CREATE TABLE table_52574 ("Player" TEXT, "Tries" TEXT, "Conv" TEXT, "Pens" TEXT, "Drop" TEXT, "Venue" TEXT, "Date" TEXT)

Which pens has 1 tries and matt alexander as a player with conv of 4?
SELECT "Pens" FROM table_52574 WHERE "Tries" = '1' AND "Player" = 'matt alexander' AND "Conv" = '4'
SELECT "Pens" FROM "table_52574" WHERE "Conv" = '4' AND "Player" = 'matt alexander' AND "Tries" = '1'