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moderated Message edit menu missing picture and attach file option


Laurence Marks
 

That's SO much more tedious. There are a lot of them--and a lot of other Yahoo! groups have this problem.

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Larry Marks


Duane
 

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 06:28 PM, <marks@...> wrote:
Is it too late to reopen this discussion?
No, but I don't think it will lead to anything.  Uploading the attachments to the Files area and putting links where the [attachment] info is seems like the way to go.

Duane


Laurence Marks
 

I'm reopening this feature request in light of the mass migration beginning to take place from Yahoo. I am planning to port the group to Groups.io.

My Yahoo group, like many others, is heavily populated with attachments. Around 25% of the messages have attachments. One of the primary values of the group is its service as an archive for these attachments. New volunteers to area of disaster recovery read these attachments to learn about FEMA policies, state policies, and resources available to help disaster survivors.

Unfortunately, the migration from Yahoo includes messages, file, photos, and members, but does not include attachments. And it is likely that there is insufficient time to develop and test that feature before the Yahoo shutdown on December 14.

I have already downloaded the messages, files, and attachments so the data remains available. It's 0.21 GB in size, so size will not be an issue. If I had the ability to add attachments to the message, I could add the attachments at leisure once the port takes place.

As it is, I am faced with the more tedious task of loading each attachment to the file store, then editing each message to include a link to the associated file(s).

As I understand it, the decision was made to disallow moderator addition of attachments because it was felt that content was sacrosanct and shouldn't be tampered with. In this case, I am restoring content to its original form. Inserting a link instead of an attachment would be distorting the form.

I believe I've made a good case for permitting moderators to add attachments, at least for a period after porting from Yahoo. I understand that it could be an easy change.

But as I think about it, I wonder whether the global decision was the right approach. I'm thinking that perhaps each group creator ought to be able to make that decision. Since our group's messages are a reference, an archive, and a resource, there's no need for long-term retention of short messages like "About time!", "I agree", or the inevitable personal message sent to the group by mistake. I prune these messages. Since I'm taking this liberty with content, restoring attachments seems like a small thing in comparison.

Is it too late to reopen this discussion?

Larry


KWKloeber
 

Of course, an obvious fix to this would be a gio group setting so it sends out a notice, or the text of the post w/o any attachments and users have to read the msg/see attachment inline. Then it would act more like a real online forum and not an email service with a “side” web interface (same as Y!, google groups, etc.)

Or, option 2: change to something like simpleforums, which lets you edit attachments and has the option above (and many many more.)


 

Bruce,

The message and attachment has already gone out as emails. Changing an
attachment an hour or a day or a year later feels a lot like an
attempt to revise history.
That concern is already addressed by the Edit Message mechanism: when a member edits the message it is resent. I suggest that this remain true if that edit includes or consists solely of adding or replacing an attachment or image.

Likewise if a moderator edits a message: the moderator may choose to save without re-sending to the group, but it will be resent to the member who originally posted the message.

Shal


dave w
 

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 05:27 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It seems more straightforward just to send another message
And is a clear indication, for future reference of a positive action taken.
But DO use the original message Subject line; DO NOT change it to some obsequious subject like "Correction" and have no logical path to the original message.
That way they stay related and linked when searched for.
If it was that important in the first place, then do it right!
regards davew


Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 09:38 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
I understand the argument against that, seeing that gio is an email service unlike an online forum.
I'm with Ken on this one. The message and attachment has already gone out as emails. Changing an attachment an hour or a day or a year later feels a lot like an attempt to revise history. It seems more straightforward just to send another message with the updated attachment, while deleting the old message from the archive, if you have to.

Regards,
Bruce


KWKloeber
 

Frances

There’s valid arguments against being able to do that.

I understand the argument against that, seeing that gio is an email service unlike an online forum. I don’t like it, but I’ve bowed to it because it makes logical sense (so few things do these days, so I’ll sign onto anything that helps preserves that.) LOL!


Frances
 

That would be very useful - to edit a message and add a missing attachment or photo. Or to change the attachment if we made a mistake.

Frances


 

This is a different but related(?) issue: I would also like the "reason for edit" line to be editable when the edited message is in pending.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


KWKloeber
 

DITTO on that question?

Can the photo AND file attachment functionality be added to the Edit function? 
Not attaching a photo or file is likely one of the key reasons for needing to edit a message.

Thx


Tom Vail
 

When I try to edit an existing message from the "More" drop-down to correct a broken link on a picture the add picture and add attachment icons are not available.  (My settings allow pictures and attachments.)

Without them, there seems to be no way to correct a broken link from a picture which did not get added to the email picture folder like the one below.



Am I missing something, or is this by design for some reason?

Peace,
Tom Vail
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