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REPUTATION *F@%K THAT!* This is Business!

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by kase, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. kase

    kase Regular Member

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    I am speaking on behalf of all of us that do not like the rep Feature.

    Ok,So this Rep thing, I for one do not like the damn thing and i have read some threads and there are other members besides myself that do not like it either. this Rep feature is holding us back,As in "Most of us noobs" .


    The rep shit,is like a local skeezer,the more she puts out the more reputation she will get for being a Chicken head. So in the forum terms will we have to provide. others with useful information....Information that we do not Have,Expecially being a N00B! we do not aquire the skills to provide others with great methoods,techniques,Formulas ect ect ect....

    this Rep thing should be used for Referal points! not Judgement on the members behalf of,who provides quality informatin that will make them Rich.



    Reps: should be only used for refering points. the more Rep points you have will show how dedicated you are to help building this forum. I believe that this forum has alot of potential. and we should put up an affiliate section and instead of talking about all these damn methods,Software tools for marketing on websites. we should create our own and sell them on this here forum. Put a store up with bodeezy products or something and we'll earn commision off the sales. Everytime we make a sale. we will earn a Rep Point.



    Well,Just stating my opinion!.....



    KASE
     
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  2. Nick Flame

    Nick Flame Executive VIP Premium Member

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    If you want to expand your business and gain more information and access to the downloads section, but have no possibility to gain the rep, there is a very simple way to do it: donate 25$ per YEAR, and you ll have access to it.

    If you think that the section is not worth even 25$, then why do you bother so much to have access to it?
     
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  3. kase

    kase Regular Member

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    The reputation dosen't bother me i just think that it could be put to better use. as i said in the above post,Let's start selling products on here. we should all work together. to promote something.

    if we wanted to promote clickbank,we should get a team together and promote from the same account. then the admins would pay us. for each sale we made and provide us with Sales rep Points.


    that will just show,the members of the forum how hard they work to make sales. and even if they dont make points. it's just Rep!...and we all can work on a method were we combine our hours put in. and earn a commision off sales.
     
  4. kase

    kase Regular Member

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    LOL!..What the hell...I'm not asking for any reps,I was just makeing a point. I just think the Rep method,should be used differently. why Rep someone for putting up a good thread when you can Just click the "Thanks" Button.


    Not here to cause problems just brought up a subject.


    and yea, i'm a skeezer pleazer. to all these woman in surrounding towns ;)
     
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  5. DrJekyll

    DrJekyll Senior Member Premium Member

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    I am one that will probably never get rep enough and when i decide i will donate, It will help keep this forum running anyway!!

    I think the problems that people have with the rep is that even when you give a great share, too many people don't bother to give rep.

    If there was a way that you automatically left rep if you downloaded or something posted it would be a more fair assessment of what you contribute.

    But until something like that happens, I will just pay and be happy!

    Bk
     
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  6. AboutBizz

    AboutBizz Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Disagree with you WP. totally...

    I have enjoyed and gotten much out of BHW. I try to add what I can...jhowever by the time I find something someone has already addded it a few days (or weeks) earlier. BUT I have added a few things to BHW but refuse to ask for any rep...Why? Cuz in my opinion NO ONE should be able to ask for a rep....its just plain cheesy. If I have to ask my wife if she loves my, chances are of course she'll say yes. Statistically if I ask all the members who read a post if they like it then give me a rep, my guess is 10% will (of those who read it.)

    There have been a number of items that I woul've loved to gotten but could not due to the fact that my rep count is slowly building up. I think that by the time I get to 21 that they'll change the rules again and I will have to start again on the new system... but you know what, the way I look at it is until I open my wallet and pay 25 schamollies for access, then

    the way it is --is the way it is...

    God knows I have plenty of things to worry about and work on (and software and PDFs to look at that I've recently acquired) that it makes no sense to cry over it (no dissing Kase meant). Everyones entitled to feel what they want but Kases point is a good one. I just think we ought to fish-slap people when they ask for reps.
     
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  7. kase

    kase Regular Member

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    Sales,should be used for training Both noobies and experienced black hatters,as i said we all should work on promoting click bank items and other affiliate products and work as a business.

    and no one should ask for a rep,they should automatically receive rep points upon Sales generated.

    We need to quit seperating ourselves from what we do and do not know and work together!....
     
  8. kase

    kase Regular Member

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    First off,I never stated that everyone here should do it. 2nd,This forum is here to help people,Expecially noobs,Correct?...... and why not put together a staff,were we could learn from eachother and not only that but work as one and make more sales!....

    it's better to work with a team! you may not see it that way,Maybe you had no friends and you had to do everything yourself growing up,but were i'm from it takes friends,family and hard working people that help eachother.


    That is good,you sell your own stuff...Want a cookie?
     
  9. ErikaM

    ErikaM Newbie

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    On my first visit to the forum, I saw the value in upgrading because I don't have valuable information to share and earn rep points...I'm a noob! So, I upgraded and now have the information and tools to succeed. Maybe one day I will be able to earn the reps, but for now, I'm happy having the information.
     
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  10. kase

    kase Regular Member

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    I don't need to donate now,I'm not worried about this forum right now. i rather be apart of a team community. were we all work together. Not saying this forum sucks! but it has it's things that i do not like.

    Worldy,this was just an opinion (NO DRAMA!)


    Kase
     
  11. battman323

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    I don't really like the idea of us selling products to each other, because then it turns into those sh*tty marketing forums where all people know how to do is market to other marketers.

    We shouldn't be out to sell to each other, we should be out to sell to non-marketers. Attack other niches and the people at home's pocketbooks, not each others'

    I think the rep system is fine. The download section needs to be protected somehow from trolls so people can either pay $25, OR, they can make massive contributions to the forum to earn respect and get in for free. The rep system is still new and we're all still getting in the habit of using it.

    Just make your posts have more of a WOW effect and people will give out rep willingly.
     
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  12. easy

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    Exactly, the voice of reason. The rep system is a darn site better than all that worthless crap that was posted just to get enough posts to get to the downloads.
     
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  13. xXKingdom_SEOXx

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    Really and truely, I am getting sick of this little lingo "the voice of reason" everybody has a "voice of reason". Remove the downloads if there is such fuss over it, remove the rep system if there is much fuss, will you loose a cent? This is not the original place i stumbled upon when notmeagain shared BLOGGERGENERATOR something I wanted so bad I couldnt believe my eyes, I couldnt believe I have stumbled upon a black-hat-WORLD. What is up with rep? If there is a thanks why rep? Rep is to guide newbies on who to trust? Or am I wrong?

    Its a time scheme here...

    WHEN ONE REALIZE THAT ARGUE IS USELESS ONE WILL ARGUE

    WHEN ONE REALIZE THAT REP IS USELESS ONE WILL ARGUE

    WHEN ONE WILL NOT ARGUE ONE WILL ARGUE
     
  14. kase

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    The rep Feature,is a good idea,But i holds alot of us noobs Back from Learning. And that is why i suggested.we work together as a team,Like a online class. if i had the knowlege like these Pro Black hatters.I'd be showing them eerything i know,That way they could sell "My Products" ......


    it's better to give then to receive!

    Time is not money! Time is a on going cycle called life, you either Learn the steps or you Sit back and live in your moms basement for the rest of your life collecting social security checks. and that is not me! I want to learn this Black hat stuff. and use my own ideas to master them to become an Entrepenuer.


    KASE
     
  15. DrJekyll

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    kase,

    I look at it this way, once i have learned EVERYTHING that is provided for free, and implemented most of it, and at that point i need a specific tool that is provided in downloads i cant get at, I will pay for it.

    I figure my money is safe for 25-30 years anyway. But along the way of implementation of what i learned i will probably find stuff that will be of benefit to the forum and gain rep. oooops, then will get access for free :cool:
     
  16. SmallStorm

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    wp,

    Your still free to speak what you wish. We all are. One thing you probably know is there are always consequences to everything we do or say, even if we are free to do it.

    Just cause my car has 160mph on the dial does not mean I'm able to do 160mph without consequence.

    Besides, if we don't like the rules, which are reasonable, then we are free to leave.

    Chris
     
  17. AboutBizz

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    Worldly Panther...all due respect to you...but...as much as you'd like to believe this forum is some type of democracy...it isn't. If you were paying $97 or $197 a month MAYBE you could complain as a paying customer...but we are all here due to the financial resources and graciousness of the guys who put BHW together. No one here is really entitled...especially in light of what we actually pay to be here.

    I look at it as its there show and I'm glad they let me in the door and I want it to keep going. I am not of the opinion that the customers always right. After having been in business 20 years..thats just a line of bull. Customer demands...and unreal customer demands take up precious time and resources. You and I vote with our wallet and mouse click.

    I think Luther, Dave and anyone else in a leadership position here has the right to run this as they see fit and dictate what is said. Part of free enterprise is if you dont like it...then go out and start one yourself. HOWEVER I think people will quickly find out theres ALOT more to this than realized.

    So WP my opinion may not and probably doesn't mean a rats-ass to you...and thats OK. I like to see you here and appreaciate what you bring. Hopefully this issue becomes a non issue and we can move past it.
     
  18. caretaker2007

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    The thing about 'free speech' is that there is not any such item in the world.

    Say I said something like, 'All trees are worthless pieces of shit." Well, the Pines, Birches, Oaks, and etc... would find offense to that, while the Ivies, Ferns, and various Berries may not. Ivies would be the probable wishy-washy ones since they use the trees at times.

    By limiting such remarks, while not condusive to the forum's purpose, 'free speech' has already been taken away. So, any arguement that it is being taken away, is moot, as, the evidence already shows that it never existed in the first place. The argument must be that free speech has never been allowed and that you demand it, in full.

    As About says, it is someone elses forum, and, as such, they have the right to make, or change, any, or all, rules, as they deem fit, so, the only way to truly eliminate the problem any one person, or group of people has, with this forum is to start their own and allow full free speech, no matter the point of view on what is offfensive to you. If you limit any use of any word for any reason you are taking the free speech away from someone, and, as a person standing up for the rights of free speech you can not do that, or be labeled a hypocrite.

    Thanks for your time, may you find a person here with an excellent share to make up for the waste that this post has incurred on your time.
     
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  19. sinewave

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    First of all, appreciations given to mods. Whew! 'nuff said. This place can be quite the goat rodeo.

    Kase, first you demanded that we recognise that "This is Business!". Then in the next breath you claim that your problem is that the forum practice "holds noobs back from learning".

    You're missing a couple of points.

    1) The fact is that helping "noobs", as you've called them, may not fit into the business plans of others here on the forum. Everyone's time is limited. Remember your cry "This is Business!"? Yeah, this is business. If you've a good business plan which accommodates your "This is Business!" cry which also includes helping "noobs", by all means share it here.

    2) "and why not put together a staff,were we could learn from eachother and not only that but work as one and make more sales!...." (sic)
    Who is in charge of managing and paying this "staff"? "Working as one" requires dedicated project management to steer a coherent project, not to mention resource allocation & management, budgeting & billing ... etc. It doesn't just fall together with a chorus of "kum ba yah". Resources, capital & commitments are required.

    Best,
    Sine
     
  20. gts6

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    huh? LOL, where the hell did THAT come from ? lol

    things have certainly taken a turn for the strange around here
     
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