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RayAP19
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01:26:33 AM 19th May 2013
I asked this a couple days ago, and I apologize for having to ask again, but I'm still not 100% clear.

If I see a trope listing on the main page that I disagree with, but could be argued both ways objectively, do I have the right to move that trope entry to the page's YMMV section? If not, what should I do?
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SeptimusHeap
02:38:01 PM 18th May 2013
YMMV is only for YMMV items. The rest of your question depends upon what your disagreement is.
RayAP19
02:39:44 PM 18th May 2013
edited by RayAP19
The first thing that I can think of is this:

On the main page for The Shield, there's an entry for Idiot Ball that involves other wrestlers not running when they come out, since they have the time to do so because of how long The Shield takes to get to the ring.

I feel like this is basically a judgment call, since a lot of the wrestlers in question have the "Death before dishonor" mentality, and I don't think it's fair to say that they're holding an idiot ball in that situation. They know that they're outnumbered and they could run if they wanted, but they choose not to. They take the ass-kicking "like a man." It's a common staple of babyface wrestlers, who The Shield targets 99% of the time.

What should I do? And what can and cannot go under YMMV?
SeptimusHeap
02:46:25 PM 18th May 2013
Already answered the second question.

On the first, Idiot Ball is when the stupid moment advances the work. That would apply even in your case.
RayAP19
02:47:33 PM 18th May 2013
edited by RayAP19
Saying "YMMV is only for YMMV items" doesn't really help me... sounds like a case of Shaped Like Itself.

And my point is that it's NOT a moment of stupidity. Stupidity implies someone doesn't know they can do something.
SeptimusHeap
02:53:08 PM 18th May 2013
If it's not an Audience Reaction or YMMV trope, it doesn't belong on YMMV.

You said that their reaction may be normal. That does not make it "not stupid"
RayAP19
02:55:56 PM 18th May 2013
If a trope is considered a "YMMV trope," will it be listed on the trope's main page as a reminder?

Also, yes, that doesn't make it not stupid, but it doesn't mean it CAN'T be "not stupid." Like I said, it's an issue of "honor" as opposed to "stupidity." Nobody in the context of the show ever treats those people like they're stupid for not running away.
SeptimusHeap
02:58:36 PM 18th May 2013
No, YMMV stays on YMMV.

I would file your example under Honor Before Reason.
RayAP19
03:01:26 PM 18th May 2013
No, I mean, if a trope is considered "a YMMV trope," how do we know?
SeptimusHeap
03:03:13 PM 18th May 2013
It has a big banner on its page saying that.
Catbert
03:16:58 PM 18th May 2013
edited by Catbert
YMMV pages are listed at YMMV.
helterskelter
06:50:37 PM 18th May 2013
These are our YMMV tropes. I'm sorry it wasn't made clearer, but on this wiki, "YMMV" isn't so much the literal phrase as "this is a subjective Audience Reaction trope and goes on a different part of the wiki". If someone says "that's YMMV", it doesn't mean "this is up for debate", it means "this is a YMMV trope". When you visit a YMMV page, there's a large banner at the top saying that it is. On that note, never say on an entry "YMMV, but...".

The YMMV page is for only YMMV tropes. Idiot Ball is not listed as a YMMV trope, so it does not belong on the YMMV subpage (although I'm not sure why it isn't a YMMV trope, given that the nature of something like this is purely Audience Reaction and especially since Idiot Plot is YMMV).
SeptimusHeap
01:26:33 AM 19th May 2013
Idiot Plot is YMMV apparently due to misuse concerns. Idiot Ball requires being portrayed as stupid.

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LargoQuagmire
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01:25:41 AM 19th May 2013
So I made an edit on Tumblr using And The Fandom Rejoiced, but it was removed for not being in-universe. I don't care if the entry stays or not, but I'd like to know what counts as In-Universe and Out of Universe for pages like Tumblr/other websites, so I can avoid that mistake in the future.
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SeptimusHeap
01:12:20 PM 18th May 2013
You aren't supposed to wick to that.
DunDun
03:14:20 PM 18th May 2013
In other words, it was removed 'cause it's a YMMV trope, which aren't supposed to be in the example lists of works. Can't really help with your question, though. It probably depends on the site.
helterskelter
06:57:44 PM 18th May 2013
^ No, not quite.

And The Fandom Rejoiced is now a Sugar Wiki trope. Sugar Wiki tropes, like Darth Wiki tropes, do not foster examples outside of the Sugar Wiki itself. Sugar Wiki is for gushing, Darth Wiki is for complaining. The only exceptions are for in-universe examples—for instance, if Alice gets really excited in The Tv Tropes Show that Wonder Woman is getting a movie—and simply to link to the Sugar Wiki to mention that a work has a page there.

Real life doesn't count as "in universe"—that's only for fiction.
DunDun
07:55:35 PM 18th May 2013
Does its placement on the Sugar Wiki override its status as YMMV? Wouldn't its placement on Sugar Wiki mean it's no longer YMMV given that In Universe examples are okay (while YMMV is always supposed to go on the YMMV tab while Sugar Wiki tropes must be in-universe to warrant being in the Main example list)?

I realize you said "not quite," but I'm just asking so I know for future reference. I've heard that YMMV has a crap ton of issues but haven't looked into it that much; if there are threads/other discussions with the answers to the above, I would appreciate being sent to them.
SeptimusHeap
01:25:41 AM 19th May 2013
Dun Dun,

In Universe examples are always OK even if it's YMMV. See What Goes Where On The Wiki.

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Komodin
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10:58:26 PM 18th May 2013
Uh, I think we got a potential troublemaker over here.

You see, earlier today, the user Irrelevant422 made an edit to the YMMV.Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog page, adding this entry:

  • Some Anvils Need To Be Dropped: Okay sure 99 percent of the Sonic Sez bits are asinine/dumb/confusing and while 'If somebody tries to touch you' is pretty 'no dull', please keep in mind that abused children can easily be scared/shamed into keeping quiet about sad abuse for years.

I figured that, while it's legit, the entry was a tad natterish and soapboxy, so I edited it to this:

Now, I do humbly apologize if this is now a zero context example since I made the edit on a phone at the time. However, just a few minutes ago, Irrelevant422 posted this on the above-linked discussion page:

"The moderators support rape-shaming culture. If you're going to cut down on a trope as important as 'children are shamed into lying about abuse' you support it. I've seen tropes longer than that left alone. Don't PM me about saying such a thing is left for forums and then claim some anvils need to be dropped, leave the original message alone or delete it completely."

Now, I don't support rape-shaming or anything ghastly like that, but I think this user could potentially be a problem, going by the way they responded there. Can a moderator please step in on this matter before things turned more sour?
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nrjxll
08:30:50 PM 17th May 2013
I think I understand where s/he's coming from, but that does seem inappropriate.
FastEddie
moderator
09:05:08 PM 17th May 2013
edited by FastEddie
The moderators have no position on "rape shaming culture" whatever that might be. The examples are not a venue for social justice agendas. Example removed.
helterskelter
09:22:05 PM 17th May 2013
Most of the entry would be okay, though right?— it's adding the appropriate amount of context, which I heartily approve of (makes it a lot easier to keep a page clean, as you don't need to have personally watched something in order to understand it). However, phrasing things like "keep in mind" is the issue—it's acting like it's talking to you (which is Natter), and being a tad condescending in that it's assuming that the reader was being judgmental and ignorant.
InsanityPrelude
10:05:22 PM 17th May 2013
I agree with helterskelter, it would work fine with some rewording.
Basterd
06:14:31 AM 18th May 2013
edited by Basterd
Oh, for crying out loud! It's not a matter of shaming rape victims into silence. It's a matter of keeping the Wiki alive. We are not pro-rape, not in a million years. But these things are settled in courts, not on Wikis.

Irrelevant422 can go be a public defender, if they're so inclined.
InsanityPrelude
12:46:31 PM 18th May 2013
Uh, what? I don't think "it's true that sexual harassment is bad" is the kind of thing that puts the wiki at risk, dood.
Basterd
01:10:34 PM 18th May 2013
Tell that to Google, dood.
InsanityPrelude
08:15:44 PM 18th May 2013
If just mentioning rape was enough to get us in trouble with Google, the Sexual Harassment And Rape Tropes would never have been restored.
DunDun
08:59:48 PM 18th May 2013
I think the first change was fine if a bit ZCE. I hope my change gives it enough information to make it a proper example while remaining off the soapbox. I would avoid using "rape" since that's not the typically used word in regards to children; "sexually abused" or "molested" would be understood well enough, I think ("molest" being easier to prove and prosecute in court).

The change I propose is:
  • Some Anvils Need To Be Dropped: The Sonic Sez for "Lovesick Sonic," dealing with remaining quiet over the years after being sexually abused as a child.
helterskelter
10:58:26 PM 18th May 2013
Actually, I wouldn't object to including the bit about them being cheesy—I think it's important to the trope itself. It's Anvilicious because of how cheesy it is, it needs to be dropped because of the nature of the anvil. Otherwise, that works...although maybe this is better for the discussion page.

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MissKitten
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08:03:43 PM 18th May 2013
edited by MissKitten
The YKTTW Paper Ram needs to be unlaunched. It wasn't ready, had zero hats, and there was an ongoing discussion about the name and legitimacy of the trope, but they were ignored and was launched anyway.
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IlVit
06:51:54 PM 18th May 2013
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DunDun
08:03:43 PM 18th May 2013
Paper Ram was discussed in the crash rescue thread. It looks like the person did the same for multiple drafts (link to relevant page in thread).

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DAN004
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08:00:34 PM 18th May 2013
Maybe this isn't the right place, but: Is Weapon Of Choice supposed to be how a weapon described the wielder's philosophy & personality (like the description shows) or just the wielder's signature weapon (as the example section shows)?
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DunDun
08:00:34 PM 18th May 2013
Weapon of Choice now in Projects: Long term/perpetual. I think this question (and discussion) should go in the thread.

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Irene
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06:08:29 PM 18th May 2013
Okay, I know of the using Darth Wiki itself for unpublished works.

Let's say, for instance, I'm making a game. If I have an actual page(or set of pages) via a website that has stuff on it about the game(for instance a moveset for each char, etc.), does this count as enough data to treat it as a Fan Game, or should it stay in Darth Wiki? I'm sure it stays in Darth Wiki till an actual demo of the game comes out, but I want to be absolutely sure.
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Basterd
05:38:30 AM 18th May 2013
Projects in development are Darth Wiki material. Feel free to make a page for it after it's completed and available to the public.
Irene
06:08:29 PM 18th May 2013
I presume that'll include if there is nothing but website data without actual game data itself, right? If so, got it. Thanks for the answer, Basterd.

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Parable
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04:42:26 PM 18th May 2013
Is Beady Eyed Loser supposed to be an index? Putting an example on the trope page will add an index to the work page the example came from.
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PPPSSC
03:39:00 PM 18th May 2013
Fixed.
Parable
04:42:26 PM 18th May 2013
Thank you.

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StarSword
Medium: Music
01:14:35 PM 18th May 2013
Got a YKTTW called Sentenced to Down Under and need an answer on whether or not linking to a music video on You Tube of U2's "Van Diemen's Land" is permissible. Drac Monster and I think it is but the sponsor feels iffy.
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SeptimusHeap
01:14:35 PM 18th May 2013
Replied.

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TeraChimera
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11:53:31 AM 18th May 2013
Links to the "A Boy A Girl And A Baby Family" trope are acting up somehow. Out of the three kinds of links I've tried (ABoyAGirlAndABabyFamily, {{A Boy A Girl And A Baby Family}}, [[ABoyAGirlAndABabyFamily A Boy A Girl And A Baby Family]]), all of them result in the link disappearing when the edit is finalized or "Preview" is clicked, even though it still appears if you look for it in "Source".
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FastEddie
moderator
11:53:31 AM 18th May 2013
fixed

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Chabal2
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10:07:05 AM 18th May 2013
Page image for The Hunter is 404'd.
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SeptimusHeap
01:46:47 PM 14th May 2013
Fixed.
Chabal2
10:47:29 PM 15th May 2013
SeptimusHeap
11:04:50 PM 15th May 2013
Try to change the capitalization of the filename ending, e.g .jpg to . JPG
Chabal2
10:14:17 PM 16th May 2013
Yep, that worked. Thanks.
Morgenthaler
09:02:50 AM 18th May 2013
I've seen this on several other pages, and capitalization fixed the 404 error on Historical Villain Upgrade. However, the poster image on Apocalypse Now still doesn't work, at least in the page preview.
Telcontar
10:07:05 AM 18th May 2013
Apocalypse Now took a bit of guessing at likely capitalisations. Fixed now — lowercase filename, capital A, lowercase N.

It turns out that a bunch of images now no longer show up in the image list at all, including this one. Annoying.

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SeptimusHeap
09:38:44 AM 18th May 2013
Ahem, that doesn't look like a ban evader to me - and the Badass example needs some context anyway.

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Tuckerscreator
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09:04:09 AM 18th May 2013
On the page for My Little Pony Equestria Girls, two reviews are already published, both of which are merely soapboxes stating "this movie won't be bad, don't freak out about yet". Though that may be true, the movie hasn't come out yet and thus there's nothing to review. As neither of them are reviews, should they be deleted?
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CobraPrime
11:45:15 AM 16th May 2013
Yup
FastEddie
moderator
11:46:23 AM 16th May 2013
They aren't hurting anything.
Tuckerscreator
06:08:49 PM 16th May 2013
edited by Tuckerscreator
True, for now, but they might result in more psuedo-reviews that are merely complaining about people disliking the film when, as pointed out, the film isn't even out yet. It's entirely not what a review should be.
dakinebrah
06:56:18 PM 16th May 2013
It's better for them to ward off the endless amount of angry bronies that have infested other boards. At the very least, have a custom mod note (if that's at all possible) or something.
helterskelter
08:29:51 AM 17th May 2013
edited by helterskelter
I say kill 'em. MLP isn't special, and it doesn't get special 'but I don't like that you don't like the things I like!' fake reviews. Yeesh. If FE says they stay, there it is, but I don't think this precedent and if other people get the same idea, it'll be very unfair that one group of fans is being allowed something no one else is.
StarSword
08:51:29 AM 17th May 2013
^Agree. Kill both reviews, maybe impose a page lock until the movie actually comes out. As it stands, it's just Complaining About People Not Liking The Show.
FastEddie
moderator
08:57:10 AM 17th May 2013
People do this all the time, for all sorts of different coming attractions. Nobody has died from it yet. Reviews are the only place we tolerate opinions. Might as well let 'em yap.
JackAlsworth
10:02:14 AM 17th May 2013
Seems to me like both of the reviews are reviewing the trailer, and being obvious about it. Rotten Tomatoes lets people do something similar (for some reason, you're allowed to submit a star score for a movie that isn't out yet). I agree that it's kind of a dumb precedent, but it is a precedent, and as Eddie said, no one's died yet.
SgtFrog1
09:04:09 AM 18th May 2013
Well, at least the reviews are of the "Everyone! Calm down! This is almost guaranteed not to be as bad as everyone thinks it's going to be!" type rather than the "You don't need to watch the entire thing to know it's going to be crap."

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CaitsMeow
Medium: Anime
08:41:29 AM 18th May 2013
edited by CaitsMeow
I hate to keep complaining about this over and over, but JBL Cole, aka 123Miguel / Michael Cole 2 / Awesome Kong / whatever other sock account he's used before has surfaced /again/ to start deleting examples he doesn't like from pages (i.e. the one for Doki Doki Precure) because of some inane shipping-related BS. He's also natter-fied me simply for restoring the items he deleted for no reason outside of 'this interferes with my yuri fantasies'.
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FastEddie
moderator
11:50:07 AM 16th May 2013
suspended
CaitsMeow
08:36:35 AM 18th May 2013
A-and he's popped up again, under the name xQuentinv57x. I wish I knew what this guy's problem was.
blackcat
moderator
08:41:29 AM 18th May 2013
Suspended

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emeriin
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11:38:21 PM 17th May 2013
edited by emeriin
There's a suspiciously new account agreeing with Tacoma Jones and going after every criticism of New!Critic like he and Tiggle3 did.
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emeriin
11:59:16 PM 16th May 2013
bump?
FastEddie
moderator
08:54:54 AM 17th May 2013
I dropped a line in the discussion.
bienne
11:38:21 PM 17th May 2013
Bump again. He's demanding proof for any agreements he doesn't like, and defending anything he does with "it was obviously MEANT to be like that!"

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Ultimatum
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03:27:17 PM 17th May 2013
So the image on Accidental Innuendo has a black bar going through it some text,this is not present in the original image,should it be swapped for the image without the black bar?
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SeptimusHeap
03:27:17 PM 17th May 2013
It's been selected in the IP thread for this.

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Spinosegnosaurus77
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08:48:13 AM 17th May 2013
Why does Ray Harryhausen redirect to Harryhausen Movie (instead of the reverse)?
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IlVit
05:12:31 AM 15th May 2013
I dunno. Feel free to fix it and give Harryhausen his own page.
StarSword
10:45:31 AM 15th May 2013
edited by StarSword
Frankly that page needs to be ripped up by the roots. The description's a gushy bio of Harryhausen (that belongs on a creator page), and the examples are films he worked on, adaptations of them, stuff that was inspired by his work (belongs on Trivia subpages for the works or Shout Out entries), and stuff that vaguely looks like something Harryhausen did (Not A Trope). I'm also not seeing a YKTTW archive attached, but it looks like much of the page history is missing so I can't tell how old it is.
Larkmarn
01:36:01 PM 15th May 2013
... holy crap that's bad.
IlVit
03:15:57 PM 15th May 2013
Yeh. I know nothing about this guy, but that page needs a serious cleanup.
StarSword
08:48:13 AM 17th May 2013

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helterskelter
Medium:
08:32:56 AM 17th May 2013
I PM'd troper KevinandVincent about adding tropes to Creator pages that don't apply to their work around 9AM EST May 10th informing him on the rule. He thanked me, but since then has added tropes to actresses pages like Brown Eyes, Canada Eh, Hot Mom, Ms Fanservice, Nerds Are Sexy all without context and some referencing only the actress.
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helterskelter
08:32:56 AM 17th May 2013
He's still adding 'em in. Outdoorsy Gal to Rachel Nichols, though to his credit he took out Brainy Brunette.

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MagBas
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08:28:44 AM 17th May 2013
In Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012, Red Hoods Shadows merged the Karai and Miwa entries using as argument the overwhelming amount of evidence to the two being the same person- but they noted in the discussion page that it was not confirmed yet. Opinions?
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Nocturna
08:28:44 AM 17th May 2013
My thoughts would be that if it's not officially confirmed, they shouldn't be merged. Our pages (aside from WMG) don't deal in speculation.

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Psyga315
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07:10:26 AM 17th May 2013
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SeptimusHeap
07:10:26 AM 17th May 2013
Fixed. The filename had Grinch instead of grinch; the new image server is case-sensitive now.


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Mullon
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04:21:20 PM 16th May 2013
What's the difference between Prince Charmless and Royal Brat?
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MagBas
04:21:20 PM 16th May 2013
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Hodor
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01:39:37 PM 16th May 2013
Kind of wonder about Connor Bible- have sort of been keeping an eye on their edits because of previous bad Complete Monster examples they added to Malcolm In The Middle and YMMV/Juno, and The Breakfast Club (among other works).

They aren't doing that any more, but they have this weird sort of Single Issue Wonk toward various works (usually ones involving Hilariously Abusive Childhood). Its hard to exactly explain...
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Basterd
01:39:37 PM 16th May 2013
Delete inaccurate examples as you find them. If this continues, PM them kindly explaining where they're wrong. If all else fails, call a Mod.

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RayAP19
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11:45:15 AM 16th May 2013
How should I handle entries listed on the main page for a work/medium, but I feel like it should be a YMMV since it's more opinionated than fact based? For example:

On the main page for The Shield, there's an entry for Idiot Ball that involves other wrestlers not running when they come out, since they have the time to do so because of how long The Shield takes to get to the ring.

I feel like this is basically a judgment call, since a lot of the wrestlers in question have the "Death before dishonor" mentality, and I don't think it's fair to say that they're holding an idiot ball in that situation.

Would I be right to just move that to YMMV? In other cases, if I disagree with another troper's interpretation of a trope, what should I do?
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FastEddie
moderator
10:42:23 AM 16th May 2013
Idiot Ball could be moved to the YMMV tab pretty easily. A lot of people have problems distinguishing between the quality of their hindsight and the "idiocy" of characters. Polite way of saying some people are not quite as smart as they think they are.

Can't give you a blanket response for interpretation differences. Usually it is a good clue a discussion on YMMV-ness should be launched.
RayAP19
10:50:06 AM 16th May 2013
When you say "Usually it is a good clue a discussion on YMMV-ness should be launched," what do you mean by that? Sorry if I'm being a little slow right now.
MrDeath
10:55:59 AM 16th May 2013
I thought it was that tropes only go on the YMMV page if they're YMMV tropes, and if it's a non-YMMV trope that is more opinionated than fact, it's just not an example? Or am I mistaken on that?
SeptimusHeap
11:45:15 AM 16th May 2013
The subjective version of Idiot Ball is What An Idiot, which is YMMV.

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MrDeath
Medium:
10:21:14 AM 16th May 2013
edited by MrDeath
under has some kind of agenda regarding the Hyenas in The Lion King and is continually whitewashing their actions. He's now edit warring over it.

Oh, and he misused the Natterfy button, sending me three of them for reverting his gushing.
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FastEddie
moderator
08:18:35 AM 15th May 2013
Suspended. Probably banned, as this is a third strike.
JoieDeCombat
09:00:55 AM 16th May 2013
He's improperly natter-fied me a couple times this morning as well - for edits I made removing some particularly gratuitous and mostly all-caps natter on the Headscratchers page.
MrDeath
09:30:08 AM 16th May 2013
And judging by his responses on the suspended thread...wow is he not getting the point.
FastEddie
moderator
10:21:14 AM 16th May 2013
Yeah, third strike.

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MagBas
Medium:
09:10:34 AM 16th May 2013
I removed a character derailment example in Xena Warrior Princess explaining that character derailment is listed in the Flame Bait page but Laudanum put character derailment there again, 29 minutes after this.
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helterskelter
08:35:49 PM 14th May 2013
edited by helterskelter
Hm. A couple of things:

  • The image for Flame Bait is broken.
  • Character Derailment has entire subpages and isn't on Darth Wiki, though is listed on Flame Bait. Is also lists No Real Life Examples, which ought to be redundant if it's literally supposed to have no examples. It even says "it only counts if...", which should also be unnecessary. I don't blame them for adding it back. They seem to be trying to follow the rules, but the rules are confusing.
  • It doesn't have a banner, which a hidden comment notes.
  • That person is making quite a bit of grammar errors.
FastEddie
moderator
07:31:42 AM 15th May 2013
  • The flame bait icon has been repaired. Case sensitivity issue.
  • Will repair that banner lack today.
  • Will suspend for a chat about grammar help.
MagBas
01:34:59 PM 15th May 2013
Thanks.
MagBas
09:10:34 AM 16th May 2013
edited by MagBas
Laudanum included again a bit of natter i removed in Hercules The Legendary Journeys with the edit reason "natter". Their edit reason was "This is necessary to explain character motivation. IF anyone has a problem with it, then they can edit it so it fits. "

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SpazAttackComms
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08:08:24 AM 16th May 2013
A question regarding the creation of a trope page; is it possible to edit a previously made page's hyperlink or do i need to create a whole new one?

EX: turning this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/SpazAttackCommentaries

into this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpazAttackCommentaries

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SpazAttackComms
08:10:04 PM 15th May 2013
actually.....nevermind. im just an idiot

Zyffyr
08:39:43 PM 15th May 2013
While, as you have discovered, it is possible... it doesn't belong in Main and won't remain there for very long.
IlVit
04:21:25 AM 16th May 2013
Also, Spaz Attack Comedies should go in Web Original/, not Video Game/.
Nocturna
08:08:24 AM 16th May 2013
^ Web Original/ is mostly deprecated; only web-based works which defy categorization should go in there. It sounds like this would be either Lets Play/ or Web Video/.

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Hodor
Medium:
07:16:04 AM 16th May 2013
edited by Hodor
Noticing bashing/complaining entries by a troper called "Korm" on Game Of Thrones

Edit- Thanks for the correction, not sure how I missed that.
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Telcontar
07:16:04 AM 16th May 2013
The edit list trouble might come from the fact that it's Korm with an M. Link. (Haven't got time to check them myself.)

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Withoutaname
Medium:
07:13:48 AM 16th May 2013
edited by Withoutaname
How do I revert recent edits to pages? Adult Fear (history) has just been vandalized by Wynne101
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Deadbeatloser22
moderator
02:59:28 AM 16th May 2013
Fixed. For most users there isn't really a way to do it other than manually copy-pasting bits from the edit history.
MrDeath
07:13:48 AM 16th May 2013
That is just weird. It seems like they just removed every instance of the word "one". Some kind of really screwy nanny bot, maybe?

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RevolutionStone
Medium: Music
07:04:44 AM 16th May 2013
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/Rap

Complaining and arguing and drama...
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IlVit
04:19:05 AM 16th May 2013
Yeah, that's gonna need a lot of work. Natter ahoy.
Basterd
06:59:34 AM 16th May 2013
That whole page belongs in a complaint thread on a totally different website...
SeptimusHeap
07:04:44 AM 16th May 2013
That looks like it's better suited for a forum thread. One we already have. Any objections to cutting this and adding a link to the forum thread to the discussion page?

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celticwhisper
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06:39:26 AM 16th May 2013
edited by celticwhisper
So what's our policy on using spoiler tags as poor-troper's trigger warnings? I try to sift through the wiki every once in a while to uphold the official "No trigger warnings except on Fanfic Recs" rule, but I've noticed that in some cases pages will have text (which does not constitute plot-spoiling revelations) spoilered out because it contains the word "rape" or references self-destructive behavior like cutting.

The Politician's Husband was an example of a page that contained a trigger warning in the work summary and spoilered "trigger text." I went ahead and removed that to bring it in line with the "no T Ws outside FFR" policy, but there's an accompanying work The Politician's Wife which, while the page lacks the explicitly-stated trigger-warning text in the summary, still contains "trigger spoilers" in the trope list.

My inclination is to remove them as their use is clearly intended simply to mask trigger-warning-related words and not to actually preserve plot, but as I'm not personally familiar with the work, I also of course don't want to accidentally ruin the plot by mistakenly unhiding a legitimate spoiler.

Can someone provide a little clarification on what to do in these cases? Kimya Dawson is another example of spoiler tags used in a non-plot context. I went ahead and removed them as well, citing the Wiki Talk discussion wherein "No warnings outside fanfic recs" was originally agreed upon and made official.

Thanks in advance for the help.
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IlVit
02:59:09 PM 15th May 2013
edited by IlVit
NEVER spoiler tag a description or a potential trigger word. Ever. In that case, it looks like the tropes relating to rape are spoilered because of plot reasons, though. If there is something that spoils the plot of a work in a description, delete the spoiler. A troper actually got suspended for this a few months ago when they spoiler tagged anti-transgender slurs on Transsexual's description.

EDIT: I see you went and unspoilered the trigger words. If they respoiler it again, talk to a mod here, as they shouldn't be spoilering trigger words.
celticwhisper
03:05:40 PM 15th May 2013
Righto, got it. What about in the trope list below the description? The Kimya Dawson page is a good example - the "cut yourself, burn yourself, kill yourself" text under Album Title Drop was spoilered even though it wasn't actually a spoiler (and, being a song, there was arguably no plot to spoil in the first place). I unspoilered it - should I continue to do so? I figured that the only time something should ever be spoilered (irrespective of how disturbing it may be) is if it directly ruins a plot point. Is that about correct?
IlVit
03:07:08 PM 15th May 2013
edited by IlVit
Yup. Unless it's some sort of joke, which'll usually be found on the forums or a Just For Fun page. You shouldn't spoiler FanFic Recs descriptions either, only put trigger warnings in the descriptions.
IlVit
03:30:31 PM 15th May 2013
edited by IlVit
Aaaand they went back and respoilered the page. PM'd.

EDIT: I also went to the Editing Locked Pages thread to ask if some text preventing this sort of thing could be added to Handling Spoilers.
celticwhisper
05:22:00 PM 15th May 2013
Also noticing the The Politician's Wife has an NSFW warning. We keep those around, right?
IlVit
07:40:18 PM 15th May 2013
Not usually.
celticwhisper
06:39:26 AM 16th May 2013
Well alrighty then, that makes things easy.

Thanks, II Vit.

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MagBas
Medium:
03:14:24 PM 15th May 2013
17 jan, randomfox put a so bad it is horrible example in Silent Hill Revelation 3 D. In 18 jan, I removed this with "so bad its horrible is Flame Bait and can not be used" as edit reason. 15 may, randomthefox put it back.
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Tropesofknowledge
03:08:03 PM 15th May 2013
bump
IlVit
03:14:24 PM 15th May 2013
edited by IlVit
Huh. So randomfox is back. Mods.

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starlite383
Medium:
02:58:53 PM 15th May 2013
Hello again! I have another quick newbie question. How does one white out spoilers? Thanks again for your help!
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IlVit
02:54:16 PM 15th May 2013
edited by IlVit
By "white out", you mean display, right? If you do, just click and drag your mouse over them. If you mean "unhiglight the spoiler", then just click anywhere else on the page.
starlite383
02:58:53 PM 15th May 2013
I was looking for the code, but I found it.

Thanks anyways, though! =)

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starlite383
Medium:
02:21:16 PM 15th May 2013
Hello. This is a complete newbie question, but how does one create a hyperlink out of normal text? I see it all the time. I understand how to use Wiki Words, but what if I want to make a piece of my OWN text become clickable and redirect to somewhere else? As a crude example, one such instance would be clicking the word "google" and being sent to the actual website. I have a feeling that it's quite simple, but I can't find the code. Thank you!
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Deadbeatloser22
moderator
02:05:20 PM 15th May 2013
See Pot Hole.
Telcontar
02:21:16 PM 15th May 2013
The short version which means you won't have to look through the Text Formatting Rules (though doing so is always good):

[[WikiWord clicky!]] gives clicky!.

[[http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/TV_Tropes external link clicky!]] gives external link clicky!.

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MsCC93
Medium: Western Animation
02:00:23 PM 15th May 2013
MagicallyMe keeps on removing a certain example on the Protagonist Centered Morality page for the show My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic. I really don't want to start an edit war, so I came her first.

Here's the example that keeps getting deleted

  • In "Boast Busters" Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Applejack take issue with Trixie's magic show and boasting, despite all three doing plenty of boasting themselves and begin heckling her for little if any reason. By the end of the episode Trixie's home and possessions are destroyed by an Ursa Minor and the main culprits of the bear being brought there, Snips and Snails, get mustaches as 'punishment'. While Twilight is the one to (indirect) humiliate her, Twilight's friends were practically gloating at the ruination of someone else's livelihood and home for behavior less problematic they themselves have and would do.
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DracMonster
10:56:15 AM 11th May 2013
edited by DracMonster
Shouldnt Protagonist Centered Morality be a YMMV page? It doesn't look objective.

Anyway, did you try PMing Magically Me or bringing it to the discussion page to work it out? I've never seen this but on the face of it, it does sound iffy. A bit of hypocrisy isn't quite the same as the universe's moral compass centering around a character.
MsCC93
11:10:55 AM 11th May 2013
edited by MsCC93
It's not a YMMV trope, and BTW, a discussion was already made. Plus, the fact that Twilight's friends were laughing at someone's misfortune and not getting called out on it may actually cause the example to qualify.
DracMonster
11:46:09 AM 11th May 2013
edited by DracMonster
Yes, I see it now. Commented. We'll see if this stays civil.

I think this page is one from before YMMV was implemented, it's probably one that should be changed, it definitely looks like Audience Reaction territory. (Witness all the arguments on the discussion page.)
MagBas
02:00:23 PM 15th May 2013
edited by MagBas
Reading the recent discussion in the discussion page, it really sounds as YMMV.

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nrjxll
Medium:
10:21:43 AM 15th May 2013
edited by nrjxll
What the heck is with the second caption on the image for Dug Too Deep?
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Telcontar
04:28:57 AM 13th May 2013
It gives credit to the artist of the image, who happens to be a troper. The spikes thing is a reference to Dwarf Fortress — see the pothole.
SeptimusHeap
04:29:18 AM 13th May 2013
Trope Eater added it somewhere in February.
DunDun
06:05:14 AM 13th May 2013
Shouldn't the image then just be a pothole to the troper's page? Or just have that second caption in note markup in the first caption?
nrjxll
01:26:40 PM 13th May 2013
There's got to be a better way to do it, then, because it's unintelligible and kind of ugly as it is now.
dakinebrah
08:43:31 PM 13th May 2013
Just add a note markup. It's not that obtrusive.
DunDun
09:12:25 AM 15th May 2013
I put it in note markup, but should the pothole to Dwarf Fortress be omitted? Comment markup says it's a spoiler (didn't want to do it myself since I'm not familiar with DF and the person who potholed it in the first place had to have seen the comment... probably...).
Basterd
09:42:43 AM 15th May 2013
Much better.
Telcontar
10:21:43 AM 15th May 2013
The caption is in itself a non-spoiler reference to DF; the pothole there is fine. Having the image potholed there would be a spoiler, but as long as the image isn't so directly associated with the game all should be well.

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randomsurfer
Medium: Film
09:57:49 AM 15th May 2013
edited by randomsurfer
In a Little Rascals short, Froggy is making a speech on the radio and blows out two microphones within the first couple of words because they can't handle his low, froglike voice. He goes to a third and speaks in an aritifically high voice, and that one doesn't break.

What trope would this go under? It doesn't quite match Glass Shattering Sound, Make Me Wanna Shout, or Gale Force Sound. Kind of like Mirror Cracking Ugly, but for a voice.
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SeptimusHeap
08:36:30 AM 15th May 2013
Don't know, but Lost And Found might help.
randomsurfer
09:57:49 AM 15th May 2013
Thanks, I started putting it in LNF but then thought it might be a better question for ATT. Apologies if that's not the case.

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JohnCasey21
Medium: Anime
08:16:01 AM 15th May 2013
edited by JohnCasey21
I'm...really not the world's biggest fan of unlocking YMMV pages that were locked for a reason, but I think an exception has to be made this one time: Monster/Bleach.

The page is missing Yhwach's entry, and...well, there's just some times when Your Mileage May Vary becomes "Your Mileage Is Irrelevant." Sort of like the case with Naoki Urasawa's Monster (hell, the trope IS the title). So, YMMV or not, locked or not, it's high time his entry ends up on that page I think. Basically, I need the page to be unlocked temporarily - enough to add the entry, and lock it back up.
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MrDeath
08:07:13 AM 15th May 2013
There's a section in the forums for editing locked pages, and there's another section specifically about discussing Complete Monster. Those would be the places to discuss this.
Discar
08:16:01 AM 15th May 2013
Here it is.

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SpitefulFox
Medium: Videogame
05:13:43 AM 15th May 2013
So, I've noticed the page for the video game Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is under the mostly nonsensical name of Monaco Mine. I'm assuming that moving it to something like Monaco or Monaco Whats Yours Is Mine is the proper reaction to this, but I'm unsure if I need to leave a redirect when doing this.
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SpitefulFox
01:20:53 AM 14th May 2013
Errr, to be a bit more clear: I'm still fairly new to editing and just want to make sure I have the proper etiquette down for just transplanting a work page.
IlVit
03:19:25 AM 14th May 2013
First off, you have to make a custom title for the page. I already did that, so in a few days or so, you should redirect the page to Monaco Whats Yours Is Mine.
Telcontar
03:25:44 AM 14th May 2013
edited by Telcontar
The page Monaco Mine has very few wicks and inbound links, which means that you don't need to leave a redirect. As long as you move all the wicks to point to the new page with the proper title, you can then cutlist Monaco Mine.

It's always good to check. Happy troping!

Edit: Il Vit, what is a custom title needed for here?
IlVit
05:16:29 AM 14th May 2013
Anything with punctuation in it.
Telcontar
05:47:29 AM 14th May 2013
Well, yes; after moving the page to Monaco Whats Yours Is Mine Fox should request a custom title. That doesn't affect the actual move of the page or leaving a redirect, though, and there's no need to wait a few days. (I think you may mean that you've already requested one for Monaco Whats Yours Is Mine, but they don't work until a page exists.)
IlVit
11:08:56 AM 14th May 2013
Yea, sorry about that.
SpitefulFox
11:54:58 PM 14th May 2013
Looks like someone requested a custom title for Monaco Mine and botched it horribly, since the page title now shows up as "Videogame: Videogame/Monaco:What'sYoursIsMine". I'll go ahead and start an actual page migration now. Thanks for the help!
SpitefulFox
12:16:04 AM 15th May 2013
Also, do I need to cutlist the YMMV and Characters subpages as well as the main one? I've already migrated those to the new title as well.
Telcontar
01:28:00 AM 15th May 2013
Yup. Thanks for your work on this!
IlVit
05:13:43 AM 15th May 2013
edited by IlVit
@Spiteful Fox: Yea, that's my fault. I messed up the custom title submission and put an extra namespace there. Sorry.

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Thecommander236
Medium:
05:09:18 AM 15th May 2013
Tin Tyrant's picture is 404. It is not a cache problem. Since the link is an upload on TV Tropes, I was curious on how this happened.
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Telcontar
05:09:18 AM 15th May 2013
edited by Telcontar
Deadbeatloser fixed it. [1] In recent upgrades, some things have become case-sensitive, so images may not work unless the URL is in the proper case, which means that this gives a 404 but this doesn't.

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Prfnoff
Medium:
01:38:37 AM 15th May 2013
Mikuru Fan just changed the markup for all the links on JustForFun.The Problem With Pen Island. Was this legitimate or was it improper?
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MikuruFan
10:34:21 PM 14th May 2013
edited by MikuruFan
I did this because some of the items listed there didn't actually count. Disc On Tin Unit Y would become Discontinunity, not Discontinuity. Otherwise, the links practically show up as the same on the page, a side effect being that the title at the top of the page will have the Penisland title. Those with punctuation are left as potholes.
MikuruFan
10:36:43 PM 14th May 2013
Additionally, this kind of thing would be better as a PM directed at me, not here.
Telcontar
01:38:37 AM 15th May 2013
Thing is, when done with the potholes you can have a quick and easy way of checking what the link actually is, through mousing over the link or through clicking on it. Neither of those are guaranteed to work when done as plain Wiki Words.

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StarSword
Medium:
06:22:54 PM 14th May 2013
We're cleaning up after an anti-Content Policy Wiki Vandal, boromirfromgondor, but I'm not sure what to do with his two edits to Improbable Power Discrepancy. They're removals of really nattery Thread Mode/Justifying Edit that seem kosher to me, but can I get a second opinion (particularly on whether we can combine any of it into the main example)?
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SeptimusHeap
11:18:31 AM 14th May 2013
These edits don't add much. And just so to save you the time ... I already cleaned up their edits yesterday.
StarSword
11:23:42 AM 14th May 2013
Well, you missed a couple.
SeptimusHeap
12:18:41 PM 14th May 2013
Which ones?
StarSword
06:22:54 PM 14th May 2013
edited by StarSword
I know I zapped one on Real Is Brown (something about him saying Skyrim looked like shit). Trying to remember what the other was. EDIT: It was Hereditary Republic.

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Butterfinger
Medium:
04:45:13 PM 14th May 2013
tgycen vandalized the Characters.Homestuck Trolls Two page. HUNRonin changed it back, but I wasn't sure if anyone addressed tgycen, especially seeing as this was their only edit.
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StarSword
Medium:
12:06:14 PM 14th May 2013
Are we under DDOS attack again? I've been getting a lot of problems with pages coming up as "temporarily unavailable".
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FastEddie
moderator
12:06:14 PM 14th May 2013
Just an usually high level of traffic due to some links on reddit.

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122122
Medium:
12:50:00 PM 13th May 2013
Pasta711 made a rude edit here.
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122122
09:37:59 AM 13th May 2013
BUMP
blackcat
moderator
12:50:00 PM 13th May 2013
PM'ed.

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lrrose
Medium:
10:39:56 AM 13th May 2013
edited by lrrose
Sponge Bat 1 just added a Sonichu example in Fanwork Ban. Most of it seems to just be a Take That at the author. I'm not sure if it is enough grounds to remove it though.

Edit: I edited the example to be more neutral.
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helterskelter
05:58:16 PM 12th May 2013
Isn't this guy handicapped?
IlVit
03:12:32 AM 13th May 2013
No. I actually have the same disorder that he has and while it's not a good thing, it's not really a handicap or a justification for his behavior.
lrrose
05:45:18 AM 13th May 2013
Didn't Sonichu stop updating about two years ago? I'm surprised that people still give a damn about this.
Nohbody
10:00:48 AM 13th May 2013
^ I have yet to hear of a Hatedom where rationality is a defining trait.
dakinebrah
10:39:56 AM 13th May 2013
For the most part, people moved on and found greener pastures. I suspect this is someone playing catchup.

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Hodor
Medium:
09:47:20 AM 13th May 2013
Anti-semitic editing by Nukestein. Pretty sure this is (the banned?) tf2 back under a new name.
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Basterd
07:51:36 AM 13th May 2013
edited by Basterd
Yikes, that was harsh. Bump for justice.

EDIT: Looks like Ultimatum Vandal-zapped him so, I guess we're ok.
blackcat
moderator
09:36:01 AM 13th May 2013
boom.

Hodor
09:47:20 AM 13th May 2013
Thanks.

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DunDun
Medium:
09:15:39 AM 13th May 2013
I've seen article titles in articles (e.g. Oblivion 2013 and trope articles also) bolded and italicized for some strange reason. Should I unbold them? That's what I've been doing, 'cause you don't bold and italicize work titles, you just italicize them.

I thought that was old formatting no one corrected, but then someone added it to Oblivion 2013 and now I'm not sure.
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desdendelle
06:34:42 AM 13th May 2013
edited by desdendelle
That's excessive emphasis. Work titles (Like Star Wars or what-have-you) are supposed to be italicised, but the bold is unnecessary. You can remove it.
StarSword
09:15:39 AM 13th May 2013
edited by StarSword
'Fraid I contributed to some of that (though not that instance). In my case it's mostly force of habit from my days on certain wikis where bolding the first appearance of an article's title in the description is the accepted format. It's that coupled with italicizing the work title because it's a work.

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313Bluestreak
Medium:
06:29:58 AM 13th May 2013
I've put Index Of Solutions on the main index page, but the tropes I've been going to didn't show the index.
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StarSword
09:35:07 PM 12th May 2013
edited by StarSword
Indexing is a little glitchy. Giving the page a whack on the head (in other words, saving an edit to the page, which you can do without changing anything) usually fixes the problem. Took care of it for you and it's working now.
313Bluestreak
06:29:58 AM 13th May 2013
Thank you.

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Hodor
Medium:
05:47:47 AM 13th May 2013
edited by Hodor
Something I brought up a while back and wanted to raise again (given an additional concern):

There is this page Stationery Voyagers that has been entry-pimped all over by Bulldozer Begins, who seems to be the person behind the site.

As far as I can tell (apologies if I am missing something)this work doesn't seem to actually exist in any form except their head.

An additional concern, one aspect of the "work" is apparently a presentation of homosexuals as evil, and that troper has made entries, including one for Life Imitates Art (on the work page and elsewhere) to say that those aspects are Truth In Television.

The "work" apparently has a group of evil gays called the "Crooked Rainbow"- if you search for that, you will find a lot of examples (for a direct illustration, see the example on Life Imitates Art).
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oberoniss
04:05:50 PM 1st May 2013
If it doesn't exist anywhere, then it's not supposed to have a trope page afaik- the fact that they depict homosexuals as evil is kind of questionable, but the only thing we can really do about it is remove the entries the troper's made saying it's Truth In Television (since it obviously is not). We have a page on Mein Kampf, after all; you don't have to agree with it to trope it.
InsanityPrelude
05:11:21 PM 1st May 2013
There's an Unpublished Works section in the darth wiki, unless that's been removed since last time I heard about it- so actually it can have a page. Don't think unpublished works are supposed to be entry pimped, though.

(Wasn't there a case like that before? Paul somethingorother and his nonexistent book.)
nrjxll
09:44:06 PM 1st May 2013
Unpublished works are not supposed to have examples outside of Unpublished Works, let alone be entry pimped.
DunDun
07:37:43 AM 2nd May 2013
That's DarthWiki.Unpublished Works. And works that are in that index are supposed to be placed in Darth Wiki not in the Main namespace (or Literature, as the case were). Character pages for those works tend to be "DarthWiki.WorkTitleCharacters" and not "Characters.WorkTitle" (though that doesn't appear to be set in stone).

What I want to know is why someone moved it from Main to Literature if it doesn't even exist.
Larkmarn
08:19:11 AM 2nd May 2013
edited by Larkmarn
If it's "in-production" then shouldn't it be allowed to get a works page? I mean, we have pages for movies, games, and books that are currently in-production, how is this any different? There are even works pages for some cancelled video games (Fallout Van Buren comes to mind).

Keep in mind I'm super okay with cutting it (the page is just... bizarre), but I just want to make sure that a fair precedent is established.

Now, of course there's the fact that it will probably never leave production ("hopefully TV series"? Really, guy?), but we should just decide at what point that we decide something isn't actually a work.
Terrie
08:51:56 AM 2nd May 2013
I'm also seeing that there's a lot of natter is his entry-pimping.
Ultimatum
09:13:59 AM 2nd May 2013
The page reads like a gigantic troll entry
Hodor
10:43:33 AM 2nd May 2013
edited by Hodor
Hmm, it seems like this person has a couple of works (identified as connected with a "Dozerfleet Productions"- they even have their own wiki.

There's also pages for Blood Over Water, Ciem Webcomic Series, and Q-BasicGorillas.

The first of them isn't really a tv show (but at least it has a youtube video posted, which I haven't watched yet), but the others, as with that Stationery Voyagers, seem to simply consist of imagined plots or characters that might be organized into a story at some point, but haven't yet.

Basically, I think that all of it probably belongs on the Dark Wiki.

Edit- for the record, here's the anti-gay stuff that stands out (he seems to dislike Muslims too):

  • Life Imitates Art: Virtually everything the Crooked Rainbow does to make the Voyagers' lives miserable has really happened. Events before 2004 were the author's commentary on Real Life events. When other events planned for the show started happening in the news in real life, in 2012, when production was on hiatus, with chilling similarity to production notes, the author was slightly freaked out.
    • The Crooked Rainbow of course wants to recruit kids, regardless of what the writers of the Rape And Switch and All Gays Are Pedophiles pages say to the contrary. In "Choice After All, " they try to recruit Oceanoe with a poison gas. However, the author did not predict them ever openly admitting to wanting to recruit children. This resulted in the wiki developing an entire campaign dubbed "Stop the Crooked Rainbow, " exposing real-life cases of gay activists committing terrorism, as well as engaging in seduction of minors.

  • Ripped From The Headlines: A judge in Braldon bans Oceanoe from visiting that country solely because Oceanoe can legitimately testify against the Crooked Rainbow organization for kidnapping him. And that would be bad for political correctness. Later, the judge tries to make it illegal for anyone to adopt children in Braldon if they take the Minshan writings seriously, especially in regards to their heteronormative views on sex. Muhmmaldians are somehow exempt from being called out for having similar views against homosexuality.
    • When the Voyagers refuse to promote the judge's transparent act of religious persecution, he bans all of them from visiting the country, and even declares them enemies of the state.

nrjxll
11:35:45 AM 2nd May 2013
edited by nrjxll
...Yeah, I think we're better off without this guy, honestly. It's not even the homophobia so much as the pretentiousness about his own work that really does it.
Larkmarn
11:42:14 AM 2nd May 2013
That's the word. Pretentiousness. I was trying to figure out the right word to describe why the entries bugged me so much.

Though honestly it strikes me as really depressing. He thinks he has a fantastic epic starring things from his desk.
Terrie
12:17:42 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by Terrie
There's stuff in this guy's edits that makes me extremely uncomfortable, beyond the constant political agenda. The description for Blood over Water insults the film teacher of the class the film was made for. Also, the examples are almost universally poorly written, with lots of natter and "examples" that aren't actually about the works themselves — when they even exist.

ETA: Yeah, pretentious is the perfect word. There's this constant undercurrent of "Ha, ha! I'm so clever. Look at how much more clever I am then [insert whoever I'm disliking in this comment]."
Hodor
12:33:23 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by Hodor
Thanks for the feedback. Btw, I see that the Blood Over Water actually has some anti-gay stuff too- see the example for The Faceless. And I find too that searching for "Crooked Rainbow" uncovers a lot of "interesting" stuff.

Scary.
Iaculus
01:33:40 PM 2nd May 2013
That... is an impressively deep rabbithole of crazy. Kind of amazing what can grow in the dark, unsupervised corners of the wiki.
DunDun
02:24:00 PM 2nd May 2013
When a troper makes a page for an incomplete work or a work that has been cancelled, that's one thing. When a troper makes a page for their own work that has not been published yet, that is another.

That is how I interpret the difference between having pages for things like Fallout Van Buren and that guy's not-published work.
nrjxll
02:38:03 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by nrjxll
So, what steps exactly should be taken here? As noted before, massively entry-pimping a nonexistent series (or several) in the normal wiki is against policy even without the author being a smug eccentric.
Terrie
03:02:13 PM 2nd May 2013
The examples on the tropes pages need to be cut, the works pages for anything that can not be verfied to exist as a free standing work needs to be moved to Unpublished Works (Blood over Water seems to be the only one that I can find as a real thing) and the troper should be suspended from editing until the mods are sure he understands how the wiki works. Finally, the pages for real works need to have a massive cleanup, as they're a mess.
DunDun
03:51:25 PM 2nd May 2013
Excuse me while I murder some of these wicks. I have no idea how to move pages, though.
DunDun
04:17:42 PM 2nd May 2013
There have been examples from Ciem Webcomic Series that are not wicked to Ciem Webcomic Series (found on Artifact Title).
InsanityPrelude
04:24:58 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by InsanityPrelude
Eeeesh. Those homophobic "examples" are ugly... Is it okay to start moving the page/cutting the examples, then?

(By the way, the guy I was thinking of before was Paul Robinson with Instrument of God. In completely unrelated news, I may have been a troper for too long.)

Edit: Dun Dun - This is how. :)
DunDun
04:28:31 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by DunDun
Before, I was joking when I said "murder some of these wicks," but this is disgusting.

There's also Fanfic.Becka Rangers Nemo Thunder. Is this real? Is this something that also needs to be dealt with? I'm not going through that if it was made by the same person; I have never been "disgusted" by someone over the Internet, but holy shit is this messed up.

^Also, thank you. I will look at that later, but I'm not doing anything but deleting things in relation to that article. If we want to cut it (and I don't think we do since we're already handling it), I will gladly put it on the cut list.
InsanityPrelude
04:33:12 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by InsanityPrelude
Most namespace moves I've seen had a redirect placed in the old page, rather than anything being cut.

Edit: Copied the page over to Stationery Voyagers (someone had already made a redlink for it on Unpublished Works) and hollered to get the discussion moved. Went ahead and put a redirect on the Literature/ one too, because it felt weird having two copies of the same page.

Did a quick google of it, and the only relevant results in the first few pages were from here, the Dozerfleet wiki, and the author's deviantart. Also one youtube "test audio" thing which just comes up as "This video is unavailable."

Edit 2: Edit Harder: Something weird's going on with the "related to" lists: The one for the Main/ version appears normal, and I'll go direct that to Darth Wiki now. The one for the Literature/ version says it appears 165 times but only shows one. Is this because of the redirect (I never saw that happen when I was namespacing pages, though), or the memory issues, or something else?
DunDun
05:18:23 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by DunDun
The related to of Literature.Stationery Voyagers shows zero wicks and brought two people to the wiki. Main.Stationery Voyagers used to show 170 wicks, but I've gotten that down to 120. It also says the article has brought 173 people to the wiki... somehow.

I'm cut listing Literature.Stationery Voyagers since it has no more wicks. I think the Main one should be left as a redirect since... well, the inbounds.

Edit: I'll do more tomorrow. I'm surprised I dewicked all that I did...
Hodor
05:30:15 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by Hodor
Thanks again. Just to be totally clear, I am understanding correctly that these works (except for maybe that one with a Youtube video) don't exist except in the author's head, right?

Because I wouldn't want to cut something (even if crazy) that is actually a fanfic or (self)published work.
DunDun
05:36:27 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by DunDun
It's obvious from the examples that SV is totally in his head. Other ones that appear to be solely in his head (from the examples alone) are Ciem (not all the examples of Ciem are wicked anywhere) and the Q-Basic Guillera thing.

The one with a youtube video goes to a deleted video. I'm not sure if I've already taken out the link you're talking about, but I did delete one link to a youtube video (that went nowhere).

Edit: I forgot to mention that Blood over Water is likely real. I'm not sure about that, though. Someone mentioned it above.
InsanityPrelude
05:36:50 PM 2nd May 2013
edited by InsanityPrelude
That's why I googled it. (Edit: Google results through page 10 for Stationery Voyagers don't appear to indicate it actually exists- other than a couple of deviantart results, it's just trope pages, and the guy's own wiki.)

And the issue with the related was the redirects- it started showing zero wicks after I fixed the Main/ redirect. I just figured I'd edited my post enough, heh.
FastEddie
moderator
06:09:33 PM 2nd May 2013
In case anyone was wondering: We don't owe any display space to homophobic propaganda. I'll ban the guy.
nrjxll
07:42:40 PM 2nd May 2013
In that case, should we even bother moving anything to Unpublished Works?

(Also... good riddance.)
Terrie
08:39:19 PM 2nd May 2013
I'd be happy to see it all cut, since the examples and pages are all a mess in terms of their readability and the idea of trying to make anything useful out of them gives me a headache. However, should the mods chose to come down on the side of allowing any of the material, it looks Blood over Water exists at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-P4MReSb-s, as does the "webcomic" Ciem, which can be found at http://modthesims.info/article.php?t=337623.
Larkmarn
06:06:22 AM 3rd May 2013
While I'm definitely glad to have the guy gone, I can't help but feel like banning him is just going to rile him up further. And he clearly has plenty of time on his hands...
TheInferno
06:40:43 AM 3rd May 2013
edited by TheInferno
It cloned my post.
TheInferno
06:40:44 AM 3rd May 2013
Meh. He can get in line.

Also, anything left I can help with?
Terrie
07:04:43 AM 3rd May 2013
I don't think it takes much to get this guy riled up. I suspect that the removal of examples from his unpublished works would be enough. Banning will hopefully slow him down a little bit; sadly, I suspect that he's the type that may make a new account to ban evade.
Larkmarn
07:10:32 AM 3rd May 2013
Probably. Plus I'm betting he'd be the type to think of himself as a martyr, believing himself censored for boldly stating his views rather than simply banned because, well, he's not really following the rules or contributing anything to the site.
TheInferno
07:14:03 AM 3rd May 2013
edited by TheInferno
Like I said, he can get in line. If he comes back, the admins will swat him again and we'll fix any damage done, just like we do with every other troll. In the mean time, worrying about it is pointless. If everything is good with this issue, we just keep on troping.
Hodor
08:53:58 AM 3rd May 2013
Thanks to everyone again for all of the help.

One question though. As (I guess) a student film project, where should that Blood Over Water be listed? I don't think it belongs under tv series, where it is now. Maybe Web Video?
Terrie
09:32:58 AM 3rd May 2013
I'd put it under film, since it wasn't developed for the web but for a college tv station (which is probably why he stuck it under series). So, it's a made-for-(student)tv movie.
Terrie
08:08:30 AM 4th May 2013
One final question that I ran across in the cleanup. He put a note on the film The Human Centipede that it shouldn't be confused with his webcomic Ciem: The Human Centipede. It just strikes me as unnecessary, since the subtitle doesn't appear in the url for the webcomic. Anyone think otherwise?
Nocturna
12:56:32 PM 4th May 2013
Yes, I would agree that that's unnecessary. Disambigs on pages like that are for cases where confusion is likely to happen. It is unlikely someone is going to confuse a fairly well-known film with an obscure webcomic.
nrjxll
04:56:39 PM 11th May 2013
So, as I asked before, do any specific steps need to be taken here? Or is this taken care of already?
Terrie
06:39:05 PM 12th May 2013
I believe that the issues have been taken care of. Unless someone else knows of something still outstanding?
Larkmarn
05:47:47 AM 13th May 2013
The main things got moved to unpublished works, and I think they've been dewicked as well.

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SeptimusHeap
Medium:
03:14:08 AM 13th May 2013
Matthew Guy 6131994 has been going around and creating, then cutlisting, blank pages for something called The Call.
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IlVit
03:14:08 AM 13th May 2013
Film.TheCall is a real work. I don't know about the rest of the pages, though.

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Nettacki
Medium: Videogame
12:04:06 AM 13th May 2013
edited by Nettacki
Why is the YMMV page for the game Fez locked? I know it's a work made by a controversial man, but many other works with far more controversies still have their own YMMV pages.
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SeptimusHeap
12:04:06 AM 13th May 2013
I assume that it was cut and then autlocked. You may ask for an unlock here

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