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Message Posted On Tuesday, February 19th 2008 at 6:12 pm
I suspect this issue has been raised before, but a little nitpick I have is that when there are 'Story' and 'Teleplay' contributors, there is generally not a 'Writer' and yet, 'Writer' is there with '(unknown)" next to it. It would be nice if a check could be made, and Writer not displayed if there is data in Story and/or Teleplay.
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Message Posted On Tuesday, February 19th 2008 at 6:21 pm
Funny you should mention this, we just brought it up in the staff forum last week. I also wanted the guest star space to say "No Guest Stars appeared in this episode" when no guests are in an episode.
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Message Posted On Tuesday, February 19th 2008 at 6:50 pm
Aye, and it seemed quite unanimous that it should be changed.
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Message Posted On Tuesday, February 19th 2008 at 9:31 pm
On Tuesday, February 19th 2008 6:21 pm, Me wrote:
Funny you should mention this, we just brought it up in the staff forum last week. I also wanted the guest star space to say "No Guest Stars appeared in this episode" when no guests are in an episode.

Kind off topic, but could there be the same for Featured Music ("No Featured Music"). Because not all episodes have featured music. Some shows don't even have music, probably.
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Message Posted On Tuesday, February 19th 2008 at 10:35 pm
Well the same could go for any of those (Notes, Episode/Cultural References, Quotes, Analysis, etc) but it's a little different since they appear below anything that is actually submitted, whereas the crew is at the top of the page.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 at 10:13 am
It seems to me that even for the Notes, Cultural References, et. al. there should be some way to indicate "I looked at this, and there are none." which is different from "no data available." I've contributed to non-fiction shows like "This Old House" and "The New Yankee Workshop" and they generally do not have cultural references and songs and suchlike. But there's no way for the casual observer to tell the difference between "none" and "we don't know."
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Message Posted On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 at 10:35 am
If you start removing the editable links on the guide pages then we're just making the process of adding information take more steps, and to someone who is either fairly new to the site or new to contributing it may seem a bit confusing if the links are not readily available.

I understand wanting to make the guide look good from an editor's perspective, and having all those empty on each episode, but it's really for the good of the site if they remain. However, the writers/directors being a choice to appear or not makes a lot more sense to me.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 at 11:56 am
For that matter, it'd be nice to be able to change the crew type. As is, you have to delete and add with the new title.

Which comes up mostly when you find teleplay/story folks who are incorrectly listed as writers.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 at 12:57 pm
A lot of the episodes for MST3K have no guest stars, so I'd like to turn that section off on them as well.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 at 1:00 pm
On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 11:56 am, Gadfly wrote:
For that matter, it'd be nice to be able to change the crew type. As is, you have to delete and add with the new title.

Which comes up mostly when you find teleplay/story folks who are incorrectly listed as writers.

I added that same idea in the staff forum when I first became a GE. Hopefully it will be changed someday soon.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 at 6:42 pm
On Wednesday, February 20th 2008 10:35 am, Ryan wrote:
If you start removing the editable links on the guide pages then we're just making the process of adding information take more steps, and to someone who is either fairly new to the site or new to contributing it may seem a bit confusing if the links are not readily available.

I understand wanting to make the guide look good from an editor's perspective, and having all those empty on each episode, but it's really for the good of the site if they remain. However, the writers/directors being a choice to appear or not makes a lot more sense to me.
Hmmm. I'll don't agree with this philosophy. I think most people are smart enough to learn the site's interface. Sure, there are a couple of things that still throw me from time to time, but it isn't that difficult to use the site.

It seems to me that for edited shows (those with an editor), one could turn these sections off for specific episodes. It's not that hard to send a PM to the editor, is it? One could even put a link at the bottom of the episode along the lines of "Want to make a contribution but don't see the category here? Contact the editor." and the second sentence would be a hyperlink to PM the editor.

If you're concerned about making the site accessible to new users, there are some existing consistency issues that should probably be addressed - like the fact that you can't suggest deleting a news item unless you PM the editor or contact the staff in these forums. There are some other things like that I've noticed from time to time but don't remember off the top of my head - but they all fall under the general rubric of "consistency." Consistent interfaces have far less steep learning curves...
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