From jens.oehlschlaegel@bbdo-interone.de  Wed Nov 15 14:18:16 2000
From: jens.oehlschlaegel@bbdo-interone.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jens_Oehlschl=E4gel?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:18:16 +0100
Subject: [Rd] Graphics-Device-Size vs. Window-Size: R design flaw
In-Reply-To: <14866.36109.332324.617921@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <002401c04f0e$e5f4dc60$c10616ac@bbdo.de>



Hi Martin,

thanks for giving feedback.
>     Jens> For a reason of authority and compatibility: the
> prototype DOES
>     Jens> layer seperation, DOES rescaling of fonts with window size.
> 			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> absolutely not!
> {unless you are talking Axum graphics which I hardly know and which
>  definitely are *NOT* part of the prototype!}

well, my experience with the prototype is somewhat outdated (WinS+3.3 DID
not change device size with window resizing and DID rescaling of fonts with
window size)

> I think there is more than one way of layer separation and we
> *are* more or
> less adhering to one..

well, the dependance of strwidth() on actual windowsize somehow is an
counter-example, don't you think?

>     Jens> As the graphics flexibility of R
>     Jens> is one of the reasons to use it, having reduced degrees of
>     Jens> freedom is disappointing.  To put it provocative:
>
>     Jens>	   tool or toy, that's the question here
>
>   (you could be somewhat kinder here ...)

Definitely. I know that R is an incredible usefull and serious piece of
software, and my hope is to tickle people to make it better. It's not my
intention to really provoke someone. However, I think it is a serious issue,
and the current implementation seriously restricts R's usefullness as an
universal tools for creating data-driven graphs. And, as I tried to explain,
there is no need for this restriction.

More feedback welcome.


Jens

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