CREATE TABLE table_19112 ("Club" TEXT, "Played" TEXT, "Won" TEXT, "Drawn" TEXT, "Lost" TEXT, "Points for" TEXT, "Points against" TEXT, "Tries for" TEXT, "Tries against" TEXT, "Try bonus" TEXT, "Losing bonus" TEXT, "Points" TEXT)

how many points for with points against being 177
SELECT COUNT("Points for") FROM table_19112 WHERE "Points against" = '177'
SELECT COUNT("Points for") FROM "table_19112" WHERE "Points against" = '177'