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moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

 

Andi,

Thinking it about it further now, it seems to me that hashtags and subgroups would actually address your issues even better than subtopics, because they apply overall. If you could create subtopics, you'd have to do that locally, so to speak, with every topic that pertained to the subject matter. Wherreas hashtags and subgroups work globally.
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moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

Andrea McGhee
 

Dear Andy and J Catlady,
I appreciate your responses and I have actually considered both of those options :-)

And perhaps it is a matter of training members :-)

Thank you for your time and suggestions.
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Wam Regards,
Andi


moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 01:28 PM, Andrea McGhee wrote:

I would like to see subtopics added to the groups.io options for listservs.

Subtopics would create ease in sorting posts
and make it easier for members to find relevant content.

If you want to categorise individual topics within a group then you could use hashtags so one topic may have hashtags such as #creationoftheworld and #bigbang, and another might have #creationoftheworld and #evolution.  Hashtags provide a quick and convenient way of searching for content.

If your group is for discussions on creation of the world theories then different subgroups can be used to cover each of those theories.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 06:28 AM, Andrea McGhee wrote:
Subtopics would create ease in sorting posts
and make it easier for members to find relevant content.
I have nothing specific against your proposal (although it seems complicated while simple in theory), but would just mention that you could use hashtags for those purposes.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

Andrea McGhee
 

I would like to see subtopics added to the groups.io options for listservs.

An example might as follows:
Creation of the world theories (main topic)
-Bible (subtopic)
-Big Bang (subtopic)
-Evolution (subtopic)
-Christianity (subtopic)
-Misc. (subtopic)

(Forgive the example...I didn't want to post something more specific from our group :-))

Subtopics would create ease in sorting posts
and make it easier for members to find relevant content.

Does this make sense?

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Wam Regards,
Andi


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 12:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
In general I don't talk about our spam filtering, for obvious reasons. I made a change that allowed some additional messages from non-members through the spam filter.
I can understand not giving details away about the filtering process itself. It was the assertion in that post that messages detected as spam will be forwarded to Mods rather than being rejected that I was wondering about. If that is the case I thought a comment about it would appear on the changelog.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:58 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Hi Mark

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 05:19 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Changes to the site this week:
A message on an active GMF topic suggests that a change was also made regarding spam filtering and sending notifications to Moderators but nothing is mentioned in this update. Can you clarify please?


In general I don't talk about our spam filtering, for obvious reasons. I made a change that allowed some additional messages from non-members through the spam filter.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 05:19 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Changes to the site this week:
A message on an active GMF topic suggests that a change was also made regarding spam filtering and sending notifications to Moderators but nothing is mentioned in this update. Can you clarify please?

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Activity log #outage

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 11:54 AM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
Thank you, Mark.  I think we fell into that window, in #30729 about the missing message and log entries.  The message in question was sent at 4:38 AM Pacific time today, and gone a few hours later.

Please send me off-list the subject of the message, and the sender. If you can give me the Message-ID from the header, that'd help as well.

 
Have there been other outages in the last month or so?  I have seen other things I couldn't explain in the log.

No, this is the first time this has ever happened.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Activity log #outage

Andy I
 

Thank you, Mark.  I think we fell into that window, in #30729 about the missing message and log entries.  The message in question was sent at 4:38 AM Pacific time today, and gone a few hours later.

So, is the theory that the message was legitimately deleted by its author, and the only things lost were the log entries for sending and deleting it?

Have there been other outages in the last month or so?  I have seen other things I couldn't explain in the log.

Andy


moderated Activity log #outage

 

Hi All,

Yesterday, between 1:07pm and 1:38pm Pacific time and again this morning between 4:18am and 5:24am Pacific time, the connections to the activity database were exhausted. What this means is that during those times, access to the activity log was slow or errored out. Also, some writes to the activity log were not recorded; I'm not sure how many.

When this happened yesterday, I fixed the issue by restarting all the services. I then spent some time trying to figure out what caused it, but was unable to come up with a reason. When it happened again this morning, I had a second data point and was able to track down the problem and fix it. It turned out that an export of a very large group (and subgroups), would trigger this. The code involved had not been touched in a very long time; it just turned out that, between the large size of the group involved combined with the ever increasing load on our databases caused this to become a problem.

I've re-written the part of the export group process so that this does not happen again. I still need to think through how I can be notified more quickly when an intermittent issue like this happens.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

 

Bruce,
I don't think your request sparked controversy, except as a tangent by people misunderstanding the Moderated attribute and what it applies. I'd be fine with your disable option, and I also think that fixing the moderated-first-message bug will give you another good option.
Like you, I'm done here, too!
Best of luck!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

 

These are basic concepts.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 08:24 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
The topic inherits the behaviour from the hashtag.
No. The topic AQUIRES the behavior from the hashtag. It does not "inherit" the behavior. Hashtags are not, and cannot be, moderated. Only topics can be modered.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 08:39 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I find myself unable to support this. It doesn't address my use case, inasmuch as I would now have to moderate the first message,
Bruce,

The whole point of my immediately prior message was to explain to you that I think having to moderate the first message is a bug (or design flaw) and I expect that to be fixed! If fixed, you would NOT have to moderate the first message. That's the point.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

 

You're using hashtags incorrectly. They act on topics, not individual messages.
"When a hashtag is set to Moderated, messages sent to topics tagged with it require approval by a moderator."
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:31 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I just posted this request:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/30721
The request is to change "Moderated" hashtags so that only replies to the topic are moderated, not the first message itself (which seems to make no sense).
J -- Yeah, I saw that.

If that gets implemented, then Bruce, all you have to do is tell your mods to put the same hashtag on the post that they've already been doing (the one that's Locked), but make the tag both Moderated and Locked.
I find myself unable to support this. It doesn't address my use case, inasmuch as I would now have to moderate the first message, which didn't require that before. Not only that, but as Andy and Malcolm have already stated, it breaks existing behavior that some may rely upon. I struggle to understand why this is preferable to implementing the original proposal, which doesn't break anything.

Anyway, this is my last post on the subject. My suggestion will stand or fall on its own merits. Never in my wildest dreams did I think it would spark such controversy.

Bruce


moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:54:51 -0000, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 07:46 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
It's the use of the hashtag that is moderated.
No, it's the Topic behavior. I think you have been using Moderated hashtags incorrectly.

The topic inherits the behaviour from the hashtag. I believe I use hashtags correctly but that you want a new and different behaviour which could only be done by adding a new hashtag property, not by changing the behaviour of an existing and useful one.

Malcolm.

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moderated Re: Missing messages, and missing entries in the Activity Log #bug

Andy I
 

I'm sure you will see parallels with message 30720.  They might be related.


moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:52:54 -0000, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 07:46 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
I don't want to allow every group member to post any message with, say, #admin on it!!
 Then set that hashtag to "use by mods only."

Yea, in fact I have, so here's a better example ...

Suppose I have a general discussion list with a hashtag #announcement that I want to allow anyone to use but always want it moderated so I can check it really is a suitable announcement for the group.

Your change would prevent me doing that wouldn't it?

Malcolm.

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