From csardi.gabor at gmail.com  Tue Oct 29 15:25:36 2013
From: csardi.gabor at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?R+Fib3IgQ3PhcmRp?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Rd] Imports, importFrom slow (for Matrix)
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Unfortunately that seems to be (almost) just as slow.

~$ time Rscript -e 'Matrix::summary; ls()' > /dev/null
real 0m2.785s
user 0m2.668s
sys 0m0.112s

Gabor

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
<ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 29/10/2013 14:03, G?bor Cs?rdi wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> before its latest version my package had 'Imports: Matrix' in its
>> DESCRIPTION file, but it did not import anything in NAMESPACE. Rather,
>> some functions explicitly loaded Matrix, as they needed. The reason
>> for this was that importing Matrix is really slow, and only very few
>> igraph functions need it. (I guess Matrix is slow because of the many
>> registered names, but that is another question.)
>>
>> # Empty session:
>> ~$ time Rscript -e 'ls()' > /dev/null
>> real 0m0.251s
>> user 0m0.196s
>> sys 0m0.049s
>>
>> # Without importing from Matrix:
>> ~$ time Rscript -e 'library(igraph); ls()' > /dev/null
>> Loading required package: methods
>> real 0m0.419s
>> user 0m0.363s
>> sys 0m0.049s
>>
>> # Adding importFrom(Matrix, sparseMatrix) to NAMESPACE:
>> ~$ time Rscript -e 'library(igraph); ls()' > /dev/null
>> Loading required package: methods
>> real 0m2.963s
>> user 0m2.844s
>> sys 0m0.115s
>>
>> This solution was fine with me, especially because other packages
>> depending on igraph and using Matrix through igraph worked fine on the
>> CRAN build servers, as igraph brought Matrix with it. (The build
>> servers don't have recommended packages like Matrix available by
>> default.)
>>
>> Recently, R CMD check does not allow me to list Matrix at Imports
>> without importing something from it. This is understandable, because
>> it is an inconsistency after all, but caused some headache for me.
>>
>> A 3s loading time for a package is IMHO much longer than ideal,
>> especially that loading R itself is ten times faster. So I definitely
>> don't want to import from Matrix right now.
>>
>> The solution I settled with was to include Matrix in 'Suggests', and
>> the load it selectively, as before. Now some packages depending on
>> igraph are failing on the CRAN build servers, which don't have Matrix
>> installed for these packages. (Luckily they are probably not failing
>> for users, because most users do have the recommended packages.)
>>
>> In summary, it would be great to speed up imports.
>>
>> Another solution would be some mechanism that allows me to import from
>> a package as needed, not at the package loading time. Something like a
>> delayed importFrom().
>
>
> That is what Matrix:: does.  There is nothing like enough here for us to
> tell why it would not suffice for you.  (If you want to import something
> occasionally and then use it very many times, make a local copy.)
>
>>
>> Just wanted to bring up this issue.
>>
>> Best,
>> Gabor
>>
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>
>
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