn logs, I realized that there
> already  is
> 
>     http://developer.r-project.org/R.svnlog.2008
> 
> (the name of which might get updated to
>    ..../R.svnlog.2009, though)

Thanks for noticing that; it's now done.

Duncan Murdoch

> 
> Still, one might improve upon this without to much effort,
> I think. Possible starting points could be
> 
> (1) webSVN + trac access to the R subversion repository
> (2) using some r-forge type architecture for R core as well,
>      --- in particular for the source code management provided there
> (3) setting up an RSS feed for the svn logs ---- not unlike
>      http://developer.r-project.org/blosxom.cgi/R-devel
> 
> As one more step ahead one could think of
> 
> (4) merging corresponding RSS feeds for CHANGES, NEWS,
> and the svn logs in order to see all changes on one spot.
> 
> Do you think setting up any of these items would be hard
> to establish?
> 
> Maybe this is already done; but I have not been aware of this.
>> ... leading us back to what Brian already said:
>>   >>  'Under development' needs to be taken seriously.
>>   
> if asked, I would have agreed before, and surely now do
> even more so...
> 
> Thanks again, best
> Peter
> 
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[Rd] was: Problem building (binary) packages for Windows
Duncan Murdoch