CREATE TABLE table_25978 ("Year" FLOAT, "Starts" FLOAT, "Wins" FLOAT, "Top 10" FLOAT, "Poles" FLOAT, "Avg. Start" TEXT, "Avg. Finish" TEXT, "Winnings" TEXT, "Position" TEXT, "Team ( s ) " TEXT)

How many seasons did Ken Bouchard finish in 38th place?
SELECT COUNT("Year") FROM table_25978 WHERE "Position" = '38th'
SELECT COUNT("Year") FROM "table_25978" WHERE "Position" = '38th'