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2547 Guests?

2547 guests are lurking now? Can that be right? I've noticed lately that often there have been over a 1,000, but my goodness there are a lot of people watching us. Suddenly I'm feeling very self-conscious?

What's the record high, Lisa? Can you tell whether they're reading the blogs or Today's Paper?

And why don't some of you people jump into the conversation?

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ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 06/21/07 - 12:11 pm
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Yes, good questions PB ...

Yes, good questions PB ... and how is it we have almost 9000 registered users and I never see more than about 75-100 people (20-30 consistently) actually post to the blogs?

WileyCoyote
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WileyCoyote 06/21/07 - 12:14 pm
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It will keep climbing

As we get further into the election debates.

SC is a target state, and BT is nationally famous for having the best news

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 06/21/07 - 12:17 pm
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"...

"...

peachblossom
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peachblossom 06/21/07 - 12:23 pm
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I'll ask fluffy

What are the benefits of registration if you never post and participate?

I'll ask fluffy and flufffy the next time I see them, OW. :>)

I didn't think about the spiders, WC. That would explain the late-night numbers, although I guess BT could be really popular in Hawaii. Now I feel like mentioning ALL the candidates for anything I can think of. Heh heh heh.

WileyCoyote
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WileyCoyote 06/21/07 - 12:27 pm
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Ooooh, PB!!!

We could have some SERIOUS fun! You wouldn't believe the emails I've been getting on all of 'em! LOL I'm

peachblossom
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peachblossom 06/21/07 - 12:30 pm
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Best news blogs

Best news blogs...by whose standards? Look at all the bigtime news stories that go unmentioned. Does the name Alberto Gonzalez ring a bell? I think these blogs are far less meaty and interesting than they were a year or so ago.

Animal issues and local issues like Madison Glen and Beaufort County Schools do well, and that's great, but state issues hardly get off the ground, and national and international news get almost no response unless somebody hits a nerve (IMO).

WileyCoyote
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WileyCoyote 06/21/07 - 12:36 pm
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Too true PB

But many posted national and state stories here

bidone
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bidone 06/21/07 - 12:47 pm
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Blog Stats

The stats are not accurate. Try reloading or clicking a bunch of pages and watch the numbers increase. If this blog keeps stats like mine does it is probably overestimating that number by a few thousand percent (maybe more). The true answer requires some analysis of the overall stats removing bots and multiple requests for webpages made by unique users. The number that means something (to me anyway) is unique users monthly.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

peachblossom
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peachblossom 06/21/07 - 12:56 pm
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Is shallow worse than dumb? Discuss.

I think people ARE intimidated by some topics, but that's how you learn. Take a shot, people. There are worse things in life than looking dumb on occasion. To me shallow is a lot worse than dumb, but that's another topic for discussion, isn't it?

It's not only political things, though, WC. What about new books, movies, music, even tv? I don't care about celebrities, but seldom do people even talk about THEM. Is that because people are afraid of looking dumb AND shallow?
I'm not. I have moments of both of those. Just the other day I was wondering how many women go out of the house without makeup.

We could even do some retrospective looks at what we thought two years ago. For instance, this a.m., I was playing an old videotape to see what was on it, and the first two hours were Oprah visiting Katrina sites. So raw. Now those stories have morphed and we have different perspectives on them. What ARE those views now?

WileyCoyote
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WileyCoyote 06/21/07 - 01:03 pm
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Umm, bidone

I refreshed twice and the numbers went down - as they did again when I went to another page! LOL What does that mean?

I guess I shoud have clarified, PB - I should have said that BT is known for having blogs that discuss local news and events. They are emphatically hyper-local, and want to remain that way. Sigh. But most people do not realize how the current State Legislature discussion of the SC House 3032 or the companion Senate 392 Immigration bill is going to affect their own lives here - or not, if the House lets it die when the session does this week. How can they understand, discuss,

peachblossom
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peachblossom 06/21/07 - 01:15 pm
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We agree, WC

We agree, WC, and I understood what you meant. I even tout these blogs myself. The other day I told someone about one of your uses for WD40 (months ago post), and said where I'd gotten it. The response: "Sounds like someone has too much time on their(sic) hands." Not the first time we've heard that, right? No respect.

I'm just lamenting because I know there are a lot of bright and interesting people in this area, and yet only 12% were involved enough to vote on Tuesday and only a handful put their thoughts out here or elsewhere for people to see. Seems to me like such a waste.

MayRiverMudder
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MayRiverMudder 06/21/07 - 02:41 pm
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Want my opinion?

There have been so many times where people try to discuss what is affecting us locally only then to be called down by others who say it's the same ole same ole find something else to discuss already stop complaining. School board and Madison Glenn come to mind. Instead of being a sharing of ideas, it often becomes a name called you hate Jesus type of conversation. Honestly, I've grown tired of it, which is sad because the open discussions I was able to participate in was sort of like taking a college course.

I think discussing your opinions, or sharing yourself on these blogs opens individuals up more than they are comfortable with. A friend of mine and I were discussing this the other day on the SandBar. Especially given the way the information gleened from these post is used or mis-used as so often has proven to be the case.

Heck I'm listed as the second best thing to do this summer. Man I'm gonna be busy. Innocent

WileyCoyote
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WileyCoyote 06/21/07 - 02:48 pm
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ROFL RB!!!!!

You shoulda quit while you were ahead! OH my goodness I'm STILL laughing!!! whoop whoop!

"Do Not tease dragons - for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

WileyCoyote
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WileyCoyote 06/21/07 - 03:07 pm
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A WD-40 tangent

Sorry, just got this one today:

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witchie-poo
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witchie-poo 06/21/07 - 03:31 pm
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PB

You are right about

WileyCoyote
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WileyCoyote 06/21/07 - 03:50 pm
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LOL Witchie

And he'd come right back and say, "If you can't take the heat..." But he isn't really such a ba** in person. Few on here are. (Except for me,

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 06/21/07 - 04:08 pm
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WC, WP is from New England

WC, WP is from New England and New England gals don't get wounded or have their feelings hurt --- unless of course the Soxs or the Patriots lose. ;)

WC, I'm still laughing ... those 6 are funny!

... and and and ... as far as Gonzalez is concerned, what else is there to say after you've said that Gonzalez is just a political hack ... just another one of Bush's cronies --- incompetent, inept, overwhelmed and corrupt. ;)

"Fighting Barbarians for over 2000 years"

bidone
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bidone 06/21/07 - 04:31 pm
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a little more information

Good point WC!

I can't prove anything about these forums as I have no access to the data, but I just checked the May stats for one of the blogs I have and it shows 1770 visitors for the month. This blog is not linked from anywhere and there have been no new posts in 4-5 months. During the duration of these visits less then 10,000k of data was transfered.

Bid

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

LisaSmith
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LisaSmith 06/21/07 - 05:03 pm
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Actual BT statistics

The average number of unique visitors each day in May 2007 was 2525 or 78,227 for the entire month. We had a spike in April of 3692 each day or 110,761 for the entire month. We use a third-party verified statistics monitoring provider, not the number in the side bar.

A visitor to the site may be someone who clicked a link from a search engine and immediately closed the window - that session is kept alive for 15 minutes counting them among that number longer than they might actually here. A visitor may be a search engine spider, but they don't crawl that often, never more than once per day. We did have some bots over the past few weeks, but Yelvington has been heroically battling them.

I'm happy to share numbers with you until your eyes glaze over - just ask :)

TheOyster
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TheOyster 06/21/07 - 05:31 pm
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So right now there are 1,695

So right now there are 1,695 visitors to the site online reading about how many people are visiting the site at this moment....

Kelly_Hero
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Kelly_Hero 06/21/07 - 06:06 pm
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To Blog or Not To Blog

For me, it varies. There are some days when I'll type out a whole, long reply to a blog and at the end of it decide it's just not worth it and wipe it out. Then, there are days when all I have time to do is come in and read, even if I do have something to say. And then, there are times when I KNOW putting my two cents in would be like handing OW a loaded gun and begging him to blow my head off. ;o)

So basically, unless I know what I'm talking about, I usually live by the philosophy that Sanddollar (I think it was him) used to have in his signature - "It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to open it and prove them right."

bidone
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bidone 06/21/07 - 06:21 pm
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also

Also,
In order to get truely accurate stats you need to go line by line by IP and remove all the automated visitors. You can usually tell they are automated as they visit without transfering data. I just checked another of my sites and found 68% of all unique visitors were automated.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

LisaSmith
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LisaSmith 06/21/07 - 06:39 pm
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And more stats

I can't get right to the moment, but between 5 pm and 6 pm there were 168 unique visitors and they viewed 570 pages.

Automated visitors are removed from the statistics I cited, but they may be reflected in that number in the side bar - that merely reflects active connections at the time, and as I said previously are not counted as actual statistics.

(edited to add)

Hourly Unique Visitors are defined as a visitor's first visit to your site in an hour period. A page view is counted every time someone visiting your site loads a page in his or her browser. This includes pages that are loaded as a result of the reload and back buttons.

bidone
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bidone 06/21/07 - 06:47 pm
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most popular

Can you tell how many different (non automated) IP addresses there were in that hour?

I dont think there's any doubt that it is the most popular site in Bluffton.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

LisaSmith
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LisaSmith 06/21/07 - 07:08 pm
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No, but I can tell you

In the past hour, of 100 visitors there were 97 unique, non-automated IP addresses. (IP addresses are not retained past that point).

bidone
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bidone 06/21/07 - 07:17 pm
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Thanks Lisa

Lisa,
Thank you so very much for sharing all of that information with us. It's really interesting stuff.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 06/21/07 - 07:26 pm
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Bidone, thank you too ... it

Bidone, thank you too ... it really is "interesting stuff".

Now KH, would I do that to you?! ;) I was thinking more of just grazing you a tad. lol

yelvington
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yelvington 06/22/07 - 07:25 am
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Stats stuff

Some more explanations:

The "Who's online" block works completely differently from the stats Lisa cited.

The analytic stats that we use come from Omniture, a commercial service that automatically ignores spiders. It uses a standard technique involving Javascript, some random numbers, cookies and tiny images that enable it to ignore machine-generated requests. It's as accurate as you can be, given the way the Web works.

The "Who's online" block relies on our blog software's notion of "active sessions within a window of X minutes." It can distinguish between logged-in users and mere visitors.

A spider can create an active visitor session. But there are really only a dozen or so legitimate spiders.

The real problem is completely different. Like many high-profile sites, we're frequently swarmed by armies of "zombies," or "botnets." That will cause the visitor count in the "Who's online" block to spike. These zombies are virus-infected PCs running Windows XP, and the owners generally don't even know they're infected. They're trying to spread spam and/or viruses. Our server is immune but they keep trying.

We've blocked several hundred of the most abusive bots because they were dragging the server down, and we've added filters that drop connections whenever certain patterns are sensed.

The real fix would be to make all Microsoft software quietly disappear from the planet. It's dangerously insecure and virus-prone.

If you must run Windows, please replace Internet Explorer with Firefox, and Outlook/Outlook Express with Thunderbird. They're far more secure. And if you don't have a hardware firewall (a router or wireless access point) on your cable modem line, get one and have it configured properly.

jstrait
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jstrait 06/22/07 - 07:37 am
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now y'all

have totally lost me! ROFLMKO I've been trying to follow along, non-automated IP addresses, IP addresses,unique addresses, zombies and spiders, botnets etc... I'mm seriously doomed:>( I'll just stick with what I know...look who is on-line and chatting!!

Next time you think you're perfect, try walking on water!

ObnoxiousWit
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ObnoxiousWit 06/22/07 - 09:32 am
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There's so much sickness in

There's so much sickness in the world of computers ... we need to come up with a vaccine. lol

peachblossom
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peachblossom 06/22/07 - 09:59 am
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Thanks so much

Thanks so much all you knowledgeable people. One thing I still don't know, and if it was answered in a way I don't understand, please forgive me, but are guests who are reading the blogs differentiated from guests who are reading the paper?

And to some others: So WHAT if OW or anyone else makes you feel dumb? So what if you ARE dumb? Don't you want to know if what you think should maybe be re-thought?

I can tell you this: when I was in my 20s, I knew everything. Now I know almost nothing, and the world is a much more interesting place. I care what YOU think, and if I get a little strong sometimes, well, I'm sorry. I really DO wish more people would jump in and get wet even if they are already "all wet."

yelvington
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yelvington 06/22/07 - 10:11 am
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Paper readers

PB, I assume you mean reading the electronic conversion of the paper.

If they wander through the main site on their way to the PDF conversion, then, yes, they're going to show up in the "Who's online" block.

peachblossom
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peachblossom 06/22/07 - 10:24 am
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Yep.

Yep. That's what I meant. Thanks, Yelvington. I thought it must be that way because I usually stay logged-in even tho I'm struggling to find out what I missed that has someone all het up.

BTW, one of my favorite things about BT is the fact that you CAN read as-printed back issues on line.

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