From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu May 18 13:38:20 2017
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 06:38:20 -0500
Subject: [Rd] SUGGESTION: R Base Packages
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On 2017-05-18 2:18 AM, TELLERIA RUIZ DE AGUIRRE, JUAN wrote:
> Thank you Frederick for your comments:
>
> They are really well justified.
>
>> I think a "forum" or bulletin board system would be a detraction from the project and a distraction for the project leaders. Users have Stack Exchange - it's better than any forum we could create, and it
>> takes care of itself.
> An excellent idea would be to add in the R Project Webpage a link to RSeek, in order to put all together. This can be done in a fast and easy way.
>
>> I too was annoyed by the state of the bug reporting system when I first started using R, and that was even before automatic account creation was disabled. I think the situation could be improved.
>> I don't think it's a huge burden to tell bug reporters to ask for an account via the R-devel mailing list. But from what I can see the bug tracker doesn't make it clear that this has to be done. We should at
>> least post a message on the main page explaining how people can create an account. This would be less work than what Juan is suggesting, but I think sufficient for our needs.
> Yes, clarifying in the RProject webpage that accounts could be requested for bug reporting in Bugzilla would be a great news, but it shall be really good justified.
>
>> I think this is a terrible idea. I've only been using R for a few years and while I find these "tidyverse" packages interesting and use them on occasion, I've also concluded that they change too quickly to
>> be used in code that I want to stay working for a long time. They are largely based on experimental concepts. Being able to change and evolve is part of the strength of these packages. So I think putting
>> them in the R Base distribution would be bad for all parties.
> Totally agree.
>
>> I think the R project web page looks great. It's simple and it loads quickly and doesn't try to mesmerize people.


       I like that description "mesmerize":  I despise web pages with 
anything that moves.  I don't surf the net for entertainment:  I want 
information.  Anything that moves is a distraction and makes it harder 
for me to find what I want.


        Spencer Graves


>> I like R's command line interface. It completes on symbols and files and I can easily use it
>> with my favorite editor and run it in the terminal of my choice. I don't think that more effort should be put into developing bloated GUIs which try to enforce a standard way of interacting with R.
> I agree, but, in my opinion,  the RGUI icons  shall have a little bit more modern look. Just a bit.
>
> Thank you,
> Juan
>
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[Rd] SUGGESTION: R Base Packages
Spencer Graves