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    Tonight I’m working on the “basics of the forum” topic as suggested by Geekdom. The beginnings of it are here. Note that I have the thread closed to n
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    Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2452839

      Don’t forget you can always click that “thanks” button at the bottom of a post.

      Anonymous users can’t. Can Guests?

      If you don’t see that those fit want you are asking form, then click on the forums menu

      To insert an image into a topic, all you have to do it have an image stored on your computer.

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      • #2452842

        In addition to @b ‘s last quote:
        I don’t think Anonymous users can add attachments. And I don’t believe they can see attachments unless they are inserted into the Reply text either.
        Can Guests?

      • #2452853

        To insert an image into a topic, all you have to do it have an image stored on your computer.

        It’s also possible to insert images into a post “without” having them stored on your PC.

        #1. You can directly insert an image into your post by simply copying/pasting the “link” to the image like this.

        Notes:

          The link must end in .bmp, .gif, .jpg, or .png and the extension must be in lowercase or the forum S/W won’t accept it as an “image” (it’ll show up as a link instead.)

          If the image is too large (wider than 640px), once you’ve inserted into your reply, simple click on it, select edit (the pencil icon), and “shrink” it to a more acceptable display size.

        #2. If the image “link” doesn’t meet the above extension requirements, you can use the bbcode img tag to insert it like this.

        Note: it’s not possible to set the display size if you use the img tag (i.e. it will display in your post at full resolution.)

    • #2452843

      Anonymous here suggested attributed (block) quote instructions:
      https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/an-important-change-to-our-forums/#post-2451658

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    • #2452845

      What is the acceptable response to a post in which one is asked to defend a position (or statement) one has not taken (nor made), without being trashed for argumentative behavior/posting?

      That is to say, a string of replies that has devolved into a discussion about two different coins under the apparent assumption, by one party, that it is about two sides of the same coin.  Is it argumentative to explain, “That is neither what I said nor what I meant”?

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      • #2452855

        There comes a time when you have to say “we agree to disagree”.  Sometimes in tech we get to a point where we base our decisions on our personal experiences and we need to respect that in each other.

        Note that the goal of the site is to ALWAYS have respectful discourse.  Alternative views can often showcase different ideas for technology solutions.  If the conversation starts to turn disrespectful or personal, the posts will be removed.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

        • #2452865

          If responses are flat-out wrong — not opinions, facts — facts need to be presented. There really is no agree-to-disagree.

          Stating the “earth is flat” invites rebuttal with fact and documentation.

          Misquoting someone is misrepresentation and needs correction.

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          • #2452871

            There are times and circumstances that each poster has to understand that everyone has their view of “facts” and thus what you are expressing is influenced by your personal experience.  I don’t mind this sort of conversations. What I will not tolerate is when it gets personal.

            I grew up in a generation that valued a point/counterpoint view when people could rationally discuss both sides (Jane Curtain and Dan Akroyd notwithstanding) and I’ve always learned a lot lurking on a forum when two smart people explain their position.

            At the same time we all have to understand that we live in a world where – even here – we sometimes have anon posters that will not be swayed and sometimes you have to be the adult in the room and walk away.  You can’t convince someone that will not be convinced no matter what you post.

            Case in point, I will always have an irrational hatred/fear/distrust of Broadcom network cards used in HyperV servers and will immediately disable any and all settings regarding RSS/TOE/VMQ and any other settings that sound like it will speed up network traffic that when I’ve used it in the past gave me horrible experiences.  I’m sure folks in datacenters love these settings.  I irrationally hate them and will not be convinced otherwise.  But I’ll still love to read a factual, non personal discussion even though I will never enable those settings EVER on a server under my control.

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            • #2452877

              There are times and circumstances that each poster has to understand that everyone has their view of “facts” and thus what you are expressing is influenced by your personal experience. I don’t mind this sort of conversations.

              When there is a difference between misconstruing a post (for whatever reason) into something that has neither been written nor implied, which can be resolved by directly quoting the post in question, in my view that is not being argumentative, it is a matter of quoting previous content for clarification.

              Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
              We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

            • #2452886

              Ultimately the determination if someone is – or is not – argumentative is my call. If I feel someone is no longer being reasonable I will remove the post, consider banning the poster by account and/or by IP.  Yes I realize that in this day and age of VPN this may be a bit of a game, I still want to cultivate a forum that can respectfully agree to disagree where appropriate without getting snippy, rude or personal.  When the posts do get snippy, rude and/or personal they WILL be removed.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2452848

      How to add an avatar?

    • #2452849

      Quote Part of a Post …. hi-light desired and Clk Quote Tab?

      Multi-Quotes in a Post…. In separate Browser Tabs accumulate Quote Results of desired posts and Paste Each to Reply space … is all I know

      Reply Tab keeps post AT or Near That post – Regular post space or Quote puts it at Discussion End, I think. In lengthy discussions Good info is sometimes missed when a helpful post goes back to an area people have visited and don’t return to.

      Use of — #2452809

      Size or pixel dimension limits on Attachments

       

       

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      • #2452876

        How to have the post 2452809 in blue ie how to add link to a post number? (Even if it’s in another topic?)

        How to reference another user ie PKCano’s post 2452842 referencing @b?

        How to customize name of link in blue ie Susan’s post above #2452871?

        Edit: just created this post, and upon submitting,  it is the first time I see it worked for me! I’m guessing adding the number sign in front of the typed post number triggers the blue?

        Edit2: just attempted reply in another post, referencing 2 posts in another topic, did not link & show blue?

    • #2452872

      Susan,

      As far as the Resolved button issue a simple instruction to edit the OP and add [RESOLVED] to the end should do the trick w/o security problems.

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

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      • #2452873

        I’ll put that in the instructions as well.  Currently the one voting thing I’m testing messes up the formatting too much and is too “cutesy”.  I’m going to try the ratings one next on the test site.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

      • #2453006

        The idea is that the word “Resolved” ultimately appears, as it used to until recently, flagging the title of a “resolved” thread in the “Recent posts: …” and similar lists.

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    • #2453001

      One question and one point:

      As b has pointed out: Anonymous can’t thank for a comment to express support, agreement. To me, that’s one limitation of being ghostlike: can walk through walls but not touch.
      In the same comment, b has also made a distinction between “Anonymous” and “Guest.” What is a “Guest”?

      On the “argumentative” issue: “the earth is flat” vs. “sorry, but it is not so” is not argumentative, ONCE: It is about setting the record straight. Second time, though … it depends on the tone of the exchange. But I don’t think that ignoring nonsense altogether is a healthy thing to do. As Susan has said, some people cannot be persuaded. All one can do is make one’s case for logic and rationality, and then, if the other side can’t accept that, forget about it. That’s not leaving the field defeated, or agreeing to disagree, or accepting that someone that states that “black is white” has a point: that is getting away from a recalcitrant fool.

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    • #2453003

      Anonymous can’t thank for a comment

      No, but they can post a thanks – as long as it contains more than just “thanks”.
      There have to be some perks for registering.  🙂

      cheers, Paul

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    • #2453108

      Step five

      When you are in the visual editor there are certain options in the menu bar. On the far left is an icon that is the “toolbar toggle”.

      I think it should say on the far right.

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      • #2453118

        Clearly I need Roberta.  Will fix.

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      • #2453394

        <span style=”color: #008000;”>Step five</span> When you are in the visual editor there are certain options in the menu bar. On the far left right is an icon that is the “toolbar toggle”.

        The set of instructions is very helpful – I wish I had had them at hand more than a year ago, when I joined — I learned then by trial and error by using the Testing Forum a lot.  Information about using the edit tabs is very helpful.  I had not known about the 2nd line until now!  [You will notice that I have practiced a couple of the edit tabs in the quote above!]

        Post edit:  Using the ‘color’ icon doesn’t produce in the actual post the same thing that I see under the Visual Tab.  Here is what I see under the Visual tab.  The font is green and there is no html code. visual-tab-green-font

        Here is what I see under the Text tab. The font is not green and there is html codetext-tab-green-font

        The actual post displays the html code for the green font, not the green font.  I expected to see the green font, and not the code for the font.

         

        • #2453465

          I also tried changing the color of a word in the quote from Susan and received the same result as you (I later edited the post removing the html code).

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          • #2453467

            Changing the color test

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

            • #2453469

              It looks like you were on the text tab not the visual tab?

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

            • #2453482

              Nope, I was in the Visual tab. See the post #2453468 with screenshots.

            • #2453483

              <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You may have special privileges.</span>

              I am in Visual where the above statement shows blue, not code.

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            • #2453484

              Changing the color test

              Can you give us a screenshot of this message under the Visual tab and a screenshot of this message under the Text tab? Clearly, it’s working for you. I see that others are having the same problem I am having, i.e., html code for the color font showing up in the post itself.

            • #2453807

              Susan, maybe you have special privileges that allow you to get the green font in your ‘Changing the color test’ post at#2453467?

          • #2453468

            OK. Here is a <span style=”color: #008000;”>word</span> I have typed. Let’s see if the post has green, bold font for ‘word’

            Here is how it looks under the Visual tab. ‘word’ is in green font. visual-tab-green-font-typed-word

            Here is how it looks under the Text tab. ‘word’ is surrounded by html code. text-tab-green-font-typed-word

            I expected the post to display like it does under the Visual tab. But, it displays like it does under the Text tab.

            • #2453474

              Using the visual tab, changing the color of <span style=”color: #ff6600;”>one <span style=”color: #000000;”>word by selecting the color before typing and now changing the color of <span style=”color: #ff00ff;”>one</span> word by typing , then selecting and changing color.</span></span>

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            • #2453475

              <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>Still using the visual tab, selected blue before typing.  The above post looked correct before posting.</span>

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            • #2453480

              <span style=”color: #3366ff;”>This is a test.</span>

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            • #2453587

              All the formatting options work fine if you only use “one” of them for any particular section of text, but the forum S/W definitively does not like it if you “combine” certain formatting options (i.e. color, bold and underline seem to be the main culprits.)

              This text should be <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>bold red</span> and this should be <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>bold underlined</span>!

              A workaround for this is to use the actual bbcode tags themselves

              [ color=red ] [ b ]some bold red text[ /b ][ /color ] and [ b ] [ u ]some bold underlined text[ /u ] [ /b ]

              (note I added spaces after the [ and before the ] in the above tags so they wouldn’t trigger the bbcode conversion process.

              This is what you get if you use the tags instead of the formatting tools.

              This text will be bold red and this will be bold underline!

              So it seems there’s a few bugs in how the forum S/W implements the formatting when chosen from the tools menu but it does understand and properly implement the actual bbcode tags themselves.

    • #2453131

      🙂

      A big thank you to Geekdom for the suggestion and Susan for all the work.  This will be a huge help for Askwoody forum users (myself included).

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    • #2453156

      Ref my earlier post incl’ing — Use of  #2452809 — I meant to say Discuss How to Use these #’s as I know you can Rt Clk them & open in a new tab BUT to use them as part of a Post, I’m not sure without trial & error testing (Visual Tab OK ? —  Text Tab requd ? … Copy seems to paste Just the # and Copy Link shows the entire Link Name. Do only if relevant to this “the Basics” intent

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      • #2453207

        So you want to link the posts?  Sorry not quite understanding.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

      • #2453247

        In the post you want to link:
        1. Right click on the post number in the upper right and choose “Copy link”

        In the post you are submitting:
        2. Type in the post number “#2453146” (or whatever it is)
        3. Highlight the typed in “#2453146”
        4, Click on the chain symbol in the menu, then the gear in the popup

        Screen-Shot-2022-06-14-at-6.18.00-AM

        5. Paste the Link you copied in step 1. in the URL box. The post number you typed/highlighted will be in the second box. If you want it to open in a separate window, check the box “Open link in a new tab”
        6. Click on “Add Link”

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    • #2453179

      Current work in progress is here:
      https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-use-the-forum/

      Thanks, Susan, for building this instruction sheet.

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    • #2453402

      What distinguishes a “pretty link” from a regular link – when looking at it?  Could you add a screenshot to illustrate?

      • #2453441

        Interesting question. I don’t know how to distinguish a pretty link either. I would think that pretty links, sometimes called Clean URLs, and shortened links are to be avoided in the forum.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_URL

        Addendum: Links are different from URLs, although they may be used interchangeably. “From a high (non-technical) level, a link refers to a clickable user interface that will take you to a specific location. The location is defined by a URL.”
        https://techstacker.com/whats-the-difference-between-links-and-urls/

        So, it was not correct to refer to pretty links as Clean URLs.

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        • #2453454

          This is a regular link:

          https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/june-updates-are-out/#post-2453445

          This is a ‘pretty’ link:

          June Windows Updates.

          They both go to the same place.  The ‘pretty’ link will open it in a new tab.

          Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
          We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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          • #2453463

            The ‘pretty’ link will open it in a new window.

            will always open it in a new window? or will open it in a new window, if the box is checked for ‘Open link in a new tab’?

            • #2453492

              will open it in a new window, if the box is checked for ‘Open link in a new tab’

              Yes, check the box.  I misspoke saying “window” in my reply; I’ve edited it to say “tab”.

              Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
              We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

    • #2453473

      Could “Test All the Hieroglyphs” topic be opened in the Testing Forum?

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      • #2453486

        Could “Test All the Hieroglyphs” topic be opened in the Testing Forum?

        Good idea. I wonder if the moderator could move all of these posts about the ‘color’ icon in the edit bar over to the Testing Forum and we’ll continue discussing the problem there??

    • #2453601

      <h1>Heading 1</h1>
      <h2>Heading 2</h2>
      <h4>Heading 3</h4>
      <h4>Heading 4</h4>
      <h5>Heading 5</h5>
      <h6>Heading 6</h6>

      Preformatted
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      • #2453607

        The headings were entered in Visual, showed correctly in Visual, but displayed as HTML on the webpage.

        Preformatted was entered in Visual, showed correctly in Visual, and displayed correctly on the webpage.

        Susan, do you (and moderators) have elevated privileges for WordPress — that is, are you able to use some edit entries that are unavailable to us?

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      • #2453617

        Heading 1

        Heading 2

        Heading 3

        Heading 4

        Heading 5
        Heading 6


        @geekdom
        , I copied your post and pasted it into Text, not Visual. This is the result.

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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        • #2453625

          Results are not consistent with the edit box. What you see in the edit box is not what you see on the website. Heading 1 should be huge and decreasing in size to Heading 6.

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    • #2453624

      @geekdom, this is below the postbox for my account.

      You can use BBCodes to format your content.

      • Your account can post unrestricted HTML content.

      Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
      We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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      • #2453636

        Here is my postbox information:

        You can use BBCodes to format your content.

         

        When I post:

        BBcode presents as expected.

        HTML code from hieroglyphs may or may not present as expected.

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      • #2453918

        There’s limited HTML access for those of us that don’t have “moderator” accounts (with  unrestricted HTML content posting). I’m not a moderator, nor do I have unrestricted content HTML posting. Shown below is my postbox.

        If you use the Text toggle, there will be buttons across the top of the postbox. Most of these generate HTML and they produce the desired effect. For example, “b” produces bold text.

        test

        wpcode

        These commands are not forgiving. You can botch your posts and possibly more if you’re not careful. Remember to close your tags.

        Some of these buttons will match the Visual hieroglyphs (and the corresponding hieroglyph will work).

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    • #2453790

      None of this is working for me. I switched to edge as PM does have problems sometimes. I get some posts disappeared and some like this REALLY annoying when one is troubleshooting!

      Capture

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    • #2453793

      And BTW the visual tab never appears in Pale Moon.

      And another BTW I remember the advisement to NOT ever use the ‘visual’ tab ???

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2453854
        On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
        offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
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        • #2453864

          When I follow this link, which has a ‘-2‘ in it, the topic title does not have a ‘-2‘ in it. Why?

          Is this another quirk – something like the ‘by’ quirk?

          Topic-title

          • #2453919

            wavy initially posted two topics with this same title. I suspect a moderator made some adjustments.

            On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
            offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
            offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
            online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1992 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox116.0b3 MicrosoftDefender
            • #2453926

              @wavy created two Topics with the same title. there were Replies only on one of them.
              The duplicate topic (same title), which had no Replies, was trashed.

            • #2454011

              That was an artifact of it seeming to be lost to the bit bucket perhaps. I o not specifically recall. My apologies for the dup.

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    • #2453808

      Step three: Create a post

      Let users know that if they want to see replies to their newly created post, they should click the ‘Subscribe’ button in the header at the top of the topic page (which will say ‘Unsubscribe’ after subscribing). To-subscribe-to-a-topic

      • #2453815

        That’s normally accomplished by checking Notify me of follow-up replies via email when posting, which obviates the need for a separate subscribe action.

        Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge

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        • #2453841

          Note I can put in a plug in that automatically subscribes you to a post when you post something.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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        • #2453850

          That’s normally accomplished by checking Notify me of follow-up replies via email when posting,

          I wish that this box were automatically checked all the time. I see here in this reply that the box is automatically checked, but there have been times when I have created a post (maybe starting a new topic?, maybe creating a new reply by clicking on ‘New Reply’ in the header?, maybe some other circumstance that I can’t bring to mind) when the box was not automatically checked and then I wondered why I was not getting any e-mail notifications of new posts/replies to the topic.
          Now that you have reminded me of the checkbox, I see that I have had to use the ‘Subscribe’ button in the header after the fact, i.e., after having submitted a post without the box having been checked, in order to get e-mail notifications of subsequent posts to the topic to which I posted.

          So, what are the difference(s) between checking the ‘Subscribe’ button in the topic-page header and checking the box for ‘notify me of follow-up replies via e-mail’?

          • #2453886

            So, what are the difference(s) between checking the ‘Subscribe’ button in the topic-page header and checking the box for ‘notify me of follow-up replies via e-mail’?

            I don’t think there’s any difference.

            Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge

          • #2454025

            Per rules of CANSPAM I can’t auto check. (sorry) You have to opt in each time.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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