CREATE TABLE table_name_38 (overall INT, name VARCHAR, pick__number VARCHAR)

What is the average overall of John Ayres, who had a pick # greater than 4?
SELECT AVG(overall) FROM table_name_38 WHERE name = "john ayres" AND pick__number > 4
SELECT AVG("overall") FROM "table_name_38" WHERE "john ayres" = "name" AND "pick__number" > 4