CREATE TABLE table_name_30 (grid INT, time_retired VARCHAR, laps VARCHAR)

What grid is the lowest when the time/retired is + 5 laps and the laps is less than 161?
SELECT MIN(grid) FROM table_name_30 WHERE time_retired = "+ 5 laps" AND laps < 161
SELECT MIN("grid") FROM "table_name_30" WHERE "+ 5 laps" = "time_retired" AND "laps" < 161