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  • For a while this year, I was on a crusade, editing posts to remove "Thanks".

    But there were far too many of those posts.

  • So I started to remove "Thanks in advance".

    But there were too many of those.

  • So I started to remove "Thanks in advanced", which in addition to being inappropriate for Stack Exchange, is a corruption of the English language, and needs to be stamped out before too many people decide that it's correct English (thus making it into correct English).

    But I got bored with that and gave up.

  • But now, I've seen a new outrage and I want your help cleaning it up: "Thanks in advantage". Yes, really, "Thanks in advantage"! There are 221 of those on Stack Overflow right now: https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=%22Thanks%20in%20advantage%22.

Can we please clean those up before the English language changes out from under us?

Thx 4 ur hlp.


Obviously, I have trouble making myself understood. Any time I talk about editing one part of a post, there are many people who believe that I mean to only edit that part of the post. In fact, I never edit just one part of the post. I don't as much as cast a close or delete vote without editing the entire post!


Please take the time to read "Should 'Hi', 'thanks,' taglines, and salutations be removed from posts?.


BTW, when I say "edit" in this question, I mean full edits, not suggested edits. I'm not advocating filling up the suggested edit queue with large numbers of "thanks" edits. And I'm certainly not suggesting suggested edits which only remove "thanks".


We're up to 6,600+ "Thanks in advanced" questions! This did not work!

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    I cleared all comments here as they were no longer workable. If you want to discuss if Thanks and variations are useful, do so in Should 'Hi', 'thanks,' taglines, and salutations be removed from posts?
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    May 9, 2015 at 8:32
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    I removed two new "Thanks in advantage" instances today. I can't help but feel like we're at a disadvantage... Aug 5, 2015 at 20:33
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    too much time to edit posts, not enough time programming Sep 24, 2015 at 23:11
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    Almost as bad is: "Kindly {paste|post} the {codes|solution}." Me: "OK, kindly accept this downvote"
    – C. Tewalt
    Oct 12, 2015 at 21:36
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    Up to over 5000 "Thanks in advanced" again :(
    – Raidri
    May 30, 2016 at 8:45
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    Why doesn't stackoverflow disallow posting of such phrases?
    – Mulan
    Nov 29, 2016 at 3:21
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    This statement at the start I was on a crusade, editing posts to remove "Thanks". and this one at the end And I'm certainly not suggesting suggested edits which only remove "thanks". appear contradictory to me.
    – icc97
    Apr 27, 2018 at 7:55
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    @JohnSaunders when you were on your crusade, did you edit posts to only remove "thanks"?
    – icc97
    Apr 27, 2018 at 10:21
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    @icc97 no. I edited posts to remove "thanks" and to correct any other problems. Apr 27, 2018 at 10:23
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    Also irritating: "any help will be helpful"
    – Cœur
    Jan 2, 2019 at 4:27
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    Thank god there's no Thanks in advantaged
    – user7143559
    Sep 17, 2019 at 17:37
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    @TheMaker What's wrong with reading? Please take the time to read "Should 'Hi', 'thanks,' taglines, and salutations be removed from posts? Jun 8, 2020 at 17:50
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    @TheMaker We do read dictionaries, and they don't start with "Hello! Here's the meaning of paperclip:" Articles in Wikipedia also don't end with "Thanks for reading about Carnation Day!". While on Stack Overflow, please use the standard form of appreciating the content of a post, which is to upvote it. Fluff is not only necessary, but we also have people actively removing it from posts. Jun 8, 2020 at 17:54
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    @T0ny1234 - good question. I'd be inclined to say - don't bother. Some will be removed by roomba, some dealt with by SOCVR regulars, etc. Plus there is a danger of sending the post to the reopen queue with an unsubstantial edit that will waste the only chance the post gets automatically. But we have plenty to do even without the closed posts :) Jun 25, 2021 at 11:13
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    @PetyaNaumova This question and the various answers in this page (especially this one) have already already laid out the arguments for why any kind of fluff is cleaned up in this platform. Please take your time reading them. Jul 11 at 10:08

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I completely support such initiatives (and started to edit posts you indicated right now - they usually require much work unfortunately).

The only courtesy needed here is taking time to learn about our rules and guidelines - and the practice shows that just this is too much anyway.

Adding "thank you" to a post that doesn't adhere to site's standards is false courtesy.

In case of the minuscule number of well-written posts, adding "thank you" is of course nothing wrong, but I still tend to remove it, explaining politely why, if needed.

MichaelT's comment seems to sum this up nicely:

The politeness expressed by "hope this helps", "thank you" and "hello" is all similarly problematic in technical writing. Stack Overflow, as a Q&A site, strives to be a technical resource akin to encyclopedias. That writing style that makes it useful as a technical resource precludes pleasantries and formalities. Even in cultures with formalized pleasantries and courtesies, one doesn't see such pleasantries in the technical writing. The reason for removing "thank you" is exactly the same as the reason that "hope this helps" isn't at the bottom of every Wikipedia page.

(emphasis mine)


And of course improving the general "state" of the language is also very important (especially to non-native speakers, like me, who can pick up incorrect phrases, not being aware of that).

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    +1, especially for "Adding "thank you" to a post that doesn't adhere to site's standards is false courtesy." Thanks to someone who will have to clean the formatting? Or to someone who will have to fix typos? Or to someone who will have to add an umpteenth comment with request for at least some relevant info? No, such things do not look like courtesy but more like a smirk. Seeing these "Thanks" can easily remove any desire to help. Mar 17, 2015 at 13:53
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    Why can't the user posting a comment that says "thank you" not automatically be shown a message explaining the site's standards and given the option to abandon posting the comment? Mar 17, 2015 at 13:59
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    @DiegoDeberdt It is too risky/technically difficult to safely remove "thanks" while guaranteeing that the rest of the post is not accidentally corrupted.
    – ryanyuyu
    Mar 17, 2015 at 14:11
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    it surprises me that a comment saying "Seeing these 'Thanks' can easily remove any desire to help" got any upvotes on a Stack site. i thought this was discussing "should we expend the effort to start editing posts in this way?", not "should we help people who say 'thank you in advance'?" If you're browsing posts to find the most palatable grammar to answer, you're probably not helping as many people as you could. @BartoszKP and others have a valid point, but i wouldn't extend it that far.
    – Dpeif
    Mar 17, 2015 at 16:11
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    @Dpeif By "these "Thanks"" I meant exactly those posts where "Thanks" are surrounded by an awful mess of bad formatting, typos and completely irrelevant information. I do not say that people who create such posts do not deserve any help(guidance, edits etc.), I say that instead of motivating or inspiring such "Thanks" just dishearten me. Editing, moderating and guiding someone takes a lot of effort - usually more than answering. I gladly edit, fix typos and ask for clarifications in posts where I can see some potential, and where I can't - I downvote or(and) close, or just move on. Mar 17, 2015 at 17:22
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    When did StackOverlow get so anal about this kind of thing? This is a site where folks can get help and help others. I don't see how a "thank you" causes a question/answer/comment to become instantly unreadable.
    – nick
    Mar 19, 2015 at 22:53
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    Wow. You can edit it, moderate it, do whatever you want, but it's a message board and no amount of moderation will change that. Glad you have time to waste deleting "thanks" from posts. Thanks in advance!
    – ssaltman
    Mar 19, 2015 at 23:10
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    @nick: it doesn't make it unreadable. But it's unnecessary fluff and counter to the goals of this site. By removing it (and adding a comment saying why I removed it), I not only improve the site IMHO, but also educate other readers. The most important thing I can teach them is that Stack Overflow is not like other sites they've been on. They are "not in Kansas anymore". Mar 20, 2015 at 5:32
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    @ssaltman: this is not a message board. It's not a forum. It's a very different site - it is a Q&A site which is not just focused on the Q and the A but also on all the future readers who will find the "A" while searching for the "Q". That's different from the purpose of a discussion forum or message board. Mar 20, 2015 at 5:34
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    I'm just going to say that while StackOverflow does strive to be a fantastic technical resource, it's also a social community. There is some need for courtesy. (Frankly a need for a little more than we have right now, in my opinion.) I would just remove such a note if it were bad grammar, we have bigger problems than people trying to be polite. As for "false courtesy," just close them and don't worry about whether the courtesy was false or real. The vitriol against people putting "thank you" on posts represents an enormously wrong focus on how to best spend our time improving the site.
    – jpmc26
    Mar 20, 2015 at 6:50
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    @jpmc26 Removing "thanks" is not just removing "thanks". It is also a way of communicating technical nature of this site - we want to have a knowledge repository, not a forum, not a discussion, not a message board. Salutations etc. are inherently related to these media, while lack of them is specific to technical resources. We have meta and chat for being more human.
    – BartoszKP
    Mar 20, 2015 at 8:46
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    @jpmc26 You are free to go and fix problems you regard more serious :) And you can also write a call-to-action meta post describing what you think is more important. I don't have enough free time right now to go and do Great Things, but I can try to improve posts (not only removing "thanks" but doing a complete edit, where needed) from time to time, and finding "thanks" is one of ways I can find them.
    – BartoszKP
    Mar 20, 2015 at 9:01
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    @OyvindAndersson That's all irrelevant. If we agree that this is the current policy, we will remove "Thanks" and "Hi", and we will need no more luck than fixing typos, commas and removing tags from titles.
    – BartoszKP
    Jun 12, 2017 at 12:43
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    For you, perhaps. Still it's not agreed upon @OyvindAndersson - This is a site rule.
    – BSMP
    Jul 2, 2017 at 21:13
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    @OyvindAndersson: It is agreed upon. Bartosz is correct. You may wish to accrue more experience with Stack Overflow before making policy comments. Thanks. Jul 3, 2017 at 23:01
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"Thanks in advantage" is now empty.

However, one editor in particular did not understand that when you mass clean-up posts you should be editing the entire post, not just removing a single line. I had to Reject and Edit quite a few suggested edits.

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I agree with this strongly.

While, as others have said, it doesn't take away from the credibility of a post, it also does nothing for it.

This is not a forum, and it isn't run like one. This is a question-and-answer network whose focus is on the questions and the answers rather than the people. For that reason, "Thanks" and similar sign-offs and greetings are unnecessary noise.


If you're editing these posts and you need a little help getting rid of the basic errors (including the one that is the subject of this post), the Stack Exchange Editor's Toolkit (disclaimer: I am the original author and primary maintainer) may be of interest to you.

It removes things like this:

Thanks!

THANKS!

Thanks in advance.

Thanks in advanced.

Thanks [...]

It also corrects a lot of basic errors (i -> I, cant -> can't, etc.) and automatically generates an edit summary that reflects the changes that have been made. For example,

'JavaScript' is the proper capitalization; English contractions use apostrophes; 'Thanks in advance' is unnecessary noise.

Obviously, it is no substitute for real editing that a human can provide, and it should be used with caution, but it can help with a lot of basic errors that can be repetitive to fix, and it's expansible, so you can add rules if you wish.

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  • Consider adding "Thank you" to that list. Mar 17, 2015 at 21:10
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    @VitalijZadneprovskij It already is; here's the full expression: /(thanks|pl(?:ease|z|s)\s+h[ea]lp|cheers|regards|thx|thank\s+you|my\s+first\s+question|kindly\shelp).*$/gmi. You can test cases here to see what it'll match.
    – AstroCB
    Mar 17, 2015 at 21:18
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    Hmmmm.....perhaps I'll try "thankss inn advvance"....
    – user4229245
    May 8, 2015 at 20:03
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    @tgm1024, Or one of these. May 8, 2015 at 20:13
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    Just noticed a massive 30,691 times Thanks in advice. *sigh*
    – Jongware
    May 11, 2015 at 9:21
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    Nice user script. I just edited "thanks" out of about 70 questions (most of which are highly upvoted) in 20 minutes. But it would be nice if it also capitalized words at the beginning of sentences and removed signatures after "thanks". Nov 27, 2017 at 22:40
  • Also, it would be nice if it worked on answers too. Dec 3, 2017 at 15:43
  • I will disagree here because a "thanks" after a request is a good thing. In some context like: Please make this when answering followed by a "thanks" is natural. I totally agree with a lonely "thanks", without any requirement, this is a false "thanks", but the one with a request is more than necessary, otherwise the request will be like a command.
    – user604234
    Apr 25, 2018 at 13:38
  • The toolkit button was getting displayed way off to the right for me. So far to the right it was behind the "New on Meta" sidebar. I fixed it by changing the spacing of the button from 430px to 0. Also the button totally breaks dark themes, so I commented out the animation. Now it still doesn't work: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'search' of undefined at Object.App.funcs.fixIt (<anonymous>:283:31) Aug 31, 2020 at 9:26
  • @JanSchultke unfortunately I stopped maintaining the script quite a while ago now, and I'm certain Stack Overflow has been through a number of design changes since, so I'm not surprised to hear it's no longer functioning. If you decide to investigate or fix it up, I welcome any pull requests on the GitHub repo.
    – AstroCB
    Aug 31, 2020 at 18:47
  • Too many of them Mar 3, 2021 at 18:42
  • No matter how I tried, there is no more than 500 results in search on any of requests.
    – Kos
    Oct 1 at 13:01
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I'm glad we fixed this specific permutation of thanks, but what about the million other combinations of thanks in advance? Thanks in advances (286), thanks advance (980) and thanks in advice (1247) are arguably just as bad or worse as advantage. Are we really going to make a thread for each form of thanks in advance?

We've got (not even including all misspellings of thanks!):

If you want to go on a crusade to kill thanks, attacking only one form of a misspelling is still only going to be a drop in the bucket. Stack Overflow should probably give a notice to people trying to put thanks in their questions in the question wizard.

Tanks to Tiny Giant

Permutation Count
Tanks in advance 3

Thanxs to Oleg Valter

Permutation Count
Thanx in advance 5079

tx to oguz ismail

Thnaks to jps

Thnaks to Peter Mortensen

Permutation Count
Thnaks in adavance 0
Regards in Advance 122
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We need a pop up that says something to the effect of

If you want to show your appreciation to those that decide to aide you, please Up Vote their answer(s) and select the CheckMark for the one that answers your question the best! Rewarding a Bounty for a particularly hard question or complex answer and explanation would be even better!

any time someone types Thank You in a comment box or question box.

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    @Jarrod: "their answer(s)" or "useful answers"? The first can be seen as giving an A for effort, which you probably don't want... May 8, 2015 at 20:51
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    ...But this would be using code formatting for words that are not code, which is also a Bad Thing (tm). May 24, 2019 at 17:07
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    Why was this never implemented? Oct 11, 2019 at 22:11
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Here's some more rather large ones to expound what @whn posted above.
Check out these thanksters


thanks (3.1 million..)

please (2.4 million..)

my question is (419,877)

sorry (339,266)

solved it (77,582)

yeah (34,544)

'foo' 'bar' (26,128)

thank you so much (26,126)

thank you for your time (16,163)

thanks, everyone (15,127)

lol (12,914)

wow (10,527)

good question (8,591)

bye (6,481)

haha (5,433)

huh (4,004)

thanking you (2,481)

very very very (1,626)

hehe (1,494)

thanks please (1,131)

why are you doing this (760)

very good question (845)

that was easy (819)

ahem (818)

thank god (753)

sure thing (522)

bye bye (483)

thanks you so much (443)

thank so much (499)

oh man (437)

sheesh (257)

my pleasure (146)

like totally (142)

thanks for understanding (135)

very very very very (132)

solved it for you (48)

har har (47)

gee thanks (36)

please upvote this (39)

ok dude (24)

I hope you like this (20)

hohoho (20)

cash money (18)

ooof (17)

have to go to bed (16)

you betcha (16)

tee hee (15)

I need to take a break (10)

I love your question (7)

very very good question (4)

thank you for youre time (3)

please downvote me (2)

oofta (1)


thank yo
thank 'yo '​ (72)
thank ya (32)
thank yoy (20)
thank ye (13)
thank yuo (9)
thank yoh (3)
thank yoi (3)
thank yor (2)
thank yot (1)
thank yo0 (1) – hmm


Hmm
hmm (12,762)
hmmm (5,066)
hmmmm (625)
hmmmmm (106)
hmmmmmm (27)
hmmmmmmm (18)
hmmmmmmmm (9)
hmmmmmmmmm (3)
hmmmmmmmmmm (1)
hmmmmmmmmmmm (4)
hmmmmmmmmmmmm (1)
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (2)
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (1)


uhh
uhh (401)
uhhh (110)
uhhhh (57)
uhhhhh (6)
uhhhhhh (7)
uhhhhhhhh (7)
uhhhhhhhhh (1)
uhhhhhhhhhhh (1)

argh
argh (1871) Many of these also refer to a lib of that name!
arghh (92)
arghhh (86)
arghhhh (38)
arghhhhh (8)
arghhhhhh (1)
arghhhhhhh (4)
arghhhhhhhhhhh (1)


you can only perform 30 searches in a 60 second window, please wait a moment and try again


We talk about 'thank you', but what about: like, uhh, totally dude. There's definitely many little 'daggers' that we say quite often.

I wonder why "thank you" can't be removed just like how we switched to Common Mark.

But I'm thinking that it might be tricky. It wouldn't be removed if enclosed in code for example: foo = "thank you".


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IMHO, additional language like "please" and "thank you" or even the presumptuous "thanks in advance" won't detract from the credibility or usefulness of the content. Also, "thanks in advantage", while awful, is better than "I have class in 2 hrs, pls HELP!", let's keep in mind people who are new to coding, Stack Overflow, and the English language are not discouraged.

But, the proper attitude and decorum is encouraged, in an effort to maintain the credibility of Stack Exchange and its content/community.

What I feel DOES detract from credibility, and OP hit it spot on here, is the inaccuracy and in some cases stupidity (sorry) of some of the language used by posters and commenters/answerers.

If my boss asks me to show him where I found a solution, or who suggested it, I may have to forward a Stack Overflow post along. I absolutely don't want the title to have typos, or the comments to include trolling, or the proposed solutions to include "LMAO stop usin ur brackets here bro!!1!".

Considering please/thanks to be an informality is one thing, and that falls under the "environment" Stack Overflow wants to proliferate; trusting code from someone who says "kthxbai" when they address a community of peers for help is another thing entirely.

I'd say editing posts for accuracy and clarity is way more valuable to a user (at least one like me) than enforcing a "no salutation / appreciation" rule. In the worst of cases, if the informality of the language is so far below professional that it makes the poster/answerer unreliable, that should be addressed on a case by case (or user by user) basis.

For the record: I've never edited a post on any Stack Exchange site, but I use it frequently for research and try to answer any posts I can. This is just the average user's opinion, not a habitual editor/administrator/superstacker.

Edit


I wasn't going to include this in my original post because it seems snarky, but after following along for a while, I think it's a valid point: Everyone is linking to the other Meta discussion about "Should 'hi', 'thanks', taglines be removed...", but no one has linked to the Stack Overflow Help page titled "How Do I Ask A Good Question?". If the URL ends in "help/how-to-ask", users (new or old) should be confident that that's all they need to know before posting. Also, it says "Pretend you're talking to a busy colleague..." in bold letters. I can confirm that a colleague, even if busy, appreciates a hello, a please, and a thank you.

This is turning more into a discussion over "what annoys habitual editors" rather than "is this a good procedure for Stack Overflow editors to follow".

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    The "busy colleague"-analogy only goes so far without elaboration. You should take the time to greet your colleague, and do the appropriate amount of additional chit-chat as well as making sure you are both up to speed on everything else you have in common (that might be quite fast, especially if you are actually busy). But when you get around to asking your question, peppering it with cajoling, self-denigration and irrelevancies will get anyone to either grit his teeth in frustration or drop you as fast as possible for something more worthwhile. Don't confuse your question with the rest. Mar 17, 2015 at 20:05
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    @Deduplicator Agreed, completely. Extended salutations or appreciation are unproductive in almost every situation. I'm referring mainly to the "Hello all" or "Thanks a bunch" one-liners, and the minor impact they have (IMO) on the content. Completely agree though, very different from an unnecessary paragraph of ramblings.
    – Dpeif
    Mar 17, 2015 at 20:19
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    Please also always keep in mind that the first one to three lines of a post are extremely precious space, though not quite as much as the title: They are shown as an excerpt when searching. Mar 17, 2015 at 20:25
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    Also a very good point that I don't remember seeing brought up here. That just swayed me a little bit about trimming the hello line, especially if it's a Hello,<br /><br />Here's my question:<br /> situation. Well played, @Deduplicator
    – Dpeif
    Mar 17, 2015 at 20:51
  • This statement: "additional language like "please" and "thank you" or even the presumptuous "thanks in advance" won't detract from the credibility or usefulness of the content." Correct. Actually, much of this would be solved by removing down votes entirely.
    – user4229245
    May 8, 2015 at 20:04
  • Let's Bring This Mother Down, lads!! (coming from news.ycombinator.com/…) Kidding, upvoting :)
    – mlvljr
    Apr 27, 2018 at 0:23
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    Note the similarity to this answer (and it's -12 vote status yesterday) to the blog post from Stack Overflow admitting that it's not a very welcoming site
    – icc97
    Apr 27, 2018 at 7:50
  • I'm actually upvoting this answer, because I think "not discouraging people" should get more attention in the usage of this site. Even though the site can do with a few less questions being asked and the questions that are asked can be better, that does not imply they should be discouraged from liking the site.
    – Gimby
    Jul 12 at 13:11
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Removing "thank you", but at the same time having the d-word in the title seems to contradict yourself. The d-word is not necessary, just as in your opinion "thank you is not necessary".

In my opinion, thank you is a basic expression of gratitude very suitable for any community.

In my opinion, if we try to cut "thank you" out of a community, we have lost something valuable.

I do agree with cleaning up excess or just a "+1" type of answer.

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    Fortunately, we still have "thank you" in this community. It just looks like this: ▲
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Jun 16, 2019 at 23:05
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    Maybe so. But stackoverflow.com is not a community site; it is a community-driven site. From the outside, not from the inside. Here on meta and in the chat rooms we allow ourselves the opportunity to acknowledge each other as community members and is where some pleasantries have a place. On the main Q&A site however, we leave the community hat at the door and you put on the curator hat instead.
    – Gimby
    Jun 17, 2019 at 8:15
  • @CodyGray And '⯅' is code for ...? Oct 11, 2019 at 16:06
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    @Elise Uh, it's the upvote triangle: fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2bc5/index.htm. Doesn't show up on the Windows 7 machine that I'm currently on, either. Sorry. I'm not usually a big fan of emojis and things that don't render universally, but I thought that one would be sufficiently universal.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Oct 12, 2019 at 6:35
  • Roel: Remember that this is meta.SO, not SO itself.
    – einpoklum
    Jul 2, 2020 at 15:51
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    Thank you, but does it really matter? Are we not all civilized people who act better to each other? Jul 2, 2020 at 21:32

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