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Welcome to Meta!Edit

Hello Antanana, and welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing!

-- 13:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group provisional board selectionEdit

Hi. You indicated an interest in supporting meta:The Wikinewsie Group. We are currently in the process of trying to determine the best time for a meeting to determine the composition of the provisional board of the organization. If you are interested in attending or possible running for the board, please go to meta:The Wikinewsie Group/Meetings and indicate which time would be best for you by 26 April. We plan to announce the time for the board meeting based on greatest potential availability on 28 April. --LauraHale (talk) 04:44, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group provisional board selection meeting timeEdit

Hi. This is to inform you that the meeting for the provisional board selection meeting for The Wikinewsie Group will take place in #wikinews-groupconnect on May 4, 2013 at 13:00 UTC, which is 8:00 in Mexico City, 9:00 in New York City, 15:00 in Berlin and 23:00 in Sydney. If you are interested in being on the provisional board but cannot attend, please comment at Talk:The Wikinewsie Group/Meetings to let the community know. --LauraHale (talk) 21:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

{{User Wikimedia Ukraine}}Edit

You can put this template on your user page, if you want   -- Ата (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

GLAMify has completed a report for you! :)Edit

Hullo!

GLAMify has just completed a report you asked for, with suggestions for integrating media from commons:Category:Images from RIA Novosti.

The report is waiting for you here. :) Please note that the report pages may get deleted after 60 days, so if you'd like to keep these results around, copy them somewhere else.

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that's cool! thank you ;) i have already started working with the suggestions: [1]. thank you very much! ;) --アンタナナ 02:11, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves photo contests session at WMCON 2015Edit

Hi Nataliia,

I am a member of the Programme Team for Wikimedia Conference 2015. I was looking for someone who has experience regarding organizing Wiki Loves Monuments/Earth or other related contests, to be a speaker at the session "Wiki Loves photo contests" at WMCON 2015. Asaf Bartov told me that you have such experience and so you could be a speaker here. I'd like to know if you're really interested to be a speaker. If so please let me know urgently. Please use my email (wiki.tanweer gmail.com) to contact with me. Thanks. Tanweer (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

thank you, I have answered already ;) --アンタナナ 21:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?Edit

Hi! The Wikimedia Foundation would like your input on how we can reimagine Wikimedia Foundation grants to better support people and ideas in your Wikimedia project.

After reading the Reimagining WMF grants idea, we ask you to complete this survey to help us improve the idea and learn more about your experience. When you complete the survey, you can enter to win one of five Wikimedia globe sweatshirts!

In addition to taking the the survey, you are welcome to participate in these ways:

This survey is in English, but feedback on the discussion page is welcome in any language.

With thanks,

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Last call for WMF grants feedback!Edit

Hi, this is a reminder that the consultation about Reimagining WMF grants is closing on 8 September (0:00 UTC). We encourage you to complete the survey now, if you haven't yet done so, so that we can include your ideas.

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Добрий день.Edit

Добрий день. Tse ukrayinsʹka versiya uchasnykamy orhanizatora yaponsʹkoyi versiyi . Мені було дозволено сказати привіт , тому що це було написано ім'я користувача на японській мові в Metau ~ ики . Велике спасибі заздалегідь . こんにちは。日本語版の主催者であり、ウクライナ語版の参加させて頂いています永続繁栄です。日本語のカタカナでアンタナナさんのユーザ名を書かれていたため、挨拶させて頂きました。よろしくお願いします！--永続繁栄 (talk) 09:39, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

GLAMify has completed a report for you! :)Edit

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@Ijon: thank you! I have used all three :) one more CEE Spring is needed :) --アンタナナ 07:02, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Inspire Campaign on content curation & reviewEdit

I've recently launched an Inspire Campaign to encourage new ideas focusing on content review and curation in Wikimedia projects. Wikimedia volunteers collaboratively manage vast repositories of knowledge, and we’re looking for your ideas about how to manage that knowledge to make it more meaningful and accessible. We invite you to participate and submit ideas, so please get involved today! The campaign runs until March 28th.

All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Funding is available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects that need financial support. Constructive feedback on ideas is welcome - your skills and experience can help bring someone else’s project to life. Join us at the Inspire Campaign to improve review and curation tasks so that we can make our content more meaningful and accessible! I JethroBT (WMF) 05:38, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Signpost emailEdit

Hi Nataliia

We are about to send you an email on behalf of the Signpost editorial board.

My best wishes.

Tony (talk) 13:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Survey on content curation & review Inspire CampaignEdit

Thanks for your participation in IdeaLab during the Inspire Campaign focused on improving content curation & review processes from February to March 2016. I'm interested in hearing your feedback about your participation during campaign, so if you're able, I invite you to complete this brief survey to describe how you contributed to the campaign and how you felt about participating.

Immediate results of the campaign can be found here. Please feel free to review them and let me know if you have any questions about the campaign or the survey. Thanks! I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 02:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for participating in Learning Day, Wikimedia Conference 2016Edit

Certificate of participation in
Learning Day
Wikimedia Conference 2016
Antanana, we hope the resources you took on this day help you to expand your projects and coach other peers in your local community!
Make sure to keep the learning wheel rolling: (1) share something you learn via a Learning Pattern; (2) share any new resources you create on our portal and social media.
Warmly, the Learning Day team. María (WMF) (talk) 21:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


Thank you for engaging at Wikimedia Conference 2016 Learning Days!Edit

    This Certificate of Appreciation awards Antanana for helping to lead a session in
Project management tools
at Learning Days - Wikimedia Conference 2016
Antanana, we hope this experience has empowered you to continue sharing what you know about Project Management tools in your local community... and beyond! We hope to partner with you again soon in other Wikimedia movement conferences, and continue to foster together peer-to-peer learning. Warmly, the Learning Days team. María (WMF) (talk) 00:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for engaging at Wikimedia Conference 2016 Learning Days!Edit

    This Certificate of Appreciation awards Antanana for presenting a
Lightning Talk
at Learning Days - Wikimedia Conference 2016
Antanana, we hope this experience has empowered you to continue sharing your experiences to enlighten others in your local community... and beyond! We hope to continue to foster together peer-to-peer learning. Warmly, the Learning Days team. María (WMF) (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Participate in the Inspire Campaign and help address harassment!Edit

Through June, we’re organizing an Inspire Campaign to encourage and support new ideas focusing on addressing harassment toward Wikimedia contributors. The 2015 Harassment Survey has shown evidence that harassment in various forms - name calling, threats, discrimination, stalking, and impersonation, among others - is pervasive. Available methods and systems to deal with harassment are also considered to be ineffective. These behaviors are clearly harmful, and in addition, many individuals who experience or witness harassment participate less in Wikimedia projects or stop contributing entirely.

Proposals in any language are welcome during the campaign - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Funding is available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects that need financial support. Constructive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. Join us at the Inspire Campaign so that we can work together to develop ideas around this important and difficult issue. With thanks,

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Прострочені підведення підсумків у ру-вікіEdit

Є в ру-вікі така сторінка ru:Категория:Википедия:Просроченные подведения итогов по удалению страниц. Там на першій позиції, вже більше року, з 19 квітня 2015 наш земляк ru:Тимошенко, Максим Олегович.

Чи може WMF Board вплинути на неподобство, коли підсумки по живих людях не підводяться більше року, тим самим завдаючи таким людям моральну шкоду? --Perohanych (talk) 06:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

привіт. статтю було видалено 4 серпня 2016 року. я так розумію, що Ваше звернення на сторінці допомогло [2] --アンタナナ 20:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Фонд Вікімедіа й так суне свого носа куди не треба в справи, які мають вирішуватись спільнотою. Допомогти ситуації з КУ в рувікі можна ставши там ПИ чи адміністратором, а не наймаючи працівника для цього. Якщо ФВМ піде на такий крок, то можна забувати про цінності ВП які вони є зараз. --Base (talk) 19:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
і то правда --アンタナナ 10:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Whose Knowledge? user group updateEdit

Hi Antanana! Thanks for joining the Whose Knowledge user group - we’re so glad to have you involved!

Here are some updates about recent activities:

  • User group approved: Our user group was officially approved in October - hooray! Big thanks to Raystorm and FloNight for the idea to create a user group for the Whose Knowledge? campaign :)
  • Mapping feminist knowledge at AWID's 2016 Forum: Interested in learning more about what we’ve been doing lately? Read our blog post on what we learned from mapping feminist knowledge at Association for Women's Rights in Developments 2016 Forum.
  • New grant proposal:
    • We’ve proposed a WMF project grant. It would be great to have your feedback and/or endorsement by November 1 if this project interests you!
    • It would also be great to have your help notifying communities already working on systemic bias about this proposal. Here is a draft message to use if you'd like - please translate, change as you see fit for your own context, and share in any communities you’re active in on and off-wiki!

Looking forward to doing more together very soon! Siko (talk) 01:57, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

YGMEdit

UY Scuti Talk 07:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Whose Knowledge? News - February 2017Edit

Thanks for all of your support for Whose Knowledge? so far! Get ready, we're going to need lots of your help in 2017 :)

What's new in 2017:

1. Volunteers needed

As Whose Knowledge? grows, there are lots of things to do! Can you help?

  • Are you good with data entry, categories, mailing lists or social media? We especially need people to help with organizing knowledge for Dalit History Month, and building out our communications (including this monthly newsletter!) right now!
  • If you're interested in volunteering for these or any other projects, please signup here

2. Pilot projects

Building partnerships and testing our approach with marginalized communities.

  • Dalit History Month: We're working with Equality Labs to support Dalit communities in South Asia and the United States to map knowledge and create Wikipedia content. Dalit History Month edit-a-thons are coming in April!
  • Women's Human Rights Defenders: In partnership with Urgent Action Fund, we'll be supporting a group of women's human rights defenders around the world with more mapping and wiki content creation. Themes and geographies coming soon!
  • Kumeyaay Wikipedia Initiative: Following the 2016 Indigenous People's Day edit-a-thon, we're continuing to work with members of the Kumeyaay tribe in Southern California and Baja to map and contribute indigenous knowledge to Wikimedia projects. A discussion day with Kumeyaay community in San Diego is being planned for May.

3. Funding

We've got financial support for 2017!

  • WMF grant: 6-month funding (February-July 2017) was approved to pilot our approach to mapping knowledge and creating Wikipedia content with the Dalit community and global women's human rights defenders. Thanks for all your endorsements!
  • Shuttleworth Fellowship: Anasuya is a Shuttleworth Fellow! This means we'll be able to spend more time organizing, and have support for convenings, campaign infrastructure, etc.

4. Wikimedia Strategy

Find us at Wikimedia Conference.

  • Anasuya and Siko will be carrying the Whose Knowledge? vision of diversity, pluralism and representation of marginalized communities into movement strategy conversations in Berlin March 2017.
  • What's your vision for the Wikimedia movement? If you have a perspective that you'd like us to help represent in Berlin, please reach out and let us know!

In solidarity,

Siko (talk) 23:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Whose Knowledge?: [April 2017]Edit

Whose Knowledge  News
April 2017 • Volume 1 • Issue 2
Activities and Events:
Dalit History Month Events; Wikimania 2017 submissions
Resources:
Resources lists
Wikimedia Movement:
Wikimedia Strategy: Knowledge is Global
  About Whose Knowledge?
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We hope you enjoy this issue of the Whose Knowledge? News. Please reach out to us if you have any ideas or suggestions! -- Saileshpat using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:47, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Whose Knowledge?: [July 2017]Edit

Whose Knowledge  News
July 2017 • Volume 1 • Issue 3
Activities and Events:
Okvir pilot in Bosnia and Herzegovina; Wikimania 2017
Resources:
Emancipatory Design Research
Wikimedia Movement:
Letter from Buenos Aires
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We hope you enjoy this issue of the '''Whose Knowledge?''' News. Please reach out to us if you have any ideas or suggestions! -- Saileshpat using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Earth 2018Edit

Hi

I got your message on my talk page for the above contest.

I will be interested in hosting local contest and also joining the international organizer. Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 07:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Sign-up for Whose Knowledge? on-line newsletterEdit

Hi everybody,

We are leaving the wiki newsletter format behind and venturing into the email newsletter format. We'd love to keep sharing our projects and adventures with you all! You can sign up here to make that happen.

See you all there!

With love & solidarity,

Claudia - and the WK? Comms Team using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:45, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

[Wikipedia & Education User Group] Updates: November 2018Edit

Greetings,

Integrating Wikimedia with education is a powerful strategy for the outreach of Wikimedia projects. Realising this concept, a group of leaders promoted this and formed the Wikipedia Education Collaborative. After some time, this evolved to become a user group, officially recognised by the Affiliations Committee in June 2018. The user group had its first board elections earlier in September. In the process to formalise activities and give a shape the user group for long-term sustainability, we are now revamping our processes. Thanks for supporting us during incubation stages, we are now inviting you to formally join the user group by following the instructions on the members' page. Being a member will allow you to be a part of this wonderful collaboration and also do interesting stuff.

Kind regards
On behalf of Wikipedia and Education UG, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

The Affiliate-selected Board seats process welcomes your supportEdit

Hello. You are receiving this message because you kindly helped with affiliates-related translations in the past. The movement needs you again! The Nominations phase has started for the ongoing selection process of two Board members, and the timeline is quite tight.

A Translation Central is available to help keen translators like you figure out what's been covered and what's left to do. Over the course of the next few weeks, your attention on candidates' profiles is particularly welcome. While there are four languages that are especially relevant for multiple affiliates (namely Arabic, French, Russian and Spanish), you can also add others. If you can't help: please see if you know anyone in your circle who could, and spread the word :)

Thank you! Elitre (WMF) and Facilitators of ASBS 2019, 13:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

ASBS processEdit

Hi Nat, thanks for nominating yourself in the ASBS process. Could you answer the set of general questions (Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Questions) to all candidates on that page please? Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello! Yes, I shall do it tomorrow --アンタナナ 09:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

WikiDonne out of time endorsementEdit

Hi Nat. We arrived later; time to paste our decision on your candidacy page and WMAU & WMUA did it before  . But I still want to inform you and the community our decision below:

During the official discussion (via email) of 29 April 2019, the Members of WikiDonne User Group, unanimously decided:

To endorse the candidacy of Nataliia Tymkiv at the election of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), for the reasons you can find here Endorsement

On behalf of WikiDonne UG, --Camelia (talk) 09:09, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Camelia and WikiDonne User Group! --アンタナナ 09:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Questions for all candidatesEdit

Hi Nat, on the page Affiliate-selected Board seats/2019/Questions are questions to all candidates. Voters would love to see you answer them all. Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Ad! I am working on my answers --アンタナナ 19:45, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

CongratulationsEdit

Dear @Antanana:, Congratulations on the new position on the Wikimedia Foundation Board. I look forward to working with you. --Geraldshields11 (talk) 12:33, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! --アンタナナ 13:53, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Wordpile has completed a report for you! :)Edit

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Ijonbot (talk) 21:35, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Wordpile has completed a report for you! :)Edit

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Wordpile has completed a report for you! :)Edit

Hullo!

Wordpile has just completed a report you asked for, with word-counts for pages from PagePile #24943.

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Happy DiwaliEdit

 
 Happy Diwali  
"Hello, In this festive season of lights, rangoli, fireworks and sweets. I like to wish you & your family a very Happy and Prosperous Diwali". Regards,--Rajeeb  (talk!)

Wordpile has completed a report for you! :)Edit

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Your faithful servant,

Ijonbot (talk) 10:11, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Relationship advice…Edit

On Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard/Board Update on Branding you wrote:

I know there is mistrust towards the Wikimedia Foundation acting in good faith, I also know the staff members feel intimidated when talking with the communities, so it is really difficult to have a frank dialog. We are all in this vicious circle - we do not trust each other, so we do not talk honestly; we do not talk honestly so we cannot build that trust.
— User:NTymkiv (WMF) 01:00, 22 June 2020‎ (UTC)


I hope that's a heartfelt acknowledgement of the problem, and not a "diplomatic" way to shift the blame for the problems to the community for being horrible Internet people (which we, collectively, are, on bad days). The WMF is the professional part in this relationship, with the financial and human resources, and cannot hide behind human factors like that. WMF staff members can certainly feel intimidated when talking to the community, but they are actual paid employees and talking to the community is their job. That they have been allowed to refrain from this is the responsibility of the WMF leadership, from executive level on up to the Board.

And the main reason for the breakdown in trust is that the WMF has developed a patriarchal "we know best what's good for you" culture, claiming ownership of "the movement" and sees itself as the core, the heart and soul. Time after time the WMF has formulated some kind of "problem", as they see it, for which they suddenly dump a "solution" on the community, putting massive effort into ramming it through whether the community wants it or not. It's been technical things, like superprotect, and community governance issues, like the Fram ban, and now the very identity of the projects and volunteers that make up the actual movement.

The WMF now looks like they view themselves as any of the social media giants, where the big donors are the notional customers (advertisers) and all the volunteers doing the actual work on the projects are merely the product (only the customer is always right: the product gets changed at will to please them). The goal is not to attract large and ongoing donations; the goal is "the sum of human knowledge" (adjust as needed) and the fundraising is just a necessary prerequisite for that.

This goes for all the affiliates too: they exist to support the actual projects, they are not themselves the goal. But the WMF and their hired consultants still primarily consult the affiliates; weigh their input much more heavily than the community's; and include them in key points of the decision process where the community is left uninformed or kept at a distance.

The naming issue is a key example in that respect: the communities do not see the brand recognition of "The Wikipedia Foundation" as a problem (which means that if it objectively is a problem, the WMF has failed to persuade the community of that). Given there is no agreement on the existence of the problem, much less its specific formulation, there can be no agreement on any proposed solution. But in spite of this the WMF has presented a solution as a fait accompli (asking the community to give input on Wikipedia vs. Wikipedia vs. Wikipedia, but the WMF will decide, isn't even a minimally meaningful involvement), and is communicating about it in the kind of corporate PR speak that the WMF should know is not just antithetical to the culture on the projects, but is even in some cases actively against their policies. When the community tries to involve itself on its own initiative to give the feedback that the process is heading fast into the weeds, it is met with a framing that the community involvement is premature and therefore discountable.

When the community is telling you that you are heading in the wrong direction, the correct response is to stop and adjust course. When the community is telling you that they want to be heard, the correct response is to listen.

As a long-time contributor to Wikipedia, Wikisource, and Commons this process and proposal horrifies me. As a Wikipedian, I feel that the foundation is now trying to steal my identity, and to claim the credit for all the hard work I and my fellow editors have donated to the movement over the last 15 years. As a Wikisource and Commons contributor I feel that the already minimal regard the foundation hold for my contributions there has now turned from somewhat benevolent neglect into actively discounting our worth, to the point of actually distancing yourselves from the projects. If your absentee parents suddenly show up to announce that they will change their name to that of your older sibling, you can pretty much safely assume that the relationship is no longer a healthy one.

The WMF does not allocate ongoing resources to the smaller projects for even basic maintenance and bug fixes, much less the kind of new development that would allow them to grow and thrive, and now you even want to identify yourself solely with the one big project that gets all the resources anyway?

(Incidentally, a project whose culture has now become so toxic that after 15 years I am now avoiding it, and which contributors have been leaving in droves for years now. Even were I convinced the current branding was a problem, I would be extremely sceptical this would be a healthy brand to move to. Strategically, having some distance from individual projects makes a whole lot more sense.)

I don't want to give the impression that I am dismissing the importance of or effort put into the foundation or the affiliates. They are important and necessary parts of the movement, and certainly help contribute to the movement's goals. But right now I am not at all certain the foundation, and some of the affiliates, are all that clear on what those goals are, and they seem to be claiming ownership of and moral authority over the movement as a whole to the detriment of the projects and the core community.

I really really want the relationship between these different parts of the movement to be a happy, productive, and symbiotic one. But that can't happen while the projects and the community there feels discounted and ignored by the foundation. If the foundation really take the position that they are the core of the movement, and the projects and their contributors are of secondary importance, then it needs to actually say so so that we can have that difficult conversation. Right now the foundation is communicating that without actually saying it, and it feels really hurtful on the receiving end.

The path to repairing that relationship starts with the professional party—the one with the actual financial resources, and employees whose job description, tasks, and code of conduct can be unilaterally decided—taking the first steps, and does so with humility and respect. It needs to acknowledge that, without detriment to the importance of the foundation or the affiliates, the actual core of the movement are the volunteers, the community, building the actual projects. Consulting them, discussing with them, listening to their feedback, and adopting their priorities as your own is not actually optional. If the community does not agree, the available path is to persuade them, entice them with the benefits, not overruling them. In this sense it doesn't actually matter whether the community is right or wrong (I often think they are wrong): it is a matter of the integrity of the community, and by even attempting to overrule or force them you are violating that integrity. Nobody in the history of the world has been persuaded to a different point of view by being treated as recalcitrant children, especially not recalcitrant children.

The ball is in your court… --Xover (talk) 11:46, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for making your position on this matter clear. It's always better to know where we stand. --Xover (talk) 10:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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