CREATE TABLE table_12886178_4 (points_for VARCHAR, points VARCHAR, won VARCHAR)

What's the points for count for the club with 41 points and 8 won games?
SELECT points_for FROM table_12886178_4 WHERE points = "41" AND won = "8"
SELECT "points_for" FROM "table_12886178_4" WHERE "41" = "points" AND "8" = "won"