{"post_id": "sj5pl9", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 1.0, "history": "Is Drawabox REALLY going to help me draw better? Last year I was doing drawabox and arrived on lesson 3, when I started drawing the plants it was never \"good enough\", the pressure I put on myself was imense and I almost quit art entirely. This year I am still drawing but very little and I do not saw any improvement since I quit drawabox, I am thinking on trying it again because the first lesson helped me a lot, but for some reason I am very hesitant about it. This is the reason why I am asking the question in the title, I am posting this so maybe I can gather willpower to try again.     Ps: sorry for bad english", "c_root_id_A": "hvdgoke", "c_root_id_B": "hvdxwym", "created_at_utc_A": 1643859714, "created_at_utc_B": 1643868534, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 19, "human_ref_A": "I would say that it can help you learn to see a lot of information you would not otherwise see. I recommend paying $5 for drawabox cookies to get official critique. Coming from someone that completed all the lessons, I would say myself that I need a lot of work. I think only you have the power to become a better drawer than your past self. You should try to draw for fun half time spent drawing. Here is the thing, looking for inspiration is important, but you need to find it within yourself to make drawing a daily practice. Long story short I failed to learn to program in 2012 then started again in 2016 to only become a semi-good one in 2022. Draw with the intention that you can do it and are in it for the long run. And getting feedback on your drawings can\u2019t hurt either.   P.S. your English was good.", "human_ref_B": "The point of the lessons is not to create pretty drawings. Its to excercise your brain to think in 3d among other things. The end result is not important.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 8820.0, "score_ratio": 1.7272727273, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "z1soi7", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.86, "history": "Help: 250 Box challenge I\u2019m halfway through, but I still struggle with the inside corner of the box. Does anyone have tips for this?", "c_root_id_A": "ixcsn8w", "c_root_id_B": "ixck4qf", "created_at_utc_A": 1669125632, "created_at_utc_B": 1669121073, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 1, "human_ref_A": "Unfortunately this corner is a litmus test of *the whole box*. Not only must the inside corner be chosen correctly, the points to the inside corner must also be positioned correctly.   What i did to diagnose it was label the lines i draw in a box 1-12. When i checked at the end of the page i could see that line #6 was always not converging correctly for example. This threw everything off. My second issue was not keeping the proportions of the original \"Y\" throughout the box.   Another thing i did to diagnose when going for the final inside corner was imagine where the corner would be from the perspective of each of the three lines that would form it. From each pov, id draw a small dot. If the box is perfect, all three dots will end in the same point. If one dot is wildly off the other two....then that means that corner has an error likely.  Those were just my issues. Unfortunately you'll have to self diagnose here i think. Im at box 110 and am just now getting more consistent on the last 3 lines. Also remember you don't need perfection here. I just go for believable and close. Perfect is just a bonus", "human_ref_B": "**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following:  *  That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out.  If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead:  * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion  Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting.  **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP.  Thank you for your cooperation!  *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 4559.0, "score_ratio": 5.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "z1soi7", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.86, "history": "Help: 250 Box challenge I\u2019m halfway through, but I still struggle with the inside corner of the box. Does anyone have tips for this?", "c_root_id_A": "ixck4qf", "c_root_id_B": "ixu9vfb", "created_at_utc_A": 1669121073, "created_at_utc_B": 1669464270, "score_A": 1, "score_B": 2, "human_ref_A": "**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following:  *  That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out.  If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead:  * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion  Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting.  **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP.  Thank you for your cooperation!  *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*", "human_ref_B": "It kinda just happens. \u00af\\\\\\_(\u30c4)\\_/\u00af", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 343197.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "beftiw", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.94, "history": "can i do the lessons digitally only with drawing tablet. or pen and paper are required ?", "c_root_id_A": "el5k610", "c_root_id_B": "el5wauz", "created_at_utc_A": 1555551443, "created_at_utc_B": 1555561214, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "You can do anything. But pen and paper will get you more out of the exercises.", "human_ref_B": "Digital doesn\u2019t give you the friction of pen and paper. It\u2019s easier to learn with pen and paper and then transition to digital. There\u2019s no friction, so your finger or stylus will slide everywhere.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 9771.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "beftiw", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.94, "history": "can i do the lessons digitally only with drawing tablet. or pen and paper are required ?", "c_root_id_A": "el6985e", "c_root_id_B": "el5k610", "created_at_utc_A": 1555578197, "created_at_utc_B": 1555551443, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "I wouldn't worry too much in what is better as that's a one sign of wanting everything PERFECT. The absolute main priority is drawing (and allot of it) and whats easily accessible and comfortable is dependant upon you. Whether it's drawing on paper or digital, the outcomes are roughly the same.. however be conscious with digital in regards to mistakes. Ass it's easy to erase and start again it damages your learning as it improves seeing and apretiating your mistakes.", "human_ref_B": "You can do anything. But pen and paper will get you more out of the exercises.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 26754.0, "score_ratio": 1.2, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "kut43i", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "Am I Supposed To Rotate The Paper Each Time I Draw a Line In The Draw A Box Course? I remember reading on the website that I should rotate my page for each line I draw, but I  don't remember if that was for just one exercise or the entire course.  I tried looking on the website to find where it says that, but I couldn't find it.", "c_root_id_A": "giuewh1", "c_root_id_B": "giwp48c", "created_at_utc_A": 1610342133, "created_at_utc_B": 1610388175, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "I don't rotate the paper a full 90\u00b0 each time, but I definitely move it (or me) about a fair bit.", "human_ref_B": "Yes. Uncomfortable mentioned on his videos that it is quite essential at the early stages of your training you perfect drawing a line from a single angle to maximize the speed of your progress. Sadly in my hubris I didn't pay heed to this advice the first time and it delayed my progress by months. Work on these exercises while rotating the page. As your continue to draw your ability to draw straight from different angles will increase but stick to rotating the page. Yes it is sometimes a pain in the arse but definitely worth it in the long run.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 46042.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "kut43i", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "Am I Supposed To Rotate The Paper Each Time I Draw a Line In The Draw A Box Course? I remember reading on the website that I should rotate my page for each line I draw, but I  don't remember if that was for just one exercise or the entire course.  I tried looking on the website to find where it says that, but I couldn't find it.", "c_root_id_A": "giv1yl2", "c_root_id_B": "giwp48c", "created_at_utc_A": 1610359547, "created_at_utc_B": 1610388175, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "Personally, I don't like rotating a page and rarely do it. However, I specifically wanted to get better at drawing lines at any angle with confidence.  You don't have to rotate the page, but it is easier to draw lines in one direction, so rotating the page to make it easier to get those strokes in that direction might help you out. Ultimately, decide how you want to draw \ud83d\ude42", "human_ref_B": "Yes. Uncomfortable mentioned on his videos that it is quite essential at the early stages of your training you perfect drawing a line from a single angle to maximize the speed of your progress. Sadly in my hubris I didn't pay heed to this advice the first time and it delayed my progress by months. Work on these exercises while rotating the page. As your continue to draw your ability to draw straight from different angles will increase but stick to rotating the page. Yes it is sometimes a pain in the arse but definitely worth it in the long run.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 28628.0, "score_ratio": 1.6923076923, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "kut43i", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "Am I Supposed To Rotate The Paper Each Time I Draw a Line In The Draw A Box Course? I remember reading on the website that I should rotate my page for each line I draw, but I  don't remember if that was for just one exercise or the entire course.  I tried looking on the website to find where it says that, but I couldn't find it.", "c_root_id_A": "giwc5et", "c_root_id_B": "giwp48c", "created_at_utc_A": 1610382923, "created_at_utc_B": 1610388175, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "Yes", "human_ref_B": "Yes. Uncomfortable mentioned on his videos that it is quite essential at the early stages of your training you perfect drawing a line from a single angle to maximize the speed of your progress. Sadly in my hubris I didn't pay heed to this advice the first time and it delayed my progress by months. Work on these exercises while rotating the page. As your continue to draw your ability to draw straight from different angles will increase but stick to rotating the page. Yes it is sometimes a pain in the arse but definitely worth it in the long run.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 5252.0, "score_ratio": 3.6666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "kut43i", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "Am I Supposed To Rotate The Paper Each Time I Draw a Line In The Draw A Box Course? I remember reading on the website that I should rotate my page for each line I draw, but I  don't remember if that was for just one exercise or the entire course.  I tried looking on the website to find where it says that, but I couldn't find it.", "c_root_id_A": "giv069d", "c_root_id_B": "giwp48c", "created_at_utc_A": 1610358017, "created_at_utc_B": 1610388175, "score_A": -8, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "You should manipulate your work, yes. Why should it be different for a course?", "human_ref_B": "Yes. Uncomfortable mentioned on his videos that it is quite essential at the early stages of your training you perfect drawing a line from a single angle to maximize the speed of your progress. Sadly in my hubris I didn't pay heed to this advice the first time and it delayed my progress by months. Work on these exercises while rotating the page. As your continue to draw your ability to draw straight from different angles will increase but stick to rotating the page. Yes it is sometimes a pain in the arse but definitely worth it in the long run.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 30158.0, "score_ratio": -2.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "kut43i", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "Am I Supposed To Rotate The Paper Each Time I Draw a Line In The Draw A Box Course? I remember reading on the website that I should rotate my page for each line I draw, but I  don't remember if that was for just one exercise or the entire course.  I tried looking on the website to find where it says that, but I couldn't find it.", "c_root_id_A": "giv1yl2", "c_root_id_B": "giv069d", "created_at_utc_A": 1610359547, "created_at_utc_B": 1610358017, "score_A": 13, "score_B": -8, "human_ref_A": "Personally, I don't like rotating a page and rarely do it. However, I specifically wanted to get better at drawing lines at any angle with confidence.  You don't have to rotate the page, but it is easier to draw lines in one direction, so rotating the page to make it easier to get those strokes in that direction might help you out. Ultimately, decide how you want to draw \ud83d\ude42", "human_ref_B": "You should manipulate your work, yes. Why should it be different for a course?", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 1530.0, "score_ratio": -1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "kut43i", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "Am I Supposed To Rotate The Paper Each Time I Draw a Line In The Draw A Box Course? I remember reading on the website that I should rotate my page for each line I draw, but I  don't remember if that was for just one exercise or the entire course.  I tried looking on the website to find where it says that, but I couldn't find it.", "c_root_id_A": "giv069d", "c_root_id_B": "giwc5et", "created_at_utc_A": 1610358017, "created_at_utc_B": 1610382923, "score_A": -8, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "You should manipulate your work, yes. Why should it be different for a course?", "human_ref_B": "Yes", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 24906.0, "score_ratio": -0.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz4c0pg", "c_root_id_B": "gz50dlt", "created_at_utc_A": 1621735851, "created_at_utc_B": 1621754149, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Moleskine sketchbooks are pretty good", "human_ref_B": "If you go for loose printer paper get the super smoooooth stuff. Go for laser jet and anything above 24lb. (That\u2019s the grade/how thick the paper is.) HP laser jet 32lb is my favorite. I use it for fountain pens but maaaaan the smoothness you get for felt tips is phenomenal. You know that feeling when you\u2019re cutting wrapping paper and the scissors hit the sweet spot and you can just glide the rest of the way? That\u2019s how the laser jet paper feels. I recommend it. Plus it may end up being cheaper than a sketchbook.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 18298.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz4levk", "c_root_id_B": "gz50dlt", "created_at_utc_A": 1621742004, "created_at_utc_B": 1621754149, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "CRESCENT \ud83c\udf19 SKETCHBOOKS ARE AMAZING.", "human_ref_B": "If you go for loose printer paper get the super smoooooth stuff. Go for laser jet and anything above 24lb. (That\u2019s the grade/how thick the paper is.) HP laser jet 32lb is my favorite. I use it for fountain pens but maaaaan the smoothness you get for felt tips is phenomenal. You know that feeling when you\u2019re cutting wrapping paper and the scissors hit the sweet spot and you can just glide the rest of the way? That\u2019s how the laser jet paper feels. I recommend it. Plus it may end up being cheaper than a sketchbook.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 12145.0, "score_ratio": 1.6666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz503wq", "c_root_id_B": "gz50dlt", "created_at_utc_A": 1621753893, "created_at_utc_B": 1621754149, "score_A": 1, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "all i can say is that i just started DaB and it feels likethe printer paper is /eating/ my microns. . .  and the roughness is super uneven. mondo distracting", "human_ref_B": "If you go for loose printer paper get the super smoooooth stuff. Go for laser jet and anything above 24lb. (That\u2019s the grade/how thick the paper is.) HP laser jet 32lb is my favorite. I use it for fountain pens but maaaaan the smoothness you get for felt tips is phenomenal. You know that feeling when you\u2019re cutting wrapping paper and the scissors hit the sweet spot and you can just glide the rest of the way? That\u2019s how the laser jet paper feels. I recommend it. Plus it may end up being cheaper than a sketchbook.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 256.0, "score_ratio": 5.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz4levk", "c_root_id_B": "gz599g6", "created_at_utc_A": 1621742004, "created_at_utc_B": 1621762815, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "CRESCENT \ud83c\udf19 SKETCHBOOKS ARE AMAZING.", "human_ref_B": "All you need is printer paper, a clipboard (especially a big artist one) and some binder clips.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 20811.0, "score_ratio": 1.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz599g6", "c_root_id_B": "gz53x2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1621762815, "created_at_utc_B": 1621757530, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 2, "human_ref_A": "All you need is printer paper, a clipboard (especially a big artist one) and some binder clips.", "human_ref_B": "Google Leuchtturm - they make blanko or Dottet sketchbooks (and Notebooks) - I use them when it comes to fineliners - they are greate and I never had problems with them - they are even surviving comic markers   The only drawback : the paper is smooth - you have to be carefull not to accidently smudge pencil drawings  And this paper takes absolute 0 wet Mediums so no Aquarell/acryl etc", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 5285.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz503wq", "c_root_id_B": "gz599g6", "created_at_utc_A": 1621753893, "created_at_utc_B": 1621762815, "score_A": 1, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "all i can say is that i just started DaB and it feels likethe printer paper is /eating/ my microns. . .  and the roughness is super uneven. mondo distracting", "human_ref_B": "All you need is printer paper, a clipboard (especially a big artist one) and some binder clips.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 8922.0, "score_ratio": 4.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz658e7", "c_root_id_B": "gz53x2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1621784232, "created_at_utc_B": 1621757530, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 2, "human_ref_A": "Don't know if it was a typo or not, but A4 is recommended, not A5", "human_ref_B": "Google Leuchtturm - they make blanko or Dottet sketchbooks (and Notebooks) - I use them when it comes to fineliners - they are greate and I never had problems with them - they are even surviving comic markers   The only drawback : the paper is smooth - you have to be carefull not to accidently smudge pencil drawings  And this paper takes absolute 0 wet Mediums so no Aquarell/acryl etc", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 26702.0, "score_ratio": 1.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz658e7", "c_root_id_B": "gz5b1ov", "created_at_utc_A": 1621784232, "created_at_utc_B": 1621764556, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 2, "human_ref_A": "Don't know if it was a typo or not, but A4 is recommended, not A5", "human_ref_B": "Rhodia Paper is smooth as silk and doesn't bleed or anything on the paper. It's marketed for fountain pens but i've found it to work beautifully with brush pens and fineliners. Great for sketching and pretty economical for how nice the paper is.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 19676.0, "score_ratio": 1.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz658e7", "c_root_id_B": "gz503wq", "created_at_utc_A": 1621784232, "created_at_utc_B": 1621753893, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 1, "human_ref_A": "Don't know if it was a typo or not, but A4 is recommended, not A5", "human_ref_B": "all i can say is that i just started DaB and it feels likethe printer paper is /eating/ my microns. . .  and the roughness is super uneven. mondo distracting", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 30339.0, "score_ratio": 3.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz53x2q", "c_root_id_B": "gz6wgy8", "created_at_utc_A": 1621757530, "created_at_utc_B": 1621796864, "score_A": 2, "score_B": 3, "human_ref_A": "Google Leuchtturm - they make blanko or Dottet sketchbooks (and Notebooks) - I use them when it comes to fineliners - they are greate and I never had problems with them - they are even surviving comic markers   The only drawback : the paper is smooth - you have to be carefull not to accidently smudge pencil drawings  And this paper takes absolute 0 wet Mediums so no Aquarell/acryl etc", "human_ref_B": "I pretty much exclusively use printer paper and I'm glad I'm in good company.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 39334.0, "score_ratio": 1.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz5b1ov", "c_root_id_B": "gz6wgy8", "created_at_utc_A": 1621764556, "created_at_utc_B": 1621796864, "score_A": 2, "score_B": 3, "human_ref_A": "Rhodia Paper is smooth as silk and doesn't bleed or anything on the paper. It's marketed for fountain pens but i've found it to work beautifully with brush pens and fineliners. Great for sketching and pretty economical for how nice the paper is.", "human_ref_B": "I pretty much exclusively use printer paper and I'm glad I'm in good company.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 32308.0, "score_ratio": 1.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz6wgy8", "c_root_id_B": "gz503wq", "created_at_utc_A": 1621796864, "created_at_utc_B": 1621753893, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 1, "human_ref_A": "I pretty much exclusively use printer paper and I'm glad I'm in good company.", "human_ref_B": "all i can say is that i just started DaB and it feels likethe printer paper is /eating/ my microns. . .  and the roughness is super uneven. mondo distracting", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 42971.0, "score_ratio": 3.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz503wq", "c_root_id_B": "gz53x2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1621753893, "created_at_utc_B": 1621757530, "score_A": 1, "score_B": 2, "human_ref_A": "all i can say is that i just started DaB and it feels likethe printer paper is /eating/ my microns. . .  and the roughness is super uneven. mondo distracting", "human_ref_B": "Google Leuchtturm - they make blanko or Dottet sketchbooks (and Notebooks) - I use them when it comes to fineliners - they are greate and I never had problems with them - they are even surviving comic markers   The only drawback : the paper is smooth - you have to be carefull not to accidently smudge pencil drawings  And this paper takes absolute 0 wet Mediums so no Aquarell/acryl etc", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 3637.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "gz503wq", "c_root_id_B": "gz5b1ov", "created_at_utc_A": 1621753893, "created_at_utc_B": 1621764556, "score_A": 1, "score_B": 2, "human_ref_A": "all i can say is that i just started DaB and it feels likethe printer paper is /eating/ my microns. . .  and the roughness is super uneven. mondo distracting", "human_ref_B": "Rhodia Paper is smooth as silk and doesn't bleed or anything on the paper. It's marketed for fountain pens but i've found it to work beautifully with brush pens and fineliners. Great for sketching and pretty economical for how nice the paper is.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 10663.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "niv1g3", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "Sketchbooks for Fineliners? Hey all, I'm new to the world of drawing, and have been interested in starting out with DaB, and it mentions using A5 printer paper, and not sketchbooks due to more ink being used, and hindering our drawing.   I do have a series of Fineliners already, including 0.5mm since I love using these pens for writing, so I'm prepared on that front.   I would like to have something dedicated to drawing, but be able to have everything in one place. I was looking online, and I did find this. They come in A5 format as well. Would this be okay for the course?", "c_root_id_A": "ir6u9tr", "c_root_id_B": "gz503wq", "created_at_utc_A": 1664998200, "created_at_utc_B": 1621753893, "score_A": 2, "score_B": 1, "human_ref_A": "This is an old thread but just wanted to mention for people, the luettchterm (idgaf to spell it right) feather quite a lot. I'd say no, they are not good for fineliners, dip pens, fountain pens, etc. They'll work relatively fine but theres much much better, **cheaper** options for ink.   Here's my little list of recommendations from experience, with mini reviews. All available in A5 except illo's square 8x8   * **Handbook & co - Travelogue**    * 130gsm warm paper.    * Pretty cheap - Great middle ground thick/thin paper, economical and sturdy.    * Takes copic and water very very well for how thin the paper is.    * Great for ink - no feathering, smooth enough, not too absorbent    * Con: Slightly rougher than *perfect -* for pen & ink - but not enough to care though.    * Con: Cloth cover = no stickers ):   * Canson Art Book - 180^(o) (180 is what I've used, but it's just the binding style)    * 96gsm, bright white and smooth paper.    * Has my favorite texture of all. Has just enough texture, less would be unnecessary, more would be too much IMO, for inking and such.    * Can beat this paper to hell and it just survives. Copics, inking, watercolor, gouache, dry media, doesn't care. It works **great,** especially for how thin!    * Paper is better than the travelogue. Handles just as well but thinner, and less absorbent with less texture.    * Paper is properly non-absorbent, which is why it handles so well. It isn't waxy, but its not a paper towel either - just right.    * Cheapest option of all given how thin - yet capable the paper is.    * **My favorite sketchbook of all.** I use others for heavier tasks of course but this does everything you could reasonably expect it to do, very well.    * CON: Ink 'shows' through the thin paper, not bleed, but translucently. No more than expected and easily ignored.   * **illo**    * 180gsm - Very smooth, bright white paper.    * Only comes in square not A5, which I like for other reasons. Matter of opinion    * Good price, about $18 IIRC    * Holds up fine to copic and water, nothing crazy.    * Beautiful texture for ink and pencil, *great* eraseability    * CON: Copics and watercolor can get dull from overwork    * CON: Not archival   * **Stillman & Birn epsilon**    * 150gsm - Nice thickness for ink and such    * Smooth, great for ink just like illo\\^\\^    * Beautiful, high quality binding    * Bit better than illo for watercolor, same for copics.    * CON: Ink ghosts/shows through the back a bit. More than it should for 150gsm but not horribly.    * CON: Copics and watercolor can get dull from over work    * CON: A bit pricey compared to these other items, but worth it. The extra money goes to the gorgeous and sturdy binding. Paper isn't necessarily better * **Leda**    * Very cheap, but pretty damn thin paper. Ink 'shows' through like epsilon, not bleeding.    * Paper is quite creamy, more than travelogue but not 'too yellow'    * Very very smooth. Pens/dip pens feel amazing    * Like the Travelogue, handles copic and water very damn well *considering* how thin it is. But, it is very thin.    * CON: Softcover. Still lays flat though    * CON: Thin enough to be more of a literal **sketch**book. Not pretending to be an museum of finished mixed-media illustrations on the front and back of each page.", "human_ref_B": "all i can say is that i just started DaB and it feels likethe printer paper is /eating/ my microns. . .  and the roughness is super uneven. mondo distracting", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 43244307.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "q6qevk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 1.0, "history": "Should I still use the sausage method for drawing legs even if a segment looks like a different geometric shape? I'm doing revisions for lesson 4 and one of my choices is this butterfly. When I zoom into the upper segments of its legs they look like outright cylinders to me rather than sausage shapes.   Should I still stick to sausages for them or should I use cylinders instead?", "c_root_id_A": "hgej3uu", "c_root_id_B": "hgdy41w", "created_at_utc_A": 1634073150, "created_at_utc_B": 1634064610, "score_A": 18, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Your eyes can play tricks on you, especially when you're drawing from a photo instead of real life. If you view a sausage at a certain angle it does look straight like a cylinder, but the form is still curved. It helps to look at multiple photos  https://i.imgur.com/tahJKFa.jpg  In this photo the leg has a clear bend backwards. When you look at the bug from the rear you can't quite see it because the bend is going backwards and the leg has extra bulk. But the form is still curved, and when you draw it you should represent it that way.", "human_ref_B": "Yes, still use sausage shapes. They will just be long sausages.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 8540.0, "score_ratio": 1.3846153846, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "xaiu6e", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 1.0, "history": "need help with lesson 2 texture exercise I am unable to understand lesson 2 texture study and the dissection study exercise. Pls help.", "c_root_id_A": "intvcfe", "c_root_id_B": "invpr9y", "created_at_utc_A": 1662794175, "created_at_utc_B": 1662831514, "score_A": 1, "score_B": 3, "human_ref_A": "**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following:  *  That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out.  If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead:  * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion  Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting.  **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP.  Thank you for your cooperation!  *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*", "human_ref_B": "What specifically is it that you're having trouble with?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 37339.0, "score_ratio": 3.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzbdkv", "c_root_id_B": "fqzs5kl", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763819, "created_at_utc_B": 1589774099, "score_A": 20, "score_B": 59, "human_ref_A": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "human_ref_B": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 10280.0, "score_ratio": 2.95, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fqzs5kl", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589774099, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 59, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 6003.0, "score_ratio": 3.9333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzmvq6", "c_root_id_B": "fqzs5kl", "created_at_utc_A": 1589770723, "created_at_utc_B": 1589774099, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 59, "human_ref_A": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "human_ref_B": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 3376.0, "score_ratio": 4.2142857143, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fqzs5kl", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589774099, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 59, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 13937.0, "score_ratio": 6.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzs5kl", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589774099, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 59, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 8865.0, "score_ratio": 5.3636363636, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzs5kl", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589774099, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 59, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 5501.0, "score_ratio": 6.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzs5kl", "c_root_id_B": "fqz56db", "created_at_utc_A": 1589774099, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760115, "score_A": 59, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "human_ref_B": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 13984.0, "score_ratio": 7.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzs5kl", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589774099, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 59, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 7446.0, "score_ratio": 7.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fqzs5kl", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589774099, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 59, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 12180.0, "score_ratio": 8.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzs5kl", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589774099, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 59, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 10717.0, "score_ratio": 8.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fqzs5kl", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589774099, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 59, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 10446.0, "score_ratio": 9.8333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzs5kl", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589774099, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 59, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 13641.0, "score_ratio": 11.8, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzs5kl", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589774099, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 59, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 4752.0, "score_ratio": 8.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fqzs5kl", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589774099, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 59, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "Yeah, the whole \u201cart as work\u201d mindset isn\u2019t a great one, even if you do it professionally. Art, for most people (I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re no exception), is a hobby, a thing that you do because you like it.   Some actionable advice: take a break, and then when you get the urge to draw something, try doodling, drawing whatever comes to mind, drawing whatever you like and have fun with it.   Play with colors, play with different mediums, with different pencils etc.   JUST PLAY!!! I cant stress this enough.  Do this for a couple of hours/draws/weeks etc until you get the urge to find out how to draw what you want to draw \u201ccorrectly\u201d. When you get that urge to start drawing better, you can come back here.   Just don\u2019t skip the playing step", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 13119.0, "score_ratio": 14.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqzbdkv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763819, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 20, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 16440.0, "score_ratio": 1.8, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqzii12", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768096, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 15, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 12163.0, "score_ratio": 2.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzmvq6", "c_root_id_B": "fr00jzf", "created_at_utc_A": 1589770723, "created_at_utc_B": 1589780259, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 36, "human_ref_A": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "human_ref_B": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 9536.0, "score_ratio": 2.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 20097.0, "score_ratio": 4.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fr00jzf", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589780259, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 36, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 15025.0, "score_ratio": 3.2727272727, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 11661.0, "score_ratio": 4.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr00jzf", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589780259, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 36, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 20144.0, "score_ratio": 4.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 13606.0, "score_ratio": 4.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 18340.0, "score_ratio": 5.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 16877.0, "score_ratio": 5.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr00jzf", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589780259, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 36, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 16606.0, "score_ratio": 6.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 19801.0, "score_ratio": 7.2, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 10912.0, "score_ratio": 5.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr00jzf", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589780259, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 36, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "Just out of curiosity, why do you want to learn if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it?", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 19279.0, "score_ratio": 9.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 27021.0, "score_ratio": 1.3181818182, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fqzbdkv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763819, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 20, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 62495.0, "score_ratio": 1.45, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 58218.0, "score_ratio": 1.9333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 55591.0, "score_ratio": 2.0714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 3570.0, "score_ratio": 2.0714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 27936.0, "score_ratio": 2.2307692308, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 11696.0, "score_ratio": 2.0714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 66152.0, "score_ratio": 3.2222222222, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 61080.0, "score_ratio": 2.6363636364, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 33100.0, "score_ratio": 2.9, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 19480.0, "score_ratio": 2.9, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzjbz6", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768598, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 57716.0, "score_ratio": 3.2222222222, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u4ra", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806790, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 19524.0, "score_ratio": 3.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 66199.0, "score_ratio": 3.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 59661.0, "score_ratio": 3.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr13mb6", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589812606, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 13708.0, "score_ratio": 3.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fr15zrs", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589813902, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 12412.0, "score_ratio": 4.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 64395.0, "score_ratio": 4.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 62932.0, "score_ratio": 4.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 62661.0, "score_ratio": 4.8333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fr0djwe", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589791799, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 34515.0, "score_ratio": 3.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1usv8", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589826314, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 29, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 65856.0, "score_ratio": 5.8, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 56967.0, "score_ratio": 4.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 65334.0, "score_ratio": 7.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr14dt9", "c_root_id_B": "fr1usv8", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813028, "created_at_utc_B": 1589826314, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 29, "human_ref_A": "Wobbly lines will get less wobbly with experience, as long as you are actively checking your technique, like posture etc., so you avoid any errors creeping in.  Drawing for fun can be difficult to get in to, especially when you get frustrated with drawing. You talk about stuff being hopelessly out of reach How about you attempt it? Allow yourself to fail. Maybe just sketch/plan the drawing or parts it or just make a complete mess on paper and burn it afterwards.   One somewhat silly way of trying to touch the \"fun\" part of drawing is to force yourself to fill a paper with simple monochrome shapes like spirals ending with a dot in the center, tiny flowers or bubbles. Deliberately imperfect. Hang this painting on your wall. Watch how your perception of the painting changes over the next days (try this with you sketches as well!). If you feel a bit more positive about your creation, carry this feeling into your next drawing. If you remain frustrated by what you see, explore why you feel that way.", "human_ref_B": "That's fine. If it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then I'd say that it takes 3 years to get proficient, and the remaining year and change is spent on just refining those things again and again and again until one day you look down at your paper and wonder how you got so good.   For now, don't try to get perfection. Don't try to put some big, lofty goal in front of yourself. There's a mountain in front of you right now, and you've decided that you'll completely demolish it within a week. Don't bother with that. Just focus on one thing, on one rock, just pick up that rock and move it away. The mountain doesn't matter. The rest of the rocks don't matter. Tomorrow doesn't matter. Yesterday doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have a rock in front of you, and you need to move it away.  That's the way you should be tackling these exercises. It shouldn't matter how many you did yesterday. It doesn't matter how many you do tomorrow. This isn't your life. It's an exercise, it's a rock on your way that you pick up and move aside. It's a part of your *routine*, and nothing more than that. And, of course, one day you'll look back at what you've done, and you'll see that mountain you always passed has disappeared. And you'll note it, and then you'll move on.  And, of course, once you realize that this isn't a thing on its own, and is in fact just a part of your routine, you realize that much more important than perfection in it is that it keeps you good enough. If you want a perfect line, get a ruler and a set of sweeps. If you want perfect ellipses, get an ellipse guide. If you want a perfect circle, get a compass. These exercises shouldn't be used to get perfect circles, lines, ellipses, boxes, whatever. It just needs the \"good enough\", just needs you to *be* good enough that you don't need to reach for the compass whenever you want to draw a circle, don't need the ruler to draw your lines, don't need sweeps to draw your curves. You can always clean it up afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why those tools are there.  As for drawing for fun? My advice, if you want it, is don't. I don't. I don't know how to draw for fun either. But I do know that it's fun to copy other artists work and see how it improves me. It's fun to use their tricks to make my own stuff, to design my own poses and to doodle my own characters.   Look, fun doesn't have to be vague. And drawing is fun, because it's basically playing around. And if you want to draw for fun, then just draw something, and have fun putting pen to paper. More so than drawing for fun is to know what you're drawing to learn, to know what kind of drawing draws you in.   If you want to learn how to be creative, make a scribble on a page and turn it into a thing, make it a shape, make it a character, make it a robot or an alien or a goddamned tree if you have to, just make it into something.   If you want to be technical, find an artist you admire, find an artist that you love, that you want to be, and steal his tricks. Watch him draw, watch him paint, then come home and do the same, and watch your skills grow, and know you're better today than you were yesterday.  If you want to be both, then do both. Make your squiggle, use your stolen tricks, and make something that you look at and go \"I made this\". And it doesn't have to be with pride, but I think you'll be proud of what you've made, because sometimes it seems like you need some mystical *thing* to let you make something, but then you look at what you've made, and you can be proud *because you made something*. You have that talent, you can make things. And while right now it might not feel like much, but as you keep working, as you keep filling page after page after page after page of your creations, one day you'll stand at a crossroads, and you'll turn around, and before you can even regret any decision, you'll see all those drawings you've made, all those creations of yours, all lining that path you just walked down as thickly as loam and as surely as cobblestones. And you won't be able to see the road you walked down anymore, because there's so much you've already made. And as you trail back down that road, you might pick up some wandering pages, and tuck them away in your pocket for later\u2014hey, who knows what the future will be like?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 13286.0, "score_ratio": 7.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqzbdkv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763819, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 20, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 35474.0, "score_ratio": 1.1, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqzii12", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768096, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 15, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 31197.0, "score_ratio": 1.4666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 28570.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 915.0, "score_ratio": 1.6923076923, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fr0ky6b", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589799293, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 39131.0, "score_ratio": 2.4444444444, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fr0ky6b", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589799293, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 34059.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 6079.0, "score_ratio": 2.2, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzjbz6", "c_root_id_B": "fr0ky6b", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768598, "created_at_utc_B": 1589799293, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "human_ref_B": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 30695.0, "score_ratio": 2.4444444444, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr0ky6b", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589799293, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 39178.0, "score_ratio": 2.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 32640.0, "score_ratio": 2.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 37374.0, "score_ratio": 3.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 35911.0, "score_ratio": 3.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 35640.0, "score_ratio": 3.6666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fr0djwe", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589791799, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 7494.0, "score_ratio": 2.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fr0ky6b", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589799293, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 22, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 38835.0, "score_ratio": 4.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 29946.0, "score_ratio": 3.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0ky6b", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589799293, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 22, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "If you spent 30 minutes a day drawing lines, actively trying to improve the whole time, you'll have pretty damn straight lines within a week.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 38313.0, "score_ratio": 5.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzbdkv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763819, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 20, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 3657.0, "score_ratio": 2.2222222222, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzbdkv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz56db", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763819, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760115, "score_A": 20, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "human_ref_B": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 3704.0, "score_ratio": 2.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzbdkv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763819, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 20, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 1900.0, "score_ratio": 2.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fqzbdkv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763819, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 20, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 437.0, "score_ratio": 2.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzbdkv", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763819, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 20, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 166.0, "score_ratio": 3.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzbdkv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763819, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 20, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 3361.0, "score_ratio": 4.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzbdkv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763819, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 20, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "For you exercises on lesson 1, it's NORMAL for the beginning to have the wobbly line, I mean you're already started the lesson and as a beginner (I assume), it's expected to make a mistake, but the important thing is just keep practicing your shoulder to draw and have a confindence on it, but don't grind too much. You can also do this as a warm-up routine and do it for 10-15 min before the actual homeworks and exercises.  Ragarding to your fun feeling for your drawing, this is just my opinion, I think you need to find the motivation to fuel up your desire to draw, in my case, I'm also started to seriously focus on drawing when I watched Kesha, Ethan Becker, and other legendary animators. Another thing that you wanna think is \"why do I draw?\", it's because that was fun or because I want to be THAT kind of person in the future or something. If you want to draw, it's good for you, if not, try to find your motivation and try to fuel up your desire. :)  I know you can do this pal!", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 2839.0, "score_ratio": 5.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fqzii12", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768096, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 15, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 7934.0, "score_ratio": 1.6666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 2862.0, "score_ratio": 1.3636363636, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fqzii12", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768096, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 15, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 7981.0, "score_ratio": 1.875, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fqzii12", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768096, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 15, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 1443.0, "score_ratio": 1.875, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 6177.0, "score_ratio": 2.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 4714.0, "score_ratio": 2.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 4443.0, "score_ratio": 2.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 7638.0, "score_ratio": 3.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzii12", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768096, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 15, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "While I'm still very inexperienced in drawing and dont have much advice for your lines, I do have some for the second part.  I've had a bunch of times where I tried to learn to draw, but it felt too much like work with no results and I ended up quitting. I've been drawing more consistently over the past year or so, and the main change is that I've been sharing my drawings with my partner. They're an artist and have been able to give me tips and helpful input, but the most important thing is that they've been incredibly supportive and kind when I show them what I draw. Getting good, positive feedback and turning into a social activity (be it drawing together or just sending pictures of my drawings to them) has really helped me with my motivation to keep at it and get better without having it feel like a chore. If you have anyone you could share this with to get that kind feedback, even if it's just tiny doodles, it could help", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 7116.0, "score_ratio": 3.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzmvq6", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589770723, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 10561.0, "score_ratio": 1.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzmvq6", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589770723, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 5489.0, "score_ratio": 1.2727272727, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzjbz6", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768598, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 2125.0, "score_ratio": 1.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 10608.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 4070.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzmvq6", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589770723, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 8804.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 7341.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 7070.0, "score_ratio": 2.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fqzmvq6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589770723, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 10265.0, "score_ratio": 2.8, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzmvq6", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589770723, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 1376.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzmvq6", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589770723, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "Are you drawing with your shoulder? Meaning your hand and arm should be in a locked position and al you move is your shoulder.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 9743.0, "score_ratio": 3.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0k07v", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589798378, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 24366.0, "score_ratio": 1.0769230769, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 62582.0, "score_ratio": 1.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 57510.0, "score_ratio": 1.2727272727, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 29530.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u72d", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806834, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 15910.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 54146.0, "score_ratio": 1.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u4ra", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806790, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 15954.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 62629.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 56091.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr13mb6", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589812606, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 10138.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr15zrs", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813902, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 8842.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 60825.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 59362.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 59091.0, "score_ratio": 2.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 30945.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 62286.0, "score_ratio": 2.8, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 53397.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr1nfiv", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589822744, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 61764.0, "score_ratio": 3.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr14dt9", "c_root_id_B": "fr1nfiv", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813028, "created_at_utc_B": 1589822744, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Wobbly lines will get less wobbly with experience, as long as you are actively checking your technique, like posture etc., so you avoid any errors creeping in.  Drawing for fun can be difficult to get in to, especially when you get frustrated with drawing. You talk about stuff being hopelessly out of reach How about you attempt it? Allow yourself to fail. Maybe just sketch/plan the drawing or parts it or just make a complete mess on paper and burn it afterwards.   One somewhat silly way of trying to touch the \"fun\" part of drawing is to force yourself to fill a paper with simple monochrome shapes like spirals ending with a dot in the center, tiny flowers or bubbles. Deliberately imperfect. Hang this painting on your wall. Watch how your perception of the painting changes over the next days (try this with you sketches as well!). If you feel a bit more positive about your creation, carry this feeling into your next drawing. If you remain frustrated by what you see, explore why you feel that way.", "human_ref_B": "That's the point, if you aren't struggling with it there isn't much point in doing the exercises. Trust the process, I was god awful to begin with and now after loads of practice I've gotten so much better", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 9716.0, "score_ratio": 3.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 16240.0, "score_ratio": 1.0769230769, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0k07v", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589798378, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 38216.0, "score_ratio": 1.4444444444, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0k07v", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589798378, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 33144.0, "score_ratio": 1.1818181818, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0k07v", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589798378, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 5164.0, "score_ratio": 1.3, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzjbz6", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768598, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 29780.0, "score_ratio": 1.4444444444, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 38263.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 31725.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0k07v", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589798378, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 36459.0, "score_ratio": 1.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 34996.0, "score_ratio": 1.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 34725.0, "score_ratio": 2.1666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 6579.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0k07v", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589798378, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 37920.0, "score_ratio": 2.6, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 29031.0, "score_ratio": 1.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fr0k07v", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589798378, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "I guess one way of looking at it is: If you practice a little every day, you'll get better than if you don't practice anything ever. In a different sphere, I've been trying to learn to sing. It's taken me a whole year (I started in April last year) to be able to find my \"mixed voice\", and it still sounds pretty terrible. BUT, I'm now a year closer to my goal of being able to sing well, and in that year I have not once had a leap, it's been tiny baby steps for every. Single. Step. And yep, this time last year I had no idea what mixed voice was and how I can warm up for a few minutes and get it.  Like any skill, at the beginning you just start. Maybe in your playtime you could be trying to draw one particular character, from different angles. If you do the warmups frequently and before each drawing session, you should notice improvements eventually. I've noticed that I can draw a confident line now, and more and more often that confident line resembles what I was aiming for.   One final thing: Getting better at something involves \"deliberate practice\", which means it's nearly always difficult. It's the trying and the concentration that makes you improve.  Good luck, I hope you have some success in your drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 37398.0, "score_ratio": 3.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 54456.0, "score_ratio": 1.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 49384.0, "score_ratio": 1.2727272727, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 21404.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 7784.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzjbz6", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768598, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 46020.0, "score_ratio": 1.5555555556, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u4ra", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806790, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 7828.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fqz56db", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760115, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 54503.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 47965.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr13mb6", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589812606, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 2012.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fr15zrs", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589813902, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 716.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 52699.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr17bwd", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589814618, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 14, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 51236.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 50965.0, "score_ratio": 2.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 22819.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 54160.0, "score_ratio": 2.8, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 45271.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 53638.0, "score_ratio": 3.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr14dt9", "c_root_id_B": "fr17bwd", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813028, "created_at_utc_B": 1589814618, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 14, "human_ref_A": "Wobbly lines will get less wobbly with experience, as long as you are actively checking your technique, like posture etc., so you avoid any errors creeping in.  Drawing for fun can be difficult to get in to, especially when you get frustrated with drawing. You talk about stuff being hopelessly out of reach How about you attempt it? Allow yourself to fail. Maybe just sketch/plan the drawing or parts it or just make a complete mess on paper and burn it afterwards.   One somewhat silly way of trying to touch the \"fun\" part of drawing is to force yourself to fill a paper with simple monochrome shapes like spirals ending with a dot in the center, tiny flowers or bubbles. Deliberately imperfect. Hang this painting on your wall. Watch how your perception of the painting changes over the next days (try this with you sketches as well!). If you feel a bit more positive about your creation, carry this feeling into your next drawing. If you remain frustrated by what you see, explore why you feel that way.", "human_ref_B": "I relate to a lot of what you're expressing.  It helps me that the lessons emphasize that you arent supposed to be able to do all the exercises perfectly. The lines aren't going to all be straight or perfectly lined up, but aiming for that is good practice.   I also have the problem of feeling like everything that would be fun to draw is out of reach. I think that something that is helping me to start to get over this is to just start drawing it and acknowledge that it won't be what I want yet. Then use what you dont like about it to figure out what to learn next.   I just drew my first fan art yesterday and I feel both proud and embarrassed of it. But its just a little sketch and I already see all the things I can improve next time! I think it also helps to do lots of little/simple drawings for fun so that it's easier to not feel discouraged when one ends up really bad.   I would also recommend to keep going with drawabox. It has helped me gain a lot of confidence and to feel happier with the fun drawings I do. (And I'm only just starting lesson 2).   Good luck and I hope you have fun with drawing!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 1590.0, "score_ratio": 3.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 195.0, "score_ratio": 1.1818181818, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 72049.0, "score_ratio": 1.4444444444, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 66977.0, "score_ratio": 1.1818181818, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 38997.0, "score_ratio": 1.3, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u72d", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806834, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 25377.0, "score_ratio": 1.3, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 63613.0, "score_ratio": 1.4444444444, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u4ra", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806790, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 25421.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 72096.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 65558.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr13mb6", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589812606, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 19605.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fr15zrs", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589813902, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 18309.0, "score_ratio": 1.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 70292.0, "score_ratio": 1.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 68829.0, "score_ratio": 1.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 68558.0, "score_ratio": 2.1666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 40412.0, "score_ratio": 1.625, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 71753.0, "score_ratio": 2.6, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr26yvz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832211, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 13, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 62864.0, "score_ratio": 1.8571428571, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 71231.0, "score_ratio": 3.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fr14dt9", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589813028, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "Wobbly lines will get less wobbly with experience, as long as you are actively checking your technique, like posture etc., so you avoid any errors creeping in.  Drawing for fun can be difficult to get in to, especially when you get frustrated with drawing. You talk about stuff being hopelessly out of reach How about you attempt it? Allow yourself to fail. Maybe just sketch/plan the drawing or parts it or just make a complete mess on paper and burn it afterwards.   One somewhat silly way of trying to touch the \"fun\" part of drawing is to force yourself to fill a paper with simple monochrome shapes like spirals ending with a dot in the center, tiny flowers or bubbles. Deliberately imperfect. Hang this painting on your wall. Watch how your perception of the painting changes over the next days (try this with you sketches as well!). If you feel a bit more positive about your creation, carry this feeling into your next drawing. If you remain frustrated by what you see, explore why you feel that way.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 19183.0, "score_ratio": 3.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26yvz", "c_root_id_B": "fr21h52", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832211, "created_at_utc_B": 1589829529, "score_A": 13, "score_B": 2, "human_ref_A": "I\u2019ve been drawing and painting since I was a toddler, 33 now, and I still can\u2019t draw a straight line. It\u2019s kinda pointless to learn unless you\u2019re trying to be an industrial designer. There are so many programs that can do it for you. When drawing traditionally, use a ruler if you \u201cneed\u201d to have perfectly straight lines.   Also, why continue trying to draw if its not fun and feels like work? Seems like you\u2019ve put pressure on yourself to do something you don\u2019t like and don\u2019t know how to do. I\u2019d love to be able to skateboard like a pro, and I skate everyday but I\u2019m nowhere near being considered good. But I do it because it is fun and I get good exercise. Sure it\u2019s tough, but I like it and that\u2019s the most important thing. Don\u2019t waste your time with shit you don\u2019t like or doesn\u2019t interest you. If you feel like it\u2019s something you really want to do, realize learning to draw and paint is a mountain that takes a life time to summit (spoiler alert - there is no summit)", "human_ref_B": "I feel the same thing with my german language. So what I do as a way to build up my motivation is to do it for at least 20 mins uninterrupted. Little by little.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 2682.0, "score_ratio": 6.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 71854.0, "score_ratio": 1.2222222222, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 38802.0, "score_ratio": 1.1, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 25182.0, "score_ratio": 1.1, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzjbz6", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768598, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 63418.0, "score_ratio": 1.2222222222, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u4ra", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806790, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 25226.0, "score_ratio": 1.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fqz56db", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760115, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 71901.0, "score_ratio": 1.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 65363.0, "score_ratio": 1.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fr13mb6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589812606, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 19410.0, "score_ratio": 1.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fr15zrs", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589813902, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 18114.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 70097.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 68634.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 68363.0, "score_ratio": 1.8333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 40217.0, "score_ratio": 1.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 71558.0, "score_ratio": 2.2, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 62669.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr26kqa", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589832016, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 71036.0, "score_ratio": 2.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr14dt9", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813028, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "Wobbly lines will get less wobbly with experience, as long as you are actively checking your technique, like posture etc., so you avoid any errors creeping in.  Drawing for fun can be difficult to get in to, especially when you get frustrated with drawing. You talk about stuff being hopelessly out of reach How about you attempt it? Allow yourself to fail. Maybe just sketch/plan the drawing or parts it or just make a complete mess on paper and burn it afterwards.   One somewhat silly way of trying to touch the \"fun\" part of drawing is to force yourself to fill a paper with simple monochrome shapes like spirals ending with a dot in the center, tiny flowers or bubbles. Deliberately imperfect. Hang this painting on your wall. Watch how your perception of the painting changes over the next days (try this with you sketches as well!). If you feel a bit more positive about your creation, carry this feeling into your next drawing. If you remain frustrated by what you see, explore why you feel that way.", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 18988.0, "score_ratio": 2.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr21h52", "c_root_id_B": "fr26kqa", "created_at_utc_A": 1589829529, "created_at_utc_B": 1589832016, "score_A": 2, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "I feel the same thing with my german language. So what I do as a way to build up my motivation is to do it for at least 20 mins uninterrupted. Little by little.", "human_ref_B": "Don't beat yourself up over it. After my TIA-stroke, my circles looked like jagged squares. I have tremors and problems with my finer motorskills in my hands. Nowadays I have a growing webcomic with about 200 visitors a day. If I could do it, you can too!   The other issue seems to be motivation. If you don't know what to draw, try your hands at fan art. It is a great way to practice and have fun at the same time! Good luck and don't give up!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 2487.0, "score_ratio": 5.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 5072.0, "score_ratio": 1.2222222222, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 33052.0, "score_ratio": 1.1111111111, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz59fz", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760162, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 46672.0, "score_ratio": 1.1111111111, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fqz59fz", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760162, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "If you are following the instructions then you are doing them correctly.  Competence, overcoming the wobbly lines, comes with time and practice as you work through the later lessons and do these beginner exercises as warmups.  Don't sit and do the same exercise repeatedly, beyond the prescribed amounts.  Don't grind.  Often people on discord are happy to give you quick tips if you go in and ask for advice on specific things.  Automatic Drawing has helped me rediscover the fun of drawing.  Also things like zen doodles.  I found I was being too demanding on myself.  It was helpful just to let go of high expectations and enjoy the basic act of putting pen to paper.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 47.0, "score_ratio": 1.125, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fqz56db", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760115, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 5119.0, "score_ratio": 1.375, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 3315.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fqzdr2q", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589765234, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 11, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 1852.0, "score_ratio": 1.5714285714, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 1581.0, "score_ratio": 1.8333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 4776.0, "score_ratio": 2.2, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzdr2q", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589765234, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 11, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "I won't compound on to what others have said about the first lesson, but rather give my two cents on the fun of it. I too find it quite hard to make time for art if I don't have motivation. The best I can suggest is doodle. Sure it's not SERIOUS art in the strictest sense, but it's relaxing and fun, especially when you're just idly watching something. I find it helps focus my mind, and often times I find myself practicing something like shading, or doing patterns that appeal to my eye. Put on a show, pull out something to draw with, and let your mind immerse itself in the show. Your hand will take care of the rest.  You'll find you don't take it as seriously and as a result experiment more.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 4254.0, "score_ratio": 2.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 24616.0, "score_ratio": 1.1111111111, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 33099.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 26561.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 31295.0, "score_ratio": 1.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 29832.0, "score_ratio": 1.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 29561.0, "score_ratio": 1.6666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fr0djwe", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589791799, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 1415.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 32756.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0eyao", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589793214, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 23867.0, "score_ratio": 1.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fr0eyao", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589793214, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "Lesson one is hard. Wobbly lines means you are thinking too much and/or moving your hand too slow. Draw a small medium line. Trace it, repeat and gradually go faster.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 32234.0, "score_ratio": 2.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u72d", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806834, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 38236.0, "score_ratio": 1.1111111111, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u72d", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u4ra", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806834, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806790, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "human_ref_B": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 44.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 46719.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 40181.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 44915.0, "score_ratio": 1.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u72d", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806834, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 43452.0, "score_ratio": 1.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 43181.0, "score_ratio": 1.6666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 15035.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u72d", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806834, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 46376.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 37487.0, "score_ratio": 1.4285714286, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u72d", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806834, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 10, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "Not a fan of DaB ... but maybe \"drawing\" is just not your thing? Have you considered architectural drawings? Architecture would allow you linear interpretation with rulers, pens and pencils, adjustable triangles, T-squares, compass, and French curves? You might discover a more satisfying outlet plus an interest you didn't know you had.  You don't *need* to do art. Either you love it enough it compels you or it doesn't. Art should never cause you anxiety.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 45854.0, "score_ratio": 2.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz56db", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760115, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Two things here.   First, \"too low skill for lesson 1\" is not a thing. A lot of people's lines start wobbly. Keep going, focusing on what Uncomforatble mentions in the lesson. Use your shoulder, be confident, don't use your elbow/wrist, don't try to correct a line midway through, and it'll get better.  Now, onto \"I can only see art as work that I need to do.\" If that's truly the case, why are you doing it? What do you want to be able to draw after 8 lessons of this? Draw that. Even if it's bad, draw it.", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 8483.0, "score_ratio": 1.125, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 1945.0, "score_ratio": 1.125, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 6679.0, "score_ratio": 1.2857142857, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 5216.0, "score_ratio": 1.2857142857, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 4945.0, "score_ratio": 1.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fqzjbz6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589768598, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 9, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 8140.0, "score_ratio": 1.8, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzjbz6", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589768598, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 9, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "Hey mate!  I had no prior drawing experience before I started lesson 1. Sometimes I would finish the homework in the lesson and feel dissatisfied that my legs didn\u2019t look as pretty as some of the others here.  But I kept with it and I wouldn\u2019t call my lines perfect; I still have a lot of room to grow mechanically. But it starts here and the lessons are designed to be progressive, so you learn bit by bit.  Stick with it, and make sure you keep progressing and you\u2019ll be able to look back on some of the first sheets of Lesson 1 with pride of how far you\u2019ve come.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 7618.0, "score_ratio": 2.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u4ra", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806790, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 44871.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u4ra", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806790, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 43408.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u4ra", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806790, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 43137.0, "score_ratio": 1.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u4ra", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806790, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 46332.0, "score_ratio": 1.6, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr0u4ra", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589806790, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 37443.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0u4ra", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589806790, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "Why work at a hobby if you hate it?  For example I hate the idea of gutting fish, so thusly I don't learn to gut fish for a hobby?", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 45810.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 4734.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 3271.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 3000.0, "score_ratio": 1.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fqzg4po", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589766653, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 6195.0, "score_ratio": 1.6, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzg4po", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589766653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "We all start somewhere. All you have to do is put in the time and talk to people and you'll improve.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 5673.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fr13mb6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589812606, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 50687.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzan3e", "c_root_id_B": "fr13mb6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763382, "created_at_utc_B": 1589812606, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "human_ref_B": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 49224.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr13mb6", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589812606, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 48953.0, "score_ratio": 1.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr13mb6", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589812606, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 52148.0, "score_ratio": 1.6, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr13mb6", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589812606, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 43259.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fr13mb6", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589812606, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "I'm a tattoo artist and one of the things my mentor made me do was trace all the lines in a college ruled 3 subject notebook. I hated every second of it. Day after day after day of lines and cleaning up the shop. After about a week I hated pencils, pens, paper and I thought he was just giving me busy work. Finally when I was almost done, I booked an appointment for a small tattoo. The noticeable improvement in my line work was insane. I'll never tell him I'm grateful for it because I'm a stubborn bitch, but it was helpful. Also in high school my art teacher had us blind-draw cow skulls and old sneakers for almost half the year. I also hated that and thought about how stupid it was and how I'm not going to specialize in shoes and cows my whole life. I now realize it was practice for proportion and detail.  Now, all that said, if you don't want to draw because you're not really interested in drawing and just want a new skill, I don't recommend drawing. Sculpting is my \"nah fuck this doodle\" activity and refreshes me for drawing.  I also need some sort of \"boss\" or \"teacher\" to force me to do things because I'm better motivated when I think I'll disappoint someone. I often assign this role to my husband for things like finishing cleaning the house or working on a drawing I promised for someone. Maybe you can have someone give you a deadline and see if it helps? I work best in a time crunch and with someone checking on my progress now and then.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 51626.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr15zrs", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813902, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 50249.0, "score_ratio": 1.1666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr15zrs", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813902, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 53444.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr15zrs", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813902, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 52922.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr14dt9", "c_root_id_B": "fr15zrs", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813028, "created_at_utc_B": 1589813902, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Wobbly lines will get less wobbly with experience, as long as you are actively checking your technique, like posture etc., so you avoid any errors creeping in.  Drawing for fun can be difficult to get in to, especially when you get frustrated with drawing. You talk about stuff being hopelessly out of reach How about you attempt it? Allow yourself to fail. Maybe just sketch/plan the drawing or parts it or just make a complete mess on paper and burn it afterwards.   One somewhat silly way of trying to touch the \"fun\" part of drawing is to force yourself to fill a paper with simple monochrome shapes like spirals ending with a dot in the center, tiny flowers or bubbles. Deliberately imperfect. Hang this painting on your wall. Watch how your perception of the painting changes over the next days (try this with you sketches as well!). If you feel a bit more positive about your creation, carry this feeling into your next drawing. If you remain frustrated by what you see, explore why you feel that way.", "human_ref_B": "I feel you.  For most of my life I had super shakey hands.  My lines were wobbly, even my hand writing had super wobbly lines.  I was on one end of that extreme.  People brought it up my whole life even into my professional (non art) career.  However now, my lines no longer do this and I'll offer what changed that for me.  Like others have mentioned, drawing with your body, not your hand is important.  You have much more control with your shoulder then your fingers.  But if you haven't developed that you need to work on it.  Just like any other muscle, those muscles need exercise to develop.  The things that helped me develop those muscles was woodworking.  Mainly handsawing and using a chisel (with no hammer).  I wouldn't clamp down what I was sawing either, so my left hand would hold down the wood, my right would cut straight lines (at least now).  (Clamping your wood is much safer)  The muscles are the exact same as when you're drawing.  This really developed those drawing muscles.  I had stopped even trying to draw, but after becoming proficient at sawing, I noticed that my writing was becoming better.  Eventually I dove back into trying to draw and was shocked at how much I had improved, even though it was not through drawing.  The other practice that got rid of wobble was meditation.  There is a lot of interesting research here.  But one tidbit, that I think is important is that meditation is the strongest promoter of new neural growth, especially in adulthood.  Even for a traumatic brain injury, the best neurological healing comes from meditation.  Well then it can't hurt to practice this as maybe you need some new neurons to help control those muscles.  Eating foods that promote neuronal growth can't hurt.  You can search food for neurogenesis to find those.  Both these things made a bigger difference in my drawing then practicing drawing.  My deficit was pretty bad and I managed to overcome it so I think you can too.  I'm sure there are other ways to build these control muscles in your arm/body if woodworking isn't your thing.  The meditation has no equal for neural growth according to current research.  *Edit: I also wanted to add, that physical exercise, lifting weights did not make a noticeable improvement to my wobble.  It wasn't until I did high strength, fine control work with my arms that it started improving.  And I did combine meditation while sawing to improve my saw control.  tl;dr: build the control muscles in your wrist/arms/shoulder/back and grow new neurons.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 874.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 29880.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fqz87hy", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589761919, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 1461.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz87hy", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589761919, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "Uncomfortable mentioned that some Drawabox Completionist still struggle a bit doing the previous lessons. It's not that your skill level is too low it's just that it takes a long time to master these skills. Even if you finish Drawabox it doesn't mean that you've \"mastered\" all of the skills there that's why even if you complete them the struggle is still there.      The only thing you have to do is follow the lesson correctly then ask for critques then move on. If people ask you to do revision then do it.  Try hanging out on the Drawabox Discord Server I think they can help you on your issue if you feel stuck.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 939.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 28417.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 2924.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fqzan3e", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763382, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "The point of an exercise is to get better, not to demonstrate a skill. The worse you are, the more you get out of it.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 2402.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fr0djwe", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589791799, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 28146.0, "score_ratio": 1.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 3195.0, "score_ratio": 1.2, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzb3ix", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589763653, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 6, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 5694.0, "score_ratio": 1.1666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr5jtiu", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589909731, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": ">The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise **correctly** seems beyond me.  There's your problem right there, and sit down because this requires a complete paradigm shift, which will save you hundreds of hours down the road.  firstly, there is no correctly, the exercises are such that no HUMAN will ever do a perfect set of superimposed lines, or even close to perfect, will a human ever be able to draw a perfect freehand circle? or a perfect freehand ellipse?  Uncomfortable updates the lectures on a yearly basis, the ones i saw a few years ago he briefly touched on the topic of imperfection, im paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of \"having impeccable and perfect perspective in your drawings somehow makes them worse, something about too perfect drawings throws people off, and you can't quite put your finger on it\".  Sit on that for a while,  the imperfections are what make your drawings alive.   >I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.  This a BS half truth, you've somehow convinced yourself that its true just because you're right now frustrated and on the verge of giving up.  believe it or not, early on when i was just starting to take drawing seriously, i was obsessed with a similar exercise mentioned in H2DR, where you're supposed to draw parallel lines, for atleast two years i did nothing but that exercise, i have a mountain full of sketchbooks to prove it in my drawer. and going into draw-a-box i still had a firm belief that in order to be a good artist i first had to master being able to draw a straight line.  The problem with self teaching is that one can get stuck and no one can help you, you have to help yourself.  But worry not, draw-a-box is one of the best courses available to beginners to teach them exactly what they need to learn. Just submit your homework, even if its the worst in the world, and move on to lesson 2 or 250 cubes challenge. Paid critiques will bring a better peace of mind so go with those.  DM me if you have any further questions about what you should do, because i can write essays worth of material on this.", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 146078.0, "score_ratio": 1.1666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fqzb3ix", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589763653, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "Just do lessons. Stop getting up on your skill level. The skill will come from repetition.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 2673.0, "score_ratio": 1.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fr0djwe", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589791799, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 31341.0, "score_ratio": 1.6, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fr0djwe", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589791799, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 22452.0, "score_ratio": 1.1428571429, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr0djwe", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589791799, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 8, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "I find that when I draw, there's a stage I can get stuck in where I'm just....thinking too much. And it becomes frustrating, daunting, demotivating, and generally not a fun experience. Recently (with the whole quarantine thing) I've really enjoyed just sitting at my desk and playing some good music, or even some dumb show or youtube channel, and doodling while my brain is focused on that. When I do that I find my drawings are so much better-- they're looser and  even though I'm bad at the actual techniques, it feels more like I'm developing the instinct and making actual progress. Plus, it's really pleasant to just vibe with the music and lose my thoughts sketching something out. It's really been a struggle for me to get out of that \"think hard about every line\" stage and this \"vibing\" method has been helping a ton. I hope that's helpful!", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 30819.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqzkjxc", "c_root_id_B": "fqz5rkh", "created_at_utc_A": 1589769347, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760458, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "human_ref_B": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 8889.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz5rkh", "c_root_id_B": "fr5jtiu", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760458, "created_at_utc_B": 1589909731, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "What is it you want to draw? We might be able to nudge you in the right direction with resources for that stuff in particular. This road is pretty long if you\u2019re not having fun along the way.  And the first lesson is supposed to be pretty rough. This stuff is the boot camp of draftsmanship, so don\u2019t worry if you have wonky lines. Everyone starts somewhere and if you practice with focus it is inevitable that you will improve :)", "human_ref_B": ">The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise **correctly** seems beyond me.  There's your problem right there, and sit down because this requires a complete paradigm shift, which will save you hundreds of hours down the road.  firstly, there is no correctly, the exercises are such that no HUMAN will ever do a perfect set of superimposed lines, or even close to perfect, will a human ever be able to draw a perfect freehand circle? or a perfect freehand ellipse?  Uncomfortable updates the lectures on a yearly basis, the ones i saw a few years ago he briefly touched on the topic of imperfection, im paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of \"having impeccable and perfect perspective in your drawings somehow makes them worse, something about too perfect drawings throws people off, and you can't quite put your finger on it\".  Sit on that for a while,  the imperfections are what make your drawings alive.   >I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.  This a BS half truth, you've somehow convinced yourself that its true just because you're right now frustrated and on the verge of giving up.  believe it or not, early on when i was just starting to take drawing seriously, i was obsessed with a similar exercise mentioned in H2DR, where you're supposed to draw parallel lines, for atleast two years i did nothing but that exercise, i have a mountain full of sketchbooks to prove it in my drawer. and going into draw-a-box i still had a firm belief that in order to be a good artist i first had to master being able to draw a straight line.  The problem with self teaching is that one can get stuck and no one can help you, you have to help yourself.  But worry not, draw-a-box is one of the best courses available to beginners to teach them exactly what they need to learn. Just submit your homework, even if its the worst in the world, and move on to lesson 2 or 250 cubes challenge. Paid critiques will bring a better peace of mind so go with those.  DM me if you have any further questions about what you should do, because i can write essays worth of material on this.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 149273.0, "score_ratio": 1.4, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fqz6n7w", "c_root_id_B": "fqzkjxc", "created_at_utc_A": 1589760980, "created_at_utc_B": 1589769347, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "human_ref_B": "try practicing lines for a few pages when you sketch. if you make the beginning and end points of the line more built than the rest of the line it can help it appear more defined and clear. quick motions with the arm downwards (towards your body) seem to produce the straightest line  hope this helps", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 8367.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr5jtiu", "c_root_id_B": "fqz6n7w", "created_at_utc_A": 1589909731, "created_at_utc_B": 1589760980, "score_A": 7, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": ">The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise **correctly** seems beyond me.  There's your problem right there, and sit down because this requires a complete paradigm shift, which will save you hundreds of hours down the road.  firstly, there is no correctly, the exercises are such that no HUMAN will ever do a perfect set of superimposed lines, or even close to perfect, will a human ever be able to draw a perfect freehand circle? or a perfect freehand ellipse?  Uncomfortable updates the lectures on a yearly basis, the ones i saw a few years ago he briefly touched on the topic of imperfection, im paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of \"having impeccable and perfect perspective in your drawings somehow makes them worse, something about too perfect drawings throws people off, and you can't quite put your finger on it\".  Sit on that for a while,  the imperfections are what make your drawings alive.   >I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.  This a BS half truth, you've somehow convinced yourself that its true just because you're right now frustrated and on the verge of giving up.  believe it or not, early on when i was just starting to take drawing seriously, i was obsessed with a similar exercise mentioned in H2DR, where you're supposed to draw parallel lines, for atleast two years i did nothing but that exercise, i have a mountain full of sketchbooks to prove it in my drawer. and going into draw-a-box i still had a firm belief that in order to be a good artist i first had to master being able to draw a straight line.  The problem with self teaching is that one can get stuck and no one can help you, you have to help yourself.  But worry not, draw-a-box is one of the best courses available to beginners to teach them exactly what they need to learn. Just submit your homework, even if its the worst in the world, and move on to lesson 2 or 250 cubes challenge. Paid critiques will bring a better peace of mind so go with those.  DM me if you have any further questions about what you should do, because i can write essays worth of material on this.", "human_ref_B": "I know how hopeless and out of reach some goals seem. But honestly just keep at it! The feeling will pass and so look forward to feeling accomplished. Just think SOMEDAY I will be awesome. And doing these exercises is a step in the right direction so do the lessons for the prescribed time. As for drawing for fun. I dont know if this will help but for me I used to sit around and think about drawing things I wanted to draw instead of actually drawing them. So if whenever you're sitting around and you liked something visually ir an idea pops into your head. Just start drawing. And if no idea pops into your head then put on some background music or tv show and start doodling. There was a proko video about automatic drawing and I ended making a whole drawing out of the concept. Hope this helps. Everyone feels this way and you're not alone but realise that these are fleeting feelings and just focus on getting better.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 148751.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr14dt9", "c_root_id_B": "fr5jtiu", "created_at_utc_A": 1589813028, "created_at_utc_B": 1589909731, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "Wobbly lines will get less wobbly with experience, as long as you are actively checking your technique, like posture etc., so you avoid any errors creeping in.  Drawing for fun can be difficult to get in to, especially when you get frustrated with drawing. You talk about stuff being hopelessly out of reach How about you attempt it? Allow yourself to fail. Maybe just sketch/plan the drawing or parts it or just make a complete mess on paper and burn it afterwards.   One somewhat silly way of trying to touch the \"fun\" part of drawing is to force yourself to fill a paper with simple monochrome shapes like spirals ending with a dot in the center, tiny flowers or bubbles. Deliberately imperfect. Hang this painting on your wall. Watch how your perception of the painting changes over the next days (try this with you sketches as well!). If you feel a bit more positive about your creation, carry this feeling into your next drawing. If you remain frustrated by what you see, explore why you feel that way.", "human_ref_B": ">The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise **correctly** seems beyond me.  There's your problem right there, and sit down because this requires a complete paradigm shift, which will save you hundreds of hours down the road.  firstly, there is no correctly, the exercises are such that no HUMAN will ever do a perfect set of superimposed lines, or even close to perfect, will a human ever be able to draw a perfect freehand circle? or a perfect freehand ellipse?  Uncomfortable updates the lectures on a yearly basis, the ones i saw a few years ago he briefly touched on the topic of imperfection, im paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of \"having impeccable and perfect perspective in your drawings somehow makes them worse, something about too perfect drawings throws people off, and you can't quite put your finger on it\".  Sit on that for a while,  the imperfections are what make your drawings alive.   >I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.  This a BS half truth, you've somehow convinced yourself that its true just because you're right now frustrated and on the verge of giving up.  believe it or not, early on when i was just starting to take drawing seriously, i was obsessed with a similar exercise mentioned in H2DR, where you're supposed to draw parallel lines, for atleast two years i did nothing but that exercise, i have a mountain full of sketchbooks to prove it in my drawer. and going into draw-a-box i still had a firm belief that in order to be a good artist i first had to master being able to draw a straight line.  The problem with self teaching is that one can get stuck and no one can help you, you have to help yourself.  But worry not, draw-a-box is one of the best courses available to beginners to teach them exactly what they need to learn. Just submit your homework, even if its the worst in the world, and move on to lesson 2 or 250 cubes challenge. Paid critiques will bring a better peace of mind so go with those.  DM me if you have any further questions about what you should do, because i can write essays worth of material on this.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 96703.0, "score_ratio": 1.75, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "glo7dk", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.98, "history": "I feel like my skill level is too low for even Lesson One. I'm trying to do the superimposed lines and everything I do is wobbly. I can't even get close to a line that actually lines up with the straight line. The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise correctly seems beyond me.    I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.", "c_root_id_A": "fr21h52", "c_root_id_B": "fr5jtiu", "created_at_utc_A": 1589829529, "created_at_utc_B": 1589909731, "score_A": 2, "score_B": 7, "human_ref_A": "I feel the same thing with my german language. So what I do as a way to build up my motivation is to do it for at least 20 mins uninterrupted. Little by little.", "human_ref_B": ">The necessary skill needed to even do the first exercise **correctly** seems beyond me.  There's your problem right there, and sit down because this requires a complete paradigm shift, which will save you hundreds of hours down the road.  firstly, there is no correctly, the exercises are such that no HUMAN will ever do a perfect set of superimposed lines, or even close to perfect, will a human ever be able to draw a perfect freehand circle? or a perfect freehand ellipse?  Uncomfortable updates the lectures on a yearly basis, the ones i saw a few years ago he briefly touched on the topic of imperfection, im paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of \"having impeccable and perfect perspective in your drawings somehow makes them worse, something about too perfect drawings throws people off, and you can't quite put your finger on it\".  Sit on that for a while,  the imperfections are what make your drawings alive.   >I also don't know how to draw for fun. I can only see art as work that I need to do. I can't visualize it as a fun thing. I can't even get myself to sit down and just draw for an hour. The stuff that I want to draw feels hopelessly out of reach. But I can't let myself give up on learning to draw this time. I can't let something being hopelessly difficult and unfun stop me from sticking with it.  This a BS half truth, you've somehow convinced yourself that its true just because you're right now frustrated and on the verge of giving up.  believe it or not, early on when i was just starting to take drawing seriously, i was obsessed with a similar exercise mentioned in H2DR, where you're supposed to draw parallel lines, for atleast two years i did nothing but that exercise, i have a mountain full of sketchbooks to prove it in my drawer. and going into draw-a-box i still had a firm belief that in order to be a good artist i first had to master being able to draw a straight line.  The problem with self teaching is that one can get stuck and no one can help you, you have to help yourself.  But worry not, draw-a-box is one of the best courses available to beginners to teach them exactly what they need to learn. Just submit your homework, even if its the worst in the world, and move on to lesson 2 or 250 cubes challenge. Paid critiques will bring a better peace of mind so go with those.  DM me if you have any further questions about what you should do, because i can write essays worth of material on this.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 80202.0, "score_ratio": 3.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "grjbdr", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "[Question] How do you guys draw ellipses? I am having trouble drawing the ellipses and I don't seem to know whether I'm doing it right or not. Do I need to just know how to draw one ellipse and rotate the page or do I need to know how to draw two ellipses? (One tilting left and one tilting right)  Is it just like the line exercises wherein you only need to draw one line and develop the muscle memory?", "c_root_id_A": "fs1kbuz", "c_root_id_B": "fs1scz3", "created_at_utc_A": 1590629939, "created_at_utc_B": 1590634622, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "Try the drafting approach", "human_ref_B": "Hi all! Im new to this page. Where do I start? What lesson do I start with 1st?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 4683.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "grjbdr", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "[Question] How do you guys draw ellipses? I am having trouble drawing the ellipses and I don't seem to know whether I'm doing it right or not. Do I need to just know how to draw one ellipse and rotate the page or do I need to know how to draw two ellipses? (One tilting left and one tilting right)  Is it just like the line exercises wherein you only need to draw one line and develop the muscle memory?", "c_root_id_A": "fs13do0", "c_root_id_B": "fs1kbuz", "created_at_utc_A": 1590620569, "created_at_utc_B": 1590629939, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "If you are trying to draw one ellipse, with one try and one rotation, then that is nearly impossible for a human being to do correctly. To get it perfect, you're gonna need to use a pencil, with an eraser, using a graphical approach. No compass, ruler or protractor? Just draw the ellipse over and over again, in the same space, then erase the outlining errors to get one bold ellipse \ud83d\ude01 (Leonardo da Vinci Method: DO NOT LIFT THE PENCIL, use the eraser and shade later)", "human_ref_B": "Try the drafting approach", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 9370.0, "score_ratio": 1.3333333333, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "grjbdr", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.97, "history": "[Question] How do you guys draw ellipses? I am having trouble drawing the ellipses and I don't seem to know whether I'm doing it right or not. Do I need to just know how to draw one ellipse and rotate the page or do I need to know how to draw two ellipses? (One tilting left and one tilting right)  Is it just like the line exercises wherein you only need to draw one line and develop the muscle memory?", "c_root_id_A": "fs13do0", "c_root_id_B": "fs1scz3", "created_at_utc_A": 1590620569, "created_at_utc_B": 1590634622, "score_A": 3, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "If you are trying to draw one ellipse, with one try and one rotation, then that is nearly impossible for a human being to do correctly. To get it perfect, you're gonna need to use a pencil, with an eraser, using a graphical approach. No compass, ruler or protractor? Just draw the ellipse over and over again, in the same space, then erase the outlining errors to get one bold ellipse \ud83d\ude01 (Leonardo da Vinci Method: DO NOT LIFT THE PENCIL, use the eraser and shade later)", "human_ref_B": "Hi all! Im new to this page. Where do I start? What lesson do I start with 1st?", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 14053.0, "score_ratio": 1.6666666667, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "tn62p0", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.91, "history": "When am I meant to do the challenges and drills? I just finished Lesson 1 lines, ellipses and boxes and I wasn't once prompted to do any of the challenges.  However the description for the challenges and drills says they will be listed as recommended next steps.  As much as I don't want to draw 500 boxes and cylinders I feel like I have to if I want to be able to draw.   Any idea when I'm meant to do them or can I just skip them?", "c_root_id_A": "i20dfuk", "c_root_id_B": "i22kwg3", "created_at_utc_A": 1648171884, "created_at_utc_B": 1648219843, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "You may have missed this page at the end of Lesson 1. It explains that the next step after you've had your work reviewed and marked as complete is to move onto the 250 box challenge. You can also follow to the next step by using the links below each page - they lead to the next page of the same lesson, then when you hit the end of the lesson, it continues onto the challenge or lesson that you are recommended to complete next.", "human_ref_B": "Well here's the short end. Yes you have to do 250 boxes if you want to move onto lesson 2. If you want to move onto lesson 5 you have to do 250 cylinders. The good news is you don't have to do the boxes and cylinders at the same time. The other challenges I feel are more optional unless you want to tackle the vehicle lesson which is six. Me personally I feel because of what i want to draw will not be vehicles, the only challenges I would do are boxes and cylinders.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 47959.0, "score_ratio": 2.0, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "tn62p0", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.91, "history": "When am I meant to do the challenges and drills? I just finished Lesson 1 lines, ellipses and boxes and I wasn't once prompted to do any of the challenges.  However the description for the challenges and drills says they will be listed as recommended next steps.  As much as I don't want to draw 500 boxes and cylinders I feel like I have to if I want to be able to draw.   Any idea when I'm meant to do them or can I just skip them?", "c_root_id_A": "i20zcs4", "c_root_id_B": "i22kwg3", "created_at_utc_A": 1648182539, "created_at_utc_B": 1648219843, "score_A": 5, "score_B": 8, "human_ref_A": "i just want to pop in because i see you saying you're hesitating on wanting to do the challenges- I haven't done them yet, and I have very little experience, but personally the only way I've managed to convince myself to do them is using them as \"permission\" to just sort of do whatever you want when drawing outside of exercises because enough repetitive drawings of the boxes will hopefully break any bad habits. i don't know if that mindset would help you considering how i only probably benefit from it because of how anxious i tend to be but i thought sharing could help maybe", "human_ref_B": "Well here's the short end. Yes you have to do 250 boxes if you want to move onto lesson 2. If you want to move onto lesson 5 you have to do 250 cylinders. The good news is you don't have to do the boxes and cylinders at the same time. The other challenges I feel are more optional unless you want to tackle the vehicle lesson which is six. Me personally I feel because of what i want to draw will not be vehicles, the only challenges I would do are boxes and cylinders.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 37304.0, "score_ratio": 1.6, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "tn62p0", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 0.91, "history": "When am I meant to do the challenges and drills? I just finished Lesson 1 lines, ellipses and boxes and I wasn't once prompted to do any of the challenges.  However the description for the challenges and drills says they will be listed as recommended next steps.  As much as I don't want to draw 500 boxes and cylinders I feel like I have to if I want to be able to draw.   Any idea when I'm meant to do them or can I just skip them?", "c_root_id_A": "i20dfuk", "c_root_id_B": "i20zcs4", "created_at_utc_A": 1648171884, "created_at_utc_B": 1648182539, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 5, "human_ref_A": "You may have missed this page at the end of Lesson 1. It explains that the next step after you've had your work reviewed and marked as complete is to move onto the 250 box challenge. You can also follow to the next step by using the links below each page - they lead to the next page of the same lesson, then when you hit the end of the lesson, it continues onto the challenge or lesson that you are recommended to complete next.", "human_ref_B": "i just want to pop in because i see you saying you're hesitating on wanting to do the challenges- I haven't done them yet, and I have very little experience, but personally the only way I've managed to convince myself to do them is using them as \"permission\" to just sort of do whatever you want when drawing outside of exercises because enough repetitive drawings of the boxes will hopefully break any bad habits. i don't know if that mindset would help you considering how i only probably benefit from it because of how anxious i tend to be but i thought sharing could help maybe", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 10655.0, "score_ratio": 1.25, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "pce255", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 1.0, "history": "If I stop, how should I go back? Hi! Question here.  I finished Lesson 01 and started the 250 Boxes Challenge, but for health reasons, I had to stop short of 100 boxes about a month and a half ago. Actually, I couldn't draw anything during this time.   My question is: Should I resume from where I stopped, or from the beginning of the 250 Boxes, Or should I start all over again?   BTW, if someone stops for an extended period of time, what's the best way to return?", "c_root_id_A": "hailsla", "c_root_id_B": "haijhbv", "created_at_utc_A": 1630037730, "created_at_utc_B": 1630036503, "score_A": 10, "score_B": 4, "human_ref_A": "The best way to return is to do a few warm ups to get back into it and then continue, a month and a half isn't enough time to need to start over.", "human_ref_B": "Pick up where left off. You'll give him if you push yourself too hard.  You can always do 350 if you want more practise when you're done.", "labels": 1, "seconds_difference": 1227.0, "score_ratio": 2.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}
{"post_id": "pce255", "domain": "artfundamentals_test", "upvote_ratio": 1.0, "history": "If I stop, how should I go back? Hi! Question here.  I finished Lesson 01 and started the 250 Boxes Challenge, but for health reasons, I had to stop short of 100 boxes about a month and a half ago. Actually, I couldn't draw anything during this time.   My question is: Should I resume from where I stopped, or from the beginning of the 250 Boxes, Or should I start all over again?   BTW, if someone stops for an extended period of time, what's the best way to return?", "c_root_id_A": "haijhbv", "c_root_id_B": "hajsnwv", "created_at_utc_A": 1630036503, "created_at_utc_B": 1630068232, "score_A": 4, "score_B": 6, "human_ref_A": "Pick up where left off. You'll give him if you push yourself too hard.  You can always do 350 if you want more practise when you're done.", "human_ref_B": "Hi.   I had a situation similar to yours, I burn out around box 150 or so, and stopped DaB for a month and a half. So, I decided to just carry on, since if I had to start from zero again I'd probably give up again.   In the end, did warm up sessions pages to get the hang of it again every time I started a new page, I also tried to keep more consistence instead of volume of work done per day.", "labels": 0, "seconds_difference": 31729.0, "score_ratio": 1.5, "metadata_A": "", "metadata_B": ""}