60p and 24p questions There are so many reviewers out there that praise 60p and 24p modes. This new line of Sony camcorders has it for the first time! So I have a few questions to all of those reviewers.1. I currently use the SR7 which captures 60i. Is there truly a double the quality picture going from 60i to 60p or is it minimal improvement at best (i.e. should I upgrade)?2. The CX560V 60p mode captures at 28Mbps and 60i captures at 24Mbps. Since there is only a small increase in Mbps between the 2 modes, but the 60p is capturing twice as much data, wouldn't the 60p mode suffer much more from compression artifacts than 60i?3. Why would anyone want to capture in 24p mode? Seems like this is just a stuttering mode compared to the smooth 60i/p?Thanks everyone! 60p and 24p questions There are so many reviewers out there that praise 60p and 24p modes. This new line of Sony camcorders has it for the first time! So I have a few questions to all of those... » Read More 60p and 24p questions There are so many reviewers out there that praise 60p and 24p modes. This new line of Sony camcorders has it for the first time! So I have a few questions to all of those reviewers.1. I currently use the SR7 which captures 60i. Is there truly a double the quality picture going from 60i to 60p or is it minimal improvement at best (i.e. should I upgrade)?2. The CX560V 60p mode captures at 28Mbps and 60i captures at 24Mbps. Since there is only a small increase in Mbps between the 2 modes, but the 60p is capturing twice as much data, wouldn't the 60p mode suffer much more from compression artifacts than 60i?3. Why would anyone want to capture in 24p mode? Seems like this is just a stuttering mode compared to the smooth 60i/p?Thanks everyone! « Show Less
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Thank you very much! That was very helpful. I'm excited to try this camera.
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the camera does record in 60p and this footage plays back in 60p on the PS3. however, it can only burn 60i to bluray disc. this camera still does not take pictures while recording in the higher bitrate formats- same as the 550v.
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Few questions1080 60p is not part of the AVCHD standard, it only goes as high as 1080 60iWas the AVCHD standard modified to now accept 1080 60p?Or is Sony using a proprietary format?I exclusively use the PS3 to playback my videos that I store on a USB external drive.Will the 1080 60p footage from this camera playback on a PS3?The previous model CX550 could not capture pictures while shooting video at the highest bit rate, is this still the case?Thanks for your input.
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from what i understand, bluray can be recorded in avchd or mpeg2. avchd is slightly more compressed than mpeg2, which may give more 'compression artifact'. i can assure you, though, that it is very subtle. you have to be about 1 foot from the tv to see it. avchd files will be smaller because they are more compressed.i think all editing software will edit and burn HD footage in either format. hope that helps.
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Hi,Is there a difference between AVCHD and Bluray from a technical or quality perspective? I always thought of them as the same, but the info I have read on the Sony 560V seems to imply they are separate standards. Is AVCHD video editing the same as editing software to handle and burn Bluray disks? Thanks in advance for any input and guidance on this.
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The original firmware that came with the camera (1.01) supported 60fps in 720p. Later firmware revisions removed that capability, but fixed an issue with the microphone level. Seems like you could have 60fps and low sound levels, or 30fps and better mic levels...not an ideal choice.
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Hello. First of all the camera cannot do 24p, it has an effect that makes it sorta look like film but it still records at 30fps. The onboard audio is about as good as onboard goes, but there is no audio hookups for external gear such as a real boom mic. I've purchased both the sony mini boom mic and the stereo mic that can work on the camera, they work alright - but aren't anywhere near audiophile quality.You may want to checkout the Sony ECMHW1 Bluetooth Wireless Microphone if you decide to get this camera..
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> Ah ok, I will try that tonight when I get home from work. So the 60i makes it record in 1080i? I was wondering what the difference was between 60i and 30p. So is 30p better quality than 60i?Curious as to what you find out because, according to the Canon website, 30p records at 60i.
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Hi Joe, the camcorder can record in either 60i or 60p in HD quality. Thanks_Mitch
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I would personally go with the pj650v. I own one and I never regretted buying one. The features u get with it is insane. U can shoot 24p,60p,30p. U have the option to shoot in avchd or mp4. The image quality is amazing. When I first got I showed the quality to my tv production teacher and he was kinda of jealous because this records better image than most big cameras. If u like to shoot in low light just get some cheap led lights and u should be good to go. There are tons of other great features. Overall this is the best option to choose.
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Thank You!!! Richard and Tony, you took the words right out my mouth :) I never use "Auto" mode as the flash mode defaults at too high of an ISO. If you use "P" (program) mode you can adjust the ISO anywhere you want (64-6400) Unless your planning to print most of your pics bigger than 11x14, the noise levels aren't that bad. This camera is taking a bad rap in some forums by people who don;t even own the camera. Know about the $50.00 rebate? I have the form if you want one. write me at barryndallas@earthlink.net and I'll send to anyone who wants it (US only) This camera is the best bargain I've ever seen Thank You!!! Richard and Tony, you took the words right out my mouth :) I never use "Auto" mode as the flash mode defaults at too high of an ISO. If you use "P" (program) mode you can adjust the ISO anywhere you want (64-6400) Unless your planning to print most of your pics bigger than 11x14, the noise levels aren't that bad. This camera is taking a bad rap in some forums by people who don;t even own the camera. Know about the $50.00 rebate? I have the form if you want one. write me at barryndallas@earthlink.net and I'll send to anyone who wants it (US only) This camera... » Read More Thank You!!! Richard and Tony, you took the words right out my mouth :) I never use "Auto" mode as the flash mode defaults at too high of an ISO. If you use "P" (program) mode you can adjust the ISO anywhere you want (64-6400) Unless your planning to print most of your pics bigger than 11x14, the noise levels aren't that bad. This camera is taking a bad rap in some forums by people who don;t even own the camera. Know about the $50.00 rebate? I have the form if you want one. write me at barryndallas@earthlink.net and I'll send to anyone who wants it (US only) This camera is the best bargain I've ever seen « Show Less
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I replaced my Canon 60d and smaller Sony A55 with an Olympus E-P3. I've owned several intro/mid-level dSLRs, and I would say the E-P3 was my favorite camera of all time. My pictures were amazing, it was fast, and best of all was that it was truly portable - perfect for my hiking trips. Were you mainly using the camera in auto mode? I always used it in manual, so can't really tell you how good or bad the camera did in 'A' mode - but in manual mode it was nearly perfect. The lenses you use may also play a role. My favorite lens of all time had been (maybe still is) the Canon 24-70mm lens, and I thought I would never find something that worked just as well, but I came across the Panasonic 14-140mm lens, which is super amazing, and became my favorite and main lens for the E-P3. The lack of viewfinder was never an issue for me, since I used the VF-2 view finder by Olympus. Sure, I was never happy using the E-P3 without the viewfinder, so I kept it on most of the time. I did sell the E-P3 on Ebay soon after the OM-D was announced. I figured that if the E-P3 had become my favorite camera of all time, getting the OM-D would be a no brainer since the specs are better than the E-P3 and it included a built in viewfinder. I have used an NEX-5 (first gen) in the past, and I must say I hated that camera due to how hard it made to shoot in 'M' mode; however, Sony released the NEX-7, a nearly perfect camera targeted towards potential dSLR owners. Deciding between the NEX-7 and the OM-D is a challenge, and they each have their pluses and negatives; however, those looking to replace a dSLR for some trips, shouldn't consider anything other than the OM-D(m4/3) or NEX-7(e-mount) for the time being; although, I bet Panasonic has something in the works to compete with Sony and Olympus.
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Beware the Sony "cineframe" options -- they look terrible. I have a Sony HC3 and while it's a fine little camera in 1080i 60i mode, the pseudo-24p stuff looks awful. The HV20 promises TRUE 24fps recording, plus a cinematic gamma curve, plus OIS, plus manual audio level controls, plus better lowlight performance. I wasn't even planning on buying a new camera, but I'm buying an HV20. At $1099, it's a great deal!
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Thanks for the info Corey! I agree that zooming during recording can get a bit nauseating if done too much/too fast but it is a nice feature to have in certain instances. At least the zoom works before/after like it does on my old 3.2MP Cyber-shot. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I had a similar dilemma. I just had a baby in December and wanted a camcorder for home videos. After hours of research I decided the Sony DCR-SR300 was the best HDD camcorder out there and bought it... so far so good! It also takes great pictures, although with each video you're limited in the number of pictures you can take (don't know if it's the same issue with the JVC Everio).
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24p is recorded in standard AVCHD, so I would guess that you wouldn't have a problem there. To be clear I haven't gotten one yet (will buy next week), but I don't expect to have a problem with the lower settings on my Mac Mini even. But again, I'm just speculating. You could try looking for sample footage on Vimeo, that's what I've done; many people have posted the raw .mts files there, and you can DL them if you get a free membership.
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Thanks for the information from all. I didn't get a Sony 828 when they were available and I was hoping this would be an SLR equivalent. I would like the ability to do short videos for training purposes where I can manually zoom while recording. I paste the videos into Powerpoint to use for self paced and interactive technical training. I also use a lot of stills for training as well as work instructions. I currently use a Sony camera for these features, but it has some limitations due to the lens. I thought this might be the perfect camera, but I guess I'll have to wait.
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Bill,I can vouch for the Flip Ultra that looks good on TV so I would think the HD version looks even better. I was comparing this camcorder with Kodak's new HD Zi6. I think that it can record at 60 frames per second instead of 30. It would be good if anyone has seen a comparison of the two to share on this forum.Mike
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Laurence,I've been doing a lot of research on these various Sony models (S,V,W, etc) and it appears that the S models do not have 120 hz refresh - only 60 hz - may be reason why they are the least expensive of all the models. Also, this 24p compatibility apparently only functions with Blu Ray players! Interesting.jm
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I've been using mine for 5 days now, and got about 5.5 hrs till the CARD FULL message popped up recording in 1080p. I'm still learning, instructions are vague at best. I switched over to the 5 min loop. If I read it right, it should now just keep recording over the older footage. So far, it's a really cool cam............
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Hi David. Can you explain why so many reviewers have said there are bad problems with visual "noise" at so many settings, and even worse in low light? I really want to buy this camera for every other reason, but worried about image quality. Your experience seems quite difference. I also read a pro review that said all the images were soft/not finely detailed because of the Venus processor's over-suppression of the images. What do you think?