CREATE TABLE table_name_25 (attendance VARCHAR, visitor VARCHAR, record VARCHAR)

What was the total attendance at games when Detroit was the visiting team and the record was 36 13 5?
SELECT COUNT(attendance) FROM table_name_25 WHERE visitor = "detroit" AND record = "36–13–5"
SELECT COUNT("attendance") FROM "table_name_25" WHERE "36–13–5" = "record" AND "detroit" = "visitor"